>>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT'S DECEMBER 1, 2025, THE 43rd MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL START WITH THE MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE FROM COUNCIL STAFF AT THE CHAMBERS ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS ON PERSON AND LIVE STREAMS ON GOVTV, THE GOVTV WEBSITE AND YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7:00 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WE WANT TONIGHT TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NO APPLAUSE SNAPPING OR OUTBURS. I WILL PROVIDE ONE WARNING, UPON THE SECONDORY CONTINUED DISRUPTION THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS AND SECURITY WILL ESCOURT YOU OUT. IF CONTINUED DISRUPTIONS OCCUR I MAY RECESS UNTIL ORDER IS RESTORED AND IF NECESSARY CLEAR THE CHAMBERS OF PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN THE DISTURBANCE. THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. TONIGHT WE HAVE NO PROCLAMATIONS. WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MS. BURNER, THE CITY ECONOMIST WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. A BRIEF UPDATE FOR YOU. THIS IS SEPTEMBER GRT WE HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. GRT GROWTH WAS SOLID FOR SEPTEMBER, GROWING 4% OVER PREVIOUS YEAR. NOT QUITE -- GROWTH IS 5.9%. WELL OVER THE EXPECTED 3.8% FOR THE YEAR. RETAIL THIS MONTH WAS A LITTLE BIT NEGATIVE, BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY SO. AND THE ONLY OTHER LARGE SECTORS SUCH AS OTHER SERVICES AND FOOD GROSS RECEIPTS WERE NEGATIVE. AND THEN, WE DON'T HAVE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT UP HERE. IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SHARE OF GRT, BUT THAT WAS NEGATIVE THIS MONTH AS WELL. MOVING TO CANNABIS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. CANNABIS ACTUALLY WAS NEGATIVE THIS MONTH BY 21%. IT APPEARS THIS TIME LAST YEAR IT WAS A PRETTY STRONG MONTH SO, BY COMPARISON THIS IS LOW. WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT. I DO HAVE IT ON MY LIST OF CONTACT JUST FOR AN AFFIRMATIVE UPDATE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON COMPLIANCE WHILE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR YOU. I ACTUALLY -- THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I CAN STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MOVING ON TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 17th JOURNAL. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING OC56 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL WHISTLE BLOWER REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUSPENDING THE RULES RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? SEEING NONE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVE TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. SOMEHOW, I'M MISSING THAT PAGE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY? OKAY. THANK YOU. NO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. NO DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS THAT I KNOW OF AT THIS TIME. COUNCILORS ANY? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER O-25-99 TO THE DECEMBER 15th MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DEFERRING O-25-99 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ANY OTHER DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. WE'RE MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT 3467 -- . >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'LL REMOVE EC-538 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, ITEM G, EC-25-535. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE EC-535. ANY OTHERS TO REMOVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT AGENDA RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO EC-538. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. QUICK QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS EXACTLY. IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT WE -- THIS WAS WITHDRAWN AT THE LAST FGO MEETING. THE ADMINISTRATION WITHDREW THIS FOR WHATEVER REASON. I DON'T REMEMBER. I'M SURPRISED IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA HERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. I'M TRYING TO HEAR. >>COUN. BACA: MY APOLOGIES. THE LAST FGO MEETING, IT WAS MY RECOLLECTION THIS BILL WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MORE WORK. I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE IT. I MIGHT BE WRONG. I JUST WANT TO START WITH THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, THAT ITEM WAS EC-522. THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR WITHDRAWL. 538 ITEM IS DIFFERENT. THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH A TYPO. AND SO 538 CORRECTS THE ISSUE. >>COUN. BACA: OKAY. IF WE WITHDRAW IT FOR TYPO WE CAN PUT IT ON THIS WITHOUT ACCEPTING IT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA THE WHOLE BODY HAS TO APPROVE ONE OF THE WITHDRAWAL AS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL STEP. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE REPLACEMENT BILL WAS INTRODUCED LAST MEETING. IT WOULD BE A HOLDOVER. >>COUN. BACA: I SEE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE I THINK I WAS VOCAL ABOUT THE FACT WE MOVED THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COMMUNICATION UNDER APD. THIS IS THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESOURCE CENTER FOR TRAINING PROGRAM. I JUST HAD A QUESTION OF CAN THIS ONE ORG HANDLE TRAINING FOR ALL OF THE ORGS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY? I WORKED WITH THIS ORG AND HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR SITUATION AND I'M WONDERING HOW CAN ONE ORG HANDLE ALL THE TRAINING FOR THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESOURCE CENTER? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I BELIEVE -- I THOUGHT COMMANDER HERNANDEZ WAS HERE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE IN THAT CAN DISCUSS THE CAPABILITIES TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I WILL GET BACK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT THIS. I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN THE EXPECTATION WE WOULD HAVE CITYWIDE TRAINING AVAILABLE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION IS I KNOW WE FUNDED THEM LAST YEAR FOR THE SAME TYPE OF PROGRAMMING, DO WE GET REPORTS FROM THEM ON WHO THEY TRAINED, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY TRAINED, METRICS ON HOW THEY DID? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YES. I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE -- THEY DO REPORT TO US PER THE TERMS OF EXACTLY THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHERE AND HOW OFTEN. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT IN SUMMARY FOR YOU ALL. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YOU SAID THIS IS AN RFP. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESPONDENTS WE HAD TO THE RFP? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I SAID RFP BUT I MEANT PROCUREMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH PROCRURMENT WILL BE USED. I KNOW THEY WENT THROUGH APD. I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID RFP I SHOULD HAVE SAID PROCUREMENT PROCESS. >>COUN. ROGERS: MADAM CHAIR, I HE HERNANDEZ HERE NOW. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, COULD YOU -- I WAS WALKING PAST. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO PROBLEM. >> I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER A QUESTION WITHOUT -- >>COUN. ROGERS: SURE. THE FIRST QUESTION I THINK I HAD WAS AROUND THE RFP FOR THIS. WAS IT RFP OR HOW DID WE ARRIVE WITH THE PROVIDER? >> WITH THIS PROVIDER WE PUT AN RFP OUT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT EXPIRED A YEAR PRIOR. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS RFP, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY OR ONE ORGANIZATION THAT PUT IN FOR THIS THAT WAS AWARDED FOR THIS. >>COUN. ROGERS: ONLY ONE RESPONDED? >> ONLY ONE RESPONDED. >>COUN. ROGERS: WORKING WITH THEM LAST YEAR, I KNOW WE FUNDED THEM LAST YEAR. I WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE COMMISSION BEING PUT UNDER APD. DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF -- I KNOW -- WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE FUNDING LAST YEAR? I JUST WANT TO KNOW THEY DID WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I'LL LET COMMANDER BERNA RRBG RD ? >> WITH THE FUNDING LAST YEAR THERE WAS TRAINING. BUT THE FUNDING GOES TO THE ADVOCACY. THEY GO TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS. THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES. THE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER EACH DAY MANY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR VICTIMS TO GET SERVICES. A HUGE PORTION OF FUNDING GOES TO THE STAFFING OF THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE THERE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION. ON YOUR WEBSITE. I'M SORRY, THIS CAME UP AND IT'S RELEVANT. LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE. I WAS WORKING WITH THE SURVIVOR VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND WE COULD NOT FIND THE PACKET THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COMMISSION PUT TOGETHER AND BROUGHT TO THIS BODY. I COULD NOT FIND IT ANYWHERE ON APD'S WEBSITE, THE COMMISSION'S WEBSITE. IT NEEDS TO BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE PAPER PACKETS YOU GIVE OUT FOR VICTIMS. BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO HELP FOLKS IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND THAT PACKET ON YOUR WEBSITE OR ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. PERIOD. I WOULD LOVE TO HELP FIX THAT. >> WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT RIGHT AWAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT TRANSLATION SERVICES TO MAKE SURE IT'S AVAILABLE TO ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. I KNOW I SAID THAT WAS THE LAST QUESTION. ONE MORE POPPED INTO MY BRAIN. I KNOW THE COMMISSION IS DOING A TON OF WORK AROUND TRAINING AND THINGS THEY -- HOW DOES THAT GET TRANSLATED TO THE DVRC? HOW DOES THAT INFORMATION GET PASSED TO THE PROVIDER? >> FOR THE MEANS WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DVRC. MY DEPUTY COMMANDER IS ON THE COMMISSION FOR DVSA. HE ATTENDS ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND COMMUNICATES THOSE WITH THE DVRC. WE CAN PASS IT ON TO THE COMMITTEE. >>COUN. ROGERS: CAN I SUGGEST YOU HAVE THEM BE PART OF THE COMMISSION? >> ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW THE COMMISSION HAS RULES FOR WHOEVER -- THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPOTS THEY HAVE FOR THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING I PASS ON TO THEM. >>COUN. ROGERS: ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION ALLOW AD HOC MEMBERS FOR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SMART SO THE TRAINING THEY GIVE IS TO RELEVANT TO WHAT OUR COMMISSION IS SAYING THEY NEED IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A HOT TOPIC THIS WEEK. I KNOW THIS IS A GOOD THING WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON EC-538? IS THERE A MOTION? >>COUN. BACA: MOTION TO APPROVE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE EC-538. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. DC HERNANDEZ, I MIGHT NEED YOU DOWN HERE FOR THIS ONE. MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS IS EC-535 IT'S THE QUARTERLY SECURITY REPORT WITH APD, ACS, AND METRO SECURITY DATA. I HAD A QUESTIONS OF AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THE CLASSES OF CALLS? WE HAVE THE NUMBERS REACHED AND TALKED ABOUT HOW SOME THINGS ARE GOING UP AND TOWN, BUT IT SAYS CLASS A APD CALL, CLASS B APD REACTIVE CALL, AND CLASS B APD PROACTIVE CALL. CAN YOU GO OVER WHICH ONES THOSE ARE? AND WHAT THOSE MEAN? I'M ASSUMING YOU WANT HIM TO ANSWER THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, DIRECTOR KEENER MIGHT ALSO BE HELPFUL FROM ABQ RIDE TO TALK ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION. THEY'RE OFTENTIMES IN LOCKSTEP. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW SHE'S HERE AS WELL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CAN WAIT FOR THE DIRECTOR. DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO ANSWER? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THE REASON I ASKED YOU TO DO IT BECAUSE THE ANALYSIS AND THE SUMMARY SHOWS A LOT IS BEING PUSHED AWAY FROM METRO SECURITY AND MORE TOWARD APD. AND THESE CLASSIFICATIONS. IT NOTES IN HERE THAT YOU'RE FINDING A LOT MORE APD CALLS AND IT NOTES THOSE THREE TYPES OF CALLS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WE HAVE OUR TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS ATTACHED TO APD. THEY WORK CLOSELY ALONG WITH THE PROBLEM RESPONSE TEAMS. THAT WORK IN HAND. I THINK QUICKER RESPONSE WE GET ON THE TRANSIT BUSES IS THROUGH THE TRANSIT OFFICERS AS WELL AS THE POLICE SERVICE AIDS ATTACHED TO THE PSO. TRANSPORTATION SAFETY OFFICERS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF CALLS ARE COMING TO APD MORE BECAUSE WE'RE RIDING ON THE BUSES AND RESPONDING TO MORE CALLS RATHER THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN IT WAS ASSIGNED TO METRO SECURITY. WE TOOK OVER THAT. THAT'S WHY A LOT IS COMING TO US. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT IS A CLASS A CALL? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WHEN O-22-47 CAME OUT IT ASKED US TO SPLIT THESE CATEGORIES INTO VARIOUS CALLS THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING, I BELIEVE. WE BASICALLY JUST TOOK A LOOK AT THAT INTERNALLY AS HOW THOSE ARE BROKEN OUT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT ON HAD WEBSITE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC CALLS AND CATEGORIES INTO CLASS A WHICH ARE MORE SERIOUS OR CLASS B CALLS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. CLASS A IS A MORE SERIOUS CALL. WHEN IT SAYS CALLS ARE UP IN VANDALISM, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, BATTERY, SEXUAL ASSAULT, BUT NARCOTICS IS DOWN. THAT'S A HIGHER CALL THAN CLASS B, WHICH IS TRAFFIC WITHOUT INJURY, WANTED PERSONS. DOES METRO SECURITY ANSWER TO WANTED PEOPLE? OR WANTED CALL? IT'S LISTED ON HERE. A CLASS B REACTIVE CALLER ARE SLIGHTLY UP WHICH ARE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS WITHOUT INJURY, WANTED PERSON, AND SIGNIFICANTLY UP IN SUSPICIOUS PERSONS. 911 DISTURBANCES AND RESCUE CALLS. IS THAT A PRIORITY TWO CALL WHEN IT COMES TO METRO SECURITY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I KNOW THAT'S STAFF ANALYSIS THAT HAS THAT BROKEN OUT. IF YOU GO TO REPORT IT BREAKS IT DOWN BY METRO AND APD CALLS. YOU CAN SEE THE CLASS A FOR METRO IS ASSAULT, BATTERY, FIGHTS FIRES. NARCOTICS AND -- THEY DIDN'T HAVE VANDALISM CALLS THIS QUARTER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO VANDALISM CALLS ARE NOT UP LIKE THIS SAYS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THEY ARE, BUT THAT'S FOR APD. THOSE ARE ALL CATEGORIZED IN THE APD CALLS. CLASS A FOR APD AND METRO CALLS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHEN IT SAYS CLASS B APD PROACTIVE CALLS SLIGHTLY UP TRAFFIC AND DISTURBANCES, THOSE ARE METRO SECURITY? THAT'S APD? >> YES, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. SO THEN, COMMUNITY ACTIVITY AND PERIODIC WATCHES ARE UP FOR THE APD SIDE OF THIS? >> YES. A LOT OF THE PERIODIC WATCHES, COUNCILOR, ARE SELF-INITIATED. IT'S DEPENDING ON CRIME ANALYSIS TO SAY WE'RE SEEING HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS AT CERTAIN TIMES. WE DO HAVE PERIODIC WATCHES TO BE LOGGED ON SO THEY CREATE A CALL FOR SERVICE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. I SEEM TO RECALL THOSE. OKAY. I'M NOT TOO SURE, MADAM PRESIDENT WHO WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE FOR SOLID WASTE INTERACTION, ENCAMPMENT NOTICE, AND EXISTING ENCAMPMENT CATEGORY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THOSE ARE BOTH LISTED UNDER METRO. I DON'T KNOW THE BREAKDOWN. MY ASSUMPTION IS WHEN METRO IS RESPONDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOLID WASTE, WHEREAS A STRICT ENCAMPMENT CALL IS WHEN METRO IS SHOWING UP TO GET ENCAMPMENT CLEANED UP THAT DOESN'T NEED CLEAN UP INVOLVED. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: BUT YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS? IT SAYS THERE'S A NEW SOLID WASTE ENCAMPMENT INTERACTION CATEGORY. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE CATEGORY? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE GET SEVERAL NEW CATEGORIES EACH TIME WE REPORT ON THOSE, DEPENDING. >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. WE HAVE INTEGRATED METRO SECURITY INDIVIDUALS IN WITH OUR SOLID WASTE AND HHH INTERACTION TEAM WORK TO PROVIDE SUPPORT IN THE FIELD WHEN THEY ARE PROVIDING NOTICE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY INTERACTION. I THINK THIS DESIGNATION OF THIS NEW CATEGORY IS WHEN METRO SECURITY STAFF IS WITH THE INTERACTION TEAM AND WHICH IS HHH STAFF. AND OUR SOLID WASTE TEAM. AND THEY ARE NOTING IT AS RELATED TO ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONNECTED TO TRANSIT AS WELL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. PERFECT. JUST A COUPLE MORE INQUIRIES ABOUT THIS. WHY -- I DON'T KNOW -- I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. WHY DID WE MOVE AWAY FROM METRO SECURITY TO HAVE MORE FUNCTION WITH APD TRANSIT SAFETY SPH. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THIS IS ALL PART OF THE LONG-RANGE SECURITY STUDY WE DID. THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS MOVE TOWARD APD AND THAT IS HOW WE CREATED THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS AT THAT TIME. SO, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS MOVE TOWARD THE TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS WITH APD. IT'S BEEN REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR US, ESPECIALLY JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION WITH APD SWORN OFFICERS. IT HELPS US TO GET A MUCH SWIFTER RESPONSE WHEN WE DO NEED IT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS IS PART OF LONG-TERM PLAN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, WAS THE MOVE -- WE STILL HAVE -- SECURITY IS 24-7 AT THE CENTER? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF METRO SECURITY OR APD. WE'RE PAYING SECURITY TO BE THERE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I THINK SOMETHING TO NOTE WAS THE LAST QUARTER FROM APRIL TO JUNE WE HAD ACTUALLY HAD TO BRING THE TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS TO COVER THE ATC. THEY WERE DOING THAT. AT THAT TIME, WE LOST MOBILE COVERAGE. FOR THIS QUARTER, ABOUT MID-JULY WE PUT THE TSO BACK INTO THE FIELD MOBILE. AND WE BROUGHT SHIMAL TO COVER THE GAP IN COVERAGE AT THE ATC WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL FOR US. THE PLAN IS TO MIGRATE THOSE OFFICERS TO TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR POSITION PAST WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT. I THINK ONE THING TO NOTE IS WE'RE REFERENCING A LOT OF THE PRIOR QUARTER WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHANGES IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE. I THINK IT DOES DO US A LOT OF GOOD TO ALSO LOOK AT THE PRIOR YEARS QUARTER. BECAUSE SEASONAL CHANGES AFFECT A LOT OF THINGS TOO. I SAY THAT JUST TO REALLY SAY WE HAVE SEEN OUR MONTHLY CALLS REMAIN PRETTY FLAT OVER THE PRIOR QUARTER LAST YEAR. WE HAVE SEEN A REACTIVE CALLS DROP 47% WHILE PROACTIVE CALLS HAVE GONE UP 20%. LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT WE MADE THE SHIFT TO TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS PRESENT AND DEDICATED TO TRANSIT SAFETY. THEY'RE OUT IN THE NETWORK AND VISIBLE. THAT HELPS TO DETER A LOT OF BEHAVIOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, HAVING SOME SORT OF RANDOM PATROL SEEMS TO BE BRINGING THE NUMBERS DOWN OR AT LEAST FROM WHAT THIS REPORT SAYS IS THAT THEY'RE SLIGHTLY UP BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO REACT TO THEM? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME DECREASES WHEN WE LOOK AT THE QUARTER REPORTER AND THE SAME SEASON FROM LAST YEAR WE'RE SEEING REACTIVE ITEMS ARE COMING DOWN. AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN THIS QUARTER WHEN YOU LOOK FROM MONTH TO MONTH YOU'LL SEE THE CATEGORIES AND THE MAJORITY OF CATEGORIES ARE COMING DOWN. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: AND HAVING THOSE OFFICER -- I GUESS IT IS AN OFFICER, AN OFFICER'S PRESENCE ON THOSE SPOTS ARE HELP TO DETER THAT? >> YES, I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. HOW MUCH DOES THIS CUT SECURITY COST? DO WE ANY WHAT THE CONTRACT IS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SHIMAL SECURITY? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, IS IT AN ANNUAL CONTRACT WE'VE SIGNED? HOW MUCH IS THAT? >> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING MONTH TO MONTH. ANNUALLY, IT WOULD BE $1.2 MILLION WHICH IS WHY WE WOULD MUCH RATHER BRING ON TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICERS. THE COST WOULD BE BETTER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: UNDERSTANDABLE. $100,000 A MONTH. YEAH. MADAM PRESIDENT, I'M GOOD. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE'RE DISCUSSING EC-535. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHEN YOU GO ON THE BUSH -- BUS AND YOU SEE APD RIDING IT THE BUS, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THEY HAVE ASSIGNED TIMES THEY DO THROUGHOUT THE DAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE RIDING ON THE BUSES SIX HOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY AT VARIOUS ROUTES. THE ROUTES THAT WE ARE RIDING ON ARE EITHER POLICE SERVICE AIDS OR TRANSIT OFFICERS. THEY'RE RIDING AND ALSO DOING BUS CHECKS. MEANING THAT ONCE THE BUS STOPS, THEY ARE ACTIVELY CONTACTING THE DRIVERS OF THAT AND DOING A WALKTHROUGH OF THE BUS. AT THE TIME THEY MIGHT NOT BE RIDING BUT THEY'RE MAKING THEY'RE WAY THROUGH THE BUS AND CONTACTING THE BUS DRIVER TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE FINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: SO, I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF FOLKS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE OFFICERS JUST HANGING OUT AT BUS STOPS. I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE EXTRA APD OFFICERS -- FIRST OF ALL, I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT. SECOND IS THAT THE BEST USE OF TIME, OR WOULD IT BE BETTER IF THEY'RE ON MORE BUSES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE'S OFFICERS AT THE BUS STOPS IT MIGHT BE RESPONSE TO ACTUAL CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE. IT'S DEPENDING ON THE INCIDENT. I'M NOT AWARE OF THE ACTUAL INCIDENT WHERE THERE'S A LOT. THE MAJORITY OF THE OFFICERS ARE RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT ARE REQUESTED BY EITHER TRANSIT OFFICERS OR POLICE SERVICE AIDS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CASE. I'VE BEEN TO BUS STOPS RECENTLY. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO OR THREE FOLKS IN UNIFORM JUST HANGING OUTS. I'M CURIOUS AS TO IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEY'RE THERE HANGING OUT, THEN WHY ARE THEY THERE HANGING OUT. THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE RESPONDING TO ANYTHING. IF WE HAVE EXTRA PERSONNEL AVAILABLE TO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT, I JUST WONDER IF THE BEST USE OF TIME IS STANDING AT A BUS STOP FOR UP TO 30 MINUTES AT A TIME. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING. I'D LOVE TO FOLLOW UP OFFLINE TO FIGURE OUT HOW I'M SEEING IT AND NO ONE ELSE IS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION. YOU SAID -- ARE METRO SECURITY OFFICERS ARMED? I KNOW PSAs ARE NOT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, METRO SECURITY IS NOT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, NO ARMED OFFICERS, WHETHER IT'S PSA WHO IS NOT A POLICE OFFICER OR THE SECURITY IS ARMED? >> YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT IS THEIR PROTOCOL FOR REACTIVE TO INCIDENT? >> OBSERVE AND REPORT. UNLESS A SERIOUS BODY HARM IS BEING INFLICTED. THEY'RE OBSERVATION IS LIKE A POLICE SERVICE AID. THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING COLLECTIVELY WITH OUR PROBLEM RESPONSE TEAMS AND OUR FIELD SERVICES TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUICKLY. OTHERWISE THE SITUATIONS -- THEY'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE DE-ESCALATION SKILLS THEY'RE TAUGHT DURING THE ACADEMY AND DE-ESCALATE. A LOT OF TIMES IF IT RESULTS TO HIGH PRIORITY OR SOMEONE IS IN DANGER THEY'RE HAVING OFFICERS RESPOND TO THAT. THEY'RE ON THE SAME FREQUENCY AND SAME CAD SYSTEM. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M GETTING CALLS AND EMAILS ABOUT NATIONAL GUARD ON BUSES AND PLATFORMS. ARE WE UTILIZING THE NATIONAL GUARD FOR TRANSIT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE ARE DOING THE -- WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE CHECK THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE WITH TRANSIT SAFETY OFFICER OR POLICE SERVICE AID AND ACTUALLY WALKING AT THE BUS STOPS. THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY RIDING IN THE BUS. THEY'RE MAKING THE CHECKS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CAN WE UPDATE THE APD FACT SHEET ABOUT WHAT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS DOING? WE HAVE NOT UPDATED THE COMMUNITY ABOUT ANY CHANGES TO WHAT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS HERE TO BE DOING. CAN WE UPDATE APD? YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER A -- I THINK LAURA KEEN DID A FACT SHEET ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WEARING. CAN WE ADD ANYTHING OR ANY UPDATES TO WHAT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS DOING AND UPDATE THAT FACT SHEET TO GET IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? >> YES, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE A MOTION FOR EC535? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. MOVING TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3rd, IS CANCELED. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY DECEMBER 8 IS HERE IN THE VINCENT E. GRIEGO CHAMBERS AT 5:00 BASEMENT LEVEL. IT WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: COUNCILOR BASSAN, LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 10th AT 5:00 IS CANCELED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THERE WILL BE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11th AT 5:00 P.M. IN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY BUILDING, KEN SANCHEZ COMMISSION CHAMBERS. IT'S ALSO A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. UNDER FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. O-99 WAS DEFERRED. WE HAVE NO OTHERS. WE ARE MOVING ON. WE HAVE NO APPEALS TONIGHT WHICH PUTS US AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA. THERE'S A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL. PLEASE CALL THE NAME OF THE FIRST SPEAKER. IF YOU'RE ON DECK, MOVE YOUR WAY TO THE FRONT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVID FOLLOWED BY SHANNON. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M COMING TO YOU ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND DAVID. I'M HIS WIFE AND POWER OF ATTORNEY. HE'S A WHISTLEBLOWER FOR BERNALILLO COUNTY. IT IS WITH GREAT REGRET AND URGENCY WE MUST BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. ON JANUARY 7, 2021 A SERIOUS INCIDENT OCCURRED AT BERNALILLO COUNTY JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER THAT RESULTED IN A RIOT. CHANGING MY HUSBAND'S LIFE. HE WAS A YOUTH PROGRAM OFFICER FOCUS ONG INTAKE AND MASTER CONTROL. DUE TO STAFFING SHORTAGES HE WAS ARE-SIGNED FROM THE SPECIALIZED ROLE. HE WAS CALLED TO THE UNIT TO ALLOW AN INMATE SOME TIME OUTSIDE THE CELL. AS OTHER INMATES RETURNED CHAOS CAME LEADING TO A RIOT. EVIDENCE IS BEING WITHHELD FROM THE INCIDENT REVEALS AN OFFICER STEPPING TO THE SIDE WHICH ALLOWED AN INMATE TO ATTACK MY HUSBAND, LEAVING HIM UNCONSCIOUS. FOLLOWING THE ASSAULT, HE DID NOT RECEIVE IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION DESPITE HAVING TWO MEDICAL PERSONNEL ON-SITE. HE WAS TAKEN TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHERE HE WAS LEFT ALONE AND NO CALL WAS MADE. THE INJURIES MY HUSBAND SUSTAINED DURING THE RIOT RESULTED IN TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED HIS LIFE. MY HUSBAND HAD WORKER'S COMPENSATION ATTORNEY, HOWEVER ONLY DURING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS WE DISCOVERED TROUBLING ALTERATIONS MADE. THEY COLLABORATE WOULD THE COUNTY TO DONEPLAY THE CUVERITY OF HIS CONDITION. THEY RELIED ON A NON-MD TO GIVE DIAGNOSIS. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE UNCOVERED SUBSTANTIAL MISCONDUCT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT -- MAY THE SPEAKER BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. YES. >> THE INMATE WHO ATTACKED MY HUSBAND SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED IN INTAKE. HE HAD BEEN SENTENCED THE SAME DAY ACCORDING TO POLICY PROCEDURE. MOREOVER ATTEMPTED MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES WERE NEVER PURSUED. WE DECIDED TO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THE ISSUE. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ALL RESULTED IN RETALIATION AND MY HUSBAND'S EMPLOYMENT WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY WAS TERMINATED THE SAME DAY AS THE DA. VIA ACTION OF VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY DETENTION CENTER, BERNALILLO COUNTY, AND LEGAL COUNSEL HAS BEEN DEEPLY CONCERNING. WE HAVE DOCUMENTED 11 VIDEOS AND ALSO OVER 400 EMAILS THAT COMPILE A LIST OF ILLEGAL ACTIONS ON -- WHICH OUTLINES SOME OF THE WRONGDOING AND PROVIDES EVIDENCE. THERE YOU WILL FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THE MISCONDUCT NOT ONLY THE RISK MANAGEMENT BUT ALSO CONSPIRACY TO TAMPER WITH EVIDENCE DURING AN OFFICIAL POLICE INVESTIGATION. WE URGE YOU TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION INTO THIS MATTER BEFORE TAXPAYERS ARE BURDENED WITH POTENTIAL HEFTY CONSEQUENCES OF THESE EVENTS. I HAVE LEFT MY NUMBER FOR YOU TO REACH ME AT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT, WE HAVE MASON FOLLOWED BY CESAR. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR COMMON CAUSE NEW MEXICO HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST DAY IN THE VOTING FOR RUNOFF ELECTION TAKING PLACE. FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE RUNOFF ELECTION. THREE MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THE ORDINANCE THAT TRANSITION ALBUQUERQUE ELECTION TO RANK CHOICE. SOLUTION THAT ELIMINATE THIS SECOND ELECTION. ONE OF THE CLEAREST PROBLEMS WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS RUNOFFS CREATE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING AND DIVISIVE POLITICS. FOCUSING ON WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR THE PEOPLE AND IT'S TEARING DOWN OPPONENTS. THESE DO NOT STRENGTHEN DEMOCRACY. THEY FUEL VOTER CYNICISM AND INCREASE DISTRUST IN GOVERNMENT AND DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE BALLOT BOX. THIS TYPE OF DIRTY POLITICS IN FULL DISPLAY THIS CYCLE. I THINK WE CAN AGREE CITY LEADERS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN THEY HOLD RESPECT AND CONFIDENCE OF THE CONSTITUENTS WHETHER THEY VOTED FOR THEM OR NOT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS SIMPLE, RANK CHOICE GIVES VOTERS TRUE FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND STRINTHENS DEMOCRACY, AND BREAKS THE ZERO SUM CAMPAIGN. OUR CITY IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE. I KNOW YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT THIS. IT'S A GOOD GOVERNMENT SOLUTION AND IT'S TIME FOR ALBUQUERQUE TO ADOPT IT. THANK YOU. >> CESAR FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN. >> CAN I GET THE OVERHEAD? [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> THANK YOU. HI EVERYBODY. I'M A SENIOR OGNIZER WITH COMMON KAUZ NEW MEXICO. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO EXPLAIN HOW RANK CHOICE VOTING WORKS BY DOING A SIMPLE DEMONSTRATION. LET'S SAY THAT WE HAVE AN ELECTION WE'RE TRYING TO PICK OUR FAVORITE COLOR. OUR CANDIDATES ARE RED, BLUE, GREEN, YELLOW AND ORANGE. IN ORDER TO REPRESENT OUR VOTE WE'RE GOING TO RANK ONE TO FIVE. I'LL DEMONSTRATE THAT NOW. LET'S SAY THAT RED IS MY FAVORITE COLOR. I'LL PUT RED ON TOP FOLLOWED BY GREEN, YELLOW, BLUE, AND ORANGE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ONE VOTE. HERE WE HAVE OTHER PREASSEMBLED VOTE. IN ORDER TO WIN THE MAJORITY YOU NEED TO REACH 50% PLUS ONE. WHICH IN THIS CASE WE DO NOT HAVE. NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING ANOTHER EXPENSIVE RUNOFF LIKE WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $1.6 MILLION WE CAN SAVE THAT MONEY WHICH DOING AN INSTANT RUNOFF. IN THIS CASE, WE ASKED THE QUESTION DID SOMEBODY REACH MAJORITY OF 50% PLUS ONE. THE ANSWER IS NO. NOW WE DISTRIBUTE THE VOTE. AND WE ASK OURSELF THE SAME QUESTION. DID ANYBODY REACH A MAJORITY OF 50% PLUS ONE? THE ANSWER IS NO. WE CONTINUE THE RUNOFF ELIMINATION PROCESS. WE ONCE AGAIN DISTRIBUTE THE VOTE. WE SEE NOBODY HAS REACHED MAJORITY YET. WE CONTINUE THE PROCESS. YELLOW IN THIS CASE. WITH THE PREVIOUS VOTE. WE SEE THAT RED HAS REACHED MAJORITY WITH SIX VOTES. THIS IS HOW INSTANT RUNOFF WORKS. IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT IN LESS THAN TWO MINUTES, I THINK VOTERS CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. THANK YOU. >> JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY FRANCESCO. FRANCESCO FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> WHEN YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING AND ENFORCING THE LAWS, YOU DON'T GET TO BREAK THE LAWS TO COVER UP THE LAWS THAT WERE BROKEN. COMPLICIT, OTHERWISE KNOWN ASCLUSION OR CONSPIRACY OF BEING INVOLVED IN OR AWARE OF SOMETHING WRONG IMMORAL, UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL. I HAVE PROVIDED EACH OF YOU WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PLUS I HAVE A PACKET FOR THE TIM KELLER ADMINISTRATION, SIMILAR TO THE ONES YOU HAVE SO THEY CAN'T LIE ABOUT HAVING DOCUMENTS IN HAND WHILE HAVING THE DOCUMENTS IN HAND BY FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING OF NOT BEING ON NOTICE OF THE MATTER OF MAYOR KELLER'S ILLEGAL WALL. WHILE THE KELLER ADMINISTRATION STATED INTO THE RECORD THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND I CAN NEVER PROVE THAT THE KELLER ADMIN AND I EVER HAD ANY CONTACT ON THIS MATTER. LUCKY FOR ME, ALL THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND ARCHIVED. SHOWING UP ALL KINDS OF CONTACT ON THE MATTER OF MAYOR KELLER'S ILLEGAL WALL. SILENCE WHILE TURNING A BLIND EYE MAKES YOU JUST AS GUILTY AS THE BAD GUY. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY JANET. >> MY NAME WAS CALLED. CAN I JUMP IN? >> FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT, COUNCIL. I HAVE JUST MOVED TO DISTRICT TWO FROM A DIFFERENT DISTRICT. HELLO, COUNCILOR BACA. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY IN SUPPORT OF RANK CHOICE VOTING. WHICH I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER IN THE UPCOMING SESSION. I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING ALL THE PEOPLE, I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT HOW MUCH MONEY THE ELECTION COSTS OR THE WAY RANK CHOICE HAS REFLECTED VOTER'S PREF RENESES AND HAPPINESS IN OTHER ELECTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD MY VOICE TO IT. AND BRING UP SOME NUMBERS. MANY OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL WERE ELECTED WITH FEWER VOTES IN THE RUNOFF THEN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU EARNED 5,116 VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. AND 4,186 IN THE RUNOFF. COUNCILOR ROGERS, YOU EARNED 2,974 AND ONLY 2416 IN THE RUNOFF. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE ELECTING PEOPLE WITH FEWER VOTES THE SECOND TIME THAT WASN'T ENOUGH TO ELECT IN THE FIRST TIME. SOME OF MY FRIENDS HERE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO BE HERE TODAY. WE TOOK A VOTE AND FOUR PEOPLE SAID THEY WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. THREE PEOPLE SAID LET'S GO TO DIONS AND THREE SAID SADIES. COUNCIL WON. I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER RCV TO REFLECT OUR VOTE NEXT YEAR. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY JANET. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, CITY COUNCILORS, I RISE TO MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENT TO EXPRESS PUBLIC APPRECIATION. IT IS THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. FOR TWO PUBLIC ENTITIES AND TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES. IN THAT SPIRIT IN THE SEASON OF GRATITUDE I WANT TO THANK THE SOUTHWESTERN ALBUQUERQUE FIREFIGHTERS FOR SAVING MY LIFE LAST WEEK. THANK YOU FOR THE CPR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPASSION AND PROFESSIONALISM. I ALSO WANT TO THANK -- I'LL USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. WHILE I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS, MY MOTHER WENT TO WALGREEN'S FOR SOME MEDICINE LEAVING MY FATHER AT HOME ALONE. HE ESCAPED FROM HOUR HOUSE AND MADE IT ACROSS THE STREET. I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO RESPONDED AND KEPT BOTH MY FATHER AND MOTHER SAFE. MY FATHER PRESENTLY AT THIS TIME IS IN THE HOSPITAL I'LL LEAVE HERE AND GO OVER THERE. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AT THE LOVELESS HOSPITAL DOWNTOWN AND AT THE HEART HOSPITAL. THEY ARE AMAZING. THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND EMPATHY AND CARE AND CONCERN THEY DEMONSTRATED WERE EXCEPTIONAL. I HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF HOSPITALS A LOT. MY FAMILY ARE ALL HOSPITAL TYPE PEOPLE. I'M THE ONLY TEACHER IN MY FAMILY. I'M TELLING YOU IT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL TIME THAT WE WERE THERE. VERY KIND. VERY CARING. VERY CONCERNED. SO, THOSE ARE ALL THE THANK YOUs. I'M IN NEED OF A VICTIM'S PACKET. I KNOW YOU ASKED FOR ALBUQUERQUE DVSA DID THE PACKET. THE PURPOSE WAS TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER SO THEY CAN FEE FOUND IN ONE PLACE SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE COURT OR AGENCIES. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TOGETHER IN ONE. THE LANGUAGE TRANSLATION IS THERE. I'M IN NEED OF THE PACKET. >> JANET FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M RESIDENT OF DISTRICT NINE. I GREW UP IN DISTRICT SEVEN. I WAS GOING TO THANK COUNCILOR SANCHEZ FOR HIS FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. BUT HE'S SOMEWHERE. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. AND MAY THE FUTURE HOLD GOOD THINGS FOR YOU. QUICK REPORT ON OUR LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE. WE GOT A GOOD RESPONSE FROM REPRESENTATIVE SANCHEZ WHO HAS AN UNUSUALLY SHAPED DISTRICT. WEST SIDE, NORTHWEST, AND SOUTHWEST. SHE IS IS INTERESTED IN GIVING $100,000 IN CAPITAL OUTLAY. I'M VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT. HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH THE DLA FOR SENATOR MAESTAS WHO INDICATED INTEREST IN OUR PROJECT. AND JUST BEFORE I CAME TODAY I GOT A CALL FROM THE OFFICE OF REPRESENTATIVE CHAVEZ WHO IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S GOING TO HELP SUPPORT. SHE REPRESENTS THE VERY FAR PART OF THE NORTHEAST. SO, THAT'S THAT PART. I AM A CARD-CARRYING SENIOR ADULT. I'M TOO BUSY TO USE SENIOR AFFAIRS. THIS IS IN MY NEWSPAPER THIS MORNING. A VERY NICE -- VERY NICE BROCHURE. HOWEVER, I'M CURIOUS. I'M GOING TO FIND OUT IF THE CITY PAID FOR THIS OR IF THE NEWSPAPER DONATED IT. THE LIBRARY DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PRINT MATERIALS OTHER THAN FLIERS. THIS IS PAID FOR BY OUR LIBRARY FOUNDATION. JUST IN CLOSING, THE SNOWMAN WILL BE UP TOMORROW. AND UNM LOBO FOOTBALL HAD A WINNING SEASON. LIFE IS GOOD IN THE 505. >>COUN. BASSAN: STAY THERE REAL QUICK. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY FOR OUR LIBRARIES. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. FROM THE MOMENT CHILDREN ARE BORN, THEY CAN BE INTERESTED IN READING, IN ALL THAT IT HAS TO OFFER. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. DO YOU KNOW THE HOURS FOR THE LIBRARY? I GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY THAT THE LIBRARY AT LOMAS AND TRAMWAY WAS CLOSED ON SUNDAYS. IS THAT NORMAL? >> WAS CLOSED ON? >>COUN. GROUT: SUNDAY. >> YES THERE'S ONLY FIVE BRANCHES OPENED ON SUNDAY, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. MADAM CAO, CAN I ASK WHY WE DON'T HAVE MORE LIBRARIES OPEN? I THINK THAT'S ONE SERVICE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. THEY'RE DOING HOMEWORK ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. A LIBRARY WOULD BE A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THEM TO DO HOMEWORK. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ABOUT THE ADVERTISING. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR LIBRARY -- DIRECTOR OF ARTS AND CULTURE IS HERE. WE MANAGE THE HOURS OF THE LIBRARY BASED UPON AVAILABLE STAFFING, AVAILABLE STAFFING HOURS, AND I THINK WE ALSO MANAGE IT BASED UPON DEMANDS AND TIMES AT WHICH THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST VOLUME OF PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND USE OF THE LIBRARY. IT IS MANAGING WITHIN THE AVAILABLE CITYWIDE BUDGET. IT ISN'T AN EXCUSE. IT'S MANAGING THE BUDGET TO ENSURE WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE SERVICES ACROSS THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I HAVE SOME HOMEWORK FOR YOU. I WANT YOU TO SEE IF YOU CAN GO INTO THE CITY'S HISTORY AND SEE OVER THE LAST TEN OR FIFTEEN YEARS, THE SERVICES ARE, WHEN LIBRARIES HAVE BEEN OPEN. I'D LIKE TO SEE A GRAPH. I BET YOU GUYS -- YOUR ADVISORY BOARD IS VERY ACTIVE. COULD YOU LOOK INTO THAT AND GET -- I'M VERY CURIOUS. I THINK READING AND EDUCATION ALL GO HAND HAND. WE NEED TO NOT -- WE NEED TO DO BETTER. I UNDERSTAND BUDGETING AND SO FORTH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS FOR OUR QUALITY AND LIFE AND CHILDREN'S QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. NEXT QUESTION. MADAM CAO, DO YOU KNOW IF THE CITY PAID FOR THAT ADVERTISEMENT? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR GROUT, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC -- >>COUN. GROUT: ONE FOLLOW UP, MADAM PRESIDENT. ARE THE DIRECTORS UPSTAIRS AVAILABLE FOR SPUR OF THE MOMENT QUESTIONS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERY SINGLE DIRECTOR IS RIGHT NOW. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND PROVIDE AN ANSWER. EACH DEPARTMENT HAS BUDGETS RELATED FOR PRINTING FOR DISTRIBUTION OF INFORMATION. THIS IS A DECISION WAS HOW DO WE GET IT PRINTED IN THE LEAST CLAUS -- COSTLY WAY. IN THE PAST WE PRINTED THEM THROUGH OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS FOR THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY THAT LIKES TO RECEIVE THE PRINT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CATALOG. >>COUN. GROUT: I AGREE. I THINK -- I'M A SENIOR NOW TOO. I AM A VISUAL PERSON. I LIKE TO SEE THE PAPER. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THANK YOU. IF I'M NOT HERE ON THE DECEMBER -- WHICHEVER MEETING, I WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND WHATEVER WAY YOU CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ANAMI FOLLOWED BY JACKIE. >> HI, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE RECENT DECISION THE ADMINISTRATION MADE TO USE TRAGEDY THAT WAS A HOMICIDE IN THE SOUTHEAST AREA OF THE CITY TO ADVANCE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST QUIRKY BOOKS WHICH IS AN INDEPENDENT BOOK STORE. ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE WORLD. LIKE -- I HAVE A REALLY BAD HABIT OF LOOKING AT GOVERNMENT DATA AND GOVERNMENT POLICIES AND CALLING IT A HOBBY. IT'S TERRIBLE FOR MENTAL HEALTH. IT HAS MADE IT SO I CAN RECOGNIZE WHEN PEOPLE LOSE THE PLOT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE LOSING THE PLOT. OR SOMEONE'S GOAL BEING THE ONLY THING IN MIND IS THE TRAGEDY INVOLVED WHERE A YOUNG MAN DIED. IT WASN'T ADEQUATELY CONSIDERED. ALSO, LOOKING AT THE HOMICIDE DATA, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TWO OUTSIDE WALGREEN'S. WE'RE NOT SUING WALGREEN'S. THERE HAVE BEEN ONE OUTSIDE OF WHOLE FOODS AND WE WOULD NEVER SUE WHOLE FOODS. OF THE 59 OR 60 HOMICIDES, 44 WERE FIREARMS. NO ONE WAS CAMPED TO DEATH. FOCUS ON THE REAL PROBLEM AND NOT PETTY LEGAL ISSUES FROM YEARS LONG CASES. THANK YOU. >> JACKIE FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I WANT TO START BY ECHOING MY FELLOW SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF RANK CHOICE VOTING. I VOTED IN THE RUNOFF THIS MORNING. I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE TO RETURN TO DO THAT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PASSING O-98. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS IS LAW. I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO ADVOCATE FOR SAFER CROSSINGS. THE ISSUE I WANT TO ADDRESS TODAY IS HOW TO MAKE EXISTING CROSSINGS SAFE. CURRENTLY AT TRAFFIC LIGHTS WITH HIGH TRAFFIC NEAR UNIVERSITY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TURN RIGHT ON RED. WHEN WE'RE TURNING RIGHT ON RED WE MAY LOOK TO OUR LEFT. WE MAY NOT NOTICE THE WALK SIGNAL IS ON OR THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE CROSSWALK. WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE LANES THAT BLOCK OUR VULNERABLE USERS COMING FROM BOTH SIDES. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE AS THE CITY IS ADDING INTERVALS TO PROTECT THE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS. I TRAVEL THROUGH UNM'S MAIN CAMPUS ON A DAILY BASIS. I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW CLOSE CALLS WHERE A DRIVER WAS NOT AWARE OF PEOPLE IN THE CROSSWALK BECAUSE THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO TURN RIGHT. THIS IS A PARTICULAR ISSUE AT YALE AND CORNELL ON CENTRAL. I STRONGLY SUSPECT IT IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST THOSE TWO. I'M ASKING WE PROHIBIT RIGHT TURNS ON RED AT LEAST DURING PEAK HOURS AT THE HIGH INTERSECTIONS ADJACENT TO UNIVERSITY AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER STEPS CAN BE TAKEN TO MAKE EXISTING CROSSING SAFER SO EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT HOME TO THEIR FAMILY. THANK YOU. >> MICHELLE FOLLOWED BY LEX. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FIRST, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR PASSING THE UPDATES TO THE TRAFFIC CODE. IT SHOWS EFFORT TO REDUCE TRAFFIC INJURIES AND FATALITIES THAT PLAYING OUR CITY AND STATE. I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO CONTINUE THIS MOMENTUM BY PRIORITIZING SAFE STREETS THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE AND ACHIEVABLE ACTION. VISION ZERO WORKS WHEN WE LAYER MULTIPLE STRATEGIES. WE NEED QUICK WINS PAIRED WITH LONG-TERM PLANNING THAT TREATS TRANSPORTATION AS CONNECTIVE NOT SILOED. HERE'S SOME IDEAS. ENHANCE PUBLIC TRANSIT. EXTEND SERVICE HOURS TO 10 P.M. PRIORITIZE PROTECTED AND CONNECTED WEEK LANES AND LAUNCH A BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. EXTEND ART TO THE WEST SIDE AND PLAN RAPID TRANSIT AND LIGHT RAIL OPTIONS. ON STREET DESIGNS, GET RID OF SLIP LANES. IMPLEMENT NO TURN ON RED CITYWIDE. AND CONTINUE TO DEPLOY RED LIGHT CAMERAS ACROSS THE CITY AND REQUIRE STRICT DATA GOVERNANCE TO ENSURE SAFETY TOOLS DON'T BECOME SURVEILLANCE TOOLS. HERE'S THE CRITICAL PART, ZONING IS TRANSPORTATION POLICY. I ALMOST FORGOT, CONTINUE TO DESIGN AND REBUILD ROADS THAT PHYSICALLY SLOW TRAF TOOK THE SPEED YOU ACTUALLY WANT. ZONING IS TRANSPORTATION POLICY. TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT REDUCES CAR TRIPS AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO LIVE CAR FREE AND CAR LIGHT. IT ALSO MEANS LESS PARKING IF NEEDED. FEWER PARKING LOTS AND SAFE STREETS AND ZONING CREATES NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE THRIVE. WE TELL ALBUQUERQUE YOUR LIFE MATTERS, YOUR SAFETY MATTERS AND YOUR ACCESS MATTERS. I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THE POLICIES AND MAKE ALBUQUERQUE A CITY GETTING AROUND SAFELY IS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE. >> LEX FOLLOWED BY BRICK. >> AS WE ALL KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. A SMALL VIDEO WILL BE WORTH THOUSANDS OF WORDS. THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED AT 625 LOMAS AVENUE. A PLACE THAT CHILDREN GO TO. IT INVOLVES THE LOTUS SECURITY SYSTEM PEOPLE. I ASSUME THEY'RE CONTRACTED BY THE PRIVATE BUILDING TO PERFORM SECURITY FOR THE PUBLIC ENTITIES HOUSED WITHIN. WHERE THE POLICE SEEM TO THINK THAT THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT TRESPASSING INDIVIDUALS EXERCISING CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEED RIGHT TO FILM IN PUBLIC THAN TO TAKE THE REPORT GIVEN TO THEM ABOUT THE INCIDENT AND ASSAULTS THAT OCCURRED. [ VIDEO PLAYING WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE SPEAKING ]. >> THEY'RE NOT IN UNIFORM. THERE'S NO IDENTIFICATION ON THESE PEOPLE. THERE'S NO BADGE. IT COULD BE AN ARMED GANG OF THUGS. I COULD BE THERE REPORTING A SEXUAL CRIME. I MIGHT BE TURNED AWAY. IF THEY CAN VIOLATE MY RIGHT, SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THEIR RIGHT, IMAGINE WHAT THEY DO TO SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW THEIR RIGHT. THIS IS GUY IS IN TRAINING ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. BEING TRAINED BY A SEASONED OFFICER TO TRESPASS PEOPLE FROM A PUBLIC AREA. >> BRICK FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL. >> I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PICTURE. IT'S TOO BAD. THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS GUY RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S SECURITY, MAINTENANCE. WHO IS LOTUS? THEY'RE APPARENTLY SECURITY OR MAINTENANCE OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH 625 SILVER. THAT'S THE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER. IT'S INTERESTING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AWARD FOR DVRC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KEEP UP WITH EVERY DETAIL OF OF THE CITY. BUT THIS PART RIGHT HERE. THIS IS MY JOB. TO FIND THE CORRUPTION. THIS INDIVIDUAL GRABBING HIS NUTS IN FRONT OF CHILDREN TRYING TO TRESPASS US FROM A PUBLIC ACCESS. WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON STORIES. IN ALL PUBLIC ACCESS. I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW IT BY NOW. MAYBE HE DIDN'T, SEDILLO DID. WE HAVE INTERACTION WITH THEM BEFORE. A PRIVATE BUILDING BUT PUBLIC ACCESS NONETHELESS. WE CANNOT BE TRESPASSED FOR EXERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONALLY-PROTECTED ACTIVITIES IN A PUBLIC ACCESS WHERE THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS. YET, THESE INDIVIDUALS SEEM TO BELIEVE NOT ONLY THEY CAN DO THIS, BUT THEY CAN GRAB THEIR NUTS, OR HIM AT LEAST. THE OTHER TWO DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. THE OFFICERS WE REPORTED IT TO DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IN FACT THERE'S AN AN OFFICER STANDING RIGHT THERE WHEN HE DID A SECOND TIME. IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO LET THIS GO ON. DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH AND FAMILIES. DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES IS IN THERE. IMMIGRATION LAW OFFICE IS IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF AFFILIATED OFFICES THROUGH THAT VERY BUILDING. ME WALKING IN WITH A CAMERA SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. IF THERE'S RESTRICTED AREAS, IT SHOULD BE POSTED. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE FOR THE PUBLIC THEY ARE WATCHED. SO SOMEONE WHO IS LIKE ME IS PRESS DOESN'T WALK IN. GET RID OF THIS GUY. GRABBING HIS NUTS IN FRONT OF THE CHILDREN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MIGUEL FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> I LIKE TO FIND OUT A FEW THINGS WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. KELLER AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A SHOOTING IN THE MOUNTAINS WHERE TWO POLICE OFFICERS SHOT THIS POOR GUY THAT HAD A MENTAL CAPACITY AND WHEN THEY WENT TO COURT, ONE OF THE PROSECUTORS SAID THAT BECAUSE THE FAMILY GOT $30,000 THEY WERE GOING TO SET THESE TWO COPS FREE. THE THING IS THAT $30,000 THE FAMILY GOT WAS ENOUGH TO BURY THE POOR GUY AND PAY WHATEVER MEDICAL BILLS HE HAD LEFT. NOW, I FOUND OUT THAT THOSE TWO POLICE OFFICERS WERE HIRED BY THE CITY TO TRAIN THE POLICE OFFICERS AT THE SCHOOL AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR JUDGMENT FOR THE FAMILY AND THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW THE GUY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, BUT I FOUND OUT IT'S A FACT. ANOTHER THING THAT'S FACT ALSO, 13 YEARS AGO, WHEN BERRRY WAS THE MAYOR, THERE WAS OVER $100,000 THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE TO HIM AND SOME OF THE CITY COUNCILORS TO HELP THE STORE OWNERS THAT WERE ON CENTRAL HAVING A BAD TIME. AND INSTEAD OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE OR THE CITY COUNCILORS AT THAT TIME GIVING THEM THE MONEY THE WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD IT DOWN ON PAPER, WENT AND TOLD THEM THEY'LL GIVE THEM $2,000 IF YOU PAY IT BACK AT 18%. THESE PEOPLE WEREN'T SELLING ANY PRODUCTS. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. EXCEPT FOR WHAT THEY HAD IN THE BANK TO SURVIVE. THAT MONEY DISAPPEARED. NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S AT. AND ANOTHER $100,000 THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE THE CITY FOR THE HOMELESS, ONLY FOUR PEOPLE GOT $900 OUT OF IT. THAT MONEY DISAPPEARED. NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT WENT. IT DIDN'T GO BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHERE IS THAT MONEY? >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. THANK YOU. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY ADEO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON MYSELF. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM LAS CRUCES, NEW MEXICO. I MOVED UP HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BECAUSE I GOT A JOB ON CONGRESSMAN'S CAMPAIGN IN 2024. BEFORE THAT, I WORKED ON A NUMBER OF STATE HOUSE, STATE SENATE, AND MUNICIPAL AND ISSUE CAMPAIGNS IN LAS CRUCES. I COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE HOW TO VOTE WITH A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE. ELECTORAL POLITICS IS MY BREAD AND BUTTER. I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE NO WORSE NIGHTMARE THAN WORKING A RUNOFF ELECTION. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AFTER BREAKING MY BACK FOR SIX MONTHS TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY I BELIEVE IN ELECTED THERE'S NO BIGGER MIDDLE FINGER THAN TO BE ASKED TO RUN IN A RUNOFF ELECTION. I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT WORK ON YOUR CAMPAIGNS. I WOULD CALL SOME OF THEM FRIENDS. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME NAMES. BUT WHAT THEY WON'T TELL YOU IS THEY WANT RANK CHOICE VOTING AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WORK FOR ANY OF YOU. I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WITH MY CHEST RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. I'LL SAY IT MEANS LESS FUND-RAISING HAS TO HAPPEN, FEWER DOORS HAVE TO BE KNOCKED AND EVERYONE GETS TO ENJOY THANKSGIVING. RANK CHOICE VOTING IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE. YOU SHOULD SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. >> ADEO FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> RANK CHOICE VOTING ROCKS. AND IT'S SIMPLE AND YOU ALL HAVE DONE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO, I AM LED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO OUR NO SECRET POLICE RULE. AND THAT EXCEPTION ISNARCOTICS OFFICERS. THEY WEAR MASKS LIKE THIS. THEIRS WERE BLACK. AND THEY FREAKED ME OUT. I THINK IF THEY'RE DOING STUFF THAT'S SO SCARY, THEY NEED TO HIDE THEMSELVES LIKE THAT, THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THEY WEREN'T DOING SWEEPS AND BUSTS AND JUMP INS AT THE ROCK WHEN I'M TRYING TO DO SOME BREAKFAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO GO OVER TIME WITH THIS ONE. IT SERIOUSLY -- I REALLY WANT TO ECHO HOW MUCH THE RUNOFF CAN REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON THE HOLIDAY SPIRITS. IT'S A SHAME THAT IS THE WAY THAT IS. AND IT'S ALSO VERY INTERESTING. I REALLY WANT TO ECHO BOTH MY FRIENDS. THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY THERESA. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM JAMES FROM DISTRICT FOUR. FIRST, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AN EVENT HAPPENING ON DECEMBER 17. WE CALL THIS THE MARCH AND VIGIL. WHERE WE READ THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS THAT EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS OR PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED PEOPLE THAT EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS. THIS EVENT WILL HAPPEN DECEMBER 17th AT 1:00 P.M. WE'LL START AT ALBUQUERQUE HEALTH CARE FOR THE HOMELESS. WE'LL MARCH AND CARRY SIGNS OVER TO CIVIC PLAZA. THE CITY HAS BEEN GRACIOUS AND ALLOWED US TO READ THE NAMES AT CIVIC PLAZA. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE FOOD PROVIDED BY HHH. LAST YEAR TWO SHOWED UP LAST YEAR. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. ALSO, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A SHOW THAT'S ON. PLURIBUS. IT'S FROM THE SAME TEAM THAT BROUGHT US BREAKING BAD AND BETTER CALL S A -- IS AU THE MAYOR PLAYS HIMSELF. IT BLEW MY MIND DURING A CAMPAIGN SEASON, THESE AREN'T MY WORDS, THE MAIN CHARACTER SAYS HI, DO I KNOW YOU? AND HE SAYS HI. SHE SAYS HOLY FUCK, YOU'RE THE MAYOR. HE GOES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE. DURING THE ELECTION TIME, I THINK THAT'S ODD. MORE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS SHOW THAN SAW BREAKING BAD AND BETTER CALL SAUL COMBINED. THE MAYOR DID THAT DURING THE ELECTION. I THINK WE HAVE SWEATSHIRT. PEOPLE BUY SWEATSHIRTS FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT SAY I LOVE KELLER. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE CAMPAIGN VIDEO HE MADE OUT OF THIS SHOW. DID HE PAY TO BE ON THAT SHOW? DID THE CITY PAY FOR HIM TO BE ON THAT SHOW? WAS HE PAID TO DO THAT? I THINK THESE ARE VALID QUESTIONS DURING A CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU. >> THERESA FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I AM SPEAKING TODAY AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AND AS A SURVIVOR. I'M HERE BECAUSE THIS ISSUE IS NOT THEORETICAL. IT IS DEEPLY PERSONAL. AS A SURVIVOR WHO HAS DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED HARM CAUSED BY GAPS IN TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING WITH APD I KNOW HOW CRITICAL IT IS THAT OUR SYSTEMS RESPOND WITH EMPATHY, CULTURALLY COMPETENCE. I HAVE BEEN REVICTIMIZED BY THE VERY SYSTEM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT ME. INCLUDING THE VERY PUBLIC VICTIMATION THAT ME AND MY CHILDREN HAVE ENDURED. WE CAN AND MUST DO BETTER. ACROSS OUR CITY, THERE ARE EXPERTS PROVIDERS CULTURALLY SPECIFIC LEADERS, PARTNERS AND ADVOCATED WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO CLOSE GAPS, STRENGTHEN COORDINATION AND IMPROVE SAFETY RESPONSES. ACCORDING TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATION, THE AGREEMENT YOU VOTED ON, HAS ONE SINGLE PROVIDER CONTRACT TO CREATE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TRAINING FOR APD. DVRC IS A LOCAL PROGRAM. IT'S NOT ABOUT DISCREDITING THEIR WORK OR THE ADVOCATES THAT SERVE SURVIVORS. I HAD THE ABILITY TO TRAIN THEM FOR THE NEW MEXICO COALITION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THE CONCERN IS THAT A SINGLE PROVIDER MODEL FOR APD CANNOT MEET THE NEEDS OF A COMPLEX CRISIS. SURVIVOR DESERVE A COLLABORATED RESPONSE INFORMED BY MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES AND CULTURALLY RESPONSIVE EXPERTS. I ASK THE COUNCIL TO SUPPORT A COLLABORATIVE MODEL FOR TRAINING THAT INCLUDES MULTIPLE PROVIDERS AND VOICES ACROSS THE FIELD, NOT A SILOED STRUCTURE. TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION AND REGULAR AND TRANSPARENT REPORTING SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN UNDERSTAND OUTCOMES AND ENSURE SURVIVOR IMPROVEMENT. AS SOMEONE WHO LIVED THIS, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE THE TRAINING CAN MAKE AND IT CAN SAVE LIVE OR FAIL THEM. SURVIVORS SHOULD NEVER BE HARMED ROOTED IN MISUNDERSTANDING OR STIGMA. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> ALL PROGRAMS HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING AND FOR THE EFFORT AND TRAINING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY NICOLE ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TAD. WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON IN ALBUQUERQUE GOVERNMENT? FIRST, APD WENT 2014 WENT TO FEDERAL -- THEN, APD DWI COPS. NOW, CITY ATTORNEY GENERAL BEING SUED. WELL, I GOT LETTER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. STATE OF NEW MEXICO. YESTERDAY. TOOK OVER ONE YEAR TO ANSWER. I EVEN FORGOT WHAT WAS ABOUT IT. THEN, THERE WAS NO VIOLATION, BUT WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THEM WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY -- I NEVER THOUGHT I END UP -- BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE CRIMINAL CASE. YES, THAT GETS ME SOMETHING TO THINK. CAN BE CRIMINAL. BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT IS VIOLATING OPEN MEETINGS ACT. WHAT KIND OF EXPERTS DO WE HAVE? MY SON GRADUATES FROM A MINING SCHOOL. IF HE FIND A JOB HE HAS TO GO TO DIFFERENT STATE. CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PICTURE. THANK YOU. >> NICOLE ON ZOOM. >> I APPEAR TO BE FUZZY. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO FIX THAT. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M NICOLE. I'M A MEMBER OF THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE EXACT QUESTION COUNCILOR GROUT ASKED EARLIER. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER ABOUT HOW LIBRARY HOURS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE PAST DECADE. I HAVE MY NOTES FROM THE LAST LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. I HAVE SOME INTERESTING NOTES HERE. ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY LIBRARY HAS 19 BRANCHES. THAT INCLUDES THE 60 BRANCHES IN THE CITY AND THREE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND COUNTY. THAT IS THE SAME NUMBER OF BRANCHES AS BALTIMORE. WE HAVE ABOUT 162 EMPLOYEES. WHEN YOU HEAR THE LIBRARY HOURS ARE BASED ON THE STAFFING, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF IT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT DIFFERENCE WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT'S SIMILAR TO US IN THAT WAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I HAVE BEEN USING THE LIBRARY TO HELP ME RESEARCH TOPICS OF INTEREST TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I SAW FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A RENTAL PRACTICE ORDINANCE ON THE AGENDA. I WANTED TO LEARN ABOUT THAT. I CHECKED OUT A BOOK FROM THE LIBRARY CALLED THERE IS NO PLACE FOR US, WORKING AND HOMELESS IN AMERICA, BY BRIAN GOLDFILM. IT GAVE ME A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT HELPED INFORM ME ABOUT THE RENTAL PRACTICES ORDINANCES. AND HOW THAT CAN HELP RENTERS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LIBRARY FOR PROVIDING US WITH SUCH EXCELLENT RESOURCES. I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR WE'RE STILL MAKING PROGRESS ON GETTING CAPITAL OUTLAY FUNDS AND SET ASIDE FUNDS. THANK YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I CANNOT FIND ISAAC IN ZOOM. THAT DOES CONCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS COMPLETE. WE'RE ON TO APPROVALS THIS EVENING. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OC-47. THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL'S ANNUAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. THERE'S SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS -- COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IS THE ACTING INSPECTOR GENERAL HERE? ON ZOOM? OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON ININSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT. MR. PACHECO IS HERE. HE'S ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. IN YOUR REPORT, AND THANK YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE FILLING AN IMPORTANT POSITION. IT COVERS 427 COMPLAINTS RECEIVED BY YOU IN 2025. I REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T INVESTIGATE EVERY ONE OF THOSE. BUT YOU DO REVIEW AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE AND MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT TO INVESTIGATE. AND THERE ARE 16 REPORTS THAT WERE ISSUED IN 2025. AND BY THAT, I ASSUME THAT MEANS THEY GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND THEY'RE REPORTED OUT OF THE AGO COMMITTEE. IS THAT CORRECT? THESE 16 YOU MENTION IN THE REPORT. >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE IN THE AGO COMMITTEE, AND THEY REVIEW HELP. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE TIMELINE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME. OUT OF THE 16 REPORTS, I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE NINE REPORTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED -- THEY WERE INVESTIGATED THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR. THEY WENT TO A COMPLETED INVESTIGATION BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THAT TIME AND WERE GIVEN TO THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE IN MAY. OUT OF THOSE NINE -- THOSE NINE REPORTS, HOW MANY REFLECTED IN THE 16 REPORTS? >> I BELIEVE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: MAYBE ANOTHER WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS HOW MANY OF THOSE NINE ARE NOT REFLECTED IN THE 16 REPORTS? >> I BELIEVE WHEN THOSE NINE WERE PRESENTED, THREE WERE APPROVED. THREE WOULD BE IN THIS REPORT. SIX WERE DEFERRED BY THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE. THAT'S WHEN THEY CHOSE TO DO OUTSIDE REVIEW. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THERE WAS SIX OF THEM REFERRED AT THAT TIME. SO IN APRIL. THEY HAD ANOTHER MEETING IN THE SUMMER. AND THEN, THE REVIEW CAME BACK. OUT OF THOSE SIX, WERE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED ON SINCE THEN? >> TWO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S TWO. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO FOUR. >> YES, SIR. >>COUN. LEWIS: TWO IN THE LAST MEETING IN AUGUST. >> IT WAS OCTOBER 15th. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THERE'S FOUR THAT ARE REMAINING. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE STAND? >> YES. I ANTICIPATE HAVING TWO READY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, POSSIBLY. AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS ONCE I GET THE REPORTS COMPLETE IT GOES TO INTERNAL REVIEW. BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY AN OFFICE OF THREE. WE'RE SHORT STAFFED. AND IT GOES TO OIG LEGAL FOR REVIEW. AND FROM THERE, I DO A REPORT THAT GOES TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS THE FINDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. AND THEY HAVE TIME TO VIEW THEM. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M HAVING HARD TIME HEARING YOU. >> I'M SORRY. ONCE WE GO THROUGH OUR OIG LEGAL REVIEW, AND THE REPORT IS DRAFTED COMPLETE, WE SEND THE SUMMARY TO THE ADMINISTRATION. THEY WILL REVIEW OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION, IF THERE ARE ANY. AND AFTER THEY HAVE TIME TO REVIEW WITH OUR NEW PROCESS, WE MEET WITH THEM TO GO OVER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE. FROM THERE, THE RESPONSES ARE GOING TO THE REPORT. AND THEY GO TO THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE, WHERE WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, AND THEY DO THE REPORTS AND APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THOSE FOUR REPORTS, WHERE DO THEY STAND RIGHT NOW? THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE A.G.O.? >> THEY HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. OUR OFFICE IS DOING AN ADDENDUM TO THE REPORTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THEY WERE SUBMITTED BACK ON MAY 9th, BUT THEY WERE -- THEY ASKED YOU ALL TO DO A REVIEW. AND THAT REVIEW DOES DONE BY AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR. AND THEY CAME BACK TO YOU. AND THE COMMITTEE, I'M ASSUMING, REVIEWED THE REVIEW. WHERE ARE THEY NOW? >> THE REPORTS ARE STILL IN THE DRAFT FORM. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SORRY? >> THEY'RE STILL IN THE DRAFT FORM SUBMITTED ON APRIL 9th. BUT THE A.G.O. WANTED IT TO BE REVIEWED AGAIN. AND I'M DOING ADDENDUM REPORTS TO THE ORIGINAL REPORTS. THOSE TWO REPORTS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, I SENT THEM TO CITY COUNCIL I BELIEVE, THERE'S THERE ORIGINAL REPORT AND ADDENDUM REPORT ATTACHED TO THE WEBSITE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM REPORT TO THE REPORT AFTER THE REVIEW WAS DONE AND THE COMMITTEE HAS GIVEN THEM BACK TO YOU? AND YOU'RE FINALIZING THE ADDENDUM REPORTS TO THOSE? >> TO THE FOUR? YES. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE LOOKED AT EACH REPORT AND THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL REPORT THAT I'M PUTTING INTO THE NEW ADDENDUM REPORT. SO, ONCE THEY ARE -- THE ADDENDUM REPORTS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE. BUT THE ORIGINALS WILL BE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHEN IS THE NEXT A.G.O. COMMITTEE MEETING? >> WHEN I FINISH THE ADDENDUM REPORT, THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL MEETING. THE NEXT ONE IS IN MARCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. SO YOU DON'T SEE THOSE REPORTS BEING MADE PUBLIC UNTIL WHEN? >> IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WILL GO THROUGH A SPECIAL A.G.O. MEETING. I ANTICIPATE BY THE END OF DECEMBER OR EARLY JANUARY FOR THE NEXT TWO. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MEAN, THE COMMITTEE HAS -- OTHERWISE, YOUR JOB INVOLVING THAT PROCESS IS TO TAKE THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMITTEE. COULD YOU SEE HOW THAT -- COULD THAT PROCESS HAVE BEEN ANY MORE EFFICIENT OR MORE -- COULD ALL OF THAT HAPPENED IN AUGUST? >> IN AUGUST, NO. PAUSE OUR ASSESSMENT WASN'T UNTIL OCTOBER 3rd. I WAS ABLE TO REVIEW THE FINAL REPORT AND WORK OFF THEIR COMMENTS FOR MY REVIEW. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT ARE THOSE REPORTS ABOUT? >> THEY'RE STILL BEING INVESTIGATED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT. WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST, AGAIN, NO FAULT TO ANYONE HERE. OUR PROCESS IS SET UP TO BE ABLE TO -- YOU GUYS DID A LOT OF HARD WORK. THERE WAS HARD WORK DONE ON THOSE INVESTIGATIONS FOR OVER A YEAR, I BELIEVE. ON AT LEAST FOUR OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE COMPLETED AND THEN SUBMITTED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BACK IN MAY. SIX MONTHS AGO. IN BETWEEN THAT SIX MONTHS, CERTAINLY THERE HAS GOT TO BE A PROCESS TO REVIEW THOSE REPORTS. WE EVEN -- IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE LAWS. IF IT'S A REPORT INVESTIGATION ON THE CITY COUNCIL, OR ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WRITE RESPONSES, FOR LEGAL TO LOOK AT THOSE AND FOR THE FINAL DOCUMENT TO BE REVEALED. THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS. THERE IS -- WHEN SOMEONE IS THE OBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION, THERE IS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT AN EXPEDIENT PROCESS AS WELL. FOR SIX MONTHS THESE REPORTS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED. I HAVE READ THE REVIEW. FROM THE AUDITOR, OR AT LEAST SYNOPSISES OF THE REVIEWS. WE HAVE THE SIX REPORTS. THEY HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED FOR A YEAR. THEY HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED SIX MONTHS AGO. OVER THE SIX MONTHS THERE'S A LONG PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE REVIEWER. YOU'RE STILL PART OF REVIEWING THE ORIGINAL REVIEWER, THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION. AND NOW WRITING ADDENDUMS AND AFTER GETTING REVIEW FROM AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR. YOU GOT SIX MONTHS THAT GO BY. IF I WERE THE FOCUS OF THAT, OR ANYBODY, WERE THE FOCUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION, IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR TO THOSE THAT ARE BEING INVESTIGATED. YOU WANT TO CLEAR YOUR NAME OR BE ABLE TO LEARN SOMETHING. MOST OF THE REPORTS AND INVESTIGATIONS YOU DO, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO LEARN. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ULTIMATE RESULT SHOULD BE. THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING DONE WRONG, OR SOMETHING BY THE COUNCIL OR STAFF, THAT WAS DONE INAPPROPRIATELY THAT WE LEARN FROM THAT PROCESS. RIGHT NOW, FOR SIX MONTHS, BEEN ABOUT WHAT THE INVESTIGATORS SHOULD LEARN BY HOW TO INVESTIGATE. SO, WE'VE GOT TO, I THINK, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, THE SAKE OF JUSTICE OF THOSE WHO ARE BEING INVESTIGATED OF BRINGING THESE TWO AN EXPEDIENT CONCLUSION. YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? >> I AGREE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE REPORTS OUT MONTHS AGO. I HAVE TO DO MY JOB CORRECTLY. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE ADDENDUM REPORTS EVERYTHING IS BASED FACTICALLY AND BACKED UP. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THIS IS NEW TERRITORY FOR ME. I'VE BEEN IN THE OFFICE FOR 17 YEARS. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. THE WAY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL LEFT ON HER TERMS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. TO TAKE OVER IS VERY STRESSFUL. MY TWO INVESTIGATORS, WE'RE DO GO THE BEST WE CAN. I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, NO DOUBT YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. NOT A REFLECTION OF YOUR WORK. AND YOUR PREDECESSOR, FOR ALL WE KNOW, A LOT OF INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE HERE AND TIME AND ENERGY. NOT A REFLECTION OF THAT. MADAM PRESIDENT, ONE MORE THING. IN YOUR OPINION, WHY SIX MONTHS? IN YOUR OPINION, WHY FOR THE FOUR REPORTS SIX MONTHS? IT SOUNDS LIKE NINE MONTHS, MAYBE A YEAR. >> MY WORK DIDN'T BEGIN -- WE STARTED THE MEETING 8/6. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION OF YOU. I ONLY NEED YOUR OPINION. >> I STARTED WORKING ON IT IN OCTOBER. >>COUN. LEWIS: YEAH. >> I APOLOGIZE. I'LL HAVE THEM DONE AS SOON AS I CAN. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WHY THEY HAVE TAKEN SIX MONTHS? WHY THEY'RE NOT OUT AND PUBLISHED BY NOW? >> LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T START UNTIL OCTOBER. IT'S JUST REVIEW FROM MAY THROUGH OCTOBER TO GET DONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ON YOUR PART. MADAM PRESIDENT, THE REPORTS WERE SUBMITTED AND TYPICALLY ONCE THEY'RE SUBMITTED ON MAY 9th, THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED. AND WITHIN A PERIOD OF TIME, A MONTH OR SO, THEY WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. WHY, 16 INVESTIGATIONS MADE PUBLIC QUICKLY, AND WHY FOUR THAT WERE -- YOU CAN SEE WHY SOMEBODY WOULD BE SAYING WHO IS THE FOCUS OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS? IT LEAVES ITSELF OPEN TO SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THE FOCUS OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS? WHAT ARE THEY ABOUT? WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY TAKE SIX MONTHS TO BECOME PUBLIC? ANY OPINION ON IT AT ALL? >> THE A.G.O. COMMITTEE DECIDED TO HAVE THE OUTSIDE FIRM REVIEW. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S THE PROCESS WE SET UP. I THINK IT NEEDS A SERIOUS LOOK AT REFORMING THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES. I THINK WHOEVER IS THE OBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATIONS DESERVES IT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, SIR. I KNOW YOU'RE IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. YOU'VE GOT A COMMITTEE YOU SERVE AS WELL. A COMMITTEE WE SET UP. THIS COUNCIL SET IT UP AND THE ADMINISTRATION. WITHOUT PINPOINTING OR PUTTING BLAME ORE -- OR ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK WE RAISE THE ISSUE THAT THIS IS A LONG TIME. AND IF IT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S TAKING A LONG TIME, WE HAVE TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THIS PROCESS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO CHANGE IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. REVIEWING THE REPORT AND LOOK ATH THE BREAKDOWN OF COMPLAINTS AND VOLUME. OUT OF 427 COMPLAINTS, 237 WERE DMD. I JUST WANTED -- WHAT ARE THE PREDOMINANT TYPES OF ALLEGATIONS THAT COME OUT OF DMD? >> MOSTLY PARKING. VIOLATIONS. LIKE THIS CAR IS PARKED TOO CLOSE TO -- IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH ORDINANCES WITH THE WAY HOUSES ARE BUILT. THEY BREAK THE RULES IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES. A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM 311. AND THEY REFER THOSE 311s TO US. AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY STATED THEY HAVE TO SEE THE VIOLATION TO GIVE A TICKET. THEY CANNOT GO OFF THE PICTURE SENT BY THE COMPLAINANT. A LOT OF THOSE ARE MOSTLY PARKING VIOLATIONS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OKAY. JUST -- DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT LOOK AT VOLUME AND WHICH DEPARTMENTS YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF VOLUME AND DOING TARGETED AUDITS OR ANYTHING PROACTIVE? >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. ROGERS: WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TWO INVESTIGATORS AND ONE LEAD INVESTIGATOR. SO IT'S A DEPARTMENT OF THREE. AND NO PERMANENT INSPECTOR GENERAL. I THINK YOU DO THE BEST THAT YOU CAN, BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HAVE CONFIDENCE WITH THAT MANY COMPLAINTS COMING IN THAT YOU CAN EVEN GO THROUGH THAT MANY. I THINK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS'S POINT, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF OVERSIGHT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GIVE YOU MORE RESOURCES. >> YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED. LIKE THE CPOA, THEY HAVE 22 EMPLOYEES. LOOK AT APD. WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE CITY, CONTRACTORS, AND VENDORS WITH FOUR ON THE STAFF. AND GOING BACK TO SIX MONTHS. THREE IN THE TIME PERIOD ALSO THE BOARD OF ETHICS HAD US DO INVESTIGATION THAT TAKES PRIORITY. FROM THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST TO OCTOBER 1st, THE TWO INVESTIGATORS WERE DOING THAT INVESTIGATION. THEY WERE OUT IN THE FIELD. AND COMPLETING THE REPORT FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS. THAT TOOK TIME AS WELL FROM THE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS. >>COUN. ROGERS: WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL INVESTIGATION? >> YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: I SAW THERE WEREN'T ANY SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT. >> THAT WAS A SPECIAL INVESTIGATION BUT IT'S FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. >>COUN. ROGERS: GOT IT. IN THE NEXT YEAR'S REPORT, WE'LL SEE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS ABOUT CAMPAIGN PRACTICES? >> YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE CASES WHERE I'M REALLY PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN SUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS. WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR CORRECTIVE ACTION? DO YOU RECOMMEND DISCIPLINARY ACTION? HOW DOES THAT WORK. >> WE CAN RECOMMEND DISCIPLINE. IT'S UP TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO DO THAT. WE DO RECOMMENDATIONS. EVERY 45 DAYS WE CHECK TO SEE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR NOT. AND SOMETIMES WE GIVE COMMENTS. BUT WE UPDATE OUR CORRECTIVE ACTION FORMS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN GO IN THE REPORT? WHAT CORRECTIVE ACTIONS YOU RECOMMENDED AND WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON OR NOT? >> YEAH, THEY CAN GO IN NEXT YEAR'S ANNUAL REPORT. >>COUN. ROGERS: I WOULD LOVE TO ADD THAT TO THE REPORT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US TO ECHO SOME OF THE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS ESPECIALLY AROUND GRANT FUNDING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. >> I DO THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON OC-47. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SOME MOTION IS RECEIPT BE NOTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. WE'RE GOING TO OUT OF ORDER SINCE WE HAVE MR. PACHECO. OFF OF INSPECTOR ANNUAL WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THERE'S A MOTION FOR RECEIPT BE NOTED ON OC-56. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES, 9-0. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. PACHECO. WE'RE GOING TO OC-48. OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. I KNOW OUR AUDITOR IS ON ZOOM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MS. VARGAS. THERE'S ONE AUDIT THAT'S MISSING OUT OF THIS. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE GIBSON GATEWAY. I HAD ASKED FOR AN AUDIT ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. AND IT'S NOT HERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE HAVING SOME TROUBLE GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES RELATE TO THAT PROJECT. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THAT AUDIT IS MISSING BECAUSE IT'S STILL ONGOING. WE ONLY GIVE COMPLETED REPORTS IN OUR ANNUAL REPORTS. AS WE DID RESEARCH FOR THE AUDIT, WE CAME ACROSS LEGAL MATTERS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON. WE'VE BEEN INQUIRING CITY'S LEGAL OFFICE OF WHETHER THESE MATTERS ARE IN THE PROCESS. WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANSWERS. WE FOLLOWED UP LAST WEEK AND PRIOR TO THAT LAST MONTH AND THE PRIOR MONTH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. HAVE YOU GOTTEN INFORMATION FROM THE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER? >> YES, ALL OF OUR REQUESTS, BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, THEY HAVE BEEN IN A TIMELY MANNER. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, DOES YOUR OFFICE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE SUBPOENA POWER? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. WE DO. >>COUN. GROUT: HAVE YOU SUBPOENAED THE INFORMATION YOU NEED? >> I HAVE NOT. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. MS. KEEFE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT ORDINANCES SAYS ALL CITY OFFICIALS, EMPLOYEES, AND CONTRACTORS, SHALL PROVIDE THE CITY AUDITOR FULL AND UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO ALL THE CITY OFFICES, EMPLOYEES RECORDS, INFORMATION, DATA REPORTS, PLANS PROJECTIONS. ALL KINDS OF THINGS. ELECTRONIC DATA, PROPERTY. AND OTHER MATERIALS WITHIN THEIR CUSTODY. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, I ABSOLUTELY DO. THIS DID NOT RING A BELL TO ME. I HAVE HAD A VERY BUSY FEW MONTHS. THERE'S THINGS I KNOW I HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO PEOPLE ON AND I'M TRYING. THIS IS NOT ONE I REMEMBER AT ALL. I JUST SEARCHED AND I DON'T HAVE THE LAST EMAIL -- THE LAST EMAIL I HAVE IS FROM APRIL. IT IS NOT REGARDING THE GATEWAY. IT COULD BE SHE'S CONTACTED SOMEONE ELSE AND I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. I CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE WE DO RESPOND. >>COUN. GROUT: I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THEY HAVE THEM ON THIS PROJECT. IT WILL BE THREE YEARS TOMORROW. SINCE APRIL, THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY ACTIVELY WORKING ON THIS. THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE CITY LEGAL OFFICE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN I JUST ADD, IT WILL BE VERY QUICK, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CASE AND I CAN QUICKLY PROVIDE AN UPDATE. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S GREATS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU ABOUT ADDING TO THE REPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GIVE AND WHICH ARE IMPLEMENTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION VERSUS NOT IMPLEMENTED. IS THAT SOMETHING -- >> I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THAT IN SOME TABLES. WE CAN MAKE IT MORE READILY ACCESSIBLE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MY APOLOGIES IF I MISSED IT. I'M QUICKLY SCROLLING. IS THIS THE SAME THING ABOUT CONCERNS WITH CAPACITY AND STAFF? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT? >> THE LAST FEW YEARS OUR OFFICE HAS REQUESTED MORE FTEs, BUT WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS THE CITY IS UNDERSTAND. IF WE HAD MORE MANPOWER WE COULD ACCOMPLISH MORE AUDITS. WE DO GET NUMEROUS REQUESTS. ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE INCREASED OUTREACH EFFORTS AND EDUCATING EVERYONE WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE. NONETHELESS, WE'RE LIMITED TO WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH EVERY YEAR. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LAST QUESTION IS WERE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE SUBJECT TO ANY INVESTIGATIONS GIVEN FULL OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ALLEGATIONS AND HOW THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN EVIDENCE? JUST CURIOUS ABOUT ACCESSING THE FINAL REPORTS. DO THEY GET THE FINAL REPORTS? DO THEY GET TO INCLUDE ANY RESPONSE TO THOSE FINDINGS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE ISSUE WHAT WE CALL A DRAFT REPORT. PART OF THAT PROCESS IS WE HAVE PLANNING SKILLED WORK AND INFIELD WORK. WE DO OUR CUSTODY AND IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT COULD BE EVOLVED INTO FINDINGS IN OUR PUBLISHED REPORT. THAT'S WHEN WE LOOP IN CLIENTS. WE GET THEIR FEEDBACK. IT BECOMES AN EXERCISE OF WHAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE FINDINGS AND HOW THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED. FROM THERE WE DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS AND GET IT TO THE DEPARTMENT. AND AFTER THAT THEY'RE RECORDED AND PUBLISHED AND SUBMITTED TO A.G.O. AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED. THEN WE FOLLOW UP EVERY SIX MONTHS UNTIL IMPLEMENTED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, SO MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'RE ON OC-56. RECEIPT BE NOTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. I THINK THE NEXT TWO AGENDA ITEMS -- I'M SORRY. THAT WAS OC-48. THANK YOU. ALL OF THE OCs PASSED. FOR THE RECORD. MOVING TO FINAL ACTIONS. I'M GOING TO DO THE NEXT TWO. I COULD BE WRONG. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RELATIVELY QUICK. AND WE'LL TAKE A DINNER BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO P-8. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. KNOCK ON WOOD. P-8, ADOPTING PROPOSITION BE SENT TO THE VOTERS OF THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION TO REPEAL ARTICLE 11, SECTION 7, REGARDING PUBLIC PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG HERE. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, WE HAVE LISA FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, AFTER LISTENING TO DISCUSSION FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE, I WANT TO SAY I HAVE ZERO CONFIDENCE. I HAD MAYBE A -- I HAVE ZERO CONFIDENCE THAT MY CITY GOVERNMENT IS OPERATING FINANCIALLY AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO. WHEN WE CAN'T RELEASE -- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUERY. WHY ARE CONSTITUENTS NOT INFORMED ABOUT HOW OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION IS USING OUR MONEY? THIS IS RESOLUTION ABOUT PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. I WENT TO COLLEGE ON A BAND SCHOLARSHIP. I'M A BAND GEEK. HOWEVER, I AM NOT CONFIDENCE TO GIVE THIS CITY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR GATEWAY EAST. AND A THOUSAND PEOPLE COULD FIT IN THERE AND IT HAS NOT BEEN OPENED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE HAVE WINTER COMING UP, IT'S NOT OPEN. IT COULD BE AND SHOULD BE. WE HAVE QUIRKY BOOKS THAT MOST FOLKS COULD BE THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING FOLKS OVER THERE, IT'S NOT MADE AVAILABLE. I ALSO WANT TO ASK WHY THE PUBLIC LIBRARY AND MS. SAYERS HAS TO COME FOR FUNDING FOR H-VAC BUT WE WANT PERFORMING ART CENTERS. I'M NOT AGAINST PERFORMING ART CENTER, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE FUNDED IN A WAY WITH AS MUCH ENTHUSIASM AS THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THE REVOLVING DOOR OF INCARCERATION FOR TRESPASSING, MINOR OFFENSES, THE REALITY IS THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE, OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE UNHOUSED AND KIRKY BOOKS IS FILLING IN. FOR US TO GO AFTER THEM WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THE CITY IS WRONG ON OUR PART. I WOULD SAY TO MAYOR KELLER, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, AND TO THE CITY OFFICIALS, PLEASE, PLEASE, IF YOU WANT US TO VOTE, GIVE US SOMETHING TO TRUST IN. >> TAD. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON P-8. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF P-8 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THERE'S A LEAPING YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0. MOVING TO R-208. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: R-208 ADOPTING PROPOSITION BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS NEXT ELECTION IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CONCERNING AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 11 SECTION 7 OF THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY CHARTER IN THE FORM OF QUESTION AND THE DESIGNATION CLAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. THIS IS JUST A CHARTER AMENDMENT, NOT A VOTE FOR ANY FUNDING OR ANY ACTUAL STRUCTURE. ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHTING A WRONG. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-208 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. WHAT DID YOU VOTE? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE LAST ONE SAYS AT THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION. IT SAYS IN THE NEXT ELECTION. WE HAVE AN ELECTION NEXT TUESDAY. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT TO PULL UP THE BILL AND MAKE SURE THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE TEXT OF THE BILL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BACA FORGOT TO KNOCK ON WOOD. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IT IS IN THE BODY OF THE BILL. SECTION ONE SAYS FOLLOWING THE PROPOSAL ON THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE BODY OF THE BILL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION IS FOR DO PASS OF R-208. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR DINNER AND COME BACK AT 7:25. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY, EVERYONE. WE'RE BACK. WE ARE BACK. I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE MORE STILL TRICKLING IN. WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND WE HAVE SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA STILL. WE'RE ON O-67. MADAM PRESIDENT PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. O-67 IS COMMITTEE SUB AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF ACCUL -- ARTICLE 11 TO INCLUDE THE -- STRENGTHEN OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES. I MOVE DO PASS -- WELL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DEFER. WE'LL MOVE DO PASS AND THEN DEFER BECAUSE THERE'S MAJOR CHANGES. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR ROGERS. WE HAVE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS THIS EVENING. I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR GROUT IS ON HER WAY DOWN. SHE'S THE FIRST ONE IN THE PACKET. I WILL SKIP THAT ONE, AND WE'LL MOVE TO WHAT IS LABELED AS AMENDMENT B IN YOUR PACKET. AMENDMENT ONE TO COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE 67 IS MY AMENDMENT. IT'S STARTING ON PAGE FIVE, LINE SIX. AMEND SECTION 211-5A PROCESS AND SEQUENCE FOR ESTABLISHING FIVE-YEAR GOALS AND ONE-YEAR OBJECTIVES. THE ALBUQUERQUE PROGRESS REPORT AND CITY REPORT PLAN SHALL BE GUIDING DOCUMENTS FOR DEVELOPING THE FIVE-YEAR GOALS. THE PART THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD IS CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 3216 OF THE CODE OF RESOLUTIONS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER ANY APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS PREPARED THROUGH THE WEB-BASED TOOL WHEN REVIEWING OR AMENDING THE FIVE-YEAR GOALS. THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. THIS IS BECAUSE EARLIER THIS YEAR WE PASSED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOOL THAT IS STILL BEING WORKED ON BY DTI AND WITH THE ADMIN AND WITH OUR STAFF. HOWEVER, I DO THINK WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR FIVE-YEAR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WE SHOULD PUT TO USE WHAT WE SAID WE SHOULD BE USING AND DESIGNED IN THE SYSTEM. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THAT IN HERE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON AMENDMENT ONE TO O-67. ALL THOSE IN FAVORER RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. I'M GOING TO KEEP WITH MY AMENDMENTS, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOURS. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO BEGINNING ON PAGE FOUR LINE TEN AMEND SECTION TWO ELEVELEN THREE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. DEFINITIONS, SALARY SAVINGS, REDUCTION IN THE DEPARTMENT'S FULLY FUNDED PERSONNEL BUDGET BASED ON THE DEPARTMENT'S HISTORICAL LEVEL OF VACANT POSITIONS. VACANCY SAVINGS, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOTAL APPROPRIATED PERSONNEL BUDGET AND ACTUAL PERSONAL EXPENDITURES DURING GIVEN PERIOD. THERE'S A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. THESE DEFINITIONS ARE ADDED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING WE CONSTANTLY TALK ABOUT. I THINK WE INTERCHANGE HE'S DEFINITIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY TECHNICALLY THE SAME. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ALSO APPROPRIATE TO MAKE SURE TO DO THAT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I APOLOGIZE ON MY FIRST AMENDMENT. I WANTED TO ASK THE ADMIN ON ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS. IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING TOO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. YOU PROVIDED US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THESE TODAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT GAVE US THEUBLE -- ABILITY TO WORK THROUGH. WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS OF THE FIRST ONE OR SECOND ONE. THROUGH THE DISCUSSION AND HOW WE USE THESE DEFINITIONS IT DIRECTLY ALIGNED WITH HOW WE USE IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO COMMITTEE SUB O-67. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO O-67. THIS IS DEFINITELY MORE IN DEPTH. THIS STARTS WITH WITHIN SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS OF THE SUBMISSION OF THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL EACH DEPARTMENT SHALL PROVIDE THE NOLING INFORMATION. THE LIST BELOW ON THIS, I CAN READ IT. I KNOW IT IS ON THE SCREEN. THESE ARE THE GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE SUBMITTED EVERY SINGLE YEAR BY THE COUNCIL TO THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS. AND OUR STAFF ENDS UPCOMING BACK TO US AND SAYING DO WE USE THE NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER DEPENDING ON IF WE'RE DOING SOCIAL OR PHYSICAL GOALS TO ADD ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WE HAVE. THESE ARE THE ONES EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR YEARS ARE ASKED REPEATEDLY AND CAN BE COUNTED ON. I THOUGHT ALSO WHY NOT ADD THIS INTO THE ORDINANCE WHILE WE HAVE IT OPENED. I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. THERE IS A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST CURIOUS. WE HAVE BUDGET CALL DOCUMENTS LISTED HERE, BUT BUDGET CALL DOCUMENTS ARE NOT DEFINED. I KNOW WE KNOW, BUT IF WE'RE MAKING THIS VERY FOOLPROOF, MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MAKING A DEFINITION FOR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'LL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT. I KNOW THEY DEVELOPED IT BASED OFF OF WHAT THEY FORWARD IN THE GENERAL QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU LIKE TO ADD OR CAN WE DEFINE THAT? IS THERE A NEED TO DEFINE IT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I WOULD ALMOST ASK THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL. I KNOW WHAT ALL BUDGET CALL DOCUMENTS ARE. WE COULD MAYBE DESCRIBE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF THAT WOULD HELP. >>COUN. BASSAN: LET ME ASK, MADAM KRRBG -- CAO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SPECIFY BUDGET CALL DOCUMENTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF INTENDED FOR THIS DOCUMENT TO REPRESENT, I CAN MAKE SOMETHING UP. A BUDGET CALL DOCUMENT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM GUIDANCE PROVIDED TO DEPARTMENTS FOR PREPARATION. IT COULD BE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THAT SETS OUT THE TIMELINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. WITHOUT SHOOTING FROM THE HOOP, BUT PROVING YOUR POINT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS AMENDMENT BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DEFERRING, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO RECTIFY THIS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER AT THE DECEMBER 15th MEETING. THANK YOU. I SEE NODS FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T SEE THAT. AND FROM THE ADMIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I THINK BASED UPON OUR DISCUSSIONS AND LOOKING THROUGH THE LIST, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT PASS AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL SERVICES AND COUNCILORS WE DO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. WE DO THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT TRENCHES. SEVEN DAYS IS BUSINESS DAYS. IT DOES TAKE THE SAME STAFF THAT PREPARE THE BUDGET TO THEN COMPILE THIS INFORMATION FROM THAT PREPARED DOCUMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL URGE YOUR SUPPORT TO AMENDMENT THREE TO O-67. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO YOUR AMENDMENT AS AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE WHOLE THING. IT'S ABOUT STUDY SESSIONS. I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS SO FORMAL IN OUR MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. HAVING STUDY SESSIONS MID-YEAR WITH DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF US. SO THEY WOULD BE OPEN MEETINGS AS FAR AS PEOPLE WOULD KNOW HELP. BUT THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC TO ASKING. THIS AMENDMENT AUTHORIZES THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO CONVENE MID-FISCAL YEAR STUDY SESSIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING INFORMATIONAL OPERATIONS AND BRIEFINGS FROM DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS RELATED TO THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. THESE SESSIONS OCCUR DURING THE MID-FISCAL YEAR PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE MAYOR'S DRAFT PROPOSED BUDGET AND ARE NOT PART OF THE FORMAL BUDGET REVIEW PROCESS. STUDY SESSIONS ARE INFORMATIONAL ONLY AND DO NOT INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MAY INCLUDE PRESENTATIONS OUR DEPARTMENTAL STRUCTURE PROGRAMS OPERATIONS AND ANTICIPATED NEEDS. DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY APPROPRIATE STAFF TO ASSIST IN RESPONDING TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND A CHAIR DETERMINES THE SUBJECT MATTER AND SCHEDULING SESSIONS. I OFFER THIS AS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. THERE'S SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE I'D READING THIS RIGHT. IT SAYS THE CALL OF THE CHAIR. THERE MAY BE YEARS WHEN THERE ARE NO STUDY SESSIONS AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR? >>COUN. GROUT: YUP. SGLF THANK YOU, MAD . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SDMRN ANY QUESTIONS . >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE ADMIN? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I WOULD ASK -- IT'S AT THE BEHEST OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIR. WHEN WOULD WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS STUDY SESSION. OUR BUDGET DEPARTMENT DOES QUARTERLY DEPARTMENT EVERY THREE MONTHS. MID-YEAR THEY'RE WORKING ON THE QUARTERLY PROJECTIONS THAT COME A MONTH LATER. IF WE'RE HAVING OUR DEPARTMENTS DO THE EXACT SAME WORK, THEY WOULD HAVE TO KNOW IN ADVANCE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS THEY HAVE THEIR NORMAL DUTIES THEY DO ALL THE TIME. CLARIFYING WHAT IT WOULD BE AS OPPOSED TO SAYING YOU COULD HAVE A STUDY SESSION DEPENDING ON IF SOMEBODY REQUESTS OR NOT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR STAFF SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND THEY DON'T GET BLINDSIDED OR HIT WITH AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK THEY HAVE TO DO UPON NORMAL DUTIES. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE INTENT IS NOT TO DO IT DURING ONCE THE BUDGET IS OFFER. IT'S PRIOR TO THAT SO WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. HAVING THAT ABILITY TO HAVE EASIER DISCUSSIONS OR LESS FORMAL DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE THINGS COME UP AND THAT IS THE INTENT -- FROM OUR BUDGET STAFF, COULD YOU CLARIFY BETTER OR MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS ISN'T A GOTCHA TACTIC. IT'S AT THE BEHEST OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR. WE WOULD GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION PLENTY OF NOTICE AT MID-FISCAL YEAR WHICH IS THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. AROUND THIS TIME I WOULD SAY, IF THIS PASSES, AROUND THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE WOULD BE GIVING THE ADMINISTRATION A REQUEST TO HAVE A STUDY SESSION IN EARLY 2027 -- 2028 -- I'M SORRY. DUE TO THE PASSAGE, IF THIS DISCUSS PASS WE'RE HOLDING TO UNTIL FY28. WE'RE NOT DOING THIS NEXT YEAR. WE'RE GIVING THE ADMINISTRATION MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO SEE THE CHANGES AND GET USED TO THE CHANGES FOR NOT NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE BUDGET AFTER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE TIME FRAME YOU NEED TO HAVE NOTICE IN ORDER TO PREPARE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THIS. NUMBER ONE, IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY WE'RE DEALING WITH STATE LEGISLATURE WHICH TAKES A LOT OF OUR STAFF TO GET THINGS READY. ALSO, OUR BUDGET CALL FOR THE CITY IS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. THEY'RE PREPARING THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE NUMBERS CORRECT TO DO A STUDY SESSION IS TRYING TO DO TWICE THE AMOUNT OF WORK IN THOSE TWO MONTHS TO TRY TO GET THE BUDGET PREPARED WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD. I THINK WE DO HAVE QUARTERLY PROJECTIONS AND THOSE ARE WHAT WE ALREADY DO. I THINK DOING IT BY DEPARTMENT IS REDUNDANT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PRESSURE AND A TAX UPON OUR STAFF AS WE'RE GOING INTO THAT ON TOP OF DEALING WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR THE SPONSOR. THE IDEA OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IN CONTINUATION DISCUSSING SO WE SHARE INFORMATION AND UNDERSTAND MORE? >>COUN. GROUT: MM-HMM. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO, MR. WHELAN, THE TOPIC IS -- HOW MANY STAFF DO YOU HAVE? >> WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SEVEN OR EIGHT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO YEAR ROUND. TO ASK THEM TO PRESENT AND TALK ABOUT INFORMATION THAT THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK WITHIN 40 HOURS PLUS A WEEK, 52 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR, I'M FINDING IT VERY DIFFICULT THIS IS A DIFFICULT TOPIC TO DISCUSS WHEN YOU -- THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. PLEASE HELP ME CLAR BY. >> YOUR HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SEVEN TO EIGHT BUDGET STAFF. THEY OVERSEE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS. IT'S THE DEPARTMENTS WHO RUN THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, AND DAY TO DAY PAYMENT AND RECEIVABLES, AND TRANSACTIONS THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM. WHEN THEY PREPARE THE BUDGET, THE DEPARTMENT PREPARE THE BUDGET AND THEY WORK THROUGH THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE SEVEN TO EIGHT, BUT THEY OVER SEE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING ALL OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND GRANTS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THE $1.5 BILLION WE'VE SPENT AND IN REQUEST SHARE SOME OF THE INFORMATION, IT SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE. YOU'RE WORKING ON IT ALL THE TIME. I FIND IT HARD IS OUR ARGUMENT IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR JOB IS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, SPECIFICALLY THIS IS A REQUEST PRESENTATION BY THE DIRECTOR. IT IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT EVERYTHING OPERATIONAL. IT ISN'T JUST PRESENTING BUDGET DOLLARS. IT'S OPERATIONAL DISCUSSION. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND SCOPE THEY HAVE BASED UPON THE TOPICS IN TERMS OF REQUESTED DISCUSSION IS ABSOLUTELY VALID WE CAN DISCUSS IT. TO HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION IN A SPECIFIC FORMAT IS A SIGNIFICANT FORM OF WORK. IN DECEMBER IS WHEN WE LOAD EVERYTHING IN FOR LEGISLATIVE ASKS FROM THE DEPARTMENT. THEY DO THAT WORK. THEY ALSO BEGIN PREPARATION TO ENSURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE INTEREST THE MID-YEAR CLEANUP AND ALL THE WORK THEY'RE DOING. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MADAM CAO, IT SENDS LIKE THE INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DISCUSS WHAT DO IN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE WANT TO REFLECT IT IS SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL WORK. IT WAS IMPLIED IT WOULD NOT BE. ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS -- THE DIRECTORS RUN IT. THERE'S A FISCAL IMPACT. THERE'S IMPACT IN THIS. IT ISN'T SIMPLY OH, YOU CAN SHOW UP TO A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. IT'S THE SPECIFIC PRESENTATION REQUEST IN PREPATION THEY WILL PUT TOGETHER. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MAYBE JUST SOME THOUGHTS TO HELP A LITTLE PIT -- BIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AROUND OCTOBER? >>COUN. GROUT: MID-YEAR. WE CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM DECEMBER, NOVEMBER, TO MARCH EVEN IF WE WANT TO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU'RE TALKING MID-YEAR TO THE TIME YOU'RE GETTING THE NEXT BUDGET TOGETHER. I KIND OF GET THAT. IT MIGHT BE THAT OCTOBER MIGHT BE A GOOD TIMELINE FOR THAT WHERE IT'S ONE QUARTER INTO THE NEW BUDGET. IT'S ALSO THE TIME WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO KNOW WHAT THE REVERSIONS ARE GOING TO BE FROM THE PREVIOUS BUDGET. IT'S A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING WHERE THE COMMITTEE CHAIR AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR MIGHT -- OR THE CFO MIGHT SIT DOWN AND AGREE ON AN AGENDA WITH A BRIEF UPDATE FROM THE DEPARTMENTS ON WHERE THEY'RE AT. THE FIRST PART OF THE BUDGET YEAR AS WELL AS DISCUSS SOME OF THE REVERSIONS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. MAYBE SINCE WE HAVE SOME TIME AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT AMENDMENT. TO CLARIFY THE DETAILS. JUST SOME THOUGHTS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. THE INTENT IS FOR US TO LEARN MORE FROM THE DIRECTORS. THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. WE HAVE A $1.5 BILLION BUDGET WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THEM ANSWERED RIGHT AWAY. IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH A FORMAL PROCESS TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS. TONIGHT I ASKED IF THERE ARE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AVAILABLE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO DO THINGS, HOW TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS A LITTLE MORE FREELY AND LEARN MORE AND BE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE TASK WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN. IT'S NOT A GOTCHA. IT'S TRYING TO LEARN MORE. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT MORE BURDENSOME. COUNCIL STAFF IS ALSO GETTING READY FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I KNOW KNOW EACH BUDGET DEPARTMENT HAS STAFF AS WELL. I THINK YOUR STAFF IS VERY CAPABLE OF COMING UP WITH THIS INFORMATION. I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS DIFFERENT DATE AND TIMELINES, PUT GAINING KNOWLEDGE, HOW TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS WISELY -- THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. SO, HAVING EXTRA TIME TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAD A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED FISCAL IMPACT. MAYBE THIS IS FOR OUR TEAM. I DON'T SEE A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WITH THIS BILL. I KNOW -- I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WITH THIS ORDINANCE. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, FOR THE COMMITTEE SUB? NO, THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT IN THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD BE THE FISCAL IMPACT TO DO THIS? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, HAVING NOT SEEING THIS AND HAVING NO TIME TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THIS IT'S DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. FOR THE RECORD, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS PER YOUR CODE OF RESOLUTION ALWAYS HAVE AN FIA ATTACHED TO THEM. THEY RARELY DO WHEN WE GET THEM FROM COUNCIL SERVICES. IT'S NOT OUR BILL. THIS IS THE BILL WE WORKED ON WITH THE LAST NINE MONTHS WITH COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF. WE WORKED MORE THAN 15 HOURS OF MEETINGS TO WORK THROUGH. WE WORKED THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS. SIX OR SEVEN STAFF WORKED ON THIS. IT'S NOT OUR BILL. WE'RE WORKING IN AN EFFORT TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND WORKING TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S A THAUM COMMON THEME THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. AGAIN, I CAN'T COME UP WITH FISCAL ANALYSIS ON THE FLY WITHOUT HAVING SOMETHING PRESENTED TO CONSIDER. >>COUN. ROGERS: I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON SINCE WE'RE DEFERRING IT. WE CAN INCLUDE THAT SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT THAT IS. IF YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A FISCAL IMPACT, THEN WE CAN COLLABORATE ON WHAT THAT IS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT STUDY SESSIONS ARE GREAT. I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. I DO HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE ADMINISTRATION. I'M JUST WONDERING -- IT DOES SAY THAT AT THE REQUEST OF THE CHAIR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS SHALL PROVIDE GENERAL BELIEVINGS THAT MAY INCLUDE -- IF YOU'RE LIKE A THROUGH E ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS. MY BIG CONCERN IS ON NUMBER TWO. IT SAYS THE CHAIR SHALL DETERMINE THE SUBJECT MATTER FORMAT AND TIMINGS. I'M WONDERING IF THE FORMAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THERE. IT'S THE COW CHAIR THAT SAYS WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER AND TIMING IS. IT THEN BECOMES MORE INFORMAL DISCUSSION WITH DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE. I AM WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I APPRECIATE THE IDEA. INFORMAL DISCUSSION IS ALWAYS MUCH EASIER FOR FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE IN AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW A DIRECTOR MAY NOT HAVE EVERY ANSWER. WE CAN USE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE USE AT COUNCIL TO PROVIDE WRITTEN ANSWERS SO EVERYONE CAN HAVE THE ANSWERS IN WRITING AFTERWARDS. THAT'S HELPFUL. I APPRECIATE THAT THINKING ABOUT INFORMALITY AS A WAY TO REDUCE LOAD AT THE TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY -- I WILL THINK THROUGH THIS IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT ON A CHANGE OF THE WORD FOR THE NEXT TIME. REALLY THINKING THROUGH A WAY TO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC FORMAT THAT CAUSES DIRECTORS TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME PREPARING BUT GETS US IN A FORMAT TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: YEAH, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING THIS ABILITY TO HAVE THIS STUDY SESSION IS I LIKE THE IDEA. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS IS ALL STUFF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT YOU CAN DO. IT'S THE TIME FRAME WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO IT. IS THERE A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME. MAYBE THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SUGGESTED OR TIME FRAME OF WHEN THIS STUDY SESSION CAN BE HELD SO IT'S NOT SO BURDENSOME? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION -- I KNOW THE TIME FRAME OF OCTOBER WAS SUGGESTED ONE QUARTER IN. THAT'S ALSO THE TIME OF STARTING OUR ANNUAL AFTER AUDIT. WE HAVE AUDITORS HERE PULLING FROM ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. THEY'RE PULLING LISTING, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE. THERE'S ALREADY STUFF GOING ON IN OCTOBER THAT'S BEFORE THE BUDGET AND THAT CONTINUES ON THROUGH DECEMBER 15th. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE IS EVEN GOING TO BE UNTIL CLOSE TO DECEMBER 15th BECAUSE THAT'S HAPPENING AS THEY'RE AUDITING OUR BOOKS AND CLOSING OUR BOOKS. THAT'S WHY IT'S DONE ONCE A YEAR. OUR STAFF GO RIGHT OUT OF DOING THE AFTER WHICH THEY START PAIRING FOR IN SEPTEMBER TO JANUARY GOING RIGHT INTO THE BUDGET. THE TIMING IS GOING TO BE DOING IT IN DECEMBER WOULD BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE STRESSFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR BUDGET CALL RIGHT AFTER FINISHING THE ANNUAL AUDIT. AND THEY GO RIGHT INTO PREPARING THE BUDGET. A LOT OF THE THINGS WE PREPARE FOR OFFER WE DON'T SHARE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE AND THEY'RE NOT FINALIZED. >>COUN. PEÑA: MADAM PRESIDENT, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT MORE OF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S LANGUAGE TO WHERE IT'S MORE INFORMAL? OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR, JUST A SUGGESTION OF A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I GUESS TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT GOING. JUST DELETE SECTION ONE. DELETE SECTION ONE. IT WOULD BE AN INFORMAL STUDY SESSION AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. IT WOULD LEAVE IT PRETTY OPEN. I THINK THE AMENDMENT IS WORTH HAVING. TAKE SOME OF THE SPECIFICS WHERE WHERE THERE'S PRETTY GOOD PARAMETERS. THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETS IN THE SPRING. THAT'S IT. JUST PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO MEET AND DO A STUDY SESSION AT ANOTHER TIME IN THE YEAR. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. SO WE COULD TAKE OUT ALL OF ONE? AND RENUMBER TWO AS ONE? I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. EVEN THOUGH IT KILLS ME TO NOT MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO AN AMENDMENT. WE DO NEED A SECOND. SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS, AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO THE ADMIN. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THE INTENT. I THINK THE CONCERN IS IN SECTION TWO WHERE WE SAY THE CHAIR CAN DETERMINE THE FORMAT OF THE PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS. I WOULD FLIP-FLOP THAT AND TAKE OUT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. BASSAN: ADMIN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IF THE TIMELINE IS SPECIFIC WHEN IT SAYS MID-FISCAL YEAR, IF WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME IN DECEMBER OR IF IT CAN BE MORE FLEXIBLE FOR US TO DETERMINE -- >>COUN. BASSAN: FROM WHAT I HEARD EARLIER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPONSOR COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM OCTOBER TO MARCH. IS THAT CORRECT, COUNCILOR GROUT AM. >>COUN. GROUT: YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE, BUT FIRST I'M GOING TO -- AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. THERE'S NO LONGER A SECTION NUMBER ONE. THERE WAS NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. IT WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE SPONSOR DECIDED TO CHANGE. SECTION E STUDY SESSION. AND WHAT IS MARKED NUMBER TWO IS REALLY NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S IT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO O-67 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. WE'RE MOVING TO AMENDMENT, LABELED E, NUMBER FIVE. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER -- >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THIS ONE IS AMENDING SECTION 2-11-16 FINANCIAL REPORTS. AFTER SUBSECTION A, INSERT THE FOLLOWING. THIS IS AROUND OUR FUND 265. WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT FUND 265. AND DOING SOME REPORTING ON THAT FUND. THE AMENDMENT ADDS A REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL REPORT ON ALL ACTIVE GRANTS AND PROJECTS WITHIN SPECIAL REVENUE FUND 265 ALSO KNOWN AS THE GRANT FUND. THE REPORT MUST INCLUDE BASIC FINANCIAL INFER FOR EACH AWARD AND STATUSES ESPECIALLY REVERSION FOR NONCOMPLIANCE CONCERNS. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IS TO ESTABLISH REGULAR REPORTING SCHEDULE FOR FUND 265 SIMILAR TO EXISTING REPORTING STRUCTURE FOR CAPITAL PROJECT ACTIVITIES. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BACA. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCILORS ? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE ADMIN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, WE DIDN'T SEE THIS IN ADVANCE. WE JUST STARTED LOOKING AT IT. JUST READING IT WITHIN THE LAST HOUR, IT SEEMS THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BURDENTIUM -- BURDENSOME. WE HAVE HUNREDS OF GRANTS THAT HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND HAVING TO DO THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MID-YEAR REPORT IS JUST GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK. THERE'S A REASON WHY A LOT OF FEDERAL GRANTS, THE GRANTING AGENCIES, WHETHER IT'S STATE OR THE FEDS, THEY ASK US TO DO QUARTERLY OR BIANNUAL OR ANNUAL REPORTS. THEY KNOW HOW BURDENSOME THIS COULD BE. THAT'S HOW WE GET REIMBURSED. WE GET REIMBURSED BIANNUALLY OR ANNUALLY. IF IT'S FORWARD-FUNNED, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THOSE. IT'S QUARTERLY, BIANNUALLY OR ANNUALLY. TO DO THIS EVERY MONTH FOR EVERY GRANT -- WE HAVE GRANTS THAT CROSS MULTIPLE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY BURDENSOME FOR THE STAFF. IT'S NOT PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET. IT'S PART OF THE GRANTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: WHAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? QUARTERLY? BIANNUALLY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK TO OUR GRANTING MANAGER TO SEE WHAT SHE FEELS HER STAFF COULD PRODUCE. I THINK IF WE TALK TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT SEEN THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT SHE THINKS COULD BE DONE BY DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THEM NOW? HOW DO YOU TRACK THEM NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THEY TRACK THE EXPENSES EVERY DAY AND RECONCILE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS EVERY MONTH OR TWO MONTHS BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FINAL. UNLESS THE REPORT THEY SEND IS BASED UPON WHAT THE GRANTING AGENCY IS REQUIRED TO DO. SOME OF THE GRANTS ARE REQUIRED QUARTERLY, THEY TRACK IT AND SUBMIT IT AT THE END. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO UPDATE THIS TO QUARTERLY. IT SOUNDS LIKE I HEARD YOU HEARD YOU MENTION THAT THE MOST. LET'S UPDATE IT TO QUARTERLY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. AND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WE'LL DEFER AND YOU SPEAK WITH THE GRANT MANAGER WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT THEN. I'LL CHANGE IT TO QUARTERLY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR, ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THIS IS NOT TYPICALLY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS SHOULD BE IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE OR THIS COULD BE SOMETHING YOU PUT INTO A RESOLUTION SEPARATELY. BECAUSE IT IS DISTINCTLY UNIQUE IN THE FACT IT ISN'T PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET PROCESS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. WE USE FUND 265 A LOT SOMETIMES FOR PROGRAMS THAT MAY NOT -- ARE THESE ALL GRANTS? OR IS THERE OTHER FUNDING THAT COMES TO 265? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GRANTS. >>COUN. ROGERS: BUT NOT ALL? >> NOT ALL. THEY'RE ALL GRANT -- I'LL DEFER TO THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. I WOULD SAY MAJORITY ARE ALL GRANTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. SANDOVAL. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR ROGERS, MOST OF THEM ARE GRANTS. THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE THAT EXTEND BEYOND ONE YEAR THAT ARE HOUSED IN FUND 265. >>COUN. ROGERS: I THINK THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE THEM BROKEN OUT LIKE THAT. I PERSONALLY WANT TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT'S FINANCIAL REPORTS THAT ARE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY HAS FINANCIALLY. I THINK I WANT TO KEEP IT WHERE IT'S AT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WANTED TO ASK THE STAFF -- BECAUSE WE HAD THIS IN THERE ORIGINALLY. THE OUTLINING OF THE FUND 265? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT PENA, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT YOUR DIRECTION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU ASKED US TO REVIEW THE BUDGET ORDINANCE. TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING AND THAT WAS HAPPENING THAT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AND THINGS WERE IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE NOT HAPPENING. AS MS. REMLER LOOKS UP THE INFORMATION, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TRANSFERRED GENERAL FUND MONEY 110 INTO 265 FROM HHH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT OUR FINGERTIPS ANYMORE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THOSE SITUATIONS. AS I CONTINUE TO SPEAK SLOWLY AND STALL -- SHE'S LOOKING THAT UP. >>COUN. PEÑA: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP IN PREVIOUS BUDGET CYCLES ABOUT THIS FUND AND BUDGET STAFF FEELING LIKE THERE'S NOT AN ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THIS MONEY. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. AND THERE'S A COUPLE AMENDMENTS HERE THAT -- ON THE DAIS EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT AMENDMENTS. WHAT A COUNCILOR PUTS FORWARD ISN'T WRITTEN IN STONE. I DO WANT TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY TO SAY THAT -- KIND OF LIKE WHAT I TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK WE WORKED ON THIS BUDGET EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS -- IT'S BEEN A WHILE. AND WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO SOME GIVE-AND-TAKE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONCEDED ON. I JUST WORRY, AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER AMENDMENT THEY WANT TO. BUT I WORRY ALL THAT WORK TRYING TO GET TO GOOD GOVERNANCE IS WHERE WE'RE NOT 100% HAPPY, THEY'RE NOT 100% HAPPY, BUT WE CAME TO A PLACE WHERE WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WAS BEING PUT FORWARD. I GET CONCERNED WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET CYCLE. JUST WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. I JUST REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY WORKED IN GOOD FAITH WITH US. IT WAS A LOT OF GIVE-AND-TAKE. I JUST WORRY THAT US PUTTING BACK OF THE CONCESSIONS IT GOES AGAINST THE WORK THAT WE DID AND THE WORK THEY DID IN GOOD FAITH. >>COUN. BASSAN: DID YOU STILL WANT INFORMATION FROM STAFF? >>COUN. PEÑA: WE CAN LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE I COME BACK TO YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR BACA DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? GO AHEAD. I HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL AND I'LL CIRCLE BACK. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I LOOK AT THIS AMENDMENT AND THAT'S A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOULD BE UPDATING EVERY MONTH. GENERATING THAT SHOULD BE EASY. EVERY MONTH IS A LOT. I THINK THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SO MANY AMENDMENTS IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GIVE-AND-TAKE WAS DURING THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BE A PART OF THAT. YOU HAVE TO TELL ME SOMETHING IS A GIVE-AND-TAKE AT THIS POINT. AND I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT AND WHY WE HAVE SO MANY AMENDMENTS. WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THIS. I DO WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO THE TAF. THEY PUT TOGETHER SOME STUDY SESSIONS FOR US. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SIGH ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MADAM CAO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT YOU PASSED RELITED TO A GRANT REPORTING RECORDING. WE CAN UPDATE THAT REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS BIANNUALLY TO NOW. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THIS -- WE'RE ALREADY DOING BIANNUAL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT COULD INCLUDE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN THAT REPORT AND UPDATE HOW WE DO THAT. IT'S AN OPTION TO CONSIDER SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THAT UNDER RESOLUTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK FOR ME IT'S ABOUT HAVING AS MUCH INFORMATION WHEN WE'RE DOING THE BUDGET AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE FUNDS HAVE BEEN MOVED IN HERE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEM. AND THAT WOULD REALLY HELP WAS -- US WITH THE OVERALL BUDGET PROCESS. THIS IS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND KNOWING WHAT THE CITY HAS AS A WHOLE FOR THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE TEAM TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE. FOR ME THIS IS ABOUT GATHERING AS MUCH INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET. I THINK I'LL KEEP IT HERE AND SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BASED ON THE VOTE. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACKS. THERE'S FOUR PLACES IN THIS AMENDMENT THAT MONTHLY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO QUARTER. ALSO, COUNCILOR BACA, YOU'RE THE SECOND ON THIS BEFORE THAT CHANGE HAPPENED. ARE YOU STILL OKAY WITH BEING THE SECOND? OKAY. THAT WAS A YES. I KNOW THAT ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT I HAD I SAID I'LL COME BACK AND FINE TUNE A DEFINITION. THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT I STRUGGLE WITH. I THINK THE INTENTION IS GOOD. I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY FOR THE BUDGET ORDINANCE WHEN WE HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR IT TO BE. I'LL WAIT TO SUPPORT THIS ONE. I THINK THE INTENTION IS RIGHT. I THINK IT NEEDS A DIFFERENT HOME. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NINE -- FIVE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. I DIDN'T SEE. CAN YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP AND KEEP YOUR HAND UP. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 5-4. MOVING ON TO AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. THIS IS LABELED AS S. COUNCILOR ROGERS AND COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS? F? >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR YOU. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT F, FOLLOWING SECTION AFTER SECOND 2-11-16. I WILL READ THE EXPLANATION. THIS AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES THE CITY COUNCIL AND COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF SHALL HAVE DIRECT ACTION FOR FINANCIAL SYSTEM DATA AND CALCULATION METHODOLOGY BY ADMINISTRATION AND PLACES INTO ORDINANCE STANDING REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE REQUESTED FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND CLARIFIES ACCESS APPLIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE AMENDMENT SPECIFIES THE ACCESS IS NON-MODIFIABLE AND LIMITED TO VIEWING AND BOTH BRANCHES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING SECURE USE OF FINANCIAL SYSTEMS AND DATA CONSISTENT WITH CITY POLICIES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR ROGERS, ANYTHING TO ADD TO OPEN? OR SHOULD WE GO TO QUESTIONS? ADMIN? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AGAIN, HAVING NOT SEEN THIS IN ADVANCE, OUR TEAM SCANNED IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. RIGHT BEFORE THE BREAK, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LOOK THROUGH THIS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. THE WORKING PAPERS AND DRAFTS WHEN STAFF IS WORKING ON CRAFTING INFORMATION AND NOT KNOWING IF IT'S ACCURATE YET, WE WOULD WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD SUPERVISORY REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS, THIS IMPLIES WORKING DOCUMENTS AND OTHER THINGS WE MAY BE USING TO BUILD INFORMATION WOULD BE EXPECTED. THAT'S MY FIRST INITIAL REACTION WITHOUT HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS WITH CLARITY OR DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCILORS AND SPONSORS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE NAMED OUT SPECIFIC SYSTEMS WE USE BECAUSE OUR STAFF HAS BEEN TOLD NO TO VIEW ONLY ACCESS FOR THINGS WE'VE ASKED FOR. SO, AS THE BODY OVER THE BUDGET, FOR ME IT WAS ALARMING TO HEAR A FLAT OUT NO. YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS. SO, I KNOW OUR BUDGET TEAM CAN GO IN DEPTH IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ACCESS THAT WAS. WE CAN SEND YOU THE EMAILS. FOR ME, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE -- I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T EDIT AND MOVING THINGS AND METALLING. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE READ-ONLY ACCESS TO OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEMS. PERIOD. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. WHELAN. MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, YOUR STAFF DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THE DSS TABLES. AND OTHER THINGS WE USE. I BELIEVE IT WAS A MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE THEY PROVIDED COUNCILOR LEWIS WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE DSS TABLES. THEY DO HAVE ACCESS. WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUDGET SYSTEM. BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. THAT IS COMING. SO, I THINK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH US, WE CAN HELP TRAIN THEM TO TEACH THEM ON WHAT THEY MIGHT BE TRYING TO PULL. BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT WORK WITH IT AS MUCH AS WE DO, BUT THEY DO HAVE ACCESS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL GO TO THE TEAM TO DISCUSS WHAT ACCESS THEY HAVE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DEPTH. LOOK, I'M PRETTY SURE -- YOU WANT TO COVER THAT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO AN INSTANCE WHERE WE ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC DSS TABLE WHICH IS PULLING DATA FROM OUR PEOPLESOFT SYSTEM. WE WERE TOLD WE COULD MISINTERPRET THAT DATA AND NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT IS IN WRITING. WE'RE HAPPY TO FORWARD THAT OVER IF YOU LIKE. AGAIN, I THINK THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE. BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED ACCESS. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOUR TEAM AND GO THROUGH WHAT ACCESS WE HAVE AND DON'T AND WHAT WE NEED AND DON'T. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. I THINK THAT WAS MY CLOSING. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. BEFORE WE GET TO A CLOSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A CLOSE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX TO O-67, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 6-3. MOVING ON, AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. LABELED G IN YOUR PACKETS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. BEGINNING ON PAGE 10, LINE 19 AMEND SECTION 2-1-7, C. IT'S TO REMOVE THE SENTENCE IN THERE TO EXTENT IT DOES NOT IMPEDE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET STAFF FROM COMPILING THE BUDGET BY THE DEADLINE. THAT IS ALL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMIN? MADAM CAO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND -- BASED UPON THE INDIVIDUALS PROVIDING INFORMATION AND THE INFORMATION BEING -- THE SAME STAFF POTENTIALLY TRYING TO COMPILE THE BUDGET AND SEEK OUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I GUESS I WOULD BE SURPRISED IT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF WE WERE EXPRESSED THAT IT WOULD DELAY THE BUDGET PREPARATION IS SOMEONE PEELED OFF TO DO SOMETHING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILOR, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE WAY I READ THE SENTENCE STRUCK IS TO SAY THAT WE WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE WE'RE TIMELY PROVIDING INFORMATION AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPEDE THE BUDGET STAFF'S ABILITY TO COMPLETE THE BUDGET ON DEADLINE. I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BUDGET STAFF TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE DEADLINE ON THE BUDGET IF WE DO THIS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANT IT REMOVED IN THE SENSE I WANT IT MORE BLACK AND WHITE BECAUSE IT'S A REQUEST OF THIS STEPS WE'RE ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO AND SHARE INFORMATION. AND I CAN SEE THAT SENTENCE BEING ONE OF AN EXCUSE OF WHY THINGS AREN'T DONE. THIS IS GOING TO IMPEDE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU CAN TELL ME AND THE BUDGET STAFF CAN TELL ME AND THIS BODY THIS IS GOING TO IMPEDE AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO CHECK THAT RESPONSE OTHER THAN TRUSTING YOU. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN USE THAT AS A BLANKET EXCUSE ON WHY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT OF REMOVING IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. WHELAN. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE WE ALREADY PASSED AMENDMENT D WHICH IS REQUIRING US TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN SECTION OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ANSWER EVERY YEAR. AND WE HAVE THE SECOND ROUND WHICH ARE THE DEPARTMENT-SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I THINK THOSE ARE WHERE THE QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED PER THE DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN BE SPECIFICALLY TO EACH AREA OF THE BUDGET. I THINK THIS AND TRY TO PROVIDE IT WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS COULD BE DONE WITHIN YOUR SUBMISSION TO THE DEPARTMENT. IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. THERE'S TWO ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS. WHAT WE PASSED EARLIER SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR. WE DOTHE SAME SEVEN QUESTIONS. AND WE WAALITY TO HEAR FROM COUNCILORS AND COUNCIL STAFF FOR DEPARTMENT-SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE IN THAT PROCESS THAT YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SO IF IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE, REMOVING THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE AN ISSUE? >>COUN. BASSAN: WAS THAT A QUESTION? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, MY COMMENTS COME FROM THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE'RE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND WHEN THE QUESTIONS COME THROUGH. WE JUST PASSED AN AMENDMENT THAT CAO WHELAN INDICATED WE'LL HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO PROVIDE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE PER MY PRIMARY QUESTION. JUST FOR PRACTICALITY THE QUESTION COULD COME THROUGH ON DAY TWO WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON COMPILING ALL OF THE INFORMATION DURING THAT SEVEN DAYS. WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION THAT WE NEED TO USE THE SAME STAFF TO GO AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITHIN FIVE DAYS AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTIONS WITHIN THE SEVEN DAYS. IT'S A PRACTICAL APPLICATION. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITED STAFF WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ENSURING WE'RE MEETING EXPECTATION FOR INFORMATION SHARING. IT FEELS A LITTLE REGIMENTED IN THE SENSE YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS TO COME BACK WITH WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE COME UP WITH. WE COULD HAVE FROM COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF AND COUNCILORS 15 PEOPLE PROVIDING QUESTIONS FOR 28 DEPARTMENTS. IT JUST STARTS TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS TIGHT. IF WE'RE ALSO ALREADY WORKING ON THE CURRENT QUESTIONS WE'RE WORKING ON. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF WHEN WE'RE IN THE TIMEFRAME AND HOW MUCH WE'RE COMPILING AND PUTTING TOGETHER OUR PROCESSES. FULLY OPEN TO THE PROSPECT WE SHOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION IN GOOD FAITH AND PROVIDE CORRECT, CLEAR AND IF IT IS AN ISSUE WITHIN PROVIDING IT WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. KNOWING THE PROCESS THIS IS GOING THROUGH. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO WITHDRAW THIS AT THIS TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. WE MOVE ON TO AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS LABELED H IN YOUR PACKET. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR ROGERS, AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES FOR HOW SALARIES DIRECTLY RESPONDS TO THE MAYOR AND BUDGET. IT REQUIRES THE DIVISION MANAGER AND CLASSIFIED DIVISIONS SELECTED BY THE MAYOR OR CHIEF OF STAFF BE BUDGETED WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AND REQUIRES TO BE REPORTED. AND ENSURES ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS ARE UPDATED. AND MADAM PRESIDENT, THESE WERE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE REQUIRED OF THE ADMIN LAST YEAR AS FAR AS WE CREATED AN ORG CHART THAT REFLECTED THIS. WE ACTUALLY HAD AN AMENDMENT TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT MADE THE BUDGET REFLECT THIS AS WELL. THIS FORMALIZES IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HOW ABOUT FROM THE ADMIN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THIS WAS THE UPDATE THAT OCCURRED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. I HAVE A SMALL REFLECTION ON THE FACT THAT IT FEELS UNUSUAL TO ME THAT FOR INSTANCE THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION SALARY WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND THOSE DEPUTIES AND -- SO WE UNDERSTAND THE FULL COST OF OPERATING THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. THAT WOULD BE DEPUTY DIRECTORS AS WELL. UNDERSTANDING THE TOTAL COST OF EACH THESE OPERATING BUDGETS IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE FOR ALL OF US. I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT FROM THE COUNCILOR OF THE SPONSOR OF THE AMENDMENT IS THE POSITIONS ARE APPOINTED OR UNCLASSIFIED POSITION AND THEREFORE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CAO AND THE MAYOR I WOULD SAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY IS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CAO. ALL POSITIONS ANYWHERE OPERATING UNDER THAT TODAY. IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AS TRANSPARENT AS THE INTENT WHICH IS AROUND THE IDEA OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COST IS WITH THE EACH DEPARTMENT. AND THE STAFF REPORTS TO THEM. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S FAIR. I HONESTLY DIDN'T -- THAT'S A GOOD POINT, TO BE HONEST. I THINK WHAT WE WERE -- WHAT OUR INTENT WAS TO LOOK AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. WE SHOULD PROBABLY EXCLUDE THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUDGET. IF WE NEED TO WITHDRAW THIS FOR NOW AND ADD IT LATER I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, MR. MOTSCO, UNLESS YOU THINK THERE'S AN EASY FIX RIGHT NOW? LET'S WORK ON IT. I'LL WITHDRAW. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION IS THAT, I THINK, CAO SENGEL ALLUDED TO IT. WE HAVE THE MAYOR'S OFFICES. WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHO IS BEING PAID FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. YET, THE CAO -- EVERYONE IS UNDER THE CAO. THAT'S REALLY THE WAY IT WORKS. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE STAFF. SO, JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY REPORT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE KIND OF ALREADY DO VIA THE CAO. LIKE THE ENTIRE CITY REPORTS TO THE CAO. WE WANT TO FIND SPECIFIC PEOPLE THAT RESPOND TO THE MAYOR. I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING HOW -- COULD YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, ARE YOU CATCHING MY DRIFT? HOW DO WE IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPECIFICALLY WORK FOR THE MAYOR WHEN THE CAO WORKS FOR THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AND UNDER THE CAO? I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BUDGETARY. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO IS REPORTING. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FROM OUR STAFF AND EVERYONE ELSE. IT'S JUST THAT -- IF YOU CAN HELP ME WALK THROUGH THAT FIRST AND I'LL FINISH MY SECOND THOUGHT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK I DO FOLLOW THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING. IT'S HARD TO FLESH OUT WHO EXACTLY WORKS BENEATH THE MAYOR WHEN WE HAVE THE CAO AS THE INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT DRAFTING AND REVISE THE AMENDMENT GOING FORWARD TO REALLY CAPTURE TRULY THAT WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND NOT ALL THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND DEPUTY DIRECTORS AND ALL THE PEOPLE BELOW THE CAO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MAYBE IF THE SPONSORS WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: I BELIEVE, COUNCILOR, THEY'RE GOING TO WITHDRAW IT FOR NOW. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LOTS OF TIME TO WORK ON THIS. BUT I DID WANT TO SAY THE CONVERSATION WE HAD DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR THAT KIND -- I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE BASIS FOR THIS, WAS AROUND DIRECT REPORTS EMBEDDED IN DEPARTMENTS. SO, I THINK THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE DIRECT REPORT THAT IS IN A DEPARTMENT THAT IS NOT A DEPUTY DIRECT OR DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR. IT WAS LIKE, WHOA, THIS PERSON IS IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BUT REPORTS DIRECTLY CAO. THAT'S VERY WEIRD. I THINK THE DIRECT REPORT, ECCLUDING DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, AND DEPUTY DIRECTORS WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. LOTS OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. RATHER THAN TRYING TO WORK ON THIS TONIGHT AND DO THAT -- THERE'S SOME TIME TO DO THAT. IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT REFLECTS WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WE'LL RE-INTRODUCE IT. I WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT IS WITHDRAWN. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE IN YOUR PACKETS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE OR COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST AN AMENDMENT THAT CLARIFIES THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET SUBMITTED UNDER 211-7 IS A DRAFT AND SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL. I THINK IT'S BETTER LANGUAGE MOVING FORWARD. HAVE PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. THE MAYOR'S BUDGET COULD BE THE BUDGET THAT'S PASSED AND MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S MANY AMENDMENTS TO IT. IT'S NOT THE FINAL BUDGET. AND SOMETIMES IN SOME YEARS THERE'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BUDGET THAT'S INTRODUCED AND IT'S SOMETIMES FAST. I THINK THIS GIVES US BETTER LANGUAGE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE? ANYTHING FROM ADMIN? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR LEWIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WHEN I READ THIS, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT WHEN I READ THIS A MAYOR'S DRAFT PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD IMPLY IT'S IN DRAFT FORM. WHEN WE SEND IT DOWN IT'S OUR FINAL PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT THE WAY IT READS IMPLIES IT'S A DRAFT -- THAT IT ISN'T THE FINAL. I'M NOT TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE IMPLIED WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSED BUDGET THAT ISN'T IN DRAFT FORM TO BE SENT DOWN OR ANYONE ELSE TO THINK THAT IS WHAT IT IMPLIES. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T THINK IT MEANS THAT, BUT -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK IT'S GOOD LANGUAGE THAT CLARIFIES WHAT IT IS. IT COULD BE A FINAL DRAFT, IT'S STILL A DRAFT UNTIL IT'S PASSED BY THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MS. KEEFE, LEGALLY SPEAKING, I KNOW THE CAO MENTIONED SHE'S NOT A LAWYER. IS THERE ANYTHING LEGALLY SPEAKING WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK THE ORDINANCE IN ITS CURRENT FORM AND REVISED FORM WHERE THE MAYOR SENDS DOWN THE BUDGET AND THE COUNCIL PASSES THE FINAL. REGARDLESS OF THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S THE PROCESS. I AGREE I THINK THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET AS ONE DOCUMENT AND THERE'S AMENDMENTS. BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL YOU CAN REFER BACK TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WAS CHANGED IN THE PROCESS. I THINK THIS IS ALL JUST TERMINOLOGY AND IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE IF IT'S IN DRAFT FORM DOES THAT MEAN THE MAYOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT'S SENT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS PROPOSED BUDGET? >> THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND REVISED ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. THE MAYOR SENDS THE DOWN THE BUDGET AND IT'S IN THE COUNCIL'S HANDS. I GUESS A QUESTION FOR YOU IS DOES THIS INTRODUCE AMBIGUITY IN THE PROCESS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I KIND OF THINK IT DOES. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SUED OVER IT. I'LL CLOSE. THAT'S MY CLOSE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYBODY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. WE'RE MOVING TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 10, LABELED J IN YOUR PACKET. THIS IS COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE AMENDMENT NINE. OR TEN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM AMENDMENT TEN BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S JUST ONE LINE. MAYOR'S PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET SHALL NOT INCLUDE NEGATIVE PROGRAM APPROPRIATIONS. THE AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THE BUDGET MAY NOT INCLUDE NEGATIVE PROGRAMMATIC APPROPRIATIONS. IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS THEY INCLUDED THINGS SUCH AS PROGRAM SAVINGS OR NEGATIVE APPROPRIATIONS. ALL APPROPRIATIONS INCLUDING THE BUDGET MUST REFLKT PROGRAM LEVEL FUNDING. THAT PROVIDES CLARITY TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE THOSE LINE ITEMS AREN'T NECESSARY PARTS OF THE BUDGET. THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND TO SPEND. I THINK IT BETTER REFLECTS ITEM B WHERE THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS, THIS IS THE BUDGET. AND IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIRED JUSTIFICATIONS. AND HERE'S THE COST OF IT AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO SPEND. IT DOESN'T REFLECT PROGRAM SAVINGS, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE BUDGET WAS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR TWO YEARS. IMAGINE IF WE JUST START A RESET. IMAGINE THE FIRST BUDGET OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE MAYOR EVER SENT DOWN NEVER HAD ANY PROGRAM SAVINGS BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. ALL IT IS IS LANGUAGE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE COMPARISONS WHICH ARE UNNECESSARY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, QUESTIONS? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK HAVING RECEIVED THIS AND READING THROUGH IT WITH ALL THE OTHER AMENDMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND READ THROUGH WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WILL BE DOING. AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS AND WORK WITH YOU ON THIS. LIKE I SAID, WE JUST RECEIVED IT. WE'RE NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR TO CLOSE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE APPROVAL. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 10 TO O-67. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? 8-0. THANKS. MOVING TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 11. COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I FORGOT THE NUMBER. I'M SORRY. AMENDMENT NUMBER -- >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON 11. >>COUN. ROGERS: 11, THANK YOU. BEGINNING ON PAGE TEN LINE 11 AMEND SECTION 2-1-7B PREPARATION ON THE CITY DEPARTMENT. INSERTING COUNCILORS AND COUNCIL SERVICES. THIS AMENDS TO INCLUDE COUNCILORS CAN BE INVOLVED AND ATTEND ANY BUDGET HEARING WE SEE FIT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. DID I MOVE IT ALREADY? >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT 11. SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. HOW DOES THIS WORK IF WE HAVE A QUORUM. THESE ARE NOT NOTICED MEETINGS. SO, JUST HOW WOULD THAT LEGITIMATELY BE PORTRAYED TO THE PUBLIC? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THIS WOULDN'T BE A TYPICAL PUBLIC MEETING. THAT WOULD BE NOTICED AND OPEN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD ALSO NOT NEED QUORUM -- WE COULD DO IN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE COUNCILORS ARE AT A PUBLIC EVENT, WE COULD FILE NOTICE OF POSSIBLE QUORUM WHICH GIVES NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC THAT FIVE OR MORE COUNCILORS MIGHT BE IN THE SAME SPACE BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT FORMAL COUNCIL BUSINESS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK LEARNING ABOUT THE BUDGET AND HAVING HEARINGS ABOUT THE BUDGET SOUNDS LIKE PUBLIC BUSINESS TO ME. I THINK I GO TO CITY ATTORNEY FOR CLARIFICATION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE DO THE NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM. I THINK THE CONCERN THAT IT IS CLEARLY A DISCUSSION ON A TOPIC THAT YOU'RE LATER GOING TO VOTE ON. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO WORK IN THAT SITUATION. WE'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THIS RIGHT NOW WHERE WHEN YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY MEETING THAT VIOLATES THE OMA, AND YOU LATER HAVE A MEETING, EACH PART OF YOUR MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK THERE WOULD BE CONCERN THIS MEETING THAT DISCUSSES THE BUDGET WHERE FIVE COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT WOULD VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I AGREE YOU CAN NOTICE THINGS. LIKE THERE'S A PARTY THAT FIVE OF US ARE GOING TO GO TO. I'VE SEEN THAT DONE AT HAD PUBLIC REGULATION COMMISSION. BUT IT'S NEVER FOR WORK-RELATED TOPICS. THIS IS CLEARLY A WORK HP -- RELATED TOPIC. THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS. I WOULD BE FINE IF IT'S COUNCILORS CAN SEND POLICY ANALYST BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE GETTING IN POTENTIAL TROUBLE AROUND OPEN MEETINGS ACT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME. I GUESS WE COULD SAY UP TO THREE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO ABIDE BY ALL THE RULES. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ASSUMING IN A BILL THAT WE'RE GOING TO VIOLATE A LAW. IT'S LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE INTO EVERY SINGLE LAW WE MAKE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO VIOLATE ALL OF OUR OTHER LAWS. I THINK THAT'S THE POINT HERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: I WOULD ADD TO THAT, WE CAN HAVE PROCESSES IN OUR OWN DEPARTMENT THAT MAKE SURE TO EXTEND THE INVITATION IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY SO WE DON'T MESS UP THE QUORUM. I THINK DEFINING THE NUMBER OR COUNCIL STAFF SO THAT COUNCILORS CAN SEND FOLKS ON BEHALF. I'M ONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SIT IN ON SOME OF THESE, MYSELF. I DON'T WANT TO BREAK RULES, BUT I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH PROCESSES SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE DON'T. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEYS, EITHER ONE. THIS KIND OF GIVES ME THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR THAT DOES THE BUSINESS OF THE BUDGET. THAT'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BUDGET WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE BUDGET STAFF. SO, THEN, IF WE SAY COUNCILORS CAN BE AT ALL THE BUDGET MEETINGS, THEN DO WE NOT MEAD A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR AND WE JUST HAVE -- FOR ME, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BREAKING QUORUM. IT'S A MATTER OF THEN IT SEEMS SO MUCH MESSIER -- I LIKE HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE ALL VOTED ON AND ARE -- HAS THE CONFIDENCE THAT WILL DO OUR WORK AND PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNCIL. AND THEN -- BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALL IN THOSE MEETINGS -- IF I'M THERE KNOWING WHAT I KNOW, OUR DESIGNEE MAY HAVE A WAY SHE'S HEADED WITH THE BUDGET AND I MESS IT ALL UP BECAUSE I HAVE THESE OTHER IDEAS. I GUESS MY QUESTION TO OUR ATTORNEYS IS DOES THAT BLUR THOSE LINES? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, IF WE'RE SETTING ASIDE THE QUORUM DISCUSSION, IT BECOMES A POLICY CHOICE FOR YOU AS COUNCILORS. IF YOU FEEL IT'S MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE VERSUS ATTENDING THE BUDGET HEARINGS, AND ALL NINE OF YOU HAVING THE OPTION TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S AN EFFICIENCY QUESTION FOR YOU ALL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. KEEFE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, CURRENT LAY THE COUNCIL STAFF WHO ATTEND THE BUDGET HEARING DON'T PARTICIPATE. THEY SIT AND OBSERVE AND PREPARE THE REPORT TO YOU. MY EXPECTATION WITH COUNCILORS WOULD BE THE SAME. THEY WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE AND BE ASKING QUESTIONS DURING THAT HEARING. THEY ASK DURING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. >>COUN. BASSAN: BEFORE I GO BACK -- I JUST WANT TO ADD MY TWO CENTS. IT'S NOT A SEPARATION OF POWERS THING. I FEEL IN MY GUT THAT IT FEELS THAT WAY. LET THE MAYOR PROPOSE HIS BUDGET OR HER BUDGET WHENEVER THAT MAY BE. LET THEM PROPOSE IT. LET THEM EAT CAKE. LET IT HAPPEN. LET OUR STAFF GO. AND LET US CHEW IT UP AND AMEND IT MAKE IT OURS. LET'S HOW I SEE THAT. WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO ADMIN AND COUNCILOR ROGERS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. THIS IS INTERESTING. IT'S NOT SEPARATION OF POWERS ON THE SURFACE. AT SOME POINT IT IMPLIES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUDGET THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTION NEVER HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET WITHOUT CITY COUNCILORS PRESENT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS IMPLYING TO ME. THAT, TO ME, IS A CONCERN IN THE SENSE THAT TODAY THEY ARE LABELED WHICH I QUESTION WHY THEY'RE CALLED THIS. CAO'S BUDGET HEARING SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE DIRECTORS AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT AND FINALIZING THE BUDGET. I'M NOT SURE THIS IS EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE SEPARATE -- WHAT THIS CAUSES IS FOR THERE TO BE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTION TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A BUDGET? WE ALREADY HAVE THE HEARINGS WITH COUNCIL STAFF THERE. COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF. AND AS CITY ATTORNEY INDICATED, THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW. IT FEELS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN STAFF BEING PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. I THINK FOR ME BEING HERE AS A COUNCILOR FOR TWO BUDGET CYCLES, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COLLABORATION ON COUNCIL OUTSIDE OF COW. THE COW CHAIR DOES ALL THE THINGS. WE GET THE BUDGET. THE COW'S BUDGET, WHEN IT GETS PUBLISHED FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION -- I HAVEN'T, MAYBE I'M NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT OTHER THAN THE TWO COW CHAIRS I HAVE HAD SAID WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE FOR RE-OCCURRING SPENDING. THAT'S IT. I DON'T GET ASKED ANY IDEA FOR THE BUDGET? ANY IDEAS FOR DEPARTMENT CHANGES? I GET ASKED NONE OF THAT. FOR ME, THE INTENT IS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY TOUGH BUDGET DECISIONS TO MAKE. STRAIGHT UP. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY TOUGH BUDGET DECISIONS TO MAKE. IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, COUNSEL TO COME UP TO TOUGH ANSWERS TO TOUGH THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS. I WANT TO FOSTER MORE COLLABORATION. TO HEAR THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT COUNCIL INVOLVED IN ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOPIC, I UNDERSTAND. THAT DOESN'T FOSTER TRANSPARENCY AND COLLABORATION WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS AS A TEAM. AND RIGHT NOW, I HAVEN'T FELT THAT. JUST SOMETHING MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON OR CLUE ME IN ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS. FOR ME, THAT'S THE INTENT FOR ME HERE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND COLLABORATING AS A WHOLE, LIKE THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS SUPPOSED TO, I THINK THAT'S MY INTENT. THAT WAS TO BE WHAT I WANT TO IMPART ABOUT WHY THIS AMENDMENT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR, THANK YOU FOR THIS AMENDMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SESSIONS COULD BE FOR. I DO UNDERSTAND HOW ADMINISTRATION HAS THEIR OWN MEETINGS TOGETHER. AND THIS RIGHT NOW WE WOULDN'T -- IF THIS WERE TO PASS, ALL WE COULD DO IS LISTEN. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATIONS. THAT WOULD NOT BE WHAT YOU WANT, BUT AS A STUDY SESSION, WE COULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND GET MORE OUT. >>COUN. ROGERS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I APPRECIATE THAT. WE WROTE THIS BEFORE WE KNEW THAT AMENDMENT WAS COMING. I THINK WRITING THIS BEFORE WE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE STUDY SESSIONS, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I WOULD LOOK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS TO SEE IF WE WANT TO STICK WITH THE STUDY SESSIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I DON'T MIND WITHDRAWING IT FOR MOW. IT TRULY DID COME OUT OF SOME DISCUSSIONS OVER THE BUDGET OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS. AND HOW OFTENTIMES EVEN AT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, WE'RE SCRAPPING FOR INFORMATION. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT. I WOULD ASK -- I'M FINE WITH WITHDRAWING IT. I WOULD ASK OUR STAFF SHOULD BE SEEN AS US. I THINK THEY'RE TRULY US. THEY REPRESENT US. WE'RE MARRIED IN THAT SENSE. IF YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM, YOU'RE TALKING US. I FEEL LIKE IF A COUNCILOR WANTED TO GO -- LIKE IF WE SHOW UP TO THOSE, WOULD YOU KICK US OUT? THAT WOULD BE WEIRD. THERE'S NO LAW PROHIBITING US, RIGHT? OR IS THERE? ANYWAY. WHATEVER. I'M FINE. I'LL WITHDRAW. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S STILL ANOTHER COUNCILOR. I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IF THE SPONSORS WITHDRAW, THAT'S FINE. I HOPE IT DOES NOT GO AWAY. MY FELLOW COUNCILOR TALKED ABOUT IT BEING THE SECOND BUDGET. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASSIVE BUDGET AND THE SIZE OF IT AND THE INTRICACIES OF GOVERNMENT THAT I WOULD ATTEND THOSE. NOT TO TALK OR HAVE INFLUENCE ON IT, BUT THE SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING AND LEARNING. IF YOU CAN ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IS PRESENTING AND REQUESTING AND THE INNER WORKINGS OF THAT, IT HELPS ME PERSONALLY AS A COUNCILOR TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET AND BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT AND MAKE AMENDMENTS OR NOT MAKE AMENDMENTS BUT UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. I THINK THE SPONSOR'S IDEA IS SHARE OF INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDING SO WE COULD BE A BETTER BODY GOVERNMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK IF YOU WITHDRAW IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. LET'S USE THIS AS THE CLOSE RIGHT BEFORE IT SOUNDS LIKE A WITHDRAW. >>COUN. ROGERS: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. DOES THE COW ATTEND THESE NOW? THEY DON'T ATTEND NOW? THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ARE WE STICKING WITHDRAWAL? >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL STICK WITH IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: AMENDMENT NUMBER 11 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. WE'RE MOVING TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 12. I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY PACKET. I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON YOUR iPAD. MAYBE YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR PACKET. I DON'T HAVE IT -- I'M DONE WITH IT. I'M GOING HOME. I HAVE IT IN MY iPAD. AMENDMENT NUMBER 12 IS COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 12. AMENDING SECTION 2-11-11A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET. PARAGRAPH AS FOLLOWS. WE ARE -- STRIKING SOME LANGUAGE AND SAYING CONFERENCE COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET SHALL CONSISTENT OF SIX MEMBERS. THREE MEMBERS SHALL INCLUDE MAYOR, CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AND ONE ADDITIONAL DESIGNEE. THREE MEMBERS SHALL INCLUDE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND OFFICIAL DESIGNEE. THIS SPECIFIES WHICH SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE OF THE BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR ROGERS, CONTINUE WITH AN OPEN. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IN OUR BRIEFING, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD EVEN THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 12? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT. JUST CLARIFICATION. THE THREE MEMBERS SHALL INCLUDE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COW CHAIR, AND ONE DESIGNEE OF THE COUNCIL. WE COULD ONLY HAVE ONE BUDGET STAFF ON THAT CONFERENCE COMMITTEE? THAT'S THE WAY I'M READING IT. THAT SEEMS A LITTLE STRANGE TO ME. I WOULD PREFER IT BE THE COW CHAIR AND WHOEVER THINKS THE COW CHAIR SHOULD BE THERE. I WOULD ASK THE ADMINISTRATION, WOULD THE MAYOR WANT TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE? MIGHT HE PREFER TO HAVE YOU AND TWO EXPERTS? >> >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I AGREE HAVING EXPERTISE IN THE ROOM RELATED TO THE BUDGET IS VERY HELPFUL. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CHARTER ACTUALLY ALREADY STATES WHO WILL BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. AND TO CHANGE THE MEMBERSHIP WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. KEEFE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I WOULD SAY THE CHARTER GIVES THE MAYOR THE ABILITY TO MAKE HIS APPOINTMENT. I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL CAN BY ORDINANCE SAY WHO HE IS GOING TO SEND. HE PICKS WHO HE SENDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN THIS UP TOO. LOOKING AT THE TEAM. JUST WANT TO GO TO THE TEAM. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE TO WITHDRAW SO WE CAN WORK ON THIS WITH THE TEAM. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT FIRST. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A WITHDRAW OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 12. WE'RE ON TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 13. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 13. LUCKY NUMBER 13. AMEND SECTION 2-11-3 PROCESS AND SEQUENCE FOR ESTABLISHING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. I WON'T READ THE WHOLE THING. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GOALS NEED TO HAVE A METRIC SO WE KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENT IS MEETING THOSE GOALS. THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES ALL FIVE-YEAR GOALS AND ONE-YEAR OBJECTIVES INCLUDE MEASURABLE INDICATORS THAT ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO EVALUATE PROGRESS TOWARDS ACHIEVING THEM. IT ALSO REQUIRES THE ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE ANNUAL REPORTING ON THESE INDICATORS AS PART OF THE EXISTING STATUS REPORT. THE AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES CONSISTENT METHOD FOR DOCUMENTING AND REVIEWING PERFORMANCE DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION AND OBJECTIVES. THE AMENDMENT REF RENESES THE BIANNUAL COMMUNITY CONDITION INFORMATION PROVIDED BY INDICATORS AND THIS INFORMATION MAY BE USED WHEN SELECTING OR EVALUATING INDICATORS. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 13. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANYWAY -- ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ADMIN? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS RESOLUTION -- NOT HAVING SEEN IT IN ADVANCE, BUT HAVING PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND I GUESS WANT TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE INTENT. BUT IT ALIGNS WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS AROUND HOW MEASUREMENT WITHIN OUR GOALS IS VALUABLE. AND HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE MEASURING. WE'LL CONTINUE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR ROGERS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT 13 TO O-67. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS THE END OF THE AMENDMENTS FOR O-67. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TAD. >> EXCUSE ME. >> JUST A SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MOVING ON. WE'RE BACK ON O-67 AS SUBSTITUTED AND AMENDED. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OH, DO YOU HAVE COMMENT FOR THIS? >> YES, I DO. >>COUN. BASSAN: PLEASE PROCEED. >> HERE IS -- LET ME START THIS WAY. WAY BACK ON THE 70s, I REMEMBER I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCILOR PEÑA REMEMBERS WHEN FIRST HOUSES WERE BUILT. I DON'T THINK SO. I'M A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN YOU. I WORK AS SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE DEVELOPERS. SO, FROM EL PASO, TEXAS. MAINLY IN WORK. I WAS A MEMBER TOO. WE HAVE A DRINK AFTER THE MEETING. THEN, WE HAD ALSO DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS CHARLEY BOSS. GERMAN. NO NONSENSE GUY. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS WORKING, HE WALKED UP AND SAID YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW. THAT'S THE PEOPLE WE HAD IN GOVERNMENT. MOVING ON. NOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN GOVERNMENT? GOVERNMENT IS IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE. CITY BECOME TOO BIG AND TOO POWERFUL. TOO BIG AND TOO POWERFUL. PEOPLE ARE JUST NUMBERS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. NOW, COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON O-67 AS SUBSTITUTED AND AMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW THIS BILL WAS INTRODUCED 11 MONTHS AND TWO WEEKS AGO. I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS BILL. JJ A COUPLE JJ A COUPLE QUESTIONS I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS ON PAGE NINE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT COUNCIL SHALL MEET AS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS AS NEEDED. AND ON PAGE 14, IT SAYS WE SHALL SCHEDULE AT LEAST THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M CURIOUS -- WHY WE STRUCK THREE OFF OF PAGE NINE, BUT KEPT IT ON PAGE 14? ANYONE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK THEY'RE REVIEWING. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE DID MOVE THAT. IT MIGHT BE AN OVERSIGHT BUT ON PAGE 14, SECTION 2-11-10 WE DO SAY SHALL SCHEDULE AT LEAST THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING ADOPTION AS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE'RE SETTING UP THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, AND LATER WE SAY WE WANT THE THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS STILL. IT'S MOVING WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SO, WE STRUCK THREE AND LEFT THREE AND THAT WAS ON PURPOSE? GOT IT. WE WILL STILL HAVE THREE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS EVERY YEAR UNDER THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I APOLOGIZE. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THREE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. IT HAS -- THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE STUDY SESSIONS AND OTHER SPECIAL MEETINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE, OTHER GROUPS THAT WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE BUDGET. THIS SPECIFICALLY STILL REQUIRES THE THREE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS WE USUALLY HAVE. IT DOES ALLOW THE COUNCIL AS A BODY TO HAVE OTHER SPECIAL MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THEY BOTH SAY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. I THINK WE'RE COUNTING AGAINST OTHER THINGS. THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, MAY NEXT QUESTION IS ON PAGE 12, LINE 1. THERE'S THIS WHOLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT SEPARATE STRATEGY FOR MOTOR COACH AND PARATRANSIT OPERATORS, MECHANICS, VEHICLE CLEANERS. I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PARAGRAPH IS INCLUDED IN HERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. LEMLER. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE AS IT STANDS TODAY, 2-11-20 IS PROGRAM STRATEGIES. IT IS WORD FOR WORD THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE. IT WAS AMENDED BACK IN 2023. THAT WAS PER THE SPONSOR'S REQUEST. WE ADJUSTED IT INTO THE APPROPRIATE SECTION INSTEAD OF MAKING IT ITS OWN. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT'S JUST MOVED FROM ANOTHER SECTION TO HERE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: DOES IT STILL MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE ENTERPRISE FUND PAYING THE SALARIES OF SECURITY OFFICERS SINCE WE'VE MOVED TRANSIT SECURITY TO APD? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IS THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS ARE STILL PAID FOR OUT OF THE TRANSIT ENTERPRISE FUND? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, AS SPONSOR, DID YOU WANT TO CLARIFY INTENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, THANK YOU. I THINK ININTENT -- I THINK THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WHEN WE MOVED IT, IT WAS JUST PUTTING IT IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE WITHOUT OVERSIGHT OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED OUT OF. YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD POINT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK COUNCILOR PEÑA'S ACCURATE. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY MAKE CHANGE BASED UPON THIS. I JUST CHECKED THE TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICE FUNDING. IT'S TRANSFERRED FROM TRANSIT TO APD TO PAY THE SALARIES. IT'S ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE TODAY. WE COULD PERMANENTLY MAKE THAT SHIFT. OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ARTICULATED THIS WAY. THAT'S HOW THE SECURITY OFFICER'S SALARIES ARE PAID HAD THROUGH TRANSIT TO APD TO COVER THAT. IT ALSO -- THIS ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR THE FACT WE HAVE SECURITY CONTRACTS WHICH ARE NOT SALARY BUT PAID BY TRANSIT. WE CAN CLEAR IT UP FOR A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR TODAY'S OPERATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION, PAGE 14. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE THE ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE PRINTED COPIES OF THE BUDGET. AND THERE'S A VERY STRICT TIMELINE. AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. I'M CURIOUS. WHY WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE PUT ON THE ADMINISTRATION? IF I NEED COPIES OF SOMETHING I CAN PRINT IT OUT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN IN A NEGOTIATION FOR 11 MONTHS AND TWO WEEKS. CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW THAT GOT NEGOTIATED? >> NARRATOR: MADAM VICE . >>COUN. PEÑA: THIS IS KIND OF AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN ONGOING WHEN WE HAVE THE BUDGET CYCLE. WHEN IT GETS SENT DOWN, BY THE TIME OUR STAFF HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRINT IT, IT DOESN'T GET IN ALL OF YOUR HANDS. WE FELT WHEN THEY SEND IT DOWN THEY COULD HAVE IT SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO US ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S NOT WHAT OCCURRED IN THE PAST. IT REFLECTS ON THE BUDGET CHAIR THAT IT DIDN'T COME ON TIME. BUT IT'S BECAUSE THE PRINTING AND GETTING IT TO EVERYONE. EVEN THOUGH WE CAN GET IT IN OUR iPADS. BUT SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE HARD COPY. I LOOK TO OUR STAFF TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEGOTIATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: WELL, REAL QUICK. AS MUCH AS IT PAINS YOU, COUNCILOR, I LOVE THE PAPER BINDER. I WORK WITH A LOT OF NOTES. POST-IT NOTES, HIGHLIGHTING, AND I PRETTY MUCH DO NOT LOOK AT THE BUDGET DOESN'T THAT HITS MY DISK. AND I KNOW IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE'S OTHERS IN THE PAST TOO OR CURRENTLY. THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE NICE. THERE'S ALSO BEEN, FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, AND WHEN I WAS COW CHAIR, THERE'S A HISTORICAL BATTLE OF WHO COVERS THE COST AND WHO DOES IT AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN. I APPRECIATE THIS IS ADDED IN THERE TO CLARIFY THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I WILL GO TO MR. MOTSCOTO ANSWER MADAM VICE PRESIDENT'S QUESTION ABOUT YOUR COMMENT/QUESTION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PRINT ANY COPIES AFTER DECADES OF THEM PROVIDING PRINTER COPIES TO THE COUNCIL. SO WE STRUGGLED MIGHTILY TO GET THAT TOGETHER. LAST YEAR, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED. THIS JUST PUTS IT BACK INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT IT MAKES IT CLEAR WE LIKE THEM TO PRINT COPIES WHEN REQUESTED FROM AT LEAST EIGHT OUT OF THE NINE COUNCILORS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS DOES SEEM A LITTLE MICRO MANAGING, IT DOES TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY OFF US. IF I GET A BUDGET IN LEN -- ELECTRONIC FORMAT, AND I WANT IT IN PAPER, I'M AN ADULT AND I CAN PRINT IT OUT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE STAFF. I THINK WE -- I'M GOING TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT STAFF IN COUNCIL SERVICES THAT SEEMS WHATEVER COPIES CAN BE MADE AND HOWEVER ANYBODY WANTS THEM ANY TIME THEY WANT THEM. I THINK OUR STAFF WAS SURPRISED AT HOW MUCH THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A BONE OF CONTENTION FOR US TO MAKE COPIES. SURPRISING JUST BASED UPON THE LEVEL OF AVAILABILITY OF STAFF WITHIN COUNCIL SERVICES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN CORRECT IN THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN OPT OUT. COUNCILORS CAN OPT OUT. I KNOW WHEN WE'RE SAYING THIS HERE AND WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW SILLY IT SOUNDS. BUT WHEN YOU'RE THE BUDGET CHAIR AND YOU THINK EVERYONE RECEIVED IT BECAUSE THEY GOT AN EMAIL BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED THE BUDGET, AND TWO WEEKS LATER YOU MAKE DECISIONS AND YOU HAVE COUNCILORS THAT SAY THEY DIDN'T GET THE BUDGET. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO SAY THAT A COUNCILOR COULD JUST OPT OUT SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRINTED. AND THAT -- BECAUSE SOMETIMES BY THE TIME A COUNCILOR WILL GET IT PRINTED FOR THEM, IT'S A LITTLE WAYS INTO THE BUDGET. SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN FIX THAT AFTER WE DEFER IT AND PUT IT TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN OPT OUT. I THINK SOMEBODY -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO HOP IN TO SAY THAT IS ALREADY COVERED IN THE BILL. IT SAYS SUFFICIENT PRINTED COPIES REQUESTED PRIOR BY CITY COUNCIL OF THE BUDGET SHALL BE PREPARED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE GET INFORMATION FROM THE NINE OF YOU ABOUT YOUR PREFERENCE ABOUT HOW YOU COLLECT THE BUDGET, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRONIC OR PRINTED. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MADAM VICE PRESIDENT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE MOTION TO DEFERRAL TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS DECEMBER 15th. I MAKE A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION FORFERRAL. THERE'S SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. MOVING TO R-183. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT, I MOVE ESTABLISHING AN EMERGENCY PARKS GRASS AND TURF RE PLACEMENT FUNDING FORCE TO ADDRESS THE DYING TURF AND GRASS CITYWIDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR LEWIS TO OPEN. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION AND DIRECTOR. SINCE WE FIRST INTRODUCED THIS, A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND GOOD HEADWAY. AND JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH GETTING OUR PARKS AROUND THE CITY UP TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. AND THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERN. IN THE SUMMER TIME, AT AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN REALLY LOSE A LOT OF OUR PARKS, OUR TURF, I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. I HAVE A BINDER FULL OF PARKS ALL AROUND MY DISTRICT. I KNOW ALL AROUND THE CITY. AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THERE WAS -- WE JUST DIDN'T GET AHEAD OF THE WEEDS AND SOME OF THE WATERING AND DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENED. AND IT CREATED AN EMERGENCY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKS BECAUSE IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR BEFORE THE SPRING, THEN WE CREATE A REAL CRISIS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE AND IT COST A LOT MORE MONEY. IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT -- I KNOW DIRECTOR SIMON SENT SEVERAL REPORTS TO US. ONE A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND ONE THIS AFTERNOON. GIVEN AN UPDATE. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TO PUT TIME AND RESOURCES THEY HAVE INTO IT. WHAT'S CLEAR -- AND I THINK BY READING THAT AND LOOKING AT THOSE REPORTS YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STILL NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. AND WE WON'T KNOW IF WE'RE WHERE WE NEED TO BE UNTIL THE SPRING. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT. AND SO, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME RESOURCES INTO IT NOW WHICH, FAIRLY QUICKLY, OR WE CAN PUT RESOURCES INTO OUR PARKS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO NOT LOSE SOME OF THOSE TURFS WHEN THIS NEXT YEAR COMES. JUST TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STAFF IS LOOKING HARD AT THE REVERSIONS THAT CAME OUT IN OCTOBER. THE PARK -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 2025 BUDGET YEAR WHICH GOES THROUGH JUNE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY BUDGETED AND SPENT THROUGH JUNE OF 2025. THAT BUDGET IS OVER. SO WE CAN'T GO BACK TO JUNE AND SPEND MONEY AND TO THE WORK WE COULD HAVE DONE THEN. SO, REALLY, ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THAT BUDGET IS DOING A FINAL CLOSING THE BOOKS. SO, IN OCTOBER, IT WAS REPORTED -- OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEMS AND REPORTS SHOW THAT THERE'S ABOUT $11.5 MILLION IN REVERSIONS. SO, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU HAVE $11.5 MILLION IN REVERSIONS, AND YOU HAVE $11 MILLION OR $12 MILLION IN OVERSPENDING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN A BAD TERM. I'M SAYING SOME DEPARTMENT SPENT MORE THAN THEY BUDGETED FOR. SO YOU HAVE A SHIFT. TO CLOSE THE BOOKS, YOU TAKE THESE REVERSIONS AND PUT THEM OVER HERE AND YOU GET TO A CLOSE IN THE BOOKS WITH EVERYTHING PAID FOR. AGAIN, IT WAS PAID FOR BACK IN JUNE. AND IT WAS BACK IN JUNE. NOW WE'RE DOING BOOK WORK TO CLOSE THE BOOKS ON. I POINT OUT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REVERTED -- I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS YET. OUT OF THE $11.5 MILLION, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REVERTED $2.5 MILLION. FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, NOT TO PUT BLAME ON ANYBODY OR POINT OUT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY DID WRONG, BUT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BUDGETED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. SPENT $2.4 MILLION LESS DURING THAT BUDGET YEAR. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT A LOT OF CONCLUSIONS OF WHAT WERE THE EFFECTS OF THAT. ONE OF THE EFFECTS OF THAT WAS -- COULD HAVE BEEN, WHETHER IT BE PERSONNEL WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR RESOURCES AT THAT TIME OR THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR PARKS WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE, IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. AGAIN, THE MATH TO THIS IS EVEN AFTER A REVERSION OF $2.4 MILLION, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN EVERYTHING IS CLOSED. I BELIEVE ALL WE'RE WAITING ON RIGHT NOW IS THE AUDIT, STATE AUDIT. WHICH USUALLY HAPPENS AT THE FIRST OF DECEMBER. BY NOW, WE WOULD HAVE THAT. I WOULD EXPECT WE WOULD HAVE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. AND AFTER EVERYTHING'S BEEN REVERTED AND ALL TIDIED UP FROM THE BOOKS, IF WE SEE THERE'S SOME MONEY LEFT OVER THERE, THIS BILL SIMPLY SAYS UP TO $2 MILLION WILL ALLOCATE TOWARD THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. I WOULD REMIND YOU THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REVERTED ABOVE$2 MILLION. WE MIGHT HAVE -- IT MIGHT BE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, IT MIGHT BE ZERO. IT MIGHT BE $10 MILLION. THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION ON HOW THEY ZERO EVERYTHING UP. WHICH IS UP TO THEM. THERE IS SOME LEFT OVER AND THIS BILL SAYS IT'S A PRIORITY DECISION AND SAY LET'S PUT THIS TOWARD SEEING IF WE CAN FIX SOME THINGS THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER AREN'T WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. I KNOW YOU HAVE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR R-183. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SECOND. WE DID NOT. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO R-183. ON PAGE TWO, AFTER SECTION TWO, INSERT THE FOLLOWING. RENUMBER SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS ACCORDINGLY. SECTION THREE DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS. $2 MILLION APPROPRIATED SHALL BE DISTRIBUTED EQUALLY AMONG THE THREE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE AREAS. EACH AREA SHALL RECEIVE $666,000, THE REMAINING BALANCE SHALL ME REALLOCATED TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION AREA. I'LL MOVE THAT AND EXPLAIN. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT I ASKED DIRECTOR SIMON WHAT WOULD BE BETTER -- I DON'T THINK DIVIDING THIS AMONG NINE COUNCIL DISTRICTS IS GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE TO WHAT THE GOAL IS. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE IT'S STILL EQUAL-ISH SPREAD AMONG THE CITY? WHILE I WILL SAY -- HE IS HERE -- WHILE HE WASN'T EXCITED ABOUT THE BILL, DIRECTOR SIMON MADE SURE TO SAY THESE THREE PARKS AND REC YARDS IS A GREAT WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS. LET THEM FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DIVVY IT OUT PLUS ALL THREE YARDS SERVICE THE ENTIRE CITY. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON OUR PARKS CAN GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S REALLY NEEDED AT OUR PARKS AND WHICH ONES ARE IN THE MOST EMERGENT SITUATIONS. AND THE TWO EXTRA DOLLARS IS BECAUSE THE SPONSOR'S YARD IS THE PINO YARDS TOO. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT IS TO SPREAD IT OUT WHERE IT'S NEEDED. I WOULD ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ENSURE THAT -- YOU GOT NUMBERS IN THERE, I WOULD ASK THAT WE CHANGE IT TO PERCENTAGE. LIKE DO 1/3 PERCENTAGE. BECAUSE THE BILL SAYS UP TO $2 MILLION. IF IT'S FIVE DOLLARS, OR A MILLION, OR WHATEVER. I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE DO 33%. IF THERE'S A FEW DOLLARS LEFT OVER IT GOES TO PINO YARDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: I HATE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, BUT I'LL GO FOR THAT. NO, I PREFER THE FRIENDLY ONE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT. CAN STAFF CAPTURE THAT? COUNCILOR GROUT, YOU'RE THE SECOND. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. AMENDMENT NUMBER IS DISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS UP TO $2 MILLION AMONG EACH OF THE THREE YARDS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION IN A 1/3 SPLIT. OR AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT IS FIGURED OUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. WE HAVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: IT'S JUST ME. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S JUST ME WORKING WITH THE PARKSES ADVISORY BOARD. THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB. AND THEY HAD SOME ASKS ABOUT ACTIVATING THE PARKS OR FUNDS TO HELP ACTIVATE THE PARKS. I THINK ANY TIME WE GET OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGED IS A POSITIVE. I SPOKE WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING SOMETHING HERE. I DO WANT TO CHANGE THIS. WE INITIALLY PUT IN $80,000. OF COURSE, CANNOT USE THAT NUMBER. CAN WE CHANGE IT TO 5%? UP TO 5%. THIS IS JUST TO HELP WITH THE ASK THEY BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD MULTIPLE TIMES. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF I'M CORRECT, THE MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO R-183 WHICH WILL SAY, 5% OF THE EMERGENCY FUNDS SHALL BE DEDICATED TO USE FOR THE -- >>COUN. BACA: RIGHT, WITH THE GUIDANCE AND CONSULTATION WITH METROPOLITAN PARKS AND RECREATION. WE CAN'T GIVE DIRECTLY TO A BOARD. 5% IS NOT REALLY THAT MUCH, TO BE HONEST. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> IF YOU DO $80,000, THAT'S 4%. >>COUN. BACA: I'M FINE WITH 4%. >>COUN. BASSAN: SO, 4% WOULD BE ACCURATE TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. I FEEL LIKE I'M BECOMING AN AUCTIONEER. >>COUN. BACA: I THINK THIS IS REALLY SOLID. NOT A LOT OF DOLLARS, BUT IT HELPS OUT OUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT? ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT IN THIS MESSAGE WHICH IS DURING THE COW BUDGET HEARING YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT FUND BALANCE IF IT'S AVAILABLE WOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES. THIS IS CHOOSING PARKS GRASS OVER ANY OF THAT FUND BALANCE BEING USED FOR EMPLOYEE SALARY INCREASES. IT WAS A HALF-PERCENT THIS COUNCIL VOTED ON. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THESE ARE THE FUNDS MADE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF THAT WERE THE PRIORITY. SECOND, IT ALSO REMOVES THE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE FOR THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS. IT IS MAKING A DECISION ABOUT FUND BALANCE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE WHEN WE ENTER INTO THE NEXT BUDGET PERIOD AND BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE FUNDS IN THE FY27 BUDGET. I ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHICH FISCAL YEAR. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES FOR US TO STATE THAT HERE. THAT IS A DECISION THAT YOU ALL -- IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. I HAVE SAID BEFORE AND I WHEN I WAS ASKED ON THE RECORD, YES, I PRIORITIZE PEOPLE OVER PARKS IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET. THAT WAS BASED UPON THE MANY WAYS WHICH WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE AND PROVIDING MOST OF OUR BUDGET GROWTH HAS BEEN RELATED TO SALARY INCREASES FOR EMPLOYEES. OUR GREATEST ASSET OF THE CITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU. WE'RE ON THE AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE AMENDMENT ON THAT. WE'RE GOING TO -- IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE $80,000 FOR PARK ACTIVATION. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS AT HAD PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. I TOTALLY SUPPORT. I JUST WANT TO ASK HOW PARK ACTIVATION PROJECTS FIT UNDER THE TITLE OF THE BILL WHICH IS TURF AND GRASS REPLACEMENT? AGAIN, $80,000, WE SHOULD FIND THAT AND GET IT IN THE BUDGET. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FITS IN THE CONFINES OF THIS BILL. >>COUN. BACA: WILL WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE TITLE TO THIS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK WE CAN FIT THIS WITHIN THE UMBRELLA TERM OF EMERGENCY TURF REPLACEMENT PROGRAMMING. AND JUST SAYING THAT THE TURF EXPENDITURES WILL BE MADE IN CONSULTATION WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT. LET ME ASK THE SPONSOR, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS IS 80K FOR PARK ACTIVATION WHICH WOULD BE SPONSORING EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN PARKS. PARK ACTIVATION WOULD NOT BE ACTUAL GROUNDSWORK WITHIN THE PARK? >>COUN. BACA: MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK IT DOES HELP. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO REPORT WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR NOT FIXED. THAT'S HOW THIS PARTIALLY ALL STARTED. THERE'S SOME FRAY -- GRAY IN THERE. IT'S MORE DIRECTLY TOWARD THAT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALLOWED. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO R-183. I DO HAVE RESERVES OF GOING FROM EMERGENCY TO ACTIVATION. IT IS A HARD THING FOR ME TO SWALLOW. I WAS CLOSE TO BEING ON THE EMERGENCY OF TURF QUALITY OF LIFE AND HELPING TAXPAYERS AND FAMILIES. IF WE START THROWING THAT IN, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX FOR ME PERSONALLY, RATHER THAN TRULY TRYING TO CUT DOWN DEAD TREES. THAT'S DIFFERENT. TURF TURF TURF. THIS WHOLE THING IS TURF. THE WHOLE TIME, UNTIL NOW. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. TO ME, IT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE BILL IS IMPROVING THE PARKS. WHETHER THAT'S DIRECT TURF OR SOME OTHER ASPECTS. IF THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM, I'M FINE WITHDRAWING AND GET IT SOME OTHER WAY. I CAN GO EITHER WAY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THINK ON ITS FACE THE AMENDMENT READS AS THE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR TURF, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TITLE OF THE BILL. IF THE INTENTION IT BE USED FOR ACTIVATION PURPOSE, I THINK IN THAT CASE IT DOESN'T READ THAT WAY IN THE AMENDMENT, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A TITLE CHANGE TO USE THE FUNDING IN THAT WAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. I AGREE WITH IT TOO. IT SAYS TURF REPLACEMENT IN THE AMENDMENT. I CAN'T REALLY SEE UP THERE. IF IT SAYS ACTIVATION UP THERE, THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING MAYBE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAD BROUGHT THAT UP. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT. I'M WITHDRAWING THIS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK BEGIN FAITH DURING THE BUDGET SEASON TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. I THINK IT IS A WORTHY PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES. THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS TRYING TO DO GOOD THINGS. I WITHDRAW THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: AMENDMENT TWO WITHDRAWN. ANY OTHERS? FIRST TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. I KNOW YOU WANTED TO RESPOND. OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED IT SAYS IT SHOULD BE UP TO $2 MILLION. THE WORDING IN THE BILL SAYS NO LESS THAN $2 MILLION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT LINE IS THAT? >>COUN. ROGERS: IT IS ON PAGE TWO, LINE 17. FOLLOWING FINALIZATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2025 FINAL REPORT, NO LESS THAN $2 MILLION OF THE FUND BALANCE WILL BE APPROPRIATED. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE SAY UP TO AND THEN WE SAY NO LESS? OR IS THAT IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT THE SECOND TIME? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE DO NOT SAY UP TO. IT'S NO LESS THAN $2 MILLION. BUT IF THE FUND BALANCE COULDN'T COME IN, WE'LL USE UP TO THAT AMOUNT OF THE FUND BALANCE. THERE'S SOME -- >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE PERCENTAGE. IT'S $2 MILLION. BUT IF IT'S A MILLION, THEN IT'S A MILLION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE -- I GUESS UP TO REALLY IS -- I GUESS THAT WAS MY LANGUAGE THAT REALLY SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S OKAY. IN YOUR WORDING IT SAYS UP TO, BUT HERE IT SAYS NO LESS. I INTERPRET THAT AS IF WE HAVE $2 MILLION, THE FULL $2 MILLION GOES TO THIS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I FEEL LIKE THAT'S CLEAR AS MUD. IS IT NO LESS OR UP TO? BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO OPPOSITE THINGS. BUT MR. MOTSCO SAID IT'S LIKE THE SAME THING. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S $2 MILLION, UNLESS THERE'S LESS THAN THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: FOLLOWING THE FINALIZATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2025, FINANCIAL REPORT, NO LESS THAN $2 MILLION OR FUND BALANCE SHALL BE APPROPRIATED TO THE EMERGENCY PARKS GRASS AND TURF REPLACEMENT PROJECT. IT DOESN'T SAY UP TO. >>COUN. LEWIS: EXACTLY. $2 MILLION. IF THERE'S $3 MILLION. IF IT'S $10 MILLION, IT'S $2 MILLION. IT IS WHAT IT IS. >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT AN UP TO IN THIS AT ALL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE GRT EARLIER. WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR OUR OVERALL PROJECTION FOR THE MID-YEAR? ARE WE -- THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE WE REALLY DID MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FUND EMPLOYEES. AND I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE, WHICH IS GREAT. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS SO FAR. AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US IN TERMS OF THAT BALANCE. AND DOES IT APPEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR BOTH THINGS? AND IF THERE'S NOT, I GET CONCERNED. I WANT TO SUPPORT COUNCILOR LEWIS, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH FOR THE EMPLOYEES PERCENTAGE RAISE. CAN YOU GIVE ME A PROJECTION OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, MS. BENNER PRESENTATION INDICATED THAT WHEN THE FY26 BUDGET WAS PRESENTED THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL AGREED WITH A 3.8% INCREASE, YEAR TO YEAR. THAT WAS THE PROJECTION. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE 3.8% MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WAS $881 MILLION. DON'T QUOTE ME. IT WOULD BE ABOUT 4% OVER THAT. THE FIRST THREE MONTHS HAVE BEEN REPORTED BY SANTA FE. ACCORDING TO THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE 2.1% OVER THE 3.8. WE'RE COLLECTING RIGHT NOW AFTER THREE MONTHS, ABOUT 5.9% MORE THAN LAST YEAR. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DELTA OF THE 2.1 OVER THE PROJECTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: MADAM PRESIDENT, 2.1 OVER, YET WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE CHRISTMAS SEASON IT LOOKS LIKE. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN? NO? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR LEWIS TO CLOSE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YEAH, I MEAN, I'M GLAD WE BROUGHT THAT UP. AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET THAT CLOSED SIX MONTHS AGO. SIX MONTHS AGO. ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST SQUARING THE BOOKS. IF THERE'S SOME MONEY THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED, THAT'S WHAT IT GOES TOWARD. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHEAP SHOT BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO SAY OH, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SALARIES AND -- THAT'S ABSOLUTELY JUST NOT TRUE. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE OTHER BOOK OF MONEY TO BUILD A WHOLE NOTHER BUDGET ON AND BE ABLE TO USE -- YOU GOT A PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT REVERTED OVER $2 MILLION. SO, YOU CAN MAKE IT UP THERE, OR MAKE IT UP WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT REVERTED SOME AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT SPENT IT OVER. AGAIN, I'M GLAD WE CLARIFIED THAT. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR R-183 AS AMENDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. WE'RE MOVING TO R-204. COUNCILOR BACA BY REQUEST. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. REPEALING THE ST. JOSEPH MRA. THEY'RE TRYING TO CLEAN THINGS UP. AND I AGREE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE GETTING CLEANED OUT. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT MRA TO DO. MAKE IT ITSELF UNNECESSARY. IN THIS AREA, IT'S CLEANED IT UP. IT'S MADE IT BETTER. AND WE CAN MOVE ON. I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THE MRA IN MY DISTRICT WILL NOT BE NECESSARY. I AM GLAD. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. OBVIOUSLY, THANK YOU TO THE MRA FOLKS OUT THERE. JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR MYSELF. I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T ASK THIS DURING THE WEEK. THAT'S MY FAULT. MADAM PRESIDENT, OR STAFF, THIS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. I EXPECT IT TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE DON'T PUT THEM ON CONSENT AGENDA. WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, MRA LEGISLATION HAS VERY COMPLICATED PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS PER STATE STATUTE THAT INCORPORATE ENHANCES THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE COULD HAVE PUT IT ON CONSENT, BUT TO ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WE KEPT IT ON FINAL ACTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS OF R-204. EVERYONE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. WE'RE ON R-A8. AMENDING ORDER OF BUSINESS. I MOVE DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. THIS IS THE RULES FOR COUNCIL SAYS THAT ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT WE PULL WILL END UP BEING HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHICH IS NOT HOW WE DO THINGS. WE TYPICALLY DO IT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S CLEANING THAT UP. AND WORKING AND SPEAKING WITH THE ADMIN AND STAFF, AT THE END OF EVERY CALENDAR YEAR THERE MIGHT BE OR HAS BEEN, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR, SOME LEGISLATION THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE DAYLIGHT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SENT DOWN. WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE THE SPONSOR CHANGED THEIR MIND OR -- ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT KEPT ANYTHING BACK, THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS THE RIGHT TO NOT PUT STUFF ON AN AGENDA. SO, THIS IS SAYING THAT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT EVER INTRODUCED THAT CAME DOWN ORIGINALLY FROM THE ADMIN BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR THERE CAN BE SOME DOCUMENTATION AND A TRANSMITTAL BACK SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER HOUSEKEEPING THEY NEED TO DO ON THEIR END AND WE CAN DO ON OURS TOO. WITH THAT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TAD. >> THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. JUST A SECOND. OKAY. AGAIN, MY NAME IS TAD. ALL THE WAY BACK IN WEST GATE. WE BUILD ON QUARTER ACRE LOTS. NOW IT'S HOUSING TO SHELTER PEOPLE. WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IN THAT AREA NOW? ALL THE SOUTHWEST OF ALBUQUERQUE, LOTS ABOUT 25 FEET WIDE AND THEY'RE ALSO MOBILE HOME DOUBLE WIDE SET. THESE HOUSES ARE TW STORIES HIGH. BACK TO BACK. AND THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD. >>COUN. BASSAN: PLEASE PAUSE THE TIMER. >> THAT IS -- >>COUN. BASSAN: I PAUSED YOUR TIMER SIR. I -- >> NARRATOR:. >>COUN. BASSAN: >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAD THEM PAUSE YOUR TIMER. YOU MAY USE YOUR REMAINING TIME. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ON THE BILL WE'RE ON, SIR. >> I'M BACK TO RIGHT HERE. >> SPECIFIC BILL. ALSO, CHANGES -- THAT IS SUCH CONTROL PROBLEM WITH THE CITY. HERE IS COUNCILOR BACA -- COUNCILOR BASSAN SIGNED THIS BILL. WHAT SHE'S DOING? SHE'S TRYING TO COVER UP IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE DICTATORSHIP. UNDER MY DISCRETION, YOU PRESIDENT, UNDER DISCRETION. CHANGING THIS -- MODIFYING THIS BILL. I'M TALKING ABOUT CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YES. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE ON R-A-8. ANY QUESTIONS? I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-A-8 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. WE ARE DONE WITH FINAL ACTIONS. THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS. WE ARE MOVING TO ADMINISTRATION Q&A. COUNCILORS, QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TONIGHT? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. BEFORE OUR HOLIDAYS, WE HAD SOME BRIEFINGS ABOUT OPERATIONS FOR GATEWAY. ALL THE GATEWAY NETWORKS. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW ON WHEN WE RECEIVE THE INFORMATION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE ARE FINALIZING THAT. I THINK THE TEAM HAS IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW IT BEFORE WE SEND IT TO YOU ALL. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, IMMEDIATEM PRESIDENT. THAT WAS IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANYWHERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.