a little bit especially since gym is not coming unless I'm then not in front of my name to the cloud for it to the cloud recording in progress we have about 20 seconds left foreign I'd like to uh call this uh meeting to order I'll take roll call lanterman here brahmund here Van Den ID here and uh I understand that commissioner shulock uh and uh horn are unavailable but I will note that we have a quorum for tonight's meeting I'd like to encourage those of you who can participate to please join the commission and staff in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you [Music] um I'll ask my colleagues if you have any uh admin amendments to tonight's agenda no okay with that I'll uh entertain a motion to approve the agenda I'll make that motion all second so moved I'm gonna open up the floor now for sure vote oh an official vote oh um this is my first meeting now as chair so please forgive me if I uh am not well versed in that uh aspect uh can I get a boat all in favor say aye aye aye opposed perfect thank you certainly thank you uh open Forum so uh we're gonna open up the floor to the public to participate in the open Forum now these are uh or this would be the Publix your opportunity to address things with this commission but these are items that are not only for items not already on tonight's agenda okay so is is there anyone that would like to comment about something not on tonight's agenda I'm sorry in the open Forum please raise your hand either by pressing star nine if you're on the phone or utilizing the raise your hand function on your reactions menu for your tablet or computer thank you Mr chair no one's raising their hand online okay thank you and uh um Sherry you can go ahead and unmute yourself address the commission please provide your name and address hi Sherry bergs9530 Daphne drives rogers55374 perfect and are you speaking on an item on the agenda or you have additional comments for the commission uh item on the agenda okay um so if you are speaking an item on agenda though we will walk you through a public hearing or a public comment opportunity later uh so this is for items that are specifically not on the agenda thank you thank you at this time no one else okay uh I don't need to take a vote to close the public meeting right okay so we'll just move on uh I'd like to entertain a motion to uh approve both the June 2nd 2022 as well as the September 1st Planning Commission meeting notes I'll make that motion I will second uh we have a second all in favor say aye aye aye opposed okay uh all set you see you see uh we're doing okay we'll get you out of here before one o'clock I I hope okay very good thank you uh so uh new business uh I will uh open up the floor again to the public to you uh to speak about uh so in this case Mr chair it's specifically on the slay Bob variants which is not a public hearing so um informal comments could be taken at this time okay uh but that's still uh a public uh commentary opportunity right yep yeah specifically for Sly about variants we will open up each individual public hearing for the rest of the items on the agenda okay thank you is there anyone here that would like to uh make comments to us about that application item 60 on the agenda slay Bob variant 6B sure you get the applicant I get in nice to meet you I'm not quite sure yeah that's great to know that it's you so when we get to that item um after Corcoran Farms we'll ask you if there's any questions if you don't have any other comments all the time thank you all right oh I'm sorry anyone online yeah anyone online that like to make comments on specifically item 6B slay about variants at 9925 Ebert Road uh now would be your time to make a comment raise your hand either by sign for your phone or the raise your hand function on the reactions menu on your computer or mobile device no one is raising their hand okay thank you uh can we start the public hearing then yep me too the next report all right so Kendra will start with the staff report for 6A Mr chair Commissioners this is a request for a rezoning PUD and preliminary plot for Corcoran Farms Business Park um [Music] so this is the site north of Larkin Road South of County Road 50. behind the existing uh program business area um next slide I am going to go through the high level items this is a big staff report there's a lot of detail happy to answer more but for the public I want to go through a little bit of detail the applicant has submitted this request to develop a five lot industrial park on this 70 acre property the property is zoned light industrial it's in the Shoreland overlay District there's a creek that separates this property from the existing Industrial Park and in the Shoreland overlay district there are State requirements related to what can happen in that overlay district and the city has adopted additional adopted those by ordinance for buffers and setbacks there are a number of wetlands scattered throughout the site and the applicant does need to comply with Wetland and buffer setback requirements for those as well I noticed that more detail in the staff report there are some areas on the east side where it does not appear that they're being met so we've included that discussion an eiw an environmental assessment worksheet was completed earlier this year and AIW is an opportunity to identify significant the potential for significant environmental impacts and adopt a mitigation strategies to address any potential environmental impacts it's not a means to approve or deny a project but it means to provide more information to the city as we review applications this site is guided industrial as part of the 2040 comprehensive Plan update the city did re-guide it from medium density to light industrial for the two years between 2017 and 2019 the city held 20 public meetings or open houses offered a number of public surveys and online comment opportunities before adoption but as a result of that plan this was re-guided to light Industrial in 2019 the zoning and land use maps are now on this screen hard to see but where the red stars are are where the property is expands again that same industrial park that's in place this was something the council adopted as a desire to provide more business opportunities in the city next slide so the request this evening the first request I should say is to rezone the property from light industrial to planned unit development planned unit development is a zoning District in Corcoran and the the zoning District through PUD creates a specific set of standards for the project when we reviewed the project we reviewed it for deviations from the i-1 district standards and throughout the report provided information about where a flexibility is requested and where any benefits as identified by the applicant or by staff were so I'm not going through each of the items but in the staff report we talk about the intent of the Pud which is to in general is to provide opportunities for flexible development and in exchange for the city providing some flexibility we should get something better than we would otherwise get that isn't exactly what the code says but that's the summary of the code so when we review the next Slide the site plan there are five buildings proposed on the south is Larkin Road on the North side is County Road 50. through the center of the site there's a new public street that will extend North there's a temporary cul-de-sac until the property to the north develops and then that street would be extended ultimately up to County Road 50. the five buildings are industrial buildings surrounded by parking there are loading docks that which sort of shows up black on this screen for each of the buildings so the Pud development plan um the five buildings total almost 700 000 square feet of industrial the parking on the plan about 1200 stalls supports generally supports a mix of 20 office 80 Warehouse it's a little different for each building but just in general as a frame of reference that's the mix parking would need to be evaluated for each building as tenants change over time so as a new tenant came in and wanted to create a building permit we'd have to evaluate parking and make sure there's adequate parking on site in the pack it was an exhibit from the applicants architect that showed that it is possible for some of those loading docks in the rear of the building to be converted to parking stalls if a tenant did not require the loading dots themselves so just for information but the plan as proposed has loading docks in on one side of the building and parking on the other three sides PUD flexibility is required for parking setbacks along Larkin for both buildings along the new public Street for three of for four of the buildings and then uh for parking on building on the north side of building C uh loading docks um are 160 feet and 140 feet from the residential property line respectively a south building is 60 feet uh North building's 140 feet this image um was not in your packet this image has actually been modified slightly to provide in the hashed area in Italy if you could highlight that hashed area where the Landscaping is proposed to be added like right there how do I do that yeah I think you have a pointer this is the that's a change from what was in the packet so I wanted to highlight that um so the code says that loading docks when they are adjacent to residential must be 300 feet away from residential property unless they're separated by an intervening building so if a building if that building was oriented 90 degrees for example the loading docks could be within 300 feet because they're not because they'd be separated by a building the applicants asking for PUD flexibility for that and they have provided a 36 foot watt high Wing wall on the side of the building and you can sort of see that black line on the west side of each building there is a retaining wall adjacent to building a which is a south building sorry what's a wing wall I'm sorry is that just like the end of the building or yeah it just looks like the building wall is extended oh I see so it extends out to the end of the loading docks so it's the same height of the building and will provide some screening of those docks or doc bays and trucks so you can see that black line extends to the end of where the trucks would be parked um yeah right there and so um that's it commonly used to provide screening but it's not um a building so it still requires well it may provide screening it does not meet the code standard so that's why flexibility is requested the applicant notes that there is a 50-foot gas line easement that runs uh through the site 50 foot wide and that's that gray Air landscaped area between the two buildings I can't it is up there guys oh there we go thank you I cannot run the screen though so that's why I've asked Natalie a couple times today you want this one they don't work oh I meant up there oh yeah I'm working on it but that's the wing wall where the pointer is right now on that building and there's a similar one on the other building um there is Landscaping provided that's the this exhibit adds nine additional trees on uh lee Sun Rams property to the to the West um to provide to attempt to provide some more screening so there were those cross sections on the bottom I understand if you're in the audience and didn't look at the packet you cannot see those but they were in the console or in the planning commissions packet as well provided by the applicant to give you some sense of the separation right here yeah and uh folks respectfully I'm just going to ask that you hold your questions [Music] um no no no that's okay you know but you know you'll have an opportunity to ask but I would like staff to just get through the report and then you know and then you'll have an opportunity okay thank you [Music] um yes ma'am I'm trying to keep up with her I apologize I usually she runs the presentation but we're having technical difficulty I'm trying to keep up with what she's saying and I'll try to be better at it thank you um okay retaining wall yeah all right I'm kind of lost track um uh buildings the buildings themselves do comply with ordinance requirements and you can see in these renderings this is a view um if as if you're on Lark and looking towards the buildings and so they are Precast panels with off white and gray and then they've got some blue metal canopies and you can see it alternates between the dark or the gray and the white and there's a there the gray part is recessed into the building so it provides both a a number a couple of different kinds of articulation to provide some interest around the front there are windows at a floor level which also provides interest so again complies with the ordinance they on the side elevations they've got some clear story Windows which are windows up high you can kind of see on that image I think the Planning Commission should discuss again it's a PUD this does comply but those um some of the side elevations actually face our new public street so does this actually in a PUD is that enough to break up those building elevations so I think that's something you should consider again it does comply with the letter of the law but it is a PUD does it comply with the spirit of the code next slide um infrastructure is obviously a big deal um the eaw that was done earlier this year included a feasibility study that was very very detailed if anyone's interested it's available at City Hall Natalie can provide a copy of that but it outlined all of the required improvements so a new public Street will be constructed as I mentioned that will eventually connect up to County Road 50 through the center of the site as part of this project they will provide a temporary cul-de-sac and there is an emergency vehicle access that will come out on the very North right there where Natalie's pointing that is emergency only tenants vendors cannot use that it will be gated so that it's only available for a public safety access Hennepin County as part of the eaw said they would not permit a full access in that location so um the secondary location is emergency only additionally and it's it's visible on this rendering a little bit which is why I added it they are adding turn Lanes at Larkin so you can see the road gets a little wider there but they will be providing turn Lanes there as well as at Larkin and 116. and I know that's something that folks have a lot of concerns about but those improvements will be part of this project foreign water will be extended to the site as well excuse me and we'll be a water main will be looped for fire safety that will make the connection um be all to help make that connection between Rush Creek Reserve north of 50 and Tavera ultimately on the south side down by Hackamore I mentioned there is a significant amount of grading on the site for these buildings they need flat areas and so there are some retaining walls as high as 10 feet the largest retaining wall is down in that southwest corner that is 10 feet high but there are a number of other retaining walls throughout the site the retaining wall down in that Southeast Corner excuse me southwest corner does mean that this building will be 10 feet lower than the residential driveway to the West so sometimes it's hard to understand how grading wall looks on a plan so I just wanted to be clear this would be 10 feet lower than the residential property um I mentioned the 50-foot gas line easement it runs through the center of the site but then it takes a turn north on the other side on the west side Natalie nope a little further right there goes north uh up that way and so that does create some challenges on this site for buildings of this size between Larkin and the gas line and for plantings on the west side of that building D however we still need to evaluate this based on the code so I want to make sure everybody understands where that gas lineagement is and why some things are where they are next slide the landscape plan here shows 697 overstory or 492 overstory trees and 1700 shrubs which is does not meet the code they did not ask for PUD flexibility from the code um I think they can meet the planting requirements for shrubs I think there are some areas along the new tree new street where the parking areas are not screened as required by the code but I do think with the number of buildings on the site the locations of the wetlands it will be a challenge to meet the the trees however again they did not ask for flexibility so right now the code or the resolution is drafted would say they have to comply I did want to note that there is something in the code that says if you can't fit the trees on the property the city could allow those trees to be planted at a public location and the developer would pay cash for us to plant those trees again this is a little bit weird they didn't ask for beauty flexibility so I don't have that in one of my beauty flexibility requests and we are just saying you need to comply with the code um so next slide parks and trails the parks and trails did review this at their September meeting the applicant does have the trail running along the east property line along the creek um which is great except that we need to connect to the rest of the trail which is going to come out at Bluebonnet so the little orange squiggle on the right is where the trail is proposed today and Parks Commission suggested it move uh up Bluebonnet there where Natalie's pointer is and then East uh and then connect North as originally planned this is part of the Three Rivers Park Diamond Lake Regional Trail and uh for Three Rivers did comment on this their comments are in the packet they were generally supportive of that that concept ideally they would have preferred it to stay along the creek the whole way and then have the trail along um Larkin but with this plan that's just not possible so they were supportive of this this all this change um because it's the Three Rivers Park Trail it's still a 20-foot standard Trail easement that the city requires but instead of an eight-foot bituminous Trail it's a 10-foot potominus Trail and there are some design standards that they look for that are a little different from ours in terms of radiuses and things but they'll need to comply with those requirements I mentioned there's a couple portions of the trail where we it does not appear to meet the Shoreland and Wetland requirements so that may need to wiggle a little bit through there near that pond and a little bit on the north side Park dedication is due for this site Park dedication for commercial areas um is a in this case will be for the trail net area and then the remainder will be cash in lieu of land in accordance with the fee schedule in place at the time that the final plot is approved next slide oh preliminary plot is for five Lots one for each of the buildings and two outlets and Natalie if you can kind of Point Outlet a on the North West corner is proposed to be retained for an amenity of some sort that's would be used by the tenants employees in these buildings um we don't have any details about that the applicants here maybe could provide some information but that's one of the things they suggest as a PUD benefit but we don't really know what it is yet Outlaw B would be deeded to the city for a potential Well site we asked for that engineering is uh comfortable with that location and size so that would be retained for future use as needed next slide these were some images that were not in the packet that I received from the applicant yesterday and I think they are helpful for a sense of scale these are the five buildings to the right side of the screen are some of the buildings in the industrial park to the left side of the screen you can see the residential homes over there and um just gives you the you can see the retaining excuse me the loading docks for the southern four buildings face each other and the front of the buildings are on Larkin um the retaining or the loading areas for the northern building faces the creek the industrial park um to the east next slide and so these are just some renderings um I got them yesterday I have not to be honest calculated to make sure it matches the landscape plan but these are renderings provided by the applicant next slide this is at Larkin and blue bonnet this is a higher View at Larkin and blue bonnet um this is actually from I don't uh I don't think it's from Tom's feehan's property I think it's actually the property to the South this is from the residential property uh to the West next slide and then this is if you from Feehan property of the northern of the two Residential Properties to the west and it reflects that additional Landscaping in that new landscape plan slide so the Pud that was requested Beauty flexibility was that was requested by the applicant is for the parking setbacks the loading docks within 300 feet of the residential without an intervening building and they have indicated that the Pud benefits are the construction of a new industrial park and the tax base and jobs that that brings the off-site improvements on on Larkin and County Road 116 and a deeded site for the city well again I did not include that Landscaping um issue is PUD flexibility just made that a condition so in order to help the discussion the city must determine whether the Pud standards and the intent of the Pud have been met so to help the discussion I did draft resolutions for approval just to give a framework for what kind of conditions would at a minimum need to be attached if you were inclined to find that the standards have been met and recommend approval as always you can modify those I've noted a couple specific items that you might want to talk about however if the commission finds that the Pud standards have not been met you should recommend denial and you could provide findings of fat the rezoning to p and the Pud are one of the items where you have a lot of discretion on next slide this is a public hearing can I interrupt you can you go back a slide please so um you've drafted resolutions if we approve have you drafted resolutions for if we deny I have not but in the staff report I did include some findings in the Pud that you could find the Pud standards were not met and you could use that as a framework for the denial okay all right I like having choices [Music] thank you um so uh this I should back up on that if I could for a second uh if you do recommend denial you can do that by motion with the findings um next slide so this is a public hearing and and um there were comments submitted by Tom pien that were included in your packet those are entered into the record as if he read them or handed them out this evening um and the applicant was here as well with his team for questions okay thank you uh before uh we open the um um the public hearing to allow your comments Sarah I owe you an opportunity to make sure that you were able to see and you know I promised you that you could ask questions okay well I just I just want to make sure because I I did promise you and I promised you an opportunity too so I just want to make sure that I'm doing that sir I'm sorry okay okay ma'am did you have any you did you have any questions I know that I I promised you an opportunity okay okay thank you I appreciate your understanding Mr problem so that um that is not an inconvenience at all okay thank you and with that uh we'll open the um uh the uh in person comments is is uh would any of you like to address us or voice questions or sir if you if you could uh please you'll go next at George Banks is that on do you have it [Music] oh this thing on yeah [Music] um and if you could State your your name and and your address please 220 Larkin Road thank you um you haven't addressed any of the traffic concerns that that property is outsized for when they said to change the uh deal for for the residential or whatever it was to the light industrial I'm thinking it was like downtown Corcoran where you've got A1 outdoor power and you've got Phil's Automotive and now you've got this beam of just huge building and there's going to be how many trucks are going to come to fill up a building that size not to mention how many parking spots was there there's like seven 1249 yeah okay so I counted 75 of that or 50 of that dirt built during the day I mean the and all you have is Larkin Road you don't have County Road 50 that this the County said no you can't that's emergency only there's a gate so everything coming down Market and Larkin isn't a huge Road two two uh a couple miles up the skirt but that's just this is kind of a project that should be in Rogers like you see it all day long you're driving on 94 and you look over hey there's these huge buildings and their access within a couple miles to a highway we don't have that we've got you've got County Road 116 up there that's Tulane Road and you go down in 55. okay that's a little bigger highway but it just it doesn't fit the scope of this area I don't I don't see what the benefits are I think well money in the pockets of the city I suppose but because for the people living there no there isn't really any any benefit to be happy as far as I'm concerned anyway thank you thank you sir sir all right time for the hand two zero four one zero one of the road uh my wife and I lived on the west side of this development um I was just curious uh so you weren't planning on showing any of the no I'm not able to easily pull that up is there an image that we have that you'd like me to pull up um maybe the overhead view of the building would that be helpful um so um those were added since the pack of present out so what I'm going to be responding to is the original packet but I do find that amusing and maybe I'll tell you why so um I'm here to summarize a few key points from that response I am praying that you all took a look at it but I'm kind of thinking that you had very little time maybe you didn't see it um if there's one takeaway I would like everybody here tonight to leave with it's this I believe that we are being asked to prove five giant concrete box building allow the developer to sidestep several city codes and I think that's all to them to benefit the developer don't leave this as a case of hardship and what the developer is proposing to do for the city in exchange for sidestepping these codes as far as I can tell is literally nothing about what a non-pud required I think the Shetty Farm is a large beautiful piece of property I think it should be able to accommodate many types of beautiful proposals without needing to allow a developer to sign step of cities for everyone here everyone watching online I think anybody who will be watching online since they're not seeing this I would hold go to the court on the website you would download this packet if you do that you can scroll down and you can see some of the images I've provided I think it would be helpful um so rezoning preliminary cloud and PUD D that seems like an awful lot to be multiple into one I don't think it's a good idea I think it's going to add for mistakes and bad ideas of the history of re-guiding this to Industrial heard about it check this website regularly I don't know how many residents but I don't feel like a chance anyway I think bundling all those things adds to confusion so for example with the reselling I just want to be clear I am not necessarily opposed to seeing this result we think there's makes it worse I'm sorry no you're fine it's a natural instinct but it's it's not good thank you um but as our friend over there said I don't think there's anything like about this about as far as Industrial The Observer five gigantic concrete box buildings um and I don't think they belong on that site um as far as resulting I do think I would be very curious to know a lot of people I think put a lot of work into determining that that site should have been residential I don't know how much work went into deciding it should change to light industrial but again I'm not necessarily opposed to it but I am opposed to five gigantic buildings being put on that site I don't I just don't see that they belong there and I I hate to say this but um this seems really far along to me it it seems like you know these guys have put a lot of work into this from what I can tell this has been going on not since February but maybe going on two years and we just received a public notice a few days ago so a few weeks couple weeks ago but by the time I received it I literally had like two days to try to submit a written response and that again that doesn't really seem like fair for the public um regarding the preliminary plot I do have a horse in the race and I see that some of my concerns have been addressed um my wife and I where we lived we would have been looking down the backside of tour out of five of those warehouses um but moreover that new city street as far as I can tell goes right up through there and you drive by on that City street you're going to see the backsides of four of those warehouses I don't see I don't see enough screaming to keep you from seeing Pat and if I read the code directly that does not make code for loading in surface areas or shielding them respectfully we're at five minutes so please finish your your comments I want to hear what you have to say but we have a lot on the agenda tonight and I want to be respectful of everyone's time I appreciate that thank you sir I uh I will try to wrap up quickly I was pretty sure that what Natalie met when she said five minutes was I would at least get five minutes for um zoning planning and PUD GE I will try to speed up what well played sir well played it is a lot I mean it is an awful lot and it's it's confusing um so how can I skip forward let's put it this way um I always want to mention that the illustrations the renderings that that was provided um I call that a developer sleight of hand those pictures are wedge-shaped pictures I don't believe they illustrate well just how big these buildings are going to be on Larkin Road um I think if you live on Larkin Road there isn't much about that that's going to be very attractive or comply with all of the things that technically you guys are all supposed to be required to do as a part of a PUD I read a number of city codes regarding puds they talk about Superior designs they talk about maintaining Open Spaces um uh if I I hope that all of you before you move forward with any of this go out to this property stand on Larkin Road at the southeast corner and stare down to Blue Bonnet and try to imagine a building that is two and a half football fields long almost 40 feet high and it's straight up concrete and as far as I know there is nothing in this late industrial requirement that says that that can't be those buildings couldn't be 10 office space on one corner and in Warehouse all the rest of the way down no Mr Feehan we we do appreciate your comments tonight and if I could just add I found your submittal to be uh very helpful so thank you um we appreciate it thank you for your comments I think that is incredibly unfair well what is incredibly unfair to stop somebody and live it down to five minutes over something that's important I I'm sorry that you feel that way do we have uh anyone else that would like to comment yes sir [Music] yes I do okay thank you Gail well I'll let you know when we can all right thank you my name is Dan Dixon I live at 20129 Larkin Road is it possible to go back to the view of the structure from large world keep going it must be further to the front of the slides yeah uh is that it yep yeah there you go so we'll actually not go back one more there was a better one or was it oh yeah okay so you saw that picture there this this is basically okay this is the public street I'm guessing right here yep okay so this is not exactly the best view but this is basically what it would look like out my front door so I live if you want to go back to the big plot version sorry that's okay it's a lot easier with the graphics right here right all right there you go right I live right here so right now I look outside and I see cornfields and soybean fields if this is approved with that great tree work right there I'm going to be looking at the front of a 36 foot building when I go my front door that's what I get to grow up that's what I get my kids get to look at that's what I get to do every day I get to go outside and see that and all the traffic this is bringing in it was supposed to be light industrial which I'm not a big fan of the light industrial I mean this city is growing so fast with all the homes being built that eventually is going to need a school I was kind of thinking that that was what the city was thinking was putting a school here with all these homes they're trying to build but now all of a sudden it's big giant Warehouse I have no buffer from this building so I'm one of the only people around that has a house where the buffer between my house and a giant Warehouse is a street there's not even a real tree buffer there there's not even landscape buffer there's no buffer of any kind I am looking at a gigantic building so that was something that really concerned me because now this is really heavy industrial what we're looking at here this is not light industrial these are giant warehouses so a light and heavy industrial and residential they don't go together very well and I'm not real happy about what's going on um so the buffers I don't see any buffers of any kind for Larkin for anybody that lives in Larkin the other problem I had is because this is light industrial my thought was that the city was going to change as the light industrial expand upon what currently is there extending 75th Street into it so that it basically keeps Larkin out of the play and 75th Street which is right here can continue on into this light I'm sorry continue on into this light industrial area and then they can build a nice buffer with the trail system to keep Larkin Road separated from all this businesses now all of a sudden the trails have decided that it's okay to deviate from their current plan and allow this to be built and let people ride their bikes and walk their dogs through warehouses I don't understand that that makes no sense to me so I'm not a big fan of this idea I think this is horrible for the area I understand that the city wants to develop they want to grow and eventually they're going to make me move but for right now I would like to have residential stay residential light industrial can be light industrial but do the buffers that are necessary to keep the two separated they're not supposed to be together and this is not even close the light investor oh I know other people want to speak so I'll leave I'll leave it at that I'm not a big fan thank you for your comments do we have someone online yeah so generally we take uh online comments after everyone in the public has a chance to speak I was there we want to take Gail's comments now or we could save anyone else once no we'll we'll follow the rules do we have anyone else here yes sir thank you please uh just uh state your name and your address please thank you um my name is Ryan Richter uh we live at 7225 Buckskin Trail which is on the Southeast portion of this where two houses down um and we're right here on the corner sorry I know you got the corner there um I have very much the same concerns as him as as well as my neighbor in between us which will be Gale um I moved from Denver from the city of Denver uh a year ago and we moved with the intent of trying to get away from this um not that that's any of any of your guys's concerned but um I'm on board with flight industrial as well but I work in these type of buildings and I work around these type of buildings and with them being you know between 30 and 40 feet high and the image that Tom painted going to football fields down the road there um I'm sorry for my choppiness and my voice too I'm just not very happy um [Music] you're talking about increasing traffic the noise level is going to just Echo right along the market we're nowhere for it to go except and you're talking about heavy industrial trucks coming through here for warehouse buildings you're talking about everybody that works in these Warehouse buildings we're only using One Source in and one source of alpha blocking road which it's not built for that um it's frustrating to see like Thompson as well with not much time to prepare it on the top um because I think there are a lot of issues with this with not meeting code but also with the uh the possibility of having a lot of us along here upset at this issue which is being huge concrete buildings um we look out when we see cornfields I feel like I'm echoing but we see cornfield we see you know open field I can barely see Tom's house and I stood I went out yesterday on the corner that he's talking about um to imagine a building going from there all the way to the other the other end where Bluebonnet meets is just hard to think about as is but when you think about it almost being as tall as a light pole so that's that's absurd to me um we go to Cabela's up in Rogers a lot and that it does belong up there um it's something like that I'm I'm all for growth and it's not that I don't want anything to be here I know that it needs to develop and I knew that coming in uh to Corcoran but and this is not what I had in mind and um yeah I'm just very worried about the sound buffer if this follows through I mean there's nothing there and then um my kids are at race ultimately too so I'm worried about that as well um and then the road I mean that's a lot of wear and tear on the road you're talking that many people going in and out every day um I will tell you that the infrastructure in the road that's there right now cannot handle that for more than maybe a couple years so um that's that's all I have to say I'm sorry for echoing other comments but I'm right on board with them so we appreciate your comments thank you for taking the time to come out and speak with us thank you yes ma'am please state your name and your address please thank you for holding the mic for us by the way you're doing a great job and I can't imagine this being here it's just I can't imagine that you want to do this program put this in the heart of Corcoran it doesn't belong here and I'm sorry that I'm so emotional but it just doesn't belong here it's just I have the same feelings as they do but I just wish she would reconsider thank you thank you ma'am does anyone else do we have anyone else I would like to yes sir sorry you'll be next sir hello all my name is Lee senram I have a business at 20010 75th Avenue North and then I also live at 20305 of County Road 50. and I own uh 40 some acres to the west of this which I purchased from Murphy hand family a good number of years ago and uh you know with the idea of having some kind of development there and you know I'm I'm not against development gosh I when I bought here uh that was really my initiative uh is is to uh have it develop you know someday and um one thing I'd like to make clear is like uh well on 75th Avenue North you know there's a number of contractors and um trucks coming in and out of there seven eight o'clock at night and it's really tough to get on 116 you know the way it is and uh you know we're all this traffic is going to be channeled it's it's going to change the face of uh corcoran's Road system the nods what what Larkin is now will not be the Larkin after this development is through so um what whatever goes here uh is probably going to be on part of my property too to the west and I just want for you the staff to take a good look at this don't sell us something that we can't sell too um if it means a great deal to us also taught him thank you for your comment sir and for taking the time to come out and share them with us sir please state your name and your address please I'm at 19949 Larkin Road so I'm up closer to the Mini Storage first of all I'd like to know when the hearing came out about when the ordinance was changed from residential to light Industrial I don't remember seeing anything like that I should have been notified all of us should have been notified um I don't see the benefits of this uh is Larkin going to be the main road is there not going to be 75th connected through um when you tried pushing 10 and 50 through Larkin Road five years ago that was we already under the understanding that Larkin Road couldn't handle traffic like that how is it going to handle truck traffic now you recoded it it's split already there's seams everywhere there's patches everywhere you're going to run water and Sewer to this where is that gonna where is it going to go through I'm assuming you're going to run a down Larkin kind of re-ripped up again um what's going to happen with runoff I put up a 30 by 40 shed in 2011. I had to notify all my neighbors saying okay now there's this patch of ground where water cannot soak in anymore it's going to run off it's going to run into the neighbor's yard because my our yards are sloped where is this nothing's soaking it anywhere here and you got acres and eight you know yards whatever it's at least a couple acres of complete hard surface where is it going to run to you has that been addressed you're going to overflow that Creek I had to go through all kinds of steps put through the ordinance just to build my building I had to match my house my house has vinyl siding I had a vinyl side my shed looks like they can do whatever they want here where's the regulations I do not uh approve of it either I'd like to know how it got this far without anybody knowing we should have been notified that's it thank you for your comments tonight sir uh would anyone else like to address the commission yes sir sure please yeah it's so everyone online can hear you I don't know if anybody remembers um it's got to be about six seven years ago now we had the massive rain in October we had about 10 inches of rain one night that Creek flooded completely flooding most of the homes in the area and the street was impassable for about a day or two that was just from a rainfall if this goes in that Creek it goes to a basically a wetland there's no way it can handle that kind of water drain off if there's no way to move that water some other way you're flooding this area anytime you get a heavy right thank you would anyone else do we have any more comments no okay you know I do just want to thank everyone for coming out we understand how important this is to all of you so thank you members of the public online Gail will speak first since she's been patiently waiting but if there's anyone else who would like to address the commission please um raise your hand Mouse and we'll get you in queue if you're on your phone that'd be by star nine and if you're on your computer or other mobile device you will be able to use the raise your hand function via the reactions menu and Gail go ahead and book please State your full name and address yes hi my name is Gail Waldorf I live at 20117 Larkin Road I apologize for not being there in person tonight I had a commitment to attend um but I'm glad that the discussion is still happening now I live between Ryan and Dan on Larkin Road and their view would be mine a complete cement wall and um what is really disheartening about this whole thing is that a number of us have said that we work in buildings like this we work in neighborhoods like this and then we go home to our safe retreats and if you're going to rezone this to Industrial you're bringing crime and everything else that comes with it into our neighborhood we are in neighborhood we are residential we are the first landowners not this Builder not this developer we are a neighborhood we want to keep it that way and we want to keep it safe um please do not rezone this to be industrial this is Extreme industrial what I picture is that this four foot long building become an Amazon rented building can you imagine that going through Larkin Road there are oh my gosh I don't know how many people a day I see walking jogging kids biking horse riders riding their horses down Larkin Road um and so this is even a topic to come forward to have this be zoned industrial when you have families living here doing those things in a safe place right now because it won't be if this goes through um one thing that I'm really concerned about is that you have 75th Street I know that Dan brought that up why are we not utilizing that Industrial Area already use what we have versus ruining somebody else's home one other concern that I have are lights what type of lights are these big ass buildings going excuse me big buildings going to bring to our neighborhood can you just imagine this fluorescent thing I remember I don't know six seven years ago that the gas station was not even allowed to have some type of fluorescent light or sign what are these buildings going to be huge and very bright um these buildings are not even seen in Minneapolis of all places and here we're going to have a little ton of Corcoran become this industrial place no we don't want this um I can see this land becoming residential or light industrial like some of us have said that makes sense right utilize 75th leave Larkin a Rhone alone um Elementary School is perfect for all of the homes that you guys are allowing to build And yet when you look at Corcoran there's so many other less desirable pieces of land that these warehouses can go on for example the Triangular land just east of Larkin near the big Power Plant that's going up what are you going to do with that and if you think about it how many homes are you affecting there one versus all of us here on Larkin Road and then what about the land just North of city hall my late husband used to call it the Corcoran Flats because it would always flood why not put the warehouses there if you want an industrial place it's less desirable land for Less desirable buildings just like these please do not consider to rezone this land to be Industrial it is not the place it is not the time thank you thank you for your comments tonight Gail and I appreciate you uh waiting um with us tonight uh Mr chair no one else is raising their hands members of the public one last call for um okay I'll uh I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing I'll make that motion I will second okay uh all in favor say aye aye aye opposed nope okay we'll uh close the uh public hearing and now uh we'll open up uh commission discussion and uh I'll lead off myself one moment chair may I ask one question sure uh because it was brought up more than a few times could staff potentially just address the reason we're not using 75th is that possible and then we can begin our discussion yeah yeah please thank you yeah um 75th actually does not uh extend to this property there's a vacant lot between 75th and this property so the property that is owned by another party is not for sale and it is a buildable lot of record in our existing Industrial Park thank you so we're entering uh our discussion now can we turn off this microphone given me tinnitus and thank you to our very own tech support team thank you you'll be paid a uh a union wage so um I'm going to take this myself to start so uh just a little housekeeping one thing that I think is kind of weird about this report is that the uh the page numbers are incorrect on every single page they say one of two two of three three or four four of five and I just want to point this out just in case if there's some issue with the underlying template thank you I have three topics that I'd like to discuss with respect to this item first puds are generally used in areas guided mixed use or mixed residential use unless the city finds that it is applicable in other districts please see city code 1040.140 subdivision 3 as a threshold issue since when has the city found that puds are appropriate in areas guided light Industrial as we know most ped applications are residential I see that the staff report indicates that city council has reviewed the sketch but I don't believe that it specifically found that puds are appropriate in areas guided light residential second and this was pointed out by Mr Feehan and by staff the loading areas are not in compliance with our code they encroach significantly within the 300 foot requirement section 1060.060 States and this was the section cited by staff that quote loading areas established after March 23 2004 shall be prohibited within 300 feet of residentially zoned or guided property a less completely screened by an intervening building loading areas not requiring screening by an intervening building shall be screened from adjacent residentially zoned or guided property by the use of berms fences or walls to provide 100 percent opacity to a height of at least 10 feet the height of the screening shall be measured from the grade of the loading areas end quote my read of this code section is that it indicates that no level of screening is going to be sufficient unless it is an intervening building not a tree not a shrub not a bush not Landscaping but this section appears to apply to gravel surfaces staff report cites this code section and it seems like the applicant is requesting flexibility from this requirement so it seems to believe it seems that it is subject to that requirement in context it seems to relate to gravel parking lots this is important because it's the difference between screening using another building or screening using Landscaping like a bush if that section cited by staff applies only to loading areas with gravel then I think that Mr Feehan is correct and section 1060.070 sub 2 j3 applies which states that quote loading and service areas shall be screened from properties guided or zoned residential and from public streets as it sits now there is no screening in fact the applicant doesn't meet other Landscaping standards and is not asked for flexibility from those requirements either so at the end of the day this application seems to have a couple of silent not explicit requests and third I have concerns that the flexibility being requested is not defined in some areas for example one of the three flexibilities requested is quote unknown for the side slash rear parking setback I do not think that we should write a blank flexibility check where we do not know with Precision what the applicant is asking for in addition to that the benefits the city is receiving assuming the Pud standard applies are one new Industrial Development in the city to make off-site Street improvements at Larkin Road and County Road 116. three deed a site for a future city well and you know cash these are benefits but the benefits aren't really a bargain it's basically Corcoran let us do this and what we are doing is so good that that should be enough of a benefit for you why can't they just do it and comply with the code so to recap I think we have a few issues one whether a PUD is even appropriate here in a location guided light Industrial two we have the screening issue which in my view is the biggest flexibility requested and three and more generally we are providing flexibility in exchange for quote benefits the biggest of which is one-sided and is essentially quote what we are doing is a benefit enough and Corcoran you should just be happy that we're building in your city for the reasons I have explained I am going to vote to recognize to recommend denial of the application but I would like to hear from my other colleagues thank you uh if I may I have a few clarifying questions for staff um that should guide my comments but one of the clarifying questions is it was brought up that the rezoning is from this medium density to light industrial and I just want to clarify that it's not rezoning it's already been rezoned as light industrial it's whether it should be rezoned for a PUD is that correct okay so I just wanted to clarify that because that was something that kept coming up in public comments so this has already been determined on the map to be light industrial the request for rezoning tonight is to change it from light residential to a PUD which offers flexibility light industrial sorry I don't even know what I just said second day with no coffee um okay so that was my first clarifying thing and then secondly when we talked about the grading Kendra you had mentioned that it was going to be 10 feet lower or sunken the back building um but I wanted to to clarify that that still means that the overall height of this building will be 30 feet from what the the residents can see not that it's going to be that they will only see the 10 feet correct I mean I'm pretty sure uh correct okay I I don't remember if it's 30 feet I can't remember the building so I think in the in our packet the information put it roughly at a height of 40 feet so if it's 10 feet sunken what we're looking at overall from the west side not from the south side is a 30 foot elevation rather than but but from Larkin Road you would still be seeing the 40-foot elevation so I just wanted to clarify that um and then I had a question which was uh regarding the lot standards so in the light industrial the standards show or the lot standards given to us in the packet showed that the impervious surface the maximum impervious surface would be at 70 percent and I know that this was a big thing when we were reviewing um the schools and churches so that's why I wanted to touch on this it's currently stated that it's unknown for this property with a maximum impervious surface is and I guess I have two questions related to that is one do we kind of have an idea uh what that would be for the whole project but then also is that per plat a maximum impervious surface or is that per PUD so the code limits 70 per lot per lot the a person could ask as part of a PUD to apply that across the flat but okay code is per lot and they did not ask for flexibility for that and do we know per plant what this percentage of impervious surface is I don't have that calculation so they would have to comply the applicant is here and might be able to provide that but I don't have that information on the plans okay and then um it was that was my other question is that the proposed side and rear flexibility is currently unknown so that's the flexibility that the applicant is asking for but we don't have an a number it's listed in the packet and in bright red as unknown and so that is something that comes without conditions if there's an approval like or or in the approval uh uh number nine B commissioner I wrote what I think it is is okay five foot setback where 10 Feet's required it's just I scale bet on this okay I would rather it be dimensioned on the plan to confirm okay okay all right um so I guess I will I mean I I really appreciated all of the comments I do want you all to know that um we do take these these types of things quite seriously I drive out to the site of each location so I have done what you were all recommending which was to drive along Larkin Road and stand there and envision um and so I just want you to have the reassurance that people really are trying to dig into these I also understand and appreciate that it is one of the city's goals to create a tax base since 84 of the taxes from the city currently come from residents but I feel like a lot of the deviations that are being requested could be met if the building sizes were just scaled down um I know that we have also heard Council talk about as well as the commission we've talked about uh buffer zones in particular to Legacy what we were calling kind of Legacy neighborhoods um and I think that that's an important issue as we talk about bringing growth is how do we protect those who have invested um in um in you know residing here and so I think in particular considering the neighbors to the South and the neighbors to the West that there really should not be any deviation from the flexibility of the standards that have an impact on those uh transitions so all that to say it would be something that I would actually require a grader if we can't meet those those uh I mean at a minimum we should be meeting the standards that we have asked for especially since the intent is to do something better than just meet the minimum [Music] so in that regard being that one of the buildings is or the loading box is 60 feet from the residential home that's 240 feet closer than our current standards and does seem like it would be possible if the size of the building was just scaled down I too have some traffic concerns I guess long term I'm curious what will happen for where 50 and 10 come because even if this road this future road comes up to or when it comes up to County Road 50 just envisioning is and I know we can't see into the future because no one's holding that magic eight ball tonight but are we putting a stoplight at that weird intersection so it does seem even strange to be talking about directing um you know splitting the traffic for this new area between these two roads and then trying to funnel them into those areas and I do think that we want it to be a successful business park we want this uh there are types of buildings like this going up all over the place and I'd like to see something unique that makes uh future businesses want to have their business here if there are a number of places where they can get them Rogers Otsego Elk River then what would be the thing that sets it apart to say pull to Corcoran and goodness if traffic is is a difficult thing to pull your your business to this business park you know I think if I was a prospective business thinking about where I would rent that would certainly be one of the things that I would consider um I also you know just in terms of its appearance dwarfing some of the other light industrial businesses that it's surrounding I think it would look very out of place so I would agree at this point in time with my colleague that I don't think that the Pud standards have been met there isn't enough of a benefit to offer and Grant that kind of flexibility um if I were to talk about some other things that could be done for revisions in the future I would definitely look at scaling things back so that the codes could be met and I'd be interested in taking a second look that's what I have but I do reserve the right to make additional comments okay and you guys talked about a lot of stuff that I was already thinking about too I mean I I I and generally just for everybody else I generally agree these buildings I see them and I'm always like just amazed at like on 94. you look at the door going in for a human being and they're there's massive uh something like this is again you know we're gonna have now a nursing home essentially in the heart of Court brand and then a I wouldn't even call this a business park I don't know what this is big warehouses you know this is Court this will be this is what we're building our city around seems very very odd to me um I don't what I don't understand and I get we could we could say you know no to the Pud and that they you know must comply with our existing code but much of this could be if they were if they were pulled them back a little bit most of this could still be done within code right I mean the height of the buildings there's they could still be done is that a true statement that's correct yeah so so yes it would be further off the properties on the cell on the west um I don't know anything about from the properties on the south this is this at this point this is considered light industrial it meets our standards from uh from uh some of the stuff you were talking about Sir about the the architectural stuff there are standards to find this does meet it and so our code our law as a city now it does allow much of this not the Pud but it is unfortunate that this is a developer who who I don't know who is a huge representing them but from a from a city's perspective like this is what we're building our city around it's it really is unfortunate it would have been great to have seen more like a real business park where where there's little you know there's different kinds of uh smaller businesses running out of it versus large warehouses but um I think that I mean you guys already touched on the things I thought the benefits seem very silly uh maybe the maybe the well is the benefit but the fact that we're building a building here and that's the benefit was a very odd one yeah you guys really yeah you covered all the questions I had so yeah I just wanted to at least make my comments again that has a as a resident here that I and I don't live in this area I live North here in Corcoran but I just think this is very unfortunate traffic well I will add that as far as the request for setbacks like I would definitely be willing to consider a setback from the blue bonnet Road since that's like in an industrial neighborhood right but I think we really do need to protect the setback along Larkin Road because the residents who live across the street I do also feel like the trail is it if there was a a way it is kind of funny that it runs in between um and then yeah and so I just think about like it's not even running between like potentially it could be parking spaces depending on the business that's there but potentially it would be a loading deck area with semi trucks coming and going and so I also believe that a benefit to the city uh for like granting a PUD really would be if we if we could make that trail stick where it stays along the creek and comes along Larkin Road I mean I would see that that would be a potential benefit to the city as well so all that to say those were some additional comments that I wanted to make in case Council would like some suggestions on potentially what matters with regard to things that would be considered flexible on yeah if I could also ask too is there any kind of I didn't I don't know if I maybe it was in here and I missed it but a traffic study at all is that something we generally do for something like this I a feasibility study that's for sure yes um yes a full feasibility study was done with the eaw and I did not attach it it's a significant document but we certainly make that available to anybody who's interested here at City Hall it did look at traffic and that's where the requirements for the turn Lanes on Larkin and Larkin and Bluebonnet and Larkin n116 came from it does talk about existing traffic levels of service and potential traffic levels of service with the trips coming out of this so certainly can make that available to anyone that's interested in seeing copy of that thank you maybe it is in a packet from the eaw it's included in the eaw which is in the May 11th packet I believe okay thank you anything else no well I will just say too lighting is always a concern for me so I especially especially LED lights that are oh I feel like they are just brighter so obviously I would love it if Corcoran any business that comes to Corcoran could be a leader in what do we do to minimize the migration patterns of nocturnal birds that require um you know that get disoriented by excessive lighting but um all that to say there really isn't a lot of material people get disoriented well there's not any options out there but it wouldn't it be grand if that's something we could be known for so that's my wish list great thank you uh I'm going to make a motion to recommend denial of the draft uh ordinance uh approving this rezoning uh can I get a second I will second that and can we get a vote all in favor of the denial say I I all opposed oh um would you like to take an opportunity to slightly revise the uh well it barely took the vote oh there you took the vote okay so you do have to make it for the rest and the other two I may have wrote it wrong on your agenda but go ahead and just deny or just the same motion I think the other two are moot aren't they I thought they were we'll go ahead and just do it for the record I apologize okay better safe well I will uh I will make a motion to recommend denial uh of the draft uh resolution with findings of facts supporting the rezoning it says but uh you could make a motion for the rest well how about this I'll make a motion to deny the whole thing okay um I'll second that all right yeah let's wrap that up you just recommend to city council just everybody's clear so uh I have a second can I get a vote all in favor aye aye aye opposed all right that carries certainly I am Justin developer and I didn't get a chance to really I figured I was waiting for a chance to talk like maybe somebody would ask me uh to speak like it just says to clarify well I think everyone here had an opportunity yeah and I guess I was thinking well let's let the presentation roll out so everybody could okay and then at some point towards the end we'd still have a chance after your comments that maybe I'd have a chance that you would offer me a chance to at least speed well you were you were given an opportunity to speak when I gave all of them an opportunity to speak and you sat and you were quiet I'm just trying to explain my reasoning I was waiting for sure okay nonetheless I just appreciate the opportunity to speak um one of the things I'd like to say a couple things I'd like to say is number one we carefully came through the we went through all the gates of every meeting we spent numerous meetings here at the city okay sir I'm gonna cut you off our discussion is over well I just think I should have it you had an opportunity and you missed it I just made an application we have a lot I understand that but with all due respect we have already pleased we have already had our discussion we have already had our vote you had an opportunity to speak and you were silent so now we have other business thank you and with that may I ask to take a 10-minute break we've been at this 90 minutes okay thank you recording stopped thank you