. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER TONIGHT IS MONDAY, JUNE 30TH, 2025. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS JOINING US HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, EVERYBODY WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU'RE ABLE PLEASE STAND REMOVE ANY COVERINGS AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING OUR LAST MEANING OF THE FIRST HALF OF 2025 IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR ALREADY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA AND ENTER OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING UNDER ITEM TWO OUR INTRODUCTORY BUSINESS WE HAVE ITEM 2.1 WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW COUNCIL SECRETARY. OUR CONSENT BUSINESS IS 16 ITEMS LONG. COUNCILMEMBER HAS A CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT UNDER ITEM FOUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT. ITEM 4.1 WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK AND BIKE EASEMENTS. ITEM 4.2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT OUR SIGN CODE LOOK BACK THAT'S OUR ORDINANCE. WE'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES SO THIS IS OFFICIALLY PART TWO. ITEM 4.3 IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS REGARDING THE SAC FEE ORDINANCE. IT'S AN UPDATE RELATED TO THE TWO ICC CHARGES UNDER ITEM FIVE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS FIVE ITEMS THERE AS WELL. WE'VE GOT A 5.1 A DISCUSSION ON OUR PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE ITEM 5.2 A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AT WEST 84TH STREET AND NORMANDY BOULEVARD AND 5.3 IS A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WE WILL DO THAT IN 5.4 OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY END WITH AND WE WILL END THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING WITH THAT BECAUSE THEN ITEM 5.5 IS A CLOSED SESSION REGARDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR THE START SALT STORAGE BUILDING. WHAT WE'LL DO AFTER 5.4 WILL CLEAR THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN TO ADJOURN COUNCIL THAT IS OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE NIGHT'S AGENDA? HEARING NONE I WOULD MOVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING NOT FEELING WELL TONIGHT WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR INTRODUCTORY ITEMS. ITEM 2.1 IS COUNCIL SECRETARY APPOINTMENT. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ELIZABETH SALZMAN . MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW COUNCIL SECRETARY AND EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MISS PRIYANKA RYE. MISS RYE COMES WHO COMES TO US WITH EXTENSIVE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE. SHE PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF SHOREVIEW AS A DEPUTY CITY CLERK WHERE SHE HELPED PREPARE THE PROVIDED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE TO THE CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AND CITY COUNCIL. SHE PREPARED COUNCIL PACKETS AND MINUTES AND ALSO MAINTAINS CITY RECORDS SUCH AS RESOLUTIONS ORDINANCES, RECORD AND PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES AND SHE ALSO PROCESS LIQUOR, TOBACCO, CANNABIS GAMBLING, MASSAGE AND PEDLER PERMITS AS WELL FOR THE CITY OF SHOREVIEW . PRIOR TO THAT SHE WORKED FOR THE MANSFIELD PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE SHE ASSISTED STUDENTS AND FAMILIES INTO ENROLLING INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND JUST ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS FROM FAMILIES AS WELL. I WANT TO READ ONE QUOTE AS PART OF HER APPLICATION MATERIAL THAT I THOUGHT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR HER. SHE SAYS I WISH TO SERVE AND BE PART OF THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY OF BLOOMINGTON. MOST IMPORTANTLY WITHIN THE CITY, A BOOMING TRANSMISSION OF CULTIVATING AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. AS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT I'D BE COMMITTED TO FOSTERING POSITIVE RELATIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY THROUGH MY WORK ALONG WITH A FOCUS ON GIVING BACK TO AND STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITY WE SERVE. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTICED THAT OUTSIDE OF WORK SHE ENJOYS READING GARDENING PAINTING AND DOING CROSSWORD PUZZLES WITH HER FAMILY. SHE ALSO ENJOYS BIKING, HIKING AND WATCHING A GOOD MOVIE AS WELL. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. I AM SO EXCITED TO BE IN THIS ROLE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND DOING GREAT THINGS TOGETHER. WELL THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THANKS FOR JOINING US HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU HERE ON STAFF AND READY TO SEE YOU JUMP RIGHT IN WITH BOTH FEET AND EXCITED THAT YOU'RE HERE FROM SHOREVIEW. I MEAN LET'S BE HONEST. WE'RE JUST EXCITED THAT YOU'RE HERE INSTEAD OF SHOREVIEW. SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL THAT JUST WASN'T CEREMONIAL. WE DO HAVE A MOTION THAT THE COUNCIL SECRETARY APPOINTMENT IS OFFICIAL CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT. AND SO I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPOINT PRIYANKA RAY AS SECRETARY TO THE CITY COUNCIL EFFECTIVE JUNE 30TH, 2025. AND DENISE CHRISTIANSEN SPECIAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR AS THE ACTING SECRETARY WHEN THE SECRETARY IS ABSENT SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENT AS STATED. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU MUCH FOR BEING HERE WITH US TONIGHT. ITEM THREE IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS. COUNCILMEMBER HAS THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY HOLES FOR ANYBODY LAST CALL ANYBODY . HEARING NONE. THEN I WOULD MOVE CONSENT ITEMS 3.1 THROUGH 3.16 AS WRITTEN IN THE AGENDA. >> SECOND MY MOTION MY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA AS STATED. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. MR. MAYOR, REAL QUICKLY, COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD THIS BECAUSE BUT ON A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA, THERE ARE SOME ADJUSTMENTS UPWARD TO SOME OF THE CONTRACTS THE SUBCONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY. MY MY QUESTION WOULD BE AND NOT NOT NECESSARILY FOR AN ANSWER ANYTIME SOON BUT LIKE JUST A IS I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT'S A FUNCTION OF US GETTING THE MACRO LEVEL DEAL DONE BEFORE WE KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE MINOR, THE MICRO LEVEL STUFF AND HOW THOSE THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE ALL OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE INDICATE BEEN UNDERNEATH THE ACTUAL TOTAL BUDGET. SO THERE WAS NO BUDGET VARIANCE OF ANY KIND BUT THERE WERE THERE WERE CHANGES THAT WERE BEING MADE TO THOSE ALLOCATIONS AND I'M LOVE TO LIKE TO UNDERSTAND JUST THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF WE COULD MAYBE WE CAN GET BETTER AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW MAYBE IT'S A NORMAL PART OF BUSINESS. BUT TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENS AND THAT CAN BE TAKEN OFFLINE BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT AND STAFF I'M SURE HEARD AND WILL GET AN ANSWER TO YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNSEL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT? WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. FIRST PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEM 4.1 IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK AND BIKEWAY EASEMENTS OVER AND ACROSS LOTS ONE, TWO, THREE BLOCK ONE TINLEY AND LOT ONE BLOCK ONE GO FOR OUTLOOK. HENNEPIN COUNTY, MINNESOTA JULIE LONG OR CITY ENGINEER IS HERE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT TEAM L.A. MEANS. BUT SO MR. MAYOR THAT'S JUST THE NAME OF THE PLAT. SO AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT NAME YOUR PLANT SOMETHING OFFENSIVE HENNEPIN COUNTY WILL ACCEPT IT. OKAY? EVEN IF YOU NAME IT GO FOR OUTLOOK OR YOU CAN NAME YOU KNOW VERY GOOD IF YOU'RE A WISCONSIN FAN LEARN SOMETHING NEW. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THIS ONE IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD COUNCIL YOU APPROVED TO THE PLAT THE REPLANTING OF THESE LOTS BACK IN MAY SO THIS IS JUST VACATING THE EXISTING EASEMENTS SO THAT IT'S READY FOR REPLANTING AND THEN THE NEW EASEMENTS WILL BE EITHER ENCUMBERED BY THE NEW PLAT OR BY DOCUMENTS THAT'S FILED AFTER FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. LONG ON THIS ONE? NO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1. AS I SAID, THIS IS REGARDING AN ORDINANCE FOR VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK AND BIKEWAY EASEMENTS OVER AND ACROSS LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE BLOCK ONE TEAM LEE AND LOT ONE BLOCK ONE GO FOR OUTLOOK. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.1 THIS EVENING? MISS RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? NO, I'M THERE. THERE IS NO ONE ON THE PHONE. NO ONE ON THE PHONE. LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS COUNCIL? NO ONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMING FORWARD? NO ON THE PHONE LOOKING TO SPEAK TEN AND 4.1 I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1. SO MOTION ANYTHING BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO IT'S COUNCIL UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ANY CONCERNS ANYTHING ANYONE WANTS TO DISCUSS REGARDING ITEM 4.1 IF NOT I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION. COUNCILMEMBER FOR THANK YOU MAYOR HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> I'D MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK AND BIKEWAYS MEANS OVER AND ACROSS LOTS ONE TWO AND THREE BLOCK ONE TIM LE AND BLOCK ONE BLOCK OR LOT ONE BLOCK ONE GO FOR ALL THE KIND OF IN COUNTY MINNESOTA SECOND MOTION MY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND MY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT THE ORDINANCE OUTLINED IN ITEM 4.1 AS DESCRIBED BY COUNCILMEMBER NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR POINT TO A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IN THE EVENING. THIS REGARDING A SIGN CODE LOOKBACK ORDINANCE PART TWO MR. JOHNSON OUR PLANNING MANAGER WILL LEAD US THROUGH THIS. GOOD EVENING MR. JOHNSON. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MEMBERS THANK YOU. SIGNS AGAIN. AND MR. MAYOR, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TIME MR. JOHNSON'S BEEN BEFORE US BEFORE 8:00 OF THE EVENING. IT'S CELEBRATION IN AND OF ITSELF. NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, THERE'S SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS LAST LOOK BACK AT THE SIGN CODE AS RECENTLY ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY NOT THE LAST ONE EVER BUT JUST AS PART OF THIS DISCRETE PROJECT. SO I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. SO THERE'S TWO ISSUES BEFORE YOU THAT WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS BACK IN APRIL YOU REQUESTED BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE YOU TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOK AND SO I WILL PRESENT THOSE TO YOU RIGHT AWAY HERE. SO AGAIN THE SAME CODE WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2024. WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU THE ONE YEAR LOOK BACK AS A COMMITMENT TO THE PUBLIC AND BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WONDERING HOW THE CINCO WILL PERFORM. SO WE DID THAT ON APRIL THE 28TH AS PART OF THAT MEETING REQUESTED THESE ITEMS COME BACK. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ORDINANCE ON JUNE THE 5TH. I WOULD NOTE THAT THEY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE ORDINANCE ON A 5 TO 1 VOTE JUST TO SHARE THAT THAT PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT VERY MUCH TRACKED WHAT THEY'RE DISCUSSIONS AROUND ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND OTHER THINGS AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS SIGN CODE DISCUSSION. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT. SO BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ONE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING SO THE TWO ISSUES BEFORE YOU IN THIS ORDINANCE HAVE TO DO WITH BUILDING SIGNS ON OUR TALLER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON, THOSE THAT ARE SEVEN STOREYS OR TALLER. SO THIS IS MOSTLY OFFICE BUILDINGS AND SOME HOTELS RIGHT NOW THERE IS A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF BUILDING SIGNS PER BUILDING ELEVATION THAT CAN BE ABOVE THE SECOND STORY OF THE BUILDING. AND THE REASON WHY THERE IS SEPARATE REGULATIONS AROUND THAT IS THAT THESE ARE VERY VISIBLE, HIGHLY VISIBLE SIGNS. THEY TEND TO BE QUITE LARGE. THEY TEND TO HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGHER VISUAL IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY THAN SIGNS ON OTHER BUILDINGS JUST FOR THE FOR THE SHEER DISTANCE THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU THAT LANGUAGE IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE . THIS IS THE EXISTING CODE. IT SAYS SIGNS ARE LIMITED TO ONE BUILDING ONE PER BUILDING ELEVATION. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, THIS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS FROM 1 TO 3 PER BUILDING ELEVATION. I'LL TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE REASON WHY TO DO THAT IN A MOMENT BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWANCE DOES NOT CHANGE WITH THIS ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS A SHEER CHANGE TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED. SO WHY EXPAND SIGNAGE ON TALL BUILDINGS? MOST OF THE TALL BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON DO HAVE A VERY FAIRLY SIMILAR FOOTPRINT. THEY TEND TO BE LARGER TRIANGULAR BUILDINGS OR SQUARE SHAPED BUILDINGS JUST FROM A FOOTPRINT STANDPOINT KIND OF HAVING VERY SIMILAR CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE A FEW TALL BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THIS REGULATION THAT PRESENT MULTIPLE FACES THAT ALL FACE THE SAME BUILDING ELEVATION WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE NORTH ON CENTER THERE ON THE LEFT BELL PLAZA THERE ON THE RIGHT. THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THIS RESTRICTION WHERE SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE HIGHER UP ON THE BUILDING LIKELY WOULD NOT BE ACCESSIBLE FROM A VISUAL CLUTTER STANDPOINT. SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT CERTAINLY ARE SUBJECTIVE AND ACCORDING TO THE BEHOLDER OF COURSE. BUT THE EXAMPLE ON THE LEFT WAS AN ACTUAL REAL WORLD SCENARIO WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER WAS INTERESTED IN PROVIDING MORE SIGNAGE FOR A TENANT ULTIMATELY THEY COULD NOT DO THAT UNDER THE CURRENT PROVISIONS OF THE CODE EVEN THOUGH IT APPEARS LIKE THESE ARE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE BUILDING. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT IT IS JUST YOU KNOW AND WE'LL GET TO THIS ON THE ELECTRONIC SIGN SIDE TOO THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE BETWEEN THE ESTHETICS OF REGULATION TRYING TO KIND OF PROTECT THE OVER COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE PUBLIC REALM. AT THE SAME TIME, COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS IMPORTANT TO HELP BUSINESSES BE SUCCESSFUL, ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCTS, THEIR SERVICES. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND CAN BE HELPFUL FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. EVERY TIME I COME UP HERE IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING HAPPENING SO THAT'S KIND OF GETS TO THE WHY . THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE BALANCING WHEN LOOKING AT IT. I WOULD SAY AS PART OF THE STUDY DISCUSSION WE ALSO LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY JUST TWO SIGNS PER ELEVATION. ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU IN THE ORDINANCE IS THREE PER ELEVATION THAT COULD BE BACK DOWN TO TWO BUT IT'S REALLY JUST A SERIES OF CHOICES AT THAT POINT. SO ELECTRONIC SIGN TO ALL TIME AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT DISCUSSION POINTS BACK IN THE LARGER SIGN CODE DISCUSSION AS WELL AS WAS DISCUSSED IT WAS A SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR REQUESTED THAT THE CITY LOOK AT THIS AGAIN AS PART OF OUR LOOK BACK ORDINANCE IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL BULK ITEMS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED TO LOOK AT BUT THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENT IN AND SEEKING THIS CHANGE. SO WHAT IS DWELL TIME FOR ELECTRONIC SIGNS DWELL TIME IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE THE SIGN HAS TO REMAIN STATIC ON ONE MESSAGE BEFORE IT CAN TRANSITION TO ANOTHER MESSAGE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL DEFINITION IN OUR CODE. WE'LL SEE HOW THIS WORKS. I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE BEFORE YOU THIS IS THE ELECTRONIC SIGN OBVIOUSLY OUT HERE OUTSIDE OF CIVIC PLAZA IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER FROM A DISTANCE BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT BROKEN OR WITH THAT KIND OF PIXELATION BUT THAT IN EFFECT IS JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW OFTEN IT CHANGES A REPRESENTATION OF EIGHT SECONDS BECAUSE THAT SIGN DOES RUN AT EIGHT SECONDS CURRENTLY THE REASON THAT IT'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS SET UP IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SMALLER MORE SIMPLE WITH LESS TEXT MESSAGES YOU ACTUALLY CAN RUN AN EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME. WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IS GRAPHICS SO PICTURES AS WELL AS LONGER MESSAGES AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO JUST LIMIT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE MESSAGES TO TRY AND MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL FOR DRIVER DISTRACTION. SO THAT IS WHAT DWELL TIME IS. WHY DO CITIES REGULATE IT? WHY DOES BLOOMINGTON REGULATE IT? THERE'S TWO PRIMARY REASONS ONE IS FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY AGAIN JUST TRYING TO MANAGE DRIVER DISTRACTION. I THINK THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMUNITY IS RELATIVELY ALIGNED TO NOT BEING SUPER BIG FANS OF ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT ARE NOT MANDATED OR PUBLIC ORIENTED SIGNS THAT ARE THERE FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY. BUT AGAIN JUST DRIVER DISTRACTION IS REALLY THE NAME OF THE GAME THERE. THE OTHER ELEMENT WHICH DOES FUEL INTO RESTRICTION IS AROUND ELECTRONIC SIGNS IS JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN ESTHETIC OF CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU CAN THINK OF LIKE DOWNTOWN MAIN STREETS THAT ARE OLD CLASSIC FOR EXAMPLE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES THAN SAY TIMES SQUARE OR MORE DYNAMIC NICOLLET MALL FOR EXAMPLE THAT UTILIZE THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO CREATE ITS INTENDED ESTHETIC. SO EACH COMMUNITY KIND OF HAS TO DEFINE WHAT ESTHETIC IT'S LOOKING FOR AND ELECTRONIC SIGNS DO PLAY A ROLE IN THAT. BUT THESE ARE THE TWO MAIN THINGS JUST ON THE TRAFFIC SAFETY SIDE I HAVEN'T YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE. IT'S HARD TO SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY THAT THE RESULTS OF THIS RESEARCH IS SCIENTIFICALLY CONCLUSIVE. IT DOES NOTE THAT THERE IS LONGER ATTENTION PAID TO ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAN STATIC BILLBOARDS BUT THE RANGE OF THESE RESULTS TEND TO BE MORE IN MILLISECONDS NOT FULL SECONDS. SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T SOME CONCERNS THERE. I JUST SAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE BULK OF THE RESEARCH IT HASN'T LANDED ON WHAT IS CONCLUSIVELY A SAFE ELECTRONIC DWELL TIME. WHAT IS CERTAINLY LESS SAFE IS VIDEO VERY LOW DWELL TIMES JUST IN THE SECONDS THAT CAN DRIVE MORE DRIVER DISTRACTION AND SO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION HAS LANDED AT EIGHT SECONDS THAT THAT IS TRUE BASED ON SOME RESEARCH DONE IN THE 2000S AND UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE 20 TENS SOMEWHAT. AND I BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THERE ARE CRITICS OF THIS RESEARCH THAT SAY THAT THAT IT COULD BE DONE IN DIFFERENT WAYS OR THAT IT IS NOT ADEQUATE OR THEY DISAGREE LIKE IN THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON ALL SIDES OF THIS. AND SO I THINK THAT BEING SAID, THESE ARE REALLY JUST THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT I WOULD HAVE YOU CONSIDER THINK ABOUT WHEN KIND OF MAKING THIS DECISION WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF ELECTRONIC SCIENCE? I TALKED ABOUT THE CONS, YOU KNOW, OVER COMMERCIALIZATION POTENTIALLY AN ESTHETIC THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITIES DESIRED LOOK FOR ITS COMMERCIAL AREAS ETC. WHAT ARE THE PROS? THE PROS ARE THE ABILITY TO DISSEMINATE MORE SPEECH. SPEECH TYPICALLY TENDS TO BE A GOOD THING. COMMERCIAL SPEECH NONCOMMERCIAL SPEECH COMMUNITIES, SOCIETY ALL NEEDS DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMMUNICATE SPEECH AND ELECTRONIC SIGNS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO IN A MORE DYNAMIC OR FREQUENT WAY THAN STATIC SCIENCE. THAT CERTAINLY IS THE CASE AND I WOULD SAY THAT YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET FROM CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR BUT CERTAINLY WE'VE DEALT WE'VE DEALT WITH OTHER PARTIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCREASE OR DECREASE REGULATION RATHER ON THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS. SO THAT INCLUDES THE CITY'S PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY OPERATE ELECTRONIC SIGNS AS WELL. SO PEOPLE ALWAYS JUST THINK ABOUT COMMERCIAL SPEECH, THINK ABOUT SPEECH THAT'S ALSO PUBLIC ORIENTED SPEECH OR PROGRAMING. I JUST WANT TO TRY AND PAINT A FULL PICTURE IF I CAN. SO WHAT WOULD THE CHANGES DO? SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, LESS COMPLEX SIGNS CURRENTLY HAVE AN EIGHT SECOND TO ALL TIME MORE COMPLEX SIGNS OR THOSE WITH PICTURES HAVE A MINIMUM DWELL TIME OF 20S I WOULD NOTE I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY TRAFFIC INCIDENTS OR CRASHES THAT CAN BE DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED ATTRIBUTED TO ANY OF THESE CHANGES SINCE THAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY 2020 OR I'M SORRY FEBRUARY 20TH, 24 AND THE SAME THE SAME STANDARDS APPLY IN OUR BILLBOARD SECTION OF OUR CODE. SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD CHANGE WOULD JUST SIMPLIFY THE DWELL TIME TO EIGHT SECONDS FOR BOTH LIKE JUST GENERAL ELECTRONIC SIGNS BUT ALSO ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS. SO THAT'S THAT PROPOSED LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU THERE. HOW ELSE ARE ELECTRONIC SIGNS REGULATED? I THINK THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT JUST TO SET SOME OF THE CONTEXT TO AN EXTENT WE DO HAVE A MAXIMUM SIZE OF ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT'S LESS RELEVANT TO BILLBOARDS. VIDEO IS NOT ALLOWED ON THESE SIGNS THE SIGNS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE VIDEO AND THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A MUCH LARGER HAZARD OR ISSUE DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THE CONTEXT SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL USES WE DO REQUIRE THAT THESE SIGNS NOT BE LOCATED RIGHT NEAR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THAT'S TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS. NOW YOU COULD ALSO ARGUE THERE IS SOME NUISANCE FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CERTAINLY BUT THE RESIDENTIAL THERE IS NOTED TRANSITION TRENDS AND TRANSITIONS HAVE TO BE INSTANTANEOUS. YOU CAN'T USE A FAX OR PIXELATION OR KIND OF THESE INTERESTING TRANSITIONS TO DO THAT. THERE ARE BRIGHTNESS LIMITATIONS ON THIS AS WELL. AND THEN FINALLY FOR ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL USES BUT STILL WITHIN A CERTAIN PROXIMITY THEY HAVE TO EITHER BE TURNED OFF IN THE EVENING OR REMAIN STATIC AND THAT'S AGAIN JUST TO ADDRESS MORE NUISANCE ISSUES. THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY ABOUT BILLBOARDS NOW ON THE SLIDE IS JUST BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED NEW BILLBOARDS IN BLOOMINGTON AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO ELECTRONIC SIGNS, IF THERE'S FOUR OF THEM IN BLOOMINGTON, THREE ALONG FOR ANY FOR ONE ON 35 W THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW NEW BILLBOARDS TO BE ESTABLISHED. SO WHEN THINKING ABOUT THAT TYPE OF DECISION, AT LEAST IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ORDINANCE IT'S REALLY JUST LIMITED TO THOSE FOUR WHEN TALKING ABOUT BILLBOARDS . AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN STAYING IN TOUCH WITH INTERESTED PARTIES SOME SIGN COMPANIES BUT CLEAR CHANNEL ORDER HAS BEEN THE MOST CONSISTENT PARTICIPANT IN OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS AS WE'VE USED THAT INTERESTED PARTY EMAIL LIST THROUGHOUT. AND THEN I MENTIONED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NOT ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE ON A VOTE OF 5 TO 1 AND SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL ARRIVE AT A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION. I DO HAVE EXTRA SLIDES FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION BUT I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION SO THANK YOU. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. AND COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. JOHNSON AND WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT QUESTIONS FROM MR. JOHNSON YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER DALLAS THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY ABOUT DISTANCE THESE BILLBOARD DISTANCE FROM INTERSECTIONS OR ANYTHING WHERE DRIVERS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE YOU KNOW, EXITING ENTERING DECISIONS IS THAT KIND OF THING? DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH LOCATION BASED ORDINANCE INFORMATION IN THERE TODAY? MAYOR COUNCILOR DALE SANDRA NO, WE CERTAINLY DO HAVE SOME GENERAL PROVISIONS IN THE SIGN CODE THAT APPLY TO ALL SIGN TYPES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRAFFIC HAZARD AND SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX BUT AGAIN I THINK IN THE PAST THE CITY AFTER PROHIBITING BILLBOARDS GENERALLY AND MAKING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW ONES NOT FEASIBLE BEYOND THE FOUR THAT WERE ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE PROHIBITION, THE CITY HAS NOT DEVELOPED THOSE TYPES OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROHIBITED CERTAINLY. BUT THERE ARE GENERAL PROVISIONS IN THE SIGN CODE THAT DEAL WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS BASICALLY. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, CAN YOU I DON'T I'M ASSUMING THAT THE BAN ON BILLBOARDS PREDATES ALL OF US THAT ARE SITTING HERE ON COUNCIL TODAY. DO YOU MIND GIVING A 32ND UPDATE IF YOU HAVE ONE OR A I GUESS A RETROSPECTIVE, IF YOU WILL, ON HOW THAT CAME TO PASS ? MAYOR COUNCILOR DALE SANDRA I DON'T I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED UP THE DATE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE. I KNOW IT'S A FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE LIMITED NUMBER THAT DO EXIST I THINK IN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE TWIN CITIES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROHIBITED IT A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT YEAH I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE BUT IT'S BEEN FOR AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF TIME IF I HAD TO GUESS I WOULD SAY IN THE 70S OR 80S EVEN AND DO DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW JUSTIFICATION AT THE TIME I DON'T I DO NOT KNOW A JUSTIFICATION. MY GUESS IS IT HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO OVER COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE PUBLIC REALM AND I'M WANTING TO LIMIT VISUAL DISTRACTION AND CLUTTER IN THE PUBLIC WAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. DON'T GO FAR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN 4.2 AND I WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW THIS IS A HEARING REGARDING THE SIGN CODE LOOKBACK ORDINANCE PART TWO AND WE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE FIRST ONE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE GROUND RULES WE'LL HAVE EACH SPEAKER LIVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES AND WE GET THE SHOT CLOCK ON THE WALL SO YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF YOURSELF. YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS YOU START. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. AND AND IF YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TOTAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. FIRE AWAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL ONCE AGAIN MY NAME IS MATTHEW ON A CLEAR CHANNEL DOOR. I'M JUST A FEW COMMENTS TO ADD FROM THE LAST FEW TIMES I'M IN FRONT OF YOU AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK YOUR CITY STAFF. I THINK NICK'S DONE A REALLY THOROUGH JOB WITH THIS. HE'S BEEN REALLY GOOD TO WORK WITH. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS HE'S BROUGHT UP. OBVIOUSLY SAFETY IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. IT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN. WE KNOW WE CAN'T OPERATE THESE SIGNS IF THEY DIDN'T A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE'RE REGULATED, WE'RE REGULATED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE STATE LEVEL ULTIMATELY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL ,AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WE ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE DIGITAL SCIENCE BASED ON THE EXACT EXTENSIVE SAFETY STUDIES THAT THEY DID AND THEY DETERMINED THAT EIGHT SECOND REAL TIME CAN BE SAFELY OPERATED WITH TRAFFIC AND INSTANTANEOUS TRANSITIONS BETWEEN THEM. SO THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. THEN AT THE STATE LEVEL WE ALSO ARE REGULATED BY THEM. THEY DEAL WITH STUFF LIKE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT THE SIGNS. WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE AT THE STATE LEVEL THEY CAN AS WELL SUBJECT TO CITY LEVELS ARE SUBJECT TO CITY REGULATION. THE FIRST TIME WE INSTALL THESE WAS BACK IN 2006 SO WE'VE BEEN SAFELY OPERATING THESE FOR OVER 19 YEARS. WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVE 83 SIGNS AND 22 COMMUNITIES AROUND THE TWIN CITIES INCLUDING CITIES AROUND YOU DOWN IN BURNSVILLE, MINNEAPOLIS OR IN SAINT PAUL AND WE OPERATE AT THE AIRPORT ACROSS FROM THE MALL. AGAIN, SAFETY IS OUR PRIORITY ON THESE A COUPLE OF WAYS WE HANDLE THAT IS YOU'LL SEE WEBCAMS IN FRONT OF ALL THE SIGNS WE OPERATE. NOT ONLY DO THOSE WEBCAMS, LET OUR ADVERTISERS KNOW WE'RE PUTTING UP THEIR IMAGE ALLOWS US TO MONITOR THOSE SIGNS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM IN THERE HASN'T BEEN. BUT IF THERE EVER WAS WE CAN REMOTELY OPERATE THAT SIGN AND WE CAN SHUT IT OFF. OBVIOUSLY THE THINGS WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IS ANY KIND OF MOTION OR FLICKERING AGAIN THERE'S NO MOTION IN THESE SIGNS. THEY'RE INSTANTANEOUS AS IF PUT SOME IN THEIR MAIN REASONS. AS WE SAID EARLIER, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR SIGNS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE APPROPRIATE INDUSTRIAL QUARTERS. I BELIEVE OUR SIGNS ARE DIGITAL SIGNS. THEY'RE MODERNIZED. ARE UPDATED. WE BELIEVE THEY BRING VIBRANCY AND ENERGY TO THOSE CORRIDORS THAT THEY'RE IN AND THE MAIN REASONS WE'RE UPGRADING THAT TECHNOLOGY IS IT ALLOWS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO ADVERTISE WITHOUT ADDING OR BILLBOARDS. IT ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE ADVERTISERS WHETHER IT'S MESSAGE MESSAGE, LENGTH OF TIME DOING STUFF THROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES. AND FINALLY THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ALLOW US TO FURTHER THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITIES WE'RE IN ALLOWS US TO INVEST IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND ALSO ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGING. CITIES DO A GREAT JOB WITH THIS. THEY FEEL IT'S AN EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CITIZENS. THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THEIR COMMUNITY CENTERS, THEIR COMMUNITY EVENTS ALL SORTS OF STUFF. I SHOWED EXAMPLES IN THE LETTER THAT I SENT TO YOU GUYS TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE COMMITTEES ARE DOING AROUND YOU. I MEAN DIGESTION OF THAT WE ALSO OFFER OFFICE SPACE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WE'RE ONE OF THE FASTEST WAYS AND CAN AMBULANCE OUT FOR INSTANCE AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH FBI EMERGENCY SERVICES WEATHER SERVICE AND THAT STUFF . SO WITH THAT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS BUT CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE'D LOVE TO INVEST IN THAT COMMUNITY AND UPGRADE THESE SITES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. QUESTION YEAH, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. SO GARY SAID TO YOU INDICATED THAT YOU'RE REGULATED BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN INDICATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? DO THEY VERIFY YOUR THE CYCLE TIMES ON THIS? DO THEY WHAT ELSE DO THEY REGULATE IN TERMS OF YOUR BILLBOARDS? GREAT QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER. WHAT I MEANT BY THAT IS THEY SET THE ORDINANCES IN THE STATUTES AND THE LAWS FOR THAT. SO I HAVE TO MEET THEIR MINIMUM LAWS MEAN THE WAY IT WORKS THE STATE STATUTE OR I'M SORRY THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS ARE ACTUALLY ENFORCED BY THE STATE STATUTES, THE STATES THAT THEY HAVE A FEDERAL STATE AGREEMENT AND THOSE ARE DETERMINED BY STATE PERMITS. SO THIS IT'S OUR STATE LAW AND WE HAVE TO GET WHAT ARE CALLED MIDNIGHT OUTDOOR ADVERTISING PERMITS TO OPERATE THE SIGNS. SO THAT'S HOW IT'S KIND OF REGULATED AND THEN EVERYTHING BOILS DOWN SUBJECT TO WHAT LOCAL CONTROL WANTS TO DO. SO BUT IF SOMEONE HAD A COMPLAINT THEY COULD GO TO THE STATE YOU'RE SUBJECT TO PERMITS. THE STATE HAS ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO SAY YEAH, THAT WAS SEVEN SECONDS. YEAH I BELIEVE YOU WOULD BE CORRECT. COUNCILMEMBER YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. APPRECIATE IT. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNSEL. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THEM FOR POINT TWO THIS EVENING? DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE ? MAYOR THERE'S NO ONE ON THE PHONE LINES CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS HERE. COUNCIL NO ONE IN THE CHAMBER IS COMING FORWARD. WE HAVE NO ONE ON THE PHONE. LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AN IN 4.2 SOME OF THE MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AN AND 4.200 FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SO COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS WE'VE WE'VE TALKED SINCE GOODNESS KNOWS WE'VE TALKED SIGNAGE AND I WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUR TIME ON THIS AND HAVE LOOKED BACK AND MADE SOME THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DECIDED ON IN THE PAST. AND THIS IS THESE ARE TWO FAIRLY DECENT EXAMPLES OF THAT AND I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT GIVES THAT SHOWS THAT WHAT WE DO IS NOT CARVED IN GRANITE IN AND I THINK WE WE CAN EVOLVE AND LEARN BASED ON WHAT WE LEARN FROM USERS BASED FROM BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM RESEARCH THAT COMES FORWARD AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION BUT I THINK THESE TWO MAKE SOME VERY GOOD SENSE. I THINK THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON TOP OF TALL BUILDINGS GIVES THEM A REVENUE STREAM AND ANOTHER INCENTIVE TO ATTRACT TENANTS WHICH WE KNOW ARE SOMETIMES AN ISSUE. AND I DO THINK I THINK THEY KIND OF ADD TO THE VIBRANCY OF OF AN AREA ALSO AS YOU GO DOWN 494 AND SEE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS WITH THEIR THE COMPANY NAME ON THE OUTSIDE, I THINK IT GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT OF PIZZAZZ THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND REGARDING THE DWELL TIMES WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IF THERE WAS SOME REAL ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE OF CRASHES WHERE THIS IS USED WITH AN EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED BUT WE LITERALLY IN ONE OF THE BUSIEST PLACES IN THE TWIN CITIES AT THE AIRPORT ACROSS 494 FROM US WITH A MASSIVE SIGN THAT IS THAT IS ACTIVE I DON'T THINK WE'VE HEARD OF ANY KIND OF ISSUES WITH IT AND WITH THAT IN MIND WITHOUT THE THE REAL EVIDENCE THAT THESE MIGHT BE A SPECIFIC THERE IN A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY HAZARD. I MEAN I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THE EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME NOW WE CAN ARGUE OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT ESTHETICS BUT THE FACT THAT OUR FOUR BILLBOARDS ARE ON THREE AND 94 OR 494 AND 30 5WI THINK WE'RE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY MESSING UP IN DOWNTOWN ANYWHERE EITHER. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I'D BE INTERESTED AND HAPPY TO HEAR IT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THE SIGNAGE I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND I HOPE THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT THEY'RE IN BLOOMINGTON. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR BLOOMINGTON LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF THOSE BUSINESSES BEING HERE AND LOCATED HERE AND GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR NAME UP UP THERE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S DISTRACTING ESPECIALLY MULTIPLE STORIES UP IN THE AIR WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING WITH REGARDS TO THE DWELL TIME, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT AND THIS MAY NOT COME AS A SHOCK TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE I WOULD PREFER TO JUST ELIMINATE THIS FROM OUR CODE AND LET THE STATE ENFORCE IT. I DON'T LIKE REDUNDANT CODES. I DON'T LIKE REDUNDANT ORDINANCES. I THINK WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO AND LIMIT WHAT WE NEED TO ON THERE. BUT IN TERMS OF THE EIGHT SECOND DWELL TIME I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IT SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH STATE, FEDERAL, LOCAL AREA ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I JUST MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT WE DON'T SPEND TIME ENFORCING THIS WHEN OTHER ENTITIES ARE DOING THAT. SO BUT THAT'S CONSISTENT I THINK WITH OTHER COMMENTS I MAKE ELSEWHERE. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PREMIER NELSON OTHERS COUNCILMEMBER FOR MAYOR I JUST WENT ON A TRIP THIS WEEKEND AND 494 UP IN PRAIRIE I WAS I NOTICED IT FROM PROBABLY 300 YARDS AWAY AND I PAID ATTENTION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND RIGHT AS I GOT OUT TO IT THEN IT SWITCHED AND I WAS LIKE OH THAT'S NOT TOO BAD. AND THEN I ASKED MY WIFE IS LIKE HEY, DID YOU NOTICE THAT SHE'S LIKE WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND SO I, I SUPPORT THE EIGHT SECOND RULE. I THINK THERE THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE DATA THAT WE'VE SEEN ANYWHERE OR ANY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT IT IS DANGEROUS ESPECIALLY FOR STILL IMAGES AND UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO IT AND LOOKING FOR IT, PEOPLE JUST AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION THAT OFTEN AND IF THEY ARE THEY'RE GLANCING WHICH IS MAKING THAT IMPRESSION. AND SO I SUPPORT THE THE EIGHT SECOND RULE AND I ALSO SUPPORT THE THE TALL BUILDING SIGNAGE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING THE SURFACE AREA OF THOSE SIGNS THE SAME. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO TO INCREASE THAT AREA TO PUT BIGGER SIGNS ON BUILDINGS AND SO I THINK THAT IN ITSELF GOVERNS AND ALLOWS THOSE BUSINESSES, THOSE COMPANIES, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ATTRACT MORE TENANTS TO THEIR THEIR BUILDINGS IN A TIME WHEN WE KNOW THAT IT'S A CHALLENGE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OFFICE SPACE FILL FILLED AND SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT WITHOUT BEING DETRIMENTAL TO BLOOMINGTON, I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE FOR US AND COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADVERTISE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE. I MEAN I THINK WE REALLY SIT ON JUST INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF REALLY COOL COMPANIES THAT DO HAVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS HERE YOU KNOW AS A HATCH BLOOMINGTON JUDGE FOR EXAMPLE, I'M CONSTANTLY REMINDED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF HEADQUARTERS FOR FRANCHISES THAT ARE NATIONWIDE HERE AND NOBODY KNOWS THAT THEY LIVE HERE RIGHT? I MEAN WE'VE GOT DAIRY QUEEN AND HOLIDAY AND CARIBOU AND ALL THESE OTHER ONES WHO ARE FRANCHISED ALL AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, REGION IN THE COUNTRY AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AND I THINK WE SHOULD AND WE CAN AND SO THE MORE THE MERRIER AT IT AS IT COMES TO THAT ESPECIALLY ON THE BUILDINGS WHERE WE WANT THEM TO TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESSES AND GROW. SO CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE EIGHT SECOND RULE WHICH I GUESS IS WHAT I'M CALLING IT NOW, I DON'T KNOW I, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I AM ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED BY THE IDEA THAT ESPECIALLY THE PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE IN CLEAR CHANNEL IF YOU KNOW IF WE NEED TO USE THOSE SIGNS FOR PUBLIC EMERGENCY, IF WE NEED SAFETY MESSAGING, IF WE NEED COMMUNITY MESSAGES TO GET OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND SUPPORT THAT THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS I THINK IT ANOTHER WAY OF ATTRACTING YOU KNOW, HEY, DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN THIS PLACE THAT YOU'RE DRIVING BY RIGHT NOW? I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY COOL. JUST AS A ANOTHER COMMENT I, I ,I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE MORE BILLBOARDS EITHER. I JUST I GUESS I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO HOW THAT ALL CAME TO PASS BUT I FEEL IT A LITTLE OUTMODED AND MAYBE THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO. BUT EITHER WAY FOR THE FOUR THAT WE HAVE I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT UPGRADE AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I AGREE WITH MUCH AS MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BY MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY REGARDING THE EIGHT SECONDS VERSUS 20S BUT YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS UP HERE TO GO WITH EIGHT SECONDS AND SO I'M I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. I AM CURIOUS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEIR VOTE NOT TO SUPPORT THIS WAS IT. I DID READ THE NOTES AND IT WASN'T SUPER CLEAR TO ME WAS IT JUST THEIR GENERAL FEELING OF NOT LIKING BILLBOARDS THAT REALLY LED THEM TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION OR DID THEY HAVE SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS AROUND SAFETY OR OTHER THINGS ? MR. JOHNSON I DON'T KNOW. I'M TRYING TO PUSH THE BUTTON. IT'S ALWAYS ON RIGHT HERE FORGIVE ME MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER SO I WOULD SAY THERE WAS A MIX OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS. I THINK THEY WERE MORE ESTHETIC BASED THAN TRAFFIC SAFETY BASED. THE ONE THING I'LL SAY THAT ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER SHARED IS THE CONCERN AROUND HOTEL GUESTS THAT SOME OF THESE SIGNS ARE VISIBLE TO SOME OF THE HOTELS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE NUISANCE THAT IT PRESENTS TO RESIDENTIAL USERS. SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED. BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED THAT BILLBOARDS BE ALLOWED TO CONVERT IF YOU RECALL EVEN THEY COULDN'T CONVERT PREVIOUSLY REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DWELL TIME WAS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME WAS FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY AGAINST THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK IT JUST HAD TO HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT PERSPECTIVE ALONG ALL ALONG THE WAY THAT THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT LOOK FOR THE COMMUNITY BUT THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THAT CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. YEAH AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS RECALLING TOO. SO I THINK BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR BILLBOARDS I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ESTHETIC ISSUES AND I'M NOT AGAIN I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIMING BUT AGAIN BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IF WE HAD 20 OR 30 BILLBOARDS ALONG FOR 94 AND THEY WERE ALL CHANGING THEN I WOULD HAVE MORE CONCERN. BUT YEAH, OVERALL I CAN SUPPORT THESE CHANGES. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU BECAUSE REMEMBER US JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S REMARK IN REGARDS TO THAT THE STATE AND THE COUNTY OR WHOEVER OR THE FEDS REGULATE THIS AND AS A SERIOUS OUT OF IT I KNOW IN REGARDS TO THE TALL BUILDINGS AND THE REST OF IT COMMENTS I AGREE WITH I THINK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MORE BILLBOARDS I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THEM OUT. BUT THE ADDITION OF TOLL BUILDING SIGNS FOR EACH COMPANY EVERY SIZE IN THOSE BUILDINGS IT WILL BE AWESOME TO SEE THAT RATHER THAN JUST ONE FOR THE FOR THE BUILDING OWNER IN MOST CASES WHAT WE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES INSIDE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION OUTSIDE THAT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE PRETTY MUCH WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT SO I KNOW IT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT AROUND ENFORCEMENT BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS MAYBE IN A FOLLOW UP EMAIL IF WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF ON YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FOR EACH OF THE JURISDICTIONS AROUND ENFORCEMENT CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL THAT ARE ENFORCED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL LIKE EVEN THOUGH THE LAWS ARE IN PLACE AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL THEY'RE NOT ENFORCE AT THOSE LEVELS. AND SO I GUESS I JUST BEFORE WE START MAKING DECISIONS OR YOU KNOW LIKE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FULLY INFORMED BEFORE PUTTING OUT LIKE PRETTY STRONG OPINIONS. MAYOR COUNCILOR CARTER IT WOULD FULLY BE MY EXPECTATION THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO ENFORCE THAT. AND ONE CLARIFICATION THE STATE'S RULE AROUND ELECTRONIC SIGN DWELL TIME IS SIGNS ALONG STATE HIGHWAYS WHICH I BELIEVE ARE LOCATED WITHIN RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH SOME TYPE OF ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT OR USE AGREEMENT. AND SO THIS IS A MATTER OF LOCAL CONTROL. IT'S NOT LIKE A STATE RULE THAT EXEMPTS LOCAL REGULATION OF IT. SO I FULLY EXPECT THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON STAFF ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULATING IT AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH OTHER ELECTRONIC SIGNS NOT IN COOPERATION WITH THE DWELL TIME. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT INTO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT WITH THE EFFORT THAT IT MIGHT TAKE TO GET THIS DONE. I DON'T THINK THAT OUR FRIENDS WITH CLEAR CHANNEL ARE GOING TO PUT IT IN JEOPARDY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BY BY HAVING FIVE SECOND DWELL TIME, THAT KIND OF THING. I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. SO COUNCIL I CAN COUNT NOSES AND SO MR. JOHNSON HAD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET ON THE MOTION SHEET THE A MOTION THAT WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THESE CHANGES AND AGAIN COUNTY KNOWS AS I COUNT SIX OF THEM ACTUALLY AND I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THE PUBLIC PACKET REGARDING THIS ITEM 4.2. COUNCIL MEMBER DELLA SANDRA HAPPY TO ME THE MOTION MR. MAYOR I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE SECOND ONE WRITE THE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING MOTION HERE WE GO. I AM MAKING MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE AMENDING ELECTRONIC SIGN AND TALL BUILDING SIGNS STANDARDS IN THE SIGN CODE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE SO MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDING ELECTRONIC SIGN AND TALL BUILDING SIGNS STANDARDS IN THE SIGN CODE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND ELECTRONIC SIGN AND TALL BUILDING SIGN STANDARDS IN THE SIGN CODE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE SO MOST OF MY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOUA FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION ON ITEM 4.2 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. JOHNSON AND THANK YOU TO OUR FRIENDS FROM CLEAR CHANNEL FOR OPENING ONCE AGAIN. THANKS SO MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON ITEM 4.3 THIS IS OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. THIS IS REGARDING PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE IN AC1 ZONING DISTRICT TO EMILY HOUSE BACK FROM OUR CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS HERE. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. SO LIKE THE MAYOR SAID WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. PERFECT TIMING. >> OKAY. SO FIRST I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS 7930 COMPUTER AV SO IT'S THE PARCEL OUTLINED IN RED AND IT'S ZONED IT'S YES ONE WHICH IS COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND GATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. IT IS JUST NORTH OF 494 AND EAST OF HIGHWAY 100 APPROXIMATELY 6100FT ARE PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE PROPOSED HEALTH CLUB WITH OTHER WITH THE OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING BEING INDUSTRIAL. AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, HEALTH CLUBS REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPOT PER 250FT WHICH IN THIS INSTANCE WOULD BE 25 SPOTS AND THE PROPERTY HAS 42 ON SITE SO THIS MAP IS OUTLINING AND RED ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE PART OF THIS YES ONE ZONING DISTRICT THERE ARE 38 PARCELS AND THEN DISTRICT AND THEN JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICE USE NEAR FREEWAY INTERCHANGES PROVISION OF FOOD LODGING, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE, MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL AND OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRINCIPAL USES. HOWEVER OTHER USES WHICH ARE INTERRELATED TO THESE USES ARE ALSO APPROPRIATE IN THIS DISTRICT SO STAFF FEELS THE HEALTH CLUB IS IN TREAT INTERIM LATED TO USE IS PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT. ADDITIONALLY MOST OF THE PARCELS ARE LOCATED ALONG 494 WHICH PROVIDES FEWER TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DEFINITION OF HEALTH CLUB SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE DEFINITION FOR HEALTH CLUB. IT'S WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY THINK OF AS YOUR BIG BOX GYMS BUT COULD ALSO BE SMALLER GYMS OR STUDIOS. IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE FOR THIS PROPERTY WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH IS FALLING UNDER MARTIAL ARTS . >> THIS MAP ALL THE COLORS SHOW ALL THE PARCELS THAT HAVE ALLOWANCES FOR HEALTH CLUBS IN THE CITY CURRENTLY AND SO THE TABLE SHOWS THERE'S A PRETTY EXPANSIVE LIST OF WHERE HEALTH CLUBS ARE CURRENTLY EITHER PERMITTED A PERMITTED LIMITED USE OR PERMITTED WHEN LOCATED NEAR CERTAIN ROADS SO STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE ADDING HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE TO THIS YES ONE ZONING DISTRICT SO THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION BUT STAFF FINDS THE CHANGE TO BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE INTENT OF THIS YES ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND IS THEREFORE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THROUGH THE FOLLOWING MOTION ON THE SCREEN. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ASPECT? COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU SO TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY MARTIAL ARTS AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES LIKE SWIMMING ARE HEALTH CLUB VERSUS SPORTS FACILITY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE WE HAD LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY A VERY CO-CURRICULAR IT WAS LACROSSE OR SOMETHING. IT WAS PROBABLY LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO IN INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY. HOW IS HOW IS THE HEALTH CLUB DIFFERENT THAN SPORTS RELATED TYPE OF FACILITY AND WELL WHY ARE THEY DISTINCT I GUESS MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU. SO WE HAVE KIND OF THREE USES WHICH ARE PRETTY SIMILAR HEALTH CLUB HEALTH CLUB SPORTS TRAINING FACILITY AND INDOOR REC AND ENTERTAINMENT CAN KIND OF BE THEY CAN ALL SOMETIMES BE LIKE A VENN DIAGRAM AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING AS A PLANNING DIVISION THAT WE'RE AWARE OF AND HOPEFULLY ARE LOOKING TO MAKE MORE CLEAR AND I THINK MORE POTENTIALLY PERMISSIVE IN THE FUTURE. BUT THERE ARE JUST KIND OF A GOOD AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT KIND OF OVERLAP AND WE ARE OFTEN DEBATING IS THIS A HEALTH CLUB, IS THIS A SPORTS TRAINING FACILITY? SO DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BUT SOME EXPLANATION ? NO, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S A GREAT CAN I ASK ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP? DO WE RUN ANY RISKS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OURSELVES IN A BOX BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE THINKING YOU MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE AND LOOKING AT SORT OF THAT CLARIFICATION. >> MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T THINK SO JUST BASED ON HONESTLY THIS ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY AND HOW SMALL IT IS AND IT'S NOT REALLY A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE'RE LIKE OR KIND OF WORKING ON POTENTIALLY PHASING OUT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE FOR THIS APPLICATION WOULD REALLY BOX US IN TO ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT REGRET LATER. WE COUNSEL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. >> THEN WE WILL OPEN UP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3. THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE AND THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISH TO SPEAK TO HIM 4.3 THIS EVENING NO ONE COMING FORWARD. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK MAYOR THERE'S NO ONE ON THE PHONE. LAST CALL ANYBODY HERE? COUNCIL NO ONE IN THE CHAMBER IS COMING FORWARD. NO ONE SPEAKING OR NO ONE CALLING IN TO SPEAK ON THIS. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 4.3 SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I SUPPORT IT. YES. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO SO I REALLY I WILL SAY COUNCIL IN ADDITION TO I THINK ADDING THE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND THIS IS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. I THINK WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LITERALLY JUST TO THE NORTH AND JUST TO THE WEST THERE'S A GROWING RESIDENTIAL POPULATION IN EDINA AND I THINK THIS THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS WOULD CERTAINLY SERVE AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THAT GROWING RESIDENTIAL AREA. THAT'S I MEAN LITERALLY JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE JURISDICTION LINES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS COUNSEL IF NOT I WOULD LOOK FOR MOTION AND LOOK FOR ACTION. ITEM 4.3 HOW DO WE DO THAT? MAYOR I WOULD MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADDING HEALTH CLUB AS PERMITTED USE IN THE C US ONE ZONING DISTRICT THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE MOTION. MY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADD HEALTH CLUBS IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT, THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER THE MAYOR AND MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF AN ORDINANCE ADDING HEALTH CODE AS HEALTH CLUB AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF ITEM 4.3 TONIGHT NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON COUNCIL TO OUR ITEM 4.4 THIS EVENING OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. THIS IS REGARDING THE SACK FEE ORDINANCE AN UPDATE RELATED TO ICC CHARGES. SEAN LUNDY WHO IS OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES MANAGER IS HERE TO PRESENT THIS. GOOD EVENING. MR. LUNDY IS CORRECT. GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS UM SO DO WE HAVE A POWERPOINT THERE? WE GO. YEP. SO SHALL ANY SPECIAL PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE TO WRAP UP OUR LONG STANDING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY SAC SO I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN DECEMBER 2020 FOR THE CITY SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGE FEE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY THIS BODY CITY COUNCIL THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. AT THAT POINT IN DECEMBER THE COUNCIL REQUESTED ADDITIONAL RESEARCH BY STAFF ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THAT ORDINANCE THOSE RESEARCH FINDINGS WERE PRESENTED IN APRIL SO I WON'T GET INTO THE OUTCOMES THERE. BUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE RESEARCH TOPICS WE DID CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE SO NOW HERE IN JUNE WE ARE PROVIDING THAT UPDATED ORDINANCE TO GIVE YOU SOME BRIEF CONTEXT ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN APRIL. THIS THIS UPDATE RELATES TO THE INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY CHARGE. SPECIFICALLY THE MET COUNCIL OFFERS AN ICC PROGRAM FOR HIGH USE INDUSTRIAL USERS. I WON'T READ THE BULLET POINTS TO YOU BUT THE CITY SACK ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD DID NOT ADDRESS HOW WE WERE GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE ICC PROGRAM. SO THE ORDINANCE CLARIFICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US THIS EVENING CLARIFIES THAT THIS CITY SACK ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE AN ICC PROGRAM AND IT ALSO ADDRESSES ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH THE ORDINANCE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED IN APRIL AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AND BROUGHT TO YOU THIS EVENING. THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL POINT THAT STAFF CAME ACROSS AS WE WERE DOING THESE ORDINANCE CLARIFICATIONS. WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD STRENGTHEN THIS ORDINANCE BY ADDING LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY MANAGER TO ADJUST THAT CITY SAC FEE PROPORTIONAL TO WHAT THE MET COUNCIL CITY SAC OR THAT COUNCIL SAC ADJUSTMENT IS ONE APPROPRIATE. SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. LIBYA AND THIS ONE WE'VE DONE THEM ALL THE SILENCE WELL DONE. SO I DID MY JOB. I MEAN THANK YOU MR. LUNDY. WE WILL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING NOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM 4.4 THIS IS REGARDING THE SAC FEE ORDINANCE UPDATE RELATED TO ICC CHARGES. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT? NO ONE COMING FORWARD OR ANYONE ON THE PHONE THIS EVENING. THERE'S NO ONE ON THE PHONE OR ONE ON THE PHONE. LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY HERE IN THE CHAMBERS COUNCIL. NO ONE ON THE PHONE. NO ONE COMING FORWARD TO THE CHAMBERS. I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ITEM 4.4. SO I MOVED I'M SORRY MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ITEM 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS CONCERNS ON THIS ONE? COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION IF I COULD PLEASE MR. MAYOR THE THE THE MOTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS BASICALLY TO ENABLE THE CITY MANAGER OR A DESIGNEE TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT THAT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE ICC CHARGE ITSELF. RIGHT. OKAY. SO SO IS THERE EVER A TIME WHEN THAT'S ZERO I COULD COULD COULD THAT THAT ADJUSTMENT MEAN ZERO TO BOTH THE EYE FROM AN ICC AND A CITY PERSPECTIVE ? JIM BERGERON, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS GOING ANSWER THAT ONE. THANKS MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER DOES UNDER THE CITY MANAGER ADJUSTMENTS IS NOT RELATED TO THE ICC CHARGES . WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING AN ICC PROGRAM. THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS RELATES TO HOW THE COORDINATION THAT WE DO WITH MET COUNCIL OR ON SAC SOMETIMES THEY MAKE DECISIONS TO MAKE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS FOR VARIOUS REASONS AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MATCH UP THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE CITY SAC PROGRAM WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SO SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST WEIRD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MET COUNCIL THAT MAKING THAT DECISION SO WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT SAME FLEXIBILITY SO BUSINESSES DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENT TREATMENT BETWEEN THE MET COUNCIL APPLICATION AND OUR APPLICATION. OKAY OKAY I THINK I UNDERSTAND SO SO IF SO WHAT IS HAPPENING THEN IS THE MET COUNCIL IS MAKING A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT THE TOTAL SAC CHARGES WOULD BE. SO THEY'RE REALLY ADJUSTING LIKE HOW THEY'RE DECIDING WHAT THE SAC CHARGE WOULD BE AND THEN WE WOULD THEN PROPORTIONALLY ADJUST ACCORDINGLY TO MATCH THAT. SO IF IF IT WAS INSTEAD OF A THOUSAND IT WAS 500 WE WOULD SAY OKAY OURS IS ALSO 500 AS OPPOSED TO OURS IS STILL 1000 EVEN THOUGH THERE'S IS ONLY FIVE HUNDRED. >> DO I KIND OF HAVE THAT RIGHT? THAT'S PROPORTIONATELY OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. AND I APOLOGIZE. I SAID ICC. I SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S NOT THEIR CHARGE CONSTRUCT. IT'S THEM HELPING US TO DECIDE WHAT THE SAC UNIT NUMBER IS TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN WE SAY THEN SO THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS I GUESS IT'S NEVER ZERO THEN IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT OR IS THERE TECHNICALLY THE ABILITY FOR IT TO BE ZERO? LIKE WOULD THEY EVER SAY WE ARE DETERMINING NO SAC CHARGES MERIT COUNCILMEMBER JUST DOES UNDER THE EVERY TIME A PROJECT HAPPENS THE MAC COUNCIL MAKES THE SAC DETERMINATION SO THERE COULD BE THE CASE THAT PROJECTS HAVE A ZERO DETERMINATION BASED ON FLOWS BUT USUALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES CREATE SAC UNIT AS A DETERMINATION. OKAY WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT THE BURDEN WE HAVE IS IF THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON OUR BEHALF ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. SO SO IF THEY MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE OR THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE WHAT WE WOULD THINK IS A REALLY SMALL DETERMINATION AGAINST THE PROPORTION OF THE THING WHAT WHO'S ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR IT? WHO'S ON THE HOOK TO DO THE NEEDFUL I GUESS AROUND THE THE VOLUME THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO MANAGE PURGATORY. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WE ALWAYS USE THE THE MAC COUNCIL SAC DETERMINATION WHATEVER THAT IS TO DECIDE HOW MUCH CITY SAC WE'RE APPLYING. SO IF THEY JUST TERMINE ZERO ZERO IF DETERMINED FIVE IT'S FIVE LIKE THAT'S HOW THE PROGRAM IS SET UP AND HOW THE ORDINANCE IS SET UP. SO YEAH WE'RE ALWAYS RELYING ON THEM TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S INCREASED CAPACITY NEEDED FOR THE FOR THE SEWER. OKAY SO SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND SO THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT WE WOULD SAY OKAY ,OKAY. THE MAC SAYS THERE'S NO INCREASE REQUIRED BUT WE THINK THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE REQUIRED. THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THESE PEOPLE FOR MORE CAPACITY. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY THEN I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THE ENGINEERS THAT I WAS INTERPRETING RIGHT HONORED. >> THANK YOU MARY MEMBER NELSON THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY THE AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE TO ADJUST THE SAC CHARGE NOT THE DETERMINATION SO WE HAVE A CERTAIN CHARGE I FORGET WHAT HOW MUCH IT WAS PER SAC UNIT OR WHATEVER BUT THE MAC COUNCIL MAY ADJUST THEIRS AND WE WOULD ADJUST OURS PROPORTIONATELY TO THEIRS. THIS ISN'T ON AN INDIVIDUAL OR PROPERTY DETERMINATION. THIS IS AN OVERALL CHARGE BASIS THAT WE'RE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO SET ACCURATE OR DOES THAT MAKE NO SENSE? LET ME SEE IF I CAN ENTER ANSWERS PROPERLY. THE THE THAT SECOND STATEMENT IN THE ORDINANCE IS JUST OFFERING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IN THE RARE INSTANCE THAT THE MET COUNCIL IS MAKING SOME TYPE OF ADJUSTMENTS SOMETIMES THEY MAKE A DECENT DECISION THAT THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO APPLY 80% OF THEIR FEE FOR WHATEVER REASON IT IS THAT THEY MAKE THAT DECISION. SO THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AND MAKE THAT SAME DETERMINATION SO THAT WE'RE NOT APPLYING 100% WHEN THE MET COUNCIL IS ONLY APPLYING 80%. SO IT WOULD APPLY TO EITHER THE FEE OR THE UNIT COUNT AS WRITTEN THE THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION COUILMEMBER LABOR ONE PIECE ON THAT SO ESSENTIALLY IF THE MAC RAISES BACK FEES WE WOULD RAISE OUR PROPORTIONATELY RIGHT SO IF THEY RAISE THEIR 20% WE'LL KEEP IT 20%. SO IT'S THEY HAVE TO DATE THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION. NO, NO THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR ANY FEE INCREASES FOR THE CITY SAC THE CITY SAC FEE AMOUNT IS SET SEPARATE FROM THE FEE AMOUNT THAT MET COUNCIL. THE UNITS ARE THE ONES THAT MATCH UP. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION COUNCILOR. ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING QUESTIONS HERE? THIS IS JUST ONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO BASED ON BASED ON THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A MOTION YET, HAVE WE? I'VE LOST TRACK HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THE CORRECTION ON THAT AND 4.4. HAPPY TO DO THAT, MR. MAYOR AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE DISCUSSION FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS. SO I'M MOVING THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE CLARIFYING THE APPLICABILITY OF OPTIONAL CHARGES IN CALCULATING CITY SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGES AND ADDING AN ALLOWANCE FOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE CITY'S WATER SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 11 OF THE CITY CODE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON . WAS IT WAS IT SOMETHING I SAID TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE CLARIFYING THE APPLICATION OF OPTIONAL CHARGES IN CALCULATING CITY SERVICE AVAILABILITY CHARGES CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER THEME HERE I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M NOT REALLY SUPPORTING THIS JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL IMPLEMENTATION OF RISK ORDINANCE SO I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? IF NOT WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE ITEM 4.4 AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED NO MOTION CARRIES FIVE ONE WITH COUNCILMEMBER IN OPPOSITION COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF AN ORDINANCE CLARIFYING THE APPLICABILITY OF OPTIONAL CHARGES IN CALCULATING CITY SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGES AND ADDING AN ALLOWANCE FOR A JUDGMENT TO THE CITY SEWER AVAILABILITY CHARGE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 11 OF THE CITY CODE MOTION FOR COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND VOTE COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF ITEM 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GLAD WE PUT THIS ONE TO BED AND WE CAN START TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS NOW AS WELL. THANK YOU. CLEANING UP ALL KINDS OF THINGS TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM FIVE IN OUR AGENDA OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S 735. WE'VE WE'VE DONE WELL ON OUR FIRST HOUR AND A HALF STAFF AS WELL. WE HAVE DONE WELL IN OUR FIRST HOUR AND A HALF. WE STILL HAVE SOME ITEMS TO CONSIDER AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THIS ALONG AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN ON ANYTHING. ITEM 5.1 IS A DISCUSSION ON OUR PREVAILING WAGE. SARA ABE, OUR EATERY ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. I THINK I HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING UP. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS TIME HERE AND THINKING IT CAN'T BE ONLY 5:00. IT IS NOT ONLY 5:00. THAT IS FIVE MINUTES. SO GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SARAH H R ADMINISTRATOR HERE TO PRESENT ON THE PREVAILING WAGE DISCUSSION. OKAY SO QUICK BACKGROUND. THIS WAS ADOPTED ON JUNE 17TH 2024. IT WAS IN EFFECT AS OF JUNE 27TH 2024. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR SINCE THIS WAS PASSED AND STARTED BEING IMPLEMENTED. AND JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND OR SUMMARY OF WHAT IT IS IT REQUIRES PREVAILING WAGES BE PAID WHEN THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS OVER $175,000. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THE AMOUNT OF CITY FUNDING IT COULD BE A DOLLAR, IT COULD BE THE FULL PROJECT COST. WHAT TRIGGERS IT IS THAT THERE'S ANY AMOUNT OF CITY FUNDING IN THE PROJECT AND THE TOTAL COST IS OVER 175,000. SO NOW HERE WE ARE WE'RE A YEAR IN AND HER STAFF IS CONSIDERING SOME SOME CLEANUP AND THEN POTENTIALLY SOME POLICY INTERPRETATIONS OR CHANGES AND COMING TO COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION. I ALSO KNOW THIS IS THE FIRST STOP SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM MEANT TO DETERMINE IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD. IF SO THEN STAFF WILL GO FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND COME BACK WITH A MORE FORMAL PROPOSAL LATER. AND THIS WAS PREPARED AND A COLLABORATION BETWEEN PORT HRA AND LEGAL STAFF. >> OKAY SO I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH SOME OF THESE WE IDENTIFIED AS ADMINISTRATE OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO PART OF THE REASON WE'RE RECOMMENDING SOME OF THESE THINGS IS BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW PREVAILING WAGE IS COMPLEX. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THESE ORDINANCES AND LAWS AND SO THESE WOULD KIND OF CLEAN UP AND CLARIFY A FEW THINGS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT ACCURATE INFORMATION IS CLEARLY REPRESENTED IN THE ORDINANCE. AND SO THIS FIRST ONE IS TO ALIGN THESE THESE ALIGN WITH THE GOAL AND SOME OF THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AS PASSED. BUT AGAIN THIS JUST KIND OF CLEAN UP SO THIS WOULD BE TO ADD EXEMPTIONS FOR HOUSING PROJECTS IN ALIGNMENT WITH FEDERAL LAW. SO FEDERAL LAW EXEMPTS PROJECTS THAT ARE SEVEN UNITS OR LESS AND SO THIS WOULD ADD LANGUAGE TO OUR ORDINANCE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS BASED ON THE CIT OF SAINT PAUL'S ORDINANCE. AND SO THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL'S ORDINANCE DOES INCLUDE LANGUAGE LIKE THIS. PART OF THE REASON WE'RE BASING IT ON THEM IS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING THIS THIS ORDINANCE. THE SECOND PIECE IS TO CLARIFY THAT THINGS LIKE PASS THROUGH FUNDS KIND OF A BONDS DO NOT THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY TO THESE PROJECTS IN MANY CASES OR SOME CASES FUNDING FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE CITY. THERE'S NO ACTUAL CITY MONEY INVOLVED. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY HIT CITY ACCOUNTS SO IT JUST BE CLARIFICATION GIVEN THAT IF THERE'S NO ACTUAL CITY DOLLARS THAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE HERE IS AUTHORIZATION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE RULEMAKING. SO THIS HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR THE EARNED SICK AND SAFE TIME ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED RECENTLY AND SO ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE WHEN WAGE RATES NEED TO BE UPDATED ON MULTI YEAR PROJECTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE YOU KNOW IF A PROJECT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION IS THE PREVAILING WAGE RATE AT THE TIME THE RATE THAT STAYS FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT DOES IT GET UPDATED ANNUALLY AT THE THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE CONTRACT EXECUTION? DOES IT GET UPDATED ANNUALLY WHEN NEW PREVAILING WAGE RATES ARE ARE RELEASED ANNUALLY? WHEN EXACTLY DOES THAT HAPPEN? SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPES OF SPECIFIC DETAILS AROUND ADMINISTRATION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT THIS KIND OF CHANGE WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO PUBLISH AND CLARIFY OUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS APPLIES TO THEIR PROJECTS. >> ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S IT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. NOW WE MOVE INTO THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. THERE ARE TWO HERE. ONE IS TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO BASICALLY MAKE EXEMPTIONS WHEN THERE ARE EXTREME SITUATIONS OR VERY UNIQUE CONDITIONS PARTICULARLY AROUND EXTREME FINANCIAL BURDEN. AND WE DO HAVE A CASE STUDY BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AS TO WHY WE THINK THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL AND WHAT KIND OF SITUATIONS AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. BUT THE IDEA HERE IS TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO ADAPT TO CURRENT CONDITIONS AND SPECIFIC CONDITIONS BECAUSE AS WE KNOW IN DEVELOPMENT EACH SITE IS DIFFERENT. THE SECOND PIECE HERE IS TO EXEMPT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OF 20 UNITS OR LESS. SO THIS KIND OF EXPANDS THE DAVIS-BACON EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE UP TO THE 20 UNITS. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE 20 UNITS ARE STILL PRETTY SMALL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. IT DOES ALIGN WITH SOME OF OUR THINKING AROUND WHA IS A MISSING MIDDLE PROJECT WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND HOW CAN WE SUPPORT SOME OF THESE SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS? IT SUPPORTS LOCAL DEVELOPERS AND LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH IMPLEMENTING PREVAILING WAGES AROUND THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN FOR THESE SMALLER BUSINESSES. SO THE IDEA IS TO EXPAND THAT EXEMPTION, MAKE IT BROADER AND THEN ALLOW YOU KNOW, FOR MORE SPACE FOR SOME OF THESE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECTS. >> OKAY. AND HERE IS THE CASE STUDY EXAMPLE THAT I MENTIONED. THIS IS THE JURY SITE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCE AND MINNESOTA. IT'S A LARGE SITE. IT'S HAD MANY SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPOSALS SINCE 2017 HAS BEEN UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR A WHILE. ENCLAVE DEVELOPMENT DID PROPOSE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT STOOD ON ITS OWN. IT DIDN'T NEED ANY CITY ASSISTANCE AND THEN WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT SOIL CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE TO THE EXTENT WHERE AROUND 20FT OF SOIL WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED AND SO THAT ADDED A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT COST TO THIS PROJECT. WE'RE ESTIMATING HERE AROUND FIVE AND A HALF TO 7 MILLION COULD BE IN THE UPPER RANGES OF THAT OR THE UPPER END OF THAT RANGE. AND SO BECAUSE THE THAT THE THE MECHANISM THAT THE CITY WOULD USE TO FUND THIS GAP IS TOUGH TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND BECAUSE THAT IS THEN CITY MONEY THEN THAT TRIGGERS A PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENT AND I CAN ONLY ACTUALLY SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE'S A NICE LITTLE CHART HERE THAT KIND OF LAYS IT OUT. SO IT WAS A STANDALONE PROJECT. THE SOIL REMEDIATION WOULD REQUIRE FIVE AND A HALF TO $7 MILLION OF TIFF THAT IN IT USING TIFF AS THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENT WHICH ADDS ABOUT ANOTHER $7 MILLION TO THE PROJECT COST THE WE COULD USE TIFF TO CLEAN UP THE SOILS WE HAVE ENOUGH TURF GENERATED FROM THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. UNFORTUNATELY THE AMOUNT OF TURF GENERATED FOR THE PROJECT DOES NOT THEN COVER THE GAP THAT'S CREATED WHEN WE ADD PREVAILING WAGE. SO THIS CASE STUDY KIND OF SHOWS THE REQUEST FOR THAT COUNCIL COULD EXEMPT THE BUILDING FROM THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE AND FOCUS THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS ON THE SOIL CLEANUP PROCESS WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY DOLLARS ARE NEEDED. SO THIS IS YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE SITE IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NO MECHANISM UNDER THE ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS DECISION. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO TO EXEMPT CERTAIN PROJECTS OR PHASES OF PROJECTS. >> OKAY. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US TO THE DISCUSSION. THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT I, I COVERED HERE TODAY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE DO ALSO HAVE THE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THAT CASE STUDY WE DO HAVE THE DEVELOPER ON LINE ONLINE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS DISCUSSION ESPECIALLY ON THE WE'LL START WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS EXEMPT HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER EIGHT UNITS CLASSIFY CLARIFY PASSED THROUGH INCANDESCENT BULBS BOND FUNDING IS EXEMPT AND AUTHORIZE RULEMAKING. ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE COUNCIL I WILL SAY THE ONE THAT CATCHES MY EYE IS THE EXEMPT THE HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER EIGHT UNITS FOR THE REASONS DISCUSSED AND WHAT YOU'VE LAID OUT ARE THERE AND AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT ONE OF 20 UNITS OR LESS AS WELL THE THE PROTECTIONS DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS EVEN IN THESE SMALLER PROJECTS AGAINST WAGE THEFT OR SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT TOWARD PREVAILING WAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE? YEAH I'M ERIN COUNCILMEMBERS SO THESE WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THE STATE LAW AND DEPARTMENT OF LABOR'S PROTECTIONS SO THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR DOES HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ISSUED. PEOPLE CAN SUBMIT COMPLAINTS TO ANY ISSUES OF WAGE THEFT AND THEY HAVE IN THE PAST FOLLOWED UP ON A NUMBER OF THESE COMPLAINTS. THEY ALSO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ISSUED FOR FOR OUR WORKERS AND HOW TO ADDRESS ISSUES AND HOW TO KNOW OR HOW TO TACKLE THE ISSUE. THE QUESTION OF WAGE THEFT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFOREHAND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, I ULTIMATELY VOTED FOR THE PREVAILING WAGE BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS I THINK THE MARKETPLACE SHOULD DETERMINE A LOT OF THINGS BUT WAGE THEFT IS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TOLERATE AND WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED TO US AT THAT TIME WAS THAT PREVAILING WAGE WAS A VERY EFFECTIVE MEANS OF PREVENTING WAGE THEFT. AND WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF LIGHT VERSION OF PREVAILING WAGE WHERE YOU TAKE OUT THE PREVAILING WAGE PORTION OF IT BUT STILL POTENTIALLY HAVE THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON THE SITE, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING PAID YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING PAID YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, FEDERAL LAW, THAT SORT OF THING. IS THERE IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT WITH THAT AND THEN THERE'S A TOOL THERE THAT USED FOR THIS TO DO IT WITHOUT THE INCREASED COST AND BURDEN LET THE MARKETPLACE KIND OF FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT BUT STILL HAVE THOSE CONTROLS LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, ABOUT WAGE THEFT BECAUSE THAT THAT IN MY MIND THAT THAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE PAID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PAID, THAT THEY WOULD BE IT FRANKLY THEY HAVE THEIR MONEY STOLEN. IT'S JUST THEFT. I MEAN IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH LIKE ANY OTHER TIME ANY OTHER TIME IN MY MIND. AND SO IS THERE A WAY IS THERE A WAY TO DO A LIGHT VERSION THAT DOESN'T IMPACT THESE PROJECTS? THE 20 UNITS OR LESS OR IF THERE'S A PROJECT WITH APPARENTLY VERY BAD SOIL, THAT SORT OF THING THAT THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT TYPE OF TOOL. SO THAT'S WHAT RAN THROUGH MY MIND IF IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. I THINK IT DOES COUNCILMEMBER AND I'LL ASK MAYBE IF IF THERE IS A DIRECT POSSIBILITY BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT EVEN THOUGH WE CAN IT IS JUST DISCUSSION SO WE CAN TALK YOU KNOW AND TALK WIDELY ON THIS. BUT IT'S IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TRYING TO STICK WITHIN OUR GUIDED DISCUSSION HERE. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS BUT THE GO TO DISCUSSION I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO HAD THOUGHTS ON AND THAT I MEAN I REGISTERED THERE YOUR YOUR COMMENTS THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS OR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION MAYBE SO IN THE MEMO THE THERE'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENT TO EXEMPT HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER EIGHT UNITS AND THEN THE IT'S KIND OF POSED AS AN ALTERNATIVE IN THE POLICY AMENDMENT TO EXEMPT HOUSING PROJECTS OF 20 UNITS OR LESS SO WE COULD DO NOTHING. WE CAN MAKE NO CHANGES BUT THEN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER. IS THAT TRUE? WELL, IT'S THE WAY IT'S SPLIT LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO EXEMPT THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY EXEMPT UNDER FEDERAL LAW. SO THE CLEAN UP WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THE POLICY DECISION FOR THE COUNCIL WOULD BE TO EXTEND IT UP TO THE 20 UNITS. OKAY. SO REALLY UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS NUMBER ONE, I MEAN IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S JUST CLEANUP. SO WE REALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SPEND A TON OF TIME ON THAT. IT'S REALLY THE NUMBER TWO UNDER POLICY AMENDMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I GUESS I CAN I CAN MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS SO I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF EXEMPTING HOUSING PROJECTS OF 20 UNITS OR LESS JUST BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES AROUND WAGE THEFT AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST. SO I GUESS I'M WONDERING COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE THE REASONING WHY DEVELOPMENT STAFF IS PROPOSING THIS EXEMPTION BE IN PLACE? YEAH, MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION PARTICULARLY AROUND THE MISSING MIDDLE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LOCAL DEVELOPERS THAT DO SOME OF THESE LIKE SMALLER SCALE LIKE 4 TO 6 UNITS HOUSING TYPES LIKE A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO THOSE ARE THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE TAKING THOSE PROJECTS ARE EXACTLY THOSE THAT WOULD MAYBE STRUGGLE WITH SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN AROUND THAT. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE IS A HOUSING TYPE THAT IS MISSING. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED MISSING MIDDLE BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF IT IN THE AREA AND SO IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BY NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING GAP FOR THAT TYPE OF SMALL SCALE PROJECT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING EXPAND EXPANDING IT EVEN MORE SO MAYBE ALONG SIMILAR LINES AS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THEN I'M JUST WONDERING MAYBE EVEN JUST FOR LIKE THE 20 UNITS OR LESS PROJECTS IS THERE STILL IF WE WERE TO ALLOW THIS EXEMPTION, IS THERE SOME WAY STILL TO PROTECT AGAINST THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT AND THAT WE'VE GOTTEN REPORTS ABOUT AND AND I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER NOW BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW WOULD WE PREVENT THOSE THINGS FROM HAPPENING IN THOSE SMALLER PROJECTS? ARE THERE TOOLS THERE IT'S GOING TO COME INTO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. >> IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE COMMENT RELATED TO THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE 20 UNITS AND LESS AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN INDUSTRY IS THAT THE THE TYPE OF CONTRACTORS AND BUSINESSES DEVELOPERS THAT ARE DOING THE SMALL SCALE HOUSING THEY'RE NOT THE SAME GROUPS AS THE GROUPS DOING THE LARGER SCALE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. THEY'RE NOT AS PRACTICE TO DOING HAVE THEY DON'T OFTEN HAVE AS MANY UNIONIZED LABOR AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME PRACTICES IN PLACE ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND SO THAT'S WHY FOLKS DRAW THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE HOUSING TYPES AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THIS BUT I DO KNOW THAT AT LEAST THE EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE IDENTIFYING SITUATIONS OF ABUSE OF THE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED MORE FREQUENTLY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT ABUSE IN OTHER INDUSTRIES TOO. I YOU KNOW, I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THE LIGHT HAS BEEN SHOWN MORE RECENTLY. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT DISTINCTION WITH CONSTRUCTION TYPE AND I JUST I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK IN IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS AROUND WAYS THAT WE CAN PREVENT WAGE THEFT BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT THEN WOULD BE AROUND AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS BUT THAT WAIVING REQUIREMENTS AND EXTREME SITUATIONS AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO CONSIDER THIS BUT IF WE DO GO DOWN THIS PATH I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE REALLY CLEAR CRITERIA FOR WHEN THOSE PROJECTS CAN COME BEFORE COUNCIL WILL BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD BE A VERY SLIPPERY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE KIND OF EXEMPTING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING AND SO YEAH, I GUESS THOSE ARE MY MY THOUGHTS JUST HAVING VERY CLEAR STRICT CRITERIA. THANK COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THEN COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I I JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION OF THE FIVE THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW THE THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED IN THE CASE STUDY IS ONLY RELEVANT TO THE FIRST ONE UNDER POLICY AMENDMENT. CORRECT. ALL THE OTHER ONES DON'T HAVE ANY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO IGNORE THAT JUST FOR A SECOND HERE BECAUSE THAT TO ME DOES BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT OKAY, SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS LIKE AS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SAID, THEY SEEM OKAY TO ME TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE LARGELY CLARIFICATIONS . I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORIZED RULEMAKING PART THAT ALL THAT WELL BUT I THINK IF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE ESPECIALLY FOR BURDENING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THESE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE COST MARGINS ARE HARDER TO COME BY MAKING ADMINISTRATIVE RULES EASIER SOUNDS LIKE IT SAVES THEM MONEY AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO I GUESS I'LL GO WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE ISSUES BURDENING THEM ADMINISTRATIVE FULLY. A BIG PART OF THE DIALOG RIGHT NOW ABOUT ABOUT HOUSING IN GENERAL IS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING PROJECTS COST THAT GO INTO JUST MAKING THE THING HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE WHICH I THINK IS TERRIBLE FOR US RIGHT WE SHOULD BE WANTING AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE GOING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE NOT PAYING ALL OF US WHO SIT AROUND AND OPINE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A GOOD THING OR NOT. RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW FROM FROM I'M UP FOR ALL KINDS OF AND I KNOW I'M NOT I PROBABLY WON'T BE THE ONE THAT VOTES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR IGNORING ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW ON ENVIRONMENTAL GROUNDS GIVEN MY HISTORY BUT EVEN THAT I UNDERSTAND FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICY AMENDMENTS THOUGH EXEMPTING HOUSING PROJECTS OR 20 OR LESS THE THE I I FEEL I GET WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM BUT I YOU KNOW THE WHOLE IF I REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PREVAILING WAGE THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT THE WAGE THEFT THING NOTWITHSTANDING THE BIG THING WAS YOU KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S A BURDEN PLACED ON THE WORKER TO GUARANTEE THEY GET THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOING IT IN PLAIN IN PLAIN SIGHT. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE WE HEARD STORIES ABOUT THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE WORKERS, THE THE ABILITY FOR YOU KNOW, THEM TO HAVE MIDDLE MIDDLE CLASS JOBS, IF YOU WILL ETC.. AND I YOU KNOW, WAGE THEFT AND WAIT PREVAILING WAGE THINGS TO ME ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THEY GO TOGETHER IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU IF YOU'RE PAYING PEOPLE GOOD WAGES AND YOU'RE ABOVE BOARD ABOUT THAT YOU'RE NOT STEALING FROM THEM. YOU'RE ALSO GUARANTEEING A HIGHER LEVEL OF SAFETY AND A BETTER HOPEFULLY A BETTER PRODUCT OUTPUT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, PULLING PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER STATES DOING SHODDY DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS ARE JUST TO GET THE LOW BID ON SOMETHING ISN'T A GOOD IDEA. WE DON'T WANT THAT. WE NEVER WANT THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAYING EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE STILL DON'T WANT THAT. SO I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NOTION FOR PREVAILING WAGE NOW I, I HAVE TO SAY THIS ONLY BECAUSE I MISSPOKE WHEN I LAST SPOKE WITH WITH THE WITH STAFF ABOUT THE WAY THAT PREVAILING WAGE IS DETERMINED IN MINNESOTA. I LEARNED THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO THIS RESEARCH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WE USE THE MODE NOT THE MEAN IF YOU WILL, HERE IN MINNESOTA. SO ESSENTIALLY THE MORE THE THE WAGE THAT IS REPORTED THE MOST IS THE WAGE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY. AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE AN AVERAGE OR WEIGHTED AVERAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW. SO YOU CAN'T DO AVERAGE VERSUS WEIGHTED YOU KNOW VERSUS MODE. SO SO AGAIN I'D I'D IMPLORE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TO TO REPORT THEIR WAGES BECAUSE THE MORE THAT THAT GETS REPORTED IF IT'S THE MOST COMMON NUMBER IT YOU KNOW AND SO THESE PEOPLE ARE ARE STUCK IN THE IN THE LOOP I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE SMALLER SMALLER PROJECTS CAN STILL REPORT THEIR WAGES AND THEIR WAGES STILL CAN BE COUNTED AS AS AS AS THE SAME. SO IF YOU'RE PAYING 100 PEOPLE OR YOU'RE PAYING 50 PEOPLE AS LONG AS YOU'RE REPORTING YOUR WAGES OR YOU'RE PAYING 20 PEOPLE, YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR WAGES, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADJUST THIS NUMBER THEMSELVES BY BEING GOOD CITIZENS AND IN THE SENSE OF LIKE REPORTING THIS DATA AND I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE FACTS OF THE CASE IF THEY WANT THESE NUMBERS TO CHANGE. SO ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I, I CAN'T COME UP WITH AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. I CAN'T COME UP WITH AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE BY WHICH I WOULD WANT US TO NOT PAY SOMEBODY A PREVAILING WAGE I GUESS UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN LEVELS OF PREVAILING WAGE LIKE I WANT THE LOWER LOWER PAID WORKERS TO GET AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WAGE OF 50 TO $60 AN HOUR, I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO BE LIKE OH, YOU GETTING 50 INSTEAD OF 60? I FEEL BAD FOR YOU. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE WANT TO BE DOING WITH PREVAILING WAGE WHICH IS PREVENTING PEOPLE WHO COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF FROM FROM GETTING PAID MARKET RATE FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO. >> SO AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS. SO I'M LESS LIKELY TO SUPPORT THE POLICY AMENDMENT PIECES HERE THAN I I THINK I WOULD BE IF I HAD IF I HAD BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE COULD STRATIFY IT. MAYBE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SOLVING FOR THE PROBLEM THAT I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO SOLVE FOR WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF WORKERS WHO ARE GETTING MAYBE $15 AN HOUR WHO SHOULD BE GETTING 22 AND SHOULD BE GETTING THE KIND OF PROTECTIONS THAT THEY DESERVE FROM A PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER, ANYWHERE AS FAR AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS, I'M GOOD WITH ONE AND TWO. THE ONLY THING WITH THREE IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHENEVER THE STATE AND THE FED MAKES THEIR JUDGMENTS IS WHEN WE DO IT. I THINK IF WE ARE AN OFF CYCLE IT MAKES IT COMPLICATED FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND WHOEVER. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO ALIGN IS WHENEVER THOSE ADJUSTMENTS GET MADE AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL THAT'S WHEN WE MAKE IT AND NOT JUST A DIFFERENT CYCLE FROM THEM AS FAR AS THE POLICY AMENDMENTS. I'M I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THIS ONE. I THINK THE WE WE PASSED THIS I THINK SEVEN ZERO RIGHT BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN WHAT PREVAILING WAGE DOES IT PREVENTS THEFT OF WAGES FROM WORKERS AND I THINK IT'S IT'S HARD FOR US TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT YOUR JOB SHOULDN'T BE COVERED BY A PREVAILING WAGE LIKE IF WE IN THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS PROVIDED WILL EXEMPT THE THE BUILDING BUT WE WON'T EXEMPT THE SOIL REMEDIATION RIGHT SO THE AT THE HEAVY MACHINE EQUIPMENT LOADER WORKERS THE DUMP TRUCK DRIVERS YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT YOU BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING THE PLUMBERS, THE CARPENTERS, THE WELDERS YOU GUYS, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN DON'T DEAL WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE THE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PUT THIS DOWN AS A VALUE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND THEN FOR US TO WHAT SEEMS TO ME ARBITRARILY CHOOSE WHICH GROUPS OF WORKERS HAVE THIS PROTECTION DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE VALUES THAT WE HAVE. AND SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO LISTENING TO THESE. BUT LIKE COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SAID, THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE VERY ROBUST, HAS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO TO GUIDE US OTHERWISE I COULDN'T COMPLETELY SEE US GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE EXEMPTING EVERYTHING AND THEN WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION? WHY DO WE HAVE THIS ORDINANCE ANYMORE? SO THOSE ARE MY MY THOUGHTS ON IT AND I WANT TO SEE HONESTLY FRANKLY MORE PROJECTS COME THROUGH. I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH TIME IN OUR PROJECTS COME THROUGH FOR US TO ACTUALLY SEE THE ACTUAL IMPACTS HOW THIS DRIVES, HOW WE'VE NEVER GONE THROUGH A FULL MARKET CYCLE YET LIKE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS WITH HOUSING IN GENERAL. AND SO I THINK A LITTLE PIECE OF ME IS WE WANTING TO WAIT TO SEE A WHOLE CYCLES COME THROUGH HOW IT IMPACTS US AND THEN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED VERSUS KIND OF PREDICTING AT THIS POINT. THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER. OTHERS JUST COUNCILMEMBER REALIZE IT'S JUST A QUESTION DO YOU WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER AN EXTREME SITUATION TO WAIVE TO THE THE REQUIREMENTS YEAH MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS SO WE PROVIDED THE CASE STUDY. I THINK THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXTREME SITUATION. THE MEMO KIND OF SPELLS IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I DID IN MY PRESENTATION INCLUDES SOME POTENTIAL CRITERIA THAT WE COULD USE SO MULTIPLE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT ATTEMPTS HAVE FAILED. A SITE IS UNDEVELOPED ALL DUE TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS WILL CREATE AN ADDITIONAL FINANCING GAP. SO I THINK IN THIS CASE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE WITH THE SOIL CLEAN UP REQUIREMENTS AND WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS OTHER THAN ESSENTIALLY THE CITY DOING IT ON OUR OWN TO PREPARE THE SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IF I MAY FOLLOW UP ON THESE BESIDES THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE US, IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO WILL CONSIDER EXTREME FOR FOR ASKED TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT I READ THE ULTIMATE ARE IN EXISTENCE? >> YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS I DON'T HAVE I MEAN I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER EXTREME EXAMPLE. I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO BUILD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE USING SOME OF THESE CRITERIA THAT WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR CASES EXTREME AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING IT TO ILLUSTRATE IT. I THINK THE IDEA THAT IT IS IN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES ILLUSTRATED BY THE FACT THAT I ONLY HAVE ONE EXAMPLE LIKE A CLEAR CASE AROUND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL AND COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DEFINES EXTREME AND IT SEEMS TO ME I MEAN IF THE PROJECT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN OTHERWISE THAT WOULD BE EXTREME AND WE WE I THINK ARE PROBABLY SEEING THAT. HERE IS MY GUESS AND AND YOUR OTHER EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE ABOUT FAILED DEVELOPMENT I KNOW I THINK I'VE SAT DOWN 3 OR 4 TIMES WITH PROJECTS ABOUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO ON THAT JURY SITE AND NEVER DID AND SO THERE'S A REASON WHY THAT IT'S NOT COMING UP AND PERHAPS THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXTREME SITUATIONS. SO IT IT WOULD AT LEAST BE WORTH A CONVERSATION I THINK TO CONSIDER EXTREME SITUATIONS IN IN WHAT ARE LITERALLY EXTREME SITUATIONS AND I WOULD AGREE WE WE'D NEED GUARDRAILS OF SOME KIND SO WE'RE NOT JUST WAVING SOMETHING BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE IT OR WHATEVER THE REASON BUT IF THE NUMBERS PENCIL OUT IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT THEN NOW THE DEVELOPER IS SIMPLY GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM IT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION OVER ENOUGH INFORMATION OUT OF US NOW. I THINK SO. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH AND A 5.2 ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL IS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AT WEST 84TH STREET AND NORMANDY BOULEVARD . GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M JEREMY MARQUIS. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER HERE AT THE CITY. AND I'M MIKE LARSON, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH BOLTON. THE NEXT HOUR HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE INTERSECTION OF 84TH STREET AND NORMANDALE BOULEVARD, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET FEEDBACK ON REMOVING THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OPTION FROM THE NORMANDALE LAKE DISTRICT PLAN AND INSTEAD OF ADDING AN ACCURATE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IMPROVEMENT AS PART OF THE TAX LEVY REDUCTION STRATEGY, STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THE NECESSITY OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND ARE RECOMMENDING AN ACCURATE IMPROVEMENT INSTEAD THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH THE SAME DISTRICT PLAN GOAL OF ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT AT THIS INTERSECTION. MIKE FROM BOTH OF THEM WILL BE GOING OVER TO THESE IMPROVEMENT OPTIONS AND THE STUDY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, JEREMY. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE STUDY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN JUMP INTO OUR ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE ARRIVING AT. SO AS JEREMY ALLUDED TO THIS THE INTERSECTION OF 84TH AND NORMANDY WELL REALLY THE REASON FOR STUDYING THIS INTERSECTION IS WE AS I GUESS TWOFOLD WE HAVE LAND USES SURROUNDING THE INTERSECTION THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO GENERATING PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. WE'VE GOT A GOOD TRAIL NETWORK, WE'VE GOT THE PARKS, WE'VE GOT THE BUSINESS PARK GAS STATIONS, COMMERCIAL AREAS, ETC. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE IS PEDESTRIAN DEMAND BUT ON THE OTHER HAND WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT TRAVELS THROUGH THESE ROADWAYS AND THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION SO THAT MAKES IT A REALLY DIFFICULT AND UNCOMFORTABLE AREA FOR PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE ACROSS THE ROADWAY. AND AS JEREMY MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THIS PROGRAMED PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT VERSUS MORE TRADITIONAL AT GRADE IMPROVEMENTS. SO CITY STAFF ASKED US TO TAKE A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OPTION. WHAT WHAT MIGHT THAT COST WHAT LEVEL OF EFFORT MIGHT NEED TO GO INTO THAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT AND THEN WHAT MIGHT BE SOME RISKS WITH THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT AT A HIGH LEVEL WE ESTIMATE THAT THAT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE MIGHT COST UPWARDS OF $5 MILLION AND THE REASONS FOR THAT ARE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT ON THAT IMAGE ON THE LEFT, THE SPACE IT TAKES TO GET UP AND OVER THE ROADWAY AND BACK DOWN IS PRETTY LARGE. SO WE'VE GOT A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTING THE TREES AND THE PARKLANDS, THE WETLANDS WITH THE NEARBY LAKES AND POND HIGH POTENTIAL FOR POOR SOILS ETC.O THERE'S A LOT OF RISK WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WHICH DRIVES THAT COST UP. IN ADDITION, THAT LARGE FOOTPRINT YOU CAN SEE IT'S A PRETTY LONG DISTANCE FROM POINT A TO POINT B ACROSS THE BRIDGE. WE KNOW THAT THE FARTHER YOU MAKE A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLISTS TRAVEL OUT OF THEIR WAY THE LESS LIKELY THEY ARE TO TAKE THAT PATH. PEDESTRIANS BY NATURE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE FASTEST PATH SO THE FARTHER WE MAKE THEM TRAVEL WE'RE GOING TO SEE LESS PEOPLE USING IT AND CROSSING WHERE THEY ARE TODAY ANYWAY. SO WITH THIS STUDY WE LOOK AT WAYS WE CAN MAKE THE INTERSECTION FEEL SAFER FOR PEDESTRIAN ENDS WHILE ALSO BALANCING PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE MOBILITY EXCUSE ME WON'T GO INTO IT TOO MUCH BUT THE BIG TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THIS INTERSECTION IS THE HIGHEST VOLUME INTERSECTION IN THE ENTIRE CITY. WE SEE MORE CARS TRAVEL THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN. SO THAT'S THAT'S A CHALLENGE WHEN WE WANT TO MAKE INTERSECTIONS SAFER, WE WANT TO MAKE THE INTERSECTION SMALLER AND THAT'S DIFFICULT TO DO HERE WE DO LOOK AT THE CRASH HISTORY AT THE INTERSECTION AND WE DO HAVE GOOD NEWS THE INTERSECTIONS PERFORMING PRETTY WELL. THE CRASH RATE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN A SIMILAR INTERSECTION WITHIN THE STATE. WE'VE SEEN NO PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE CRASHES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS AND WE DON'T SEE ANY CONCERNING CRASH TRENDS IN THOSE RIGHT TURNING AREAS WHERE WE HAVE HIGH SPEED TRAFFIC. SO WE DO HAVE THREE ALTERNATIVES TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL TODAY. I'LL GO THROUGH THEM AT A HIGH LEVEL. ALTERNATIVE ONE IS OUR LEFT TURN REDUCTION ALTERNATIVE WHICH WE'VE GOT DOUBLE LEFT TURN LANES ON ALL APPROACHES OF THE INTERSECTION. WE WOULD SEEK TO REMOVE THE LEFT TURN LANES OR THE ONE OF THE TWO LEFT TURN LANES RATHER ON THE SOUTH AND EAST LEGS OF THE INTERSECTION WHICH WOULD CREATE A NICE WIDE PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'D REMOVE 2 OR 3 LANES FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION FURTHER REDUCING THE CROSSING DISTANCE THERE. SO OF THE THREE ALTERNATIVES THIS ONE IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL OR THE LEAST EXPANSIVE SO IT'S LIKELY THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OPTION DRAWBACKS HERE WE DON'T TOUCH THOSE HIGH SPEED RIGHT TURN CHANNELIZED AREAS WE DON'T TOUCH THE NORTH AND WEST LEGS OF THE INTERSECTION SO WE DON'T SEE ANY BENEFITS THERE AND THEN REDUCING THOSE LEFT TURN LANE AREAS CREATE SOME RISK IN THAT LEFT TURN LANE QUEUES COULD SPILL BACK INTO THE THROUGH LANES POTENTIALLY CAUSING REAR END COLLISIONS FURTHER DEGRADING DELAYS AT THE INTERSECTION, THAT TYPE OF THING. OUR SECOND ALTERNATIVE IS OUR LOW ENTRY ANGLE RIGHT TURN ALTERNATIVE WHICH REALLY ATTACKS THESE BIG SWEEPING RIGHT TURN LANES THAT WE SEE AT THE INTERSECTION TODAY WHERE MOTORISTS CAN DRIVE THROUGH THEM AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED 20, 30 MILES AN HOUR AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO THAT MERGE POINT AT THE CROSSROAD YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER TO SEE ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND DECIDE WHETHER TO YIELD OR NOT. THIS NEW MODERN DESIGN WOULD TIGHTEN UP THAT ANGLE SO YOU CAN NO LONGER TAKE THAT CURVE AS FAST AND THEN THE DRIVERS LINE OF VISION IS MORE ORIENTED WITH THEIR PATH OF TRAVEL RATHER THAN OVER THEIR SHOULDER. SO VEHICLES ARE DRIVING SLOWER. THEY CAN STOP FASTER, THEY CAN DETECT PEDESTRIANS BETTER AND THAT'S WHERE WE SEE IMPROVED SAFETY WITH THIS DESIGN. SO THAT'S ONE BENEFIT HERE WE DO ALSO REDUCE THAT CROSSING DISTANCE ON THE EAST LIKE AGAIN AND THE WEST LIKE BY REMOVAL OF A THROUGH LANE BECAUSE WE STILL MAINTAIN THESE CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANES IN SOME FASHION WE KEEP THE CAPACITY OF THE INTERSECTION AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE SO WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE MUCH CHANGE IN VEHICULAR OPERATIONS WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE DRAWBACKS HERE WE STILL DO HAVE SOME FORM OF CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT SOME PEDESTRIANS NO MATTER WHAT THE DESIGNERS FEEL THAT THIS DESIGN OR THE CURRENT DESIGN IS UNSAFE. IN ADDITION TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THIS THOSE RIGHT TURN LANE ISLANDS ARE NOW MUCH SMALLER THAN THEY ARE TODAY. SO A PEDESTRIAN MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S LEFT LESS BUFFER BETWEEN TRAFFIC IF YOU WILL. AND THEN OUR LAST ALTERNATIVE IS OUR HYBRID RIGHT TURN ALTERNATIVE WHICH THE NORTH HALF OF THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE THE SAME AS ALTERNATIVE TWO WHEREAS THE SOUTHERN HALF WE NOW HAVE A MORE TRADITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANE DESIGN WHERE THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS NEXT TO THE THROUGH LANE. SO ADVANTAGES HERE NOW THOSE RIGHT TURNS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION ARE CONTROLLED BY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SO THOSE CARS WOULD HAVE TO OBEY THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS. THAT GIVES OUR ENGINEERS MORE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE TOOLS IN THE ARSENAL AND HOW TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WHETHER IT'S ADJUSTING SIGNAL TIMINGS AND PHASING FOR RIGHT TURNERS IMPLEMENTING NO RIGHT TURN ON RED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO KIND OF TINKER WITH THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE. IN ADDITION TO THAT THIS NOW THAT SOUTHERN PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE INTERSECTION THAT CROSSING CAN BE MADE IN ONE FLUID MOVEMENT RATHER THAN IN THREE STAGES SO THAT BEST ACCOMMODATES A FUTURE BIKE PATH OR CYCLE TRACK ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. DRAWBACKS HERE WE ARE ACTUALLY WIDENING THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OR THE CROSSING DISTANCE ON THE WEST AND SOUTH LEGS WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE SINCE WE'RE ADDING A RIGHT TURN LANE SO WHAT THAT DOES IN ADDITION TO INCREASING THE DISTANCE IT INCREASES THE TIME IT TAKES A PEDESTRIAN TO CROSS AND IT ALSO INCREASES THE NUMBER OF LANES THEY HAVE TO CROSS. SO SOME DRAWBACKS WITH THAT WE STILL DO HAVE CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANES ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE INTERSECTION AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE THAT DESIGN AND THEN THE FINAL DRAWBACK HERE IS THE TRADITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANE DOESN'T HAVE QUITE AS MUCH CAPACITY AS A CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANE SO WE MAY SEE SOME LONGER QUEUES ON THOSE APPROACHES DURING THE PEAK HOURS. THERE IS A FOURTH ALTERNATIVE WHICH COULD BE A DO NOTHING OR NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE WHERE WE WOULD LEAVE THE INTERSECTION AS IT IS TODAY BUT REMOVE THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM THE DISTRICT PLAN SO NEXT STEPS WITH OUR STUDY WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE OUR ALTERNATIVES. WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE HOW THESE ALTERNATIVES COULD WORK WITH A PLANNED CYCLE TRACK OR BIKE PATH WE'LL DEVELOP COST ESTIMATES FOR ALL OF OUR ALTERNATIVES TO GIVE STAFF A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT COST. WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS, LOW COST, HIGH IMPACT THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE INTERIM LIKE SIGNING STRIPING, THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEN FINALLY WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH A BIG STUDY REPORT TO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE LOOKED AT SO JEREMY AND STAFF CAN CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER BUT REMOVING THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM THE DISTRICT PLAN WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE DISTRICT PLAN. I'M I'VE BEEN ASKED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT A FULL REVIEW OF THAT PLAN IS ANTICIPATED SOON WHICH COULD LEAD TO AN UPDATE AND NECESSITATE IN-DEPTH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THAT UPDATE THAT IS ALL I HAD FOR YOU ALL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OTHERWISE WE'D LOVE TO GET FEEDBACK ON OUR ALTERNATIVES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. QUESTION IF WE CHOOSE TO DO NOTHING, CAN WE STILL KEEP THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OPTION AVAILABLE OR IF WE HAVE CONFIRMED THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IS NOT FEASIBLE IN THE AREA? MAYOR COUNCIL WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS IT'S BEEN A VERY HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. IT'S CERTAINLY FEASIBLE. THERE ARE CHALLENGES BUT IT'S WE'RE NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT LOWER COST ALTERNATIVES TO THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I DRIVE THIS ROAD EVERY WEEK TO GO TO WORK AND I HAVE FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE I USED TO WORK IN THE 8500 BUILDING NOW I WORK IN ST LOUIS PARK SO I'M UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME AND I SEE HOW CRAZY DRIVERS GET GOING THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION AND HOW BUSY YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS THE BUSIEST INTERSECTION WE HAVE IN TOWN. PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWN 100 STILL GOING 60, 65 MILES AN HOUR AND THEY BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THESE INTERSECTIONS AND THEN PEOPLE THOSE POWER TURNS THAT'S THE ACCURATE TERM FOR IT BECAUSE THEIR POWER THROUGH AND EVEN WITH OUR CITY ORDINANCE TO DRIVE SPEED LIMITS DOWN TO 2580 FOURTH CONSISTENTLY SO IF PEOPLE GO ON 3540 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD AND I AM EXTREMELY THANKFUL THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS OR DEATHS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS AND FOR ME EVERY TIME I COME THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AND I SEE PEOPLE FROM THE OFFICES TRYING TO CROSS TO GO TO THE HOLIDAY OR THERE'S A FEW RESTAURANTS IN THE STRIP MALL RIGHT NEXT DOOR I HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF KIDS RIDING AROUND ON THEIR BIKES AND WITH FISHING POLES BECAUSE THEY'RE FISHING AND MOVING AROUND NORMANDALE AND TO ME AS A FATHER $5 MILLION IS WORTH EVERY SINGLE PENNY IF THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCIDENT AND NO KID DIES AND THAT WE HAD TO CALL THEIR PARENTS AND SAY WE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND $5 MILLION ON THIS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND NOW YOUR CHILD IS DEAD. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE THE OPTIONS AND THE THOUGHT TO REDUCE COSTS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS INTERSECTION IN PARTICULAR, I STILL WOULD PREFER TO SEE A DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT ISOLATES PEDESTRIANS FROM TRAFFIC THAT ALLOWS THAT SAFE CROSSING SO THAT WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY THE DECISIONS WE MADE FIVE YEARS AGO LED TO SOMEONE DYING BECAUSE THIS INTERSECTION IS THE WILD WILD WEST. THANKS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I DRIVE THIS INTERSECTION A LOT BUT I'M ALSO A PEDESTRIAN THERE AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY BECAUSE I'M A RUNNER AND SO AND THAT'S MY RUNNING ROUTE. SO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. SO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION WAS THE UNDERPASS THAT GOES UNDER NORMANDALE AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT I USE EXCEPT FOR THE LAST TIME I WAS OVER THERE BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODED AND THEN I HAD TO USE THE INTERSECTION AND SO I GUESS AS I KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE A BRIDGE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ON THE HORIZON. AND SO IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION I WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS SUPER HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE THE DATA ISN'T SHOWING US THAT WE'RE SEEING THE ACCIDENTS OR THE PEDESTRIAN ISSUE LIKE INCIDENTS WITH PEDESTRIANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF WE IF IT WAS SUPER DANGEROUS IF WE'RE YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN THE DATA THEN I WOULD BE MUCH MORE CONCERNED. BUT IF I IN THE PACKET I REALLY LIKED THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANES LIKE THE ELEVATING THE PEDESTRIAN WALK AND MAKING IT MORE OBVIOUS LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD SAY EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD DO I KIND OF LEAN TOWARD ALTERNATIVE THREE TO MAKE IT SAFER AND JUST MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. I ALSO THINK WE NEED BETTER WAYFINDING SIGNS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT UNDERPASS IS AN OPTION AND THEN THE UNDERPASS ITSELF LIKE SOME OF IT'S STARTING TO CRUMBLE INTO THE RIVER. SO IF YOU KNOW WE COULD HAVE SOME FIXES THERE I THINK IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL TO HAVE A MURAL UNDER THERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW KIDS ARE GOING DOWN THERE AND SPRAY PAINTING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SOMEBODY GOES AND PAINTS IT WHITE AND THEN THEY SPRAY PAINT AGAIN. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT A MUCH MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE. AND THEN WHEN IT IS FLOODING PEOPLE HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE TO USE THE CROSSWALK. OBVIOUSLY THE INTERSECTION SO YEAH AND THEN I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH I THINK IS I THINK IT WAS ALTERNATIVE ONE. I MEAN TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY LEE ON OUR CITY ROADS WITH THE 494 CONSTRUCTION ESPECIALLY THOSE EAST TO WEST ROUTES AND SO ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE MORE BACKUPS I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE 494 CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. I MEAN I LIVE OFF 90TH AND THERE ARE DAYS I LIKE TAKES ME FIVE MINUTES JUST TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN ONTO 90TH. LIKE IT'S REALLY REALLY HARD RIGHT NOW AND SO I WOULD JUST I WOULD GIVE SOME CAUTION THERE. SO ANY KIND OF CHANGES THAT MIGHT IMPACT TRAFFIC I HESITATE THERE BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK COUNCILMEMBER CARTER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO ABSOLUTELY. I CAME HERE TO SAY SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, MR. MAYOR, TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER JUST SAID, WHICH IS THAT I FEEL I FEEL LIKE NO DISRESPECT TO THE DATA THAT'S BEEN GATHERED SO FAR BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALL PROBABLY LIKE IT'S MUDDLED UP WITH THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. I MEAN I WAS SITTING ON STANLEY AVENUE WITH A RESIDENT BECAUSE HE'S MAD ABOUT STANLEY AVENUE TRAFFIC SO I WAS LIKE OKAY, I'LL SIT WITH YOU FOR AN HOUR AND WE'LL COUNT CARS AND IT WAS NUTS. BUT I WALKED UP TO THE INTERSECTION OF STANLEY AVENUE AND 84TH STREET TO ASK THE PEOPLE IN THEIR CARS WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS COMING OFF 90TH MAKING A LEFT GOING EAST, GOING WEST, TAKING THE NIFTY LITTLE ROAD THAT IS 99 MILE CREEK PARKWAY WHICH IS NO SPEED LIMIT IT SEEMS. AND THEN COMING DOWN STANLEY AVENUE 3 OR 4 BLOCKS TO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GET ON 100 AS OPPOSED TO JUST TAKING 90TH TO NORMANDALE AND GOING DOWN TO 100 WHICH I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S NOT FASTER BUT WHATEVER PEOPLE AREN'T RATIONAL SO THEY DO THEY DO WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO IN ORDER TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE. SO MY POINT BEING THAT LIKE KUDOS TO THE FOLKS IN ENGINEERING WHO HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW THIS INTERSECTION CAN WORK TO THE POINT WHERE NOTHING BAD HAS HAPPENED TO IT. SO KUDOS TO YOU ALL. ABSOLUTELY. LIKE I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY LIKE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE AMOUNT OF SAFE IT IS IT'S IT'S INCREDIBLE. SO GREAT JOB. ABSOLUTELY BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO MAKE MAJOR DECISIONS AT THAT INTERSECTION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT ITS NORMAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE AND MAYBE MAYBE THE DATA YOU'RE GIVING US IS NORMAL AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING OVER THE LAST YEAR IS ABNORMAL AND SO WE CAN DISCOUNT THAT AND IF THAT'S TRUE THEN THAT'S GREAT BUT I'D BE CAREFUL ABOUT LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST YEAR AND SAYING OH THAT'S THE PATTERN THAT WE NEED TO MODEL OUR DECISIONS BASED ON ALL THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKED OPTION ONE BUT I ACTUALLY LIKED A COMBINATION OF OPTION ONE AND OPTION TO WHICH YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE MENTION OF THE IDEA THAT THAT WITH WITH OPTION ONE ONLY SOLVING FOR ONE HALF CAN YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AN OPTION TWO FOR THE OTHER HALF IS LIKE SO IS CAN OPTION ONE LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON ON THE EAST ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION IS I'M LOOKING NORTH AND THEN CAN YOU CAN YOU DO THE CHANGES TO THE CHANNEL IZATION ON THE WEST AND SOUTHBOUND SIDE I GUESS I'M DOING THAT RIGHT YEAH WE'RE GOING YEAH GOING WEST FROM THE NORTH AND GOING SOUTH FROM THE EAST. RIGHT. AM I SAYING THAT FROM THE WEST ? YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION AT ALL BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING A COMBINATION OF REALLY INTERESTING DATA RIGHT? YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE SOLVING QUICKLY FOR THE AREA OF MOST CROSSING WHICH IS THE MOST THE ONE WE'D WANT TO BE MOST SAFE RIGHT THE PEOPLE THAT THE WAY THAT PEOPLE USE IT MOST WHEN WE DO THE MOST PROTECTIONS ON AND THEN THE OTHER ONES THOUGH YOU GET SOME PROTECTION FROM THAT SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION. THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS CAN YOU DO A THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE YOU SAID WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD OR WOULDN'T BACK UP TRAFFIC SO CAN YOU STUDY THAT LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THIS AT ALL BUT YOU COULD CLOSE ONE OF THE TWO TURN LANES RANDOMLY WITH A BUNCH OF CONES AND JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON A GIVEN DAY ABOUT TRAFFIC BACKUP, RIGHT? YOU COULD DO THAT. SIMILARLY WITH YOU MAKING THAT RIGHT TURN IN OPTION THREE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT TURN POTENTIALLY BACKING THINGS UP. YOU COULD JUST CLOSE THE CHANNEL AND MAKE THEM MAKE A RIGHT TURN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND FIGURE IT OUT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE PLAN OR IF YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE AS IDEAS AND HOW TO ACTUALLY GET SOME DATA KNOWING THAT I JUST SAID DON'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE I'M NOT I'M NOT HELPING YOU BY SAYING DON'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE ACCURATE BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN DO THOSE THINGS. YEAH. YEAH. MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER DALE SANDRA WE CAN CERTAINLY COMBINE ALTERNATIVES ONE INTO INTO ONE ALTERNATIVE MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT FEEDBACK IN THE PAST TWO TO COMBINE 1 IN 2 OR 1 IN 3 SO THAT IS A GOOD POINT THERE REGARDING THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT THAT WERE COLLECTED AND MODELED, THEY BELIEVE THOSE WERE BEFORE THE 494 PROJECT STARTED. UM I DON'T KNOW MIKE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT ON MODELING THE MEDIAN WIDENING THE MEDIAN AND GETTING RID OF A LEFT TURN LANE I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT IN A TRAFFIC SOFTWARE RIGHT? YEAH WE WE LOOKED AT REMOVAL OF THOSE LEFT TURN LANES ON ALL FOUR APPROACHES SEPARATELY AND CONCURRENT LEE AND THE LEFT TURN ON THE NORTH LEG AND THE WEST LEG THOSE LEFT TURNS ARE VERY HEAVY SUCH THAT REMOVAL OF ONE WOULD JUST NOT FUNCTION AT ALL SO THAT LEAVES US WITH THOSE OTHER TWO THAT ARE LEFT WITH ALTERNATIVE ONE. AND THEN TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT MAY BACK UP OR IT MAY BACK UP WE TEST ALL THESE IN A TRAFFIC MODEL. IT'S JUST LIKE A WEATHER MODEL. IT'S OUR BEST GUESS BASED OFF OF THE DATA WE HAVE AND THE METHODOLOGY. SO OUR BEST GUESS TELLS US THAT IT MAY BE AN ISSUE PERIODICALLY DURING 1 OR 2 HOURS OF THE DAY. COULD WE TEST IT OUT CERTAINLY FOR THE PUBLIC LIKE US TO TEST IT OUT MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. BUT THAT'S USUALLY NOT SOMETHING WE INCLUDE IN OUR TESTING OF ALTERNATIVES BUT COULD BE WORTH LOOKING INTO. OKAY. THANK THANKS FOR THAT. YEAH I. I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT LEAST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN BLOOMINGTON I THINK THEY'D WANT US TO TEST IT BEFORE WE SPENT $5 MILLION ON IT, YOU KNOW SO IF WE CAN DO THAT I THINK IF WE YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME CREATIVE WAY TO DO IT, MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT TO JUST SEE BUT YOU ALL OF THE EXPERTS ON THAT FRONT. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT I BUT I WOULD AGREE I MEAN IT'LL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE 494 BRIDGE PROJECT THAT WE JUST JUST DEALT WITH WHERE THEY PUT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER BY NICOLLET MALL OR NICOLLET OVER FOR 94 YOU KNOW BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN DOWN AT LORING PARK GOOD EXAMPLES THIS PAST WEEKEND WHEN WAS REALLY REALLY BUSY THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM THE SCULPTURE GARDEN OVER TO LORING PARK AND BACK IT'S USED NOT BY HALF PEOPLE HALF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTING TO CROSS THERE AND SO I THINK YOU'RE I MEAN I THINK I APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. I REALLY, REALLY DO. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER OF THE WAY DOWN THE STREET AND WE'RE GOING TO PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO USE IT. THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO USE IT AND WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE W CAN SEE IN THE DIRT HOW PEOPLE TAKE CORNERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS CAN BE PERPENDICULAR BUT PEOPLE AREN'T AND SO I JUST IF WE CAN SPEND THAT $5 MILLION DOING SOMETHING THAT'S TRULY GOING TO BE MORE SAFETY ORIENTED AND GIVE PEOPLE THIS LINE OF SIGHT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO GET TO AND FROM PLACES I THINK THAT'D BE BETTER. I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION OF BIKE LANES THOUGH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT SERIOUSLY. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, I'LL ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION. I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH A COMPLICATED ONE. OKAY. NO, I MEAN I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU CONSIDER CLOSING. ALL RIGHT. ALL FOUR RIGHT TURNS AT ONE POINT RIGHT? YES. WHY WASN'T ANY PROPOSAL ON REGARDS TO ALL THE CLOSURE? NOT CLOSURE BUT REDUCING THE SPEED AND ALL FOUR OF THEM OR MAKE IT TO THE ONE COMING FROM THE NORTH TURNING RIGHT INTO THE WEST AND THE ONE COMING FROM THE EAST TURNING NORTH ONTO 100. SO WHY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSALS WITH THOSE TWO SLOWING DOWN THE OTHER TWO? RIGHT. GREAT QUESTION. YES. SO THE SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN AND THE EASTBOUND RIGHT TURN SO ON AND OFF OF 100 BASICALLY RIGHT YES WESTBOUND RIGHT. YEAH THOSE TWO RIGHT TURNS ARE ALSO SIMILAR TO THE LEFT TURNS VERY HEAVY MOVEMENTS SUCH THAT A TRADITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUSH THAT MUCH TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT WE'D HAVE QUEUES FARTHER BACK ON TO 100 OR TO THE EAST ON 84TH SO IT IT THE DELAYS ASSOCIATED THAT WITH THAT WOULD BE NOT ACCEPTABLE I GUESS AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN DRIVERS ARE DELAYED THEY BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE AND SAFETY GETS BAD. ALL RIGHT, THANKS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK WHAT COUNCIL ME US WAS ASKING IS WHY ISN'T THERE A ROUNDABOUT THERE IS SO I WAS I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY WAY SO WISCONSIN YEAH BUT MY MY QUESTION IS WE HAVE A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WHEN WOULD WORK BE DONE IN THIS AREA BASED ON THAT APPROXIMATELY OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT TO THE YEAR BUT YEAH. MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC YEAR YET FOR THIS PROJECT. I DID THIS THESE ARE JUST LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE PLAN TO PUT INTO OUR CIP AT SOME POINT. I BELIEVE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WAS PLANNED IN 2032 SO IT WOULD BE MAYBE AROUND THAT TIME FRAME BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME YET. OKAY. AND THEN IN MY CORRECT AND REMEMBERING THAT THIS SECTION OF NORMAN DALE IS COUNTY ROAD AND WHAT WOULD THEIR ROLE BE IN TERMS OF PLANNING AS WELL AS FUNDING FOR IT IN TERMS OF PLANNING THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW ALL OF THE DESIGN PLANS AND LAYOUTS FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS. IN TERMS OF FUNDING I DO NOT KNOW THAT QUESTION SO I MIGHT PASS THAT OFF TO JULIE LONG, OUR CITY ENGINEER SORRY JULIE MR. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST TO GET INCLUDED IN HENNEPIN COUNTY'S CIP PROGRAM AND SO LIKE JEREMY MENTIONED, THE PED IS OUT FOR 2032. SO HENNEPIN COUNTY ISN'T TAKING REQUESTS OUT THAT FAR YET SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. LOOK, WHAT ABOUT THE CHANGES AT THE INTERSECTION NOT THE PED BRIDGE THAT IS SAY SAME SITUATION, SAME SITUATION. THANK YOU. THEN I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT BASED ON THE SAFETY DATA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER INTERSECTIONS IS THAT IF WE LOOK AT THE DATA HAVE ACTUAL MORE SAFETY CONCERNS AND YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $5 MILLION SOMEWHERE WHICH WE ARE WILL SPEND IT SOMEWHERE, LET'S SPEND IT IN THE AREA THAT WE GET THE MOST IMPACT AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE THAT IS BUT IF THIS ONE HAS HAD NO PEDESTRIAN INJURIES, THE CRASH RATES ARE RELATIVELY LOW, THEN I THINK FRANKLY I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS WHERE THERE ARE CRASHES AND INJURIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN I KNOW NOT TOO FAR FROM ME ON ON FRANCE AND 102ND THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF FATALITIES AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU KNOW WE I JUST LET'S FOCUS OUR SCARCE RESOURCES IN THE MOST HIGH IMPACT AREAS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE DONE AND I THINK THAT IT SEEMS TO BE WORK AND I WOULD I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH OPTION IT WAS BUT I WOULD TAKE I WOULD DO THE NO OPTION WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PED BRIDGE AND FOCUS THOSE RESOURCES ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY WHERE WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING CRASHES AND AND PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACCIDENTS. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER I'LL JUST WRAPPING UP THINGS UP HERE BY SAYING SO YOU CAN SEE BY THE THE NUMBER OF LANES AND BY HOW CLOSE THE CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANES ARE TO HOLIDAY INTO THE 8000. YOU CAN TELL THIS WAS KIND OF RETROFITTED THIS WAS THE ROAD WAS ONE WIDTH AND THEN AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED AND THEN INCREASED PEDESTRIAN INCREASED TRAFFIC HAPPENED IT JUST KIND OF WORKED TOWARD MAKING IT ALL WORK AND I IF THE GOAL WAS TO MAKE TRAFFIC GET THROUGH THERE FASTER I MEAN MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE YOU CAN YOU CAN DRIVE IT'S FREEWAY SPEED I'M 34 AND ON NORMANDY BOULEVARD AND HAVE PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND YOU AND SO IT IT'S WORKED AND WHAT IT WAS SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH MY THOUGHT WOULD BE WHAT CAN WE DO TO UNDO SOME OF THAT AND I'D LEAVE THAT UP TO THE TO THE FOLKS WHO KNOW BEST. BUT THERE'S I GET IT. WE'D BE SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN, HEAVEN FORBID, BUT WE'D BE SOLVING PEOPLE DOWN. BUT TO MAKE IT SAFER NOT ONLY FROM A PEDESTRIANS STANDPOINT BUT THE BICYCLE STANDPOINT BUT JUST FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT IT CAN GET A LITTLE HAIRY IN THERE AND JUST TO MAKE IT A MORE DRIVABLE AREA 84TH IS IS A CITY STREET. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT THE BIG COUNTY ROAD RELIEVER LIKE ARMIDALE IS AND SO THE WORK THAT WE CAN DO I THINK TO TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT SOME OF THE INCENTIVES TO DRIVE JUST AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN ON THAT ROAD THE BETTER. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU YOU COUNCIL I'M GOING TO CALL ITEM 5.3 NOW OUR CITY COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. EMILY LARSON IS GOINGO COME UP HERE AND PRESENT THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS NOW 834. WE STILL HAVE THIS WE HAVE COUNCIL ISSUES AND UPDATES AND THEN WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION. SO IT'S LOOKING VERY LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO GO PAST 9:00. I THINK IT'S UP TO ALL OF US TO DECIDE HOW MUCH PAST 9:00 WE GO. SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION HERE. SO GOOD EVENING, MISS LARSON. WELL WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING. SO I'M HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT OF FOR JUST ONE SECOND. >> REMEMBER I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS EARLIER WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S VERY INTERESTED IN THIS ITEM THAT ISN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE'S NOT FEELING WELL AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO TO EITHER DELAY THIS OR DELAY ACTION ON THIS OR HOW WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S HAS HAS THOUGHT HE'S EMAILED HE'S ENGAGED ON IT AND I APOLOGIZE YOU KNOW I SHOULD BROUGHT THIS UP ON THE AGENDA WHEN I WAS ASKED ABOUT INSTEAD OF GETTING TO THIS POINT KEEP A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS NOT A DECISION ITEM. THIS IS A THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND THIS IS FOR US TO GIVE FEEDBACK AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF OR NEXT STEPS. AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN HAS SUBMITTED COPIOUS INFORMATION REGARDING THIS IN HIS OPINION ON THIS WITH QUESTIONS AND SO ON. SO I THINK HIS INPUT HAS BEEN HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND I THINK WE CAN ALL BE PART OF THE TOTAL MIX AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP GOING ON THIS IF IF IF YOU'RE COOL WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, I'M HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON CITY COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS TO GATHER FEEDBACK REGARDING THIS TOPIC SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE OR AM I ADVANCING HERE? LOOKS LIKE IT'S ME. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO REVIEW SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS A REMINDER FOR THE GROUP HERE TONIGHT PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW ON THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS CONDUCTED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THEN SHARE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON THAT INPUT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS FROM THE GROUP. SO THIS TOPIC FIRST EMERGED AT THE MEETING ON JANUARY 6TH OF THIS YEAR AND COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE OPTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A CONSISTENT PROCESS REGARDING GUIDELINES FOR COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE CONVERSATION OUR FOCUS IS ON THE COMMISSIONS ESTABLISHED IN CITY CODE CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FIVE AND SPECIFICALLY THOSE IN BOLD . SO I REFER TO THESE GROUPS AS THE BIG FIVE AND THEY ARE THE ADVISORY BOARD OF HEALTH, THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION, THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, THE PARK COMMISSION AND THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION. IN EXPLORING THIS TOPIC WE CONSIDERED FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SO FIRST LOOKING AT THE LEFT THINKING OF HAVING NO REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COUNCIL SERVING ON THESE BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS AND THEN MOVING ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION MAY BE HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE WHICH WOULD INVOLVE A SIGNIFICANT TIME COMMITMENT. SO WE EXPLORED ALL OPTIONS IN BETWEEN NO REPRESENTATION, NO REPRESENTATIVE OF OVER TO REPRESENTATIVE IN THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE CONDUCTED THE TWO DIFFERENT FORMS OF FEEDBACK THAT WERE OFFERED WERE FIRST LEVERAGING THE ANNUAL EXPERIENCE SURVEY THAT'S CONDUCTED EVERY YEAR FOR MEMBERS INVOLVING CUSTOM QUESTIONS AND THEN OUR STANDARD QUESTIONS AND THAT SURVEY IS PROVIDED TO ALL ACTIVE MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONS AND THEN ALSO FOCUSED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIVE BOARDS IN QUESTION AND ALSO THE STAFF WHO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THOSE BOARDS. SO AT A HIGH LEVEL THE ANNUAL EXPERIENCE SURVEY HERE'S A SUMMARY OF A FEW DATA POINTS FOR YOU AND WE HAVE 32% OF ACTIVE MEMBERS COMPLETE THE SURVEY SO 27 INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING NINE OF THE 11 COMMISSIONS. ALL OF THOSE RESPONSES 85% ARE SATISFIED WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE. 74% AGREE THAT THE CITY VALUES THEIR CONTRIBUTION ON THE COMMISSION AND THEN 93% ARE LIKELY ARE VERY LIKELY TO RECOMMEND SERVING TO OTHERS. AND THESE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD IN THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE IN 2023, 2024. SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF SATISFACTION WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR CURRENT MEMBERS. WE DID ADD SIX CUSTOM QUESTIONS TO THE SURVEY TO GUIDE OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT SO FOCUSING ON COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT AND IN THE QUESTION THAT ASKED ABOUT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WITH COUNCIL, 58% OF RESPONDENTS INDICATED THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAD ENOUGH ENGAGEMENT WITH COUNCIL TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS REALLY ENOUGH. WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO RANK OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT AND WE SPECIFIED WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WERE AND THIS IS HOW THE RANKING EMERGED. SO REGULAR TOUCH POINTS AND UPDATES WAS THE NUMBER ONE ITEM. HAVING A COUNCIL LIAISON CAME IN AT NUMBER TWO AND THEN A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE CAME IN AT NUMBER THREE. TO ILLUSTRATE THERE'S A FEW COMMENTS HERE ABOUT WHY THE RANKINGS EMERGED THE WAY THAT THEY DID SO TOUCH POINTS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE GROUP WAS EXCITED ABOUT OR AN INDIVIDUAL IS EXCITED ABOUT I SHOULD SAY ONE INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSED THAT A LIAISON WOULD BE GREAT BUT RECOGNIZING THAT WOULD BE A BIG ASK OF TIME FOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND SO THERE'S ALSO SOME REFERENCE TO POWER DYNAMICS AND A DESIRE FOR MORE CONTINUED LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL. SO GETTING FURTHER INTO THE SHORT ANSWER RESPONSES OF OUR CUSTOM QUESTIONS WE ASKED WHAT KIND OF CONNECTION WOULD FEEL MOST VALUABLE AND THERE WERE THREE THEMES THAT EMERGED FROM THOSE RESPONSES. THE FIRST WAS FOCUSING ON SPECIFIC ASKS FOR INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM COMMISSIONS SO COUNCIL TO COMMISSIONS. THE SECOND WAS HAVING A MORE CLEAR AND INTENTIONAL CONNECTION BETWEEN COMMISSION WORK PLANS AND THE BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN THIRD HAVING MORE GUIDANCE FROM CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT COMMISSIONS CAN ACTUALLY ACT UPON. WE ALSO ASKED HOW MORE MEANINGFUL CONNECTION MIGHT IMPACT THE EXPERIENCE OF SERVING ON A COMMISSION AND SAW THREE ADDITIONAL THEMES EMERGE. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT MORE CONNECTION WOULD HELP COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE THEIR VOICES WERE HEARD AND VALUED WOULD HELP COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE THEY HAD A STRONGER CONNECTION TO CITY GOVERNANCE AS A WHOLE AS OPPOSED TO THE SILOS THAT THEY MAY LIVE WITHIN AND THEN FEELING CONFIDENT THAT AN IMPACT HAS BEEN MADE THROUGH THEIR WORK AND THEIR CONTRIBUTION. SO BEYOND THE SURVEY WE ALSO HAD A FOCUSED CONVERSATION WITH EACH OF THE FIVE BOARDS LED BY STAFF LIAISON AND WE ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS OF EACH GROUP AND THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS THERE WERE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EMERGED FROM MEMBERS. SO FIRST IS ASKING FOR CLARITY OF EXPECTATIONS AND SPECIFIC REQUESTS FROM COMMISSIONS SO THAT MIGHT FEEL REPETITIVE RIGHT FROM SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD IN THE SURVEY ALSO ASKING FOR MORE ATTENDANCE AND ENGAGEMENT AND REGULAR MEETINGS WHETHER IT'S COMING TO A REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMISSION MEETING OR LEVERAGING OTHER EVENTS LIKE THE BOARDING COMMISSION CONNECT EVENTS THAT WE'VE HOSTED IN THE PAST AND THEN CREATING A MORE CONSISTENT FEEDBACK LOOP WITH COMMISSIONS SO THAT IF COMMISSIONS ARE PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS OR ADVISING THE COUNCIL ON A CERTAIN TOPIC THERE'S A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT FEEDBACK WAS USED AND WHAT DECISIONS WERE MADE AS A RESULT. SO IN ADDITION TO MEMBERS WE ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF SO STAFF LIAISONS AND SECRETARIES AND WE SAW THREE KEY THEMES EMERGE FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THE FIRST IS THAT COMMISSIONS DESIRE MORE CLEAR AND SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON INITIATIVES AGAIN THAT MAY FEEL REPETITIVE FROM THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD. THERE IS ALSO A POINT ABOUT CONVERSATION RATHER THAN FORMAL COUNCIL MEETINGS SO YOU HEAR FROM EACH OF THESE GROUPS ONCE A YEAR ABOUT THEIR WORK PLANS AND THINKING THAT A MORE CONVERSATIONAL OR DIALOG BASED OPPORTUNITY WOULD INCREASE UNDERSTANDING AND ALIGNMENT FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEN THIRD, RECOGNIZING THAT SOMETIMES COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES OR HYPOTHETICALLY BECAUSE MOST OF THESE GROUPS DON'T HAVE THEM IT COULD RESULT IN AN UNINTENDED POWER IMBALANCE WITH HAVING RESIDENT MEMBERS APPOINTED AND THEN THE COUNCIL ROLE BEING WHAT IT IS. SO WITH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HAS EMERGED AND THINKING ABOUT THE FOUR SCENARIOS THAT WERE EXPLORED IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REGULAR TOUCHPOINTS AND UPDATES AND SPECIFICALLY THINKING OF MORE STRUCTURED AND CONSISTENT TOUCHPOINTS AND UPDATES TO HAVE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THERE'S FOUR KEY AREAS THAT RELATE TO THIS RECOMMENDATION AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND COVER EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY. SO FIRST WITHIN THESE UPDATES WOULD BE TO CLARIFY ROLES EXPECTATION AND SHARED PURPOSE FOR COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DESIRE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING MORE EFFECTIVELY. SO I MENTIONED SILOS EARLIER, RIGHT? NOT JUST THINKING WITHIN THEIR OWN WORK PLAN BUT MAKING SURE THEY'RE ALIGNING WITH YOUR STRATEGIC DIRECTION FOR THE CITY AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO. WHAT MIGHT THIS LOOK LIKE SO WE COULD SEE BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND COMMISSION WORK PLANS WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK OR THROUGH THE WORK PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. ALSO IF THERE'S A ASK OF COMMISSIONS TO COUNCIL OR COUNCIL TO COMMISSIONS BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF INPUT WOULD BE OF VALUE TO YOU ALL ON THE COUNCIL AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND THEN THINKING ABOUT POLICYMAKING WHICH IS A CORE FUNCTION OF THE COUNCIL. SO CLARITY ON HOW COMMISSIONS CAN BE INVOLVED IN THE POLICY SIDE OF THINGS ESTABLISHING CONSISTENT TWO WAY COMMUNICATION AND FEEDBACK LOOPS IS ANOTHER KEY AREA AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT HAVING RELIABLE AND RESPONSIVE COMMUNICATION FROM YOU ALL ON THE COUNCIL TO THE COMMISSIONS SO WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE COULD BE CLEAR AND TIMELY DIRECTION ON COUNCIL PRIORITIES. SO THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS AND IDENTIFY YOUR STRATEGIES HAVING THOSE GO DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONS IN A TIMELY WAY YOU MIGHT SEE THAT IN MEMO OR REPORTING TEMPLATES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED REGULAR OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIALOG AND THAT WE'RE DIALOG I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND HAVING MORE SPACE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD FREQUENTLY SO THAT COULD BE THROUGH JOINT MEETINGS, LISTENING SESSIONS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AND THEN FOCUSING ON HAVING A FEEDBACK LOOP SO THAT THERE'S CLARITY ON WHAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED FROM THE COMMISSION SIDE OF THINGS THAT LED TO DECISIONS THAT YOU WERE MAKING AS A BODY HAVING PURPOSEFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR RELATIONSHIP BUILDING IS THE THIRD KEY AREA REALLY RECOGNIZING THAT COMMISSIONERS VALUE RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER WITH THE STAFF THAT THEY SPEAK VERY HIGHLY OF BUT ALSO WITH YOU ALL AS COMMISSION MEMBERS AND HELPING INCREASE THE VISIBILITY OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL GROUPS. SO AGAIN THIS COULD INVOLVE LEVERAGING EXISTING MEETINGS. SO WE HAVE HOSTED BIANNUAL COMMISSION CONNECT EVENTS IN THE PAST AND PERHAPS WE CONSIDER STRENGTHENING THE STRUCTURE OR THE AGENDA OF THOSE MEETINGS AND ALSO CLARIFYING THE EXPECTATION OF ATTENDANCE FOR BOTH COMMISSION BODIES AND THE COUNCIL CONSIDERING INCORPORATING CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCTIONS WITH ONBOARDING SO THAT ALL NEW MEMBERS HAVE A TOUCHPOINT WITH YOU RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE STARTING THEIR SERVICE CONSIDERING ESTABLISHING ANNUAL MEETINGS BETWEEN LET'S SAY THE CITY COUNCIL CHAIRS AND VICE CHAIR. SO THINKING ABOUT CONNECTING STRATEGIC DIRECTION OF ALL OF THOSE GROUPS AND THEN POTENTIALLY EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFORMAL INTERACTIONS. SO MAYBE THAT'S MEET AND GREETS COMMUNITY EVENTS THE VOLUNTEER EVENT, SHARED TABLING OPPORTUNITIES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. BUT ULTIMATELY WE DID HEAR FROM FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS A RECOGNITION THAT THEY RECKON THEY RECOMMEND AVOIDING CREATING ADDITIONAL TIME COMMITMENTS FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND I KNOW THAT'S A SHARED INTEREST FROM BOTH GROUPS. AND THEN THE FOURTH I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS BUT THERE ARE TWO COMMISSIONS WITHIN THE FIVE THAT DO HAVE CITY CODE IMPLICATIONS. IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OUR APPROACH TO REGULAR TOUCHPOINTS AND UPDATES. AND SO PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION IS TO UPDATE CITY CODE TO SUNSET THOSE SEATS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN WHAT CODE HAS ESTABLISHED. SO WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR THE WORK PULLING THIS ALL TOGETHER. I KNOW IT WAS AN IT WAS IT WAS A BIG TASK. LOOKS LIKE YOU TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS AND GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. WELL DONE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO FIRST I JUST HAVE TO SAY WHEN WE THIS WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT UP IN JANUARY, I WAS LIKE OH, WHY ARE WE GOING TO SPEND TIME DOING THIS? BUT THE I MEAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD BUT I WAS LIKE WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE SOME DECISIONS? BUT I REALLY THINK IT WAS GREAT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE HOW YOU DESIGN THE PROCESS BOTH IN TERMS OF HAVING THE SURVEY AND THE FOCUS GROUPS AND AND REALLY THOUGHTFULLY AND THOROUGHLY ENGAGING THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED. AND OVERALL I WOULD SAY I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD. I THINK KIND OF MY ONE OF MY KEY TAKEAWAYS IS THAT EVERYBODY JUST REALLY WANTS TO BE DOING HIGH IMPACT EFFECTIVE WORK RIGHT? AND AND THEY WANT TO BE IN STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS DOING. AND I KNOW I HAD HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME FORMER AND CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO WERE FEELING LIKE THEY COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE. RIGHT? THEY COULD BE DOING MORE IMPACTFUL WORK. AND SO I THINK THAT THIS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD AND SOMETHING THAT I REALLY DO LIKE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT WANTING TO ADD A BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL MEETINGS. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS JUST MAYBE EVEN DOING SOME KIND OF RETREAT TO THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THE BOARD CHAIRS AND VICE CHAIRS AND THE STAFF LIAISON'S SO WE CAN GET SUPER CLEAR ON WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. SO MAYBE IT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FALL FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE REALLY MEANINGFUL WORK PLANS THAT ALIGN WITH THE PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL AND THEN IT COULD ALSO HELP US GET REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO YEAH I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE WE I FIRST CAME IN COUNCIL IS LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS JUST ISN'T WHERE I WOULD EXPECT US TO BE WHEN WE'RE ASKING THEM TO TAKE ON WORK ON OUR BEHALF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND EVEN MORE TIME HERE. AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHERE THIS IS LEADING AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SAYS THAT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO AND THAT THEY WANT TO DO THAT. I LOVE AN IDEA OF A QBE REQUIRE QUARTERLY BUSINESS REVIEW. MY TEAM AT WORK IS ABOUT TO GET READY TO DO ANOTHER Q2 IS NONE BUT I THINK THAT IS AN IDEA THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET MORE EXPOSURE TO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AND ALLOW THEM TO BE IN FRONT OF US AND CREATE THAT CONNECTION. BUT MY BROADER QUESTION AND I DON'T NEED A ANSWER BUT SOMETHING I'M ASKING FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS ARE WE AT AN INFLECTION POINT WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TIME? MY WIFE AND MY KIDS WILL NOT SAY NO TO GETTING MORE TIME WITH ME BUT WHEN I LOOK AT OUR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, THE WORK PLANS THAT WE HAVE, THE THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEV LIKE DO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TIME FROM OUR BOARD OF COMMISSION MEMBERS AND FROM COUNCIL TO GET THIS WORK DONE BECAUSE OUR CITY HAS GROWN RIGHT? IF WE LOOK AT THE MAP OF A GRAPH OF OUR POPULATION RIGHT WE STAGNATED IN THE 80S AND 90S THAT IT STAYED AT THAT 85,000 POPULATION RANGE AND OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE INCREASED UNTIL THE 90S. NOW OUR PROJECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE THE 100,000 THE NEXT 510 YEARS HERE LIKE ARE WE GETTING TO A SIZE WHERE THIS JUST NECESSITATES US HAVING TO BE MORE COMMITTED AND GIVING MORE TIME TO SUPPORT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE CAN UNLOCK AND GROW AS THE CITY GROWS AND SO THAT'S A QUESTION I, I PLAYED PUT OUT THERE FOR THE COUNCIL AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME BACK FOR HOME LIFE AND FOR MY WORK LIFE ARE WE THERE WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE FOCUS AND TIME CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO GROW SO JUST A QUESTION PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO CONSIDER AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO CUT BACK ON MEETINGS. THANKS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I'M AT A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M CURIOUS DID YOU DID YOU DID DID YOU HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO FORMER MEMBERS OF COMMITTEES THERE? COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WE DID NOT TALK TO PAST MEMBERS. >> OKAY. I'M JUST THERE'S ALWAYS AN INTERESTING QUESTION ABOUT LIKE WAS THAT PART OF THE REASON THEY ROLLED OFF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FEEL ENGAGEMENT TO THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE MAKING AN IMPACT AND WHATEVER AND WOULD WE WANT TO SOLVE FOR THAT SO WE JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT I DON'T KNOW IF IS PART OF ONGOING THOUGHTS AS PEOPLE EXIT THEIR BOARD COMMISSION OPPORTUNITIES MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT FEEDBACK SUCH THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT OVER OVER TIME. OKAY. YEAH I THINK THIS IS GREAT. I, I, I KNOW THAT WHEN WHEN IT WHEN WE HAVE HAD OF A COMMISSION ACTIVELY ASK FOR COUNCIL PRESENC AT A PARTICULAR MEETING OR WHATEVER I'VE ALWAYS PRIORITIZED GETTING THERE IF I COULD BECAUSE I THINK IF THEY'RE MAKING THAT CALL OUT THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT THEY WANT TO TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY NEED GUIDANCE OR THEY WANT TO MAKE A CASE FOR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER. AND I, I SO I THINK THE IDEA THAT THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK US AND ASK ALL OF US NOT JUST THEIR LIAISON FOR EXAMPLE OR SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT SIT THERE TO TO SAY PLEASE COME ALL OF YOU WE WANT YOUR INPUT ON THIS YOU KNOW ALL THEIR MEETINGS ARE PUBLIC ANYWAY. SO FOUR OF US SHOW UP. IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF PUBLIC MEETING LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT WAY TO DO IT. I HOPE THAT IT DOES YIELD THE KIND OF ADDITIONAL ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WANT AND I THINK IT GIVES US A FOCUSED OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TO SHARE WITH THEM WHAT WE'RE THINKING WHEN YOU KNOW OR WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE APPROVED THEIR WORK PLAN IN THE IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> THANKS. AND THERE'S COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH. JUST VERY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHEN WILL WE SEE THE SPECIFICS ON THOSE? THERE'S THE CLARITY OF THE PURPOSE AND THE ROLES AND ALL THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GOT RAISED THAT LED TO THIS CONVERSATION AND I THINK THE REALITY IS AS MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONS OPERATE VERY DIFFERENTLY AND THERE ARE VERY DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS FROM THEM AND SO JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THOSE THINGS I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF THE TOUCH POINTS, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AND HAVING SOME TYPE OF REGULAR REPORTING AND INTEGRATING THEM INTO DISCUSSION AND WHEN RELEVANT YOU KNOW LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH OUR PARKS CHAIR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONS ALONG WITH STAFF WHEN APPROPRIATE SO I THINK THIS IS GONE A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION. I THINK ANSWERING A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN TERMS OF HOW THESE OPERATE, HOW WE INTERACT, HOW WE ENGAGE THEM EVEN MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY TREE AND MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I DID HEAR A QUESTION IN YOUR COMMENTS AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM HERE IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT DIVISION DOES PROVIDE THAT HIGH LEVEL COORDINATION OF COMMISSIONS AND SO WE'D WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND INTERIM CITY MANAGERS AND STAFF LIAISONS TO MOVE SOME OF THESE THINGS FORWARD SO YOU CAN SEE THEM IN ACTION AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT AS WE TRY SOME OF THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING SUPPORTED BY STAFF FROM MY TEAM AND THEN ALSO WITH THE STAFF LIAISONS WORKING TOGETHER. I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORWARD AND I AGREE COMPLETELY ON THE TOUCH POINTS. I AGREE ON THE CLARIFYING THE ROLES AND EXPECTATIONS BUT I WOULD ALSO THINK AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF IT AS WELL JUST THE OVERALL STRUCTURE TO MAKE THIS MORE ATTAINABLE. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IF THE WHAT IF ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MET ON THE SAME NIGHT OF THE WEEK ALL THE TIME AND THAT WAY IF THEY WANTED TO TOUCH POINT WITH THE THE CITY COUNCIL IT COULD BE YOU KNOW A DROP IN IT COULD BE A MEAL BEFOREHAND, IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT TOUCHPOINT AND DO THAT KIND OF THING OR A STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF THE THE THE TWO WAY COMMUNICATION FACE TO FACE IS ALWAYS BEST AND BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK. BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT AS WELL AND HOW CAN WE EXPLORE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT AND AGAIN I'M NOT I KNOW I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY THOUGHT OF ABOUT 4 OR 5 TIMES IN ADDITION TO EVEN WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF IT AS WELL IN ADDITION TO GO WITH THESE GOALS AND THESE THESE IDEAS WHICH I THINK ARE ALL GREAT BUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, SUPER, SUPER QUICK JUST YOUR FOURTH RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE SUNSET THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES. WHEN WILL THAT COME BACK? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THIS WHOLE THING WOULD COME BACK TO US WHICH WOULD BE ANY IDEA WHEN MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE EXACT TIMELINE HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED AND WITH CODE AMENDMENTS WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THE TEAM IN LEGAL TO MOVE THOSE THINGS FORWARD IF IF IT APPEARS THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING SUPPORTED BY THE GROUP. I THINK BOTTOM LINE IS TBD ON THE ON THE NEXT TIME WITH THAT WE'LL COME BACK FOR A DISCUSSION AND YEP OKAY WOULD THAT BE PUBLIC? YEAH YEAH I'M SURE TO BE PART OF PUBLIC. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO I'D SORT OF A QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SENT TO ALL OF US TO CONSIDER IF WE DON'T IF THE IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO BUT I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT THIS PARTICULAR THING AND HAVE HIM PARTICIPATE IN THIS BECAUSE I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HE SENT TO ALL OF US. >> AND AS I SAID, THIS ISN'T THE FINAL DECISION. WE'RE JUST ASKING WE'RE PROVIDING INPUT TO STAFF AND THAT'S PART OF THE INPUT TO STAFF OR COUNCIL MEMBER ONE'S TAKING THAT INTO KNOW INTO NOTICE I YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT AND DONATE SUPPORT ANY OF THIS STUFF UNTIL WE ALL EXPRESS SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS MYSELF THAT I WILL NOT ASK TODAY BECAUSE I'M IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN HAS ALSO YOU KNOW I MEAN I WHEN I ASK OTHER QUESTIONS ALSO BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL WE DISCUSS IT AGAIN BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF HIS QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS HE MADE IN HIS EMAIL. SO WE'LL I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME. YEAH, THEY WILL BE PART OF THE MINUTES. HIS QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WILL BE PART OF THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING AND THEY'LL BE PART OF THE OVERALL EVALUATION OF THIS IS STAFF WHENEVER WE BRING IT FORWARD NEXT TO TO ACTUALLY ACT ON THIS THIS WAS A STUDY SESSION SO TO WHEN WE ACT ON THIS THERE WILL BE A FORMAL DISCUSSION BY THE COUNCIL INCLUDING ALL THAT INFORMATION, SOME OF THE HARD QUESTIONS, THOSE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED. YES. I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. MM HMM. YEAH. SO COUNSEL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. WE ARE 50S AHEAD OF OUR REQUIRED ADJOURNMENT TIME. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND OUR ADJOURNMENT TIME TO NINE 3945 WHAT DO WE THINK HERE? HOW LONG WILL THE CLOSED SESSION TAKE? WE DO 930. WE HEARD FROM THE EXPERT 930 IS IS THE THE GOAL TIME WE WILL I WILL MOVE THAT WE CAN WE WILL EXTEND OUR ADJOURNMENT TIME UNTIL NO LATER THAN 930. SECOND MOTION THE SECOND TO EXTEND OUR ADJOURNMENT TIME TO NO LATER THAN 930 THIS EVENING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO WELL THEN WE BEST GET TO IT FOLKS. NEXT UP IS OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND I WILL KICK US OFF VERY QUICKLY HERE RECAPPING OUR CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION. WE HAD FOUR SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. WE HAD MR. PAUL ROYER FROM SAINT PAUL LUTHERAN CHURCH THERE IN A SITUATION WHERE AT SAINT STEVE EXCUSE ME SAINT STEPHEN LUTHERAN CHURCH THERE IN A SITUATION AT SAINT STEPHEN WHERE THE FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES THEY RENTED OUT SPACE TO A LAWN CARE COMPANY AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SPACE THEY GOT SNOW REMOVAL THEY GOT LAWN CARE SAVED THE NUMBER OF AND A GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY FOR THE CHURCH AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S SUPPOSED IT'S AGAINST CITY CODE. AND SO PAUL ROYER ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY SOLUTIONS OR ANY SUGGESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE. I TOLD HIM WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHAT THERE WAS WITH OUR PROMISING ANY POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK INTO IT. SIMILARLY MR. BRIAN ASCII HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT STORAGE TRAILERS AND RV ISSUES AND HE WAS HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A STORAGE TRAILER LIKE HE HAS AND THE LARGER RVS THAT ARE EVEN LARGER AND MORE OBVIOUS PARKED ALONGSIDE OR IN FRONT OF A HOUSE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE AND IF THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT AGAIN TOLD TOLD MR. ASCII THAT WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT NOT GUARANTEEING ANYTHING BUT AT LEAST WE'D HAVE STAFF DIG INTO IT AND PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO HIM. ALLIE JARVIS ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A COUPLE OF LEGISLATIVE APPROVALS ONE TO BAN LIVE DOG AND CAT SALES IN STORES IN BLOOMINGTON AND SECOND AN ORDINANCE BANNING CIRCUSES USING LIVE ANIMALS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. CURRENTLY NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. HER POINT IS SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ORDINANCE TO GET AHEAD OF SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. AND FINALLY STEVE FURLONG STOPPED BY TO SHARE SITE PLANS AND ILLUSTRATIONS AND A NARRATIVE ABOUT HIS A NEW INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT NAMED THE JAMES AVENUE CITY HOMES. HE JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO US AND TO HAVE OPEN THE CONVERSATION AND WE DID JUST THAT. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE FROM MR. FURLONG ABOUT THAT. THAT IS WHAT WE HAD FOR A CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION ONCE AGAIN I THINK FOR NEW FOLKS TALKING TO US. SO MISSION ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF OPENING IT UP AND MAKING SURE THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVE A VOICE IN FRONT OF THEIR CITY COUNCIL. THE TWO OTHER THINGS ACTUALLY THE THREE OTHER THINGS THAT I WANT TO BRING FORWARD I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO THANK THE FOLKS BOTH ON THE CITY STAFF AND OUR COMMUNITY, THE FOLKS WHO ATTENDED OUR TWO CELEBRATIONS THIS PAST WEEKEND, BOTH PRIDE AND AND JUNETEENTH DESPITE THE UNGODLY HEAT. I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYBODY TURNED OUT APPRECIATED ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT TURNED OUT AND THE VOLUNTEERS THAT HELPED THIS HAPPEN THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE SPONSORS WHO HELPED THESE EVENTS HAPPEN. IT JUST COULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THEM AND IT I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO ENJOY THEM BECAUSE BLOOMINGTON EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS ARE FOR EVERYBODY AND I HOPE EVERYONE TOOK THAT TO HEART AND HAD A CHANCE TO ENJOY THAT AND GET TO ONE OF THOSE TWO CELEBRATIONS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WILL JUST MENTION I WAS IN I WASN'T AT EITHER OF THOSE CELEBRATIONS LAST WEEKEND BECAUSE I WAS AT THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS ANNUAL MEETING DOWN IN TAMPA. VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION WITH ABOUT 200 MAYORS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, A LOT OF IT RELEVANT TO BLOOMINGTON AND TO THE TWIN CITIES IN GENERAL. IT'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY ONE OF THE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE KEY GOALS THAT WE STATE FOR THIS CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS TO STEAL AS MANY IDEAS AS POSSIBLE. AND I WAS ABLE TO DO A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND HIGHLIGHTED HATCH BLOOMINGTON AND GOT ABOUT 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT PEOPLE GOT IN MY EAR AFTERWARD ASKING HOW WE DID IT, HOW WE FUNDED IT, HOW IT WAS ALL PUT TOGETHER. SO IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF NOT ONLY BLOOMINGTON STEALING IDEAS WHICH WE DID TO GET BLOOMINGTON IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT THEN TO EXTEND THAT FORWARD AND TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH THE OTHER OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES. ALL IN ALL A GOOD MEETING AND A WORTHWHILE TIME. I THINK EVEN THOUGH BLOOMINGTON IS ONE OF THE SMALLER CITIES THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS, THERE'S ALWAYS GOOD INFORMATION AND GOOD THINGS TO BRING HOME FROM IT. SO THAT IS MINE AND I WILL TURN TO MISS EDINA AND SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO OFFER. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEN, MAYORS AND STAFF AND COMMUNITY, THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS PROUD TO BE NAMED ONE OF MINNESOTA'S TOP WORKPLACES FOR 2025 WE RANKED NUMBER 45 AMONG LARGE EMPLOYERS. IT'S BASED ENTIRELY ON EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK AND IT'S AN AWARD FROM THE MINNESOTA STAR TRIBUNE AND IT HIGHLIGHTS THE CITY'S STRONG CULTURE, ENGAGEMENT AND COMMITMENT TO THE SUPPORTIVE AND INCLUSIVE WORKPLACE THAT WE HAVE. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE FOR THE ROUND OF APPLAUSE. ABSOLUTELY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER ON MY ANYTHING I SAID OR ANYTHING MR. DEAN SAID ALL RIGHT COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING FORWARD AS PART OF COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE THERE WE NOW WELL IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I WILL JUST MAKE ONE FINAL PLUG FOR THURSDAY OF THIS WEEK IS OUR ANNUAL SUMMER FIT CELEBRATION OVER AT NORMANDALE LAKE ONCE AGAIN I THINK I COUNTED CLOSE TO 30 FOOD TRUCKS. THERE'S KIDS AREA LIVE MUSIC STARTING AT FIVE MUSIC AS THE SUN GOES DOWN AND THEN THE BEST FIREWORKS IN THE TWIN CITIES AFTER DARK AND SO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO JOIN US THERE. WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE. IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT TIME. THE WEATHER IS SUPPOSED TO BE IFFY AS YOU GET CLOSER TO FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE GOOD FIREWORKS YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME ON ON THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN WE DO SUMMERFEST AND SEE THE GOOD FIREWORKS. SO COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. YOUR COMMENT ABOUT SUMMERFEST REMINDED ME OF WHEN I HAD IN BACK OF MY HEAD I PROBABLY SAID THIS LAST YEAR MAYBE I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THIS YEAR I'D LOVE FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AT SOME POINT IF WE COULD GET ON THEIR WORK PLAN TO LOOK INTO NON LOUD FIREWORKS. THEY EXIST IN NATURE. THEY'RE REALLY EASY TO GET. THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE POTENTIALLY BUT I'D LOVE FOR THAT TO BE A CASE WE HEAR EVERY YEAR FROM VETERANS WHO HAVE PTSD. OTHER FOLKS HAVE PTSD AND FOLKS WHO HAVE ANIMALS THAT IT IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME FOR THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SINCE THEY EXIST I THINK IT'S NOT HARMFUL TO TURN A BEAUTIFUL FIREWORKS DISPLAY INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE MUSIC AROUND WHICH WOULD BE AMAZING SINCE WE ASK OUR FOLKS TO PLAY THAT ANYWAY SO MAKE I DON'T KNOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S BECOMING AN ANNUAL PITCH FOR THAT BUT I'D LOVE FOR US TO FINALLY GET THAT ON OUR BOOK IF WE COULD. THANKS. I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILOR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON ITEM 5.4 OR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE? IF NOT WE WILL MOVE ON ITEM 5.5 WHICH IS A CLOSED SESSION REGARDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR THE SALT STORAGE BUILDING. STATE LAW ALLOWS CITY COUNCILS TO CLOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR A LIMITED NUMBER OF REASONS INCLUDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION NEGOTIATIONS OR CONVERSATIONS AND SO WE WILL BE DOING TT AT THIS TIME. WHAT WE WILL DO WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND WE WILL THEN COME BACK IN TO OPEN SESSION TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE MEETING THAT WE WILL WE WILL DO AND AT THAT POINT WILL REPORT BACK ABOUT ITEM 5.5. SO WITH THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL SERVED MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION. WE WILL COME BACK OUT TO CLOSE THE MEETING AND WITH THAT WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION OF THE BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL TO FINISH THE WORK OF OUR CLOSED SESSION AND COUNCIL. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE ACTIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE DECISIONS AND CONVERSATION MADE IN OUR CLOSED SESSION SAYING MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE ACTIONS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD DURING THE CLOSED SESSION. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 WITH COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS IN OPPOSITION. COUNCIL THAT COMPLETES OUR BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING AND NOW I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TONIGHT SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU MUCH FOR YOUR WORK TONIGHT COUNCIL GOOD JOB THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR LEADING US THROUGH THIS AND THANKS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING AND PARTICIPATING. EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE WEEK AND WE'LL SEE YOU AT SUMMERFEST