all right Josh Brown would you do us a favor with the invigation this evening all right we'll we'll stand and remain standing as we say the Pledge Allegiance today God we ask that you lead and guide us so that we may be good that you have entrusted us with we just thank you for all you've done for us thank you for what you're doing and God we thank you for we know you're going to do in Jesus mighty name we just pray amen amen of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with delivery and justice for all thank you Josh Brown appreciate it all right in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act chapter 4 title 30 code of laws of South Carolina 1976. an agenda's been posted on the front door of City Hall a notification of this meeting's been given to the news media Madam clerk I understand we looks like we have a quora correct all right all right personally agenda's approval of the consent agenda if anybody's reading reviewed our minutes from August 15th meeting I will entertain a motion motion to approved you have a motion by Miss balls second by Mr Miller any further discussion regarding approval of the consent agenda all in favor of approval of the consent agenda that motion carries unanimously to six votes this evening first on the agenda we have uh quarterly a new employee introduction we do have a lot of employees to enter this tonight so I'm going to go ahead and get started on a first acknowledge Mr James Whitaker our building official mayor city council good evening permate Clerk in my way of a banking industry and we got her from the probate court in Franklin County so I'm very happy to have her I think she's going to elevate her permitting process or skills she's also a bilingual I'm also with some of the people and contractors that we come in contact with so I'm very happy to have her in in Spanish right okay just making sure it was something useful yeah thank you thank you I'd like to recognize if she can hear me Full House Hey sir can you use the mic yeah good evening good evening have two employees to introduce first is Shalia Coates she is our customer service clerk she started back in June and has Breeze through the Crazy Summer that we have had and she recently graduated from Piedmont Tech and she was a member of the National Technical Honor Society she's also cold all the time right she always has a little blanket welcome Julia welcome yeah look forward to seeing you around second employee actually is kind of old-faced new face he's been with the police department almost nine years is Justin Williams and he started today and has hit the ground running Justin what will you be doing in finance police officers gotcha well welcome thank you welcome welcome to that department you've already been here very glad to keep him with the city yeah I appreciate it okay all right uh assistant chief fire chief Hall come on up sir excuse me good evening good evening tonight I'm sorry tonight we have a gentleman that's been with us a really long time about 15 years through his dad but uh Carson's new to us he I think just got off probation today he's been with us about six months he's a 2020 graduate at Greenwood High School and uh he's firefighter one certified so he he works hard he's a good employee glad to have him that's firefighter probation right yes okay is your dad here to bug me okay probably after a long shift probably taking it easy that's right well you'll come in in the morning that's right well Carson welcome yeah thank you guys thank you I also have Sydney Brown uh Miss Brown was I was able to make it she's going to be placed on the December okay we look forward to meeting her all right uh Chief Owen Chief does yeah yeah right now okay good evening um first person I'd like to introduce is Chelsea um so Chelsea Hoover she is actually our first female animal control officer so we're excited about that she's done a just a Immaculate job so uh she served in the U.S Air Force as military police she's currently married she has two kids um the next person is Jackie and Miss Jackie if I get you to stand up um Jackie Simpson she's currently one of our school crossing guards and she's assigned to Rice Elementary School she came to us from the school district but she briefly had worked with us for about eight years and now she's came back to do the same job with the with the crossing guard the next young man is uh Mr Adams Savion Adams he's currently in our PTO program he's graduated from the Criminal Justice Academy and he's assigned to Bravo Sheriff going through his first phase he has associate degree in criminal justice from Piedmont Tech he currently or he previously worked at South Carolina Department of Corrections and he has one little girl so we're very fortunate to have all three of these with our department welcome well welcome congratulations everyone that's his real height oh Chief is giving someone a hard time I like to recognize Eric Leary the Public Works director good evening good evening mayor council I'd like to introduce to y'all tonight Brooke Smith she has been with us since May 31st and she is working in our Horticulture Department we're really happy to have her she's done really well so far she's learning a lot through Diana and some other staff members and we're just we're really pleased with the work he's working that climate-controlled environment all day long right thank you thank you all right and last but not least I'd like to recognize our shop superintendent Mike Hodge he has one employee to introduce this evening good evening mayor and Castle I'd like to introduce to you Brooks Decker he comes to us from Greenwood Auto Salvage and before that he was the uh parts manager at Chevrolet place so you may recognize him from there sure got about 24 years of experience in the automotive field and we're proud to have you he's uh you're doing a good job for us great welcome bro it's been a minute since I've seen you yeah that concludes our employee introduction this evening well glad to glad to have everyone I'm glad to see a diverse group of individuals that reflect the community that they just that they serve so it's always great thank you under public hearings this evening we have item number one is to consider ordinance number 22-020 which amends our zoning District regulations um our master plan residential zoning District um and I have Mr Carlisle cover this item for you all all right so this had first reading last week so it was gone through in plenty of detail then but just touching the highlights NPR's needs an existing zoning District Master Planned residential it allows Council on Planning Commission and developers to lay out a plan for a subdivision if approved the site plan that's listed up here with all those requirements would then become locked into place the developer would be obligated to follow that or come back through planning commissioning city council to change that plan they also have to provide a narrative that outlines um the development types of housing open space so forth density lot sizes and summary of the design it also includes optional items including traffic study phasing plan and Landscaping open space plan those are only required if you request them or Planning Commission requests though one of the changes in the language though from last week comes in the last section of the ordinance dealing with whether it can be an administrative change at the staff level or if it has to come back to you all is this 10 increase in utility demand we spoke with CPW and Greenwood Metro and they were in favor of this change so long as we added the language contingent upon availability and capacity of the impacted utilities it's highlighted for you there it's a reasonable change basically it allows them a chance to say we can't serve this subdivision so in with that capacity so it gives them a chance to weigh in on the development through the approval process um what was removed so as I said it's an existing ordinance and we drove to streamline it at your request to make it a little more accessible a little more inviting to developers to come forward with it we removed a section that talked a lot about needing to tie to one of these two items in this bulleted list these are from the comprehensive plan these are goals planning goals the comprehensive plan envisions we originally took that out as part of streamlining process of this ordinance last week there's a lot of conversation about putting it back in some context this paragraph has been added proposed the NPR District shall respect existing development by respecting the character integrity of the neighborhood must incorporate an Innovative design characteristics and creatively promote the Urban Tree canopy so it ties back to some of those important goals within a comprehensive plan to make sure that we we preserve some of those things additionally we took out the requirements to discuss floor plan and elevations of proposed homes a lot of developers are coming before they have a builder on board and this allows them just to focus on getting the land use they're looking for um parking requirements dumps locations other things on that list now one thing that's also important to note is that this is an Innovative Design District so that allows for Greater Community input at the Planning Commission level they can hold up to two public hearings for the public to come and share their opinion that's a little different right now there's typically one public hearing this ordinance allows for up to two to allow for as much public input as possible yes at Planning Commission stage that's correct okay that's correct they decide if there should be one or two yes do they have the flexibility of whether or not they need to hear more or feel it feel they need to hear more but a maximum that would allow for three different public hearings during the resulting process so a lot of public input is welcome under this ordinance say the three major changes here would be that it only provides more accountability on the part of the person requesting the rezoning the developer whoever that might be um the second thing it does is I think um it really drops more of the you need to be Innovative you need to respect the character of the neighborhood and you need to try to protect trees um rather than saying okay choose two of the seven we're just saying you got to do these things and um I just I said third three bullets what was my third book do you remember do you remember my third bullet Carol it's been a really long day um so I think it drives more towards accountability Simplicity um the the way this ordinance was written I think was very cumbersome and it was it was leading developers not to want to use it because I think they had to commit to so many things on the front end that they knew that they would have to come back later and request changes via Council and so I think this streamlines it makes it a little bit more attractive for developer to or anybody to request the zoning provides a little more accountability um and then drives that highlighted area there sure there's a final note Planning Commission reviewed this this morning and they recommend approval okay of the changes as well that was my next question all right since this is a public hearing is there anybody that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 22-020 is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 22-020 let the record reflect their nine all right do I hear a motion to entertain ordinance in between two zero two zero motion to amend ordinance zero three is it zero three-010 this right there I miss you consider ordinance number 22-020 amending ordinance number zero three dash is zero one zero zoning ordinance chapter three zoning District regulation Article 2 residential district resolution regulations Section 3.2.12 MPR master plan residential zoning District we have a motion by myself second by Mr Banks open discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 22-020 I suppose uh well go ahead well I just want to make sure that we reviewed that this is clearly not contract zoning we're very confident in that right come on up let's go I did I did reiterate that again and again I think the difference between a contract zoning situation and this is that we're offering it up as an alternative and not forcing it on an applicant okay okay and that was my concern is that if we had somebody come in and say you have to do this or we're not going to prove you're rezoning then obviously we're overstepping it but if we're working with them and trying to come up with an Innovative sign and better opportunity then I think we're very safe right so let me ask this is is this going to be the only MBR option after okay so it's not like the previous one's going to exist it's just an amendment of that one yeah truthfully uh if you had this one and another one and one was one restricted than the other I don't think anybody would ever select the other one so it didn't make sense to have a less you know like a NPR light and an NPR heavy because who would pick more restriction you know I just don't think that I think that would be a wasted use of a zoning classification and I call it PDD life I mean just to prove that it's a good opportunity for discussion I have members of the Planning Commission today say why aren't we looking at this in the county so we're probably going to open it back up to the counties version too we can Inspire that maybe that's a good thing you know I mean the I think the reason that we we proposed a an amendment to the NPR ordinance was really for some of the the instances we're gonna we're gonna entertain afterwards because like you said some people were were frustrated by the the Hoops they had to jump through for the NPR as it existed and this is going to give a lot of flexibility that's going to that I think will will help where you have we have issues between our four and R7 or you've got a large swath of land where the developer says we promise we're not going to develop it but you can't ever hold them to it because they could sell that property and the new purchaser could do whatever they want to with it so I think it's a I think it's a useful tool to have any further discussion regarding ordinance number 22-020 all right all in favor of ordinance number 22-020 have motion carries unanimously with six votes all right what do we have today sure public hearing number two sincere ordinance number 22-018 which offends uh amends a zoning uh ordinance by rezoning approximately 32 and a half acres of land located at 1427 Cambridge Avenue East I think so it's the extension actually from IP institutional professional to R7 high density residential I think we've covered this uh multiple times with the work session in and um in work session and in um regular meeting good um this is the proposal here's for 103 Lots this is East Cambridge on the left and you see the triangle split where you go up to the right there to go to 96. um and straight down Gateway there this is the parcel outlined in red right behind us the Walmart and the Sphinx there again it's approximately 32 and a half 33 Acres located in Miss bowls water and they're requesting iptar 7. this is a public hearing all right is there anyone that wishes to speak in favor of ordinance number 22-018 yes ma'am good evening hi Mr mayor council staff it's great to see everybody I've had the pleasure of meeting with uh some most of you previously um I'm Patricia Chason I represent four star the developer for this project um four star is a multi-regional developer we are publicly traded we are fully funded developers so what that means is once we have all our permits in place our board of directors decides to go ahead with the project we are fully funded from the start no bank loans or anything that would slow development especially during these questionable times with mortgage rates increasing I see a lot of concern from localities that the developer will start and not finish and the land will be just bare I want to kind of alleviate your concerns that once we sign up to develop this property it will be fully developed four star is a lot developer so at this time we don't know who the builders will be on our project of this size it most likely will be one Builder the next one up on the docket is Marshall it's a little bit larger there's a good possibility that we'll have multiple Builders contributing to the development we're seeking an R7 for the East Cambridge site most of that is due to some of our due diligence found a lot of environmental features such as streams and wetlands there's also a lot of floodplain in the back of the project along the creek so only a portion of it can be developed so what we proposed is to lessen the lot size to increase the density for the developable portion but I'd like to point out that even though we're going for R7 for this project our minimum lot size is over 7 000 square feet and our density is well below the allowable density of seven units per acre at 4.4 we've conducted Environmental Studies on the property already we've done a traffic study which dot has already approved which requires us to widen and install a left-hand turn lane into the development from the Walmart side at the signal R7 I what we believe is a good Zoning for this is because it is adjacent to a highly commercial part property such as Walmart between the lower density neighborhoods so we're kind of Bridging the Gap between the two um let's see um not real much else to say but I do want to point out that even though we are below the R7 I know that we have the new coordinates um that you guys will be considering so I do request that if you go forward with the new Zoning for this or you would like the new Zoning for this that we postponed the vote for a month so uh we have time to pull together the supplemental information for your review sure I guess that was going to be my next question and I'm assuming you had been following along process with us and many of that that MVR ordinance I really think a situation like this it is really ripe for an MBR because while exactly like I was mentioning earlier on the north side of the creek it's currently undevelopable because of the terrain but things can change obviously you know as I mentioned before they yeah well they again they they drained part of the Everglades at one point so you you never know I mean it's unlikely but you know I would hate to get into the situation where 15 20 years down the road we had represented that X number of lots were going to be built because it was undevelopable and then that changes but you know that I think that while while this one may be a little uh tough for the topography to ever change the NPR I think is is applicable to to properties that you know have a certain portion where the developer says we don't plan to develop that but they can't guarantee what the the second or third owner made to so I guess would would you be opposed to an MBR that that fits that category I mean in principle obviously I understand that you've asked for it to be tabled and I mean we're here for a public hearing so I think we want to that to go forward but um and we'd certainly in terms of what we table we could take that into consideration but in principle is that something that y'all would be I mean obviously we're not if we propose that you've got to agree to it also I mean is there an issue that any issues that y'all have with that no no not at all especially for this site and I do understand what what the mayor is saying as far as being able to develop some of the what I'm calling undevelopable Bay Area other developers especially with the current IP zoning commercial developments tend to have a little bit more of a buffer in what they can spend versus what they're going to bring in on development so you know there are developers that could possibly wall it up and fill it in as a residential lot developer that is not something that we'd be able to do but I do understand your concerns that if it gets if we decide to eventually not develop that which we don't plan to I do understand your concerns so if that is the council's wish for us to go onto the new zoning I just ask that you give us a little time to to prepare the documents required sure and in terms of time to prepare I mean is that obviously we want to go forward with the public hearing this evening I think staff would request yeah well I don't I don't know that anybody I will get public I mean our council's input I don't know that anybody would be opposed to to going forward with it but if we did hold off it would just be on the vote sure so I feel like we've had these conversations a lot lately um you can have the public hearing it's already been advertised I certainly think you all should go ahead and have the public hearing and then you could cable the vote until October 17th um or you you can go ahead and vote tonight if you want to but obviously y'all are having some pretty healthy dialogue here I think um you can also have another public hearing if you want to on the 17th okay that's cool you can have a public hearing tonight and then you can table the vote until the 17th and you can include that second reading with another public hearing if Council wishes to do that we'll advertise for it to give additional poke input but once you've opened and closed the public hearing you're not required to have another one and that would be what you said October 7th uh what is October the 17th additional information which you need to need that's outlined in the new zoning ordinance just basically a descriptive statement um that covers everything okay thank you Aaron we put off last month no sir this is a different one the like the one that you're referring to was overall Sweetwater and New Market that's the one you're thinking of all right is there anybody else that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 22-018 all right is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to propose to ordinance number 22-018 yes ma'am I have a couple of concerns about this all right I'll tell you what are you are you all together yeah all right my wife and me here gotcha if y'all want to come up and and state your name and address for the record and I know I saw you earlier today at CVS yeah I'm Anna Luna and this is my husband Juan Luna so we live at um East Cambridge 2113 one of the newest homes ever I tell you what even though it may not amplify it's really for the audio live stream so if you could just um Mr Mrs Luna from 2113 Cambridge Avenue East in June this year uh purchased the house here five years ago though on Cambridge Avenue East I'm against this proposal not only because of the number of homes planned for this subdivision also the restrictiveness of the subdivid people living within the subdivision there's too many cul-de-sacs there's no way for them to like come in and out of different areas within the subdivision so it's really confining in in that area and also where it's going to be located across from the True Value doesn't take into consideration that most recently or a few years back some property on Cambridge Avenue East across from the newly planted solar panel field is also up for sale and is also being planned to be developed in the not so far future from what we understand we've been hearing things through the grapevine so that's going to another so many I don't know 20 something acres of land there that's going to be another subdivision and then they just finished our subdivision behind us on Chancellor court and emerald Farms was built within the last five years we purchased our house there was nothing behind it and it was a nice little home with trees and everything wooded area behind us and now we have 48 homes behind us within two years after we purchased our house and when we purchased the home the realtor said oh nobody's ever going to build there it's been empty for 12 years you know okay covet hit and two years later voila we have 50 homes built behind us so um with all that going on our our rural semi-rural lifestyle that we came looking for in Greenwood is is going away and all the additional traffic going to be removing so many trees it's going to be causing more flooding issues for the neighborhoods around us the kids out for the schools right now there we have issues with the school bus on East Cambridge they stop right in front of our house it's just one of these guys you got to walk the street in order to get to the corner to catch the school bus and there's people there don't stop they're doing 50 55 miles an hour per amperage if there's a way to slow these people down it will there's no sidewalks either so I'm very concerned about this case students coming out of emerald Farms going across the street waiting for the school bus and traffic just don't stop I got kids coming out of Chandler behind our house coming in into catch the bus take traffic don't stop now in Christians of these houses you're going to increase the traffic at least another four percent on top of that due to the higher demand our utility bills is going to go up again because they did that when they built the houses behind us our utility bills went up again due to the higher demand it's it's a non-going situation that have been going on hold on so that's my main concern is mainly about the kids be able to be safe to be able to go with classic school bus on the same matter that's my main concern yeah because currently we can't ride a bike you can't walk up Cambridge Avenue East at all I mean without almost getting run over cars don't move out of the way for you a pedestrian walking the side of the road you try to walk as close you know off the grass off the side of the road as far as you can but because of the ditches the way they're you know there's no drainage you have different systems than we do in Connecticut but because of that you know right now it's even gotten there's like 50 percent more traffic and and more yeah in only three years in less than three years so what's going to happen in the next five ten and remind me of your address again I'll explain where they live we glued it up too because I was trying to understand so they would potentially ride on East Cambridge across from Woodland way the develop the cottages and emerald Farm is right behind their house right does that help y'all you know where Emerald Farm Road is you want to look at those houses up front Cambridge right there they live there East Cambridge just State Road yes it is yes yes but we've already talked to D.O.T and they can't help us with traffic I talked to the engineering Dot and I explained to see tuition to them as far as the kids uh walking through uh through the road in order to cast a school bus and the engineer told me it was the the only thing they can do is lower the speed limit to from 45 to 40. and pull uh school buses stop signs so but I do believe there's more that they can do maybe put a stop sign in Emerald Road Emerald Farm maybe put another stop sign Chandler that'll tell the people you need to slow down if you're going to make this a residential area you got it to lower the speed limit in order to be able for the kids to be able to be safe and be able to at least be able to get to the school bus to get something right could I ask please where is the bus stopping I'm curious It's stopping right at Chancellor court and right in front of our house and then he goes up and he stops again in camera well no no well yeah they do they have to cross the street because the bus door is on the opposite side and then they also at Woodland where Woodland is they get on there too um but if you're going to treat this as a residential and it's going to be you know built up into this big residential area more kids more traffic more problems my issue is let's fix what we have now instead of having into it that's what I'm saying I think if it's going to be built up this much then maybe East Cambridge should not be a state road any longer because it's not going to be a state road you're going to have people and you're going to have more children and you're going to have pets and and more traffic so you know we may have I would consider you know seeing the road widened or done some something done to it to to make it more accessible to us to people walking people driving right in their bikes or you know trying to to just walk because right now we can't and I can't even enjoy my home in Greenwood I can't enjoy my my surroundings and my area the area we moved into thank you all right I appreciate it thank you is there anybody else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 22-018 yes Mr Stuckey afternoon mayor Smith of Newcastle I'm Craig Stuckey 505 Lodge Drive on I hope these ladies didn't run off Mr Jones no he's celebrating his anniversary I like Mr Jones yeah this whole family came for his swearing yeah he was definitely a stakeholder in this County and I'd like to see that yeah I really appreciate it also he voted no than all the other folks voted yes or I think on this particular item on number one okay he's not here tonight is that in his area I think we all wanted to to hear the public input on yeah public hearing okay well I don't know how this goes it's going to be put off for a month right not necessary we certainly wanted to have a second public uh hearing if we get that far okay very good um my question is more in general uh in the in the newspaper there Double D the word annexation was uh included in discussing one of these three uh complexes that's been discussed tonight would you explain how annexation has to do with uh there's a new business not with regard to this one any of the three of them there's a there's one in new business but it doesn't have to do with with this okay so I was not in the agenda that I was given it's a new business it is it's a new business item um I believe it's the last item on the agenda tonight and it's the um request for an annexation off of um Laurel Road past halter Winger and it is on the agenda but it doesn't have anything to do with this one or the next one nice somewhere along the line if you would explain how annexation fits into this whole plan I would appreciate it thank you sir Andy well let me ask this is like the end of this plan for for this for uh 22.018 no it does not it does not it does not factor into this right yeah of course yeah thank you but we will discuss it when we get to that item totally appreciate it thank you so much yes sir is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to ordinance number 20 proposed ordinance number 22-018 let the record reflect there or no Mr Mayor we get a chance to maybe address some of those concerns again or is that in favor yeah I mean we've got foreign against and but we'll be happy I mean especially if we've got a potentially a second public hearing process certainly be willing to entertain that at that point thank you quickly these Council has direct questions they want to ask Davis and Boyd sure you know for clarification for those in attendance I think that's fine as you're as you're discussing whatever motion you decide sure I just don't want to get into the situation where then there's going to be another spot well I think it's more of a clarification for example if y'all have questions I do have questions for the school district why they're stopping on easteridge road now too and they're also stopping a laurel because they know it's a state road they know it is highly traffic it has always been I don't understand why they're stopping on it to begin with they should pull into the cul-de-sac or pull into the neighborhoods they're servicing that is ridiculous and they're not stopping they're stopping on Laurel I've heard it down to reach out to them to find out where the stops are and why they're not just going that's a big one it would be a whole lot safer for them to address your point of residential areas but as but are they stopping on East Cambridge or stopping on Chandler yeah we will ask I mean there's nobody here that can connect we will get some clarification well do I um I suppose with regard to that to the vote and any anything further with that I don't know that there's anything for us to discuss this evening if we don't know what any potential proposal for NPR from the developer will be I think there needs to be some sort of motion either either to approve our seven a motion to approve NPR or motion to table or tonight well that's that's what I mean is if there's not going to be a motion in favor or against I suppose the motion to table I like to make a motion that um for the R7 for the high density residential your motion to approve the approval to approve ourselves as written as written all right we have a motion by Ms Bowles I mean I heard the concerns of the neighborhood I did I heard the concerns of the neighborhood but whether we vote uh R7 or NPR the neighborhood the development will still take place and I do I do hear your concerns and we will try and address the concerns that you made with as far as the buses stop in front of your door of your house on East Cambridge well it's not the first time there's the kids we have a motion on the we will address the table second of a motion by Miss balls second by Miss hudu entertain further discussion at this point I think at some point maybe we need to have a discussion with the OT just I mean I know you guys probably have a lot of conversation with them but I think there are some other concerns that I've heard about City areas that um you know could use better pedestrian um just access in general and and this could be another that either way is going to need it at some point so um with either zoning codes or whatever those issues have to be addressed yeah or whatever development might happen anywhere else along base Cambridge too it's just uh it's another there are a few other areas that need some attention so I had a traffic study done on kateway a separate one from what they had it was an individual complaint a resident I think we need to add in a lot of thoughts and then information about pedestrian access more the traffic too because um when you say we need there's some additional things we need to consider I mean is in terms of taking a step back and looking at it from an MBR standpoint no no I'm just talking about concerns across the board with DOT roads in the city that have been problems for a long time that I think we need to address I mean they put a sidewalk on the subject to do bypass where there's no residential construction but there's no sense at all so you think that if we basically said look we have this residential construction going on on a state road yeah it's residential construction is going to continue and it's going to happen what are you going to do to help us a to slow traffic down and may to be more pedestrian friendly B to put sidewalks down here they can put sidewalks down the bypass why can't they put sidewalks down Cambridge I mean just just that's what I was yeah because I'm thinking this is going to turn into something similar at some point whatever that whatever the approval all we can do is what we can do is of this or denial we're still going to have the development and we've got real like Mathis and Cokesbury Street where people are walking right on the side of the road in ditches and it's not safe so that just this is similar too so I think we were I think Laura and I had a discussion this past week about a walkability study so even some of the outlying areas of our city need to be added to that study as well um and um we talked about a grant that I made her aware of for that walkability study yeah but and that that was to address areas like behind the old Walmart um to that apartment complex up to Lakeview but anything that we can do to connect residential areas to schools is what that's one area we talked about at length and the parts of that are not in the city under our purview but yeah anyway any further discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 22-018 from Council okay all right all in favor of ordinance number 22-018 all opposed or that motion carries four to two all right what do we have up there all right under public hearing item number three excuse me can we get a phone number a contact number so we can follow up with you thank you under public hearings item number three is to consider ordinance number 22-019 remitting the zoning ordinance by rezoning an 80 plus or minus acre portion of a 294 acre track of land located at 1501 Marshall Road from R3 medium density residential to R4 medium density residential once again this is one that we've taught the council about a good deal um they're requesting you go from R3 to R4 this is in Ward 2. um they're proposing 237 loss all right is there anyone that wishes to speak in favor of ordinance number 22-019 hello again um I'll save you all my corporate field and this one since we're pretty familiar with each other um Marshall Road is another development that we're looking to go for an R4 zoning we're proposing 237 Lots with an average minimum lot size of 7 800 feet and lot Dimension is a minimum of 60 feet wide approximately 130 feet deep a couple things that I didn't bring up during Cambridge that came up during the remainder of the statements I'd like to to speak to now along with having a traffic study done for this site which is still in review by scdot and we intend to meet all the requirements that fcdot does set forth by reviewing this we again have a lot of open space there's a good number of natural features along the center of it um the storm drainage issue which I know a lot of residents are concerned about both of these projects have on-site features which will currently all the site drains to and will maintain that so Marshall is a good example that it drains to a stream that's on our site that travels North to a larger stream so there will be no impact to any existing development from our storm water on this site another point about this subdivision is the Eastern the northeastern side where we do have some Frontage along Marshall dot would not allow access at those points so all of the traffic will be coming out of the front of the neighborhood where we have two proposed access points because of the size of the development and the isolation of some of the units in the back we will be installing an emergency access along in one of those fingers the for the farther north finger which will allow emergency vehicles to access the rear of the site quickly in the event that anything at the front of the site is blocked okay I'm sorry to interrupt you tell me say that again about where the access points are going to be sure so the two access points for the residents will be on Marshall Road on the southern western side where we have a majority of the front edge and you can see on the site plan there where those two access points will be and just to be clear dot has not approved that yet got are you getting up here in a minute okay uh the northern side the Eastern side where you see the cul-de-sac and no connection to Marshall Road those were denied by scdot as points of access so they are allowing us to have emergency access come out the end of the cul-de-sac so there will be Gates installed that the emergency department can access so in the event that there's an issue towards the front of the neighborhood and they need to get to the residents in the back that they'll have full access to the site you said access on the North and East was denied yeah um and there's another finger of the property you can see right there in half that's hatch dot would not allow us to access Marshall Road in those two points for public but for emergency access they'll allow it okay um again we are providing so we have over 25 open space on this site um the cluster provision in the ordinance allows us to provide open space for slight reduction in the density or lot size so we're using that as you can see there's a stream that comes up with stream buffers that will need to be preserved via the state regulations we also have an amenity Center planned for this neighborhood so the residents will have access to probably trails along the creek and then a community building and most likely a pool or that that area what's the the open space the 25 percent what what's the topography there so where the creek is we have some pretty steep slopes but then we'll be installing the storm water features you can see there the kind of the white areas in the large hatch but then at the rear of the yard so that'll also maintain a really good tree coverage in that area as well the hatched area towards the front can you show me where the amenities when you say front yeah I know right right here yep yep so that's our proposed amenity area and then any other hatched areas will be grasped and maintained by the homeowners association so there's I don't know if it's captured here on here it looks like there's three detention or retention bonds uh right now we're showing two yeah the one I have shows another one right here they submitted an updated site plan so the first site plan they submitted had more Lots on it and then they write and then they submit this amended one and so maybe I just grabbed the wrong one when I put in your packet but this one is the current one that's reflectable to 237 I believe the first proposal had 280 meters 280 houses this one's amended and has 236 yeah so our engineer of record Davidson Floyd we've had them do a grading study and util preliminary utility study on this site so we've reduced the number of lots because of the topography natural features and still water but I guess with the detention and it looks like there's two detention bonds is the third one the third one's not necessary because the number of homes went down from the original yeah and Davis employee can do that a little more but we can drain the development to those two based on their grading study that they've done but you're including the detention Bonds in the open space calculation that is correct yes so that that won't be forced that that will be grasped but the area along the stream will remain undisturbed as per all the state regulations for stream buffers and water quality I think is that within the like dotted line that's kind of on the yeah it's the little wiggly line that comes down through yeah that's an existing we've already had our Wetlands consultant out there and they've determined that to be jurisdictional meaning it's Waters of the state or of the U.S try to to get as many consultants out there and running before we develop our site plan so we know and can present to y'all what what is most likely going to be there what we can build out there so it's the only the only housing actually visible from Marshall Road is that first strip yes and thank you for bringing that up miss you too because when we met with Mr Jones that was a a good point that he liked about this neighborhood was that the frontage on Marshall Road is really going to be the only thing visible to any of the existing neighbors the houses that front Cambridge just south of our main development are close to the road so there's a good bit of yard and property between us and then to the north of us as you can see in the over in the um satellite image is completely undeveloped except for the solar farm up North so there's no neighbors or anything on that side that will be disturbing so am I right to assume that we're basically looking at backyards on Marshall not front yards on Marshall those will be backyard tests there'll be backyards and access points so basically that's all backyards is it is it going to be fenced at those roads face um the roads so what we typically do along the road Frontage is is whatever's required by code of course and then screening for those houses whether it be Street trees along Marshall or something a berm or something like that that we'll consider as we develop to make those houses not really be looking out their back door at Marshall Road so basically you're looking so there really are no houses fronting Marshall Road no ma'am okay where where'd you say that burns or the bushes would be just the houses that are right there yeah like along Marshall Road where we have the houses so that'll be the backyards of the residents there so typically what we'll do for our residents is install some type of screening or or the like so that way they're not looking out their kitchen windows on the Marshall Road um I don't know what we have planned for this neighborhood yet but I think with the price point that we're shooting for for this neighborhood that the residents will have some kind of screening it's down that way forever thank you yeah another half a mile past my house which is right any uh any further questions from four for four four star thank you appreciable I can speak to any technical questions or anything that you should so I guess in in that regard is there anyone else that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 22-019 okay good evening good Valentine with Davidson Floyd um a couple points um one I'd like to point out that this development going to R4 aligns with the future land use which I know is really important to planning um but more importantly as it's currently zoned right now um more houses can be put on this development without anything being done that we're proposing um so we hear the concerns but we feel that we are providing a better development that then we'll be there as currently zoned another Point accesses um just to be super clear there will only be two accesses along Marshall Road the driveways for all of those lots will be accessed off of internal streets so there will only be two access points along the Marshall Road along the same lines the emergency access I guess what we were calling to the Northeast further down the road they were not denied by D.O.T for any reasons as far as safety or couldn't handle the traffic it was simply that the angle that those pieces of property are coming into the road does not meet DOD requirements they want you to come in more at a 90 degree short term so just to alleviate any concerns there the road has enough capacity it was just the shape of their property um let's see I think that was all the main points I had um I think Mr Bass maybe if you had some you answered you just answered it all right two two things at R3 zoning how many houses could be built presently without even coming to planning and zoning 240. 240. okay where are you getting that number it's three units okay so the original proposal for 280 something still would have fit under R4 that's correct okay that's assuming that you could build houses on that wetland right well a quick take off on the map or potentially no amenities I'm assuming there was no houses on the wetlands we were just utilizing features such as retaining walls and other things um so just to reduce development costs we pulled the grates back to reduce the number of lots to have a lot more natural grading rather than building right up against it just to try to preserve more natural features foreign you can put 240 how many can you put on R4 320 320 yes right that's not there's no roads no open space that doesn't take into account any land that wouldn't be able to be developed like a stream or Wetlands that's just Square math on 80 acres four units an acre 80 acres three and it's an acre thank you yes and obviously those would be undoubtedly different lot size home size in order to fit that 320 Max thank you any further questions for Mr Valentine from Davis and Floyd I do have one question just clarification for my memory what what are the lot size for this they are the minimum lot size of the button 7 800 square feet there was the maximum you know there's one very large lot I believe there are I think they go upward of ten thousand two hundred maybe twelve thousand on some of those big Corner Lots yeah at the end of the coldest the end of the cul-de-sac plus well actually yeah the turns yeah so they're basically they're basically quarter acre lots are they not are four quarter acre lots yeah quarter Acres so I see a lot right here over 27 000 square feet which is half acre age that's a big lot by today's date by today's standards that's an old one yes yes it would be it would be this isn't it too late any other questions for Mr Valentine yeah thank you thank you did anyone else that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 22-019 Mr Adams good evening welcome to Adams 117 West Cambridge be real brief but I represent my family see BMW I wanted this property and I do think it's definitely the highest and best use for it to be houses right now we're going to pine trees last year we paid 840 in taxes on this property so yeah we're allowed to develop I think it would help our tax base tremendously thank you all for your service thank you Mr Adams right because it's AG agricultural all right is there anyone else that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 22-019 let the record reflect their anoint is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 22-019 and address Michael Thomas 920 Marshall Road so I live directly across where they plan on putting the access points which one that's base right there is right in front of the house right there emergency actions yeah that's what 240 families are going to come in and out of the in front of my driveway that that's a lot of people that's a lot of traffic for two access points uh and with you know it looks like it's going to be a nice development but the access points right there from my driveway what I'm concerned about uh I want to be able to get in and out of my driveway I don't know what I'll say I just that's my big concern is you know my property is gonna now have to fight to get out of my driveway I have a 90 year old grandson that lives we have gutsy of right now I don't have to worry about his bike in the front yard I leave there overnight and come back in the morning it's there Marshall Road is not a very highly dense it's not populated as is all of our lives are probably mine's probably the smallest of the half an acre and everybody else around me is probably an acre at least this is probably 100 times more population than we already have on Marshall Road right now 100 times that's a lot of people a lot of people means a lot of people you know and if they're already able to do it under an R3 why would we need to make it an R4 to where it would be able to make it 200 to 300 instead of just 240 up to three whatever you know it's it's going to be bad enough at R3 if we go to R4 they're not they're not obligated to not build more houses because it's now zoned for that thank you thank you appreciate it too bad you can't move the insurance to where I mean it's gonna be in front of somebody's house I mean or is there anybody else that wishes to speak out in opposition to proposed ordinance number 22-019 I will 1805 Marshall Road and I'm speaking on behalf of a lot of the community Mr Michael here and a lot of the landowners the big chunks right there one of the property owners right there just they're their husband just passed away so they just don't know what they're going to do with that land and then the other one that was just purchased probably has no idea this is even coming to our neighborhood um I understand the pain of all these um ones behind me the thing is like Mr Michael answered it is like if we already are good to doing this under R3 let's keep it the same give us some buying time you know over the next few years I was probably the youngest guy to buy this land oh I purchased my home about 14 15 years ago and everybody do it on New Year's Eve I made sure they knew that I was the youngest guy on the street had some good times over there the biggest thing is um a lot you know right now you're all everyone's all big about bringing all these communities into our neighborhood the thing is the one General farmer it's only been about one year since that one year that that sex has been behind us we've had um gunshots of fire through my neighborhood there's been Auto break-ins there's been um a lot of crime a lot of drug activity and if you look at 1805 Marshall Road I am right there before you go into the van before you go to what used to be the Five Points I'm actually personally called the law four times for people missing that turn running straight to that that um that neighborhood without that yard right in front of me before you get to that gas station they're all drug and alcohol related and they're speeding so I know spitting is a concern litters of concerned crimes are concerned one agree with Most Wanted felons is on four of our cameras right now so the thing is we already know your guys are coming so what are you going to do for us I called the council many years ago about 12 years ago to get that sidewalk right there where Mr Michael lives to get those trees cut so the elderly can walk out of Marshall or Wesley Commons too well yeah we keep it cut the city doesn't do anything about it the sidewalks there are also broken and also on Marshall Road we do not have proper lighting our City Light our lights are out so I propose you know what are you going to do for us what are you gonna do for us we need some sidewalks we need some crosswalks how about the security poles that Walmart has with the little blue lights so we can push the button and call 9-1-1 to hit something were to happen the biggest thing is what are you going to do how are you going to protect us without changing our culture because when I bought this home as a 22 year old I bought it looking towards retirement I now have two kids I live on the far end of Marshall Road and I'm working with the principal Mr Barry Jackson Matthews Elementary to let the kids walk and Bike to School I'm working on bike racks I was actually going to try to fund that myself I'm doing this right here is going to absolutely prevent every kid in the neighborhood from walking or biking to school unless you do something as far as crosswalks giving us some sidewalks and giving this kids some buttons to push in case something were to happen uh let's see yeah I mean I think you know if you can do it under R3 why bump this to R4 we had to come back and do this you know years from now I think last week you already voted that once you vote tonight that that's locked in right um I you know sorry I'm traveling a lot so all this is on papers I just came in from the Gulf last night about I got in about 2 A.M so I'm kind of everywhere right now um so I actually work in the city I've been through every single one of your Awards I know what they look like I know what the activity looks like I know a lot of the problems that are in the in the community so when you build this and you leave what are you going to do to maintain the culture and you know make sure that the security the cleanliness and the safety stays there I understand that the cost of these homes are going to be in the higher bracket so it's going I would assume it's going to be bigger than you know and that taxes are going to go up taxes are going to go up our property actually values we've got one person speaking at a time I get it but um my biggest thing is sidewalks crosswalks Street lighting speed and litter enforcement um that road used to be adopted by the Sheriff's Office it's no longer adopted by anybody we had to go down the street to cut the trees and pick up the trash since the last Edition emerald Farm Road right behind your house it's been crazy over the last year I know I feel your pain on that um but that's the biggest thing how can you do this without changing our culture on Marshall Road and again I've been bumped into Mr Jones a few times we've missed each other in and out is he watching this live somewhere I don't know if he is or not I know it was important to him yeah it was and I I hated it I wasn't in town to get to speak to him because he wanted to come and speak for all of us at one time I just want us to get our little community group together to to speak on this but um I looked at it like this um Council I mean we're in our three they already said they can do this in the R3 let's try to keep it at R3 um that way we can kind of you know it gives us some buying time and then we don't have to worry about coming back here 5 10 15 years from now having to deal with what these other communities are dealing with now with um overgrowth and crime and everything else is going on in the City of Greenwood South Carolina thank you is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed audience number 22-019 reflector 9 or not all right do I hear any motions with regard to proposed ordinance number 22-019 um I'd like to make a motion to table any consideration to October um for a few reasons possibility of new MPR zoning I would like to vote with Mr Jones here I don't want him not to be here for this and then also to add another um public hearing second we have a motion by Mr Miller second by Mr Bass any further discussion regarding the motion to table ordinance number 22-019 Mr Miller because I'll just get some clarification that you want a table till October 17th yes I think some of your concerns Mr McCord too I know I sent you all an email and I just want to personally appreciate Mr Mayor and Mr Bass for getting back with me and the conversation that we had prior that means a lot to us in the community well it's you know it something we take very seriously we appreciate the interest in development but it's it's certainly something we take seriously the impact on on our presidents um yeah I know I know Mr Jones wanted it I think was planning to be here virtually he had some some travel issues come up he was originally scheduled an anniversary trip prior to miss partless passing and this was a long time scheduled um trip and so but he I can promise you this he made every single effort he could including trying to get around flight delays to make make it to the next meeting so yeah and for what it's worth you know I think you mentioned the potential nprs I mean I guess we've got the NPR zoning it's official now yeah right that's correct so I think potential wise and potential for somebody to make a motion because you know we just passed that really we kind of we we had a first hearing last week we had a second hearing tonight really I felt like kind of forth for this very instance as I mentioned NVR would allow us to keep that at 237 Which is less than I mean not not by much but less than what they could build with R3 I certainly understand so it would be for what it's worth in in regards to that discussion I agree I think this would be more appropriate for NPR but I I want to I want to keep my topics topical to your to your motion as well another question to you that I might have asked them for already but can is is clustering possible at any level or is it that they are able to Cluster at are for but not R3 is possible anymore they could still cluster develop yeah as long as you propose as long as you set aside at least 25 of your site is open space and with the MBR you could cluster like you wanted like I wanted to this is the more natural way to do it it doesn't use the clustering word you know just lock in this site plan right but I I just wanted to know that if they were going to stick an R3 and develop they could still they could still ask for a cluster as long as they said and they would be able to get this this many Lots but we can propose possibly lock it in at NPR that's right and then and I can't change anything so I think that I think that we actually need to we need to review a lot of things right but I think one thing that we really need to review is our clustering ordinance where we where we are um because I really Daryl would love to explore make sure that this is usable space for clustering I think the original intent was to create Innovative type of home sites and developments and I think I think it can be exploited through different means to be able to utilize a larger piece of property cluster to create more density and not taking consideration of usable space and unusual space I believe also just to point out I believe that they're the only developer that I've ever utilized the clustering provision that I'm aware of yeah that's correct four stories and and you may have mentioned it already but this stretch of Marshall roads at a city maintained Road no no the sidewalks too they're all it's all state I've had a list of things we should talk to them yeah we have it all I have it all we all were taking it any further discussion regarding Mr Miller's motion all right all in favor of tabling this vote until October 17th with another public hearing was that part of your with the public hearing that motion carries unanimously with six votes you guys are welcome to say if you don't want to you don't have to I'll just give you the option y'all are more welcome to stay encouraged to if you want to I think I think we may want to meet in the bigger courtroom at some point I'm glad you see so many people here [Music] foreign right there yep tonight under we have one public appearance about Mr um Terrance store so you can come on upstairs getting my door see if you could state your name and address for the rest good evening Terence Dorsey 109 kimbrook Drive um thank you mayor council staff Alice is here I'm here today to make the city council aware of the city police department's failure to follow protocol I have spoken with the chief I've had complaints from July 9th of 2022 my son was killed by an alleged drunk driver right at the corner of kidson and Cambridge the gentleman went to the barbecue festival drinking he refused all field sobriety tests he refused a breathalyzer the next Call of action should have been immediately to have a search one draw blood your City Police Department five to seven officers all of them failed that followed that protocol my son's daily and the only excuse I get is they didn't do it they did not do their job okay because of their failure the eighth circuit solicitor now has been hindered Chief should Owen tells me that these officers were reprimanded to me that's not enough and I'm here today to bring awareness and expose the failures of our city police department I have questions how many DUIs have the city police department investigated this year how many felony did you ask do they have enough training it seems pretty obvious now that we've gotten involved with this we know that if you refuse to field sobriety test you have an attorney show up on the job site it's pretty obvious that they're not going to be compliant so why not draw the blood and then I asked myself did the fact that this person who had been leaving the Barbecue Festival did that put any pressure on the city police department did they have any feelings to not bring in any negativity to a city sanctioned event I also wonder if the city was influenced or the city police department is there anything that they were coerced or influenced by any means by an attorney showing up on the job site on a crash site at 10 o'clock at night and then all of a sudden protocol procedures are not followed I'd like everybody to know that we will all be playing Russian roulette because this is now the third DUI from this individual my son is dead or defendant may walk away again I ask you who's next is it one of your loved ones I'd also like to bring to your attention that through this tragedy we have been able to memorialize memorialize my son Austin gray Hamlet which set up a foundation through Piedmont Technical College for future welders I asked I have this card that I will leave with the mayor I ask if you know of anybody that would love to contribute he'd like to continue on his legacy he was 22 years old he started his career had just moved to Columbia was working for a Construction Group there and had his life in front of him he comes home for the weekend for the barbecue festival and unfortunately we've lost our song I asked the city council to consider this and think about these things when our Police Department is making gross failures what what can be done and what do we do and I'll leave it with that thank you thank you Mr Dorsey to you and your your wife I know words are really insignificant we are certainly but having said that we're certainly sorry for your loss I read about the I read the article in the paper about uh the scholarship and and your son's name and certainly encourage people to to donate and it's something we we all look forward to learning more about this thank you thank you thank you thank you on your new business this evening item number one is to consider ordinance number 22-021 amending ordinance 17014 this was where we adopted several International codes including the building code the fire code the property maintenance code this particular ordinance pertains to amending the international property maintenance code and I will let um Mr Carlo cover this one I know there will be a lot of questions I have included um the slides that Austin prepared that were presented to you at the last meeting and um as Draper is going through the changes I want to kind of Click through these okay all right so there there's a lot going on in in this section I think as a starting point it's important important to remember that the international property maintenance code which was previously adopted is a Baseline uh that it's the minimum standards that are proposed and that each each of these changes that we're proposing to fill in gaps and and making some more restrictive there's some changes that are more restrictive are appropriate so um one of the biggest changes other than clarifying um let me start over there this is one of the biggest changes though that we're clarifying the powers of the building official who's the code official under the ordinance he'll be that's he'll be in charge of the building department will be in charge of overseeing this process hi Draper yes sir Mr Mayor can we can we just take a break for about five minutes I can't think about anything else right now is that fine can we just take five minutes absolutely decompress from that so yeah we can take five that would be great yeah sure all right so there if you remember from Austin's presentation there are two largely categories of blighted structures the first is unsafe structure it's pretty much generally means that it's not habitable that might be sturdy James jump in if that's not a fair definition so under the existing ordinance um you just have a reasonable time to correct that's all the that's all jurisdiction has to provide is a reasonable time to for the individual to correct the um infraction we're proposing 60 days under the notice of violation so you have 60 days to fix it or come in and talk with us about how to fix it and move forward you also could board the property for 30 days the code official would have the authority to say you need to board this while you're working through things you can also they can also apply for a building permit which would give them a maximum of a year 365 days um and then at that point if either all those deadlines come and go or um or if they agree or so forth then we can knock the property over and we can get rid of the house imminent danger is a little bit different these are structures that they're gonna they can collapse at any moment and subset discretion code official that's a 15-day notice letter again boarding 30 days applies building permit that can take up to a year to correct it but if they take no action after 15 days so the fish can go ahead and and take Ash to knock over the house I would point out here that we were really Our Own Worst Enemy in the way we were doing five day no we were sending out a 90-day letter and then we were sending now a 30-day letter so not only are we sending two letters we're also giving people tremendous amount of time to do something that they should have already done without our nudging um and so this just says look we're only going to tell you one time we're in violation and here's what you need to do and you got 60 days to do it um and we're going to serve it on you personally if we can and if we can affect personal service we're going to run it in the paper two times and not your notice and then we're moving on the problem is those green cards that you know we used to use in the 90s yeah nobody signed for those anymore because they know it's not good and so we're wasting a lot of time money and effort in these things and most of them are coming back undelivered so again just trying to be more logical I think is a good way to put it just looking at it more logically right and there's a lot of these these dates and so forth and they're important to know but really to Julie's point is about streamlining yes and making it simpler and shorter shorter time frame and get rid of these that's right absolutely so we're adding a completely new section section 113 there are some other things in there that you can read in your packets the thing I want to focus on is the voluntary remedy agreement this does not include this option is not included in um property maintenance code as it stands but it allows the option for the city to enter into an agreement with the property owner to to Abate the issue they can either you can need a stipulated time frame to fix it or obtain a permit to rehab the property or demolish it or if it's a property that the city is interested in adding to the land bank and they're willing that they can donate the property and we can take possession of it and demolish the existing structure so it adds flexibility it adds an alternate method of attack that hopefully gets buy-in from the property owner more than just here's the summons and you're going to be in deep trouble and have Hefty fines if you don't do this that voluntary remedy provision you said was not in the ipmc it's not it's not currently in there green Greenville excuse me had something similar we took that language yeah I was I was just curious you don't have something like that in North Charleston as well Anderson that's those are the most important changes there are a few others encourage you to look through your pack if you haven't already so what we provide to you in your packet is this ordinance that has the green line right so this is basically where what I asked the staff to put together for y'all is this is this is the whole entire International property maintenance code because I'm sure you guys don't know what's in it right you don't enforce it every day so this is the entire International property maintenance code and then anything in green are the things we're is our overlay if for lack of a better term assuming that Council approves this we would provide them this to you without the the green line and you could have access to it anytime to say well this is what we do and this is how we operate um so we're asking you tonight to take first reading we'll have a second reading probably on the 17th like I said at the last meeting we do have we will have to have a special call meeting on the third but I'll probably just save the second rating for the 17th to allow you guys plenty into on to absorb the changes because it is kind of a lengthy document they're extensive um and then that's what I'll just discussed as soon as you guys adopt this new we're going to start we have our list ready and we're going to start sending letters um to these Property Owners or deliver and delivering them and getting these things in the in the newspaper so that we can put out an RFP to tear some houses down and I know to miss hudco's point she's asked me a lot about houses that can be salvaged and we will work with those Property Owners if we feel that especially if the building official feels that the house can be saved but I think what we're trying to avoid is the manipulation of the system to say oh yeah I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna fix that up but but really just trying to buy Tom the the goal is compliance and and the real goal is remediation I mean I think we've just gotten to a point where we have a significant problem that we need to address I believe we can do it we're working with our consultant right now I asked them to make this a priority to try to find us a grant where we can leverage funds to tear down properties um so that will be a top priority for them and for us my goal in Austin and I were talking about this today to put a map together that instead of the dots like you saw what we'll probably do is have the awards underneath and then we will have the parcels I think highlighted in maybe black or red so that you can see if there are clusters of parcels that would offer us an opportunity to really make an impact with them in Bill housing or something like that I think that would be more visually appealing so we're working with GIS on that I think that's the opportunity for the city to say yes we want to take ownership of some of these and start to control what's happening on some of these Parcels out of these properties are demolished we are going to have to maintain them until they're sold or redeveloped that's just a consequence of what we're trying to accomplish but as I mentioned in the last meeting this is something that we could we could subcontract out to a lawn care business to do that's only if we take ownership that is correct but keep in mind if you tear a house down somebody wasn't willing they're probably not going to cut the grass sure so we have to be prepared to cut it no matter what um and then we will work with the county on a process for the collection of liens through through the annual tax notice it's just something that has to be placed on the tax bill so if I own a house and the city tears it down and I follow five thousand City follow the five thousand dollar lien on that property the law the state law allows that we can collect that with your annual property taxes and that also would prevent them from saying well I'm not going to do anything with it and then they go to the tax sale and then they just buy it back for whatever it goes for the tax sale right that I don't think you can buy your own property back in the taxi any leads reattach so I think it's cool you can't wash your all the leaves okay it enhances mainly here want you to see that we do have a plan um and this was really important to me and it was actually one of the things that Ryan's been working on a long time when Draper came on board I mean we said like really attack it we've had Austin Martin on this since May and we are excited about next steps so we are respectfully asking that you would consider approval of this ordinance tonight and it's way back here and I'm gonna pull it up I've got it thank you um do I hear a motion with regard to proposed ordinance number 22-021 motion to approved take motion by Mr Miller second by Mr Bass any further discussion regarding or proposed ordinance number 22-021 I guess I'll I'll add like I said uh I think well for those that uh that may be watching online uh I would like to I would like to give a thank you to Austin for your your work last week and and highlighting this and some of our and some of our options for remediation of this of course property rights are something I think we all take very seriously I mean we wouldn't get to this point unless the property was really bad and a nuisance and attracting crime and the dangerous condition uh potentially health hazards so you know I think this is something that's been a priority of counsel and I think this is where you're seeing an additional administrative position come in handy to be able to achieve some of our objectives so um so thank you all for your work on this and I look forward to to I you know I think we all wish we could snap our fingers and resolve some of these problems it's still going to take some time but we're considerably potentially assuming this past is cutting that time down so that we can actually make some progress yeah and I'd also I know what he said but Austin uh he's he's been asked to speak to three different groups at Lander about his experience with the city and the project that he worked on and um like I mentioned last week you know when we brought him on as an intern it's hard sometimes to bring an intern in because they take up a lot of your time and you want the internship to be fruitful for them and for you want to be mutually beneficial and so I think when we said hey let's let's do a project-based internship and then when he came in and said you know I'm really interested in policy and I said are you sure but I did say to him that I felt confident that he what he would learn is that when you develop policy at the municipal level you can really see the impact in like the fruits of your labor and so um I think he's now going to be able to take that forward and apply it as he decides whatever it is he wants to do with his life he'll be very successful so he's been very beneficial to the staff and I think we've helped him over well good I didn't know you were a speaker I got some other uh groups that would probably like to hear from you I think that's more than maybe I'm sure opportunity to go into your Wards and speak to your constituents because I know this is a complaint that comes up repeatedly in every word not just one or two in particular so Ms Lewis was still with us she'd probably get up and hugs I have a question too because I know our focus at first is going to be structures that are the worst probably the imminent yeah yeah and so but you know short-term long-term I mean I know just walking around some areas of my ward a couple years ago now there's a lot of structures where they are rented apartments or duplexes that are in areas that for the owners I don't think that need they need think they need to keep up with it because they don't really respect the people that um rent from them and so they're you know just one thing that stood out to me was like holes and front doors that weren't being fixed and you know I just would like to see this be a little more of us going and being proactive with being able to help people in the community that may not think that anybody cares to help them I don't know I think what we're going to do Mr Miller is um one sweet because I know Miss Hutto already asked me for a copy of the list I think Miss Bowles did too we want to make sure that we're clear on what council wants us to do narrow down the list make sure you can see it by Ward so you know what's in your water Once a Night you can drive around and look at these properties you can say hey I got 10 more not even on the list we'll provide the list to you we just don't want to give you an incomplete list and so once we have we'll provide it to you and you can see if the things that are of concern to your constituents are on there if anything's missing um and again we'll provide you with a map have um I think we've discussed it before in the past it was popular to some some people were totally against him but um have we still taken consideration of of uh landlord um registration or posts after somebody moves out inspections making sure they're up to code every is that just later on down is that just way too much let's answer your question that I forgot failed to answer a minute ago about adding staff it's not something that I've considered yet because I do believe that we can handle this piece of it with the staff we have however we have internally discussed the rental registry revamping that that rental registry process and having a vacant building ordinance and I think when you implement a vacant building um I mean a rental registers they're going to have to have a dedicated staff person or two that can go up every year and inspect those properties and make sure they're up the car before they get re-rented and so it's something that will have to occur it takes resources to deal with yeah and that and that's uh we've already discussed internally like once we get this ordinance approved and we can start moving this process along then the next thing behind it will be those two items well speaking of any further discussion regarding ordinance number 22-021 of ordinance number 22-021 that motion carries unanimously to six votes item number two count of Staff with asset Council table this item until October the 3rd we had a special College meeting we'd like to place this on the agenda as three different resolutions because we know we have some extensions that are required and we need to make sure we have a quorum to vote on the allocation requirements so we would just ask that you table it I mean I don't know that we have a choice really no Julie prior to them when we get those applications at our next and our next thing and we'll as part of those applications as Kelly or anybody established what the economic impact or the tourism impact is on all of those applications that's not so people provide that it's not specifically asked for in dollars like I think we asked for what what is your estimated attendance we ask for a historical data but it's not explicitly stated what is the economic impact of your event going well not necessarily I'm just you know this is the tourism related activities right right that's what this is for right so we need to make sure for tourism and and those related activities so just want to make sure it's tied to it if we don't have the applications we can't really approve it but that may be part of the betting process I will so prior to you coming on Council I believe the commit the presentations used to be made to council and the committee simultaneously in this room and then during covid we had a split it was some issue and we had there in 2020 I don't remember if you were on Council all I know is what they've been we were over there and the committee was here it was before and they put it it was before so it was 2019 maybe anyway Council seemed to like that structure a little better let them make the presentations to the atax committee and then let the atax committee make that recommendation because that's what they're supposed to do that's why we haven't provided you with copies of the applications but if you want them we will provide them and if you want the presentations to be made to the full body we can go back to that I don't want yeah I don't think the presentations are necessary but I think it would be good to have the information sure for me yeah and I mean I think yeah I I can't you see the information but they didn't have to present I would imagine some type of economic economic impact just been done with regard to most of these organizations you know in terms of what that economic impact is specifically requested I don't know but it's it's certainly worth revisiting but you know that information that economic impact so that it's it's remains relevant oh yes ma'am yes uh Council I can't address this a little bit because through the years I have been um Consulting with some of these applicants and steering them in the direction of calculating an economic impact for whatever event or need that they have and I've gone so far as to give them really specific instructions on how to calculate direct spending and then how to calculate economic impact so they are getting on that page solely but surely and I can tell you personally I met with five of the applicants this year just to help them calculate everything and and we're trying to help them understand the significance of knowing that and also what type of Hotel traffic is your event or your exhibit or what I use what is that going to generate because after all this is hotel tax money so um I'm trying to work with all of the applicants and help them understand the importance of what it means to generate a Contracting some are easier than others but we're getting there so I wanted to reassure you that that is being addressed I have seen tax applications in other areas that actually ask for that information on the application to go through that to help us figure out what might be more beneficial to the expenditure if we um if we move forward or have already moved forward the Placer stuff but would that be an opportunity for us maybe at some points to say hey can we check it out for like a weekend when there's a theater event we can share that art center has that way they even if they're not doing it and you guys are doing it or we can see some of that real time like yeah this is what's happening um Laura and I will be users for that software and I plan to share that opportunity to use Placer with the county-wide events as well as the Citywide we were on the call about uh was that when I was on the call with you about um but Placer is going to be a really good tool and I don't think it's hard to execute we can learn I will learn how to do it fairly easily so that you're right that's going to be a huge asset moving forward with all applications toward the economic impact just I thought it did the one we were on the go about what did we ever do with that of the sports store in the next that is um something separate that is an inventory calculator that will help us identify and be identified as potential sporting sites did we go forward with that though okay I thought we were coming up okay I thought we had one coming up tomorrow Wednesday it's a good it's a good tool as well any other questions for Kelly thank you thank you well I guess like I said I don't know that we have an option but do I hear a motion to table resolution number 22-012 so moved second of a motion about Miss Hutto second by Mr Bass any further discussion regarding tabling of the resolution all in favor of tabling resolution number 22-012 motion carries unanimously with five votes in our new business item number three is considered resolution number 22-013 collecting the practice Implement civility in the City of Greenwood and I'm going to let you cover this one well this is that civility is really the theme of the municipal Association I don't know if it's just a 2022 theme or if it's a a permanent theme going forward it's it's something that as a board member of the municipal Association has been discussed at length it's not something that would be have been brought up if it wasn't necessary we live in a society with social media and other other outlets where there's while while certainly input that's important it's not always productive so at the at the annual meeting in um in this this past summer civility was a topic of the of the municipal Association in several of the presentations that that they put on and again this is a this is a pledge that we we can't force anyone else on Council not to practice civility but it's certainly something for us as a council and staff to always be mindful of when in dealing with with the public and public input public meetings always weighing the importance of the public in making a public appearance giving public input um but also being respectful to everybody that's not respectful just because we're elected officials that's respect just as a to a human being um and so when we ask for respect from them we are we're expected to return that respect as well so again I think it's I've I've proposed it because I think it's it's something that is a is a positive proposal in this in in our climate 2022 I think we live in a probably a more rapidly changing environment than any point in history but uh I know a lot some some were present or have been made aware of this uh this promotion of Civility and respect in terms of coming up with these with with Solutions uh I don't know if there's anything else anybody else on Council would like to add or staff well it makes I mean we're in a contentious time and the whole idea was that you need to listen intently and respectfully and listen to other people's opinions and not um be disrespectful to to other people in the community and now it's gotten when I listen to the presentation that was made it was you know it's counterproductive to be combative the whole idea of compromise and listening is being civil to each other and nothing's accomplished by being rude Julie always reminds me you catch more more flies with honey than vinegar that's right that's what you're saying um but you know this this civility pledge but it extends certainly Beyond just twice a month in you know for a couple hours in here it extends to the roles we play in the community on a daily basis and um and again that that goes both ways for everybody so and hopefully we've all had an opportunity to to read and review this language and if so I'll entertain a emotion motion to approve resolution number 22-013 pledging to practice and promote civility in the City of Greenwood second we have a motion by Mr Miller's second by Ms Hutto any further discussion regarding resolution number 22-013 all right all in favor of resolution number 22-013 that motion carries you down to sleep with five votes and I would I would gather that it would have been unanimous for seven votes if we had everybody here and I want to just clarify she's not always telling me that because I'm using vinegar okay she's just reminding me of that I remind myself um all right patiently waiting on new business number four is to consider acceptance of an annexation petition for approximately 12.1 Acres of property located at 1310 Laurel Road East the property is here highlighted in red the developers here or the applicants are here this evening they are requesting annexation into the city you'll see this is adjacent and if Annex would be a part of Ward before I explained kind of about the work session that I think the better path forward for reviewing annexations would be to ask you all as a body to accept the petition that way as we continue to work the developer we know that the council has a desire and appetite to continue to pursue whatever it is that might be proposed here I can tell you that tentatively they've proposed 65 town homes they have to get this property rezoned from County R2 to City r-15 I believe that is on the September 27th Planning Commission agenda so assuming that council did accept the vote to accept this annexation petition tonight we would have for first reading of the annexation and the rezoning on October the 17th and then second reading on I think it's November 21st does that make sense kind of that different sort of approach to annexations sure well I know it's not a public hearing of course but I think we probably have some questions for the developer we'd like to come up tell us anything else we need to know good evening wake up and I met with you and your father um probably a month or so ago appreciate your your interest in developing in Greenwood sure well we we have uh four blighted buildings on the property as well that we could bring into the city yeah we go ahead and clean those up yeah Segway wake yeah if you volunteer we won't even send you a letter yeah I mean you don't have to worry about it we'd love to get those down because we've been having some trust pastors even lately so this uh annexation would kind of help get some focus on this project for us if it's the use kind of fits the neighboring project that Carly Hill so are there going to be two-story one level um because you're going to actually develop and build or no no I mean I don't I mean I don't have any plans to do that right now uh our goal would be to get a project that works with the city's intentions and zoning ordinance and um decide at that time if we're going to build it ourselves or if we're going to hire to be built and keep and own it as uh sell it off at retail own it as an investment I mean anything's on the table at this point okay I guess that's I'll just brush you a little bit on anything's on the table is is a a zoning request less than our 15 something that y'all or NPR R15 is like maximum but the thought being that leaves the door open for multi-family that then a request to down Zone to town homes would be more palatable and so I mean as is more or less ask for more than we need so that we can come back and feel like we met in the middle and I think to the discussion that we've been having repeatedly um developers or anybody you're not required to provide a site plan when the answer is only so the fact that they provided something like this is really like again just gravy for a council because you can't lock them into something like this if you give Mark 15 they can build whatever they want whatever is allowed in that zone I think that's a very good question about r10 or or another or lesser no I'll just shoot them straight like an R15 may get denied but I'd rather ask for that have it denied a reapply for what we need at a minimum and not have to wait a year to redo it but the uh or is it two I think it's two years yeah two years right and so I think the more um I've seen more projects go forward successfully when they have the ability to do more density but choose to do less that's what we are well I think we've seen some of some of that this evening um the the the uh the the two-year waiting period that's if you're reapplying for the same that's right it's not I mean if you if you request star 15 we're denied and you came back and said you wanted our 10 you just don't have to wait two years for that do you I believe you do I do too no if you're if you for anything you request if you were from if I remember correctly if you request a zoning change and it is denied you have to wait two years before you come up with another zoning change I mean for that same for the same Zone application does say has this property had a rezoning application in the last year um maybe it's one year on the same in two years two years on the same and one year on any I don't know well that's fine I I don't know that would seem silly if he came back and said he wanted to do our three I think it'll uh I think and I'm not I'm just trying to focus the conversation on this particular agenda item and I understand the reason for the questions but I also think maybe not focusing so much on the R15 because it hasn't even gone to Planning Commission yet there could be a lot of conversation that happens at that level the recommendation may not come over at all I can guarantee you this will be the one of the most contentious oh yeah that has ever existed in plan commission yeah I gave way experienced ideally here is to to get it annexed into the City and then fight for live to fight another day on planning admission yeah like a lot of conversations would be necessary for that Draper um the comprehensive plan in in the area adjacent properties but they it doesn't call for multi-family than that in that in that area because I know that that will be brought up yeah you have a traditional multi-family project and then you have Carly Dill we felt like this was a a good area for that I think so too yeah waking up where can I looked at that when we were I'm trying to remember what the comprehensive plan called for future land use it's I believe it fit except the plan to that whatever the plane's extent was that right fit with black I would look it up but uh yeah managing business it's medium density residential future so medium density would be considered up to R7 so it would be R4 which would be quarter acre lots that's right which is where we are right now R2 in the county equivalent which is yes the reason I was asking about the potential for time and and I think I think y'all would undoubtedly not officially request a zoning change unless you knew had a pretty good idea how it was going to come down um but it is I mean it go into again just the simple R15 it is not in keeping with the current map for future land use that's the reason I ask is it would it it would just from a planning staff and Miss Cohen you correct me if I'm wrong just from planning staff level position there's not really a discretion if that came before staff you would stamp it did not I mean recommend denial from the planning staff commission correct before but yeah if we can't find the support from the comp plan and anything else that's out there with existing development right that doesn't mean it can't come before us I think a lot of times we hear the feedback here you know maybe change the application ahead of Planning Commission um Howard strongly strongly encourage that yeah I mean I don't know here's the thing we could do by right 54 single-family homes this is 65 town homes under there are under the current County zoning oh I think he would need don't put don't quote me on this but ours seven to do the town homes or are 10. right just I'm just feeling this I have having greater density to take it up fewer less space right have you have you approached County County Council or County the county in order to do this change zoning before you talk about annexation I'm just asking the question haven't haven't met with kind of guys okay does our MPR give us this new MBR which I'm really eager to use at some point give us flexibility with multi-family as well oh yeah yeah see and NPR is very similar to like in Greer they have a drd or in Greenville they have an frd um yeah it's kind of conditioned upon a development narrative that you list out here's all the plan and um wouldn't be opposed to presenting it in that format with having those multiple public input sessions as well technical reviews sure it's fine what was the name of that housing they really pushed at the housing Summit what was the name of that what type of alcohol it was they were built in a it's kind of like a horseshoe and they shared a common area in the middle um they're all surface Park yeah yeah service Park yeah they're doing that at Clemson right now too um I don't know how I mean such a sensitive area right now they've just been overwhelmed with development I'm just it is in the county now [Applause] I'm fine keeping you know yeah I I mean I would support it of going past this point to go to Planning Commission to get their input back yeah I would support that but I I'm gonna um I'd rather try to Annex and go the city council route and have the county is a backup plan we can still go that path if yeah and and this is a new process for us and I think to Mr Stuckey's concerns that he had earlier is this is just us saying hey we're interested in entertaining the idea of annexation and and this is what it is so yeah we'll entertain the idea but it's got to go to Planning Commission and that's why that process is in place for us to be able to allow them to vet it to be a filter a screen for like a better term is for them to be able to screen it and to be able to say go ahead and give anticipate the public feedback we're going to get immediately oh I'm sorry yeah are they going to screen it as a city parcel or are they going to screen it at a County parcel because you've got two different I think that's why Julie wanted to put this in place yeah so I think if Council accepts that like I said if Council accepts the annexation petition that's basically using taking it from you bringing it into us we're interested in your annexation when he goes before Planning Commission Carol will tell them look he city council has accepted a petition for annexation so this will go to city council for consideration and then once that occurs then you'll have the two readings of the ordinance to Annex and result and you can do it all in one instead of having to do two separate ordinances so it makes the process cleaner and it also saves a lot of Staff time in working with him on annexing into the city if council is not interested in entertaining his request yeah I'm certainly interested in entertaining the request I don't want to lead you on either I just I think you know I made you and and you're Mr pickling aware of the challenges I mean cut through the entire process and the the input that you will certainly Community input that you I can guarantee you will receive um but I'm certainly interested in discussing something further in accepting his petition if that's something we would consider any other questions for Mr fickler thank you yes I appreciation do I hear a motion with regard to acceptance of annexation for the approximately 12.81 Acres of property located at 1310 Laurel Road East I'll make a motion but I want to make sure we're really clear I'll make a motion to accept the petition for approximately 12.881 Acres of property located at 1310 Laurel Road East we're accepting the petition basketball motion so you're emphasizing the word accepting the petition I think for folks that have this genuine concern like Mr Stucky does that this is only a petition yes you like it all right we have a motion by Mr bias second by Mr Abels any further discussion regarding the motion all right all in favor of uh considering acceptance of annexation petition for approximately 12.81 Acres of property located at 1310 Laurel Road East that motion carries unanimously with five votes just a reminder about our annual planning meeting 13th and 14th please let Ryan know if you're planning to do the tour of the genetics Center uh here's some dates that I included for you of things that are coming up I'll still click through these the um cookout Community cookout is this week the 21st that's a Wednesday right it was today 19th yes Wednesday book drive still going on there are tons of books downstairs but we're willing to accept more block party for Matthew's Mill Village we have the firefighter Camp going on if you know a kid in grades three through five a pretty cool camp that our our folks are partnering with the museum on can you remember do you mind me did you all know how much that costs I just want to make sure I know that there are some Uptown business owners that are offering scholarships good that's that's a cool product um we have a concert coming up on October the 7th um we have the chamber has their Grassroots tour September 28th so there's a lot going on yeah let's not Skip by that we need to make sure everybody spreads the word about the Blind Boys Alabama yeah gonna be a cool quality of life event in our our quest to provide diverse musical options for our our city and our visitors and then the annual Town annual meeting is Tuesday October 25th and you can let Tiffany know if any of those things that you would like to attend um I forgot to add my slide for Council comments but at this time if there are any comments from Council before Journey Council well just just so that there's no surprise I know probably our next meeting we we've we've been asked and we'll entertain potentially a an ordinance to close businesses close bars 2 A.M in city limits to mirror what the county passed 10 or a dozen years ago right 2010 2010 yeah just you all like to see that on the third since we have a special College meeting I think that would not make sense because I can't be at the one meeting on the 17th so as much as we can do on the third that has to be done I would like to do it we have a schedule called meeting anyway so we can at the very least Bring It Forward for virtue yeah so y'all can review it ahead of that and we'll get it out I know Tiffany's working on it now so we'll try to get as soon as she has the draft we'll send it out thank you if we can go back and we could go ahead and find the minutes or the timeline of when that was last discussed that would be great for us to go ahead it was it was wild it was in 2010 correct because I think the plan was for City and City and the county to do it at the same time if I'm no there wasn't a plan for the city and county the county did it and then they thought the city should do it too I'll find the minutes I've honestly just that was just right when I started with the city yeah it came to the city and county at the same time the county approved it and said he didn't we didn't I actually believe that's coming important why why we've actually Tiffany's actually already pulled them for me so it's something that obviously we don't know how that vote will come down but I think it's certainly Timely something that's timely to reconsider as clubs any other comments do I hear emotion to adjourn motion to return second promotion by Mr Miller second by Mr Bass any further discussion regarding adjournment all in favor that motion carries