thank you [Music] thank you foreign [Music] [Music] foreign anything back from the Department okay so um thank you okay I just want to make sure that everybody good morning and thank you for attending the Aurora city council Charter review public hearing both in person and online the members of the committee who are present are myself Allison Coombs the chair of the committee councilmember Lawson and councilmember Mark Cano and we also have council member Medina present this morning as well so I'm going to go ahead and call the hearing to order the public hearing is now open so we will go through each item and during each item if you are on WebEx and you would like to speak please raise your hand so that staff who are running the WebEx can acknowledge you to speak if you are in person the clerk will call your name to speak on the items that you signed up to speak about so without further Ado our first item this morning is regarding gendered language in the charter so I will read the title of each item and then the sponsor of each item will give a brief presentation and then we will have members come up to speak so the title of this ordinance is for an ordinance submitting to a vote of the registered electors of the city of Aurora Colorado at the regular municipal election of November 7th 2023 proposed amendments to articles 2-2 3-10 3-14 section 4 3-14 Section 5 3-14 section 7 3-15 section 1 3-15 Section 3 3-15 section 4 3-16 section 6 3-16 section 8A 3-16 Section 8 J 3 Dash 16 oh no 3-17 section 2 3-17 Section 3 5-2 5-9 6-57-4 e 7-4 f 8-2 9-1 10-1 10-5 10-8 11-3 14-9 section 6 and 15-9 section 6 of the city Charter concerning non-substantive updates to the city Charter to render gender specific and binary pronouns and nouns as non-binary non-gender-specific pronouns and nouns inclusive of all persons specifically changing the word chairman to chairperson the word his to their the expression his or her to there the expression he or she today the word he today and the word He In Articles 8-2 and 11-3 to city manager and amending article 5-9 to incorporate direction that uniform codes adopted by the city for inclusion in the city code shall first be amended to use inclusive non-binary non-gender specific pronouns and nouns sorry that's a little long but we do have to include in the ballot language each of the sections that are going to be amended and since this is language that we're used to using a lot there are several of them um as the sponsor of this item the justification is really just that obviously there is no gender specified on any role of any person operating in the city government so the city manager will not necessarily be a man the City attorney will not necessarily be a man and in both of those cases there is language specific to men in the charter and in general we may have people operating in any of these roles who may be non-binary so we just want to make it streamlined and easy that there's no gender specified for any role that any person may play in our government and that also as Citizens that your gender is not the relevant factor to your engagement as a citizen and so we're being inclusive of all people um and that's why we're changing this language so first I will go ahead and open up to public comment and then I will also review for each item the comments that we received online so uh city clerk Rodriguez do we have any people present in person to speak on this item we do not we do not okay do we have any people present online to speak on this item we do not okay great then I will review the comments that we received through engage Aurora the majority of them were in support stating they agree with being more inclusive both of people who are non-binary or just that they agree in general and that they appreciate updating to be more inclusive there were a couple of questions that folks had some folks felt that this was not a priority item for them but there was a question about cost so I wanted to ask city clerk Rodriguez how much does it cost to add a ballot question to our regular Municipal elections so for the regular municipal election if it's not a Tabor question then it should not cost us any extra unless um it makes the ballot length longer so I believe it is let me look Adams County I'm sorry it's Douglas County ballot questions that exceed five inches in length when printed on the ballot would be an additional charge of three thousand dollars per inch over five inches so five inches is a pretty long length but for a regular municipal election to add ballot questions we are charged by the county per registered voter okay thank you so it sounds like in this case since we don't have particularly long questions like we might have with a Tabor question there should not be a cost to adding these still relatively short in the sense of not taking up five inches of ballot length set of questions to the ballot and that will also apply to the other items none of the other items or of a length that would add five inches to the ballot length so thank you clerk Rodriguez are there any other comments or discussion on this item okay seeing none we will go ahead and move on to the next item which is a ballot question regarding even numbered year elections and I'll go ahead and read the title for an ordinance submitting to a vote of the registered electors of the city of Aurora Colorado at the regular municipal election of November 7 2023 a proposed amendment to section 4 of Article 2 of the city Charter concerning Municipal elections to direct that regular Municipal elections shall be held in even numbered calendar years and a proposed amendment to section 5 of article 3 pertaining to terms to redefine a term of office as being three years in length while the city transitions to regular elections occurring in even numbered years and I will pass this over to council member Marcano to give a brief introduction all right thank you councilmember Combs so as council member Coons mentioned the purpose of this question would be to move our elections to even years so um currently as you all know with our odd year elections our participation is around 30 percent I think the highest I've seen over the last decade was around 35 percent for a mayoral election whereas our elections on even years are much higher participation more than double that so this is an effort that actually has a lot of bipartisan supports Nationwide to basically shift elections to coincide with general elections so this would be our State Legislative elections um Congressional elections and presidential elections what this will do is you know obviously we have a higher rate of promoter participation so it will increase the participation for our Municipal elections as well and we would not be alone in doing this if it were to Prevail at the ballot we have the city of Parker Castle Rock and Boulder here in Colorado who have their elections on even years and I am happy to report that with Parker and with Castle Rock we've had this in place for some time their turnout and participation for municipal races is just as high as it is for all of the other races on their ballot so there's not a drop off which is a concern that I think that I had my I know a lot of my colleagues did have but upon further investigation that is not taking place in these other jurisdictions so it's my hope that with this we'll have a higher rate of turnout in Aurora which will mean better representation and hopefully more attention being paid to the really important decisions that happen at City Hall thank you council member Marcano city clerk Rodriguez do we have any members pre or any community members present to speak on this item yes Patricia Dunn all right thank you Miss Dunn if you'll come up to the podium and the format I did not mention before the format of this is not the same as our typical format so there is um sure if you'd like to sit that's okay too I think as long as the camera can see you um but we will allow um questions to council members and then council members May answer the questions asked by community members now you can just give comment without questions as well but I wanted to let you know that there is some exchange permitted thank you can you hear me yes absolutely um I am just thrilled with all of these uh Charter review questions this one very much so to only have 30 participation for the city of Aurora as big as we are is quite a disappointment and I think this will absolutely help us get higher participation as far as voting is concerned great all right well thank you so much do you have any questions you want to address to the committee no okay but I did want to say that um I'm from ward 3 here in Aurora and I'm wonderfully represented by Reuben Medina I'm very very pleased with his representation and so happy to have him as our representative thank you so much Miss Dunn we appreciate you coming to speak do we have any comments from folks online and again if you're online and you wish to comment please raise your hand so that you can be acknowledged and allowed to unmute on WebEx council member we have no uh participants online waiting for this item okay great thank you so much that being said I will return to the feedback we received in engage Aurora um there was a variety of feedback there were some folks who had no opinion some folks who felt that it was a good idea that they think that it will increase transparency one person said they agree only if the date coincides with the November election so I do want to clarify that that's the intent the intent is not to have even your spring elections in addition to our November elections it's to cut down on the total number of Elections and increase turnout in that way um and some folks did say they believe people will they that we will have greater turnout um there's a question of the cost um so I will defer to clerk Rodriguez on the question of the cost of doing this yes so for even numbered election years the cost would be more expensive with Arapahoe County um just for reference in 2021 when we held our regular municipal election the cost was around seventy thousand dollars for us they only needed seven voter centers so in 2022 when we put a special question on the ballot that cost us around um three hundred thousand dollars and they needed 32 voter centers and that is because it was a midterm election and so they have a larger voter turnout and the state requires them to have more voters service centers yeah okay thank you the next question is what is the why so what's the reason for bringing this forward councilmember Marcano did you want to add anything yeah I'll just kind of reiterate a bit of what I said the main why is to increase voter participation so on engage aurora.com where I actually was able to include the some of the research that I utilized when I was looking into this proposal and it's pretty clear that wherever you do this you see tremendous increases in voter participation and most importantly the focus on local issues doesn't get lost it just brings that to the Forefront for folks who are you know more inclined already to vote on even number uh Cycles so that's the primary reason behind this and I think that that also covers another question which was what difference will it make um and then there was also the question will it save money in the long run um it sounds like it will cost more to run the elections um but because there are more voters right it doesn't cost money more money per voter it's that just more people are voting I do think that that well maybe I shouldn't opine but I would ask us to consider whether the increase of about two hundred thousand dollars more in election costs is worth the increase in voter participation um and I think those are all of the actual questions that were asked I'm going to confirm that that's true yes those are all the questions that were asked so thank you council member Marcano and thank you for those who provided comment in person as well as online so we will move to or is there any further discussion from members present okay that being said we will go ahead and move on to question 2C for an ordinance submitting to a vote of the registered electors of the city of Aurora Colorado at the regular municipal election of November 7th 2023 proposed amendments to article 3-5a of the city Charter pertaining to partisanship of Elections to specifically allow partisan elections and to article 3-7 of the city Charter pertaining to filling vacancies on Council to mandate a partisan process in those instances where the vacancy to be filled occurs in an elective office that has been vacated by an elected official elected to office on a ballot where the vacating officials partisanship had been declared and I will pass this off to council member Marcano as the sponsor all right thank you councilmember Combs um so we've had a lot lot of discussion on this committee about this question and I'll talk about some of the changes that I want to make to the language that we just discussed after I get the overview of the ordinance as it stands or the question rather as it stands so this has a twofold purpose the first is to bring I think much needed transparency to our Council races I know that these seats are non-partisan legally but in reality that has never really borne out so the idea is to make these races and these positions transparently partisan as opposed to having it be opaque as it currently is and then the second purpose was to find a way to avoid the situation that we experienced in 2021 trying to fill council member Johnston's vacancy from ever happening again by giving control of filling vacancies back to the electorate so the proposal has two different ways to do that that as it's currently written the first is if we do have partisan Council positions we could utilize the existing vacancy committee process that any party in the state legislature would utilize to fill a vacancy so Precinct committee persons whose precincts reside within our Wards would compose the vacancy committee so if anything happened to any council member those individuals who are assumed to be the most active representatives for their communities in each of their precincts would comprise that committee and they would then get to elect a replacement so the idea is that the values stay with the seat or at least approximate value stay with the seat for unaffiliated Council Members they would utilize their vacancy I'm sorry their nominating petition packet so for award candidate that's 50 members and then for an at-large candidate that would be a hundred and granted their turn around folks move out of districts or get districted out of the district for which they might have previously signed a packet from but that's still a pretty sizable chunk of folks to be to utilize for a vacancy committee the second option in here is taking the partisan vacancy process out of it every member whenever there's a vacancy they would just you the city would fall back on their nominating petition packet so as I mentioned 50 signatures for a ward council member a hundred for an at-large or mayoral candidate that would be their vacancy committee so independent of party and again the idea is to keep the values that those folks signed off on in the seats because ultimately my this comes back to my strong belief that we should never be the ones who select who serves with us that should always be um back to our residents so that's why I like the vacancy process and I'm open to either way here now one of the changes that I would like to make to this in the future would be to actually bifurcate the partisan question from the vacancy process because I do think they're both big questions and combining them might add unnecessary confusion and frankly some of the conversations that we've had councilmember Lawson being an unaffiliated member of our Council brought up some good points that she wouldn't have a partisan vacancy committee like I might as a Democrat so I like the idea of switching that process just back to our nominating packets because it would put us all on equal footing for that so all right that's all I got okay thank you councilmember Marcano um are there any individuals present to speak on this item yes Patricia Dunn okay Miss Dunn please go ahead I think this is an incredibly important issue that has needed addressing in a very very long time I like the solution for replacing the council members as well as there's no risk for the Democrats or the Republicans there's no risk that they would have there would be no unfair advantage that they would have because the unaffiliated voters are the ones that are more prevalent here in Aurora anyhow so I don't see how showing a democrat or a republican on your ballot would hurt either party or any of the three parties so I think it's a great idea thank you so much for your comments do we have any folks online wishing to comment and again we'll give a moment for folks to raise their hand in case they would like to do so no we have no one waiting thank you okay thank you so much that stated I will review the feedback that we've received online um uh some folks felt that local government should remain nonpartisan and that to the extent that people are partisan it's evident in their actions the way they vote and the way they campaign um but that people believe their council members should be concerned about what's best for the community and stay out of Highly toxic partisan politics um then some folks felt that it would that voters need to know what political parties and likely views the candidates have but they did not have an opinion on vacancy committees um they uh other folks felt that partisan interests have become involved in our Municipal elections and since Council issues are decided along party lines voters should know the parties of the candidates they're voting for um for more transparency folks felt that this would be beneficial there was another question about the why and whether or not this would be taken down to the Metro District level or other levels besides the city council level yes so I'd like to jump in on that one because there is another why that I left out of my initial explanation and that is that this also increases voter turnout and participation because it is a quick and easy way to get some information on the ballot to our electorate it's not as big of a boost in turnout as we see with even your elections but it is still yet another boost and I do want to mention that this is only addressing Council races so Metro districts and other Special Districts those are all governed by the state legislature ultimately so if they ever wanted to go in that direction that would be a question for them okay thank you um and then there are additional comments expressing concern about adding partisanship to our elections um and then uh one person who said they would like to streamline the process as long as it doesn't provide an unfair Advantage um one person said this was very important they felt that the Mandate for nonpartisan elections does not put us in the same category as other elected officials and that after the last contentious vacancy they felt establishing rules was necessary um and then the final person was simply in favor of this proposal so that's everything we have on that is there any further discussion or comment from members on this item okay seeing none we will go ahead and move on to the next item regarding full-time council members for an ordinance to submit to the qualified electors of the city of Aurora Colorado a proposed amendment to Charter or a proposal to amend Charter sections 3-1 and 3-6 concerning full-time city council and their salaries and I'll pass this on to councilmember Lawson who's the sponsor um have but number one the city is growing we cut right now we have close to 400 000 people and we're growing the land mass and what we're building is steadily growing as especially out east and in our areas um the demands for what we have as constituent Services is going to grow it already has many council members right now I know I sit on a total of seven external committees three internal plus doing constituent Services plus having a job plus you know everything that I can do to serve on the city council and I've done that for eight years luckily I've had a job where I've been able to do that I think that as the city is growing and as demand for services as what we're responsible for and it's only going to increase and also to also give opportunities to people in our city who may not have the ability to do counsel and all the things that come along with that and a job so I'm not I think being you know um being part-time yes we serve the best to our ability you know because we want to serve and that's why we get into this position but adding a full-time Council will also probably give people a choice and more people in this community um to run for office which I think when we're looking at the future and future generations and how this is how our city is going to grow and continue to expand the services and needs of our community in our neighborhoods and our residents we're going to have to think about that you know getting the people that different people on this with different ideas and a lot of people just can't do it um just because they don't have the job or the opportunity to do so so I bring this forward um because of that looking at the future of Aurora looking at currently what where the demands are right now and looking at the growth and the potential growth that we're going to be having in the city um in the backup I did had there was a discussion about the salaries which is not actually in the packet which I hope that it will be in the next packet right now currently the mayor makes 80 000. I wasn't trying to get to the point in the backup or in the committee discussion there was different variations of this is where I wanted to get the public comment of where we could go in terms of salary looking at what the current salary is in Aurora what does that look like you know based on cost of living what people make in Aurora looking at a city city manager form of government we looked at other cities that have that particular that have that particular structure and then also what they're paying their council members we also looked at a comparison of what other cities are doing in terms of other ways I mean in terms of looking at how the like or I think Arapahoe County and I'm sorry I'm trying to think this through Arapahoe County when they turned their Commissioners over what was that process and how much did they pay their council members I think that it has to be reasonable um I think that's why I'm brought this forward to actually get the opinions of the community about how they feel about a full-time Council but also to get some insight and since we have a commission as well of what that pay would look like and what is Equitable what meets our city you know how we live and where we live to make sure that people have that ability to be able to live if they want to do this work it does not have in here in this proposal it does not have a Moonlighting provision so that means if someone wants to keep their other job they can do so they have that choice to do so so there is nothing in here that says if we become a full-time Council that you have to leave your other job you can continue to work on you could continue to work whatever job you want to do and be unserved on this Council so I just want to make sure that that was clear because I know that there were some questions about oh people who work in businesses you're kind of not letting people have that opportunity you're also letting people I might have to quit my job and it might be a job that I like or there may be something I want to work at you do not have to do that is not a Moonlighting provision in here so it will not be a mandate so with that those are maybe the three main reasons I'm bringing this forward and I would you know I would really like to get the public opinion on this because I have been working on this for a couple years I'm doing a lot of research on it and I've gotten various opinions and so would like to get opinion on that and that's why I brought it forth and looking forward to some of the questions and comments from the community thank you councilmember Lawson clerk Rodriguez do we have uh folks present to speak on the side of Patricia Dunn all right thank you Miss Dunn please proceed I feel so strongly about this I showed up in person this morning I feel that the council members are taking what they're given because they're working for a living council members here in Aurora have been underpaid overworked for decades they are expected to attend meetings every Monday night used to be every other Monday night they have meetings outside of the Aurora city council they have an awful lot of responsibilities to represent us other places you you're working full time anyhow so if you could get some relief it would be fantastic where you wouldn't have to work two and three jobs but when I read this and it said we're going to change them to full time you've been full-time you've been more than full-time you worked so terribly hard for twenty thousand dollars a year and that's probably adds your car allowance and that doesn't have anything to do with uh you know mucho so I am so pleased that this is being brought up I would ask people to get involved and learn what your council members do every Friday night I get on the internet and I look up the agenda on the agenda it tells you obviously what's going on but it also shows you the backup for every item and sometimes the backup that the council members have to read are hundreds and hundreds and even sometimes thousands of pages and this is for a Monday night meeting and I don't think you get the back up until Thursday or Friday whatever it is it's too much you're overworked you're underpaid and I think this would get people out to vote because I think a lot of people understand this and they want to support the council if they want the council to support them they need to support the people that work on Council that's it thank you Miss Dunn do we have anyone online to speak no we do not okay that being stated I will review the responses that we have online there were a number of responses sorry I don't know why my phone thinks I'm talking to it [Music] um uh there are a number of responses that indicate that they would like to keep Council part-time due to the cost and wanting to direct the cost to other places including paying staff and paying for staff appreciation um as well as concerned that the money could be spent toward Public Safety um and then sorry I just have to review back over these um the question is will there's also the question of will council members be able to relate to the community if they're not working in other jobs um and um counselors should have the position because they want to serve the community it should not be full time because that possibly changes why people choose to run and then there are a number of comments in favor as well one person would like to see the salaries and would want it to be no greater than one and a half times the area of median income um other folks feel that it would increase commitment to the work and allow us to better support Aurora residents um and then that one person just wanted to hear more as a growing city we have more registered voters than the entire state of Wyoming so we should probably be full-time also to allow people of lesser means to serve and focus all their time on their Council responsibilities and there were some questions about the Moonlighting provision which you already did address that would people have to quit their other jobs or give up their businesses and so you did already mention that no according to this question that would not be required but would you like to address the other questions yes so addressing some of the other questions that were mentioned that were summarized let's start with and I'm not saying anything derogatory to our city staff I appreciate our city staff but if you look at some of the salaries of our city staff they definitely putting more I mean we do pay our city staff and I do think we do we definitely appreciate our city staff and I think that that's really important but also too when you're working another job and then you have this job I'm deaf I've done all I do everything I can do to meet all the responsibilities and answers constituents sometimes I have obligations with my other job where I just can't do it I I mean I can't it's I have to work a balance and then some people will tell me well why did you get on Council well that shouldn't stop me from wanting to get on Council if I want to serve I should be able to serve but sometimes there's there's barriers that I have to with my job or something over here that I might not be able to attend I think that it would give people the opportunity to choose if they decide to go put all the effort they can into the position you put in what you what you do right now council members I don't know I can only say what I'm doing but you put in what you put in based on what your ward and I'm at large so we got to look at things from all over the city not just an award but all over and that means that sometimes it's just like some people some constituents like where you're not there well sometimes I have to choose it's either my job where it kind of brings in my livelihood or I have to choose this and sometimes I just can't be there when I want to be and I'll you know so that's where I struggle am I really doing the public service that I have been that I'm it that the citizens or the residents want me to do am I doing it at the ability or at the level that I'm supposed to do it and that kind of is what bothers me a little bit because I have this other job um but also to address the question about the median income I would agree to that I think it has to be sustainable I'm not trying to say we're Denver you know where they're six figures but they're a city and county form of government but I do think giving people the ability where it gives them a livelihood to choose what they if they want to just do full-time counsel or if they have to do both that's based on people's situations you know so that kind of gives people that choice um when we're talking about the city salaries I understand putting money towards City but we do pay our city employees but also too how come that we we also need to invest a little bit into our council members as well I mean we're doing a lot like Miss Dunn says we do a lot we read a lot of pages we have a lot of preparation to do and I know that with that I don't think people know there's questions that come behind that we have to prep for or do research for so we can be prepared for meetings so I think that that's another reason as well and I do think the growth of the city the demands right now what we're dealing with in terms of Public Safety in terms of how we're growing in terms of what's the services that are needed are only going to increase so and then people are going to want us to do you have to do more that's what we hear you have to why are you not addressing this issue why aren't you dealing with this why aren't you you know why are we doing this I just think that at this time we have to think about the future of a war not just now with this Council or the next Council but the future of Aurora and I think that that's what's going to be important I'm not trying to it's not for what we can gain for me it's for about looking at the future and which I plan to be living in this city until the end of time but it's looking at the future of Aurora and how we're growing and how we're going to have our constituents and how our representatives are going to be look are going to be representing the city and the demands of the city and I think that was it for me I think I had basically kind of summarized everything so that was asked or supported by or addressed in the summaries that we've talked about I think I think so okay all right thank you councilmember Lawson um I appreciate you bringing this forward um you know I do know that a lot more people on Council now work than has historically been the case um and so I believe that despite having jobs and families folks have chosen to serve but it is taxing and so I would just invite us to consider that people have made that choice but but also consider who is left out who can't really make that choice um reasonably so thank you again for bringing this forward and so our next item is Charter changes suggested by the public hearing so this is an opportunity for folks to offer suggestions of additional changes that have not been included on this agenda so is there anyone present who would like to offer comment and offer any additional changes no nobody present anybody online no there is none okay we did receive some comments within the feedback on engage Aurora um so uh there was a statement that non-rehabilitated felons should still not be able to run for public office city council should not be able to circumvent the city Charter on policy I did want to clarify a couple of items there it's I assume that by non-rehabilitated people mean folks who have not served their time and that's already the case it's people who have completed whatever sentence they may have been required to complete that would be permitted not by the charter but by ordinance and that was as a result of a court order that we as a city not be in violation of the State Constitution so even though we are a home rule City we are not permitted to violate the state constitution in relation to our elections and so that is where that change came from so although the charter continues to State because the question did not pass in 2022 to remove that language from the charter so the charter continues to state that a person may not run for office if they have ever been convicted of a felony we still may not bar any person from running for public office unless they have committed one of the felonies indicated in the State Constitution that bars people from running otherwise per the State Constitution and a court order to our Council we or to the city we must permit any person to petition onto the ballot who has not been convicted of one of those felonies indicated in the state constitution so I just wanted to make sure that is clear that that's where we're at as a city on that item um another respondent indicated that the ability of the mayor to create a tie should be eliminated from the charter I think that is certainly a conversation that we can bring back to the committee um the city Charter should be reviewed and updated following every decennial census a citizen advisory committee should be established to help with this process and to make recommendations we could do that by Charter or ordinance and that's something that we also can discuss as a council I did bring uh standing committee well I brought a question about what kind of a citizen committee we may want to have a standing committee a committee that gets convened after a certain set number of years or an ad hoc committee and it was decided previously that we would do it as an ad hoc committee for this particular Charter review we can revisit that question about whether or not after every census would be something we want to put into ordinance or Charter and then don't change the charter was also stated um and then there was a really nice comment about what a wonderful City we have with Arts entrepreneurs food diversity and social economic diversity and specifically calling calling out and support the Fox Theater community centers and pools so thank you to whomever wrote that lovely comment um I did want to indicate another item that we have heard about that I would like to request City staff just give a presentation on how this would impact the city so we have heard that there may be a petition circulated to change the city from a council manager system to a strong mayor system so for the next public hearing on the 11th I would like us to hear a presentation on changing the city from a council manager form of government to a strong mere form of government I think that's a relevant and important piece of information I will also ask the other members of our body the mayor and Council if any of them are interested in attending and providing any background and feedback on that item so I think that's something we should discuss if there's a potential that it's going to be on the ballot so we will add an item on that to our our next public hearing are there any other items that folks would like to discuss for the next public hearing or to bring to the committee before we close I think what you if you could explain to the to the people who are listening and for this record what is the process after this we have the we have these hearings but I think it's important to explain what happens after this and and the process after that if you could do that oh yes thank you for the reminder um so we will have one more public hearing on April 11th at 7 pm and then the um there has been a committee appointed by Council so each council member has appointed one individual um that's a citizen committee to also review these recommendations that are coming out of the public hearing as well as provide any additional recommendations that they believe we should consider as a council so we will take all of the information then from these public hearings and from that committee back to this committee which is currently comprised of council member Lawson council member Marcano and myself we will discuss those and then send all of our discussion and recommendations forward to a study session um Council will review those items in a study session which I believe we were aiming for June at the beginning of June for the study session once they go to study session these are ordinances so we will then have two Council meetings at a first reading and a second reading of all the items that we may choose to refer to the ballot to be voted on as Charter changes and then any items that are approved by a majority of council will then go to the ballot and then be voted on at our election in November clerk Rodriguez do you have anything to add to that I do not unless you have any specific questions I think you covered everything okay thank you I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I was missing in how that process works so um thank you everyone for attending our next public hearing will be held on April 11th at 7 pm here in the council chambers and so we will be taking comment from people in person and virtually online there is also an engage Aurora page for the charter review so that's engage aurora.org you can go there there's a section on the charter review that includes all of these items that we've discussed and that we will be asking staff to also update with the salary information regarding the council full-time Council question and which will also be updated with the changes that council member Marcano indicated in separating the partisan elections and vacancy committees and again I'm going to ask that whatever presentation comes to this public hearing regarding the potential of a strong mayor versus city manager also that that information is available um on that site so that folks can provide feedback on those items as well and I will follow up with staff on what we need to do to make those updates so those are the opportunities that you have to comment as well of as of course always you may come to a city council meeting and give public comment on non-agenda items and you may contact your council members via phone or email with additional comments as well so thank you all again for attending in person and online we look forward to the continuation of the process and with that the public hearing is now closed [Music] [Music] thank you