have 701. We are going to call the White Township town board meeting for May 4th, 2026 to order. First item on the agenda is the agenda. Patrick. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. Please is the board under consent agenda. Please add items 5 H and 5 I. We have completed our hiring process for couple of public works employees. >> All right. Board of anything? >> Nothing. >> No. Move to approve the amended agenda. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> That motion passes. Item three, approval payment of the bills. You sign, Steve. >> I signed off. Move to approve payment of the bills. >> Second. All in favor? >> I I That motion passes. >> All right. Uh then we have approval of the prior minutes from April 20th. Anybody have any changes? >> I do not. >> I saw none. Move to approve the minutes from the prior meeting. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Item five, consent agenda. I think we're going to pull a couple of these. I would like to pull 5D, which is the police week proclamation. >> I would like to pull 5F and 5G. And I'm fine with everything else. >> All right. I need a motion to approve the remaining consent agenda. >> Second. >> I never made the motion. >> Oh, sorry. I'm reading. >> So moved. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All right. Motion's made a second. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. We're going to go to item consent agenda, police week proclamation. Uh the reason I want to pull this is because I think it's very important to uh the residents to understand. Uh the police have quite a tough job these days and we I would like to formally uh thank them for the services they provide. This is for the week of May 11th through the 16th of this year. Um it's actually it's a resolution recognizing that uh and I just say thank you for your service. >> Steve, anyone anything? >> No, I agree with you. >> So I need a motion to approve that. Move to approve the resolution. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. >> All right. Then we're going to discuss item F. This is the Bald Eagle Yacht Club. >> Yes. So, Mr. Chair, the only reason I'm pulling this is because of the it's it has to do with their annual certification for the work the performances they do on Bald Eagle. The insurance certificate uh is not valid as it relates to the entire season that they are requesting. and they've had this issue in the past. So, what I'm asking uh by part of this motion is that the amended certificate of liability insurance be provided to the township when their current certificate expires on June 2nd, 2026, to cover the period from June until the end of the uh season, which I believe is September. >> What is September 30th? They went with >> June 2nd to September. End of September. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they went with September 30th. I thought Patrick >> got it. Okay. Cuz the current certificate is from June of June 2nd of 2025 to June 2nd of 2026. So it will hardly cover the season. So I'll make that motion. >> I'll second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Do you want to pass that subsequent to them amending their insurance so that it is ready? >> Yes, that was my motion. Yes. All right. >> So, they'll amend it to provide that to the >> So, so we're passing it. >> We're passing >> as long as they got it. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Um, >> all right. Moving on then. Oh, I'm sorry. All in favor? I >> I. >> All right. That motion passes. All right. Then item G. This is the park 35 trail modification request. >> Yes. I wanted that pulled just for a little discussion uh by someone as to what this modification really entails u for the park 35e project. So Larry and I uh had a conversation or a phone conference with uh Andrew, the township planner, as well as the chief engineer or for Endeavor about slightly moving the trail. Um and according to the developers agreement, there's language in there where if there was a change that's considered to be min minor enough by the township engineer, um it would be allowed to happen without having to go through the rest of the approval process. Larry, do you want to talk about that a little bit for a minute? >> Yeah, the the trail um shift is uh related to the area between on the north end um where it abuts the residential homes on the north and it just shifts it just 10 ft or 10 to 20 ft uh closer to the building. So it to to the new buildings and so it uh provides a little more buffering space between the residents. >> So it has no negative effect really for the residents is a positive. >> It is really minor cuz it >> part of it is it's just uh it's on the same alignment just shifts slightly and then at its max it's maybe 10 ft. >> Okay. Was there some discussion then? I know the residents were looking at having some of the trees swapped the taller ones down. >> Preserve some trees. So, >> but but there was a talk about swapping the the taller trees to the shorter ones. >> Yeah. And this is just related to the trail location, >> but I think that was part of the trail, wasn't it, B? >> No, that was part uh on top of the uh that brick wall that that was for part of the screening for when >> But I thought they wanted the shorter trees taken off the trail and the taller trees put on top. Am I missing that? I thought that was part of their >> I don't remember that being part of it. I thought I I remember it as being um to buffer from the trucks going by was my recollection, but we can shut down. >> Okay. Well, >> we still have to work on landscaping with them and >> Oh, maybe that's what it was under, not the trail. So, >> I think that's where that was going to be discussed. This is just the trail change and I just wanted to have a little more information on it. So, I'm satisfied. revised the easements, the trail location easements, >> but I think they're just looking, they have their contractor on site to move forward with grading and we can amend the easements as we go. >> And plus too, I I still believe Endeavor is still in direct communication with the neighbors. >> I don't know that for sure. >> Yeah, I know there is communication between at least one neighbor and Endeavor >> and I'm pretty much sure that gets around the neighborhood. and Endeavor said they were doing this to be better neighbors. >> Really? >> So, based on that, uh, based on the town engineer review and recommendations, I I'll move to approve the minor trail easement modification update dated May 1, 2026. >> I'll second. >> Motion's made and seconded. All in favor? >> I. All right, that motion carries. All right, moving on. Item six, old business. This is the Three Oaks Home uh home owners association grant project. We got two more consent. Did we do those? >> Uh, we added those. >> Yeah, we added those in the pass. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Were the utility bonds you're talking? >> No, the >> Sorry. Employment. >> Employment. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Now, can we go to 6A? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Patrick, you going to cover this or Larry, you do this? >> I got it. Um this is uh following up to discussion that the board had back in November regarding a grant that's being pursued by the Three Oaks Homeowners Association to provide some um sound coverage um with trees being added along u the property there. The and the board had questions about where exactly these trees were going to go and luckily enough we have representatives here today who are going to speak to us about that. Steve and Jerry, if you guys want to come on up. Yeah, we'll just need your name and address for the record. >> Good afternoon. My name is Steve Poucher, uh 1113 Mheaggan Lane, and I am a resident. I'm also uh part of a committee, like a subcommittee of the HOA, the Three Oaks um HOA. and Jerry is also in the neighborhood and he's on the board for the HOA just in the event that there's a board question that would come up. So, back a year ago, we were just doing what we could to uh mitigate sound from 35 and Centerville. And we know it's a new neighborhood. I talked to some of the engineers with the state and I actually had a previous conversation with one of the um uh engineers because I lived across near Highway 10 and so I have a contact Natalie um what's her last name? Uh Reese. Anyway, she guided me on different ways since they're not going to build a wall, you know, a soundwall. She said, "Why don't you consider applying for a community roadside landscape uh project with a states?" And I said, "Great. How do I do that?" So, she put me in touch with uh multiple people uh at the state. There was a a person, his name was Tom Carroll. Tom and I talked to extent at this and he said you'll be best off getting support of the 100% of the HOA our HOA and getting support from the town. And so what we're looking for is you to say yeah it's a great idea let's go forward with it. So what we're doing is we are looking at putting trees along the uh the east side of the property. When I say the property, the HOA property is wetlands and there's kind of a flat vacant area behind one of the homes along Peterson and Mheaggan Lane. Currently, the the um the developers of the the the the homes put about 200 ft of trees, 150 ft of trees. What we're proposing is extending that tree line all the way to the end of the property, which would be about 400 ft. And so it would naturalize the area. It would cut down on noise. It would beautify the area. And, you know, I I I think it's a win-win for everybody. I looked at the, you know, the the concerns that you might have as far as like rightaways and um um easements and all that. We just follow whatever your, you know, your restrictions would be to put that in. And so if you approve it or support it, then we will go forward with the application to the state in order to uh to get to the next step. Now, we're getting more details on whether it's a true grant or if it's like a reimbursement plan. We'll work out those details. If we if we get your support, we'll, you know, we'll we'll try and either fund it directly or maybe you guys will help us or, you know, depending upon what what uh what actually happens. So questions, >> you know, when you're doing your trees, um, try and stay away from a monoculture because if there's a disease, it'll take everything out. So if you've got a little bit of >> easily, >> yes, >> great idea. And, you know, we don't know what kind of money we would talk about with the grant. We're probably talking starting with like a, you know, sixoot tree, >> but those sixoot trees will grow up. But I like that idea. >> The smaller ones grow faster because when you put in big ones, they have transplant shock. Yeah. >> So actually if you put in a smaller one it'll be as big as the bigger one in three years. So you're >> good point and we may work with you on you know connecting with you know arborator you know to >> University of Minnesota's got great you know they'll answer any questions you want but it's just that you know when you watch them you know like you watched all the oaks go down you watch the you know elms and stuff don't plant all the same thing. >> You know that's a great idea and the variety is nice too we don't want it to look like a row of trees. >> Yeah. >> So great idea. Other questions? >> I think you would address it because I was concerned whether if you knew where your if you were in our rightways because you know that's township property. We don't want to we want to be in the middle of that. Plus someday hopefully that road will get >> finished right >> back further. >> Well, we're just continuing that line. So those trees are already, you know, in the hopefully the right spot. So we would follow that general line >> and stay within the rightway or outside of the rightway. >> But as far as township assistance, you know, we we at at Township, we have a a tree purchase program that residents have been using. >> Yes. >> And uh staff member has been quite involved in Jamie and she might be a good resource to at least help you with some varieties on the trees and I love that some opportunities where you can purchase them. >> Yes. Um, so reach out to her in the township office. If >> you guys want to get a hold of me, I can pass you. >> Sounds good. Sounds good. >> No, I think it's a great idea. >> Well, you know, we we it's it's a win-win. We we feel and it um whether we're going to get a whole lot of sound mitigation out of it or not, but it certainly, you know, it certainly can't hurt. I I saw an article some time ago that said it takes 100 ft of landscaping to do the same thing as a soundwall. >> Okay. Interesting. >> But it might and and plus too uh I've seen a lot of future plans for the 5 acres across from you there >> and it involves cults, maybe extension of Providence coming down. So you're probably going to lose what a little bit of buffering is down by the freeway now. >> Yes. But I still don't think that would generate them to put a sound wall up either. >> Well, and we asked for soundwall and they said the freeway is there first. You're there second. We're it's it's low on our list to do it. >> Yeah. The only thing I'm concerned about is that road does meander. I don't remember exactly when we did Peterson Road 3 four years ago down at the end. I think the road right away gets really skewed. And you might be able to get Larry involved because I hate to see you go through all this, put trees in, and we come along, tear the road up, and put sewer down there, and you lose them all. >> So, it's going to be very important exactly where you spot them. And it looks like if you have to spot them out of the rightway, you're going to have you're going to be involved with either Balamo or the DNR. >> Okay. Well, we did provide a map with pretty specific area we're looking at. and and I believe that that the property for the association ends before that meandering takes place of the road, but I can work with Larry. >> Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have to if if this does really go through, you're going to have to really be accurate on exactly where the rightway is. So, >> yeah. Well, the way I envision it, once we secure a plan and then hopefully an approval, then we'll probably plot it out, lay it out and, you know, probably let you know or have Pat come out and check it out or something. >> But, um, but yeah, we we're just really looking for your support and and are excited to to move the project. One thing that we might need is water because I think the first year is going to be critical. And if you guys are watering other grasses or thing you put in, if you would drive down that road and just hit it with water, I I don't know. We we uh >> we were trying to think of how we would water it. >> We avoid u entering private property and so >> would be from the road. >> Well, yeah, >> but we're trying to m you're trying you're asking us to maintain your private property. >> And that's plan B. >> Plan B, Steve, would be uh We have irrigation system throughout the HOA. We could tap into that temporarily. We considered to water the trees for a year, >> you know, because it's on a timer. >> Also, water bags work quite well, too. >> Exactly. >> I think we'll get guidance from the university or whoever, you know. >> Well, aren't there those bags that you guys put them in the park? I thought I saw them so that they could you could fill them with >> Yeah, they are. They're alligator bags or water bags, I think they call them. >> Yeah, I've seen them, so I know exactly. options, >> but other questions or >> No, no, I don't think the town has is a problem with the actual proposal. I just like I said, I I would hate to see you get all this done and heaven forbid 3 years down the road when them trees are starting to look pretty good. >> Yeah. >> That road gets developed. It's the last dirt road in the county. >> Oh. >> So, eventually it's going to get done. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, it's good good uh you know, information for us, too. >> This is this is a good project. The board >> and we're not going to be developing anything on our side. It's all, >> you know, just uh common property. >> Yeah, I like it. It's a good It's >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Steve. >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh do we need a formal motion on this, Patrick? >> Yeah, we probably should. Originally, a motion was asked for. So, just looking for support. >> I'll make a motion to uh based on town engineer recommendation approve the Oh, that was wrong one. just support for the for the project as outlined in off of MA Three Oaks Homeowners Association project for tree planting. >> I'll second. >> Motion's made a second. All in favor? >> All right. Good luck, guys. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. >> And Pat, you have maps and other things. >> Yep, we got it. >> All right, moving on. Uh item 6B, the preventative maintenance or management plan. That you, Larry? >> Yes. Uh pavement management plan. Uh um this is a pavement management we've been looking at since uh 2018. We've been reviewing our pavement ratings and updating our plans as we go and this is the uh year to do it again. We've done it every 3 to four years. Um so I recycled this presentation. Um, we also talked at the March executive meeting with our trans uh the tenative transportation plan. Um, that's before you tonight. And in your packet, you have uh the pavement management plan itself. But I'm going to just run through some of the highlights here for you and for the viewing public. So, our pavement management plan, we we plan for maintenance activities, improvements to prolong the life of the street, trying to get every um every year out of that street that we can. Um trying to ensure residents receive the best return on investment for those costly street improvements. Uh provide safe streets, pre preserve property values, and complete the right improvement at the right time is the is the key. So, we've you've seen this before, but for the audience, uh, streets deteriorate for a number of reasons. Um, primarily drainage. Um, drainage paired with freezing and thawing cycles. Um, water gets into the cracks under the street and moves moves the materials beneath the street and breaks them up further. Certainly, the soil underneath the street is a factor. If there's poor soils, not not free draining soils, they can uh um tend to move more than um streets with say sand or a free draining um material underneath. Um some of the streets uh that were originally constructed may not have been constructed to a um a standard that we designed to today. And then traffic volumes. If there's heavier traffic volumes that can lead to damage of the road as well or heavier traffic um and time is a factor. It breaks down the pavement materials over time. Um again those weather freeze thaw cycles and if there's a lot of utility changes in the in the street um water main break for perhaps or if there's other fiber going through that they need to patch in um the street. it can lead to some uneven pavements that way too. So, the townships eval evaluates their um streets on a scale of 0 to five and it it has it includes and it's in your it's in the packet here, but that it includes a review of the general structural condition, the uniformity, and the weathering. And so we rate the streets every 3 years to determine um how they're performing. And the township average streets for all 42 miles of streets um at the moment or our 2025 review is 3.44. And I'll go through that in a second. Our overall goal is to be within 3.4 to 3.6. um we prefer like to be even better than that. But um but that's really our goal is to be between the 3.4 and 3.6. Um as a reminder, streets that are in the below that 2.2 category should be considered for larger improvements, more expensive improvements like a reconstruction or a reclamation project. And streets that are between 2.2 and 3.25, you can consider for mill and overlay. So streets generally degrade the moment you install them and it grades on or it degrades on a curve. So we start at a rating of five and over time it just slowly goes down um back down to to zero. What we're trying to do, and this is a maybe difficult to understand right away, but if you follow the red line, that's that curve I just showed you. If we do nothing to the streets, they degrade over time um perhaps 30 years and you have some really poor streets. But if we follow the blue curve and do um strategic um investment in seal coating and crack sealing, maybe do a mill and overlay at year 20 to 25 and then do that same regiment um of steel seal coats, crack sealing, and then in another 20 years do another mill and overlay. You can extend that life from that 30 years to 60 years. And by following that blue curve um it it results in um overall cost over those 60 years of uh of 30% savings. So I want to just kind of go back in time to when we we started evaluating this uh in 2018. Our overall network rating was 3.4 4 and we we invested in street improvements um between that point in time to 2021. And because of continued degradation of the system overall, we weren't keeping pace with that degradation and our rating actually went down to 3.3. Um oops, there we go. And so 2025, I'm happy to report we've trended back upward. We're uh 3.44 with our ratings in 2025. And what is notable is our our green, which is that above that 3.25, um improved by 2 miles. Our red, which is uh which is our below that 2.2 rating, um reduced by 2 miles. So, we kind of swap some green for some red. The yellow held constant. We we did improvements in the yellow, but other roadways fell into the yellow over that time. Um this is a map showing uh our uh system as a whole. It doesn't show up very well. Um it's we have now all this in our GIS system and I took a screenshot of it. It doesn't uh it doesn't really show up here very well here on on the screen, but so the green you can see is the those streets above above that 3.25. Uh the yellow is between that 2.2 and 3.25. And the red or it's kind of orang-ish here is below that 2.2. And so you can see some of the streets we have in our in our plans for this year are in that red category. they would after this year if the project moves forward go back up to uh um a five. You can see some other areas that were green last time we did the evaluation are now falling into that yellow category up in Meadow View and Johnquil area and some others as well. You can see some of the improvements we made since that time. the Mardor ponds is now all green or up at that five um mark and as as well as some of the other improvements we've done since uh 2021. This is the other the lower uh the southern part of the the township. You can see the Oakme area is starting to see some areas that are falling into yellow. Um this is all southeast area is all pretty new. So, we we looked at the entire network and um I kind of just touched on 8 currently 8 milesi of streets are between that uh between that 2.2 to 3.25. 9 miles fell below that 2.2 rating. So, we put together a plan. Um, actually before I get to that, um, when you have 42 mi of street, um, and you just take 60 years and divide it, um, by the cost for of improvements, it means that we should be spending 3.2 $3.8 million per year in today's dollars to keep up, just to keep steady with uh, that 3.44 rating overall. So, we took a look at the the streets and we are proposing a 10-year plan um to improve the streets. And you can see um it's colorcoded by year. The red is uh is um 2026. We've got the Anderly area that are out for for bids right now. We have the Bloom Road project over here um off Portland. Um, next year we have in our plan the Cottage Prospect area north of H2. Um, purple after that the Hawky area then 2029 the blue and then we have a three-year there's a lot of street uh uh mileage in the the Jonquil um Meadow View area. So that's a three-year program. I put we put that all as one color over 3 years cuz we haven't dissected where we want to start with that project yet. Um but that's a three-year program from 2030 to 2032. Um light blue the over lake area in 2023 or 2033 2034 and then this purple area in 2035. the in this year's in this um version of our our our uh pavement management plan. We anticipated inflation, which we didn't with the last time, which is part of the problem we're we had with the last plan because um inflation was um um making it so we couldn't afford all the projects we had in our original our plan from 3 years or four years ago. So, we included infl we did some calculations to determine an inflation factor for um the different types of improvements that we would do. And then we applied that to a a 10 the 10-year plan, the projects I showed on the map. And everybody can see that, right? >> Yeah, I know it's tough. Um but it it includes a rough roughly $4.4 $4 million per year on average. Some years it's uh around 3 million, other years it's uh over 5 million. Um just trying to keep the projects um to make sense with uh um organiza organizing neighborhoods for these improvements for efficiency. And so on average $4.4 4 million over and then so for 10 years it's a $44 million investment for the street network as a part of the plan. So our next steps um we're looking for town board approval of the payment management plan as well as a transportation improvement plan. Um and and that that helps us to communicate with residents when those planned street improvement projects will occur. It it uh helps with discussions when we get calls when is this project really going to happen. Um I think we've done a a better job now with uh uh inflation to really understand what and when these projects could occur occur and that we could um plan for that. Um, and then also be posted on the website for people if they are interested to to uh find when their street is going to um um be improved. And then this is kind of one of the first steps in our capital improvement planning for this cycle of our capital improvement plans. We can plug these numbers into our capital improvement plan with this year's uh capital improvement plan cycle. Um, that's all I have for you today. Um, and we'd look for any comments you might have or approval of these plans. >> So, in 10 years, we we uh get like a 20-year reprieve. Is that how it works? >> Wish it was that easy. >> Yeah, it was hopeful. >> No, it sounds like it, you know, it's well thought out. I know you've spent time very nice. Brought the sizzle, >> Steve. Well, you know, this if you look at the master plans for the township, it's you people want a nice place to live and it's necessary and the longer you kick it down the road, the worse it was. And that's why in 2018, I believe we put together the original plans to have this pavement management process. And yes, there has been some adjustments, but you know, I think it it says well for what we're facing for the general public. when you you said we got more detailed road construction. Mill and overlay in a nutshell is what? >> Yeah. So milling overlay is you we do cores of the pavement to see if the batuminous beneath the the asphalt beneath the surface is still has structural integrity. And we can mill off or grind off the top layer um an inch and a half to 2 in. And then it has enough strength but below that to place a new layer on top of that and cap off the roadway to seal it from further degradation. That's the mill and overlay. >> Yep. And then the reconstruction is taking it all out including what's under way underneath and redoing. >> Yeah. That's the more costly improvement. That's that's where we're getting into those 9 miles in the red that are um below that 2.2 to rating and those uh and that work. We've been trying to do reclamation projects where we grind and mix the asphalt existing asphalt with the base underneath to provide a new uh foundation for the roadway. Um that has saved us dollars in import and export materials. >> And the part of each one of these projects if there's infrastructure, sewer, water adjustments need to be done, that's all included in that. And we're we also decided we're doing curbon gutter. Correct. >> Yes. >> As part of these >> curbon gutter is anytime we're doing a reconstruction where either if it has curbon gutter, we're replacing parts of that curbon gutter that are damaged um or settling. Um if it doesn't have curbon gutter, we're adding that curbon gutter because as I mentioned, the the control of water is the um is the water is the enemy of the street. We're trying to drain that water to the curb, get it to uh catch basins that can get it off the street. And to be fair to all residents, this the timeline of when certain streets are being done is tentative because it can be moved backwards depending on other projects or increased costs or it could be postponed because of costs. >> Right. And that's what we did this year. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can I ask you a quick question? Um, how do you treat the alleys cuz you've got a lot of alleys, you know, especially in the older part of town. How are you treating them with regard to the curb and gutter? >> They're part of the street network. Alleys uh might be different. A lot of times alleys um can have in be inverted. >> Mhm. >> And so you have the water drain to the center and getting out. Um sometimes you you can do that with alleys, but they're evaluated just the same as any street. >> So like would you put in like maybe ribbon gutters instead of like the bump up ones? >> You could. Um, >> I mean, I'm just I'm just curious to even put in gutters just because it's so so squeezy and, you know, >> Yeah. Um, it's it's going to be a case by case bas basis. Those alleys are generally narrower. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, well, I know the board has to struggle with this every year on our budget. And when we look at 4 million a year just for roads, >> that that's a a program where we have to really educate the public because it's expensive and our levies keep going up. A lot of it's got to do with road improvements, but we also can't have pot ridden holes around the town either. I mean, it and it does appreciate or uh make your properties more valuable. it. No one wants to live in the, you know, if you want to live in the road to Beirut, you can move there, but so we take pride in our road. So, but it is a, this is a tough one to swallow, but we made that conscious decision back when we started this only because the longer we push this thing down the road, >> no pun intended, it the worse it's going to get for us. So I I I think we have a plan and like I said some years maybe we got to curtail it and push them back a little just to keep the budget within means but >> the board did that this year >> right >> and some years it's going to catch up to us where it's going to be a a tough one to swallow for a year you know going to that point he mentioned this I call it hills up there uh it's a three-year project to do it all in one year that's estimated as over $12 million well That's That's more than we could afford to bite off in one year. So, I think it's prudent to spread it out over 3 years so it stays in that four $4 million range. >> So, Oh, appreciate it. I I had this graphic last time uh 3 years ago when we um were talking um really when you're talking about bonding and uh adding to the tax levy um it's really if you if you do this consistently 10 years you have bonds that are dropping off when you're adding new ones. So it's really the first 10 years that are most painful because you're adding to the levy. But once you do these projects for 10 years, you have bonds that you started 10 years ago are dropping off while new ones are coming on. So >> Oh, that makes me feel much better though. >> Well, and always at the same interest rate. >> Yeah. Right. >> Well, one thing that township should be happy about is that our bond rating because of our fiscal responsibility is quite high. >> Very high. It's and >> below the highest you can get. So we get a really good rate when we do have to borrow money >> compared to what it could be. >> All right. Any other questions of Larair? >> Nope. >> No. >> I'd be looking for a motion to approve the payment management plan. >> I'll make a motion based on the town engineers review and recommendations. Approve the payment uh pavement management plan updated dated April 29th 26. Do we do them separately or are both of them together? and the proposed uh you know >> and the proposed transportation improvement plan. >> We can do them in one, can we? >> Yeah. Okay. >> That's my motion. >> Okay, I'll second. >> All right. Motion made a second. All in favor? >> I I And that motion passes. >> All right. Item seven is public hearing. We have none. So, we'll move to 8A. This is the Ramsey County Economic Development Authority. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. Uh if it just I wanted to point out before we get into this at all. Uh in your staff memo there is a correspondence there coming straight from Ramsey County. I it's on page 276 of 280. I want you to head down to the third paragraph of that memo. And I wanted to draw your attention immediately to the first question which I'm sure you would ask. While the legislation allowed for the creation of the Ramsey County Economic Development Authority or EDA, it outlined two important conditions, the ADA will have no taxing authority. Mr. Chair, >> you're welcome. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, every time I see this come up with any kind of Ramsey County new program, >> it it just seems like this one's really redundant. It I don't know. So basically the way I understand this and there is really no um responsibility to the township other than opting in under this resolution that's been attached. But the way I understand this is that this is mostly administrative advocacy. There's no direct dollars from this program going to businesses for economic development, but they have staff and resources to help our businesses find that funding. Uh it's not asking for money. There's no taxing authority. And in my opinion, the most important question that I asked Josh, who was the EDA director there, was uh the would the township be able to maintain its independence and the the projects that it decides to pursue? And yes, absolutely. >> Steve, questions, comments? >> No, I think he explained it. Um, so all they're looking for is support. >> Yep. Support optin as supporting this program. And then at that point you get or we get um access to like I said this administrative advocacy coming from Ramsey County. >> What B I mean do we know what the ultimate benefit I mean are our business people aware of this and were they >> is there any feedback >> that will start to come out into the community right now? They're getting as many of these communities to opt in as they can. >> Yeah. Because they have a list here of >> Yeah. all the the things that seems like they're already talking about >> and like I said to me it's just another bureaucracy loaded on top of what they already have. They have the improved capacity of business support organization. They expand technical assistance service off to businesses create the new cohort-based learning opportunities. They establish data gathering research and reporting capabilities. They provide direct support all these things they already have. Sounds like economic development. >> Maybe it's just consolidating. >> Well, this is this is the county doing its best to make this more complicated. I think why aren't they working on our property taxes? >> Okay. >> Rather see that than support this. >> Well, it seems like a lot of busy work, quite frankly. But >> yeah, but they it's busy work that the county can perform on our behalf rather than us having to do it. I'd be curious to know what the business community says, but if it helps them, I guess I'd be okay with it. >> And that's the thing. I mean, if if the if the board finds that there's no value to the township after being a member for some time, there's really no penalty for us backing out. >> Okay. >> So, I I figured it would be a good opportunity to give it a shot. >> We going to stay in touch with the businesses to see how they feel? >> Sure. Yep. I I >> seems like that'd be a way to read. you know, >> the the first attempt to communicate um I I'd like to see what the impact is with our businesses. Yes. >> Okay. >> Thanks, B. >> Mhm. >> All right. Any other questions or comments? >> Hearing none. What's board's pleasure? >> Well, how we're asked to do is is approve the resolution in support of the Ramsey County Economic Development Authority. I'll make that motion. >> I'll second it. >> Motion's made second. All in favor say I. >> I. I all opposed. I'm going to throw a nay in this one. I don't feel comfortable with anything Ramsey County does. >> Fine. And I'm shocked, but thank you. >> Actually, this is the guy I would have thought would had a problem with. >> No, it isn't. It's not one of my pet projects. >> All right, moving on. Eight. Uh me the May and June executive session changes. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. So, we did have um we thought that Chad was going to have a conflict with the May executive session on the 22nd. Sounds like he is not. He is going to be fully available for that meeting, but we are asking to move it to the old township hall uh rather than at um the administrative offices just to mix things up. So, we're going to move that to the township hall. Um we June executive session change dates. This one's a little more complicated. >> Wait, sticks with the May one for just a minute cuz I thought the chair had an issue. >> Oh, >> yeah. Because I can't make that one. >> You can't? >> That That's the Memorial Day weekend. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Do you want to do it the weekend after? That's fine. >> On the 29th. Are you going to be gone still? >> Well, the 29th would work cuz it won. Actually, how come that wasn't on the fourth? Oh, no. There's five. Five. >> Okay, let's let's do Yeah, if we can move to the 29th, that would that would help me out. Otherwise, I'm not going to be here. >> Okay, >> I can do that. >> 29th at the Old Township Hall. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um then more complicated one. So, we've got I believe it was Supervisor Rsnik who had >> Rene Ruseek who had uh conflicts on the 22nd and the 29th, right? >> That's correct. >> And so, or the 20 or the 20 or whatever it was. it was. So, we're we're looking to move it to June the 29th, which is a Monday, and we would like to have it start at 4:00 at the administrative offices. Now, that is a big change. Um, but it's still something if we post in advance, we can do that, right, Chad? >> Sure. Yes, that's correct. So, we're we're proposing that we hold it rather than a morning meeting on the would be the 26th, we would hold it on the afternoon of June 29th. >> Are you talking like 4:00? >> Yeah. >> 4 got our pillows to sleep over or bring pillows for a sleepover. >> Nobody's bringing food. He said >> I will I will treat you to dinner. >> Well, cuz normally our our exec meetings run 3 4 hours. So, >> so you want to do it at 4:00, you say? >> I believe that would be a good starting time. >> Okay. Well, this is also going to affect staff. So, >> we're fine. >> Larry, uh, Tom, >> they've all told me that it's okay. >> Okay. >> So, move it to June 29th. I can do that >> at 400 p.m. at the administrative offices. >> Okay. You also have to give Andrew a heads up depending on what's on the agenda. >> He knows too. Okay. >> Anybody I'm missing? Chad's okay with it, too. >> Yeah, I've I've approved. Yes, >> Chad's approved it. >> All right, so it'll be the 29th. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, I need a motion to change these dates. >> I'll move to change the May date of the executive meeting to the 29th at the Old Town Hall located in the township uh administrative property area. >> That will still be at 8 o'clock. >> At 8 o'clock. 8 a.m. Yep. >> And then move the June 29th or the June executive meeting to the 29th of June at 4:00. >> Congrats bringing food. >> And I'll bring food. >> Food. Oh boy. >> I'll second. >> All right. Motion's made a second. All in favor? >> I. All opposed. All right. That adds >> that takes care of our agenda. Uh we now have open time and we have some students here. >> I thought they're giving speeches. What's that? >> I thought they were giving speeches. Isn't that what you told me? >> They said they were ready. >> Yeah. >> Anyone else? Open time. Anytime. You can talk to any about anything you want. >> Speak up. >> Running dogs off leashes. Come on. There's got to be something. >> No, they've been behaving. Put up signs in the park. >> All right. >> All right. >> Going once. Going twice. All right. Now, I'm going to have to ask uh because the your students here, you might want to bring your papers up now because we're going to have to clear the room. We're going to go into close session with the attorney, which means we can't have the public involved. >> Correct. >> Well, if you guys want to come up, we can sign your papers. >> Take a quick quick recess, Mr. Chair. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> I'll take one. >> Thanks. >> Here you go. >> Thank you. >> Great speech. Pleasure. Thank you, >> Matt. Like those short ones. >> Good luck, guys. >> I see we have some residents in the back. Do you just come to just observe or? >> Yeah, we're here to observe. I'm I'm the new precinct one chair and she's actually running for 36. So >> Oh, okay. >> She's here to kind of watch and learn. And >> how do we do? >> Do we get a grade? Appreciate it. All right. Thanks everyone. >> Yep. Good night. >> Good night. >> Thanks folks. >> Was that what is she running for? >> Was it scoop or SD? She said >> I didn't get it. >> I didn't get it either. >> I don't know. We'll ask Patrick maybe he can inform us. >> I can support county things that don't cost me money. >> No session. >> Sure. Uh the purpose of this closed session is to discuss ongoing litigation regarding two assessment appeals on Allen Allen Lane. >> Anderson Andrew >> Anderson Anderson Lane. Thank you. Jeez. >> One's got to be Pat. Well, let me make sure. Yes. Okay. >> So, do we do I have to one of us? Someone has to make you have to make the motion to go into two properties on Anderson Lane. >> Anderson Lane. Yes. >> And they're just going to discuss the disputes. >> Yes. >> And then we'll go into second close session after that after. Or do we do them both at the same time? >> Do them both at the same time. So the other one are we going to talk about the >> Yes, we're going to talk about >> Okay, I'll do both at the same time. >> But we'll talk about them after we get in the nor close session first and a second. >> I didn't hear it yet. >> We haven't done it yet. Yeah. >> Oh, we can do it now. >> Yes. I'll I'll I'll move to go into close session uh to discuss two property disputes on Anderson Lane and also to discuss the uh ongoing litigation with the White Bear Lake uh fire contract. >> I'll second. >> Motion made second. All in favor? >> I 10. >> Okay. Make a motion to come out of close session where we discussed uh two property disputes on the Anderson Lane and the fire service contract with White Bear Lake. >> Second. All in >> favor say I. I. >> That motion carries. >> All right. Chad, you want to give an over a synopsis or a that the the board did provide the city the town attorney direction as to responses to the two um property owners on Anderson Lane regarding their assessment disputes and we simply the town attorney provided the board with a update on the litigation involving the fire contract dispute with White Bear Lake. All right, item 12. I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> And then I need a motion to adjurnn at 851. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> thanks folks. Everything can stay up.