good evening we're ready to begin this planning commission meeting is called to order this meeting is improperly noticed in posts in compliance with the Open Meeting Law these proceedings are being video recorded as well as presented live on KC L V cable channel - please no customers of CenturyLink and Cox communication can view this program in high definition on channel 1002 in standard definition on channel 2 you can also watch this meeting live on Apple TV Roku and amazon firetv on the Go Vegas app the Planning Commission meeting as well as the other KC LV programming can be viewed on the internet at WWE TV fort slash live the proceedings will be rebroadcast on KC L V in the web the Saturday of the meeting at 10:00 a.m. Monday at midnight and the following Tuesday at 6:00 p.m. but everyone please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Madame clerk would you please call the roll chair cherry president vice chair does Salvio Commissioner schlattman Commissioner Toussaint present Commissioner Chadda present Commissioner Williams president Commissioner rogen present thank you thank you I call your attention to the information printed in your agenda concerning our actions in the appeal and review process if appropriate there are agendas on both sides of the podium if you'd like to come grab one to follow along also the second page of the agenda contains our rules of conduct we appreciate you hearing to these rules so we can have a smooth meeting item number four all comments made under this item for specific action we cross reference to those items are there any members of the public who wish to speak under this portion of the public hearing seeing no and I will move on to item number five for a motion to approve the minutes of September 24th mr. chairman I'd like to make a motion to approve the Planning Commission meeting minutes from September 20 24 20 19 thank you there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post that motion carries moving onto the housekeeping items are there any items that Commissioner staff applicants or members of the public would like to pull forward for action mr. chairman we have some housekeeping items because the applicant is not agreed to the conditions item seven must be pulled from one motion one vote the applicant wishes to obey item 41 to the November 12th 2019 Planning Commission this is the first advance request for this item the applicant wishes to obey items 42 through 44 to the November 26 2019 Planning Commission this is the first abeyance request for these items the applicant requests the applicant wishes to obey item 46 to the December 10th 2019 Planning Commission this is the first abeyance request for this item thank you thank you does anyone wish to speak on any of these items seeing no one I will go to Vice Chair DeSalvo Thank You mr. chairman I'd like to make a motion to approve the housekeeping is read into the record by staff thank you there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post and that motion carries moving on to the one motion one vote the following are items that may be considered in one motion one vote they're considered routine non-public and public hearing items all public hearings and non public hearings will be opened at one time any person representing an application or remember the public or remember the Planning Commission not an agreement with the conditions and all standard conditions for the application recommended by staff should request to have that item removed from this part of the agenda item number 8 GPA 770 202 applicant SC Eastland Co LLC at all owner Eastland LLC for possible action request for a general plan amendment from PCD and SC to TN d west of skyPoint Drive approximately six hundred and thirty five feet south of Kyle Canyon Road Ward six staff recommends approval related item number nine zo and 77203 for possible action request for rezoning from you and SC to TD award six staff recommends approval item number ten GPA seven seven three six nine applicant new quick lane owner DAF LLC and Latin life trust for possible action request for a general plan amendment from SC to G C on the west side of Rancho Drive 215 215 feet north of red coach Avenue ward four staff recommends approval related item 11 V AC seven seven three seven zero four posture and request for a petition to vacate public drainage easement sward for staff recommends approval related item number 12 SDR 77037 one for possible action and request for a site develop and plan review for proposed 27 thousand six hundred eighty seven square-foot auto repair garage and auto parts facility with two auto auto dealer inventory storage buildings with a waiver to not provide a consistent level of detailing and finish on all sides of the building where such as required Ward force staff recommends approval related item TMP seven seven three seven two four pause action requests retained a map for one lock commercial subdivision Ward for staff recommends approval item number 14 su P seven six seven one five applicant owner 305 Las Vegas LLC for possible action request for a special use permit for a mixed-use development at the southwest corner of Charleston Boulevard and 4th Street Ward 3 staff recommends approval related item 15 V AC seven six seven three six four possible and request for a petition to vacate a public access easement east of the existing alley south of Charleston Ward three staff recommends approval related item number sixteen SDR seven six seven one six four pause wash and request for site development plan review for proposed eight-story mixed-use development consisting of 501 residential units and twenty thousand three hundred and thirteen square feet of commercial space with a waiver of 70% built to line requirement Ward three staff recommends approval item number 17 su P 77365 applicant owner nine hundred Fremont LLC for posish and request for special use permit for an open-air vending transient sale lot use at 916 Fremont Street Ward 3 staff recommends approval related item number eighteen SDR seven seven three six six four pause watchin request for a site development plan review for a proposed parking lot and commercial recreational amusement facility with waivers of the interim downtown Las Vegas development standards Ward 3 staff recommends approval item number 19 su p7 7300 applicant Peyman Grove owner ka P Holdings LLC for possible action request for a special use permit for proposed six thousand five hundred and seventy one square foot liquor establishment use with 1215 square feet of outdoor seating area with the waiver to allow a 330 foot distance separation from a church house of worship and a 1,150 feet from a similar use where 1500 feet is required at 83 80 West Sahara Avenue Suite 150 one staff recommends approval item number 20 su P seven seven three six three applicant Nick Lopez owner real Kane LLC for pasta watch and request for a special use permit for proposed 486 square foot tattoo parlor body piercing studio use at twenty two thirteen Paradise Road ward three staff recommends approval item number twenty-one su P 773 6-8 applicant hmb LLC owner 1301 commerce LLC for posish and request for a special use permit for proposed 2112 square-foot urban lounge use with 379 square feet of outdoor seating area at the southeast corner of Colorado Avenue and Commerce Street war3 staff recommends approval item number 22 s c.d.s 77381 applicant KB Homes Inc owner Howard Hughes Company LLC for posture request for a Summerlin may major deviation to allow at 3 foot to 8 foot or 18 foot garage door setback where 3 feet to 5 feet or 18 feet is required on lot 53 of a 137 lot single-family residential development on the southwest corner of Kindle corner way and carriage Hill Drive wore to staff recommends approval related item VA c77 374 for possible and request for a petition to vacate a public access easement war 2 staff recommends approval related item number 24 77375 possible action request for attended map for 137 lot single-family residential subdivision Ward to staff recommends approval and finally number 25 SDR 77388 applicant owner Triple M 3 holding limited partnership for possible action request for a site development plan review for proposed two-story 7170 for square foot commercial building with a 1295 square foot roof deck in a 422 square foot outdoor patio at 801 South Main Street staff recommends approval all right this was notice as a public hearing anyone like to be heard on these items please come up to the podium you need your name and address for the record and the items you're speaking on please hi Jeremiah older and the item I'm talking on is seven six seven one five and seven six seven one six can I get your address please two one one five South to me away I think um and the properties this is regarding is eleven thirteen South third Street through eleven twenty one South third Street which is the property adjacent to the properties in question so are you referring to items 14 through 16 yes okay and you're speaking on behalf of the properties next door yes okay at the current moment we have access to the back through alleyways and absent right accesses and as far as we can tell from the plans unless we have old plans that's taking our access away to the back we have trash cans and parking our water meters are in the back our hot water heaters are in the back and unless I may have an old plan but unless I had having one planned that's not giving us access to those through the access way it looks like it's given us through parking way but I don't know if there's any walls that are going to adhere that because there's parking spots where our access would be typically okay anything else you'd like to add no no okay thank you please come up yes I need your name and address for the record to please Marilyn Oller two one one five South third was that self Tenaya way and I'm concerned about we have there's a third place there's a street that enters from Charleston so when the Republic Services comes in they come in through the alleyway and they go over to third place they travel through they travel through third place to get not only their dumpsters about our dumpsters and from what I understand they're asking for third place to be taken away in order for their building I'm gonna I'm gonna pull these off the the one motion one vote and we'll hear it during the public hearing and I think we can get it resolved at that point okay okay thank you before we have a vote I will disclose items number 14 through 16 I do live within the notification area doesn't affect me any greater or lesser we'll be voting on it and item number 21 I do a company as a project happening within the notification area doesn't affect us any greater or lesser sure all right Thank You mr. chairman at this time I'm going to entertain a motion to approve items 8 through 13 and 17 to 25 pulling 7 and 14 through 16 thank you before we vote commissioners love and yes I miss chairman just a disclosure well I I'm gonna abstain on item 17 18 as I have a client that owns a property that I do a lot of work for and then on an item 21 the urban wild commerce I'm working on the great show improvements and working with the gentleman on this particular project so hope you abstain on those two of us thank you all right there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post and that motion carries and mr. chairman items 7 and 24 are final action this evening unless appealed to the City Clerk's office within seven days item 17 18 20 through 23 and 25 our final action this evening unless appealed to the City Clerk's office within 10 days and items 8 through 13 and item 19 will be heard at City Council on December 4th 2019 my apologies 7 is pulled off and I didn't have that note so item 24 will be the only one final action unless appealed within seven days thank you appreciate that we will move on to the public hearing portion we'll start with number 7 mr. chairman real quick if I might we had a error with the agenda and for the record I need to do a formal abeyance request on an item that was obeyed at a previous meeting was supposed to be on this agenda because it didn't appear on the agenda we need to formally Rhea bit since the meeting serves us notice of when it'll be heard next so variance is 7 7 1 7 9 this was held in abeyance at the September 24th 2019 meeting it was supposed to be heard today 1022 this item was not published on the agenda therefore it cannot be heard this evening and we would indicate that this item would be or we would request a vote to have this item obeyed or be next heard at your next meeting in two weeks okay so I guess there's no vote I'm just publicly noticing that that item will I'm looking at my City Attorney to tell me what to do but that the item will actually be heard on the November November 12th agenda I think that's correct Wade since it's not on the agenda there's nothing to vote on right this will serve as notice that we'll be at the next available meeting thank you and my apologies to the applicant on this error no problem there we go just one quick question mark bangin with KB home Robert had mentioned that 24 was final action which is perfect and then in the previous motion he had mentioned that I think it was 19 through 23 and then 25 was also final action but then he struck that so I just wanted to verify that 22 23 and 25 was also final action for tonight in 3 and mr. chairman yes so just to clarify it item 24 was final action seeming less appealed within 7 days 17 through 18 20 through 23 and 25 were final action this evening unless appealed within 10 days and then items 8 through 13 in item 19 will move on the City Council be heard on December 4th 2019 perfect thank you thank you okay moving on to the public hearing items I'm gonna start with I'm gonna bring forward item number 48 and then go to 7 and then 16 through 19 and then we'll pick up on the agenda as posted so item number 48 is txt 774 39 applicant owner city of Las Vegas for possible action request or appeal LVM see title 19.1 6.1 0 5 repurposing of certain golf courses or open spaces in its entirety and to provide for other related matters we get staff pork mr. chairman the proposed text amendment would amend Las Vegas Municipal Code title 19 by repealing section 19 point 16 point one zero five repurposing of certain golf golf courses or open spaces staff has no recommendation thank you thank you this was notice as a public hearing anyone from the public like to be heard in this item seeing no one will close the public hearing I'll turn it over to the Commission for discussion vice chair so I think mr. chairman at this time seem to public comment I'd like to just make a motion to approve item number 48 okay there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post and that motion carries and mr. chairman that item will move forward to City Council and ordinance formed with the Planning Commission's recommendation thank you and moving back to item number seven TMP seven seven three five zero applicant owner D and a real real Properties LLC for posture request retained a map for a one lot commercial subdivision at 400 South Decatur Boulevard Ward 1 staff recommends approval - we need the staff report please mr. chairman the proposed tentative map conforms to title 19 zoning and NRS technical requirements for tentative maps therefore staff recommends approval the subject tentative map with conditions thank you thank you can 8 your name and address record George Takei is 26:55 south rainbow boulevard Las Vegas and we are objecting to item number four on the planning side it's perpetual common access and parking across the entire subdivision this is a 20 acre development ten acres of it is mix use with senior housing with its own gated access and entry the adjacent 10 acres is a family development and this is a new canoe that was added from planning and from City Council approval we object to this we really don't want cross access on the properties we are allowing our maintenance staff to be able to cross back and forth but we really don't want children entering the senior development and vice versa and we we have enough parking for both both of these developments on one twenty acre parcel so we do object to this new condition okay thank you this was notice as a public hearing anyone from the public like to be heard in this item seeing no one I'll turn it over to the Commission for discussion Commissioner Roby mr. choucas is this the Nevada hands project that we seek I guess in Nevada hand project that is correct mr. chairman I do have to abstain from this matter as my mother-in-law does work for Nevada hand okay Thank You commissioner I will start go to public works and ask if there's any concern or issue there so I'm mr. John we repeated the concern on on the project yeah item number seven condition number four commercial that's not worse condition - it's a fine condition but okay it's technically a planning condition I made a mistake I thought it was planning yeah it was planning but I don't think it was a new condition I mean I think it was there was a new condition I mean it's typical on a one lot subdivision but this is really family development in the seniors development yeah which I guess technically the way they look at it this I understand but I mean I personally don't have an issue with the taking out the condition and striking it I guess is there anything that would go it within its place that would that's needed to be there or do we strike it completely mr. chairman if I might if we can just hold on until we can pull up the site plan I need to verify that there's nothing in the proposed site plan that would necessitate the perpetuation of that cross access that each site is independently parked and can receive fire access and everything else without access across all portions of the one that commercial sub which is usually the issue it's because it is a one light commercial sub if if the in the this condition generally is to ensure that parking it can be met in the entire commercial sub granted this is kind of a unique circumstance the way they're developing this site so if I can just have a few moments so that we can pull up the site plan and just verify that there's by removing this condition and no unintended consequence I will get back to you okay and again I am looking at the overall site plan and I do remember the projects coming forward and them having different access points right and I do remember the neighbors coming out and talking about positioning for the senior housing that's correct that's right the neighbors to the west yeah and so I again I don't have any heartburn with this and don't have a problem making a motion for approval once we get a little more clarification but I do recall it being circulated within each each section that's the term so in an effort not to hold up the meeting if we could trail this one and maybe hear from the members of the public on 14 and through 61 okay give me a few more minutes to try to look this up a little bit okay moving back to items number 14 through 16 they have been read into the record already if I could get your name and address please for the record good evening mr. chairman planning Commissioner my name is Tony Celeste address 1980 Festival Plaza Drive here on behalf of the applicant if I can just direct your attention to the overhead you can see I'll be real brief and then address the the one concern from the neighbors so just really quick overview a property is located along fourth Street in Charleston fourth is to the east Charleston to the north and then third we do about portions of 3rd Street along to the west so this is the property here we are requesting to repurpose this property as a mixed-use development be an eight-story product with commercial retail and residential units one of the things that we do have in places with respect to a a basically an easement that runs that kind of bisects our property through here I think that was what was important importance to the neighbor here one of the things that we are doing yes we are asking to vacate it but most importantly what this plan still shows is public access from 4th Street you can see through here back through 3rd so there is always gonna be maintained access through it more of what we believe housekeeping item consolidating these properties bringing one project in so you can see right here that right this portion exists still the alleyway we're doing improvements on our side of the property so there's still connectivity between 3rd Street and 4th Street via access through here and finally we can agree and will agree that we cannot block any trash enclosures with respect to their property along 3rd Street so that is it in a nutshell we appreciate staffs recommendation and are more than happy to answer any questions you may have thank you very much this was notice as a public hearing if you'd like to come up please come up I need your name and address of the record again if if you could just come up to the microphone I need your name and address the record look at that Jeremiah over to one one five South genera our plan is different than what his looks like is it possible for us to look at that for a minute before sure mr. Chairman I think I can clear this up we apparently this plan or this proposal went through a lot of different revisions through the process it appears that one of the older versions of the site plan is within the current plans so page number 14 is an incorrect it's one of the older versions of the plan that was proposed and needs to be removed okay but the current plan we do have and that is what the date stamp refers to and what mr. Celeste is referring to so we do have it's just a an error in the backup materials that one of the older versions didn't get deleted during all the revisions okay Jeremiah why did you catch that if you wanted to come back up then mr. chairman why he's coming back up I don't know if we have IOT in the house but my computer's frozen I can't well it keeps freezing and freezing I can't really access any of my documents so okay see if we can get someone up here thank you so so what staff was saying that what was in the backup previously was a an old site plan was it updated properly you're looking at the current site plan as proposed and so that will have access as shown on there and is there a way to verify in the future that we will have access through here and it never becomes you know this is private property we don't want you driving through yeah as the applicant stated on the record that they would agree to a condition to not block any access trash Oh our trash you said the trash on Third Street our trash isn't on thirteen it's in the back but if we could you could you speak into the microphone thank you if you're taking away third place are we always going to have access from fourth Street doing it easy yes you access will be me access from fourth Street will through two third street there as you could if you want me to show you the vacation here exhibit you can see right here this is the 20 20 feet or so that is the portion that we are seeking to vacate right here that is on are basically on our property all of our properties we're consolidating that that that 24 is a way mr. chairman sorry mr. Celeste the microphone send the way that's a very small map if we can get its KC LV there you can zoom in on that and if you can really point out it because I'm really trying to figure out what you are talking about here so thank you they can zoom in any further here is the this is the vacation exhibit in your backup there's a 20 foot wide easement through our Vega easement through here that we are seeking to vacate so that we can consolidate these two properties and build our project their access though you can see will still be maintained to be able to get to third Street we're actually doing improvement right here on this portion so it was right here and it looped in this way we're maintaining this access on 4th Street actually doing improvement you can see right here there's protected turn lanes going out and coming in and also there is access now on 4th Street to go directly to 3rd Street and that is actually in your staff report here you can see right here I've highlighted it essentially the the petition the purpose of the petition of the vacation is to vacate a public access easement located east of the existing public alley extending north to Charleston Boulevard the proposed development replaces this easement by providing public access through their site so that is the staffs own analysis of our vacation and then this is just the more clear you can see also in your back up the 20 feet that we're seeking along Charleston there that's still but through the public access get from third street or from fourth Street to third Street and then this is the portion right here that we're improving with the protected turn lanes protected moving turns in and out of the site okay I think I have clarity now I'm gonna close the public hearing and I turn it over to the Commission for discussion vice-chair Slaven commissioners yes if I may ask the I know we're kind of going out of order here but I just want to make sure they're there comments were addressed through all the chaos I hadn't going on up here okay did did that address your comments and your concerns if you could speak into one the mics please but we just didn't want to be cut off to the back of our building and if we're Public Service can't get through to the fourth Street then there there will be a problem because they'll just have to okay they'd have to back back out well thank you and that sounds like we I can agree to a condition that we will ensure that there is no blocking of the trash trash enclosures okay it's not only trash it's our powers back there are water or sewer everything thank you yes well we'll make sure that it sounds like you're still gonna have access to 100% that so I appreciate you coming out tonight thank you thanks for the planning staff should we craft an additional condition t-that feel that our conditions that we have conditions of approval or sufficient to to cover that topic okay we're gonna give him a moment other than that I think the projects a beautiful project and looking forward to bringing a lot more people down near the Arts District and we need rooftops downtown we need a lot more rooftops downtown so hopefully you can encourage them to get their fun in and build this as soon as possible I will pass that message on that everyone is excited but to get moving on it perfect I'm just filling dead air do you have any any clue as to what their when they would like to like to break ground this is a 12-month planning process and building permits you know I don't know what what the timing is with respect to their financing getting place obviously when they the general process I think is the Commission's aware of is when we're ready to get moving on this from basically the date of the final action letter it would take us probably eight months to twelve months before you would start seeing any any dirt moving because of the various permit various studies traffic studies and drainage studies things that the technical studies that would be required first before we would get you know get permits issued yes so well you said when you're ready to start it and probably take a year and get started right so let's hope that if you get approved tonight you'll be ready to start so in a year we can see see ground and earth moving as we seen this project ten years ago and I recall like seeing stuff here so let's start building and I believe actually it's the the same the same person involved from ten years ago mr. Lieberman think was the the original or you know through his entities but the the principle of it when it was ten twelve years ago so okay he still I don't think you're dead air but I appreciate all that you bet yes so go to staff now sure Thank You mr. chairman through you conditioner number two on the vacation reads grant of public access easement that replaces the access seaman requested to be vacated I conferred with Public Works that should be ample to secure the access to the rear of the property okay okay so mr. chairman on item number fourteen sgp seventy six seven one five moved to approve subject to staff's conditions thank you there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post and I motion carries all right and mr. chairman on item number 15 v AC 7-6 736 I moved to approve the subject to staff's conditions there's a motion on floor please cast your votes please posts and that motion carries and finally mr. chairman on item 16 STR seven six seven one six I've moved to approve subject to stab conditions as motion on the floor please cast your votes please posts hey that motion carries then mr. chairman those three items are final action this evening unless appeal to the City Clerk's office within ten days thank you I think we're ready to bring back item number seven TMP 77035 zero and so mr. chairman on item seven I've conferred with my team the reason that condition was originally put on there in the approved site plan it does show that there is an access between its pedestrian it looks like between the two developments as well as because of the parking variance there was deviations however those parking variation parking variances do identify specific deviations for each development separate and apart so with that staff has no objection to the removal of that condition thank you for the clarity we did have a public hearing and is with the Commission so I'd like to make a motion item number seven TMP seven seven three five zero motion for approval with the removal of condition number four please cast your votes please boast and that motion carries take your commission members thank you and final action I was just about to get to that so mr. chairman this item is final action this evening unless appeal to the City Clerk's office within seven days yeah I'm taking your sting away I'm sorry okay moving on to items number 26 through 35 abeyance var 77252 applicant great American capital owner jazz trust for posture and request for a variance to allow 11% open space where 20% is required on the north side of centennial Center Boulevard approximately one thousand seven hundred and ten feet west of Azure Drive Ward six staff recommends denial related item number twenty-seven abeyance SUV seven seven one eight eight four pause fashion request for a special use permit for proposed three thousand nine square foot beer wine cooler off sale establishment use Ward six staff recommends denial abeyance item su p seven seven one eight nine for posture request for a special use permit for proposed three thousand nine square-foot convenience store with fuel pumps use Ward six staff recommends denial gesundheit related item number twenty nine abeyance su P seven seven one nine zero four boss fashion request for a special use permit for proposed mini storage facility use Ward six staff recommends denial abeyance item su P seven seven one nine three four pause flash and request for a special use permit for proposed 5,000 square foot liquor establishment use Ward six staff recommends denial related item 31 abeyance su P seven seven three one five four possible and request for a special use permit for proposed 5,000 square-foot gaming establishment restricted license use Ward six staff recommends denial related item 32 abeyance su p77 194 4 pause fashion request for a special use permit for proposed 5000 10 square-foot liquor establishment use Ward 6 staff recommends denial related item number 33 abeyance su p 7 7 3 1 4 4 pause fashion request for a special use permit for proposed 5000 10 square-foot gaming establishment restricted license use Ward 6 staff recommends denial item number 34 abeyance SDR 7 7 191 for posture and request for site development plan review for proposed 33,000 470 square foot shopping center with a 1200 square foot outdoor seating area and a 445 unit 69 thousand square foot mini storage facility with waivers in the town center development standards manual Ward 6 staff recommends denial and finally item number 35 advanced EMP seven seven one nine two four pause fashion request for a tentative map for a one last commercial subdivision Ward six staff recommends denial go get the staff report please mr. chairman the applicant is proposing to construct a commercial shopping center that does not support the goals of town center nor meet the minimum development standards the applicant has proposed a shopping center that is over parked while requesting waivers of the minimum landscape buffer requirements and parking lot island requirements in addition to a variance request to allow less open space than what is required in addition the applicant is proposing a site plan that is vehicle centric and does not enhance or encourage pedestrian activity as desired by the town center development standards staff is not able to support self imposed hardships and an overall development that does not further the goals of the town center development standards manual and is recommending denial of all applications if approved condition number four of SDRs seven seven one nine shall be amended to a waiver from the town center development standards manual is hereby approved early yes hereby approved to allow 15% open space where 20% is required a revised site plan and landscape plan allowing a minimum of 15 percent open space must be submitted to and approved by the Department of Planning prior to the issuance of a building permit thank you thank you good evening mr. chairman planning commissioners my name is Tony Celeste address 1980 Festival Plaza Drive here on behalf of the applicant great American capital if I can just direct your attention to the overhead first let me just orient you at the area it is about five point eight six acres it is located generally to the south of the u.s. 95 off-ramp our North property line is generally the frontage road to the u.s. 95 or west property line is now OSA Blanca OSA Blanca is going to be a road that now is going to connect on the north side to the south side of the 95 and then on the south is centennial center Boulevard when you I think first look at this application the impression might be we're trying to put 10 pounds of potatoes in a five-pound bag but I think when you take a look at this there's really two two critical issues that kind of set this thing up on why staff is the direction they went when you actually look at the uses because this is planned for a commercial general or general commercial under the town center guidelines the convenience store the mini storage fast food restaurant other restaurants taverns those are all allowed uses under the commercial general so when you look at the uses themself staff is actually supportive of the uses but what it is there's two critical things in this application that we believe lend itself to some hardships on variances that we're seeking and because of that that then shift the the way staff was moving this application so those two hardships are those two things that in our eyes are one with respect to the open space and number two with respect to how the site's design regarding putting buildings on the frontage or the right of ways there and those I will go through each one of those and tell you why we think we have some unique circumstances both physically and physical constraints on the property as well as restrictions that apply to these properties so first with respect to the open space in town center you have a guideline that requires 20% of open space so here we have five point six acres that is identified that works out to about 1.2 acres of open space that were required to provide however when you take a look at this you can see along our northern property line right here is a public drainage easement that drainage easement is not allowed to be touched that drainage easement we cannot do landscaping we cannot provide open space on that that area is almost an acre it's about 0.8 acres so that is a large swath of land that we cannot use in addition to that OSA Blanca as I mentioned is going to be built out to its full capacity to connect to the north of the 90 us 95 as a result of that we are going to have to dedicate a right-hand turn pocket the length of this property here to our drive aisle that extra dedication is 7 feet so as you can see our property while 5.6 acres has substantially shrunk we have were down to about four point eight acres we've lost nearly an acre based on restrictions not being allowed to use the drainage easement and additional dedication nonetheless our open space is still based on the 20 percent of the overall five point eight six now with that being said we will submit a I do have a site plan and a landscape plan to show for illustration purposes tonight how we can get to that 15 percent and working with your staff and the Commission agree to that revision so that that's the first component that I think you know starts to set up the the applique and we feel valid justifications and hardships related to the property the second point is we are not building to the build two we are not building to the street frontage here's our site plan you can see we are set back from all the right of ways around us we're set back from that because there is a deed restriction on this property you can see this right here is for an exhibit pulled from the deed restriction it was a deed recorded in 1999 the property is highlighted in red here and you can see the yellow is basically our building footprint so we cannot exceed that building footprint so all of this area adjacent to the right-of-way is not usable under the deed restriction now of course this deed restriction is in conflict with the guidelines this deed restriction has meant as I mentioned was recorded in 1999 I believe the town center guidelines were adopted in 2001 so you can see our deed restriction did come before the guidelines so it wasn't something that was purposely done in fact when this area was originally being contemplated it was for car dealerships and the reason for the now the built the building envelope was to encourage or mandate cars the parked on the front and the building in the back obviously things have changed evolved we do have a lot of car dealerships but this portion of properties through here are now commercial and coming in for commercial development so that is one of the other reasons why we're coming in with that variance so that's why we cannot comply with that bill to line or so those are the two critical things in my mind that set up this application in hardships both physical and restrictions recorded on the property that put us in a position where we are confined now to a specific area on the property and we still have to get cert certain building square footages and uses on this overall site so like I said with respect to the uses you can see we're having proposing a convenience store with gas pumps that's one of our use permits we have a fast-food restaurant with the drive-thru located here with open space and dining area through here we are proposing to tavern uses one located on the north portion of the property and one located kind of in the central area additional use permits for Mini Storage and auto use as I mentioned we are agreeable with all the conditions of approval and more importantly in agreement with the amended condition number four that requires us to meet a minimum of 15% open space and that that is the the gross open space measured out at the five point eight six acres so that does include areas that we cannot use which for by way of example is the drainage easement so right here is the revision you can see what we're thinking we have not submitted this staff obviously we will need to get this to them prior to any issuance of a building permit but I wanted to show this to you for illustration purposes that we can provide a lot additional landscaping in the corner over here shift our parking field a little bit but maintain the location of our buildings more importantly maintain it in the building envelope were required to and still exceed our parking requirements so with that I greatly appreciate your consideration tonight and like I said can agree to all the conditions including the amended condition thank you very much this was notice as a public hearing and for the public like to be heard in these items seeing no one I will close the public hearing and turn it over to the Commission for discussion and I before you go by his chair just would like to say it would be nice if the new site plan is submitted for the record I know he showed it to us but just to have something good but please let's thank you mr. chairman yeah we worked worked for over a month on this one it started totally different in where it is right now we have all the islands that we needed to get what we needed to get 36 inch box trees you know Brett worked on this right up till yesterday actually and that drawing he had was a condition we sat through in the office there and said gotta find another spot we can have a good-sized chunk of landscaping and I see he added it so I definitely would like to have you submit it we're up to the 15% we got the trees that we wanted like I said we've been going at this for a while now so if there's no other comment I just entertain a motion for approval you've met everything we've asked okay commissioner I do have a question and I believe this would probably be either for you miss for City Council is I'm sorry I'm the city attorney is what controls when you have a deed restriction versus the Town Center design guidelines which which wins out the day that's a good question all you'd be concerned about though or the town center guidelines the city and guidelines the deed restrictions will be so that's something that could only be enforced privately just like any restrictive covenants in an HOA or or another type of deed restriction that restricts what you could do so we wouldn't really get involved in what those deed restrictions were and if commissioner rogue and I can add a little bit to it so it's it's my my position my take is that under the deed restriction unfortunately because it is it is a private agreement between two parties so the city does not get into those private agreements but that that private agreement does not allow us any flexibility to move that bill to line we have absolutely zero flexibility otherwise we would be in breach of that agreement with respect to the guidelines I do have the the ability to request you to allow flexibility with respect to those guidelines and my basis or justification for that is with respect to this agreement that was recorded on the property 20 years ago prior to the adoption of the guideline so that's why we think it is is justifiable and something for you to take into consideration when when looking at this and just for the record the way this is drawn right now is technically more harmonious and compatible to the surrounding businesses that are currently there so this fits front-loading it it doesn't I'd like to make a motion to approve items 26 there's a motion on floor please cast your votes please post that motion carries thank you I'd like to entertain a motion to approve item number 27 there's a motion on the floor votes please post and a motion to approve item number 28 and I believe this is the one with the amended condition number four and mr. Celeste you agree to that the amended condition as yes I do think mr. chairman that's actually attached to the SDR okay all right it's much not floor please cast your votes please post that motion carries like to make a motion to approve item number 29 some motion on the floor these cast your votes please posts without motion carries motion to approve item number 30 please cast your votes and a motion carries did we did it okay motion to approve item number 31 please cast your votes please post that motion carries motion to approve item number 32 please cast your votes for item number 32 please post and that motion carries motion to approve item number 33 please cast your votes item number 33 these post and that motion carries motion to approve item number 34 with the amended condition number 4 and mr. Celeste says agreed to it I agree to the amended Sedition he's cast your votes please posts and that motion carries a miss chair and wrap up this agenda item item number 35 motion to approval please thank you it's a motion on the floor please cast your votes we should do something please post and that motion carries mr. chairman items 26 through 34 our final action this evening unless appealed to the City Clerk's office within 10 days and him 35 is final action this evening less appealed to the City Clerk's office within seven days great thank you I appreciate Commissioner to salvia working with us mr. Lowenstein for helping us craft these conditions to get there and most importantly Nicole for going through various iterations of this with us and helping us theorists so we could get here tonight so thank you to every thanks mr. Celeste number 36 through 40 36 GPA 7 7 3 8 3 applicant our industries LLC owner Pacific land fund 1 LLC at all for possible action requests for a general plan amendment from PCD and SC to GC at the northwest corner of iron mountain road in sky village Road Ward 6 staff recommends denial related item number 37 zero and seven seven three eight four four pause fashion request for rezoning from you an SC to C to Ward 6 staff recommends denial related item number 38 su P 77385 applause fashion request for a special use permit for proposed 5525 square foot liquor establishment use Ward six staff recommends denial related item number 39 su P 77386 for fostering request for a special use permit for proposed 5,000 175 square foot beer wine cooler off sale establishment you just Ward six staff recommends denial related item number forty SDR seven seven three eight seven possible action request for a site development plan review for proposed 108 thousand five hundred eighty four square foot shopping center with waivers of the perimeter landscape of her standards and to not or in the buildings to the corner excuse me or the street frontage where such has acquired Ward six staff recommends denial to get the staff report please mr. chairman the applicant is requesting to rezone twelve point six three acres a J's to residentially zoned property to see to general commercial which would allow very intense uses such as automobile dealerships and major automotive repairs adjacent to future single-family homes within a master-planned community that this subject site is not part of in addition the proposed shopping center is over parked while requesting waivers of the minimum landscape buffer requirements and parking lot island requirements in addition to field pumps and parking spaces aligning with a street frontage and corner rather than buildings as required by title 19 staff is not able to support self-imposed hardships and a site plan that does not comply with the minimum development standards set forth by title 19 and is recommending denial of all applications thank you thank you very much can't your name and address to the record please John Sullivan nineteen eighty Festival Plaza Drive on behalf of the epitome just a brief orientation of the of the site eleven point six three acres on the northwest corner of Iron Mountain Road and Sky Village Road is the shopping center with all of sky canyon wrapped beneath and to the east of it and what's moving on towards Kyle Canyon specifically to the east this is the piece of property station because he knows his own for a while assumably for a casino eventually directly to our south as a is a Toll Brothers development and to the west and north is all undeveloped land I'm seeing they're not being able to pull in very close I do have a larger of the site plan if that will help anybody but I think everybody has it so for openers maybe to take a little you know gas off the fire we would be willing to amend both the general plan amendment and the zone change request to service commercial for the general plan amendment and see one for the commercial to service commercial there were some changes and some things they were looking for the property that that required the more intense use they've backed off of those and so I think that's a good starting point to what the concerns that staff had for the special use permits for the tavern which is located on the north part of the parcel the use is appropriate as referenced by staff the concern along with some others is that we don't back it up to the street in compliance with 1908 and it just it doesn't fit that well to turn a tavern and put the butt of the tavern you know against the wall so you obviously have the architectural concerns of having some some depth and movement in the parking lot versus 1908 pulling everything to the street so we have pulled some of the buildings to the street and backed off others and then with regard to the taverns similarly to back it up and move the TAT move the gas pumps into the shopping center it's not done very often I know it's it's part of the the 1908 for this as well but you'll see it all over town on those corner Lots where the gas pumps are out front for people so we'd like to keep those waivers in place with regard to the landscaping we went back and looked at staffs comments and have also met with with Toll Brothers whose to the south of this property and have agreed to have you know to the concerns they have with regard to landscaping to just remove any waivers with regard to landscaping which would bring within the island trees within the parking field itself up to the 101 17 that's required from the current 90 and the 10-foot landscape berms to be 15-foot landscape on both of the street frontages on this side the the intent is even to create a berm there and obviously that's not done it hasn't been submitted so would happily have any condition that that's being waived and that we get a landscape plan into the two staff for approval before moving forward anything okay thank you this was noticed as a public hearing anyone from the public like to be hurt in these items seen no one I will close the public hearing turned over to the Commission vice-chair - Savio he goes another essentially massage project started out way way out of line but they agreed to go down to a less intense use they agreed to bring back to 117 trees 36 inch box trees and do away with the amended number four number five I believe on item number 40 that will be amended you'll get a set of plans in ASAP that they're they're done I'm just waiting to get that the new plan that they sent still had c2 listed on it so just ask to make sure it said c1 or I would have brought it tonight okay after meeting pretty much the desired set of standards that we looked for up there we're good with it we're good with this project I'd like to if any other comments make a motion to approve it with all conditions director if I may through you mr. chairman mr. vice chair when you make your motion for the GPA and and subsequently on the rezoning can you including your motion for the reduced right to that designation so that that's clear for the record that yes so on the general plan amendment it's reduced they requested to a service commercial and in the zoning request its to c1 general are yeah c1 and then just for the record we don't need a condition but by Tuesday we need to have those revised plans in you know harder to continue on the City Council you will have okay mr. summer field where I got your other question I had is once it's approved here then it's going on to City Council and at that time if it's proved then they have two years to be because this conversation me and John had that this is gonna get approved and if it does it's gonna get done and it's gonna get done within the fashion cuz I already gave them straight up I'm not gonna give any extensions so the without precluding you know City Council's judgment should City Council concur with what I believe your motion is going to be the general plan and Zoning will become effective immediately after action by City Council the special use permits and the site development review those will have two years for them to effectuate those entitlements so to pull permits and to pull business licenses for those those uses yeah 38 39 and 40 so those will have a two-year limitation on them but the general plan and rezoning will be effective once council approves them and you're okay that yes all right with that said I'd like to make a motion to approve item number 36 with the reduced C 1 service commercial use so motion on floor please cast votes please post that motion carries like to make a motion to approve item number 37 with the amended that was on 38 39 and 40 37 is the c1 okay 37 with the reduction to c1 zoning and you agree yes thank you the motion on the floor please cast your votes please post that motion carries most to prove item number 38 with the condition that there will be no extensions and it's two years from the date motion on the floor please cast votes and mr. chairman if I might just to be clear that's an admonishment from from the Commissioner the condition is set at two years correct thank you please post expecting him to be around I expect that admonishment to be true so motion to approve item 39 with the same condition as a motion on the floor please cast your vote please post motion carries and last but not least item number 40 motion to approve at the same condition it's a motion on the floor please cast your vote and then mr. chair again threw used with the expectation that whenever size received revised landscaping site plans for the site development review by next Tuesday so that they can make the backup for City Council correct and with that those will move forward to City Council on and be heard as a part of their agenda on December 4th 2019 thank you and just in closing I just want to thank Commissioner Giselle vo and staff for working with us it was far away from what you wanted to start and figuring out what still worked commercially for the developer and what worked for the neighborhood was a great process and appreciate everybody's help getting us there he's a great steward of the neighborhood alright moving on to item number 45 var 77320 a plate evil pie owner Artemis W ham the third property trust agreement for possum and request for a variance to allow proposed 49 square foot projecting sign were 32 square feet is allowed a 7 foot projection from a building face where 6 feet is allowed and a and 6 feet above the eave where 1 foot is allowed at 5:08 Fremont Street or 3 staff recommends denial we get the staff board please mr. chairman no mr. chairman no evidence of a unique or extraordinary circumstance has been presented in that the applicant has created a self-imposed hardship by requesting a projecting sign that does not meet title 19 sign standards therefore staff recommends denial of the application please note that there are additional letters our protest since publication thank you thank you please good evening commissioners my name's Mike Weber and I represent the LAV group which is located at 8:05 Main Street at the ice house and if I may I have some pictures here I'd like to show you of their neighbors that are what I put it down here you turn it one more time counterclockwise the sign could you turn it one more time one more thank you yep this sign here is 4 foot by 12 foot the canopy alone in the building you can't even see evil pie if you're going toward Fremont Street so we went with a little extra square footage so basically you can see the sign and there's also another one right across the street and that's got to be a big square footage across the street that sign is probably 12 foot tall and so little evil pie has a assigned it's flush mounted to the wall and they're looking for a little bit of pizzazz because they open at 10:00 in the morning and start selling pizzas and Artemis ham is the property owner he's definitely signed off on it and we could have gone down to the 32 square feet according to staff but they wanted the extra square footage for the attraction panel that you see underneath so they could change and have st. Patrick's Day green beer or whatever you know if you're looking at it they've got probably though what I have here 2 to 6 happy hour that's probably the longest happy hour in the city overhead what's up could you put that on the overhead what you just flashed us a little evil by sign do want me to put this stuff yeah thank you and it's 90% neon which the city and you know they'd like to have you've got for neon motorcyclist jumping over three buses and an attraction panel and only looking for a little extra square footage okay thank you mister whoever this was noticed as a public hearing it from the public like to be heard in this seeing no one I will close the public hearing turn over at the Commission for discussion yes mr. chair through you I think of them the day this is it's not that bad of a sign if you take the arrow off I think it gets us a lot closer to that 32 square feet but I'm not I'm not saying take the arrow off I'm just making a point here you know the signs higher is higher than a parapet I heard then the building it doesn't block the vanguard and sign it it feels like it flows I mean a lot of the signs in this little Fremont East they're different they're unique it's it's kind of a cool thing you've seen all the unique signs down there I don't think this this is so big where it's a billboard and it's going to detract from everything else that's down there if there's didn't thing that is bad it's the I mean when you say I love the science in the middle of Fremont but they're playing bad because every time you go down Fremont you almost hit somebody with the big concrete case on puddings coming out in the ground so this isn't gonna cause any issues with pedestrians or anything else I like the sign I think I can get behind it and nobody else has any comments I'd like to make a motion please do all right so based on the testimony tonight and my thoughts on 45 var 77032 zero I would move to prove subject to staff's conditions thank you there's a motion on the floor please cast your votes please post and that motion carries thank you and mr. chairman that item is final action this evening unless appealed to the City Clerk's office within 10 days that's final action this evening unless appealed to the City Clerk's office within 10 days so unless somebody who didn't show up this evening objects to your approval you can get your permit started in ten days I wonder if the guy in the jump lands on the other side moving on to item number 47 STR 773 zero I will be abstaining with on this item I believe I see an applicant representative that I work with and have a pre development meeting so I will be abstaining on this this item turned over to Vice Chair item number 47 STR 773 3-0 site development plan review public hearing application owner domani Holdings LLC for possible action and request for a major amendment on a previously approved site development plan review STR seven three five zero four four proposed 4037 square-foot restaurant with a drive-through and waivers of a building orientation requirement and Landscaping buffer standards on 1.50 acres at the northwest corner Lake Meade Boulevard in Decatur Boulevard Ward 5 staff recommends denial staff report please mr. chairman the proposed text admit I'm sorry the proposed development is not consistent with title 19 as it requires two waivers though it is otherwise and conformance with title 19 requirements for commercial projects because the development chorus waivers without evidence a hardship staff recommends to know this request please note that their additional letters are protest and support since publication thank you thank you please state your name for the record vice chairman and commissioners Jorge Garcia 1055 Whitney Ranch Drive pleasure to be before you I want to make sure just in condition number 3 and the SDR there's a reference to a planned date stamped it's not the one that matches in the back up that I that was available so I just want to make sure I believe this is the plan that's they're dated 925 which has the perpendicular head in parking and the relocated trash enclosure I just want to make sure that the for the record this is the plan that stamp date stamped 925 just real quickly I appreciate working with the what the planning commissioners office from the Williams office basically to review this and discuss it and as you can see before you this is the proposed McDonald's there's also along with this on the three parcels a 7-eleven on the corner and what's interesting of course is that this property pretty much sat and largely vacant since its annexation and the in the mid 80s the piece that's all right on the hard corner basically that we're gonna replace if you go to the overhead and you can see it right on the corner here of Lake Mead and sorry of the northwest corner there's an old building there that was the only piece of this of the three parcels were developed and that lovely this lovely beast will be replaced with the 7-eleven and the and then McDonald's so the improvements that we're hoping to make here and will look like when we're done with the 7-eleven is already underway it's in civil Improvement Plan building permit plans this this is the architecture beautiful beautiful building with McDonald's is a this type building would see anywhere in the valley it's got wood what accents to it a gorgeous rendition I think hopefully you you would agree our request is that we'd be able to reduce the landscaping on the on the three sides from the 15 feet down to found to do 11 and 10 and then on the west side down to 5 from 8 and with him with that basically I think those are the key the key issues the site plan otherwise as presented is what we would request and I believe the Commissioner we've discussed in an additional condition that you may want to then at the to those that staff has suggested that mr. chairman completes our presentation thank you this is notices a public hearing anybody from the public wish to be heard on this item seeing none up close the public hearing and turn it over to Commission Commissioner Williams all right Thank You mr. vice chair as mr. Garcia stated we I did visit the site and we've had subsequent conversations and you know the only concern that I did have is anytime you have the type of egress from the lot adjacent to neighborhoods we want to make sure that we've got traffic controls in place or at least things that prevent cars from speeding or impeding upon neighborhoods in a heavy fashion so I would like to add an additional condition that we add a no left turn sign on the North egress lot onto Sawyer are you through you yes we're agreeable to that conditional condition mr. vice chairman if I might just for the clarity almost verbatim for what you said but the condition we would add would be no left turn in quotation marks signage shall be installed at the northern point egress ingress and egress and that would be graphic but that's and with that and we would agree to that clarification language so with those conditions mr. vice chair I'd like to make a motion to approve move item SDR seven seven three three zero he heard the motion please cast a vote and that motion approves commissioners thank you and mr. vice chair that item is final action this evening unless appeal to the City Clerk's office within 10 days moving on to final item number 49 citizens participation public comment during this portion the agenda must be limited to matters within the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission no subject may be acted upon by the Planning Commission list the subject is on the agenda and scheduled for action if you wish to be heard come to the podium give your name for the record the amount of discussion on any single subject as well as the amount of time any single speakers allowed may be limited they would like to come up during this portion of the agenda I will close the public hearing portion Cheyenne welcome to the City Clerk's office you want to have a speech Williams did you have anything okay mr. chairman commissioners lava yes if I may have for the planning department a question it seems like in town center we're constantly looking at buildings that are pulled all the way up to the street correct me if I'm wrong on what I'm looking at it seems like we're always looking for waivers on things such as that and you know I know that the town center plan evidently has been in place since 2001 and you know it's you know we're seeing more and more projects coming forward over the past eight years and just wondering if any of that needs to be revisited don't know where where it started where it is now but I do know that voting on Wadden these projects in the past and didn't know if any of that needed to be tweaked you don't have to adjust I mean you don't have to you know state one way or another so I wouldn't like to like to hear your thoughts on that and while you're talking that just real briefly could you let me know is it like convenient stations is it just in town center or it sounds like it's pretty much throughout the entire valley where we want those pulled up to the corner of a major intersection and that's not really the way that I think many of our gas stations throughout the entire valley or many cities are developed and it kind of creates this I don't know this awkward site where you have all the park all the cars parking on the back of course it shields the the pumps but then it kind of creates a area for stuff to happen that you can't see from the street can you comment on any of that and why we would while we're developing properties this way mr. chairman through you so in the town center unfortunately there's word I want to use but I won't that plan has been mangled over the course of its lifetime to no longer follow a lot of the principles and ideals that were incorporated into the original Town Center which is why you do have in some cases some disjointed development patterns in town center in some areas of town center the plan was followed very closely in other areas a lot of the commercial turned into residential and what was remaining in fact the site you saw today was originally planned as an auto dealership which I believe is why you saw the applicant talk about the existing covenant that's on the land because the expectation was that it would be a vehicle franchise location and the idea was not to impede the other vehicle franchises that are along the roadway it was never contemplated that we'd have the recession and we'd lose so many car dealerships and that they wouldn't come back and so that's why you kind of see that situation there so in town center you will see that as often happens particularly in plans that through a cultural shift like the recession and like some of the disruptive you know economy new economy situations you will see shifts in those plans so does town center need to be revisited absolutely and I think following our current master planning effort with all the public input we're receiving that will be a great opportunity for us to revisit that plan with regard to gas stations unfortunately those have been a problem since their inception poor planners because there's a convenience factor that people will often want but they also don't necessarily want at least in high-level conversations the aesthetic of gas pumps right on their street corners and they're almost invariably on street corners and that's where you have them the highest likelihood of people standing waiting not being exposed to gas fumes and other things that happen at gas stations so there is kind of that dichotomy in some places they actually work really hard to shield those gas pumps from the adjacent pedestrian ways in other places it's more expedient to just request waivers of the orientation requirements and and build the same thing that they build elsewhere so just one more comment before we go on I do like the idea of you know having if there's a convenience station or a fueling station in downtown I really like the idea of the building front and along Las Vegas Boulevard or Fremont or something along those lines so we're not looking at the gas pumps creating walkable communities and this other everything else and so I really do see that not as much in every situation throughout the rest of the valley those are just my my thoughts and one last comment and then I think Commissioner Andrew Savio is going to jump in there but we I mean for years we've been working on trying to figure out a way to get these our PDAs and backflow devices off of our sidewalks downtown and finally after you know talking with enough people here at the city and the water district it looks like we're finally can get together next week or maybe this week and start having real negotiations on how to get get this off of our sidewalks into buildings I know the Chairman's brought up in the past potentially putting a crane into a lot of the water district to get the or to remove the art PDA from inside the building we currently have a project where we're trying to put it in the back of the building off of an alley and you know the water districts not liking that because there's not a main going down the alley so we're having to look at putting on on the sidewalk so if any of anybody has comments like to hear it and I'd like to hear the Chairman's comments even if it's not tonight to share any kind of information that he has so I can bring that forward to the meetings that we have later this week thank you I just want to piggyback on mr. Sommerfeld New York coming yeah it's kind of a little messed up right now but it is a case-by-case basis a perfect example if you remember a couple of months ago we had a gas station situation in Ward 6 where people were down here going hey we don't want a people support it as long as the pumps don't back up to my backyard so we had to flip the script so it kind of really falls down to a case-by-case tonight we had no problem with the location is because it is the only thing out there currently right now that would get developed if it kicked off tomorrow kind of thing and it puts it on a major corner and I know there's gonna be a bunch of residential a backs up to that so I mean we kind of try to play it the best we can with what we got and like this is Sommerfeld said the conditions of how things were in Ward 6 it started kicking off in an economy tanked and we're left with a bunch of abandoned buildings that then got knocked down and got changed in a different stop specially along Centennial there so yeah it's unfortunate that we're probably gonna see that for a minute until we can kind of pin it down I don't think there's actually a perfect fix for the gas stations I think it's got to kind of be like the short-term rentals that either works or don't kind of thing case-by-case but we're doing the best we can with what we got yeah I would agree I have seen out on Town Center Drive where there's in Summerlin where it's build the gas station you can see the back of the building and actually made them step up their standards so it looks very finished and has more landscaping and it works there but in some scenarios it doesn't necessarily work and Commissioner Schwab in to your comment we actually developed a video which I can send to you that showed the water district how it could work with having it in different locations of the building and not having it stuck so it's out front because it is a difficult thing on their requirement heats up so much space and the height requirement needed for their crane that apparently don't have anything different so I know Mike Jensen has that video in the past I can resend it to him as well and he can I can share that with you but it's something I think they were amenable to for a project we were working on it just the conversation took too long we had to keep going forward so we actually had to have a smaller building and take square footage away from the building to make it work which is unfortunate for you know not just us but for future tenants that could have been better for downtown so I will definitely send that off to you yep did you have any comments all right with that we will adjourn the meeting thank you