>> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WELCOME TO CITY HALL, TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THIS MORNING OUR INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY -- NOT PASTOR ROB. JOSHUA FRIEDRICH. >> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, I'M KIND OF A LAST-MINUTE SUBSTITUTE HERE. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE THE OTHER PASTOR GETS THE OPPORTUNITY SOON AS WELL. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. BOW YOUR HEADS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. REMAIN STANDING, DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. LET'S JUST GIVE THANKS TO THE LOVELY COUNCILWOMEN AND CITY STAFF MEMBERS HERE AND HOPE TODAY IS GOING TO BE A DAY OF WISDOM AND GUIDANCE FROM THEM. NO MATTER YOUR GOD, DEITY, OR HIGHER AUTHORITY YOU PRAY TO, EVEN IF IT'S THE HIGHER AUTHORITY OF BIG GOVERNMENT, I HOPE IT GUIDES YOU TODAY AND GIVES YOU THE WISDOM TO BRING OUR CITY FORWARD AND BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS WE CAN BE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: AMEN. THANK YOU. AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE TEXAS STATE FLAG WILL BE LED BY WILLIAM PYLE. HE IS A 12th GRADER AT RICHARD KING HIGH SCHOOL. WILLIAM. >> PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE TEXAS PLEDGE. [HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, WILLIAM. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR STUDIES. >> Barrera: GO MUSTANGS! >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S RIGHT. CITY SECRETARY, MS. HUERTA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> City Secretary: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REQUIRED CHARTER OFFICERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. HUERTA. OKAY. CITY MANAGER, PETER ZANONI. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US YOUR UPDATE ON CITY OPERATIONS. >> Zanoni: THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE NEW YEAR SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REMIND US OF SOME OF THE WORK WE'LL BE DOING WITH THE COUNCIL, THE DEPARTMENTS, AND THE COMMUNITY. WE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING POLICY ITEMS FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT'S THE MONTHS JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND MARCH. AND THESE ITEMS THAT WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL, AND IN SOME CASES THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ENGAGED. THIS IS JUST FOR THE FIRST QUARTER. THERE'S 15 ITEMS HERE. I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EACH ONE MOMENTARILY. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LIST HERE INCLUDES THE BOND PROGRAM, BOND '26 PROGRAM. IS THIS ON OUR SCREEN HERE? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. >> Zanoni: THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THE CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION AND DISTRICT RENEWAL. THE HEALTH DISTRICT FOOD SERVICE PERMITS FEE. WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL ON THAT IN DECEMBER. WE DO NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT RESIDENTIAL STREETS FUNDING. BEACH PERMITS IS SOMETHING WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT. AMENDMENTS TO THE TRUST FUNDS OR REPLACEMENT WITH IMPACT FEES IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE IN THE COMING MONTHS. TIRZ NO. 7 CREATION. THAT'S A NEW TIRZ. TIRZ CREATION POLICY. SO AS THE REQUEST FOR NEW TIRZ COME IN, WE'LL HAVE A POLICY FRAMEWORK TO ASSESS THAT REQUEST. WE HAVE SALES TAX IMPLEMENTATION TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT FROM THE LAST SALES TAX ELECTION. THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE FOR THE HILLIARD CENTER THAT THE LEGISLATURE APPROVED FOR US. HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND THEN WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS. THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. AND THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH A FEW SLIDES HERE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT. BEGINNING WITH THE BOND PROGRAM. AND SO BOND '26 IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO. WE'RE IN A CYCLE OF DOING A BOND PROGRAM EVERY TWO YEARS. AND BOND '26 WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER, IF THE CITY COUNCIL CHOSE TO DO THAT. WE WOULD RECOMMEND FUNDING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF BOND PROGRAMS. THAT INCLUDES THE BASICS: STREETS, PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, AND OTHER FACILITIES AS WELL. SO ONE THING WE KNOW ALREADY, AS WE WORK WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, IS THIS IS SMALLER THAN THE LAST ONE. W SO IT WILL BE LESS THAN $175 MILLION . WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND A BOND PROGRAM THOUGH, JUST TO CONTINUE THE WORK. WE KNOW THAT IN THIS BOND PROGRAM, SEVERAL PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN, INCLUDING STREETS IN DISTRICT 5. WE HAVE A LIBRARY THAT'S IN DESIGN. WE HAVE POLICE SUBSTATIONS AND FIRE STATIONS IN DESIGN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THESE, GIVEN THE REDUCTION IN THE SIZE OF THE BOND PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND CONTINUING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WILL BEGIN IN THIS NEXT QUARTER. FOR THE BUDGET OF '27, THAT'S REALLY MORE TOWARDS THE THIRD QUARTER, THE EARLY SUMMER/SUMMERTIME. AS WE PROMISED THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED LATER ON. IN FEBRUARY, WE'LL BRING THE COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET CALENDAR TO THE COUNCIL. THAT WILL SHOW IN APRIL WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. BEFORE THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON THE BUDGET. THAT WILL BE FORUMS IN THE COMMUNITY, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY IN-PERSON. WE'LL ALSO DO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WHICH IS A SURVEY THAT WAS REAL HELPFUL IN DETERMINING THE COUNCIL'S SENTIMENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET. SO THE '27 BUDGET PROCESS WILL CONTINUE. NOW THE CRIME CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THIS CITY HAS FUNDED FROM SALES TAX FOR MANY YEARS AND IT IS UP FOR RENEWAL. WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT GOES BACK TO 1997 WHEN VOTERS FIRST APPROVED IT. IT WAS RENEWED AGAIN IN 2016. IT IS 1/8TH OF A SALES TAX AND THAT'S USED FOR 78 POLICE OFFICERS VEHICLES OVERTIME AND A FEW OTHER SUPPLIES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT DO WE WANT TO RENEW IT AND WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. DO WE WANT IT TO FOCUS ON THE BASICS, POLICE OFFICERS, OR IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE. WE'LL BEGIN THAT WORK WITH A SCHEDULE TO SHOW COUNCIL, AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN EARLY DIALOGUE ON THE CRIME CONTROL DISTRICT RENEWAL. THIS IS ONCE IN A COUPLE OF DECADES THAT A COUNCIL GETS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. SO THAT'S COMING UP AS WELL. NOW, JUST BEFORE THE BREAK, WE DID TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE FOOD SERVICE PERMIT FEES. THIS ITEM THAT DR. KURIAN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IS DUE TO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION LAST LEGISLATURE. THEY PUT SOME MINIMUMS AND THEY CHANGED SOME OF THE WAYS WE ISSUE PERMITS AND HOW WE CHARGE. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE RATE ON SOME OF THESE FEES AND PERMITS. WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT WORK SO THAT WE GET THESE CHANGED AND APPROVED BY APRIL -- OR MARCH IS WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE THEM IMPLEMENTED IN MARCH. WE HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS WITH THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE FEES. WE'LL DO SOME ONE-ON-ONES AND ANSWER COUNCIL QUESTIONS ADDS WELL SO WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S ADOPTABLE BY THE COUNCIL WHEN IT COMES TO FOOD INSPECTION AND PERMIT FEES FOR THIS. SO WE HAVE OUR FIRST READING FEBRUARY 24th AND THEN MARCH 2ND IS THE PLAN FOR THE SECOND READING. OKAY. THIS ONE HERE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE COUNCIL ON . THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE PAST THREE BUDGETS, WHICH IS OUR STREET FUNDING. BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF CHOICES AND OPTIONS TO KEEP IT AT LEVEL FUNDING. YOU MAY RECALL THAT IN FISCAL YEAR '24, THREE FISCAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL LET THE STREET FEE SUNSET. THEY DIDN'T RENEW IT. IN THAT SAME FISCAL YEAR WE ALSO DOUBLED THE SENIOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, OR DOUBLED THE GENERAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND INCREASED THE SENIOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO WE TOOK KIND OF A DOUBLE HIT IN OUR REVENUES. ONE, WE ELIMINATED A STEADY STREAM OF ABOUT $12 MILLION IN STREET FUNDING, DUE TO THAT STREET USER FEE. WE FOREGO NOW ABOUT $12 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT WAS USED TO HELP FUND STREETS IN THE BUDGETS I PRESENTED. SO OVER THE PAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, THROUGH ONE-TIME REVENUES, CANCELING CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN IN THE LAST BOND PROGRAM, INCLUDING MONEY FOR STREETS, WE WERE ABLE TO BACK FILL THAT. BUT OUR OPTIONS ARE RUNNING OUT. SO THIS CHART HERE SHOWS YOU -- THERE'S A LOT OF COLUMNS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADOPTED FY26 BUDGET, TODAY WE HAVE $93 MILLION FOR STREETS BY OUR TWO GENERAL FUND FUNDING STREAMS THAT HAVE DEDICATED REVENUES FOR STREETS. AND THEN THE BOND PROGRAM HAD A $35 MILLION PACKAGE. THIS 27 IS THE REMAINDER. WE ALREADY SPENT SOME LAST FISCAL YEAR. $93MILLION. THE FISCAL CLIFF OR STREET FUNDING CLIFF CAN BE SEEN IN THAT COLUMN CALLED THE FORECAST FOR '27. IT'S A 47% REDUCTION IN AVAILABLE FUNDING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE ONE-TIME REVENUES. WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE FUND BALANCE. WE DON'T HAVE THE STREET FEE AND WE HAVE LESS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. THERE'S A ZERO IN THERE FOR THE BOND PROGRAM BUT THAT'S SOME OF THE POLICY WE'LL TALK ABOUT WITH THE COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO PROBABLY BE RECOMMENDING A PACKAGE IN THE BOND PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALMOST CONSUME A BIG PART OF THAT BOND PROGRAM, JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL STREETS. SO WE CAN KEEP FUNDING SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO $93 MILLION. IF WE DID NOT DO THAT, THE BASE WOULD BE $44 MILLION, WHICH IS NEARLY 50% LESS. THIS IS A REALITY THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THE COUNCILS ABOUT MANY, MANY TIMES IN OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES. BUT IT'S, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT THE RUBBER IS MEETING THE ROAD. WE'LL BE TALKING MORE WITH COUNCIL ABOUT IT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. THEN ANOTHER ITEM THAT ALSO IS LIKE ONCE IN A DECADE IS OUR BEACH PERMIT. SO IN OUR GULF BEACHES, BACK IN 2002, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, NUECES COUNTY, AND PORT ARANSAS SIGNED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO DO A BEACH PARKING PERMIT ON THE BEACHES. IT'S $12. IT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME. PORT ARANSAS AND THE COUNTY WANT TO INCREASE THE FEE AND SO IF THEY WANT TO, WE ALL HAVE TO DO IT TOGETHER. THAT'S HOW THE AGREEMENT WORKS WITH THE STATE. AND SO MICHAEL DICE MAY HAVE BRIEFED SOME OF YOU. I KNOW WE SENT A MEMO ALREADY. THE PLAN IS TO RECOMMEND TO THIS CITY COUNCIL INCREASING THE FEE FROM $12 TO $20. THAT WOULD BE IN 2027 AND WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL 2027. THE ACTION WOULD BE COMING UP IN THESE COMING MONTHS. AND IF YOU TOOK $12 SINCE 2002 AND APPLIED INFLATION TO IT EVERY YEAR, IT WOULD BE $20 TODAY. SO IT'S NOT -- IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE A LOT, 12 TO 20, BUT IT TAKES THE $12 AND ESCALATES IT WITH INFLATION. THESE DOLLARS WILL BE USED TO HELP KEEP OUR BEACHES CLEAN. ALL THREE ENTITIES HAVE TO BE IN CONCERT WITH THIS. OTHERWISE IT CAN'T BE DONE. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT PARTNERSHIP EARLIER IN OUR TIRZ MEETING, BUT WE DON'T WANT PORT ARANSAS OR THE COUNTY TO TRY TO GO IT ALONE AND THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT PERMITS ON THE BEACH. THIS IS SOMETHING COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, BUT THE IMPACT FEES AND TRUST FUND. THIS THING, I WAS DOUBLE CHECKING THESE DATES HERE, BUT THIS PROJECT IS ALMOST SIX YEARS OLD. THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS ORGANIZATION, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS QUESTION SINCE 2019. AND SO IN 2019/2020, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT THE TRUST FUNDS AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING MECHANISMS TO BRING IN MONEY WHEN DEVELOPERS BUILD NEW SUBDIVISIONS TO GENERATE REVENUES TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. WASTEWATER WATER ROADS STORMWATER. SO IN A NEW SUBDIVISION, THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. RIGHT NOW TRUST FUNDS ARE USED. IT'S REALLY UNIQUE TO CORPUS. I THINK WE FOUND ONE OTHER CITY THAT MIGHT USE A TRUST FUND. OR IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS A MORE COMMONLY-USED REVENUE-GENERATING PRACTICE. THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, MOSES MOSTAGHASI, WE NEED TO THANK HIM. HE'S BEEN THE CHAIR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THEY HELD ALMOST 30, 29 TO BE EXACT MEETINGS. THEY HAD SIX SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS AND UPDATES TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT TAKEN A VOTE YET ON ARE WE GOING TO FIX THE TRUST FUNDS OR ARE WE GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO IMPACT FEES. THIS IS LIKE A DECADE -- THIS IS PRETTY UNIQUE FOR THIS COUNCIL. YOU'LL BE MAKING HISTORY HERE. THE COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE MARCH TIME-FRAME. AND THE LAST ACTION THAT HAPPENED FROM THE COUNCIL IS THE COUNCIL TOLD THE CIAC TO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO IMPROVE THE TRUST FUNDS SO IT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. THE CIAC DID THAT AND THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. THEY'RE PRESENTING THEM FIRST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A CHOICE, WHICH IS YOU CAN TAKE THE TRUST FUNDS AND MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS TO THEM TO GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY. ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS WHERE WE'RE USING THE TRUST FUNDS. OR WE CAN SWITCH OVER TO WHAT IS COMMONLY USED ACROSS TEXAS AND THE COUNTRY, WHICH IS IMPACT FEES. AND SO THAT'S COMING TO THIS COUNCIL. THE TIRZ 7 CREATION IS A POLICY ITEM TOO AND THIS IS STUFF WE'RE WORKING ON, 15 DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, BECAUSE JANUARY IS HALF OVER. TIRZ NO. 7, THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY TO APPROVE THE TIRZ. BUT IN THE COMING WEEKS, THE COUNCIL STILL HAS TO MAKE BOARD APPOINTMENTS. THE TIRZ WILL HAVE A FIRST BOARD MEETING. THE TIRZ WILL DEVELOP INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, OR THE CITY WILL, WITH NUECES COUNTY AND DEL MAR COLLEGE. THERE WILL BE SOME CONVERSATION ON THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR THE MIRABELLA PROJECT. THIS IS SOMEWHAT NEW IN HOW IT'S BEING USED. WE SUPPORT IT AND WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SMART, GOOD GROWTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL. AND THEN THE TIRZ CREATION POLICY. WE DO NOT HAVE ONE. WE HAVE A PID POLICY THAT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ HELPED CHAMPION BUT WHEN WE WANT TO CREATE A TIRZ, WE JUST KIND OF DO IT. AND SO SEVERAL ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ASKED LET'S HAVE A POLICY THAT GIVES US A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW DO WE ASSESS THE REQUEST FOR A TIRZ. SO WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT FRAMEWORK. THIS IS EXTREME POLICY, SO ONLY THE COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES HERE. THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL. I BELIEVE WE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO HELP US AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THIS COMING IN THESE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. OKAY. NOW THIS ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE LAST ELECTION WE HAD, GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF '24. THE VOTERS APPROVED THE RENEWAL OF TWO OF OUR 1/8TH CENT SALES TAX. THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR FACILITIES, IT WAS FOR THE HILLIARD CENTER AND THE ASSETS BEHIND IT. THE MUSEUMS AND THE WATER GARDEN. AND ALSO IN THAT SAME 1/8TH CENT, HALF OF IT GOES TO THE SEA DISTRICT FACILITIES. THE OTHER HALF IS FOR STREETS. THEY ALSO APPROVED A 1/8TH CENT SALES TAX ENTIRELY FOR THE DOWNTOWN SEAWALL. IT'S A 20-YEAR TAX. EACH OF THOSE 1/8TH CENT GENERATES ABOUT $200 MILLION. AND SO WE HAVE TO BRING TO COUNCIL HOW DO WE WANT TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY. WHAT DO WE WANT TO INVEST IT IN? DO WE WANT TO DO PAY-AS-YOU-GO? DO WE WANT TO ISSUE DEBT AND GET SOME BIG PROJECTS DONE NOW RATHER THAN OVER 20 YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER YET TO RECOMMEND YOU BUT THIS IS EXTREME WORK AND THIS IS UNIQUE. THIS IS ONLY ONE IN 20 YEARS DOES A COUNCIL GET A CHANCE TO DO THIS. WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL IN THESE NEXT THREE MONTHS. AND THEN SIMILAR, ON THE SAME CONCEPT HERE, THE HILLIARD CENTER WILL BENEFIT FROM THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE THAT WE WERE UNIQUE IN GETTING AMENDED HERE AT THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. ONLY A FEW CITIES HAVE THIS. THIS IS WHERE THE STATE WILL REIMBURSE TO US STATE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, STATE TAX, AND MIXED-USE BEVERAGE OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD IN THIS ZONE AROUND THE HILLIARD CENTER. THE ISSUE IN THE PAST WAS THERE WAS A CIRCULAR CIRCUMFERENCE AND HALF THE ZONE WAS IN THE BAY. IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THEY ALLOWED US TO DRAW IT DIFFERENTLY TO CAPTURE AS MANY HOTELS AS WE COULD. WE HAVE TO BRING THE MAP BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. WE ALSO HAVE TO BRING BACK THE PROJECT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE STATE MONEY. AND IT'S NOT GENERAL MAINTENANCE. IT HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF EXTREME ENHANCEMENT TO THE HILLIARD CENTER. SOME TYPE OF REMODEL OR SLIGHT ENHANCEMENT OR EXPANSION, I SHOULD SAY. BECAUSE WE CAN USE ALL THE STATE'S MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS BUT WE'VE GOT TO DEFINE THE ZONE AND DEFINE THE PROJECT AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE STATE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON IN THESE NEXT THREE MONTHS. HOUSING'S IMPORTANT. WE HAVE SEEN SEVERAL THINGS IN THE NEWS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING DURING THE BREAK BUT THIS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED, ALONG WITH THE HOUSING CORPORATION AND HOUSING AUTHORITY, A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND SO WE'RE HIRING A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT. WE HAD AN RFP OUT IN NOVEMBER. WE HAD EIGHT COMPANIES PUT IN A REQUEST TO DO THIS WORK FOR US. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THOSE PROPOSALS. THE ONE PROFESSIONAL FIRM THAT WE RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVES, OR IF YOU APPROVE AN ALTERNATE, WILL STUDY OUR HOUSING NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELP US IDENTIFY WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING DO WE NEED, HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE AMI, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WHERE. AND SO THIS WILL BE A GOOD TOOL THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY. BUT THE POLICY ISSUE FOR THE COUNCIL WILL BE MAKING SURE THE SCOPE AND THAT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT -- I KNOW I TALKED TO COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON ON GENERALLY THE SCOPE TO BEGIN WITH -- BUT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCOPE AND ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO PICK THE FIRM AS WELL OR APPROVE THE FIRM'S CONTRACT, I SHOULD SAY, AS WELL. AND THEN OUR WATER SUPPLY. WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS ON THE AGENDA TODAY SO I WON'T BELABOR THESE HERE. WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE STILL FRONT AND CENTER. THIS PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S NUMBER ONE IN ALL OF OUR WORK PROCESSES HERE. BUT WE WILL BE TALKING TO COUNCIL ABOUT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. STILL A LOT OF DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE ON EVANGELINE, ON OUR NUECES GROUNDWATER WELLS, EFFLUENT REUSE, ON THE INNER HARBOR DESALINATION, AND HARBOR ISLAND, WE MAY HAVE WORK THERE. BARNEY DAVIS, BOTH HERNANDEZ AND PAXSON HAVE ASKED ME TO GET SOME INFORMATION GOING THERE. THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN POLICY FORM OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS. AND ALSO IN THAT IS THE FAR-FIELD MODEL. WE DON'T HAVE A SLIDE FOR IT -- HERE IT IS. SO THE FAR-FIELD MODEL ALSO IS IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEES THAT WERE FORMED THROUGH THE CHRISTMAS BREAK, WITH THE COUNCIL'S HELP. A TOTAL OF 18 INDIVIDUALS ON EACH OF THE COMMITTEES. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE FAR-FIELD MODEL. WORK THAT WILL BE DONE FOR THE INNER HARBOR PROJECT. AND THEIR FIRST MEETING FOR THE FAR-FIELD MODEL -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT -- IS FEBRUARY 24. ALL OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS WILL BE HERE AT CITY HALL ON THE SIXTH FLOOR AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE BROADCAST LIVE ON YOUTUBE OR FACEBOOK. WE WANT THIS TO BE THE MOST TRANSPARENT PROCESS EVER AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BROADCAST EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS LIVE. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ALL THE MINUTES TRANSCRIBED AND THE MINUTES WILL BE AVAILABLE. EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID IN THOSE MEETINGS. WE'RE NOT PICKING ANY FIRM UNTIL THE COMMITTEE MEETS. THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HELP US PICK THE FIRM TO DO THE FAR-FIELD MODELING. AND THEN SIMILARLY ON THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WE WANT THAT TO BE TRANSPARENT. 18 INDIVIDUALS WILL HELP US UPDATE OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. WE DO HAVE ONE BUT IT HAS TO BE UPDATED AND THE COUNCIL DID APPOINT NINE MEMBERS THERE. I APPOINTED NINE AS WELL. MINE FOCUS MOSTLY ON THE SMALLER -- I SHOULDN'T SAY SMALLER, BUT THE COMMUNITIES AROUND CORPUS CHRISTI THAT WE SUPPLY WATER TO. SO MANY OF THE CITIES LIKE PORTLAND INGLESIDE. I THINK WE HAVE ONE FROM NORTH AS WELL WILL BE WORKING. THEIR FIRST MEETING IS JANUARY 22 AND THOSE MEETINGS WILL BE HERE ON THE SIXTH FLOOR. THEY WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, OPEN TO THE COUNCIL. WE DO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO GO, ESPECIALLY TO THE FAR FIELD ONE. I HAD A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK ME THAT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO ALL OF THEM, IF YOU CAN. IF YOU CAN'T, WATCH AT LEAST SOME OF IT ON YOUTUBE OR READ SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHT MINUTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AVAILABLE, BOTH FOR THAT AND THE CONSERVATION PLAN. AND THEN ON SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THE LEVEL ONE WATER EMERGENCY POLICY WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL TOO IN THESE NEXT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A WATER SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE CURTAILMENT IS BEING DISCUSSED. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY BOOK I CAN OPEN UP AND SAY THIS IS HOW THE LAST CITY MANAGER DID IT. WE'VE GOT TO CREATE IT. WE'VE GOT TO CREATE -- NICK HAS A DRAFT PLAN ALREADY. AND THINGS LIKE WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS CURTAILMENT? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? HOW DO WE REACH IT? I TOLD ONE NEWS REPORTER, THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS BY A REGIONAL COMMITMENT AMONGST OURSELVES TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET THROUGH IT. WE'RE HOPING, AS COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON KNOWS AND OTHERS KNOW, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO CURTAILMENT. WE'RE BRINGING ON MORE WATER THAN WE HAVE EVER HAD THROUGH DIFFERENT SUPPLIES, INCLUDING IN NUECES COUNTY AND EVANGELINE AND SAN PATRICIO. WE WOULD BE FOOLISH IF WE WEREN'T READY, IN CASE WE DID HAVE TO GO INTO CURTAILMENT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE REGION SO THEY CAN BE READY, JUST IN CASE. WE WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO BE READY, JUST IN CASE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE TALKING TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT AS WELL. ON THIS LAST SLIDE HERE, THESE ARE THE 15 AND THESE ARE JUST THE BIG POLICY ITEMS I JUST WENT THROUGH. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHERS AS WELL THAT WE COULD HAVE PUT ON THE LIST. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY WILL TAKE THE ATTENTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY PROFESSIONAL TEAM OVER THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS. THE BOND PROGRAM, BUDGET, CRIME CONTROL, HEALTH INSPECTION PERMIT FEES, STREET FUNDING, OUR BEACH PERMIT. AMENDMENTS TO THE TRUST FUNDS OR THE REPLACEMENT. THE TIRZ 7 CREATION. TIRZ POLICY. SALES TAX IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIONS. THE PROJECT FINANCE ZONE. OUR HOUSING NEEDS. WATER SUPPLY, WATER CONSERVATION, AND LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. SO SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING, MAYOR, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. I TALKED TO SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS IN MY ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH THE COUNCIL AS WELL EARLY LAST WEEK. BUT THAT WILL BE GOOD TO SHOW THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. I'M HERE AND SOME OF THE EXECUTIVES ARE HERE AS WELL IF WE HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PETER. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO POINT THIS OUT, PETER. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH YOU ON THE FAR-FIELD ADVISORY BOARD BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL DIRECTED YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT THAT BIG. I DON'T THINK 18 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AGREE. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ARGUING BACK AND FORTH. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE. I MEAN, I THOUGHT 12 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT 18 PEOPLE, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AS GOOD AS WE WANTED IT TO BE. JUST WANTED TO THROW MY OPINION OUT THERE. AND THEN I THINK YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT WAITING FOR THEM TO MEET TO DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO DO THE FAR-FIELD STUDY. HAVE YOU HAD ANY BIDS THAT CAME IN? >> Zanoni: YEAH. SO WE DIDN'T PUT A REQUEST FOR BID OUT. WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN FIRMS THAT DO THIS THAT WE KNOW THROUGH OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND THEN THROUGH CONSULTANT KNOWLEDGE. AND SO THOSE SEVEN FIRMS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE. >> Cantu: IS ONE OF THE SEVEN THE SAME FIRM THAT DID IT FOR THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI? >> Zanoni: IT IS. ON THE PANEL ITSELF, COUNCILMAN, WE HAD HOPED THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD PICK SOME OF THE APPOINTEES I PUT ON THERE, LIKE SOMEBODY FROM THE HEART INSTITUTE, SOMEBODY FROM THE U.T. MARINE SCIENCE INSTITUTE, SOMEBODY FROM HILLCREST, SOMEBODY FROM NORTH BEACH. MY APPOINTEES FILLED IN WHAT WE VERBALLY TALKED TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT BUT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T PICK ANYBODY FROM THOSE INSTITUTIONS OR NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT WE WILL HAVE A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT COUNCILMAN. AND SO I THINK I HEAR YOUR CONCERN. >> Cantu: WHAT'S OUR BUDGET ON THAT? WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR THE CONSULTANT? >> Zanoni: YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND. >> Cantu: FOR A CONSULTANT? >> Zanoni: WE HAVE TWO CONSULTANTS. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GOING TO HELP US DO THE SCOPE OF WORK. THAT WAS PLUMMER. >> Cantu: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, PETER, DO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TOILET PAPER TO BUY? I MEAN, JESUS. I MEAN, WE JUST PAY CONSULTANTS AN AND CONSULTANTS. IT'S RIDICULOUS. >> Zanoni: THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. THE DESAL PROJECT, THAT BASELINE PROJECT WAS $750 MILLION. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> Cantu: THAT'S JUST CRAZY. >> Zanoni: THAT'S A HIGH NUMBER. THAT'S A HIGH ESTIMATE BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- >> Cantu: SO THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT? ARE THEY GOING TO PICK WHO WE USE? >> Zanoni: NO. WHO IS GOING TO PICK IS THE COMMITTEE OF 18 AND THE CITY STAFF WILL BE ADVISING. ONE CONSULTANT HAS TO DRAFT THE SCOPE OF WORK AND HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL, PROFESSIONALLY, THAT A CONSULTANT WILL KNOW WHAT TO DO FOR WORK. THE OTHER CONSULTANT WILL HELP MANAGE THE MEETINGS. >> Cantu: WE COULDN'T DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR? LIKE TELL THEM WE WANT A FAR-FIELD STUDY? WE'RE JUST SPENDING MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT. IT BOTHERS ME AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO GET A CONSULTANT EVERY SINGLE TIME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Cantu: IF WE'RE GOING TO PAY GOOD MONEY FOR A FAR-FIELD STUDY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF FAR-FIELD STUDY WE NEED TO GET. >> Zanoni: THEY WILL BUT THE SEVEN FIRMS ON THE LIST, WE COULD GET SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT WE NEED. IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THERE HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DO YOU WANT. BUT WE'LL TRY TO BRING THAT PRICE DOWN. THAT'S THE HIGHEST ESTIMATE. >> Cantu: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: COUNCILMAN CANTU, I THINK THE CONSULTANTS TO FIGURE OUT THE FAR-FIELD MODEL ARE GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE FAR-FIELD MODEL. >> Zanoni: THAT'S ALL IN. IT'S THREE CONSULTANTS. YOU GET ONE TO DRAFT THE SCOPE OF WORK. THEY'RE GOING TO STAY ON RETAINER THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT AS AN OWNER'S AGENT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FAR-FIELD MODELER, 50 TO $100,000, WHICH THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR. WE'RE DOING WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. THE LAST CONSULTANT IS ONE TO HELP HAVE MEANINGFUL MEETINGS, A FACILITATOR. WE WANT THIS TO BE GOOD. >> Hernandez: OKAY, PETER. WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD A SLIDE ON STREETS DURING YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW MUCH FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. BUT YOU ALSO INCLUDED TYPE B FUNDING FOR ARTERIALS AND COMMERCIAL STREETS. THAT WAS FUNDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD FROM DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR OVERALL ASSESSMENT ON HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON STREETS? BECAUSE IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS IS JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL STREETS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: ARE WE REPLACING ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL STREETS OR ARTERIAL STREETS THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH OUR NORMAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH TYPE B FUNDING THAT WE'VE ASSIGNED TO IT FOR THIS YEAR? BECAUSE IT KICKS IN THIS YEAR. >> Zanoni: IT DOES. IT'S ALREADY KICKED IN. JANUARY 1 WE BEGAN COLLECTING THAT MONEY. >> Hernandez: IS ANY OF THAT -- CAN WE MOVE ANY OF THAT MONEY WE WERE GOING TO SPEND ON ARTERIALS INTO RESIDENTIAL? >> Zanoni: I BELIEVE WE CAN, COUNCILMAN. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT WAS DEDICATED TO COLLECTOR AND ARTERIALS. I BELIEVE WE CAN. >> Hernandez: I THINK WE NEED A BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST THE ISOLATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREET PROGRAM. WHEN YOU BRING THE STREETS PROGRAM TO US, MAKE SURE YOU BRING US THE ENTIRE PICTURE OF ALL THE PROGRAMS ASSOCIATED AND ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES. >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> Hernandez: I THINK THIS GIVES US A WRONG IMPRESSION OF HOW MUCH MONEY IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE FOR STREETS. >> Zanoni: IT'S PRETTY CLOSE, COUNCILMAN, OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE. THE ONLY THING NOT IN THERE NOW IS THE $4.5 MILLION FOR SALES TAX. >> Hernandez: GIVE US THE FULL PICTURE. I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING ON THE CIAC. IT'S NOT JUST THE TRUST FUNDS VERSUS IMPACT FEES. THEY ALSO DID A LOT OF WORK ON MASTER PLANS FOR THE CITY. CONSOLIDATING AND DIGITALIZING THAT AND A GOOD PORTION WAS ON MASTER PLANS. AND THE REASON WHY I VOTED TO SPEND THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO CREATE THOSE MASTER PLANS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DID THAT DIDN'T PRODUCE SOME SORT OF VIABLE RESULTS. BECAUSE IT DID. THE MASTER PLANS WERE SORELY NEEDED TO CONSOLIDATE IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANY VALUE FOR THAT WORK. >> Zanoni: OKAY. YES SIR. >> Hernandez: ALSO, YOU MENTIONED HIRING A CONSULTANT TO DO A HOUSING STUDY. WHAT I ASKED DAN AND JENNIFER BUXTON TO GIVE US A LIST OF ALL THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING PROGRAMS AND THE VALUE OF ALL THAT ACROSS ALL FORMATS: OURSELVES, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN EXISTENCE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT'S IN EXISTENCE WHERE THERE'S TAX SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PROGRAMS. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE UP FRONT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, NOT JUST FROM A BASELINE OF NOTHING AND SAYING WE NEED MORE HOUSING. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN EXISTENCE AND THAT SHOULD BE A LARGE PART OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT A 9% HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM RECEIVING SOME FUNDING FROM TYPE B. BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN PUT INTO IT ALREADY. IT GOES BACK DECADES. IT'S NOT JUST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. WE JUST REDID ONE THAT WAS DONE 30 YEARS AGO. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE FULL PICTURE ON ANYTHING THAT YOU BRING TO COUNCIL THAT IT'S NOT JUST WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, IT'S THE ENTIRE 50,000 VIEW. >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THE $200,000 IS FOR CONSULTANTS AND IT IS ALSO FOR THE FAR-FIELD STUDY CORRECT? >> Zanoni: CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AND PROBABLY MOST EXPENSIVE COST IS THAT STUDY. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN DO A FAR-FIELD STUDY. >> Vaughn: I DON'T LIKE THE PRICE EITHER BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ON THIS DESAL. WE WANT THE FAR-FIELD STUDY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE INITIALLY VOTED THIS DOWN, HERE WE ARE AGAIN. I CALL IT THE ZOMBIE PROJECT. I CALL IT WHAT IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS KILLED AND NOW WE'RE STILL WASTING MORE MONEY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I JUST RECEIVED AN E-MAIL IN REGARDS TO THE CORE MIX SAMPLE WAS FLAWED AND DOESN'T SHOW WE SHOULD HAVE GONE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. THROWING MONEY ON THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS . I, OF COURSE, WAS APPOINTED A PERSON BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT SITTING AT THE TABLE, HELLO, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. SO, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS JUST MONEY UP THE TOILET. IT'S JUST TERRIBLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. MR. ZANONI, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT? >> Zanoni: THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. AS WE BEGIN TODAY'S MEETING, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ADDRESS THIS THIS IS A FORUM FOR CIVIC DISCUSSION, DECISION MAKING, AND SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT IS NOT A STAGE FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS DISRUPTIONS OR VULGARITY. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE VIOLATIONS OF DECORUM. WE'RE HERE TO DO THE PEOPLE'S WORK. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM, YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN UP BEFOREHAND. I WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE ITEM. AT THAT TIME YOU MAY COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK AND I'LL ASK CITY ATTORNEY, MILES RISLEY, TO REVIEW THE COUNCIL MEETING RULES OF DECORUM, WHICH WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE TELEVISION SCREEN FOR OUR AUDIENCE'S REFERENCE . [RULES OF DECORUM] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RISLEY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH YOU LIVE BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WHILE NON-RESIDENT COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. A VISIBLE TIMER POSITIONED NEAR THE CITY SECRETARY'S DESK WILL HELP MANAGE THE ALLOTTED TIME. IF YOU HAVE A PETITION OR RELEVANT INFORMATION, PLEASE PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE SPEAKING AND SHE WILL HAND IT OUT TO US. SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SECTION G, WHICH IS OUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE BOARD OR COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS? TODAY WE HAVE THE ISLAND STRATEGIC ACTION COMMITTEE AND THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. OKAY. THERE BEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE APPOINTMENTS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. MS. HUERTA. >> City Secretary: THE FIRST BOARD IS THE ISLAND STRATEGIC ACTION COMMITTEE. THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES REPRESENTING THE FOLLOWING PREFERRED BUT NOT REQUIRED CATEGORIES. ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER AND ONE PADRE ISLAND PROPERTY OWNER. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE TERRY BROWN AND MS. MUSE. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE TWO. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> City Secretary: NEXT WE HAVE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. THERE'S ONE VACANCY REPRESENTING THE PREFERRED BUT NOT REQUIRED CATEGORY OF REAL ESTATE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: MAYOR, I SUGGEST THAT WE TABLE THIS TO GET MORE APPLICATIONS. THERE'S ONLY TWO AND ONE OF THEM DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY KIND OF QUALIFICATIONS ON IT. AND SINCE THE PREFERRED CATEGORY IS REAL ESTATE, THERE WAS NOBODY THAT SUBMITTED THAT HAD ANY REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND FOR THAT BOARD. CONSIDERING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT A BUILDING GETS HISTORICAL IDENTIFICATION, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH REAL ESTATE EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD. I RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE IT FOR MORE APPLICATIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WOULD WE DO DIFFERENT TO TRY TO GAIN MORE TRACTION OR INTEREST? MS. HUERTA, BECAUSE SHE WOULD BE THE ONE REPOSTING, ET CETERA. >> City Secretary: THIS ONE, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF BOARD. BECAUSE OF WHAT IT DOES. IT WORKS WITH -- IT PROMOTES THE USE OF HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL LANDMARKS FOR THE CULTURE, PROSPERITY EDUCATION AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. IT'S A SPECIFIC SECT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF BOARD. WE CAN GO OUT AND CONTINUE TO DO SOME RECRUITMENT. WE SEND OUT RECRUITMENT ON LINKEDIN AND YOU CAN SEND OUT TO GROUPS ARCHITECTS HISTORIANS AND SEE IF WE CAN GAUGE INTEREST THERE. >> Hernandez: IN THIS CASE, I THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION TO SEE. >> City Secretary: YES. >> Hernandez: I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING, WITH REGARDS TO THIS. I WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS UPDATED WITH IT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD SET OF EYES AND GOOD POLICIES SURROUNDING THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE? >> Hernandez: I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FOR THE RECRUITMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. BEFORE WE GO THERE, I WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT PER COUNCIL REQUEST, WE'RE PULLING ITEM 21 FROM THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING, PROBABLY BACK THE 27th OF JANUARY. SO CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER -- WOULD ANY COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM 3 THROUGH 14 FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? NO. 5 AND NO. 6. ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON 3 THROUGH 14? >> 11. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU CAN COME UP. ITEM NO. 11 IS ONE-READING EMERGENCY ORDINANCE APPROVING THE 12th AMENDMENT TO THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, NOT TO EXCEED $2 MILLION TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE TIRZ NO. 3 FOR DEMOLITION OF THE PUBLICLY-OWNED BUILDINGS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. YES MA'AM. >> SO I HEARD THE DEBACLE THIS MORNING FROM -- >> City Secretary: STATE YOUR NAME. >> RACHEL CABALLERO. IT'S NEW YEAR. RACHEL CABALLERO, D1. I HEARD THE TRANSACTION WITH COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY THIS MORNING AND EXTORTION IS NOT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING BUSINESS. AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, THE TIRZ PROGRAM IS NOT MEANT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT BUT TO HELP IMPOVERISHED AREAS OR AREAS THAT HAVE NOT HAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, TO PUT MONEY BACK INTO THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAID ATTENTION TO. I MEAN, THE ENTIRE CITY COULD BE TIRZ, BUT HERE WE GO. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT PAY INTO TIRZ. THEY JUST ALLOW FOR A PORTION OF THEIR TAXES TO GO INTO TIRZ. BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT PAY IN TO TIRZ. NOW, WHEN ANY SMALL BUSINESS COMES HERE AND ASKS FOR ANY TYPE OF MONETARY COMPENSATION, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A PLAN. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FINANCIALS. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A SCHEDULE. AND AS OF THE TIRZ MEETING A LITTLE WHILE AGO, NONE OF THAT WAS AVAILABLE BY COMMISSIONER MIKE PUSLEY. ALSO, THIS $2 MILLION IS GOING TO BE TAKEN FROM LOCALLY-OWNED SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT IS COUNTING ON TIRZ MONEY TO REFURBISH THEIR BUILDINGS. SO WHEN A GOVERNMENT ENTITY GOES TO TAKE TAXES THAT THEY DID NOT PAY INTO, THEY ARE TAKING AWAY FROM LOCALLY-OWNED SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS NOT SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES IN CORPUS CHRISTI. IT'S ACTUALLY TAKING FROM THEM. IF THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE THIS MONEY FOR A PROJECT THAT THEY'VE KNOWN IS GOING TO EXIST FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, THEY SHOULD BUDGET FOR IT. WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF EXTORTION. WE NEED TO BE A CITY THAT DOES THE RIGHT THING, THAT LOOKS OUT FOR OUR LOCALLY-OWNED SMALL BUSINESSES. THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS CHANGING AND EXTORTION AND THREATS SHOULD NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE BY THIS COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THE FAB FIVE UNDERSTANDS THAT AND I HOPE THE OTHERS COME ON BOARD. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN -- DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: MR. ZANONI, WOULD YOU CLARIFY, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. I HATE THE WORD EXTORTION BECAUSE THAT'S STEALING. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO STEAL ANYTHING. AND WE ARE PARTNERS IN THIS. WOULD YOU CLARIFY THE DEMOLITION IS IN THERE? CAN THEY USE THE DEMOLITION FOR THAT MONEY? >> Zanoni: YEAH, THE TIRZ, BASED ON THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLANS, THE PROJECT PLANS OF THE EXISTING TIRZ, DEMOLITION HAS BEEN AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE. NORMALLY IT'S PARTNERED WITH A RECONSTRUCTION. SO THE ACTION TODAY ALLOWS JUST FOR DEMOLITION BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE TIRZ HAS BEEN USED FOR IN THE PAST. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: IT CAN BE A GOVERNMENT BUILDING, CORRECT. THOSE ARE ALL GUIDELINES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS PRIOR APPROVED BUT THEY'RE ALSO CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. >> Vaughn: I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE GET COMMENTS, WE NEED TO SAY STATEMENT OF FACT AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IS GOING ON. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE LAST PART OF THAT, FOR CLARIFICATION, ARLENE, DIDN'T THE LAW CHANGE WHERE IT IS NOT ONLY -- YOU'RE NOT ONLY ABLE TO UTILIZE OR CREATE A TIRZ FOR A DISADVANTAGED AREA? GO AHEAD. >> SO THE CREATION OF THE TIRZ, CHAPTER 311, IS NOT ONLY FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND HELPING EXISTING BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOES INCLUDE NEW DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY OF HUTTO BUILT A STATUE OF A HIPPOPOTAMUS AND WERE SUED. BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE SAID IT'S NOT HIS PLACE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IN SOME SENSE, THIS FACILITY OR THE OLD COURTHOUSE IS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS BLIGHTED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AND IT WOULD BE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE IT REMOVED . NOW, I USED THE WORD BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HARSH BUT THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE ANYMORE AND WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP OUR TOYS AND GO HOME IF YOU DON'T DO THIS FOR US, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE PROJECT ITSELF IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY'S POSITION. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MONEY AND NOT PARTICIPATING IN TIRZ WOULD INJECT SOME MONEY BACK INTO THEIR TAX BASE, NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT WOULD. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T HOLD THE REDEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN IN THE SEA DISTRICT UNDER THAT KIND OF COERCION, I GUESS IS ANOTHER WORD YOU COULD USE. WE COULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AS A PARTNERSHIP IN DOING THIS TOGETHER, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO HOME. THAT'S WHY I USED THOSE TERMS. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE PROJECT IS NECESSARY. IT'S BLIGHTED. WE NEED TO GET RID OF IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. >> Barrera: SO MOVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. I WILL ALSO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF ITEMS 5 AND 6. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NO. 5 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE B CORPORATION'S TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM PARKING LOT PROJECT TOTALING UP TO $2 MILLION FROM THE B CORPORATION FOR TSA PARKING LOT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN, DID YOU PULL THIS ONE? >> Vaughn: YES. THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN READING UP ON THIS THIS WEEKEND, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I UNDERSTAND THE RULES FOR TYPE B. SO TELL ME WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TYPE B FUNDS. IS IT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? >> YEAH. THIS PARTICULAR -- DAN McGINN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING WAS RELATED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE GROUP. THEY ALSO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOLLARS AND THE MONEY UTILIZED FOR STREETS AS WELL. >> Vaughn: OKAY. TELL ME HOW THIS PARKING LOT IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HOW DOES IT QUALIFY? >> THIS PROJECT WAS PRESENTED TO THE TYPE B BACK IN THE SUMMERTIME. AT THAT TIME THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE BRIDGE AND SO THEY HAD BOUGHT SOME PROPERTY. THIS WAS KIND OF TO REVITALIZE, THE WESTERN PORTION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING BRIDGE. IT WAS REALLY GOING TO HELP THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE PARKING DOWN AT THAT TIME. SINCE THE BRIDGE DEMOLITION WAS DELAYED, THEY DECIDED TO MOVE THOSE DOLLARS AND PUT IT IN THE PARKING LOT THAT'S UNDER THE BRIDGE, THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER THE BRIDGE. AND THAT BRIDGE GOES AWAY. THE PARKING LOT WAS DETERMINED TO MEET THE CRITERIA THAT IT WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE AQUARIUM AND THE VISITORS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN. AND THOSE VISITORS ARE SPENDING MONEY AT THE RESTAURANTS, THE BARS. MAYBE THEY'RE SPENDING THE REST OF THE DAY, HOPEFULLY. >> Vaughn: OKAY. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU ASK TO DETERMINE -- WHAT QUESTIONS DOES THE TYPE B BOARD ASK TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? TO ME, I SUPPORT THE AQUARIUM BUT TO ME THIS IS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT SHOULD BE HOT TAX >> Vaughn: CIP PROJECT, BUT TO ME, THAT'S -- WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE RULES. I'VE QUESTIONED SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'VE APPROVED THE BEFORE. DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE STATE COMPTROLLER LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE'RE USING THIS STUFF WISELY AND CORRECTLY? >> McGinn: THE THRESHOLD, AS MR. HERNANDEZ MENTIONED, THE HIPPO AT HUTTO AND I KNOW MR. CULBERTSON HAS BROUGHT THAT UP NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE DETERMINATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE BAR IS NOT THAT HIGH AS FAR AS MAKING -- YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL INTERPRETATION. >> Vaughn: WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED? WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS? >> McGinn: I DON'T KNOW. I MIGHT NEED SOME HELP FROM -- >> Zanoni: YEAH, THE REFERENDUM, MILES, THE VOTER'S GGUIDE FOR THIS. >> Risley: THE FINDINGS WERE MADE. IT IS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE TYPE B CORPORATION TO DETERMINE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF ASSISTANCE. THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO HAS THE DISCRETION, AND THIS ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF THE HUTTO HIPPO -- THE LEGISLATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE HUTTO HIPPO EPISODE REQUIRED CITY COUNCILS TO AUTHORIZE THE PROGRAMS OF THE TYPE B AND TYPE A CORPORATIONS. SO IT'S WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE EITHER THAT THE TYPE B CORPORATION IS PERMISSIBLE OR IMPERMISSIBLE. >> Vaughn: THAT IS SUCH A SALAD TALK TO ME, MILES. I LOVE YOU, BUT THAT'S SUCH A SALAD TALK. I DO NOT SEE HOW IN THE WORLD THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HOW Y'ALL CAN CONSIDER THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. LET'S SEE. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS HERE. IS THERE A SPECIFIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUTCOME? IS THERE A BUSINESS OR EMPLOYER DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN ARE WE CREATING JOBS IN ANY OF THESE THINGS. COULD THIS BE DONE BY BOND INSTEAD OR HOT TAXES. YES, IT COULD. TO ME, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. I KNOW WHEN I VOTED, THAT'S NOT WHAT I VOTED ON FOR THESE FUNDS. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY. I'M SURE IT WILL PASS BECAUSE IT ALWAYS DOES, BUT TO ME, THERE OUGHT TO BE HOT FUNDS USED FOR THAT. AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE AQUARIUM, I SUPPORT IT COMPLETELY. BUT TO ME, THERE'S FUNDS YOU CAN USE FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF INSTEAD OF CALLING IT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT. IT'S A PARKING LOT. IT'S A STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GETTING NOTHING FROM THIS. DOES ANYBODY IN HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? DO YOU -- ARE Y'ALL JUST OKAY WITH -- I MEAN, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, LIKE THE WATER GARDEN, THAT WASN'T ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO WHAT THE PLANS WERE. AND I THINK THAT THE TYPE B BOARD HAS KIND OF GONE ASTRAY ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, AND WHEN WE CAN USE THESE -- SOME OTHER FUNDS. I THINK WE SHOULD BE USING HOT FUNDS TO DO THE PARKING LOT. I WANT TO DO IT, BUT USE SOME OTHER FUNDS. OKAY. THAT'S MY SOAPBOX. THANKS. >> Mayor Pro Tem: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: OH, THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. OKAY. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS AS WELL BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PUSHING AND ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND SO $2 MILLION WOULD GO A LONG WAY, AND IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS IF WE CAN BUILD A PARKING LOT FOR $2 MILLION, WOULD SIDEWALKS THEN QUALIFY AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? UNDER THIS CRITERIA? I'M JUST ASKING, BECAUSE IF -- AND I LOVE THE AQUARIUM, I MEAN, I WAS JUST THERE YESTERDAY. THEY HAVE GREAT FOOD, GREAT VENUE, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO THEM. AND THEY'RE LIKE THE NBL ONE ATTRACTION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M ALSO TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, SO CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >> McGinn: WELL, THE -- I MEAN, THESE TYPE B REQUESTS, DO -- YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH OUR EDC, MIKE CULBERTSON AND HIS GROUP, YOU KNOW, THESE COME IN, THIS WASN'T -- YOU KNOW, THIS CAME IN DURING THE SUMMER, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL BACK IN THE SUMMERTIME. IT'S JUST MOVED LOCATIONS. BUT THE PROJECT WAS VETTED THROUGH THE APPLICATION, THEY DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST WAS VALID BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE AQUARIUM DOES AND THE VISITORS THAT COME IN. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD -- I IMAGINE WE COULD PROCESS A REQUEST FOR SIDEWALK, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD SCORE VERY WELL IN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RETURN, BUT I DON'T -- IS IT ELIGIBLE? I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MILES IF THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LEGAL... >> Risley: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS PREVIOUSLY OPINED THAT A STREET WITHIN A SUBDIVISION WAS NOT THE TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PER MISSBLY FUNDED BY A TYPE A. BUT -- SO WE WOULD NEED TO EXAMINE THAT IN MORE DETAIL, DEPENDING ON -- >> Campos: SO IT IS POSSIBLE, IS THAT YOUR ANSWER? BECAUSE WE CAN'T TELL WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAYING, MILES. I MEAN, SPEAK DIRECTLY. IS IT POSSIBLE OR NOT? >> Risley: IT DEPENDS. I'M SAYING THAT ANOTHER ATTORNEY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HAS OPINED THAT A SIMILAR PROJECT SIMILAR TO THE -- TO A SIDEWALK, I.E. A STREET, WITHIN A SUBDIVISION WAS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEREFORE, THAT WOULD -- SO A SIDEWALK ESSENTIALLY WAS DETERMINED NOT TO BE. SO YOU WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL FACTS IN ORDER TO FIND THAT A PARTICULAR SWUK WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> Campos: BUT A PARKING LOT DOES QUALIFY? >> Zanoni: A PARKING LOT FOR THIS AQUARIUM, NOT JUST ANY PARKING LOT. SO THE JUSTIFICATION IS THIS -- WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION HERE, AND MIKE CULBERTSON SCORES THESE AND DETERMINES ECONOMIC VALUE AND IMPACT, BUT THIS IS -- THIS WILL CREATE SPACE FOR MORE VISITORS AT THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM, WHICH COULD RESULT IN MORE EMPLOYMENT, COULD RESULT IN MORE SALES TAX REVENUE FROM SALES AT THE AQUARIUM, COULD HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT WITH MORE PEOPLE SPENDING TIME ON NORTH BEACH, AT THE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE THERE, SO THAT'S HOW IT QUALIFIES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> Campos: BUT PETER, THE SAME ARGUMENT COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTS GETTING TO THEIR JOBS, GETTING TO WHEREVER TO SPEND MORE MONEY, BECAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY WALK ON THE SIDEWALK. SO, YEAH, I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE'RE NOT -- >> Campos: OKAY. >> Zanoni: I'M NOT SAYING YOUR SIDEWALK PROJECT IS INELIGIBLE, I'M JUST STATING HOW THIS ONE WAS DETERMINED OR DEEMED TO BE. WE CAN DO MORE WORK ON THE SIDEWALK QUESTION. THAT'S NOT THIS ITEM. THIS ITEM IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM. WE CAN DO THAT ANALYSIS FOR YOU YES MA'AM. >> Campos: OKAY. WELL, AGAIN -- YOU KNOW, ME, TOO, I AM CONFLICTED, ONLY BECAUSE WHAT THE -- WHAT THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY IS. BUT I'LL -- I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE TO SAY. THANKS. COUNCILMEM BER CANTU? >> Cantu: AS WELL, I LOVE THE STATE AQUARIUM, I WENT THERE SUNDAY, SPENT LIKE 200 BUCKS, HAD A GOOD TIME. HOWEVER, I DO GET WHAT THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT. I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS TYPE B FUNDS, WHY ARE WE WASTING MONEY ON PARKING LOTS AND OTHER STUFF LIKE THE COURTHOUSE AND WHATEVER THE CASE IS. IT SHOULD GO TO SMALL BUSINESSES. THEY NEED THE HELP. THEY REALLY DO. DID THE STATE AQUARIUM GET -- PAY FOR THE LAND OR DID THE STATE GIVE THEM THE LAND? >> Zanoni: THE PRESIDENT'S HERE, SO CAN YOU COME UP -- YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY PAID FOR IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK. JESSE GILBERT. >> JESSE GILBERT, TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT HAPPENED IN THE SUMMER, THAT LAND WE DID PURCHASE WHICH IS THE OLD GO CART TRACK AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT. THE PLAN WAS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING AS THE HARBOR BRIDGE WENT ALONG AND WE LOST THE PARKING, WHICH STARTED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. NOW WE'RE SHIFTING THAT BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE CHANGE OF THE CURRENT PARKING LOT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE PARKED IN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. THAT WILL CREATE MORE SPACE, WE ANTICIPATE SOME SIGNIFICANT GROWTH ON THE ATTRACTION SIDE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE SIDE, BUT THE LAND THAT THE CURRENT PARKING LOT THAT THIS FUNDING'S REQUESTED FOR IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE PORT -- WELL, RIGHT NOW STATE, BUT IT WILL GO BACK TO THE PORT, AND THEN WE HAVE THAT USE AGREEMENT. SO MOST OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE AQUARIUM SITS ON IS EITHER CITY OR PORT PROPERTY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT. >> Cantu: GOT YOU. I SEEN THE PLANS, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN NORTH BEACH. IT NEEDS A GOOD FACE LIFT. >> IT DOES. >> Cantu: SO I APPRECIATE THAT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE ALL THIS TYPE B FUNDS TO HOTELIERS AND AQUARIUMS AND COURTHOUSES THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN YEARS AGO, BUT SOMEBODY WANTED TO KEEP IT. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE GIVE MONEY TO HOTELIERS, WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO THE COURTHOUSE, GIVE MONEY TO YOU, IT'S A FAIR THING TO DO UNTIL WE FIX THE PROBLEM. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THEM, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST -- LIKE JUST YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, THEY KILLED A $1.8 MILLION PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN FOR A SPORTS COMPLEX AND THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT ISSUE TODAY, AND THEY KILLED IT YESTERDAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE. BUT -- OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. >> Mayor Pro Tem: BOARD MEMBER BARRERA? BOARD MEMBER SCOTT? >> Scott: MIGHT AS WELL STAY, JESSE. >> OKAY. >> Scott: YOU WEREN'T HEAR EARLIER -- COUNCILMEM BER? >> Scott: THAT'S OKAY. I'VE BEEN CALLED A LOT OF THINGS. SO FAR ALL OF THEM ARE GOOD TODAY. YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR OUR TIRZ, THE REASON I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND I BELIEVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I THINK THIS IS PART TO GET YOU TO DEVELOP THAT PLAN. THAT WAS MY CRITICISM OF THE COURTHOUSE WAS THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE A DOLLAR, I WANT TO VOTE TO GIVE A TAXPAYER DOLLAR TO HELP PROJECTS THAT DEVELOP PLANS THAT CREATE NEW ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE AREA. CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GENERALLY TALK THROUGH THE GRAND PLAN AT THE PORT? >> I CAN, YES. SO -- >> Scott: PORT. SORRY, THE AQUARIUM. >> I CAN, YES. LATE OCTOBER WE RELEASED THE PLAN TO BASICALLY REVITALIZE THE SOUTH END OF THE NORTH BEACH PENINSULA. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AHEAD, A LOT OF FUNDING, A LOT OF HURDLES, BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT. THE EXPANSION OF THE AQUARIUM PROPERTY NORTH OF OUR CURRENT CAMPUS REALLY IS AROUND THE WILDLIFE AND RESCUE SIDE, THE RESEARCH SIDE AND PARTNERING WITH DIFFERENT STATE FEDERAL AGENCIES, HIGHER EDUCATION AS WELL AS JUST CAN WE CREATE A ZONE FOR FAMILY TOURISM OBNORTH BEACH. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PLAN. LATER THIS YEAR, PROBABLY SOME TIME IN MAY, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A BRAND-NEW CHILDREN'S DISCOVERY CENTER THAT WE THINK WILL INCREASE ATTENDANCE SIGNIFICANTLY, WE'RE BRINGING MANATEES TO THE AQUARIUM. OUR DATA SUGGESTS WE COULD SEE A 20% INCREASE IN VISITATION, GOING FROM A 500,000 VISITOR FACILITY MAYBE UP TO 600,000. SO THIS PARKING LOT ENHANCEMENT INCREASES SPACES TO KIND OF HOLD THAT. WE RUN OUT OF PARKING TODAY -- OR I SHOULD SAY IN THE SUMMER. IF YOU COME TO NORTH BEACH IN JULY ON THE WEEKEND, WE'RE OUT OF PARKING, THE STREETS ARE CLOGGED, AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DOING IS NOT ONLY REDEVELOPING 60 ACRES OF THE SOUTH END OF THE PENINSULA, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT ON. OUR BOARD HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF IT, AND WE'VE GOT TO GET NORTH BEACH BACK TO WHERE IT'S A SHINING JEWEL. >> Scott: RIGHT. I WISH YOU BEST OF LUCK. LOVE THE PLAN, GLAD TO SUPPORT IT. COUNCILMEM BER PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. IS ARLENE STILL HERE, BY CHANCE? MA DRAN NO? >> Zanoni: LET ME GO LOOK. >> Paxson: COULD I ACTUALLY ASK -- I SEE WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION FROM THE AQUARIUM HERE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COUNT OF, LIKE A VISITOR COUNT FROM OUT OF TOWN? I'M SURE YOU DO. >> OH, YEAH, YEAH. I WOULD SAY, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR, 70 TO 75% OF OUR GUESTS ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN. >> Paxson: DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN ACT QUAL NUMBER TO QUANTIFY? BECAUSE -- >> QUICK MATH WOULD BE -- WE ENDED 2025 AT 500,000, SO I WOULD SAY THE BETTER PART OF 400. >> Paxson: AND THOSE ARE IT'S VISITORS THAT ARE UNIQUE -- THEY'RE NOT FROM THIS AREA, THEY COME HERE FOR THIS AMENITY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Paxson: SO TO ME, I SEE COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN'S CONCERN, OF COURSE, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO -- I -- I REALLY DO VALUE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO KEEP US ON THAT MAP. I MEAN, THE TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM, WE ARE THE HOME TO THE STATE AQUARIUM. YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO VAL VE STON AND SEE -- GALVESTON, CAN'T GO TO HOUSTON AND SEE THE AQUARIUM, YOU GO TO CORPUS CHRISTI. IF THEY'RE COMING TO SEE THE AQUARIUM, THEY'RE GOING TO EAT HERE, PROBABLY GOING TO STAY HERE, PROBABLY GOING TO SPEND OTHER TAX DOLLARS IN OUR DISTRICT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY -- MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE 2 MILLION FOR A PARKING LOT DOES SEEM KIND OF HIGH. THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, I KNOW -- I KNOW THAT THIS STUFF -- AND COSTS TODAY IS ASTRONOMICAL, BUT WE HAVE HAD TO BE INCREDIBLY ALERT AND ATTENTIVE TO THESE COSTS. SO IS THAT A BALLPARK ESTIMATE? IS THAT SOMETHING -- >> IT'S DEFINITELY HIGHER. SO OUR ANTICIPATION, WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH THE BRIDGE CONTRACTORS NOW TO SEE IF WE CAN USE THEIR PAVING ORGANIZATION, THE COMPANY THAT THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH, TO DECREASE MOBILIZATION FEES. SO I FEEL WE'LL COME IN WELL UNDER THE 2 MILLION. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST AS THINGS HAVE EVOLVED, BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE'LL BE WELL UNDER 2 MILLION. >> Paxson: SO YOUR REQUEST WOULD BE UP TO THE 2 MILLION. IT COULD BE LOWER. >> I BELIEVING IT WILL BE. THERE'S A CONTINGENCY LINE IN THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING SOME VERY FAVORABLE QUOTES IN RIGHT NOW. IF WE CAN GET IN ON SOME OF THE PAVING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE NORTH BEACH ROADS, WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE ALREADY MOBILIZED, THE EQUIPMENT'S HERE, SO WE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH THEM RIGHT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. >> Paxson: GOT YOU. AND WHEN WOULD THE PROJECT START ROUGHLY? >> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE CONCLUSION OF DEMOLITION OF THE CURRENT BRIDGE. SO WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED RIGHT NOW THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE PARKING FOR SPRING BREAK. THAT'S 70,000 VISITORS. >> Paxson: YEAH. >> SO THERE'S A REAL PINCH RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO GET THIS GOING. >> Paxson: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I TRULY HOPE. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP NAVIGATE THOSE TIMELINES, PLEASE LET US KNOW. BECAUSE I KNOW THESE TOURISTS PEAKS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. >> THEY'RE PEAKS. AND SPEAKING ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, THE AQUARIUM'S ECONOMIC IMPACT IN FY '24 WAS ABOUT 200 MILLION. WE'LL PROBABLY RELEASE THE STUDY FOR '25 IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, I'D SAY. COUNCILMEM BER HERNANDEZ? >> >> Barrera: I THOUGHT I WAS NEXT. >> Mayor Pro Tem: I'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER BARRERA? >> Barrera: YOU KNOW, FIRST OFF, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ECHOED THIS MORNING WAS WHAT'S THE PROJECT -- WHAT'S THE UPCOMING PROJECT? AND I THINK IF YOU CLARIFIED, SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE PHASES OF RESCUE, RESEARCH AND OTHER FACILITY. WHAT SORT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS DO YOU -- ARE YOU GOING TO INVEST IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? >> OH, I MEAN, LAND ALONE, WE'VE INVESTED NORTH OF 2 MILLION JUST IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS. IN FACT, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. WHEN THIS PROJECT'S SAID AND DONE, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 100 MILLION, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, SO PUSH THAT OUT FIVE, 10 YEARS. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED TODAY. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FULL REVITALIZATION PIECE. WE'RE GOING UNDER CONTRACT WITH A MASTER CONTRACTOR RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT THE BEST USE IS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE HUNDREDS. >> Barrera: THAT'S ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO STRESS. IT'S NOT JUST A PARKING LOT, IT'S A COMPONENT BASICALLY OF THIS GREAT MASTER PLAN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE MASTER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ONCE AGAIN IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF NO NORTH BEACH, IN ADDITION TO THE PHASED APPROACH IN THE CANAL. PETER, HOW MUCH IS IT WE'VE PUT INTO THE CANAL SO FAR? >> Zanoni: I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE 25 MILLION. >> Barrera: SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT TO COMPLIMENT THAT. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I SPOKE OF. WE JUST NEED TO WORK ON THIS HOLISTICALLY SO THAT WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT OVERALL. IT'S NOT -- AND DARE I SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND CONDESCENDING, IT'S NOT JUST A PARKING LOT, IT'S BASICALLY PART OF THIS $100 MILLION FACILITY THAT WE JUST NEED TO PLAN AHEAD SO THAT WAY WE GET TO A POINT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE -- BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND NOW IS THERE, THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE 4 MILLION. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT, AND I THINK -- I THINK MAYBE WHEN WE PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER, IT COMES OFF AS JUST A PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT. IT'S PART OF A GRAND PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY, JESSE, SINCE YOU AND THE TEAM THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER, THAT YOU'VE COME HERE, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST BEEN SO MUCH ADDITIONAL EXFAN SHUN, I THINK, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE. THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION, A LOT OF CHANGES MADE. IT'S JUST A GREAT FACILITY, AND I'M GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT. >> THANK YOU. NO, WE'RE BLESSED TO BE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S SUPPORTIVE. >> Barrera: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEM BER HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. I WANT TO GIVE SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO US ORIGINALLY UNDER A BOND PROJECT WHICH WAS INAPPROPRIATE -- [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Hernandez: SO WE SAID WE NEEDED TO REFER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM LIKE THE TIRZ OR A TYPE B. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: THE AQUARIUM WAS ACTUALLY BUILT THROUGH A TIRZ ORIGINALLY. >> THAT I DIDN'T KNOW OF. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: IT WAS TIRZ NUMBER 1. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE AQUARIUM AS A WHOLE. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION FOR THIS PARKING LOT UNDER THE TIRZ, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SO IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT -- SO I HAD TO QUESTION HERE, BECAUSE I NEVER ASKED THIS BEFORE. ARE YOU -- DO YOU -- IS YOUR PROPERTY TAXABLE? >> NO, IT'S NOT. >> Hernandez: DO YOU PAY PROPERTY TAXES? >> NO. >> Hernandez: SO HERE'S THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT, FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS IS THAT WE IMPROVE SOMETHING AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE ON INCREASED AD VALOREM TAXES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SO -- HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE -- YOU ARE IMPROVING NORTH BEACH AS A WHOLE FROM THE BLIGHT THAT'S THERE. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING KIND OF NORTH OF, I GUESS -- EAST OF WHERE YOU'RE AT IS NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. >> I WOULD AGREE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO I THINK THIS IS ULTIMATELY GOES BACK TO THE ARGUMENT WITH THE HUTTO HIPPO, WHAT IS ACTUALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> SURE. >> Hernandez: YOU ARE A BENEFICIARY OF A TIRZ ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN SOME SENSE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN IT UNLESS YOU LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE PICTURE, UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE TO IT, UNDERSTAND THAT WE REJECTED THE BOND PACKAGE, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT TAXPAYER INVESTMENT INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WASN'T THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM. THIS IS THE -- WHAT ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT. NOW, THERE'S ALWAYS KIND OF A GRAY AREA WITH WHAT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE -- WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE COURTHOUSE. IT'S A -- YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY INTEND TO SELL AND BENEFIT THE COUNTY, IS THAT REALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA, WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL. I THINK THE AQUARIUM IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR LANDSCAPE AS THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IS THIS THE RIGHT MECHANISM? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. BUT ULTIMATELY WE NEED -- YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE -- YOU KNOW, THE TOURISM ASPECT THAT YOU BRING TO US. I THINK YOU SERVE AN IMPORTANT PURPOSE, YOU'RE EXPANDING, OCEAN WILDLIFE INSTITUTE, RIGHT? >> YEP. >> Hernandez: SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DO WE MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS. >> YES, AND TO SPEAK ON THAT, IF I MAY, COMEAB COUNCILMEMBER HERNANDEZ, WE ASK THE SAME QUESTION. WHEN WE TAKE PROPERTY, IT COMES OFF THE PROPERTY TAX ROLLS, THAT'S VERY TRUE. SO WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE 60-ACRE DEVELOPMENT AND THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, THAT'S TRUE WHEN WE USE THAT LAND FOR MISSION-BAIPSED OPERATIONS. SO IF WE ACQUIRE LAND AND BUILD A WILDLIFE DISASTER TRAINING CENTER, THEN THAT IS TRUE. IF WE ACQUIRE THAT LAND AND WE STILL OWN IT AND SUBLEASE THAT TO SOME OTHER TOURISM ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT RELATED TO WILDLIFE, THEN THAT DOES GO BACK ON THE TAX ROLL. THE PLAN IS TO GET SOME OF THAT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. >> Hernandez: HOW MUCH IN SALES TAX DO YOU GENERATE? >> WE HAVE THE DATA. I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFFHAND. >> Hernandez: WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU HAVE -- YOU SAID YOU HAD 500,000 VISITORS? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: SO THERE'S SOME GENERATION OF SALES TAX ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >> THERE IS. WE HAVE THE DATA, I JUST DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> Hernandez: IS THE AQUARIUM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, I THINK THE ANSWER'S YES. >> YES. >> Hernandez: I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: DID Y'ALL TRY AND LOOK FOR GRANTS OR STATE FUNDING OR ANYTHING? >> YEAH, THIS ONE'S BEEN CUMBERSOME BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THIS DAY WAS COMING WITH THE HARBOR BRIDGE DEMOLITION. AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE LOT TODAY, SO LITERALLY A BIG GRID CAME OFF LAST NIGHT. HEAVY EQUIPMENT HAS TORN UP THE LOT. SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR -- I MEAN, SINCE WE KNEW THIS PROJECT WAS IN DEVELOPMENT OF HOW WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE LOT POST HARBOR BRIDGE DEMOLITION AND THERE REALLY HASN'T -- THERE'S JUST NOT -- FOR A PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S NOT THERE. >> Vaughn: AND I SHARE THE PASSION, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES FOR THE AQUARIUM. I MOVE ILL. LOVE IT. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO FUND IT. I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG FUNDING. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE COURTHOUSE IS THE VOTERS VO VOTED FOR THIS. TYPE B FUNDS WERE VOTED BY THE VOTERS FOR BUSINESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. TO ME A PARKING LOT DOESN'T REACH THAT STANDARD AND STRETCHING THE DEFINITION PUTS VOTING INTEGRITY AT RISK. I THINK IT BLURS THE LINE BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GENERAL SPENDING. IF WE WANT TO FUND TOURISM, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, WE SHOULD DO IT TRANSPARENTLY THROUGH THE RIGHT FUNDING TOOL, NOT BY REDEFINING WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS AFTER THE FACT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID. I WHICH THEY DID A CIP, THEY DID HOT FUNDING, SOMETHING ELSE. I'M ONLY GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS -- I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT THIS IS FOR THIS TYPE B BOARD. AND WE'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO THE GUIDELINES AND DO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, AND TO ME, THE INTEGRITY OF THE VOTERS EXPECTED US TO DO IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPORTING RIGHT NOW IS THE VOTERS, WHAT THEY VOTED FOR. BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET THE FUNDING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. DID YOU MEET WITH ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND SHOWED THEM THE PLANS. >> WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY. I THINK WE'RE STILL WAITING ON TWO. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> BUT WE'VE SHOWN THE PLANS. I WILL LET YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO E-MAIL ALL OF YOU THIS WEEK. WE ARE HOSTING THE NORTH BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN APRIL AND WE ARE GOING TO BRING THE ENTIRE NORTH BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEIR THAT, YOU ALL WILL BE INVITED TO THAT AS WELL. >> Cantu: OKAY. AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE NOT ON THE TAX ROLLS, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, WE'RE NOT. >> Cantu: ALL THE PROPERTY YOU GUYS OWN ARE NOT ON THE TAX ROLLS? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE CAMPUS THAT WE SIT ON, WE OWN VERY LITTLE OF IT. MOST OF IT IS CORPUS CHRISTI AND PORT LAND. >> Cantu: IS THERE ANOTHER FUND WE COULD TAKE THIS MONEY FROM, PETER, FOR -- >> Zanoni: WE COULD CANCEL SOMETHING AND REDIRECT IT. SO AS COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ REMINDED US, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDED PROJECT ON THE BOND PROGRAM UNDER -- I'M NOT SURE OF WHAT CATEGORY WE HAD IT UNDER, BUT THE COUNCIL SAID, CAN WE MOVE THAT OFF BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO WE LOOKED FOR ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCES AND THE TYPE B ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING WAS THE ONE WE REMEM RECOMMENDED. >> Cantu: I'M JUST SAYING FROM HOTELIERS TO COURTHOUSES TO STATE AQUARIUM, WHAT ABOUT SOME KENNELS? CAN WE USE THIS MONEY FOR SOME KENNELS? I MEAN, JESUS. YOU KNOW LIKE -- >> Campos: IS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> Cantu: IT IS. CAN YOU GUYS BUILD US SOME KENNELS? >> WE DON'T DO DOMESTICS. >> Cantu: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST BLOWS MY MIND, BUT -- OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N ROY? >> Roy: THIS IS REALLY DIRECTED TO PETER. PETER, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED IN THE PAST, WHEN WE HAVE THESE ITEMS THAT COME FORWARD THAT THE TYPE B BOARD'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, LIKE SOME OF THE HOTEL PROJECTS IN THE PAST, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MEMBER HERE EITHER FROM THE TYPE B OR FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED IN TERMS OF CLARIFICATION AND MAKING SURE HOW IT FITS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T -- WE CAN ONLY ASSUME WHAT WAS IN THEIR MINDSET AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND IT COMES UP, I THINK IN THE FUTURE, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS AGAIN. I'VE ASKED THIS IN THE PAST -- >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> Roy: -- THAT WE HAVE THEM HERE AS REPRESENTATION. I THINK WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED ISSUES IN THE PAST IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD THAT. >> Zanoni: GOOD REMINDER. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE A, OR B, WHETHER IT'S THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR, SOMEBODY. >> Roy: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND PETER, I WOULD ADD THAT MAYBE WE DO A WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING SO WE UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT IS ELIGIBLE, WHAT ISN'T, WHAT DO WE CALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IF ONE THING IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT -- BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GOOD PERSPECTIVES. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW -- OR UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT -- YOU KNOW, HOW IS TYPE B SEEING IT? THEY KIND OF LIVE IN THAT WORLD WHERE TO COUNCILMAN ROY'S POINT, WE GET THESE PROJECTS BEFORE US AND IT'S A PRESENTATION. AND THEN THAT'S IT. WE NEED A LITTLE ONE-ON-ONE, AGAIN, MAYBE ON TYPE B. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. SO BACK TO -- YEAH, TYPE B, SO ONCE TYPE B APPROVES THIS PROJECT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK AND REVERSE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> Zanoni: MILES WILL ANSWER. GO AHEAD, MILES. >> Risley: NO. NO, ACTUALLY, AS I EXPLAINED, ONE OF THE REFORMS -- THE STATE LAW REFORMS AFTER THE HUTTO HIPPO DEBACLES IS THAT -- IS THAT CITY COUNCILS THAT CREATE A OR B CORPORATIONS MUST APPROVE ALL EXPENDITURES AND PROGRAMS OF THOSE A AND B CORPORATIONS. SO IT IS COMPLETELY WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION TO SAY NO. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE THAT THIS IS NOT -- THAT THIS IS NOT A TYPE B EXPENDITURE THAT SHOULD BE MADE. AND WHEN I SAY "SHOULD BE MADE" I DON'T MEAN ELIGIBLE, I MEAN, Y'ALL CAN JUST DECIDE THAT THE EXPENDITURE SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE MADE AND YOU CAN DECIDE NOT TO APPROVE IT. IT IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. >> Campos: OKAY. SO WE CAN'T -- LET'S SAY -- SO WE CAN OVERRULE IT AND VOTE AGAINST IT? NOT OVERRULE, BUT JUST VOTE AGAINST IT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHEN IT -- WHEN A TYPE B MAKES A -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING -- I JUST WANT IT -- YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TYPE B -- BY THE TIME IT COMES TO US, WHAT IS ELIGIBLE AS A PROJECT OR NOT. SO, AGAIN -- AT THE END OF THE DAY, I -- YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I WANT SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE, FOR ONE THING, THE HARBOR BRIDGE -- YOU KNOW, Y'ALL -- I MEAN, THE CARS USED TO PARK THERE RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND I ALSO SEE THAT EVERY TIME THAT SOMEBODY DOES PARK AT THE AQUARIUM, YOU ALL ACTUALLY CHARGE. >> SURE. >> Campos: YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S $7, BUT THANK GOODNESS Y'ALL GAVE ME A COIN AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO YESTERDAY, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN WHAT THE AQUARIUM AND THEIR FUTURE IS DOING JUST FOR -- YOU KNOW, FOR OUR WHOLE STATE. AND SO I -- YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. LIKE WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS DO ACTUALLY QUALIFY IN THE TYPE B BOARD. SO I -- OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AND THE LONG VERSION IS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP, IN ANOTHER WAY. SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'LL BE VOTING YES. COUNCILWO MAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION: IF THIS IS TO BE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTNERSHIP, DO YOU GUYS CHARGE FOR THAT PARKING LOT? >> WE DO. SEVEN DOLLARS A CAR. >> Paxson: SEVEN DOLLARS A CAR. A >> AND THAT'S A JOINT PROGRAM BETWEEN THE AQUARIUM AND THE U.S.S. LEXINGTON. WE MANAGE ALL THE SURFACE STREET PARKING ON NORTH BEACH. THERE ARE SOME FIELDS AND PEOPLE ARE PARKING THERE, BUT IF IT'S A SURFACED PARKING LOT, IT'S MANAGED JOINTLY BETWEEN THE U.S.S. LEXINGTON AND THE AQUARIUM. >> Paxson: LISTENING TO SOME SENTIMENT HERE WHICH IS NOT THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE PROJECT, IT'S MORE THINKING ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE CONSISTENTLY HAVE TO SAY NO THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT -- >> SURE. >> Paxson: -- DO WE HAVE ANYTHING OR DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY, LIKE OUR LOCAL CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, IF WE PARTNER ON BUILDING A PAVED PARKING LOT, MAYBE OUR LOCAL CITIZENS HAVE SOME KIND OF BREAK OR SOME KIND OF ACCESS -- >> THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT RUNS IN THE OFFSEASON, IT'S ACTUALLY RUNNING RIGHT NOW, WHERE LOCALS CAN GET IN FOR A DISCOUNTED ADMISSION. THERE'S DETAILS OF THAT ON THE WEBSITE. WE MAKE SURE -- NOT IN THE SUMMER SEASON, WHEN WE'RE AT CAPACITY, BUT, YEAH, THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT RUNS RIGHT NOW. I SAW 40% OF OUR MAKEUP IN JANUARY ATTENDANCE WAS FROM THAT PROGRAM AND MEMBERSHIP. SO IT'S UTILIZED. >> Paxson: PERFECT. THANK YOU. MAYBE THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. WE'LL PUT TOGETHER WITH THIS TYPE OF THING. >> SURE. UH-HUH. >> Paxson: AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN BROUGHT UP THE THOUGHT OF UTILIZING HOT TAX FUNDS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Paxson: WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE IF THAT WAS TO BE A REQUEST? I KNOW IN OTHER CITIES THEY SOMETIMES DO IT -- COMPLETE APPLICATION, A PUBLIC APPLICATION FOR THAT. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE HERE? >> Zanoni: RIGHT. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE HOT FUND BUDGET, IT'S COMPLETED ALLOCATED TO MOSTLY THE HILLIARD CENTER. AND THEN WE FUND SOME HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND VISITOR AND TOURISM THING -- PROGRAM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO -- WE WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE FUNDING IN ONE OF THOSE ALREADY FUNDED AREAS TO REALLOCATE IT TO THE PARKING LOT, SO WE COULD -- AS AN EXAMPLE, ONE THAT I'M CONFIDENT IN SAYING INSTEAD OF INVESTING IN NEW KITCHEN EQUIPMENT OR IMPROVING THE AMERICAN -- EXCUSE ME, THE HILLIARD CENTER, WE WOULD FOREGO THAT FOR A YEAR AND DO THE PARKING LOT. >> Paxson: DOES ALL THAT GO THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT? >> Zanoni: YES, IT WOULD. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N BARRERA? >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST ONE OTHER THAN THING THAT COULD BE FOR EITHER YOU OR PETER. THERE'S THIS TALK OF HELPING SMALL BUSINESS. I'M SURE THERE WAS SOME ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT WAS DONE THAT HELPED THE SMALL BUSINESSES ON NORTH BEACH. >> WE HAVE THE DATA, WE GEOFENCE WITH DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES, VISITORS COME TO THE AQUARIUM, WE PREFER THEY EACH SOMEWHERE ON NORTH BEACH. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND A LOT OF OUR VISITORS STAY ON THE HOTELS ON NORTH BEACH, SURE. >> Barrera: JUST IN YOUR RECEIPTS, IT'S $20 MILLION ALONE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Barrera: THAT'S THE THING I'M SAYING. IT'S NOT THE ONLY PLACE TO EAT. THERE'S HOTELS OUT THERE, THERE'S OTHER FACILITIES AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT COME DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, I THINK IT DOES QUALIFY FOR ECONOMIC IMPACT JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THE FACILITY IN ITSELF, IF -- IF YOU RUN A RESTAURANT EITHER FOR SOUVENIRS -- I MEAN, A PLACE FOR SOUVENIRS OR A RESTAURANT OR SOME TYPE OF FACILITY OR RUN JET SKIS ON NORTH BEACH, IT JUST ADDS TO THE EXPERIENCE. I THINK THAT'S ONE THING -- I WANT TO SAY THERE IS A SMALL BUSINESS IMPACT. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5. TECHNICAL LY YOU ASKED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF CONSENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE VOTE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WE DID. I ASKED FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OVER ANY -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M SORRY, MA'AM. YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. >> City Secretary: SO THE MAYOR AT THE BEGINNING OF HER COMMENTS SHE ASKED IF ANY OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS WANT TO PULL AN ITEM OR IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY OF THE ITEMS. SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S HANDLED AS A GROUP AT THE BEGINNING. >> [OFF MIC] MRS. CABA LLERO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON IT, WE'RE HAPPY, IF YOU'LL COME AROUND AND MRS. HUERTA CAN ADDRESS THEM WHEN SHE'S ABLE TO. OKAY? NOW -- THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. AND THE LAST ITEM PULLED IS ITEM 6, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS, DESIGNATING A CONTIGUOUS GEOGRAPHIC AREA WITHIN THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTIONAL LIMITS OF THE CITY AS A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN, I BELIEVE YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT? >> Vaughn: I'M JUST WONDERING WHY ARE WE DOING IT FOR 25 YEARS? WHY NOT 20? WHY 25 YEARS? >> McGinn: DANIEL McGINN, INTERIM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THE 25 YEARS, I THINK, WAS REQUEST -- SOME OF THE BOND THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY, LIKELY THE -- THIS TIRZ WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT IT'S GOING TO ASSIST THE PID ASSESSMENT OF SOME OF THESE SUBZONES THAT ARE CREATED. I THINK THE 25 YEARS PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN PAYING TOW DOWN THAT BOND. >> Vaughn: YEAH, IT'S A LONG TIME TIRZ AND WE'VE GOT TIRZ SITTING THERE LIKE THE BREEZY VILLAGE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I'M FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Barrera: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> Barrera: IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I KNOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HERE, I'LL LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 15, 16, 17 AND 18. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THESE ARE ALL REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENTS -- >> I SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. SO ITEM 15 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING WATER ARTERIAL TRANSMISSION AND GRID REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT UP TO $252,720 WITH MPM DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO KINGSLANDING UNIT 12 SUBDIVISION. ITEM 16 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A WATER ARTERIAL TRANSMISSION AND GRID MAIN CONSTRUCTION AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT UP TO $62,040 WITH MPM DEVELOPMENT, LP, ITEM SPHEEB IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A WATER ARTERIAL TRANSMISSION AND GRID MAIN CONSTRUCTION AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT UP TO $3,180,460 WITH MPM DEVELOPMENT, LP, FOR A PROPOSED PHASE 2 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED OFF OF YORKTOWN BOULEVARD SOUTHEAST OF STARRY RODE, ALSO KNOWN AS OH, SOW CREEK CORNER, UNIT 3, AND ITEM NUMBER 18 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AWAYS WATER CONSTRUCTION LINE AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT UP TO $227,100 WITH MPM DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED PHASE 2 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED OFF YORKTOWN BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF STARRY RODE, ALSO KNOWN AS OSO CREEK CORNER UNIT 3. >> Zanoni: AND MAYOR, JUST ON THE CAPTIONS FOR THE RECORD, ON ITEM 17, THERE'S AN ERROR, ONLY IN THIS CAPTION. EVERYTHING ELSE, THE ORDINANCE AND THE MEMO'S ALL CORRECT. SO THE NUMBER 252720, 250,720 ON THE BOTTOM OF THE CAPTION, SHOULD BE 3,180,460. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT SHOULD MATCH. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT HERE ON RECORD. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ACCURATE, THE ORDINANCE, THE MEMO'S, THIS IS JUST ONE ISOLATED INCIDENT OF A TYPO. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. SO THAT CORRECTION IS TAKEN. WOULD ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC -- I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 15, 16, 17 AND 18. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE MCCOMMENT ON THESE ITEMS? OKAY. THERE BEING NO ONE WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL ENTERTAIN -- I'M SORRY VE ARE A MOTION FOR ITEMS 15, 16, 17 AND 18 AND WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES, NEXT WE GO TO SECTION L WHICH IS INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS, ITEMS 19 THROUGH 26. ITEM 19 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PROVISION AND SELL OF RECYCLED WATER TO VALERO REFINING - TEXAS, L.P. >> Barrera: MAYOR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED, MRS. CAMPOS. >> Campos: WELL, I WANTED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. INSTEAD OF BEING A 25-YEAR AGREEMENT, THAT WE REDUCE IT TO FIVE YEARS ON THE RECYCLED WATER. I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR THE RECYCLED WATER, BUT -- THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION IS THAT AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, VALERO IS INVESTING IN OUR -- IN THIS PROJECT, I ALSO WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE ALSO STILL CONTESTING THEIR WATER RATES WITH THE CITY, SO, YOU KNOW, I WISH THEY WOULD RECONSIDER THAT, BUT, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT, REDUCE IT TO FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF THE 25 -- >> Mayor Guajardo: 30. >> Campos: 30 YEARS, SORRY. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT'S A 30-YEAR AGREEMENT. SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT DOWN TO FIVE YEARS. >> Campos: YES. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: I'D LIKE FOR US TO SHOW THIS TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU ALWAYS GET COMPLAINTS THAT INDUSTRY DOES NOTHING. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THEY'RE STEPPING UP AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING. SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME, MAYOR, TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, WE ARE. WE ARE. ABSOLUTELY. >> Zanoni: NICK HAS A PRESENTATION THAT WE CAN SHOW, AND I BELIEVE HE HANDED IT OUT TO THE COUNCIL HERE AS WELL. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, WE GOT AHEAD OF OURSELVES. >> Zanoni: LET'S GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, NICK. >> Winkelmann: YES, SIR, NICK WINKELMANN, INTERIM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER CORPUS CHRISTI WATER, AGAIN, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND VALERO, IT IS AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PROVISION AND SALE OF RECYCLED WATER. THE AGREEMENT'S INITIAL PHASE IS 3 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. AND THEN WITH A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF UP TO 8 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. THE AGREEMENT IS FOR 30 YEARS AS COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS SAID. AGAIN, IT'S 3 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY OF RECLAIMED WATER. THAT'S FROM THE GREENWOOD WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR VALERO TO DESIGN, CONSTRUCT AND FULLY FUND THE -- ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO CONVEY THIS EFFLUENT WATER FROM GREENWOOD TO THEIR FACILITY. THOSE PRIMARY FUNCTION -- THE PRIMARY FEATURES INCLUDE A 24-INCH DIAMETER CONVEYANCE LINE, A 10 MILLION-GALLON STORAGE TANK LOCATED AT THE GREENWOOD FACILITY, PUMP STATION, AND THEN ALSO THEY WILL BE WORKING ALONG WITH THE CITY, THE CITY WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR ACQUISITION OF ANY EASEMENTS AND WORKING THROUGH OUR RIGHT OF WAY PROCESS. I DO WANT TO ADD THAT THAT 24-INCH DIAMETER LINE IS OVERSIZED. IT'S OVERSIZED AT THE CITY REQUEST, THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WILL OPEN UP OTHER POTENTIAL POSSIBILITIES OF THE SALE OF EFFLUENT WATER TO ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS AS WELL. ONCE THE -- ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS INSTALLED AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY WILL BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, IT'S ESTIMATED BETWEEN 70 AND $100 MILLION. THE 30-YEAR AGREEMENT OF PURCHASING THE EFFLUENT WATER, THE PURCHASE PRICE WILL BE AT THE CITY'S ESTABLISHED RAW WATER RATE, CURRENTLY THAT'S $1.18 PER THOUSAND. THAT RATE WILL GO UP AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO INVEST IN ITS RAW WATER SUPPLY. ADDITIONALLY, VALERO WILL REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT CONSIST OF THE ELECTRIC COSTS, OPERATE THE PUMPS, ANY CHEMICALS UTILIZED OR ANY OTHER MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES. THOSE COSTS WILL BE TRACKED AND MONITORED AND THEN IT WILL BE REVIEWED WITH VALERO AND LIKE I SAID, THEY WILL REIMBURSE US FOR THOSE COSTS AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S BEEN -- THIS CAME TOGETHER IN A -- THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR THIS TO COME TOGETHER IN A GOOD TIME FRAME. THE IMPORTANCE IS THAT WE OFFSET OUR WATER SUPPLY DEMAND. AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS BY FURNISHING OUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS WITH EFFLUENT WATER. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL PHASE OF 3 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, YOU ADD ANOTHER FIVE TO MAKE IT A TOTAL OF 8 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER AS WELL. IT HAS BEEN -- IT'S BEEN A GOOD TEAM WORKING TOGETHER WITH VALERO. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE IN ADHERING TO OUR REQUESTS AND WORKING TOGETHER TO MEET THIS TIMELINE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE -- THERE'S A GENERAL LAYOUT OR ALIGNMENT OF THAT CONVEYANCE LINE FROM GREENWOOD TO THEIR FACILITY, BUT THE KEY -- I DO WANT TO SAY IS VALERO DID -- I MEAN, THEY'RE INVESTING MORE MONEY JUST TO UPSIZE THAT LINE SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EFFLUENT WATER TO OTHER LARGE-VOLUME CUSTOMERS AND TAKE EVEN MORE -- REDUCE OUR DEMAND EVEN MORE. AGAIN, IT'S AN OFFSETTING DEMAND. THE ADDITIONAL FIVE MGD JUST TO CLARIFY, HOW DOES THAT BECOME AVAILABLE, THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CONVEYANCE LINE FROM THE OSO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO THE GREENWOOD WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THAT DESIGN CONTRACT IS WITH Z OH, DURA AND COUNCIL APPROVED THAT CONTRACT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO. . >> Zanoni: NICK TO HEIGHT, VALERO IS SPENDING ABOUT $100 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. AND THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT -- AND COUNCILWOMAN, YOU AND I TALK ABOUT IT A LOT, THAT THE STAFF IS OVERBURDENED WITH WORK, RIGHT, SO VALERO'S TAKING THIS ON 100%. THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT, THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT IT. $100MILLION INVESTMENT, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO THE CITY SO THAT ASSET BECOMES OURS, SO WE GET $100 MILLION PIPELINE. AND, NICK, HOW MANY MILES IS IT IN TOTAL? IT'S NOT JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, IT'S -- >> Winkelmann: I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT -- >> Zanoni: OVER 10-MILE MILES OF PIPE. ANYBODY THE PIPE BUSINESS KNOWS IT'S EXPEBSIVE. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT -- I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL, BUT THE 8 MILLION IS HALF OF THE TOTAL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS NOW FOR THE EFFLUENT REUSE, IN TOTAL IT WILL BE 16 MILLION WITHIN TWO YEARS THAT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE GETTING 16 MILLION MORE IN WATER THAT WE CAN SELL TO CURRENT CUSTOMERS, POTABLE WATER. VALERO DOESN'T NEED POTABLE WATER FOR THEIR COOLING AND CLEANING PROCESSES. SO THIS IS A GREAT -- I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THIS SOMEWHERE FOR AN AWARD, BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT USE OF EFFLUENT THAT UP TO THIS POINT HAS JUST BEEN DISCHARGED INTO THE GULF, ESSENTIALLY IT GOES TO THE GULF. SO WE'RE BASICALLY CREATING 16 MILLION-GALLONS OF FRESH WATER FOR THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE ON OUR SYSTEM, AND VALERO'S STEPPING UP PARTNERING WITH US, INVESTING 100 MILLION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> Winkelmann: ABSOLUTELY. >> Zanoni: AND NOT ONLY ARE THEY DOING THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE $100 MILLION ASSET SO... >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. I REALLY DO. I THINK IT'S A GOOD DEAL. THEY'RE COMING UP TO THE PLATE, SPENDING SOME MONEY. I WISH THEY COULD SPEND $1.2 BILLION, BUT 100 MILLION IS GOOD ENOUGH, I GUESS. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE -- TWO CONCERNS IS, ONE, WHOEVER DOES THESE CONTRACTS SHOULD -- I THINK SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR THE CITY MORE THAN LOOK OUT FOR THE OTHER SIDE. FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK VALERO IS, I DON'T KNOW, SUING US -- WHAT ARE THEY -- THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH US ABOUT THE WATER RATES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> Zanoni: THEY'RE UTILIZING WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND SO THEY CAN CONTEST -- ANYBODY LIVING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS CAN CONTEST -- >> Cantu: ARE THEY WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND JUST DROP THAT -- >> Zanoni: ONE OF THE REFINERS, FLINT HILLS DID DROP THEIR PUC CLAIM, YEAH. >> Cantu: AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS -- FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T DELIVER THE WATER OR SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE PIPELINE OR TO THE SYSTEM, THEY COULD COME BACK AND SUE US FOR DAMAGES AND LOSS OF TIME. IT'S ON THE CONTRACT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, DAMAGES ARE ALLOWED UNDER LAW RESULTING FROM SUCH FAILURE. I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE? I MEAN, IT JUST OPENS UP, LIKE -- YOU KNOW -- >> Winkelmann: I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCILMAN, IS THERE IS A PROVISION WHERE THAT CONVEYANCE LINE FROM OH OSO TO GREENWOOD HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE PERIOD. WE'RE PUSHING ODURA AND THEIR TEAM QUICKLY. IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS THEY GET A PROPORTIONAL REBATE, BUT THEY'RE INVESTING AND DESIGNING FOR MORE THAN 8 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT, I WOULD -- MY OPINION IT'S A WIN/WIN. IT'S A WIN/WIN FOR THE CITY, IT'S A WIN FOR VALERO, IT IS -- IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THEM. WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM AS A PARTNER. AND THEY'RE -- >> Cantu: NO, I AGREE WITH YOU. >> Zanoni: JUST A SECOND. EXPLAIN IT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE LISTENING COUNCILMEMBERS UNDERSTAND IT, SO VALERO'S GOING TO INVEST 100 MILLION FOR A PIPELINE THAT ULTIMATELY GETS 8 MILLION. ALL WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW IS THREE FROM GREENWOOD. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THE REST FROM OSO, AND THAT PROJECT WE'RE DOING, WE HAVE TO BUILD THE PIPELINE FROM OSO SO GREENWOOD. SO WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS IS VALERO'S SAYING IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 100 MILLION, THEN THERE HAS TO BE SOME GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT 5 MILLION. WE CAN'T ENTER INTO THIS, THEY SPEND 100 MILLION, AND THEN WE SAY, OH, WE WERE JUST JOKING ABOUT THE OSO PIPELINE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, IT TELLS US WE GET FIVE YEARS TO DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN TWOS. >> Cantu: AFTER F HOW MANY YEARS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PIPELINE, ARE THEY GOING TO GIVE IT TO US RIGHT AWAY OR AFTER 30 YEARS. >> Winkelmann: AS SOON AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S CONSTRUCTED AND IN PLACE, THE CITY WILL REVIEW AND ACCEPT IT. YOU KNOW, WE WILL REVIEW IT, MAKE SURE IT'S BUILT PER STANDARDS, AND THEN WE WILL ACCEPT IT IMMEDIATELY. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: OR TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT. YES SIR. >> Cantu: AND THEN WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. HOWEVER THE AGREEMENT DOES STATE THAT VALERO WILL HAVE TO PAY THEIR PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF FUTURE REQUIRED MAINTENANCE WITH THAT LINE FOR THE EXTENT OF THE 30-YEAR AGREEMENT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THAT LINE -- WE'RE MOVING 12 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY, VALERO IS TAKING EIGHT. IF THERE IS A MAJOR SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE REQUIRED ON THAT LINE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEIR 8 MGD PROPORTIONAL SHARE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE. >> Cantu: AND ETA FOR THEM TO BE ONLINE? >> Winkelmann: WELL, IT'S -- SO IT IS TOUGH, BECAUSE THERE ARE RIGHT OF WAYS, THEY'VE -- THEY HAVE TO INSTALL THAT LINE. WHAT THEY'VE STATED AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM IS HOPEFULLY IT'S TWO YEARS OR SO. >> Zanoni: TWO YEARS. ONE YEAR FOR DESIGN, ONE YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. >> Cantu: CAN Y'ALL DO IT BY NOVEMBER PLEASE? OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. >> Winkelmann: YELLS. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE 30-YEAR. THEY'RE INVESTING QUITE A BIT OF CAPITAL AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO AMORTIZE THAT EXPENSE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND TO JUSTIFY IT TO INSURE THEY HAVE WATER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE TAKING THE RECLAIMED WATER, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR TREATED WATER CURRENTLY, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SO FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR WASTEWATER PRIEP OR WHATEVER HAPPENS, THEY STILL HAVE AK ACCESS TO ACCEPT TREATED WATER, CORRECT. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Winkelmann: . >> Hernandez: AND THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE PAYING THE TREATED RATES IF THEY TAKE THAT WATER. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: NOT ONLY DOES THIS BENEFIT US THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SELL WATER THAT WE WERE JUST THROWING AWAY INTO THE BAY [SONG PLAYING] >> Hernandez: IT'S A GOOD SONG. BUT THIS IS NEW REVENUE INRA LOT OF WAYS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING SOME REVENUE FROM SELLING TREATED WATER, BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT'S A SHORT-TERM ISSUE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM GAIN BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'LL SELL THAT WATER SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I THINK THIS OVERALL IS A GOOD THING. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS A WHILE BACK. I KNOW DECISIONS WERE MADE DIFFERENTLY IN THE PAST. ULTIMATELY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS -- YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM EXPANDED TO OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS. THAT WAY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE WATER THEY NEED TO DO -- TO PERFORM THE FUNCTIONS THAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT FOR TEXAS, AND FOR THE UNITED STATES. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT THIS. I AM SUPPORTING THIS FULLY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: WE KNOW INDUSTRY DOES GET CRITICIZED A LOT, AND THEY'RE VERY VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK MOST OF US UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR STEPPING U. I THINK YOU DID THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S TIMES WE NEED TO THANK INDUSTRY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY DIDN'T UP, THEY DIDN'T DO THIS, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, YOU ARE STEPPING UP AND IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT VALERO REPRESENTATION, RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU FOR THE INVESTMENT. AND WE'RE REALLY GLAD THAT THIS IS COMING TO FRUITION. IF THERE'S ANY WAY IT CAN COME PRIOR TO TWO YEARS, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT WE APPRECIATE IT. BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY -- IT'S SMART AND FORWARD-THINKING. IT REALLY IS, AND WE APPRECIATE IT. IT STRENGTHENS OUR WATER SUPPLY, IT REDUCES STRAIN ON OUR WATER SYSTEM, AND IT'S JUST A PERFECT PIECE TO THE PUZZLE RIGHT NOW. SO WE APPRECIATE IT, AND I KNOW WE HAVE MORE COMING WITH OTHER INDUSTRY PARTNERS, AND THAT'S EXCITING AS WELL. >> Zanoni: YES, MA'AM. SO THE TOTAL PROJECT WILL BE $16 MILLION OF REUSE.WONDERFUL . BY NOVEMBER OF '26. WE'RE GOING TO WRITE THAT IN BEFORE WE PASS THIS. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: THERE YOU GO. WELL, LET'S SEE HERE, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 19. PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> HI, JASON HAIL, CORPUS CHRISTI. SO THE WASTEWATER OUTFLOWS ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE BAY, TO THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE DONE TO SEE WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE FOR REMOVING THOSE OUTFLOWS TO OUR BAYS? I KNOW OSO CREEK, A LOT OF THEIR FLOW IS THE EFFLUENT FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT SCALING THIS UP, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TO ASSESS THE IMPACTS FROM REMOVING THE EFFLUENT FLOWS FROM THE BAYS. THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'LL MAKE SURE -- >> Zanoni: WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS OUT. SO THE CONSULTANT -- WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPING US, AND WE ARE LEAVING -- WE WILL DISCHARGE A LE LEVEL OF WATER STILL INTO THE BAY AND ESTUARIES THERE. WE'RE NOT TAKING IT ALLAL WAY FROM THE SYSTEM. WE KNOW THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU GO DOWN ENNIS JOSLIN AND THE OSO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY IS THE THRIVING ECOSYSTEM THAT WAS CREATED BY THE CITY WITH THE DISCHARGE. SO WE'RE DETERMINING WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT TO KEEP THAT ECOSYSTEM HEALTHY AND THAT WILL BE DISCHARGED STILL INTO THE BAY SYSTEM THERE. AND THERE'S REVIEW ALSO OF THE OSO CREEK, THAT WON'T HAVE AS MUCH WATER OBVIOUSLY IN IT, BUT IT WILL HAVE A MINIMAL LEVEL TO MAINTAIN THE HEALTH OF THE CREEK SYSTEM. >> COOL. YEAH, JUST CONCERNED IF YOU REMOVE 90% OF IT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE IMPACT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME SORT OF REPORT OR ASSESSMENT THAT KIND OF DETAILS THAT KIND OF STUFF. >> Zanoni: AND WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> COOL. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. HALE. ANYONE ELSE? >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1, THANK YOU TO INDUSTRY. I MEAN, THE CLOCK WAS TICKING AND WE APPRECIATE THEM COMING TO THE TABLE. DARCY, GOOD JOB. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE AND WHY I'M SPEAKING IS BECAUSE I RUMMAGED THROUGH THE CONTRACT OF THE 22-PAGE -- 21-PAGE CONTRACT AND UNFORTUNATELY WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT REPLACING OUR LOCAL ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THESE CONTRACTS ARE MADE IN FAVOR OF THE OPPOSING SIGNERS. THEY'RE NEVER IN FAVOR OF THE COMMUNITY ONE. OR THIS CITY, TWO. ACCORDINGLY, VALERO SHALL BE ENTITLED TO SEEK AND OBTAIN SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE OF THE CITY'S DELIVERY OBLIGATIONS AND RECOVER ALL DAMAGES ALLOWED UNDER LAW RESULTING FROM SUCH FAILURE WITHOUT LIMITATION TO THE PURSUIT OF SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE AFTER NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO CURE. SO MONETARY DAMAGES ALONE WOULD BE INADEQUATE TO COMPENSATE VALERO FOR THE CITY'S FAILURE TO PERFORM. SO IF YOU ALL DON'T PERFORM -- AND I'LL -- MIND YOU, WE'VE BEEN IN A DROUGHT WITHOUT WATER FOR HOW LONG WITH NO SOLUTIONS? MAYBE A FEW NOW. AND SO WE ARE NOT A GOOD LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT ACTUALLY COMPLETES THINGS, COMPLETES THEM ON TIME, UNDER BUDGET AND PROPERLY. AND SO NOW MONETARY DAMAGES ISN'T GOING TO BE ENOUGH, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO SUPPLY THEM WATER, SHOULD THIS NOT COME TO FRUITION. SO MAYBE THESE CONTRACTS NEED TO BE REVIEWED A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE BECAUSE OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS HORRIBLE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. CABALLERO. ANYONE ELSE? >> SUZIE LUNA SALDAÑA. I DO WANT TO THANK VALERO FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE TO STEP UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY WORK VERY HARD. IT'S EASY TO CRITICIZE, OKAY. AND I DO WANT OUR CITY PROTECTED; HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THANK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE. AND I HOPE THAT MORE OF INDUSTRY COMES ABOARD AND DOES THE SAME THING. SO A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE OF CORPUS CHRISTI FOR COMING UP TO THE PLATE. >> MICHAEL MILLER, DISTRICT 2. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD NEWS STORY. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 12 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER TOO LATE. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHY IT WAS REJECTED THE FIRST TIME IT CAME TO COUNCIL IS PRETTY SIMPLE: IT'S AN ECONOMIC STEAL RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT'S CURRENTLY BUYING 8 MILLION-GALLONS PER DAY FROM YOU AT A CERTAIN COST AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT CUSTOMER IS NOW PAYING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THAT, THOUGH THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING TO BRING THAT WATER TO THEM, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COST OF SERVICE THAT GOES UP. AND -- BECAUSE YOU'RE DELIVERING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER OR YOU HAVE THE SAME FIXED COSTS TO DELIVER THAT WATER, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR CUSTOMER'S NOW PAYING A LITTLE BIT LESS BECAUSE THEY'VE MADE AN INVESTMENT INTO THIS EFFLUENT DEAL. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO BRING ON NEW WATER PROJECTS, THAT WE HAVE A GOOD RATE MODELER ON BOARD THAT IS CONSTANTLY MONITORING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE COST OF THIS PROJECT, HOW MUCH WATER DOES IT PRODUCE, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO DELIVER THAT WATER, EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE IN A -- IN KIND OF A PANIC BUY MODE RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT ALL. I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE AND, YOU KNOW, ENTER INTO THESE AGREEMENTS ON FUTURE WATER PROJECTS, WE JUST NEED TO BE -- MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCREASE DEMAND. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE GOES UP. SO JUST KEEP EVERYTHING IN MIND, BALANCE IT ALL OUT, AND I'VE TALKED TO MR. ZANONI ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. I THINK THE TIME HAS COME THAT CORPUS CHRISTI WATER BECOMES A SEPARATE ENTITY THAN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. WE HAVE A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT CREDIT RATINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO TAKE ON DEBT, IT'S GOING TO PUT US IN A BIND FOR EVERY ROAD, FIRE STATION, EVERYTHING THAT WE PURCHASE MOVING FORWARD, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KIND OF HAPPENED AT SAN DIEGO WATER WHENEVER THEY STARTED BUILDING THE DESALINATION PLANT OVER THERE. THEIR CREDIT RANK TANKED TO DD MINUS UNTIL THE PLANT STARTED PRODUCING WATER THAT THEY COULD SELL DID THEIR CREDIT RATINGS RECOVER. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CLOSELY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JIM KLEIN, I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2 HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS' COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN. 30 YEARS IS A LONG TIME. I MEAN, LOOK BACK THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, 30 YEARS AGO, THE DALLAS COWBOYS WON THE SUPER BOWL. I THINK THIS COULD BE DONE IN FIVE YEARS, AND THEN POTENTIALLY RENEWED OR 10 YEARS AS WELL AND THEN RENEWED. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE LOCKED IN FOR 30 YEARS. THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS. THE OTHER ONE I'VE GOT REALLY ECHOS WHAT MR. HALE MENTIONED BEFORE, BECAUSE THOSE WASTEWATER OUTFLOWS DO IMPACT THE SALINITY OF THE BAYS AND THE ESTUARIES IN THE AREA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FRESH WATER BEING DUMPED INTO THE BAYS AND ESTUARIES, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO UNINTENTIONALLY INCREASE THE SALINITY OF THOSE BAYS AND ESTUARIES AS WELL. SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 19. >> City Secretary: THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT. >> Campos: THERE WAS NO SECOND. >> Barrera: YEAH, THERE WAS A SECOND. SMULTSES. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. SO THE AMENDMENT DIES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AS PRESENTED. >> City Secretary: MOTION AS PRESENTED YES MA'AM. >> Mayor Guajardo: PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, NICK. >> Winkelmann: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT'S 1:28. WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO GO -- THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEMS 29 THROUGH 33 PER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.071 551.072 AND 551.074. AND WE WILL RETURN. [CITY COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION] [EXECUTIVE SESSION] [EXECUTIVE SESSION] [EXECUTIVE SESSION] MAIRMINGZ WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE OUR MEETING. >> Barrera: I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO AUTHORIZE ALL DOCUMENTS TO SETTLE ALL CLAIMS TO WHICH THE CITY MAY BE RELATEDDED TO RECALL ALONZO NOT TO EXCEED $250,000. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. . OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOING TO PICK BACK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF, WHICH IS SECTION L, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS NUMBERS 19 THROUGH 26. WE TOOK CARE OF ITEM 19, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 20, AND THIS IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION TO REQUIRE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEGIN AT 12 NOON EXACTLY AND ALLOW ALL REGISTERED SPEAKERS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDLESS OF RESIDENCY EFFECTIVE JANUARY 27TH, 2026 AS REQUESTED BY COUNCILMEMBERS ERIC CANTU, CAROLYN VAUGHN AND SYLVIA CAMPOS. AND WHO OF THE THREE IS GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT? COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: MAYOR I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RESPECT TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE YOU'RE THE LEADER OF THIS COUNCIL AND I WANT TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. WHAT KIND OF IDEAS DO YOU WANT TO DO? >> Mayor Guajardo: SO -- I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE 12. I THINK THE 12 IS GOOD, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT 12 NOON ABOUT -- WE CAN DISCUSS THE TIME FRAME. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON THE TIME FRAME. >> Cantu: THE TIME FRAME FOR WHAT? >> Mayor Guajardo: PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Cantu: LIKE HAVING IT AT 12 12:30. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, NO, HOW LONG. ABOUT HOW LONG. SO I'M WELCOME TO -- I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THE NONRESIDENTS, THEY HAVE ONE MINUTE NOW. >> Cantu: SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 12:00, WASN'T THAT HOW IT WAS BEFORE, AND THEN ALSO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY AT A THREE-MINUTE COMMENT, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT COME FROM PORTLAND OR SINTON TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK ONE MINUTE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. AND WE ALSO DO PROVIDE WATER TO THOSE CITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO I THINK -- I THINK -- YOU KNOW, TOTAL OF THREE MINUTES FOR EVERY SPEAKER IS DOABLE. AS A TIME FRAME, LIKE STOPPING PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK TO US AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. YOU KNOW, ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS DO A 12:00, AND DO THE THREE-MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Cantu: SO ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IDEAS, THAT'S FINE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. LETS HEAR FROM OTHERS. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. WOW. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, WELL, SINCE I GOT IN COUNCIL AND I THINK WE SEE THAT THE 5:30 IS POPULAR, YOU KNOW, IT IS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S AFTER WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WAS VOICED TO ME AFTER, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THAT ACTION, THAT'S WHY I'M CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE 12:00. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LOVE TO SUGGEST IS IF WE COULD OFFER AT LEAST ONE EVENING OR AN ADDITIONAL EVENING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO TO SCHOOL OR AT WORK AND CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE 12:00, OR DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW -- BUT, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD MEAN MORE TIME ON -- YOU KNOW, FOR US, FOR CITY COUNCIL, BUT I -- I WOULDN'T MIND COMING BACK ANOTHER NIGHT. IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE, I GUESS, MONDAY NIGHT. AND THE OTHER IS THE THREE-MINUTE ALLOWANCE, I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING THAT FOR -- YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE NOW BECAUSE I DO SEE PEOPLE FROM ROBSTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, OUR SURROUNDING AREAS, PORTLAND, WHATEVER, WE ARE THE WATER PROVIDERS FOR 500,000 CUSTOMERS, BUT YET WE ONLY GIVE THEM ONE MINUTE WHEN THEY COME IN PERSON. SO I'VE NEVER FELT THAT THAT WAS RIGHT OR JUST, SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT. THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: ANYONE ELSE COUNCILMAN ROY? >> Roy: YOU KNOW, I AGREE RECENTLY, A MINUTE. YOU CAN'T SAY MUCH IN A MINUTE, YOU KNOW. AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING TO THREE-MINUTES, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN HERE THAT ARE NOT FROM THIS AREA EITHER HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION. THEY'RE NOT JUST UP HERE COMING -- YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION, AND I THINK THREE-MINUTES, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: HAS THERE BEEN A MOTION ON THIS YET? >> Mayor Guajardo: NO. >> Hernandez: OKAY. THE REASON WE WENT TO ONE MINUTE FOR NONRESIDENTS IS WE WERE GETTING -- BECAUSE DURING THE COVID PERIOD, WE WERE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA, PEOPLE FROM AUSTIN, PEOPLE FROM HOUSTON, AND THEY WERE TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL CONNECTION TO THIS AREA. NOW, I -- THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO PEOPLE FROM SINTON OR PORTLAND OR ANYBODY THAT'S LOCAL IN THE LOCAL AREA, SO I WOULD -- I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN A MOTION IS MADE, THAT WE CHANGE THIS TO ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PERSON GET THREE MINUTES, NOT EVERYBODY THAT ARE REGISTERED, BECAUSE THEN WE'LL END UP WITH PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SIGNING UP AND TELLING US, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE MINUTES STUFF THAT REALLY IS NOT RELEVANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY OUR DECISIONS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW -- I'LL MAKE THAT AMENDMENT WHEN IT COMES UP. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. YEAH. COUNCILWOMAN. >> Vaughn: REBECCA, HAVE YOU CHECKED TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. >> City Secretary: YES, MA'AM, WE DID THAT RESEARCH. >> Vaughn: AND WHAT WAS IT? [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Vaughn: I KNOW COUNTY HAS A TIME LIMIT. DO OTHER CITY'S TIME LIMIT OR DID THEY ALLOW EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT WENT. >> City Secretary: I THINK A COUPLE CITIES HAD RULES ABOUT RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS, BUT MOST OF THEM -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY -- THEIR COUNCILS MAY NOT HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE WHERE A LOT OF NONRESPECTS NONRESIDENTS SHOW UP. SO I RECALL JUST A COUPLE CITIES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ABOUT THE 10 THAT WE DID, OF THE 10 CITIES THAT WE POLLED. >> Vaughn: THEY DID WHAT? >> City Secretary: THEY JUST HAD ONE TIME LIMIT FOR EVERYBODY. >> Vaughn: AND HOW MUCH WAS THE TIME LIMIT, DO YOU KNOW? >> City Secretary: IT WAS UP TO THREE. I THINK ONE OF THEM HAD FIVE, BUT THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL. >> Vaughn: THREE MINUTES? THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT THAT SAID YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT IS FROM 12:00 TO 1:30? >> City Secretary: OH, YOU MEAN FOR THE SESSION. >> Vaughn: FOR THE SEX? >> City Secretary: I WANT TO SAY TWO DID, RIGHT? WASN'T IT? ONE OR TWO CITIES. >> THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT HAD A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME. >> City Secretary: YEAH, THERE WERE SEVERAL CITIES THAT HAD A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME. >> THERE WERE SEVERAL CITIES THAT HAD A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME, 60 TO 90 MINUTES WAS COMMON AND THEY WOULD DIVIDE UP THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS BY THE NUMBER OF MINUTES USUALLY WITH A NOT TO EXCEED THREE MINUTES. >> Vaughn: OKAY. AND THE REASON I ASK THIS IS HERE'S THE MEMORY IS THE REASON THAT WE WENT TO 5:30 AND WHENEVER I PROPOSED IT I SAID I WOULD COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE MOANTSES AND REVIEW IT AND SEE IF IT WORKED. THE MEETINGS GOT OUT OF CONTROL WITH THE AUDIENCE, UP HERE, THEY WERE OUT OF CONTROL, AND WE WERE SPENDING THREE TO FOUR HOURS EVERY MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE WERE EXHAUSTED BY THE END OF THE DAY, AND WE -- YOU CAN'T MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN YOU'RE TIRED, SO THAT IS THE REASON THAT THEY MOVED -- THAT WE MOVED IT FOR A TRIAL BASIS. NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL. I UNDERSTAND THE THREE MINUTES FOR OUT OF TOWN. ONE MINUTE IS DEFINITELY NOT ENOUGH, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO HIT SOME HOT TOPICS COMING UP AGAIN. DESAL WILL BE COMING UP IN FEBRUARY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GROUNDWATER DISCUSSIONS, SO WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE'VE GOT A LINE OUT OF HERE WHERE WE'RE SPENDING THREE TO FOUR HOURS. Y'ALL, I'M FINE WITH DOING THAT IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I'M OPEN TO ALL SUGGESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M WITH GIL ON OUT OF STATE. THEY DO NOT NEED THREE MINUTES. AND IS THREE MINUTES TOO MUCH FOR OUT OF TOWN? DO WE PUT OUR PRIORITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN NUECES COUNTY? I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK IT THROUGH. AND I THINK EVERY COUNCILMEMBER NEEDS TO WEIGH IN, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ALL OF US. AND MR. ZANONI, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: WELL, SO WHEN COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN, WHEN WE RECOMMENDED MOVING IT TO 5:30, I AGREED BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME IS WE WANT PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THERE WAS -- THERE WAS LONG DURATION OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH WAS EXHAUSTING THE COUNCIL TO WHERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF BUSINESS DECISIONS WERE AT A LATE, LATE HOUR WITH AN EXHAUSTED SET OF BOARD MEMBERS, I.E., THE COUNCIL. SO -- AND BEING HERE SEVEN YEARS, I'VE -- I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THEY LIKE THAT LUNCHTIME TIME, BECAUSE THEY CAN COME IN DURING THEIR LUNCHTIME AND IT'S MORE CONVENIENT ALTHOUGH COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS' GROUP THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH LIKES THE 5:30 BECAUSE THAT'S MORE CONVENIENT. SO EITHER WAY, SOME FOLKS WON'T HAVE CONVENIENCE. SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE NOONTIME BECAUSE THEY CAN COME IN DURING THEIR LUNCH BREAK. OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T LEAVE FOR LUNCH, SO THEY LIKE THE 5:30 TIME FRAME. I WOULD SUPPORT OR RECOMMEND HAVING A TIME LIMIT, SO IF YOU SAY WE HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF OF TOTAL PUBLIC COMMENT, BECAUSE THIS IS A BOARD MEETING, LIKE IT OR NOT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME SAYING THAT. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL IS ACTING LIKE THE BOARD OF THE CITY, AND THERE'S IMPORTANT BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE UP HERE. AND THE COUNCIL DOESN'T CONVENE TO LISTEN EXCLUSIVELY TO COMMENTS, BECAUSE YOU CAN HEAR THAT ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, AND WE DO. I TAKE PHONE CALLS, I TAKE TEXTS, I TAKE APPOINTMENTS. AND THE COUNCIL SHOULD, TOO. SO THE MEETING FORMAT IS NOT THE ONLY TIME WE CAN EVER LISTEN TO A RESIDENT. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE. BUT THE COUNCIL ONLY HAS THIS ONE TIME A WEEK, THREE TIMES A MONTHS, TO CONDUCT EXTENSIVE BUSINESS FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU HAVE A TIRED BOARD OF DIRECTORS, I.E. COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT MAKING GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I DO SUPPORT SOME TYPE OF LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME, GIVING THE COUNCIL FRESHNESS AND ALERTNESS TO MAKE BIG BUSINESS DECISIONS AND GOVERNANCE DECISIONS AND QUALITY OF LIFE DECISIONS, SO THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU, PETER. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T SUPPORT A TIME LIMIT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR, TO HEAR THE PUBLIC AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS. I KNOW PETER SAID THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET AHOLD OF US THROUGH TEXT, PHONE, E-MAILS, BUT HONESTLY, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE REALLY RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH E-MAILS AND TEXTING PEOPLE BACK? YOU KNOW, I DO. IN THE BEGINNING I WAS REALLY BAD ABOUT READING E-MAILS AND NOT RESPONDING, AND THEN I LEARNED REAL QUICK I NEEDED TO RESPOND AND I RESPOND TO MY E-MAILS EVERY DAY. AND THEY ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HEAR THE PEOPLE OUT. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THE TIME FOR HOURS. MAYBE BIG ISSUES LIKE DESAL IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LONG LINE HERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERY SINGLE MEETING. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT PETER SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF BIG DOLLAR DECISIONS, BUT -- I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO HEAR THESE PEOPLE OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. AND IF WE DO IT AT 12:00 OR 5:30, I MEAN, IF IT'S THREE OR FOUR HOURS, I MEAN, IT'S THREE OR FOUR HOURS. I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO IT. I AGREE WITH HERNANDEZ AND VAUGHN ABOUT THE LIMITS OF PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN, BUT WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP IT AT ONE MINUTE FOR PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN; HOWEVER, ANYBODY THAT WE PROVIDE WATER TO, WE HEAR THEM FOR THREE MINUTES. YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WE PROVIDE WATER TO, UTILITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WE -- AND KEEP IT IN NUECES COUNTY, BUT IF IT'S SOMEBODY IN SAN PAT COUNTY, GIVE THEM THREE MINUTES. YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE FROM KINGSVILLE, WE DON'T PROVIDE ANYTHING IN KINGSVILLE, WE GIVE THEM ONE MINUTE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. MY MAIN CONCERN IS OUR RESIDENTS OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT WE PROVIDE WATER TO. AND WATER'S A BIG ISSUE IN CORPUS, SO I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE, BUT THE TIME LIMIT, I JUST FEEL THAT IT'S NOT GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO CUT SOMEBODY OFF AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF, HEY, SORRY, AN HOUR AND A HALF WENT OUT ALREADY, SO YOU CAN'T TALK. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. I THINK IT'S -- I THINK THEY HAVE RIGHTS AND THEY NEED TO BE HEARD AND WE NEED TO FULFILL OUR DUTIES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE PROMISED THE PEOPLE WHEN WE GOT ELECTED AND WE NEED TO DO THAT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION -- DO I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION OR DOES GIL MAKE A MOTION ABOUT HIS -- >> Hernandez: YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE ACTUAL ITEM YOU HAVE THERE, AND THEN WE'LL AMEND IT AFTERWARDS. >> Cantu: OKAY. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, GIL. >> Hernandez: YOU HAVE IT AS WRITTEN RIGHT? >> Cantu: OKAY. >> Hernandez: WHICH IF YOU READ IT, IT'S SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEGIN AT 12:00 P.M. EXACTLY AND ALLOW FOR REGISTERED SPEAKERS THREE MINTS TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, REGARDLESS OF RESIDENCY. AND I SHOULD -- I WANT TO ADD "IN PERSON." >> Campos: YEAH. >> Hernandez: IF SOMEONE MAKES THE EFFORT TO COME TO OUR COUNCIL DHAIM BERS, TO SPEAK TO US, I BELIEVE THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO GET THREE MINUTES. IF THEY'RE GOING TO CALL FROM CALIFORNIA, THEY GET ONE MINUTE. >> Campos: OKAY. GOT YOU. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT ALREADY HAD THE LANGUAGE IN IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY REQUEST. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Cantu: I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE IT'S MY LAST TIME TO TALK, SO I DON'T WANT -- YEAH, THIS IS MY SECOND TIME. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION YET, BUT YOU CAN AFTER -- WE'VE GOT THREE MORE PEOPLE TO HEAR FROM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR THE MOTION. OKAY. COUNCILMAN SCOTT? >> Scott: THANKS, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE MOVING IT TO NOON. I WOULD SUPPORT A 60 TO 90-MINUTE CAP. I'M OKAY WITH THREE MINUTES. I THINK THE COUNTY, I GUESS, AND THE PORT HAS A CAP, SO I WOULD JUST FOLLOW THEIR PROCESS. I HAVEN'T HEARD -- MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD OPPOSITION OR CRITICISM TO THAT PROCESS. I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES, NONRESIDENTS GETS TWO MINUTES. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WHETHER THEY BUY OUR WATER, ALTHOUGH I THINK THEY TECHNICALLY BUY WATER FROM A THIRD PARTY, ALTHOUGH WE PROVIDE WATER TO THE SAN PATRICIO WATER DISTRICT. SO IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, NOON, 60 OR 90-MINUTE CAP. THREE MINUTES IF THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE OR YOU CHANGE, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SIGN UP, AND THREE MINUTES TO NONRESIDENTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: GO AHEAD. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: WELL, I JUST WANTED TO JUST STATE THE FACT THAT I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE IN-PERSON. WHEN I SAID ABOUT THE THREE MINUTES, IT WOULD BE IN PERSON. SO -- AND IT MUST BE CITY RELATED. SO, YOU KNOW -- SO THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY COMING HERE AND - -- I DON'T KNOW, TALKING ABOUT RELIGION OR SOME OTHER THING THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS PROPOSED WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE OF "IN PERSON." >> Mayor Guajardo: HOLD ON, BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILMAN WAS WAITING AND HE WAS AMENDING. >> Campos: OKAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO LET EVERYBODY TAKE A TURN BEFORE. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY SENTIMENTS AS WELL. I AGREE, I THINK THAT WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO COME DO WHAT IS IN THEIR RIGHT, WHICH IS TO CONTACT THEIR GOVERNMENT. AND SO EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT THREE MINUTES, IF THEY'VE MADE THE TRIP DOWN HERE TO CITY HALL. AND I -- I, TOO, SEE THERE'S A MIXED BAG OF WHO ENJOYS THE PM AND WHO ENJOYS THE AFTERNOON BUT I BELIEVE IF WE MOVE THIS TO NOON, THEY CAN STILL SUBMIT A VIDEO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND IN THE AFTERNOON. SO PERHAPS WE CAN STILL LIST THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL NEED TO STATE THEIR NAME AND WHERE THEY RESIDE, BUT THEY COULD UPLOAD A MEDIA FILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> City Secretary: IN LIEU OF MAKING PUBLIC COMMENTER VIRTUALLY? JUST DO A VIDEO AFTER? >> Paxson: YEAH. >> City Secretary: I GUESS IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT -- >> Paxson: I MEAN, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPORT -- LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD KEEP THAT IN PLACE. >> City Secretary: SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT -- WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING NOT ONLY -- NOT VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT A VIDEO INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEONE COME UP. >> Paxson: ARE THEY NOT ATTACHING FILES? IT'S ALL ACTUAL LIVE VIDEOS. >> City Secretary: YES. EVEN SHIRIN DELL SOS WILL COME IN AND START HER VIDEO BUT THERE'S STILL A PERSON THAT COMES UP AND DOES IT. >> Paxson: I THOUGHT WE WERE ALLOWING -- >> City Secretary: GNOME. THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE STATUS QUO IS TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT A PERSON HAS TO DO IT. >> Paxson: ESSENTIALLY WE CAN EMPHASIZE THEY CAN STILL SPEAK IN THE MIDDLE IF THEY CAN'T COME. >> City Secretary: YES, MA'AM, WE PROVIDE VIRTUAL. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N BARRERA? >> Barrera: I SUPPORT THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYONE, AND THEN -- WITH THE -- OBVIOUSLY WITH THE EXCEPTION IF SOMEBODY'S CALLING IN. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST LIMITING THE COMMENT TO AN HOUR AND A HALF, BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE WAS, IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A CONTENTIOUS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THEN TYPICALLY WE HAD INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE BY SPEAKING AT -- DURING THAT PERIOD WHEN THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT COMES IN THAT HAS TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING GENERALLY, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO I THINK THIS ALLOWS US TO PRIORITIZE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE NOTHING ON THE AGENDA AND THEY CAN SPEAK DURING THAT LUNCH HOUR; WHEREAS, THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL WILL STILL HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO SPEAK DURING -- DURING THE AGENDA ITEM. AND THEN FOR WHATEVER THE SUBJECT MAY BE, IF THEY FEEL -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S AGAIN, WE'RE OFFERING ALL THESE OPTIONS, THEY CAN SPEAK TO US, THEY CAN WRITE TO US, THEY CAN SEND US E-MAILS, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, THEY CAN CALL US. AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THAT ITEM. SO I WOULD SUPPORT LIMITING IT TO AN HOUR AND A HALF, BUT THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PEOPLE THAT CALL IN THAT ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN. COUNCILMA N, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO -- >> Mayor Guajardo: DO THE MOTION. OKAY. WELL, COUNCILMAN CANTU, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION? OR DO YOU WANT TO HEAR HIS AMENDMENT? WHAT WAS YOUR AMENDMENT? >> Hernandez: THE AMENDMENT WAS TO ADD -- ALLOW ALL IN-PERP REGISTERED SPEAKERS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THREE MINUTES. >> Hernandez: INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE "IN PERSON" BETWEEN ALL REGISTERED, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE MOTION FIRST AND THEN ADD THE AMENDMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN. >> Vaughn: HERE'S WHAT I HEARD THAT MOST OF YOU WANT THREE MINUTES TO EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE. NOW I'M STILL CONFUSED DO YOU WANT IT AN HOUR AND A HALF, DO YOU WANT TO JUST COME UP HERE AND TALK FOR FOUR HOURS. AN HOUR AND A HALF, THAT'S 30 PEOPLE AT THREE MINUTES, IS MY MATH RIGHT? >> Mayor Guajardo: UH-HUH. >> Vaughn: THREE TIMES THREE IS 90. THAT'S THE DILEMMA, NOW THE DILEMMA IS DO YOU WANT IT AN HOUR AND A HALF, DO YOU WANT IT JUST WHATEVER IT IS. IF YOU HAVE 85 PEOPLE? AND WE DID HAVE 85 PEOPLE ONE TIME. WE DID. THAT'S THREE MINUTES. AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO THE POINT. I WANT PEOPLE TO TALK, I ALWAYS HAVE, BUT WE -- THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO UP HERE, WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS UP HERE. WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE CLEAR HEADS. WE CANNOT SPEND FOUR HOURS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE CAN'T. YOU CAN TALK TO THEM AFTER, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM E-MAIL, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM IN PHONE. I GET TEXTS ALL THE TIME. SO I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHATEVER I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, AND I'M REALLY NOT REAL SURE WHAT IT IS. >> Barrera: MAYOR, MAY I -- >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, CLICK YOUR -- GO AHEAD. >> Barrera: OKAY. WHEN HE MAKES HIS MOTION AND HE MAKES HIS AMENDMENT, I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO LIMIT IT TO AN HOUR AND A HALF. AND IF THAT FAILS, THEN THAT FAILS. AND IF IT PASSES, IT PASSES, SO THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS. >> Cantu: SO WE'RE GOING TO SHUT THE PEOPLE AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF. THAT'S CRAZY. >> Vaughn: NO IT'S NOT. THIS IS DEMOCRACY, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. >> Roy: CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. COUNCILMA N ROY? >> Roy: I JUST WANT TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. IF YOU TALK ABOUT THIS HOUR AND A HALF, IF YOU PUT IT AT HOUR AND A HALF, AND LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THERE'S 85 PEOPLE HERE WANTING TO TALK, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO TAKE THE 85 AND DIVIDE IT BY 90 AND EACH PERSON WOULD HAVE A MINT AND -- LIKE A MINUTE AND 10 SECONDS, IF YOU HAVE 85 PEOPLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Roy: IF YOU HAVE 30 PEOPLE, THEN EVERYBODY GETS THEIR THREE MINUTES. >> Barrera: YEAH, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE -- I'M SORRY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S OKAY. >> Barrera: WHEN YOU HAD -- IN THE TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD 85 PEOPLE, THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE AGENDA ITEM. SO THEY'LL STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE AGENDA ITEM. >> Roy: I GOT YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL -- OKAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO IT WILL BE BOTH, RIGHT? THE NOON AND THE AGENDA ITEM. COUNCILWOMAN? >> Vaughn: AND THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE DID IT AT THE COUNTY, IF YOU HAD, SAY, 30 MINUTES AND YOU HAD 30 PEOPLE, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS BECAUSE IF YOU'LL NOTICE, MOST -- WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE, THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. MAJORITY OF THEM ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, THEY'RE PASSIONATE AND THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING, SO A GROUP WOULD GET TOGETHER AND THEY WOULD HAVE A SPOKESPERSON. I'M NOT SAYING FOR DOING THAT, I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF IT. I'M SEEING FROWNS OUT THERE. BUT ANYWAY, BUT I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS IS. >> Cantu: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT TO 12:00 P.M. >> Mayor Guajardo: PUT YOUR MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. >> Cantu: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO 12:00 P.M. AND GIVE EVERYONE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> Barrera: SECOND. >> Hernandez: MAYOR, I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO INCLUDE IN-PERSON BETWEEN ALL AND REGISTERED SPEAKERS. SO THAT MEANS THREE MINUTES ONLY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN PERSON. >> Campos: CITY-RELATED. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND ONE MINUTE OTHERWISE. >> Hernandez: WELL, THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED. THAT'S NOT. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT, RIGHT RIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> Barrera: AND THEN MAYOR, I'D ALSO LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO LIMIT THE NOON HOUR SPEAKING TO AN HOUR AND A HALF; HOWEVER, THIS ENTITLES AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE TO STILL SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM DURING THAT TIME OF WHICH THERE'S NO LIMITATION. AND I MIGHT ADD, THAT THE LEGISLATURE, THEY HAVE EACH ITEM THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND PEOPLE SIGN UP SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ITEM. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT, SO... THAT'S MY MOTION. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: THEY CAN STILL SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM AS WELL, RIGHT? >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT THAT. >> Vaughn: MAKING SURE THEY CAN STILL SIGN UP ON ANY AGENDA ITEM. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. SO IT'S TWO OPPORTUNITIES. AT NOON AND THEN AT THE ITEM. COUNCILMAN SCOTT? >> Scott: ALL RIGHT. I'M IN? NOON, THREE MINUTES, GOOD, EXCEPT FOR ONE MINUTE IF YOU'RE ON -- ONLINE. AND I SUPPORT THE 90-MINUTE AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO Y'ALL THAT WE'VE CHANGED THIS FOUR TIMES, MAYBE, THREE TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR, SO IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT -- YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT AGAIN. IT'S JUST -- I'M FASCINATED IT WORKED AT THE COUNTY, I THINK, AND IT SEEMS TO WORK AT THE PORT, I'M TOLD. SO I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING IT. >> Barrera: IS THAT A SECOND. >> Scott: YEAH, I SECOND. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD TO HAVE A SECOND. >> Barre >> Cantu: WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. COUNCILWO MAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: JUST REAL QUICK, GIL, ON YOUR AMENDMENT, THE ONE-MINUTE TO GO ONLINE, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE, IF YOU HAVE A CORPUS CHRISTIAN CITIZEN ONLINE, THEY STILL GET THEIR THREE. THAT WAS NOT YOUR INTENT. >> Hernandez: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Paxson: OKAY. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO NOW REBECCA, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE IN A REVERSE SCALE AMENDMENT, MOST RECENT TO GIL'S AND THEN THE ITEM. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT CAN YOU, FOR CLARIFICATION, COUNCILMAN BARRERA, YOUR AMENDMENT? >> Barrera: SO MY AMENDMENT IS TO LIMIT THE NOON HOUR TO AN HOUR AND A HALF; HOWEVER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ANY INDIVIDUAL CAN SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING THE AGENDA ITEM, AND THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE UNLIMITED. SO IF 80 PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR ONE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, SO DURING THAT AGENDA ITEM, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD. BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS AN HOUR AND A HALF. >> Cantu: THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE AGENDA ITEM. >> Barrera: YOU'RE TALKING TO AN INDIVIDUAL THAT TESTIFIED AT 4:30 IN THE MORNING. >> Cantu: I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DID, ROLAND. >> Barrera: IF YOU DON'T CARE, DON'T BRING IT UP. >> Cantu: ARE WE GOING TO START? I'M READY, MAN. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, WE'RE NOT STARTING. WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING. SO IT'S 90 MINUTES, THREE MINUTES FOR ALL MINUS OUT OF TOWN. THAT'S IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. IS EVERYBODY CLEAR? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF AMENDMENTS. >> Lerma: SO ARE WE. >> Cantu: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> Hernandez: POINT OF ORDER, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE START VOTING ON THE AMENDMENTS. >> City Secretary: YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, IT'S -- COUNCILMAN, IT'S 90 MINUTES -- I'M SORRY, IT'S THREE MINUTES A PERSON, ONE MINUTE IF YOU'RE FROM OUT OF TOWN. >> Cantu: BUT ARE WE VOTING ALTOGETHER ON ONE THING OR -- >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, ALL TOGETHER. >> Barrera: ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M SORRY, YES. BUT COLLECTIVELY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO THE THIRD THING IS THE NOON. >> Cantu: THE 90 MINUTES. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY STATED IS THE 90 MINUTE LIMIT. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> [OFF MIC] >> Cantu: GOT YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. SO LET ME -- I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 20. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT, COME ON DOWN. >> SUZIE LUNA SALDAÑA, WHILE I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING IT BACK TO 12, BECAUSE I PREFER IT THAT WAY, I HAVE THE TIME TO SIT HERE ALL DAY AND WAIT FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH THE ACTION ITEMS, BUT NOW YOU'RE LIMITING THEM TO SIGNING UP FOR THE ITEM? THAT'S WHAT I CALL -- I HEARD MR. BARRERA SAY, LIMITED TO SIGN UP FOR THE ITEM. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT MRS. VAUGHN SAID, COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN SAID, WAS THAT IF YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE OR 10 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON THE SAME THING, THAT THEY CAN GET TOGETHER AND PICK ONE SPOKESPERSON. I DON'T HAVE A TIME OR PROBLEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE IF IT'S ARRANGED CORRECTLY, IT CAN BE DONE. IT'S DONE AT THE CCISD, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE CONTINGENCY, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO LIMIT PEOPLE WITH THEIR ABILITY TO TALK. TAKING MR. COUNCILMAN EVERETT'S EXAMPLE, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'VE GOT 30 PEOPLE AND YOU'VE GOT 32 AND THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET THOSE TWO PEOPLE SPEAK. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK BAD ON YOU. AND IT'S GOING TO -- THE FIRST THING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY IS YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. SO THIS IS A VERY STRONG CHANGE. MAKE SURE YOU KEEP IT RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. PUT YOUR -- THERE YOU GO. >> Roy: SUZIE, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A STATEMENT OF FACT. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IF YOU HAVE 32 PEOPLE, THEN ESSENTIALLY THEY WOULD GET LIKE TWO MINUTES AND 40 SECONDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THEY'D JUST SHORTEN THE TIME FRAME TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SPOKE, BUT IT WOULD SHORTEN IT FROM THREE, DOWN TO, LIKE, TWO MINUTES AND 40 SECONDS. >> WELL YOUR DISCUSSION IS NOT QUITE COMING ACROSS THAT WAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> Roy: THANK YOU. >> SCOTT [INDISCERNIBLE], NUECES COUNTY. GLAD Y'ALL ARE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THREE MINUTES. THE -- WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEMS, WE ARE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, Y'ALL HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS, WOULD Y'ALL STILL BE KEEPING THAT TO ONE MINUTE OR MOVING IT TO THREE MINUTES? BECAUSE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, AND I DON'T LIKE Y'ALL TO TALK ABOUT MOVING THE THREE MINUTES FOR PEOPLE YOU PROVIDE WATER FOR, BUT NO CONSIDERATION TO THE PEOPLE YOU TAKE THE WATER FROM, US RURAL RESIDENTS. Y'ALL NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL MOVING THINGS TO THREE MINUTES. ONE THING TO CONSIDER, YOU COULD POSSIBLY MOVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO NOON AND A 5:00 AND HAVE A SPLIT TIME LIMIT WHERE YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY, MAYBE 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR ON EACH SIDE, AND WHETHER YOU WANTED TO DO NOON OR DO FIVE, AND Y'ALL COULD STILL MEET EVERYONE'S TIME LIMITS THAT THEY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> CHRIS [INDISCERNIBLE], NONRESIDENT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BRINGING THIS BACK UP. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. CCW SERVES OVER -- AND THESE ARE NOT EXACT NUMBERS, CCW SERVES OVER 700,000 CUSTOMERS, SEVEN COUNTIES, BUT POPULATION OF YOUR VOTERS OR 317,000. SO THAT'S ONLY HALF OF WHAT'S REPRESENTED HERE BY THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE. AS SCOTT SAID, YOU REPRESENT THOSE THAT ARE TAKING AND NOT THOSE THAT YOU'RE TAKING FROM. SO THE OTHER THING -- AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH -- OR WHAT YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH ON HOW TO MAKE THAT WORKABLE, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH YOUR HOUR AND A HALF LIMIT, AND THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT. I'VE COME UP HERE PERSONALLY TO SPEAK, ALWAYS GIVEN THE ONE MINUTE, BUT I'M ALWAYS THE LAST OF THOSE TO GET TO SPEAK BECAUSE I'M AN OUTSIDE RESIDENT. I'M ALWAYS ON THAT BACK END OF THE LIST. AND I WAS HERE ON THAT NIGHT OF THE 85. AND SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT THAT, MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T EXCLUDE NONRESIDENTS BY THAT HOUR AND A HALF. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN? >> Paxson: I JUST WAS HOPING FOR A POINT OF CLARITY. MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR DISCUSSION IS THE THREE MINUTE EXTENDS TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COME TO THIS LOCATION, SO IT WOULDN'T EXCLUSIVELY BE THE COUNTIES WE SERVE, IT WOULD BE ANYBODY COMING UP TO THE MIC, SO THREE MINUTES TO THAT? >> Mayor Guajardo: UH-HUH. >> Paxson: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- TO TALK CITY BUSINESS YES. >> JASON HALE, CORPUS CHRISTI. I SUPPORT THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYONE. I THINK IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE WITH NORMAL, WORKING JOBS TO COME HERE AND WAIT FOR AN AGENDA ITEM TO COME UP. NOON IS CONVENIENT. I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THAT NOONTIME PERIOD, WE SHOULD ALSO OPEN UP A SECOND TIME PERIOD FOR PEOPLE WITH NORMAL WORKING SCHEDULES TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AFTER WORK, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE RELYING ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO COME IN OR WAIT, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M UP FOR THE SIMPLEST, MOST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION, BUT IT'S -- YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS PRETTY HARD TO FIGURE OUT. BUT, YEAH, I THINK HAVING A NOON AND A 5:00 LIKE SCOTT RECOMMENDED WOULD BE GOOD. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. HALE. >> MATTHEW RANKIN, CORPUS CHRISTI. FIRST, JUST TALKING LEGALITIES, SINCE NOBODY BROUGHT IT UP, YOU HAVE TO DO THE THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S -- BY MY COUNT, FIVE CITIES IN THIS STATE WHO HAVE SEPARATE TIME LIMIT FOR NONRESIDENTS. EVERY ONE OF THEM ALREADY HAS A LAWSUIT FILED OR PENDING AGAINST THEM, INCLUDING CORPUS, THE LAWSUIT'S BEING WRITTEN UP TODAY. SO IF YOU GUYS CHANGE IT TO THREE MINUTES, DON'T HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LAWSUIT ANYMORE. IT WOULD BE NICE. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT PROBABLY LIKE, WHAT, 40 OR 50 PEOPLE READY TO JOIN IN ON IT FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING FROM ALL THE HAPPENINGS OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS TALKING DESAL. SO MOVE IT TO THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY. MOVING TO ONE MINUTE TO NONRESIDENT OVER THE PHONE, WHAT IDIOT'S GOING TO SAY THEY'RE NOT A CORPUS CHRISTI RESIDENT WHEN THEY'RE CALLING IN OVER THE PHONE, SO GOOD LUCK ENFORCING THAT. AS FAR AS WHEN TO HAVE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME THAT MUCH, BUT THE COMPROMISE IS TO DO BOTH. SO HAVE A NOON SESSION WITH A TIME LIMIT AND HAVE AN EVENING AFTERNOON SESSION WITH NO TIME LIMIT, AND YOU GET TO SPEAK AT ONE OR THE OTHER. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. YOU DON'T GET TO SPEAK TWICE, YOU GET ONE OR THE OTHER, SO YOU GUYS CAN LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR NOON SO YOU CAN GET TO OTHER BUSINESS. ANYBODY WHO CAN'T MAKE THAT OR THE 80, 7080% OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE WHO CAN'T BE HERE AT NOON CAN SHOW UP FOR THE AFTERNOON AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. SO THAT WORKS. LEGALLY, MAYOR THE LIMIT TIME LIMIT IF TOO MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THAT USUALLY PISSES EVERYBODY OFF, SO JUST ADDING MORE TIME AND LETTING EVERYBODY SPEAK AS LONG AS THEY WANT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY. THAT'S WHAT I'D GO WITH. BUT, YEAH, LEGALLY, IF YOU HAVE A 90-MINUTE PERIOD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT UNDER STATUTE, THE MAYOR CAN JUST MAKE THE CALL. 90 PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, EVERYBODY GETS ONE MINUTE. YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT INTO THE STATUTE. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AS FAR AS CITY-RELATED BUSINESS, YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK ON THAT. IF ALIEN GUY WANTS TO COME BACK UP HERE. HE COULD SAY HE'S JOHN LUKE PICARD, COME FROM THE FUTURE TO HELP MAKE CONTACT WITH THE VULCANS ON HIS COMMENT. AND TO MAKE IT CITY-RELATED BUSINESS, ALL HE HAS TO SAY IS HE WANTS US, THE CITY, TO PARTNER WITH ELON MUSK TO BUILD THE WORK CORE IN THE STATE AQUARIUM AND NOW IT'S CITY BUSINESS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE WONDERING IF SOMEBODY SHOULD BE SPEAKING OR NOT. SEE YOU LATER. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> Cantu: MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MILES REAL QUICK. MILES, SIMPLE YES OR NO, LEGALLY, CAN WE -- DO WE HAVE TO DO THREE MINUTES, LEGALLY? YES OR NO? >> Risley: NO. >> Cantu: OKAY. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT TIME FRAME? 90 MINUTES, AN HOUR AND A HALF OF A TIME FRAME FOR SPEAKERS, IS THAT LEGAL? >> Risley: YOU CAN DO -- YOU CAN DO A 90-MINUTE TIME FRAME THAT YOU DIVIDE UP WITHIN THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU WISH. >> Cantu: THAT'S LEGAL? YES? >> Risley: THAT'S LEGAL, YES. >> Cantu: THANK YOU. >> MARILYNNA GARZA, DISTRICT ONE. SO THE TIMING ON THIS, YIKES. SEVERAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, POINTED OUT SOME OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNS MONTHS AGO, A LONG TIME AGO, AND I EVEN REACHED OUT TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL AND I EXPRESSED TO THEM THAT I WAS, LIKE, HEY, WE SHOULD REALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE IT LEAVES THE MAYOR LEGALLY KIND OF HANGING OUT A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU MOVED THE TIME LIKE THAT. WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HASH THIS OUT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT HERE WE ARE AGAIN. THE TIMING ON THIS LOOKS BAD. THE TIMING LOOKS BAD, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S GOING TO BE SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT WATER ISSUES, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANT TO LIMIT -- IT SEEMS, PERCEIVED, THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT PUBLIC INPUT. AND THE SENSATIONALISM THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START BOMBARDING US FROM CALIFORNIA IS LUDICROUS. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA THAT THEY'RE WORKING CLASS AND THEY WANT TO CALL IN AND THEY'RE FROM SINTON AND THEY HAVE LIMITED MOBILITY AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR WELLS DRYING UP, YOU KNOW. AND YOU CAN'T EVEN VERIFY IF THE PERSON ON THE PHONE IS FROM CALIFORNIA OR NOT. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING UP TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE. I JUST CAME FROM MY HOUSE BECAUSE I HAVE THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO SIT AND WATCH THE CIRCUS AND I RUSHED TO GET DOWN HERE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY DOES. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE CALL ME WHEN THEY HAVE TIME AND SAY, THIS IS UNDEMOCRATIC, THIS IS LEGALLY GOING TO PUT YOU IN SOME BINDS HERE WITH TOMA. SO BEFORE YOU START MAKING AMENDMENTS AND ALL THIS STUFF, YOU CAN MAKE THESE MOTIONS AND YOU CAN PASS THEM ALONG, BUT IT COULD BE ILLEGAL, THIS COULD BE LEGALLY LEAVING YOU OUT. HOW IS THAT GOING TO LOOK WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES, WHICH THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE, AND YOU'RE LIMITING IT TO 90 MINUTES OR YOU'RE CUTTING IT UP. AND PEOPLE WHO CAME, DROVE A WHILE, THEY'RE HAVING TO GET THREE MINUTES AND DO IT IN ONE MINUTE, NOT EVERYONE'S LIKE ME WHO HAS THE PRACTICE TO DO THIS AND DO IT ON THE FLY. I'M DOING THIS ON THE FLY. BECAUSE THIS IS HUGE. DON'T JUST WILLY-NILLY PASS THINGS, BECAUSE YOU COULD BE LEGALLY PUTTING YOUR BUTT OR YOUR MAYOR'S BUTT OR THE CITY'S BUTT OUT IN LEGAL JEOPARDY. WATCH OUT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1. THERE'S THIS THING CALLED THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. I'M NOT SURE WHY IN THIS ROOM IT IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU -- EVERYONE, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WILL SUPERCEDE ANY CITY ORDINANCE. WE SIT HERE AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS LISTENING TO ASININE STORIES OF SOMEBODY'S MOTHER OVER HERE AND KIDS OVER HERE AND THE WASTE OF TIME, AND I WANT TO BE REALLY HONEST. IF YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS THE DAY OF THE VOTE, THAT'S ALARMING TO ME. THAT'S EXTREMELY ALARMING TO ME. YOU SHOULD BE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK. NOW, IF YOU'RE ON THE FENCE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, LISTENING TO YOUR COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT HINDER YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION. AND I -- IT IS UNCONSTITUTION ALTO PUT A TIME CAP. AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, WE ARE CORPUS CHRISTIANS, WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE LEGISLATURE, WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SAN ANTONIO, WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AUSTIN OR THE PORT OR THE COUNTY. WE CARE WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE AT THIS -- ON THIS DAIS. AND WE EXPECT TO BE HEARD. WE EXPECT TO BE HEARD EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE TAX BRACKET HERE. AND TO EVEN SUGGEST THERE TO BE A TIME CAP IS TYRANNY, TYRANNY. NOVEMBER IS COMING UP VERY, VERY SOON. VERY SOON. DO THE RIGHT THING. THREE MINUTES, EVERYONE. NO TIME CAP. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> HI, ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3, GOSH, I'VE MISSED ALL OF Y'ALL. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO WE GET THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC AND THEN CAN WE SPEAK ON THE SAME TOPIC THEN ON THE NEXT THREE MINUTES? BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST -- JUST EACH -- JUST THE AGENDA ITEM AND THEN THREE MINUTES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> OKAY. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND AS FAR AS ONLY CITY-RELATED BUSINESS, I SAW ALIEN GUY AND NOW I'M NOT GOING TO TELL WHICH ONE OF YOU THEY SAID IS -- THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE WITH Y'ALL, BUT ONE OF Y'ALL IS GETTING ON THE SPACESHIP WITH HIM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TELL Y'ALL, SO... I'LL LET YOU KNOW LATER. COUNCILMA N CANTU? >> Cantu: SO THEY COULD TALK ON PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE ON THE AGENDA? >> Mayor Guajardo: NO. >> Cantu: THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST TOLD HER. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, WE SAID WE CAN'T -- PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S CITY RELATED. CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. PUBLIC COMMENT, CITY RELATED OR AGENDA -- AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT THEN IF YOU SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA ITEM, NO LATER ON, YOU CAN SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM. >> Roy: NO. >> Cantu: CAN'T DO THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU CANNOT DO BOTH, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM AT THE ITEM OR AT NOON. >> City Secretary: YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: NOT BOTH. >> Cantu: SO YOU CAN SPEAK ONE TIME ON THE ITEM ITSELF. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Cantu: JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, BECAUSE I THINK SHE THINKS SHE COULD SPEAK TWICE ON THE SAME ITEM. SO JUST ONCE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK BUT ONLY ONE ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM. >> Cantu: GOT IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> JOSHUA FREDERICK, CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT TO NOON. I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE WE MOVED IT TO 5:30. I THOUGHT NOON WAS THE CORRECT TIME BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE VOTE ON THINGS. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THEM RALLY AGAINST THINGS THEY ARE PASSION ABOUT AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED. I REMEMBER WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 THINGS HAVE GONE BY AND THE PUBLIC HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF THEY WEREN'T HERE IN PERSON TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THOSE ITEMS, THEY WERE DONE A DISSERVICE BY IT. I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN PERSON. I THINK THAT'S BRILLIANT. I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF AN HOUR AND A HALF LIMIT OR DIVIDING THAT TIME UP IF YOU HAVE PLANS, STATEMENTS TO MAKE, IF YOU HAVE AN 'EM PASSIONED SPEECH, IT'S HARD TO GO, OH, MAN, THERE'S 75 PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND NOW I HAVE SHORTENED TIME. I DON'T FIND THAT APPROPRIATE. IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO, THEN I WOULD SAY -- BECAUSE THE CITY DOES HAVE VERY IMPORTANT BUSINESS TO BE DONE. THERE ARE HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS HERE THAT ARE SITTING AROUND WHILE THE PUBLIC IS MAKING THOSE COMMENTS, THEN I WOULD SAY HAVING A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT 5:30 AS WELL. AND, OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO SPEAK ONCE ON ANY GIVEN AGENDA ITEM AND ONCE AT FOR THE GENERAL COMMENT LIKE WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. FREDERICK. ANYONE ELSE? >> HI, MELANIE SANCHEZ, CORPUS CHRISTI. AGAIN, SCHOOLWORKER HERE, THE 12:00 THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER DOESN'T WORK FOR SCHOOLWORKERS LIKE ME. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. THAT'S THE SAME CASE FOR SEVERAL PEOPLE IN SEVERAL FIELDS. THIS IS GETTING CONVOLUTED VERY FAST, AND I WOULD SUGGEST NOT VOTING ON THIS RIGHT THIS MOMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO BE HAD AND THINGS NEED TO BE WRITTEN DOWN BEFORE THAT DECISION COMES. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTED ON ITEM NUMBER 20. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, I BELIEVE ON THE ITEM TO ALLOW THREE MINUTES FOR ALL, NOONTIME -- >> City Secretary: THERE'S TWO AMENDMENTS, MAYOR, SO WE WOULD TAKE THE AMENDMENTS FIRST. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS MADE BY MR. BARRERA, AND IT WAS -- OR THE LAST AMENDMENT, I GUESS, WAS MADE BY MR. BARRERA, AND IT WAS TO LIMIT -- TO PUT A CAP ON THE GENERAL -- THE 12 NOON PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, THAT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO ONE AND A HALF HOURS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT WE WOULD VOTE ON. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT ONE. >> City Secretary: YES, WE DID. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO WE'RE VOTING ON JUST PUTTING A 90-MINUTE CAP ON -- >> City Secretary: RIGHT. AND TO ACHIEVE THAT CAP, AS MR. ROY STATED, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WOULD DIVIDE THAT TIME, RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE MINUTES, BUT TO ACHIEVE THAT CAP, WE WOULD DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS BY THAT TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH -- HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NUMBER OF SPEAKERS WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> City Secretary: DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, THAT AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. EVERYONE PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. AND THAT FAILS. >> City Secretary: OKAY. >> City Secretary: ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE NEXT AMENDMENT WAS TO ADD "IN PERSON." AND THAT WOULD BE -- MR. CANTU, YOU STATED -- YOU STATED THE MOTION WAS A MOTION TO -- I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD TO REQUIRE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE AT 12 NOON AND ALLOW ALL SPEAKERS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THE AMENDMENT, MR. HERNANDEZ MADE AN AMENDMENT TO ADD IN, ALLOW ALL IN-PERSON REGISTERED SPEAKERS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> Mayor Guajardo: GO AHEAD. >> Roy: I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS, BUT I THINK THE THING IS THAT IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, WHETHER YOU'RE FROM SINTON OR WHEREVER YOU'RE AT, DON'T PUT THE SINTON PEOPLE AT THE END OR -- JUST PUT THEM ALL IN THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> City Secretary: THERE'S SOME WORDING IN HERE THAT WASN'T SAID BY MR. CANTU ABOUT REGARDLESS OF RESIDENCY, RIGHT, IS THAT -- SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SORT BY -- IT'S JUST WHOEVER -- IN THE ORDIER OF SIGNUP, IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT, IT DOESN'T MATTER RESIDENCY. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> City Secretary: AND OUT OF STATE. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, THAT'S THE ONE MINUTE. >> City Secretary: THEY STILL GET ONE MINUTE IF THEY'RE OUT OF STATE, AND THAT'S NOT IN PERSON, BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE. OKAY. GOT IT. SO ON THE AMENDMENT TO ADD "IN PERSON" THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON NOW. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO COUNCILMAN, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? >> City Secretary: IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE, MAYOR. >> Mayor Guajardo: GO AHEAD. SO IT'S -- >> City Secretary: JUST TO ADD "IN PERSON." >> Mayor Guajardo: "IN PERSON," THREE MINUTES. OUT OF STATE, 1. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE ON THAT. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. >> City Secretary: OKAY. SO THEN FINALLY, THE LAST THING IS THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. SO IT'S GOING TO STATE MOTION TO CH REQUIRE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEGIN AT 12 NOON AND ALLOW ALL IN-PERSON REGISTERED SPEAKERS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE DIDN'T -- MR. CANTU, YOU DIDN'T STATE THE RESIDENCY OR THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE JANUARY 27TH, BUT -- SO I'M JUST STOPPING IT THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Cantu: CAN I PUT JANUARY 27TH. >> City Secretary: YOU DIDN'T SAY IT? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU WANT THOSE TWO THINGS, RIGHT, TO START THE 27TH. >> Cantu: RIGHT, NEXT WEEK. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, THE NEXT MEETING IS THE 27TH. >> City Secretary: YEAH, BUT HE DIDN'T SAY IT. COUNCILMA N, PUT YOUR -- >> City Secretary: SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. HE DID NOT SAY WHAT THE -- >> Mayor Guajardo: YOUR SPEAKER. JUST PUT IT -- TURN YOUR SPEAKER ON REAL QUICK. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. >> City Secretary: BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT WAS WRITTEN, BUT YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT RIGHT? >> Cantu: YES, MA'AM. >> City Secretary: SO HE'S GOOD AND WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT STARTING ON JANUARY 27TH. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENTED MOTION IS. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN, OR IS EVERYBODY GOOD? ONE MORE TIME? OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO READ MEXICO TO REQUIRE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEGIN AT 12:00 P.M. AND ALLOW ALL REGISTER -- ALL IN-PERSON REGISTERED SPEAKERS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, REGARDLESS OF RESIDENCY EFFECTIVE JANUARY 27TH, 2026. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. MOVING ON. ITEM 21 WAS TABLED, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 22, THAT IS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE TYPE B CORPORATION BUSINESS INCENTIVE DPREEMENT WITH NEXT SPORTS COMPANY LLC INCLUDING RELATED OPERATIONAL ISSUES, ACTIONS INVOLVING UTILITIES ACCESS, AND THE FILING OF CRIMINAL CHARGES, AND TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE CITY STAFF AS REQUESTED BY COUNCILMEMBERS ERIC CANTU, SYLVIA CAMPOS AND CAROLYN VAUGHN. WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT? COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: SO I BROUGHT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR A FEW REASONS. ONE REASON IS THE OWNER OF THE NEXT SPORTS COMPANY, LLC, GOT CHARGED WITH TAMPERING -- MESSING WITH THE WATER METERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Cantu: GETTING WATER DIRECTLY FROM THE WATER PIPE, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Cantu: SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE PAID FOR THE PERMIT, HE GOT THE METER INSTALLED, SUPPOSEDLY, ALL THIS GOOD STUFF. AND I GUESS HIS CONTRACTOR GOT IN THE WATER SUPPLY AND THEY BLAMED HIM FOR STEALING WATER AND FILED CHARGES AGAINST HIM. MY -- I WANT TO KNOW WHEN DID WE START FILING CHARGES AGAINST PEOPLE GETTING WATER -- STEALING WATER FROM CORPUS CHRISTI? I KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT GET THEIR WATER DISCONNECTED AND THEY PROBABLY CUT THE LOCK TO TURN THE WATER BACK ON AND WE JUST BILL THEM FOR THE WATER. AND THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT HE HAS TRIED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A CHECK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FIVE OR $10,000 FOR WATER, AND THEY REFUSED TO TAKE HIS CHECK. THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S DOING A LOT OF GREAT STUFF IN MY DISTRICT AND THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. HE'S SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THE SPORTS COMPLEX FOR CHILDREN, KIDS, TEENAGERS, SOCCER FIELDS, GO-CARTS, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. IT'S LOOKING NICE. THAT SIDE OF TOWN NEEDS SOMETHING GREAT LIKE THAT. FOR US TO FILE CHARGES AGAINST HIM, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT. AND THE TYPE B BOARD, MY UNDERSTANDING AND HOW I FEEL IS AFTER HIM BECAUSE THE FACT THAT IF THESE CHARGES STICK, THEY COULD TAKE HIS $1.8 MILLION AWAY. I JUST FEEL THAT IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING WITH THE BOARD, TYPE B BOARD YESTERDAY, KNOWING THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AND THEY COULDN'T POSTPONE IT. THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND VOTED TO TAKE HIS FUNDING AWAY AND TAKE HIS MONEY AWAY. $1.8MILLION. KNOWING THAT TODAY WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. DISTURBS ME. I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND EXCUSES. I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WAS GETTING, ASKING FOR EXTENSIONS TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. I GET IT. LOOK, SMALL BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW ARE STRUGGLING. WORKERS, FINDING WORKERS TO FINISH YOUR PROJECT, CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE GETTING PICKED UP. IT'S TOUGH RIGHT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT ON TIME WITH HIS PROJECTS BUT TELL ME WHO'S NOT ON TIME WITH THEIR PROJECTS. I KNOW THE CITY'S NOT. YOU GUYS ARE NOT ALWAYS ON TIME WITH THE CITY PROJECTS. AND I JUST FEEL HE'S BEING A TARGET ON IT. AND NOW THEY TOOK AWAY $1.8 MILLION FROM HIM, TO A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, WHO IS TRYING TO BETTER CORPUS CHRISTI, TRYING TO BETTER THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN BECAUSE THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN GETS OVERLOOKED. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT'S RIGHT. WHY PUT A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, WHO HAS DONE A LOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WHO IS A DOCTOR, AND FILED CHARGES AGAINST HIM. YOU KNOW, IT BLOWS MY MIND. I MEAN, I GET IT. WHAT HE DID, WHAT HIS CONTRACTOR PROBABLY DID WAS WRONG. TAPPED INTO THE WATER SUPPLY, GET IT. BUT FILING CHARGES AGAINST HIM, KNOWING DAMN WELL THAT HE'S NOT THE ONE WHO WENT AND DID IT HIMSELF. IT WAS HIS CONTRACTOR. Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE CHARGED HIS CONTRACTOR. YOU KNOW, WHY HIM? YOU KNOW, AND I JUST FEEL, YOU KNOW -- AND I TALKED TO MIKE DICE ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY. I WAS TOLD THAT THE DEPARTMENT WENT OVER THERE TO SHUT HIM DOWN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE NO PERMITS FOR BUILDING SOME BLEACHERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S ANOTHER THING, RED TAPE TO GET PERMITS. I WISH WE COULD JUST PAY FOR PERMITS AND GO ON WITH OUR BUSINESS. I JUST WANTED AN UPDATE AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT THESE CHARGES, MILES. I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT. I THINK IT'S B.S. AND I THINK WE SHOULD DROP THOSE CHARGES. COME ON, Y'ALL ALREADY TOOK HIS $1.8 MILLION. I DON'T THINK THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FOR THE $1.8 MILLION. CAN HE CONTEST IT? WHAT IS THE OPTIONS? , YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE $1.8 MILLION IS GOING TO GO TO ANOTHER PARKING LOT AND THIS $1.8 MILLION IS GOING TO GO TO A NICE SPORTS COMPLEX FOR CHILDREN ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THAT WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN FOR KIDS. SO CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIS CHARGES MILES? CAN THE CITY SEND A LETTER TO THE D.A. AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT HIS MONEY, DROP THE CHARGES, WHATEVER THE CASE IS? >> Risley: WE NORMALLY -- FIRST OFF, THOSE CHARGES WEREN'T FILED WITH INVOLVEMENT OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT DID NOT INITIATE THOSE CHARGES. THEY GET INVESTIGATED BY POLICE AND THE POLICE FILE CHARGES ON A CLASS B OR HIGHER MISDEMEANOR DIRECTLY TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, GENERALLY. >> Cantu: BUT YOU GUYS FILED A COMPLAINT CORRECT? THE WATER DEPARTMENT FILED A COMPLAINT? >> Risley: THERE ARE THREE WATER-RELATED COMPLAINED FILED AS CLASS C MISDEMEANORS AND THOSE ARE BEING INVESTIGATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR DROUGHT-RELATED ACTIVITIES. >> Cantu: THE CITY FILED THE COMPLAINTS THOUGH, RIGHT? >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE FILED -- >> Risley: CLASS C MISDEMEANORS YES. >> Zanoni: IT WAS A TICKET. >> Cantu: WHEN SOMEBODY GETS DISCONNECTED FOR NOT PAYING THEIR UTILITY BILL AND THEY GO AND CUT THE LOCK BECAUSE THEY'RE TAMPERING WITH THE METER, THEY'RE CUTTING THE LOCK. DO YOU FILE CHARGES AGAINST THEM? >> Risley: NO. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE ENTIRELY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT'S A GREATER LEVEL OF MISDEMEANOR THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY DEAL WITH IN OUR OFFICE. THAT'S THE POLICE FILE THOSE CHARGES DIRECTLY WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IT IS ENHANCED BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A PUBLIC UTILITY. IT'S BREAKING THE CITY'S PROPERTY RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF A PUBLIC UTILITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT A HIGHER-LEVEL MISDEMEANOR AND GETTING FILED WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. BUT IT DID NOT COME THROUGH US. >> Cantu: WELL, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT IT CAME THROUGH THE CITY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. SOMEBODY FILED A COMPLAINT. LOOK, I GET IT. YOU BREAK THE CRIME, YOU GET CHARGED, I GET IT. BUT THE DOCTOR DID NOT GO AND DO IT HIMSELF. THAT JUST BLOWS MY MIND THAT WE FILED CHARGES AGAINST HIM. AND ME, PERSONALLY, IT'S A WITCH HUNT BECAUSE TYPE B BOARD WANTS TO TAKE HIS MONEY AWAY. MY PERSONAL OPINION, THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND IT AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE'S TRYING TO BETTER THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AND HE'S TRYING TO DO THE BEST AS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT HE HAS RIGHT NOW, WITH THE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WORKERS, MONEY-WISE, EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, AND I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW -- AND THEN FOR TYPE B TO PASS IT YESTERDAY, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THIS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, I MEAN, IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND. >> Risley: KEEP IN MIND THE CITY -- THE WAY THE LAW IS SET UP IS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ESSENTIALLY VETO POWER OVER TYPE B EXPENDITURES PRIOR TO THEM BEING MADE. THAT'S PART OF THE REFORMS MADE FOLLOWING THE HUTTO HIPPO THAT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ TALKED ABOUT. >> Cantu: SO THE DECISION THE BOARD DID YESTERDAY, CAN WE DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT DECISION? >> Risley: THOSE PROGRAMS AND EXPENDITURES HAVE TO BE APPROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY THE CITY COUNCIL. BY THE GOVERNING BODY. HOWEVER -- >> Cantu: SO THAT CONTRACT IS COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL? >> Risley: ONCE THE PROGRAMS ARE IN PLACE, THAT CONTRACT IS WITH THE TYPE B CORPORATION. IT'S NOT THE CITY, IT'S A SEPARATE CORPORATION. YOU APPOINT THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY SERVE AT WILL. BUT IT IS A SEPARATE CORPORATE ENTITY. WITHIN THEIR DISCRETION. >> Zanoni: YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, COUNCILMAN. THEY TERMINATED THE CONTRACT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO REINSTATE IT. ONLY THE TYPE B BOARD CAN. >> Cantu: WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH NOT ACCEPTING HIS MONEY? >> Zanoni: DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? WERE WE AWARE OF A CHECK HE WAS GOING TO GIVE US FOR $10,000? JUST A SECOND. DID ANYBODY GIVE YOU A CHECK, DAN McGINN? >> [OFF MIC] COURT PROCESS DETERMINED -- >> Zanoni: HE WAS TRYING TO PAY HIS TICKET TO YOU AND NOT THE JUDGE? >> YEAH. >> Cantu: IT WASN'T THE TICKET. IT WAS FOR THE WATER HE SUPPOSEDLY STOLE. HE WAS TRYING TO PAY FOR THAT WATER. HE WAS TRYING TO ASK YOU GUYS HOW MUCH MONEY HE OWED Y'ALL AND Y'ALL NEVER GAVE HIM A PRICE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN E SESSION. I REMEMBER EXACTLY. >> Zanoni: WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BECAUSE THERE'S NO METER. THEY ILLEGALLY TAPPED INTO AN ACTIVE LINE WITH NO METER. DID HE TALK TO YOU, DAN? >> IN DISCUSSIONS , YEAH. THERE WAS AN OFFER OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT BUT WE HAD NO ABILITY -- LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NO METER. THERE'S NO ABILITY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WATER WAS TAKEN OR NOT. IT HAD TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT. IN FACT, HE HAD COURT TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MUNICIPAL COURT WOULD DETERMINE AN AMOUNT THAT NEEDED TO BE PAID. >> Zanoni: OKAY. SO IF [LAPSE IN AUDIO] IT WOULDN'T HAVE RELIEVED HIM OF HIS MUNICIPAL COURT PROCEEDINGS, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> Cantu: SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, MILES? SO HE GETS SCREWED WITH HIS $1.8 MILLION. HE GETS SCREWED BECAUSE HE HAS CHARGES FILED AGAINST HIM. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO FOR HIM? LIKE ONE OR THE OTHER? WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THIS GUY? HE'S A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER FROM CORPUS CHRISTI INVESTING IN THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. >> Risley: I'M CAREFUL TO TALK ABOUT EVIDENCE IN A LIVE CRIMINAL CASE THAT'S EXISTING. I WOULD NORMALLY RECOMMEND -- >> Cantu: IT'S A MISDEMEANOR CHARGE. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. >> Risley: I WOULD RECOMMEND ANY CRIMINAL MATTER BE DEALT WITH IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND THE EVIDENCE BE RECEIVED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO ANY RELATION OF THE EVIDENCE -- AND THAT'S NORMALLY A LAW ENFORCEMENT MATTER THAT INVOLVES THE POLICE AND INVOLVES THE DISCRETION OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. AND IT'S A STATE LAW MATTER, IN THIS CASE. >> Zanoni: JUST TO MAYBE CLARIFY, THERE WERE TWO TYPES OF PENALTIES OR INFRACTIONS. A MUNICIPAL COURT TICKET -- >> Risley: IT'S A CRIMINAL CASE. I BELIEVE IT WAS A TYPE OF CRIMINAL MISCHIEF BUT I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH TO DO THAT. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE RELAYED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE IT'S A CRIMINAL MATTER . >> Zanoni: THERE'S TWO CATEGORIES OF ISSUES THAT HAPPENED. WE DO HAVE TICKETS. YOU ASKED THE QUESTION HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN CHARGING PEOPLE WHO STEAL WATER. FOREVER. >> Risley: ALL CITIES DO THAT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S A LONG STANDING PRACTICE. HE WAS ISSUED A TICKET FOR WATERING ON A DAY HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WATERING. >> Risley: THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. >> Zanoni: ONE ISSUE WAS SIMPLE INFRACTIONS, HANDLED THAT IN COURT. THAT COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OF US, WATERING ON A DAY YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO WATER. BUT THE MORE SEVERE ONE THAT COULD HAVE CRIPPLED THE ENTIRE REGION'S WATER SUPPLY, IS ACTIVELY TAPPING INTO THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM WITHOUT ANY PERMISSION. IF YOU MAY RECALL, PRIOR TO SEVEN YEARS AGO, THE CITY COULDN'T USE OUR WATER SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH DISTRIBUTION. THAT'S A BAD SCENARIO ANYWHERE, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Cantu: I DON'T LIKE HOW HE'S BEING TREATED. I DON'T SEE YOU TREATING ANYONE ELSE LIKE THAT. THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. THIS IS NOT VALERO OR THE STATE AQUARIUM. I DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE'S BEING TREATED AND IT'S NOT RIGHT. >> Zanoni: WE UNDERSTAND. WE'RE NOT TREATING HIM ANY DIFFERENTLY. IF SOMEBODY TAPS INTO THE WATER SYSTEM ILLEGALLY -- >> Cantu: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT TAKING HIS MONEY WAY. >> Zanoni: THE TYPE B BOARD DIDN'T THAT. DAN McGINN WAS THERE YESTERDAY AND HE RECOMMENDED AGAINST THEM TAKING ANY ACTION YESTERDAY. ONE, HE TOLD THE TYPE B BOARD, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. TWO, THEY WERE GOING TO MUNICIPAL COURT TODAY AND THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES THERE. THE STAFF PERSON, DAN McGINN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, SAID DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION TO THE TYPE B BOARD. THEY LISTENED BUT TOOK ACTION ANYWAY. SO WE'VE BEEN HANDLING THIS CASE, JUST LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER CASE. AND WE DIDN'T VOTE TO TAKE THE MONEY AWAY. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THE TYPE B BOARD DID. >> Cantu: SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, CORRECT? >> Zanoni: THE ONLY THING I THINK YOU COULD DO IS IF YOU WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE THAT YOU CONTROL. BUT THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T CONTROL THE TYPE A OR TYPE B MONIES. THE BOARD DOES, THAT YOU APPOINT. IF YOU FOUND -- IF WE COULD IDENTIFY OTHER FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE DISCRETION OVER, THIS COUNCIL, THEN YOU COULD DO SOMETHING THERE. WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH YOU ALL TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> Cantu: DOES HE HAVE ANY RESOURCES, RECOURSE TO SUE? >> Zanoni: HE COULD SUE. WE COULD GO INTO MEDIATION WITH THE TYPE B BOARD. RIGHT MILES? >> Risley: THE TYPE B BOARD IS NOT A MERE BOARD, IT IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE CORPORATION. SO JUST LIKE THE TYPE A CORPORATION IS A SEPARATE CORPORATION. AND BEING SEPARATE -- >> Cantu: NEXT WEEK I COULD SUBMIT A MEMO TO CHANGE THE BOARD MEMBERS IF I WANTED TO, CORRECT? >> Risley: YES. >> Cantu: AT ANY GIVEN TIME? >> Risley: THEY SERVE AT WILL. >> Cantu: OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY POSITION THAT WE NEED TO TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY AND THE SAME, RIGHT? THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION, NEXT SPORTS COMPANY -- >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: HAD SOME ISSUES AROUND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEIR CONTRACTOR TAKING WATER. THEY HAD SOME DELAYS. BUT THIS IS NOT -- I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES HERE. BUT I DON'T RECALL THIS BEING AN ISSUE -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECALL US GOING AFTER, WHEN SAME CANE BEEF OWED US $60,000 IN UNPAID UTILITY BILLS. WE HAVE -- WE'VE GOT TO TREAT PEOPLE THE SAME . AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK THINGS WERE ADJUDICATED BEFORE THE FUNDING WAS REMOVED FROM THIS COMPANY. I THINK ALL THE WORK SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFOREHAND. THE MUNICIPAL COURT SHOULD HAVE BEEN -- ALL THE LEGAL QUESTIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND COMPLETED PRIOR TO THIS COMING TO TYPE B. WHO PUT THIS ON THEIR AGENDA? >> Zanoni: THEY DID. THE TYPE B BOARD PUT IT ON. EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, WE ADVISED THEM -- WE RECOMMENDED THAT YESTERDAY SAYING WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DELAY ON ANY VOTE. AND THEY LISTENED BUT THEY VOTED ANYWAY. WE DON'T VOTE, NOR DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO VOTE. >> Hernandez: I THINK WE NEED TO RECOMMEND THEM TO REVIEW THIS OR HOLD OFF UNTIL EVERYTHING'S ADJUDICATED. >> Zanoni: YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THEM. WE KNEW TODAY THAT DR. KINGSLEY WOULD BE IN MUNICIPAL COURT TODAY. HE'S THERE TODAY. THE POLICE CHIEF HAS TO FINALIZE HIS REVIEW OF THIS. >> Hernandez: THAT'S FINE. LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY -- >> Zanoni: WE DO. >> Hernandez: AND LET THE PROCESS GO THROUGH BEFOREHAND. NOW, I DON'T KNOW, WHEN THEY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO CO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? >> Zanoni: IT'S ONLY WITH THE TYPE B BOARD. >> Hernandez: WE CAN ONLY APPROVE THE AGREEMENT BUT IF THEY CANCEL THE AGREEMENT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BLESS. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: THAT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S A FUND. JUST LIKE WHEN WE APPOINT TO, YOU KNOW, THE RTA. ONCE THEY'RE APPOINTED, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUNDING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC SEPARATIONS OF POWER THAT ARE GOOD IN SOME CASES, BAD IN OTHERS. ULTIMATELY, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CONVERSATION THAT US INDIVIDUALLY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE WITH TYPE B BOARD MEMBERS TO KIND OF ADDRESS HOW THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER DUE PROCESS. ULTIMATELY, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO CONDEMN SOMEONE OR REVERT ANY OF THEIR ISSUES UNTIL EVERYTHING IS KIND OF SETTLED. RIGHT? UNTIL WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A LAWSUIT, THEN THE LAWSUIT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND COMPLETED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. IT'S JUST YOU'RE NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, KIND OF THING. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT TYPE B DECIDED TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HEARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION THEY HAD. SO I DON'T WANT TO CONDEMN THEM EITHER BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, BOTH INTERNALLY AND WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT BEFORE MAKING THESE KIND OF DECISIONS. >> Zanoni: THE "WE" IS NOT US, COUNCILMAN. THE TYPE B ELECTED YESTERDAY, AFTER WE TOLD THEM WE WOULD RECOMMEND DELAYING ANY VOTE. BUT THEY LISTENED AND THEY DECIDED TO VOTE ANYWAY. >> Hernandez: OKAY. LIKE I SAID -- >> Zanoni: I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW. >> Hernandez: I WILL REACH OUT TO INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS. >> Zanoni: YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST FOR YOU ALL. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WOULD SUGGEST, PETER, IF WE CAN REACH OUT, WE CAN, IF THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE CHAIR. BECAUSE I THINK THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE. AND THEY CAN WRITE IT OUT OR HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT, BUT JUST INFORM US. >> Zanoni: WE CAN PUT THAT REQUEST IN TO THEM AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM, JUST LIKE WE DO THE CITY COUNCIL. REGARDLESS OF WHO DID IT, THERE WAS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND A MUNICIPAL COURT OFFENSE. SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE. THE CITY STAFF DOES NOT LOOK THE OTHER WAY, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT, WRITE THEM UP, ISSUE THEM A TICKET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORDS ARE. BUT WE CAN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BREAK THE LAW, ESPECIALLY THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM. AND SO WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO AND WE WERE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND WE TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME. AND WE DID THE SAME THING HERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. I WOULD ALWAYS ADVOCATE THAT WE FOLLOW DUE PROCESS. AND IF THERE HAS BEEN AN ERROR, MAKE THE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS TO REPAIR THAT. ADDITIONALLY, I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT IS TRYING TO INVEST IN A SECTION OF OUR TOWN THAT TRULY WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE -- AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYONE REPRESENTING THAT GROUP MYSELF. BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN LEAVING THINGS ON A BAD NOTE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE STEPS TO REPAIR ANY DAMAGES THAT THEY -- IT SOUNDS, UNKNOWINGLY, WERE PARTY TO. I'M SENSITIVE THAT IT IS A CASE, SO I'M TRYING TO CHOOSE WORDS CAREFULLY. BUT KEEPING THAT IN MIND, UNDER THE CONSIDERATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE AMENDS. AND THIS BODY, OUR ORGANIZATION, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD, PAUSE, LET'S LET THIS PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS. LET'S LET THEM DO THAT BEFORE YOU PROCEED. IS THERE SOMETHING -- AGAIN, TO BE SENSITIVE SO WE DON'T LOOK, AS A COUNCIL, TELLING THEM WHICH WAY TO GO ON ANY ONE THING OR ANOTHER. IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO, ONE, RECOMMEND A REVISIT? TWO, I'M CURIOUS. WHAT WERE THE SOUND BITES WHEN STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT THEY WAIT? WHAT WAS THEIR JUSTIFICATION COMPLETELY DISREGARDING THAT? I SAY COMPLETELY DISREGARDING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> Zanoni: DAN McGINN WAS THERE FOR US YESTERDAY. DAN, WHAT DID THEY SAY? YOU DID THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR OPEN SESSION? HE ENCOURAGED THEM IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO -- YOU HAD SEVERAL POINTS THAT YOU TOLD THEM. ONE, HE'S GOING TO MUNICIPAL COURT. TWO, LET THE CASE PLAY OUT -- GO AHEAD. >> WE WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE BECAUSE WE DID ISSUE A LETTER TO CURE. >> Zanoni: NOT WE, THE BOARD DID. >> THE BOARD ISSUED A LETTER TO CURE WITHIN 60 DAYS, WHICH WAS THE END OF DECEMBER. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THE COURT DATE WAS PUSHED BACK TO THE 13th. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION I HAVE HAD WITH THE ATTORNEY AND DR. KINGSLEY ABOUT WHERE THEY WERE AT WITH MUNICIPAL COURT. THEY HAD TALKED TO THE D.A. AND THOSE THINGS WERE KIND OF IN THE WORKS, BUT NO REAL ACTION HAS TAKEN PLACE YET. WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THOSE TWO THINGS. AND WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE ITEM BEING PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, THAT IT HAPPENED PRETTY LATE LAST WEEK. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE AWARE OF ALL THOSE THINGS AND THAT WE PLANNED TO BRING THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY TO THE TYPE B BOARD BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE HOPEFULLY THOSE TWO ITEMS WITH THE COURT WOULD BE, IF NOT FINISHED, WE WOULD HAVE A DECISION. WE JUST LEFT IT THERE AND THE BOARD DISCUSSED IT. >> Paxson: IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THEY COULD BRING THIS BACK TO THEIR AGENDA FOR REVISIT? >> Zanoni: CAN THEY LEGALLY UNDO IT, MILES, OR REVISIT IT? >> Paxson: ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK. WE CAN'T INSTRUCT. >> Zanoni: I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. >> Risley: I BELIEVE THE LAST VOTE WAS A VOTE TO TERMINATE. >> Zanoni: IT WAS. >> Risley: AND THERE WOULD BE SEVERAL POSSIBILITIES AFTER THAT VOTE. LIKE YOU SAID, A VOTE TO RECONSIDER POSSIBLY. THEY COULD VOTE TO -- THEY COULD SEEK A DIFFERENT SEPARATE CONTRACT, VOTE TO REINSTATE. THERE'S SOME POSSIBILITIES IF THEY REQUESTED. >> Zanoni: OKAY. WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE. AND JUST TO THE -- CAN I JUST SPEAK TO COUNCILMAN CANTU? WE RECOMMENDED THIS PROJECT YEARS AGO, WHEN WE HELPED DR. KINGSLEY. INITIALLY THE SIZING OF THE PROPERTY WASN'T RIGHT. THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF HAVING ACROSS OLD BROWNSVILLE ROAD TO THE PARKING LOT. WE HAD STAFF HELP HIM RECONFIGURE. WE ARE STILL ADVOCATES TO THE PROJECT. THIS IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT NOT TOO FAR FROM THE CITY'S GOLF COURSE OVER THERE. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. WE'VE HELPED TO ADVANCE IT. BUT THE TYPE B BOARD IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE POLICY DECISION AND THEY HAVE WRESTLED WITH EXTENSIONS IN THE CONTRACT. THE MUNICIPAL COURT TICKETS AND THE CRIMINAL CASE, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY VOTED TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT HAD A VERY CLEAR PROVISION THAT SAYS IF THE CONTRACT RECIPIENT BREAKS THE LAW, THEN THE CONTRACT COULD BE VOIDED. AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO THEY TERMINATED THE CONTRACT. >> Paxson: IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF -- WE HIT THE HOLIDAYS, DATES CHANGED. THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Paxson: AND I THINK IF THOSE THINGS HAD TRANSPIRED IN THEIR RIGHTFUL TIMELINE, WE'D BE HAVING, POTENTIALLY, A MUCH DIFFERENT MEETING. >> Zanoni: I BELIEVE SO. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE, COUNCILMAN CANTU'S POINT, DR. KINGSLEY IS NOT AN EXPERT AT BUILDING STADIUMS. HE'S A PEDIATRICIAN AND HE MAY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TYPE OF HELP TO DO THIS. MICHAEL DICE HAS HELPED BUT MAYBE THE ISSUE COULD BE UNINTENTIONAL. WE'RE NOT SURE DID HE KNOW HIS CREWS ILLEGALLY TAPPED INTO THE CITY'S REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM. WE CAN'T GET A GOOD ANSWER ON THAT. WHERE WE'RE AT IS WHERE WE'RE AT. >> Paxson: HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOSE MEASURES WE DISCUSSED, TO SEE ABOUT REQUESTING A REVISIT. MAYBE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> Zanoni: WE'LL WORK WITH THE BOARD CHAIR. THEY DO MEET MONTHLY BUT THEY CAN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AS WELL. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I THOUGHT I WOULD WEIGH IN. I WAS IN CLOSED SESSION IN THIS ITEM AND I WAS ALARMED BY WHAT WAS SHARED WITH ME BY CITY STAFF. I WAS ALARMED AND CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PROJECT AND WHAT YOU ALL PRESENTED. I MAY HAVE TOLD ERIC I THOUGHT SOME OF OUR RESPONSE WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE. BUT I WAS ALARMED BY WHAT HAPPENED. I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. I'VE GOT A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE TYPE B FOLKS. I FIND THIS FASCINATING. I'M DISAPPOINTED THEY MET AND DECIDED YESTERDAY. I WOULD LIKE PETER, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THEM TO COME IN EXEC OR PUBLIC TO TELL US. MY SENSE IS THAT MAYBE THEY KNEW SOME THINGS -- AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY ARTICULATED THE TIMELINE FROM BEGINNING TO NOW, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I THINK THERE WERE SOME -- THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO WHY THEY MADE THE DECISION THEY MADE. THAT HASN'T BEEN SHARED BECAUSE IT'S EITHER PRIVILEGED OR IT'S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION. BUT I THINK WE AS A BODY, I WANT TO HEAR IT. I GUESS I CAN CALL THEM. I KNOW MOST OF THEM. BUT I DO THINK THE BODY OUGHT TO HEAR, HEY, WHY DID YOU DO WHAT YOU DID? AND I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. WE APPOINT YOU AND YOU DID SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF THOUGHT WAS ODD. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND SAY DO YOU KNOW MORE THAN I KNOW. AND I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. MY ASK WOULD BE TO ASK THE TYPE B BOARD TO COME IN A MANNER THAT YOU ALL DEEM APPROPRIATE AND PRESENT THE REASON -- THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AND WHY THEY MADE THE DECISIONS THEY MADE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, BEFORE I HAD ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ANYTHING GOING FORWARD. THAT WAS MY TWO CENTS. >> Zanoni: AND WE CAN DO THAT, COUNCILMAN. THE ISSUE HERE THIS AFTERNOON IS THAT THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA LATE LAST WEEK SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET COMPLETELY ORGANIZED. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY TO THIS. THIS PROJECT GOES BACK HOW MANY YEARS MILES? THREE YEARS, MAYBE FOUR. >> THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS 2020. >> Zanoni: SO SEVEN YEARS THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY. AND THE BOARD CHAIR, MS. SUMMERS, HAS BEEN ON THE TYPE B BOARD FOR PROBABLY MOST OF THAT TIME. SO SHE HAS THE ADVANTAGE OVER US HERE. MORE ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH JUST HEARING IT FROM THE PERIPHERY FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO SEE HOW THEY COME IN AND TALK TO THE COUNCIL. THEY'RE AN EXTENSION OF THE CITY. THE WAY TYPE A AND TYPE B BOARDS ARE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS. THE COUNCIL APPOINTS THEM BUT THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY AND THAT CONTRACT IS NOT WITH THE COUNCIL, IT'S WITH THEM AND NEXT SPORTS. WE'LL BRING THEM HERE BUT WE'LL GET ORGANIZED AND TRY TO SHOW A TIMELINE OF HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, HOW MANY DEADLINES THEY MISSED. THE CHIEF INVESTIGATED. WE CAN SEE -- HE CAN SPEAK ABOUT WHAT HE LOOKED AT, THE MUNICIPAL COURT TICKETS THAT THE JUDGE OVER THERE IS HEARING TODAY. AND WE CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION AND SHOW WHAT HAPPENED. TO TRY TO GET ALL THIS DONE IN A FEW MINUTES AND HAVE AN AUDIENCE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY BECAUSE THE ITEM WAS JUST INTRODUCED LAST WEEK BY COUNCIL. WE NEED TO DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE. WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION, BRING IN THE TYPE B BOARD AND HELP COUNCIL UNDERSTAND IT. >> Risley: I WOULD RECOMMEND ANY MATTERS INVOLVING EXISTING LEGAL MATTERS, LIKE CRIMINAL CHARGES THAT MAY BE PENDING, BE DONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR INTERFERENCE WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE MADE A PRESENTATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN NOVEMBER AND WE CAN ALWAYS UPDATE THAT, IF REQUESTED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: WELL, ERIC, I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT FORWARD AND THAT'S THE REASON I SIGNED IT, BECAUSE I THINK EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WITH A CONCERN SHOULD GET TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. THE CITY IS NOT AT FAULT HERE. IF SOMEONE IS STEALING WATER, YOU DO GET A TICKET. BUT HE PROBABLY WAS NOT THE ONE DOING IT. IT WAS PROBABLY A WORKER. HE WAS PROBABLY NOT OUT THERE DOING IT. HE PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. NOT TO HEAR HIM OUT IS A SHAME. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. I THINK THE TYPE B BOARD SHOWED BAD JUDGMENT WHENEVER YOU ASKED AND DAN McGINN ASKED THEM NOT TO DO IT. THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST GIVEN YOU THE COURTESY TO COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS THE REASON WE DID IT. AND THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. THEY HAVE BEEN ON MY LIST BECAUSE TODAY ON THAT PARKING LOT, THAT WAS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ANYWAY, I JUST THINK THAT THEY SHOULD COME FORWARD AND THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN IT TO US. BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL THE LAWSUIT WAS OVER. BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING SOMEONE'S GUILTY BEFORE THEY EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO PRESENT IT. I THINK THAT WAS BAD JUDGMENT. AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME THAT THERE'S NOBODY ON THERE THAT STOPPED AND SAID, HEY, LET'S WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL OUTCOME. NOTHING. THE THING I DO WANT TO ASK YOU IS YOU SAID I THINK HE GOT A TICKET FOR WATERING ON A DAY HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO. >> Zanoni: THAT WAS ONE. >> Vaughn: DID HE PAY IT? >> Zanoni: IT'S IN MUNICIPAL COURT TODAY. I'M NOT SURE. >> Vaughn: BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, MY HUSBAND LEFT THE WATER HOSE RUNNING IN THE BACKYARD. SO I GOT A TICKET. $500. IMMEDIATELY PAID IT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Vaughn: DID HE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY IT AND HE DIDN'T DO IT? >> Zanoni: CORRECT. HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY THE WINDOW FINE BUT HE ELECTED TO SEE THE JUDGE. THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE TODAY. >> Vaughn: TRY AND TALK OUT OF IT. >> Zanoni: THAT WAS HIS CHOICE, NOT OURS. HE COULD HAVE DID WHAT YOUR HUSBAND DID AND PAY THE BILL. >> Vaughn: I DON'T HOLD THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS BUT I WISH THE TYPE B BOARD HAD NOT DONE IT LIKE THEY DID. THAT WAS NOT RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OFF, THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO ME IN 2019. 2019, AS THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER. I REMEMBER ORIGINALLY THEIR INITIAL SITE WAS WHERE THE INITIAL SITE OF CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL WAS GOING TO BE BEFORE IT WAS MOVED. AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY. AND THEN THEY FELL INTO THE CHALLENGES THAT EVERYBODY DEALT WITH WITH REGARD TO THE ACUS. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM OFF OF THE BROWNSVILLE ROAD LOCATION . I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT IT WAS. I KNOW RANDY IS IN HERE BUT IT PREDATES RANDY. HE WAS WITH THE CITY MAYBE AT THAT TIME. I KNOW WHEN WE INITIALLY BROUGHT THE APPLICATION, THERE WAS A CONCERN WITH FINANCING. AND THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH FINANCING. I USED MY INFLUENCE WITH THE BOARD TO AT LEAST MOVE FURTHER BECAUSE IT WAS A PAYMENT ON PERFORMANCE. SO WE WORKED IT OUT TO GET THE PAYMENT ON PERFORMANCE. DURING THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY THE PANDEMIC CAME. WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT TO ENCOURAGE THE TYPE B BOARD TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE AT THAT TIME, OF WHICH THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL PERMITS AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR ACTION PLAN. AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A HOTEL INVOLVED. THERE WAS A BIG GRAND PLAN OF WHICH ONE TIME WE TRIED TO REMAIN OPTIMISTIC. MY ARGUMENT AT THAT TIME, AS ALWAYS, IT'S JUST A GRAIN FIELD THAT HAS AN AG EXEMPTION. AND IF WE CAN BUILD ANYTHING OUT THERE, THEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S BASICALLY WE WENT TO THE TYPE B BOARD AND ASKED THEM TO CONTINUE TO MOVE ON BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON PERFORMANCE. DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW HOW MANY EXTENSIONS WERE GRANTED IN TOTAL? >> THREE. >> Barrera: AND THAT WAS AFTER HOW MANY YEARS? >> THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED OCTOBER 2020. THE LAST AMENDMENT, THE THIRD AMENDMENT OCCURRED IN APRIL OF 2025. >> Barrera: OKAY. I THINK -- ONE THING I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR. I WANT TO COMMEND CITY STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY HAVE DONE ON THIS. YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT CONSISTENCY. AND, YOU KNOW, IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED BY A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER, THEN THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY NO MATTER WHO IT IS THEY HIRE. THEY HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONTRACTORS THEY HIRE. WE JUST -- I JUST READ A MOTION FOR TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ENTIRELY OUR FAULT BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T OPERATE THE MACHINERY ADEQUATELY, BECAUSE IT WAS A RENTAL PIECE OF MACHINERY, WE DECIDED WE HAD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. SO THE DEVELOPER HAS TO TAKE SOME LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY. AND -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: WE DID. THAT'S THE THING. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND MUCH TO A TON OF STAFF TIME, A TON OF STAFF TIME, AND BASICALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAME IN AND SAID IT'S A CRIME TO UTILIZE THE CITY'S RESOURCES AND TO CIRCUMVENT THAT. AND I WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF WHICH THEY SHOULD FOLLOW. NOW, FOR SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THIS INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO INVEST MONEY. THEY STILL HAVE NOT YET MET THE OBLIGATIONS OF WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO BACK IN 2020. WE HAVE AMENDED THAT ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, WHICH TAKES STAFF TIME. I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO BRING THAT HERE AND TO HURL ACCUSATIONS AT STAFF WHEN YOU DID YOUR JOB. YOU JUST SAID YOU GAVE THEM SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES AND WE SAID WE MADE THREE AMENDMENTS. THAT TAKE STAFF TIME TO DO THAT. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS TAPPED INTO RESOURCES THAT WE DON'T KNOW TO WHAT LEVEL. IF IT IS A FELONY OR NOT, THAT THEY TOOK MORE THAN $1500 WORTH OF WATER. WE HAD NO IDEA AND THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD HAVE AN IDEA. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE POINT AS TO WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BLAME STAFF FOR THE NEGLIGENCE OF A DEVELOPER. WHETHER HE DID IT ON PURPOSE OR NOT. WHETHER IT'S WITH INTENT OR NOT, THAT'S FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO DECIDE, NOT FOR US TO DECIDE. AND TO USE STAFF TIME UNTIL WE LET ALL THAT PLAY OUT, I JUST THINK IT'S WRONG. I APPRECIATE THOSE GUYS ON THE TYPE B BOARD. THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF SCRUTINY LATELY FOR MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE DECISION WE CARE FOR, BECAUSE WE WANT TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS BUT I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND YOU BACK THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO TRY TO HELP THOSE KIDS ON THE WEST SIDE AND I APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DID AGREE FOR THIS DISCUSSION TO COME BECAUSE I WANTED CLARIFICATION AND I WASN'T SURE WHY THE TYPE B BOARD, THE WAY I SAW IT, WAS RUSHED. BUT LIKE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT, THERE HAS BEEN THREE EXTENSIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. THE TIME IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE HERE THEY ARE, THE VERY NEXT DAY, MAYBE HOPEFULLY GETTING THAT RESOLVED. AND IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT THEY COULDN'T WAIT AT LEAST A WEEK FOR THIS. I ALSO AM CURIOUS HOW MUCH THEY HAVE INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT. DO YOU KNOW, DAN? DO WE KNOW? >> OVERALL? >> Campos: OVERALL. HOW MUCH HAS NEXT SPORTS COMPANY ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS? $4MILLION? >> $4 MILLION TO DATE, YEAH. WITH ANOTHER PHASE THAT WOULD OCCUR IN FUTURE YEARS. >> Campos: HOW MUCH -- RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE LIKE THE SOCCER FIELD, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW? WHAT DO THEY HAVE BUILT? >> THEY HAVE COMPLETED PHASE 1, SIX SOCCER FIELDS, GRASS, AND TWO ARTIFICIAL -- WELL, THEY'RE ALL MULTIPURPOSE. EIGHT TOTAL. THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THEY HAVE LIGHTS. >> Campos: YEAH. I'VE BEEN ABLE -- WELL, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GO AND WATCH MY GRANDDAUGHTER GO PLAY IN ONE OF THOSE FIELDS AND IT WAS JUST REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW NICE THE FIELD WAS AND HOW LIGHTED AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT, AGAIN, IT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, JUST BY TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER AND FINDING OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOOD THAT IT WAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT. I HOPE THAT WE AND THEY ARE ABLE TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AND HOPEFULLY STILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP THEM. BUT, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO JUST HEAR IT FROM YOU ALL JUST HOW MUCH THEY HAVE ACTUALLY INVESTED. AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN QUITE A BIT. AND WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR. ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. THAT'S ALL THE REMARKS AND QUESTIONS. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION FOR THIS. MAYBE TO COORDINATE SOMETHING? >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE'LL WORK WITH THE TYPE B BOARD CHAIR AND PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING ON THE 27th AGENDA AND MAYBE THE FIRST ONE IN FEBRUARY, DEPENDING ON OUR TIMING. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 23. >> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. I'M SO SORRY. WE DIDN'T OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NO. 22. >> ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3. YOU KNOW, I HAD AT LEAST THREE TIMES -- I'M A LANDLORD -- AND I HAD TENANTS BREAK THE METERS AND I HAD TO PAY. I HAD TO PAY FOR IT. AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS UNFAIR THAT THE MEAT PLANT GOT TO WALK AWAY SCOT-FREE WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY AT HOME AND EVERYBODY OUT HERE. I WANT TO TAKE NOTE THAT ON JANUARY 13 AT 4:45, PETER ZANONI SAID WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW. WE ALL NEED TO TAKE NOTE OF THAT. WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW. SO THAT LAW IS NOT ONLY FOR THIS BUT FOR OTHER THINGS COMING UP. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT HE SAYS YOU CAN'T LET PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW. IT'S NOT JUST TO DO WITH THIS, IT'S ABOUT THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LATER. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN AND I'M NOT FORCED TO PLAY THE WORD SALAD PLAYED NOW. STAFF DOES LIE, EVERYBODY DOES ILLEGAL THINGS THAT I HAVE WITNESSED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THAT WAS A LINE OF CRAPOLA. AND COUNCILMAN, MAYBE YOU HAVE THE DOCTOR REACH OUT TO ONE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S 8,000 CONSULTANTS TO GET HELP MANEUVERING THROUGH HIS PROJECT. THIS GOES TO PICKING AND CHOOSING THE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN TOWN. BECAUSE NOTHING WAS DONE TO SOUTH TEXAS BEEF. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO BOOTSTRAP. NOTHING WAS DONE TO THE WILSON PLAZA WHEN THEY WERE ARREARS IN THEIR WATER BILLS. SO THIS IS A BLATANT, BLATANT ATTEMPT AT PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS. AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF BEHAVIOR THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS DONE WITH. SO WE WILL BE MAKING THE NECESSARY DECISIONS, COME NOVEMBER, TO END THIS. THANK YOU. >> HELLO. IRAN HAMMY, CORPUS CHRISTI. I HAVE WORKED WITH JUST ABOUT ALL OF YOU IN MY PREVIOUS JOB AND I'M NOW WITH CORPUS CHRISTI FC UNDER THE NEXT SPORTS COMPANY. I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW ME PRETTY WELL THAT I DON'T MISCONSTRUE THINGS AND I JUST HAVE TO COME UP AND SAY THIS IS DEFINITELY JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ALL PARTIES. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOU THAT THIS WAS DONE IN HASTE WITH THE TYPE B BOARD, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE VOTING IT, OUR LAWYERS DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE VOTING IT, NOBODY HAD ANY IDEA. WE WERE WORKING WITH DAN McGINN AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK DAN HAS BEEN DOING. HE'S HAD OUR BACK TRYING TO GET IT RESOLVED THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE CAN TO TRY AND MAKE AMENDS. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM AS DILIGENTLY AS WE CAN. I SPOKE WITH ATTORNEYS BEFORE COMING HERE TODAY AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TODAY IS THAT THEIR DECISION IS BASED ON THE CRIMINAL CHARGES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE. BUT FROM WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS THAT THE D.A. IS NOT GOING FORWARD WITH THE CHARGES. WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR A LETTER TAUGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AND THEY MOVED OUT OF HASTE WITH THIS . WE'RE READY TO PAY THE FINE. WE WERE READY TO DO IT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO DR. KINGSLEY'S DECISION ON NOT PAYING IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT WE ARE READY TO MAKE AMENDS. I BELIEVE THE COURT DATE WAS PUSHED BACK FROM TODAY, SO WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT LONGER TO GET IT RESOLVED. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THE WEST SIDE BUT THE ENTIRE CITY. FOOTBALL, LACROSSE, TAKING KIDS OFF THE STREETS, LEARNING LIFE LESSONS, TEAMWORK LESSONS. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PRO TEAM COMING. THAT'S EXCITING. FIRST PRO SOCCER TEAM IN CORPUS CHRISTI, GOT TO BE EXCITING. I'M EXCITED FOR IT. I TOOK A PAY CUT TO TAKE THIS JOB, INSTEAD OF STICKING WITH NEWS. SO YOU KNOW I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND I HOPE THAT SPEAKS TO IT. I HOPE YOU GUYS SEE THAT THIS IS WRONG AND WE SHOULD REALLY TRY AND FIX IT. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NO. 22. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NO. 23. AND THAT IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECEIVE A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT FROM CORPUS CHRISTI ANIMAL CARE SERVICES ON DAILY OPERATIONS, STAFFING LEVELS, INTAKE, AND OUTCOME DATA, AND CURRENT CHALLENGES. ALSO AN UPDATE ON THE TIMELINE AND PROCESS FOR FILLING THE ANIMAL CARE SERVICES DIRECTOR POSITION WITH CLARIFICATION ON LEADERSHIP CONTINUITY DURING THE TRANSITION AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS ERIC CANTU, CAROLYN VAUGHN, AND KAYLYNN PAXSON. WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT? COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A REPORT FOR ME? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THERE WAS A COMPREHENSION REPORT THAT WE SENT AT THE END OF DECEMBER -- DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DAY. WE SENT IT TO COUNCIL AND IN THAT REPORT IT WAS ABOUT THE FISCAL YEAR '25 CITY GATE REPORT, WHICH IS A MULTI-YEAR PHASED RECOMMENDATION STRATEGY. SO WE COMPLETED THE FY25 SCHEDULE AND SO WE DID SEND THAT REPORT OUT TO CITY COUNCIL. AS WELL AS AN UPDATE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED LAST FISCAL YEAR. THOSE WE HAVE BEEN SENDING OUT BIMONTHLY BY WAY OF MEMO BUT IN DECEMBER WE INCLUDED IT AS PART OF THE REPORT. AND THEN THE UPDATE ON THE CIP PROJECTS, WE'LL BE SENDING THAT TO COUNCIL BIMONTHLY. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE SENT TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. >> Cantu: SO WE HAVE NOTHING FOR TODAY? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW ME TODAY? ANY NUMBERS, HOW MANY ANIMALS GOT KILLED LAST MONTH? >> SO FOR THAT REPORT, THAT WOULD BE OUR STATISTICS. ON THOSE WE POST ANNUALLY AS WELL. THE REPORT WE SENT TO COUNCIL WAS ON CITY GATE. WE DO HAVE THE INFORMATION REGARDING OUR SHELTER STATISTICS, OUR LIVE RATE AND EUTHANASIA RATE. >> Cantu: CAN I SEE THAT? >> WHAT WE'LL DO AS WELL, WE'LL SEND TO COUNCIL THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT WE SENT OUT IN DECEMBER AS WELL. FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW, THOSE STATISTICS ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. THEY ARE UPDATED MONTHLY ON OUR ANIMAL CARE WEBSITE. >> Cantu: SO YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW US ON THE SCREENS? >> Zanoni: WE DON'T, COUNCIL. THIS IS A THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO AND WE KNOW YOU AUTHORED IT. WE APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THAT. >> Cantu: HOW ABOUT THIS, DIRECTOR, HOW MANY ANIMALS HAVE YOU KILLED LAST MONTH? >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO, WE CAN PUT A PRESENTATION ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA. WE'RE NOT SURE IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTED A PRESENTATION BECAUSE THREE IS NOT NINE. SO THE COUNCIL NEEDS -- THE ITEM IS TO DISCUSS DO YOU WANT TO HEAR A BRIEFING. WHAT SONY SAID IS WHAT WE DID DO BUT IT WAS PRIOR TO THE -- IT WAS BEFORE THIS ITEM WE DID SEND A REPORT, LIKE WE NORMALLY DO. IT WAS A GOOD COMPREHENSIVE REPORT BUT WE'RE NOT PREPARED TODAY. WITH SEVEN THREE-SIGNATURE MEMOS WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TIME. THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS JANUARY 27 SO WE CAN PRESENT ON THE SCREEN AND COUNCIL CAN GET IT AHEAD OF TIME THROUGH THE NORMAL BUSINESS PROCESS. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO PREPARE TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE AGENDA POSTING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DELAY OR DODGE THE ISSUE, COUNCILMAN. >> Cantu: WHAT'S THE STATUS OF GETTING A NEW DIRECTOR? >> Zanoni: YEAH. ON THAT ONE -- >> Cantu: MY PERSONAL OPINION, PETER, WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT CANDIDATES WHO APPLIED FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS AND THAT DEPARTMENT IS NOT RAN RIGHT. AND WE'RE KILLING ANIMALS FOR SPACE. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LABEL THEM AS MEDICAL REASONS. AND I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS ANSWERS. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? DO WE NEED TO DO A BOND TO PUT ON THE NEXT ELECTION IN NOVEMBER TO BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER, GET MORE KENNELS, GET MORE MONEY, MORE EMPLOYEES, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. BUT I DO TELL YOU THIS: THERE IS A WHISTLEBLOWER IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ANIMALS EVERY DAY FOR SPACE AND YOU'RE LISTING THEM UNDER "MEDICAL." >> ACTUALLY, WE DON'T EUTHANIZE EVERY DAY. THAT'S ONE. AND THEN WHEN WE DO EUTHANIZE, IT IS LAID OUT ON THE REPORTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE PUBLIC EVERY MONTH. >> Cantu: THAT'S A LIE. YOU'RE KILLING ANIMALS FOR SPACE AND YOU'RE MARKING THEM UNDER MEDICAL REASONS. >> AND IN 2025, WE HUMANELY EUTHANIZED 20 FOR SPACE, WHICH IS 2.8%. BEFORE THEY ARE EUTHANIZED, THEY ARE SEEN BY A VETERINARIAN. >> CYNTHIA MARTINEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. WE ALSO HAVE A EUTHANASIA POLICY AND EUTHANASIA CHECKLIST THAT WE GO THROUGH. SO ANY ANIMAL THAT IS EUTHANIZED FOR A REASON OTHER THAN ORDERED BY A VETERINARIAN IS SIGNED OFF BY TWO MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP. THE EUTHANASIAS THAT OCCUR FOR SPACE ONLY ARE OCCURRING IN INSTANCES WHERE IT IS FOR SPACE. IF AN ANIMAL HAS BEHAVIOR OR TEMPERAMENT ISSUES, THEY ARE EUTHANIZED FOR BEHAVIOR. >> Cantu: I GET IT WITH THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS. I GET IT, THE ONES THAT ARE LITERALLY MEDICAL SICK. LIKE, THERE'S NO TREATMENT FOR THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO DIE. THEY'RE SUFFERING. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T MAKE IT A WHOLE NO-KILL CORPUS CHRISTI BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS AND THE ONES THAT ARE SICK. BUT TO KILL ANIMALS BECAUSE OF SPACE. BECAUSE THIS CITY DIDN'T DO CRAP FOR THIS SHELTER FOR YEARS AND WE'RE SO BEHIND ON EVERYTHING ON THE SHELTER. THAT'S THE LAST THING WE CARE ABOUT, THIS COUNCIL, ALL THEY CARED ABOUT WAS OTHER STUFF BUT THE SHELTERS. BUT WE'RE GIVING $2 MILLION FOR A DAMN PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, LIKE AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THEY SAY, HEY. MAYBE WE COULD FIND A DONOR TO HELP US BUILD SOME KENNELS. THAT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM, IT'S OUR PROBLEM. THIS IS A CITY PROBLEM. WE NEED TO FIX THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL. I MEAN, THERE'S LITERALLY ANIMALS DYING EVERY DAY FOR SPACE. YOU GUYS CAN SAY IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT IT IS TRUE. OUR CREMATION MACHINE WAS BROKEN FOR MONTHS AND Y'ALL DUMPED THE BODIES AT THE DAMN LANDFILL. THAT'S SICK! I MEAN, IT BLOWS MY MIND HOW THIS CITY DOES THAT. BUT WE HAVE MONEY TO GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR CRANE SERVICE FOR THE AMERICAN BANK CENTER FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. WE HAVE MONEY FOR CONSULTANTS, WE HAVE MONEY FOR ALL THIS BUT THE ANIMALS, THE VOICELESS? SCREW THEM. JUST KILL THEM. IT'S B.S. IT'S NOT RIGHT. HOW CAN YOU GUYS SLEEP AT NIGHT DOING THAT? LIKE, IT BLOWS MY MIND. LIKE, I JUST CAN'T WRAP MYSELF AROUND IT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS SO SCREWED UP THAT WE FINE PEOPLE FOR FEEDING ANIMALS ON THE STREETS. YOU WANT US TO NOT FEED THEM AND LET THEM STARVE. SICKENING. I JUST -- AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS DIRECTLY, I HAVE SOME BLAME TOWARDS YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME THAT IT'S MEDICAL REASONS. I KNOW IT'S B.S. AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY. BUT WE HAVE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS. WE HAVE MONEY FOR DESAL. WE HAVE MONEY FOR STREETS. WE HAVE MONEY FOR PARKING LOTS. WE HAVE MONEY FOR HOTELIERS. BUT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. WE HAVE AGGRESSIVE DOGS ON THE STREETS. WE HAVE SICK DOGS THAT NEED TO BE PUT DOWN, ARE STRUGGLING AND SUFFERING. NO CARE. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIX THIS PROBLEM? CAN WE HIRE A CONSULTANT SO WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER? >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, SO WE HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT. [LAUGHTER] THE CITY GATE CONSULTANT IS DOING A GREAT JOB. SHE'S STILL ON RETAINER WITH US. I WOULD SAY THE STAFF -- WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT -- THIS IS A TOUGH JOB ALREADY AND COMING UP HERE AND STANDING AT THE PODIUM AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SHOUTING AT THEM, BUT IT'S TOUGH ENOUGH ALREADY. I DO ASK FOR SOME LEVEL OF CARE FOR THE STAFF IN THIS ISSUE. WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN DO WITH THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES ALLOCATED. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR WE SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST PRIORITIES. THIS IS A COUNCIL DECISION SO IF WE WANT TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET, COUNCILMAN, WE CAN GET THERE. NOBODY WANTS TO EUTHANIZE DOGS OR CATS AT ANIMAL CARE. THESE GUYS ARE THE MOST COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE WITH ANIMALS IN THE CITY, IN TERMS OF CITY DEPARTMENT STAFF. SO THE ISSUE IS IF WE WANT TO INVEST MILLIONS MORE, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNCIL AT BUDGET TIME. >> Cantu: HOW ABOUT -- >> Zanoni: LET ME FINISH, PLEASE. WE CAN'T GENERATE MILLIONS MORE SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM ANOTHER PLACE. IT'S A PRIORITIZATION AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL THIS COMING MONTHS. IF YOU WANT TO INVEST MILLIONS, IT WILL TAKE $100 MILLION WITH A BUILDING PLUS MORE MILLIONS FOR OPERATING. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, NO PROBLEM. BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO. >> Cantu: IT'S GOING TO COST A $100 MILLION BECAUSE YOU OVERPAY FOR EVERYTHING. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO PUT A WAREHOUSE AND KENNELS? WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FANCY BUILDING AND FANCY STUFF. YOU'RE SAYING MONTHS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANIMALS GETTING KILLED UNTIL WE GET OUR CRAP TOGETHER. IT'S B.S. WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM NOW. FIND A CONSULTANT, PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT. I SAW THAT TOO FROM YOU AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM. WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY TAX RATE TO BUILD MORE KENNELS, HIRE MORE STAFF, VOTE YES OR NO. THAT'S A GOOD POLICY RECOMMENDATION FRANKLY. AND YOU SAID IT RIGHT, WHICH IS THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR THE CITY. THIS AREA HAS BEEN UNDERINVESTED IN FOR DECADES. IT'S A DECADES OF NEGLECT STORY. WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS NOW TO IMPROVE THE KENNELS. WE HAVE A CONSULTANT WHO HAS GIVEN US A REPORT. >> Cantu: WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE HAVE DONE ANYTHING FOR THE SHELTER, BESIDES THE LAST $4 MILLION THAT WE JUST GOT? >> Zanoni: THAT'S PROBABLY IT. THERE'S BEEN SOME MINOR THINGS IN MY SEVEN YEARS BUT THE KENNELS WERE BUILT BUT THEY WEREN'T BUILT FOR ADOPTION. THEY WERE BUILT FOR EUTHANASIA, THE WHOLE SETUP. THIS COUNCIL, WE RECOGNIZE THAT. WE HAD THE CONSULTANT GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION HOW WE IMPROVE IT. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. REALLY, IT'S A POLICY MONEY CHOICE ABOUT WHAT DO WE NOT DO ANYMORE. AND OUR REVENUES ARE LESS THAN EVER AND NOW THE DECISION IS JUST TIGHT. DO WE DO LIBRARIES, PARKS, ANIMAL CARE? SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS COLLECTIVELY WITH THE COUNCIL. WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THE CONSULTANT IS GREAT. JANET FROM CITY GATE THAT GAVE US 169 WAYS TO IMPROVE ANIMAL CARE. THAT WAS A REPORT SENT OUT IN DECEMBER THAT SHOWED HOW MUCH WAS DONE AND NOT DONE. WITH RESPECT TO THE DIRECTOR, I WOULD DISAGREE WE HAVE PASSED UP VIABLE CANDIDATES. WE HAVE HAD A CONSULTANT, AGAIN, A HEAD HUNTER, RECRUITER, WHO IS LEADING THE RECOMMENDATION ON DO WE PICK THIS PERSON OR NOT FOR AN INTERVIEW. THE POOL HAS BEEN LIMITED. WE HAVE INTERVIEWED A FEW PEOPLE AND WE DON'T RECOMMEND THEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY IF THEY DON'T FIT. IF THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT HIRE. WE WISH WE COULD HIRE SOMEBODY, AS DO MANY OTHER MUNICIPAL ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES. THIS IS A TOUGH POSITION TO FILL AND WE'RE STILL RECRUITING. WE PUT -- WE HAVE A NEW RECRUITER TO GIVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, WHO IS ADVERTISING NEXT WEEK THE POSITION. THEY'RE WORKING THIS WEEK ON FINALIZING THE JOB SPEC. I PERSONALLY HAVENCREASED THE LEVEL OF COMPENSATION. IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST-PAID DIRECTORS IN THE CITY. I HAVE INCLUDED IN THERE A CAR ALLOWANCE, A CLOTHING ALLOWANCE, A RELOCATION ALLOWANCE, AND A SIGN-ON BONUS. EVEN WITH THAT, WE CAN'T GET A CANDIDATE. WE'RE TRYING. WE'RE TRYING LIKE HELL AND THE NEW RECRUITER, HOPEFULLY WILL BRING A DIFFERENT LEVEL TO HELP US. WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT SO WE NEED GOOD LEADERSHIP AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL. KATY'S BEEN DOING A DECENT JOB AND SHE KNOWS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS MORE DIRECT EXPERIENCE IN THE ANIMAL CARE WORLD AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. >> Cantu: WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO PUT THIS ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT? >> Zanoni: WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WORK, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS WITH THE COUNCIL, WITH JAN, HOW DO WE PHASE IN -- HOW WOULD WE PHASE IN LESS EUTHANASIA OR SOME GOAL TO GET TO -- IT'S NOT NO-KILL. THAT'S A MISNOMER. >> Cantu: I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM ON MY NEXT AGENDA ITEM. IT SAYS NOT TO KILL FOR SPACE. YOU ONLY KILL FOR 20 DOGS A YEAR SUPPOSEDLY. >> Zanoni: WE NEED MORE KENNELS. I JUST SPENT TIME WITH CITY MANAGERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SAN JOSE HAS 600 KENNELS, SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA. 600 KENNELS. >> 118. >> Zanoni: WE HAVE 100 KENNELS. >> Cantu: PEOPLE LOVE THEIR ANIMALS HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Zanoni: THE POINT IS WE NEED MORE KENNELS, IS MY POINT. WE NEED MORE KENNELS, NOBODY IS DENYING THAT. YOU NEED MORE STAFF TO MANAGE THE KENNELS AND YOU GOT TO CLEAN THEM, TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS. WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY TO SHOW YOU ANYTHING HERE. WE NEED DIRECTION FROM THE FULL MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. IF YOU WANT US TO GET INFORMATION READY FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO COUNCILMAN CANTU'S POLICY DESIRE, WE CAN DO THAT. NOBODY HERE IS NOT TRYING TO DO THAT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO THAT. WITH JAN, WITH CITY GATE, WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN PHASE IT IN OVER TIME. WHAT WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT IN A BOND PROGRAM, IN THE 2027 BUDGET. AND WE CAN >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, SO THAT'S OUR POSITION. WE HAVE THE RIGHT HELP TO HELP US DEVELOP A PLAN FOR YOU ALL IF YOU WANT IT. >> Cantu: I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD A PLAN. >> Zanoni: WELL, WE DO. WE'RE TAKING -- WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HAD AN ANIMAL CARE. IT WASN'T EVEN CALLED ANIMAL CARE, IT WAS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MANAGED BY CHIEF MARKLE. WE MOVED IT OUT OF THERE, STEP 1, SEVERAL YEARS AGES GO. THAT'S PLAN NUMBER 1. PLAN NUMBER TWO, WE'VE ADDED 3 MILLION. THE BUDGET USED TO BE 2 MILLION, NOW IT'S 5 MILLION, SO WE'VE DOUBLED THE STAFF, WE'VE TRIED TO BRING IN MORE PROFESSIONALS. WE'RE IMPROVING THE KENNELS, BUT IT'S INCREMENTAL. AND WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO UNDERSTAND AND THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE DECADES OF NEGLECT, DECADES OF BAD DECISIONS, YOU DON'T TURN THINGS AROUND IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 29 LINES OF BUSINESS. WE CAN BE HERE FOR THE SAME ISSUE FOR LIBRARY, PARKS, POLICE FIRE. AND SO IT SEEMS EASY, SIDEWALKS, WE'VE GOT 20 OTHER THINGS THAT DEMAND MONEY AND TIME. WE'RE COMMITTED, COUNCILMAN. SO WHAT I NEED IS DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. IF THE COUNCIL SAYS, PETER, YES, THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WAS SUBMITTED WARRANTS FIVE OF US SAYING PLEASE DO THAT, AND WE WANT THE CONSULTANT TO -- WE WANT TO INVEST IN THE CONSULTANT TO HELP US DEVELOP A PLAN SO WE CAN CONSIDER IT FOR THE BUDGET AND FOR THE ELECTION COMING UP IN NOVEMBER, YOU TELL ME TO DO THAT, WE'LL DO IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Vaughn: I'M SORRY, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY BUTTON HERE. I HOPE IT FIXES IT. FIRST OFF, YOU MAY LIKE MR. ZANONI, YOU MAY NOT LIKE HIM, YOU MAY LIKE THESE LADIES OR NOT, BUT WE CAN ALL BE RESPECTFUL. WE JUST DON'T NEED TO LAUGH AND CALL THEM LIARS, IT'S JUST WRONG. I'M NOT GOING TO ACCUSE YOU OF ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER THERE. IS THERE A CONCERN? YES, THERE IS. OF COURSE THERE IS. AND I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOU GIVE US A VERBAL REPORT ON THE THING, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MR. ZANONI, FOR US TO GET A REPORT, COME BACK WITH A REPORT MAYBE QUARTERLY, SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON. THERE WERE SOME NUMBERS, HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE MEDICAL, AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE MEDICAL REASONS ARE BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU KEEP THOSE. BECAUSE PEOPLE SPREAD RUMORS, AND THERE ARE SOME TRUTH TO RUMORS AND SOME OF THEM ARE JUST FLAT-OUT LIES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET INTO THAT AND THEY BELIEVE THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE, THEY COME UP HERE AND SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. SOME ARE TRUE, SOME AREN'T. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR US TO DO MAYBE A QUARTERLY REPORT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I MET ONE OF YOUR CANDIDATES, AND THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T HIRE HER. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GREATEST CANDIDATES. I DIDN'T THINK -- I ONLY MET ONE, AND I THOUGHT, NO WAY. SO -- AND THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME PROBLEMS HERE COMING TO CORPUS CHRISTI, TOO, AND WE CAN BLAME THIS CITY FOR ALL OF OUR ANIMAL PROBLEMS, BUT IT IS THE RESIDENTS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE ANIMALS, IT'S A CULTURAL PROBLEM HERE, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT LEGISLATIVE THIS YEAR FOR PUNISHMENT, KIND OF LIKE FLORIDA DID, BECAUSE THEY GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND IT IS WRONG, THEY'RE MEAN, AND NOBODY DOES ANYTHING. I THINK THE LAWS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND I WOULD, IF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE WHAT'S GOING ON, PUT A KENNEL ON THE BOND. SEE IF THEY'LL PASS IT. IF THEY CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE ANIMALS, THEY'LL PAT IT. PASS IT. WE ONLY HAVE 100 KENNELS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE, THE CITY ONLY HAS SO MUCH MONEY. THIS COUNCIL AND THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAS PUT MORE MONEY INTO ANIMAL CONTROL THAN EVER BEFORE. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, THAT'S NOT TRUE. I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING. I AM, TOO, WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DOCUMENTATION ON THE MEDICAL. MAYBE IF YOU CAN -- I THINK YOU HAVE THREE THAT SIGNED IT. I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE WOULD WANT TO HEAR AN UPDATE. >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT FOR THE 27TH. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> Zanoni: I GO TO THE BOARD MEETINGS, THE ANIMAL CARE ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS, AND THE LAST ONE IN DECEMBER AS THEY DO EVERY MONTH, THE STAFF PRESENTS TO THE BOARD STATISTICS, THE SAME ONE YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WE CAN BRING THEM QUARTERLY. >> Vaughn: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANTCH AND THAT WAY IF PEOPLE HEAR IT REGULARLY, IT ONLY TAKES 30 MINUTES, I THINK THAT WAY YOUR MINDS NOT WONDERING, YOU'RE NOT IMAGINING THINGS. >> Zanoni: WE'LL SET IT UP QUARTLY SO WE'RE REPORTING TO YOU THE STATISTICS. >> Vaughn: I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE KIND WHEN WE COME UP HERE AND TALK. >> Zanoni: I AGREE. >> Vaughn: I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND FACE THE AUDIENCE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TRUE OR WHAT'S NOT. LET'S TRY AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CIVIL. >> Zanoni: I AGREE, COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Hernandez: THERE ARE SOME THINGS HERE THAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR. WE HAD A 24% INCREASE IN FUNDING BUDGETED FROM 2025 TO 2026. OKAY. SO WE WENT FROM 5 MILLION TO 6,200,000 RIGHT? >> NO. >> Hernandez: I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET RIGHT HERE. >> Zanoni: THAT MAY BE TRUE, COUNCILMAN, BUT MY STATEMENT WAS FROM YEARS AGO. >> THAT WAS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS YES. >> Hernandez: NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IS FROM OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, ANIMAL CARE DEPARTMENT SUMMARY, IT WENT FROM BUDGETED -- ADOPTED BUDGET FROM 2024-2025, 5,009,097, AND THEN THE ADOPTED BUDGET 2025-2026, WAS 6,014,000 -- >> I BELIEVE THAT INCLUDED THE 250 FOR SPAY/NEUTER AND -- [LAPSE IN AUDIO] >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE ALLOTTED TO ANIMAL CONTROL. I'M LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET. >> YES. >> Zanoni: WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. >> Hernandez: AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN THE BIGGEST INCREASE OF ANY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. AM I WRONG THERE? >> Zanoni: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THEY GOT AN INCREASE WHEN WE HAD TO REDUCE -- WE'VE ELIMINATED DEPARTMENTS. >> Hernandez: YEAH. WE'VE ADDED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE ADDED FOUR PERSONNEL, WE ADDED PEOPLE TO YOUR ORGANIZATION, SOME LEADERSHIP. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: SOME TECHNICIAN. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE INVESTING. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Hernandez: WE'RE INVESTING. YOU HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT, 169 OF THEM, I BELIEVE. >> Zanoni: CORRECT. >> Hernandez: WHERE ARE WE ON THOSE? >> Zanoni: WE SENT THAT OUT IN DECEMBER. WE CAN TRY TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE THEM HERE TODAY. DO YOU HAVE IT? >> WE WERE ESTIMATED TO COMPLETE 65 FOR THE FIRST YEAR, BUT WE ACTUALLY COMPLETED 92. >> 92, YES. >> 92. SO WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. >> BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH CITY GATE. >> Hernandez: THESE ARE SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO US ON, PROBABLY BETTER TO PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ON THE -- >> Hernandez: -- RIGHT? I WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE INVESTING. WE'RE INVESTING IN ANIMAL CONTROL, CARE AND CONTROL, HOWEVER YOU WANT -- THE ORDINANCE SAYS ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT -- YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT SOME RESULTS WITH THAT INVESTMENT. NOW, IT'S ONLY BEEN ONE QUARTER, AND I GATHER THAT, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EXPECTATIONS HERE. WE -- WE -- YOU KNOW, IF -- BECAUSE THERE'S AN INVESTMENT. WE'RE DOING IT. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE AGREE. >> Hernandez: WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S EXPECTATIONS ON YOU NOW BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTING. YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR KENNELS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN GO AND ASK GRANTS FOR -- FROM. YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT JUST -- LET'S MAXIMIZE WHATEVER WE CAN GET FOR THESE FACILITIES, NOT JUST LOOK AT BOND AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, AND I GET THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE FOR US, BUT I LOOK AT IT FROM MORE -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY THING, RIGHT? >> Zanoni: UH-HUH. >> Hernandez: SO, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE -- IF -- YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT FROM BOTH SIDES. YOU'VE GOT IT TO LOOK AT IT FROM OBVIOUSLY THE ANIMAL ASPECT OF IT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE HUMANE IN THE WAY WE'RE TREATING THEM, BUT WE'RE ALSO -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE NEWS LIKE SAN ANTONIO WAS WHERE A PACK OF DOGS KILLED SOMEBODY'S GRANDFATHER. OKAY? SO I MEAN, YOU'VE GUYS GOT A HEAVY BURDEN ON YOUR SHOULDERS AND YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING THIS RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH: WE'RE NOT -- IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF OUR INVESTMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: YEAH, COUNCILMAN, TO THAT POINT, ONE OTHER THING I LEARNED RECENTLY WITH OTHER CITY MANAGERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SET IT UP HERE AS A FOUNDATION. SO WE HAVE, LIKE, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, THE POLICE, THE POLICE, I THINK PAL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION WHERE PEOPLE LIKE THIS FRONT, SECOND ROW HERE WHO ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT CAN HELP LEVERAGE MONEY FOR THIS FOUNDATION, FOR ANIMAL CARE, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WHERE WE CAN GET PRIVATE DONATIONS, WHETHER IT'S $5 OR $5,000 OR 5 MILLION, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SET THAT UP. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: 500,000 IS PRETTY CLOSE TO 350, COUNCILMAN. IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE, COUNCILMAN, THAT THEY HAVE 600 KENNELS, AND WE HAVE 100, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. COUNCILWO MAN CAMPOS? >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. JUST LIKE YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE 169 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAD RECEIVED, IT REALLY IS GOOD NEWS TO HEAR THAT WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED 92. AT ONE TIME, WE HAD CODE COMPLIANCE -- OR CODE ENFORCEMENT SEND US MONTHLY REPORTS. I MEAN, IT WAS KIND OF NICE TO SAY -- TO HEAR -- YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE LIKE HOW MANY CALLS, YOU KNOW, WERE RECEIVED IN THE MONTH, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE, LIKE -- IT WOULD BREAK IT DOWN BY DISTRICT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STILL SOME OF THOSE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 169, LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED 92. THAT'S GREAT. BUT, AGAIN, I WAS JUST WALKING MY DOG YESTERDAY, RIGHT, AND I RAN ACROSS SEAN, SEAN FLANAGAN, WHO USED TO COME HERE PRETTY REGULARLY AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. HE WAS JUST BIT, YOU KNOW, BY A DOG. I MEAN, AND HERE WE ARE WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE'S A DOG LOVER. HE WAS WALKING HIS OWN DOG. AND SO I CAN SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIND THAT FINE BALANCE, RIGHT? I CAN -- I CAN COMMISERATE WITH, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL MAN CANTU AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A NO-KILL SHELTER, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. AND I DO FEEL THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE RIGHT NOW IS YOU'VE GIVEN YOUR NOTICE -- HOW LONG AGO, KATIE? >> Zanoni: MONTHS. MONTHS YEAH. >> Campos: YOU KNOW, YOU'RE -- IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND. I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE SEPTEMBER OR SOMETHING. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'M STILL HERE AND GOING STRONG AND EVERYONE AT ACS IS DETERMINED AND DEDICATED, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M STILL HERE UNTIL WE FIND SOMEONE WHO IS AS EQUALLY AS DEDICATED AS EVERYONE THAT'S THERE. >> Campos: AND I -- IT WAS A NICE SURPRISE TO HEAR THAT COUNCILMAN -- COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN DID ACTUALLY GET TO MEET ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY APPLICANTS HAVE APPLIED. BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. I -- IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE ANYONE HAS CALLED ME OR SAID -- BUT I -- IT'S -- I KNOW YOU KEEP SAYING, PETER. >> Zanoni: [INDISCERNIBLE] >> Campos: I KNOW YOU KEEP SAYING IT'S A HARD OR DIFFICULT POSITION TO FILL. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Campos: BUT, AGAIN, CAN YOU REMIND THE COMMUNITY WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE AND WHAT THAT BASE PAY IS NOW? >> Zanoni: SONY CAN GET THE DETAIL, BUT COUNCILWOMAN, AS I SAID EARLIER, I HAVE PUSHED THE LEVEL OF COMPENSATION FOR THIS POSITION TO A LEVEL THAT EVEN THE RECRUITER DIDN'T WANT TO DO. I TOLD THEM, DO IT ANYWAY. SO ONE OF THE HIGHEST PAID DIRECTORS. WE'RE GOING TO DO BASICALLY A COMPANY VEHICLE, OR A TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCE, A CLOTHING ALLOWANCE, A CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE, A RELOCATION PACKAGE BIGGER THAN ANY OTHER DIRECTOR WE'VE DONE, AND A SIGN-ON BONUS. THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> Campos: AND WHAT IS THE BASE SALARY THAT YOU'RE ASKING. >> Zanoni: I THINK IT'S $200,000, 200,000 IS THE MAXIMUM, SO IT'S ABOUT 170, 200,000. >> Campos: 200,000,. >> CLOSE TO IT. >> Campos: AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS A -- WHAT KIND OF A DEGREE? >> RIGHT. SO IN THE -- JUST LIKE WITH EXECUTIVES WHERE IT'S -- THE MINIMUM DEGREE IS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 10 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH ANIMAL WELFARE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE WITH FIELD OPERATIONS SHELTER CLINIC ALL THE OPERATIONS OF ANIMAL CARE. 10 YEARS BE PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE. ALSO IT'S PREFERABLE THAT IT'S A CITY OF, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THIS SIZE OR LARGER, AND ALSO, TOO, IT'S KNOWN ON THE APPLICATION THAT THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH CITY GATE TO IMPLEMENT THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN AS WELL. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH IMPLEMENTATION AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENT. >> Campos: OKAY. SO JUST TO GO BACK. OUR CITY IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS A 10-YEAR EXPERIENCE IN ANIMAL CARE SERVICES RIGHT? >> PROGRESSIVE, IDEALLY. PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE IN ANIMAL WELFARE. >> Campos: AND A BACHELOR'S DEGREE. SO THOSE ARE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU HAD FOR OUR PREVIOUS DIRECTORS FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN -- YOU KNOW, TO COME BACK TO YOU, PETER, WHEN YOU HIRED SOME OF OUR DIRECTORS THAT YOU DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. >> Zanoni: COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S A REAL CHARGED STATEMENT THERE. >> Campos: NO, IT'S THE TRUTH. >> Zanoni: NUMBER ONE -- LET ME FINISH. >> Campos: IT'S THE TRUTH. >> Zanoni: NUMBER ONE, NOT EVERY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR HAS THAT LEVEL OF QUALIFICATION. NUMBER TWO, WE REALLY NEED THE HR DIRECTOR AT THE PODIUM, BUT NUMBER TWO, YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE YEARS OF SERVICE, YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE EDUCATION, YOU CAN HAVE LIKE WORK EXPERIENCE. SO YEAH. >> Campos: OKAY. >> I'M JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR JOB OFFER. >> Campos: BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING -- BECAUSE I HEAR THAT WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LISTENING. >> Zanoni: YEAH, RIGHT. MAYBE COUNCILWOMAN, LET ME ADD TO THAT. THOSE ARE THE BASIC QUALIFICATIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT ROBOTS. >> Campos: WOW. >> Zanoni: I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE'RE NOT, SO WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO DISPARAGE YOU, I'M SAYING THAT FOR US, THAT WE SET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE REASON AND WE CAN JUSTIFY SOMETIMES SOMEBODY THAT MAY NOT FIT EXACTLY THAT, BECAUSE THEY FIT IN OTHER WAYS. >> Campos: YEAH. >> Zanoni: SO WE'RE DOING THAT. WE'VE DONE THAT WITH EVERY APPLICANT THAT'S APPLIED FOR ANIMAL CARE. OKAY, WE'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY, YOU HAVE 9.6 YEARS, SO, NO, YOU'RE OUT. >> Campos: BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, PETER, IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT HIRES -- I MEAN, IT GOES THROUGH HR, YES -- >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Campos: -- BUT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING THE EMPLOYEES, WE ARE NOT AS COUNCIL. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. BY THE CHARTER. >> Campos: OKAY. SO YOU MAKE NOS DECI THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS BASED ON PAPER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR YEARS, 10 YEARS, AND ALL THAT -- >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Campos: -- SO I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION OUT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY ANIMAL ADVOCATES HERE THAT COULD SURELY HELP GET SOMEONE QUALIFIED HERE. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL KNOW PEOPLE, AND I KNOW -- BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT FINDING HOMES AND IN OTHER STATES AND, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER AREAS, SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF YOU COULD GET INPUT FROM THE ANIMAL COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION THAT I HAVE, AND THE OTHER JUST, IF YOU CAN, PROVIDE US WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MONTHLY REPORTS ON A REGULAR BASIS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWO MAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU. DID I SKIP MARK? >> Scott: I THINK I'VE GOT THE CAROLYN VAUGHN DISEASE. I'VE GOT MY LIGHTS ON, AND. >> Mayor Guajardo: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. >> Scott: QUIT TAKE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. RIGHT? GOD BLESS YOU PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, MY SENSE WAS THE CITY GATE WAS A BIG DEAL. Y'ALL SPENT A LOT OF ENERGY ON THAT. >> Zanoni: WE HAVE. >> Scott: I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. >> Zanoni: WE ARE. >> Scott: I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE A SUCCESS STORY. >> Zanoni: IT HAS BEEN. >> Scott: UNLESS SOMEBODY TELLS ME OTHERWISE. I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE, MAYBE I MISSED THAT NOVEMBER MEMO IN ALL FAIRNESS, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I THINK DOING IT IN PUBLIC IS A COOL DEAL. I WILL TELL YOU THAT -- THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT A VET HAS TO SIGN OFF ON -- TO EUTHANIZE AN ANIMAL, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WHETHER I TRUST YOU OR NOT -- AND I DO -- THERE'S A THIRD PARTY, AND IT'S A PROFESSIONAL WITH A LICENSE WHO'S MADE AN OATH, RIGHT, THAT'S SIGNING OFF ON THAT DOCUMENT SO THE REAL ISSUE WOULD BE IF WE THINK WE'RE FALSIFYING DOCUMENTS TO EUTHANIZE ANIMALS FOR SPACE THAT AREN'T FOR SPACE, THAT'S REALLY AN ACCUSATION TO OUR VET. THAT'S MY TAKE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU ARE, BY THE WAY. MY SENSE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT EUTHANIZING FOR SPACE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT GOES ON -- IF WE MAKE THAT DECISION. PETER, MY -- I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I'M AT: WE GO TO THIS FLOUR BLUFF DEAL LAST NIGHT. I'M LISTENING TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR HELP BECAUSE VAGRANTS HAVE TAKEN OVER NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S COLD AND THEY'RE STARTING, YOU KNOW, FIRES IN ABANDONED HOUSES AND I'M SITTING THERE THINKING THE WHOLE TIME HOW WE ELIMINATED -- YOU DIDN'T. WE DID -- ELIMINATED THE DEMOLITION FUND FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW, 600, I THOUGHT IT WAS 600. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THE VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION ALSO -- >> Scott: RIGHT. AND I REMEMBER HOW IT WENT DOWN AND I OWN SOME RESPONSIBILITY, THIS AND THAT, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING, IF THOSE FOLKS -- IF WE JUST HAD THAT FUND -- BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GET PRIVATE COMPANIES TO VOLUNTEER AND THEY CAN -- CHEAPER BETTER FASTER FRIENDLIER, BUT THE REAL ISSUE WAS, WE HAVE AN AREA OF TOWN, RIGHT, THAT HAS THIS ISSUE. AND THEY NEED -- IT'S FINE. IT'S A MONEY DEAL. AND SO I'M ALL INTO CITY GATE, YOU KNOW, I EUTHANIZED ONE OF MY LABRADORS TODAY -- YESTERDAY, SO I'M REALLY SENSITIVE TO THIS WHOLE CONCEPT BECAUSE HE WAS MY SHADOW. SO I'M REAL SENSITIVE TO THAT. SO I'M WITH YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE CITY GATE. THAT'S MY TAKE. IS CITY GATE LAID OUT A PLAN, WE SPENT A FORTUNE ON THEM, THEY DID A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHERE WE'RE AT, LET'S CELEBRATE IF WE REALLY ARE A SUCCESS, WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? BUT I ALSO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DESPERATELY NEED SOME FINANCIAL HELP THAT WE CAN'T PROVIDE BECAUSE OF BUDGET ELIMINATIONS. AND THAT'S NOT A "YOU." THAT'S "US." I JUST WANTED TO ARTICULATE THAT IN THE GROUP, IF YOU HAD BEEN IN THE FLOUR BLUFF MEETING LAST NIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE GONE, AWE, MAN, WE HAD A FUN THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED THAT FIRE THAT WE ELIMINATED BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS IS DEMOLISHING ABANDONED HOUSES SO THEY DON'T BECOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR VAGRANTS. >> Zanoni: AND THE RE REGISTRATION OVER THEM. MOST OF THE FIRES OVER THE LAST QUARTER HAVE BEEN VACANT BUILDINGS. HE'LL SEND ME REPORTS WHEN THERE'S A FIRE. AND I'M ASKING HIM NOW IS IT A VACANT OR ACTIVE HOME. AND MOST OF THEM ARE VACANT. SO WE'RE SPENDING TONS OF DOLLARS ON OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO VACANT HOMES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ARE VACANT. >> Scott: IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR RAN OVER AND KNOCKED ON TWO OTHER HOUSES, THEY CLAIMED THEIR LIVES. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. A LOT OF NEEDS THAT MEAN A LOT TO A LOT ZERO PEOPLE THAT'S IMPORTANT. I SUPPORT CITY GATE, LOOKING FORWARD TO A GO-FORWARD PLAN. JUST KEEP ME IN THE LOOP. >> Zanoni: IT WAS A REALLY WELL-DONE REPORT IN NOVEMBER. >> Scott: I'M SO SORRY. >> Zanoni: WE'LL PUT THAT SAME REPORT AND PRESENTATION ON THE MEETING IN JANUARY, 27TH. AND WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE WITH CITY GATE. THEY'VE BEEN WITH US FOR OVER TWO YEARS, AND SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. JAN GLIKMAN, ONE OF THE AGENTS FROM CITY GATE THAT'S WITH US IS LIKE STAFF AUGMENTATION, THEY'RE HELPING US ON THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO, WILL HELP US DEVELOP A PROGRAM TO INVEST MORE MONEY. >> Scott: AND I APPRECIATE OUR OTHER SHELTERS IN TOWN. I KNOW SAN JACINTO, MY EMPLOYER, IS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO ONE OF THEM. WE'RE ON WHAT THEY CALL THE WALL OF FAME. AND IT'S NOT ME, THAT'S THE COMPANY'S CONTRIBUTION, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL DO. I -- THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. AND SONIA, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. LET'S JUST FOLLOW THE LEAD OF CITY GATE AND MOVE AS FAST AS WE CAN, AND CAN AFFORD. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE SMALL CORRECTION. IT WASN'T 92 THAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE COMPLETED 96. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> Scott: A COUPLE OF THOSE WERE JUST RIGHT NOW? >> YES. >> Scott: PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WANT TO THANK THE SECOND ROW OF THE LADIES, VERONICA AND SO MANY OF YOU, I'M NOT NAMING BY NAME, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU DO. I GET A LOT OF THE CALLS, WE ALL DO. AND THAT, THOUGH -- WELL, NO, DON'T BE SORRY FOR THAT, VERONICA, BECAUSE I THINK -- AND MAYBE IT IS UNDERSTANDING. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU, COUNCILMAN CANTU, BRINGING THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT CARING ABOUT THE ANIMALS. AND WE ALL DO. Y'ALL KNOW THAT. HOW MANY ANIMALS HAVE WE SAVED ON A PHONE CALL -- I MEAN, I WAS ON A TEXT EARLIER ABOUT A STRAY, A DOG -- YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? SO -- BUT IT SHOULDN'T WORK THAT WAY. AND AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, THERE -- IT'S A VERY LONG JOURNEY AND YOU ALL WHO ARE IN THE TRENCHES LITERALLY, IT'S HARD. I GET IT, TO HAVE THAT PATIENCE. WE'RE UP HERE GOING -- I WAS AT THIS MEETING IN FLOUR BLUFF LAST NIGHT, A WOMAN IN TEARS BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN HER HOME, IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR -- RIGHT IN THE SAME VICINITY, THE FIRE. AND THE FIRE WAS SET BECAUSE OF A VAGRANT HOMELESS PERSON. IT WAS TERRIBLE LAST NIGHT, WHAT WE HEARD. I THINK I TEXTED YOU ABOUT IT. >> Zanoni: THE CHIEF TOLD ME ABOUT IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE CHIEF DID. I TEXTED HIM AND HE SENT SOMEONE. >> Zanoni: THE FIRE CHIEF. >> Mayor Guajardo: THE POINT IS, THAT DEMOLITION FUND MATTERS. IT ALL MATTERS. BUT WE NEED RESPONSIBLY, TO DO THIS RESPONSIBLY, BECAUSE HOW RESPONSIBLE WOULD IT BE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING TO SAVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL. YOU CAN'T -- YOU HAVE -- TO ME RESCUES FOSTER. WE HAVE TO STRENGTHEN THAT. THAT DOESN'T TAKE A CONSULTANT. THAT DOESN'T TAKE $200,000 DIRECTOR, TO ME, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM Y'ALL. I WANT TO KNOW, WHO'S -- WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? YOU KNOW, WHO'S -- WHO'S CREATING OR IMPROVING -- LET'S -- LIKE LOW-HANGING FRUIT. FORGET 1,000 KENNELS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND AIR CONDITION. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT OUR ANIMALS. IT ALL MATTERS. BUT HOW ABOUT WE JUST START WITH LOW-HANGING FRUIT. TO ME, FOSTER AND RESCUE IS WHERE WE HAVE TO START BECAUSE IF EVERY TIME I GET THAT CALL, AND WE HAVE SOMEWHERE -- YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT CCAC, AND WE HAVE A STRONG -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT -- YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE -- THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO -- I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP, AND THOSE ARE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ON OUR LEVEL, BUT THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SEE -- AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW I HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T THINK IT TAKES ALL OF THIS RIGMAROLE TO ADDRESS, AND THAT IS THE APPLICATION FOR RESCUES. I HEAR IT IS TOO COMPLICATED, IT'S RIDICULOUS, AND IT'S JUST -- I MEAN, TO THE POINT WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, FORGET IT. AND SOME PEOPLE, I THINK, WE'RE TALKING EVEN OUT OF STATE RESCUES THAT HELP US OR NOT. AND SO I DON'T -- I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO ADDRESS ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST -- I'M STATING I GET WHERE THIS IS ALL COMING FROM. I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE, I WAS THE ADVOCATE TO START THE SPAY AND NEUTER, THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS CITY UNTIL I SAID WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE MONEY, AND IT WAS 500,000. AND GREG SMITH SAID -- I'M GOING TO CUT IT IN HALF. I SAID I'LL TAKE THE 250. THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING. BUT IT STARTED. AND WE HAVE HAD SPAY AND NEUTER AT $250,000 FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. THAT'S ONE LITTLE THING. BUT YOU ALL KNOW, THAT IS MAJOR. SO WE REALLY -- WE, THIS COUNCIL, NEEDS TO KNOW OUT OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THEY ARE SAYING, RIGHT, CITY GATE, THESE -- ALL THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, AND WE GET IT. WHAT IS THE PRIORITY? IS IT BUILDING THE KENNELS? IS IT AIR CONDITIONING THEM? IS IT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ANOTHER 250 INTO SPAY AND NEUTER, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE? IS -- IS IT INVESTING IN THE RESCUE PROGRAM AND THE FOSTER PROGRAM? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE IT JUST COMES TO US FROM ALL SIDES. AND THEN YOU HEAR THE BAD STORIES. YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU ALL DO. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I KNOW I GET -- I GET A LITTLE SASSY SOMETIMES, TOO, GOING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS AND CANNOT YOU GO IN THE BACK? THERE'S A CHURCH PARKING LOT, JUST GO BACK THERE AND CHECK ON THE DOG. AND SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH ALL OF US, BECAUSE I THINK YOU GET CALLS FROM EVERYBODY, BUT -- BUT WE ARE, AS COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ MENTIONED, WE ARE INVESTING. DO WE NEED MORE? YES. BUT I -- HERE'S MY WORD TO YOU, MY ADVICE TO YOU, WHEN THAT BUDGET COMES AROUND, THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU TO SAY -- WE CAN'T DO IT ALL, BUT YOU CAN PICK ONE THING AND SAY, DOUBLE THE SPAY AND NEUTER. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT AN EXTRA 250,000, OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. ANYHOW, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, AND LADIES, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND EVERYTHING -- AND GENTLEMEN SORRY. YOU'RE THERE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON, COUNCILMAN BARRERA, AND THEN WE'RE VERY LATE ON OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCILWOMAN? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK IT'S VERY -- THIS IS A TOPIC THAT IS HIGH EMOTION FOR A LOT OF US, MOST OF US. WE CARE ABOUT OUR ANIMAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SO MUCH AND I THINK A LOT OF US PROBABLY HAVE SOME AT HOME AND SO IT TOUCHES OUR HEARTS DEARLY. AND SO IT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THOSE TEXT MESSAGES THAT ARE JUST REALLY DIFFICULT TO READ AND THE CHALLENGES WHEN WE COME IN THIS SETTING AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVE IS, THERE'S A CONSULTANT AND WE'RE FOLLOWING A, B, C, AND D. AND WE'RE NOT DOING ALL THE THINGS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE ARE HAPPENING, AND THEN WE LEAVE THIS ROOM AND THEN THE TEXTS AND EVERYTHING COME IN AND SAY, NONE OF THAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE NOTHING'S CHANGING. EVERYTHING'S STILL NOT WORKING PERFECTLY. AND IT'S OUR JOBS, COLLECTIVELY, TO BRIDGE THOSE GAPS, TO BRIDGE THE GAPS OPERATIONALLY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OFFERING A GOOD SERVICE AND TO BRIDGE THE GAP PRESENTATION THROUGH COMMUNICATION. I THINK IT WAS IN MARTHA WE HAD THE LAST CITY GATE PRESENTATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> MAY OR JUNE, I BELIEVE, SHE CAME IN THE SUMMER. >> Paxson: A LITTLE LATER. >> Zanoni: YEAH, MIDYEAR LAST YEAR BEFORE THE BUDGET, I THINK BUT YEAH. >> Paxson: OKAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IF WE WERE TO TAKE ALL 169 RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS CONSULTANT, THIS PROFESSIONAL AND CATEGORIZE THOSE DOWN, WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR SERVICES, HOW WE CARE FOR THE ANIMALS. IMPROVE OUR CONNECTION TO THE PUBLIC, HOW DO WE ANSWER THOSE PHONES, WHAT'S OUR STATISTICS ON BEING SUCCESSFUL ON THE CALLS FOR THE STRAYS, AND HOW ACCESSIBLE ARE WE? WHAT'S OUR PUBLIC MESSAGING? AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING THE SITE AND OUR STAFFING -- INCREASING OUR STAFFING. SO WE TAKE THIS BIG CHUNK OF 169 ITEMS AND WE NEED TO PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN SAY TANGIBLY, PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THESE CALLS THROUGH. HOW MANY OF THE CALLS THAT COME THROUGH ARE WE ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL ON? THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF VERY EASY ANSWERS THAT HELP. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT THAT WE GOT DECEMBER 12TH, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR PAGES, MAYBE THREE AND THREE QUARTERS OF WHAT THEY'RE TITLED AS COMPLETED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THERE'S SOME ASTERISKS FOOTNOTES. I'M NOT SURE FROM READING THIS DOCUMENT IF EVERYTHING IN THE TABLE THAT'S LISTED AS COMPLETED IS COMPLETED OR JUST THE ITEMS UNDER ASTERISKS. SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT SOP 61, SOP 85, THOSE TWO ITEMS 61 SAYS DO NOT USE LENGTH OF STAY AS A REASON FOR EBI. HOLD ANIMALS AS LONG AS SPACE ALLOWS AND REMOVE ALL 14-DAY REFERENCES FROM SOPS. THIS READS THAT THAT'S A COMPLETED RECOMMENDATION. >> CORRECT. >> Paxson: SO WE NO LONGER ARE DOING THAT OLD PROCESS, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> Paxson: OKAY. THANK YOU. GOING DOWN TO 85, BUILD STRONG PARTNERSHIPS WITH RESCUES AND ENSURE THAT PLACEMENT ORGANIZATIONS OPERATE IN A HUMANE MANNER, REVIEW AND UPDATE RESCUE PARTNER SOP MOU APPLICATION PROCESS AND TRANSFER BARRIERS -- >> ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PUT INTO PLACE. >> Paxson: SO ANOTHER -- I'M SORRY. >> I'M SO SORRY. >> Paxson: ANOTHER CAVEAT TO THAT WOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE YOUR -- KIND OF LIKE ONLINE PRESENCE RECOMMENDATIONS. DO WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THOSE SHELTERS, OF ALL OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS, OF ALL THE RESOURCES THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SEEK HELP WITH? IF THOSE ARE TO BE COMPLETED, THEN THEY'RE ALL KIND OF CONNECTED RIGHT? >> SO. YES. WE DO HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE EITHER BY THE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD, ON THE WEBSITE AND AS WELL AS IN THE OFFICE WHEN YOU COME IN. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY GATE, I HAVE REDONE THE RESCUE APPLICATION, WE HAVE DONE THE RESCUE AGREEMENT. AND WE HAVE ALSO IMPLEMENTED A PROCESS OF DRIVING ANIMALS UP TO THREE HOURS, BECAUSE MOST OF OUR RESCUE POOLS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GULF COAST, ARE OUT OF THE STATE. AND SO WE WILL DRIVE UP TO THREE HOURS TO MEET THE TRANSPORTERS. SO THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE INDICATED AS COMPLETED, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, PUT THE POLICIES INTO PLACE, PUT THE ACTIVITIES INTO PLACE TO MAKE THEM COMPLETED. >> Paxson: AND THE VOLUNTEER SECTION WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THOSE -- THE ACCESS TO VOLUNTEER, HAVE WE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS? >> SO WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE AND HOLD A POSITION FOR A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, WHO HAS BEEN HIRED. SHE DOES HAVE THE JOB OF BUILDING THAT VOLUNTEER PROGRAM FROM THE GROUND UP. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO PROMOTE AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE ENGAGING, BUT, YES, WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN VOLUNTEERS, BUT AS WITH ALL THINGS, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO BUILD AROUND MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE PROGRAM. >> Paxson: IS THERE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO UTILIZE VOLUNTEERS STRATEGICALLY IN THE DEPARTMENT FROM CITY GATE, OR IS SHE HAVING TO BUILD ALL THAT? >> SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR VOLUNTEERS, SOME FROM CITY GATE, SOME FROM VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATIONS, OTHER SHELTERS. WE HAVE SENT HER TO SAN ANTONIO, WE HAVE HAD HER SPEAK TO NONPROFITS. I'VE ALSO PUT HER IN TOUCH WITH A MANAGEMENT -- A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PEER AND CONSULTANT -- PEER GROUP THAT YOU CAN BE A MEMBER OF -- PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, THERE WE GO. AND THEN AS FAR AS WITH CITY GATE, WE DO MEET AND DISCUSS OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE GO OVER, AND THEY'RE UPDATED ON WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT HER CURRENT OBJECTIVES ARE. >> Paxson: OKAY. AND PART OF THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING SOMEONE REALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ADOPTION BRANCH, IF YOU WILL, OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING TYPE THING. LIKE LET'S REALLY EMBRACE THESE PETS. COME GET THESE PETS ADOPTED, THESE ARE OUR RESOURCES. ARE WE DOING ALL OF THAT TYPE OF THING? >> SO WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A COMMUNITY OUTREACH MANAGER. >> Paxson: STILL LOOKING. >> BUT WE ARE PARTNERING CLOSELY WITH COMMS AND CITY GATE, WE HAVE CREATED A SCHEDULE FOR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON MAKING SH YOU'RE THAT OUR GOOD NEWS STORIES ARE GETTING OUT, FOR OUR ANIMALS THAT HAVE PLACEMENT, WE HAVE ADOPTION EVENTS. WE ARE SIGNING UP FOR THE LARGER COMMUNITY VAICTS THAT OCCUR, LIKE WE'RE GOING TO THE HOME AND GARDEN IN THE FALL, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO SPREAD WORD ABOUT OUR ADOPTION PROGRAM. AND SO, YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE ANIMALSED DON'TED. WE HAD 1200 ANIMALS ADOPTED IN 2025, SO THAT IS AN INCREASE FROM WHAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE. SO THE PIECES ARE COMING TOGETHER. >> Paxson: THANK YOU FOR THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME WAS WE HEAR A LOT IS I CALL AND I CALL AND I EITHER DON'T GET A CALLBACK OR NOBODY IS DISPATCHED, AND BASICALLY THE CONSTITUENT RECOGNIZES DISTRESS OR RECOGNIZES AN ISSUE AND THERE'S NOT -- THERE'S A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THEM REACHING OUR RESOURCES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT 100% OF THE TIME IT ENDS UP LIKE THAT, LIKE I MAYBE NOT GET THE TEXT THAT THEY CALLED THEM BACK AN HOUR LATER, BUT THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS DEDICATING SOMEONE TO PICKING UP THE PHONE AND MAKING THOSE CALLS BACK. SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. AND WHAT OUR METRICS ARE ON DISPATCHING TO THOSE CALLS AND HOW MANY CALLS WE'RE MISSING. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER BECAUSE MY TIME'S UP, I HAD A CONSTITUENT REACH OUT WITH AN IDEA IN AUSTIN THEY ACTUALLY UTILIZE THEIR UNIVERSITY VETERAN'S PROGRAMS TO PARTNER WITH THEIR ACS AND OFFER THREE SPAYING, NEUTERING MICROCHIPPING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO CITY RESIDENTS. DO WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THOSE TWO THOUGHTS MPLES THANK YOU. >> SOME OF THOSE WE WILL HAVE TO COMPILE INFORMATION ON, LIKE THE CALLS AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF CALLS WE'VE RECEIVED, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AS FAR AS WHEN THEY'RE ANSWERED. THAT DOES COME THROUGH THE I.T. AND COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT. WE DO RESPOND TO CALLS, WE HAVE HIRED A SECOND DISPATCHER SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE AND DISPATCH CALLS MORE EFFECTIVELY. AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING TWO MORE INDIVIDUALS TO HELP WORK THE FRONT DESK AND TAKE INCOMING CALLS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY ALSO GO THROUGH 311, SO THE PIECES ARE BEING PUT INTO PLACE. THE STAFF IS BEING RETAINED AND TRAINED AND HIRED. SO AS WE MAKE -- AS WE GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED AND THE PEOPLE ARE HERE, THE TRAINING IS COMPLETED. WE'LL DEFINITELY SEE MORE IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE ARE SEEING IMPROVEMENT NOW. >> Paxson: PETER, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO STEAL 10 SECONDS. I THINK THAT'S A PIVOTAL COMPONENT. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO STRENGTHEN THAT. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Paxson: THAT IS OUR DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO IF WE ARE STILL LACKING THERE -- THEY'RE TRYING, THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL IT IN, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET, BUT THERE'S A DEFICIENCY, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A CREATIVE WAY TO SURROUND THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S -- THAT ACTUAL CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S A REALLY KEY THING TO FOCUS ON. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE AGREE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS MORE PHASING IN THE CITY GATE PLAN, BUT THERE'S MORE STEPS. THERE'S MORE TO BE ADDED BASED ON THE CITY GATE RECOMMENDATIONS. I SUSPECT SOME OF THAT IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> Zanoni: SO IT'S IN THE PLAN, IT'S JUST A MATTER NOW OF FUNDING AND WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING IN DAY ONE, RIGHT, SO IT'S A PHASING. AND THEN THE FUNDING FOR THE BUDGET. >> Mayor Guajardo: R. >> AND WE HAVE THE POSITIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH MANAGER IS OPEN. >> Mayor Guajardo: GUYS, I HAT TO CUT THIS OFF, BUT IT'S 6:00. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WAITING SINCE 5:30 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PLUS I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK. >> Zanoni: WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK ON THE LAST MEETING OF THIS -- YOU'VE GOT A LOT COMING ON THE LAST MEETING OF THIS MONTH. >> Zanoni: WELL -- >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. OKAY. AS LONG AS Y'ALL HAVE TIME. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Cantu: ON THE NEXT ITEM, YOU GUYS CAN TALK ON ITEM -- I KNOW MOST OF Y'ALL DIDN'T DO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT Y'ALL CAN TALK ON THE OTHER ITEM, I'M GOING TO DO A MOTION AND TRY AND GET A VOTE FOR SOMETHING, SO Y'ALL GUYS CAN TALK. SO JUST STAY TIGHT. THE PUBLIC COMMENT'S ONLY 16 PEOPLE, SO WE SHOULD BE OUT OF HERE PRETTY QUICK, TO THE NEXT ITEM. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BARRERA? >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF. FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING WHACK A MOLE. YOU'VE GOT LIMITED RESOURCES AND YOU'RE DOING AN AMAZING JOB. I KNOW KATHLEEN YOU AND SONY HAVE FACED PUBLIC SCRUTINY OVER YOUR BACKGROUND. OFTEN TIMES I TELL PEOPLE JUST HIRE PEOPLE BASED ON WORK ETHIC. HE KNEW THE CHARACTER OF YOU TWO AND YOU PUT A TEAM TOGETHER. WITH WHAT LITTLE YOU HAVE, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO REALLY CRUSADERS' WORK. AND I KNOW THE PROBLEM IS REALLY THE COUNCIL PROBLEM, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FOUND THE RESOURCES. AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU, PETER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAD CITY MANAGEMENT THAT IT WASN'T ON THE RADAR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CHIEF MARKLE HANDLED IT THE BEST WAY HE COULD WITH THE RESOURCES THAT HE HAD AVAILABLE, BUT IT TOOK A CITY MANAGER WITH VISION TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN A CONSULTANT TO TELL US PROFESSIONALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WRONG AND TO WEED THROUGH ALL THE -- YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF INFORMATION AND THE FACT THAT -- AND YOU'VE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. AND I THINK OUR BUDGET COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING. AND I JUST WANT TO TELL MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO HIRE PEOPLE WHEN THEY SEE ALL THE PUBLIC SCRUTINY AND THE PUBLIC CRITICISM THAT INDIVIDUALS, IF THEY'RE WATCHING ON YOUTUBE, THEN THEY MAY BE DISCOURAGED FROM -- NO MATTER WHAT THE BENEFITS MAY BE OR THE SALARY MAY BE, THEY MAY WITH DISCOURAGED FROM COMING TO WORK HERE. AND -- BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE LIMITED RESOURCES. EVERYBODY HAS THOSE SAME PROBLEMS. SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. APPRECIATE ALL YOU'RE DOING AND SONY, PREACH APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DEVOTED TO THIS DEPARTMENT IN ADDITION TO ALL YOUR OTHER DUTIES. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN ROY? >> Roy: I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS REALLY BRIEF. YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HUNG IN THERE. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT YOU'VE SEEN ME AROUND THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE LAST ONE THAT I ADOPTED WAS BAILEY, AND SHE'S DOING WELL. AND BOOMER AND SHREDDER AND I COULD GO ON AND ON. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. IF YOU CAN AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADOPT, ADOPT. I MEAN, OUR DOGS -- YOU KNOW, I CAN'T -- THE JOY THAT OUR DOGS BRING TO US IS JUST -- YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT. SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M GOING TO START WITH MARILYNNA GARZA. >> MARILYNNA GARZA, DISTRICTED 1. I AM SPEAKING TODAY NOT ON BEHALF OF THE LIBRARY BOARD OR AS BEING THE CURRENT CHAIR. I'M SPEAKING JUST BECAUSE I'M A DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT WHO LOVES OUR LIBRARIES, WHOSE BEEN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS FOR A WHILE, AND YOU GUYS ENTRUST ME TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS. I'M TRYING TO STOP THE BLEEDING. WE'RE BLEEDING. AND I WANT TO TRY TO SAVE US AND I'M JUST NOTICING THAT WE'RE HAVING -- I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE SUPPORTING CITY STAFF. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TWO LIBRARIES THAT ARE STILL ON THE CUTTING BOARD, HART AND GARCIA RIGHT? THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT OTHER BODIES OF GOVERNMENT, LIKE CCISD CLOSING THE SEVEN SCHOOLS, THAT IMPACTS GARCIA, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE -- WE'RE MAKING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM BEFORE THE SCHOOL CLOSINGS. NOW THE SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED, THEY'RE IN DEEP HOT WATER. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEM SELLING US THE PROPERTY THAT THE GARCIA LIBRARY IS ON IS GOING TO SAVE US OR SAVE THEM, BUT WE WOULD SAVE A BELOVED LIBRARY THAT GIRL SCOUTS GO TO. YOU KNOW, I HAD TO TELL THAT GIRL SCOUT GROUP THAT THAT LIBRARY'S GOING TO CLOSE. THAT IT IS SLATED TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THE DESIGN AND MAY BE IN THE BOND WE'LL HAVE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE THAT DISTRICT 5 LIBRARY? 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS? WE HAVE A LIBRARY ALREADY THERE RIGHT? AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE HART LIBRARY THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT A PARTITION. WE ALSO ARE HAVING A -- THE UVALDE SHOOTING COURT PROCEEDING THAT'S OCCURRING, AND THE SOLUTION THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS GONE WITH IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO THESE PARTITIONS. AND WE'RE SPENDING, AGAIN, MONEY ON A CONSULTANT AFTER WE TOLD THEM NO, DO NOT DO THAT. $15,000. WE DON'T GOT THAT MONEY TO JUST BE FLYING AROUND. AND WE -- THE BOARD HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, CAN WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS? LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS HART, YOU KNOW, THIS CONTRACT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. WE HAVE A LAWYER ON THE BOARD WHO'S LIKE [DESCRIPTIVE NOISE] THIS CONTRACT'S GOT A LOT OF HOLES. IF I WAS IN COURT WITH THIS, I'D BE HAVING A FIELD DAY WITH THIS. THE STAFF IS NOT LISTENING TO US, AND THEY'RE PUTTING YOU GUYS IN A REALLY, REALLY HAIRY POSITION, ESPECIALLY DISTRICT 4 AND 5. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THE TIMING ON THIS, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING. THEY'RE GOING -- FLOUR BLUFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE, AND THAT PARTITION IS NOT GOING TO SAVE KIDS. IT'S NOT A BULLETPROOF PARTITION. AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT PARTITION? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE. WE'RE STILL OUTSIDE OF THAT LIBRARY. WE'RE NOT GETTING THE COOPERATION THAT WE NEED FROM THE CITY STAFF. I WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF. I'M TRYING TO HOLD DOWN THE BLEEDING. HELP ME STOP THE BLEEDING. THESE ARE EASY WINS, THIS IS LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT WE CAN SOLVE AND SAVE OUR LIBRARIES. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. GARZA. >> Zanoni: MAYOR, CAN I -- FOR THE RECORD, SO WE'RE NOT CLOSING ANY LIBRARIES, JUST -- WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE THE SURE THE COMMUNITY HEARS THE ACCURATE STUFF. SO NO LIBRARIES ARE CLOSING. WHEN WE DO TRANSITION THE GARCIA LIBRARY, IT WILL BE TO A BRAND-NEW LIBRARY. OKAY. SO IT'S -- ONCE WE BUILD -- DESIGN AND BUILD THE BRAND-NEW LIBRARY, WE'LL BUILD THE LIBRARY TO THE NEW LOCATION. THE HART LIBRARY IS NOT CLOSING, IT'S BEEN A PARTNERSHIP SINCE IT'S BEEN BUILT. AND SO SPACE TODAY AS IT HAS BEEN FOR DECADES, IT'S USED BY THE SCHOOL AND THEN SPACE IS USED BY THE CITY. AND IT'S -- IT'S PARTITIONED WITHOUT A PARTITION. SO IT MEETS STATE COMPLIANCE WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT THERE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IF WE PUT UP A WALL IN THE SPACE THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE TWO -- THEY'RE ALREADY SEPARATED TODAY. THEY'VE BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS. IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WE'VE CHANGED OUR POSITION QUITE A BIT WITH THE THE HART LIBRARY WHERE WE'RE NOT -- WE WERE GOING TO EXIT OUT OF THERE AND TRY TO GET BOUGHT OUT AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE STAYING THERE. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE. AND SO THE DISTRICT AGREED IN OUR AGREEMENT TO LET US USE THEIR LAND. AND SO -- BUT NONE OF THEM ARE CLOSING. WE'RE JUST MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS SO WE MEET STATE COMPLIANCE FOR THE DISTRICTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO WE ARE NOT CLOSING A LIBRARY. >> Zanoni: WE'RE NOT CLOSE CLOSING ANY LIBRARIES. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> Zanoni: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: E VARASLOS? NO? JEFF LEERMAN? >> MAYOR, I WAS ALSO SLATED TO SPEAK FOR A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM. IT'S COMING UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S -- I THINK I MAY HAVE SIGNED UP INADVERTENTLY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I HAVE A SPECIFIC COMMENT AS TO AN ITEM. IS NOW THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TALK OR ARE WE -- >> Mayor Guajardo: ITEM 25 IS GOING TO BE PULLED. >> OKAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT BACK ON JANUARY 27TH. >> THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THAT ALLOWED? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S JEFF LEERMAN, I'M AN ATTORNEY, ANDREWS AND LEERMAN, LAW FIRM, I'M COUNCIL FOR PHILLIP RAMIREZ WHO IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT ITEMS. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THE COUNCIL WHY. WHY IS THE COUNCIL STEPPING INTO THE SHOES OF THE COURT SYSTEM? ARE THERE OWN LEARNED LEGAL COUNSEL. LET'S REMEMBER HOW THIS IS ALL STARTED, AND THIS IS UNDISPUTED IN MY OPINION. A KNOWN HOTELIER AND COMPETITOR OF ELEVAY, AJ GEED DAVID MADE ANNAL GAITION TO CITY STAFF THAT A POWERPOINT WAS ALTERED. THE ALTERATION WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE A DATE FOR A FEMA FLOODPLAIN MASKED. THAL LIGATION WAS THAT THIS WAS A CRIME AND IT HAD BEEN COMMITTED BY MY CLIENT AS PART OF A PRESENTATION AND THE CITY SHOULD NOT VOTE TO APPROVE THE TYPE B FUNDING AS IT RELATES TO THAT. COUNCIL ULTIMATELY VOTED TO APPROVE THE PROBABILITY BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT AND IT WAS DESERVING OF TYPE B FUNDING. WHAT WE ALSO KNOW IS THAT MR. DAVID FILED A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AGAINST MR. RAMIREZ IN A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. FAST-FORWARD TO 2026, RAMIREZ HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CLEARED OF ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IT'S NOT MY OPINION. IT'S THE OPINION OF THE FBI, THE TEXAS RANGERS, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. SO THE NARRATIVE SURROUNDING THE ISSUE THAT HAS OCCUPIED SO MUCH OF THIS COUNCIL'S TIME WAS THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED AND THERE WAS DETERMINATION ON RECORD OF NO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SO THE CATALYST FOR ALL THIS CONTROVERSY HAS FOUND TO BE FALSE. THERE WAS NO CRIME. THE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT WAS TO INVESTIGATE THIS, ALL CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT'S LEFT? WHAT'S LEFT IS THE CIVIL LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY THE COMPETITOR AGAINST YOU, THE CITY, OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THAT CASE IS ONGOING. AND THERE SHOULD BE SIGNIFICANT RULINGS FROM THE COURT ON THAT CASE IN DUE TIME IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. FURTHER, THE CITY HIRED IN MY OPINION OUTSTANDING COUNSEL TO REPRESENT THE CITY IN THAT LAWSUIT. AND THEY PAID THEM FOR THAT. AND THE CITY OF LEGAL -- THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IN THAT LAWSUIT HAS NOT CHANGED THEIR POSITION, WHICH IS THAT THAT ORDINANCE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF ITEM 22, WAS PASSED LAWFULLY. SO IT'S THE OPINION OF THE OWN CITY'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT, IT'S THE OPINION OF THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, ACCORDING TO THE PLEADINGS, THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED LAWFULLY. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION THAT'S THE BASIS HAS BEEN DISPROVEEN. SO I ASK THE COUNCIL IF I CAN JUST BE SPARED A FEW EXTRA SECONDS, WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS AND WHY IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUING TO OCCUPY YOUR TIME? THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. LEERMAN. WHITNEY CHAPMAN. >> HI, GOOD EVENING. I'M WHITNEY CHAPMAN FROM CORPUS CHRISTI. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ANIMAL CARE SERVICES AND I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS COMMUNITY BUY-IN. WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE POPULOUS HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI ON BEING STEWARDS OF ANIMALS AND ADVOCATING FOR OUR ANIMALS. IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE STATE. I KNOW THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS SAN ANTONIAN MALS ALIVE. I'M SURE THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THAT. I THINK THAT WE CAN DO A LOT WITH OUR LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE AREA WITH WITHIN CCISD, FLOUR BLUFF, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION, NOT ONLY DOES IT STARTS IN HOMES, IT ALSO STARTS IN SCHOOLS. MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH. THERE ARE THINGS AND RESOURCES THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN A LIMITED BUDGET THAT CAN GO OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET, ADOPTION EVENTS, ART WALK'S REALLY, REALLY BIG, THE FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CAN THINK ABOUT. I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. CHAPMAN. SUZIE SALDAÑA? >> SUZIE LUNA SALDAÑA, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS RIGHT. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT I HAVE THE POLICE REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN ABOUT THE HOTELS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP THE ISSUE, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW SOME THINGS. I WANT TO BEGIN BY GROUNDING THE CONVERSATION OF FACTS. BECAUSE FACTS MATTER. AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE. THIS HAS BEEN A PERSISTENT CLAIM THAT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER TWO READINGS THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THAT I WENT OVER THIS CRIMINAL REPORT, I WENT OVER THE TESTIMONY, AND ON PAGE 149 OF THE INCIDENT INVESTIGATIVE REPORT QUESTIONS WERE DIRECTLY WHETHER THE ORDINANCE ITSELF CHANGED. THE ANSWER IS CLEAR, THE CAPTIONS CHANGED, NOT THE ORDINANCE. YES, THE REPORT DISCUSSED FEMA SCREENSHOTS PRESENTATION MATERIAL IT ACKNOWLEDGED CONCERNS ABOUT [INDISCERNIBLE] HOW THE INFORMATION WAS FRAMED, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS CHANGED. SO THE ORDINANCE WAS THE SAME, WHICH BRINGS ME TO WHY I'M HERE. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO KEEP RELEGISLATING AND AT WHAT COST? EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND PAYING AT ATTORNEYS TO REVISIT AN ISSUE WHERE THE RECORD IS ALREADY CLEAR IS A DOLLAR WE'RE NOT SPENDING ON RESIDENTS, IT'S A DOLLAR WE'RE NOT SPENDING TOWARDS FLOWING WATER THAT WE NEED. LET ME TELL YOU, WATER IS NOT AN OPTION. WATER IS LIFE. AND HERE, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE CHOOSING BETWEEN PAYING THEIR WATER BILLS, BUYING GROCERIES. IMAGINE IF JUST A PORTION OF THE MONEY YOU SPEND ON ATTORNEYS WOULD BE SPENT ON THEM. IMAGINE THAT. INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT, INSTEAD OF TAKING THAT MONEY, THAT MONEY'S GONE. PAID TO ATTORNEYS, PAID FOR ARGUMENTS THAT LEAD NOWHERE. PAID WHILE REAL NEEDS GO UNMET. I'M ASKING YOU AS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO CHANGE YOUR PRIORITIES, TO REMEMBER WHO YOU WORK FOR, TO REMEMBER THAT THIS, OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, EARNED BY PEOPLE WHO EXPECT THEM TO BE USED TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVES, NOT TO PROLONG DISCUSSIONS, NOT TO PROLONG SOME THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED. THE FACTS IS ON THE RECORDS. THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU PULLED ARE THE SAME. IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP AND IT'S TIME TO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE. WE ARE THE PEOPLE AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PUT IT BEHIND YOU. IT'S TIME TO WORRY ABOUT WATER. IT'S TIME TO WORRY ABOUT US, THE TAXPAYERS. TAKE A LOOK AT THE REPORT, PLEASE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. SALDAÑA. ROBIN COX. THEN WE'LL HAVE MELANIE SANCHEZ, TRAY ON, ELIZABETH PEÑA AND MELISSA NUSETTE. >> ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3. I'VE GOT THAT SAME REPORT, I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT REPORTS, BECAUSE THIS SHOULD SAY IT ALL. THIS IS HEATHER HULBERT, WHO WAS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND THIS IS HER UNDER DEPOSITION, SO SHE'S A SWORN DEPOSITION. >> THE FIRST TIME IT HAD THE FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATION IN IT AS THE BANNER REASON FOR GETTING THE $2 MILLION, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE HEADLINE. >> YES. >> OKAY. AND THE SECOND TIME, THE HEADLINE, THE THING THEY REPEAT FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES, IS WORDED DIFFERENTLY? >> YES, IT IS WORDED DIFFERENTLY. YES. >> OKAY. THE FIRST TIME IT HAD -- >> SO SHE'S LITERALLY SAYING IT'S WORDED DIFFERENTLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO, THE FIRST TIME IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE. THE SECOND TIME IT'S TALKING ABOUT PARKS, BEAUTIFUL THINGS, BUT THE VIDEO IS STILL THERE. CULBERTSON SAYS IN HIS SWORN TESTIMONY, IT WAS A BAD DEAL. HE GOT BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT WAS POLITICAL. YOU CAN GO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE ON YOUTUBE. PHILLIPRA MIM REZ, HIS ATTORNEY WAS THERE. PHILLIP RAMIREZ HAS MADE A PRETTY GOOD LIVING OFF THIS CITY. LET'S SEE, I GUESS FRIENDSHIPS PAY OFF. HIS JOBS, POLICE ACADEMY, POLICE STATION, SHERRILL PARK, RETAMA LIBRARIES, TWO WASTEWATERS, HE SAID IT WAS ONLY ABOUT $2 MILLION. WOW, ONLY ABOUT $2 MILLION. TELL THAT TO CITIZENS HERE TRYING TO PAY THEIR WATER BILLS AND I WANT TO SAY, I'M NOT GETTING PAID BY ANYBODY. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS MONEY COULD BE GOING TO OTHER THINGS, HEY, WELL LET'S NOT PROSECUTE DRUG DEALERS, RAPISTS, THAT MONEY COULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I'M SORRY, I'M REALLY GETTING ANGRY ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. PHILLIP RAMIREZ, HE WAS ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF THAT LITTLE DESAL PLANT WITH KIEWIT. HE'S DONE PRETTY GOOD. WHEN ASKED IF HE'S FRIENDS WITH THE MAYOR, HE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT FRIENDS. DOUG ALLISON ASKED HIM, GO TO ANY UT GAMES? NO, I JUST RUN INTO HER AT UT GAMES. HOW MANY HAVE YOU BEEN TO A UT GAME? BECAUSE THE CHANCE OF RUNNING INTO SOMEBODY THERE, THAT'S -- IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, YOU'RE THE SAME PEOPLE STANDING OUTSIDE WAITING FOR THE BASS PRO SHOP TO OPEN. AND THEY SAID, OH, DO YOU GO DRINKING AT THE COUNTRY CLUB? YOU KNOW, Y'ALL MAY NOT THINK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MEMBERS OF THE COUNTRY CLUB THAT WE DON'T HEAR THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR KIDS ARE WAITERS THERE. YEAH, PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T THINK WE'D HANG OUT WITH AND THEY'RE LISTENING TO THINGS. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, BILLS ARE GETTING RUN UP, THERE'S DONATIONS -- THEY SAID DID YOU DONATE TO THE MAYOR'S -- ONLY $1,500, 2,000. THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAKE A MONTH HERE, 1500, 2,000. THEY SAID THE COUNCIL'S THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATED, IT'S OVER. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT INVESTIGATION, THAT'S LIKE ASKING THE FOX TO INVESTIGATE WHO'S WATCHING THE HEN HOUSE. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE PONCHO 53 OWE AND DON QUINTOA RETURNING THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: MELANIE SANCHEZ. WOW. >> GOOD EVENING, MELANIE SANCHEZ, CORPUS CHRISTI. REAL QUICK, I SHOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED DURING THAT LAST ITEM. I'M SORRY THAT I DID. YOU GUYS HAVE A REALLY TOUGH JOB, AND I APPRECIATE IT. AS YOU KNOW, THE HART LIBRARY IS A BUILDING OWNED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND THAT BUILDING EXISTS ON LAND OWNED BY FLOUR BLUFF ISD. THIS CAME TO BE IN A CONTRACT SIGNED BY THE CITY AND FBISD IN THE '90S, IT RESULTED IN A BEAUTIFUL UNION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND FLOUR BLUFF STUDENTS AND STAFF. IT'S CLEAR TO ME WHEN I SEE HART HOW WELL IT HAS BEEN LOVED. BUT 30 YEARS HAVE PASSED AND THE CLIMATE AROUND SCHOOL SAFETY IS BEYOND SAFETY. THE UVALDE TRIAL WE'RE HOSTING IS RIGHT ON THAT POINT. WILL THE UNION CONTINUE? IF SO HOW? HOW WILL THEY SEPARATE. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS AND NEITHER DO YOU, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE A LIBRARY BOARD. THAT BRINGS ME TO THE TWO MOST RECENT LIBRARY BOARD MEETINGS. ON DECEMBER 2ND, AN UPDATE WAS ASKED. THEIR RESPONSE WAS TO PUT TEMPORARY PARTITIONS INSIDE HART WHILE THE CITY AND FBISD WORKED THINGS OUT. THE PARTITIONS WOULD BE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC AND FB STUDENTS PUBLIC FOR SAFETY REASONS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, IF THE UNTHINKABLE HAPPENS, I DON'T TRUST PARTITIONS TO KEEP ANYONE SAFE. AS ALL SEVEN LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS AGREED WITH THAT SENTIMENT. THEY KILLED THE IDEA OF PARTITIONS RIGHT THEN AND THERE. THEY SAID NO. THEN ON JANUARY 6 THEY ASKED FOR ANOTHER UPDATE. CITY STAFF LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CITY WAS MOVING FORWARD WITH A STUDY ON PARTITIONS. IT WAS GOING TO COST $15,000 FOR THE STUDY ALONE, WHICH WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THE ALREADY TIGHT LIBRARY BUDGET. AGAIN, ALL SEVEN LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WERE APPALLED. I WAS BAFFLED. WHO MADE THAT DECISION AGAINST THE LIBRARY BOARD AND WHY? HERE'S ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE. PARTITIONS ARE A BAND-AID AND YOU CAN'T PUT A BAND-AID ON THIS PROBLEM. YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT ON THE BACK BURNER AND HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS. DETERMINE WHETHER YOU'RE STAYING IN THE BUILDING, KEEPING IT FOR THE CITY, OR SELLING IT TO FFISD. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: TRIAN SURBU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M TRIAN SURBU. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLIES. IN THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE, THERE WAS A PROVISION TO BE ABLE TO PUT A SECOND PIPELINE. WHY ISN'T THAT BEING PURSUED? IT SEEMS THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY FOR US TO HAVE SECURE WATER SUPPLIES. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ALREADY PURCHASED. THE POWER TO THE PUMP STATIONS IS ALREADY THERE. YES, YOU NEED NEW ADDITIONAL PUMP STATIONS AND ADDITIONAL WATERLINE. BUT IF YOU HAD AN ADDITIONAL FIVE-FOOT WATER LINE, I THINK THE TWO WOULD LARGELY SOLVE OUR WATER ISSUES. AND IF ONE BROKE DOWN, THE OTHER ONE WOULD STILL PUMP. THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER. IT CALLS FOR ALL THAT NEW EQUIPMENT AND PUMPING AND GATHER THE WATER AND CONNECT IT TO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE. WELL, IF THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS RUNNING FULL AND DELIVERING OUR WATER AND YOU ADD WATER TO IT, WE'RE STILL NOT GETTING ANY MORE WATER TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. SO THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. TO A BUNCH OF US. AND THEN THE LAST THING IF AND WHEN WE EVER DO DESALINATION, I WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU TO COMMIT THAT THE BRINE WOULD BE PUMPED OUT TO THE DEEP OCEAN, NOT INTO THE BAY, NOT TO THE CONTINENTAL SHELF. OVER THE CONTINENTAL SHELF TO THE DEEP OCEAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. AND, PETER, CAN SOMEBODY BE IN CONTACT WITH MR. SURBU? >> Zanoni: WE HAVE HIS CONTACT. WE'LL GIVE HIM A CALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. SURBU. THEY'LL CATCH YOU OUT HERE SO THEY CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. ELIZABETH PENA. >> HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH MARTIN PENA, A PROUD NATIVE OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I LIVE AT 6329 WHITAKER DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I WANT TO START BY SHARING SOMETHING PERSONAL. I HAVE RESCUED EIGHT DOGS ON MY STREET ALONE AND HAVE BEEN SPAYING AND NEUTERING CATS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 12 YEARS. I DO THIS BECAUSE I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ANIMALS THAT LIVE IN IT. BUT I CAN'T DO IT ALONE AND NEITHER CAN THE MANY COMPASSIONATE RESIDENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP. FIRST, ENFORCEMENT MATTERS. ANIMAL CRUELTY AND ABANDONMENT ARE NOT JUST ANIMAL ISSUES, THEY ARE COMMUNITY ISSUES. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ABUSE ANIMALS ARE FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE. STRONGER PENALTIES FOR ABUSE AND ABANDONMENT PROTECT BOTH ANIMALS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. SECOND, OUR CITY IS STRUGGLING WITH STRAY PROBLEMS. IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR ALONE, 271 STRAY DOGS AND CATS WERE TAKEN IN BY ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, YET 50 WERE EUTHANIZED SIMPLY BECAUSE OF SPACE AND MEDICAL LIMITATIONS. OUR LIVE RELEASE RATE DROPPED TO 78%. THE LOWEST IN YEARS. THIS IS HEARTBREAKING AND UNSUSTAINABLE. WE NEED MORE RESOURCES AND STAFF TO ENFORCE LAWS AND MANAGE INTAKE HUMANLY. THIRD, NO-KILL SHELTERS WORK. CITIES LIKE AUSTIN MAINTAIN A 95% LIVE RELEASE RATE, PROVING THAT WITH COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND FUNDING, EUTHANASIA FOR SPACE CAN BE ELIMINATED. NATIONALLY SHELTERS WITH STRONG VOLUNTEER AND FOSTER PROGRAMS ARE 40% MORE LIKELY TO ACHIEVE NO-KILL STATUS, SAVING THOUSANDS OF LIVES. FOURTH, COMPASSION SHOULD NEVER BE PUNISHED. MANY RESIDENTS FEED STRAY DOGS AND CATS OUT OF KINDNESS. THESE CAREGIVERS SHOULD NOT FACE FINES. FEEDING PROGRAMS IMPROVE ANIMAL HEALTH, REDUCE AGGRESSION, AND MAKE STERILIZATION EASIER. INSTEAD OF PENALIZING COMPASSION, LET'S PARTNER WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS FOR SPAY, NEUTER, AND VACCINATION EFFORTS. FINALLY, EXPANDING ANIMAL CONTROL IS AN INVESTMENT IN SAFETY AND COMPASSION. ADDING STAFF AND RESOURCES REDUCE STRAY POPULATIONS, PREVENTS BITES AND LOWER SHELTER OVERCROWDING. KILLING ANIMALS IS EXPENSIVE AND DEMORALIZING. PROACTIVE PROGRAMS LIKE FOSTERING AND RESCUE PARTNERSHIP SAVE MONEY AND LIVES. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> I URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE THESE CHANGES IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE -- >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> AND MAKE ANIMAL WELFARE TOP PRIORITY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. PENA. MELISSA. >> MELISSA, 6530 PEACOCK DRIVE, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS, 78414, DISTRICT 5. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE TABLE . IT'S THE ANIMAL ISSUE THAT I'M INTERESTED IN. I AM A FOSTER. I HAVE NEIGHBORS HELPING STREET PUPS OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW, I FEED ANIMALS THAT ARE STARVING AND I HELP CATS THAT ARE STARVING. I TNR CATS AND I ALSO TAKE DOGS TO GET SPAYED AND NEUTERED AND TRY TO GET THEM BACK TO THEIR OWNERS. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S VOUCHERS, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DRIVE THEIR ANIMALS OR SAY THEY CAN'T DRIVE THEM THERE. I'M SOMEBODY THAT THE CULTURE HAS CHANGED. WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, MY PARENTS SAID DOGS BELONGED OUTSIDE. BUT I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER ROY FOR LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE A SOUL. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SWIMMING POOLS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIBRARIES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOULS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE A SOUL. I TALK TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY TRYING TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST A DOG. IT'S A LIFE. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A SWIMMING POOL THAT'S GOING TO BE CLOSED NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, GOING TO BE OPEN THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, TO THE LIVES OF THESE DOGS? YOU JUST CAN'T. I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE SPACE AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE REALLY NICE KENNELS BUT YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY OUTBUILD THIS PROBLEM. IT'S WAY TOO MUCH MORE THAN JUST SPACE. WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO GO TO SCHOOLS AND TALK TO KIDS. WE NEED TO DO MORE. ANIMAL CONTROL IS EXPECTED TO DO A WHOLE LOT. I WAS AT AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE THEY SHOWED THAT IN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS -- I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY CALLS CAME IN, BUT IT WAS MORE THAN 3,000 CALLS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ANSWER THOSE CALLS. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING THOSE TEXTS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE UPSET. THAT'S WHY WE'RE CRYING. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANYBODY CALL ME BACK AND SAY WE FOLLOWED UP ON YOUR CALL, MELISSA. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME. THEY SAY YOU NEED TO PUT IN A LETTER THAT SAYS YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IN ABOUT 15 DAYS. I NEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SOMETHING CALLED A -- I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED BUT YOU PUT IN A LETTER AND YOU ASK THEM WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT CASE. OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. TAKES THREE WEEKS. AND YOU MIGHT GET SOMETHING BACK. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL YOU BACK AND SAY I WENT TO CHECK ON THAT DOG THAT WAS IN THE SUN. THERE'S 470 POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS CITY. WE DON'T HAVE 400 OFFICERS TO MAN THESE CALLS. THERE'S NO WAY. WHO ARE THEY GOING TO SEND? MAYBE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS THEY'LL GO CHECK ON THAT DOG THAT'S IN TROUBLE. BUT TWO WEEKS IS TOO LONG. BY THEN IT'S DEAD OR THE PEOPLE SIMPLY SAY WE DON'T HAVE A DOG. THIS IS LIKE HAVING A FOOTBALL GAME. THE GUY THROWS THE FLAG AND THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT. NO PENALTY. NOBODY LOSES ANY YARDS. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS A GAME THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WIN UNTIL YOU ENFORCE THE RULES AND YOU EDUCATE THE PEOPLE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SASKIA MARIE. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS SASKIA MARIE AND I WANT TO TALK A FEW SECONDS TO REQUEST AND MAKE A SUGGESTION . ONE WAY TO PERHAPS. >> City Secretary: ARE YOU A CITY RESIDENT, MA'AM? >> YES. I LIVE IN CORPUS CHRISTI, ZIP CODE 78414. I JUST WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT WE TRY TO INCORPORATE PERHAPS, IN OUR WATER BILL, BOTH ELECTRONICALLY AND HARD COPY, A DOLLAR. A DOLLAR DONATION THAT WILL GO TOWARDS ANIMAL WELFARE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT ANIMAL CONTROL IS DOING. IN FACT, MY PUP, HIS NAME IS ANJINE, WAS ADOPTED FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO FROM ANIMAL CONTROL AND WE LOVE HIM, LOVE HIM, LOVE HIM. CURRENTLY, I HAVE TWO ABANDONED STRAY PUPS IN MY HOUSE OR IN MY BACKYARD. THEY DON'T LIVE IN MY HOUSE. BUT IT'S ALL SET UP FOR THEM WHERE IT'S NICE AND COMFORTABLE, NICE AND WARM. THEY GET FED. AND THESE ARE ANIMALS THAT ARE STRAYS AND WERE STRAYS AND NOW ARE WITH ME. I CANNOT FIND A RESCUE FOR THEM OR ANYTHING SO I DECIDED JUST TO KEEP THEM. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT SUGGESTION REGARDING THE DONATION ON THE WATER BILL, EITHER ELECTRONICALLY OR HARD COPY. WE JUST ADD IT. $1 $1.50. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MATTHEW RANKIN. >> MATTHEW RANKIN, CORPUS CHRISTI, ALSO KNOWN AS HBL MATT. I LIKE TO THANK THE CITY. FOR THE FIRST TIME I'M OPENING CARRYING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS MEETING. I TOLD YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IT ALREADY HAPPENED. CORPUS HAD THE HONOR OF GETTING THE VERY FIRST ENFORCEMENT LETTER FROM KEN PAXTON TELLING YOU TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND YOU DID. GOOD JOB. CITY COUNCIL, YOU GUYS CAN CARRY NOW TOO SO IF YOU GOT A CARRY LICENSE, I RECOMMEND YOU CARRY AT THE MEETINGS. LET ME KNOW IF ANYBODY TELLS YOU YOU CAN'T. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN'T CARRY IN THIS ROOM NOW ARE THE CITY EMPLOYEES. SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TAKE THAT UP WITH YOUR EMPLOYERS, THE CITY POLICY. CITY EMPLOYEES AREN'T ALLOWED TO CARRY IN THIS BUILDING. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN'T NOW. AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I FOUND OUT WHY MY COMPLAINT AGAINST THE UNLAWFUL BANNING OF WEAPONS FROM A POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS DIDN'T GO THROUGH. YOU WILL BE GETTING ANOTHER ENFORCEMENT LETTER PRETTY SOON. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO REKEY THE ELEVATOR SO THAT ONLY SOMEBODY WITH A CARD CAN GET OFF ON THE SECOND FLOOR. CHANGE A COUPLE OF DOORWAYS AND STAIRWELL ACCESS DOORWAYS TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST BUT YOU'LL BE GETTING A LETTER FROM THE AG PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. GOING BACK TO DECORUM RULES. THANKS FOR FOLLOWING THE LAW AND EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES, MOSTLY. WE STILL GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE REST OF THE DECORUM RULES, THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ENFORCING NAUGHTY LANGUAGE RULES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. AS I'VE SAID, STATE LAW SAYS THAT ANYBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING CRITICAL HERE UNLESS THE WORDS COMING OUT OF THEIR MOUTH ARE A CRIMINAL OFFENSE BY ITSELF. ONCE AGAIN, F THE DECORUM RULES. YOUR RESPONSE THIS TIME? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. YES SIR. WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. YOU ARE BREAKING DE DECORUM . >> YOUR DECORUM RULES [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: SIR, YOU'RE BREAKING DECORUM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. RACHEL CABALLERO. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1. THEY SAY YOU CAN TELL HOW WELL A COMMUNITY IS BY HOW THEY TREAT THE LESS FORTUNATE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS ANIMAL THING AND MAKE IT A PRIORITY. I'M EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE OTHER PEOPLE COMING UP HERE, WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE OUR OPINIONS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GETS INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. THE CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY IN THE AJIT DAVID CASE IS STILL ACTIVE, SO THAT'S A LIE. AND THE REASON WHY THAT IS A LIE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND THAT DAIS THAT ARE AVOIDING DEPOSITIONS. SO WE KNOW THAT THE CASE IS STILL ACTIVE AND IN LITIGATION BECAUSE SOMEBODY, PEOPLE PERJURED OR CONFLICTED CITY STAFF, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WE'RE FORGETTING ALL THE SCHEMATICS INVOLVED IN THIS CASE, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE TYPE B BOARD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS NOT DOING GREAT THINGS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND READING ON THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WAS A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE. SO WE CAN'T GO OFF OF EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. WE HAVE TO DO OUR OWN RESEARCH, WATCH THE MEETINGS FROM THE PLAN B, THOSE MEETINGS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED. BUT THE CIVIL LAWSUIT IS STILL ACTIVE, OTHERWISE SOME OF YOU WOULDN'T BE HIDING FROM GETTING YOUR SECOND DEPOSITION. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN TURN OVER A NEW LEAF HERE, GUYS. IT'S A NEW YEAR AND WE START DOING THINGS LEGALLY. WE START BEING RESPONSIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND WE BECOME MORE TRANSPARENT, BECAUSE THAT'S NECESSARY AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: JASON HALE. >> HI, COUNCIL MEMBERS. JASON HALE, CORPUS CHRISTI. JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS QUICK. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER, CITY STAFF, AND CITY COUNCIL FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE FAR-FIELD ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I KNOW IT COST MONEY. YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED AFFORDABLE WATER SUPPLIES. BEFORE THAT, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FEASIBLE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE. AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WILL BE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING WITH THAT. THAT'S IT. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. HALE. MONA LYTLE. >> HAPPY NEW YEAR. THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IT WAS NOVEMBER 18, 2025. >> City Secretary: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY. >> FROM THE HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY OF HILLCREST. THE LAST TIME I MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE HILLCREST, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAD NOT BEEN ADVISED OF WHAT TO EXPECT OF THE DESAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND BACK IN 2021, THE CITY INVITED HRA, THE BOARD, TO COME TO THE CITY AND THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE INNER HARBOR, IT WAS AFTER THE PANDEMIC, OF THE INNER HARBOR. WE LEFT. THEN WE HAD A MEETING AT BROOKS A&M. ADAM CARRINGTON WAS STILL ALIVE THEN. WE HAD THE CITY TO LISTEN TO US. BUT DISTRICT 1, BILLY LERMA WAS IN DISTRICT 1. NOW, AFTER THAT, I LEFT HERE. I SAID MAYBE I'M WRONG. BUT I WENT TO THE SECRETARY OF HRA AND SAID GO THROUGH THE MINUTES. DID ANYONE FROM THE CITY COME TO HILLCREST AND ADVISE US WHAT TO EXPECT, WHAT'S COMING, ANY INFORMATION? WE NEVER GOT THAT INFORMATION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD A PICTURE THAT I GOT OFFLINE THAT I HAD BLOWN UP THAT SHOWED A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. IT SHOWED BROADWAY AND AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THINGS BUT IT DID NOT SHOW THE TRUE MEANING OF A DESAL PLANT IN HILLCREST. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I DID DO MY RESEARCH AND WE DO NOT HAVE NOTHING ON THE MINUTES THAT ANYONE HAS COME TO HILLCREST, A TOWN HALL MEETING, ANYTHING, TO GIVE US FULL DETAIL. ALSO, I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN WHATEVER PROJECT YOU DO, MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SUCCESS. SO BY HAVING SUCCESS IN IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THE STEPS. WE HAVE A FAR-FIELD STUDY TAKING PLACE. WE HAVE A COMMITTEE. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT BY HAVING A FAR-FIELD YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT INNER HARBOR HILLCREST IS NOT THE PLACE FOR A DESAL. AND THEN IF YOU DO IT AND YOU KNOW IT'S NOT THE PLACE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FAILURE. BUT EVERYONE NEEDS SUCCESS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE COUNCIL, YOU WANTED YOUR NAMESAKE, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU WAIT TO DO A FEBRUARY 24th MEETING. WAIT UNTIL THE FAR-FIELD STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND YOU GET THE RESULTS. BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE 24th IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND BRING IT BACK TO THE AGENDA. I'M HOPING YOU DON'T. HAPPY NEW YEAR. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE CHRIS CUELLAR? OH, HE'S HERE. OH, YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AGENDA. WE WERE AT ITEM NO. 24. DID WE DO THIS ONE, COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> HI. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT BOTH OF THEM. >> EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. IS IT OKAY IF I MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? IT'S MY FIRST TIME AND I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS SUPPOSED TO SIGN UP. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH, GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY. >> MY NAME IS KARINA LABRETTO AND I'M IN DISTRICT 5. ADOPTING A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY FOR EUTHANASIA DUE TO SPACE IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. WHILE THE EFFORT MAY SEEM HUMANE, IT MAY BE MISGUIDED. I HAVE SEEN THE CONSEQUENCES OF NO KILL WHILE WORKING AT A SHELTER. IT CAN CAUSE GREATER HARM TO THE COMMUNITY, THE ANIMALS, THE STAFF THAT CARE FOR THEM AND MAY RESULT IN HIGHER COST. OVERCROWDING OF AN ANIMAL SHELTER TYPICALLY LEADS TO THE SPREAD OF DISEASES AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SPACE THE STAFF HAS TO ADEQUATELY SANITIZE KENNELS. SOME OF THESE DISEASES, LIKE INTESTINAL PARASITES, WHILE THEY MAY BE EASY TO TREAT, CAN BE PASSED BACK AND FORTH DRIVING UP CARE COST. THEY CAN ALSO BE PASSED TO THE HUMAN STAFF THAT CARE FOR THEM. MORE DEADLY DISEASES CAN SPREAD QUICKLY IN OVERCROWDED SHELTERS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T SHOW SYMPTOMS. THEY OFTEN DON'T RECOVER FROM THESE DISEASES DESPITE THE BEST TREATMENT EFFORTS WHICH CAN BE LONG AND COSTLY, ADDING STRAINED AND LIMITED AVAILABLE RESOURCES. IF THEY DO SURVIVE, [INDISCERNIBLE]. I HAVE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND THE EMOTIONAL STRESS THAT COMES WITH CARING FOR THESE ANIMALS EXPERIENCING LIFE-THREATENING ILLNESSES. THE STRESS DOES NOT ONLY COME FROM WITNESSING THE SUFFERING OF THE ANIMAL BUT COMES FROM THE INCREASED WORKLOAD WHICH FALLS ON THE SHOULDERS OF AN ALREADY OVERWORKED AND UNDERSTAFFED WORKFORCE. DOGS IN OVERCROWDED AREAS CAN DEVELOP ANXIETY AND AGGRESSION. THOSE ARE ANXIETY ARE PUT ON MEDICATION TO MANAGE THIS ANXIETY. THIS TREATMENT IS COSTLY AND ALSO MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO BE ADOPTED. PROVIDING HUMANE CARE TO THE ANIMALS ALREADY IN CUSTODY IN OVERCROWDED SHELTERS CAN DEPLETE THEIR OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE. I'VE TOUCHED A BIT ON THE HARM THE POLICY CAN HAVE ON STAFF BUT I DO WANT TO NOTE THERE IS A NATIONAL SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WORKING IN VET MEDICINE BECAUSE IT IS NOTORIOUS FOR BURNOUT. LONG HOURS, IMPOSSIBLE WORKLOAD, AND POOR TREATMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY. WHILE EUTHANASIA IS A SAD REALITY, IT IS NOT THE PROBLEM. IT IS A SYMPTOM RESULTING FROM THE FAILURES AND COMMUNITY WELFARE. IT IS AN EFFORT TO MANAGE THE POPULATION PROBLEM IN OUR CITY. WE HAVE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS DOING AMAZING WORK BUT THEY CAN'T DO THIS ALONE. INSTEAD OF BANNING EUTHANASIA, IT'S TIME TO FOCUS ON EFFORTS THAT PREVENT THE NEED FOR IT BY MAKING SURE THAT ACS CAN SUPPORT MORE STAFFING AS WELL AS SPACE. AND ALSO PROVIDING MORE GRANTS FOR CITYWIDE TNR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. . >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO. AS I WAS SAYING, 24. COUNCILMAN CANTU, DID WE ADDRESS 24? ITEM 24 WAS YOUR SECOND ANIMAL -- >> Cantu: [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. SO 24 IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY STATING THAT THE EUTHANIZATION OF HEALTHY OR TREATABLE ANIMALS OF CORPUS CHRISTI ANIMAL CARE SERVICES FOR SPACE, CAPACITY, OR OPERATION REASONS IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN, WILL NOT BE AUTHORIZED AND WILL NOT BE JUSTIFIED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, WITH MANDATORY REPORTING AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS ERIC CANTU, CAROLYN VAUGHN, AND KAYLYNN PAXSON. >> Cantu: MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE KILLED 20 ANIMALS LAST YEAR FOR SPACE, CORRECT? >> WE HUMANELY EUTHANIZED 20 DOGS, YES, IN FISCAL YEAR 2025. FOR SPACE. >> Cantu: SO THAT'S ABOUT -- >> 2%. >> Cantu: TWO ANIMALS PER MONTH. >> NO. WE ONLY EUTHANIZED FOR SPACE FOR FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR. AND THOSE MONTHS WERE ACTIVELY JULY AND AUGUST WERE THE TWO HIGHEST. AUGUST THERE WERE 11. IF YOU DO KNOW THE ANIMAL WELFARE FIELD, THAT IS THE TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE. THEIR CHILDREN ARE OUT OF SCHOOL. YOU SEE MORE AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS. SO IN ORDER TO RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS, WE HAVE TO TRY TO PLEA THEM OUT TO OUR RESCUE PARTNERS, WHO ARE AMAZING. OUR FOSTERS, OUR PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY TO TRY TO GET THEM TO TAKE ANIMALS FROM OUR FACILITY SO WE CAN PICK UP THE ANIMALS THAT ARE LOOSE WHERE THE PUBLIC ARE. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IN THOSE TWO MONTHS WE DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MOVE ANIMALS TO AND SO UNFORTUNATELY THOSE WERE THE HIGHEST MONTHS, FIVE AND 11. >> Cantu: AND SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU GUYS IF I RAISED MY VOICE OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. IT WASN'T DIRECTED TO YOU, IT WAS DIRECTED TO THE SITUATION ITSELF. AND I TALK LOUD. I'M TRYING TO TALK LOWER RIGHT NOW. BUT I DO TALK LOUD. HOWEVER, THERE'S -- I'M NOT YOUR AVERAGE ELECTED OFFICIAL. I'M OUTSPOKEN, I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK. I'M NOT GOING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY CITY STAFF IS DOING A GREAT JOB EVERY SINGLE TIME. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING AS BEST YOU CAN WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU AND THE MONEYS, BUT I'M GOING TO SPEAK UP WHEN I SEE SOMETHING WRONG. AND I FEEL THAT A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS NEVER REALLY SPOKE UP BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE OR MAKE ANYBODY UPSET OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. I DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO CATER TO NOBODY. I DON'T OWE ANYBODY IN THE FAVORS. AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO SUPPORT MY CAMPAIGN FINANCIALLY, GREAT. IF NOT, I HAVE MY OWN MONEY. I DON'T CARE. I'M GOING TO SPEAK UP WHEN I SEE SOMETHING WRONG AND I FEEL THAT THINGS ARE GOING WRONG IN THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER. I'M GOING TO SPEAK UP UNTIL I'M BLUE IN THE FACE. AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THE CENTER IS BEING HONEST ABOUT HOW MANY ANIMALS THEY KILL FOR SPACE. I THINK WHAT I WAS BEING TOLD FROM WORKERS FROM THERE IS Y'ALL KILL ANIMALS FOR SMALL LITTLE MEDICAL REASONS THAT ARE TREATABLE. >> AGAIN, SIR, IT'S APPROVED BY A VETERINARIAN. >> Cantu: I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I HEARD FROM EMPLOYEES. AND SO I JUST -- IF I DON'T GET THE SUPPORT TODAY, THEN THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE PEOPLE STAND WITH ANIMALS GETTING KILLED. IF IT'S ONLY 20 A YEAR, I THINK HAVING A CITY POLICY TO KILL NO ANIMALS FOR SPACE, Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH 20 ANIMALS. AND I JUST FEEL THAT WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE. I NEED TO APPLY THE PRESSURE ON CITY STAFF TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ONCE AND FOR ALL. IT JUST -- YEAH, WE SPENT MONEY ON THE SHELTER, $4 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, BUT WE DIDN'T TOUCH KENNELS, ADDED MORE KENNELS, ADDED MORE EMPLOYEES, WE JUST FIXED A PARKING LOT, FIXING A/C UNITS WITH WHAT I THINK WAS OVERPRICED. WE COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH BETTER WITH OUR MONEYS. BUT I JUST FEEL THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK UP EVERY TIME I SEE SOMETHING WRONG. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I WASN'T THE ONE WHO SPOKE UP ABOUT THE ANIMALS BEING DUMPED AT THE LANDFILL, Y'ALL WOULD STILL BE DOING IT. AND THE CHAMBERS, THE THING THAT CREMATES THE ANIMALS, WOULD STILL BE BROKEN. IT'S ONLY BECAUSE I MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. AND I JUST FEEL THAT WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO FIX THE ISSUE. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO SIMPLY LITTLE THINGS. WE ADVERTISE A GAS DEPARTMENT ON OUR UTILITY BILLS EVERY MONTH OR EVERY OTHER MONTH, WHY CAN'T WE ADVERTISE ANIMALS UP FOR ADOPTION? WHY CAN'T WE SAY THEY HAVE 45 DAYS TO LIVE. ADOPT A DOG, SHOW THEIR FACES ON THE UTILITY BILLS. WE DO IT FOR THE GAS DEPARTMENT, WE DO IT FOR RATE INCREASES, WE DO ALL THIS OTHER CRAP BUT WE CAN'T DO SIMPLY AS A FLIER IN THERE STATING HEY, THE ANIMALS ARE UP FOR ADOPTION. HIRE SOMEBODY TO MAKE THE SADDEST PICTURES OF THE DOGS SO PEOPLE CAN GO AND ADOPT. OR ADD SOMETHING TO THE UTILITY BILL TO DONATE TO THE SHELTER. I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD DO IT. I WOULD DO IT. YOU KNOW, I'M PRAYING AND HOPING THAT I FOUND SOMEBODY WHO WILL BUILD US SOME MORE KENNELS. I HAVE A MEETING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND I'M PRAYING THAT WE CAN MAKE A DEAL AND BUILD SOME -- DONATE MONEY TO BUILD SOME MORE KENNELS. BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, IT SHOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK? >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND I WAS CALLING IT LOW-HANGING FRUIT. AND I DON'T KNOW, PETER, I HAVEN'T GONE BACK. I LOOKED AT THAT CITY GATE REPORT MANY MONTHS -- WHENEVER IT CAME OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S LISTED THERE. BUT THE COUNCILMAN'S BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT LOW-HANGING FRUIT. SO IS THERE -- CAN WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER -- OR MAYBE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT. SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER -- AND I KNOW -- OH, BEING IN SCHOOLS. WE ARE IN SCHOOLS. WE ARE IN SCHOOLS. SO, I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IS THERE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, LIKE THE UTILITY BILL THING. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAYBE AREN'T IN THAT CITY GATE REPORT, OR MAYBE THEY ARE. >> Zanoni: WE HAVE DONE 96 OF THE 169. THOSE ARE PROBABLY -- A LOT OF THEM ARE LOW-HANGING FRUIT. WE HAVE DONE MORE THAN HALF OF LOW-HANGING FRUIT. BUT THERE'S MORE, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. SO THE ANSWER IS YES. WE'RE DOING IT AND WE CAN DO MORE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. I KNOW WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE SPENT MONEY FOR THAT PLAN AND IT WILL BE FRUITFUL. BUT I KNOW IT TAKES TIME. IT TAKES MONEY. YOU KNOW, THAT COMES IN BUDGET SEASON. AND THAT'S THE OTHER SEASON. I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF PETER. WHEN STAFF, WHEN Y'ALL PREPARE YOUR BUDGET, WHAT DO Y'ALL CALL THEM? EACH DEPARTMENT -- >> Zanoni: RECOMMENDATIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUDGET PACKETS. RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT HAPPENING, BUT I AM. I THINK THAT YOUR NEEDS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT YOU'RE TURNING IN. I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO POSSIBLY -- WELL, I MEAN -- >> Zanoni: I WAS GOING TO SAY WHEN WE DEVELOPED THEIR BUDGET THIS SUMMER, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO ADD RESOURCES TO IT SO I GAVE THEM DIRECTION, I DON'T WANT ANY REDUCTIONS. TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED. SO THEY DIDN'T HOLD BACK. >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. >> Zanoni: THEY DID NOT HOLD BACK. THEY DIDN'T SAY I'M AFRAID TO ASK FOR THIS. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND IT'S IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> Mayor Guajardo: SEND IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE. >> Zanoni: WE CAN GET YOU THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT. JUST LIKE WE DO WHEN WE WERE IN FLOUR BLUFF LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE CUT THAT DEMOLITION, WE CUT THAT BUDGET. IF YOU WERE THERE LAST NIGHT, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING DOWN LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE. IT'S A DIFFICULT TASK BUT LET'S SEE YOUR PRIORITIES AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM AGAIN. >> Zanoni: WE WILL AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THOSE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. I'M NOT TRYING TO DIMINISH IT BUT THIS IS JUST ONE THING IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AT 11:30 THIS MORNING. WE NEED $50 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF STREET REPAIR IN A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. 50 -- 45, $50 MILLION. THAT'S JUST BASIC STREETS. AGAIN, WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING IN ISOLATION ALL DAY, LET'S DO IT. BUT THE COUNCIL HAS TO COLLECTIVELY UNDERSTAND ALL NEEDS AND WEIGH IN AND JUST GIVE US DIRECTION. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE'VE CUT THE BUDGET TWO YEARS IN A ROW AND I HAVE ELIMINATED SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS THAT BENEFIT THE CITY. SO AT THIS POINT IT'S HITTING CRITICAL -- IT'S HITTING WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT MOST. PARKS LIBRARIES CODE COMPLIANCE. THOSE ARE THE ONLY AREAS THAT WE CAN START TO BEGIN TO GO TO, IN MY ESTIMATION. IT'S REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO THAT. WHAT DO WE PRIORITIZE? IT'S A TOUGH THING, THIS BUSINESS OF BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER AND RUNNING A CITY. WHEN WE GET TO THESE SITUATIONS WHERE WE WANT TO DO WHAT COUNCILMAN CANTU IS DOING BUT YOU HAVE TO NOT DO SOMETHING ELSE. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PETER. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: SO HOW MANY RESCUES DO YOU GUYS WORK WITH? >> WE HAVE OVER 100 RESCUES THAT WE WORK WITH. >> Cantu: DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE RESCUES? >> YES, SIR, WE DO. >> Cantu: CAN YOU SEND ME AN E-MAIL WITH THE RESCUE'S NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS PLEASE? >> SURE. >> Cantu: SO MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE AGAIN Y'ALL PUT DOWN 20 DOGS, CATS, ANIMALS A YEAR. SO IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT'S HOW MANY WE PUT DOWN. BUT IT'S LATE. I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS DO A MOTION -- IF I GET A SECOND, GREAT. IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW WHO'S FOR THE ANIMALS. IF WE ONLY KILL 20 ANIMALS A YEAR, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE A BIG INCONVENIENCE FOR YOU GUYS TO NOT HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE THAT WE WON'T KILL FOR SPACE. SO I WANT TO DO A MOTION, A NEW POLICY THAT WE WILL NOT KILL FOR SPACE IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI SHELTER. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO, PETER? HOW DO I DO IT? >> Zanoni: YOU CAN MAKE THAT -- JUST THE ADVICE WE WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IS WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT ON THOSE MONTHS WHERE THERE'S HIGH REQUESTS FOR PICKING UP STRAYS, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP. WHEN THAT HAPPENS -- THAT JUST HAPPENED RECENTLY AROUND THE CHRISTMAS BREAK WHERE A RESIDENT CALLED IN AND HAD FOUR STRAY DOGS AND THE ANIMAL CARE DEPARTMENT SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM. JUST HOLD TIGHT WITH THEM. >> Cantu: THERE'S STRAYS ALL OVER CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Zanoni: I'M GOING TO FINISH THE STORY. I GOT INVOLVED. WHY DIDN'T WE PICK THEM UP? BECAUSE THEY HAD NO SPACE. THERE WAS NO SPACE SO THERE'S NO POINT GOING TO PICK UP FOUR DOGS IF THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THEM. WE CAN DO THAT ALL DAY LONG. WHEN WE GET CALLS FOR SERVICE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO SPACE TO PUT THEM. IT'S REALLY THAT BASIC. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT, WE JUST NEED THE COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THE SHELTER IS FULL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ANY MORE STRAY DOGS. >> Cantu: BUT WE ONLY PUT DOWN 20 DOGS. >> Zanoni: I KNOW AND IT WOULD BE ISOLATED ISSUES, LIKE THE CHRISTMASTIME. THAT'S NOT A LOT. I MEAN, ONE CUSTOMER, ONE RESIDENT SAYING, HEY, COME PICK UP THESE FOUR DOGS. BUT ALL IT TAKES IS ONE CASE, LIKE HERNANDEZ SAID, YOU KNOW, UP IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE A VETERAN WAS MAULED TO DEATH BECAUSE A STRAY DOG WASN'T PICKED UP. IT WOULD BE A RISK BUT WE CAN DO IT. IT WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF TIME THAT -- NOW IF THEY SAID THERE'S 400 THAT WERE EUTHANIZED, I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT 40 IS MANAGEABLE. THE TRADE-OFF IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE YEAR WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PICK UP DOGS OR CATS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SPACE. WE CAN'T JUST GO PICK THEM UP AND KEEP THEM IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. >> Mayor Guajardo: I BEG TO DIFFER. A COUPLE OF TIMES, ASK THESE LADIES HERE. >> Zanoni: I JUST SAID FOUR MONTHS. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: MA'AM, EXCUSE ME. THERE'S NO CITIZEN COMMENT. THERE WAS ONLY FOUR MONTHS IN THE YEAR. SO FOUR TIMES, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, I KNOW BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT HAPPENS A WHOLE LOT WHERE WE'RE RESCUING A DOG AND TRYING TO GET HIM OR HER INTO THE SHELTER -- NOT THE SHELTER. YOU KNOW, OUR FACILITY, AND CAN'T. SO, I MEAN, I'M SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WAY MORE THAN FOUR TIMES A YEAR. >> Zanoni: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT JUST HAPPENED DURING CHRISTMAS. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE SAID, VERONICA, WE'VE GOT TO FIND SOMEONE. AND THEY'RE SCRAMBLING. I'M NOT, I'M JUST GETTING THE DOG. I KIND OF WANT YOU TO COME UP AND SPEAK, VERONICA, ON THIS. I WANT TO HEAR Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVES. CAN WE DO THAT? I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK TOO. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. >> Zanoni: WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS -- >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ -- WE'RE TRYING TO GET WHAT? >> Zanoni: WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS MOTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT VERONICA IS GOING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO PROFESSIONALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THEM. >> Zanoni: THAT SHOULD BE DURING CITIZEN COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: IT IS, PETER. THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Zanoni: I DIDN'T KNOW WE SWITCHED OVER TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE DID NOT SWITCH OVER TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO, EVENTUALLY. COUNCILMAN CANTU WAS -- YOU WERE IN THE MIDST OF -- >> Zanoni: HE WAS MAKING A MOTION AND HE ASKED MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON CAN WE DO THAT. AND I SAID WE CAN BUT THIS IS THE TRADE-OFF. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. OKAY. LET ME GET HERNANDEZ AND WE'LL COME BACK. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. YOU KNOW, I MADE THE MENTION OF KIND OF A BALANCE BETWEEN ANIMAL CARE AND ANIMAL CONTROL IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WANT TO CARE FOR THE ANIMALS BUT YOU ALSO ARE A PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATION. RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY I HAD A CONSTITUENT OF MINE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS BUT CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL IS THE FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA FACILITY. AND THEY HAVE A BARN OVER BY CABANISS. A PACK OF DOGS WENT IN AND KILLED A FEW LAMBS AND GOATS THAT WERE THERE THAT WERE FOR FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA. NOW I KNOW A FEW OF THEM ARE CAPTURED AND ULTIMATELY EUTHANIZED BECAUSE THEY WERE DANGEROUS ANIMALS. BUT NOT ALL OF THEM WERE CAPTURED. SO WE HAVE KIND OF A BALANCE HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND -- I SYMPATHIZE. I OWN A DOG, RIGHT? HIS NAME IS MILO. YOU KNOW, I HAVE HAD A DOG EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CHALLENGES HERE AND THAT THERE ARE SAFETY COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T ADDRESS THOSE BECAUSE OF OUR CONCERNS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH YOUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS WHERE YOU CAN ASK THEM TO COME GET AN ANIMAL OR WHAT THE TRANSACTION IS. IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT OR DO YOU JUST HAND THEM OVER? WHAT'S THE -- I'M TRYING TO FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM HERE TO WHERE WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO SAVE THE ANIMALS BUT ALSO MEET THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS. CAN YOU KIND OF ADDRESS THAT? >> SO WE DO PLEAS FOR RESCUES. THE PLEAS ARE FOR DIFFERENT ANIMALS OR GROUPS OF ANIMALS. THE RESCUES DO TAKE IN AS MANY AS THEY CAN BUT LIKE EVERYONE THEY HAVE CAPACITY ISSUES AS WELL. THEY GET FULL. GULF COAST IS A BIG PARTNER FOR US. THEY DO TAKE QUITE A FEW OF OUR ANIMALS. THEY ARE OUR BIGGEST PARTNER LOCALLY. WE ALSO SEND ANIMALS OUT OF THE STATE. ALL OF THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. GULF COAST NEEDS THE SPACE TO BRING THE ANIMALS IN. OUR OUT OF STATE PARTNERS NEED TIME TO ARRANGE FOR TRANSPORT. SO EVERY DAY THAT WE HOLD THAT ANIMAL TO GET IT INTO THE PLACEMENT, IT HOLDS A KENNEL. AND SO THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN FINDING PLACEMENT AND GIVING AN ANIMAL AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF THE FACILITY AND ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS. >> Hernandez: WHEN YOU SAY OUT OF STATE PARTNERS, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE SENDING ANIMALS UP NORTH. >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: IS THIS SOMETHING WE TRANSPORT OR THEY COME AND GET THE ANIMAL? >> TYPICALLY WE WILL TRANSPORT UP TO THREE HOURS TO A TRANSPORTER AND THEN THEY PAY TO HAVE THESE ANIMALS TRANSPORTED OUT OF STATE. AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHOSE PROFESSION IS TO DRIVE DOGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> Hernandez: SO THREE HOURS FROM HERE IS HOUSTON. >> HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, NEW BRAUNFELS, THOSE TYPES OF AREAS WHERE THERE'S BIGGER HUBS. THAT'S WHERE THE TRANSPORTS -- >> Hernandez: HOW MANY ANIMALS IS THAT FOR US ON A MONTHLY BASIS? >> ON A MONTHLY BASIS, IT'S A LITTLE AROUND 100. LAST YEAR WE DID A TOTAL OF 900 RESCUE TRANSFERS. >> Hernandez: YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BEST YOU CAN. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS HAVING THAT BALANCE. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT WAS MY DAUGHTER'S FRIEND WHOSE ANIMAL WAS KILLED. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THE DANGEROUS DOGS AND THE CONCERNS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT ALSO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE SENDING 900 DOGS TO OTHER PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE THEM. BUT PETER, I DON'T KNOW. >> Zanoni: IT'S A CHALLENGE, COUNCILMAN. WE KNOW THAT. I MEAN, THE MOTION THAT THE COUNCILMAN MADE IS DOABLE, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TRADE-OFF IS. >> Hernandez: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE DANGEROUS DOGS. >> Zanoni: WELL -- >> Hernandez: THERE ARE DANGEROUS DOGS OUT THERE. >> Zanoni: THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A DANGEROUS DOG IS UNTIL THEY COLLECT THEM. GO AHEAD. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY? >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN CONSIDERING -- WITH COUNCIL CONSIDERING THE LIMIT ADMISSION, ESSENTIALLY NO-KILL IS LIMITED ADMISSION. WHEN WE ARE AT CAPACITY WE CAN NO LONGER TAKE IN ANIMALS. THAT MEANS AGGRESSIVE DOGS AS WELL. THERE'S THAT COMPONENT. ALSO WITH ENFORCEMENT. IF WE'RE AT CAPACITY, THE ENFORCEMENT LEVELS WILL GO DOWN, POTENTIALLY, AND THEN AS WELL THERE MAY BE AN INCREASE IN REPORTED DOG BITES. IN PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE A NO-KILL SHELTER, THOSE CAN BE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH TO DO COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS, JUST IN TERMS OF IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY IF WE ARE AT CAPACITY AND CAN NO LONGER ADMIT ANIMALS, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS. >> Hernandez: EVEN COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF SEAN GETTING BIT AND THAT BEING REPORTED AND NOBODY COMES OUT. >> I CAN SAY DOING RESEARCH ON THIS BEFORE WE CAME TODAY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE MUNICIPALITY THAT WE COMPARE TO THAT IS A NO-KILL SHELTER. ONE HAS TRIED TO GO NO-KILL. IT LASTED ABOUT A YEAR AND REALIZED THEY COULD NOT MAINTAIN IT. AND ENFORCE EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED TO AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY LIKE THEY NEEDED TO. WE COULD GO THIS WAY BUT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AN ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR RESIDENTS. >> Zanoni: YEAH, THIS MOTION IS NOT FOR NO-KILL, IT'S JUST NO EUTHANIZATION FOR SPACE. >> AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I UNDERSTAND HOW COMPASSIONATE HE IS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO KILL THE ANIMALS EITHER. I'M AFRAID WE MAY CAUSE MORE HARM THAN GOOD IF WE DON'T TAKE A HALT AND JUST LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF DOING IT. THIS YOUNG LADY MADE SOME GOOD POINTS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT ABOUT THE SICKNESS. BUT WE PILE THEM IN THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SPACE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MORE THAN TWO IN A KENNEL AND YOU COULD HAVE MEAN DOGS TOGETHER, WHO KNOWS. YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN THAT AND THE DOGS COULD GET HURT RIGHT THERE BECAUSE OF BIGGER DOGS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT. THE NUMBER 900 JUST MAKES ME SICK THAT Y'ALL HAD TO SEND 900 OUT. THAT SAYS A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. THAT IS A SHAME. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. FLORIDA DID SOMETHING REALLY GOOD. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. ERIC, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO BUT I WISH YOU WOULD THINK AND LET'S LET THEM COME BACK AND GIVE US THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN. BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT THAT YOUNG LADY SAID. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET IN THERE AND SICK AND DIE AND GET PARVO WHATEVER. THAT WOULD JUST BE MY SUGGESTION JUST TO MAYBE BRING IT BACK AT THE MEETING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT'S FEASIBLE. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KENNELS. WE KNOW THAT. >> Cantu: THEIR CLAIM IS ONLY 20 ANIMALS A YEAR. THAT'S NOT VERY MANY. >> Vaughn: I GET THAT BUT IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T PICK THE DOGS UP, I DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY GETS HURT ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE DID THIS KIND OF LIKE WE GOT RID OF THAT DEMOLITION, IT COMES BACK TO BITE US IN THE BUTT. ALL I'M SAYING IS CAN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT ONE, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE, AND TRY AND MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION WHEN Y'ALL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE KILLED EITHER. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: YEAH, I FEEL COMPELLED TO TELL YOU I'VE RESCUED DOGS. I'M A GRANDFATHER. MY GRAND DOG IS MY DAUGHTER'S RESCUE DOG THAT SHE GOT FROM YOU ALL, AS A MATTER OF FACT. I KNOW HOW IT WORKS. YOU GO TO EVENTS AND YOU GIVE PEOPLE A COUPLE OF GLASSES OF WINE. NEXT THING YOU KNOW I'M A GRANDPARENT FOR A DOG. KINGSLEY, OUR BELOVED, REST IN PEACE, WE ADOPTED HIM AND WE'VE COLLECTED DOGS AND SAVED DOGS. I'M ALSO THE RECIPIENT OF A DOG BITE SO I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT. I'M A LITTLE TRAUMATIZED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOG BITING BECAUSE ON A BICYCLE RIDE. MY FRIEND CLAIMS IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T RIDE FAST ENOUGH. I WILL SUBMIT TO YOU IT WAS REALLY WINDY AND I WAS RIDING IN THE WIND AND IT WAS MILE 45. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M A SLOW REQUIRED. RIDER. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING, THE COSTS INVOLVED. I AGREE WE NEED TO KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES. I WAS FASCINATED BY THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES I GOT. MARK, YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS NO KILL. THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES. AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, FLOUR BLUFF LAST NIGHT, WE NEED MONEY FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, I WISH HE HAD TWICE AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE LESS CRIME. AND THAT'S A HUMAN INTERACTION. I MEAN, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO DO. BUT AT SOME POINT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SAVE MONEY TO THE TAXPAYERS. WE CERTAINLY SPEND MONEY LIKE -- WE DO A GOOD JOB SPENDING MONEY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT CITY GATE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES. I WOULD LIKE TO WALK BEFORE WE RUN. AND I'D LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT VOTING OR SECONDING THAT ORDINANCE TONIGHT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT AN ANIMAL LOVER. I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT. JUST SO WE KNOW, I THINK I SAID I AM AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A DIFFICULT SUBJECT. I MEAN, IT TEARS AT YOU. I INHERITED MY DECEASED BROTHER'S DOG AND I'M NOT A -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE -- I MEAN, I HAVE DOGS IN THE PAST BUT WHEN HE ENDED UP GETTING A MASS AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO? I TAKE HIM TO THE VET AND THEN THEY TELL ME IT'S GOING TO BE $4,000 TO $5,000 TO REMOVE THAT MASS AND TREATMENT AND I'M LIKE I'M OUT. I CAN'T DO $4,000 TO $5,000. SO, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY I WAS ABLE TO TAKE HIM TO ANOTHER VET -- ACTUALLY THAT ONE ON BALDWIN -- AND IT WAS MUCH LESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST THANKFULLY -- I DON'T KNOW THANKFULLY, BUT TIMMY WAS ABLE TO REMOVE HIS MASS. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DID IT BUT OKAY. NOW THERE'S A BIG HOLE. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO TREAT HIM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST I CAN WITH THE RESOURCES THAT I HAVE. BUT I'M ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE YOU ALL. I GET CALLS. I SEE MY NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS GOTTEN BIT. AND HE LOVES DOGS, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN CANTU'S MOTION BUT WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO STILL BE PRACTICAL. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS ADVOCATED FOR -- AND SHE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, WHICH IS THE SPAY AND NEUTERING. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN ZIP CODES THAT I BELIEVE THAT CAN TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THOSE. AND I JUST THINK THAT IF WE HAD JUST MORE OF THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO STOP THE OVERPOPULATION OF SOME OF OUR ANIMALS. BUT I AM JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE SO MANY ANIMAL LOVERS HERE AND I THINK THAT WAS ALSO A GREAT SUGGESTION ABOUT MAYBE OFFERING SOMETHING, A DONATION, CONTRIBUTION. I KNOW THAT I GET IT AT H-E-B AND WHEREVER I GO. YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF -- THE WHATEVER IS LEFT ON THE CENTS, NEXT DOLLAR UP, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DONATION. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK INTO. I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN, I HOPE, FIND A HAPPY OR A GOOD SOLUTION TO THIS. I THINK WE CAN. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE. WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE. DO Y'ALL KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AND MADE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> WE KNOW SOME, YES. WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO THE REST. >> Campos: AGAIN, I FEEL FOR THESE ANIMALS AND I WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT I ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT MY COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO CALL AND SAY -- AND Y'ALL TELL ME OR TELL THEM THERE'S NO ROOM. I DON'T WANT TO EVER HEAR THAT. I DON'T KNOW. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NO. 24. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, YOU COULD TAKE THREE MINUTES OR LESS. JUST COME RIGHT UP HERE TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR CITY, AND SPEAK. >> RENE HAMMOCK. I AM FROM DISTRICT 3. MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS -- AND I FEEL I'M FAIRLY QUALIFIED TO TALK ON THIS. I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN A VETERINARY TECHNICIAN GOING ON 18 YEARS NOW. AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN WILDLIFE REHABILITATION AND RESCUE ALL MY LIFE. STRAY ANIMALS ARE A HUGE PROBLEMS. JUST IN ATLANTIC BEACH -- IN AUGUST -- I DO HAVE A STUTTER. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME IF I STUMBLE. SOMEONE'S LOOSE DOG ON THE BEACH, IT WASN'T EVEN A STRAY DOG. IT WAS UNRESTRAINED, WHICH IS A HUGE PROBLEM HERE. I HAVE PERSONALLY LOST A PET TO AN UNRESTRAINED DOG THAT BUST THROUGH OUR FENCE AND GOT INTO A PEN WITH MY TURTLES, KILLED ONE AND INJURED THE OTHER ONE. I HAD TO TAKE HER TO A VET AND STARTED GIVING HER ANTIBIOTIC INJECTIONS. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS GOING TO MAKE IT FOR A WHILE. THIS WAS A TURTLE INSIDE A PEN, INSIDE A FENCE AND SOMEONE'S DOG GOT THROUGH. A WEEK LATER THAT DOG WAS RUNNING AROUND LOOSE, COMPLETELY INTACT, NOT NEUTERED. I PASSED BY TWO PREGNANT DOGS ON THE WAY HERE. PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR DOGS. TOO MANY PEOPLE GETTING THEIR DOGS BACK THAT, TO BE QUITE BLUNT, THEY DON'T NEED THEM. IF THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE OWNERS THEY DON'T NEED PETS. PETS ARE A LUXURY, A RESPONSIBILITY, AND A PRIVILEGE AND IF THEY CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE, NOT ONLY ARE THEY DOING A DISSERVICE TO PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE'S PETS, THEY'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THAT ANIMAL. THESE ANIMALS ALSO ATTRACT DISEASES WHICH HAS BEEN KNOWN TO KILL CHILDREN AT DAYCARES. WE ALSO HAVE RABIES. EVEN WITH AS MUCH TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE IN RABIES PREVENTION AND TREATMENT, WE STILL ANNUALLY LOSE AROUND 60,000UMANS TO RABIES VIRUS WORLDWIDE. PLACES WHERE ITS HIGHEST ARE PLACES THAT HAVE BANNED KILLING STRAY DOGS, LIKE INDIA. JUST FROM 2022 TO 2024, THE INCREASE OF BITES WAS OVER A MILLION PER YEAR. SO I AGREE THAT GOING NO-KILL IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO START AT THE FOUNDATION, WHICH IS NOT EVERYONE GETS TO HAVE AN ANIMAL. SORRY, NOT SORRY. PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, NOT GETTING THEIR ANIMALS BACK. VICIOUS ANIMAL POLICIES OR AGGRESSIVE DOG POLICIES, I'M SORRY ABOUT THE SEMANTICS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE ORANGE HARNESS, LEASH, AND MUZZLE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DOG WITH THAT AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF AGGRESSIVE DOGS AROUND HERE. IN MY AREA ALONE, I'VE CALLED MULTIPLE TIMES. I GOT TRAPPED IN MY CAR BY A DOG THAT WAS LOOSE. I HAD A DOG CHASE A CAT UP A TREE, INTACT, AND NO ONE FOLLOWED UP ON IT. SO IT DOES NEED TO START AT THE FOUNDATION. MORE FUNDING, MORE SPACE, MORE EMPLOYEES. AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE TRENCHES, THE 200 GRAND SHOULD BE GOING TO THE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS, THE SURGERIES, AND WHATNOT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? COME ON UP. >> THIS IS AWKWARD. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH LILY. I LIVE ON DELLWOOD STREET AND I'M A LITTLE BIT CURIOUS IF THEY ONLY EUTHANIZED 20 FOR THE YEAR, THEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? IT'S ONLY 20 DOGS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE THAT WITH EUTHANASIA SHOULD BE ABOUT MERCY. IT SHOULD NEVER BE ABOUT MANAGEMENT. EUTHANASIA IS NOT AN EMOTIONAL THING, IT IS A MANAGEMENT THING AND IT SHOULD BE. AND Y'ALL HAVE A LABEL THAT YOU PUT FOR AGGRESSIVE DOGS. AND I WROTE THIS DOWN LAST NIGHT ABOUT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. A CAGE IS NOT A PLACE TO ASSESS A DOG. YOU CANNOT DO THAT. THEY'RE IN A SHELTER. DOGS ARE BARKING EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE TERRIFIED. THEY'RE SCARED. I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MAD TOO IF I WAS IN A CAGE. IT'S A LABEL TO PUT ON A DOG TO JUSTIFY EUTHANIZING FOR SPACE. I KNOW FOR A FACT, AND I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO POINT, BUT I KNOW EVERY SINGLE RESCUER IN HERE RIGHT NOW KNOWS OF DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP BY ANIMAL CONTROL IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF THAT WERE NEVER LOGGED IN THE SYSTEM. THEY JUST DISAPPEARED. WE WATCHED THEM PICK THOSE DOGS UP AND THE DOGS DISAPPEARED. NEVER INTAKED, NOTHING. ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WAS INTAKED WAS A GREAT DOG. SHE WAS SWEET, NICE, SHE WAS GOOD TO ALL OF US. IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD A FOSTER, WE WOULD HAVE KEPT HER. THE NEXT THING WE KNOW SHE'S EUTHANIZED FOR BEHAVIOR WHEN WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE FOR HER. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON THEY TOOK HER. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THEY WORK WITH 100 SHELTERS. 100 RESCUES. YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK DEEPER INTO THAT AS WELL. I THINK THERE'S SOME DISINGENUOUS REMARKS THAT ARE BEING MADE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THE NO-KILL, THAT TAKES A WHILE TO GET. BUT THE THING THAT MR. ZANONI SAID, WELL, SURE, WE'LL DO IT. WE WON'T EUTHANIZE FOR SPACE BUT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO NOT PICK UP -- WELL, THEY DO THAT NOW ANYWAY. WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BY NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO EUTHANIZE FOR SPACE? NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S THE SAME AS IT IS. THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT THIS CAN BE DONE. I ENCOURAGE, INSTEAD OF PAYING A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A SURVEY OR A STUDY, TALK TO YOUR LOCAL RESCUERS. I'M A RESCUER. I'M BOOTS ON THE GROUND. EVERY LADY HERE HAS BEEN UP SLEEPING IN THEIR CAR FOR DAYS, IN THE TRENCHES, CRYING BECAUSE WE'RE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. WE KNOW WHAT IT TAKES. WE DON'T NEED YOU GUYS TO PAY A MILLION DOLLARS. THAT MILLION DOLLARS CAN GO TO SPAY AND NEUTER. WE CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO BECAUSE WE WORK WITH EVERY RESCUE IN THE UNITED STATES. DON'T PATRONIZE US. DON'T TALK TO US TO MAKE US FEEL BETTER. LISTEN TO WHAT WE SAY. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS A 20-MINUTE DISCUSSION ON WHY NOT EUTHANIZING. WE CAN'T DO IT FOR SPACE IF IT'S ONLY 20 DOGS. I WISH I ONLY HAD 20 DOGS A YEAR. I WOULD BE GOOD. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. LILY. >> MELISSA, 6530, PEACOCK DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THIS COUNCIL THAT EVERY RESCUER HERE, OUR NIGHTMARE FOR THEM IS TO BE ADOPTED IN CORPUS. WHEN YOU MADE THAT STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE SADDENED 900 DOGS WENT TO A PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, NO. THEY DON'T WANT -- WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP THEM IN CORPUS BECAUSE IN CORPUS THERE'S NO ONE GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR NOT SPAYING AND NEUTERING THEIR DOGS. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE LOOSE DOGS. IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED. THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT. IT'S LIKE RUNNING RED LIGHTS. NO TICKETS. SPEEDING, NO TICKETS. RUNNING INTO SOMEBODY, NO TICKETS. IT'S NOT THAT THE -- THE DOGS ARE PAYING THE PRICE, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT. THEY GET A WARNING. THEY GET A SLAP ON THE HAND. THEY GO TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE CASE IS DISMISSED. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MISINFORMED SITUATION IS, WHERE DOES IT CUT, WHERE DOES IT MESS UP? THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. WE DON'T WANT OUR DOGS TO END UP IN CORPUS' HANDS FOR $25. THOSE DOGS END UP BACK IN OUR HANDS AND THEY DON'T EVEN WANT THE DOG BACK.WHEN THEY GO TO AD THEM TO GIVE TO THEIR CADE FOR THEIR BIRTHDAY. LA LA LA. WHEN THE DOG STARTS TO PEA ON THE FLOOR ON THE THIRD DAY, IT'S OUT. I'VE PICKED UP A PUPPY WITH STITCHES IN ITS STOMACH BECAUSE THEY SPAYED IT AT ANIMAL CONTROL AND THEN IT PEED ON THE FLOOR AND THEN I FOUND THE BABY WITH STITCHES ISSUES IT'S ON THE 8 WEEKS OLD, THEY LEFT THE PUPPY, THEY LEFT IT. BUT WHEN IT PEED ON THE FLOOR. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE HOME. IT'S LIKE TAKING A BABY HOME. EXCEPT IT PEES ON THE CARPET. THE DOG THAT KILLED T THEM, HE COULDN'T GO TO HEB TO SHOP BECAUSE THE HUMANS DIDN'T FEED HIM. THE HUMANS DIDN'T LOVE HIM. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE PROBLEM. BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO END UP IN CORPUS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCES THAT ENDED UP IN PLACE THAT TOOK TEN YEARS TO GET THEM IN PLACE. AND IN TWO YEARS WE'LL HAVE NEW PEOPLE UP HERE THAT'LL BE SHOCKED. YOU DON'T WANT THE DOGS IN CORPUS. NO. THEY CALL THIS THE SHIT HOLE FOR DOGS. I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT. BUT IT'S THE SHIT HOLE FOR DOGS. >> I'D LIKE TO OBJECT TO THE PROFANITY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YEAH WE CAN'T -- NO PROFANITY PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> CAREY MORALES. I'LL TOLE YOU I'VE BEEN DOING RESCUE FOR 7 TO 8 YEARS, AND IT'S JUST SICKENING, THE IGNORANCE IN THIS CITY, BETWEEN OUR CITY COUNCIL councilmembers, OUR RESIDENTS, THE ADOPTERS, ANIMAL CONTROL, LETTING ANYBODY WITH THE LOW PRICE OF $25, SOMETIMES FREE, WALK IN THERE AND GET AN ANIMAL. THEY SAY, OH, WE'LL MICRO CHIP THE ANIMAL FOR YOU. DO YOU EDUCATE THEM ON HOW TO REGISTER THE MICRO CHIP. NO I GET DOGS I'M S SCANNING ALL THE TIME. USING THE SAME MICRO CHIP SCANNER AT ANIMAL CONTROL. JUST LAST WEEK I SCANNED A DOG ADOPTED ON ANIMAL CONTROL TO A WOMAN THAT LIVED AT HALFWAY HOUSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, SHE DUMPED THE DOG BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. I CALLED ANIMAL CONTROL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, THE DOG CAME FROM YOU GUYS. THANKFULLYTHE LADY THAT FOUND IT KEPT THE DOG, BUT I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO FIND THE MICRO CHIP COMPANY BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, THE MICRO CHIP WAS NEVER REGISTERED, SO I HAVE TO DO MY BACKGROUND CHECK, AND THANKFULLY I COME FROM OIL AND GAS, SO I CAN DO THAT, I FIND THESE PEOPLE. THAT'S HOW I PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER. THERE'S AN ANIMAL THAT ELIZABETH LILY HAS RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS PICKED UP OUT IN THE COUNTY THAT WAS REGISTERED TO CORPUS CHRISTI CCAPS, THE DOG WAS NEVER REGISTERED. I CALLED THERE AND TALKED TO KATHLEEN AND ASKED, WHERE DID THIS ORIGINATE? WE DON'T KNOW. GUESS WHAT, I HAVE THE DOG. THE DOG CAME HOME IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR BECAUSE AN OFFICER FOUND THE DOG SO THE DOG LIVES WITH ELIZABETH BECAUSE NO ONE COULD TELL US WHERE THIS MICRO CHIP CAME FROM. IS IT THIS DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE THE MICRO CHIP ORDINANCES, THE SPAY AND NEUTER ORDINANCES. I'VE BEEN IN ANIMAL CONTROL WITH THESE PEOPLE SITTING THERE, BEING ON THEIR PHONES ON FACEBOOK, WHY CAN'T THEY TAKE THE PEOPLE ADOPTING THE DOGS AND SAY LET'S TAKE 30 SECONDS REGISTERING YOUR MICRO CHIP, SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT ON A PHONE ALL DAY LONG, BUT IT DOESN'T GET DONE AND WE'RE OUT THERE CLEANING UP THE MISS. I HAVE VIDEO AFTER VI VIDEO. PEOPLE SELLING PUPPIES, WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND. I'VE ADDRESSED PAULLET TO THE POINT SHE'S PROBABLY BLOCKED ME. I CALL CCPD, I SIT TH THERE, I HAVE WAITED, I HAVE WAITED, AND OFF OFFICERS DON'T SHOW UP. THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE SELLING PUPPIES DAY IN AND OUT. WHY DOESN'T ANIMAL CONTROL HAVE AN OFFICER ON THE WEEKEND, THAT'S THEIR JOB TO STOP THIS. I MEAN, I HAD A PLETHORA OF NOTES HERE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT. I'M NOT GOING BY THESE NOTES BECAUSE I'M SICK AND TIRED OF WHAT'S GOING ON. OUR PUBLIC IS NOT EDUCATED FOR THE FREE PRICE OF NEXT TO NOTHING OR THAT DOLLARS, ANYBODY CAN GO IN THERE AND GET A DOG. I HAD A DOG, A PUPPY THAT WAS LEFT AT PET SMART ONE DAY, THE GIRL POSTED IN DECEMBER, SHE LEFT THE DOG WITH THE LEASH TUCKED UNDERNEATH THE TRASH CAN WITH THE PAPERWORK FROM ANIMAL CONTROL BECAUSE THE LANDLORD WOULDN'T LET HER HAVE THE DOG. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP, WHEN WILL THIS BE ENFORCED. WHEN IS THE -- ALL OF U US, IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WERE 16 OF US HERE IN RESCUE. WE ARE WILLING TO GIVE CLASSES AND EDUCATE THESE PEOPLE, WE ARE WILLING TO EDUCATE, DO BACKGROUND CHECKS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: CAREY, THAN YOU. WE HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> BY THE WAY, BEFORE I STEP DOWN. >> Mayor Guarjardo: CAREY. >> SEE THIS DOG, I'M AN OWNER OF A DANGEROUS D DOG, YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE DON MCGUIRE DECIDES TO HARASS ME AND SEND ME LETTERS BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HERE. MY NEIGHBOR DIED. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU, CAREY. ALL RIGHT. >> I'M A HAPPY WOMAN AND I'LL CONTINUE TO PICK UP YOUR MESS. >> GLENN DELL. DISTRICT 2. I'M ON THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARDS, AND I SPEAK ONLY FOR MYSELF, NOT THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES. I BELIEVE THAT NO KILL IS A GOAL THAT EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT PURSUING THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A STEP IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WHAT HAPPENED AS MR MR. ZANONI POINTED OUT AS ANIMALS ARE UNABLE TO BE PICKED UP, THEY'LL BREED UNCHECKED IN THE STREETSES. PACK MENTALITY, HIGHER DISEASE RATES IN THE STREET AS POINTED OUT IN THE KENNELS BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, BUT THIS'LL HAPPEN, OUT OF CONTROL, AND NOBODY TO HUMANELY EUTHANIZE THESE DOGS WITH PARVO, D DISTEMPER, MAYBE RABIES, BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF BOSTON IN A NO-KILL ZO ZONE, THE NUMBER OF RABIES CASES HAS PICKED UP IN THE LAST WEEK. I'D LIKE TO JUMP TO ANOTHER TOPIC OF THE MICRO CHIP REGISTRY, ONE I'VE BEEN PURSUING, AND GATHERING INFORMATION ON DIFFERENT REGISTRIES, NOT ALWAYS GUARANTEED. THE LIFE REGISTRY SERVICE THAT WAS IN USE BY PORTLANDIAN MALL CONTROL WENT UNDER, SO NOW EVERY ANIMAL THAT WAS REGISTERED USING THAT REGISTRY IS GONE. I'M TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF A WORKBOOK OR MEMO FOR ANIMAL CONTROL TO LOOK AT THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT MAYBE SOLVENCY OF SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND PURSUING SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR REGISTRATION . AGAIN, ORGANIZATION WILL FILL UP, ONCE THE NO KILL, IF IT'S PURSUED, AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL SEE THE POPULATION OF STRAYS INCREASE DRAMATICALLY IN A FEW MONTHS FOR CATS, AND A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT IT WILL INCREASE FOR D DOGS ALSO. I THINK THE RIGHT COURSE OF ACTION TO PURSUE WOULD BE A STRONG, STRONG DIRECTION IN TRAP AND RELEASE FOR CATS, AND JUST SPAY AND NEUTER FOR DOGS WITH RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP. PRETTY MUCH ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY RIGHT NOW, I REALLY WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING, BUT FELT I HAD TO, AND I WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH PROBABLY THE BULK OF YOU THROUGH EMAIL AND PHONECALLS. I TRY TO AVOID BOTHERING YOU ALL BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY AND HAVE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO, BUT I THINK IT BEHOOVES ME TO BE IN MORE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION, THANK YOU FOR MY TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. >> . >> GOOD EVENING. VERONICA LANGUAGE FORD, 2122 CHAPEL VIEW DRIVE. WHILE HAVING A NO KILL SHELTER AT ANIMAL KILL SOUNDS COMPASSIONATE AND EVERY LIFE MATTERS, WITHOUT FIXING WHAT CAUSES ANIMALS TO END UP THERE IN THE FIRST PL PLACE, THIS POLICY THERE WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. HERE IS THE REALITY. OVERPOPULATION IS THE ROOT ISSUE. WE DON'T HAVE A YOUTH NAUSEA PROBLEM, WE HAVE A BREEDING PROBLEM. ACCIDENTAL LITTERS KEEP FLOODING THE SYSTEM. IF MORE ANIMALS ARE BEING BORN THAT COULD BE ADOPTED, SHELTERS WILL STAY FULL NO MATTER WHAT LABEL YOU USE. REMOVING UNDERNEATH NAUSEA WITHOUT EXPANDING ADOPTIONS, FOSTERS, AND RESOURCES DOES NOT MEAN ANIMALS GET SAVED, IT MEANS THEY STAY LONGER IN THE KENNELS, OV OVERCROWDING STRESS DISEASE, BEHAVIORAL DECLINE, AND NO SPACE FOR THE INCOMING ANI ANIMALS. NOT A SOLUTION, A LONG TERM WARE HOUSING. LOCAL RESCUES. FOSTERS, AND VOLUNTEERS ARE STRETCHED THIN. WE CANNOT ABSORB THE ENTIRE CITY'S CRISIS, WITHOUT SYSTEMIC CHANGE, NO KILL SIMPLY SHIFTS THE BURDEN ON EXHAUSTED RESCUERS. SPAY AND NEUTER MUST BE THE FOUNDATION. IF WE WANT REAL CHANGE, WE HAVE TO STOP THE PROBLEM AT ITS SOURCE. THAT MEANS MAKING SPAY, NEUTER FOR DOGS ACCESSIBLE AND ACTIVELY ENFORCED, ENDING BACKYARD BREEDING AND U UNCONTROLLED LITTERS, EXPANDING LOW COST AND FREE STROLLIZATION PROGRAMS. NO POLICY AT ANIMAL CONTROL WILL SUCCEED IF WE CONTINUE PRODUCING MORE ANIMALS THAN HOMES EXIST. TNR, TRAP, NEUTER AND RETURN PROGRAMS ADOPTED FOR STRAY DOGS TO STABILIZE NUMBERS RATHER THAN LETTING THEM MU MULTIPLY. NOT ABOUT BEING HARSH, BUT HUMANE, YOU CAN'T FIX THE LAST STEP IN THE SYSTEM, UNDERNEATH NAUSEA WHILE IGNORING THE FIRST, UNALTERED PETS. LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY, NO ENFORCEMENT, AND NO EDUCATION. COMMUNITIES THAT SUCCEED AT NO KILL HAVE STRONG COMPLIANCE, OWNER ACCOUNTABILITY COMMUNITY EDUCATION, FOSTER NETWORKS, AND HIGH ADOPTION RATES. IF WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS, WE MUST P PREVENT THE CRISIS NOT REACTING TO IT. FIXING DOGS SAVES LIVES. STOPPING BACKYARD BR BREEDING SAVES LIVES. NOT FROM THE TOP DOWN, FROM THE BOTTOM UP. NO KILL ISN'T THE ST STARTING POINT, IT'S WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A COMMUNITY DOES THE HARD WORK, AND TO THANK YOU, MAYOR FOR ANSWERING MY TEXTINGS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: ALWAYS, THANK YOU, VERONICA. ANYONE ELSE? YES MA'AM? >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS KELLY SEGURA, I LIVE HERE IN CORPUS, OUR RESCUE IS CASA GEGURA HOUSE OF HOPE. AND WHILE A NO-KILL SHELTER IS -- IN A PERFECT WORLD IT WOULD BE AWESOME, BUT WE ARE NOT THERE. WE -- WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS SITUATION HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. I'LL BE 60 YEARS OLD AND I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. THIS HAS BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS A CHILD. IT IS A CULTURAL MIND SET. MY GRANDPARENTS HAD DOGS THAT RAN CRAZY, AND I GREW UP WITH A DOG THAT MY PARENTS MADE LIVE OUTSIDE. BUT AS I GREW UP I LE LEARNED OUR DOGS ARE OUR FAMILY. AND MR. SCOTT, MY SYMPATHIES TO YOU FOR YOUR DOG, YOUR LOSS, I THINK OF THAT, BUT ABANDONED, ABUSED DOGS ARE ON OUR STREET, AND A LONG TIME AGO, WHEN THEY WERE ON OUR STREET. IT WAS THE NEWSPAPER WE LOOK THROUGH, BUT NOW WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA SO IT'S PREVALENT. EVERY DAY WHEN I GET ON MY PHONE, I'M GETTING MESSAGES, THERE'S A DOG HERE, A DOG THERE, WE'VE GOT TO SAVE THIS DOG. WE TRAP THEM, RESCUE THEM, DEAL WITH OUTSIDE RESCUES OUT OF OUR STATE TO GET THEM OUT OF CORPUS, BUT I'M NOT PO POSED TO ADOPTING HERE IN TEXAS BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE HERE. WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. YOU ARE GOOD PEOPLE. YOU CARE ABOUT THE DOGS. THESE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE DOGS. THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE WILLING TO OPEN THEIR HOMES TO DOGS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP. WE NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN RESCUES AND ANIMAL CONTROL. WE NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN RESCUES AND OUR CITY COUNCIL. WE NEED TO OPEN OUR MINDS. WE NEED TO OPEN OUR HEARTS, AND OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER, AND WE NEED TO HOLD THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABILITY. THE PEOPLE THAT LET THEIR DOGS RUN, OPEN THE DOOR, OH THEY'LL COME BACK AND THEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA. OH MY GOSH MY DOG IS LOST. MY DOG. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE I IS. I LET HIM OUT, HE ALWAYS COMES HOME. NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. WE HAVE TO MAKE PEOPLE BE ACCOUNTABILITY. AND WHEN THE DOGS ARE ADOPTED OUT, WHEN THEY ARE RETURNED TO ANIMAL CONTROL, THE PEOPLE MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. PUT IT ON THEIR WATER BILL. FIND THEM. SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT SO THAT WHEN THESE PEOPLE GO TO COURT, AND IF ANIMAL CONTROL CAN'T SEND AN OFFICER, THE AFFIDAVIT IS SIGNED. IT'S GOING TO GO THR THROUGH. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO PAY THEIR FINES BECAUSE ONCE THEY START BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IT'S GOT TO STOP. IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP TOMORROW, BUT IT'LL S STOP, AND THEN WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE IS A SOLUTION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYBE WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A BIGGER ANIMAL CONTROL, AND MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TURN DOGS AWAY, AND WE'LL SAY, NO, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME BECAUSE THEY WERE CHIPPED AND THEY WERE LOVED, AND THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO. SO WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU. THANK YOU.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: I GET THE SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAM. WE NEED TO HYPE THAT UP TO OVERDRIVE AND GET THAT DONE. I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND STUFF, BUT IF OUR SHELTERS BEING ON THIS, ONLY 20 ANIMALS A YEAR, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA TO DO A NO-KILL FOR SPACE. THAT'S 20 ANIMALS THAT WE COULD SAVE. SO I WANT TO DO A MOT MOTION, AND IF I GET A SECOND, GREAT, IF IT PASSES GREAT. IF IT DOESN'T. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I TRIED. I WANT TO DO A MOTION TO PUT IN POLICY THAT NO ANIMAL WILL BE KILLED FOR SPACE, IN THE SHELTER THAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OWNS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> Cantu: IT'S ONLY 20. IF THEY'RE BEING HONEST, IT'S ONLY 20. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THE MOTION FAILS. AND I WANT -- I THINK I SPEAK FOR THE FORUM THAT VOTED NO, AND THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. I THINK, COUNCILMAN YOU DO TOO. YOU DO TOO. >> Cantu: I'VE DONE MUCH OF IT IN THE PAST. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THAT'S NOT TRUE, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OVER. >> Cantu: IT WOULD BE A START. START SOMEWHERE. >> Cantu: IT'S OKAY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: AND I THINK THE LADIES THIS IS A START. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. GOOD POINT. SO I THINK THAT WE DO START, AND THIS IS A START, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT -- YOU PROBABLY KNOW A LOT OF US UP HERE PERSONALLY OR KNOW BY TEXT, BUT IT IS A START, AND NOBODY IS VOTING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN -- I LIKE HOW YOU SAID IT T WE HAVE TO START AT THE FOUNDATION, EDUCATION AND SOME COUNCIL, SOME PEOPLE SAID, TOO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THE PEO PEOPLE, BUT ANYWAYS, OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE -- YES COUNCILMAN. >> I JUST WANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC THE REASON I ABSTAINED WAS THAT I REALIZED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I HAVE ADOPTED MULTIPLE DOGS LOCALLY HERE, AND DO YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW I CAN -- THEY'RE CHIPPED, BUT I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN, AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF MY DOG GOT OUT, WHAT DO YOU DO? I DON'T KNOW THAT. THERE'S EDUCATION THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. AND WE NEED MORE EDUCATION HERE, AND IT'S A GREAT -- THIS IS A GOOD MOVEMENT. BUT WE NEED TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER. AND I HAD THE ABILITY AS THE COUNCILMEMBER, IF I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH COMPLETE INFORMATION I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ABSTAIN. AND THAT'S THE REASON. WE NEED MORE INFOR INFORMATION. I REALIZE -- EVEN THOUGH I LOVE DOGS, I WAS TH THINKING -- OKAY, I ASKED MY WIFE BECAUSE HOPEFULLY SHE KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LOST AND THIS CHIP, I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE CHIP. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE CHIP GOES. >> Mayor Guarjardo: BACK OF THE NECK. RAY RAY ANYWAYS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: BACK OF THE NECK. AND WE'LL MOVE ON. ITEM 25. WE ARE -- WE PULLED. THAT'LL COME BACK THE 2 27th. ITEM 26. NOT THE LAST ITEM. WE'LL DO 26 AND THEN 27 WHICH IS OUR WATER U UPDATE. WE'LL MOVE ITEM 28, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE CONSENT DEGREE. WHICH IS THE 27th. >> >> Zanoni: YEAH. THE 27th OR THE NEXT MEETING. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YEAH THE 26. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION PERTAINING TO THE D DISCLOSING INFORMATION FROM AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND CONSEQUENCES IF ANY. AS REQUESTED BY COUNCILMEMBERs CAROLINE VAUGHN, GIL HERNANDEZ, AND SYLVIA CAMPOS. >> Vaughn: THIS SHOULD BE QUICK BECAUSE WE HAD TWO COUNCI COUNCILMEMBERs THAT WENT OUT AND EXPOSED STUFF IN EXECUTIVE STUFF. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, ROW LAND DID IT. MARK DID IT. CHIEF SAID HE WAS NOT FINISHED WITH THE REP REPORT. WENT OUT AND DID THAT, AND THEN MARK, I THINK YOURS WAS PROBABLY INNOCENTLY ON THE GROUND WATER, THOSE NUMBERS THAT CAME UP THAT YOU SAID MILES SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT UP. DO YOU REMEMBER. MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: FOR THE PROJECT. >> Vaughn: I'M JUST SAYING, AND THEN I GO TO REBECCA, FROM WHAT I WAS SAYING, YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT IN EXECUTIVE. THEN WHY ARE WE HAVING EXECUTIVE SESSION IF OTHER MEMBERS ARE DOING THAT. IF WE'RE DO DO IT. WE PLAY BY THE SAME RU RULES. AND THE IF YOU HAVE PERSONNEL MATTERS, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE IT OUT FRONT. SO THERE ARE SOME THI THINGS, IF EVERYONE WILL COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE'VE BEEN TOLD NOT TO. TELL US ALL SO YOU CAN ALL DO. MILES. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE G GETTING READY TO SAY. HAVE AT IT. GO AHEAD. BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES IF WE BREAK IT. BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES. WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. THEY SHOULD DO IT. CAN COUNCILMEMBERs GO OUT AND TALK ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION. REBECCA SAYS THEY CAN. >> SAYS THEY CAN. >> Vaughn: YEAH. OPEN MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I GOT OUT OF IT. >> CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. THAT WAS SPECIFIC. I'LL. >> Mayor Guarjardo: I'LL LET TH CITY ATTORNEY ANSWER IT. >> IT WAS A MORE NUANCED ANSWER THAN THAT. SO -- YOU WON'T LIKE HERE. VAUGHN DON'T GIVE US WORD SALAD. >> SO EXECUTIVE SES SESSIONS, ESPECIALLY ATTORNEY CLIENT, INVOLVE THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRESENTATIONS OF BOTH CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL AND NONCONFIDENT YOU RECALL MATERIAL. SO IF YOU TAKE THE CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT STATEMENTS AND TAKE OUT THE N NONCONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL OUT OF THOSE STATEMENTS AND IT'S PUBLICIZED. IT'S CONFIDENTIAL, AND I RECOMMEND AGAINST IT, THE NONCONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION BEING RELEASED IS NOT NECESSARILY A VIOLATION, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE -- WHAT REBECCA WAS FOCUSING ON. HOWEVER, IF THERE IS MATERIAL THAT IS STILL CONFIDENTIAL BY LAW, THEN THAT CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL BEING RELEASED, AND POTENTIALLY AN ILLEGAL ACT, AND ALSO HAS -- GENERALLY HAS SOME HARSH, POTENTIALLY BAD CONSEQUENCES FOR THE CITY. SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A MIX OF CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL AND N NONCONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL IN ALMOST ALL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS. THE CONFIDENTIAL PART IS THE FACT THAT THE ATTORNEY SAID IT TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT STATEMENT, AND THE CONFIDENTIAL MATERIAL WITHIN THOSE STATEMENTS IS DEFINITELY NOT RELEASABLE, AND DEFINITELY CAN GET YOU IN TROUBLE FOR RELEASING THAT INFORMATION, BUT THE NONCONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION DOES NOT BECOME CONFIDENTIAL ME MERELY BECAUSE IT WAS PROVIDED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> Vaughn: OKAY. SO MARK, ROLAND, YOU'RE EXONERATED. WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SAY WHATEVER WE WANT. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANYTHING. >> Vaughn: THOSE PRICES YOU SAI HAD GONE UP, YOU SHOWED A SLIDE. >> Mayor Guarjardo: LET'S GO DOWN THE LINE. >> Vaughn: YOU'RE CUTTING ME O OFF. >> Mayor Guarjardo: ARE YOU D DONE. >> ONE MORE QUESTION, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CONSEQUENCES, IF IT WAS BAD, WHAT ARE THE REAL CONSEQUENCES. >> THE RELEASE OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS -- AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S TRULY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL BY LAW, THE RELEASE OF THAT INFORMATION IS PROH PROHIBITED BY THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, AND THERE ARE ACTIONS -- AND IT IS A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR, SO IT CA CAN -- IT CAN BE PROSECUTABLE. I WOULDN'T BE THE ONE TO DO IT, LIKE I SAID, A LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION, THE CITY, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOESN'T PURSUE CLASS B MISDEMEANORS, THOSE ARE HANDLED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICER, AND GENERALLY THOSE CASES ARE BROUGHT BY THE POLICE DEPAR DEPARTMENT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. YOU GOOD? >> Vaughn: NO. >> Mayor Guarjardo: I'M TALKING ABOUT -- HANG ON A SECOND. HOLD ON. HOLD ON HERE. >> Vaughn: YOU JUST DON'T WANT ME TO TALK. I THINK EVERYTHING BACK THERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, IF IT'S NOT WHERE WE CAN BRING OUT HERE AND TALK IN PUBLIC, IT SHOULD STAY BACK THERE, BUT IF NOT EVERYBODY WILL ABIDE BY IT, I'M NOT GOING TO. TELL ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SHOULD HAVE COME OUT. THE CHIEF SAID THE INVESTIGATION WAS NOT CLOSED. WE COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN THOSE PRICES, THOSE WERE NOT SET IN STONE, WE SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. NOW, THE MAYOR GOT ON ERIC FOR GRAND STANDING FOR SOMETHING HE DID. BUT TO ME YOU'RE GRAND STANDING TOO. SO LET'S HAVE A FAIR PLAY HERE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. LET'S HAVE A FAIR FIELD. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS IF YOU SAY SOMETHING LEGALLY, WE CAN'T SAY T BUT ANYTHING ELSE, THEY COULD SAY IT, SO THEY'RE OKAY TO SAY IT. >> Barrera: I DIDN'T SAY OKAY, STILL DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SA THINGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE THEY'RE PRESENTED THERE IN A REASON HOWEVER THE CRIMINA PROHICKSES APPLY ONLY TO THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION TRANSMITTED TO YOU. SO I AGREE 100% TO YOU, IT SHOULD NOT -- IN GENERAL, IF YOU HEAR IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, NONE OF YA'LL SHOULD PRESENT IT IN THE PUBLIC UNTIL YOU HEAR IT PUBLICALLY PROVIDED SOMEPLACE FIRST. >> Vaughn: I'LL TELL YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO, I RESPECT THAT, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ON COUNCI BEFORE. I WOULDN'T BLAB IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: COUNCILWOMA BARRIA. >> Barrera: OKAY. I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY IN THE 7 YEARS AND I GUESS NOW, ALMOST A MONTH, THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE VIOLATED ANY RULES. IF SOMEONE FEELS DIFFERENT, THEY'RE FREE TO MAKE A COMPLAINT WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION. I'M -- AND AS YOU INDICATED BEFORE, BASICALLY I WAS ASKED TO BE INTERVIEWED OF INFORMATION THAT WAS ALREADY RELEASED, AND ASKED TO COMMENT ON THE RELEASED INFORMATION. SO I KNOW I WAS ON -- I DON'T KNOW. I WAS ON THE NEWS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU -- WHAT WAS SPOKEN OF, AND I KNOW -- ONCE AGAIN, I SPOKE ON INFORMATION THAT WAS RELEASED, AND ASKED MY OPINION OF THE RELEASED INFORMATION. SO, YOU KNOW, I -- I JUST -- I JUST -- I THINK IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME, YOU CAN CALL ME. AND I'LL TAKE IT. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK I I -- IF YOU THINK I DID SOMETHING WRONG, I RESPECT YOU ENOUGH TO TELL MY, AND THEN I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE THOUGHT PROCESS, AND IF I DESERVE TO -- IF I DESERVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF DISCIPLINE, I WILL TAKE IT, I WILL TAKE IT AND RESPO RESPONSIBLEBLY SO, AND I RESPECT YOU, AND I WILL LISTEN TO YOU, AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU SPEAK OF BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF, I WAS ASKED TO COMMENT ON INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCLOSED BY THE DETECTIVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS BEING -- THAT INFORMATION WAS D DISCLOSED, AND IT WAS AVAILABLE PUBLICALLY. >> Vaughn: AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF YOU DID IT, SHAME ON YOU TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THE INVESTIGATION WAS STIL GOING ON, THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO WE KNOW WE CAN AND CAN'T. YOU WANT ME TO SHUT UP. >> Mayor Guarjardo: I AGREE. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION ON THIS DIAS, MYSELF INCLUDED. COUNCILMEMBER CAMPOS. >> Campos: OKAY. AGAIN, SO WE TRY -- I TRY TO ABIDE BY THE RU RULES. THEY TELL ME DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS IT, THAT'S WHAT I GO BY. I'M TOLD WE CAN'T TAKE PICTURES OR -- OF SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS, WE CAN'T BRING THEM OUT. I TRY TO HONOR THAT, BUT I SEE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERs TAKE PICTURES SO IS IT AL ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED. SO I AM SORT OF, YOU KNOW -- I'M CONFUSED. I MEAN, IS IT ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED. SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER WAY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS -- WE NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER. , YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED, AND AS FAR AS -- YOU KNOW, IT BECOMING PERSONAL. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TALK TO ME LIKE COUNCILMAN BABAR REE ROADWAY JUST SAID. IT'S NOT ONE COUNCILMEMBER VERSUS ANOTHER ABOUT IT BEING PERSONAL, WE NEED TO KNOW FOR A FACT, WHAT ARE THE RULES BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I -- WE DID ALSO ASK -- I'M NOT SURE IF I ASKED YOU, REBECCA, WHETHER THAT WAS ALLOWED OR NOT, YE YEAH. AND YOU BASICALLY SAID YEAH, THEY CAN. WE CAN, AND NOT -- NOT BE IN TROUBLE, AND I'M LIKE REALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: IF IT'S NOT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, YEAH. I DID CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT RESPONSE. >> Campos: YEAH. THAT'S WHY THERE IS CONFUSION. YOU KNOW. I JUST NEED, AGAIN, PLEASE. CAN YOU JUST REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME, MILES, THAT WHEN YOU SAY IT, WHEN YOU TELL US, WHEN YOU ARE ADVISING US IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL. BECAUSE -- THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD. >> THE FACT THAT I HAVE PROVIDED YOU INFORMATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS A CONFIDENTIAL ATTO ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION. SO THE FACT THAT I SAID IT, THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, I GENERALLY PROVIDE A MIX OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION TO YOU AND N NONCONFIDENTIAL, QUITE OFTEN THE N NONCONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS NECESSARY FOR YA'LL TO HAVE PROPER CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS ABOUT. NONETHELESS, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HEAR CONFIDENTIAL INFOR INFORMATION, IT'S COMING TO YOU A DAY OR TWO OR ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH IT -- THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE MRI PUBLICIZED BY SOME OTHER MEANS. ONCE IT'S PUBLICIZED, THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS NO LONGER CONFIDENTIAL, HOW ARE I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN THAT INFORMATION WILL BE RELEASED. IN ANY EVENT, THE FACT THAT YOU HEARD IT FROM YOUR ATTORNEY, THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL CLEARLY AND WILL STAY CONFIDENTIAL GENERALLY AND THE CONFIDENTIAL -- AND IT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THAT COULD BE STILL CONFIDENTIAL WHEN YOU SAY IT. SO FROM A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL STANDPOINT, AND SO I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED FOR VIOLATING -- FOR RELEASING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT IS STILL CONFIDENTIAL BY LAW. >> Campos: OKAY. SO WHEN THERE IS A VIOLATION, IT IS WHOSE RESPONSIBLE TO REPORT I IT? LET'S SAY ONE OF US DOES BREAK THAT VIOLATION, IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ETHICS, IT'S A CRIMINAL ACT; IS THAT CORRECT. >> IT IS BOTH. THERE IS AN ETHICS CODE PROVISION THAT IS COTERMINOUS WITH THE STATE LAW. IT IS WRITTEN IN ALMOST EXACTLY THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN. SO IT CAN BE BOTH AN ETHICS VIOLATION AND A CRIMINAL LAW VIOLATION. >> Campos: SO IT IS OUR RESPONSIBLE TO REPORT IT TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND TO THE POLICE? >> YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A COMPLAINT TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION AS A VIOLATION OF ETHICS STANDARD AND IT COULD BE REPORTED TO THE POLICE IF ACTUAL CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS RELEASED. >> Campos: OKAY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WOW. SO IF YOU'RE SPEAKING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, IT'S CONFIDENTIAL? IF PETER IS SPEAKING -- SO TODAY, BOTH OF YOU WERE SPEAKING AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TI TIME. WHAT HE'S SAYING IS NOT CONFIDENTIAL? AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS? >> IN AN ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IF PETER IS SAYING SOMETHING GENERALLY, HE'S SAYING SOMETHING AS MY AGENT, HE'S SAYING SOMETHING -- >> Mayor Guarjardo: THEN EVERYTHING IS CONFIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS. >> YEAH. THE FACT THAT YOU HEARD IT FROM US IS CONFIDENTIAL IN AN ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL CONVERSATION. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YOU JUST SAID THAT NOBODY VIOLATED ANYTHING. I MEAN. I THINK WE SHOULD RESPECT IF WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU SHOULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT IT. FORGET ABOUT SAYING IT'S CONFIDENTIAL. HE SAID THAT. THAT'S CRAZY. >> THAT'S THE WISE THING TO DO. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YES. >> HOWEVER, IF THER THERE'S -- ESPECIALLY IF I HAVE A POWERPOINT, I'LL HAVE SOME CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND NONCONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR CONTEXT. SO. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WELL, EVERYBODY HAS BROKEN THAT. I MEAN, NEWS HAS BEEN TOLD ABOUT SLIDES SHOWN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL REALLY AGREE TO SAY ANYTHING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION DOES NOT COME OUT BECAUSE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS TO TRY TO DECIPHER WHAT'S CONFIDENTIAL AND WHAT'S NOT, AND WHAT ABOUT TAKING PICTURES. I SEE PEOPLE IN THERE TAKING PICTURES ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THEM. BUT CAN YOU TAKE PIC PICTURES AND USE THOSE ELSEWHERE? >> THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON TAKING PICTURES. I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. BECAUSE THEN WHEN YOU WALK OUT OF THIS THAT, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC REC RECORD, YOU HAVE CREATED A PUBLIC RECORD THAT YOU HOLD, AND THAT MIGHT BE A PUBLIC RECORD, IT MIGHT BE CONFIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY IF THE PICTURE IS OF CONFIDENTIAL INFOR INFORMATION. >> Mayor Guarjardo: SO I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST SAY SOME EVERYT IS CONFIDENTIAL, THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. BECAUSE WOW. >> THAT'S THE EASY RULE TO CONSIDER FOR YOUR YOURSELF. HOWEVER WHEN YOU ASK ME WHAT'S THE VIOLATION OF STATE LAW, I'M EXP EXPLAINING BOTH. >> Mayor Guarjardo: I UNDE UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT WE ABUSE EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU KNOW, THE -- I -- JUST BECAUSE MILES, YOU'RE THE ONE GIVING THE PRESENTATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. LIKE TODAY, ITEM 29, I DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC PERSON WITH REGARDS TO PERSONNEL MATTER. YOU KNOW. AND THIS IS THE CHALLENGE. JUST BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE -- IT'S BEING ABUSED, AND WE LOSE CREDIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THAT'S THE CASE. NOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATION OR THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY OR IF IT'S ACTUALLY A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL FOR PERSONNEL MATTERS, BUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, IS -- OR IF IT'S A LAWSUIT. PERFECTLY OKAY TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S OKA OKAY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SUSPECT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT BELONGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR N NOT. TECHNICALLY, IF I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I SAID THIS SHOULD NOT BE IN EXECUTIVE, I WOULD WALK OUT AND SAY THIS IS WRONG, WE'RE DOING THIS INCORRECTLY. HOWEVER, IT'S SUCH -- IT'S SO GRAY BECAUSE IT HAPPENS SO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU PUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. LIKE I SAID, 29 PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT A ALL. >> YEAH. 29 WAS UNDER TWO -- NOT JUST THE ATTORNEY CLI CLIENT, BUT PERSONNEL EXCEPTION, THAT'S ONE WE DON'T NORMALLY UTILIZE. >> Hernandez: I MEAN, BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANY ONE PE PERSON; RIGHT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WE DID. A FEW PEOPLE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO WE IDENTIFIED THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE BOARD. THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> Mayor Guarjardo: TRUE. >> Hernandez: AM I INCORRECT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WE IDENTIFIED -- >> Hernandez: THE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED ON THE AQUIFER STORAGE IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WERE PUBLIC INFORMATION, THE STATEMENTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MADE CONCERNING PEOPLE ON THE BOARD ARE CONFIDENTIAL. >> Hernandez: DID WE TALK ABOUT ANYBODY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE THREE. OKAY. MOVE ON. >> Hernandez: WELL. WE LOSE CREDIBILITY WHEN THERE'S STUFF ON EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT PROBABLY ISN'T -- ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND THEN WE COME OUT, AND, OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT CONFIDENTIAL, AND MAYBE IT IS, AND WE'RE LEFT TO MAKE IT ON OUR OWN DEVICES AS TO THAT DECISION. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WHY WE SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> Hernandez: WELL, THEM WE SHOULDN'T PUT THINGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT SHOULDN' BE THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM PUBLICALLY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WELL I DON' THINK THAT'S HAPPENING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON. I GET YOUR POINT, THO THOUGH. COUNCILMAN ROY. AND THEN COUNCILMAN SCOTT, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE BRIEFING. >> Roy: YOU KNOW THIS IS -- I CAN'T BELIEVE -- I MEAN, THIS I KIND OF COMMON SENSE DRIVEN, I THINK. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, AND MILES SAID I IT, AND PETER SAID IT AND SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERs SAID I IT, WHEN WE'RE IN THERE TALKING ABOUT THINGS WHERE WE'RE EITHER STRATEGIZING, LOOKING AT PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHATEVER THE CASE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I -- I AM OF THE OPINION THAT WHATEVER IS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE DO NOT DISCLOSE OR TALK ABOUT, AND THAT'S -- I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL 7 YEARS, ALMOST 8 YEARS, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN ON HERE LON LONGER, AND THAT'S THE THING I'VE ABIDED BY. BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'LL CALL IT LIKE IT IS. WHEN I SEE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERs THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND TALKING ABOUT THINGS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR POLITICAL GAIN, THAT BURNS ME UP, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN I SIT THERE AND I GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE OR THAT, AND I'M HEARING A COUNCILMEMBER BRIEFING THEM ON WHAT WAS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT'S WRONG. AND I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE, AND I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN CLOSER TO ELECTION TIME, AND I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT LIKE IT IS, AND SO IF I SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE, GUESS WHAT, I'M GOING TO REPORT IT TO THE ETHICS BOARD. SO THAT'S I'VE ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: YES. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT. LOOKING FORWARD TO HE HEARING MORE ABOUT THE ACCUSATION, I, FOR ONE, THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT ROLAND AND THAT INTERVIEW, AND I CALLED HIM, I SAID HEY, MAN, THAT WAS -- THAT SEEMED LIKE STUFF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO KEEP AMONGST THEMSELVES, AND THAT'S WHEN HE SAID, NO, THE REPORTER BROUGHT IT UP AND I CHECKED THE BOX AND MOVED ON. SO THAT'S MY TAKE IN ALL OF THIS. I DON'T RECALL VIOLATING IT, BUT I'LL LET YOU TALK TO ME, THANKS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YOU VIOLATE IT. >> Scott: PLEASE. YEAH. TALK. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YOU'RE IN VIOLATION. WE'LL MOVE ON. >> SO POSTING ON FACEBOOK DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION IS PROHIBITED. IT'S NOT -- IT'S BEEN MORE THAN ONE. >> Mayor Guarjardo: POSTING ON FACEBOOK. ALL RIGHT. >> DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> Mayor Guarjardo: DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. ITEM NUMBER 27. CORPUS CHRISTI WATER U UPDATE ON WATER SUPPLY WITH A FOCUS ON THE EVANGELINE PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO PUSH ITEM 28 TO OUR NEXT MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING. >> ITEM 25, TOO, MAYOR, DID YOU SAY ITEM 25 IS BEING PUSHED. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YEAH, I SAI THAT EARLIER. YEAH. >> OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. EXCUSE ME. AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT WATER. I WAS EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT WASTE WATER, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR NEXT ME MEETING ON THAT ONE. >> AND WE DO WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAMMATES THAT ARE HERE AS WELL. THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY. THE DAWSON FOLKS. >> YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'VE GOT CHRIS NOYY AND DAWSON. AND JOHN MICHAEL FROM HANSON ENGINEERING IS HERE AS WELL. THAT TEAM IS WORKING VERY HARD AND THEY'RE STANDING BY WITH US TONIGHT. >> YEAH. OVER THERE. AND WE HAVE ENGINEER FROM DAWSON. WE FORGOT YOUR NAME. BUT. >> OH, IT'S A GARNEY REPRESENTATIVE. >> OKAY. SO GARNEY, DAWSON. AND JOHN MICHAEL. LOCAL REP. GOOD. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM THEY'VE BEEN S SITTING THERE ALL DAY. SO GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. SO TONIGHT WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR WATER SUPPLY, AND IT INCLUDES BR BRIEFINGS ON -- FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AS WELL AS AN UPDATE ON LAKE TEX ANNA, INCLUDING OUR VARIOUS PROMPTS, EVANGELINE, THE INNER HARBOR, AND OF COURSE THE REUSE PROJECT, WHICH WE HAD A BIG APPROVE ON TODAY. QUICK UPDATE FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SER SERVICE. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE MEET WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ON A WEEKLY BASIS. THIS IS -- OUR NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE JUST A COUPLE OF OUT OUTTAKES FROM THOSE PRESENTATIONS. THIS IS FROM YESTERDAY'S PRESENTATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SEASONAL TEMPERATURE OUTLOOK OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS FOR OUR AREA AND SPECIFICALLY, OUR WATER SHED IS WARMER THAN NORMAL AND DRIER THAN NORMAL. THE NEXT THING THAT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE REPORTS TO US IS THE STREAM FLOW ANOMALY. SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST 4 AND A HALF YEARS OF THIS DROUGHT IS THAT THE STREAM FLOWS OR THE IN FLOWS INTO OUR WESTERN RESERVOIRS HAVE DECREASED, AND THEY CONTINUE TO DECREASE, AND WE REFER TO THAT AS THE STREAM FLOW OR IN FLOW. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABOUT MORE FREQUENTLY IS LAKE TEXANNA AND SPECIFICALLY THE STREAM FLOW AND IN FLOW INTO THAT BODY OF WATER AS WELL, AND I'VE GOT MORE SPECIFIC SLIDES ABOUT THAT COMING UP. WHEN WE LOOK AHEAD INTO 2026, IT'S A CRITICAL YEAR FOR US. THE GREEN BARS ON THIS CHART IS THE AVERAGE PRECIPITATION IN CATULA TEXAS. CATULA IS SQUARELY IN THE WATER SHED FOR OUR WESTERN RESERVOIRS. THE GREEN BARS ARE THE ANNUAL PRECIPITATION PER MONTH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE IN JANUARY. THAT PRECIPITATION IS LESS THAN AN INCH. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS CONFIRMED THIS WITH US, OUR NEXT REAL CHANCE FOR SIGNIFICANT RAIN IN THE WATER SHED IS IN THE MAY OR JUNE TIME FRAME. AFTER THAT, THEN WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE NEED FOR A TROPICAL EVENT DURING THE HURRICANE SEASON. THE INTERESTING THING IS EVEN IF WE'RE GETTING NORMAL RAINFALL IN THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AVERAGES ARE AN INCH A MONTH, 1.2 INCHES ARE THE MAX, SO THAT'S FAR LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. >> THIS GRAPH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I'M SAYING IT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE ALL NEED TO BE MINDFUL, THERE'S ONLY TWO EVENTS, TWO MAJOR CHANCES FOR RAIN THAT NICK JUST WENT OVER. THE BARS ARE MISLEADING BECAUSE JAN IS NOT EVEN AN INCH. IT'S HALF AN INCH, NORMALLY OVER 30 YEARS. SO THE FIRST CHANCE IS MAY AND JUNE. THE SECOND IS SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER. THE FORECAST SHOWS CURTAILMENT IN NOVEMBER. SO WE'VE GOT TWO MONTHS IF YOU COUNT THE CURTAILMENT TAKING IT OUT JANUARY. SO TWO CHANCES, NINE MONTHS, AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING MORE AND MORE PROJECTS TO BRING THIS WATER RUN. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND IT JUST SHOWS HOW CRITICAL THAT MAY/JUNE RAINFALL, ANYTHING WE CAN GET IN THAT TIME FRAME WILL BE IMPORTANT. THE NEXT SLIDE -- AND I WANT TO BRING IT TO ALL OF YOUR ATTENTION. WE HAVE UPDATED OUR WATER SUPPLY DASH BOARD, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS BEFORE. THIS WAS A NEW DASH BOARD THAT WE PUT TOGETHER IN 2025. SO AT THE CONCLUSION OF 2025, WE LOOKED AT THE DEMANDS. WE LOOK AT -- WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS, COROLO ENGINEERS, LOOKED AT THE STREAM INFLOWS INTO THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS AND LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT SUPPLIES. THE DATE FOR THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY HAS NOT CHANGED. IT'S STILL NOVEMBER OF 2026. AND JUST TO REMIND ALL OF YOU, THAT IS THE DATE WHEN WE ARE 180 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS AWAY FROM NOT HAVING ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET OUR DEMAND. AND IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO OVER THIS CHART A LITTLE BIT. THE TOP CURVE IS THE DEMAND REQUIREMENT FOR THE SYSTEM, SO THAT DEMAND IS BOTH TREATED WATER, THE TREATED WATER FROM OWENS STEVENS, AND OUR RURAL WATER SALES, AND THAT WATER SUPPLIES APPROXIMATELY 500,000 PEOPLE IN SEVEN COU COUNTIES. TO MEET THAT DEMAND, TODAY, WE ARE UTILIZING THE ORANGE -- WHAT'S DEPICTED WITH THE ORANGE BARS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART, THAT'S OUR KNUECES GROUND WATER PROGRAM, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE EASTERN WELL FIELD. THE WESTERN WELL FIELD HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED INTO THIS GRAPH YET, AS WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND TCQ BED AND BANKS PERMIT AS OF YET. THE LIGHTER BLUE SUPPLY IS THE IAN SUP EASTERN SUPPLY, AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE CHART FROM LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A BIG DIVERGENCE WHERE WE WENT PRIMARILY -- ABOUT 70% OF OUR SUPPLY WAS EASTERN RESERVOIRS. LAKE TEXARKANA, AND THE COLORADO RIVER. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS GRAPH IS MAXIMIZING THOSE EASTERN SUPPLIES THROUGHOUT THE NEXT TWO YEARS UNLESS THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS RECOVER. THE DARKER BLUE LINES AT THE TOP ARE THE WESTERN SUPPLIES. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE MAY OF 27 TIMELINE, JUNE OF 27 TIMELINE, THAT'S WHEN THE WESTERN SUP SUPPLIES ARE ESSENTIALLY EMPTIED. AND, AGAIN, UTILIZING THE DATA, IT'S MINIMUM STREAM FLOW, MINIMUM RAINFALL, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT THE DASH BOARD IN 2025 WAS EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE, BUT ACTUALLY, IN 20 TH 2025, WE GOT LESS STREAM FLOW INTO THOSE WESTERN RESERVOIRS THAN THE DASH BOARD DEPICTED. SO I JUST EXPLAINED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EASTERN SUPPLIES, AND THE WORKHORSE IN THE EAST IS LAKE TEXANNA, OF COURSE. SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH LAKE TEX ANNA. THERE ARE DRASTICALLY APPROACHING A 50% RESERVOIR PERCENTAGE, SO WE HAVE INITIATED MO MONTHLY CALLS WITH THE LAVAKANAVANA AUTHORITY, THEY MANAGE LAKE TEX ANNA. ALSO WEEKLY UPDATES ON WHEN THEY ENVISION AND THEIR PROJECTIONS OF WHEN THAT LAKE WILL BE AT 50% OR BELOW 50%. AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE ONCE THAT RESERVOIR DROPS BELOW 50%, IT TRIGGERS CURTAILMENT FOR ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS, IT'S A 10% PRORATA WATER USE REDUCTION. THE GRAPHIC OR SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED BY OUR PARTNERS AT LNRA. THE INFORMATION ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS WHAT IS PROVIDED TO US WEEKLY, AND THAT SHOWS THE DATE OF THAT RESERVOIR DROPPING TO BELOW 50% IS APRIL 3 OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S COMING UP VERY QUICKLY. THAT DOES -- THAT DATE ACCOUNTS FOR NO RAIN OR NO INFLOW INTO THE LAKE UNTIL THEN, SO IT'S NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ANY HISTORIC R RAINFALL OR ANY RAIN, THESE ARE ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS. NOW, THE GOOD THING IS THAT HISTORICAL RAIN PERIOD FOR LAKE TEXANNA IN THE EASTERN WATER SHED IS TYPICALLY IN THE END OF MARCH TIME FRAME, AND HOPEFULLY THEY GET THAT RAIN TO REBOUND THAT AQUIFER PERCENTAGE IN MARCH. AGAIN, LNRA IS PRE PREDICTING THAT LAKE TEX ANNA WILL DROP BELOW 50% RESERVOIR CAPACITY APRIL 3. THE CHART AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS ALSO INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDE US. ON JANUARY 12, THERS SORRY CAPACITY WAS AT 6 64%, AND IT SHOWS THE 2020 -- THE PREVIOUS YEAR MEASUREMENT WAS AT 7 H74%. ALL OF THAT IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING, AND THE CALL WE HAD LAST WEEK, IT WAS WITH THE LNRA HOSTED, OF COURSE, AND THEN IT WAS WITH THE CITY, CCW, AND FORE MOSA, AGAIN, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND FORMOSA PLASTICS WERE THE LARGEST CUSTOMERS FROM LAKE TEX ANNA. THE EVANGELINE WATER PROJECT -- YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT SETS UP HOW IMPORTANT THE NEW PROJECTS ARE. SO LET'S GET INTO THEM. THE EVANGELINE GROUND WATER PROJECT IS A PRESSURE AGREEMENT FOR 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. THE PRODUCTION PERMIT FOR THAT 24 MI 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WAS ORIGINALLY BY THE SAN PA TRISH OWE GROUND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN 2019 AND THEN THAT SAME PERMIT TO PRODUCE 24MGD FROM THIS PROPERTY WAS RENEWED BY THE SAN PA TRISH YO DISTRICT IN JANUARY OF 2025. THE EVAN EVANGELINE LAGOON GROUP IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED 22 DRILLING PERMITS, AND ONE TRANSPORT PERMIT. THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE DISTRICT ON DECEMBER 12, 20. WE HAVE NOT HEARD YET THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DECLARED ADMINIS ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE. HOWEVER, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE BOARD MEETING THIS FRIDAY, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SAN PA TRISH YO GROUND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, IT'S HIS INTENT TO DECLARE THEM ADMINISTRATIVELY COMPLETE. WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT INITIATES A TEN-DAY NOTICE PERIOD, A NOTICE WILL BE PLACED IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER, AND THERE WILL BE A TEN-DAY PERIOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THE PERMITS. AT WHICH TIME A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD. THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS FORECASTED FOR FEBR FEBRUARY 6. THAT'S NOT CONFIRMED Y YET, BUT THAT'S THE FORECAST. AND THAT -- THE FEBRUARY 6 DATE IT'S A CRITICAL DATE FOR ALL OF US. WE NEED THE DRILLING PERMITS APPROVED BY THE END OF THE DAY ON FEBRUARY 6, OTHERWISE IT WILL AFFECT OUR TIMELINE IN EXECUTING THE EVANGELINE PROJECT AND PROVIDING PARTIAL DELIVERY INTO THE MARY ROROADS PIPELINE IN NOVEMBER OF 2026. A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS. YOU KNOW, FIRST I DO WANT TO -- THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT, I WANT TO CREDIT THAT TO OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS, HANSEN ENGINEERS, AND IT'S AN ABSOLUTE GREAT GRAPHIC. IT SHOWS HOW IN TODAY, OF COURSE, WE SUP PLY SAN PA TRISH YO COUNTY WITH WATER. THAT'S SUPPLIED FROM L LIVO COUNTY, OF COURSE NUECES COUNTY. SUPPLIED BY MATAGORA COUNTY, WHICH IS WHERE THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER IS AND THEN ALSO JACKSON COUNTY, WHICH IS WHY LAKE TEXANNA IS. BUT THIS IS A GREAT GRAPH. IT SHOWS HOW WATER ASK LEAVING SAN PA TRICIO COUNTY AND RETURNING TO IT. WE USE THIS A LOT, AND IT PAINTS A VERY CLEAR PICTURE. SOME UPCOMING ACTIONS. I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND BOARD M MEETING OF THE SAN PATR IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES CIO ON JANUARY 16. THAT'S THIS FRIDAY. THE CITY MANAGER AND I OF COURSE WILL BE ATT ATTENDING. THE EVANGELINE LAGOON TEAM CONTINUES THEIR MEDIATION WITH THE LANDOWNERS OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT IS ONGOING IN EARNEST, AND OF COURSE THE CITY AND CCW CONTINUES TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SAN PAT GROUND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THOSE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE THROUGH THE TWO WEEKS OVER CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS, AND CERTAINLY HAVE CONTINUED. WE HAD A VERY GOOD CALL WITH THEM LAST FRIDAY. OUR FRIENDS, DAWSON, HANSEN ENGINEERS, AND CONSTRUCTION ARE CONTINUING TO PROCEED WITH THEIR DESIGN EFFORTS AND P PRECONSTRUCTION SERV SERVICES, AND WE APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE TODAY. ONE THING WE DO WANT TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR IS CONTRACT AMENDMENTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. THOSE CONTRACT AMEN AMENDMENTS WOULD BE FOR PREPURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION SER SERVICES. WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD IF WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT DATE OF PARTIAL DELIVERY IN NOVEMBER. AND, OF COURSE, WE WILL BE KEEPING ALL OF YOU U UPDATED ON THE PERMIT STATUS AND UPDATES PRIOR TO THOSE DECISIONS BEING MADE. WE STILL HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE EVANGELINE LAGUNA GROUP, WEEKLY SCHEDULED ME MEETINGS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK, WE ACTUALLY MEET WITH THEM TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK. AND THEN OUR FRIENDS AT PAIN DAWSON CONTINUE TO GIVE US UPDATES. THE NEW ASSESS GROUND WATER PROGRAM, THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING THERE. OF COURSE THE EASTERN WELL FIELD IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. WE HAVE 8 WELLS DRILLED. THE CURRENT EXPENDITURES ARE $16.6 MILLION. WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE THOSE WELLS UNDER THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE BED AND BANKS PER PERMIT. THE WESTERN WELL FIELD STAFF IS FINALIZING THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT. WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH TCQ. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON FOR THAT BED AND BANKS PERMIT IS AN AQUATIC LIFE MONITORING ASSESSMENT THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED, AND WE PLAN TO POST THAT AQUATIC LIFE REPORT ON OUR PROJECT WEB PAGE, WEBSITE, I'VE GOT A LINK TO THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT TH THAT -- THAT REPORT WAS GOOD. IT SHOWS THAT NO ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM THE PUMPING OF OUR WELLS TO THE AQUATIC LIFE IS EVIDENT. OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT SURPRISING BECAUSE BEFORE THE DAM, THE BAY WATER ACTUALLY WAS -- IT WAS ACTUALLY TRAVELED 23 MILES NUECES RIVER. SO WE HAD THE BAY WATER SALINITY -- BEFORE THE DAM, IT WAS 23 MILES UP RIVER. ON THE WESTERN WELL FIELD. WE'VE GOT FIVE WELLS DRILLED. THERE IS ONE PERMANENT PUMP INSTALLED, TWO PERMANENT PUMPS ARE ON SITE, JUST WAITING FOR CREWS TO INSTALL THEM. WE'VE GOT 3 WELLS THERE CURRENTLY IN THE PROGRESS OF BEING DRILLED RIGHT NOW. THE OTHER BIG COMPONENT TO THAT IS POWER TO OPERATE OUR WELL PUMP AND THE EQUIPMENT. WE ARE WOR WORKING WITH NEC, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM, AND WE'RE PRE APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR SUPPORT AND EFFORTS, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO HAVE PERMANENT POWER FOR 7 WELLS IN FEBRUARY FOR US, WHICH IS GREAT. AND THAT'S AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THEM. THEY'RE WORKING HARD. THE FULL WELL FIELD OPERATION IS EXPECTED IN MAY OF 2026. THAT WOULD BE WITH ALL 12 WELLS OPERATIONAL WITH PERMANENT PUMPS AND POWERED BY ELECTRIC POWER. CURRENT EXPENDITURES IN THE WE KNOW WELL FIELD IS $16.7 MILLION, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE THE STATE OF TEXAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AS THEY HAVE PROVIDED US A $30 MILLION GRANT FOR THE ONE THING THAT WE CONTINUE AND WE WANT TO MAKE EVERY CHANCE WE GET IS THE PHONE NUMBER 361, 826-1600. THAT IS A PHONE NUMBER WHERE IF PEOPLE HAVE AREA WELLS LOCATED NEAR OUR WELLFIELDS, THAT WOULD BE IN NEAR THE EASTERN WELLFIELD ALONG COUNTY ROAD 73. THE WESTERN WELLFIELD NEAR BLINNER, OR ANY POTENTIAL WELLS NEAR THE EVANGELINE WELLFIELD NORTH OF SINTON. IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. THEY CAN REACH OUT TO CCW. WE WILL HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THEIR WELLS. WE WILL HELP THEM TAKE WATER LEVELS FOR BASELINE DATA AND WE WILL ALSO TAKE WATER QUALITY SAMPLES. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM. IT'S A PROGRAM TO HELP US MONITOR OUR WELLFIELD OPERATIONS AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM SO PEOPLE CAN PROTECT THEIR LIVESTOCK AND RESIDENTIAL WELLS ALSO. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING AND I WON'T SAY ANY NAMES, BUT WE'RE THANKFUL TO THEM FOR HELPING US AND HELPING ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THE AQUIFER. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BRETT VAN HAZEL. BRETT IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE INNER HARBOR PROJECT. >> HELLO. BRETT VAN HAZEL, DIRECTOR OF WATER SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. SO THE INNER HARBOR SEAWATER DESALINATION PROJECT, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN DECEMBER, WE DID EXECUTE AN MOU WITH THE CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS, WHICH IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN ACCIONA AND MAS TECH, WITH A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OUR LOCAL ARDURRA GROUP, WHO IS HEAVILY INVOLVED. WE ARE DEVELOPING OPTIONS TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY FOR CONSIDERATION. WE'RE MEETING WITH THIS TEAM WEEKLY TO DISCUSS A NUMBER OF TOPICS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSING IN ON OPPORTUNITIES TO CUT COSTS, FIND GOOD-VALUE ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS, WORKING WITH BOTH THE CITY ON DESIGN SOLUTIONS AS WELL AS FLINT HILLS AND AEP TO COME UP WITH SOME GOOD OPTIONS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION TO GIVE US A PRICE THAT MAY BE CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL THE WORK PRODUCT THAT KIEWIT DEVELOPED. THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS SO THEY'RE LEVERAGING THEIR EXPERIENCE, WORKING ON DESAL PROJECTS AND DEVELOPING PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT KIEWIT HAD DEVELOPED AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE. WITH A HEAVY FOCUS ON THE INTAKE AND DISCHARGE AS WELL AS THE PRODUCT WATERLINE THAT GOES FROM THE CAMPUS IN THE HILLCREST NEIGHBORHOOD, BACK TOWARDS OUR NAVIGATION PUMP STATION. SO THEY MADE REALLY GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT. AGAIN, WE'RE MEETING WITH THEM WEEKLY TO DISCUSS IDEAS AND OPTIONS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO LEADING UP TO THE FEBRUARY COUNCIL DATE, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'RE TARGETING THE 24th TO BRING THIS ITEM. AS NICK MENTIONED BEFORE, LEADING UP TO THAT, WE PLAN ON MEETING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. WE'LL SIT DOWN AND WE'LL HAVE SOME BRIEFINGS TO KIND OF GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT BEFORE WE COME TO COUNCIL. THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE FAR-FIELD ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE GENERAL PROCESS. SO FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US YOUR NOMINEES FOR THE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE TAKEN THOSE COMMITTEE NAMES, COMBINED THEM WITH WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD PUT TOGETHER. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH AN INITIAL INTRODUCTORY E-MAIL, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN ALSO SENDING THEM THE FIRST INVITE, WHICH OUR FIRST MEETING WILL BE ON THE 22nd. THIS WILL BE A GREAT MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE -- SOME OF THOSE KEY ELEMENTS I HAVE LISTED. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR THERE. IT'S SWCA. THEY ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT FIRM. THEY'RE ALL OVER THE NATION BUT THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE LOCAL OFFICES IN TEXAS. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OFFICE THAT THEY HAVE BASED OUT OF SAN ANTONIO. SO THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE THROUGHOUT THE FAR-FIELD MODEL PROCESS. WE'VE ALSO UTILIZED PLUMMER ASSOCIATES, WHO WE HAVE AN EXISTING MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH, TO DEVELOP THE SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR THE FAR-FIELD AS WELL AS HELP PROVIDE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AGAIN, WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP ON THIS COMMITTEE. IT'S VERY DIVERSE WITH RESIDENTS, LOCAL EXPERTS. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CUSTOMER CLASS REPRESENTED, SO IT SHOULD BE A REALLY GOOD COMMITTEE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION AND PROGRESS. AND, AGAIN, THE FAR-FIELD MODEL IS GOING TO TOUCH THE BAY SYSTEM. SO CORPUS CHRISTI BAY, NUECES BAY, AND THE SHIP CHANNEL. AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS THE FAR-FIELD ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO WE HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL NOMINEES ON THE LEFT AND THEN WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SELECTION ON THE RIGHT. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER. WE'VE MADE CONNECTIONS WITH EACH MEMBER. AND WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ALREADY ABOUT BEING EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE AND BE A PART OF THIS. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM. THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE IS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE CURRENT LIMITS OF THE MODEL. AGAIN, THE CORPUS CHRISTI BAY, NUECES BAY, AND THE SHIP CHANNEL. THE LIMITS OF THIS MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY AS WE KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMITTEE. AND WE WORK WITH THE FAR-FIELD MODELER TO DEFINE THE FULL LIMITS. BUT THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE MODEL AND WHAT WE PLAN ON MODELING. JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF TIMELINE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS. SO THIS MONTH WE ALREADY HAVE SWCA AND PLUMMER UNDER CONTRACT. SO WE HAVE ISSUED A TASK ORDER TO PLUMMER. WE ARE NOW UNDER CONTRACT WITH SWCA FOR FACILITATION. OUR FIRST MEETING IS THE 22nd OF JANUARY. OUR PLAN IS TO INTRODUCE ALL PARTIES. WE'LL HAVE THE FACILITATOR THERE. WE WILL HAVE PLUMMER THERE AND OBVIOUSLY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO WE'LL DO INTRODUCTIONS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXPECTATIONS AND EXPECTATIONS IS REALLY FROM THE COMMITTEE, THERE'S A TIME COMMITMENT REQUIRED FOR THIS. WE WANT THEM TO BE ENGAGED. WE WANT THE CONVERSATION TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND OBJECTIVE. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO OUTLINE THE MEETINGS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS. WE WILL GIVE PLUMMER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH THE SCOPING DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE SOLICITATION PROCESS OF ACQUIRING A MODELER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PLAN FOR SELECTING MODELERS AND THEN PRESENTING IT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION AND RANKING. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. THAT'S THE PLAN. ALSO IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE SCOPE AND A FIRST DRAFT OF THE LIST OF MODELERS FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THOSE WILL BE SENT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK IN FEBRUARY, AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS. WE WILL HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS, BOTH FOR THE MODELER OPTIONS AS WELL AS THE SCOPING DOCUMENT. WE'LL FINALIZE THAT AND THEN WE WILL ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THE MODELER THAT'S BEEN SELECTED WITH THE SCOPING DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED AND FINALIZED BY THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. WE WILL GET PROPOSALS BACK FROM THE MODELER AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT MODEL CONTRACT EXECUTED BY THE END OF THE MONTH FEBRUARY. AT WHICH TIME WE WILL HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT -- WE'LL INTRODUCE THEM. WE'LL HAVE THE MODELER COME IN. WE'LL INTRODUCE THEM TO THE MODELER AND TALK ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS TIMELINE FOR DELIVERING THE MODEL, TALK ABOUT THE MODEL USED. WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SCOPE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. RIGHT NOW I HAVE IT LABELED AS BIWEEKLY MEETINGS. THAT COULD BE LESS. IT COULD BE MORE. BUT THE PLAN IS TO HAVE UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE MODELING PROCESS. THE CURRENT SCHEDULE IS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE SO ONCE WE ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE MODELER, THEY MAY SAY BIWEEKLY MAY BE TOO FREQUENT. BUT THE PLAN IS BIWEEKLY MEETINGS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A FINAL REPORT FROM THE MODELER TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL. IN APRIL RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT DRAFT MODEL REPORT SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THE REVIEW. WE'LL HAVE A REVIEW PERIOD. WE'LL GET THOSE COMMENTS BACK AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS, MAKE WHATEVER ADJUSTMENTS ARE NEEDED, AND THEN WE WILL DEVELOP THE FINAL REPORT THAT WE WILL THEN COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND PRESENT. RIGHT NOW THE TARGET IS TO HAVE THAT REPORT READY PRIOR TO US COMING WITH THE INNER HARBOR PROJECT CONTRACT WITH THE CCDP TEAM FOR CONSIDERATION. WE PLAN ON HAVING THOSE READY FOR YOUR REVIEW SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT GROUP. ALL THE MEETINGS ARE PLANNED TO BE AT CITY HALL IN THE SIXTH-FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM. WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THOSE IN THE LUNCHTIME. WE WILL PROVIDE LUNCH. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD THOSE MEETINGS FROM 11:00 TO 1:00 AND WE'RE GOING TO LAY ALL THIS OUT IN THIS INITIAL INTRODUCTORY MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE'RE HOPING FOR FULL PARTICIPATION. WE UNDERSTAND PEOPLE HAVE BUSY LIVES SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON THE FAR-FIELD MODEL. I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO NICK TO FINISH OUT THE PRESENTATION. >> Winklemann: THANK YOU, BRETT. AND THEN OF COURSE ANOTHER BIG WATER SUPPLY PROJECT IS OUR EFFLUENT REUSE. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY. SO WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT OF THE VALERO PROJECT. AGAIN, THAT WILL -- THAT CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF EFFLUENT WATER, RAMPING UP TO ADDING ANOTHER 5 AND RAMPING UP TO A TOTAL OF 8. THERE ARE MULTIPLE FACETS TO OUR RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT, OUR REUSE PROJECT. JUST TO REVIEW THEM REAL QUICK. OF COURSE, THERE'S THE ALLISON WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY THAT IS AVAILABLE. WE ARE WORKING WITH ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND HOPE TO BRING A CONTRACT BACK FOR ALL OF YOU TO CONSIDER, IDEALLY JANUARY 27th. A LOT OF THAT IS ONGOING AND THAT'S WHAT THE DATE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. ADDITIONALLY, ARDURRA IS DESIGNING OUR CONVEYANCE LINE FROM THE OSO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO GREENWOOD. THAT WOULD TRANSFER APPROXIMATELY 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO OSO, MAKING THAT WATER AVAILABLE TO OTHER USERS. SIMILARLY TO THE FAR-FIELD MODELING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAVE THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF YOUR INPUT TOWARDS YOUR NOMINATIONS, ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND PUT TOGETHER A REALLY STRONG COMMITTEE. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT. THE FIRST MEETING FOR THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 23rd. ALL OF THE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE GOAL OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE TO PRESENT AN UPDATED WATER CONSERVATION PLAN TO COUNCIL IN APRIL. THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE IS LARGELY GOING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON THE BOARD. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM MOVING FORWARD BUT IF THEY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO MEET EVERY OTHER WEEK AND WE CAN GET THE JOB DONE, THAT'S GOOD. OR IF WE NEED TO MEET ONCE A WEEK TO GET THE JOB DONE, WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE LIST. OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL OF YOUR NOMINEES AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER'S. AGAIN, I DO WANT TO SAY WE'RE APPRECIATIVE. WE'VE GOT MEMBERSHIP OUTSIDE OF THE CITY PROPER CORPUS CHRISTI. WE'VE GOT THE MATHIS COMMUNITY, BEEVILLE. THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. AGAIN, WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BOTANIC GARDEN, THE PORTLAND COMMUNITY AS WELL. THE COASTAL BEND INDUSTRIAL ASSOCIATION. AND THEN OF COURSE SOMEONE REPRESENTING OUR LANDSCAPE AND NURSERY ENTERPRISES WITHIN THE CITY. THOSE MEMBERS, ALONG WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE NOMINATED, WE FEEL WE HAVE A VERY STRONG COMMITTEE. WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS WORK GOING. THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF, JUST AS MUCH, THAT MONITORING PROGRAM HOT LINE, WHICH IS 826-1600, IS OUR WATER SUPPLY WEBSITE PAGE. AGAIN IT'S SECURINGWATER.CORPUSCHRISTI.TEX. THIS IS THE GO TO WEBSITE FOR THE INNER HARBOR PROJECT AND THE REUSE PROJECT. CURRENTLY THE MAJORITY OF THE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, THE DOCUMENTS, I MEAN, IS FOCUSED ON OUR NEWEST GROUNDWATER BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HYDROGEOLOGIC REPORTS AVAILABLE. BUT THAT WEBSITE IS BEING UPDATED AND WE'VE GOT MORE DOCUMENTS TO LOAD ON ALL OUR PROJECTS, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO DO THAT. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A LINK ON THAT WEBSITE TO MY WEEKLY WATER SUPPLY UPDATE MEMO. JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS OUT THERE. EVERY WEEK CCW PUTS TOGETHER A MEMO AND A STATUS UPDATE OF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AND MORE. THAT MEMO NOW, FOR THE LAST MONTH AND MOVING FORWARD, CONTAINS A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE STATUS OF LAKE TEXANA, AS THAT SITUATION IS GOING TO BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. AND WITH THAT, COUNCIL, WE STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GOT A QUESTION. ON THE SEVEN SEAS WATER PROJECT, I SAW ON YOUR UPDATE LAST WEEK THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE 1.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? >> Winklemann: YEAH. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS BEING WORKED OUT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT NOW THAT IS ABOUT 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS REMAINING COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THERE WAS A SCHEDULED WATER SUPPLY WORKSHOP AND BOARD MEETING WITH SOUTH TEXAS WATER AUTHORITY. THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. THAT WAS POSTPONED AND THAT MEETING IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WEEK ON JANUARY 20th. DURING THAT MEETING, STWA IS ALSO CONSIDERING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH SEVEN SEAS. >> Cantu: BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD WAS THE REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING OR TELL US THEY COULD PROVIDE MORE WATER TO US IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT. WE'RE NOT DOING NOTHING OR SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT'S LIKE ON THE BACK BURNER SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO -- >> Winklemann: YEAH. I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN. WE DO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING UNDER THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED. AND THAT MEMORANDUM, WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE, REQUIRED FOR INFORMATION TO BE SUBMITTED AND PROVIDED TO US. NOT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. I KNOW THEY HAVE HAD SOME PROJECT CHALLENGES AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT. SO THEY'RE WORKING WITH SEVEN SEAS ON A PATH FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET WORKED OUT AT THEIR NEXT BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY 20th. BUT WE DID, MYSELF AND THE CCW ENGINEERING TEAM, HAD A CALL WITH STWA AND THEIR CONSULTANTS, ICE ENGINEERING, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, WHEN IT BECAME AVAILABLE, THEY WERE GOING TO SHARE SOME DATA FOR US TO REVIEW. POTENTIAL CONNECTION POINTS WHERE THEY COULD CONNECT INTO OUR SYSTEM TO PROVIDE WATER. >> Cantu: OKAY. AND THEN ALSO THE FAR-FIELD STUDY. SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT MONTH WITH THE DESAL VOTE? THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US A PRICE CORRECT? ON THE 27th? >> THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE A PRICE WITH -- I'LL CALL IT WITH AL A CART OPTIONS WE CAN PRODUCE. >> Cantu: IS THERE A VOTE ON THAT NEXT MONTH? >> YES. >> Cantu: HOW ABOUT THE FAR-FIELD STUDY? IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN AFTERWARDS? >> YES. THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE A REPORT AVAILABLE IN APRIL FOR YOUR CONSUMPTION AHEAD OF THE VOTE FOR THE ACTUAL CONTRACT. >> Zanoni: THE VOTE IN FEBRUARY WILL BE TO MOVE -- TO HAVE STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING A CONTRACT FOR THAT CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS. ONCE YOU SEE THE PRICE, IF YOU SEE WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS, IT WILL TAKE US A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO DEVELOP THE CONTRACT. THAT WILL BE THE NEXT VOTE. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE FAR-FIELD INFORMATION BEFORE THAT VOTE. >> Cantu: OKAY. DID WE TALK ABOUT MORE WATER WELLS ALONG THE RIVER? DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN YOUR DEAL? ADDITIONAL WATER WELLS? >> SO THE UPDATE INVOLVED THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, WHICH IS EIGHT WELLS. AND THEN THE UPDATE ON THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, WHICH IS 12 WELLS ARE PLANNED FOR THAT. >> Zanoni: WE TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW ABOUT -- SOME PEOPLE ARE AWARE THERE'S A THIRD SITE. >> Cantu: THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I JUST WANTED TO -- >> Zanoni: I'LL DESCRIBE IT HERE. SO WE HAVE THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. THOSE ARE TWO CITY SITES. WE HAVE HAD TWO DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS APPROACH US. ONE IN NUECES COUNTY AND ONE IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY THAT HAVE OFFERED TO SELL US MORE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS. GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE ARE UNDER AND THE FORECAST, WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE DETAILS OF THESE DEALS. SOME ARE IN NUECES COUNTY, ANOTHER OFFER WAS FROM SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. SO YES. >> Cantu: LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, WE TOLD THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO IT, DO ANYMORE, AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO IT. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED THE WATER. I GET IT. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TOLD THEM ANYTHING. YOU KNOW? BESIDES THAT, I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, NICK AND TO YOUR TEAM. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB. I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SAY THIS OR NOT BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT. I DON'T CARE, I'M TIRED. BUT I HOPE THAT YOU GET THE POSITION. I THINK YOU DESERVE IT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, NICK, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. HOPEFULLY THAT PUTS A LITTLE PRESSURE ON PETER BUT I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ANYBODY ELSE FOR THAT POSITION. >> Winklemann: THANK YOU, SIR. >> Cantu: I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU, YOU DON'T RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES, YOU JUST SAY YES, NO. YOU DO A GOOD JOB AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. I REALLY DO. AND YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND I DO SAY AT TIMES SOME CITY DEPARTMENTS DO A GREAT JOB. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR CORPUS CHRISTI. >> Winklemann: WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND THANK YOU. BECAUSE THE STAFF -- WE PUSH THEM PRETTY HARD. >> Cantu: YES, SIR. >> Winklemann: AND THEY RESPOND. THEY KNOW THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I WORK WITH THE MOST DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS I'VE EVER WORKED WITH IN MY ENTIRE CAREER. >> Cantu: 100%. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: YOU MENTIONED SEVEN SEAS. WE GOT JOHN MATA IS HERE. I SEE HIM IN THE BACK THERE. MAYBE YOU CAN ASK HIM TO COME UP AND GIVE US AT LEAST WHAT THEIR SIDE OF IT IS IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. NO PRESSURE, JOHN. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SORRY. I ONLY GOT HERE KIND OF LATE, ABOUT 6:30. I WAS IN AUSTIN MEETING WITH THE TCEQ CHAIR EARLIER TODAY. SO I WANTED TO RUSH BACK TO BE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER ISSUES AND IN CASE ANYTHING CAME UP. I THINK NICK CAPTURED A LOT OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED ACCURATELY. OF COURSE, THERE'S AN OPTION FOR US TO UPSCALE, AND I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE. WE ARE FINALIZING PARTS OF OUR POTENTIAL ELECTION THAT WE'LL TAKE TO THE STWA VOTERS AS A TAXING ENTITY, TO BE ABLE TO HELP FINANCE THE $60 MILLION THAT STWA WAS AWARDED THROUGH WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THAT WOULD INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT COULD HELP COVER THE CREATION OF A BRACKISH DESAL PLANT AND BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE CITY BASED ON, AT LEAST A SURPLUS OF THE 3 MGD PLANT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO. THAT'S PHASE 1. THAT'S HAPPENING. THE BOARD IS GOING TO TWEAK OR FINALIZE SOME AMENDED LANGUAGE NEXT TUESDAY DURING A WORKSHOP AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A ONE-ACTION ITEM VOTE, AND THAT WILL BE IT, NEXT TUESDAY EVENING AT 5:30. I REACHED OUT TO ESTEBAN AND NICK ABOUT THAT. BEYOND THAT, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS TO SHARE WITH YOU ANY UPDATES OF WHERE WE STAND. BUT THE POTENTIAL UPSIZE HAS BEEN THERE. WE HAVE A PARTNER WE'RE WORKING WITH LOCALLY THAT WILL BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO GET US A BETTER LOCATION THAT SHORTENS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN US AND THE DELIVERY POINT TO THE CITY, IF THAT'S NEEDED, AT LEAST FOR THE SURPLUS WATER. OR IF IT GETS UPSIZED. THAT'S IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NICK -- >> Hernandez: LET ME JUST VERIFY A FEW THINGS. YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH SEVEN SEAS IS FOR 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF TREATED WATER. >> YES. >> Hernandez: 3 MILLION GALLONS. AND THEN SO THERE WAS AN OFFER AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPANDING THAT FOR A TOTAL OF 10 MILLION. >> RIGHT. >> Hernandez: BUT NOW IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE OFFERING OR IS IT SOMETHING WE NEED TO REQUEST? >> I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO REQUEST. I MEAN, WE CAN UPSIZE. WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION IN THE TIME THAT WE HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE PAST. IT WOULD BE -- >> Hernandez: YOU NEEDED A FORMAL REQUEST FROM US. YOU NEED A FORMAL REQUEST FROM US FOR THE ADDITIONAL UPSIZE FOR THAT. >> RIGHT. >> Hernandez: IF NOT, THEN -- >> IT MOVES ALONG 3 MGD WITH A SURPLUS OF WHAT WE DON'T USE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY HALF OF THAT 3 MGD. >> Hernandez: HAVE WE REQUESTED THEM TO GIVE US THE NUMBERS FOR UPSIZING THEIR FACILITY? >> Winklemann: NO, WE HAVEN'T. COUNCILMAN, AS WE'VE TALKED, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO SLIDFY THEIR PROJECT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE CHANGING WELL SITES. WE KNOW THAT. PROJECT SITES. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL COST OF CONVEYANCE TO OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THAT'S CHANGING. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CHANGING TO OUR BENEFIT. COULD BE AT A CLOSER LOCATION, POSSIBLY. AND MAYBE NOT INVOLVE FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO THE 42-INCH LINE. SO A LOT OF THAT HAS TO UNFOLD AND WE'RE WAITING ON INFORMATION. >> Hernandez: LET ME JUST KIND OF -- I MEAN, WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED ABOUT OUR SITUATION WITH OUR RESERVOIRS PLUS THE CONCERN WITH LAKE TEXANA. AND THE PROSPECT FOR PRECIPITATION GOING FORWARD. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY STONE UNTURNED AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IGNORING THE POSSIBILITY FOR MORE WATER. NOW WE DON'T -- THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO SPEND STAFF TIME DOING. OKAY. SO IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? THEY HAVE THEIR WORKSHOP. THEY SOLIDIFY THEIR AGREEMENT AND THEN AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, ALL THEIR STUFF IS READY TO GO. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR THAT 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY? >> MOST OF THAT WOULD BE ANSWERED BY NEXT TUESDAY'S WORKSHOP. OUR BOARD HAS TO CALL, AS YOU KNOW, HAS TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE MAY UNIFORM ELECTION DATE, BY THE SECOND FULL WEEK OF FEBRUARY. SO WE ARE IN QUICK ORDER -- WELL, WE HAVE BEEN REVIEWING A MASTER LIST OF PROJECTS BASED ON COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH PROJECT. BUT THE MAIN OPTION THAT WE WILL DELIVER TO THE BOARD IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 42-INCH LINE. IT WOULD BE A NEW LINE TO DELIVER TO O.N. STEVENS TO COVER THAT SURPLUS. THAT'S PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH NICK, PETER, AND THE REST OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM. WE'RE AT LEAST GOING THAT FAR. WE'RE AT LEAST COMMITTED THAT MUCH. NOW, IF YOU FEEL WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT TO CREATE 3 MGD, IF IT'S EASIER TO RAMP IT UP AN EXTRA 10, THEN WE CAN TALK AND WE CAN WORK THAT IN WHILE WE'RE DOING IT. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY, IF ANYTHING CHANGES, IF THE PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL CHANGES IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, THAT WE'VE ALREADY MOVED DOWN THE ROAD WITH OUR OWN COST ESTIMATES AND PLANNING PROJECTIONS AND ACTUAL DESIGN AND DELIVERY OF A NEW, SHORTER TRANSMISSION LINE FROM THE ROBSTOWN AREA TO O.N. STEVENS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT -- >> YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE INFO NOW THAN THE BOARD DOES, WITH WHAT I'VE SHARED WITH YOU. >> Hernandez: WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS IN TWO WEEKS BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE AN IDEA IF IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE ADDITIONAL 10 MILLION. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE BIG SOLUTION. IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A LOT OF SMALL SOLUTIONS TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> Winklemann: COUNCILMAN, IF I COULD ADD THAT ORIGINAL MOU WAS FOR STWA TO PROVIDE US WITH 28 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. SO WE'RE STILL OPERATING THAT. SO WHATEVER JOHN, HIM AND HIS TEAM WORK THROUGH WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES. >> Hernandez: WHATEVER THEY CAN GET. GETTING ON THE OTHER QUESTION. ALL THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED US -- AND I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER -- THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION ON COST PROVIDED TO US ON A PER THOUSAND-GALLON BASIS. ULTIMATELY, LARGE NUMBERS LIKE 900 MILLION OR 1 BILLION OR WHATEVER, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO THE LOCAL POPULATION. THEY GO BY WHAT THEY PAY ON THEIR UTILITY BILL, RIGHT? AND THAT'S ON A PER THOUSAND-GALLON BASIS. WHATEVER WE SEE IN TERMS OF COST FOR ANY OF THESE WATER PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ON A PER THOUSAND-GALLON BASIS SO WE'RE ALL SPEAKING APPLES TO APPLES AND THERE'S SOME ACTUAL -- THAT ACTUALLY CAN CONVEY TO THE ACTUAL PAYING CUSTOMER. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU BRING TO US -- AND THERE'S NO PRICING IN HERE OTHER THAN SOME MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT. BUT WHAT THE PROJECTED COST ON A PER THOUSAND-GALLON BASIS IS FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS. >> Winklemann: THAT'S CORRECT. EVANGELINE PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, PAPE-DAWSON AND GARNEY ARE WORKING HARD TO FINALIZE SOME OF THEIR PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES. ONCE WE HAVE, WE AS IN THE CITY AND CCW HAVE VETTED THAT, THEN I'M AT A POINT WHERE I CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. BUT ABSOLUTELY AGREE. >> Hernandez: AND LASTLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE GROUNDWATER PROJECTS. AND WHATEVER THAT COMES AROUND, WE NEED TO HAVE INTERA PROVIDE US, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO SUBSIDENCE IN ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. >> Winklemann: WE ARE COMMITTED TO A SUBSIDENCE PLAN, BOTH IN NUECES COUNTY AND IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. OF COURSE, SUBSIDENCE DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO LONG-TERM MONITORING. >> Hernandez: THAT COULD BE MODELED OUT BY INTERA, BY STEVE YOUNG? >> Winklemann: SO IT'S MODELING BUT IT'S ALSO SUBSIDENCE MONITORING LOCATIONS THAT WILL EXTEND THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THOSE WELLFIELDS. THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND THE EFFECTS OF SUBSIDENCE THERE. HOUSTON PUMPED A LOT OF WATER FOR MANY DECADES, 100 YEARS, AND THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT. SUBSIDENCE MONITORING IS NOT ONE STUDY AND YOU CHECK THE BOX. IT'S AN INITIAL STUDY, FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONITORING LOCATION SHOULD BE. YOU INSTALL THOSE AND THEN THERE'S A MONITORING PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR WHILE WE'RE OPERATING THE WELLFIELD. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR GROUNDWATER PROJECTS. >> Winklemann: ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THAT MOU BECAUSE AS YOU WERE SPEAKING I WAS THINKING DON'T WE HAVE AN MOU THAT WE ARE ABIDING BY, BE IT 10 MGD. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Winklemann: THE MOU WAS ORIGINALLY FOR 28 MGD. I HAVE TO CHECK THE WORDING. I THINK IT WAS UP TO 28. IN MY OPINION, IT COULD BE LEVERAGED TO ANYTHING BELOW THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO WE'RE ABIDING BY THAT MOU? >> Winklemann: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO THAT SHOULD ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND MAYBE YOU CAN SEND THAT TO US AGAIN, IN TERMS OF -- IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO ASK FOR ANYTHING, IT'S ABOUT CHECKING OFF THAT LIST OF THINGS ON THE MOU BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE REALLY HAPPENS. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. YOU KNOW, MONTHS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. >> Winklemann: YEAH, I CAN RESUBMIT THAT TO ALL OF YOU, JUST AS A REFRESHER. >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> Winklemann: JOHN ALSO, WE DID WORK EXTENSIVELY, WE JUST RENEWED THEIR WATER SUPPLY AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND TOGETHER OVER THE LAST MANY MONTHS. WE DO. STWA IS A PARTNER. THEY'RE A PARTNER WITH US. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ALLOW IT TO PROGRESS, THEIR WORK, BEFORE WE SCHEDULE BRIEFINGS AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO BRIEF. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING OFF OF AN MOU. SO UNTIL CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE, I HATE TO PUT Y'ALL IN A POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, COMING HERE AND THERE'S NOT -- YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE STILL WORKING. ANYHOW -- >> WE CAN GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO NICK AND LET THEM DECIDE WHAT'S READY TO COME AND WHAT DATE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S GREAT. >> WE ARE WORKING ON THIS AND SO WE WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK, FOR SURE. IF YOU FEEL THAT'S A TIME TO BRING IT UP AND HAVE DISCUSSION. BUT THE STWA BOARD WILL NEED TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION IN EARLY FEBRUARY. SO AT THAT POINT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME STRUCTURE TO WHAT THE PROJECT PLAN LOOKS LIKE TO DELIVER TO THE VOTERS SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON. THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. THAT TIES INTO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, WHETHER IT BE 3 MGD OR MORE. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Campos: OKAY, NICK. JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR. ON THE FAR-FIELD MODELING, ACCORDING TO THE DATES, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL BE READY UNTIL APRIL. RIGHT? THE FAR FIELD WILL BE COMPLETED, POSSIBLY IN APRIL. >> Winklemann: I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOT TO GET DONE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE EARLIEST YES. >> Campos: BUT YET WE WILL BE SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON THE INNER HARBOR IN FEBRUARY. THE END OF FEBRUARY. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? >> Winklemann: I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRETT. >> SO, COUNCILWOMAN, THERE'S TWO VOTES. THE FIRST VOTE IN FEBRUARY IS WHEN THE CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS PRESENTS THE COST OPTION THAT THEY COME UP WITH FOR CONSIDERATION. IF COUNCIL SAYS WE LIKE THE OPTION. WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, STAFF WILL THEN GO BACK AND DRAFT A CONTRACT WITH THEM, BASED ON THAT NEW OPTION. THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL IN APRIL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SO THE PLAN IS TO BRING THE CONTRACT AS WELL AS HAVE THE FAR-FIELD REPORT TO YOU PRIOR TO THAT SO THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE CONTRACT, THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. >> Campos: OKAY. WE'LL JUST BE VOTING IN FEBRUARY TO JUST SAY, YES, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT WE STILL WILL CONSIDER THE FAR-FIELD -- >> RIGHT. THERE WILL STILL BE ONE MORE VOTE BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THEM. >> Campos: THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> Campos: AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WATER WE NEED TO MAKE UP FOR WITH OUR WESTERN RESERVOIRS, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY DRYING UP. WE'RE BELOW 10% NOW. CAN YOU JUST REMIND US AGAIN HOW MUCH WE ARE GETTING AND MAKING UP FOR THAT NUMBER. CAN YOU JUST -- ARE YOU ABLE TO LET US KNOW THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE ARE MAKING UP WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS? >> Winklemann: SURE, COUNCILWOMAN. SO A COUPLE OF -- I'LL GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT. SO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS 72 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF LAKE TEXANA AND THE COLORADO RIVER. AND ONE THING I DO -- I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IS ONE PIPELINE. AND THAT IS ONE WAY IN TO O.N. STEVENS. SO THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT GOT TO BE MADE. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEW WATER SUPPLY -- >> Campos: TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSING WATER FROM THE WESTERN. >> Winklemann: SO THE EASTERN WELLFIELD IS APPROXIMATELY 10 MGD. >> Campos: YEAH. >> Winklemann: THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS APPROXIMATELY 17 MGD. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT EFFLUENT WATER. THAT IS THE EFFLUENT WATER, WHEN IT'S ALL BUILT OUT, APPROXIMATELY 16 MGD. AND THAT IS AN OFFSET OF DEMAND. AND THEN THE EVANGELINE PROJECT, COUNCILWOMAN, FULL BUILDOUT IS 24 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THE INNER HARBOR -- I'M GOING TO WRITE THEM DOWN JUST AS YOU ARE TOO. SO INNER HARBOR, THE INITIAL DESIGN IS 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. OF THE ACCIONA AND THE CORPUS CHRISTI DESAL PARTNERS ARE GOING TO PRESENT OPTIONS FOR US TO LOOK AT ON FEBRUARY 24th. NOW, WHETHER THAT NUMBER IS STILL 30 MGD OR IS THERE AN OPTION FOR SOMETHING LESS, WE'LL PRESENT THAT ON FEBRUARY 24th. BUT THE PLANT IS PERMITTED FOR 30 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. INNER HARBOR IS THE ONLY DESAL PLANT THAT'S GOT ALL ITS PERMITS, IS FULLY PERMITTED. >> Campos: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER -- I GUESS YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DISCUSS THE OTHER POSSIBLE WELLS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OR GETTING AT? BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING UP FOR SOME OF THAT ALREADY, THE WELLS. >> Winklemann: RIGHT. >> Campos: THE GROUNDWATER, THE ADDITIONAL WELLS THAT WE ALSO ARE -- >> Winklemann: SO THERE'S NO AGREEMENT RIGHT. IT'S JUST IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DASHBOARD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE EASTERN WELLFIELD SHOWS ON THE DASHBOARD. THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS NOT SHOWING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERMITS. THEY'RE NOT OPERATIONAL YET. >> Campos: SO YOU CAN'T SHOW IT. >> Winklemann: I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO SHOW IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- IT'S MORE OF A -- IT'S NOT A CONFIRMED SITUATION. >> Campos: NEITHER IS THE EVANGELINE. >> Winklemann: THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE DASHBOARD EITHER. THAT'S THE GOAL IS 24 MGD. THE THING ABOUT EVANGELINE IS THE PRODUCTION PERMITS ARE APPROVED. SO THERE ARE APPROVED PRODUCTION PERMITS FOR 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. >> Campos: I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THE MAKING UP -- I THINK I REMEMBER WRITING DOWN 53 -- >> Zanoni: COUNCILWOMAN, THE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS A RANGE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF YEAR IT IS. 40MILLION GALLONS TO 60. LIKE IF IT'S SUMMERTIME WHEN YOU BRING IN 70 FROM THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE, YOU NEED 60 TO MAKE 130. SO THE GOAL IS 40 TO 60. THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU NEED. >> Campos: AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ASSURING THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE ACHIEVING THAT OR GETTING CLOSER TO ACHIEVING THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS WRITING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THESE -- YEAH. >> Zanoni: SO THE NUMBERS TO ACHIEVE THE NOVEMBER PUSH OFF OF CURTAILMENT IS 10. WE HAVE 10 FOR THE FIRST WELLFIELD. ANOTHER 17 BY MAY. EVANGELINE BEGINS AT -- YOU PUT 12 BUT AS I MENTIONED BACK IN THE ROOM, IT'S GOING TO BEGIN AT 5 AND GRADUALLY GET TO 12. AND THEN THE 16 FOR THE EFFLUENT WOULD ONLY BE 3 OR SO BY NOVEMBER. >> Winklemann: CORRECT. >> Zanoni: JUST TAKE THOSE NUMBERS. 10, 17, 12, AND 3 IS 32. SO WE'RE STILL SHORT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SERIOUSLY LISTENING TO TWO SELLERS THAT CAME TO US UNSOLICITED AND SAID WE WANT TO SELL YOU MORE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS. ONE IN NUECES COUNTY, ONE IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A DEFICIT HERE OF 8 MILLION GALLONS. IT MATTERS, EVEN TO THE PERSONS LAUGHING IN THE BACK. THIS WATER IS FOR THE REGION. IT'S FOR NUECES COUNTY, NO MATTER IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OR NOT. AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF TOWN COME TO THE CITY FOR SERVICES AND PRODUCTS AND FLYING AND FUEL AND ALL THAT. >> Campos: NO, AND THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING ALSO AT THE CONSERVATION. IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, STRIP OR PULL OR PULL BACK SOME OF THE PRODUCTION, IF POSSIBLE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERY LITTLE BIT IS GOING TO HELP THE WHOLE REGION. SO THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE TEN TOP WATER USERS. IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT THEY COULD EACH CUT BACK AT LEAST ONE MILLION. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US, YEAH, 10 RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US TOGETHER WORKING AND, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVELY. ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER. SO I AM JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS LISTENING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL DOING OUR PART. SO, AGAIN, I LOOK AT THE 10 TOP WATER USERS AND I SEE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST MAKING AN EFFORT, AS FAR AS THE EFFLUENT. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE AND I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT TO DISCUSS ANOTHER ONE, I THINK IN TWO WEEKS. AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE, I DON'T KNOW. SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE DOOR IS OPEN AND WE CAN BE ABLE TO COUNT ON THAT WATER FOR US, FOR THE PEOPLE. >> Winklemann: YEAH, ONE THING I CAN SAY IS WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL OUR PARTNERS. IT'S BEEN A VERY COOPERATIVE SPIRIT AND ATMOSPHERE. THE CITY MANAGER AND I MET WITH OTHER AREA CITY MANAGERS JUST YESTERDAY TO EXPLAIN THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY AM INTENT ON IS DIVERSIFYING THE WATER SUPPLY TO MAKE THIS SYSTEM SUSTAINABLE IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OURSELVES ON A GOOD BASIS GOING FORWARD. >> Campos: AND I DO APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. I DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR OUTREACH TO THE COUNTIES OR THE AREAS AROUND OUR CITY. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF WE CAN ALL JUST WORK TOGETHER. THE PORT, I MEAN, I KNOW SOUTH TEXAS WATER AUTHORITY IS DOING THEIR PART BUT I'M JUST SAYING I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING AND AM GRATEFUL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: YOU GOT ME ON? WE COULD GET THE 10% FROM THEM, BY THE WAY. I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE APRIL IS GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT. SO THAT 50% CAPACITY WITH LAKE TEXANA, YOU'RE SAYING A REDUCTION IN WATER USAGE. HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT FOR EVERYBODY? DO YOU GET IT FROM THE INDUSTRY? WHAT DO YOU DO? >> Winklemann: IT'S A 10% REDUCTION OF THE DRAW OF LNRA'S CUSTOMERS FROM THEIR DRAW FROM THE LAKE. ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS WILL CUT BACK 10%. THAT INCLUDES FORMOSA AND OF COURSE CCW. >> Vaughn: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE LOSE THAT? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER STAGE? >> Zanoni: NEXT STAGE IS CURTAILMENT, IT'S THE EMERGENCY ONE. LAKE TEXANA IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MIXED BAG. THE GENERAL MANAGER SAID THEY'RE NOT IN A DROUGHT, THEY'RE IN A DRY PATCH AND HE'S WORRIED BUT HE'S HOPING THAT THE RAIN WILL COME IN THE TWO MONTHS, FEBRUARY MARCH. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10% LESS WATER. SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO, IF WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO CURTAILMENT SOONER, IS DRAW THE LAKES DOWN MORE, QUICKER. WE'LL JUST USE THE REMAINING QUICKER. >> Vaughn: THAT WAS MY QUESTION, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT? >> Zanoni: THE LAKES. THERE'S 10% LEFT SO WE HAVE TO DRAW IT QUICKER AND WE'LL HIT CURTAILMENT SOONER THAN NOVEMBER, IF THAT'S THE CASE. IF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION. THE TEAM THAT'S SITTING HERE, THAT'S BEEN HERE ALL DAY FROM PAPE-DAWSON, GARNEY, AND WHO AM I MISSING? HANSON. ARE WORKING EVERY DAY. THEY WORKED AROUND CHRISTMAS TO BRING ON THIS EVANGELINE. BRUCE HILL AND I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO HIM AT 10:00 TOMORROW TO GET READY FOR MEDIATION. WE'RE WORKING ON NUMEROUS PROJECTS TO BRING THEM ON SO WE DON'T GET THERE BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE COUNCIL THE CAUTION AND THE RISKS THAT ARE OUT THERE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED IF WE DON'T MAKE IT. >> Vaughn: WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED. THANKS FOR ALL Y'ALL DONE WORKING OVER THE HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU, NICK AND YOUR DEPARTMENT TOO, MR. ZANONI. I'M DONE. CAN WE GO HOME NOW? >> Zanoni: WE'VE GOT TO GO ON THE RADIO IN THE MORNING. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN OVER HERE. OUR TEAM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED] you're the crew is also excitedk as well. I'm sure they're counting the days down counting the days for sure. We're, we're just about a month away, a little bit over a month, and we should be able to back that fire truck right into that station. So it'll be exciting for us. And uh speaking of the community and being involved, um, I think one of probably one of the best attributes to your