MAY 15, 2023 PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S 7:02. WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE. WE WERE RUNNING A LITTLE LONG IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING. INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS THERE. WE WILL, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PE SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON TH CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT D THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVENY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: LET'S MOVE ON TO CONSENT. >> CONSENT AGENDA. 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THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NE ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIO LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-020 - REQUEST TO DESIGNATE AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK ON 0.5 ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SPRINGBROOK DRIVE, 960 FEET SOUTH OF JANWOOD DRIVE. ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-7. PETITIONER: TEXAS POOL FOUNDAT THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CO. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PARKER McDOWELL, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THISEQUEST IS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK FOR A TEXAS POOL. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY 7. ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL OF THE PROJECT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AS WELL AS A CLOSEUP OF THE ACTUAL POOL ITSELF. AND NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE SIMS TO GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE TEXAS POOL AS WELL AS SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HISTORIC DESIGNATION OR LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS STEVE SIMS, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLAN FOR HERITAGE AND INFORMATION. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS KEEP MY PRESENTATION RATHER BRIEF FOR YOU TONIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT, AND TALK ABOUT THE DESIGNATION FACTORS THAT WERE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS A HERITAGE RESOURCE DESIGNATION? WELL, THIS DESIGNATION IS BASICALLY A ZONING ACTION. IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY, NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT OR WHAT ITS USE IS OVER THE YEARS. IT CAN BE REPEALED, LIKE A ZONING DISTRICT. AND IT HAS A BASE ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT HELPS TO DECIDE WHAT OTHER USES ARE APPROPRIATE THERE. SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO IT SAYING YOU CAN MAYBE USE IT FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST OR FOR EVENTS VENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY CAN COME WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. SOME GREAT EXAMPLES WOULD BE THE AMY WILSON HOUSE OR THE CARPENTER HOUSE, WHICH MOST PEOP. IT CAN ALSO BE A DISTRICT. WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE IN OUR CITY. WE HAVE THE HAGER PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT . AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS IT HELPS BRING ATTENTION TO THESE HERITAGE RESOURCES AND IT HELPS US TO PROTECT THEM. ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THIS IS AS THEY GET OLDER THEY NEED TO HAVE CARE AND HAVING THIS DESIGNATION CAN HELP. FOR SOME PROPERTIES IT COULD BE EQUIVALENT TO BEING A HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION. THEY COULD SEEK TT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM, IF THEY'RE USED FOR A RESIDENCE, UP TO 100% EXEMPTION ON THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE PROPERTY. OUR APPLICANT TONIGHT IS NOT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. THEY ARE A 501(C)(3) ENTITY. AND ALSO THIS ALSO HELPS TOO WITH PROTECTING IT FROM INAPPROPRIATE CHANGES. FOR INSTANCE, ANY TIME THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WHETHER IT COULD BE APPROVED BY THE HERITAGE PSERVATION OFFICER OR WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION. IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE RESOURCE FROM THE DEMOLITION. AND THERE ARE TWO IMPORTANT CRITERIA. WE HAVE A LIST OF EIGHT IN OUR HERITAGE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO MEET AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE. AND IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS. IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS AND THAT WAS THE SAIGLING HOUSE. THE POOL DEFINITELY MEETS THE 50-YEAR CRITERIA. IT'S GOING ON ITS 62ND BIRTHDAY. IT'S HIGHLY UNUSUAL TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A DEVELOPMENT. IT IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019. AT FIRST IT WAS BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, BY THE HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION AT THAT TIME, AND NOW IT IS TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION. THIS IS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS MADE UP FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HELP PROTECT AND TAKE CARE OF THIS. THEY'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR A WHILE. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM. AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED $228,000 DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. THAT'S BEEN USED FOR PLUMBING UPGRADES, THE POOL RESTORATION, THE PATIO DECKING AND THEY HAVE GOT THE POOL BASICALLY BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BACK IN 1961. AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-23, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO GET SOME SEATING TO HELP IMPROVE THE AMENITY, TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE, INVITING FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMING TO VISIT IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR. TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE SITE, TO VISIT IT, TO TAKE CARE OF IT. TO GET THEM TO SPEND TIME IN PLANO, HOPEFULLY STAY AT A HOTEL IN PLANO. TO EAT, SPEND MONEY. SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TRY TO GET SOME SEATING TO IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE POOL, MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A VISIT. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE GRANT THIS YEAR WAS THAT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS, IT WOULD HELP US -- IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED TO BE A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AS I SAID, WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND NOW THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION BACK IN THE FALL OF 2022. THERE'S BEEN SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO. THE SURVEY ISSUES. HAPPY TO SAY THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF ESTABLISHING PROPERTY LINES WITH THE TEXAS POOL AND THE CITY OF PLANO OVERLAND TRAIL PARK. SO, WHAT ABOUT THE CRITERIA? ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THEY MEET FOUR OF THE CRITERIA. AND ONE IS TO POSSESS SIGNIFICANCE AND HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE ARCHAEOLOGY OR CULTURE. ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS IT'S A POOL IN THE SHAPE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. THERE'S NOT MANY OF THOSE FOUND, EVEN IN OUR STATE. SOME ARE MUCH BIGGER. SOME ARE SMALLER. OURS IS PROBABLY ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE. WHAT REALLY MAKES IT UNUSUAL IS IT'S PART OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A SUBDIVISION. AND EVEN 6 YEARS AFTER OR 62 YEARS AFTER, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO OFFER TO THEIR RESIDENTS. OVER THE TIME, IT WENT FROM JUST BEING A LOCAL PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NORTH ESTATES TO INCLUDING ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A MEMBERSHIP FOR IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO TODAY WHEN THEY WANT TO COME AND TO USE THE FACILITY. AND IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES WANTED TO BRING PEOPLE UP HERE TO HIS DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS PLANO 1961. HE THOUGHT NOBODY KNOWS WHERE PLANO IS. WHY WOULD ANYBODY COME UP HERE? DALLAS NORTH ESTATES, OH, THEY'LL THINK I'M CLOSE TO DALLAS AND THIS WILL ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME. THE SECOND DESIGNATION CRITERIA IS ASSOCIATED WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE BROAD PATTERNS OF LOCAL, REGIONAL, STATE, OR NATIONAL HISTORY. ONE OF THE IMPORTNT THINGS ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL DESIGNATION AND ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL IS IT IS A SEGUE INTO THE PLANO THAT WE KNOW AND THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY. WE ARE A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, SUBURBAN CHARACTER. THIS IS WHERE THAT STARTED. BEFORE THIS TIME, IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH PLANO HISTORY, YOU HAVE TO BE A PART OF THIS LETTING FAMILIES. NOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN PLANO. WE ALL HAVE AMENITIES. SOME OF US HAVE TENNIS COURTS AND SWIMMING POOLS, NOTHING LIKE THIS BUT WE ALL HAVE THAT. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A DEVELOPMENT OF PLANO'S SUBURBAN HISTORY. SO THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT THERE. ALSO, ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DID OPEN IT UP TO INCLUDE MEMBERSHIP FROM NO MATTER WHO LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT. IT SERVED AS A POOL FOR PEOPLE IN PLANO UP UNTIL THE EARLY 1970S, BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A POOL UNTIL 1971. THE THIRD CRITERIA IS IDENTIFY WITH A PERSON WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE CULTURE OR THE DEVELMENT OF THE CITY. THE PERSON BEHIND THE IDEA OF A TEXAS-SHAPED SWIMMING POOL WAS HERBERT HUNT AND HE WAS THE SON OF H.L. HUNT. AND HE WAS A MAJOR LAND DEVELOPER, NOT ONLY FOR DALLAS NORTH ESTATES BUT FOR MUCH OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND THAT'S SOUTH OF PARK BOULEVARD/15th STREET CORRIDOR WEST OF U.S. HIGHWAY 75. WE GOT TO FIND THAT OUT IN OUR RESEARCH FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW CALLED THE TEXAS HISTORY PROJECT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO HE WAS VERY AIVE IN THAT. THIS IS HIS WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE UP HERE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND, FINALLY, A FOURTH CRITERIA. IT'S A UNIQUE LOCATION OF SINGULAR IMPORTANCE AN ESTABLISHED AND FAMILIAR VISUAL FEATURE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR THE CITY. IT'S USING THE SHAPE OF TEXAS. IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST EXAMPLES OF USING IT AS A MARKETING. THE SHAPE OF TEXAS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FROM DALLAS -- I'VE TRAVELED TO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND, OH, YOU'RE FROM DALLAS. HAVE YOU BEEN TO SOUTH FORK RANCH AND HAVE YOU SEEN J.R.? THAT'S OLD BUT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK. AND TEXAS IS POPULAR AROUND THERE. ALSO, THERE'S OTHER STATES AT THAT TIME STARTING TO HAVE POOLS. FLORIDA, ALABAMA, AND OKLAHOMA ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES AROUND THAT TIME. ALSO, THIS POOL WAS MENTIONED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES AND ALSO THE AMERICAN WAY MAGAZINE. IT'S FEATURED WITH DALLAS OBSERVER AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC KIDS. AND SO THIS IS A GREAT RESOURCE. IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE -- WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS POOL, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960s AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME TO IT TODAY, IT DEFINITELY REPRESENTS THAT 1960s FEEL OF THE ARCHITECTURE BUT YOU SEE YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY, TEENAGERS OR KIDS AND THEY'VE GOT THE 2020s HAIR AND SWIMSUITS AND STYLES BUT IT FITS ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE LANDMARK. >> THANK YOU, STEVE. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE. AS FAR AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICY HP-1 AND IS DESIGNATED AS A POTENTIAL HERITAGE LANDMARK IN THE PRESERVATION PLA 150 PLAN. IN THIS REQUEST IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICIES AS INDICATED BY THE GREEN CHECK MARKS AND THE YELLOW DOTS INDICATE EITHER NO CHANGE OR NOT APPLICABLE. WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND ONE RESPONSE OPPOSED WITHIN THE OFFICIAL 200-FOOT BUFFER. I WILL NOTE THAT IN ORDER TO TRIGGER A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE, 20% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN NEED TO BE IN OPPOSITION. THIS ONE DOES NOT TRIGGER THAT AS ONLY 0 0.01-ACRE WAS IN OPPOSITION. CITYWIDE, WE RECEIVED 69 UNIQUE RESPONSES IN TOTAL WITH 62 IN SUPPORT, THREE NEUTRAL, ND FOUR OPPOSED. WE RECEIVED SIX DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND SIX RESPONSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A TOTAL OF 75 RESPONSES. AND WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ZONING CASE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THIS FOR APPROVAL 7-0 AT THE APRIL 25th MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. SIMS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ALWAYS THOROUGH. APPRECIATE THAT. LOVE THE HISTORY THAT YOU BRING TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. LISLE. I GOT TO GO BACK TO M BOARD HERE. I'M GOING TO LET MR. LISLE GO FIRST AND THEN MR. CARY. >> Lisle: I'M CURIOUS, THE $228,000 THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED SO FAR IN FUNDING, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? >> THAT'S FROM THE HOTEL/MOTEL TAX FUND WHICH FUNDS THE HERITAGE PROGRAM. >> Houston: IT COMES FROM TAX DOLLARS FROM THE CITY OF PLANO? >> THE CITY'S HOTEL FUNDS, YES PAID FOR VISITORS TO PLANO THROUGH THE HOTEL TAX. >> YES, IT COMES FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR ARE NOT ONLY FOR THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION BUT ANY ORGANIZATION IN PLANO THAT HAS A HERITAGE SITE SUCH AS HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM OR THE URBAN MUSEUM. THEY HAVE A FACILITY TO HELP BRING PEOPLE TO PLANO. IT'S USED TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THEIR FUNDS IN RESTORING THIS BACK UP AGAIN. >> Lisle: DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY OR RECORDS ON PEOPLE VISITING THE CITY -- HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND THIS POOL AND HOW IS IT -- IS IT CITY OF PLANO PEOPLE OR IS IT ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT ARE VITING? >> YES, WE DO. ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE EVERY QUARTER. PART OF THAT IS THEY HAVE TO TAKE AND TELL US ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING THEIR POOL. HOW MANY WILL COME THERE. AND SOMETIMES THEY TELL US ABOUT WHERE THEY COME FROM AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS THAT LAST YEAR, IN 2022 IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, THAT WAS THEIR BUSIEST TIM THEY HAD AROUND 6200, 6300 VISITORS TO THE POOL. ALL TOGETHER THEY HAD 9200 IN THE YEAR 2022. AND MOST OF THE VISITORS, YES, THEY ARE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT THEY DO COME FROM ALL 50 STATES AND SOME OF THEM DO COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE HERE TO VISIT WITH FAMILY. >> Lisle: LAST QUESTION. SO THE CHAIRS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY NOW, IS THAT ALSO GOING TO COME FROM CITY OF PLANO TAX DOLLARS? >> YES, IT IS, IF THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED. IT'S GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. >> Lisle: THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> Chair Downs: SO I'D LIKE TO -- WELL, I'LL -- JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND USE, NOT THE TAX DOLLAR USE. FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT'S MAKING QUESTIONS AROUND THAT. COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO I'M CURIOUS, JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON HIM. WHAT IS THE USAGE TREND? IS IT FLAT USAGE? IS IT TRENDING UP OR BACK? WHAT DOES THAT SEEM LIKE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? IS IT GROWING? IS IT FLAT LINING IN TERMS OF USAGE? I THINK YOU MENTIONED 9200 VISITS? >> AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF VISITS ARE CONCERNED? >> Cary: YES. >> IT'S MORE. 2021 WAS NOT A GOOD TIME, OR 2020 FOR THE POOL. IN 2022 THEY REALLY HAD QUITE A RUNNING REBOUND AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY DO AFTER THAT. AND THEY ALSO HAD RATHER STRONG VISITORSHIP BACK IN 2018-2019. BUT 2022 BY FAR IS ONE OF THEIR BUSIEST YEARS. >> Cary: YOU MENTIONED MEMBERSHIP. MUST YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP OR IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? >> IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. MEMBERSHIP IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO COME THERE BUT YOU CAN COME AND SWIM IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A FEE. >> Cary: LIKE A USE FEE OR SOMETHING. SO AS I STAND AT THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY LOOKING AT IT, IT APPEARED TO ME THE DESIGNATION IS JUST AROUND THE POOL AND THERE APPEARS TO BE VACANT LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT. >> YES. >> Cary: SO MY QUESTION IS THIS: WHAT IS THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT AND WHY IS IT NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PROPOSAL HERE? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT HAPPENS TO BE A PART OF THE OVERLAND TRAIL PARK WITH THE CITY OF PLANO. AND SO IT'S PARKLAND. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A PART OF THAT SITE. BUT THE SITE IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE POOL ITSELF. >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU. JUST KIND OF A COMMENT, MAYBE A QUESTION. ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES WAS THE EFFECT THAT THIS PROPERTY'S HAVING ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> YES. >> Cary: SINCE THIS THING HAS BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS, MY GUESS IS IF YOU MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS THING IS THERE. I THINK IT'S A COOL POOL SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. MOVING IN ORDER. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES AND THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED THAT IT BECAME A DESTINATION. IT SAYS THE POOL WAS NOT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR EVERYONE. IT WAS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WAS THE INTENON AS A DESTINATION FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD OR WAS IT REALLY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN AMENITY JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? >> IT WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1961 AND IT WAS INTENDED TO SERVE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NORTH ESTATES. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT, THE POOL WAS JUST OPENED. PARTICULARLY IN THE 1980s, 1990s. COMMISSIONER CARY WAS TALKING ABOUT DROPPING OFF. DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT IS WHEN IT STARTED TO DROP OFF AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DECIDED TO START OPENING IT UP AND TRNG TO PROMOTET AND TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT EXISTS AND THAT IT'S HERE AND TO GET PEOPLE TO COME. SO IN THE 1990s THEY REALLY STARTED TO EXPAND THEIR EFFORTS TO MAKE IT KNOWN TO PEOPLE, HEY, YOU CAN COME HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND YOU CAN GO SWIMMING HERE. IT ALSO SEEMED TO OPEN UP MORE BEFORE 1971 WHEN THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A POOL AND THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD GO. THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON USING IT. THAT HELPED TOO BECAUSE IT'S A ESTES SUBDIVISION IS NOTH THAT BIG AND IT'S KIND OF BIG -- KIND OF A BIG THING TO TRY TO HAVE THAT TO SUPPORT IT. AND SO THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND IT TO GET MORE HELP WITH SUPPORT. AND NOW TODAY IT'S MORE MARKETED TOWARDS PEOPLE COMING TO PLANO. HEY, WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN PLANO, COME BY AND VISIT WITH US. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING SOME OF THEIR FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR TOO IS MARKETING, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL, PUTTING IT WITH THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS' BUREAU, THE HOTELS AROUND HERE AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COME. >> Bronsky: SO YOU MENTIONED 69 PEOPLE -- THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAD JUST PROVIDED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY. SO DO PEOPLE COME TO PLANO TO GO TO THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? IS THAT JUST SOMEPLACE THEY STOP AND VISIT WHILE THEY'RE HERE? >> I THINK MAYBE PEOPLE COME TOLANO PROBABLY TO VISIT FAMILY, IF THEY'RE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY OR IF THEY'RE OUT OF STATE THEY MIGHT COME THERE TO STAY. WE DON'T KNOW THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE COME TO PLANO BUT AS FAR AS THE TEXAS POOL ISúCONCERE PROMOTING THEMSELVES. IT IS AN ATTRACTION YOU CAN GO SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SEEK OUT WHEN YOU COME HERE. I WOULD THINK MAYBE HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE YOU WOULD WANT TO SEEK OUT LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS EVERYWHERE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR THAT. >> Bronsky: THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. APPRECIATE IT. >> Chair Downs: WE STILL HAVE AN APPLICANT TO DO A PRESENTATION TOO SO SOME INFORMATION MAY COME OUT OF THAT. LET'S KEEP IN MIND WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A HERITAGE. IT'S NOT WHETHER WE'RE APPROVING THE POOL. WE'RE JUST ADDING A LAYER OF DESIGNATION ON IT, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL HELP THEM GET FUNDS IN FROM OTHER SOURCES THAN JUST SIMPLY THE CITY OF PLANO. ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT ONLY STAFF CAN ANSWER? MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, STEVE. CHAIRMAN. STEVE, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE POOL BUT I KNOW THERE'S A STRUCTURE OUT THERE AS WELL. IS THERE ANY CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL VALUE TO IT AND AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS CONCERNED? >> YES, IT'S LIKE I SAY, IT WAS RESTORED BACK IN -- THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE RESTORATION SINCE 2018-2019 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE IS TO PUT THE POOL BACK AND ALSO TO PUT IN SOME NEW PAVERS. AND THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE POOL SO IT DOES DATE BACK TO THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT. ALSO, ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE TO IT. IT USED TO HAVE -- AND IT'S BEEN RESTORED TODAY -- LITTLE TILES THAT HAVE NAMES OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE POOL AND YOU SWIM, YOU SAY WHERE'S DALLAS OR WHERE IS EL PASO OR WHERE IS HOUSTON? AND THAT'S RESTORIN IT BACK TO WHAT IT USED TO BE. JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF WHERE YOU GO TO CHANGE YOUR CLOTHES, IF YOU CHANGE THERE, A AO THEIR PUMPHOUSE. ALL OF THAT IS STILL A PART OF THAT SITE. >> Ratliff: SO DOES THAT BUILDING HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR IS IT JUST A PERIOD -- >> IT IS JUST THE PERIOD WHEN THAT POOL WAS CONSTRUCTED. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE CITYWIDE STANDARDS ON HISTORICAL-DESIGNATED SITES. ARE THEY OWNED BY THE CITY OR ARE THEY OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS? >> I'M SORRY. WHAT DID YOU ASK AGAIN? >> Tong: SO WE'RE MAKING A DESIGNATION ON THIS SITE. >> YES. >> Tong: AND FOR OTHER HERITAGE HISTORICAL-DESIGNATED SITES, ARE THEY OWNED BY THE CITY OR BY INDIVIDUALS, LIKE JUST A REGULAR CITIZEN? ARE THEY PRIVATELY OWNED OR THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY? >> THEY HAVE THE FOUNDATION, THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION. THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A PRIVATE -- IN FACT, IT HAS A BOARD THAT TAKES CARE OF IT. YET, THEY ARE A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO RECEIVE GRANTS. >> I'LL ADD THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE PRIVATELY-OWNED PROPERTIES. >> Tong: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> MOST DESIGNATIONS ARE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. SPECIFIC TO -- >> Olley: SPECIFIC TO STAFF. JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION. MORE PROCEDURAL. FOR ANY REASON THIS DOESN'T PASS AND THEY DON'T GET A DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS? >> ONCET RECVES ITS DESIGNATION, THEN -- >> Olley: IF IT DOESN'T RECEIVE THE DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS? >> IF IT DID NOT? >> Olley: YES. >> IF IT DID NOT RECEIVE ITS DESIGNATION, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SEATING PROJECT. >> IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING CASE, IF IT'S DENIED, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. >> [OFF MIC] >> Olley: HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE FUNDS OR WHAT? >> NO, ESSENTIALLY THE PROPERTY IS NOT DESIGNATED AT THAT POINT SO NONE OF THE EXTERIOR WORK IS SUBJECT TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO WITHOUT APPROVALS FROM THE CITY. THE GRANT FUNDING ITSELF IS TIED TO THEM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT ACTUALLY RECEIVING THE DESIGNATION, SO THE FUNDING COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: YES, FOR THE STAFF. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A HERITAGE BOARD THAT OPERATES UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. WE DO HAVE A HERITAGE COMMISSION. >> Brounoff: HERITAE COMMISSION. HAVE THEY CONSIDERED THIS MATTER IN SOME DETAIL? >> YES, THEY HAVE. THAT WAS THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE WENT TO, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION. AND THEY LOOKED AT THE LOCAL DESIGNATION. THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD. >> Brounoff: SO WHAT IS THERE LEFT FOR US TO DO WITHOUT REVISITING THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION? >> THE WORK HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT TO DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER THIS LOCAL DESIGNATION SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT, BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING. IT IS A ZONING AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IT SHOULD RECEIVE ITS HERITAGE DESIGNATION ZONING. >> Brounoff: DOES THAT DEPEND IN GREAT PART WHETHER THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? >> THE ORDINANCE HAS OUTLINED THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION. IT MEETS FOUR OF THOSE CRITERIA. IT HAS TO MEET TWO. THE P&Z IS TASKED TO DO DOES IT MEET THAT CRITERIA, YES OR NO. >> Brounoff: I THINK THE HERITAGE COMMISSION HAS DONE ITS JOB AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE YOUR JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: I'M AFRAID TO ASK. I SEE NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SORRY THAT TOOK A WHILE. DECENT QUESTIONS BUT -- SO NOW NO MORE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK WE HAVE AN APPLICANT. >> WE DO. WE HAVE JAMES GOLDSMITH FRO THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MR. GOLDSMITH. NAME ADDRESS. >> JAMES GOLDSMITH. 2804 BISCAIN DRIVE IN PLANO TEXAS IN THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES. DO I GO NOW? >> Chair Downs: YEAH. >> ONCE AGAIN, I'M JAMES GOLDSMITH. I'M THE HISTORIAN FOR THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION. I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF RUN THROUGH. STEVE'S ALREADY TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO DISCUSS BRIEFLY. HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB. TEXAS POOL OBVIOUSLY -- >> I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB. [LAUGHTER] >> Chair Downs: LOOKING UP THE TEXAS POOL. SORRY. GO AHEAD. [LAUGHTER] >> TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY BUILT IN 1961. PART OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES BY THE HUNT FAMILY. HUNT FAMILY ACTUALLY SOLD THE TEXAS POOL TO THE DALLAS NORTH COMMUNITY CLUB IN 1962 FOR THE WHOPPING SUM OF ONE DOLLAR. THE POOL THEN OPERATED FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 40 YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY THERE BECAUSE NO ONE WAS KEEPING TRACK OF THESE ITEMS BACK THEN. BUT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES OF THE POOL ARE STILL IN PLACE. THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED, AS STEVE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE HERITAGE GRANT. THEY'VE REALLY BEEN IMPROVED UPON AND UPGRADED BUT THEY STILL MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC FLAVOR OF THE POOL. 2007 A MURAL WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL PUMP HOUSE. 2013 WAS A BIG YEAR. THAT'S WHEN THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION WAS FOUNDED. THE POOL FOUNDATION'S MISSION WAS TO PRESERVE THE TEXAS POOL AS A LANDMARK, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUTREACH AND EVENTS, AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO SWIM SAFETY, LESSONS, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND THIS IS ALSO WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MEMBERSHIP, AS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY, A MEMBERSHIP. BUT IT'S ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR VERY REASONABLE DAY RATES AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT -- IN MY OPINION, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE CAN ATTEND AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE TEXAS POOL. THROUGHOUT THE 2010s AND '20s THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF REPAIRS AND UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE. ONCE AGAIN, STRICTLY VOLUNTEERS AT THE TEXAS POOL. SO A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN DONE BY VOLUNTEER AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE GRANT FOUNDATION. THEY REFINISHED THE FLO OF THE PL. THEY'VE UPGRADED THE PLUMBING, DONE VARIOUS MAINTENANCE, MARKETING. AND A LOT OF THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH THE HERITAGE GRANT. TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY, AS TOUCHED ON EARLIER, WAS THE EARLIEST-KNOWN POOL SHAPED LIKE TEXAS. ALL THE ORIGINL STRUCTURES ARE STILL PRESENT AND OPERATIONAL. THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL CHANGES TO THE TEXAS POOL OVER THE YEARS. PLANO CONSERVANCY, THEY INSTALLED A HISTORIL MARKER IN 2017. AND THE TEXAS POOL WAS OFFICIALLY ADDED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019. AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I'M A SIXTH GENERATION TEXAN. I HAVE LIVED IN PLANO FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. WHEN I DISCOVERED THE TEXAS POOL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST AN AMAZING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO OTHERS ABOUT IT AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS HERITAGE DESIGNATION IS JUST AN IMPORTANT WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL IS GOING TO BE HER INTO PERPETUITY. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. OLLEY. >> Olley: I'LL ADMIT TO BE A LITTLE AMBIVALENT ABOUT THE DESIGNATION. I'M READING THE DEFINITION OF THE DESIGNATION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE AREAS, PLACES BUILDINGS STRUCTURES WORKS OF ARTS, AND OTHER JECTS HAVING SIGNIFICANT ARCHAEOLOGY INFLUENCES WHICH REFLECT THE HERITAGE OF THE CITY OF PLANO. I WENT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE LOOKING INTO WHAT HAS HAD THE DESIGNATION SO FAR AND THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, I THINK OF THE DAVIS CEMETERY, S.B. WYATT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT ALMOST ARE FOOTNOTES IN THE HISTORY OF PLANO. I WOULD ALMOST ARGUE THAT THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES IS MORE OF Y OF PLANO BECOMING SUBURBAN THAN THIS POOL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FALLS INTO THOSE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PARTICULAR TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO. THE POOL ITSELF. >> PARTICULAR TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY THAT UNTIL 1971 THIS WAS ONE OF THE FEW POOLS WITHIN PUBLIC POOL WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO. IT'S AN IORTANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW AS A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATE, I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE TEXAS POOL AND IT EXISTING THERE. I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS A GREATER -- AS PLANO ITSELF IS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE. >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION IN TERMS OF THAT BUT I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE IF IT'S NOT APPROVED THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM CHANGING THIS THING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, WHICH CAN WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T. AND SO TODAY WE LOOK AT IT AND THINK MAY BE A LITTLE AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT. FAST FORWARD 50 YEARS. NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S 120 YEARS OLD BUT MAINTAINED IN THE SAME CONDITION, THE VALUE OF IT. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO BY AWARDING THIS DESIGNATION IS MAINTAIN THIS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. MR. RATLIFF, YOU WERE NEXT. >> Ratliff: YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I WAS GOING TO APPLAUD Y'ALL BECAUSE I KNOW GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THESE DESIGNATIONS IS AN EFFORT BUT IT'S ALSO A COMMITMENT. I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR MAKING THAT COMMITMENT. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT YOU WANT US TO HELP YOU MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY FOREVER. THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH HURDLE. I APPLAUD YOU FOR GETTING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN EASY TASK. YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO HELP YOU PRESERVE IT, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING UP AND ASKING TO HELP TIE YOUR HANDS A LITTLE BIT. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: NEXT WAS COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, GOSH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER OLLEY'S POINT BUT NOT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SIX GENERATION TEXANS SO WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, DEPENDING HOW LONG WE HAVE LIVED IN TEXAS. I THINK THIS DOES DESERVE THE DESIGNATION. IT'S THE FIRST POOL SHAPED LIKE TEXAS IN TEXAS, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW. AS I READHE MATERIAL, POSSIBLY WITHOUT THE POOL THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING BECAUSE WITHOUT THE POOL IT'S JUST ONE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE EXISTED. BECAUSE BACK THEN THE HUNTS FELT THAT THE POOL WAS NECESSARY TO GET THE ATTENTION. HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT, IN MY OPINION. AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THE HERITAGE COMMISSION HAS VOTED 7-0 AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS AND PROBABLY ARE MORE QUALIFIED THAN ME. I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR ME, NO ONE ELSE, TO MAKE THIS DECISION. IHINK THE POOL IS REALLY GREAT, PERSONALLY SO I APPLAUD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, PERSONALLY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: REGARDING THE FUTURE OPERATION OF THE SITE, AFTER THE DESIGNATION IS RECEIVED, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON OPERATING? I HEARD A MEMBERSHIP. IS THAT GOING TO BE PLANO RESIDENTS ONLY? I KNOW OUR PUBLIC POOLS ARE DIFFERENT RATES BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS, IF THEY'RE FROM OUT OF STATE. IS THERE A PUBLIC ADMISSION THEY HAVE TO PAY? WHAT KIND OF PLAN DO YOU HAVE ON KIND OF THE MOVING FORWARD OF ACCESSING THE POOL? >> I AM JUST THE HISTORIAN AT THE TEXAS POOL SO I MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK ON THAT BUT I KNOW THAT MEMBERSHIP IS ENCOURAGED THROUGHOUT AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE POOL ARE PROBABLY LOCAL TO EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT LEAST PLANO. I WOULD ASSE THAT MOST OF OUR KIND OF DAY PASSES THAT ARE PURCHASED ARE PROBABLY PURCHASED BY FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OF PLANO, THROUGHOUT THE STATE. ANY VISITORS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE IN PLANO AT THE TIME. SO I KNOW WE ENCOURAGE MEMBERSHIPS, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A RECURRING -- IT REALLY HELPS WITH THE OPERATION OF THE POOL. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: VERY GOOD. I OPEC HEARING. THANK YOU, SIR. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> SORRY. >> Chair Downs: MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. ACCORDING TO MATERIALS WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, THE NORTH DALLAS ESTATES WAS THE FIRST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO WEST OF U.S. 75, THE CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. THINK IT WAS THE HALLMARK OF THE BEGINNING OF PLANO'S EXPANSION FROM THE SMALL LITTLE FARMING COMMUNITY, KIND OF AN AFTER THOUGHT TO THE CITY IT HAS BECOME TODAY. IT WAS THE FIRST INSTANCE OF THE WESTWARD EXPANSION THAT HAS CHARACTERIZED PLANO HISTORICALLY, SO I THINK THIS DOES HAVE HISTORIC VALUE AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. >> Chair Downs: MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: I'M PROUD TO SECOND THAT MOTION. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING FORWARD TO PRESERVE ONE OF OUR RESOURCES AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING DOWN HERE. I SECOND IT. >> Chair Downs: JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID YOU -- YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE -- >> Brounoff: I MOVE THAT NING CASE 2022-020 BE APPROVED FOR HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. >> Chair Downs: DISCUSSION? SOMEBODY ELSE -- MR. OLLEY? >> Olley: JUST TO PUT SOME WORDING AROUND MY AMBIVALENCE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF THAT THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES WAS KIND OF THAT MARKER FOR THAT WESTWARD EXPANSION. AND GIVEN THAT THE POOL, AND MOST LIKELY FROM RESEARCH, WAS A REACTION TO A DESEGREGATION MOVEMENT AROUND THAT TIME, MY AMBIVALENCE AROUND IT IS DO WE MARK IT HISTORICAL. THAT BEING SAID, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION IS MUCH CLOSER TO THIS THAN I AM. IT IS UNDER THE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES FOR A REASON. JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE LIGHTS SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WITH A SEND BY COMMIIONERATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 1. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 7-0 WITH ONE ABSTENTION BY MR. OLLEY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NO. 2. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: CREST CADILLAC ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 3R - MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR AND NEW VEHICLE DEALER ON ONE LOT ON 1.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF U.S. HIGHWAY 75, 870 FEET SOUTH OF LEXINGTON DRIVE. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT: DELYNN A. DAVIDSON. THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN -- THANK YOU. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON úTHIS? >> THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> Bronsky: I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED. >> I'LL SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF TO APPROVE ITEM 2 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 7-1. YOU PHED THE WRONG BUTTON. SO QUICK HAND VOTE. YES. THAT CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 8-0. I WAS THINKING, BOY, MR. OLLEY IS REALLY HAVING AN OFF NIGHT TONIGHT. ONE ABSTENTION AND ONE NO. [LAUGHTER] ITEM 3, PLEASE. LOW BLOOD SUGAR. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: COLLIN CREEK SINGLE FAMILY, BLOCKS A-L AND COLLIN CREEK, BLOCK M, LOT 1 - 402 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE LOTS, 25 COMMON AREA LOTS, AND VACANT LOT ON 100.0 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE, 548 FEET NORTH OF PLANO PARKWAY. ZONED URBAN MIXE APPLICANT: VM FUND I, LLC AND MM CCM 48M, LLC. THIS IS FOR AD. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAHA POULADI, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I JUST WANT TO SAY IT WAS DRIVING UP ALMA IS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THOSE STREET SIGNS GOING UP AND ALL OF THESE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES GOING IN. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK KEEPING THIS ON TRACK AND MOVING FORWARD. >> Chair Downs: MR. LISLE. SPEAKER. >> Lisle: I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MY NO BUTTON. [LAUGHTER] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> Lisle: QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS DOESN'T CREATE ANY MORE HOUSING, IT'S JUST REWORKING THE HOUSING ON THE SITE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> Lisle: AND THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THIS IN THE EHA? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. SORRY. >> Lisle: OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. QUESTIONOR NOWHIS ISN'T A WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADMINISTRATIVE -- ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IS -- >> Chair Downs: JUST FOR PURPOSES. JUST FOR ANYONE LISTENING, LEGISLATIVE MEANS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES AND ADD REQUIREMENTS. ADMINISTRATIVE MEANS IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO DO IT. >> Lisle: THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO COMMISSION. . BRONSK-- MR. RATLIFF HAS SOMETHING. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE HOMES GOING IN SO I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRONSKY AND A SECOND BY MR. RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 3. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. MR. RATLIFF, I THINK YOU SHOULD REACH OVER THERE AND COVER HIS SPEAKER BUTTON. OKAY. ITEM 4. AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: BOB WOODRUFF PARK ADDITION, BLOCK B, LOTS 1R AND 2 - PARK/PLAYGROUND ON TWO LOTS ON 112.8 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PARK BOULEVARD AND SHILOH ROAD. ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-6, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-9, AND AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: CI OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTR. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR PROVAL SUBJECTO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> Chair Downs: MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST A CURIOSITY WHY WE'RE PLATTING A PARK INTO TWO LOTS. >> I BELIEVE IT'S FOR TO PUT THE DOG PARK ON ONE OF THE LOTS AND THEN TO KEEP THE -- I BELIEVE IT'S THE NORTHWEST SIDE AS ITS OWN -- >> Ratliff: IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL PARKLAND. I DON'T MIND. I'M JUST CURIOUS. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS ON THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOG PARK? >> YES. AS SOON AS THIS GETS APPROVED AND THEN THEIR PLANS ARE RELEASED FROM ENGINEERING, THEY CAN START THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE DOG PARK, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE SHADE STRUCTURES. >> Ratliff: AWESOME. THEY HAVE BEEN NEEDED OUT THERE A LONG TIME. I GO OUT THERE A LOT. THANK YOU. >> SORRY. I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION. SO WHEN WE HAVE A LOT, THERE'S ALWAYS A SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IF THEY HAPPEN TO CHANGE SOMETHING ON THAT SITE, THEY NEED TO BRING THE ENTIRE LOT FORWARD AND IT WILL BE A BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS' MONEY. SO WE DECIDED TO BREAK IT UP SO IT WOULD BE EASIER AND MINDFUL OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY AS WELL. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. >> Chair Downs: OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY BUT MR. BRONSKY? >> Olley: I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 4 SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN APPROVED AS SUBMITTED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> Chair Downs: VERY WELL. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SOME NEW PLAYERS INVOLVED. COMMISSIONER OLLEY GIVES US A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 4 AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TONG. THAT IM CARRIES 8-0. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. DISCUSSION AND ACTION - SITE PLAN: TURNPIKE COMMONS ADDITION, BLOCK 3, LOT 4 - RETAIL AND RESTAANT WI DRIVE-THROUGON ONE LOT ON 2. ACRES LOTED THEORTHIDE OF RENNER ROAD, 240 FEET EAST OF WYNGATE BOULEVARD. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-207- RETAIL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: PLANO RENNER RETAIL, LLC. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERA. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS KATYA COPELAND, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN DUE TO THE ENHANCED AESTHETICS A LIVINGE RATHER THAN INSTALLING A MASONRY SCREENING WALL. THE PLAN REQUIRES THE REAR AND SERVICE SIDE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO BE SCREENED . PROVIDED IN ARTICLE 20 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN IN LIEU OF MASONRY SCREENING WALL. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PLANT 50 HOLLY TREES ALONG THE 300-FOOT REAR AND SERVICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY ARE IDEAL FOR WARM CLIMATES . THEY CAN STAY GREEN YEAR ROUND AND HAVE A MATURE HEIGHT OF 12 TO 20 FEET. THERE'S ALSO A 380-FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE PROPOSED IRRIGATED LIVING SCREENING TO THE YEAR OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED AT FRONT TREASURE DRIVING. ADDING LOT 5 JUST NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS PLANS TO KEEP THE 10 CEDAR ELM TREES ALONG WYNVIEW DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FINDING THAT A LIVING SCREEN WITH PLANT MATERIALS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING AND GRANTING A WAIVER TO THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: SO I KNOW JUST RECENTLY WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO REPLACE LIVING SCREENS ALONG CUSTER ROAD JUST NORTH OF PARKER TO SPRING CREEK. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE REASONING THAT WE GO TO TO ALLOW THE LIVING SCREENS AS OPPOSED TO THE MASONRY SCREENS OR THE PERMANENT SCREENS. AND THEN THE LONG-TERM EFFECT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ON RESIDENTS IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REPLACE THAT LATER AT THE CITY'S EXPENSE. >> LET ME ELABORATE ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING TT UP. THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT WAS USED FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE HAPPENS TO BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO FREEZE DAMAGE AND IN THE LONG TERM IT DOESN'T DO GOOD. BUT THE HOLLIES ARE ONE OF THE BEST PLANT SPECIES THAT CAN PROVIDE FULL TO THE GROUND SCREENING AND IN FACT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE VERY TOLERANT TO THIS CLIMATE AND THEY SURVIVE WELL. >> Broky: SO YOU'RE SING YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUBJECT THE CITIZENS TO HAVING TO REPLACE THAT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE AT THE TAXPAYER EXPENSE? >> NOT WITH THE PLANT SPECIES. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: I KIND OF HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN AS WHAT COMMISSIONER BRONSKY HAD. I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS TYPE OF SPECIES OR THIS TYPE OF PLANT. BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT WHAT IF IT HAPPENS? WHAT IF THESE PLA? WHAT IF WE'RE ON A DROUGHT A COUPLE OF YEARS? THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WHERE WE RESTRICTED WATER USE. IF THEY DIE, IF THEY FAIL, WHO IS GOING TO PAY TO RESTORE THEM? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THAT WALL? >> THE WALL OR THE SCREEN OR BOTH? >> Tong: BOTH. >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REPLACING, INSTALLING THE IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN FOR THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL. >> Tong: SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A CITY RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THE WALL AT ALL? >> THIS WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I HAVE TO ASK THIS. DOES THE STEVENS HOLLY SPREE PROVIDE LOWER BRANCHES THAT WOULD PROVIDE SCREENING FROM THE GROUND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP? >> YES. >> Brounoff: OKAY. THANK YOU. EVEN WHEN THE TREE IS MATURE? >>ES. >> Brounoff: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THIS IS 8207. WHAT WAS IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE REST OF THIS PROPERTY BETWEEN THE SCREEN AND THE RESIDENTIAL, DO YOU RECALL? >> I DO NOT RECALL. >> Ratliff: IS IT RESIDENTIAL, OR IS IT ANOTHER NONRESIDENTIAL USE, DO WE KNOW? >> ALONG WINDVIEW DRIVE? >> Ratliff: BETWEEN WINDVIEW AND THIS TRACT. >> THERE IS AN ASSEMBLY HALL BEING PROPOSED. AND IT WAS WITHIN TRACT ONE, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED FOR RETAIL. >> Ratliff: SO IT'S A NONRESIDENTIAL USE THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THIS SCREEN, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT, THE PARKING LOT IS TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE, BETWEEN WINDVIEW AND WINDGATE. AND THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN IS PROPOSED AND THE BUILDING ITSELF . >> Ratliff: WHILE TECHNICALLY THIS IS WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY BUFFER. THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER STRUCTURE, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THIS DRIVE, OR BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL, WITH A COMMON INTERIOR DRIVE. IS THAT WHAT I'LL UNDERSTANDING? >> THE MAJORITY OF PARKING LOT WILL BE BETWEEN WINVIEW AND THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE. AND AS STATED, THERE IS ABOUT 380 FEET FROM THE REAR OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSES TO G SCREEN. AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT 380 FEET IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR THE ASSEMBLY HALL. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THAT HELPS ME. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOMEBODY HERE BETTER THAN ME TO ASK THIS. I USED THESE AT MY HOUSE -- NELLY LISLES. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A NEW PLANT. >> Cary: HE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON THAT. THEY'RE FANTASTIC SCREENS. THEY CAN GROW PRETTY HIGH. WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN OF THESE? ALL PLANTS DO HAVE A LIFESPAN. DO WE KNOW THAT? >> CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT QUESTION PLEASE? >> ON AVERAGE, THIS WILL LAST MORE THAN 50 YEARS, ON AVERAGE. >> SURE. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE USE HERE? I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF TIMES WE PUT A LIVING SCREEN OR SOMETHING TO PROTECT ONE USE FROM A SENSITIVE LAND USE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THE RESIDENTIAL IS 380 FEET AWAY? >> YES. HOWEVER, THE REAR AND SERVICE SIDE IS STILL FACING THEM. AND SO PER THE PD REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SCREEN, MASONRY SCREENING WALL IS REQUIRED. HOWEVER, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IN THE ORDINANCE IT TALKS ABOUT AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN BEING ABLE TO BE PROPOSED AND VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION. >> WHAT IS THE LAND USE HERE THAT'S REQUIRING THE SCREENING? >> THE RETAIL AND SERVICE SIDE IS FACING T RESIDENTIAL, SO THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS A RETAIL AND RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. SO THIS WILL HAVE THE BACKDOORS, MAYBE WHERE TRUCKS DROP OFF THEIR PRODUCTS AND SO WE'D LIKE FOR THAT TO BE SCREENED FROM THE RESIDENTS. >> Chair Downs: GOOD. >> Interprete >> SEEMS LIKE A LONG -- >> Chair Downs: WHAT'VE THE PROPERTY IS, RESIDENTIAL OR RETAIL. IF IT'S RETAIL, YOU HAVE CLIENTS WALKING IN BUT YOU'RE FACING A LOADING DOCK. >> Lisle: IS THERE NO SCREEN ALREADY BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL? >> Chair Downs: THERE'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THIS AND THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE -- >> Lisle: ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE? >> Chair Downs: YES, IN THIS CASE RETAIL. >> Lisle: WHY WOULD WE NEED TO SCREEN A DRIVE-THROUGH FROM RETAIL? >> Chair Downs: IT WAS WHAT WAS DESIGNED IN THE PD ORIGINALLY. >> Lisle: I'M WONDERING IF IT'S NEEDED. >> Chair Downs: GO AHEAD. >> I THINK IT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE -- IT'S THE ZONING THAT'S AGREED TO. SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: SO THAT BROUGHT UP ANOTHER QUESTION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF REQUEST. DO WE NEED TO GET PERMISSIONS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS, OR DO WE NEED TO DO -- JUST LIKE OTHER ZONING CASES, WE NEED TO ASK IF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE ANY RESPONSES TO THIS CHANGE? >> THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE A NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND HAVE YOU VOTE ON IT, IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE TO HAVE THE PROPOSED BE ACCEPTED FOR AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN, OR IF THEY NEED TO CONSTRUCT A MASONRY SCREENING WALL INSTEAD. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PD STIPULATIONS REQUIRES A SCREEN OF SOME KIND. >> Chair Downs: YES. >> Olley: WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO ESSENTIALLY WAIVE THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT TO SUBSTITUTE FOR A LIVING SCREEN. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S CORRECT. THE PD LANGUAGE ALLOWED FOR THEM TO DO IT. THE REQUIREMENT WAS THAT THEY COME BACK TO US FOR THAT REQUEST. BUT THE PD DEFINITELY REQUIRED THE WALL AND IT SAID MASONRY. THEY HAD AN OPTION. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS. THEY COULD HAVE JUST BUILT THE MASONRY WALL. BUT THEY SAID CAN WE PUT A LIVING SCREEN UP THAT LOOKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. THETHEY'RE ASKING OUR PERMISSIO. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT -- >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THERE'S DIFFERENT QUESTIONS FOR THEM. >> Chair Downs: DOES N ANYONE WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. I THINK THE REQUIRED SCREENING WALL IS PART OF THE ZONING ORDIN. >> Chair Downs: OH, SORRY. THAT'S CORRECT. THE PD WAS DESIGNED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE YES. >> ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, I DON'T SEE ANY SCREENING WALL PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING CHANGE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I PREFER THIS. A LOT OF PROJECTS I WORK ON, I THINK IT'S A SOFTER LOOK. IT'S EASIER MAINTENANCE. IT DOESN'T FALL DOWN OVER TIME. IT'S JUST AN OVERALL BETTER LOOK. SOITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO MOVE WE APPROVE THE LIVING SCREEN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MASONRY SCREEN REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. RATLIFF, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE THE LIVING SCREEN. PERSONALLY -- OKAY. MR. LISLE. SPEAKER. >> Lisle: IF THERE'S NO WAY TO JUST WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT COMPLETELY, THEN OKAY. BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WHEN CERTAIN SITUATIONS EXIST, THAT I THINK WE CAN WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT. AND I JUST DON'T SEE -- I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BLOCKING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING. THERE'S ALREADY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING COMMERCIAL BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL. AND IN THEIR LETTER THEY'VE THEE SAYING IT'S 400 AND SOMETHING FEET AWAY. THIS IS NO SMALL REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE PLACING ON THESE PEOPLE AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE' BLOCKING SOMETHING FOR A REASON. >> Chair Downs: IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. IT WAS SOMETHING THEY AGREED TO WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY GOT THE PLAN APPROVED. WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SOMETHING ADDITIONAL FROM THEM. THEY'RE SAYING WE WOULD RATHER DO A LIVING SCREEN THAN A MASONRY WALL. IT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A PATH WE CAN GO DOWN AT THIS POINT. >> Lisle: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY, YOU'RE NEXT. >> Olley: I WANTED TO SAY A QUICK GOOGLE ESSE SEARCH, IT'S SD YEARS, NOT FIFTY. >> Chair Downs: YOURS DIDN'T POP UP AND SAY I CAN'T FIND THAT INFORMATION. [ LAUGHING ] >> TO WHOEVER'S POINT IT WAS THAT THESE MAY DIE, THIS GROUP DOESN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. [ LAUGHING ] >> Chair Downs: THAT'S CORRECT. >> I'M GOING TO SECOND. >> AT LEAST MOST OF US. >> Chair Downs: WE'VE ALREADY -- >> OH. >> Chair Downs: BRING IT ALL BACK CENTER. I DO KNOW THAT I HAD HOLLIES AROUND MY HOUSE WHEN WE MOVED IN. WE DUG THEM UP. I SPENT THE NEXT TEN YEARS TRYING TO GET RID OF THEM. THEY'RE HARDY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST, ITEM 5. PLEASE VOTE. MR. BRONSKY. THAT CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 6. >> AGENDA ITEM 6, DISCUSSION AND ACTION: PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS & OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN UPDATE - DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION PERTAINING TO AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH AN ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS & OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN. APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERING. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M MIRIAM, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO PRESENT A DETAILED BRIEFING OF CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON PL MAP AMENDMENTS SCHEDULEDSIVE FOR JUNE 19TH. THE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON THE UPDATE OF CITY'S PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARK AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS DOCUMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHING GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IDENTIFIES NEEDS RELATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES. THE LAST MOR UPDATE WA ADOPTED IN 2018. AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HALF ASSOCIATES IN EARLY 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WITH ITS CURRENTLY ONGOING UPDATE. ACTION ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANS PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE UPDATE WILL INCLUDE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL DRAFTS THAT ARE SHOWN INCLUDE THE LOCATION AND DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THE DRAFT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OUTLINES THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK CATEGORY. AND AS PROPOSED, THERE ARE TWO MAJOR CHANGES AS PART OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE. ADDITION OF W PARKS, WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO OPEN SPACE NETWORK, AND ADJUSTED BOUNDARIES OF EXISTING PARKS, WHICH ALSO CHANGE THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK CATEGORY BOUNDARIES, RESPECTIVELY. WHERE NEW PARKS ARE PROPOSED, THE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE CATEGORY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE NEGLIGIBLE AND WILL HAVE MINOR IMPACTS ON THE LAND USE MIX. STAFF FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CONSULTANT, HALF ASSOCIATES, ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO BRIEF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO THE PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE OF THIS PROJECT. ON APRIL 3RD WE HAVE REQUESTED A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL AND INTO EARLY MAY, THE DRAFT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT. THOSE COMMENTS WERE INCORPORATED AND A FINAL DRAFT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THIS TIME. THIS EVENING WE ARE PRESENTING A DETAILED BRIEFING OF CHANGES TO THE PARKS A RECREATION MASTER PLAN. A P&Z PUBLIC HEARING IS ANTICIPATED FOR JUNE 19TH, FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 24TH. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION. KENDYL HOWARD IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW ON UPDATE TO THE MAP, AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO KENDALL. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. AGAIN, MY NAME IS KENDALL WITH HALF ASSOCIATES. I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE GREAT CITY OF PLANO PARKS AND REC STAFF. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD HERE TONIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN. I WANT TO TELL THEY WILL THANK U FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. SO, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS LAST AN AS MIRIA MENTIONED, THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE WAS IN 2018. THIS SERVES AS A FIVE-YEAR UPDATE TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF PARKS, TRAILS, AND RECREATION FACILITIES. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE TWO CORE MAPS OF THE PARKS SYSTEM MASTER PLAN THAT WE WANT TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED CHANGES WITH YOU TONIGHT ARE THE PARK MASTER PLAN MAP, AND THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. SO JUST SOME REMINDERS ABOUT THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN -- THE SYSTEM PLAN TAKES A DEEP DIVE LOOK AT EXISTING AND FUTURE NEEDS FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, ATHLETIC FIELDS, TRAILS AND BIKEWAYS AND INDOOR RECREATION AND AQUATICS. AND SO THE FIRST SYSTEMWIDE PARK MASTER PLAN FOR PLANO WAS DONE BACK IN THE 1970s. IT HAS BEEN UPDATED EVERY FEW YEARS SINCE THEN. THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT A FUNDING DOCUMENT. RATHER, IT IDENTIFIES THE PRIORITIES THAT -- AND GUIDANCE THAT WILL LATER BE FUNDED THROUGH VOTER-APPROVED BOND AUTHORITY INITIATIVES AND THE ANNUAL CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO THE MAIN PURPOSE IS TO SEEK COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT, ESTABLISH GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IDENTIFY NEEDS. A NEW PLAN IS ALSO REQUIRED FOR ACCREDITATION PURPOSES THROUGH THE COMMISSION FOR ACCREDITATION OF RECREATION AND PARKS AGENCIES, OF WHICH THE CITY OF PLANO HAS BEEN ACCREDITED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND ALSO TO BE ELIGIBLEOR RTAIN GNT FUNDING PROGRAMS. SO, FOR THIS PLAN UPDATE, WE DID A VARIETY OF OUTREACH EFFORTS. WE HAD A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT TO A RANDOM SAMPLING OF RESIDENTS IN PLANO. WE NEEDED 400 RESPONDENTS TO BE STATISTICALLY VALID AND WE RECEIVED OVER 500 RESPONSES THROUGH THAT METHOD. WE ALSO HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS AVAILABLE COMMUNITY-WIDE. WE GOT AN ADDITIONAL 100 RESPONSE FROM THE THAT METHOD. WE HAD TWO SERIES OF VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT ROOMS. PEOPLE COULD VISIT AN ENGAGEMENT ROOM ONLINE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. SO OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE TWO ROOMS, WE HAD OVER 200 VISITORS THAT WAY. WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH THE PARK BOARD EXTENSIVELY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WITH FIVE TOTAL MEETINGS AND THEY DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PARK MASTER PLAN UP-TATE AT THEIR MAY 2ND MEETING. AND THE ADVERTISING ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WERE ALSO ADVERTISED AT THE RECENT PARKS AND REC TOWN HALL MEETING, AS WELL AS THE EARTH DAY MEMBER FAIR. IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING EFFORTS AND NOTIFICATIONS, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE LOGOS THERE OF THE VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS THAT THE PARK STAFF DID A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT. ANECDOTALLY, I'M A RES RESIDENF PLANO. I GOT LOTS OF EMAILS AND NEWS NEW NEWSLETTERS, SO THERE ARE OUTLETS FOR PEOE TO GET INVOLVED, AND EMAILS THAT WENT OUT TO PRIOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PARTICIPANTS RECREATION AND HOA MEMBERS. SO, I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE. THERE WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS UPDATED AS PART OF THIS PLAN UPDATE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT IS PARK SYSTEM ACCESS. SO, THERE'S A BIG PUSH NATIONWIDE FOR ENCOURAGING COMMUNITIES TO TRY TO PROVIDE A EQUAL AND SAFE PARK B WITHIN A TEN-MINUTE WALK OF THEIR HOME. EMPLPLANO IS EXCELLING. 77% OF PLANO RESIDENTS ARE WITHIN A TEN-MINUTE WALK TO A PARK. NATIONWIDE IT'S JUST BELOW 60% OF RESIDENTS ARE WITHIN A TEN-MINUTE WALK TO A PARK. SO THERE'S A REALLY GREAT ACCESS, BUT IT'S NOT 100% YET. PART OF WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKS AT IS TRYING TO RAISE THE P BAR TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE ACCESS TO PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT LEVEL OF SERVICE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF ACRES PER CAPITA. SO, TODAY PLANO IS PROVIDING ABOUT 14.5 ACRES. THIS IS ABOVE NATIONAL AVERAGES, BUT TRADITIONALLY THE CITY HAS SET A F GOAL OF 15 ACRES PER THOUSAND. WITH FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH, IF NO MORE PARKLAND WERE REQUIRED, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD CONTINUE TO GO DOWN. SO PART OF THE FOCUS OF THIS PLAN, GIVEN THAT THE COMMUNITY IS PRIMARILY BUILT OUT, IS TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED PARKLAND. THERE ARE SOME PARK SITES WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS PARKLAND, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY AMENITIES YET. SO ONCE THEY'RE PROGRAMMED AND DEVELOPED, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING SOME STRATEGIC GAPS IN PARK SERVICE TO LOOK A SOME STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS FOR PARKLAND MOVING FORWARD. SO THIS MAP SHOWS THE OVERALL GENERAL SERVICE AREAS FOR THE VARIOUS PARK TYPES WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AREAS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF A PARK SERVICE AREA TRADITIONALLY ARE IN AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESIDENTIAL. SO UP UNTIL THE PAST DECADE OR SO, THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY PRIMARILY WAS CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, JUST NOW THERE'S START TO BE A MORE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. THE FAR SOUTHERN PORTION IS PRIMARILY THE INDUSTRIAL HUB OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, THIS IS THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE PARK MASTER PLAN MAP. SO, IT IDENTIFIES THE EXISTING PARKS IN THE DARK GREEN, PROPOSED PARKS IN THE LIGHTER GREEN. THESE ARE PARKS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR FUTURE ACQUISITION. IT ALSO IDENTIFIES PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. SO THESE ARE SPACES SUCH AS PRIVATE GOLF COURSES, AND PARKS THAT ARE LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHO CAN USE THEM. AND THEN IT ALSO IDENTIES TRAILS ON PARKLAND AS WELL. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE INDICATES ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THE LAST PARK MASTER PLAN MAP THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. SO, I'LL JUST TOUCH ON KIND OF THE WHOLESALE CHANGES. SO, WE INCLUDED UPDATES TO MAKE REFERENCE TO PARKS THAT ARE NOW EXISTING. SO AN EXAMPLE ARE THE PARK SITES THAT HAVE BEEN DEDICATED AND THE FORMER COLLIN CREEK MALL AREA. WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO PROPOSED PARKLAND BASED ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE FAR NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE CITY, THAT IS THE WATERS CREEK GOLF COURSE THERE. SO THIS IS A LONG-RANGE PLAN. SO IF THERE WERE EVER OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PARKLAND OR THAT GOLF COURSEERE TO CHANGE HANDS, THAT WOULD BE A PRIME LOCATION TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE CITY'S LARGE GREEN BELT IN THAT AREA. AND THEN AGAIN JUST ADDITIONAL PROPOSED OPEN SPACES. TRYING TO FILL IN THE GAPS PRIMARILY IN THE NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE SECOND MAJOR MAP IS THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP. SO THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES INCLUDING ON-STREET BIKE ROUTES, CYCLE TRACKS, BIKE LANES, AS WELL AS SHARED USE PATHS. SO ALL OF THE DASHED LINES FOR THE SHARED USE PATH FACILITIES ARE PROPOSED. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE HERE THAT AGAIN INDICATES THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE 2021 MAP. A LOT OF THESE ARE RELATED TO FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT SINCE THAT TIME, AS WELL AS PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS. I DON'T THINK I'M -- DID SOMEONE ELSE MOVE IT? SORRY. OKAY. THIS ONE. AND SO LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND COMPLETING SOME STRATEGIC GAPS WITHIN THE TRAIL NETWORK AS WELL. SO, MIRIAM WENT THROUGH THE REMAINING SCHEDULE. JUST WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE DAYS, WE HAVE HAD AHANGE IN THE L SO WE WILL NOT BE DOING THE MAY 22ND COUNCIL BRIEFING. WE WILL BE DOING THE PUBLIC OPEN MEETING BRIEFING AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING BOTH ON JULY 24TH. WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE COMING BACK HERE ON THE 19TH TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR THE PLAN UP-TATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 68? >> YES. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT ONE TO ANSWER IT, BUT I WANTED QUICKLY TO RUN THROUGH THESE ITEMS 1- 13. NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM, BUT HAVING MAYBE AN UNDERSTANDING OF A COUPLE ITEMS. >> MHMM. >> Chair Downs: I'LL START WITH ITEM 1, REMOVED THE PROPOSED TRAIL AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS. IS THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE IN THE PLA ANYMORE, OR WAS IT BECAUSE OF DIFFICULTIES GETTING RIGHTS OF WAY, OR WHY WOULD WE REMOVE A CONNECTION WHEN THIS WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED AROUND CONNECTIONS TO JOINING MUNICIPALITIES? >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DOWNS, RON SMITH, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES FROM THE PARK PLANNING DIVISION. RENE IS OUR DIVISION MANAGER AND LIZ IS WITH ME TONIGHT, OUR PARK PLANNING SUPERVISOR. RENE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THOSE TRAIL CONNECTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> MHMM. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF THE COLONY, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION. AND OUR IDENTIFIED PREVIOUS CONNECTIONS ARE NOT FEASIBLE ON THEIR SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT THERE IS A RAIL LINE THERE. >> Chair Downs: I SEE THAT. AND YOU ADDED A PROPOSED CONNECTION TO COLONY, SO IS IT REALLY A CASE OF REPLACING ONE WITH THE OTHER? >> IT IS. >> Chair Downs: IN TERM OF ALLSF ALL THE ADDED PROPOSED PARKS, ARE THESE ALL LOCATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH BOND DOLLARS ALLOCATED ALREADY, OR NO, THESE ARE ALL FUTURE LOCATIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK FOR BOND FUNDS TO PURCHASE? >> SO, WE TYPICALLY IN OUR PARK MASTER PLAN IDENTIFY FUTURE LAND ACQUISITIONS. SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY FUTURE LAND ACQUISITIONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, 2-4 2 AND 3 WILL A BE PROPOSED PARKLAND. WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES TO ACQUIRE IN THAT AREA. >> Chair Downs: A COUPLE OF THESE SPOTS I THINK THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THE LAND. AND I'M GOING TO GO WITH ITEM 9 ITEM NINE, THE NORTH 40, A PARKING LOT. >> THAT IS NOT THE NORTH 40. SO, THAT IS ACTUALLY SOME LOTS ON AVENUE L. WE ACTUALLY OWN A FEW OF THEY THEM,BUT THERE'S ONE WE'RE TRYIO ACQUIRE, 1605, 07 AND 09 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE ON-AVENUE. THAT IS NOT THE NORTH 40. IT IS BEHIND THE NORTH 40 TO THE EAST, ON THE EAST SIDE. >> Chair Downs: WE'VE ACCUMULATED SOME OF THEM BUT NOT ALL THE LOTS THAT WE NEED AT THIS POINT. >> CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. AND THIS IS HISTORIC AND MORE FOR INFORMATION. ITEM 12, WATERS CREEK, BUT IT USED TO BE DIFFICULT GOLF COURSE >> CHASE OAKS. >> Chair Downs: IT WAS CHASE OAKS. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THAT AT ONE POINT. [ CHUCKLING ] I SHUDDER TO THINK OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST NOW WHEN WE COULD HAVE HAD IT TEN YEARS AGO. BUT THAT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE ADDITION IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OKAY. WE HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. MR. BR BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU ON A TREMENDOUS JOB. I BELIEVE IT IS ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF PLANO, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. I ALSO WANT TO SAY A LOT OF THANK YOU. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE CALLED OUT FOR PROACTIVELY SEEKING COMMUNITY INPUT AND UPDATES WHEN NEEDED WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE -- BE CONTINUALLY HEARD. AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF FINDING CREATIVE, INNOVATIVE WAYS TO REACH OUT AND ALLOW EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND TO BE HEARD. I JUST WANT TO SAY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDPOINT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONTINUING THE EFFORT OF BEING VERY PROACTIVE AND DESIRING TO HEAR WHAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE IT FOR US. I KNOW THE BIKE CONNECTORS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMISSION'S TIME, SOME OF THE CONNECTORS. AND YOU GUYS HAVE CERTAINLY BROUGHT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE. AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT AS WELL. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. Ratli: THAN YOU, CHAIRMAN. DITTO. AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF WORK. DURING THE PANDEMIC, I WAS RELATIVELY NEW TO TOWN. WE FOUND THE TRAILS MAP AND PROCEEDED TO EXPLORE A LOT OF THE EAST SIDE OF DOWN BY USING THE TRAILS MAP. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS A VERY VALUABLE TOOL FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND ON OUR BR BICYCLE AND WALKING WHENE WERE DESPERATE TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE. WITH THAT SAID, I NOTICED A COUPLE OF JUST ITEMS THAT WERE NOT -- I'D LIKE TO SEE UPDATED. NUMBER 1, ON THE SCREEN THAT'S UP, NUMBER 5, I THINK WE JUST APPROVED AN EAST-WEST TRAIL THAT GOES UNDER THE POWER LINES. YOU SHOW THE PARK, BUT THE TRAIL ISN'T SHOWN ON THE MAP. AND THE ONE THAT I USE ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS IS THE ONE THAT GOES FROM THE D.A.R.T. RAIL FROM DOWNTOWN DOWN TO CITYLINE. THAT'S SHOWN AS FUTURE ON THE TRAILS MAP. AND I ASSURE YOU, IT IS VERY HEAVILY USED, BECAUSE I'M ON IT. [ LAUGHING ] SO IT'S JUST SUCH A GREAT TOO IF IT'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THEM BY KNOWING THEY'RE EXISTING TODAY AND NOT PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE LOOK AT ROUTINELY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND TALK A WALK OR RIDE, SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT CURRENT SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: THANK YOU. I HAVE TO ECHO THE POSITIVE THOUGHTS FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE. A COUPLE REAL QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICES RIT -- WEAVE THRE DOG PARKS IN TOWN. >> YES. >> Cary: HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE USAGE? IS THAT ENOUGH? ARE THEY GEOGRAPHICALLY SITUATED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY? IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE MORE AND MORE DOGS. AND SO I WONDER IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THAT, AND IF YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THAT. THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. SO, WE HAVE A DOG PARK ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, WIND HAVEN MEADOWS, ONE IN THE CENTRAL AREA, AND WE HAVE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, DOG PARK. AND WE REALLY NEED THOSE TO BE A LARGE PARK SITE, A COMMUNITY PARK SITE WHERE THERE'S ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO PARK. WE NEED SPACE AWAY FROM SINGLE-FAMILY SO THERE'S NOT NUISANCE ISSUES WITH THAT, SOUND AND WHATNOT. SO WE FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE HAVE FULFILLED OUR PARK MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF DOG PARKS, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO CONTINUING TO HEAR WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE CITY, OUR CITIZENS, AND LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE WE ARE MEETING THE NEED. >> Cary: OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH BIKING. AND REGRETFULLY,V, I HAVE A LOTF FRIENDS THAT BIKE AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN HURT SIGNIFICANTLY ON BIKES. I ALWAYS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SHARING THE ROAD WITH MOTORISTS, INCREASINGLY SO AS ALL OF US DRIVE AROUND WITH CELL PHONES AND TEXTS, ETC. ARE WE GIVING MUCH CONSIDERATION TO DEDICATED OR SEPARATED BIKE LANES FROM TRAFFIC T TRY TO PROTECT CITIZENS MORE? AND SOME PLACES I SEE THAT REALLY DO THIS WELL HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AND IT'S EFFECTIVE. AND I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT. >> SO WE DO HAVE A PROJECT UNDER WAY RIGHT NOW TO IMPLEMENT SOME DEDICATED BIKE LANES ON SHILOH ROAD, PART OF THAT EXPANSION. THERE WILL BE BIKE LANES THAT WILL PICK UP BETWEEN THE SHILOH ROAD STATION ON SHILOH TO THE TRAIL CONNECTION AT BOB WOODRUFF SOUTHEAST. AND THEN ON O PLAN WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME FUTURE BIKEWAY ACCOMMODATION STUDY AREAS. ONE OF THEM IS ON LOS RIOS. I CAN'T SEE WHERE THE OTHER ONE IS. WE HAVE SOME STUDY AREAS AND ARE TAKING SOME STEPS IN THAT DIRECTION. >> Cary: I WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO THAT OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS PLAN. THIS OBVIOUSLY WAS AAJOR EFFO TE CONTRIBUTE. AND IT'S A MAJOR AMENITY IN THE CITY TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARK SPACE. MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS MORE IN THE NATURE OF A CONCEPT PLAN, OR IS IT MORE SPECIFIC IN THAT, IS IT TIED TO A TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION? >> SO, OUR PARK MASTER PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONCEPT PLAN. IT IS UPDATED WITH OUR PERIODIC UPDATES. SO THE PLAN CAN CHANGE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR EVEN TWO YEARS. WE DID AN UPDATE IN '. 21. WE DO HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS A PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN. AND SO AS THE THINGS IN THE MASTER PLAN ARE CHANGING, OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS CHANGING. AND IT PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE FOR THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE COULD SEEK OUT IN A BOND PROGRAM AND THEN THOSE BOND PROGRAMS ARE SUBJECT TO INPUT FROM ALL VARIOUS BOARDS AND THE PUBLIC. AND SO THAT REALLY ULTIMATELY SHAPES WHAT MAKES THE BOND PROGRAM. >> Brounoff: A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. WHEN WE MOVED INTO OUR HOME ON WOOD HEIGHTS COURT IN AUGUST OF 2009, IT'S ON A CUL-DE-SAC. AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, ACROSS CLOVER HAVEN DRIVE IS AN OPEN FIELD. IN 2009 THERE WAS A SIGN THAT SAID HOME OF PROPOSED LIGHTED ATHLETIC FIELDS. THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE FIELD EXCEPT COWS AT THE TIME AND BUNNY RABBITS, OKAY? >> MHMM. >> Brounoff: TODAY, THERE ARE NO MORE BUNNY RABBITS COURTESY OF THEOBCA, B THE COWS ARE STILL THERE AND THE SIGN IS STILL UP AND THERE STILL AREN'T ANY LIGHTED ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE. I'LL WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY MOTION TOWARDS BUILDING THOSE FACILITIES. >> YES, SIR, THERE IS. THAT LAND WAS ACQUIRED IN 1985. THE SIGNS ARE BEEN UP SINCE THEN. OUR NEXT BOND PROGRAM, THAT WILL BE AN ITEM THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED ON THE LIST. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST STARTED HAVING MEETINGS WITH OUR PARK BOARD TO TALK ABOUT BOND ITEMS. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RECREATION FACILITIES AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY TOWARDS PARK FACILITIES. AND SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT MAKES THAT FINAL LIST. IT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE '21 PROGRAM, BUT IT DID NOT MAKE THE CUT. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I WAS ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT THE NUMBER 9 PARK, WHICH DOES APPEAR -- THER >> Lisle: TO BE THE NORTH 40. MYEW UNDERSANDING IS IT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE? >> YES, SIR. L AVENUE. >> Lisle: OKAY. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE. WAS THE DOWNTOWN -- THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO ASSOCIATION PART OF THAT OUTREACH? >> I BELIEVE WITH DID SEND EMAILS TO THE HDPA CONTACT PERSON AND THEN IT'S UP TO THAT PERSON TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE EMAILS. >> Lisle: AND THEN I GO TO THOSE MEETINGS AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A FUTUREARK COMING. >> SO, WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT THIS IS A FUTURE PARK. WE'RE SAYING WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ACQUISITION HERE. AND SO IF WE ARE UNABLE TO MAKE AN ACQUISITION, WE ARE UNABLE TO HAVE A PARK. SO THE NATURE OF THIS PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL. SO THINGS CAN STILL CHANGE. >> Lisle: FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU. OLY.hair Downs: COMMISSIONER Olley: AS A LITTL BIT OF -- SEEING OPEN SPACES AND PARKS TICKLES -- THAT'S MY LOVE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT. [ LAUGHING ] >> Olley: I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TO COMMICOMMISSIONER LISLE. SO THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL. NO -- IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PRIORITIZED, A WAY OF MAKING A MOVE TO GO FOR, NUMBER 1, 2, 3. AS THE OPPORTUNITY SHOWS UP, YOU WOULD AT LEAST THAT. BOND OFFERINGS -- IS THAT OUR ONLY MEANS OF FUNDING THIS ACQUISITION -- THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A BUDGET QUESTION. THEY ARE THE LEVERS THAT WE LOOK AT TO PULL. BECAUSE I AM A BIOPHILE BUT I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT ALLERGIC. >> WE DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. WE DO HAVE A PARK FEE PROGRAM. AND WHAT THE PARK FEE PROGRAM IS, IT'S ESTABLISHED IN 1993, IT IS A FEE THAT BUILDERS PAY WHEN THEY PULL A PERMIT FOR A SINGLE-Y UNIT. SO THE FEE IS -- WE'LL CALL IT PER DOOR. AND WE HAVE A PARK FEE MAP. AND IT IS BY ZONE. AND SO THOSE FUNDS ARE COLLECTED. IF THERE IS FUNDING IN THAT ZONE, IT CAN BE PULLED TO PAY FOR A PROJECT. SO IT REALLY WAS IN ITS HEYDAY IN THE '90s AND EARLY 2000s. THAT PARK FEE PROGRAM IS WINDING DOWN BECAUSE IT'S DEVELOPMENT-DRIVEN. BUT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW T IT'S GOING TO BE USED THIS CURRENT TIME. WE HAVE A PROJECT CALLED JACK CARTER PARK RENOVATION. THE PARK FEE ZONE HAS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE LINEAR PARK THERE. AND SO WE WILL USE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THAT PARK FEE ZONE TO PAY FOR THE TRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO BE A P PART OF THAT PROJECT. WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. WE WILL BE EXTENDING CHISHOLM TRAIL FROM 15TH STREET SOUTH TO THE COLLIN CREEK ROAD. THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE. SO WE'LL BE USING THAT PARK FEE FUNDING THERE TO PAY FOR THAT LINEAR PARK EXPANSION THERE. >> Olley: OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC DEFAULT TO THE BOND. >> RIGHT. >> Chair Downs: BACK TO MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: ONE MORE QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE LONG-TERM PLAN WAS A BRIDGE FROM DOWNTOWN PLANO ACROSS TO COLLIN CREEK MALL. >> IT IS THERE. WE HAVE MOVED IT INTO APPENDIX. WE HAVE BIG IDEA S IN THE APPENDIX. >> Lisle: I LIKE BIG IDEAS, AS A SIDE NOTE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'LL WRAP US UP WITH JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO, THE VERY FIRST FACILITY FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS A SECOND GYM AT WILLIAMS HIGH SCHOOL ANDY D BUILT IT. I WOULD, AFTER SCHOOL, RUN OVER AND HELP HIM. WE'D PUT TOGETHER THE LOCKERS OR WHATEVER. AND MY VERY FIRST TIME SERVING THE CITY ON A COMMISSION WAS THE PARKS BOARD. AND THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE RETIRED THAT FACILITY. SO I JUST THOUGHT, WOW. SO, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ENAMORED WITH OUR PARK SYSTEM. IT'S ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. I APPRECIATE THE VISION AND FORESIGHT THAT GOES INTO IT. UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, NOTHING IS COMMITTED TO THE PARK ROLLS YET. FOR TSE THAT DON'T KNOW FROM A BOND PROGRAM ST STANDPOINT, IF E ISSUE DEBT AND BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE PARKS ROLL IS THROUGH A GENERAL ELECTION. COMMITTING LAND TO PARKS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT LEFT IS A BRAVE MOVE ON OUR PART, BUT ONE I THINK IS WORTHY OF TAKING THAT STEP FOR. SO, THANK YOU FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR PLAN. I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 19TH. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE ELSE -- TO WE HAVE THIS?E THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON >> NO. >> Chair Downs: CITY OF PLANO I. IF WE HAD 20 PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO, THEY WERE ALL GONE BY NOW. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSSION: 2023 PLANNING DEPARTMENT ANNUAL REPORT - RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE 2023 CITY OF PLANO PLANNING DEPARTMENT ANNUAL REPORT >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS STEVE SIMMS, ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE, NICK COLEMAN, SENIOR PLANNER. WE'RE GOI TO MAKE -- GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU THE DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW, THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO NICK TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHICS AND HOUSING DATA. LOOKING AT OUR DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW, THE FIRST THING THAT WE ARE N KNOWN FOR IS CUSTOMER SERVICE AND PLANNING. WEE HIGHLY ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC AND OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. OF THE 35 SURVEYS WE RECEIVED BACK FROM PEOPLE, WE AVERAGED 4.89 IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE FIGURES. OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE ALSO EXTENDS OUTSIDE THE DEPARTMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT FOR ARMSTRONG PARK. AND HERE IS PHOTOGRAPHS OF OUR DEPARTMENT MEMBERS. WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WITHIN THELANNING DEPARTMTS. THERE'S A LOT OF NEW FACES, NEW PLANNERS ON STAFF. FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THE GROUP THAT YOU ARE THE MOST FAMILIAR WITH, ERIC IS THE MANAGER FOR THAT. LEAD PLANNER IS RAHA. VERY FAMILIAR WITH HER. AND THEY ASSIST YOU IN WORKING WITH ZONING CASES, SITE PLANS AND PLATS, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE, TREE PLANS, FACADE PLANS. AND THEY ALSO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHICH MEETS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GO OVER DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR E EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS. COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING TEAM, THAT'S HEADED BY OUR MANAGER, MIKE BELL. AND WE DIVIDE IT INTO TWO GROUPS. DEVELOPMENT REVIEW LOOKS AT WHAT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY. WE LOOK AT EITHER THE PAST OR WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE. SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT TODAY, BUT WE'RE EITHER LOOKING BEHIND OR TOWARDS TOMORROW. AND I WORK IN INFORMATION AND WE WORK ON PRESERVING THE HERITAGE RESOURCES. ANALYSIS,OTH FOR THE CURRENT AND THE FUTURE. AND WE ALSO LOOK AT WHO LIVES IN PLANO, WHAT THEY WERE LIKE IN THE PAST, TODAY, AND TOMORROW. AND THEN WE ALSO REPORT ON DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING DATA. AND FOR LONG-RANGE PLANNING, LEAD PLANNER IS DREW. THEY HELP TO MAINTAIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOK AT SMALL AREA PLANS, LOOKING AT PLANO IN 20- 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE AND HELP US TO GET AROUND THE CITY AND HELP IMPLEMENT THE PLAN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS PLAN REVIEW. FOR LAND RECORDS PLAQUE, OUR PLE SUPERVISOR IS MARTIN HOLMES. AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THEIR GROUP IS THAT THEY HELP TO MAINTAIN GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS, COMMUTER MAPPING FOR OUR CITY -- COMPUTER MAPPING, MAKING SURE THE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS IMPORTANT, LEAD PLANNER, WHAT SHE DOES IS TAKING -- MAINTAINING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS UP TO KAT DATE AND THE POLICS ARE CURRENT TO DRESS ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING OUT THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR BUSINESS SERVICES DIVISION, OUR SUPERVISOR IS LINETTE. AND LINETTE IS A PART OF A VERY IMPORTANT TEAM THAT HELPS US ALL STAY TOGETHER AND KEEPS US IN ONE PIECE. THEY ARE THE FIRST LINE OF CONTACT WHEN IT COME TO PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO TALK TO THE PLANNING AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY SUPPORT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, HELP US GET OUR PACKETS OUT, LOOK OVER OUR BUDGET, OUR CONTRACTS WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND HELP WITH TRAINING. AND EY A A VERY IMPORTT GROUP TO KEEP US ALL GOING. THEN WE HAVE OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. OF COURSE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH YOURS, THE PL PLANNING AND ZONIG COMMISSION, RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ADMINISTERING ZONING CASES AND PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ZONING CASES AND ZONING PROCEDURES AND SITE PLANS. AND THE FINAL APPROVAL FOR SITE PLANS AND PLATS. WE HAVE THE HERITAGE COMMISSION. THAT'S THE GROUP THAT THE HERITAGE INFORTION REPORTS TO. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND ENSURING PROTECTION OF OUR HERITAGE RESOURCES, MAKING SURE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT AND DOES NOT DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THE HERITAGE SITE. NEXT IS OUR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND -- TOO FAR THERE. HERE WE GO. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE WENT UP SLIGHTLY IN 2022, 728 APPLICATIONS BETWEEN LANDSCAPE AND PLATS, 3 3 332 PL. ZONING, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT COLORS, TELLING US ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING CASES, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, NONRESIDENTIAL, WHETHER THEY'RE MIXED USE. AND THE FOUR WHETHER THEY WERE APPROVED DENIED WITHDRAWN OR PENDING. AND LOOKING AT OUR ZONINGASES INE FOUND FOR 2022 IS THINGS MOVED A LITTLE BIT FASTER. WE HAD 30 ZONING CASES AND TOOK AN AVR AVERAGE OF 104 DAYS. IT TAKES LONGER BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT HAVE FEWER CASES, THEY HAVE BECOME MORE COMPLEX AND HAVE MORE CHALLENGING DECISIONS. OUR MAJOR PROJECTS ARE FROM THE PLANO GATEWAY UP TO LEGACY WEST AND THE GRANT PARK UP THERE IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY. WE HAVE WORK CONTINUING THERE AT HERITAGE CREEK AND C COLLIN CRE. WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT GOT GOING THIS YEAR, BEACON SQUARE. THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE PERMITS GO FOR SEVERAL P APARTMENT COMPLEXES. WE ARE SEEING DEVELOPMENTS AT THE HAGGARD FARMS AREA WITH THE ALMANAC AND OUTLOOK. AND OUR NEWEST BUSINESS IS COMING IN, THE COVER PAGE, H-E-B AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PRESTON AND SPRING CREEK PARKWAY. UNDEVEPED LAND AS OF THE NEW YEAR. WE HAVE ABOUT 4.5% OF OUR TOTAL LAND AREA OF PLANO IS UNDEVELOPED. AND OUT OF THAT LESS THAN 400 ACRES IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. LOOKING AT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE UPDATES, WE HAD FOUR DIFFICULT ISSUES, ONE FOR SPECIAL VEHICLE PARKING, PARTICULAR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. AND THEN LOOKING AT ARCADE USE, FLEXIBILITY, CONSIDERING THIS TO BE AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT. AND LOOKING AT ZONING NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES, GETTING THESE CHANGED TO HELP PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEIR PROPERTIES. AND THEN TATTOOING IN DOWNTOWN PLANO, ALLOWING AT LEAST TWO BUSINESSES THAT DO THAT BY RIGHT. AND IF ANY OTHERS WANT TO BE CONSIDERED THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO C ASK FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. AND THEN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR ZONING ORD. AND SO THEY LOOKED AT RETIREMENT HOUSING AND MULTIFAMILY. AND THE U.S. 75 CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE, STANDARD TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THE RECORDS AND RESEARCH, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FIGURES, ONE THING I THINK IS REALLY AMAZING, FOR ALMOST 300,000 UPDATES, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE MAPS UP TO DATE SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. ALSO, THEY RECEIVED THE GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AWARD FOR THEIR NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE THEY CAME UP WITH FOR ZONING. NOW PEOPLE KNOW WHEN A ZONING CASE IS COMING TO THEM. FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NICK COLEMAN. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS NICK, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. START WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. WE'LL GET RIGHT BACK INTO HERITAGE PRESERVATION. A COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN HERITAGE PRESERVATION LAST YEAR. IN NOVEMBER, THE TEXAS CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION PRESENTED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A GOLD LITTLE PLANNING ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR THE HAGGARD PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS. EARLIER THAT YEAR, PLANNING STAFF WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS, NAPC CONVENTION IN CINCINNATI, ACCOMPANIED BY TWO MEMBERS OF THE HERITAGE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEMBER MARIA TU. IN MORE ROUTINE DEVELOPMENTS, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ARE ISSUED FOR M MODIFICATIONS R ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THERE'S A LOT OF FLUCTUATION, BUT THE NUMBER WAS DOWN TO 25 LAST YEAR. OF THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WERE APPROVED, 70% WERE ABLE TO BE AP. APPLICANTS DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. AND OF THE STAFF-APPROVED CAs, 94% WERE APPROVED IN A SINGLE DAY. >> Chair Downs: WOW. >> AS YOU HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, HERITAGE PRESERVATION ALSO INCLUDES HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANTS AND HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTIONS. THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVED GRANTS LAST YEAR INCLUDE THE HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM, PLANO CONSERVANCY FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION. AND COMBINED, THOSE THREE ORGANIZAONS HAVE 56 -- OVER 56,000 SITE VISITORS. HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTIONS, WHICH HELP OFFSET THE MAINTENANCE COST OF OWNING HISTORIC PROPERTIES WERE ISSUED FOR 86 HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS. A BIG THING IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING LAST YEAR WAS TRACKING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I. THE PLAN TOUCHES ON JUST ABOUT EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. WE WERE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THOSEEPARTMENTS TO S HOW THE POLICY ACTION ITEMS -- THERE WERE 271 -- HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS LIBRARY POLICY ACTION NUMBER 6, WHICH CALLED FOR THE CREATION OF A MARKETING PROGRAM FOR PLANO LIBRARIES OVER THE COURSE OF 2022. THAT MARKETING PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED. SO AT THE UPDATE FOR THAT ACTION ITEM, IS TO ANNUALLY EVALUATE THE LIBRARY MARKETING PLAN AND SOTHER WERE 12 ACTIONS THAT WERE MODIFIED IN A SIMILAR WAY. THERE WERE THREE ACTIONS ADDED, TWO REMOVED, BECAUSE THEY WERE OBSOLETE. AND THEN THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LARGE PROJECTS THAT KICKED OFF LAST YEAR. THE FIRST IS THOROUGHFARE. THE PLAN HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2009. IT'S BEING BROUGHT UP TO DATE WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND BEST PRACTICES. THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLANS KICKED OFF LAST YEAR. THOSE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AROUND 12TH STREET AND SHILOH ROAD STATIONS. THE COMMUNITY DESIGN PLAN THAT ALSO KICKED OFF LAST YEAR WILL LOOK AT THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND URBAN FORM. POLICY DOCUMENT REVIEW -- MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER WE LOOKED AT OLDER POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE STILL IN EFFECT AND WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE 32 THAT WERE DEEMED OBSOLETE. AND FINALLY, AN INTERESTING PROJECT TO CONNECT OFF LAST YEAR WAS THE ANNUAL MARKET STUDY WHICH COMES OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE CITY PARTNERED WITH SOMEONE TO EVALUATE THE HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT MARKET TO SEE HOW THOSE FLUCTUATIONS WILL HAVE IMPACTS ON LAND USE POLICY. TURNING FROM DEPARTMENT ACTIVITIES TO CITYWIDE DATA, DEMOGRAPHICS IN HOUSING. A BIG THING IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE LOOK AT YEAR TO YEAR IS SCHOOL DISTRICT DATA. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE AN EDUCATION MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN PLANO. WE LOOK AT ENROLLMENT TRENDS OVER TIME. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPH ON THE LOWER RIGHT, A BIG TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN SCHOOL ENROLLMENT IS A LONG-TERM AND FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN ENTERING KINDERGARTEN. EVEN AS THE NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS STAYS RELATEL AND IT POINTS TO A LARGER DECLINE IN THE POPULATION OF THE UNDER TEN AGE COHORT, WHICH IS SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE NATION AND THE STATE, AND COLLIN COUNTY, BUT IS MORE PRONOUNCED WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO. ONE THING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SHARE WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE MEETING IS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT'S TAKING PLACE, HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING IN, AND HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE LIKELY TO LIVE IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. SO LAST YEAR WE HAD 157 SIM 157 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES PERMITTED, 2,028 MULTIFAMILY, AND IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES, THERE COULD BE 44 CHILDREN ENTERING PLANO SCHOOLS AND 262 IN THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS. WE ALSO LOOK AT THOSE PERMITTING TRENDS OVER TIME AND HOW THEY'RE CHANGING. SO WE'VE GOT 25 -- OVER 2500 THAT WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR. WE KNOW OF BASED ON APPVED HOUSING THAT ABOUT 11,000 ARE PENDING IN THE FUTURE. THE NEAR FUTURE AND MORE LONG-TERM. OVER TIME, YOU CAN SEE SUSTAINED DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF SINGLE-FAMILY PERMITS, A LOT OF FLUCTUATION IN MULTIFAMILY. LAST YEAR THERE WAS A MARKED UPTICK IN MULTIFAMILY DUE TO A LOT OF PROJECTS COMING ONLINE THAT HAVE BEEN IN, KIND OF, THE PLANNING PHASES FOR SOME TIME. SO, BEACON SQUARE, MORE UNI GOING IN IN HERITAGE CREEKSIDE, FIRST BAPTIST IN DOWNTOWN, ASSEMBLY PARK, CABIN LOFTS. AND IN THE REPORT ON AND ON YOUR SKSCREENS WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHS THE ACTIVE PROJECTS, HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE TOTAL, HOW MANY HAVE HAD PERMITS ISSUED FOR THOSE UNITS AND HOW AND SO TRACKING THE PERMITS OVER TIME AND YEAR TO YEAR WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE AN ACCURATE COUNT OF HOW MANY HOUSING UNIT THERE AREN E CITY. AS OF JANUARY 1st, THERE WERE 117,654 HOUSING UNITS. AND THE BALANCE OR COMPOSITION OF THAT WAS ABOUT 63% SINGLE-FAMILY AND 37% MULTIFAMILY. OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, BY 2043, WE ANTICIPATE THEY'LL ADD ALMOST 30,000 HOUSING UNITS FOR A TOTAL OF 144,400 HOUSING UNITS. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE BALANCE OF HOUSING WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AT 60% SINGLE-FAMILY AND 40% MULTIFAMILY. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. STEVE AND I ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK OU. THAT WAS EXCELLENT I'M A GEEK FOR DATA SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT'S VERY INTERESTING STUFF. MR. BROUNOFF, YOU WERE FIRST. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THIS CITY TO HAVE AN AWARD-WINNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> Chair Downs: YES, WE ARE. >> Brounoff: AND I THINK THIS REPORT REFLECTS WHY THEY ARE AN AWARD-WINNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THEEPARENT AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN IT FOR THEIR HARD WORK OVER THE YEARS AND FOR THIS VERY INFORMATIVE REPORT. AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. IN 2015 WE WERE A CITY DIVIDED. IN 2020, A COMMENTARY READ OUT OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, PLANO DROPS ITS UGLY MASTER PLAN FIGHT BUT CAN IT HEAL DIVISION, DIVISIVE POLITICAL SPLIT? I WANT TO SAY THAT MS. DAY, ALONG WITH YOUR ENTIRE TEAM, THE CONFIDENCE THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF PLANO, I BELIEVE, WATCHED DURING THE 18 MONTHS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE AS WELL AS HOW THEY HAVE -- HOW YOU HAVE PROFESSIONALLY HANDLED BEING VERY TRANSPARENT, BEING VERY PATIENT WITH PEOPLE HAVING QUESTIONS. I THINK THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ANSWER WE CAN SEE TODAY IN PLANO, AS I HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE AS WELL AS PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, PLANO IS A HEALING CITY AND A GREAT DEAL OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY SEE IN EACH OF YOU CARING OUT YOUR TASK EVERY DAY, MAKING PLANO THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, ALLOWING ALL OF ITS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY FEEL THAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE THINKING AND FEELING IS HEARD AND IS PROCESSED AND UNDERSTOOD. SO FOR THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE DIFFICULTY IN THE CITY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND KINDNESS IN DOING ALL OF THAT AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR BEING STEWARDS OF YOUR WORD AND STICKING TO FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS EACH OF YOU HAD LAID OUT FOR IT TO PLAY OUT. AND SO I THINK, AS WE REFLECT BACK ON THOSE YEARS, I THINK LOOKING FORWARD PLANO IS A BETTER CITY BECAUSE EACH OF YOU EVERY DAY SHOW UP TO WORK AND TAKE OUR CONCERNS AS CITIZENS TO HEART. SO, THANK YOU. >>HANK YOU, SIR. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: ECHO EVERYTHING EVERYONE HAS SAID. THE 3% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE COULD BARELY NOTICE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DO A GOOD JOB OF TAKING THE WORK EASIER FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO -- OR PRETEND LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OVER HERE. ALSO, I WAS JUST STRUCK BY -- I'M IN FINANCE SO I'M ALL ABOUT STABILITY OFREND AND THE VOLATILITY IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES OF FRISCO WHERE IT'S LIKE 288 BUILDING PERMITS AND THEN ZERO. IF I WERE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD FRUSTRATE THE HECK OUT OF ME NOT BEING ABLE TO PREDICT THE STEADINESS OF THAT FLOW TO YOU GUYS' SKILL . I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED 272 PENDING UNITS. QUITE FRANKLY WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE WERE BEING BUILT IN PLANO. HOW DID WE GET A NUMBER FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED. THAT'S ABOUT 500 PENDING UNITS SHOWN IN THE REPORT. >> OH, THE LOCATION OF THE PENDING UNITS? >> Olley: WHERE? HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THAT NUMBER? >> WE TAKE AND WE TRACK ALL OF COTRUCTION RIGHT NOWRE UER THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO AND WE TAKE AND WE BREAK THEM UP INTO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT ON PAGE 32 -- LET ME SEE, NUMBERS 1 THROUGH 8. THAT TELLS YOU ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND HOW MANY ARE THERE. AND WE TAKE AND DIVIDE THEM UP INTO SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, AND THEN WE GET INTO AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE MIXED-USE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED. >> Olley: SORRY. I TOTALLY MISSED PAGE 32. THE TREND FROM AN UNDER 18, UNDER 10, LIKE YOU NOTED IS CONCERNING AS A NATION OVERALL. I THINK OUR MIX OF MULTIFAMILY WITH SINGLE-FAMILY MIGHT HELP US MITIGATE THAT IN TERMS OF ENROLLMENT WITHIN PISD, BUT OVERALL REPEAT EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID. YOU GUYS MAKE IT EASY TO CALL PLANO HOME. SO, THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: VERY NICELY SAID. I ACTUALLY PASSED A LITTLE NOTE TO MS. DAY EARLIER ABOUT THAT DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN KINDERGARTEN, PRIMARY SCHOOL. >> YES. >> Chair Downs: I THINK TWO MAJOR FACTORS. ONE, IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR A YOUNG FAMILY TO AFFORD HOUSING IN PLANO. TWO, THERE'S JUST FEWER CHILDREN. MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING KIDS OR THEY'RE HAVING ONE. SO I THINK THAT DECLINING -- AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONNECTED OR FOLLOW PISD MUCH AND SOME OF THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS, I PREDICT IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM START TO CLOSE, SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLEADING OUR SCHOOLS BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING. THE POPULATION OF STUDENTS IS DROPPING. COMMISSIONER CARY. YOU'RE NEXT. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MICROPHONE. >> Cary: THANKS, DOUG. SO, ANYWAY, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE HERE AND I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC REPORT. I LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING MORE TIME DIGESTING IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR, IS HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT THAT I THINK WE'RE DOING. WE'VE ATTACKED A LOT OF THINGS AND LOOKED AT HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS BETTER THROUGHOUT PLANO. AND THERE'S GOOD EXAMPLES OF IT WITH SO MANY THINGS HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I APPLAUD THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR IDENTIFYING THINGS TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IN PLANO. NOT REST ON OUR LAURELS. NOT KEEP SAYING, HEY, WE'RE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK HARD TO CONTINUE TO BE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. A SAYING I LIKE IS EVOLUTION ISN'T MANDATORY BUT SURVIVAL CERTAINLY ISN'T GUARANTEED. WE LOOK AT GREAT CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT ARE FALLING APART TODAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVOLVE. AND SO I THINK EVOLUTION IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK WE'RE DOING IT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH. I JUST -- YOU SAID WE HAVE 30,000 MORE HOUSING UNITS IN THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME? OR DID I MISHEAR THAT? >> YES, SIR, IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT'S NOT QUITE 30,000. IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNDER. >> Cary: HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE ANTICIPATE? ABOUT 2.5 PEOPLE PER UNIT, SED ON T INFMATI I SAW I THINK THAT'S CLOSE. IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY CORRECT. AROUND 2.5. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DEPEND UPON THE TYPE OF HOUSING. IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE UNITS FOR THE FUTURE, PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 11,100 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS AND ALSO ANOTHER 4700 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. AND SO THE SINGLE-FAMILY IS GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN WHAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN YOU TAKE AND ADD THEM TOGETHER, THE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER, GETTING CLOSE TO AROUND THAT 30,000. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AROUND -- LET'S SAY AROUND 14,000 MULTIFAMILY AND PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER 13,000 OR SO SINGLE-FAMILY. WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY YOU CAN PROBABLY SAY AROUND 2.5 BECAUSE WE HAVEHOSE TT ARE TRADITIONAL. WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE LEFT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LAND FOR THAT. A LOT OF IT IS HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO BE FOUND IN THE MIXED-USE ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY IS. >> Cary: RIGHT. >> THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE MULTIFAMILY, A LOT OF THAT TOO IS IN THE MIXED-USE ENVIRONMENT. AND WE BEING ABLE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THESE DIFFERENT UNITS BY LOOKING AT CENSUS DATA AND ZEROING IN ON WHERE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LOCATED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE. AND THAT REALLY TELLS US A STORY. >> Cary: AS I LOOKED AT THAT, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. AS WE LOOK AT IT, I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING SOMEWHERE 60 TO 70,000 MORE RESIDENTS IN PLANO OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO MAYBE THAT SOMEWHAT SOLVES A LITTLE BIT OF OUR SCHOOL DECLINE. WHO KNOWS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: I THINK YOU BRING A GOOD POINT TOO. IF YOU THINK ABOUT TODAY'S POPULATION AND GOING, WOW, WE'RE GOING TO ADD 60,000 OR 70,000 MORE PEOPLE. BUTHE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK LIKELY WILL EXPERIENCE A DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER UNIT, POTENTIALLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD 60 OR 70 TO THE TOTAL POPULATION COUNT. I THINK WE'LL WIND UP SOMEWHERE BELOW 370,000 PEOPLE. IT'S AN INTERESTING FORECAST. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. JUST KUDOS. WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. I'M KIND OF A NUMBERS GUY. ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME IN THIS REPORT ABOUT JUST THE VOLUME OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL HANDLE. IT OVERWHELMS ME A LITTLE BIT TH YOUAVE THREE NEW CASES A WEEK OF SUBMITTALS. I KNOW WE DON'T SEE ANYWHERE NEAR ALL THOSE. THE ONE THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT TO ME -- I DON'T KNOW WHO IS INCHARGE OF THIS -- BUT YOU'RE DOING 1,000 GIS UPDATES A DAY? 300,000 A YEAR? I MEAN, THAT'S A STAGGERING NUMBER TO ME. SO WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE. I JUST HAD TO POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. THAT'S A STAGGERING AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE SEE THE DUCKS PADDLING ON THE WATER AND DON'T REALIZE HOW HARD THEY'RE PADDLING UNDERNEATH. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE HOW HARD YOU'RE WORKING UNDERNEATH. THANK Y'ALL. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, I SAW YOU GET ALL EXCITED WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT POPULATION NUMBERS AND YOU DUG INTO THE REPORT. >> Bronsky: I WAS. WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH MR. BELL AND HIS TEAM FOR QUITE A WHILE. YEAH, ON PAGE 30 OF THE REPORT THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE A POPULATION ESTIMATION OF 331,000, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE 370. AND GIVES US SOMEOOM TO GROW. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> WE'RE STAYING CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS 144,400 HOUSING UNITS. IT ALSO SAYS A POPULATION OF 331,000, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. ARE YOU TRYING TO SPEAK? BECAUSE IT KEPT GOING ON AND OFF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE APPLAUDING PRIVATELY. >> Tong: I WISH I COULD DO THAT. [LAUGHTER] MY BUTTON HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM. IT WOULDN'T STAY ON. >> Chair Downs: IT WON'T STAY ON. >> Tong: SO I HAVE TO TRY A DOZEN TIMES. I JUST WANT TO ADD TO WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT REPORT. I LOVE NUMBERS, LIKE COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, I LOVE TO READ THE NUMBERS AND ALL THE STATISTICS. I KNOW THIS SAYS ANNUAL REPORT. I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION WHETHER WE HAD THIS LAST YEAR BUT I JUST LOVE IT A ALSO LOVE THE FORMAT OF IT. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. I LOVE HOLDING A BOOK AND READING IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. A LOT OF WORK. GREAT PRESENTATION. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GO HOME NOW BECAUSE I THINK -- THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM LEFT ON THE AGENDA. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 8. DISCUSSION AND ACTION: CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING - REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ADOPTING A BROADLY APPLICABLE PROCESS FOR MAKING DETERMINATIONS OF STATUS AS A NONCONFORMING USE OR STRUCTURE AND FOR APPEALING THOSE DETERMI APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERA. >> ALL RIGHT. THIS WILL BE A VERY QUICK REPORT. LAST WEEK YOU ALL HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT SENATE BILL 929 AND SO WE'RE JUST COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEED A CLEARER PROCESS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR DETERMINING NONCONFORMING USES AND AN APPEALS PROCESS FOR THAT. SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT PROCESS. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM. WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE AN UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE JUST TO CLARIFY THIS ISSUE. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS. >> Chair Downs: DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE? >> WE DON'T HAVE A DE. WE DO HAVE SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE DRAFTED SO I THINK WE WOULD ANTICIPATE NOTICING THAT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU FAIRLY QUICKLY. >> Chair Downs: DO YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME, THOUGH, AND SIMPLY CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET IT BE SET AT A LATER DATE? >> THE ORDINANCE STATES WE HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 36 DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CALLED, SO IT WILL BE AT LEAST 36 DAYS FROM NOW THAT YOU HEAR BACK FROM US. BUT IT WILL BE I THINK A FAIRLY SHORT AMENDMENT PROCESS. >> Chair Downs: ALL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. NOT REALLY DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT. I SEE ALL KINDS OF LIGHTS LIT UP. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S RELATED TO HOW WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FIRE AWAY. OTHERWISE, REALLY ALL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS CALL A PUBLIC HEARING SO STAFF CAN GET PREPARED. MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I MOVE WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> Olley: SECOND. >> Chair Downs: MR. OLLEY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM 8 WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY. PLEASE VOTE. >> [OFF MIC] [ LAUGHTER ] >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ALL RIGHT. I THINK OUR FINAL ITEM WOULD BE ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. MR. BRONSKY, YOUR MIC IS ON? OKAY. VERY GOOD. NO COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. OH. MICROPHONE. MICROPHONE. >> WITH REGARD TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMING BACK TO US ON JUNE 19th, IS THAT RIGHT? >> Chair Downs: THAT WILL BE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PARKS. >> THERE'SO NEED FOR US TO TAKE ANY SORT OF VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT. >> Chair Downs: NO ACTION. >> THE AGENDA SAID DISCUSSION AND ACTION. I WAS WONDERING WHAT ACTION WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE. >> Chair Downs: I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY ACTION ON THE PARKS. >> I DIDN'T THINK SO. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 9:15. THANK YOU. 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