Heat. Hey, Heat. Good evening and welcome to the 5:00 pm Tulsa City Council meeting. You can view this me meeting on our Facebook page, our YouTube channel, cox channel 24 or at tgvonline.org. Assisting the council tonight are Jack Blair, our city attorney, Lori uh Doring, our secretary to the council, and Bailey Rogers, council staff. If you wish to speak on an agenda item, please see Bailey to complete a request to speak card prior to that item being read. You will not be allowed to speak on any item that has already been read. Please join me in pledging allegiance to the flag of our country and remain standing for a moment of silence. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated. Please don't. Oh, I don't care. Um, all right. Uh, we do not have any proclamations tonight. No special presentation. So, um, announcements. 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Uh certain items we are subject to consideration and possible approval, adoption denial amendment or revision. But before I call the meeting to order, I want to recognize the Tulsa Youth Council that is here this evening with us. Um, if you guys would wouldn't mind come up to the podium. Uh, tell us your name and what districts you serve. Okay, >> you all just line up. >> I'll be shy. >> This is our special presentation. >> Hello, I'm Aaron Smith and I'm from District 2. Come on now. >> Hi, my name is Alisa and I am from district 3. >> Awesome. >> Hi, my name is Abenny Moraga. I'm from district 2. >> Hello, my name is Cynthia Espinosa and I'm from district 3. >> Hi, my name is Francesca Alina and I'm from district 8. Hi, >> my name is Weson Hood and I'm from district 8. Hi, my name is Bailey Garcia and I'm from district three. >> My name is Margaret Hernandez and I'm from district 4. >> My name is Evelyn Masaros and I'm from district 5. >> Yay. District five. >> Hello. My name is Johan Maru and I'm also from district 5. >> Awesome. And you are? >> I'm Erin Pley. District one. Yay. Um, you guys want to take a picture with the youth council? >> Yeah, you guys come on up. >> You guys have a talent release form signed at school. I'm sure if you guys want to line up in front of the railing >> you're late. >> I know. I know. Good. One, two, three. >> So, everyone introduce us and what district you're from. Wait until we're seated and then I'll >> Okay, we had one come in late. So, if you wouldn't mind come up to the podium, tell us uh your name and what district. >> Uh hi, my name is Mary Lkuma and I'm from district five. >> Yay. Okay, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, now I call this meeting to order. Lori, will you please call the role? >> Councelor Hall Harper >> here. >> Councelor Archie >> here. >> Councelor Bellis >> here. >> Councelor Gilbert >> here. >> Councelor Bengal >> here. >> Councelor Dr. Wright >> here. >> Councelor Leen >> here. >> Councelor Bush >> here. >> All right. Um item one, receipt and filing of minutes. We have none this week. Two appointments and reappoints. We do not have any uh three public hearings. None. Uh four, mayor's items for a report from the mayor or his designate on community events briefing on city activities, city efforts, and new business. The mayor is not here this evening, so we'll move on. Uh the remaining items 4B through 4E will not be read aloud. However, public comments will be received on these items. Do we have any speakers? >> We have two speakers. Our first speaker is John Huffiness for items 4 B, C, D, and E. >> Good evening, Mr. Huffiness. >> Good evening. Peace. Yes, peace. I'm thankful for our honorable leaders, council chair Karen Gilbert, honorable vice chair Christian Bingle, honorable counselors, staff, team, and security. We are thankful to the citizens of this great city of love, Tulsa, Oklahoma. It is a joy to be with you on this 28th day of January in the year of our loving Lord Jesus Christ, 2026. Agenda item 4B. This resolution affirms Tulsa's commitment to housing security by approving up to $2.8 million in downtown redevelopment funds to support new downtown housing, including affordable homes through partnership with the Tulsa Authority for Economic Opportunity. These resources strengthen development efforts. In this we see a gracious picture of our loving God who provides shelter, stability, and wise assistance, guiding communities as they build places where people can thrive and dwell in peace. I'm grateful for this plan and grateful for the taxpayers of our great city. God Almighty, we invoke your guidance. Agenda item 4 C. This change order authorizes $438,220 to replace aging brick storm water structures and piping along Udica Avenue, strengthening infrastructure so water flows safely and reliably. In a similar way, God's love and his holy word invite us to replace worn patterns in our lives with truth that supports growth and forward movement through the steady pipeline of the Holy Spirit. Hearts align, unity increases, and life flows with purpose, bringing strength, order, and direction. Agenda item 4 D. The National Fire Academy equips fire and emergency professionals with skills grounded in excellence, integrity, and public service. Values that align with biblical wisdom. Jesus Christ, the son of God, taught servant leadership and care for others, calling people to walk in light and truth. The RO772 fire investigation essentials course trains participants to seek clarity, preserve truth, and act with discernment, echoing scriptures called to walk wisely, and pursue justice. Through this preparation, Michael Rudik returns better equipped to protect lives, strengthen prevention, and serve with unity of purpose. In this work, training becomes a vessel for love in action, reflecting Christ's heart for communities to flourish in safety, order, and peace. Agenda item 4E. This item accepts a generous donation from the Tulsa Police Foundation to the City of Tulsa Police Department. A customized storage box valued at $10,145 for the community response team. This security this secure equipment solution strengthens readiness, protects essential tools, and supports officers as they serve across Tulsa. A strong police force benefits everyone by promoting safety, stability, and trust. Operating with strength and gentleness together helps maintain peace and order, serving neighborhoods with wisdom and care. Scripture affirms respect for authority, recognizing officers as ministers who serve the common good. God who is love invites prayer for all people and for those entrusted with leadership. Honoring and supporting law enforcement helps peace and order to flourish. Thank you counselors. >> Thank you Mr. Hines. Next speaker. >> Our next speaker is Aaron Pley for item 4B. >> Good afternoon counselors. I'll just make stuff available in case there any questions that you had about this project. But I'll give a quick overview and then ask answer any questions you may have. So 3D Flats is going to be an 80unit apartment building downtown. Third in Denver, seven stories, two stories for parking, about 50 parking spaces. This is a $2.8 million loan that has a six-year term and a 6% interest rate. 13 of the 80 units will actually be workforce uh affordable housing in that development. So with that, I will close and answer any questions you may have. >> Anybody? >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. President. >> Next speaker, please. >> There are no more speakers. >> Okay. Um is there council discussion? >> I just wanted to add to what u Mr. Pley just shared given our conversation last week. Someone had asked, you know, what AMI is and what workforce affordable means. So that's 30 to 80% of the area median income, which right now for a family of four is about $58,000. So we're talking that they will be priced for people earning between $18,000 and $40,000 to be able to afford to rent in the downtown core. So that's a lot of our service providers, um, social workers, public servants, people like that. So I know that we had discussed that last week. Hopefully that helps people kind of frame out um who those 13 units will be priced for. So I'd like to move to approve items 4 B through E. >> Second. >> Please call the role. >> Councelor Gilbert. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bengal. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Leaken. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bush. >> Yes. >> Councelor Hallford. >> Yes. >> Councelor Archie. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bellis. >> Yes. >> Okay. Items 4B through 4E are approved. Five authorities boards and commissions. 5A, resoning application Z7840 from AEG to RD and RS5 for property located at the northwest corner of 31st Street South and South 193rd East Avenue uh in council district 6. Do we have any speakers? And there are no speakers. Council discussion. Move to approve item 5A. >> Second. Please call the role. >> Councelor Gilbert. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bengal. >> Thank you, Nathan. Yes. >> Councelor Dr. Wright. >> Thank you. Councelor Bengal. Yes. >> Councelor Le. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bush. >> Yes. >> Councelor Hall Harper. >> Yes. >> Councelor Archie. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bellis. >> Yes. >> Okay. Item 5A is approved. Six. Uh ordinances first reading. The following items in this section of the agenda will not be read aloud and without objection item 6A will be forwarded to the next council meeting for action. Seven ordinances second reading 7A resoning ordinance Z7841 from RS2 to RM2 for property located west of the southwest corner of East 19th Street and South 85th East Avenue. Uh B, ordinance amending the fiscal year 2020 2526 budget to make supplemental appropriations of $30,000 recognized from grant revenues to be received from the Cortez family foundation grant award within the social and economic development non-federal grant sub fund. C. Ordinance amending the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget to make supplemental appropriations of $157,000 recognized from unappropriated fund balance within the cultural culture and recreation non federal grants sub fund. D, ordinance amending the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget to make supplemental appropriations of $825,400 recognized from unappropriated fund balance within the sales tax redevelopment loan repayments fund. E. Ordinance amending the Tulsa Revised Ordinances Title 51 Building Co. Chapter 1, ICC International Building Co 2018 edition adopted section 101, amendments of the International Building Code 2018 edition by adding subsection 305-2-4 and deleting subsection 305-2-5 to align within state law which allows licensed family child care homes and large family child care homes to comply within the international residential code and operate without an automatic sprinkler system. This item carries the emergency clause. Do we have any speakers? We have one speaker, Cindy Decker, for item 7E. >> Good evening. I'm Cindy Decker, executive director of Tulsa Educare, and I'm so glad to see this item on the tonight's agenda. Agenda item 7E represents important progress for family child care providers and for the children and families they serve. Local action like this matters. It sends a clear signal that Tulsa values and supports child care providers. Family child care homes are essential to Tulsa's child care system. They're deeply rooted in culture and community, and they provide trusted care in the neighborhoods where families live and work. They also offer flexibility early mornings and late evenings that many working families cannot find elsewhere. This vote reflects more than three years of sustained collaboration. In 2022, Tulsa Educare raised concerns with councelor Hall Harper that the city's zoning code did not provide a clear pathway for family childare homes. The city agreed to review the code and that began a long productive process. We're deeply grateful for the collaboration of the council, Susan Miller and Austin Chapman at the Tulsa Planning Office, the planning commission, and the board of adjustment. At a time when collaboration can be difficult, this process stands out as people with different perspectives working together to solve a real problem. Even after those successes, large family child care homes still faced a barrier. The requirement to install automatic sprinkler systems. We now I also want to call out the leadership of councelor Bellis and councelor Dector Wright for staying engaged in helping address this issue. If item 7E passes tonight, family childcare homes will finally have a clear and workable path to receiving a city permit. At a moment when many providers are under real financial strain, this vote sends a powerful message of local support. Tulsa Educare currently supports more than 100 family child care providers right here in Tulsa, and we look forward to continuing to support them as they navigate the city permitting process. Thank you for your leadership and your commitment to child care in Tulsa. >> Thank you, Bailey. Do we have any other speakers? >> There are no more speakers. >> Okay. Is there council discussion? >> Before we vote, I do just want to thank everyone for continuing to engage in what's been a really lengthy process. Um, and of course the, you know, the community for sticking with it and advocating and I know it's left so many of these critical child care providers in limbo for quite some time. So, I'm so grateful for the community's patients. Um, and I want to flag that I'm so glad that we're about to hopefully support this tonight because child care centers in across the whole state are being forced to shut down right now because of state funding cuts and anything we can do on the local level to support child care access right now is incredibly critical. So, I really appreciate u my colleagues for sticking through this lengthy process and then of course the state legislature for also taking up this issue last session. This has been a long haul. Um, and I know it's not glamorous because it's building code, but it does make a big difference. So, thank you everybody. >> Councelor Bengal. >> Yep. I totally echo your sentiment. Great work to our counselors that have stuck with this. So, that's life impacting for citizens all across Tulsa, especially with uh the challenges of finding health or child care, excuse me. Um, my kids are all grown, so I don't know the challenges that exist today that didn't exist yesterday. Just as equally impactful, since we have our youth council here, some of these folks that are sitting here, uh, agenda item C is also impactful. um Hicks Park. Uh that parking lot, if uh you young people have went to that park to participate in any recreational activities, know what a challenge that parking lot is and uh it's got an inclusive park playground on it now. So, um it's nice to see that quality of life is impactful and hopefully you're seeing that um in some of these things that we're doing here tonight. So, both of these I think are highly impactful to our community. So, thank you, >> councelor D. >> Thank you. I'd just like to add when you hear the things we're talking about tonight, we're talking about years and years and years of work advocacy. It starts with you all to bring us the challenges, the needs, and then it we have to work through funding mechanisms, sometimes the state change. And so I did want to uplift thank you to Representative Suzanne Shriber and um >> Ron Stewart >> and Representative Ron Stewart for also bringing this to the state level. It obviously now will um impact communities across the state. Obviously the city of Tulsa being the second largest, we have um a lot of need and so I hope that we continue to refine and have these conversations and thank you for acknowledging how long it takes and how long we just have to stick with it. Um, a lot of the items you see here are years and years and years of ideiation and going back to the drawing board, finding the funds, Hicks Park, right? Um, we talked about that two capital packages ago. So, we're excited to finally see these things come in. And for our youth council, the things we're talking about today as just new ideas may take three or five or 10 years to get to where we're actually taking a vote. But keep showing up, keep speaking up, and we need your new ideas. Sometimes we visit an idea and it's not the right time to be a priority, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. So with that, I'd go ahead and make a motion to approve items 7A through 7E with the emergency clause on 7E. >> Second. >> Lori, please call the role. >> Councelor Gilbert, >> yes. >> Councelor Bengal, >> yes. >> Councelor Dr. Wright, >> yes. >> Councelor Leaken, >> yes. >> Councelor Bush, >> yes. >> Councelor Hall Harper, >> yes. >> Councelor Archie, yes. Councelor Bellis, >> yes. >> Okay. Items 7A through 7E are approved with the emergency clause on 7E. Congratulations. >> Madam Chair, I apologize. We may need to go back to item 5A. I I understand there's an optional development plan now in that matter. So, what I might suggest is that uh someone might consider a motion to reconsider item 5A and amend the motion previously adopted uh to add the optional development plan as included in backup. >> Okay. Is there a motion to reconsider item 5? >> Can I make it in one motion like you just said, Jack? Okay. Move to reconsider item 5A and >> approve it. approve it with the optional development p plan as uh listed in the backup documentation. >> Second. >> Okay, Lori, please call the role. >> Councelor Gilbert, >> yes. >> Councelor Benel, >> yes. >> Councelor Dr. Wright, >> yes. >> It's me. I'm Yes. >> Councelor Le. >> I didn't know where we were. Obviously, we were talking. Yes. >> Councelor B. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Archie. Yes, >> council. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um, item 5A has been approved with the backup uh material attached to it. So, all right. Are you guys ready to move on? >> Okay. I don't know. >> We can move on. >> All right. Item eight, council items. Council, I'm sorry, 8A. Uh, counselor's announcements and reports on current community events, activities, efforts, and concerns. Other than announcements and reports, no discussion uh will ensue. Anybody have announcements? >> I have one. >> Councelor Archie. >> All right. So, I want to invite everyone this coming Tuesday um to join us at the Paige Belture Golf Course. We were supposed to have this uh meeting yesterday, but because of the um weather, it had to be postponed. But there's a um uh project uh potentially coming to the corner of 71st and Union. And before we move forward with uh with any um discussion in committee, I want to have a community conversation about it. And so uh join us at Paige Belture Golf Course. We're going to be in the um the uh clubhouse there and uh it's going to be at 6 p.m. and join us. Uh come with your questions. the developer will be there to give a presentation and um we want to see your face in the place. >> No ice. >> You can wear your golf hat if you want with a little ball on top if you'd like. Um I'm not a golfer, but it's a cool environment. >> We all need to see it. >> So, all right. Any other announcements? All right. Um 8B, consideration and possible approval of city council initiation of amendments to the neighborhood infill overlay, also known as NIO. Uh text and expansion of NIO zoning map boundaries for portions of the city uh council districts one and three. Uh do we have any speakers on this item? >> We have two speakers, James Alexander Jr. and Bernice Alexander for item 8B. >> Good evening, Mr. Alexander. >> Good evening, council. Good evening, everyone else. uh when it comes to things that uh affect my neighborhood or where I have a house, especially North Tulsa, I want everybody to know that uh this neighborhood infield overlay, ever since it was presented to the council, by the council, what however it was presented, I have been against it Because when you look at where you live and you understand what is available where you live and those things are not being done where you live, there is a problem and you should come up here to the council and deal with it like I have been doing since 19 93. That's a long time. and I haven't fulfilled my uh thing of ending what I feel is a problem. And the problem is that the whole of Tulsa is not being uh how can I put this? It's not being played on the same level. The field is being tilted. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Playing any kind of sport Okay. Now, when you talk about this infield right now, you talk proposing for other uh areas. Now, you it's one and three now. Now, you have Dawson is included in the area, but it was separate from everything else. I read the background and when you dealing with the uh where you live, understand what's supposed to be in that area. what's supposed to be in this area is not what's going on with the city council. And I blame myself and I blame the people that are supposed to be leaders in that area, not doing what they're supposed to do and letting the city take over the area. The city is taking over the area. As you look at North Tulsa, District 1 and the houses that they're putting over there, they don't fit in with the uh core of the neighborhood. We have one purple house is built like a box. It is so out of place over there. If anybody that been in North Tulsa on Virgin has seen this purple house, it is ugly. It is a ugly house on a main thorough affair. This is what I'm talking about. It does not go with the community. And that's the problem I have. Now, I know this overlay is confirmed to the uh size of the lot or area. But the problem is that uh I am so upset I can't hardly talk. And that's unusual. I don't usually get upset but this area that I'm talking about is entitlement area set up by the federal government and has a plan. Since 2018, there has been no plan set up by for that area, which is a problem. And you still receiving the money for the area with no plan from the people that live in the area. Now, who doesn't think that a problem? If you had, let's think about it for a minute. If you lived in an area, certain things were supposed to come in that area that has not been coming, what would you do? Would you sit there and let things go on like they are, or would you get off your butt and come up there and do something about it? I intend to keep fighting. I'm going to win this fight. I have never been in a fight that I haven't won. Never been in a fight that I haven't won. I'mma win this fight. >> Good evening, Miss Alexander. >> Good evening. And I pass. >> Thank you. Is there a council discussion? >> Yep. Sorry, Council Bellis. >> Oh, yeah. I just want to clarify since we have uh the youth council with us as well. um what that these zoning this is just initiating the beginning of a process that can include a good amount of community engagement um that'll include of course the planning commission as well to do an overlay that allows for some infill housing to happen especially on vacant lots. It already exists in my district and has been really successful at helping support different types of housing and affordable housing to go in um and meet a lot of our housing need. um it hasn't disrupted neighborhoods and of course you can paint a house purple at any point in a lot of neighborhoods in the city. My daughter loves that house. But um but this is just to say that what's happening here is something that we have precedent for um in a lot of the neighborhoods surrounding downtown already and it's been a really successful zoning change. So it's not um doing something without community. This is initiating a process that that then involves community along the way. >> Any other council discussion? I would just add to what councelor Bell has shared. Infill means where there's empty space, an empty lot that instead of just replacing a single family home, maybe a duplex could go in a triplex, something different than what our zoning code has historically allowed. Um, and that's good for families like mine that's multigenerational. I'd love to have a duplex or a triplex to accommodate everyone than one one big house. So, um, as councelor Bellis said, we started this in 2022 with the near down near downtown neighborhood infill overlay. I think councilors Hall Harper and Dutton saw what was successful and um have asked to now initiate a little bit more of a a application into their parts of town. And then, as Mr. Alexander um shared there is already a similar thing with a little bit more customized provision because they went through a community-led process in Dawson which is in district 3 northeast Tulsa. I regret that councelor Dutton's not here with us tonight. I know she would be um very much strongly advocating for this. So if there's no further discussion, I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve item 8B. >> Second. >> Lori, please call the role. >> Councelor Gilbert, >> yes. >> Councelor Bengal, >> yes. Councelor Dr. Wright, >> yes. >> Councelor Leak, >> yes. >> Councelor Bush, >> yes. >> Councelor Hall Harper, >> yes. >> Councelor Archie, >> yes. >> Councelor Bellis, >> yes. >> All right. Item 8B is approved. Nine, new business. There are no items this week. 10, um, appeals. 10 A, hearing and possible action upholding or denying an appeal to the city council request requested by Mr. Adatula contesting the decision of the nuisance hearing officer and nuisance case number 116646- 2025 finding that the property located at 5707 North Frankfurt Avenue Tulsa Oklahoma is a public nuisance and ordering its abatement that uh city council may reverse or affirm wholly or partially or may modify the order requirement decision or determination appeal build from and make and they make such order, requirements, decision or determination as ought to be made. Uh we will hear from the representatives from the city of Tulsa. Um during your time, please include a summary of the administrative hearing outcomes and since this item uh was continued, provide a status update on violations. We will give code enforcement 10 minutes and then we will have uh the Mr. Adatula come up for 10 minutes. So code enforcement if you want to come on up and tell us give us information. >> Good evening councilors. I'm Kevin Cox with city of Tulsa code enforcement department. Uh this case originally began in October of 2025. uh evaluation of the property. Uh determined um violations consisted of of um trash, junk, and debris, uh unsecured structure, an inoperable vehicle. Um other investigation findings found that the structure was uh deteriorating. Uh was in a state of neglect and um uh therefore our department issued two separate notices. one for demolition, one for uh the nuisance for the trash unsecured and the inoperable vehicle. Um on the 13th of October, our department made a reinspection of the property, found that the nuisance violation had been corrected by the property owner. So the car had been removed, the house had been secured, the debris had been cleaned up, and that case was subsequently closed with no further action. On the 22nd of October, a p administrative hearing was held. Uh the property owner was present at the time. Um city gave um photographs and and documentation to the hearing officer outlining the condition of the structure and and why we felt that the structure was in a dilapidated condition. Uh the hearing officer did sign the order of abatement at that time declaring the property a public nuisance. Uh during that time at the public hearing, um we gave the property owner a resource guide um outlining various organizations um on on if he could contact them and see if there was any other resources available to try to rehabilitate the structure. And while we're talking about rehabilitating the structure, that is our primary goal for the dilapidated structure team is to get houses rehabilitated back online. It's not to demolish them. uh we we would much prefer working with the property owner, bring the property in compliance and getting it rehabilitated and again back online. Um on November the 3, uh an appeal was um filed with the city clerk's office and our case for the demolition was subsequently put on hold. Um in the presentation uh that was outlined or given to you all um outlines all the codes from not only title 24 of the city revised ordinance but uh title 11 uh the Oklahoma state statutes, title 55 of the property maintenance code and kind of outlines the specific codes and guidelines where when we make evaluations of properties, we take all of these into effect to make a determination before we even take it to a hearing officer. and present that evidence and ultimately the hearing officer listens to both sides and then makes their own independent um decision on whether the property is a uh public nuisance before they sign that order. So there's some photographs in the packet that was provided. These were just some outlines some of the conditions of the property when we did our inspections. um things that we could see, the rot, the decay. Uh at the time there was a hole in the roof. The owner has subsequently patched that hole in the roof, but during some of our inspections there were holes in the roof and then the conditions of the interior and the exterior of the property. Um during the uh the appeal, the the owner uh made the assertion that the demolition codes were were applied incorrectly and interpreted um uh incorrectly in his situation. Our our um assertion is is that the appellant was properly notified. Um given an opportunity to appear in front of a public hearing officer. Um the prior uh the hearing officer or the the property owner was also emailed and also given uh information not only at the hearing but prior to the hearing of a repair assistance, our demolition incentive program, uh contractors uh and a list of investors in the area. if if uh he chose to go any anywhere route. We we always try to provide as much information uh that we can to each property owner. Again, it's it's it's an attempt to work with property owners to get the houses rehabilitated is our first and and primary uh goal. Uh again, the appellant did attend the public hearing, discussed uh his plans, concerns, and was given uh uh extensive resource list for for potential assistance. Uh the uh the appellant uh did send in photographs showing that the the uh hole in the roof was repaired. Um and again the property was secured clean by the property and owner. So we always appreciate that voluntary compliance. So um we were able to close that aspect of our case. Um since that time um there has been no real change to the condition of the structure. Um there's no permits on file as of yet. Um so again, we're asking that the the appeal be um uh denied and and the assigned order upheld um and giving the opportunity for for us to work with the property owner to get the property um you know a construction schedule outline dates and times of when things would occur so we can work with the property owner and make sure that the property stays on track in order to get um rehabilitated. And with that I will answer any of your questions or Thank you. >> All right. We will now hear from the appelllet during your time. Uh please include a summary of errors you believe were made during the administrative hearing and provide a status update on violations. Yeah, come on up. >> Do you need a chair? Maybe at the microphone. >> Crutches are rough. Do you want a chair? >> If I had you, I'll let you. >> Are you sure? Okay. Please let us know. Good evening, councilors. >> Good evening. You have 10 minutes, sir. >> Okay. Um, I don't know where to begin. This property was stolen from me. Okay. And the lady that stole the property, she made a quick claim deed back in 2019. Okay. And then um she got in start moving stuff, you know. So my neighbor called me. So when they call me, I went there. I saw her. I called 911. Okay. When the officer came, she showed them quick claim deed. They said, "Well, okay, there's nothing we can do on it." She had a quick claim deed. I said, "No. this property is stolen. I didn't authorize. I didn't do no quick indeed or nothing. You know, they said, "Well, that's nothing we can do. That's a civil matter." I said, "No, a crime is committed." You know, she said, "I sold her the property for $8,000, which I did not." And then you can't do quick claim deed when you're not a family member. You have to foreclose. They said, "Well, uh, we checked this." You know, the police officer said, "Well, we check it has county assessors on it. That's good enough for us. You know, you got to leave." So, I left. So, then I went home. I said, "Well, no, I don't think they're going to make a report." So, I made I made a supplement report. Okay. Nothing was done about Barry. Then she saw my Jaguar, my recorder. I made a report on it. Thank God I have Officer Floyd came. He took the report. So something was done about it. So we went to court. Then the judge because they already changed the title, everything, you know. So the judge reversed it and gave me ownership of the car and the record but the house nothing is done about it. So when I went downtown again where you file your document you know so I told them they said well they look at it they say well this fraudulent but what we do is just file we don't be checking you know then I said well if somebody come here with um with a booger say you guys just file it. They said, "Yeah, you just need to make a report." As I made a report, the police department is the one that send me over to you guys, you know. Okay. Then I said, "Well, okay, that's a criminal deal." They said, "It's a serial." I don't think it's a serial because this lady took my house. And then when I saw I saw the damage they did to my to my house, this house that my son My son got killed close by there. I wouldn't leave that house, you know, because I keep thinking he's coming back. They finally drag me out of there because so that I don't commit suicide, you know. Then this lady took my house. I can't do nothing about it. Yeah. And when I I got to be a lawyer by you see I made the report I did everything. Nothing was done on it. They keep telling me it's a civil. I don't think it's a civil matter. And then when I look at it when I got there they check my ID. If they had run his that lady's ID they would I know that she's she got all the fraudulent fraud all kind of thing you know. But they didn't do that. They just say, "Well, you know, it's a super matter go back." That's what we here today. If if that lady w so she seeed showing that she owns the property, you know. So what I did was so when I went downtown, they said, "Well, what you can do is you can transfer ownership, you know." I said, "Really?" So I was right there. Then we went ahead. I transferred the ownership. back in 2022 to Joseph Foundation because I felt there's no way anybody can steal something that is the foundation there, you know. But since then the neighbor will complain that you got a homeless people, they go through the roof, they can't be in there because it's boarded up, you know, everything, you know, and things like that, you know, that's just consistent thing that I've been going through, you know. because I was sick spent it's just God grace that I'm still here you know too much in the hospital you know and then I was really disabled I couldn't walk you know but God grace you know now I can get away from the wheelchair and things like that to see people doing you know just it's just don't go for, you know. So then the city when I went there, they said, "Oh, we're going to work with you." Okay. After they walking with me, the next thing I knew, they file a lean on the property. They ain't done nothing. And I had it, you know, because what happened was when I did a a transfer the ownership, you know, they said, "Well, we're going to notify you if there's anything into your to your property, you know." So then I find out they they did a quick quickly, you know, they find a lean. Then I said, "Well, okay, these people said they were going to work with me. What's all this now? I can't get no help with a lean on the property, you know. There's nothing I can do. So, apparently they want to demolish the house regardless, you know. So, I felt, you know, it's not right. That's the reason why I appeal, you know, to have somebody else to take a look at it, you know. We I still have a ownership deal. They send the same thing that they sent me. They sent it to the lady. She didn't show up. I thought she would show up. No, she No. So, how are you working with me and you got a lean? How am I going to get help? There's a lane in the house. I can't do nothing. >> So, >> sure. Are you done or you have more to present to us? >> Well, I just have all the paperwork, you know, that I have, you know, if you guys want to take a look at that. And then I have all that, you know, and I have on the car situation. So I knew the police can do something about it because they were the one, >> you know, it was officer Floyd that made a report on that one, you know. So, you know, they filed a report, you know, we went to court and then they were able to I think last year to October, that's when the judge gave me ownership, you know, all of the two vehicles back, you know, but they did not do the paperwork on the house because, you know, they weren't done. But on the other one, You know they did that. You know if they had done the same thing with this I would have have more grounds to do my house. So what I can do is secure I can do nothing more because of this quick claim deed you know. >> Okay. >> All right. If you want to take a seat. >> Okay. >> And then uh you can sit right up there. Does do your questions have to do with him or with code enforcement? >> Okay. But it's probably better. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you can bring go ahead and bring that on up for him. >> We're going to get you a handheld microphone so you can have a seat. There we go. >> Okay, Kevin, stand by because I think it's just going to be some back and forth. So, um, Mr. Adatula, so you went to court and all of that. You you now have deed back of your property, correct? >> No, no, no, no. They they didn't f the only one I got back that they went to court and it's on the cars. I got the cars back. >> So, >> I got the I got the they gave me authorization to get go get the cars back. >> Get the cars, but the house is still in the woman's name. >> Is that what you're saying? >> The cars. >> The house. >> Yeah. where the house has kind of techn you know she went they won't file a report right so when I went to the assessor so you know and I told them they said well they look at it they say oh well this look fraudulent you know but there's nothing we can do you know right >> okay so I said well they say you both you guys name my name and he hers I said well she's trying to sell it you know so they said well you we we don't advise nothing. So I told I said well if I was to sell the property you know can I do it? They said well hey you know you you know so right there in their at the assessor's office. So I had quick claim to the foundation you know to stop her but you know she still we didn't you know her uh deed is not recalled you know it's still active you know she still got a quick deed that she did >> who Kevin who are we notifying for abatement on this property it has to be the property owner >> we notified uh four separate addresses people so Mr. uh the foundation that Mr. Adatula So the Joseph foundation >> what's the foundation >> Joseph uh Joseph Adatulla Foundation >> oh you're a foundation okay >> so we also notified um u an address u Mr. Mr. Tul's address on on Poria and and then also Joseph uh Foundation on actually at the actual address at at 57 but there was another interested party that is listed in Tulsa County Land Records and we also made notice to that person as well. Is this the woman the same person that they're reflecting? So Mr. Tul and I before the um the meeting tonight started discussed that and um you know my suggestion to him was to either seek legal counsel on on what steps they would have to do in order to get that name removed um and also possibly uh contact uh legal aid of Oklahoma and see if they can get some legal advice on what steps in order to get that person's name removed off of that title. Uh it's not something we the city could do. Um so it it would have to go through some type of >> um courti like what civil matter. Yes ma'am. >> Okay. So we're here about the abatement. >> Yes ma'am. >> And the hearing officer said what? >> The hearing officer declared the property a public nuisance >> so we can abate it. Not demolish it but give him time to make the repairs. So, so in the in the signed order, it gives the property owner um as it reads 30 business days in order to come up with a plan of action. Obviously, when we work with property owners, we go far beyond the 30 days of repair. Um so, what we're what we're asking for tonight is is is to start working towards submitting that plan. Okay. Um you know, Mr. Tula's timeline so we can start coming up so he can start coming up with a plan on how to rehabilitate the structure and then we can structure our inspections based on uh on you know his his goals on on getting it towards rehabilitating. So, I I know he's got um with this issue that I learned this evening as far as the another name on the title, there are some issues that that um I understand that he he will need to get corrected and and because it does clout the title. Um and I can 100% uh you know, understand that. So, we'd be more than happy to work with him during that time frame while he's trying to get those issues resolved and holding on our enforcement until as as long as we can, you know, continue to see that he's he's trying to get that that issue resolved, then we can work on to, you know, the construction schedule because of the timing. >> But the clouded title issue does not preempt or stop the work of bringing the property into code. We can move you can move forward with him on that side. The civil matter is is a civil matter. Am I interpreting that correctly, Jack? But we have a a decision because that was made that we need to vote on tonight to get this taken care of. Right. The decision and then we can move forward with you all working together and bringing the the property in into code. Right. >> Yes, ma'am. Again, you know, again, our goal is is to to work with Mr. Atula to come up as he comes up with the construction schedule and work with him during those time frames and and um and you know >> so right now demolition is not we're not talking about demolishing anything. We're talking about him working to bring it back up to code. >> That that is the goal. Yes, ma'am. >> All right. Okay. Uh we have a couple other So don't don't leave. >> Um councelor Bellis and then councelor Bengal. >> Yeah. Um I think I'm trying to just make sure I can understand or clarify um based on whatever is going on with so the just to triple check that I understand who currently has the deed for the property. >> So the foundation so Tulsa County uh assessors and treasurers office list um the Joseph Adatulla Foundation as the property owner. Okay. When when we do our legal research, we go through all various records that are available in the clerk's office. So, we'll find things like mortgage companies, other less or other interested parties. So, this name that Mr. Adulu is is talking about did come up in our in our legal research. So, anytime we find a name, whether it's a bank, whether it's anybody involved with the property, we always make notice to again trying to notify everybody that's involved as a requirement by ordinance, but also it's a, you know, hopefully the ability to uh contact somebody so we can start working with them. So, but in this case, you know, again, just learning before the meeting regarding um the other interested party. Um that's why I encourage you know contacting for Mr. Atula to contact a lawyer or legal aid of Oklahoma so he can he can learn his legal rights on as far as um that civil matter issue. >> Yeah I have seen this quick clay lean issue come up before with you know tried to see how the city could help someone remedy that and per what you were describing. I know it's like a civil litigation matter at that point >> and and that's part of that resource guide that we give give out to to citizens when we're trying to work with them and on getting houses rehabilitated. It's a it's an extensive list and and but it it does cover um you know legal aid or if you have legal questions you know who who you who who you could reach out to um you know and and but also has other organizations that may help out as far as rehabilitating the structure. Um and and just it's it's just a a long extensive list that we we provide um when we're working with citizens and trying to get properties brought back into compliance. >> Yeah. And I for what you're I'm glad you all are doing that education because I do think people sometimes have I've seen this happen before where someone gets you know some you know things get legally people get taken advantage of or things like that. Um this is a question for um Mr. added. Um sir, with what they're requesting you to do, right, if they're not demolishing the house, but there are things to do to come into compliance um with the timeline that's given or maybe the financial things that would require are are those things feasible for you? Is it a hey, I'll do these things to fix up the property, but I need more time, or is it a financial hardship? Could you tell us a little bit more about if you're you feel like you're trying to fix those things? It's just that it's a you need more time or the dollar amounts to like is something that's hard for you to access right now. >> Okay. Um one I have financial hardship but the new according to the everything is corrected. It was bought up. It was cleaned up. And they took it up. But they still want to demolish. So I said, "Why? Why? Why did demolish when the the whole it was two?" They said me two things, you know, clean up, you know, not Republicans and secure the building. Okay. Then the next thing they going to demolish. So they took off the h the nuisance, you know, it's done. The building is secured. Okay? For you to demolish a building, you had to, you know, I'm saying is it don't fall into that category anymore because it's secured. It's bought up. So the hole on the roof is fixed. So there's no element going inside the house anymore. So coming to demolish is should have been off the table. But they went ahead and put a lean on the house without not even doing anything. I have it to send a lane. Okay. So but they keep telling me go get this help but you put a lane on the house. So how am I going to be able to get any help? You just t my hand behind my back. you know, so you know, helping me, but still I fix everything that they said they need to make the structure sound. The structure is okay. So there's no any um maybe health has that you know because it been more than 30 days now we ain't here, you know. So everything is fine. It's secure. There's no rain in the house anymore. Everything is fine. I fix every trim. I did all that but still our deal my deal is why you going to h demolish a structure that I'm paying $54,000 on property tax on and you all want to demolish it and they said they would charge me $8,000 to do that. So they're not working with me. They saying all this thing that when I went to the hearing it was the same thing. Oh, we work with you and everything like that. Then when I got home, I find out they put it in. So I I I don't understand. >> Okay, that's Thank you. Could you would you mind clarifying or >> So yes. Uh so there were two separate notices sent out. Um because there's two separate processes. The the first notice that went out was to secure the property because it was found unsecured, clean up the trash, junk, and debris, and remove the inoperable car. that was done and our case was closed. The second notice was based on the evaluation that we made and the condition of the structure being in what we felt at the time um based on the photographs we take we took and what we could document and and and lawfully see um was the deterioration of the structure we believe that felt into the dilapidated condition based on uh the various codes and ordinances. Uh so that was the purpose of the second notice and also uh the purpose for the public hearing. Uh the not the lean uh that Mr. Adula is referring to is a notice of lean. So when a property is declared a public nuisance um that notice of lean does get filed with Tulsa County Land Records. Um it's it it does clout the title, but it's also if if he does sell the property, um it also makes it a kind of a buyer beware that if somebody does buy the property afterwards that that they do also have to bring that property in into compliance. Again, um it there's a no monetary value to that lean. Uh so um but our goal and and what we discussed in in the hearing and and I know uh the inspector that's handling the case is is to get that construction schedule planned so we could start working with Mr. Adatulla on trying to get it back up to a habitable safe living condition uh you know that has all of its um components in order to be a safe and sound structure. >> Excuse me. >> Yeah. Yeah. They told me when they sent me certifi they say you can't sell the house. We got to lean on it. He's saying something that's different. I can't when you all told me I can't sell it. I can't do nothing. You want to demolish it. You know that's the whole zoom we going. Now he's saying something that's you know that I can't you know I could have maybe find somebody but they I have the certified letter say I can't sell it. >> We're going to demolish. So the under title 55 um it requires that the property owner notify if they do sell it. Um so it doesn't prevent the owner from selling it just it just by ordinance requires them to notify um the potential new buyer that there is an order of abatement on file. again does it doesn't prevent it but I mean I understand that sometimes it you know um that's kind of a can be confu you know um misinterpreted incorrectly >> to clarify I think that's that's okay helpful clarification about what he's able to do with the property legally is um so how much time does he have to come into compliance to prevent demolition So the signed order gives the owner 30 business days. Okay. >> But our >> but if our goal is always, you know, we we give far greater time than than the 30 days. So as long as they're working towards kind, you know, whether it's, you know, trying to get bids or trying to get, you know, contractors out there to to figure out what, you know, everything that needs to be done and start putting that into a timeline, we'll work with them. Uh once they have submitted all that all their plans then um uh the typical construction schedule is about six months but we we can again we can adjust that if you know weather delays um you know um supply delays anything that delays the process. we, you know, as long as we stay in communication and that's kind of our, uh, key to where, you know, when we're working with property owners to get houses rehabilitated is just that open communication that if something does um, you know, uh, slow down or, you know, bad weather and it delays from something to be getting something from getting fixed that you know, a simple call or an email and we can adjust that construction schedule beyond the six months. >> Okay. And then just to clarify with Mr. atola. So, >> are you willing to um work with the city on bringing it into compliance or I also heard you say that the repairs were already done? >> Yes, it is bought up. >> The structure is is included. >> Okay. But but it's not up to code. >> But is are you willing to work with the city to bring it up to code? I understand again that that can take resources and time, but they're saying you have it secured right now, so you're meeting that one need, but in order for it to be a safe structure that has that lean off of it, it has to be brought up to city code. And are you willing to work with the city to work on kind of a timeline and plan to make that happen? Well, yeah, I'm willing to, but also um it's nice money deal because all these damages are done by this lady here. Okay, somebody had to account for it, you know. And I'm thinking that, you know, with all those damage done, this ladies needs to be to account for it, you know. She stole the house from me. >> So, it's not a civil matter. That's a criminal offense. You know, >> I think they had a they changed the policy now that you can, you know, the if you file c, you know, fraudulent, you know, then the city, you know, we take over, you know, take the case, you know, before they don't have that. I think they have it now. So maybe I need to go there and show them this so that they can't file a criminal offense on her. Is I don't believe it's a civil matter. I think it's a criminal offense, you know, because she fraudulent took that house away from me and I couldn't have no rights to that house. >> Okay, y'all yield me. >> Yeah. >> All right, we have counselor. >> Thank you, Mr. Adatula. Kevin, I got a question real quick. Um, I'm trying to understand how this how this other party isn't involved in this as well. If I understand this correctly, um, I'm trying to figure out was this person, this other party occupying the property um, when it was being abated or was it vacant at the time? I when when we inspected in October, the property was vacant. I think Mr. Adatilla was saying this happened a few years ago. Um so this would have been prior to the demolition case being opened or this last inspection where we um or the inspection in October where we found it unsecured with debris. So this this happened Mr. actually probably helped me with the with the timeline on when that the quick claim deed and everything all occurred. Um, but that was prior to us being in involved on on this particular >> That's where I'm confused. What how does the quick claim deed play into this? Were they joint property owners? >> No. >> How did she end up being an interested party in this? H in what regard? Well, I I your guys' land research records >> when again when we do our titles research, uh we look at uh the assessors, the treasures, and the clerk's pages as as three points of contact. And then also there's some other um water records is another one. So, in our legal research, we found this name as a potential interested party. So, anytime that there's a potential interested party, a mortgage company, uh somebody that may have a other lean on the property, uh we will make notice to try to make contact and to try to find out what what is going on with the property and see see if we can work together as far as bringing the property compliance. This name in particular, uh that's that's on the title. I didn't know any of this background. We didn't know any of this background, but obviously they're tied to it somehow someway. Um, you know, our our responsibility is also to make notice. again. Um, but when these things get pointed out is is to try to help, you know, give the best advice that we can and the best advice on that we can give on on this particular issue is is is to obviously seek legal advice from an attorney, uh, legal aid of Oklahoma. Some some other resource that could provide, you know, you know, some legal guidance on on how to remove this name. Um that's that's listed in in the in the Tuls County clerk's page. >> She used to live there. >> So >> yeah, she Yeah, she I couldn't get out of it because she always had that quick claim did. >> That's what I'm trying to figure out here. Who actually owns the property? Who was actually living there? Because if you pull up pull up some of those pictures again, if you look at the property, >> uh the hole in the roof, the interior of the house, this isn't like a couple of weeks or a year's worth of dilapidation. This is >> extended an extended period. >> So the whole roof has been patched. Uh the house has been secured. But as far as the um any interior exterior repairs um you know so we haven't we haven't been able to see anything beyond u there might have been you know some boards repaired um uh but as far as the overall condition uh we haven't seen that's seen any you know uh major improvements in order to bring it back up to a habitable safe living condition and again that's that's our goal is to work with Mr. Adatulo on trying to get that those issues resolved so somebody could live in there safely, soundly with all the proper um you know, electrical, heat, plumbing, uh th those type of things in order to to make it a safe, sound structure. I think it would be interesting to see if it's structurally sound and is actually rehabilitable. Um, and what that might cost determination whether u so that's you know we kind of exhaust all of our efforts to try to work with the property owners to to to get those houses rehabilitated. So we don't we don't make the decision on whether it's rehabable or not rehabable. um we can give them the resources the guy or the guide, you know, if um resource guidelines, you know, as far as, you know, if if they have any questions, you know, there might be at some organizations to contact. Uh a lot of times it's going to be on the property owner to contact a general contractor and and those things. So, but again, um uh to work with the property owner to to to get the house rehabilitated. This one is challenging for me because you have a third party who's not standing here who apparently has an interest in this property and it's all on this gentleman right here. Um and obviously he probably doesn't have the means um to bring this to I don't know what it costs to bring it to code. I don't know that it's structurally sound. as a structural engineer looked at this and you know determined you know with the hole in the roof um you know what kind of structural damage has been done to that house you know I'm even challenged what does that look like costwise for him and what programs would he qualify for specifically um that would help him bring a bring it to code I I'm just challenged by this whole thing not not your work specifically but I think the circumstances that he finds himself in um >> and and and that's why we provide those resource guides uh you know so you know again it's you know to try to work with property owners to to you know to see if there's anything that's available um you know for them we we give them um like I said contractor list um investor list u not that you know demolition is not our goal, but but we do have the demolition incentive program um in the resource guide. So, there may be some, you know, organizations out there that can help. And again, um you know, if there is help, you know, that that uh available or if they decide, you know, Mr. Tula decides to rehabilitate the structure, then we'll work with him on those time frames and kind of uh help work with him on on on those issues so so we can work together again with the ultimate goal of getting it rehabilitated. >> Yeah, I'm >> excuse it. It I I'm just challenged by the whole situation that this gentleman finds himself in with a third party who potentially >> I don't know if they have a legal claim to the property. >> These are not current pictures. Right. >> Mr. Pitchford, do you want to add something? >> Um, >> those are >> so Brandt Pitchford with code enforcement. Just to help maybe clarify things, the interested party we added is no different than if we added a bank or somebody with a contractor's lean or something like that. We have to notify them and bring them up to speed on the process of that property. We don't make the judgment call on whether she has a right to the property or no right to the property. That's that's not for us to make. So I'm just I just wanted to point that out that even though this is a single person that did whatever she did to Mr. Adatula in earlier years, it's the same as a bank having interest in the property as well. >> Also they were they were there yesterday. They took the Korean pictures, you know. They they they ain't showing that because my neighbor said it, you know. And the channel 8 was there today and they took the structure was in good shape. They took everything. So if you guys can watch channel 8 news, they have the condition of the property. The structure is in good standing, you know, everything, you know. So it's not something. So this is not >> I just want to know what programs he qualifi qualifies for what it would cost to bring this up to code >> and would he qualify for enough programs what does that timeline look like and is it structurally sound enough to rehabilitate because that's always important to me. Just because you make surface or facade repairs or put roof repairs in place doesn't mean it's structurally sound. And when you've had a hole in the roof, which if I'm looking at the picture of the hole in the roof, right, obviously you've repaired the hole, so that's not in question to me. And the propertyy's secured. Obviously, the problem for me is that hole in the roof. How long has that been there? >> Okay. Are you done? >> Yeah. I I just want to understand >> there's lots of questions. um councelor Archie and then uh councelor director Wright and Hall Harper again. >> Has he had to pay any fines and fees associated with this yet? >> No. >> Okay. Well, I think maybe the challenge is that um whatever expenses he may incur because of the rehabilitation. Uh the other interested party wouldn't have to because they're not here, they wouldn't have to pay it. So maybe that's part of the hardship. You said something. I don't recall your name sir. >> Kevin, uh um you said that you don't you all don't determine if a house is able to be rehabbed. So, no, we we do not make the determination whether somebody makes a private owner makes a decision whether they want to rehabilitate their property or not depending on if it's um various conditions, rotten decay, if it's been destroyed by fire. The city does not make a determination on whether somebody can has the right to rehabilitate. If they choose that they want to rehabilitate their structure in any condition, we work with them, make sure they get all the proper permits. Um and and we work with them towards that goal on on getting it rehabilitated. >> Okay. When you you described the two tracks, you talked about the trash, junk and debris, the roof that's been cleared. You are a little bit more vague on when you say condition of the structure. Will you you'll clearly communicate to uh uh Mr. Ad Mr. out of Tula what he would need to do to get the the place up to compliance cuz just I'm thinking if I was in his position I'm not sure what all that would entail either. >> So the rotten decay that's on the exterior the windows the door frames the things that have been damaged by neglect or decay um you know to make it the you know the structure sealed up. Um obviously you know we encourage them you know if if you know to uh seek advice if there's issues related to electrical plumbing because with the power and the water turned off in the years that it has been turned off uh there may be other underlying issues. We require them to bring it up to um livability standards that's under the title 55. So that means like hot water uh running water um the heat at the proper temperature that's required under the property maintenance code. of all of those things that that need to be brought into um a habitable condition. Each each property is going to be a little bit different, >> but we also make sure that that that they have that they know that they have to have a good functioning kitchen. The bathroom has to been in good working order. Uh bedrooms again, heat, water supply, hot water, those those necessary things that have to be established in order for the house to be made habitable. You know, I'm just so I'm just thinking about basically what we're being asked to do is to determine if the appeal process was fair and you all did everything you needed to get done when you uh but so you but you noticed both parties with the appeal >> so process. >> So the the other interested party got attached to that back in 2019. um the the deed uh to the foundation occurred in 2022. So without there being some clear paperwork showing that the other party that was notified either had a right didn't have a right to the property, we may notice because we want to make sure that we notify anybody that even has the potential of being an interested party. >> So you did notice everyone with the Okay. All right. >> Yes, sir. All right, councelor Dector Wright. >> Thank you, Chair Gilbert. Uh, I appreciate my colleagues careful questioning and consideration of this very challenging case. Mr. Adatula, first I just want to say thank you for coming here tonight and I'm sorry for your loss. >> Um, and I'm sorry for the hardships that you've >> been managing. Sometimes it's just one more thing and that's so I just empathize with that. say that, you know, >> and and want to hold some space for that. >> Um, >> I'm glad, you know, because >> coming from a 935, you know, blood sugar and I'm still here, you know, that means there still a lot of fight in me. >> That's right. >> Well, is good. >> I know it's not easy to get down here and have this conversation with us. I just um Mr. Cox. The third party in question is that Christina Kirchief that's listed on the notice of lean requested. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Have we ever heard from Miss Kerschef in this whole process? >> No, ma'am. >> Well, Google tells me she might not be alive anymore. So, I just wonder if that is a complicating factor in this discussion. And so I don't want to, you know, do my Google search from the the dis, but I think when we're doing legal re research and things like that, maybe we should go and and look at those things. I this is a complicated situation. I think what I'm hearing and seeing is that the immediate issue of securing the building so that we don't have squatters in there that could then potentially lead to other major complications such as a fire or other issues. So the the building's secure, the building's not habitable. to my colleagues who have been here longer than a year, you know, we've had a lot of uninhabitable properties that we give lots of extended time and consideration to. So, there is that precedence. I'd like to make a motion that we continue this um appeal request 90 days to April 29th, 2026 at 5:00 p.m. Give Mr. rattle to some time to maybe talk with Carrie Fathergill and councelor Hall Harper to see if they can come up with a game plan, explore options to which councelor Bengal is saying, you know, feasibility for rehabilitation, what programs exist. I think Carrie has done a very good job of that with other folks in the past. So, that's my motion is to continue this u request um hearing to April 29th, 2026 at 5:00 p.m. >> Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second, but councelor Hall Harper, did you want to say something else? >> Okay, I I don't have a problem with that uh motion, but I I do want to be clear. If we uphold the decision of the hearing officer either today or in April, what's the next steps? Because in this decision, did they say that this property should be or could be demolished? So um so the the signed order gives the property owner the ne uh the ability to provide the necessary steps in order to rehabilitate the structure the time frames and and so the time would start then >> I get that >> started so based on Mr. Adatulla's what how he what he wants to do with the property will then kind of determine the next step. So if if his choice is to rehabilitate it, we'll work with him on the time frames on on when that when that occurs and if he >> okay >> decides another direction, we'll work with him as well. >> Okay, let me be clear then. When we make a decision whether we uphold this the hearing officer's decision or not if that property is demolished by the city would you all have to come back before us to do that or will that just be a part of the decision that was made by the hearing officer and we won't there's no recourse at that point. >> So if you if you uphold the hearing officer's decision uh and the city does end up demolishing it then we would not have to come back. >> Okay. No. So yeah, we want to hold it like what he >> Yeah. So the motions to to give you 90 days counselor to work with Mr. Adatula and then maybe we can get Carrie Fathergill. >> Yeah. >> And some resources. >> And just so Mr. Adatula knows Carrie Fathergill, her role at the city is she's a citizen advocate who helps when you have to work across different departments or government entities. She helps people navigate that. Um and so you know including can probably support you in accessing some of those potential legal services as needed. That's part of her role. >> So, we're doing a 90-day hold on this. >> Yeah. Just a continuation of this agenda item. >> Yeah. >> To to Wednesday, April 29th, 2026 at >> tableing. Okay. >> In this room. >> Okay. So, we have a Yeah. Second. Yeah. Vote. >> Yeah. We have a motion and a second. Okay. Call the role, please. >> Councelor Gilbert, >> yes. >> Councelor Bengal, >> yes. >> Councelor Dector Wright, >> yes. Yes. Councelor Leaken. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bush. >> Yes. >> Councelor Hall Harper. Councelor Archie. >> Yes. >> Councelor Bellis. >> Yes. >> Okay. It passed. We We got you some time. >> Okay. >> Okay. And we'll um code enforcement. Uh will you get with him and work with him to hook him up with Carrie Fathergill or whomever else with the city? >> Thank you. >> I have one other question. >> Yep. >> When when was the last time you seen Christina? I um when I made the report, that's when I run into her. You know, since >> How long ago was that? >> Uh that probably was probably couple of years ago. >> Couple of years. >> Yeah. We need to see if she's still on this side. >> Okay. Cuz if she's no longer on this side, then, you know, we can probably >> Yeah, she's you know, she's around. She's still doing the same thing. >> You you you've seen her. You know she's alive. >> Oh yeah, she's alive because I I I run her record, you know, finding fro, you know, and she's still doing the same thing. >> She's still she's still con. >> She's still con. Okay. >> I would just say if we could get legal aid, carry father Gill T, revitalize Ttown, whatever options might be out there. >> Okay. >> Mr. Cox, thank you very much for helping him out. Appreciate you. >> All right. Um 11 hearing of public comments. There are no items this week. Um item number 12 adjournment. We are adjourned. Sorry.