>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION. THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT. OUR FIRST ITEM IS ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS RESULTING IN EXECUTIVEON SESSION. SPECIFICALLY PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT INTERIM MEMBER. >> Ricciardelli: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, DUE TO HOW THIS IS POSTED, WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING. I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION. THERE WE GO. I SAW THE HEADS GOING BACK AND FORTH THERE. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM TO OUR DECEMBER 6th MEETING. >> Grady: SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES 8-0. OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF COLLABORATIVE ARTS IN PLANO. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS, AND MAYOR MUNS, ON BEHALF OF THE COLLABORATIVE ARTS OF PLANO OR CAP FOR SHORT, AND OUR ARTS PLAN OF PLANO STEERING COMMITTEE, WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FIRST, AND THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANY QUESTIONS AND DIRECTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US AFTERWARDS. I AM BOBBY BAGGETT, IT'S BEEN MY PLEASURE TO SERVE AS CHAIR OF OUR ARTS STEERING COMMITTEE. SARAH AKERS, WHO IS PRESENT OF CAP, WAS SCHEDULED TO BE MY COPRESENTER TONIGHT, BUT SHE'S A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER, SO IN HER PLACE, I WOULD LIKE TO IRODUCE MS. RONIKA. I PRACTICED THAT TEN TIMES. SHE'S FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE GARAGE ARTS PROJECT, AND SHE'S GRACIOUSLY VOLUNTEERED TO HELP WITH OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. SHE ALSO SERVES ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE -- OF CAP AND THE GARAGE ARTS PROJECT IS ONE OF OVER 24 PLANO NONPROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING AS MEMBERS OF CAP. SO WITH THAT, I'LL KICK IT OVER TO YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. FROM A FARMING COMMUNITY, PLANO HAS MATURED INTO A DIVERSE, VIBRANT ECONOMIC CENTER IN NORTH TEXAS. OUR CIVIC BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS HAVE CREATED A CITY WITH HIGH QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE, SCHOOLS AND SERVICES. A CITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE HAS MANY DIMENSIONS, SAFETY, LEISURE, AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, ARE ALL IMPORTANT, BUT PERHAPS NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT TO A CITY'S IDENTITY SENSE OF PLACE AND COMMUNITY THAN THE CITY'S ARTS AND CULTURE. ARTS AND CULTURE ARE CRITICAL TO PERSONAL EXPRESSION AND UNDERSTANDING THE CELEBRATION OF HERITAGE AND ASPIRATIONS AS A COMMUNITY. IN TODAY'S 21ST CENTURY, PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES HAVE OPTIONS OF WHERE THEY LIVE AND WORK. A CITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE IS CENTRAL TO ATTRACTING AND RETAINING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. CITIES ARE NOT KNOWN JUST FOR THEIR ARTS AND CULTURE ASSETS BUT FOR THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN DIVERSE, ARTISTIC AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES. TODAY PLANO IS A MINORITY MAJORITY CITY. OUR DIVERSITY GIVES US STRENGTH AND NEEDS TO BE DEFLECTED MORE IN OUR CULTURAL ARTS INSTITUTIONS AND ACTIVITIES, A THOUGHTFUL AND COMPREHENSIVE CULTURAL ARTS PLAN WILL PROVIDE A ROAD MAP FOR PLANO LEADERS AND RESIDENTS ON WAYS TO PROVIDE CULTURAL ARTS OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL PLANO RESIDENTS AND CULTURE TOURISM. THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO ARTS PLAN WILL ENCOURAGE PLANO BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO ENGAGE IN PLANO CULTURAL ARTS ACTIVITIES, THEREBY PROVIDING FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND GIVES OF SERVICE TO OUR ARTS COMMUNITY. THE IMPORTANCE OF ARTS AND CULTURE MUST HAVE HIGHER PROVIDE, ONE PURPOSE IS TO TELL PLANO'S STORY MORE EFFECTIVELY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS. THE DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT PROJECTS IN THE LAST DECADE ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE. THE PLAN WILL HELP IDENTIFY NEEDS AND PRIORITIES FOR THE FUTURE AND BUILD PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SUPPORT AND MIGHT INCLUDE URBAN DESIGN, REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, PUBLIC ART AND COMMUNITY CELEBRATIONS AND FESTIVALS. >> ENGAGEMENT AND ACCESS, IT IS SAID THAT ART IS FOR EVERYONE AND EVERYONE IS AN ARTIST. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ART IS EVERYWHERE. WE SEE THAT THE TERMS ENGAGEMENT AND ACCESS ARE KEY ASPECTS OF A SUCCESSFUL ARTS AND CULTURE PLAN. WE ENVISION A PLAN THAT WILL CREATE NEW PATHWAYS TO PARTICIPATE IN ARTS AND CUURE EVENTS, THE PLANNING PROCESS WILL DEFINE NEW WAYS TO ATTRACT NEW ARTISTS, NEW ARTS GROUPS, AND NEW AUDIENCES, AND TO THE PLANO ARTS AND CULTURE SCENE, AND TO BE AN ORGANIZED RESOURCE FOR THE SMALLER ARTISTS AND START-UP GROUPS AS WELL AS LARGER MORE WELL-ESTABLISHED ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. WE SEE THIS PLAN SHOULD INCLUDE A CITYWIDE PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING, PLANO IS A BIG CITY AND ARTS AND CULTURE SHOULD BE CELEBRATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY THROUGH PROGRAMS FOR AND BY YOUTH AND ADULTS. THE DEVELOPMENT OF MORE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC EVENTS AND MORE FACILITIES ACROSS THE SOME 70 SQUARE MILES OF PLANO, RANGING FROM PERFORMANCE AND REHEARSAL SPACE TO GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS TO OFFICE SPACE. WE ALSO SEE VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT FOR THE PLAN IS ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT MEANS THE PLAN SHOULD HAVE DEFINABLE AND MEASURABLE RESULTS. THE PLAN SHOULD STATE OBJECTIVES AND PRIORITIES THAT ARE CLEAR, INCLUDING ACTION ITEMS WITH ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITIES, MOTORED AND THE PLAN MUST ROUTINELY BE UPDATED TO REMAIN RELEVANT. THIS SHOULD BE AND ONGOING CHARGE OF CAP IN ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF PLANO. WHY NOW? SOME MAY ASK WHY NOW. THE BETTER QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE LATE? MOST EVERY OTHER MAJOR CITY IN COLLIN AND DALLAS COUNTY HAS AN ACTIVE ARTS AND CULTURE PLAN. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE A FRACTION OF PLANO'S POPULATION AND SIZE TT HAVE INVESD IN AND IMPLEMENTED SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE AND COMPREHENSIVE CITY-CENTRIC ARTS AND CULTURE PLANS, SO WE MAY BE A LITTLE LATE, WE ARE NOW ORGANIZED, WE'RE UNIFIED, ENERGIZE AND WE'RE READY TO WORK. OUR PROPOSAL BEGAN AS A BOTTOM-UP EFFORT OF ARTISTS, ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS, SO WE BELIEVE NOW IS THE IDEAL TIME TO REFRESH OUR PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE PLAN WILL BE BROAD IN SCOPE AND BOLD IN VISION, WITH NEAR AND LONG-TERM GOALS. CAP IS COMMITTED TO INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT. THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY NOT REALIZE JUST HOW DIVERSIFIED OUR CITIZENS AND ARTS GROUPS ARE. DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT ARE CORE VALUES OF THE ARTS COMMUNITY. THIS DIVERSITY IS OF OUR CITIZENS AND ARTS GROUPS IN TERMS OF HERITAGE, NATIONALITY AND RACE BUT ALSO IN THE DIVERSIFICATION OF TALENTS, ART FORMS AND OUTREACH. THE ARTS PLAN, STEERING COMMITTEE AND CAP MEMBERS WILL PROVIDE MOST OF THE TIME AND TALENT AND MONEY NEEDED TO PREPARE THE PLAN, OUR COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN IS THE SAME. CAP AND THE ARTS PLAN COMMITTEE IS SEEKING A CITY PARTNERSHIP, NOT A GRANT. THE CITY IS A NEEDED PARTNER TO PREPARE A SUCCESSFUL PLAN. THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP AND PARTICIPATION IS ESSENTIAL. CAP HAS MOST OF THE REQUIRED RESOURCES TO PREPAHE PLAN AND HAS RAISED PLEDGES OF OVER $25,000 FROM ITS MEMBER ORGANIZATIONS FOR PROJECT COSTS, AND WE CAN RAISE MORE IF NEEDED. IN ECONOMIC TIMES LIKE THESE WHERE STAFFING AND RESOURCES CAN BE A CHALLENGE, THIS PROPOSAL IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND ARTS GROUPS TO WORK TOGETHER AND LEVERAGE ON ONE ANOTHER'S TIME, KNOWLEDGE AND ORGANIZATIONAL RESOURCES. WE ASK THAT THE CITY SECURE AND PROVIDE AT ITS DIRECTION PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES TO HELP WITH DEFINING FACILITY NEEDS AND PRIORITIES AND UPDATING PLANO'S LAST ARTS AND CULTURE PLAN. THAT 2015 PLAN HAS PROVED TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT WAS FOCUSED ON THE DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT. THE WORK -- THAT WORK NEEDS TO BE UPDATE AND BROADENED TO INCLUDE CHANGES IN PLANO'S DEMOGRAPHIC FACILITIES, GAPS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE OFFERINGS. THIS WORK DOVETAILS WITH THE REVIEW OF EXISTING FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS. SO IN SUMMARY, I THINK THE MAIN POINTS OF OUR REQUEST ARE, ONE, THE CITY TO CHARG CAP , IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY. TWO, APPOINTING CITY STAFF AND STAFF LIAISONS, AND 3, INCURRING A CONSULT TO ASSIST ON FACILITIES ASSESSMENT. THIS SHOULD BE A COST EFFECTIVE PROCESS, AS THE úCITY S IN THE PAST THAT ARE WELL QUALIFIED TO UPDATE PREVIOUS STUDIES. ON OUR LAST SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A DIRECTIVE HERE TO OUR TEMPORARY WEBSITE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND I YOU WOULD LIKE TO PREVIEW THAT, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO DO SO, AND THERE'S A TEMPORARY PASS WORD THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU WOULD CARE TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL WE HAVE. WE'RE CERTAINLY READY AND LOVE MORE DISCUSSION AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. IN THE MEANTIME, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT WE DID GET FROM SEVERAL OF YOU IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU THANK YOU, GUYS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CAP FOLKS? COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: NOT REALLY A QUESTION, JUST A COMMENT. THE CAP GROUP PUT ON A 20th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION FOR THE COURTYARD RECENTLY, AND IT WAS EYE OPENING TO SEE -- Y'ALL CAN'T HEAR ME? -- TO SEE HOW WELL Y'ALL ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW AS AN ORGANIZATION. I THINK WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF COLLIN CREEK MALL AND WILLOW BEND MALL AND ASSEMBLY PARK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AND THE ARTS AREN'T SOMETHING WE GET TO THE END OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING IN HINDSIGHT KIND OF OVERLOOKED. SO I THINK IT IS A GOOD TIME TO ENGAGE WITH ALL OF YOU. I THINK THE CITY PROBABLY NEEDS TO TAKE A LEAD ON THAT AS WELL AND BE RESPONSIBLE, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, BUT I KNOW ANTHONY AND I ARE LIAISONS FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, DO DEFINITELY ADVOCATE FOR THE ARTS. I WAS PROUD TO SERVE ON THE THEATER BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND ON THE DOWNTOWN PLANO, PLANO ASSOCIATION BOARD, AND ALL THE MURALS DOWNTOWN, AND THE PROGRESS THAT WE MADE WAS FANTASTIC, SO DEFINITELY AN ADVOCATE, WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD AS YOU MENTIONED SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, I KNOW THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE IN THEIR I GUESS PLANNING CONSTRUCTION GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ART INTO THEIR PLANS JUST LIKE WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOT OF GREEN SPACE IN OURS, SO SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. >> YOU BET, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER -- >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, I WANT TO ECHO MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER JUST MADE, AS SHE MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS THE LIAISONS TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION CURRENTLY FOR THE CITY, AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. WE BOTH DO. I'M SURE WE ALL DO. WE HAVE PLANS IN OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR LAND USE, A PARKS MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARKS, A CONSOLIDATED PLAN TO GUIDE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, SO HAVING AN ARTS MASTER PLAN WOULD -- WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. I THINK ALL OF THESE PLANS HAVE VALUE IN THAT THEY ALIGN THE DECISION MADE LAST YEAR, WITH THE DECISION MADE NEXT YEAR, WITH THE DECISION MADE TEN YEARS FROM NOW SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY KEEP GROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND MAKE GREAT PROGRESS, WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE AND THERE ARE OFTEN GOOD REASONS TO MODIFY PLANS AS WE GO ALONG. BUT I THINK THAT THE ONE POINT COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER ALSO MADE IS SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE A CITY PLAN, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CITY PROCESS. YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO CIRCUMVENT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPOINTED AND THE CITY STAFF AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK HAVING IT BE UNDER THE CITY'S UMBRELLA WILL MAKE ALL PLANO RESIDENTS FEEL WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE NOT THAT COLLABORATIVE ARTS OF PLANO WOULDN'T DO THAT, I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD, BUT I THINK THAT WAY IT'S AN OFFICIAL CITY PROCESS LEADING TO AN OFFICIAL CITY PLAN, EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE A SEAT AT E TABLE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THAT PROCESS, I THINK COLLABORATIVE ARTS OF PLANO WOULD BE A KEY STAKEHOLDER AND PROVIDE A LOT OF INPUT, EVEN SUGGEST PLAN LANGUAGE THAT COULD THEN BE VET AND REVIEWED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT ANYWAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GET GOING WITH CRAFTING A PLAN LIKE THIS, THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. >> IF I MAY CLARIFY. WE -- WE REALLY NEED THE CITY TO NOT ONLY ENDORSE THIS BUT TO WORK WITH US, 'VE LKEDO SEVERAL COMMISSION MEMBERS ON THE ARTS COMMISSION AND REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM BE PART OF THE PROCESS, AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS. WE HAVE A PRETTY SHORT DEADLINE OF -- BY THE END OF THE YEAR, I LIKE SHORT DEADLINES, IT GIVES US SOMETHING TO SHOOT FOR, AND TO DELIVER ON, BUT WE NEED TO PULL THAT OFF, WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY WORK AS A TEAM. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> Grady: THANK YOU, AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I'M TRYING TO DEFINE THE ASK. WHAT I HAVE IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP A PLAN. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS COMMISSION. I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD BE. THAT WOULD BE THE STARTING POINT. I THINK THE OTHER ASK IS TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP A PLAN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION AND THE CITY, AND THE THIRD ONE IS A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT. I THINK THERE'S A FOURTH ONE IN THERE, AND THAT IS MONETARY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SO A COUPLE CLARIFYING POINTS. NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE THINKING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO CONTRIBUTE? AND TWO, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A SHORT DEADLINE OF THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN I'M READING IN THE DOCUMENT HERE SAYS DECEMBER 31, 2023, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN A YEAR, SO I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY IS IT DECEMBER 31, 202 OR 2023 -- >> IT'S 2023, I'M GIVING US AN EXTRA MONTH. [ LAUGHTER ] I'M JUST ROUNDING UP. >> Grady: I THOUGHT THE HOLIDAYS WERE GOING BY THE WAYSIDE AND WE WERE DEVELOPING -- I'M SORRY. [ LAUGHTER ] >> SO -- YEAH, SO, I THINK TREE AND FOUR, AS YOU PUT IT, REALLY GO HAND IN HAND. OUR INITIAL KIND OF GENERAL BUDGET HAS BEEN ABOUT 75,000. WE THOUGHT, OKAY, WE'LL PUT IN THE FIRST 25, IF YOU CAN COMMIT 50,000 OUT OF SOME, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND BUDGET, TO COMMISSION THE WORK, THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WE'LLNOW AS WE GET INTO IT, AND AS WE GET REAL BIDS AND SEE WHAT THE COSTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT BUDGET NEEDS TO BE. REST ASSURED THAT WE'RE JUST CONFIDENT THAT WHATEVER WE NEED WE CAN RAISE. WE REALLY KIND OF CAPPED IT AT 25, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT E -- WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE COMPETING FOR ANY ARTS FUNDS FOR ANY ALLOCATION FROM THE VERY GROUPS THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT FRUGAL. >> Grady: OKAY. SO I TOTAL UNDERSTAND, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUDGET IS ABOUT 75,000, THE CITY HAS A $50,000 CONTRIBUTION. HAVE YOU A $25,000 CONTRIBUTION. BUT WE DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THE NORTH SIDE OF IT WILL BE. >> YEAH. >> Grady: BECAUSE IT COULD BE HIGHER. >> YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE A NORTH SIDE DEVELOPED YET. >> Grady: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> BUT WE -- YOU KNOW, IF IT'S -- NORTH SIDE WE THINK IT MIGHT BE 100,000, BUT -- >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM? >> SO IS THAT MONEY WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO USE FOR CONSULTANT, THOSE DOLLARS, THE $75,000, IS THAT GOING TO GO TOWARD A CONSULTANT TO HELP YOU PUT TOGETHER A PLAN? >> YES, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT -- AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY MAINTAINING OWNERSHIP AND RESPECTING THEIR AUTHORITY TO WHERE YOU WOULD HIRE THE PROFESSIONAL OUTSIDE CONSULTING FIRM TO COME IN. AGAIN, I THINK IT WILL BE AN OFFICIAL PROCESS, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS DONE THAT WITH SEVERAL OTHER PROFESSIONALS BEFORE, AND I THINK SEVERAL OF THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE GOOD CANDATEO USE AGAIN, AND THEY COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFRESH THEIR PREVIOUS STUDY -- >> Prince: SO IT WOULD BE -- >> IT WOULD BE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON FACILITIES. >> Prince: SO JUST TO CLARIFY. YOU WANT $50,000 FROM US PLUS YOU WANT US TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, OR YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK $50,000 IS GOING TO COVER THE COST OF THE CONSULTANT. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S NEAR ENOUGH MONEY FROM THE PRICES I'VE SEEN. >> OKAY. >> Prince: FOR CONSULTANTS. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK JUST FROM SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS WE'VE HIRED FOR OTHER THINGS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WAY MORE THAN THAT. >> OKAY. >> Prince: DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR SCOPE OF WORK IS, WHICH IS SOMETHING I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY DEFINE A LOT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN A TIME LINE. >> EXACTLY. >> Prince: I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO THIS, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE -- I HAD SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THEY HAD ABOUT CIRCUMVENTING THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS COMMISSION, MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT DOING DUPLICATIVE WORK, THAT WE HAVE A REAL END GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND CITY MANAGER, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY INTO THIS, I WOULD WANT SOME MORE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, BUT I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO THE IDEA AND SEEING WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS ON HOW WE WOULD WORK TOGETHER, WE JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE READY AND ABLE. >> Mayor Muns: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Bao: YES, I WANT TO -- NOT LAUGHING AT YOU BECAUSE I WAS LIKE RAISING MY HAND, TRYING TO GET ATTENTION, SINCE MY MOUTH IS COVERED, SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T YELL. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS PROBABLY SHOULD GO TOWARD OUR CULTURAL ART COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT MULTI-CULTURAL ROUND TABLE SHOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS THAT -- THAT PLANO HAS IN FOCUSING ON OUR DIVERSITY AND OUR HERITAGE THAT INCLUDES ART, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HERITAGE AND ART GOES HAND IN HAND, BUT WE DO HAVE A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN -- IN OUR HERITAGE AND OUR DIVERSITY. SO I THINK THAT THE -- THE PROPER PROCEDURE PROBABLY IS TO SEE WHAT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE WILLING TO RECOMMEND, AND THEN BRING IT JOINTLY TO THE COUNCIL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR APPROVAL OR FOR A NOD OR FOR WHATEVER IT IS. I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERS WHO HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. T>> Smiths: THANK YOU, MAYMAY. I THINK WE REALIZE THE ARTS HAVE BEEN A GREAT ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM. COUNCILMAN GRADY HAD YOU VERIFY THAT IT'S DECEMBER 21, 2023, NOT 2022. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, I HONESTLY WOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING FINANCIALLY HAPPENING FROM THE CITY UNTIL OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DOWN WITH THE 22-23 BUDGET, SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTIONWISE UNTIL WE GET BACK IN THAT PROCESS, BUT THE COMMISSIONERS THAT COUNCILMEMBER TU IS MENTIONING VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, VERY MUCH CARE ABOUT THE ARTS, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE A GOOD RESOURCE TO GET THIS PROCESS STARTED TO HELP US DETERMINE WHAT IS A REAL BUDGET THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER SO WE CAN WORK THAT INTO OUR PLANNING AS OUR STAFF GINS TO START FORMULATING NEXT YEAR, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT NEXT YEAR'S PLANNING IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING PRETTY SOON. ANYWAY, I COMMEND YOU ON WHAT YOU GUYS DO, AND LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, LET'S GET OUR COMMISSIONS INVOLVED AND GET SOME I GUESS BETTER IDEAS IN PLACE AS WE CAN START FINALIZING THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF IT. >> WE'RE READY AND AVAILABLE, DROP OF A HAT, TO TALK WITH ANYONE, AND ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> Mayor Muns: GREAT, THANKS. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT. I THINK TO PUT SOME LIKE ORDERED STEPS TO SOME OF THE GREAT POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AROUND THE DAIS BY EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE STEP ONE WOULD BE TO DEFINE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IN EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT THE PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN DIRECTING, WHAT IS IT GUIDING IN TERMS OF FACILITIES THAT THE CITY MIGHT -- MIGHT OWN OR CONSTRUCT, HOW THE CITY CAN PARTICIPATE IN ENCOURAGING THE ARTS SCENE IN PLANO, AND THEN STEP 2 WOULD BE TO GET AN ESTIMATE FOR A CONSULTANT ON THE FACILITIES PIECE OF IT, MAYBE EVEN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RFQ, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT MECHANISM WOULD BE, SO THAT WE CAN THEN CONSIDER THAT NUMBER DURING THE 23-24 BUDGET CYCLE, WHICH AS COUNCILMEMBER SMITH ALLUDED TO IS, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR THAT I THINK WILL START IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO IF I HASN'T ALREADY. GOING TO GET TO WORK ON IT LATER TONIGHT, BASED ON THAT LOOK RIGHT THERE. ANYWAY, THEN PROBABLY, AN APPROPATION IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE, VIA HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, AND THEN THAT WOULD THEN KICK OFF A PROCESS, YOU KNOW, LED BY THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION IN WHICH COLLABORATIVE ARTS OF PLANO WOULD BE A KEY STAKEHOLDER AND PROVIDE INPUT, ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO PROVIDE INPUT WOULD PROVIDE INPUT AND THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY, WITH CITY STAFF PARTICIPATION AT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, LEAD TO THE CREATION OF A PLAN THAT WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WHAT EVERYONE WAS ENVISIONING? >> I WANT TO D THAT BEFORE WE START CRUNCHING NUMBERS, THAT FIRST WE GO TO THE ART COMMISSION, AND HAVE THEM REVIEW AND EVALUATE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION, THEN HAVE THEM INCLUDED IN THEIR BUDGET AND THEN BRING FORTH FOR CONSIDERATION, NOT AS A SEPARATE ENTITY, I JUST WANT TO -- >> Ricciardelli: I LIKE THAT MODIFICATION OF GETTING THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION INVOLVED IN DEFINING THE SCOPE OF THIS. >> AND MULTI-COURT ROUNDTABLE TABLE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT. I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH PURSUING A THOUGHTFL PLAN FOR THIS, MUCH AS WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION SHOULD BE INVOLVED, BUT THIS HAS MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING SAID BY DR. JORDAN PETERSON IN ONE OF HIS LECTURES, HE WAS COMPARING ART AND ARCHITECTURE, HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO IN EUROPE TO MODERN US AND CANADIAN ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S NO COMPARISON, HE WAS SAYING THAT THE CARE AND CREATIVITY THAT WENT INTO THARTSD ART, HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, HAVE RESULTED IN INCALCULABLE VALUE TODAY, AND BRINGING THAT DOWN TO A MICRO COSMIC SCALE IN PLANO, I THINK THE SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ON COUNCIL ANYMORE, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ALIVE WHEN THE FRUITS OF SUCH A DELIBERATE EFFORT MAY BE REALIZED, BUT WE'RE CALLED ON TO THINK LONG-TERM, SO I SUPPORT THE EFFORT. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE WILL GET WITH THE CTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COLLABORATIVE ARTS GROUPS TO DISCUSS FURTHER THE SCOPE OF PROJECT AND HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN THAT DISCUSSION OF A PLAN OF A FACILITIES PLAN, OF A NUMBER OF ASPECTS. I WOULD JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, THAT IT'S WITH GREAT SADNESS THAT ONE OF OUR BUDGET OFFICERS IS LEAVING THE CITY AND RETIRING EARLY NEXT YEAR WHO HAS BEEN DIRECTLY RELATED WITH THE ARTS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, SO RAINEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF TURNOVER, BUT I THINK GIVE AN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE PLANNING, WE CAN DEVELOP THAT SCOPE IN A WAY THAT'S MEANINGFUL SO THAT WE CAN BRING A FULLY-VETTED PROJECT TO THE -- TO THE BUDGET CYCLE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FULLY-FUNDED WITH WHATEVER THAT SCOPE IS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THERE AFTER SO -- HAPPY TO DO IT. >> Mayor Muns: YOU STOLE MY THUNDER, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK OUR FIRST STEP IS TO HAVE STAFF COME UP WITH THE -- AN IMMEDIATE PLAN IN REGARD TO RAINEY AND REPLACING HER, AND SO I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO AND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, AND IF YOU'LL -- IF YOU'LL JUST BE A LITTLE PATIENT WITH US, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAN. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET APPROPRIATION. KAREN RHODES-WHITLEY. SPEAKING OF BUDGETS. >> GOOD EVENING, KAREN RHODES-WHITLEY BUDGET DIRECTOR. THIS EVENING WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME YEAR-END FINANCIALS THAT CAME IN, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SALES TAX CAP POLICY THAT IS BUDGETED EVERY YEAR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE USE A THREE-YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE AND WE NET OUT AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN FOR OUR REESTIMATE, WE MAKE A PROJECTION BASED ON THE HISTORY OVER THIS LAST YEAR. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE PROJECTED IN THE REESTIMATE AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN, YOU CAN USE THAT AMOUNT TO EATER GO TO THE RAINY DAY FUND, THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND, OR YOU CAN USE IT FOR ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. TONIGHT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT $2 MILLION IS WHAT THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS THAT IT CAGE IN OVER. MY SECOND POINT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. DUE TO THE EXTREME HEAT THAT WE HAD IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, WATER AND SEWER REVENUES ENDED UP COMING IN BY AN ADDITIONAL $10 MILLION. IN ADDITION, LAST WEEK WE RECEIVED A CHECK FOR $1.1 MILLION FROM NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT FOR A REBATE. NOW, WE HAVE SEVERAL -- I KNOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH Y'ALL DURINGHE BUDGET WORK SESSION THE WATER AND SEWER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE HAVE BEEN ON A PAY AS YOU GO SYSTEM SINCE 1993. IT IS REALLY STARTING TO SHOW SOME CRACKS IN THE FUNDING. WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO KEEP IT FUNDED OVER THERE. BUT DUE TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES INFLATION EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE OVER BY $5 MILLION. WE ARE SUGGESTING TO MOVE $2 MILON OVER TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE SEWER PROJECTS. THESE PROJECTS ARE THE DATA, LOTUS, AND PGBT, A PLANO PARKWAY PARALLEL INTERCEPTOR, AND THE DALLAS NORTH TRUNK PHASE 2 PROJECTS. IN ADDITION, WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT WE NEED TO ADD IN A THIRD GENERATOR OVER AT THE RIDGEVIEW PUMP STATION. THESE GENERATORS NOW ARE COSTING $2 MILLION. OKAY. SO THAT'S WER AND SEWER. THE CONVENTION AND TOURISM FUND. THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL ACTUAL IN-KIND -- NOW THE IN-KIND COST ALLOCATIONS WHERE WE SEND OUT OUR POLICE AND FIRE TO MONITOR THE EVENT. ANYWAY, THIS YEAR IT WENT OVER BY $44,000. NOW, ONE OF THE REASONS -- WELL, NUMBER ONE IS A THIRD DAY WAS ADDED IN TO THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVA IN ADDITION, HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THEIR NUMBER WAS BASED ON THE LAST TIME THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL HAPPENED. THAT WAS 2019. SEVERAL THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN. IN ADDITION TO THEM ADDING IN THAT EXTRA DAY, WE ALSO, POLICE AND FIRE NOW USE DRONES FOR BIG SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THIS. AND SO THAT CAUSED THE INCREASE IN THE ACTUAL IN-KIND CHARGES. NOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY KIND OF SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION HERE. I CAN HANDLE THIS WITH SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE. DO KNOW THAT WE -- ACTUALLY RAINEY, WHO MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT, SHE IS GOING TO BE RETIRING AT THE END OF MARCH. WE ARE PLANNING ON INTERVIEWING FOR HER REPLACEMENT STARTING IN MID-DECEMBER, SO WE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE 1st OF JANUARY. ANYWAY, WE CAN COVER THAT WITH THE SAVINGS. RAINEY SAT DOWN WITH THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL SO WE COULD SHOW UP THE EIMATES FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S OR 2023'S PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. I THINK WITH THE COVID AND THE DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ON SOME OF THESE COSTS. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT. SO TONIGHT REALLY A DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THE SALES TAX CAP POLICY AND THE WATER AND SEWER REVENUES. MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? >> Israelson: THANK YOU, KAREN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE RAINY DAY FUND, WE STARTED THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, HAS BECOME AN INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT FUND FOR US TO HAVE AS A CONTINGENCY BASED UPON THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING IN. I THINK WE HAVE $3.5 MILLION IN THE RAINY DAY FUND RIGHT NOW, THIS WOULD ADD $2 MILLION TO THAT. WE THINK THAT IS A GREAT AMOUNT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WEATHER SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING IN. ADDITIONALLY, THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, AS Y'ALL KNOW WE'RE PLACING A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE ROADS BUT WHEN THOSE ROADS WENT IN THE WATER AND SEWER LINES WENT IN WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE THE SAME AGE AS MANY OF THE ROADS WE'RE HAVING TO DO MAJOR REHAB ON. FOR US IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP UP WITH THAT WATER AND SEWER AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE STAYS IN A QUALITY CONDITION, THAT WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR BREAKS, WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR ISSUES WITH THAT. WE ARE SEEING THOSE COST ESCALATIONS HAPPEN BECAUSE OF LABOR. WE ARE SEEING THE MATERIALS -- WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE CITY THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM STAYS UP TO CAPACITY FOR THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE RECOMMENDING ALL OF THESE ASPECTS BUT THIS IS A COUNCIL DECISION AND SO WE WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM. >> Prince: SO MY QUESTION IS ON THE WATER AND SEWER FUND SINCE WE JUST RAISED RATES ON ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUR CORPORATE BUSINESSES. AND THEN WE CAME IN $10 MILLION OVER AND GOT A $1.1 MILLION REBATE. SO IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT BECAUSE WE CAME IN THAT MUCH OVER, THAT WE COULD, IN THE NOT RSE AMUCH AS YOU'REBLE TO PROJECTING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO? >> IT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER THE REASON WHY WE CAME IN $10 MILLION OVER, WE HIRED WILLDON TO DO OUR RATE MODEL. WE WENT WITH THEIR NUMBERS THEY GAVE US. NOW, THEY DID ALL THAT IN JUNE. WE PRESENTED IT TO Y'ALL IN JULY AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT. IT JUST WAS REALLY, REALLY HOT IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. EVEN IF YOU GIVE $5 MILLIONOW, OVER HERE TO THE CIP, WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION GO DOWN INTO THE FUND BALANCE. IS IT GOING TO BE RAINY THIS YEAR OR ARE WE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A DROUGHT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HARD TO CALL. BUT WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL BE BRINGING Y'ALL BACK NUMBERS IN MARCH WHEN WE'RE DOING THE THREE-YEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST. SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> Israelson: KAREN, WE COULD DO THAT TO LESSEN THE RATE INCREASE. THAT $5 MILLION COULD BE USED TO LESSE THE RATE INCREASE. >> Prince: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING WE CAME IN -- IS IT 10 PLUS THE 1.1 OR IS THE 1.1 INCLUDED? >> THAT'S A CHECK THEY GAVE US. >> Prince: WE CAME IN $11.1 MILLION AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP RAISING YOUR RATES, I DON'T THINK THAT COMES OFF WELL . >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> Williams: I AGREE 110%. WITH $11.1 MILLION IN SURPLUS, PLUS THE CHECK, WE WERE TRANSFERRING $5 MILLION, RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRANSFER $5 MILLION TO THE SEWER CIP, $2 MILLION TO THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND, WHAT ABOUT THE BALANCE? >> THAT WOULD GO TO THE BALANCE. WE COULD HAVE THAT GO AGAINST THE RATE INCREASE -- I'M PRETTY SURE THE RATE INCREASE FOR NEXT YEAR, ACCORDING TO THE MODEL, IS 8%. WE COULD APPLY THAT TO THAT. >> Williams: I SEE. >> SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS BIG OF A RATE INCREASE NEXT YEAR. >> Williams: I SEE. OKAY. AND SO TO THAT, FOR THE $5 MILLION TO THE SEWER CIP FUND AND $2 MILLION TO CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND, IF WE KEPT THAT IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND BALANCE AND DID NOT TRANSFER IT, BASICALLY WE WOULD SIMPLY, FOR THESE SAME ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS AND THE GENERATOR, WE WOULD APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGETING PROCESS. >> WELL, YEAH. >> Williams: HOW URGENT IS THATENERATOR? >> ISAN OVER HERE? CALEB? ANYWAY, SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO HOLD UP SOME OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE WATER AND SEWER CIP. THE GENERATOR, WE WOULD NOT PURCHASE THE GENERATOR. JUST MOVE IT OFF. THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THAT GENERATOR THAT WAS REQUIRED AND I CAN'T THINK OF IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> Israelson: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE GENERATOR AT RIDGEVIEW PUMP STATION, THAT'S ONE OF OUR LARGEST HOLDING FACILITIES IN THE CITY. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC GRID, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS, THE ABILITY TO MOVE WATER, IF THE GRID GOES DOWN, IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR THE CITY, BOTH IN PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS HEALTH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT. SO IN GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT WE DETERMINED WAS THE SIZE OF THE GENERATORS THAT WE HAD OUT THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT TO TAKE CARE OF THE ENTIRE PUMP STATION THAT WE NEEDED OUT THERE, SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING THIS BACK AND TO MAKE SURE THAT -- AND I DON'T MEAN THIS AS ANY OTHER CRITICISM, BUT THAT WE'RE MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT IN OUR WATER SYSTEM SHOULD THERE BE AN ISSUE WITH THE GRID. >> Williams: I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GENERATOR. SINCE WE HAVE ONGOING COSTS RIGHT NOW WITH THE OVERAGES OF THE OTHER PROJECTS FOR THE SEWER FUND, THEN I COULD SUPPORT THIS. BUT TO MAYOR PRO TEM'S POINT, I WOULD WANT TO OFFSET THINGS IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE SO THAT WE'RE NOT INCREASING RATES COMMENSURATE TO THE SURPLUSES WE HAVE NOW AND DEPENDING ON HOW NEXT SUMMER TURNS OUT, ANY SURPLUSES WE HAVE BASED ON CURRENT RATES NEXT YEAR. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN GRADY. >> Grady: I THINK THE CITY MANAGER REALLY STOLE EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, TO BE REAL CANDID ABOUT A GENERATOR AT THE WATER FACILITY. IT IS OUR LARGEST STORAGE OF WATER WITHIN THE CITY AND I CAN VERY VIVIDLY REMEMBER WHEN THE GRID WENT DOWN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD ICEMAGEDDON. THERE WAS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF SHUTTING DOWN POWER TO THE WATER SYSTEM AS WELL, WHICH WOULD HAVE CRIPPLED NOT ONLY THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESSES, BUT OUR ABILITY FROM AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WATER GOING TO HOMES, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WATER GOING TO FIRE HYDRANTS EITHER, AND PEOPLE TRYING TO HEAT THEIR HOMES WITH ALL KINDS OF, WHA I CALL UNQUALIFIED MATERIALS, CAUSED FIRES DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, MY THUNDER WAS REALLY STOLEN. BUT TO BE REAL CANDID, IF WE NEED A GENERATOR AT THAT PLANT AND IT COST $2 MILLION, WE NEED A GENERATOR AT THAT PLANT. >> Mayor Muns: IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT PLAN? COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> Smith: ABSOLUTELY. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER, GENERATORS ARE LARGE AND CAN BE IN SHORT SUPPLY. DO WE KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ONE IN A TIMELY FASHION AND HAVE IT INSTALLED? I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL. >> Israelson: IT IS CRITICAL. WE ARE IN THE QUEUE. I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THE EXACT TIMELINE OF THAT BUT AS YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE IN SHORT SUPPLY. WE STARTED THIS LITERALLY RIGHT AFTER WINTER STORM URI TRYING TO SHORE UP SOME OF OUR GENERATORS, GET SOME SWITCHES AND IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE BEEN IN A PROCESS SINCE THEN AND ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS FOR A NUMBER OF OUR FACILITIES FOR DOING THAT BUT I'LL GET YOU A TIMELINE ON THAT GENERATOR. >> Smith: THANKS, MARK. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THEN WE WILL BRING ALL THIS BACK TO THE DECEMBER 12th MEETING. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. PERFECT. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM, HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS UPDATE. LORI SCHWARZ. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. HOW ARE Y'ALL THIS EVENING? I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION REGARDINGHE 2023 HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AND WE ARE JUST PART OF A LARGER OVERALL STATEWIDE PROCESS FOR AN APPLICATION. WE ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE LOCAL GOVERNMENT POINTS AND THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLICATED AT TIMES, SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE NUMBERS. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE RESOLUTIONS. YOU CAN DO A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, A ROLUTN O NO OBJECTION. THESE ARE THE POINTS ALLOCATED FOR IT. THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN EXTRA POINT TO THOSE APPLICANTS BY DOING A PROVISION OF $500 OF FUNDING. IN THE PAST WE HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH A WAIVER OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES AFTER A PROJECT HAS BEEN AWARDED TAX CREDITS. BUT THAT IS PART OF THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE POINTS FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN OUR REVITALIZATION PLAN AREA. TH PRIMARILY IS DOWNTOWN PLANO. YOU CAN DO UP TO FOUR POINTS FOR THE LETTER, A MUNICIPAL DESIGNATION IS A DEVELOPMENT MOST SUPPORTING THE CIP, AND ALSO AN ADDITIONAL ONE POINT FOR OPPORTUNITY LOCATION INDEX. THEN THERE IS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE POINTS ALLOCATION . IN THE PAST THEY HAVE MADE A CHANGE 37 BASICALLY HOW IT TIES INTO THE CITY PROCESSES IS THAT IF THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES DECIDES NOT TO PROVIDE A LETTER OF SUPPORT, IT DEFERS TO THE TYPE OF RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM THE MUNICIPALITY THAT PROJECT IS WITHIN . IN THIS CASE SUPPORT GETS EIGHT POINTS FOR THAT APPLICANT, NO OBJECTION GETS ZERO, AND A RESOLUTION OF OBJECTION IS A NEGATIVE EIGHT POINTS. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANTS TO BE ABLE TO GET COMMUNITY AT-LARGE POINTS. THIS IS PRIMARILY THROUGH ENGAGEMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS AND QUANTIFIABLE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POINTS THA. THEY ARE DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SUPPORT GIVEN. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, AND THI COULD BE MORE BROAD, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION, AND SO THEY CAN GET UP TO FOUR POINTS FOR THAT. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL IN THE PAST ABOUT HOUSING DECONCENTRATION FACTORS. THESE ARE SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF PLANO. IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COUNTY POPULATION. I'M HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT THE STATE HAS RECOGNIZED WE ARE OVER A MILLION IN POPULATION NOW FOR COLLIN COUNTY SO IT HAS ADJUSTED SOME OF THE HOUSING DECONCENTRATION FACTORS THAT APPLY. THE FIRST ONE IS THE TWO-MILE SAME YEAR. THAT NOW APPLIES FOR US BECAUSE TDHCA RECOGNIZES COLLIN COUNTY AS HAVING A POPULATION OF OVER A MILLION. THE REST HAVE NOT CHANGED. THE OTHER THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THIS FIRST RULE ABOUT PROXIMITY OF DEVELOPMENT LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET. THIS HAS CHANGED AND NOW IT NO LONGER APPLIES. THAT IS THE BIG CHANGE FOR THOSE TWO THINGS. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS REMAINED THE SAME FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. SO WE HAD BROUGHT BACK SOME POINTS FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION WHO IS YOUR ADVISORY BODY AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME REVIEW. AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE MANY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU. YOU CAN ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE CRC OR YOU CAN MODIFY THEM OR CHOOSE TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS DIFFERENTLY THAN HAS BEEN SUGGESTED AT THIS POINT. SO JUST VERY QUICKLY, WE HAD HAD SOME COUNCIL FEEDBACK TO LOOK INTO SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES POTENTIALLY FOR THIS YEAR. SO ONE OF THEM WAS REGARDING AN APPLICATION AMENDMET. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY -- THIS IS SPECIFIC TO CRC AND NOT THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. BUT TO MODIFY THE EXISTING APPLICATION TO BE A STANDALONE QUESTION. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A MORE BROAD STANDALONE QUESTION INSTEAD OF SPECIFIC TO EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED. THE NEXT ONE IS TO CLARIFY SOME QUESTIONS -- AND THIS IS REALLY JUST FOR CLARITY FOR THE APPLICANTS. BECAUSE IT CAME UP AS PART OF DISCUSSION AND INSTEAD OF SAYING COMBINED TOTAL HOUSING TAX CREDIT UNITS, WE'RE ASKING FOR A TOTAL MARKET RATE IN AFFORDABLE UNITS, JUST TO BE CLEAR. THESE WERE THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CRC WAS ASKED TO CONSIDER PART OF THIS HOUSING TAX CREDIT REVIEW PROCESS. ONE WAS TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT ZONING STATUS AND TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT ZONING STATUS OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR A HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN DETERMINING WHAT TYPE OF RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE. I DO HAVE THE CHAIR, JOHNNY SINGH WITH US THAT CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE RESPONSE AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DISCUSSION HELD BY CRC, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FRO THE COMMISSION WAS THAT THE CURRENT ZONING SHOULD NOT BE A FACTOR TO BE CONSIDERED EVALUATING A HOUSING TAX CREDIT HOUSING RESOLUTION. ONE THING THEY DID WANT TO ADD THIS YEAR, SIMILAR TO OTHER CITIES, IS THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY HAD MET WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING AND PROVIDE INFORMATIO THAT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT PROJECT HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. THE SECOND THING IS TO TAKE -- THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE SHOULD BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS A LOCAL DEVELOPER AND LOOKING AT WHAT DOES LOCAL MEAN, JUST FOR CLARITY, DURING THE EVALUATION, IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED. THE COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT LOCALITY OF THE DEVELOPER IS SECONDARY TO THE CONSIDERATION OF LONGEVITY AND LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. CONSIDERATIONS TO LONGEVITY AND LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY ARE CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS PER THE CRC. I WENT TOO FAR. THE NEXT QUESTION WAS ABOUT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT LOCALITY AND TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE PROPERTY AFTER IT IS BUILT SHOULD BE LOCAL, SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT GIVEN FOR THOSE. THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED WHETHER THAT PREFERENCE SHOULD BE MADE TO APPLICANTS THAT STATE THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY A LOCAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THE COMMISSION DETERMINED THIS WAS SIMILAR TO THE PREFERENCE TO A LOCAL DEVELOPER DISCUSSION. FINALLY, THE COMMISSION WAS ASKED TO REVIEW THE CITY COMMITMENT OF $500 SHOULD THE CITY CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE THE $500 TO DEMONSTRATE COMMITMENT. IT IS NOTED THAT IS ONE POINT FOR THEPPLICATION. IN PREOUS YEARS THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVING A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT WERE PROVIDED A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE $500 COMMITMENT IN THE FORM OF A FEE WAIVER. AND THE COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE RETAIN THE $500 COMMITMENT OF FUNDING TO APPLICANTS RECEIVING A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 2022 HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROCESS. THERE WERE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL AND RECEIVED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. BOTH OF THOSE WERE AWARDED HOUSING TAX CREDIT STATUS AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THERE. AND THEN JUST SHOWING YOU WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECTS ARE, SPLIT BETWEEN ELDERLY AND GENERAL POPULATION. THE YELLOW AREA IS WHERE THE CONCERTED REVITALIZATION PLAN IS, JUST AS A REMINDER. OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS -- THIS TIMELINE WAS CREATED BASED OFF OF LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN IT WAS BEING TABLED. IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT, WE WOULD LOOK TO BE ABLE TO DO TRAINING WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS VERY QUICKLY SO THAT WE DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS. WE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE APPLICATIONS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION IN EARLY JANUARY. CRC WOULD MEET IN LATER JANUARY AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND THOSE WOULD BE PRESENTED AT THE COUNCIL'S FEBRUARY 13th MEETING, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THIS EVENING. BUT TH IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAV CHAIRMAN SINGH HERE AS WELL AS SHANETTE EDEN. I AM ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, LORI. ONE THING THAT'S STILL ALL CRITERIA AND ALL EXPERIENCE BEING EQUAL, I STILL BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD GIVE SOME TYPE OF EXTRA POINTS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES, LOCAL DEVELOPERS, AND/OR LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GIVE SOMEBODY A LOT OF POINTS JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR FIRST PROJECT AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE BASED HERE. AGAIN, IF THE EXPERIENCE LEVEL, PROJECT CRITERIA ALL HAVE BEEN MET IN OTHER PROJECTS AND THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT, YES, WE DID THIS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WE DID IT ON BUDGET, I THINK WE DEFINITELY SHOULD GIVE MORE CREDIT IN SOME FORM TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. OTHER THAN THAT, I F LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEENRESENTED. >> Mayuns:OUNCILMAN GRADY. >> Grady: AS PROBABLY EVERY COUNCILMEMBER UP HERE KNOWS, I WAS THE ONE WHO ASKED TO BRING TIMES. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROCESS, GO AHEAD AND ASK THEM BUT I WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT MY COMMENTS WILL CONCLUDE THAT THE PROGRAM OUGHT TO BE PLACED IN A HIATUS PATTERN FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR AND HIRE AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTT TO COME IN AND EXAMINE THIS PROGRAM AND DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN, FROM THIS PROGRAM IN THE PAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, AN EFFICIENT PROGRAM. I'LL COME BACK. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM. >> Israelson: MAYOR, BEFORE WE MOVE ON. LORI, WE DID DISCUSS THE ASPECT OF HIATUS FOR THE PROGRAM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPEAKING CLEARLY. WE DETERMINED THAT THAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT MATERIAL IMPACT TO THE PROGRAM. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Israelson: THANK YOU. >> Prince: MY QUESTIONS WERE I GUESS EITHER FOR YOU OR THE CHAIR. WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT IN NOT CONSIDERING ZONING? >> JOHNNY SINGH, THE CHAIR FOR CRC THIS YEAR. IN TERMS OF CONSIDERATION FOR ZONING, FRANKLY WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE FELT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE MORE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN TERMS OF THE ZONING PROCESS. IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IN TERMS OF THE PROCEDURES, WHAT TO CONSIDER, WE WEREN'T QUITE EQUIPPED TO DO THAT. IN PRIOR YEARS, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND IN THE ZONING P&Z COMMISSION WOULD THEN HAVE THEIR SAY IN THE PROCESS. SO WE DELIBERATELY KIND OF RESPECTED THAT JURISDICTION. SO WE JUST FELT -- BUT OVERALL WHEN WE LOOKED AT CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF ZONING, WE JUST WEREN'T EQUIPPED TO MAKE A SOUND RECOMMENDATION. >> Prince: SO DID YOU DISCUSS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE ZONING BEFORE Y'ALL MADE YOUR DECISION? >> WE, IN PRIOR YEARS -- I CAN SHARE WITH YOU IN PRIOR YEARS. AGAIN, WE FELT THAT WE GOT INTO ZONING, WE WOULD BE STEPPING INTO P&Z'S TERRITORY, SO WE MADE A DELIBERATE EFFORT, HEY, IF IT COMES TO ANYTHING THAT'S ZONING APPROVAL PROCESS RELATED, WE WEREN'T GOING TO TOUCH IT. I CAN ALSO ADD AS PART OF OUR SECONDARY CONSIDERATION QUESTIONS, ONE OF THE FIVE QUESTIONS, WE DO CONSIDER THE FIT OF THE APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THAT SENSE -- WE DON'T ASK ABOUT ZONING BUT WE DO CONSIDER, HEY, IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED SITE. >> Prince: MY NEXT QUESTION -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL KNOW THE ANSWER OR IF LORI WILL. HOW ARE OTHER CITIES HANDLING THIS IN PARTICULAR? ARE THEY CONSIDERING ZONING WHEN THEY MAKE THIS DECISION? >> SO THE ONES THAT WE'VE RECENTLY LOOKED AT HAVE NOT LOOKED AT ZONING BUT THEY HAVE DONE A PROCESS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS ENSURING THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT APPROVED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE HOPE IN HAVING THAT NEW ADDITION WITH THAT REVIEW BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THAT THEY KNOW THE ZONING APPROVALS OR DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO MAKING APPLICATION FOR A HOUSING TAX CRED PROJECT. AND THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. >> Mayor Muns: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. >> Tu: I WANT TO JUST VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR COUNCILMAN GRADY'S SUGGESTION, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES THAT COUNCILMAN SMITH ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERMANENTLY INTO OUR CURRENT PROCEDURE, AS WELL AS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING SO THAT WE ARE NOT BEING PUT IN AN AWKWARD POSITION, WHICH WE HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE TWO DEMANDS. THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: I'M IN 100% COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMAN GRADY AND HENCE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TOO. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THIS ON HOLD. FOR THE THREE AND A HALF YEARS I HAVE SERVED ON COUNCIL, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAVE TINKERED WITH THIS PROCESS. THAT SUGGESTSO ME THERE IS SOMETHING FOUNDATIONAL WITH THE PROCESS THAT REALLY NEEDS REVISION. AND HEARING THIS I THINK ONE OF THOSE THINGS MAY SIMPLY BE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE. TO YOUR POINT, CHAIRMAN, SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO -- ESSENTIALLY USURP P&Z'S ROLE IN ZONING. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT CONSIDERING THE ZONING WOULD HAVE MEANT YOU HAVE SECURED THE ZONING FOR THE PLAN YOU WANT TO BUILD BEFORE WE CONSIDER THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT JUST SUGGESTS TO ME THAT WE'RE MAYBE NOT ALL SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL THINGS WE SHOULD ADDRESS AS WELL. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, CHAIRMAN. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: I WILL AGREE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. I ALSO WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT. DOES THAT HAVE TO COME FROM WITHIN PLANO OR CAN IT COME FROM ANYWHERE? DO THEY GET POINTS FOR THAT? >> THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT HAS TO BE THE CITY OF PLANO AND IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC, LIKE WHENEVER THAT PROJECT IS, IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES. >> Holmer: SO BY NOT GOING THROUGH THE P&Z PROCESS, ARE THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE? >> THAT IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, TO NOTIFY THEM BECAUSE OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL POINTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE -- LET ME GO BACK TO THIS REAL QUICK SO YOU CAN SEE THIS. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, A QUALIFYING NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION. SO THE DEVELOPMENT SITE HAS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF AN OFFICIALLY SIGNATED NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS DEFINED BY TDHCA, AND 80% OF ITS CURRENT MEMBERSHIP LIVE WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY OF THE ORGANIZATION. SO IT IS INTENDED TO DO THAT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A LOT OF INCENTIVE FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE THAT OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO A STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION, WHICH WOULD BE A ZERO POINT. BUT ANY KIND OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THAT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY IS VERY STRONGLY ENCOURAGED AS PART OF THE STATE PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE JUST PART OF. THERE IS ALSO THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT FROM COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. THAT IS SOME TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES, BUT SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT OF THAT. WE HAVE HAD THAT SHOW UP IN OTHER APPLICATIONS. ULTIMATELY TDHCA IS THE ONE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE POINTS QUALIFY. BUT IT WOULD BE A LETTER FROM A COMMUNITYR A CIVIC ORGANIZATION OR PROPERTY OWNERS' ORGANIZATION, ONE GHTUTSIDE THAT AA OR EVEN LIKE A CITYWIDE NONPROFIT. WE'VE SEEN THOSE COME IN AND THEY CAN GET ADDITIONAL POINTS. BUT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. I MEAN, IT'S TWO PER LETTER RECEIVED. REALLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE POINTS COME FROM ENGAGING WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS AND TALKING TO THEM. >> Holmer: BUT TO BE CLEAR, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO NOTIFIED. >> NO, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. >> Holmer: OKAY. THAT'S I THINK PART OF THE REASON I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF GETTING ZONING FIRST. I ALSO WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF GIVING POINTS TO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PARTNERING WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I ALSO THINK THE $500 SHOULD NOT AUTOMATICALLY, THAT EXTRA POINT, GO TOWARDS ANYONE THAT WE GIVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT. AND THOSE I THINK WERE MY MAIN CONCERNS, BUT I DEFINITELY DO THINK, AS MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, THERE ARE SOME FLAWS AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RUSH TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TIME AND BEHOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT AND NOT BE MAKING THESE DECISIONS AGAIN IN ANOTHER YEAR FROM NOW. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Muns: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SUSPEND THIS FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE REGULAR MEETING. BUT BEFORE I GO TO THE REGULAR MEETING, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM H. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHERS? ANY ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS? >> MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE ITEM, AND THAT IS THAT THE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE FUTURE NOT BE TELEVISED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THAT WITH AN ADDITION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT ZOOM AT THIS POINT IS APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL, TO BE ADDED IN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT COUNCILMAN GRADY -- >> I WOULD SUPPORT THAT ADDITION. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SINC WRE TALKING ABOUT MOVING $2 MILLION TO THE RAINY DAY FOUND, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RESTRICTIONS USING MONEY IN THE RAINY-DAY FUND. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: DID YOU GET ALL THAT? >> WE'LL FINISH UP THAT DISCUSSION IN THE REGULAR MEETING. >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION. THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S MEETING, REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY RABBI MICHAEL KUSHNIC AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY BSA TROOP 3000 WITH THE RE-ELECTION LUTHERAN CHURCH OF PLANO . WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STAND? >> OUR GOD AND GOD OF OUR ANCESTORS, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING FOR OUR CITY, FOR ITS GOVERNMENT, AND FOR ALL OF ITS LEADERS AND ADVISERS. TEACH THEM THAT THEY MAY ADMINISTER ALL FAIR FAIRLY, THAT PEACE AND SECURITY, HAPPINESS AND PROSPERITY, JUSTICE AND FREEDOM MAY FOREVER ABIDE IN OUR MIDST. CREATOR OF ALL FLESH, BLESS ALL INHABITANTS OF OUR GREAT CITY WITH YOUR SPIRIT. MAY CITIZENS OF ALL RACES AND CREEDS WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT ALL RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. MAY ALL CITIZENS PROSPER AND STRIVE TO IMPROVE THE CITY AND WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN BY BANISHING HATRED, BIGOTRY, AND EVIL. WE JUST CELEBRATED THANKSGIVING. GOD, HELP US TO LEARN TO APPRECIATE THE BLESSINGS IN OUR LIVES. WHILE THERE'S SO MUCH WORK THAT NEEDS OUR ATTENTION, THERE'S ALSO SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR. HELP DIRECT US TO THOSE MOMENTS OF BLESSING AND REMIND US THAT WE'RE ALL CREATED IN YOUR IMAGE, TO BRING GOODNESS AND BLESSING TO OUR COMMUNITIES. GOD, PLEASE BLESS OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL CIIZENS OF PLANO. HELP US TO BETTER SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER DURING THIS UPCOMING HOLIDAY SEASON AND WORK TOGETHER TO BRING PEACE AND HAPPINESS TO ALL RESIDENTS. LET US SAY AMEN. >> WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY THE TEXAS FLAG. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. BE SEATED. [TING PICTURES] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, GUYS FOR DOING THAT. APPRECIATE IT. WELL, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT THE EFFORT OF TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS DEPARTMENT ON FIRES, TACTICAL RESPONSE GUIDE, TRG PROGRAM, THAT WAS ■RECOGNIZED AS A DISTINGUISHED SYSTEM BY URISA, WHICH IS AN ACRONYM. YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF ACRONYMS, JUST SAYING. WHERE'D THE CHIEF GO? LOTS OF ACRONYMS. EXEMPLARY SYSTEM AND GOVERNMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. I'M GOING TO CALL FORWARD ROGER WRIGHT, CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER. JOHN LA BARGER, APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT TECH OFFICER. GEORGETTE BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE AND GIS MANAGER, AND CHRISTINA DEETS , BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE AND GIS ANALYST. CHRISTINA, DO YOU WANT TO S SOME? >> SURE. >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS, FIRST OF ALL. >> THANK OU SO MUCH. THIS WAS A BIG TEAM EFFORT WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW ON GETTING THIS UP AND GOING. THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY USING MAP BOOKS THAT WERE 200 PAGES LONG AND HAVING TO FIND THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO RESPOND [LAPSE IN AUDIO] SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORT IN WORKING WITH US ON THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. Y'ALL COME ON IN. EVERYBODY WENT ON THAT SIDE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> Mayor Muns: HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? Y'ALL COME IN. [TAKING PICTURES] >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor Muns: OUR SECOND PRESENTATION IS THE CITY OF PLANO'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS DEPARTMENT. ONCE AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED AND RECEIVED THE 2022 GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE PROJECT AWARD FROM THE CENTER OF DIGITAL GOVERNMENT FOR THEIR ZONING ALERT TOOL AND RESPONSE MAP. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FORWARD CHRIS NINA DAY, CHRISTINA SEBAIAN, SHERRY FORBES, BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE , AND ALLEN BILLDOE, DEVELOPMENT OPERATIONS MANAGER. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW WALL FOR ALL YOUR AWARDS YOU'RE WINNING. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR MUNS. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO SAY -- SO CHRISTINA DAY, OUR DIRECTOR WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT THIS AWARD IS FOR OUR ZONING CASE RESPONSE MAP AS WELL AS OUR ZONING CASE ALERT TOOL. AND THE ZONING CASE RESPONSE MAP HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW BUT THE ALERT TOOL IS QUITE NEW AND THE IDEA REALLY STEMMED FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY DR. SOLOMON. HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF A WEATHER ALERT SYSTEM WHERE USERS COULD SIGN UP TO BE NOTIFIED OF NEW ZONING CASES IN PARTICULAR AREAS OF INTEREST TO THEM. SO WE REALLY THANK HIM FOR THAT IDEA AND THANK TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS FOR ROLLING WITH IT AND GETTING IT LAUNCHED FOR US. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] [TAKING PICTURES] S] S] S] S] S] S] S] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] >> Mayor Muns: OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, THE CITY OF PLANO COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND MEDIA RELATIONS DEPTMENTS. THEY'VE RECEIVED MULTIPLE AWARDS FROM TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPAL INFORMATION OFFICERS CITY-COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS, AND MARKETING ASSOCIATION AND THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FORWARD SHANA HALEY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH. STEVE STOLER, DIRECTOR OF MEDIA RELATIONS. AL CARNLEY, MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST JONATHAN COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. LISSA COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. WENDY, SENIOR MARKETING SPECIALIST, AND JORDAN GREENWOOD, SENIOR MARKETING SPECIALIST . >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE'VE WON TWO STATEWIDE AWARDS. THE IDEA BEHIND THIS VIDEO SERIES, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER HERE AT THE CITY OF PLANO IN TERMS OF SERVICES AND AMENITIES. WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH A VIDEO SERIES THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IN A VERY SHORT CONVERSATIONAL AND SIMPLE WAY EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY OF PLANO HAS TO OFFER. SO A THIS POINT, TOMORROW WE'RE POSTING OUR 83rd EPISODE OF STOLER ON THE STREET AND TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE IS A WONDERFUL THING. AND THEY ALWAYS SAY THAT THE GREATEST FORM OF FLATTERY IS WHEN PEOPLE IMITATE WHAT YOU DO. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN OTHER ACROSS TEXAS THAT ARE TAKING THE IDEA AND RUNNING WITH IT. SHAUNA. >> WE DON'T HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE BECAUSE OUR JOB AS COMMUNICATORS IS TO EDUCATE, INFORM, AND ENGAGE OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR STAFF ARE BUSY BEHIND THE SCENES, SO THEY'RE BROADCASTING THIS MEETING, TAKING PHOTOS OF THE MEETING. BUT IT IS OUR PLEASURE O TRACK THE WORK THAT WE DO TO SUPPORT THE CITY AND WE'VE RECEIVED NATIONAL AND STATE RECOGNITION, BECAUSE WE TIE OUR WORK TO HOW IT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S STRATEGIC VISION. IT'S OUR PLEASURE TO SERVE. >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS. LET'S GIVE THEM A HAND. [APPLAUSE] [TAKING PICTURES] >> Mayor Muns: CENTER. CENTER. FINALLY, I HAVE AN OATH OF OFFICE THAT ARE BEING GIVEN TONIGHT TO CITIZENS WHO WILL BE SERVING ON CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND I ASK THAT KATHY HINES COME FORWARD WITH THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY. CONGRATULATIONS KATHY. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL READ YOU THE OATH OF OFFICE. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, AN APPOINTEE OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY REPRESENT THE CITY TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. AND FURTHERMORE SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDECTLY PD, OFFERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED, NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] [TAKING PICTURES] >> Mayor Muns: COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THES ITEMS B MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. >> Mayor Muns: LET ME SAY SOMETHING REAL BRIEFLY. THANK YOU. SO THE CITY OF PLANO AND THIS COUNCIL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM OUR CITIZENS VERY SERIOUSLY. WE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. WE TAKE SERIOUSLY OUR ROLE AS THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTING OUR CITIZENS' TIME AND TAXPAYER WE STRIVE TO CONDUCT OURSELVES WITH EXCELLENCE AND FOCUS OUR AGENDA ON CITY BUSINESS. AND IN RETURN WE ASK THAT THOSE THAT COME BEFORE US PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS CAMILA HUTCHINSON. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CAMILA HUTCHINSON AND I AM A PRIVATE CITIZEN HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, ALSO REFERRED TO AS SNAP AND HOW THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD INELIGIBILITY IS A THREAT TO THE OVERALL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF PLANO HOUSEHOLDS. ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, 86% OF SNAP BENEFITS GO TO CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, OR PERSS WITH DISABILITY. 92% OF SNAP HOUSEHOLDS ARE AT OR BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTY LINE. FOOD INSECURITY AND HEALTH ARE DEEPLY RELATED. INDIVIDUALS WHO FACE FOOD INSECURITY ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS SUCH AS HEART DISEASE, DIABETES, AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. HUNGRY CHILDREN ARE SICK MORE OFTEN AND CAN SUFFER FROM PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENTAL AND COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENTS RESULTING IN LOWER ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT THAN THEIR PEERS. DATA SPECIFIC TO NINE ZIP CODES IN THE CITY OF PLANO FROM THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSIONS SHOW THAT THE NUMBER OF SNAP CASES AND RECIPIENTS INCREASED BY 10.5% AND 6.5% RESPECTIVELY FROM PRE-COVID OCTOBER 2019 TO OCTOBER 2022. CURRENTLY, PLANO HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS UNINTERRUPTED AND CONTINUED ACCESS TO SNAP BENEFITS IS UNDER THREAT DUE TO THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD INELIGIBILITY AS A RESULT OF FAILURE TO MEET CERTAIN WORK SNAP PARTICIPANTS ALREADY FACE INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD AND ENVIRONMENTAL BARRIERS THAT LIMIT SNAP ALLOTMENTS AND THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD INELIGIBILITY SHOULD NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL HU HURDLE TO ACCESS FOOD. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I ASK THAT YOU HELP ENSURE THAT& PLANO RESIDENTS HAVE AN INCREASED CHANCE AT OBTAINING THEIR FULLEST POTENTIAL FOR HEALTH AND OVERALL WELL-BEING BY WRITING A LETTER TO PLANO STATE REPRESENTATIVE JEFF LEECH IN SUPPORT OF SENATE BILL 1912. THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW PLANO HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS CONTINUED ACCESS TO THEIR VITALNAP BENEFITS DESPITE THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD'S INELIGIBILITY DUE TO FAILURE TO MEET SPECIFIC WORK REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> COULD I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION? WAS THAT SENATE BILL 1912, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, MA'AM? >> YES, SENATE BILL 1912. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: WHO FILED THAT, DO YOU KNOW? >> I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >> Mayor Muns: WE'LL FIND OUT. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DR. MARIANA MENDIOLA AND SHE WILL BE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. >> HELLO. >> HELLO. GO AHEAD AND PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA. >> LET'S SEE HERE -- I THINK I HAD THIS PROBLEM LAST TIME. OH, I'M NOT RECORDING. THERE WE GO. OKAY. CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? >> YES, GO AHEAD. >> OKAY, MAYOR, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DR. MENDIOLA AND I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST WITH THE PIC TRAINING RESEARCH SOLUTIONS AND CONSULTING. I'M NOT HERE ON BEHALF OF ANY ORGANIZATION TONIGHT. LAST NIGHT THERE WERE TWO ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN TEXAS BUT I'M HERE ON MY OWN TONIGHT. MY CONCERN IS FOR THE PSYCHOLOGICAL WELL-BEING OF THE CHILDREN OF PLANO. THIS HAPPENS TO BE PLANO TONIGHT. WHAT I'M DOING IS INQUIRING ABOUT THE STATUS OF ANY COMMITTEE THAT YOU MAY BE FORMING OR THAT YOU MAY HAVE FORMED ALREADY OR BE LOOKING TO TO EXPLORE THE PLAUSIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ANYONE FROM UNDER 18 TO ATTEND THE SO-CALLED DRAG QUEEN BRUNCHES OR ANY KIND OF ADULT-ORIENTED ENTERTAINMENT VENUES LIKE THAT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT EXPOSING CHILDREN TO THIS, IT IS DANGEROUS. THERE ARE PSYCHOLOGICAL DANGERS TO CHILDREN BY EXPOSING THEM TO THIS KIND OF MATERIAL. THE THING IS THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HOW WRONG IT IS. WE KNOW IT'S SOCIALLY WRONG, IT'S MORALLY WRONG AND IT'S ILLEGAL. IT'S ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME WE START TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND AT LEAST LISTEN TO SOME FACTS. THAT'S WHAT I'M PREPARED TO DO IS PRESENT YOU, THE COUNCIL, THE FACTS AND THE ACTUAL PSYCHOLOGICAL DANGERS THAT THE KIDS MAY BE EXPOSED TO AND MAY DEVELOP THAT CARRY ON INTO ADULT LIFE. THE DISPLAY BY THE TWO GENTLEMEN AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING -- I THINK YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT -- IF THAT'S HOW THEY ACT IN THE CLASSROOM, THAT'S A CLEAR INDICATION OF WHAT THE KIDS ARE BEING EXPOSED TO. THESE GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE HOW THEY WANT TO, I'VE GOT NO PROEM WITH THAT. BUT IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO EXPOSE CHILDREN TO THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CHILDREN HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THAT THE CITY OF PLANO FORM A COMMITTEE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO, ACT AS A CONSULTANT IN THAT ROLE. >> YOUR CAMERA IS COVERED. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE CHILDREN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, LET'S A LOOK AT THIS REALISTICALLY, THE MONEY THAT THE CITY MAY INVEST NOW MAY BE MORE FEASIBLE THAN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE CITY WOULD BE PAYING IN LAWSUITS FILED BY PARENTS OF PSYCHOLOGICALLY-DAMAGED CHILDREN AND WHEN THE CITY DID NOTHING ABOUT IT -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF ME. YOU HAVE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE WORTH IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, STAY SAFE, AND BE HEALTHY. >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT IT? >> THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. >> Mayor Muns: WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCILMEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE EXCEPT FOR ITEM H. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM H. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM H. >> ITEM H, TO AMEND SECTION 12-101, PROHIBITED ON CERTAIN STREETS AT ALL TIMES OF ARTICLE V, STOPPING, STANDING, AND PARKING, CHAPTER 12, MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC OF THE CITY OF PLANO CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ESTABLISH A NO PARKING ZONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EMERSON DRIVE FROM PRESTON MEADOW DRIVE TO A POINT 145 FEET WEST OF VIRGINIA DRIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF PLANO AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, AND PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND EFFECTIVE DATE. PLO FE AND RESCUE, HERE TOBY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Prince: THANK YOU. I PULLED THIS ITEM BECAUSE THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND I FREQUENT THIS PARK VERY OFTEN WHEN IT'S AT ITS BUSIEST SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, WHICH Y'ALL HAVE ANSWERED SOME OF THEM, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE 26-FOOT WIDTH OF THE STREET IS THE SAME AVERAGE WIDTH OF MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN PLANO, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. THAT'S OUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL WIDTH. >> Prince: SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S OFTENTIMES WHERE WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING ON TWO SIDES OF THE ROAD, IT'S CROWDED. I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, AND IT'S THE SAME SIZE ROAD, YET WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN PARKING ON THAT. BUT YET WITH THIS ONE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN PARKING FOR A WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ROAD ON THE SAME SIDE STREET. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY FOR THIS STRT THAN ANY OTHER 26-FOOT ROAD WE HAVE IN PLANO? >> SURE. I'LL LET CHIEF TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS, BUT FROM A STANDARD STANDPOINT, WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS EXACTLY RIGHT. THE STANDARD WIDTH OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS 26 FEET. HOWEVER, WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO A PARK, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT TO BE 36 FEET. THE UNIQUE SITUATION WITH THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH CAME FIRST, I BELIEVE IT WAS PLATTED IN 1982 AT THE 26-FOOT WIDTH. AND THEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, PRESTON MIDDLE PARK NOW IN 1996. IN ACTUALITY IF IT WAS DEVELOPED TODAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A 36-FOOT WIDE STREET. THE PRIMARY REASON THEY DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF ON-STREET PARKING . CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS? >> WE DO GET MANY REQUESTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THEY'LL CALL AND SAY THERE'S POTENTIALLY A BLOCK ON THEIR RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET BY. WE DO THE SAME THING. EVERY TIME WE GET A CALL LIKE THAT WE'LL SEND AN APPARATUS OUT THERE AND TRY TO TIME IT FOR WHEN THEY SAY THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE. AND SO WE DID THE SAME THING HERE. I THINK IT WAS ON AUGUST 18th WE GOT A CALL FROM A RESIDENT AND WENT OUT THERE. I WAS SURPRISED, BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY TIME WE GO OUT OUR APPARATUS ARE ABLE TO GET THROUGH. THE TRAFFIC IS NOT USUALLY AN ISSUE, BUT THIS ONE WAS. WE SENT ENGINE 12 OUT THERE. THEY TRIED TO TURN THE CORNER AND WEREN'T ABLE TO TURN THE CORNER TO GET ON TO THE STREET. AND THE ISSUE THERE IS WHEN CARS ARE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET BUMPER TO BUMPER ALL THE WAY THROUGH, THERE'S NOT ANY BREAKS IN THERE FOR WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANEUVER AND GET THE RIGHT ANGLE THAT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A REGULAR STREET AND WE HAVE TWO CARS THAT ARE PARKED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER, SOMETIMES IT'S PRETTY TIGHT AND SO SOMETIMES WE STOP, WE PUT GROUND GUIDES ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HIT MIRRORS OR DO ANYTHING ON THAT SIDE, BUT IT DEFINITELY SLOWS OURESPONSE. IN THIS CASE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RESPOND OUT THERE AND IF WE COULD IT WOULD BE AT A CRAWL TO KEEP FROM HITTING SOMETHING ON BOTH SIDES THERE. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, JUST THE NUMBER AND THEN BEING PARKED BUMPER TO BUMPER ON BOTH SIDES. >> CALEB, REAL QUICK, AND MAYOR PRO TEM, SORRY. THE SOLUTION ON THE NO PARKING SIDE OF THINGS, IS THAT A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND IS THERE A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'S -- SO THAT WOULD EXPIRE AT SOME POINT WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH, SO WE'VE INITIATED A CIP PROCT TO WIDEN THAT SECTION. OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE LOCATION, BEING A RESIDENTIAL, TO DO TRAFFIC-CALMING DEVICES THROUGHOUT THERE. WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO COME IN AND WIDEN THE WHOLE STRETCH. THERE WOULD BE MARKED PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. >> YEAH, THIS WOULD BE THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO ALLOW FOR THAT ACCESS UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT PROJECT DESIGNED AND GET IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THAT THAT, WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND REPEAL AND PUT PARKING ON THE SIDE. . >> Prince: HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNICATION WITH PISD AND THE SCHOOL BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE ON-STREET PARKING WHEN THEY HAVE A MAJOR SCHOOL EVENT, OPEN HOUSE, THINGS LIKE THAT AND ARE THEY AWARE THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO TELL THEIR PARENTS THEY CANNOT PARK ALONG THAT ROAD? >> SO, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO PISD ABOUT THIS NO PARKING. HOWEVER, IN OUR SITE VISITS DURING THIS TIME, WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED IS THE TWO PARKING LOTS THAT ARE AACEN TO THE PARK, THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE A LITTLE OVER 100 OR SO EACH. EACH ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25, 30% UNPARKED. SO IT APPEARS THAT JUST DURING THIS TIME THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING, IT'S JUST THEY'RE UTILIZING THE CONVENIENCE OF EMERSON VERSUS THE ACTUAL PARKING LOTS THEMSELVES. >> Prince: YEAH, BECAUSE THE ONE PARKING LOT IS VERY FAR AWAY. >> THAT'S TRUE. THE NORTH SIDE, YEAH, IT IS. >> Prince: IT'S VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL SO I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO PARK IN THAT ONE. BUT MY LAST QUESTION IS -- I GUESS IT'S NOT A QUESTION. JUST FROM MY -- YOU SAID THAT YOU GET THESE REQUESTS MANY TIMES FROM NEIGHBORS. ABOUT HOW MANY OF THESE REQUEST DO YOU GET FOR PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S TOO MANY CARS PARKED ON MY ROAD. I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GET A TRUCK DOWN THEM. HOW OFTEN DO Y'ALL HEAR THAT? >> PRETTY FREQUENTLY. SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR WE'LL GET THAT REQUEST. LIKE I SAID, WE GO OUT AND CHECK ALL OF THEM OUT AND SEND TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GETST THROUGH THERE. LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER TIME WHENEVER WE COULDN'T GET THROUGH THERE. IT WAS SURPRISING TO ME WHEN I FOUND OUT AND SAW THE VIDEO WHERE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THROUGH THERE ON THIS ONE. >> Prince: I DON'T THINK THE WAY THAT THIS IS FROM ONE END ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER, I'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDENT WE'RE SETTING AND NOT BEING EQUALLY APPLIED TO OTHERS AROUND THE CITY. BUT I WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OPEN TO IT IF WE WERE AT THE ENDS SHUTTING IT DOWN SO YOU HAVE TIME TO TURN AND ATHE OTHER END OF THE STREET AND MAYBE BLOCKING OFF PARTS BUT THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE STREET, THAT IS A LONG STREET THAT WE'RE SHUTTING OFF TO THE MASS AMOUNT OF THE PUBLIC, THAT'S A VERY USED PARK. IT'S VERY POPULATED. I HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THE PARKING LOT, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S EVEN FULLER THAN THAT AMOUNT OF 25%, AS YOU SAID. I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT LIKE THIS BUT IF IT CAME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CUT OFF PART OF IT AND NOT THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ROAD THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHIEF, CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY FOR ME? I UNDERSTAND IF CARS ARE PARK BUMPER TO BUMPER TO THE INTERSECTION WHERE YU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MANEUVER THE TRUCK ON TO THE STREET. WAS THAT THE ISSUE OR WAS THERE ALSO AN ISSUE DRIVING ALONG THE STRAIGHTAWAY JUST DUE TO THE TIGHTNESS OF THE VEHICLES? I THINK WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM PRINCE IS SAYING IS VALID THAT& IF YOU PROHIBIT PARKING SO MANY FEET FROM THE INTERSECTIONS OR FROM THAT SOUTHEASTERN CURVE, THEN THAT SHOULD PROBABLY ALLEVIATEHE BIGGEST PROBLEMS. BUT IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN BETWEEN THE CARS ON A STRAIGHTAWAY. CAN YOU CLARIFY? >> IT WAS BOTH. IN THAT CASE WHEN YOU WENT TO TURN OFF EMERSON THERE, THE CARS BEING THAT CLOSE TO THE EDGE MADE IT A CHALLENGE. YOU COULD HAVE BACKED UP AND GOTTEN STRAIGHT ENOUGH TO GO INTO EMERSON THERE BUT YOU STILL WERE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WERE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES. THERE STILL WASN'T ANYELIEF ON EITHER SIDE, NO BREAKS IN THERE. WITH THE WAY EMERSON IS SET UP, IT HAS A COUPLE OF CURVES IN THERE. IT JUST MAKES IT CHALLENGING TO TRY TO GO ■THROUGH THERE, ESPECIALLY ON AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE. >> Williams: IF THE PARKING WERE PROHIBITED ROUGHLY 50, MAYBE 100 FEET FROM THE& INTERSECTION AND THAT CURVE, WOULD THAT HELP? I KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO SLOWER BUT I'M VERY MINDFUL THAT THIS IS BLOCKING OFF THE ENTIRERRAY OF PARKING, NOT JUST FOR SCHOOL EVENTS BUT FROM THE SOUTHERNMOST PLAYGROUND, ALL ON-STREET PARKING FOR A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE. >> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM. I THINK YOU'RE JUST MOVING THE PROBLEM BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BUT I FEEL YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM. >> Williams: CALEB, DO YOU HAVE A TIME-FRAME FOR THE CIP PROJECT? >> SO WE HAVE JUST STARTED THE SCOPING OF THAT, SO IT WILL BE SOMETIME PROBABLY NEXT LATE SUMMER OR FALL BEFORE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION. ANDUSTNOW TT ONCE WE START CONSTRUCTION, THAT WHOLE AREA TO THE NORTH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WIDENING THAT DIRECTION, WILL BE CLOSED FOR THAT DURATION. THE PLAN WAS TO PUT THIS IN PLACE FOR THE ACCESS STANDPOINT AND THEN TO CONTINUE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY REPEAL THAT ONCE IT'S COMPLETE. >> Williams: WITH THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD THERE, SHOOTING FROM THE HIP, ROUGHLY HOW LONG MIGHT THAT TAKE? >> PROBABLY SUMMER OF '24. >> Williams: BEFORE IT'S COMPLETE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A SEASONAL ACTIVITY AS FAR AS IT'S VERY BUSY DURING THE EVENINGS AND THE FALL AND THE SPRING, OBVIOUSLY THE SUMMER KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL, PLUS THE SPORTING EVENTS, THEY ARE ON A BREAK. OBVIOUSLY CHRISTMAS IS THE SAME WAY. SO IT'S SPRING AND FALL THAT WE WOULD BE HITTING -- YEAH, NEXT SPRING, FALL '23, SPRING '24. >> Williams: I MIGHT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS IF INSTEAD OF SAYING WE'LL BRING IT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL SOMETIME, THINGS HAVE A HABIT OF NEVER DYI. IF WE PASS IT WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE TO MAYBE IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T GO FORWARD AS PLANNED OR AT LEAST NOT IN THE TIME-FRAME PLAN, IT AT LEAST FORCES US TO RECONSIDER IT AT THAT POINT. WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO AMEND THIS TO HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE OF LET'S SAY END OF JULY '24? >> YES, WE COULD. >> Williams: OKAY. >> I WOULD PROBABLY PUSH IT BACK. >> Williams: WELL, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN JULY '24 AND YOU SAY, HEY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR MORE MONTHS TO COMPLETE THIS, IT SHOULD BE A NO-BRAINER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS TO EXPIRE IN THE -- AT THE END OF JULY 2024. >> Ricciardelli: I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM H WITH A DEADLINE OF JULY '24. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 6-2. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED . ITEM NO. 1, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE YOUTH PROGRAM STANDARDS OF CARE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, SAVINGS CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS PAST YEAR PARKS AND RECREATION OFFERED ROUGHLY 240 CAMP OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLANO'S YOUTH WITH ROUGHLY 5,000 REGISTRANTS IN THOSE CAMP OGRAMS. THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES, HUMAN RESOURCES CODE, ACTUALLY CLASSIFIES US AS A DAY CARE CENTER DUE TO THESE CAMP PROGRAMS. BECAUSE WE OFFER THESE PROGRAMS FOR INDIVIDUALS, SEVEN OR MORE CHILDREN AGES 5 TO 13. AND THEY MEET AT LEAST THREE DAYS A WEEK, TWO HOURS EACH DAY. HOWEVER, AS A MUNICIPAL PROGRAM, WE ARE EXEMPT FROM STATE CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS BUT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS EXEMPTION WE MUST ADHERE TO THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE LISTED HERE. I'LL BRIEFLY GO OVER THESE. WE MUST BE A MUNICIPAL PROGRAM, WHICH WE ARE. OUR PARENTS MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE NOT STATE LICENSED, WHICH WE DO NOT CLAIM THAT THEY ARE. WE CANNOT ADVERTISE AS A CHILDCARE OPERATION, WHICH WE DON'T. THE ADOPTION OF STANDARDS OF CARE BY A GOVERNING BODY MUST TAKE PLACE, AND THAT IS ALL YOU THIS EVENING. THE STANDARDS OFARE MUST BE OVIDED TTHE PARENTS OF OUR PARTICIPANTS, WHICH THEY ARE. AND THAT MINIMUM STANDARDS ARE INCLUDED AND IDENTIFIED. THESE MINIMUM STANDARDS, WHICH MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE STANDARDS OF CARE ARE LISTED HERE. STUDENT RATIO, INSTRUCTOR RATIOS MUST BE IDENTIFIED AS WELL AS EMPLOYEE QUALIFICATIONS BUILDING HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS, AND OUR MECHANISMS FOR MONITORING AND ENFORCING THESE STANDARDS. NOW, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WHEN I CAME BEFORE YOU THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE TO IDENTIFY -- WHETHER WE HAD TO MEET CERTAIN STUDENT-INSTRUCTOR RATIOS AND MINIMUM EMPLOYEE QUALIFICATIONS, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE JUST HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN OUR STANDARDS OF CARE, WHICH WE DO . FINALLY, OUR YOUTH PROGRAM STANDARDS OF CARE DO REQUIRE THAT WE COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND REPORT THAT WE HERE T THESE STANDARDS OF CARE. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SAY THAT WE DO MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR EXEMPTION AND THAT THE YOUTH STANDARDS OF CARE FOR THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND UPDATED. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THEM AND APPROVED THEM. THEY WERE PRESENTED TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD AND I CAN ATTEST THAT WE -- ALL OF OUR CAMPS TO STRICTLY ADHERE TO THESE YOUTH STANDARDS OF CARE. SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF THERE ARE NONE, I ASK THAT THIS BODY APPROVE OUR STANDARDS OF CARE SO THAT WE CAN BE APPROPRIATELY EXEMPT FROM STATE LICENSING, CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO SAY MY FAMILY HAS BENEFITED FROM THESE CAMPS. MY 8-YEAR-OLD HAS ATTENDED AND YOU KNOW IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. I WANTED TO ASK I FORMULATING THESE YOUTH PROGRAM STANDARDS OF CARE, ASIDE FROM MEETING STATE REQUIREMENTS, HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT WE'VE MET ALL OF THE BEST PRACTICES FOR ENSURING CHILD SAFETY, NO ABUSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OF THE RIGHT PROTOCOLS IN PLACE? >> SO I ATTENDED OUR ANNUAL CONFERENCE AND I TOOK A CLASS ON WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE STANDARDS OF CARE. I ALSO RESEARCHED SOME OTHER CITIES -- THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO -- TO GET THEM STARTED WHEN WE FIRST INITIATED THEM, STUDIES OTHER CITIES. FORT WORTH AND DALLAS BEING TWO OF THE CITIES I LOOKED AT. WE MODIFIED THEM FOR WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR PROGRAMS HERE AT THE CITY OF PLANO. >> Ricciardelli: PERFECT. SO ESSENTIALLY WE LOOK TO OTHERS WHO WE THOUGHT WERE EFFECTIVE IN ACCOMPLISHING THE GOALS OF KEEPING OUR YOUTH SAFE AND THEN ADAPTED THAT FOR THE SPECIFIC NEEDS OF PLANO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Ricciardelli: FANTASTIC. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON& THAT SUSIE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IS THIS ALSOO BE IN COMPLIANCE FOR OUR INSURANCE PURPOSES? >> NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. >> Tu: SO THE STANDARD IS STANDALONE. THE STANDARD OF CARE IS STAND ALONE FOR OUR POLICY PURPOSES, NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR ANY TYPE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE? >> NO. >> Tu: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOTN TO APPROVE. >> JINX. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE. DID IT TWICE. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND I'LL LET LISA FIGURE OUT WHO CAME FIRST, ALTHOUGH I THINK COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS CAME BEFORE YOU, COUNCILMAN GRADY. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. WE ARE GOING TO RETURN TO THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS UPDATE. WE STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY COMMENTS. COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> Smith: I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME AND FACTUAL NATURE, I WOULD SAY TO CALL ON COUNCILMAN GRADY AND LET HIM MAKE HIS COMMENTS AND I WOULD BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO POSTPONE THIS FOR A YEAR. SO RATHER THAN DELAY ANYMORE, LET'S HEAR WHAT COUNCILMAN GRADY HAS TO SAY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> Grady: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DO OWE AN EXPLANATION TO MY PEERS HERE AND STAFF AND THE REASONINGS BEHIND ALL OF MY FEELINGS ON THE PROGRAM. I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE PROGRAM NOW FOR PROBABLY TEN YEARS, MAYBE LONGER WITH COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND WITH BEING ON THE COUNCIL. IN MY OPINION WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS A PROGRAM THAT HAS GONE FROM OKAY TO SOMEWHAT OKAY, TO BAD TO WORSE. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL THAT THE DECISIONS UPON THEM AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS UPON THEM WERE ARBITRARY AND WERE BASICALLY DONE IN A PATTERN OR IN A MANNER THAT I FAILED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT CONTINUOUSLY AS WE CONTINUED THIS TREND. AND LET ME ADD SOME FACTS TO THAT SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT. THE COUNCIL HAD RECOMMENDED SEVERAL OF WHAT I FELT WERE KEY STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN PEOPLE BROUGHT PROJECTS IN FRONT OF -- ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING. ONE OF THOSE IS IS THE PIECE OF LAND PROPERLY ZONED FOR WHAT THAT DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD? AND IF IT W,HAT'S OKAY. BUT WHEN IT IS NOT, SAYING THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS SQUARE PEG OF A PROJECT AND DRIVE IT INTO THIS ROUND HOLE AND IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN THE COURTS, TO ME HAS A REAL SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM TO IT. AND SO I HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PUSHBACK ON DRIVING SQUARE PEGS IN ROUND HOLES. BASICALLY WHAT I MEAN IS IT DOESN'T FIT THE ZONING. THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT CAN BE ZONED IN THAT MANNER AND YET THE IMPETUS I I'M GOING TO FORCE IT. SO I THINK ZONING IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CRITERIA IN ANY KIND OF APPLICATION THAT COMES FORWARD ON ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT IS FOR A 9% TAX CREDIT OR 4% TAX CREDIT OR THERE'S NO TAX CREDIT AT ALL, IT'S SIMPLY GOING THROUGH THE REGULAR ZONING PROCESS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I DO AGREE THAT THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION MAY NOT HAVE THE SKILLS AND CAPABILITIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ZONING IS. BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT WE HAVE A PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND JUST HAVING A MEETING WITH THEM AND SAYING, WELL, I HAD THE MEETING BUT THEY DISAGREED WITH WHAT I HAD TO SAY, BUT WE HAD THE MEETING. THAT'S NOT A CHECK BOX TO ME. AND SO I THINK ZONING IS IMPORTANT. I THINK LOCAL DEVELOPERS ARE IMPORTANT AND THE REASON I FEEL LOCAL DEVELOPERS ARE IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE IN. AND IF THEY'RE NOT VESTED IN THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE IN, WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED, NOT ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY HERE BUT OTHER COMMUNITIES AND IN DISCUSSIONS THAT'VE H WITH PEERS IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE STATE AND IN THE NATION IS THE EXCESS RESERVES OR THE EXCESS CAPITAL AT EACH QUARTER IS GOING TO GET SCRAPED OFF AND PLACED WITHIN AN LLC OF THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT AND IT WILL NOT BE USED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER. IT IS SIMPLY PROFITS TO THEIR CORPORATION AND THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT IT BEING REINVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY LOCAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT MIGHT BE INVESTING IN NONPROFITS THAT DO WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO THE TENANTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VESTED INTEREST, THEIR VESTED INTEREST IS TO MOVE THE CAPITAL INTO THEIR LLCs, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE SUBCHAPTER S CORPORATION SO IT IS NOT TAXABLE, AND THEN USE THAT AS BONUSES AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND BASICALLY THEY GET RICH OFF OF IT. I DON'T MIND THAT, THAT'S PURE CAPITALISM, BUT IT'S CAPITALISM ON THE BACK OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD SOME OF THAT. SO I HAVE A REAL CONCERN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS LOCAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND. BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IS THE WAY THE PROCESS WAS MANAGED, THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS WENT THROUGH AND THE DEVELOPER WENT THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE. WE ASK, AS A COMMISSION -- AS A COUNCIL, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS ON SOMETHING AND THERE WL BE N COMMUNICATION AND THERE WAS A MEMO TO THAT EFFECT. THERE WOULD BE NO COMMUNICATION TO ANY DEVELOPERS WHATSOEVER UNTIL WE MADE THAT DECISION, IF THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. BECAUSE WE HAD A SCHEDULED MEETING, THE PAST MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS ON NOVEMBER 14th AND YET ON NOVEMBER 11th A MEMO GOES OUT TO ALL THE DEVELOPERS THAT SAYS THE PROGRAM IS OPEN RIGHT AWAY. PUT YOUR APPLICATIONS IN. COME ON. SO IT WAS OUR DECISIONS OR ANY DECISIONS THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE ON THE 14th WAS USURPED BY A MEMO ON THE 11th AND I FIND THAT THAT, ALTHOUGH MAY HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE OR AN ERROR, IT ADDS TO MY FEELING OF THE CARELESSNESS OF THE PROGRAM, TO BE CANDID. THAT WAS A PROBLEM TO ME. OUR REQUEST TO THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST. OUR REQUEST WAS TO LOOK AT FOURR FIVE POINTS THAT WE FELT WERE IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL AND IMPORTANT TO THE PROCESS. THOSE REQUESTS WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION AND THEY DETERMINED THEY WERE GOING TO PRODUCE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO STUDY THOSE ITEMS AND BRING BACK THOSE DECISIONS TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. THE SUBCOMMITTEE NEVER MET. SUBCOMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET. SUBCOMMITTEE NEVER MET SO THE DECISIONS WERE LEFT UP TO THE ONE MEETING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE. I FIND THAT TO BE A PROBLEM. THE DECISIONS I DON'T THINK WERE THOROUGHLY UNDERSTOOD OR DISCUSSED BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN ONE MEETING. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE. THERE WAS NO GETTING TOGETHER WITH OTHER MEMBERS WITHIN STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE THINGS. AND SO IT KIND OF GOT WHAT I WOULD CALL WASHED UNDERNEATH THE TABLE. I THINK ALSO THERE ARE SOME SECONDARY FACTS WITHIN HERE TH I HAVE SEEN THAT I HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH ALL ALONG IN THE PROCESS. WE SAW IN 2019 SEVERAL DEVELOPERS CONTENDING FOR THEIR PROJECTS TO BE THE PROJECT AND RECEIVE ADDITIONAL POINTS FROM THE CITY FOR THAT PROJECT. WHEN THE COUNCIL COULDN'T COME TO A DECISION, THE COUNCIL BROKE INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE CAMERAS NEVER STOPPED. WHAT THE CAMERAS SHOWED AND WHAT I COULD SEE ON THE VIDEO WAS A COLLARATI BETWEEN ONE CORPORATION AND OUR STAFF TO DETERMINE HOW CAN WE MANAGE THE POINTS SO THAT THEY WOULD BE THE WINNING ENTITY, EVEN THOUGH THE COUNCIL WAS LEANING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND I DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS PROPER OR RIGHT. I HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT. AND RECENTLY I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THESE DECISIONS AREN'T PROPERLY MADE OR PROPERLY VETTED. AND SO I'VE HAD CONCERNSALL ALONG THE WAY. THAT IS WHY I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS PROGRAM IS NOT PROPERLY RUN AND THIS PROGRAM IS NOT PROPERLY MANAGED AND IT IS NOT FUNCTIONING THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD FUNCTION. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS THAT WE PLACE THIS PROGRAM ON A HIATUS UNTIL THE COUNCIL IS SATISFIED WITH US DEVELOPING A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT AND MANAGE AND THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS TO BRING IN AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THEN WRITE A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT. AND I THINK THAT INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT NEEDS TO EXAMINE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS PROGRAM AND HAVE KIND OF FREE REIGN TO TAKE A LOOK AND ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND GET RESULTS AND THEN WRITE A PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD BE PROUD OF AND WE COULD CALL A PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE IN 9% AND 4% TAX CREDITS. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WE'RE AT. SO THAT HAS BEEN REALLY MY CONCERN ALL ALONG THE WAY. I KNOW I VOICED THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF Y'ALL JUST IN SOME DETAIL BUT NOT ALL. MY PERSONAL FEELING IS IT JUST IS NOT FUNCTIONING THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO FUNCTION IN A CITY OF EXCELLENCE AND I CAN'T SUPPORT IT CONTINUING TO GO FORWARD UNTIL I CAN SEE THAT IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF. WHETHER THAT RUNS IN THE CURRENT DEPARTMENT OR WHETHER IT RUNS IN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME, IT SIMPLY NEEDS TO FUNCTION A WHOLE LOT BETTER. AND SO MY MOTION IS THAT WE PLACE THIS PROGRAM ON HIATUS UNTIL THE COUNCIL IS SATISFIED WITH A PROGRAM THAT IT CAN SUPPORT AND TAKE FORWARD. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Muns: NO, WE'LL JUST -- I THINK WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR. >> I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, IF IT IS. >> Mayor Muns: MARK'S GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. >> Israelson: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WANT TO STOP AT A MOMENT, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK IN THE RECENT COMMENTS BUT PLEASE HEAR ME CLEARLY. IF THERE ARE COMMUNICATION ISSUES, THEY STOP WITH ME. IF THERE ARE MANAGEMENT ISSUES, THEY STOP WITH ME. SO IF COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THAT A PROGRAM IS BEING RUN, PLEASE GET WITH ME AND WE ARE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THIS, AS COUNCILMAN GRADY AND I HAVE SPENT HOURS DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE. AND MY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO UNDERSTAND COUNCIL AND YOUR DIRECTION. AND CLARITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE THAT THE CITY IS SEEKING AND IT'S OUR JOB TO DELIVER ON THOSE. SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT'S FALLING SHORT, I WILL TELL YOU IT RESTS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WE WILL FIND A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT. WE WILL SPEND THE NEXT YEAR STUDYING AS HARD AS WE CAN WITH OPEN MINDSNDPEN HEARTS. WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING THAT FORWARD IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE ORGANIZATION, THE COUNCIL, AND THE COMMUNITY. AND WE WILL DO SO IN THE MOST PROFESSIONAL WAY THAT WE CAN. BUT IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY ISSUE UP TO THIS POINT, IT LIES WITH ME AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE WELCOME TO CONTACT ME AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT AND I WILL LISTEN TO EVERY CONCERN THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: ARE WE ALL CLEAR HERE? I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS ANY MORE? >> Ricciardelli: I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THIS YET. THANK YOU. SO I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF A HIATUS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM AND REEVALUATE HOW WE ADMINISTER IT. I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL GIVEN THE FACT THAT OUR EXCELLENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF, WHICH I THINK DOES A GREAT JOB, I KNOW HAS A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS PENDING, YOU KNOW, REGARDING STRs, REGARDING PROPERTY STANDARDS ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY'RE STRETCHED THIN ALREADY SO I THINK EXPECTING A SHORT TURNAROUND ON A MAJOR OVERHAUL WOULD JUST NOT BE POSSIE SO I THINK A HIATUS IS A GOOD IDEA AND FOR THAT REASON, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EVALUATE HOW WE NOTIFY RESIDENTS ABOUT THESE APPLICATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD AN AWARD EARLIER TONIGHT FOR THE ZONING MAP AND THE ZONING ALERT SYSTEM THAT RESIDENTS CAN SIGN UP FOR IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE SAW EARLIER. WE SAW THAT NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HAVE WE AS A CITY STARTED CONSIDERING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WITH RESPECT TO CONCERTED REVITALIZATIONOINT WHICH WAS A CHANGE SPURRED BY THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCILMEMBER GRADY ALLUDED TO, BUT THE STATE CONSIDERS SEPARATE FROM THE CITY'S FEEDBACK NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK IN THIS PROCESS. I'M SURE WE'VE ALL HEARD -- I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE THAT úT. AND SO I THINK THAT JUST LIKE A ZONING CASE, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT SENDING OUT NOTICES WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, MAYBE A 500-FOOT RADIUS LIKE WE DO FOR A ZONING CASE. I THINK PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP FOR A ZONING ALERT SHOULD ALSO GET AN E-MAIL WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT -- THAT THEY WOULD GET AN E-MAIL ABOUT IF IT WERE A ZONING CASE INSTEAD OF A HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION. THAT WAY RESIDENTS CAN MEANINGFULLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK. I WANT TO AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF POINTS COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER MADE REGARDING THE $500 DECISION BEING AN ADDITIONAL DECISION BEYOND A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER GRADY SAID ABOUT GIVING PREFERENCE TO LOCAL DEVELOPERS. I THINK COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION DURING THIS HIATUS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. THERE ARE TWO IDEAS DISCUSSED. ONE WAS THE HIATUS AND ONE WAS THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT. I SUPPORT BOTH. >> THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER AND ANY SUGGESTIONS WE HAVE HERE GOES TO A CONSULTANT MAKING THOSE SUGGESTIONS BACK TO US. >> HOLD ON. COUNCIL, THE CONSULTANT NEEDS TO WORK WITH STAFF SO I COMPLETELY AGREE ON THE INDEPENDENCE AND A LOT OF THE DATA GATHERING BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORKS WITH STAFF AND THAT WE HAVE THOSE REPORTS WORKING BACK WITH US. I AGREE ON THE SIDE OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO ALL THE WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT I THINK THIS IDEA OF INDEPENDENC COMING BACK TO COUNCIL, I STILL THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A STAFF PERSON WORKING WITH THIS, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT OPEN OPPORTUNITY FOR IDEAS AND EXPRESSION OF CONCERNS. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I THINK WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR. ALL RIGHT. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE'RE ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED]