Good evening. Welcome to our Mesa City Council meeting here on July 8th, 2025. Council members Heredia and Go forth are unable to attend. Therefore, they're excused from their meeting tonight. We'll begin our meeting with an invocation by Reverend Mindy Tucker of the Unity of Mesa, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance that I will lead. If you'll please stand for the prayer and the allegiance. I don't see the reverence. So, we'll do a moment of a silence, please. Thank you. If you'll join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Uh Mr. Christopher, as you come forward, let's remove uh 8 D and 8H from the consent agenda, please. With that, you can start with our consent agenda. Good evening, mayor and council members. These are the items on the consent agenda. All items listed with an asterisk will be considered as a group by the city council and will be enacted with one motion. There will be no separate discussion unless a council member or a citizen request in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item. Item two, approval of minutes of previous meetings as written. Item 3 A, act on liquor license application for Quick Corner, 1107 North Mesa Drive. Item 3B, act on liquor license application for Quick Corner, 66 South Mesa Drive. Items 3 C and 3D D, act on liquor license applications for Rochester's Family Dining and Sports Bar, 721 South Rochester. Item 3E, act on liquor license application for Chubby Skewers, 1955 West Guadalupe Road. Item 3 F, act on liquor license application for the Main Street, Mart 714 East Main Street. Item 3G, act on liquor license application for the salted knot, 21 West Main Street. Item 3A, Jack liquor license application for Paddle Pals, 4945 South 71st Street. Item 4 A, approving contract for Ellsworth Road project improvement from the South City Limits to Ray Road. Construction manager at risk guaranteed maximum price number one of one. This project is funded by 2020 street bonds and the transportation fund. Item 4B, approving contract for signal but park phase 2 construction manager at risk guaranteed maximum price number two of two. This project is funded by 2018 general obligation bonds through the parks and cultural bond program. Item 4 C approving seven-month use of a cooperative term contract with renewal options for uplifting vehicle equipment and installation services for the fleet services department. Item 4 D approving three-year term contract with two-year renewal options for self-contained breathing apparatus air equipment parts repairs and maintenance for the Mesa Fire Medical Department. Item 5A, approving resolution to execute the second amended and restated joint powers airport authority agreement and the second amended and restated intergovernmental agreement to reflect the authorities's name change to Mesa Gateway Airport Authority. Item 5B, approving resolution to enter into a lease agreement with the ARM of Save the Family Foundation of Arizona for city on property located at 5135 East Evergreen Street, unit 1209. Item 5C has been removed from the consent agenda. Items 6A and 6B are for approving resolutions related to development of the edge on Maine. 6A is to vacate a portion of the rideway on South Morris Street located south of Main Street and north of Mahoney Avenue. 6B is to enter into a development agreement and public access easement agreement for development of a mixeduse project generally located at the southeast corner of Country Club Drive and Main Street on both sides of Morris Street. Item 7A, introduction ordinance regarding zoning case 24-1062 for property located north of the northwest corner of West Main Street in North Beverly. Reszone of the plan area development and site plan review for multiple residents development. Item 8A, approving ordinance for proposed amendments to chapters 30, 31, and 87 of title 11 of the Mesa city code pertaining to accessory dwelling units, detached accessory buildings or structures or home occupations. Item 8B, approving ordinance for zoning case 24-548 for property located west of the southwest corner of Pacos Road and Signal But Road. This is for a site plan review for development of a freight truck terminal and warehouse. Item 8 C approving ordinance for zoning case 25-163 for property located at 7561 East Baseline Road. Major site plan modification and amending condition of approval number one for zoning case 97-48 to allow for expansion of a minor vehicle service and repair use. Item 8 D has been removed from the consent agenda. Item 8 E, approving ordinance for annexation case 25-49, annexing county rightway at the intersection of Elliot Road and Haw Road. Item 8 F, approving ordinance for annexation case 25-293. Annexing County rightway along South Sign and extending west along the future alignment of East Otto Drive. Item 8G, approving ordinance for annexation case 25-449, annexing county rightway for a portion of the intersection of Elliot Road and Susman Road. Item 8H has been removed from the consent agenda. And item 9A, approving subdivision plat for Longbow Business Park and Golf Club lot to reply. This is for property located west of the southwest corner of Reer Road and Longbow Parkway. Mayor and council members, these are the items on the consent agenda. Thank you, Mr. Christopher. Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Thank you, Miss Spillsberry. Thank you, Miss Duff. Please cast your vote. Mr. Summers, a little sticky there. Motion passes unanimous with Mr. Heredia and Miss Goforth absent. Thank you. All right, we'll move back to item 5C. [Applause] Five item 5C25-063 calling a special election to be held on November 4th. I have quite a few blue cards with those who'd like to speak and I'm going to hold you strictly to three minutes and uh I'm going to call two people at the same time. Uh one on deck like we're playing baseball. Uh first we'll uh meet with Mr. Scott Granger. Mr. Granger, will you come forward with uh Bob Hathcock on deck? Mayor and council, maybe if I could just remind if I can maybe give you a little information before the uh the public speaks to just say that by state statute, we're not allowed to use city resources to influence the outcome of an election. And so while they can talk about uh the the recall itself, um the definition of influencing the outcome of election means uh supporting or opposing a candidate or effectively campaigning. And so this isn't an opportunity for people to say that they support a particular candidate or oppose somebody or to vote for somebody or not to vote somebody, but certainly people can talk about um the fact that they support having the recall or they can express frustrations um with having the recall or whatever opposition of actually having the the recall, but it's not an opportunity to campaign and say you support or going to vote for or against a particular person. So I just want to remind people of that as we as we progress through all the speakers. Thank you for your admonishment, Mr. Granger. Uh, good evening. My name is Scott Granger and, uh, to the, uh, council mayor and council members. Uh, my address is 4135 East Fairview Circle Mesa Arizona District M2. I'm speaking for myself, not as a Republican precinct captain of LD2 or as a trustee for the Summer Mesa Irrigation Water Delivery District. I have lived in Mesa for 34 years and owned and operated my engineering firm, Granger Consulting. I have run for statewide federal office and state and uh uh state senate and representative positions. I'm here today to speak against item 5C and the related resolution 25-0635. I strongly believe that Councilwoman Spillsbury should be immediately removed from office and not allowed to continue to sit and cause more grief and discontent for her constituents of district 2 and the city of Mesa as a whole. She has demonstrated a total disregard for district two constituents. She's acted more than once in a total disregard of the ethics provisions of the city council ethics rules by acting as a liberal activist supporting the Harris Walls presidential campaign and the US Senate campaign of Senator Ggo. These actions alone as a nonpartisan member of the council uh are sufficient in my view to have her removed. But you failed to act. In addition, she has supported the protrans agenda by voting to support trans positions over her constituents express revolution uh at such ideas. As a representative of the city of Mesa to the city of Mesa school district, this is even more of more great concern. She supported voted for the additional homeless hotel on the east side despite strong objections from her constituents. In brief summary, Councilwoman Spillsbury needs to go. Remove her from office now. Do not allow her to continue her unethical and nonsupportive regime of District 2. Thank you, Mr. Hathcock. After Miss Mr. Hathcock is uh Robert Taylor, Robert B. Taylor. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh my name is Bob Hathcock. I reside at 3139 East Hampton. I am here this evening as one of 3858 qualified electors from district 2 recently certified by our county recorder. We exceeded the minimum signature requirements by 20% to activate a special recall election process. I also stand here as one of many volunteer petition circulators. I have personally met with hundreds of concerned friends and neighbors in a one square mile area only of Harmony Park and Sun Trails precincts. In our visits, the vast majority of people shared their feelings of betrayal, distrust, and misrepresentation from our current council representatives voting record and untimely public endorsements. I can't tell you how many of these disoriented voters sincerely thank me for my involvement and allowing each of them to have an individual voice toward a collective effort. Nearly all who signed were well informed on the issues and needed no explanation for the grounds of this recall. According to a fairly recent Pew Research study, Mesa, Arizona, was named as the number one most conservative city in America with a population of 250K plus. This is a remarkable honor that makes me proud to be a third generation Mesa citizen as well as a lifelong conservative. Now, even though our mayor and council are technically elected as nonpartisan, let's be honest, your voters know your party affiliations, as they should and will typically vote accordingly. There's nothing more disingenuous as a politician who claims to be one thing as a candidate seeking election and then proves to be quite the opposite after securing their seat. This can be viewed as misconduct by your electors and certainly was by your Maricopa County Republican Committee. Here's the kicker. The results of your 2024 re-election would have been much different had you publicly campaigned for extreme liberal candidates before election day versus one week after securing a second term. Now, in closing, as participants in this recall effort, we have been vilified by some as having ulterior motives, being partisan extremists who don't respect the election process. We've been accused of wasting taxpayer dollars in a roose that's not good for Mesa. We have been labeled as an outside special interest group funded with dark money. All of these accusations are false. Bottom line is the simple fact that all 3858 verified signatures belong to very disappointed District 2 constituents who reside right here in the number one most conservative large city in America. Mayor and council, we urge you to respect the will of the people regarding this special election. Please uphold the state constitution and city charter that allows for this process to take place. Please give the voters of district 2 another chance now that all of the cards are on the table. Thank you. Let this uh holder our applause please. We have a lot of speakers. Mr. Taylor and following him is u Brian is it Dilk? Okay, you're up next. Thank you. Go ahead, sir. Mayor and city council. My name is Robert Taylor. I have lived here in Mesa, Arizona for 70 years. I practice dentistry here for 30 years. I live at 3841 East Forge Avenue. I'm in District 2. I'm a constituent of Julie Spielsberry, Councilwoman, and I'm against her, and we're going to do everything we can to take her off the and remove her from office. And what really upset me was the time that she was interviewed by the Mesa Tribune and was asked why why how do you vote and why do you vote the way you do? She says I vote by my conscience. Well, I come from a country that believes in the we the people and as constituents uh and being very conservative in that area. It's not what I uh voted her for and uh I'd like to see her removed. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it, Brian. After which, uh, Mark Kimell is on deck. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I've spent my entire career working here in the city of Mesa, so I have an interest in in what is happening here. Um, I did want to point out uh before I get to my main points that all the the things that Councilwoman Sper is be is being um criticized for are all actions that she engaged in prior to the election. And so the constituents have already spoken and reelected her overwhelmingly after she did the things that they are saying that constituents were uh being uh denied. And so um let me get to what my main point which is that the territorial governance in Arizona was terrible. And one reason it was terrible is because the governors who were appointed by presidents uh and the uh legislative members were all deep in the pockets of interest groups from outside of this state. The railroads, the mines, it was terrible governance. And so when the founders of Arizona wrote our constitution, they gave us the right of recall in order to have a recourse for citizens to fight against corruption and malfeasants. That is what the recall is there intended for. If the founders of the state could see how an a national interest group could cynically use this tool that was given to the people of Arizona designed to protect us from the influence of outside interest groups, they would be deeply disappointed with this generation and the way we've used this right that we have now. the group that's decided they wanted a re a redo because no contention of corruption and malfeasants has been made which is the reason the recall exists. But a group decided they wanted a redo on the election because they are rich and Julie is not. And they are depending on the silence of people who won't come to her defense. And they know that if they can get rid of Julie using their money and their influence, then they go to any they can go to any state legislature or city council around the state and say, "Do what we say or else." This is not a recall election. This is a hostile takeover. And the people of Mesa need to say no and stand up for this good, decent woman who has served this city. And I urge her council members to not in official role, but you've worked alongside her. You know her heart. You know what she does for the good of this city. And so I urge you to find the courage to speak on her behalf. Where I grew up, when I see a woman being bullied, you come to her defense. Thank you for your time. Mr. Kimble, [Applause] my name is Mark Kimell. Um, I appreciate this opportunity to to speak. Uh, Mayor Freeman, council members, uh, I'm in favor of the recall. Councilwoman Spillsbury was elected by conservative members of, um, of her district based on her campaign platform. Voters have been disenfranchised with her supporting and promoting ideology that is diametrically opposed to what she originally ran on. voters and constituents feel betrayed. That's why this is a historic recall. Never happened to this extent. And the previous gentleman to say that this is a somehow not proper uh is false. That's why there's a recall opportunity for situations like this. Um she has made it clear that as stated before that she'll vote according to her conscience. But we have a republic. There's constituents to represent. We don't run for office just to support our feelings. It should represent the people. She has um um uh coincided with liberal uh left and supportive candidates that are so opposite of the conservative values of Mesa. I grew up here 64 years. One of the things that makes this community great is the conservative values. And quite frankly, the recent presidential election, the majority of Americans have spoken out. We want conservative values to guide our country. It's u it's disappointing to see somebody that could be so promising to completely go in favor of a direction that was not uh what she ran on. And if she uh represented those things when she first ran, would she have been elected? I I don't believe so. Um, so I really encourage the council to proceed uh as fairly and efficiently with the recall process. Um, it's a difficult thing. I I agree with that. But I battle and speak in front of the Mesa or or Mesa school board and I have people say, "How did the school board get so liberal?" Thank you, Mr. Your time's up. Thank you very much. Uh, with that, Mary Mayino, if she'll come up and following her, Jeremy Spillsberry, if you'll be on deck Mary. Good evening, mayor, council members. My name is Mary Mayo. I'm at 6019 East Hobart Street in Mesa. God gave power to people by right to create government. Therefore, all power in government is derived from we the people. Our representatives or servants are amenable, which means they're accountable to the people at all times. This includes redress of grievances via petition recall. Under the Arizona state law, ARS title 19, chapter 2 clearly states, "Every public officer holding an elective office is subject to a recall by the qualified electors in that district. The voters in district 2 submitted the recall application. Then the petition for recall was submitted for verification and then the Maricopa County Recorders Office verified the recall petition. All this was done properly and legally in accordance with Arizona law and so I strongly urge a yes vote on this resolution. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Mr. Spillsberry. Before my time starts, can I get a little clarification on Mr. Smith's? Your time starts at 3 minutes. Okay. Well, I just want to I was told that we're not supposed to talk in favor or against a a candidate that's been occurring. Am I able to say positive things about a council member or is that is that in violation of what you you had said at the beginning? I believe you can say positive things. Okay. I I hope you would. Yeah, I will. We're as of today, we're on good terms. So, um so I'm I'm grateful for the opportunity. Um so there's I could speak at length um why Council Member Spillsbury um is an excellent leader. Um, but I want to focus on one specifically. I'm her husband, by the way, so, you know, I'm biased. Um, but, um, I want to speak to the issue that's most important to me. And, uh, so, um, the the most important thing of or the success of any organization, certainly a city, is determined by the ability of people to collaborate. And collaboration is um is a function of the quality of relationships that people working together have. And what um I went back and got a a major in peace and conflict studies several years ago and I I learned that the root of all conflict, intractable conflict, is the violation of people's dignity. And one thing I admire and I'm so grateful for uh Council Member Julie Spre's leadership is that she leads out in in being an example that she treats people with dignity, with respect, and with compassion. And um you can't get good policy, you can't get uh um good good results in an organization or a city if you can't foster those kinds of relationships. Um there's been a lot of talk about represent a republic and what what what you know what those responsibilities are. Um there's a fundamental misunderstanding about what that means. Um, Edmund Burke, he is considered the father of modern conservatism, said the following. Um, and I had to change the the pronouns to female. Um, certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with her, their opinion, high respect, their business, unremittmented attention. It is her duty to sacrifice her oppose, her pleasures, her satisfactions to theirs, and above all, ever and in all cases, to prefer their interests to her own. But her unbiased opinion, her mature judgment, her enlightened conscience, she ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These she does not derive from your pleasure, no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence for the abuse of which she is deeply un deeply answerable. Your representative owes you not her industry only but her judgment and she betrays instead of serving you if she sacrificed it to your opinion. I just want to leave um Baklav Havo the first democratically elected president after the in Czech Republic said this hope is not the certainty that things will turn out as you wish. hope is the conviction that there are things worth doing no matter how they turn out. And uh thank you. Thank you. [Music] The next speaker, I'll have to spell her first name. A L A Y N. Is that Allan or Lane on East Palm? If you'll come forward and after which David Lane, you're on deck. You did well. It's Elaine, but thank you. Okay. My name is Elaine Favro and I am honored to speak today in opposition of the recall of Julie Spillsbury. I feel that this recall is a waste, a huge waste of time and money. Julie was overwhelmingly elected to the city council. I think those wishes need to be honored. Julie genuinely cares about all the people of Mesa. She wants the best for Mesa. Um, she has the mindset of principle over party. Julie is a woman of integrity and decency. She acts and speaks with kindness and compassion. Integrity decency kindness and compassion. How I wish that all of our leaders would act with those things. U Macy is lucky to have her voice on the city council. We believe that the city council should be nonpartisan and that Julie speaks for all of us. And when I say all of us, I mean all of us, every constituent, not just conservatives. Um, Mesa is very lucky to have Julie on the city council. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Lane. Uh, following that, Nicole Lea. You're on deck. Um, good evening, Mayor and Council members. Um, my name is David Lane. I've lived in Mesa for about 40 years now. Um, I wanted to speak tonight um, not necessarily about any individual, but uh, I I'm concerned about the reason for the the recall and the fact that the city's spending a great deal of money to do that just because of some issues. However, a lot of the issues I'm hearing raised by the uh recall people are partisan politic issues and the city government has not is not a partisan organization and I think it's really important that uh we make all measures to stay that way. Mrs. Spillsberry has the right as anybody any voter to vote for whoever she pleases. Her vote for a a presidential candidate or a a candidate for Arizona Senate or not to represent Arizona in the Senate um is her vote. it it is not the city's business how she votes for that. Um the another issue is that uh she voted on a u a modest pay increase for the council. It hasn't been that long where the city council did not get paid and because of that uh it limited the the people who were who could in reality serve and and make the time commitment to do that. And so you found that the council was predominantly with wealthy individuals who could do that by having pay. Um it opened it up to a wider uh demographic of people to to represent the uh constituents here in Mesa. I'm just troubled. I I believe that the the council's hands are tied about u whether or not this uh election goes forward. It's just a box checking exercise it appears to be. But, um, I think it reflects that everybody on the council is is could be the next target for things that just don't aren't part of the city's visit or business. I'll have to stop there. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. L. Miss Lea, followed by Jane McCrae. Good evening, council members, mayor, um, fellow community members. I came here not prepared to speak, but I come here as a very proud community member, most importantly, as a mom. And for those of you that support this recall, you don't know Council Member Spillsbury. You don't know that she not only has impacted her own community, but she has traveled to many districts, impacting all of us. And tonight I have made the choice to take some time away from my family because I feel this is important. It's important that we have great people on our council serving us. I believe she cares. I believe that again anybody that supports the recall does not know her does not know her work. I support good people and we all need to support good people. So, thank you. Thank you, Nicole. [Music] Miss McCrae, are you here? Jane McCrae, just wanted to register. Okay. Uh Amy King uh followed by Will Stass. Amy, are you here? Gotcha. Okay. Uh Will Stass, is that right? Will thank you. After him would be Ron Williams. Good evening, mayor and council. Will Stacy in district 2 for the recall election in the city of Mesa District 2. Will the campaign signs for the election be in compliance with the display of signs in the SVT? There are specific compliance requirements for campaign signs under ARS16-1019. Will the city of Mason ensure compliance with marking utility rightaway prior to excavation in compliance with ARS 40-360 21-32? You're allowed to look up the IRS's. If an individual is in violation of having signs in disrepair or encroaching on the pedestrian rightway, will the city of Mesa take action and force compliance? Does the city of Mesa understand that weather and rain affect cause disrepair? The time period required for repair is 24 hours. How will the city of Mesa ensure compliance if any individual fails to remove all signs at the end of the 15-day requirement? What action or how will city of Mesa enforce the Arizona revised statutes? Will city of Mesa remove signs on day 16 and send an invoice to the candidate for the cost and issue a fine? If the city of Mesa does not like the Arizona revised statues, you can revise amend the statues. This is a comment period, not a question and answer period. Does the city of Mesa understand that non-compliance was excessive by all candidates in the 2024 election and specifically district 2? And it appeared the city of Mesa did not take any action to ensure compliance. The Arizona revised statutes provides requirement of issuing fines. That means a monetary dollar amount. Collecting fines is another issue. The law applies to everyone. If you violated the law in the past, take responsibility. We are all human. But when we make mistakes, we should rule it from them. Some do not take responsibility. Does the city amazing have a 247 phone line to call for non-compliance? I thank you. And if I add one one more comment, I love the signage outside your front door that says visitor entrance and council chamber entrance. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Williams. Followed by Candace Hutchinson. Good evening, mayor and city council members. My name is Ron Williams. I'm a 30 plus year Mesa resident. I was inducted into the Arizona Veterans Hall of Fame. Served in the military, United States Air Force during the Desert Storm era, business owner, run three different business development agencies in Arizona. Uh resulted in hundred billion dollars in contracts for Arizona businesses. Uh many of you know me from serving in the community. I chair the Mesa Human Relations Advisory Board. I chair the Mesa General Plan Advisory Committee that planned the city of Mesa through the year 2050. Uh obviously, um my dog in this fight is the fact that uh what's coming to Mesa and and in our community is is very disturbing to me. Um this recall election uh is very disturbing to me. Uh when I I ran for city council in district 1, many of you know uh little less than half of the members in my district in district 1 uh voted for someone other than me, which is council member Rich Adams, a friend of mine. And um I will say that what I've seen happening in the city of Mesa with this recall uh every mayor and city council member here present and unpreent should be concerned because at the end of the day what are we talking about here? Um you know I'm glad I'm a registered independent when when I when it came close to the election and I was labeled as a a DEI candidate. with all that my service uh to this community uh my race was over. It was a done deal. Um I never been called a liberal in my life. I've been called a conservative and all those labels. You know, this should not be a non-partisan race. Let's take away this this nonpartisan piece because it absolutely is not. And uh I'm just concerned for Mesa. That's my fight. That's my dog in this fight. I'm concerned for Mesa and I'm hoping that um good people will do the right thing and let the people's vote be what it's going to be. Um and this recall I I I don't know where it's all going. U but I will say that with this recall election, you can expect a whole lot more. Get ready, Mesa. You're going to hear a whole lot more coming because when the people speak and they don't and the group that doesn't like it, watch out. who's next. Uh, so my dog in this fight is that I hope that I can continue to feel comfortable living in the city of Mesa, owning my businesses at the airport and and be able to do what I do as a as a citizen and not as a label of something. I mean, you can look at me, you can see I'm African-American, but all the other stuff that gets thrown at me, I'm just amazed that that this is happening in the city of Mesa. God bless all of you. Mayor say to council member Julie Spielsbury, council member Vice Mayor Summers, council member Duff, council member Rich Adams, my friend. God bless you all. Thank you, Ron. Miss Hutchinson. I'm Candace Hutchinson. Sorry, I don't cry unless it's embarrassing. I'm I'll join the crowd. I just want to say that I'm very disturbed that we're here. Mesa is a very diverse city and all of you have done nothing but make it safer for our families. I'm another mom who just came to support. I had no intentions of speaking. I've been traveling with my family for the last four days. actually the last week but four days. I haven't had a shower in three days because I had to go back to work today and I would rather go home and take a shower. Um it is scary the fact that we are having a recall election for the reasons that are stated. They are not valid reasons for a recall election. Everything that Julie has done has made us safer, has made us more connected to one another, has made us be able to know our neighbors and love our neighbors and take care of one another. And that is why it is so scary for us to be here at this moment. And I hope that everyone's opinion is heard here, but everyone understands that in the end, we need to do what is right. And so I wanted to take this time to thank you all and to say that I reject the reasons for a recall election. Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Unless I've missed anyone, that's the all my blue cards that I have. Uh, with that any council member wish to speak? Miss Filsbury. I wrote down a statement so that I don't get lost in my thoughts, but my heart is really full tonight looking out at this room. And um, here we go. Tonight, as part of my duty as a council member and in accordance with state statute, I am required to vote to call for a special election. I want to take a moment to address the situation directly and transparently. Let me be clear. I do not support the purpose behind this recall. It does not serve the public good and I strongly disagree with the premise on which it was initiated. However, I will be voting yes, not because I support the recall effort, but because I took an oath to uphold the law and follow the legal process. This vote is not a judgment of merit on the recall itself. It is a fulfillment of my responsibility as a public servant. For nearly five years, I have had the honor of serving this community as your elected council member. I have worked hard with passion, honesty, and integrity, and I am so proud of what we have accomplished together. You have trusted me enough to elect me twice, each time by wide margins, and I am grateful for your continued support. Unfortunately, a special interest group, according to all of the flyers they passed out, funded by outofstate dark money and relying on paid petition gatherers, has now launched a recall against me. Let's be honest about what's happening. This is not a response to misconduct or malfeasants. Recalls are meant to protect the public from elected officials who have committed serious ethical or legal violations. That is not the case here. Last July, I won my re-election by 65 to 35%. If my constituents were not happy with me, this would have been the time to vote me out. That's how this works. Now, rather than accept the will of Mesa voters, they are trying to overturn the outcome and are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to do it. This was anything but a local effort. Over 23 of the petitions were circulated by non-Mesa residents. In fact, of the top 15 petition gatherers, 11 were not Mesa residents. Not only were they not residents of District 2, they weren't even residents of Mesa. No one in Mesa should be okay with this. The recall petition itself cites three votes that I have taken during my time on council. Two of those votes were unanimous. 7 to zero, including support from Mayor Mark Freeman. The third vote provided funding for emergency shelter, offering safety and stability to homeless survivors of domestic violence, children, and veterans. That is a vote that I will not apologize for. I will always support Mesa's most vulnerable. I know that no elected official can please everyone. Boy, do I know it. That is part of public service. But I have consistently listened to your input. I've studied each issue with care and I have voted based on what I truly believe is the best interests of our entire community. I have shown up. I've done the work and I have led with principle even when it wasn't easy. And I will continue to show up. My door has always been open and it still is. Whether you agree with me or not, I will meet with anyone who wants to talk to me. I believe that respectful dialogue makes our city stronger. And I am always willing to listen, to learn, and engage with our community. We are elected as nonpartisan council members. I take that so seriously. Picking up your trash and delivering clean water are not Republican or Democrat issues. We do not serve a party. We serve the people of Mesa. Sir sir sir, she has the podium. That's how I've approached every vote, every decision, and every conversation with the goal of doing what's right for our entire community, regardless of political affiliation. So, while I have to vote tonight to call this special election to comply with the law, I want the public to know where I stand. I remain committed to serving Mesa with the same dedication, thoughtfulness, and respect for this community that I have brought to this role since day one. I appreciate your trust, your engagement, and your willingness to speak out. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. [Applause] Any other council member wish to speak? M stuff. I just have this short statement because I feel very ill with the responsibility to approve this administrative action. I believe it is a waste of taxpayer dollars without just cause issues around partisan politics is outside the purview of city government, a nonpartisan body. We need to keep outside interests outside of local governance. We are not a conservative Mesa. We are not a liberal Mesa. Together we are Mesa. We are diverse in thought, in culture, and ideas, and that makes us stronger. Thank you. Thank you, M. Mr. Adams. Thank you, mayor. Um, before I I have a couple comments and a few things I'd like to say, but I first like to ask the city attorney a question if I may. Mr. Smith, can you please again describe for me because I don't remember the technical terms what this vote is about and what our options really are according to Arizona Revised Statutes. Could you do that, please? Yeah. Mayor and Council Member Adams. So, council many times acts in different regards. It can act in a legislative capacity where it has discretion. It can occasionally act um um and and discretionary acts in which you have certain criteria and then occasionally there are some very few cases in which council's acting in in a ministerial type of um action. And that's what this is. Um under state statute and it's 19-209 the statute actually has three shallows. that says that um a recall election shall be issued within 15 days of a particular date. It goes on to say it shall be ordered to be held on the next following consolidated election. And it goes on to say a recall election shall be called for a city by the legislative body. And so this is it's it is required by the legislative body to call for the election once the the preconditions have been met which have been met. In fact, it's um the first exhibit on the resolution that there are the minimum number of signatures that have been been qualified. And so the council is really acting in in an administrative function or ministerial function in this regard. And by statute, I just read um it is a requirement um for council to move this forward for the recall. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Smith. I appreciate that. So, I do have some remarks to make here and a few comments to make. But before I do, I want people to understand who I am and where I come from. I'm a conservative, been one all my life. Uh, among other things, um, I was the only no vote at the econom economic development advisory board on the non-discrimination ordinance. Okay. I am not going to talk about party politics tonight. That's off the table. This is not a partisan issue here. This is a Mesa issue. Last week in his acceptance speech, our newly appointed chief of police, Dan Butler, said that the members of this of this council are all unique and all different, but that we put our differences aside to come together to serve our community. He observed that we lead with our hearts and we put Mesa first. I couldn't agree with Chief Butler more about that and I will tell you that Council Member Spillsbury clearly leads with her heart and serves this community. I've observed it personally. This recall neither serves our community nor puts Mesa first. What the recall does is meet the requirements of Arizona Rise statutes, which compels this council to call an election. As Mr. Smith just outlined, I don't like it, nor do I support it, but I believe in the rule of law, and Arizona law allows its citizens to recall elected officials for any reason or no reason. It's a fundamental right. Curiosity led me to personally examine the recall petitions turned in by the self-described grassroots effort. I found that approximately 20% of these were gathered by paid circulators. Perfectly legal. Perfectly legal. Many people who run for office do this. Additionally, my observation, not scientific, but I leaped through all those pages, was that about 40% were gathered by volunteers who live in the following communities. Just please bear with me here. Morirana, Surprise, Glendale Pine Scottdale Tempe Phoenix Chandler Talison Apache Junction, Queen Creek, Sun City, Fountain Hills, and Tucson. The old PBLO got to play here, too. So, Mesa's grassroots apparently cover a lot of territory. I'm not making any suggestion here, but it sounds a little disingenuous to me. I've read the things the petition circulators cite as reasons for this recall. None of these things are violations of council member Spillsbury's oath. I took the same one along with her and council member Heredia a few months ago. I know what it says. I do believe that she has been targeted with the intent of making an example of her for breaking political ranks. She didn't tow the line. That's what this is about. And speakers have confirmed that. I I do not agree with every position or opinion Council Member Spillsbury has expressed over the course of her time in office. That's a good thing. Debate is how we achieve consensus in America. That's how all voices are heard and considered. It's through the furnace of debate that ideas are annealed into policies that work for the majority. Nobody gets to have it their way exclusively. It takes courage to break ranks. It takes courage to speak your mind when you know it's not consistent with the party line. While I disagree with some of her, excuse me, positions, I admire her courage her courage and honesty of conviction. Council member Spillsbury won her race last September by a 66 to 34% margin. All the things that made her the target of this recall were known at that time. All the things that have have been s cited on this petition were known at that time. And what we're referring to here now is a political issue outside of Mesa. Yet here we find ourselves forced to spend over $200,000 on this election. I wonder how those who would question our overall spending feel about that. And I will close with this. When I was a kid growing up here, the Mesa Tribune below its banner had a quote and it was there for years and it was I'll probably botch the quote, but it said, "I do not agree with the word you have said, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." And I think it was Voltater or somebody like that. I believed it. then I still believe it now. I don't agree with everything that she's done or said or stood for, but this is not good for Mesa. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Adams. [Applause] Thank you, council. entertain a motion to move forward with this item 5C. Is there a motion? So moved. Thank you, Mr. Summers. Is there a second? Are we going to start over? Yes, please. Sorry, I hit the button too fast. Okay. Motion by Mr. Summers. I need a second. Second. Yeah, the technology is way better. Thank you, Mr. Adams. Please cast your vote. Motion moves forward with uh Mr. Ready and Miss Go forth absent. Thank you. Those if you want to stay, you can. We have a couple more items on the agenda to hear, but uh if you want to leave, you can. Next, we'll hear uh item 8 D is off the consent agenda and that involves Medina Station zoning case 25-00208. We have one request to speak. Uh Miss Charman Pullman. Charman, you have three minutes. If you could quietly, respectfully leave, I appreciate it. Go ahead. We can hear you fine. Good evening, Mayor Freeman and council men and women of the different districts. Um, I am a resident of Mesa for three generations and I know many of you. I went to school with many of you. I wanted to thank um for this uh 8D. I live out at Signal But in Guadalupe and sometimes uh my residents out there uh feel like that we are not part of Mesa. We are kind of like empty kind of way out there towards Apache Junction. And I appreciate that the growth is going out towards East Mesa, but being a Mesa resident for so many years, I've seen uh Freeman Crop Farms and I've seen other farms that have been taken over by buildings. And as much as I want the East Valley to grow, I just asked to be careful that we don't overgrow and become like LA. And being out there, I moved out there to see the mountains of Superstition Mountains and all the other mountains. And I'm kind of like on both. I'm excited to have Target and some of the other going out there so we can and better roads, but I also ask that please don't take Mesa away from those that have lived here for years to not overbuild and not have a lot of other uh data centers. And so anyway, thank you very much. Ma is the greatest. Thank you, Sherman. Any council wish to speak on AD? Any council mayor wish to speak on AD? If not, I'll entertain a motion to move it forward. Thank you, Miss Bilsbury. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Please cast your vote. Okay, votion passes unanimously with Mr. Ready and Miss Go forth absent. With that, we're going to move over to item 8H uh regarding data centers and that is 25-0566 again. Uh Mary Mayabino, can you come forward? Mary, are you here? You're speaking as well as Tom Maples is on deck. Mary. Hello again. Hello. Good evening, mayor, council members. She said, "I'm Mary Mayano and I'm um off of Gil um Breer and Brown Road. I'm I am speaking to urge a yes vote on the data center agenda. I was shocked to learn in last week's city council meeting, Mesa has 15 data centers, 25% of our state's total of 60. I'm concerned because I know data centers use a tremendous amount of water and electricity to operate and um which contributes to our water water shortage problem and can create a very probable negative environmental and quality of life impact. I also know certain states have already closed the door to more data centers and I think it's wise to consider if Mesa has enough. Aside from the fact data centers create noise, heat and they employ less people than other businesses and aside from the fact surrounding neighbors clamor for much needed retail, entertainment and dining options and instead see their home values decrease. My question is, would you like to be living right next to an ugly mammothsiz data center and see your property values drop when that was not the original zoning intent? Perhaps it's time to put a moratorum on future data centers. I'm sure the developers and the lawyers they hire all live in super nice houses in lovely neighborhoods far far away from these visual concrete jungle eyes. At the very least, these data centers need more regulations and scrutiny. And so again, I urge a yes vote on this. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Mr. Maples. Thank you. Um Tom Maples uh here representing the Arizona chapter of 7 by 24 Exchange and our 60 members that are the data center development group. And so we are asking for improvements and to complete the hard work that has been done so far. I thank the staff planning commission and the council for all the hard work. Um couple weeks ago I raised uh several issues. There have been some improvements and clarifications. As I said one week ago that process didn't complete. Eight days ago I met with staff. They said they stood by their work and that it was up to the city council. I'm asking you to correct several issues and I understand where this is going to go that it's going to get approved. The people that are not objecting are the in the development community are the people that are going to still be able to develop their data center under the current rules. The people that are being grandfathered are okay with this. I'm here to speak to you about the next one to two to 10 years as the next data centers would be developed under the new guidelines that you would have under the new zoning that you would have and it would be asking why didn't we finish the job? Why didn't we fix things? There's talk about what's the threshold for an accessory use? What does that mean? What is a data center? Just a point of information. This was modeled on Phoenix. Phoenix Phoenix last week in their final approved version moved from 10% to 25%. I spoke last week here. 10% is going to your attempt at advanced manufacturing. Simple number to change. Phoenix changed that number last week. Why not approve the same screening at a substation as in the MEP yard? Why in an MEP yard do you proclaim too much specific answers? It shall be a solid masonry wall. You guys don't care whether it's a solid masonry wall. There's a per part of the section, lots of changes, lot of improvement, a lot of discussion, really well written. I didn't write it. It's great. I think the utility company helped you on how to make screening, but we can't use that same screening for the cooling equipment or the generator yard. And finally, there's two different sections. There's a section that says all of the rules that everyone has worked really hard at on what can you do near a residential area and there shall be a separation and there is a screening and there's a noise study and there's a whole section that's well written. Do I love it? No. But it's well written. And then there's another section that has a sentence that says shall not be adjacent to the residential. All the hard work went into what are the rules for a data center that's next to a residential and then in F8B it says you can't have it adjacent to a residential. So I'd ask you just to be consistent use and adopt all the hard work that you've done. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Maples. Miss Brown, do you want to respond to any of his comments? Thank you, Mayor and Council. So, I think we heard these comments last week. So, I I'll repeat um what I talked about last week and then Rachel is here this week, so she could add anything to it. Uh as it turns out about new data centers coming in, that's actually the purpose of these regulations is to make sure that as they come into the city that we're minimizing the impacts um aesthetically and to those sensitive receptors such as residential uses. with the 10% being low in terms of the accessory use. Again, we changed that. Now, it's based on the gross footage of the all of the buildings on site, not just a building. So, that actually will end up changing the amount of um accessory use that you're using to store the data for your business. In in addition to that, that also I believe mirrors Chandler and Rachel, you can correct me if I'm wrong on that. with the screening uh with the MEP yards. What we're trying to do is we're trying to keep those uses and those those um requirements for operations of the data centers as far away from the residential uses or those sensitive receptors just because of the noise that comes out of those at times. That's why all of the different requirements for all of those different things about setbacks, separation requirements, walls, uh the location of the MEP, that's why they're included in the ordinance. They work together as a package again to protect those sensitive receptors. Good. Thank you very much. Rachel, did you have anything you wanted to add? Um, mayor, council, the only thing I I would add is that um, for the accessory use for data centers, that was not based off of Phoenix proposed ordinance. That was actually based on existing ordinances for Chandler and for Morirana. And at the time, it was consistent with what was being proposed for Phoenix and for uh Tempe. Okay. Thank you. I'm just going to add that, you know, Mr. Maples that and you brought this up at a prior meeting that we have 15 data centers in Mesa, Arizona encompassing 1,500 acres of land as well as 15 million acre or square feet of data center. And so I think we've done our due diligence. 25% of all data centers are in Mesa, Arizona. And we like to diversify. We're not saying no to data centers. We're just putting some other zoning restrictions on there to help them uh be uh south of the 24. So Mesa still welcomes data centers. So with that, I don't know if council you want to bring up anything, vice mayor. Thank you, mayor. Just a comment. There was a gentleman that spoke last week. I don't think it was here. And what one of the things that he said was that the data center industry has changed considerably over the years. And I could not agree more. One of the first data centers I believe that came to this location was a company and I probably shouldn't call them out but I will. Comark. Comark is located at Ellsworth just south of the power lines. And when you pass by it, you don't even notice it really. It's it looks like a small office building. It's actually a very small footprint, but look what's been built more recently. 95 foot tall buildings. Huge footprints if they're not that tall. There's one data center that looks like an inside out animal because the electrical, the cooling towers, everything that the the generators are all on the outside of the building along either along residential areas or our major arterial streets. What used to be a a a small business has become really an industrial use. So what Mary uh and Nana and and their team has done has taken data centers and and recognize their use and their importance to our economy and put together some very objective standards on how we live together. There was a article opinion piece that just came out not uh maybe this weekend on the west side and it was a complaint about aircraft noise out of Luke Air Force Base, an Air Force base that has been there since 1941, well before the houses were built, right? And here's an important aviation and defense industry that we should protect from the encroachment of residential areas. And on the other hand too, we should also protect our residential areas against encroachment of heavy industry. Someone once said that walls make good neighbors. Well, good zoning makes good neighbors too. I was part of the discussions and eventual adoption of the gateway strategic plan which was live, work, play, restaurants. It's a grand vision with a lot of work to do and we deserve to see that vision come to fruition with a diverse economy, places to eat, great places to live. I think this ordinance is the first step in in a number of newly designed more objective design standards for business industry and residential that will improve Mesa. So with that, mayor, I hope that we adopt this and I'll make a motion for its passage. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, is there a motion? I think we do now. He can still speak, can he? Does somebody wish to speak? Mr. Evans, you're looking for a second. I'm sorry. You got it. I was gonna just Okay. But I don't know how to turn my mic on now if you've already done the other. No, you can't. Okay. No, I I wanted to basically say what's already been said, but um yeah, I think some of the messaging out there has has hurt this that we're anti-data center and we are not as as we have shown by our actions. So, um I I've listened and read all the emails and and any of the opposition towards this as well and I appreciate all their feedback. Um but I do think it's important to just reiterate again and again that how that we have 25% of Arizona's data centers are in Mesa. But we've we have done our fair share and um we we are handling this very responsibly and I'm grateful for for the work the staff's put in to make sure make make this all come out and work with all the various voices on this. So, thank you. Thank you, Miss Filsbury. Mr. Butler, would you like to or manager weigh in at all? Well, um, mayor, I think we've certainly in the course of the discussion over the last month about this and and at, uh, council study session, um, you know, we've really stated the position that the city council and city staff have approached this with. Two things can be true at the same time. One of which is we respect the role of data centers. We have recruited data centers. We understand in our economy the importance of data centers, but equally true is the impact that data centers have on our ability to utilize our our land use, especially in Southeast Mesa, for the highest and best use to attract highquality, highwage jobs. We've done our part in Mesa for the industry. And as the mayor alluded to, we we're not restricting the industry. there are uh areas of Mesa that are more compatible now for this use while we can reserve our high industrial areas for those job creation um companies that we are actively recruiting and actively working to bring those high wage highquality jobs to Mesa and so it's you know it's disappointing when we have worked so closely with the industry for so long to be characterized that just because now we've run up to this area where again um one community having 25% of the data centers for the entire state with still more uh under development that will be grandfathered in uh under this under this respecting their property rights of course then you know we're being we're being chastised as anti-data center and uh and and that's just simply not the case but we we do know that this is a big state this is a a big southeast valley there are other opportunities to site these these locations. I you know I've jokingly said I you know I have three kids. I don't want a fourth. That doesn't mean I hate kids. And so this is exactly what we're saying. We we respect and and appreciate those data centers and some are very good community partners and you know I would like to point that out. They are they are wonderful contributors to our community, but it's time to share the wealth uh with some of our other neighboring communities and also allow those to be cited in in heavy industrial or more um appropriate land uses so that we can reserve that remaining space for those highquality jobs that the vice mayor has been pushing for for a very long time. Thank you, Mr. Butler. It's nice to have a city manager with a sense of humor. Well, we know what he doesn't want. Mr. Adams, I I uh followed up pushing the buttons here, so I thought I would make a comment. You know, I'm I'm casting back on my experience on our economic development advisory board, and certainly there was a time when uh we uh felt very fortunate to uh be able to attract data centers and u I agree with what's been said here earlier. uh having 25% of the state's data centers is is probably getting to a point of saturation if not already there. Um one of my concerns uh has been as this conversation has gone on is uh we know data centers take an enormous amount of uh electrical power. Uh some of them have evolved to the point where their water use is less than what it may have been 5 10 years ago. They're getting more efficient. But let's just focus on the electrical power. If we commit a tremendous amount of power to uh one, two or three data centers in the pipeline. Now we have foreclosed the opportunity to attract other industries that may employ more people on the same square footage footprint and generate more economic activity that way. So, um, back in my economic development advisory board days, uh, I probably never would have found myself saying, "No, no, enough." But I think I think we've, uh, on balance, I think we've gotten to the point where it's time to make sure we have opportunity for other employers, other industries. Um, things move so fast now, we don't we don't know what's going to emerge in the next 5 to 10 years that might appear as attractive or more to Mesa. So, I'm supportive of this uh this action. Thank you, Mr. Adams. I'll entertain a motion for 25-0566 proposed amendments to chapter 67 22 31 32 and 86 of title 11. Uh I think we have a motion by vice mayor, second by Miss Duff. Please cast your vote. Passes unanimously with Mr. Ready and Miss Go forth absent. Thank you for that. Those who wish to leave, you can. We have three, not you, vice mayor. We We have uh three blue car uh citizen, if you'll come up uh and speak if you're still here. Thank you, Dennis. And following him will be William and or Gwen McCain, sir. Uh good evening uh council members and of course uh Mayor Freeman. I'm Dennis Lyles. I live on Edgewood Avenue right in smack dab in the middle of district 2. I'm commenting tonight on response to some previous public comments asking the city to cancel the two 287g cooperation agreement with the immigrations and customs enforcement. I think what some people are failing to grasp is that the 287g agreement centers around individuals are already in police custody and it's used to keep criminals in jail until ICE can process them out of the country. I'm strongly against abandoning the agreement. I'm going to give you four reasons why. First reason, Lake and Riley, Athens, Georgia, killed by an illegal because there was no um agreement in place. Reason two, Rachel Moren based in lived in Maryland, mother of five children. The illegal that killed her at prior arrest, but no ICE detainer. Reason three, Jocelyn Nungury, 12 years old, killed by two illegals who would have been out of the country if there would have been a ICE detainer. Reason four, Melissa Powell and her son reared killed by an illegal that had multiple DUIs, other felonies, but no um no ICE detainer. I would ask people advocating to cancel the agreement if they really want to expand the list to include Mesa, Arizona names because this is exactly what could happen if that if that's happened. The last point I'd like to make is that Pew Research in back in March um did a study and there was uh Republicans and Democrats and 97% of them of both Republicans Democrats wanted illegals uh criminal illegals out of the country. Now, if you can get Republicans and Democrats to agree on something like that, you know, it's a hot button issue. So, I'm putting my hopefully not misplaced faith in the city council, you'll never take up this this this type of amendment. So, cancelling the ICE agreement would be bad public policy and put it all put us all at risk. So, I'd like to thank you for your time tonight. And one other thing, please fix Greenfield Road. Thank you. [Applause] Well, that's the first we had a road that gathers an applause. McCain's come forward, please. Mr. Mayor Mark, the council, thank you for allowing us to speak. I'm Bill McCain. This is Gwyn McCain. We've been residents since 1977. I came over here to coach football and baseball in that year and have coached 43 years of football. So, if some of the audience went to Mesa High, they may have been my students, but I'll let Gwen go ahead and start. Okay. Okay. We are in our late 70s and we've lived in the same house for 47 years, raised our six boys there and we love Mesa, but we're con kind of concerning what's happening in our neighborhood. especially um the house that is next door to us that was sold um January of 2024 and after it was sold I noticed they were doing construction inside of the house. So I went inside and when constructors construction people were there asked to see if I could see what's going on to this house cuz it was a beautiful four bedroomedroom home and noticed that they h were they made um the front room into two bedrooms, the garage into two bedrooms, the patio into two bedrooms. So that means there's 10 bedrooms in there. And and then after that was done, people started coming in and noticed that they were these were all um people that of different races, different ages, and mostly male. Only saw about three um female, but they are mostly male living in there. Now, there's always there's never been less than nine cars that are parked on this street. Of course, they're parked okay, but uh never had less than that. And we live in a a con middle class. It's zoned as our one single family home. We do have some duplexes that are part of it, too. And so um we have seen cars from California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona. And um so we've been this whole year I we have called compliance. And oh man, this is um they told us um the guy that we could all that there's only supposed to be five um people that are um not related that can live in a single family home where we have 10 now. And I also want to mention that a lot of people park on their lawns in these duplexes. Thank you. Thank you. McCain's district. They're in district one. I pass it over to uh Yeah, I pass it over to Council Member Adams. Uh the next card is Jared H. Is there a Jared here? I don't have a last name. So, thank you, Jared. You have three minutes. Well, you do get nervous when you're up here, and I'm actually used to talking to people. Uh, my last name is Hager. I um I'm a Mesa resident, and I'd like to speak on the 287G and a couple of other items that are sort of interrelated with it. Uh, I don't like violent criminals. I don't like nobody wants to read about people being murdered. Speaking of like the gentleman talking about Lake and Riley and he mentioned a couple of other names. But if we start cherrypicking data as far as like well oh well this this person murdered this person this person murdered this person and then generalize an entire population of people. What are we? the the fact that ICE is snatching people and they're not getting due process. According to a Supreme Court decision, one of them was already required to be pulled back from SECOT all the way here. Shouldn't have been sent there to begin with. He had no trial, no no Fourth Amendment rights. and the fact that all it could take is something as simple as a clerical error when somebody is imprisoned or I shouldn't say imprison when they're when they're arrested and then they're in jail and in the booking process. Uh that person could wind up in SECOT or alligator whatever the hell we're calling it now the concentration camp in Florida. And there's no reason that we should allow gaps like that to exist. ICE just got $150 billion. They don't need the police's help. That's more than the budget of the uh Marines. So why let them do their own research. Let them go through the courts like they should be doing and let these people get due process. If they're criminals, then yeah, they'll get they'll get sent back to where they're from. Uh if they're not, they should get a Well, depending on what they've been through, who knows? You had your chance. I I'd like to bring up another point really quickly related to the ICE raids all over town. I get notifications about them all the time. Why are they covering their faces, not showing warrants, not giving names? How do we know they're not just copycats like those in Tucson or showing up? I mean, it's a federal crime to impersonate a police officer. Why would we Why would we not require them to show the same fidelity of the law? They should be for starters, they should not be able to wear a mask for I got 15 seconds left. They shouldn't be able to wear a mask. They should have to state a badge number. They should have to show a judge a warrant signed by a judge. And um otherwise, how do we know we shouldn't call the police on them? And that's it. Thank you, Jared. So Jared, thanks for your comments. For those that want additional information, we have one of our assistant chiefs in the back, Chief Ranken. If you raise your hand, you can reach out to him uh and he can specifically answer some questions for you. since it's not on the agenda, we cannot respond, but you're all aware of that. So, with that, thank you. Um, moving forward, uh, Miss Mosley, do we have any others that wish to speak? Uh, we do not have others that wish to speak, but I have a lot of cards that did not wish to speak. Do you want me to read I put in a card, too? That you wish to speak? Oh, and that my um staff did say everybody was throwing their cards at him, so it was really hard for him to organize them. So, I do apologize if some of them are out of order. I'll double check. Give us a second. Let let us go through and see. Uh well, let me read these first since I do know that these are all I do not wish to speak for um oppose opposing the ICE agreement and that is Lori Thompson Tutu, Bob Pamplin, Michael Stanley, Carol Payne, and Cameron McFrad. I apologize if I ruined any of those names. And then we have Oh, we do have um I'll get to that. We have one that I see that is to speak. So, did I see like three or four hands go up that one, two? Well, let me just point out this is for items from citizens present. So, even though you may have wished to speak on this, which is what these are, um we only allow three speakers for these. So, that is probably the confusion for those. So um but I have three that they did not choose whether they opposed or support but they were all about the 287 and that is Walter vonampenet and jersey Ryan and Tony Mcarana sorry okay so maybe all three of those may have been opposed and then I have in support of the agreement I have Sam Emma Tim Meyer, Richard Everheart, Jer Ginger von Camper or Camp In. I'm sorry. Jaylen Woodward, Mary Maybino, Sher Walton, Jeff Franklin, Melody Wetstone, Alex Vaniki, Senator David Farnsworth, Joanne Robbins. Okay. And yes, those are all in support. And then I I do have two other cards that were for items from businesses present with different categories, different subjects. One was CFDs and one was uh to remove the ML King signs. Okay. Thank you. All right. We've heard from our three citizens present. So move. Did you read Miss Mendoza? Was your name read? I signed up online the com the all the comments that were submitted online for 287G which is not an agenda item were submitted to the council on a report this afternoon so we have and they're published online I'm sorry they are published online as well okay we have a lot of speakers to speak tonight but otherwise we will be done with that uh portion of item 10 sorry about that not getting to everybody's request with that u these are all the items we have for this meeting. Is there a motion to adjurnn? Thank you, Vice Mayor, Miss Spills Bear. All in favor say I. I. Meetings adjourned. Thank you. [Music] [Music]