Are you going to use that? >> Good afternoon and welcome to the 2:30 Wednesday, April 15th. It's public works committee meeting. I'm councelor Dector Wright. I'm calling this meeting to order. Item number two is a joint resolution of the city count the city council of the city of Tulsa Oklahoma and the board of county commissioners of county of Tulsa Oklahoma authorizing the sale and conveyance of certain real property located at 1520 north Hartford Avenue city of Tulsa Tulsa County Oklahoma by the city county library commission of Tulsa County and this is on for action tonight Mr. See this? >> Yes. Eric Nelson is here represents the library commission. >> Will you just join us right here? >> Thank you so much. >> Nice to see you. >> Great. Do you all have a presentation for us or you just here as a resour? >> Just here to respond any questions you might have. I think it's pretty straightforward request. Um the library commission five years ago began exploring the uh replacement of the existing Rutis Regional Library. Uh they selected a site in Greenwood uh just southeast of the OSU campus. Uh the building will be about twice the size of the existing facility. It's uh been under construction for about a year now and will open up in October of 2026. Uh so in LA late fall we noticed for public sale uh the existing facility with the proviso that we would continue to occupy it until the new facility was constructed and we moved. Uh we received one bid. The bid was uh acceptable to the commission and the commission voted to approve it and sign the contract. All subject to title and due diligence and this city council approval. >> Okay. Councelor Bellis, >> clarify question. I l looked at some of the we um thank you Sarah for sending us some of those background just kind of procedural documents. It said it was a blind bid. How does that I think. Am I right about that? >> Sealed bid. >> A sealed bid. Thank you. I was worried I was using the wrong What does that mean? Could someone tell me what that means? I'm sorry. just means that we put out a notice soliciting bids. >> Okay? >> And the bids are to be received by a particular date. >> Okay? >> They are opened and then they are referred to the city to I'm sorry to the library commission for action either acceptance or rejection. >> Okay? >> And under the city under the library commission's policy, uh they will they follow closely the school district's statutory requirements for the disposal of surplus property. They first had it appraised. They'll offer it for public sale. If they don't receive any bids that are acceptable, then they will be free to negotiate for private sale. They can post it with a real estate broker or do anything else to to sell the property. But in this case, the sealed bid process was successful. We received the bid and it wasn't acceptable. >> Thank you, >> councelor. >> Yeah. And then there's the procedure also that it has to be publish published, right? Correct. >> It's published in the Tulsa world. It's posted on our website. >> Okay. And that's 14 days. >> There's there's not a requirement in statute. It's only a board policy policy. >> So it has to be available for the public, >> right? >> Information public. >> Have councelor Gilbert and councelor Argie. >> Yeah. So um I also looked at the backup documents that Sarah sent very much. Um, so the sale was I mean there was it was a lengthy time period. Correct. I mean it was like six months or maybe not even that long but it was >> it was >> and it was last year 2025. >> Yes, it was in the fall of of 2025. I don't believe it was six month process but it was >> it was period of several weeks. Yes. >> Yeah. Several weeks or several I thought it was >> I believe that we started the process in in September, late September, October >> and uh we approved the contract on November 20th. So >> Okay. >> Two months. >> Okay. Okay. Um so this is a joint resolution, right, between the city of Tulsa and Tulsa County. The City County Library Act requires that before a city county library conveys real property, it obtain the consent of the board of county commissioners and the city council. >> But the money is not I mean the sale of the property is not going to the city of Tulsa or Tulsa County, right? >> No. >> Okay. >> Libraryies property library right >> receives the proceeds. >> Thank you. I just wanted just requires that that consent be there. >> We've gotten a lot of um emails and concerns with >> possibly misinformation or disinformation. So, I think we're just trying to clarify for ourselves >> uh what is and what is not required and and how it all went down. So, uh councelor Archie, >> um so you you say all the bids are gathered, but when you open the envelope, there was only one bid. Is that right? >> Well, the envelope would be from the bidder. We received one bit. >> Only one bit. >> Yeah. It wasn't a matter of opening an envelope and there's only one bid inside there. There would only be one bid inside, >> right? >> Um I have just a procedure. Oh, sorry. Are you still >> uh and so the this maybe tell me why the purchase price maybe I read it in here is is not disclosed uh >> in the joint resolution, right? >> Could have been the purchase price is 1.4 million. >> Okay. >> Did you see the backup document they sent? I >> had it's in there. It's in the resolution. >> Okay. >> And it says that the sales price is in excess of the appraised value as well. >> Okay. >> That was my question. Just to clarify, there was an independent appraisal conducted and this was all >> we had an Mi appraisal done. Uh we received that appraisal prior to soliciting bids >> and and we were very well satisfied with the results. Mhm. >> And just to clarify from the backup documentation, there were two ads placed in the Tulsa world >> on um October 24th and October 26, 2025. And this was also posted on the Tulsa County City Libraries website from October 20th to November 4th. >> And that's all 14 days. >> Yeah, that's all according to policy. So, um had a look at the new site. It's pretty exciting. It opens in October, I think. So, that's good. Council Lincoln. And all we're doing is approving the surplus of the property. We're not approving the purchase price or anything. >> No, you're just you're authorizing the library commission to sell the property. >> We can't sell the property without the consent of the governing bodies of the city and the county. >> Yes. But that's how narrow our scope is. >> Yes. Correct. And and counselors, if you'll remember, some of you I mean I think most of you were probably here or at least part of you were here when we had these come before you before for one time they sold prop. I think the library commission's on property in Jinx. I think last year or the year before there was a ground lease >> a lease and ao that's right for their new library. >> But if if the price was 200,000 or 200 million, it still not part of our action, >> right? It's the library's property, >> right? >> The commission. Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you. That's what I'm >> Yeah. clarifying their their procedures and >> um confirming for us that all of them were followed. Councelor Bangal, did you have anything to add or question? >> No, I I think I got some of the same emails you all did about a conflict of interest. Um, I think Jack, um, you might kind of explain how, um, how the property or who is actually the buyer of the property and how councelor Hall Harbor might be involved in this. >> Well, I don't know all the details of the organization, but I do understand there's an organizational interest that council councelor Harper has disclosed that she has an organizational interest under our ethics code. What that requires is that she recuse from any consideration of this matter which she's done. >> But she serves on a voluntary basis as an unpaid board member. Correct. >> That's my understanding. And there's no personal financial interest to her or immediate family. >> Perfect. >> In this transaction. >> Thank you for clarifying that vice chair. Okay. If there's not any further questions or conversation, we'll move on. Thank you for your time. Thank you. >> So item number three is a resolution declaring certain real property owned by the city of Tulsa located at 8320 South Vandelia Avenue, lot 22, block one, is no longer necessary for any public use or purpose. Declaring said property surplus and requesting the asset management department to affect the sale of said property. This is in district 8. And okay, I wasn't sure if it was Mr. Zachary or who was coming to talk to us about this. >> Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. Mike Spurlock, Asset Management. Um, item three and item four are actually neighboring lots. >> Should I read them together? >> Yeah. Okay. Item number four is a resolution declaring certain real property owned by the city of Tulsa located 8324 South Van Vandelia lot 21 block one is no longer necessary for any public use or purpose. Declaring said property surplus and requesting the asset management department to affect the sale said property also district 8. >> Okay. Okay. So, these were purchased in 2013 as part of the repair and stabilization of Yale between 81st and 91st. >> Um, 8320 is.24 acres was purchased for $23,000 and 8324 was purchased for $29,000 and is 36 acres. Um, the project is completed and they erected a large wall kind of separating Yale from these properties. now. So, city has no use for them and we are looking to sell. >> Okay. What side of the wall are they on? >> They are on the uh west. >> Okay. So, something good. Anybody got a conflict on this? >> You're If you're into rock climbing, you could have one heck of a rock climbing in your backyard. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's a big big wall. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm just trying to understand what they're who they're selling it to. or >> just whoever wants to come in and build right next to a wall. >> There's just um >> I don't know. How many feet of land did we take? >> 20 feet, 30 feet. >> We bought the whole lot, but we need for constructibility and we >> we ate into like 17 ft. >> Yeah. >> But when we were going to buy >> No, we're just >> It's a little pocket park or something over there. >> No, no, you can you can build a residence. >> Okay. >> Yeah. You just have 17 ft less worth of land than you >> previously had to build on. And now you have this huge wall as well. >> Make a great mural. I said that out loud. >> Well, it's on the >> There's the new courthouse >> private side. >> Yeah, I'm at the end of a culde-sac in the neighborhood. >> Perfect. >> It's not zoned properly, I'm sure. Okay. Any questions or concerns about the city's property being put into surplus? >> That's a problem. >> No. All right. Thank you. Item number five, license agreement between the city of Tulsa and Charles Frederick Foster the fourth and Jennifer Lee Foster for property located at 2323 South Delaware Place East Brim Mar division to install and maintain a decorative concrete driveway and sidewalk with the Romanite exposed aggregate finish within the street right away in district 4. >> My district loves fancy driveways. >> Yes, I don't even know if I could say all those words right. >> You do well. Paul Zachary Public Works. Um, this one's kind of nice. They came in before they built it. >> Yeah, congratulations. >> Council District 4 is out right out front leading. Um, so anyhow, yes, they are just doing a decorative sidewalk and uh part of their driveway and we just informed them that they would take on the responsibility of restoring it if for any chance that we needed to get into it for another rideway occupant and they're they're good with that. So, it goes all the way up. It's >> I'm going have to Google Brahmanite. It sounds fancy. >> It does. >> That's a council district 4. >> Is it sparkling? >> Probably came from crypto. >> Yeah, based on bro. >> Okay. >> Well, any um feedback from your community counselor on an exposed bromanite driveway? >> Not yet. >> Okay, great. >> All right. Thanks, Paul. Item six, ordinance amending the Tulsa Revised Ordinances, Title 35, Infrastructure Development, Chapter 2, Infrastructure Development Permit, Section 202, Contracts, Bonds, and Insurance Subsection B3B, Contractor's annual construction contract, bonds, and insurance to eliminate the requirement of a waiver of subregation endorsement on an owner's protective liability policy to clarify the requirement of written notice of cancellation and non-payment of premium. That sounds really exciting. Welcome to our table. Our office has worked with development services to evaluate some of our insurance requirements and identify areas that um may not be reflective of actual practice and we're need to clean up the language a bit and so that's what this is and I'm here for any questions. >> Great. Is this coming through the work councelor like that you and councelor Bush have been doing or is this something separate? No, it's separate. Okay. So you all just >> I was texting during the whole thing then on permitting and >> No, we have a we have some work left. >> Okay. Okay. Any questions on this adjustment to actual practices? Always a good idea. >> Sounds like less red tape and bureaucracy to me. >> Yes. You feel good about it? >> Yes. >> Okay, great. >> If you like it, I love it. All right. Any questions for number six? No. Thank you so much. What do we say? Um, process of continuous improvement at the city of Tulsa. I appreciate when staff kind of align what we require to actual world real world uh practices. Item number seven is a discussion and update with representatives from the Beyond Apology Commission regarding an overview of current efforts and activities brought to us by councelor Hala Harper who just left. But I see commissioners are here. Will you come to our table? >> Great. Hi. >> You can come up closer. >> Well, I council sit together. >> Is it just you two? >> Okay. However you want to do it. >> Good afternoon. Good afternoon. >> Welcome back to our table. Just for our friends at home, will you introduce yourselves and then we'll just turn it over to you. >> So, I'm Christy Williams and I chair the Beyond Apology Commission. >> I'm Matise Mason. and I'm the vice chair of the Bayana College. >> So the chair and vice chair, welcome. And it's been a while since we've seen you. So just give us the update you want to share with the council today. >> Yes. So our commission, we are really rocking and rolling. Um our committees which uh consists of housing and land um our health and wellness committee. We have an education committee who is doing amazing amazing work. Uh we have a policy uh commission and one of the things that we're doing on the policy commission committee um is we're wanting all of our commissioners to have conversations with the city councilors because I want them to see the movers and shakers on how to get things done and not where the commission is just a check the box type of thing but that there's work that you can do and having relationship with the city councilors is important if you're wanting to propose holds any policies or ordinance and things like that. You have to have those conversations with the counselors and and cultivate those relationships. And so we're trying to do the day at the city um which Bailey has been a great help trying to get some of those um meetings together on the schedule. Um and so one of the things that we've been talking about is how do we um create something which we're finding this to be an issue. So, I know pretty much if you've heard about the Vernon witness uh project, the interpretive center that we're doing at um historic Vernon AM church, the Melon Foundation has granted us $1.5 million. We also have the National Red Cross uh who is also giving will be giving us well I should say loaning us some artifacts and the doc the actual documents of the people they helped after the massacre. Um so that project is moving but what we're finding is through the artifacts that um Dr. Odali has found throughout Greenwood through her project called mapping Greenwood who happens to be a National Geographic explorer like I am. And um some of the things also when they built Langston Tulsa and when they built the Rut the um the Rutusa library and BMX they found a lot of artifacts but they didn't know what to do with them so they put them in a janitor's closet and so they just been sitting there. And so what we're finding now um as we're doing this interpretive center is that those artifacts because we did not and this is this is over 5,000 artifacts that has been sitting also in storage units as well because we don't have a place to preserve them and store them properly. And so that's where part of the funds from the Melon Foundation is helping with that. And it's very expensive by the way. Um I that money is like gone just just trying to just take care of those artifacts. So um there's a a bill called NAGPRA a federal law >> and that protects um indigen indigenous remains and also artifacts. Um we don't have anything like that for African-Americans in this in the United States. There's no law that protects artifacts when they're found or how they can handle remains because as you know each culture has a different way of izing those remains. We don't have that. And so there needs to be some type of city ordinance um to protect that, especially as we're pulling bodies from mass graves and as we're uh have development going on in Greenwood and other places. So what kind of protections are in place for those artifacts and things? So out of those 5,000 artifacts, we're only able to use about 30% of them because they've been so damaged. And so, um, it's not just about black history, it's history, and history deserves to be preserved, uh, so we can show them to generations to come. And so, one of the things that we're wanting to do is present an ordinance, um, about that. And I'm going to email you guys that ordinance. We've been working hard on getting the language somewhat right on how we want to do this just uh, for the city. I think this is a great thing for us to do. It's not a political thing. It's just a I think one of those things that's the right thing to do because there needs to be a procedure in place. So when people come across artifacts and things are not just trashing them or putting them where you know it's causing further damage to them, it should be a process that has to be done with that. And even like right now, we had to go to Oklahoma City to get them to hold artifacts until the construction is completed uh to put them there because there's just no place here in Tulsa that had even the room >> um to house those um artifacts for us. And so that is one of the things we're doing. And you want to talk about the summit? >> Sure. We're just so excited about u the opportunity we've had to have the National Reparations Summit here. Um, and really it's going to be a way for us to engage our city to inform about what is and what is not reparations. You know, because there is, like you said, misinformation about, you know, what does it consist of and how people and the city can participate in it in a responsible way. You know, I just think about when I have to come before my city council and people think that it's such a, you know, beereft type of situation, but you've always risen to the occasion and really looked out for the constituents in your district, which is which is the same as the constituents in our district. And we're just so excited to be able to, you know, have this u reparation conference. We have national all the national uh scholars in the reparation space is going to be here to really explain it. Not just because we're not wanting to just say this is this is what we think it is and this is what you owe us. >> You know we really want to have dialogue around you know how revelations even started in the Bible with the children of Israel because them magicians said take my jewels and go on. We going to make it right and go on. and how we've they and how they really wrapped wrapped their arms around like our Jewish communities with their reparations and have lifted them up into another level. And then even our our our Japanese uh citizens that were in the interament camps. So, we really want to just inform so people won't have, you know, a a misconception that this is a giveaway. >> And I just know how Tulsa is because I've been before you before with hard subjects and you've always risen to the occasion. And I I know that this is going to be the same thing. So if you guys are free please come and join us because it's some of the national speakers that we have Dr. George Degru and you know Cam Howard and of course Robin R Simmons who is like one of the architects of this uh mission is going to be there to really just pour into our community so we can see that by getting this repaired this city can move on to be the beacon that it really has the potential to be. And that's what we're excited about. We just want to thank you for your time and thank you for just, you know, having that open mind to just listen to it from with a different eyes, different ears, and a different perspective. You'll be surprised at what you learn. >> Remind us of the dates of the symposium. >> April 24th and April 25th. >> And where's the ticket? >> April 26th. That's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Sunday, we're going to end it in worship at Historic Vernon AM Church. Um the registration price is $1921. $1921. And one of the things that I want to mention is we're having a closed dooror session with elected officials and I've been making it clear I want Democrats, independents, Republicans to be a part of that closed door session because that's going to be led by Kenan Keller who served in the United States House of Representatives and he is like the legislative mind um who has worked with John Conurs and um President Obama and you name it um he's done it and so he is just amazing but he's going talk about ways uh that we can through legislation and policy on it doesn't always have to be um cash and that's a lot of times you hear people say I want my check but it's so much more than that right it's it's it's about policy it's about repair reparative things that we can do um at a local level um when we go to the um symposium and I invite everyone everyone should go to the symposium every year because it's amazing and it's not just black people it's all races of people who come together um and just learn and it's you have all the cities and all the um political like say um Democrats, independents, Republicans, they're all together there and it's just amazing um of the work that they're all are doing collectively. Uh but it's a powerhouse of resources and tools that we can use and I think it's be great for all of us to take part in that. So please come and if you just can just come on the first morning to welcome all these people who are coming uh from everywhere that would be great. I would love for you all to be a part to welcome them here. >> For my colleagues it's at um Langston Tulsa University >> and you should have gotten the commissioner sent us an email invitation for this session. So there's a link to um RSVP. >> Yes. Um, how many delegates from around the country are US expecting? >> I'm expecting at least 75 because I've reach I did a I did a reach out across of Oklahoma. Um, and so I'm hoping that I get that many, right? Um, so I because I really think it'll be a great and I I did a close session again because I wanted >> Sure. >> Um, everyone to just be comfortable and and you know without the the public being in there so you can have discussions and learn and then Saturday we're also going to have a a closer session with all the faith leaders as well and what their role can be and an engagement in this process as well. >> Okay. >> And the great thing about it is is that the whole the eyes of the whole world is on Tulsa right now. I'm not being facitious. >> I mean, I'm dramatic. Y'all know that before, but but facitious is what I'm not. And the whole eyes of the world is looking at Tulsa. We are a representative of what is possible without any boundaries. We're talking about not political boundaries, not ethnic boundaries, anything. When whenever Christy goes across the world, from Germany to Ghana to Chicago to Philadelphia, she just got back from Philadelphia. They're wanting to model their cities, conservative cities, we're talking about southern cities, we're talking about liberal cities, all after what's happening in Tulsa. So, I just am encouraged by that and I'm just excited for you guys being being able to be the counselors that's in position to carry us on through with that. >> Well, we appreciate the work you're doing. for the newer counselors. Beyond apology started around um the commemoration of the massacre in 2021 with the African-American with GTA affairs commission bringing us a resolution and then this body approving that resolution. Then there was another resolution and eventually the beyond apology community sessions happened that then um compelled Mayor Binham to put the commission together. So that's how we get here today and it'll continue on. It's exciting that um the symposium's here >> and that they're coming to learn from what we're doing and that we have a chance to learn from them. So, thank you for the work you do and um thank you for bringing up this is it called >> NAF NAFA >> NAFA >> NAFA and yeah and I I'll go ahead and send you that information. And I do wonder with our experts um at the Gil Crease and you know there's folks in town that know how to do this work and so we could just maybe connect as well Dr. Otawal to whoever at the Gilcree is doing preservation as well. Um, I know that they've been storing a lot of our artwork for a long time and getting ready to, you know, reopen Gil, but there's got to be some expertise in town as well. But the, um, ordinance, um, is a way that we can make impact. So, I'll be looking forward to seeing what you all bring to our table and we'll work through it. Yes, Councelor Bingle. >> I just have a quick question, Christie. 30, you can only use 30% of the 5,000. Give me an idea, and you don't have to be overly graphic, but what kind of >> artifacts are we talking about? >> Shoes, toys, bullets, um that date back in that era, um stained beautiful like stained glass, pottery, uh the blue and white china, >> um medicine bottles, um perfume bottles, um All of those things are uh there even some old business signs, the um 10 signs. We even found some really old um like CocaCola signs as well. Um and some are just eroded so bad we can't um Yeah, we can't restore uh some of those items. Um but there's there's tons of um tons of different kinds of artifacts uh that were found. Um and uh one of part of the toys was the spin tops. I don't if you remember like the little spin tops. U marbles um were found. Um jewelries, pieces of jewelry um were found. Um, and so all of these things that we finally got them all cataloged, but only, like I say, only 30% of those 5,000 artifacts is all that we can display because they're just so severely damaged. >> Okay, >> I appreciate that. >> And in case you didn't know, Vernon AM is going to have a interpretive center um slashmuseum. Like, how do you describe what that's going to be? >> Yeah. So, it's going to be an interpretive center museum. >> Oh, interpretive. >> And what makes it a museum is because of the artifacts that will be um marrying the stories that we're going to tell in this interpretive space. It'll have uh lighting, soundscaping. Um it's going to be absolutely beautiful. Um if you haven't been on the tour inside of the historic Vernon AM, there's a space that um we've kept original to the church. You You can see all the damage that happened from the massacre, including the result of the bombing that happened afterwards. And so all of that damage is still there. Dr. Owle calls it a gold mine in archaeology. And I said, "What does that mean?" And she said, "Well, everything is still fresh in that space and it hasn't been touched. You know, the elements haven't been there in that space, so everything is just still there." And one of the things is that uh what what they look for archaeologists is nails. And so they found these nails that and it helps predate things for them. But the nails in that space are handmade nails that is still holding up the church today. And um as as a scientist, she said I can't um say, you know, I she said I can't prove through physics how did the basement not succumb to the force of the bombing. Um because she said by physics it should have >> but she said I can't say it was God but she said I want to say it was God but I can't say it. And then the nails that are in that space, the force of the bombing bent all the nails back this way facing east. And so it's just a phenomenon of of >> how this is still there. And it is still holding up the church today. And architects come from everywhere to see this space and study it. We've had some from Australia come recently um and they are just um amazed about how did this stand and uh one of the guys he was just so intrigued by the way the bricks were laid and how the wall um took a lot of the force um from the bombing and their double layered walls and say which is very expensive to do in those days but the fact that it's still there it's which is why they've deemed the structure an artifact um a structural artifact in which Melon Foundation will be doing um a lot of videos of it here in the next couple weeks before so they want to you know so everyone can see what it was like before because it's going to be totally changed and even the chairs that are in the church today like when we were doing the mass graves investigation and um SM Jackson he was our head trustee at historic Vernon AM church and he is the one who embombed the 18 that we were originally looking for. And the Sunday following the massacre, Vernon had church and we had church on the chairs that he salvaged from his funeral home which was destroyed during the massacre. And so those chairs are still there. They're 110 years old. I always let people kind of sit in them when I do a tour. But the anthropologist and archaeologist said, "You're not going to do that anymore." So I So yeah, they're going to be preserved and encased. So um so that'll in June and so that's the last time anyone will be able to touch those chairs. We even have a Oregon played by Elvis Presley and people don't know that story but he came here and had a jam session with the Leon Robinson band and that ham and B3 is still there and so those things will be um >> and they they will be preserved and encased so we don't damage them. We didn't know we were damaging these artifacts that were still in the church but so those it it's going to look totally different. Um, so that's just some of the things um of the history there. So if you guys want to come and do a tour together, I would love to to give you that tour before it changes and and so you can see what it looks like before and take pictures. >> RSVP for the symposium that came through on Monday by email. you all are, the commissioners are setting up one-on- ones to visit with counselors individually and then you're working on a an ordinance that will make its way to us. Um, and we're coming up on the 105th centennial. So, you know, definitely take time to to visit this historic place that we are all stewarding. >> Yes. >> Uh, repair to have this ordinance vi. I think it'll be cool. We could get it done in honor of >> Okay, that's your time. >> All right, you better get it to our legal people. >> Yes. >> The wheels of government don't always turn so fast around here, too. >> That's right. Anyway, slow work. >> Councelor Balis. >> Oh, yeah. I was curious related to that. Are there um like examples of other cities that have done similar like kind of It's okay if you don't know, but I was curious about like that kind of local level. Hey, how do we protect these artifacts and Okay. >> Yeah. So, there are two archaeologists in New York, which Dr. Odow, she stopped me. She was like, "Christie, hold on because there's two archaeologists who have been trying to get this done at a federal level um for a few years now." And she said, "Cuz you don't want to, you know, reinvent the wheel, this kind of seed, >> but they did this after their um um the the African body uh burial ground in New York. >> And so, they were wanting to put something together um protect them. And then also trying to figure out a way of how do we still like honor um veterans who are um in these craz um they're not being in the in the way that it should be >> um as the no man left behind thing because there's still a lot of things that we have to do to put in place to give them the honor that they deserve as well. >> And so that's all a part of that. And I'll give you the name of that. They actually name for it, but I've met with them and so they're willing to kind of work together. But I told them I I want to do something on the local level, >> you know, um and then maybe later state >> uh level, but right now really just on a local level. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments for our commissioners? Thank you so much for the work you're doing and for taking time to visit with us. And with nothing further, we're returned. No. capital of the world. 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