e e e e e e e e e 7 o'clock we'll call the White Bear Township board meeting to order for September 16th 2019 first item on the agenda is the approval of the agenda I gather Patrick we're adding 9A yes um Mr chair if pleases the board I'd like to add well you've got you received a supplement to 7A um a small change in that topic uh that's already existing on your agenda and then we'd also like to add 9A uh a discussion about the town's position on uh the Water Gremlin situation all right that it that's it uh do I have a motion to approve the agenda as amended move to approve as amended second that all in favor say I I I opposed that motion carries item number three is approval of payment of the bills move to approve I will second that all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries then we have uh need a motion to approve the minutes of September 4th 2019 Steve I understand you had some I had one small correction Mr staff handled it okay then move to approve with the uh minor correction for period do I have a second motion I will second that motion's made second all in favor say I I I all opposed all right moving on item number five consent agenda looks like we have seven of them if no one has any uh conflict with them I'd be looking for a motion to approve I will move to approve the consent agenda as submitted second all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries item number 8 a we have uh flow monitoring who's taken this one so there's been some discussion and I understand I was at the last meeting but uh regarding the flow monitoring and the proposals and the cost how the expenses was going to be paid Etc so what my suggestion would be is after talking to chat a little bit about the review he did and on the current jpa and that is we um just because for two reasons one is the uh review of the jpa with North Oaks and then also the timing at this point is getting late in the year so we'd have flow monitors out in November or first part of December and not knowing snow cold I'm going to make a recommendation that we just postpone it till next year and we can go forward with that I'll get the approval at that time get revised quotes to for 2020 and then bring that to your uh for your approval at that time do you have a rough idea what month I'm I'm guessing it has to be one actually I'd like to probably get it in if we can in uh March you know in the thaw April that would be when I propos to have them installed so I will be coming early okay 2020 so we won't run into this again next year the well it no we'll have this result okay so the the issue with a jpa you're going to work on over the winter to come to some understanding just so that our audience that listens to this what what what is the concern I mean our con I I'll State what my concern was it it's it's a charge that we're making sure that our that the inflow into our sewer system in general um we we need to know what what there is and then it's a question of how it how it gets fulfilled within the agreement as to who pays the costs is that fair yes okay and Chad you've had a chance to look over the joint power agreement Mr chair I have you might have copies and of it if you want to take a look at it I trust you all right well under the terms of the uh jpa all maintenance costs are just done on an annual basis as one lump sum the town does have the right to adjust the maintenance charges by resolution on an annual basis the last time that I could find that you did it was in 2017 when you adopted remember memorandum understanding which changed the costs uh at that time to 3692 for sanitary sewer only and 3715 for sanitary sewer and water now that's quarterly and as far as I can tell that's per household in North Oaks so if you what you could do is you could simply adjust your quarterly charge accordingly to take into account if the amount you're going to be uh expending would this be considered something besides maintenance no well I Mr chair I don't I would say no because the master agreement doesn't the master jpa does not allow for specific charges it just says maintenance charge only and this would appear to me to be a maintenance charge only so we'd have to figure out a fair and Equitable way of Distributing that cost per resident for North Oaks per unit per unit yes and I and I think uh I think Dale's recommendation for for stalling this into the spring gives us an appropriate time to reapo that and give you time to meet with more folks and show them where we're coming from and they've got some transition issues now too so but yes we will we will approach them in that manner and at the same time uh going forward uh our our Centerville Road line that's what we're talking correct the Centerville Road line there's been talk of other of another municipality or others may want to connect into us so I mean it it goes forward to knowing how we're going to handle these into the future and come up with a plan so that the the costs of that are not borne by Township citizens okay Mr chair just so we're clear I'm looking at section g our paragraph G of section 6 and this is charges for maintenance simply says the charges for maintenance and repairs performed pursuant to this agreement shall be at the rates established and attached addendum 2 that's where you establish all your costs and addendum two is strictly quarterly so so would this be a one-time quarterly charge we' go have to change our back to a different billing cycle just to pick up the cost of the monitoring I'm not sure how we you could if you want it does the way the way your agreement is drafted is the township has the ability has the power to Simply adjust its cost on an annual basis just adjust the maintenance fees on an annual basis so you could adjust it up for one year and adjust it back down again if you wanted to well so North Oaks could understand it too so they don't we don't have an issue with the resident seeing this huge jump forever yeah well and again the in 2017 we did your last adjustment that I know of of your maintenance charges you did negoti you did talk to the the town the city first before you made the adjustments so it was a mutual agreement between the two right and we can do an amendment to the existing jpa that reflects that that that sunsets at the end of the year essentially right and that's a good point because the last time when we did the memor of understanding the recommendation from Patrick Kelly was that there should be an amendment done to the agreement all right any other questions the only other question I have is this flow monitoring how often is that done well I we'll do I think this will be like you know probably every five years once they uh add other improvements we'll probably want to do some more verification of flows okay but is this is not a yearly thing then okay and for now it would be just a couple months correct when we do it just for two months yeah all right so your recommendation is just a table list till spring yes actually the the amendment reflecting the the rate change will be approached probably uh in December yeah oh right but the actual project itself will stall until probably March or April there's nothing in the agreement as to when you when you have to make the change it's just says annually that's all it says so strikes me that December would be the right time to do it all right so you're looking for a motion to table upon uh staff and North Oak's compliance with the GPA and sure all right yes sir so I will move to table this motion until staff and North Oaks have their jpa second second motions made in second all in favor say I I I I all opposed that motion carries item number S A we have a public hearing uh this is for improvement 2019-3 General obligation Bond funding um I would be looking for a motion to wave the reading KN it's been properly published I'll move to wave the reading as properly published I'll second that motion's made and seconded all in favor say I I I and I need a motion to open the public hearing move to open the public hearing we will second that motion May second all in favor say I I I I uh you taking this one Patrick are you going to send it over to our the experts resident expert yes results good evening I'm Paul Steinman with Baker Tilly formerly Springstead we had competitive bids taken in our offices this morning at 10: a.m. for your bonds you offered a million excuse me a, 305,000 in general obligation Improvement bonds and uh you had as you can see if you want to count all those on the left hand side there you had 24 total Underwriters that had an interest in buying uh your bonds they did roll up into two bids um syndicated under Robert be with one bid at 2.01% and that's the uh that was the best true interest rate the winning bid um along with these bids came premium bonds so pre a premium premium bonds basically means that you end up getting another source of funds in this case it was about $94,000 so um we in working with your staff had determined that we would downsize the amount you needed to borrow that's good and keep that $94,000 so you end up with exactly the same amount of money you need in your construction fund to do your project you just borrow less money to get there uh which is a good thing so you're ultimate ultimately your borrowing this morning was a, 210,000 down from a mil3 305,000 and I'll just make a couple comments quickly about the rating report um so we we worked with uh your staff Mr Kelly Mr Christopherson to to uh have a conference call with Moody's and they reaffirmed your double A2 rating which is an excellent Bond rating and I'll just read for a couple of factors from their report um the the I'll read the positives and the negatives I have to balance those two things so the the the factors here uh in wiper Township that could lead to an upgrade material tax-based growth or economic expansion pretty simple uh the factors that could lead to a downgrade uh deterioration of your tax base and uh material declines in your reserves or your liquidity or increasing your leverage borrowing too much more money so those are the three factors that could lead to a downgrade so the up the upside again is your that they reaffirmed your able A2 rating which is uh an excellent rating for a city town of your size so going back to the bids again there were two bids and uh the the winning bid was from Robert W company at a at a revised true interest rate after um the revisions and the reduction of the par in the amount of 2.02% and so my recommendation is to award the bonds to Robert W be and Company and I'm happy to take any questions Scot we should be very happy with the change in our information this evening this is yeah yeah and I'll just add to that thank you Mr Christopherson so we when we had made estimates of the rates four weeks ago when we when I was here uh we we were the the market was aiming lower but we that the estimate at that time was five basis points 5 hundredths of 1% lower than today's bids so basically right right on where we were today so good really good bids and a good time to be in the market as an issue a bit unusual to have this many people interested in this I mean there there's a number yeah not not really we see a lot more people lining up underneath uh in the form of a syndicated bid rather than bidding themselves um so Robert W be usually carries a whole big group of people with them uh I mean the point here is all of these folks looked at your bonds and wanted to buy um and resell parts of parts of this issue so that that's the positive takeaway well this looks good for the township very good see you got anything nope all right thanks Paul go forward thank you um if there's no other questions of Staff of Paul I would look for a motion to open the public comment portion I'll move to open the public comment portion of this hearing I'll second that all in favor say I I I I all oppos mean if there's anybody in the audience that would like to speak to uh this issue going once going twice hearing none uh look for a motion to close the public portion I'll move to close the public portion of the hearing I'll second that motion made and second all in favor say I I I I all right uh any other comments questions all right we haven't done this in a while have we Tom your supplement is uh R got to introduce yourself Tom Tom Kelly finance officer uh in your supplement is the revised resolution with the correct uh dollar amount it's the same as what was in your packet with the reduced dollar amount as Paul had stated that we reduce the bond issue all right so we have to note this when we make our motion because this has been revised correct Y correct sir all right any questions to Tom no thank Tom all right hearing none do I have a motion to approve our bond obligation I will make the motion to based on the approve it based on the bond attorney and staff review and recommendation adopt the resolution awarding the sale of 1 1 1 million $210,000 General obligation Improvement bonds series 2019a fixing their form and specifications directing their execution and delivery and providing for their payment I will second that motions made in second all in favor say I I I I all opposed that motion carries we have a project I was going to say sorry stepped on your touchdown call get moving okay you hear that Jim yep Co all right uh moving on item number 7B this is also a public hearing for SMC on cerville road again I would like to ask for a motion to wave the reading KN it's been properly published I'll move to wave the reading knowing it was properly published I'll second that motion's made second favor say I I I that motion carries uh motion to open the public portion the public hearing sorry move to open the public hearing I'll second that favor say I I I we opposed all right Tom yeah JMC corporation is located on Centerville Road just south of Schwing America not too far to S far south of County Road J in the Whitebeard Township theater they currently have two build buildings fronting on Centerville Road and they've come to the town today to ask approval of several permits uh to add an addition of building in this location on the property this is 35e right here against Centerville Road uh and they're also doing some site Master planning with future plans for an office building of approximately 30,000 square ft and then in addition onto the second building those are planned in the future but what we're focusing on today would be site improvements and construction of a building right here uh which is proposed to be 121,700 C for expansion of their business several approvals are required of the town for this particular project uh a couple of which require the hearing go to a more focused site plan here uh specifically there's a minor subdivision request which would change the designation of this entire property right here which is currently considered an outlot they would be replat in that into a uh lot one block one of the SMC second edition I believe is the name of it that requires approval of a minor subdivision basically you're not changing any lot lines they're just designating this as uh the lot one uh versus an outlot the second permit being requested is a wetland permit uh that would be to fill and mitigate Wetland on the property third request is for permitted use standards permit and that would be to permit the site improvements and the building construction and they also had initially res requested a zoning ordinance Amendment I'll go over each of those individually there mentioned the minor subdivision so again that is to change out lot a into lot one for the Wetland permit this is the first time the town has had a wetland permit request in I think 10 years is what we looked at and on the site they have existing almost 160,000 Square ft of area covered by Wetland they would like to fill uh 63,9 28 square ft of that Wetland but would be required to replace that at a 1:1 ratio uh actually a 2:1 ratio by providing additional Wetlands providing Wetland buffers and also they're proposing to purchase Wetland credits which means Buy buying Wetland credits from another individual or company who has created Wetlands on their property uh above and beyond what they would have been required to in their development uh proposal or simply just created wetland in in uh in anticipation of selling the credits to somebody who might need them so it's a three-step process U Tom just quick when you when you talk about buying Wetland credit does it have to be in a certain vicinity does it have to be a bent does it have to be yes it should be within the Watershed District okay and applicants can address uh the details on that also um so what they're proposing to do again filling 63,9 28 square ft but creating new Wetland 11 15,220 ft in area and that's on site here that would be the shaded areas this is the existing Wetland here um I'll jump back to another plan real quick showing the location of the wetlands being filled here here here little Wetland area in here too so those are the ones that are proposed to be filled and then creating these Wetlands here some Upland buffers which means they could not be developed they're property adjacent to a wetland that would be uh design ated as a wetland buffer in this area here and here a little over here also and then the Wetland credit purchase would be the last way to to come up with that 2:1 Wetland ratio uh besides the town's permitting requirements uh Bal the local Watershed District reviews and approves they don't approve a permit for the work itself but they do review the Wetland mitigation and uh they have accepted that also the Army Corps of Engineers is involved and they will have to issue a permit for this uh particular project I believe those are both still in process uh next permit being requested is the zoning ordinance men was requested because they wanted to place the road here and the building a little bit closer to this property line then the ordinance permits what you have is industrially zoned proper in this neighborhood here but this particular property has an old Farmstead up front so it's utilized as a residence the back portion is vacant but it is zoned and longterm was planned for Industrial Development but when you have a situation like that when there's an industrial property a budding of residential property whether it's zoned or used that requires increased setbacks for the driveway and for the building so this was reviewed by the Planning Commission and they recommended that no zoning ordinance amendment is necessary for this case and that's primarily because this portion of the property is vacant so it's really not residentially used it's not residentially zoned therefore the setbacks that they were proposing did not in their opinion require uh adoption of a zoning ordinance amendment that would change those setbacks to meet with they're proposing so uh no action was taken or the action taken by the Planning Commission was not to recommend any zoning ordinance amendments and and what were those numbers again for setback yeah let's see well 15.280 would be 20 ft the building uh the requirement would be 70 ft and what they are proposing is 50.8 Ft but now that it's industrial adjoining them they're still within the the ordinance yeah the opinion is because this portion of this property is vacant it's not quote unquote residentially used it's not residentially zoned therefore those requirements should not apply so no change requested to the ordinance which was what was contemplated Scott you look confused no I I'm ask I'm thinking through a question thank you for reading my face so you've said a couple times that it's zoned industrial there's no residential and therefore the setback doesn't apply what if there was an industrial building in that lot right now their setback would be 15 ft for either a building or a drive lane okay and so the setback would be 20 only if it was residential correct okay for the drive lane okay yep thank you I'll try and keep my face a little more oh that's good cuz I I you don't play poker much I was confusing myself as part of this so I think we're okay the final permit uh being requested for this proposal is a permitted use standards permit the permitted use is for uh what the town uses to adopt uh site plan approval building plan approval so that's what's requested for this uh new building and the site improvements um so along with these uh plans submitted come with other plans such as a landscaping plan with minimum quantity requirements based on the square footage of the site or the square footage of the buildings or I'm sorry the lineal footage of the site or the square footage of the building so they've submitted a landcaping plan that does meet the requirements uh parking requirements based on size of buildings those as proposed are being met uh historically we've looked at this when this property was vacant you've got the vacant well at when it was vacant you've got vacant property to the south of here and again the indust or the residential property in the middle here long term we had looked at maybe constructing a public looped Road through this property looping around and connecting back to Centerville Road that would have gone through the North Oaks company property to the South SMC would prefer not to do that at this point they would like to keep this road Private which is currently private now when this was constructed it was constructed to Township standards as a public road um but remains private uh we had them build them to those standards again in anticipation that longterm this would be a public road so that uh with this proposal is off the table it's a culdesac on a private Drive um which would stop right here the township does not maintain it Township does not maintain it okay so that won't be part of the pavement management plan no pavement management issue there the initial plan showed some grading in this corner of the property going off site onto the seanol property next door the updated plan does not show any grading off site now it does show uh an arrow this put this plant up they does show that in event of a 100-year storm event that water could potentially what what what it's planned to do is run along the curb right in here and then land in these storm water treatment ponds but in the event of a very large rainfall some of the water could overflow the curb right here and flow South onto the property however it's designed so if this happens the current runoff on the property that's happening just as it is today undeveloped it would not be any more than that and it cannot be any more than that so designed to meet storm water requirements so that was cleaned up and no gradings proposed off site there originally a retaining while was planned there both of those have come out of the plan Tom what did you say at the end after turns the corner saying overflow then your voice dropped down I didn't hear you uh natural drainage flows this way in the event of a large storm it could overtop the curb and flow onto your property but it would not do it on a rate greater than what's currently happening today in an undeveloped State that's how the plan was designed we we'll give you a chance R to comment on all that for you okay okay so uh plan revision this this plan represents the the revised plan that was R reviewed by the Planning Commission in August they took two meetings they actually met on site the second time uh a couple days after the original Planning Commission meeting came back to the office and made recomend commendations uh they did recommend approval of the Wetland permit the uh permitted use standards permit and the subdivision but again recommended no action on the zoning ordinance amendment that was requested since that time we've been having some discussions with engineering and there are a few engineering related items that are still to be addressed uh primarily in this area right here we're struggling a little bit with the setback uh as you can see structures Road being proposed to be constructed up to this point right here a retaining wall is planned right at the edge of the Wetland with the new Wetland being created around the existing Wetland now when you have a structure you should have a 20ft setback between that structure and the edge of a wetland this was not designed with a 20t buffer it's just Upland retaining wall dropping into new Wetland so we've been struggling a little bit how to how to process that should it be allowed should it should we require that setback Vol has reviewed this Vol is the local water management organization or the Wetland Authority in this case they have reviewed the Wetland mitigation plan and they've accepted it is my understanding so they're okay with what's proposed here and this is still going to be reviewed by the you said the Army Corps of Engineers Army Corps of Engineers must submit a permit I don't believe that's been okay so it's under review Theos you said you believe they is that I guess they have accepted it as they've accepted the Wetland delineation rep yeah from here uh we'll give you just a minute when we're ready with Tom we'll uh keep the answer ready okay okay so I guess in summary Planning Commission has reviewed recommended approval of permits typically when that happens the staff puts together a zoning certificate assuming that the town board following the planning commission's recommendation would adopt or approve the various permits with a couple of outstanding issues we did not prepare that document tonight so uh staff's opinion is we're just not quite ready to say if we're going to approve this thing to approve it tonight um but we think within the next couple weeks we'll have everything ironed out all right Jim do you want to address some of your concerns or yeah I think um well Mr chair members of the board we got a some components both just designed wise that we need to have addressed for the storm pipes and some of the drainage uh also with se's review there's more hydrology information that needs to be done um overall probably our biggest item is the buffer requirement that's not being through this design is not meeting our requirement for that so we have the buffer you're talking about is for the the buffer up by the new Wetland correct the uh the new Wetland is going immediately is increased me immediately up to the retaining wall and then the drive lane and the parking to the north and I obvious there's a list of of permits that need to be a achieved through mindat Ramsey County Army Corps of Engineers utility extensions as I said SE is also put together theirs um we have storm sewer was designed through a 5year design and our requirement is through a 10year and then we have some filtration base and design items that we would want to address but overall the probably the the major component of are we meeting Township requirements would be that there's a zero buffer along that entire stretch and it has a retaining wall that ranges from 3 feet to almost 6 feet along that whole stretch which we discussed would not be what we would want want as a Township Road but that appears to not be uh even anything proposed we would recommend that this would never become a public road to this design part of the reason for the buffer is just part of it are just snow plowing so you're not actually rolling salt and sand also into that pond or I think there's a a lot of components into it and yes all right any other question questions of Tom or Jim uh I did have one question on and I noticed that there was supposed to be there will be a continuation for 6 months on the hearing um and then we may have to continue it again because of the wetlands what happens with Wetlands is it's a an amendment to the zoning ordinance all wetlands have an O Wetland overlay District established over those so what you're doing when you fill a wetland is you're changing the zone so it's a rezoning so the the Wetland area that's remains as Wetland continues to be zoned Wetland overlay but the area that's been filled is no longer a wetland so that's a change to the zoning District or a zoning ordinance Amendment so that's how the town has processed historically wetman permits that make sense well do you think between staff and the applicants all this can be resolved in two weeks for next uh the next downard meeting I think so yes it's a 3- week I believe separation yeah there's three weeks between I noticed that the tkda letter was dated like what last Thursday um has have the applicants even had a chance to respond or look at it um so that would be one of my questions and the S SE I see is from August so well that and are we running into the 60-day timeline we're okay until the August meeting on the 60-day time timeline octo October it's September okay thank you all right I know the applicants are here um I don't know if you have a group effort here or somebody wants to speak about some of these concerns or want to let anyone else speak in advance so we could respond to those comments you come up to the podium just introduce yourself good evening Mr chair uh supervisors staff um we've been working on this property for some time my name's Clark Wickland with L engineering what was your name uh Clark Wickland uh I participated in this process from its beginning I actually participated in potential development plans for the property back in 2000 2007 I believe uh for another developer that was looking at it so I do have a little bit of history on the property um as Tom had shared there's really only two items as far as I'm aware that require uh some discussion and the one I think that uh Mr St sadinsky touched on is the uh buffer to the Wetland uh I can assure you we discussed that matter at length uh with the Army Corps uh with the DNR or Bowser uh also with laml who has perit Authority for for foring waa and they accepted that as a condition since there wouldn't be opportunity to essentially mow or get down into the Wetland area where you would typically have a buffer uh the army corpes or vammo desire the board of managers desire is to do as much on-site uh mitigation as possible uh and that is uh part of the reason they were willing to accept that uh there is is an option of purchasing more off-site credits but again vammo is not in favor of that they would prefer that it all be done on site um such so that's the reason for what that is and again it was discussed at length um vammo I believe issued a letter to the township uh just recently on the 13th of September they've essentially approved all of the project for rate control water quality uh infiltration or volume reduction uh and Wetland impacts Wetland mitigation so they're satisfied with the project and we worked with them for a period of about 3 to four months uh we did speak with the Army Corps today uh they are expected to issue their uh oh I forget the name of the letter individual permit Pard me it's called an individual permit individual permit uh uh yet this month so um I'll assure you in terms of projects of this nature uh what we experience with the Army Corps was very favorable and to with Bowser so uh I would say this application's in a very good position with the other three agencies so I guess I would say that in regards to Wetlands um you know in regards to the overall project I don't want to get into too much here in a narrative but the applicant you know there was uh there are more Wetlands on this property because of uh a ditch being filled back in the early 90 s uh they've accepted the fact that there's now as many as you know twice as many Wetlands on here uh they didn't ask for an exemption uh they didn't ask for anyone to take care of the issue uh this application proposed to provide for it and they provide and they are uh providing for the expense of that so I think that's very generous of the applicant not pursuing other options regards to the review memos I got all kinds of exhibits here and stuff but I'm not going to put them up there unless you guys ask for clarity um regards to the review memos of tkda yeah the one uh the issued a three-page comment letter a handful of them are statements the one is really that we discussed with Tom today is the uh the buffer matter uh and what does the board or what does the township want to do like I say the other three agencies were satisfied with what was proposed um I didn't see anything more on the tkda memo that was of significance we did meet with the township today to discuss these items um so I don't know how much of this to really make reference to uh there was an SE memo also that spoke of I think they had five review comments four of them are two of them are pertaining to the mpds Swip permit things we have to do to get that permit that's regulated by the state we'll do that um they speak to Wetlands but they do speak to water quality which is the which was the basis for their recommendation uh to not approve and they want an updated hydrologic model of a condition with a certain tweaking to the modeling of all my projects I've got going this year or probably three years prior there will probably be no project with greater water quality than this project and it's not because the applicant said you know do something extra we just can't get water off of this site so I don't want to fool anyone to tell you we're going to you know because of X Y and Z we thought to do more there's just a practical difficulty to get water off of the site and when water sits on a property for a longer period of time the quality of what comes off is better so the modeling will show that there's no issues with the water quality again that's been accepted by vammo um they were satisfied with it for that for just that reason um I recited a few things here I feel like I'm right rambling I don't know how much more to add I'll think I'll stop myself and answer any questions anyone should have no I'm really why don't we tell and listen a little more no all right thanks clar thank you all right at this time I look for a motion to open open it up for public comment I'll move to open it for public comment I will second Mo B second all in favor say I hi hi all right I know the neighbor uh Mr stear if you'd like to come up uh state your name and your address and yes I'm Ry benal I own the 10 acres just south of the new development there and uh you have approval from the Planning Commission but that was predicated on putting a retaining wall where our border is and that just disappeared there's no retaining wall and retaining wall where you want to show that right in that corner and until it starts to rise coming up and it just disappeared they they promised it at the Planning Commission meeting our that our our issue is we don't want to take uh the excess runoff if this system doesn't hold in other words what they're banking on how high is that curb that goes along the parking lot 5 in six 5 six in 5 six Ines so if in a 100-year storm that doesn't make that right angle turn coming down that hill to head out to that pond it comes our way and they keep saying uh we're not going to shed any more water than was shed before well we're not getting water we haven't gotten water since the last development period and that's the truth now um I don't see how they cannot all right the other thing is the elevation can you point to that Tom the elevation of where the curb is to where the lay of our land is is I believe 7 ft and that has to drop 7 ft in in in just a tad over 15 ft of distance so it has to drop one foot for every 2 fet that they have available so that's going to be a very sharp drop so if you have any water come over that curb it's going to cut out that s Hill and then it's going to cut out us too I don't know how you can decide on a a plan that's going to stop water with a 6in curb on a 100-year storm except if Karen and I accept the fact that we will that we're going to take their excess run run off on a 100e storm how many times do we have 100e storms we have 100e storms all the time in fact in uh August we had 5.5 in of rain in September it was followed up with 3.3 in of rain now if all those ponds and holding ponds were filled by the 5 and 1/2 in rain or 5.5 in Rain how much water would be shed on the 3.3 next time and to say nothing of a 100-year storm neither of them are 100e storms 6.6 within 24 hours is a 100e storm and can you imagine a 100-year storm turning a right angle on a 6-in crew it's not going to happen it's just not going to happen and there the other plan had an arrow or maybe it's still there it's still there has an arrow and then if you look at the at the at the description of things it says the oh jeez what is it called excess over outflow outflow emergency outflow location where the emergency outflow location and how many times is a 6 in five or 6 inch curb going hold a rainfall whether it's a 100-year storm or not when it comes down and makes a right angle turn to head head north there I don't believe that's going to work and they promised that there would be a retaining wall put in there to mitigate that it's gone does the retaining wall start at that 6in curb and get Coler going that way again there's no retaining wall proposed I thought there was that's I thought I heard further north yeah this is where the retaining wall was the Wetland right I thought there was one alone that proper L the original plan did show a little retaining wall here no the original we were grading onto a site and since we've added a retaining wall just north of the property line we about 3 and half ft so there is a retaining wall proposed in here was one before to W El there really oh so there is a read you don't you see that we're we're talking we're still talking on next to their property so those little plans are just so hard this is one in fut skill so this G area is that so actually drainage things are so flat here in the truck dock that it's it's not going to just follow the curb there going to be sheet drainage through this this whole area which is um probably about 80 ft and we we'll drain down towards that infiltration now there one of these lines indicates retaining well you can see the top and bottom of the wall so this this gray here is is the is the wall itself what is it at 929 um well here's the top and bottom so it's 3 and 1/2 ft High here so it starts at zero 3 and 1/2 have three foot half well before we get into too much detail Mr Ste is this your only concern about the plan is this this one drainage issue well yeah because I think obviously you could meet with these folks uh at a later date and and make sure you guys are both clear on what's going on so you're comfortable with what they're doing I obviously we're not going to be able to setbacks are not a problem us because it appes to us too so I I mean if if it's if it's that's your main issue develop sure I think you folks can make sure that you guys are on the same page and you're comfortable with what's happening and we want to make sure normally almost all our developments water can't leave the property without designated where it's going and obviously we don't want to flood a neighbor so we want to make sure that you're comfortable with what they're doing yeah not comfortable yet well but if it's if it's a bunch of details that we're obviously not going to resolve right now but if you're comfortable with the final details of what they're doing what is your disposition on approval tonight well it sounds right now that we're not going to approve it tonight we'll probably move it on for at least two weeks right or whenever our next board meeting is weeks three weeks that that okay with you sure all right all right thank you no problem uh any other comments for this application uh hearing none i' look for a motion to close the public portion so moved second that all favor say I hi I all opposed all right if there are no other questions of Staff Town engineer or applicants I think I would be looking for a motion to table this for our next ex when is that October 7th I believe is it October 7th believe so October 7th okay yep and I think it sounds like all these issues can be resolved by then comforable that Mr chairman Bo um can I just ask for a clarification from Tom so if we don't have a the buffer do we have to take action or do we have a decision to be made tonight to either have a buffer or not have a buffer well it's up for discussion tonight clearly and we'll have to take action recognizing a variance from that section the ordinance be part of the zoning ordinance little time it's part part of the uh storm water management ordinance ordinance number 87 so it's not the zoning ordinance uh see I I don't think we're prepared to start making amendments to a no I don't think not tonight but I think you're going to have to draft something for us to look at for three weeks but so I mean that's that's our big item is are we uh using the buffer or are we not and that sure'll open Tony C Wetland scientist with aligned Engineering in Minneapolis I um I did the Wetland delineation and prepared the Wetland perit applications that were reviewed by vammo and and uh the core um just two things I want to point out one part of the motivation for the the the retaining wall uh is we have Wetlands right up to the edge in two locations we wanted to minimize our Wetland impacts by having a retaining wall instead having a a area fill um into the Wetland that would result in in more impacts you're talking in the north part now um Let me let me show you just so we're all on the same page MH okay so uh there's an area Wetland yes here and then along here this is this gray is existing Wetland um so the raining wall the intent is is to minimize our impact so uh the the VMO and the core they're looking as part of their review is how have we gone about uh Trying to minimize our Whitland impact so uh we we accomplished that by putting a retaining W along there um shows very clearly now uh the the gray here and here these are our existing Wetlands this green uh these are our mitigation Wetlands so they're the point I want to point out here um additionally we're you know our chain wall here this allows us to maximize our amount of a mitigation we're creating on site now typically when people think of wetlands we're thinking of like Cattails and standing water um reality is that the green will actually be what we call a wet Meadow so the it'll be saturated to the surface um at its wetest um but it won't have to really have standing water on it and so it'll be um grasses sedges wild flowers um but you're not going to have it's not going to just the retain wall isn't going to fall off into into standing water the blue areas we're we're designing those to be uh have a have a about six Ines of standing water uh but the remainder of the site again will be will be saturated to the surface at its wetest but not uh typically not going to have standing water and so I don't know if that maybe something to consider in terms of what is this going to look like when it actually gets constructed the reason why most of this is going to be uh just saturated the surface is uh that's the type of wetland that we're impacting and so we're trying to replace our impacting Wetlands uh with the same type of of wetland um on site well the reason I was concerned is I mean it originally it sounded like there was a pond right next to the road 6 feet down and a car could just drop off into so you're saying most of the water would never be more than 68 inches deep in the in the in these blue areas yeah six 6 in deep the green areas typically you never have standing water and normal you know it's it's real wet in the spring you have saturation to the surface in the spring uh we tend to have have coarser soils more little more Sandy soils there so that water table tends to to drop more during later in July and August and so you have a rain event water comes up to the surface but it's not going to there's just n of area here to have standing water out there I was looking at it more as a public safety issue that if somebody jumps that curb it's going to get ugly yeah it's stuck in the mud but they won't be underwater so all right did I clarify for you guys all right thanks Tony all right so uh it looks like I would be looking for a motion to table for a continuance till October 7th 7th table everything all three points just table the whole yep yeah this this whole well actually it would be continuance of the public hearing correct correct yep so I'll make a motion to uh continue the public hearing till the meeting on October 7th to discuss the um SMC 5800 5855 Centerville Road Project I will second that all right motions made and seconded all in favor say I I I opposed all right we'll see if f FKS back here all right moving on item number 8A we have a couple of financer finance officer items first one is a 2020 preliminary tax levy okay Mr chair and board uh staff has been hired at work on the budget uh as you know uh the first part of the budget Town residents did approve a preliminary Levy at the March annual meeting of just over 4,300,000 uh since then we've done some adjustments and uh we we met in a workshop uh with the board uh to get the tax levy down even lower uh so uh tonight you have before you a resolution approving our preliminary Levy uh at 4,1 15,928 uh the 4,1 15, 925 uh has three different parts it's got our general property tax levy of 3,781 647 uh then we have to add in our fiscal disparities amount of $ 33,8 186 and then uh based on accepting tonight's uh Bond resolution uh we will have a 2020 debt Levy of 65,0 392 and we haven't had a debt Levy the last uh 3 4 years so that's what makes up the four 4,1 15,928 our preliminary Levy was 3,786 uh 589 so uh this is about a 9% uh increase uh from last year's preliminary Levy and our final 2019 uh Levy was 3,403 and55 so uh it's quite a bit higher than uh the final uh which is typical uh not so much on the preliminary and with that I guess I'll just uh take any questions you may have Tom you broke the propos the preliminary amount into three sections the property tax fiscal disparities and the debt Levy I'm guessing and and I know you've also said it can go down as we continue to refine numbers I'm guessing the debt Levy is not going to change uh it it probably will about $2,400 based on the new numbers we got tonight $2,400 okay good good let's keep that's down right that's down down yes um how about the fiscal disparities fiscal disparities were locked into so that's not going to change so that's not going to change all right so then any other adjustments would be coming out of the property correct okay and obviously that $65,000 with a debt Levy is what percent of that nine that it went up from last year so if that wasn't there if we weren't bonding we'd be back down around seven yeah you'd be probably uh from last year's preliminary Levy yeah probably down around 7% 7 and a half well just so the residents understand that that part of the reason this jump is Road improvements yep yep and we're going to have we're going to see that every year now for a while so yep yes other questions to Tom and and I do understand that there's no delay on this because we have to have this ready by the end of this yes we we have to adopt a preliminary Levy uh and have it certified to Ramsey County by September 30th uh if we don't uh it defaults to our final Levy of 2019 um avoid that oh there's some pressure so that's why uh we need this approved uh tonight since this is your last meeting before the end of the month y and basically going forward the most likely is just F uh fine tuning of things that may be changed but not there's no wholesale things to take out of the proposed budget uh the only thing uh we can uh really Tinker with that would get us a substantial reduction is our equipment rental fees and some of the transfers we're doing for uh Road improvements for seal coating that sort of thing um they're going to have the biggest impact uh or bang for your buck if you will on the levy uh everything else is just kind of tinkering a few thousand here a few thousand there well I think the last meeting we when we talked about this I think Scott made a very good point that we don't want to kick things down the road that we're going to ultimately cost us more by delays so U I'm comfortable with where we are for tonight I think we beat it up last meeting [Laughter] we all right thanks Tom thanks Tom so well I would be looking for a motion to adopt the resolution for the preliminary all right I'll make a motion based on the finance officer's review and recommendation adopt the resolution adopting the preliminary amount to be raised by property taxes for the year 2020 I will second that motion made second and all in favor say I I all opposed and motion carries all right moving on 8 B the 2020 utility rates again uh the Utility Commission uh reviewed the utility rates over the summer uh they approved the rates that I'm presenting tonight uh at their July uh meeting uh basically uh we use uh last year's water usage to to uh kind of calculate out what our water uh usage will be for the various volume rates and we actually lowered them by 8% with the new meters uh going in and then uh the sewer rates that is also affected by that the new meters so uh we base the sewer rates on the water use in the winter quarter January through March and so plugging in those changes and then some of our uh projected uh Capital Improvements and uh increases uh in operating costs we came up with the rates that you would see on page uh 133 basically what uh we have is the water uh base rate would be increased from 2125 to 2175 per quarter the the tiered rates uh the two lower uh tiers would not change at all they would remain at uh from 0 to 20,000 gallons per thousand would stay at $2.35 uh 20,100 or 20,000 one gallon to 32,000 gallons would stay at two $2.60 per thousand and then the uh 32,1 gallon to 44,000 gallons would increase 2 cents to $340 and then anybody that uses over 44,000 gallons those rates are being increased from uh 575 per th000 to $6 uh per thousand uh likewise the irrigation rates uh are changing from uh for residential they would be $3 they were $3.38 they will now go up to $3 40 and then the commercial is currently at $4.20 per thousand would go up to $425 cents the sanitary sewer rates uh we're still playing a little bit of catchup uh on those uh but the base rate for residential uh properties is being increased from $51 per quarter to $52 and then the commercial base rate is going going from $ 4515 to 46 the volume rate for residential is increasing a dollar from $4 to $5 per thousand and then the commercial is going from $10 uh per thousand to uh $12.50 uh likewise our storm water uh rates are still playing catchup uh we've got a lot more storm projects that are going in and to cash flow those we are going to need uh additional funds so uh currently they are $21 per quarter and we are proposing those to increase to $22.50 and so uh again uh the Utility Commission reviewed these uh this will allow us to cash flow the next few years and actually hopefully start leveling off some of the increases uh for the S sanitary sewer in the storm water into the future much like uh the water rates are starting to to level off a little bit uh so tonight I'm asking you to approve these rates uh if approved uh they would go into effect uh with that first quarter billing in 2020 so the January February March billing Scott you said in on utility I did the uh rationals all make sense yes I will say that in the past there we used to go back and forth with Tom a lot when I was on the Utility Board um I won't say that that the group has softened up on him but I think that they have a they feel more comfortable with the with the logic that's being used and and uh as he keeps saying the cash flow that is projected it had been a couple years of playing catchup and also I think helping is getting syncing up the cycle of the Billings with the calendar and being able to see what's been pumped versus what's been sold and uh a lot of changes which I know Tom and Dale have been coordinating quite a bit on as well well part of this has got a lot to do with trying to conserve water we're we're only raising water rates for excessive users to try to curb that to meet our obligations with what's going on now and uh and we're also just trying to catch up on those depreciation numbers so all all I I know it it's heartburn for some people because it it seems to me we always keep creeping these things up but the cost of water is getting expensive well maintaining the infrastructure really is expensive yes and and there we've had some conversations recently uh about hookup charges and it's to cover help share spread the the the cost of maintaining the all the infrastructure which is a lot of moving Parts Steve got anything no I think it makes sense unfortunately all right thanks Tom all right so we would be looking at a motion to approve the rate hikes So based on Utility Commission and finance officer review and recommendation approve the utility rate changes as outlined in the attached memo that's a motion I didn't state that all right motion to me do I have a second I'll second that motion uh all in favor say I I I all oppos have motion carries moving on thanks Tom Town engineer we have item 8C is well number five C Pond improvements Mr chairman of the board uh Public Works has been working with us through this process we've been working with the mpca on the CIT fond that's behind well five out on Otter Lake Road um actually at this point uh we are have minimized our use of the pond so that we can perform this work and not have it full of water uh we went out for quotes we received uh two back from many applicants that took out the plans uh Joe Janetta and Suns was the low bidder they have performed work on this site in the past and throughout the township over the years uh their bid was $6,495 uh that work includes testing of the material removal of the material and to an allowed land site for that material so there's a lot of testing and paperwork and uh confirming that it is done appropriately and we will work with mpca throughout all of this activity so tonight uh we are looking for three motions to receive the quotes to award the project to Joe Janetta and then to authorize tkda for the construction observation and mpca coordination for amount uh not to exceed 2750 on this Pro project uh based uh upon discussions with the contractor and with staff everybody's wants to get moving on this so we can get our the work done before weather turns South and we can get our facility functioning at full capacity that is it is designed for we'll have to go through this again in about 3 to five years uh we we are looking at options um overall the well it s is meant to be our backup uh system uh this year we have run it due to other quality issues at the maximum we have been able to run it so we we are clearly and by far running it an excessive amount to what we plan to be using it for I don't know if Dale has any additional comments we we do see that we would not have this would be the most frequent that we should have to be cleaning this uh this is going to be our first time doing this with the facility functioning in its new Capac capity Jim does this project have anything to do with the work Public Works is doing along road now that is for the uh lift station activity so how close are they connected there you you can throw a a ball well if for residents have been driving by thinking we're doing something with it already want to make it very clear that it's a separate project and we have nothing to do with across the street we're not sending sewage into the into this SE fond I think that's clear yeah that's yes two two different projects doing two different things to correct they're just very close to each other all right any questions Jim Dale you got anything to add no I just concur with Jim we just uh using the plan at capacity due to some other water call water quality concerns and probably will be for a little bit longer here until we some options and obviously we've dealt with Janetta and Sons quite a bit so we're familiar with the contractor correct have you ever dealt with this new look Contracting uh yes uh not in the township but in other areas where are they from I mean they their bid is so they should be called overpriced contract over yeah are they there let's say that um there are biders out there that if they get the project for the amount they're giving us they would be happy to do the job in other words they got plenty of work and they just put a this was a okay all right that it so you want this uh motion broken down into three separate actions here I mean they could all it's just two be be one you only three two receive receive award author authorized oh yeah that we can skip that part that's okay all right to give him Authority on this I'll I'll move based on the town engineer review and recommendation to receive the quotes I'll second that motions P second and all in favor say I I I I opposed motion carries I'll move to award the quote to the lowest responsible company Janetta and suns in the amount of $ 26,45 second that motions made second all fa say I hi hi I all opposed and the third I'll move to authorize tkda to perform the construction observation process and the mpca coordination activities for an amount not to exceed $2,750 KN that funding is from the water operating funds I will second that all in favor say I I I opposed that motion carries all right moving on item 8D Town planner we have a minor subdivision request involving a couple of properties near the SMC site uh County Road J i35e Centerville Road is just over here so this is Imagine Theater formerly wake Bear Township theater this property right here this is Schwing America's property right here looking at a minor subdivision between the two Parcels uh the theater parking lot right here and the extent of their property this is a section line so County Section map line so ignore that it doesn't mean anything except on the mapping part and uh Northwood entertainment Imagine Theater looking at purchasing this little strip of property leading to the Township theater sign right here which has been in place uh since the building was constructed the theater building was constructed uh they utilized an easement from Schwing America to access the site uh the sign uh my understanding is that mot has a problem with maintaining of signs uh that are not owned by the property owner or something to that effect anyway what this is done is uh is uh uh the theater is looking at purchasing this strip of property right here so they have owned access to their sign and then can maintain it it's a minor subdivision a lot line rearrangement basically this is 61 Acres this piece of property and it's a minor subdivision that has been reviewed by the Planning Commission this is the formal uh paperwork for the subdivision so you can see the location of the sign right here again the parking lot lot was over here lot line creating a new lot this configuration right here so reviewed by the Planning Commission recommended for approval of a minor subdivision did they have just an agreement with Schwing previously to cross their property to maintain the sign I believe there was an easement uh yeah if you like come up introduce yourself yeah yeah my name is Dale Haider with Northwoods entertainment so the sign's been there for 24 years we wanted to take it down and change it and improve it and we found out that that's an illegal sign and it's been illegal for 24 years because it's considered a billboard and it's too close to the on-ramp so to make it a legal sign the property that it sits on must be continuous with what where our building is so therefore we had the easement just to get to the sign to work on it we now need to purchase the land to make it a legal sign or we must remove the sign completely to abide by m dos rules do you have to relocate it at all to make it more you can still go where it is it's just going to stay right where it's at it's just that now the property is going to be a joining continuous of our building property uh height everything else stays the same stays the same questions comments I was going to say as long as it's a it's an improvement to what's there today cuz it's been requested many many many times that it's not a it's an eyesore yep polls are going to be painted black sanded down and painted black the whole top section is going to come off with a new Square section coming on that says imagine entertainment with an electronic readerboard section below it Mr chair before you adopt this resolution I have a question for Tom uh is it a condition that they combine this with their existing tax parcel and make it one tax parcel whoa [Laughter] uh I don't know the answer to that Chad uh I'd recommend that you make that a condition of approval that this be combined with the existing properties that create one tax parcel otherwise once you you prove that you're creating a whole separate tax parcel and a landlocked parcel oh yeah and that as well true important I forgot about the landlock part too so that'd be my only suggestion Chad this is why we pay you the big bus for the minutia right that's right all right any other questions comments hearing none I would be looking for a motion for the minor subdivision request along with uh our attorney's addition I'll move based on the Planning Commission and staff review and recommendations approve the minor subdivision request for Northwood Woods entertainment LLC 1180 County Road j/ swing America 5900 Centerville Road to allow construction of a new pylon sign uh with the uh change as recommended by attorney for the uh single tax parcel I guess is what you want to call it combining to make one tax parcel into one tax parcel I'll second that motion made second and all in favor say I I I I all opposed all right there you go thank you thank you we love your theater though yeah amen app great addition hope'll see the sign this for no because the sign has been constructed and sitting in storage for 12 months already Believe It or Not wow terrific thanks is it does it have to meet our sign moving on Public Works director item 8e Ballfield groomer yes that you Dale yes yes it is so a little background on the on our ball field maintenance uh we you know we've got six ball fields in the township at three different locations there por Lakes Columbia and um Longville and in order to maintain those egg Li field egg lime Fields um both during the season and after um my Rec where town the public works department is looking to purchase a ball field drag equipment to drag that does all the uh has multiple it's a multiple multi-use piece of equipment it's a um a single it's a unique piece of equipment it's a single vender that provides it uh ABI force is the manufacturer um they have it's a unique Ballfield groomer multi-use uh tool with many optional attachments um they uh not only can drag the ball fields for uh daily preparation maintenance is a tangable tool attach that can be used for cutting all material aration edging seating build and the ability to be equipped with a laser ready technology to grade reestablish the grades on the slope on the ball field as the aine portion so it drains properly uh little bit background that with that maintenance since the Inception of uh or the development of Po Lakes Park it originally had been done by Field of Dreams was a a company that the township had contracted with to maintain they have since um I don't know went out of business then we ended up uh looking for another source and we ended up hiring District white bar Lake District School District 624 uh their maintenance uh team has been doing the field prep for our ball fields they don't necessarily drag them offseason spring and fall and really to uh keep the egg lime from egg lime is great fertilizer so everything grows weeds grow great everything so what I'm the reason I'm here tonight is to um get look for the board to approve this purchase of this ABI Force unit and it is the only manufacturer has it uh this type of ball field groomer it's a standup groomer and it has a lot of abilities where other groomers are single use or maybe one or two options you can do you can drag you can um aate but you can't really do all these other things cut and uh you know reestablish the the edges the ball field edges and whatnot so the staff had gone and demolded the unit at the city of Chanhassen it performed great they're impressed with all its abilities they are looking to purchase a second one the city of chance of course they're much larger have more field so makees sense but we're looking um so there are several other communities that they are called for references and they all uh were the force per performed beyond their expectations uh so what the staff is recommending is to purchase the 2019 ABI Force z23 SLT laser ready with attachments um from the supplier ABI they are again are the only manufacturer of this type of Ballfield groomer and the the purchase would be for $27,800 cost to the district for that annual maintenance now what I'm suggesting this next year is a transition where they do less of the maintenance we start doing more of it and then ultimately maybe the next year we just full take over the field prep and for b games and work with it will require some working with the district to get the scheduling um typically we don't have that schedule we can always get that and our staff would have to arrange to set the fields up chalk the lines drag chalk the lines batter's box all that good stuff and we can trailer unit around to the other two sites just like the district does with their equipment so the um again the staff is recommending the purchase from ABI for the U Force SZ 23 SLT and the attachments for 27801 from ABI attachments Incorporated so that is the recommendation by staff for this ball field gr yeah I happen to have actually GT showed me this thing when you guys were demoing it is the one I saw is that the one you're looking to purchase do they I mean it's not very big it's like a three-wheeler but oh no I'm sorry the one You' seen was the uh I want to say the Toro sand so this is a different manufacturer yeah this is a different manufacturer yep the that sand grimer has got a you know underbody blade and drag but it's not it doesn't have the all the abilities here this machine has a lot more abilities what's the lifespan of this piece of I was to ask what's the life well based on the use you we have only six Fields I would say we would have it for 10 years I mean the first save in $9,500 a year it only takes three years to catch up on the cost of the piece of equipment obviously that doesn't include our staff time staff time yeah so the the Air Raider part of this yes you can use that to air rate the outfields is that what this what you could use the Outfield and the grass infields you know because it's a smaller area this is this works in a much more confined space than the big airator that we use so you use a big airator out on the soccer fields or yes this would this would be to accommodate soccer fields more for infield infield are grass infields Etc yeah but I noticed you're getting a removable broadcast spreader with it it it just happens to be one of the attachments actually you know what that's pretty good price for the instead of what we were looking at what's what you guys want to buy right I figured you'd pick up on that no from my perspective it pays for itself in the long run MH no and I think too and like you said we can use it for more than four months out of the year I mean and it's got some versatility that we're not getting from uh the school district right now so right I guess all around this this one makes sense I give you that Dale that's makes sense I've always been hard on Dale every time he wants to spend money but not every time most oh yeah okay majority wait till the next one all right um yeah I'd be looking for a motion chair than you as part of the motion you should note that this is a unique piece of equipment and that there are no other sources of biders for such a piece of equipment yeah is normally under statute required to obtain more than one bid I think Dale you brought that up didn't you is there because it is only a unique vehicle to do do we have to have special Insurance on this thing does there come with any training to use it yeah the the the sales rep will come out okay yeah and we can always go to other the other communities that have it too there's lots of options but the guys are really comfortable with its operation and okay did you get that recommendation from I think I'm I think I could mess it up but I'll TR okay I I'll move based on staff review and recommendation accept the quote and approve the purchase of the 2019 ABA Force z23 SLT and attachments to the amount of $27,800 one with only that bid as it is unique piece of equipment with funding from the capital improve equipment fund I'll second that motions made in second all in favor say I hi all right close all right that was an easy one Dale now you want to buy a pickup was a replacement it's not an ad um so we have uh this year in the capital Improvement plan the 2019 2028 includes replacement number 32 uh it's a 2002 Ford F1 350 pickup um we have $30,000 budgeted for it this pickup is used daily to assist in maintenance staff full-time and seasonal performing routine M Public Works maintenance Act activities such as transporting mowers trash pickup playground equipment maintenance snow plowing Etc um the proposed replacement is a 2020 F Ford F250 4x4 pickup uh delivery of the pickup would be expected in early 2020 so I'm just looking because of this year's mod this year's models are already out in the 2020s we'd have to wait till after 2019 here to get deliver RIT at this point for the order uh and they did say could be possibly by December but I'm going to say I'm going to just be more comfortable saying in early 2020 so the um the the quotes we received for the uh three from three different vendors first one being Midway Ford commercial their quote was for 33,5 27 for the specified pickup uh 104 Ford was Apple Autos was 3,921 180 so staff's recommendation is to approve or approve the quote from Apple autos for the 39218 uh so the actions requested by Tom Bor is to accept the uh quotes and then uh approve the purchase from Apple Auto for 30,9 2180 going once I I thought I made a notation of it but one of these has a snowplow package which you want right because do they all have it yes they do okay I I guess only saw it on the one yeah I didn't see it on this other one this one first page of it 47 snow snowall package oh okay and is there any advantage deal of ordering it versus buying something off the lot obviously we get exactly what we want the unfortunately thing for a lot of the lot ones now they're more expensive Vehicles the ones that have sitting on the lot than the just order the the package that we've got proposed here you might end up with a few extras like a he don't take this the wrong way but why do they need cruise control I think that just comes with that you know how the packages are they just come with it it's hard if it was up to me I'd say roll down Windows uh rubber well I don't know if I want to go that far how did you get cruise control on your truck Ed the kids now don't even know what a crank is on a window hey wait a minute now Mr uh High Country yeah have to careful what you over there all right any questions to Dale no no uh any idea what this the replacement one is worth what I say we send that off to auction yeah um well I think this attemp right now is to keep it as a in like a na or NR I'm sorry not replaceable so we can use it for seasonal staff during the summer months until it gets to a point where it's inoperable well we don't get quite that far but it is to the point where we need to be how many miles R I'm sorry I want to say 70 H don't quote me on that 100% but what is plow miles just as in aside my former employer would have said that's just getting warmed up PL plow miles PL miles are tough all right uh any other question comments looks like you want this in uh two forms of a motion looks like yes receive the quotes and then approve should we give the authority to D make a three parts of the motion okay so I will move based on Public Works director review and recommendation to receive the quotes I'll second motions made in second all in favor say I I I all opposed that motion carries and based on Public Works director review and recommendation approve the quote from Apple Autos in the amount of $3,928 to replace pickup truck number 3 two with funding from the Capital Equipment fund motions made do I have a second second all in favor say I I I all opposed all right that motion carries all right that ends our agenda we have one added agenda item 9A water Gremlin yeah Mr chair if I may uh I've submitted a draft um for a position statement uh on behalf of the township regarding uh the Water gremlin and PCA uh issue this is to initiate discussion and conversation amongst the board as to where they would like to position themselves with this as it has been uh kind of a growing clamor for the for the township to um make their position known so I I what I would take right now are any kind of comments that you might have uh on what you have in front of you and I think Mr attorney will probably have some interpretation on Authority in this discussion as well well Well Chad do you have any objection of us reading this off the way it's stated or any additions or deletions I do not Patrick you want to do this or you want me to do it I can read it okay um I also have a suggestion for a change when I get to it as well that's another reason for you to do it okay um so here the wiper Township's position on the water Gremlin situation is as follows uh wiper Township's Board of Supervisors and staff have been monitoring the ongoing issues specific to water Gremlin since the MP CCA notified the public in January of 2019 the board has been dismayed to say the least at Water grin's failure to grasp the many opportunities it has been handed to succeed over the past eight months at this point the board will continue to observe the situation and defer to the rightful Authority the Minnesota Pollution Control agency as the agency has preemptive authority over the Township in these matters if there is a responsibility that falls upon the township as directed by the mpca we will act accordingly uh Mr chair I would submit to you one change uh rethought the word uh first paragraph last line uh where it says water gin's failure to grasp the many opportunities it has been handed to succeed I would change succeed to comply unless the board has a different opinion no also Patrick do you want to add into the mdh munot Department of Health should that be in there Mr attorney should I well as as part of the uh rightful Authority in paragraph two the primary Authority is the MPC but I think the M the minota Department of Health also has a role here too as well so I think I think it's a good idea I think we should at least put them and mention them okay um i' I'd make one other little tweak as long as you're tweaking sure in in and I believe this is the correct way to say it in your first paragraph where you you use the acronym mpca MH and down in the second paragraph you say the Minnesota Pollution Control agency you should flip those right and put in parenthesis behind the MP Minnesota Pollution Control agency parentheses mpca I know scary isn't it and the same if we're adding the Minnesota Department of Health then acronym for that can do so Chad I got a question and so the the the comment is that the mpca has a pre of authority which means they can overrule anything the township or they they have oversight where the township is on businesses in the township um I know we issue permits for construction and and a few years ago there was uh water Gremlin had wanted to expand um obviously I was on the edab at that time and and this this was not discussed we didn't know about it if we had known about it maybe we wouldn't have issued the permit I don't know but it would have been a part of the conversation but now that we know about it can we go back in time and remove that permit I mean I they built the building I guess but but we we what what can the township actually do at this point because the mpca under statute has total control over the issues of what chemicals are allowed to be used in the envir used and how they're uh handled within the environment and what they're allowed to the amount that's allowed to uh to enter the environment this town really has no role whatsoever the town could not condition any permits upon upon water G and reaching a certain level of emissions because that is strictly under the control of the mpca they have the term preemption is used but really what is in addition to that it's the U the mpca has uh has total control over the field is way to put it they control this the town can't the town could not create its own set of regulations regarding emissions is that both in the air and in the ground completely both in the air and in the ground in the environment period environment period okay air ground water doesn't make any difference all right any other questions of Chad um is this something we'll formally adopt something we want to put on the website uh I would do that I would also uh submit it to uh Whitebear press Would It Go in News and Views maybe sure bigger lettering bigger version of News and Views um it should have probably a date underneath it because your eight months is going to disappear and you're going to be it's going to be seen well after 8 months so right got it it could just say since the first of the year yeah you could do that 1 of January of 2019 anything else then it's then it's ongoing yeah uh nope obviously we'll just consider this accepted under action item number 11 uh seat of agenda materials yes okay all right any further discussion on this uh hearing none we're done with the agenda we are at open time I understand we have a guest would like to introduce himself pleas come up to a Podium your name and address uh thank you for the opportunity to be here my name is Randy Jessup I am a candidate for Ramsey County Commissioner and I will have to say uh Patrick kristopherson for the record I really appreciate your statement regarding uh the Water Gremlin situation I did attend the latest mpca update August 27th and was impressed by the number of residents that were in the audience that night this is clearly a a major concern a major issue uh for residents of Whitebear Township as well as I would say some of the additional cities around so I was very encouraged I will say that night uh to hear from the new commissioner for the mpca she clearly sees this as a major if not the top priority on her list for her agency and it was encouraging to see so many resources really applied upon this particular situation so uh hopefully that will improve the matters that the uh the company will will say comply as you have pointed out and to make sure that the the water is safe and also the environment is safe for all of the residents in the area so any event I just thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight to be with you and I I applaud in general your efforts but I do applaud uh the statement that you are coming up with for the Township in regards to water Gemma so thank you uh just one question Ry the the election for Rams County Commissioner is yes November thank you supervisor it is November 5th Tuesday November 5th on the ballot not only will the uh uh be the question raised regarding the commissioner race but also as I think many of you know there will be a couple of questions most likely regarding the school board and then also the bond referendum uh for White Bear Lake schools and I did have the opportunity to meet with the uh the supervisor uh last Friday and he took me through that and I will just say initially the uh the news reports came out you know with uh some of our our local media talking about how huge the 328 million Bond Levy is and yes it's a large amount but what the school district is seeking really puts it on a Level Playing Field with Bond levies that are in other school districts in the area and particular for me I live in moundsview the mview uh school district has a bond Levy out in that was established I want to say was 2017 uh for upgrading all of the schools there and what the White Bear Lake Schools is asking for is essentially the same amount as what was approved for Ms view the Roseville School District has a much higher Bond Levy than what the White Bear Lake schools are pursuing um none of us like increased taxes um I get that you know I I'm a small business person we want to look for the finances but I will say after after meeting with him and and and hearing why why and what is desired to be accomplished for not only now for the students but also for the students of the future I have to say I think they have done their homework and I as a as a candidate am going to be in favor of that Bond Levy referendum I'm not a voter for it I live in shiew but just from an outsider and having gone through the same experience for the msew school district I do think this is a good investment overall for this community and for the students of these residents all right thank you sure thank you thank you all right that ends okay item number 11 I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements all moved second second that motions made second all in favor say I I I all opposed motion to adjourn so moved we are adjourned at 9:4 I'll second that don't forget steeve I guess I assume you jumped the gun assume I assumed I couldn't resist I'm sorry thanks for