e [Music] [Music] welcome and thank you for joining our first uh budget engagement listening session for FAL year 2025 um thank you for taking the time to join us this evening and we really look forward to hearing from you this uh tonight we're here for questions comments concerns Kudos anything you have we'd like to hear hear it um we also have various staff members in the room with us tonight and they are able to answer your question question as well so I'll keep it for a quick round of the traductions hello I'm Rodney Jameson director of Solway Services good even evening everyone Danielle Fraser Special Assistant to the city manager for Workforce Development Ryan Bergman I'm the strategy and budget director U Monica Holmes executive manager quarters of opportunity and the deputy planning director Rebecca Hepner director of Housing and Neighborhood Services good evening I'm Hannah bromberger I'm the assistant uh director of strategy and budget and I'm Tiffany Blackwell I'm in strategy and budget all right so my name is Cherry Smith I'm also in our strategy and budget um so tonight we're going to go over a couple housekeeping things in case you have questions for us we'll have a quick overview of our budget process and then from there we'll open the floor for questions um you'll be able to use the raise your hand feature if you joined us on WebEx so that you could be added to the speaking list if you are not comfortable with raising your hand uh you can always drop us a question in our Q&A box if you have happen to be doing Us on YouTube you're able to ask questions there and we're also monitoring the chat for those questions as well so with that I'll turn it over to our budget director Ryan Burman for a quick presentation so we want to make sure that we leave enough time for questions comments anything that you would like to get uh in the engagement process for your city council uh but I did want to take a little bit of time hopefully 10 minutes or so to talk a little bit about how the city of Charlotte's budget actually works uh you pay one property tax bill as I'm sure you know but that property tax bill is actually split between two entities so the majority of your property tax bill is paid to the county so almost two-thirds of it and the county supports uh what we would call the soft Services the people-based services such as education Social Services Public Health uh they're also in charge of the county jail the city which gets a little over onethird of the property tax revenue uh is primarily focused on some of the harder services like Public Safety and transportation Solid Waste Services you can see on your screen that when you pay your property tax bill uh those are the five biggest drivers between the city and county of where your dollars go which is primarily to school support and to Public Safety Services so now we'll dig a little bit deeper on the city aspect of your property taxes for the budget so when you pay your property tax bill the city gets a little over a third of it and of that it gets split a little bit further so the majority of it or 80% of it goes to the general fund which is where we pay our operating expenses so think of paying a police officer or a solid waste worker or a firefighter uh some of the service serves that we provide that's where those dollars come from but about 20% of what we pay goes into our Capital program our capital investment plan so that's where we pay for construction projects such as roads or side walks uh or a new fire station but it's also where we provide some of our housing investments in our our Housing Trust Fund if you look at the the pie chart to the right you'll see kind of a breakdown down of where your property tax dollars go um you don't see uh Transportation or housing as very big pieces of the pie and that's because that piece that's pulled out the capital support which comes from our capital investment plan that is almost entirely focused on transportation and housing so one of the more common questions that we get is around the police and fire budget and why it's such a a big proportion of our general fund budget unlike some of our other operations police and fire are both 24hour operations so what that means is to have one worker in any part of the city at any given time we actually need to employ five employees and on top of that if you look at police specifically if you think about those 13 police divisions on average they're each big enough to be one of the 15 biggest cities in North Carolina so in order to have 20 or so people working at any given time in those areas uh you need to employ a a significant amount of workers so another uh another layer deeper into the city budget uh we talked about the general fund you can see the main departments that we have within the general fund uh that all other category uh encompasses a number of departments that you would think of uh that essentially provide services to the entire city such as finance and budget and Human Resources um but that that all other also incorporates some of our support to nonprofits Financial Partners uh along with uh things like purchasing vehicles uh besides the general fund we also have Enterprise funds that are part of the city of Charlotte so Aviation cats which is our transit system water and storm water are all entities that have a reach and arrange well beyond the city of Charlotte's borders so the way that each of those functions is that they are supported without property tax Dollar in the case of Aviation it's funded entirely from business fees paid at Aviation uh for water and storm water it's funded by the user fees of everybody paying a water bill or a storm water bill uh throughout the city and throughout the region in the case of our transit system it's funded by user fees but it's also funded by a dedicated half cent sales tax that everybody in mecklinburg County pays in the bottom right you see special Revenue funds so these are funds that are restricted for very specific purposes so think of grants that we may get from the federal government we can only use them on specific purposes uh the other really common type of special Revenue fund we have and one of the more common questions we get are funds where we get Hotel taxes and meals taxes which are restricted by state law to be used on actions and items that boost tourism so that's why uh you may hear of support for the Charlotte Hornets Hornets or an arena or an event that's primarily coming from those funds which can really only be used for that purpose oh back one yeah so this is another way of looking at the property tax and the sales tax that you pay and how we split the funds currently in our budget so on the sales tax side other than the the amount that goes directly to cats we split everything between the general fund Debt Service fund for CIP and on the property tax side we do the same thing so when you look at the uh the blue arrows there what those are is those are going into the bucket that we can then support capital projects such as sidewalks and Roads and pedestrian Crossings and affordable housing so we primar go to next slide so we primarily do that through what we call a bond referendum uh the way the city of Charlotte does it is every two years we have a bond referendum that we put in front of the voters so these referendums are supported by the funds that we previously talked about and so that pays the debt on the projects that we put in these bonds so we are currently in the fiscal year 2024 budget this year does not have a bond referendum but we are currently in the process of developing the fiscal year 2025 Bond referendum so by the time we get to November of 2024 there will be a bond on the referendum for voters to vote on uh currently we anticipate at current Revenue levels that to be about $228 million and the actual bond that we have will be dependent on this budget process and the city council actions that they take so we do plan more than one year ahead of course and so if you look into our current fiscal year budget you'll see a draft five-year capital investment plan and so I won't go through these Stacks here this just represents a current plan that will will likely be adjusted by city council during this budget process but you can see the $50 million affordable housing bonds at the bottom and then you see a lot of other projects that we have been working on such as Street resurfacing and sidewalks and some of our public private Partnerships that we work on uh to generate [Music] jobs I'll call out specifically our affordable housing trust fund which prior to 2018 uh was support at around1 to15 million for every bond that was increased to $50 million in 2018 and we've now had three three straight $50 million housing bonds uh so in that time frame since we've started the Housing Trust Fund uh there's about 12,000 units that are currently out there and affordable uh because of the Investments that past City councils have made so we're building a budget uh internally what you're essentially doing is you're checking the anticipated Revenue that you will have to see how it compares to the current year and then you're trying to evaluate and analyze how much would it cost to maintain the current services that we provide to the community unfortunately the cost is not always the same because the cost of every individual thing that you're doing changes from year to year so the cost of healthcare or retirement for employe employes or the cost of contracts or supplies especially in the capital program do fluctuate from year to year so we evaluate what that costs uh we're constantly trying to seek out efficiencies trying to find ways to save money trying to find ways to avoid going to the taxpayer for a property tax increase wherever possible when we get to the end we also consider increases and decreases to service levels based on what city council has directed us to do or areas that city council would like to see uh enhancements made in as we're doing this uh the city of Charlotte uh has a long history of being a AAA rated Financial organization so that means that uh our our credit is as high as it can get uh it means that the finances have traditionally been managed well and it's under these three uh priorities that we have we fund our reserves we make sure that the revenue that we have from year to year uh is supporting the ongoing costs rather than uh as an analogy uh using your credit card to pay for ongoing expenses if you don't have Revenue to support them uh and we also maintain Capital affordability into the future so that future city councils have an opportunity for some of these bond referendums without going over some kind of a financial cliff and so comparatively we do try to compare ourselves to uh other cities in North Carolina and currently out of every city in North Carolina over 75,000 people and there's 13 of them we actually have the lowest city property tax rate uh you can see it on the left of this chart where the Green Dot in the bottom left uh we are actually the only city out of those 13 cities that has not raised property taxes in The Last 5 Years um and if you look at the bottom when you to incorporate sales tax property tax water Solid Waste fees storm water fees and you try to put them all together for a typical household we actually still maintain the lowest cost of service so this is something we're consistently benchmarking in and uh we're proud of the value that we're able to give city of Charlotte residents so the city council is the ultimate decider of the budget uh the way that it works and I'll talk a little bit about it in uh about the process itself in the next slide but we are trying to develop a budget based on the priorities that the city council lays out for us throughout the year so we have an annual strategy session but it's also throughout the year at City Council meetings where we're trying to uh develop a budget that they will then approve that meets the needs uh that they feel for the residents [Music] so the budget development process itself uh we actually just started our first budget develop uh budget workshop with city council yesterday uh we're a little bit into the engagement process so January through April we're working internally uh primarily on the budget but also with the engagement activities and then we turn the budget over in early May the manager presents a budget to city council there's a public hearing at that point and and it's then City council's budget to change uh every year I've been here they have uh had some changes uh so it's really something that uh they put their own touches on before it becomes the final adopted budget of the city so uh if you have your phone handy uh we do have some barcodes here for some public engagement opportunities please take our community input survey that we've developed uh you may uh you may have some fun with the uh budget simulation tool where you can uh make Cuts you can add to services and you can show us how you would design the city of Charlotte's budget uh and then also uh we did one listening uh or this is our first listening session we did a budget 101 a couple of weeks ago uh our next one is next week February 20th and then there's uh two more in March uh finally leading to the to the proposed budget and the budget public hearing the email at the bottom uh we have that open all the time for any engagement uh or questions anything you would like to do what we try to do each year is we take all of the questions commentary uh data from our engagement activities and we present to city council prior to the budget uh the uh the information so that they have it when they make budget decisions so with that I will turn it back over to uh Tiffany to get us started on uh any questions or comments that you'd like to make okay great so if you would like to speak um you need to use the raise your hand feature and the raise your hand icon is on the right panel of your screen it kind of looks like a high five um we'll keep a list of who's next to speak and then when it's your turn we'll let you know call your name and you'll be able to unmute um at any time you can drop questions in the Q&A chat and if you don't see it now there's three dots next to the chat button at the bottom right of your screen you can add questions there and we'll be sure to address those as well so so with that I'll give everyone a second to get acclimated to those um instructions and if anyone would like to speak you can go ahead and raise your hand we do have a couple follow-up questions from our previous session so I'll start with those and then we can make sure to um incorporate all the speakers that would like to speak as well so I'm going to start with one of the questions that we received previously and that is what is the corridors of opportunity it was mentioned at a presentation and I'm not sure what that means great well I will answer that uh the quarters of opportunity is the city's investment strategy around six historically underinvested corridors so from west to east that is a West Boulevard uh Wilkinson Freedom fat Ford rosell's Fairy North Tron North Graham Sugar Creek and albamar uh those corridors over time um have been not invested in the way that we would typically uh be able to create Economic Opportunity so the city started the program about three years ago uh to date we've invested about $75 million we've matched that and even exceeded that with private and federal dollars and that is all wrapped around infrastructure housing Economic Development public private Partnerships um and Workforce Development opportunities the goals of the program are really to uh provide Economic Opportunity for existing residents and business owners and leave a lasting Legacy based in Equitable development principles okay great um I think that's helpful um we had another question that we received about solid was Services my neighbors moved out but their trash is still at the curve oh no how can I check to see if there's a pickup schedule um I'll tackle that one you um all you have to do is actually contact our 311 department and they will actually once you give the address and location actually let you know if it's already scheduled or if you can schedule at that time okay great that's helpful uh we wanted to also ask a question about Workforce Development um what initiatives have been done with the city to recruit businesses here yeah I'll try to tackle that one so let me say thank you for having me I am the I think the new kid on the blog here now at the city of Charlotte for a little over six months um some initiative so we had um have a a higher Charlotte uh initiative that we've had for a couple of years now that has been really focused on how do we create and fill jobs today and tomorrow and so that initiative is really focused on um how are we ensuring one that we have the talent here for the jobs that are coming uh and for the businesses that are coming and those that are looking to expand in our area and so what that looks like is ensuring that economic development is tied closely to our Workforce Development Partners who are whether it's our community colleges our higher ed our community based organizations that are training and developing our talent and so hire Charlotte has been that most recent effort and initiative and we've got some um arpa dollars that we are putting forth out in the community to help support that framework that's been created okay great we have a question from Nick in the chat so thank you so much for adding that question the question is what will the $500,000 in bus shelter construction entail under non-general funds project summary schedule the awood station often has issues with lack of of adequate shelters and bathroom facil facilities as it also includes a mega bus stop will These funds cover such needs thanks thank you Nick for your question yeah so I'll tackle that I I can't talk too specifically because the way that it works is our transit system will estimate from year to year uh the amount of funds that they may need throughout the year uh or at least the amount of funds that they can put towards throughout the year improving bus shelters uh maintenance and uh uh enhancements to those bus shelters so in each year they'll have a prioritized list uh that they will try to go down with whatever additional funds are put in there as far as Arrowhead specifically I'm not sure where that is on the prioritized list but we will of course uh take that as a note that you feel that Arrowhead does need additional attention to their bus shelter thank you so much for the question we also have another question did we not have a property tax increase a few years ago so when you get a property tax bill um your city council only controls the city tax and the County Board of Commissioners controls the county tax and they're two uh totally different bodies that are um elected by the same people p uh primarily other than the county also has the towns as well um but the county has raised taxes a couple of times including this past year uh the city has not over the past five years um but what also happens in North Carolina is What's called the revaluation process where every four years now uh the county assessor will reassess all values within the county and so some properties go up a lot some properties go up a little bit and what the city has done each of the last two times we've revalued property is we've set the property tax rate at What's called the revenue neutral rate so we've actually lowered the rate last time we lowered it from uh 34 cents to 26 Cents and what that means is we are generating the same amount of Revenue even though everybody within the piie might have a slightly different piece than they did before so it's it's a little confusing we don't get any additional re Revenue at the city but some people will have higher or lower tax bills because of the revaluation as well okay great we also have a question about home ownership someone asked what are the ways that we are providing residents and opportunity to have home ownership I feel like it's hard to navigate the process sure I'll take that one so your city council has consistently prioritized home ownership opportunities it is still one of the best ways for households and families to achieve housing stability wealth generation over time and economic Mobility um but it is not easy um in the market here today in Charlotte to find a home afford a home and and navigate the process of purchasing the home so the city council has allocated funding year-over-year for the house Charlotte down payment assistance program which is the um the program that uh residents can use to access up to $30,000 in down payment assistance and other uh home ownership support such as pay closing costs and whatnot so we have a lot of Partners uh that help us in this work because again the process is not easy to navigate and so we also contract with Partners who do Financial counseling who do uh advocacy to help potential homeowners learn about their options uh and then help potential homeowners go through the process of finding a home but we know that it's harder and harder to find a home that's affordable or even find anything on the market right now so city council has been very uh creative and strategic and identifying new opportunities for home ownership such as the acquisition rehab resale program uh so you may have heard heard of some of these programs how Charlotte we call it ARR and there are a lot of different ways to for potential homeowners to learn about those options and we encourage you to reach out to find out more okay great we have a followup from the chat when you talk about the 12,000 affordable housing units created what percentage of those units are at 30% Ami or below affordable as we know is not affordable for everyone it might be helpful to also review what Ami is as well sure so Ami stands for area median income and it is the way that the federal government actually defines housing affordability and so the area median income in Charlotte uh today is around uh 990,000 plus dollars so that means half of the households that live in Charlotte make less than that and half of the Char households that live in Charlotte make more than that but when we talk about affordability it also depends on how many people live in your household and so 30% Ami means uh the lowest percent that's the lowest percentage of Ami is typically our most um vulnerable households often people that are on fixed incomes uh or or very little income at all or people that are uh living in permanent Supportive Housing uh or otherwise uh need needed additional uh uh supports so the O over time since the start of the Housing Trust Fund in uh 2002 um the that Housing Trust Fund has created or preserved uh over 12,000 units and and also some shelter beds in our community and city council has an adopted policy that every uh development that comes in and asks for funding from that Housing Trust Fund must have at least 20% of the units affordable at 30% Ami and below and it's not the only way we can get to the support for 30% Ami households but through the Housing Trust Fund uh the requirement is 20% now in the last five years since the increase of the bonds um city council has actually approved uh 25% of the housing uh unit it's um at 30% Ami and below so there's been a significant focus on ensuring that uh all households are supported in the city's investment and affordable housing okay great that's helpful um for the homeowner we have a question about yard waste um why do I have to put my yard waste in a paper bag now and then where can I get these bags great question thank you give me a little time a little time pass um so yard was for over 20 plus years we've been collecting yard was and plastic bags and uh the county doesn't accept the yard weights in those plastic bags um to help reduce the service time and make sure that we're actually servicing and providing a service on your scheduled service day um we need to move to a more um beneficial plan and process for us all so we uh had to get out of the plastic business because at the curb side a yard ways driver and worker had to debbag that yard ways bag and dispose of what's inside of it at your curtain and there's hom worth hundreds of bags of plastic bag in time just think how long that will take um if you have over 42,000 homes a day um so we had to move to paper bags which helps with the process also is biodegradable um so it's easier for composting all right um but I do want to make a point it's not just paper bags you can actually you go buy a personalized rubber made or some type of cart um that you can continuously use over and over again at the curve um for yard waste collection that that's a lot quicker as well you know but um that's why we actually have to move that now for limited time only you can come to 12200 out street and collect uh Leaf Bags paper Leaf Bags charge um so um that's what we're able to offer right now to help with that all right so 12200 o pleas come and pick up thank okay great we got a followup question to that um do we have to label the cart how does that work if we're using a cart from somewhere maybe purchase from a small business right um that we're putting on our our curb side um if you can that'll be great you can put YW on it or whatever you like but the C as long as we see it's not a city of Charlotte car uh we know it has to okay great and we try to keep the limit of the weight to to at least 75 pounds of okay that's really helpful um I did want to uh put a reminder we're almost at um our little over our halfway mark and if there's persons that would like to ask their question directly to the panel you still have the option to do that we're keeping a list so if you would like to come off mute and ask your question directly and not place it in the chat you still have time to do that so um feel free if you're interested in talking directly to the panel you can do that I'd also like to add if you don't have a question if you just like to add feedback or commentary we're here to receive that as well so feel free to add um raise your hand and and let us know what You' like to say so we have that as an option as well uh another question we've received previously just to um while we have the panel here who decides what's in the city's budget so the uh City staff is uh constantly trying trying to work under the policy direction of the city council uh the city council is setting priorities uh suggesting initiatives uh seeking out goals that they would like uh the city manager and City staff to accomplish and from that uh City staff uh City budget office will work with each of the Departments that provide services uh to evaluate their services talk about uh enhancing those Services improving those Services U maybe deter mining uh what's not a core service priority uh it all builds together into one proposed budget that uh city council then adjusts and approves so the ultimate decider is our city council uh but there's a lot of uh professional work going on from uh from the 8,000 city employees uh that work for the city okay a question we received from um a participant so thank you so much for your question how does the city enforce the number of affordable housing units that a developer has promised to include in their housing project that's a great question when Ryan referenced the 8,000 professional staff at the city of Charlotte there are four of those employees on our asset management team in Housing Services and their job is to maintain the entire portfolio of City invested housing units which goes well beyond the 12,000 units from the Housing Trust Fund and includes any unit that has a deed restriction for affordability created through our house Charlotte home ownership program any of our housing repair and Rehab programs of course Housing Trust Fund so well well over 12,000 units in that portfolio and annually each property is uh reviewed at monitor for compliance and then also site visits are made uh reports are submitted from the from the development Partners Property Management on a periodic basis throughout the year and so U just the the the level of effort that goes in behind the scenes to ensure that affordability um is really significant um but but our our asset management team do an incredible job job of maintaining that portfolio and ensuring compliance great thank you we had a followup question about Workforce Development is Workforce Development for internal like city employees or is Workforce Development for our residents just one of some clarification good question so I I'd have to say both and right so so when it comes to Workforce Development um we as the city of Charlotte we are first an employer right 8,000 employees we continue to say that but then also we're a community serving organization so as an employer we want to make sure that we're attracting the best talent that we have in our community but then also as a community serving organization we want to ensure that we're supporting external Talent too and so Workforce Development that really means ensuring that our talent have the skills the education um the training that they need to get a good job and and hopefully be able to afford to live um here in our community and take care of themselves and their families and so in turn that also helps support our business community in accessing the talent that they need okay great we also had a question about corridors they sound great um how can I get one near me so we are um it's it's an interesting day and time to be asked that question because I think when we started with corridors of opportunity uh people had um the ability to think well maybe they're a negative connotation and to see that Dynamic change over the years with investment is is really um something special so we're actually trying to get to that answer this year of what that process looks like and if we do expand if we don't expand uh we are not finished with the work um the work continues it's generational work um there's a lot of change to happen we kind of got ourselves into this over generations of disinvestment and it's really going to take that from both the public and private sector within the current six corridors that we have to kind of change that tide and create the econom economic oper opportunity but we recognize that there are parts of the city that would like to see that investment in their neighborhood and so we have um we used a data approach the first time we use a data approach as we continue um and so we're kind of going through that right now as to when would that happen what does that look like um and what would that process be so feel free to um shoot me an email if you want more information on that if you want to be connected to that and we can kind of get you connected ConEd as part of that conversation as we uh really kind of heat up that conversation and you know wrap up the early work in the T six corridors okay um we don't have any persons so that have uh signed up to speak or raised their hand so we do want to um provide the option we do have an email address that was referenced in the earlier presentation so that's also available if something comes to you as you're eating dinner tonight or as you're just thinking about budgets as you do I'm sure every night before you go to sleep um you can send an email to us and we'll be sure to get you an answer all right so with that I want to say thank you to everyone that was able to join us tonight both on YouTube and all of our attendees on our webx um one more question one more question okay all right okay all right we got one more question there you go see um with 8,000 employees in the city many of of which have food insecurity has anyone thought has any more thought been given to increasing the minimum wage to $25 per hour so uh we talked about uh the city's minimum wage a little bit yesterday at the budget Workshop uh just like I showed earlier with benchmarking other North Carolina cities we also uh typically compare ourselves to 20 cities nationally that our Economist has decided most resemble Charlotte cities like Austin and Columbus and Nashville and cities like that so comparatively uh the city of Charlotte's minimum wage for a uh full-time General employee of $22 and uh 12 cents an hour is actually higher than all 20 of those peer cities uh that's something that has been a city council initiative over the last couple of years uh I believe it's uh increased something like 38% uh over the last three years so that has been done primarily for uh you mentioned food insecurity but also housing affordability uh trying to make sure that uh if you work for the city of Charlotte uh there is a minimum about $46,200 right now that you will get paid um to start and then traditionally that will go up as you move along so we have been aggressive in that front um not sure yet uh what the direction from City Council will be moving forward uh but over the last few years uh We've definitely put a key focus in that area of kind of boosting our lowest paid employees okay I guess no one wants to take budget um talks to to bed tonight because we do have a speaker and then we I think we have another question so first we'll do our speaker um forgive me if I don't pronounce this correctly sarari you want to come off with you she posted in the chat too the question in the chat there's a question in the chat yeah see how do you prioritize your budget every year and is there any shift in your priorities before it gets completed or how do you add new ones so are uh shifts in priorities or new priorities typically come from uh the city account the city council uh oftentimes from the annual strategy session and just as an example uh the 2023 annual strategy session uh they uh suggested some new areas that they wanted to see additional focus in and that was small and minority owned businesses uh Workforce Development and tackling the digital divide so when we developed the budget last year uh we took those into account uh provided additional resources for Charlotte business inclusion which is our mwsb uh Department uh for the city to try to uh make sure that the spend rate for City Services represents the city as a whole and and the region as a whole um and then for uh Workforce Development um actually sitting next to uh uh uh Danielle a Special Assistant for Workforce Development that uh was brought in to try to bring additional Focus to that area so to answer your question the shift in priorities or the additional priorities uh comes from our policy board our governing body and we are constantly trying to seek out new ways to uh enhance those services that had been pointed out okay I think the last question that we've gotten um how are funds directed to DSS which I think is the Department of Social Services for employment Recruitment and pay each time I call their call center I'm on hold for two hours or told lines are busy it's a call back later so sure so uh the Department of Social Services uh I I assume we're talking about um at the local level is actually a county function um so you would want to uh communicate with um I'm not sure if there's a County uh uh a county call center or something sorry this this for the city budget we actually don't handle um social services so unfortunately uh we we can't be terribly helpful there we'll see if we can drop a link in the chat okay um I'm going to do a last call and I'm glad I did because here's one more question is there any Co relief money left over from last year being that Co is back on the rise so all but um I I want to say about $3 million has been allocated of our covid relief dollars um that does not mean necessarily that it's been entirely spent um we have until uh the end of this calendar year to obligate the funds that's a accounting term I suppose to basically decide contract where the funds are going to be spent and then to actually spend them we have until the end of 2026 so there's not a lot that's not spoken for but in the event of uh some kind of uh large impacts from another wave for instance uh some of our programs are at the stages where we likely could shift and rep prioritize if necessary to other uses of those funds okay great well if you think of any more questions from our panelists or if you're watching on YouTube feel for to send us an email and I'll turn it back over to Jerry all right so for real this time thank you for joining us this evening thank you for your participation and your engagement um wonderful questions for our panelists so I sincerely appreciate it um you if you'll check the chat I have dropped a link for our uh Community input survey I really appreciate it you take a moment to complete that as well as take a stab at our Balancing Act to see how it feels to try to balance the budget that starts in a significant deficit if you have any questions or if there was anything that we weren't able to answer for you tonight or if you weren't quite able to get your question pulled together please feel free to send us an email at strategy and budget at charlot deny. or make that a little easy for you visit our website CLT go. me/ budget and you'll be able to find all of our contact information and all of our engagement opportunities so with that thank you and I hope you have a great [Music] night