GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING TO ORDER IS MONDAY APRIL 29TH 2024. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS HERE WITH US IN THE CHAMBERS AND TO EVERYONE WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU'RE ABLE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU AND WELCOME TO EVERYONE COUNCIL OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND WE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING UNDER THE INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE ITEM 2.1 UNDER INTRODUCTORY THAT'S A PROCLAMATION FOR VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD 2.2 INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEE IF IF EVERYONE IS AMENABLE TO THAT SO WE'LL ADD THAT TO AS 2.2 ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT BUSINESS WE'VE GOT SEVEN SEVEN ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER RELAX HAVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA WE HAVE NOTHING UNDER ITEM FOR OUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES SO NO HEARINGS THIS EVENING BUT UNDER ORGANIZATION OF BUSINESS WE MAKE UP FOR IT. WE'VE GOT SIX ITEMS UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND IN 5.1 WE'LL HEAR OUR 2024 ASSESSMENT REPORT FROM OUR CITY ASSESSOR MR. BOLGER IN 5.2 WE'RE GOING TO DO A BUDGET UPDATE AND DISCUSSION KICK OFF OUR DISCUSSION OF THE 2025 BUDGET ITEM 5.3 IS OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK ABOUT MORE INFORMATION FOR ON PREVAILING PERSPECTIVES IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE DISCUSSION. WE WON'T BE WE'VE GOT A DRAFT ORDINANCE IN OUR AGENDA PACKET BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE TONIGHT. THIS IS JUST A CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THIS. WE'LL HEAR A AN UPDATE ON OUR CITY OF BLOOMINGTON PARKING FACILITY NAMING AND SPONSORSHIP POLICY CHIEF ULI SEAL WILL GIVE US AN ON OUR FIRE SERVICES WHERE WE STAND THERE AND WE'LL WRAP UP THE EVENING AS WE ALWAYS DO ITEM 5.6 OR ITS CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE SO COUNCIL ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OR ANY CORRECTIONS TONIGHT TO TONIGHT'S HEARING NONE I WOULD MOVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF ITEM 2.2 THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEE. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THAT AGENDA IS THAT IN 2.1 WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK AND I'M GOING HEAD DOWN TO PODIUM WITH ONE PROCLAMATION TONIGHT AND THIS IS FOR VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK WHICH IS APRIL 29TH THROUGH MAY 6TH THIS YEAR 2024 EACH YEAR BLOOMINGTON CELEBRATES VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE ISSUE A PROCLAMATION. WE'VE GOT A RECOGNITION CEREMONY LATER THIS WEEK AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT TO ACCEPT OUR PROCLAMATION CHAD PETERS FROM UNITED CHRISTIAN ACADEMY AND HE DID OUTSTANDING WORK US EARLIER IN THE SPRING CHALLENGE COME ON UP HERE WITH ME IF YOU AND AS I READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN I'LL TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO YOU IF IT WOULD BE. OKAY. VERY GOOD PROCLAMATION FOR VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK APRIL 29TH THROUGH MAY SIX, 2024 WHEREAS CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND VOLUNTEERISM DEFINE OUR CITY EVERY DAY ACROSS BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE WELCOMING NEIGHBORS, CONNECTING PEOPLE TO RESOURCES, EMBRACING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SUPPORTING VETERANS AND MILITARY FAMILIES . AND. WHEREAS, THROUGHOUT THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE SEEN STUDENTS CLEAN UP PARKS. PROFESSIONAL LAWYERS PROVIDE PRO BONO WORK TO REMOVE DISCRIMINATORY COVENANTS FROM PROPERTY TITLES AND POLICE RESERVE OFFICERS DONATE HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF SERVICE AND ASSIST AT EVERY LARGE PUBLIC EVENT IN THE CITY. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON VOLUNTEERS ARE A ROBUST APPROXIMATELY 1000 AND THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE WITH TALENTS AND SKILLS. AND. WHEREAS VOLUNTEERISM A REINFORCING CYCLE AND AS EVERYONE WHO VOLUNTEERS WILL CAN TELL YOU, VOLUNTEERISM IS A MECHANISM OF EMPOWERMENT THROUGH THE ACQUISITION, NEW SKILLS, NETWORKING AND PROVIDING A SENSE OF PURPOSE. AND. WHEREAS WE ALL THRIVE WHEN EVERYONE PARTICIPATES AND APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF NONPROFITS, BUSINESSES, SERVICE CLUBS, COMMUNITY GROUPS AND FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE STEPPED FORWARD TO ADVANCE THE CITY'S AND INVITE OTHERS TO FIND THEIR CALL TO SERVICE. NOW THEREFORE I'M HERE TO BUSSEY DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF APRIL 29TH THROUGH MAY SIX, 2024 AS VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION WEEK IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON DATE OF THIS 29TH DAY OF APRIL 2024. AS I SAID, THIS IS AN ANNUAL THING AND THIS IS AS LONG AS I'VE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL THIS HAS BEEN A BIG IMPORTANT THING AND IT'S ACTUALLY SHORTLY I WAS APPOINTED TO THE COUNCIL THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST EVENTS THAT I WENT TO AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN VERY COOL I THOUGHT JUST TO RECOGNIZE THE COUNTLESS VOLUNTEERS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO. AND CHAD, I WANT THANK YOU AND THE FOLKS OVER AT UNITED CHRISTIAN ACADEMY FOR YOUR VOLUNTEER WORK. IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US JUST A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE SIZE OF YOUR GROUP, WHAT YOU DID AND HOW EVERYBODY PITCHED IN AND HELPED OUT. ABSOLUTELY. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR YOU COUNCILMEMBERS I JUST APPRECIATE THE GREAT HONOR IT WAS IT WAS GREAT FOR OUR SCHOOL TO BE ABLE TO SEND OVER LIKE 130 HIGH SCHOOLERS JUST DOWN TO THE ICE GARDENS DOWN BY THE ARMORY JUST KIND OF SPRUCE IT UP, CLEAN UP SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D SEEN THERE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CULTIVATE STUDENT LEADERS AT SCHOOL AND JUST KIND OF A SERVANT HEART SO WE JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS RECOGNIZE THAT JUST A GREAT HONOR FOR US. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND YOU KNOW WE'RE, LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE. I THINK NEXT YEAR WILL BE OVER AT THE EAST SIDE OF BLOOMINGTON AT THE CEDAR VALLEY CHURCH LOCATION AND LOOKING TO EXPLORE SOME WAYS TO TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THERE. OH FABULOUS. AND IF YOU COULD HAND TO THE PROCLAMATION AND EXTEND OUR THANKS TO YOU PLEASE SHARE THAT WITH THE ENTIRE STUDENT COMMUNITY THAT THAT HELPED OUT IT IT IS INVALUABLE AND WE DO RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE IT AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM COME BACK FROM WORK SO ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU SO VERY WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO IT'S WHAT YOU CALL EVERYTHING GRIM SO KIND OF TO POINT TO THIS EVENING IS THAT WALK ON ITEM THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEE MR. FAROOQUI GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS IT IS MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU A NEW MEMBER OF OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR INTERNAL SERVICES AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. I INVITE ELIZABETH TO COME FORWARD. ELIZABETH TOLLMAN COMES TO US MOST RECENTLY AS OF LAST FRIDAY FROM RAMSEY COUNTY WHERE SHE HAS BEEN CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE RAMSEY COUNTY MANAGER AND BEFORE THAT WAS THE DIRECTOR POLICY AND PLANNING AT RAMSEY COUNTY. SHE'S BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS. SHE MAY BE NEW TODAY BUT SHE IS NOT NEW TO BLOOMINGTON. SHE WAS IN THE ROLE OF ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE FROM 2015 TO 2017. BEFORE THAT SHE WAS AT HENNEPIN AS A WORKPLACE CULTURE SPECIALIST AND BEFORE THAT SHE WAS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR IN THE CITY OF BROOKLYN PARK IN ADDITION THAT ELIZABETH ALSO IS AN ATTORNEY AND DOES SOME LAWYERING ON THE SIDE IN HER PRIVATE TIME AND IS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NONPROFITS AND GIVES A LOT TO COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF WORK WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING HER HER ROLE HERE SHE WILL BE SUPERVISING OUR IT DEPARTMENT OR HUMAN RESOURCES DIVISION THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF RACIAL EQUITY INCLUSION AND BELONGING OR COMMUNITY OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT DIVISION AND THE OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. SO VERY EXCITED TO WELCOME ELIZABETH BACK. SHE SHE TELLS ME THAT SHE'S VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE. SO IT'S THE ONLY TIME I WILL EVER SPEAK FOR HER JUST BECAUSE I'M EXCITED SHE'S EXCITED AND I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE HER TO YOU TODAY. WELL, MR. HOLZMAN, WELCOME OR I SHOULD SAY WELCOME BACK. AND MR. ROONEY IS RIGHT. HE STOLE ALL YOURHUNDER RIGHT THERE. HE TOOK IT ALL FROM YOU. BUT WELCOME BACK WE'RE WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. WHAT BROUGHT YOU BACK TO BLOOMINGTON? HI, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK. THE MISSION, THE VISION THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK UNDER THIS NEW STRUCTURE INTERNAL SERVICES AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IS REALLY IMPORTANT JUST LOOKING AT YOUR MISSION OF BLOOMINGTON TOGETHER AND TOMORROW THAT THOSE THREE WORDS JUST SEE ITSELF CULTIVATING AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND I DEFINE PEOPLE AS ONLY PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO STAFF WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AS. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AROUND SYSTEMS TRANSFORMATION AND MY ROLE IN RAMSEY COUNTY AS A POLICY PLANNING DIRECTOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF. I DID A LOT OF THAT WORK WHERE WE DECONSTRUCT AND RECONSTRUCT A POLICY PRACTICE, A CULTURE, A PROCEDURE IN ADVANCING RACIAL AND HEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY. AS A POLICY DIRECTOR I WAS OUR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS OUR RACIAL AND HEALTH EQUITY COMMUNICATORS ARE PLANNING AND POLICY ANALYST AS AND AS WELL AS OUR GENERAL POLICY TEAM AS WELL. I'M ALSO EXCITABLE CONNECTING AND BUILDING A TEAM WITHIN NEW STRUCTURE AS WELL AND I REALLY BELIEVE IN STRENGTH LEAN COMMUNITY WELL WALES INTERNAL SERVICES WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC FACING AS WELL SO PERFORMANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS ALSO ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AS WELL. WHILE WE EMBRACE DIVERSITY AND STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY WELLBEING . SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE. THANKS FOR THE WELCOME. I'LL JUST SHARE MY FIRST STAY HERE STARTED RIGHT EARLY AT 8:00 AND I WOULD SAY A THIRD MY EMAIL WAS FROM STAFF WHO HAVE ME BACK OR HAVE SO IT'S VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT WELCOMING FEEL FEELS LIKE HIGH SCHOOL AGAIN RIGHT WHERE YOU JUST KIND OF REMEMBER WHERE THE ROOMS ARE AND GOING TO THE LOCKER ROOMS BUT VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE JUST THREE QUICK FUN FACTS OF A TEN YEAR OLD SON THAT I CO-PARENT WITH. HE GOES TO SCHOOL IN SAINT PAUL HORACE MANN I LOVE TO TRAVEL BUT I'M NOT JUST ANY TRIAL. I'M A FRUGAL AND THRIFTY. SO IF YOU EVER WANT TIPS HIT ME UP THEN I LIVE IN EAGAN AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BIKING TO WORK MORE FREQUENTLY ONCE THE WEATHER GETS WARMER SO THANKS FOR BEING OR TNKS FOR ALLOWING TO COME BACK. WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE YOU BACK AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU AND I HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SAY HELLO. I THINK THAT ARE LISTENING CERTAINLY HAD A CHANCE TO SAY HELLO TO THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OR HELLO AGAIN TO SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT YOU WORKED WITH IN THE PAST BUT VERY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD AND. BOLDUAN THANKS. THANKS ADAM. THREE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT BUSINESS AND COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS YOU HAVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I MOVED TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 3.2 TO 3.7 AS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WAS TO HOLD 3.1 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA 3.2 THROUGH 3.7 NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND 3.1 COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH TWO QUICK THINGS MAYOR APPRECIATE THE TIME ONE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO JUST A QUESTION WHY THIS WASN'T IN THE REGULAR BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO COMING OUT OF STRATEGIC PRIORITIES? AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS THERE'S A LIST OF ACTIVITIES AND THIS IS MORE OF JUST A REQUEST THAT WE ENGAGE WITH VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW NEW RESIDENTS TO KNOW WHERE THEY CAN ENGAGE, WHETHER IT BE OASIS VIBE OR OR WHEREVER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN THERE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THIS PROGRAM. MR. DRAGHI, YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AGAIN REGARDING HOW SOME THINGS GET DETAILED IN STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND HOW SOME THINGS BUILT INTO OUR OPERATING BUDGET ESPECIALLY THE ONE TIME PROJECTS THAT ARE RELATED TO BEAUTY ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE PROGRAMING WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFICALLY ADVANCIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT'S A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE. IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO BE REPEATED AN EVERY YEAR BASIS IN THIS FIT THAT CATEGORIZATION TO YOUR POINT ABOUT NONPROFITS IN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WE ARE REACHING OUT TO THOSE AND INCLUDING THEM IN PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW ALL OF THE ALL OF THE RESOURCES AND ASSETS ARE AT THEIR DISPOSAL IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH THANK YOU CITY MANAGER OF A BREWERY JUST ONE QUICK THING THIS SOMETHING THAT I DO THINK IS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION FOR ONGOING NOT JUST A ONE TIME IN TERMS OF WELCOMING PEOPLE I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT IN 2025 TO LET MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS WITH MS. JACKSON AND AS WE START GETTING INTO OUR BUDGET WORK FOR THE COMING YEAR WILL WILL SHARE THAT COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO QUESTION THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR NOT A QUESTION JUST A COMMENT ON THAT. FIRST OF I MAYBE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I THOUGHT THAT THIS PARTICULAR IN THIS AMOUNT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO KIND OF STAND UP THE PROGRAM, NOT TO KEEP IT OPERATIONAL. SO I THINK OPERATIONALLY IT WILL STAY GOING RIGHT. I THAT WAS THE IDEA OKAY YEAH. I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME STUFF ABOUT LIKE GETTING ALL THE PAPERWORK LIKE THE PRINT OUTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT NEEDED SOME FUNDING IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY. THE OTHER COMMENT HAD MAKE IS I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T I ATTENDED A WELCOME TO BLOOMINGTON EVENT AT NINE MILE A COUPLE SATURDAYS AGO IT IS GREAT AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY WORKS REALLY WELL WHEN A COUNCILMEMBER IS THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A SECTION OF THEIR INTRODUCTORY ITEMS THAT ARE RELATED TO HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT I ACTUALLY GOT THE CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY ASKED ME ON THE FLY BUT IF BUT IT WAS FUN RIGHT AND AND I ENJOYED IT AND I GOT TO SAY HELLO TO PEOPLE IN MY PATCH AND AND EVERYTHING YOU KNOW MAYBE IF I CAN PUT IT ON Y'ALL'S CALENDAR AND IF YOU CAN SHOW UP YOU CAN SHOW UP BUT LIKE IT WAS REALLY WORTH DOING AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE WERE MEMBERS OF VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS FAITH BASED GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL SHOWING UP AS WELL AS THE NEW THE NEW NEIGHBORS. SO I THINK THAT'S IT'S CATCHING ON. YEAH. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR THE ENDORSEMENT COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COMMENTS IF NOT COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS LOOK FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 3.1 COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I JUST HAVE A COMMENT I DO LIKE THIS I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I KIND OF HESITATE TO SAY WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY BUT I WILL UNFORTUNATELY I WILL NOT SUPPORT THESE JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED IT AND I HAVE GOTTEN NUMEROUS EMAILS SAYING I DO SUPPORTED PERSONAL LEAVE BUT AGAIN I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME AND SO THAT SAID THANK YOU VERY GOOD THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND MOVE 3.1 AGAIN MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO TO ACCEPT ITEM 3.1 ON A CONSENT BUSINESS THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRY SIX ONE WITH COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS VOTING IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR US THIS EVENING. AS I MENTIONED, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE AGENDA WE HAVE NOTHING UNDER ITEM FOR OUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES THIS EVENING AND ON TO ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS NUMBER FIVE WE START WITH ITEM 5.1 OUR 2024 ASSESSMENT REPORT AND MR. BOULDER A CITY ASSESSOR HERE CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR ALREADY . OH YEAH. OH YEAH EXACTLY. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. I HAVE CLICKER. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR HAVING. I'M TIM BOLGER. I'M THE CITY ASSESSOR. I'M HERE TO SHARE THE 2024 ASSESSMENT REPORT PRESENTATION. SO WE PUBLISHED OUR ASSESSMENT REPORT ON APRIL 3RD THIS YEAR. IT'S OUT ON OUR WEBSITE. THERE'S ABOUT 25 PAGES OF DATA OUT THERE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL PARTNERS ACCESS THAT USE THAT IT'S HELPFUL TOOL I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT HERE TONIGHT BUT I DECIDED I'D ADD MY TIME BEST WE USE TO GO OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPACTFUL FOR THE COUNCIL AND OUR RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO IF WE CAN MOVE IT . OKAY, WE'RE LEARNING THE TRICK RIGHT. WE'RE BACK ONLINE SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE ASSESSOR, THE ASSESSMENT TIMELINE, MARKET UPDATES HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON HOMESTEAD MARKET VALUE EXCLUSION UPDATES FROM THE RECENT TAX BILL AND THEN THE PROPERTY TAX REFUND AND OTHER PROGRAMS. SO WHAT DOES THE ASSESSOR DO? WELL, PRIMARILY OUR JOB IS TO VALUE AND CLASSIFY PROPERTY AS OF JANUARY 2ND EACH YEAR AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CYCLICAL TASKS AND STATUTE DRIVEN TASKS THAT GO INTO THAT AND ALL OF THESE THINGS LEAD UP TO THE DATA THAT GOES INTO OUR ASSESSMENT THAT'S PUT OUT JANUARY 2ND SO THE QUINTILE IS OUR LARGEST OF THESE TASKS. THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT 20% OF THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY EACH YEAR IN DETAIL WE USE MANY DIFFERENT AERIAL IMAGERY STREET LEVEL IMAGERY PERMITTING AS WELL AS MAILING LETTERS TO ALL 6200 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PLAN FOR THAT YEAR. AND SO WE REQUEST INTERIOR INSPECTIONS. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GRANTED THOSE INSPECTION BUT IF SOMEONE'S UNWILLING TO HAVE US IN THEIR HOME WE ASK THAT THEY FILL OUT A OR RESPOND VIA EMAIL OR PHONE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS THEIR HOME. AFTER THAT WE REVIEW ALL THE PERMITS THAT ARE PULLED THE CITY THERE'S ABOUT 5000 A YEAR. WE LOOK AT ABOUT 1800 THAT POTENTIALLY EXCUSE ME POTENTIAL TO ADD VALUE TO PROPERTY. SO IF YOU GET A WATER HEATER REPLACEMENT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT SEND SOMEONE THERE TO LOOK AT IT. BUT IF YOU'RE FINISHING A BASEMENT ADDING AN ADDITION WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AND ADD THE VALUE TO THE ASSESSMENT RULE. WE ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE SALES THAT TRANSACT IN THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TYPICALLY WE GET ABOUT 1500 THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN FAR LESS THAT THIS LAST YEAR WE SAW ABOUT 700 QUALIFIED SALES AND AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS EVERY SALE THAT TRANSACT WE VERIFY THE DETAILS IT DETERMINE IF IT'S AN ARM'S LENGTH TRANSACTION OR NOT AND SEE IF WE SHOULD BE USING IT FOR OUR VALUATION MODELS. SO WE HAD ABOUT 750 THIS YEAR. TYPICAL YEARS IS ABOUT 1250 1300 THEN WE MANAGE APPEALS ALL LEVELS SO SOMEONE INFORMALLY CALLS US TO APPEAL THEIR VALUE. WE TALK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. WE ALSO DO ANALYSIS AND CASEWORK FOR LOCAL AND COUNTY BOARDS AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE HANDLE ABOUT 100 TAX COURT PETITIONS EACH YEAR. THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL APARTMENT PROPERTIES AND ARE TYPICALLY HANDLED ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN FINALLY WE PROVIDE DATA TO INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL PARTNERS LIKE THIS ASSESSMENT REPORT HERE THIS PRESENTATION WE ALSO PRESENT TO TRADE GROUPS WE ASSIST SUPPORT PLANNING HRA FINANCE WITH DATA REQUESTS AND ANALYSIS AS WELL. SO THIS IS THE ASSESSMENT TIMELINE. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. I'M GOING TO SWITCH THE SLIDE OUT NEXT YEAR BUT WHAT'S FOR THIS GROUP ARE THE THREE ORANGE BOXES UP THERE. SO THAT FIRST BOX IS OCTOBER 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH. THAT'S 12 MONTHS OF SALES WE USE TO IMPACT OUR 2024 ASSESSED VALUE THAT WAS SET ON JANUARY 2ND. THAT'S THE MIDDLE BOX THE LAST BOX OVER THERE IS OUR PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT MAILING MARCH OF 25. SO AS YOU CAN SEE OCTOBER SALES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN OCTOBER OF 2022 ARE IMPACTING THE TAXES YOU'RE PAYING IN OCTOBER OF 2025 WHEN YOU MAKE THAT FINAL TAX PAYMENT A VERY LONG CYCLE THERE'S A VERY, VERY MANY THINGS THAT GO ON IN BETWEEN THOSE DATES. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE STILL DON'T TEND TO YOUR ASSESSED VALUE AND THEN YOU PAY TAXES ON IT IMMEDIATELY. THERE'S A DELAY BY A YEAR THERE SO VALUATION I WENT THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL YEAR THIS YEAR I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS. SO OUR OFFICE SPENDS ABOUT THREE MONTHS PUTTING THE VALUATION TOGETHER THE ASSESSMENT WE WE REVIEW ALL THE SALES PERMITS QUINTILE OF THESE IS DATA WE TAKE IN TO SPIT OUT THAT ASSESSMENT WE THEN RUN EVERYTHING STRATIFIED BY EVERY WHICH WAY AS HIGH AS PROPERTY TYPE AND THEN AGGREGATE BY QUALITY LOCATION, AGE, SIZE, EVERYTHING CAN THINK OF AND THEN AFTER WE SET OUR ASSESSMENT WE RUN IT THROUGH A GAMUT OF INTERNAL CHECKS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S EQUITABLE AND IT'S FAIR AFTER THAT WE SUBMIT IT TO HENNEPIN COUNTY WHO DOES THE SAME THING . THEY RUN THROUGH ALL OF THEIR CHECKS TO ENSURE WE SET AN EQUITABLE AND AFTER THAT THEY MAKE SURE IT'S EQUITABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING. THEN THAT GETS SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WHO ALSO RUNS CHECKS ON THE ASSESSMENT. SO I THINK THE POINT I'M GETTING AT IS HAVE A VERY RELIABLE ACCURATE ACCURATE ASSESSMENT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE WHICH WHICH I'LL KIND OF SHOW THE NEXT SLIDE HERE AS I TALK ABOUT APPEALS. SO OUR VALUE NOTICES WERE MAILED ON MARCH 8TH THIS YEAR WE HELD OUR LOCAL BOARD LAST WEDNESDAY ON THE 24TH I PUSHED THE BOARD DATE BACK ONE WEEK SO WE'D HAVE MORE TIME TO SPEAK TO RESIDENTS INFORMALLY AND ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS IN THAT TIME FRAME. SIX WEEKS WE RECEIVED 238 PHONE CALLS. 92 OF THEM TURNED INTO APPEALS AND 73 RECEIVED A VALUE REDUCTION. SO OF THE 31,000 VALUE NOTICES WE SENT THIS PROCESS RESULTED IN 73 VALUE REDUCTIONS. SO AGAIN JUST POINTING TO THE RELIABILITY OF OUR ASSESSMENTS IF IT'S NOT CORRECT WE WANT TO FIX IT WE GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. BUT IN MOST CASES THESE PROPERTIES HAVEN'T INSPECTED INTERNALLY IN YEARS POSSIBLY NEVER AND THAT'S THAT'S DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER LETS US IN AND THIS PROCESS IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE GET AN INSPECTION SO WE HANDLE THE LOCAL BOARD APPEALS. WE ALSO DO THE ANALYSIS FOR THE COUNTY BOARD. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE COUNTY BOARD ITSELF ACTS ON THOSE APPEALS. IF IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE MEETING THAT MEETING WILL BE JUNE 17TH THIS YEAR. THEN ON TOP OF THAT AS I MENTIONED WE HANDLE MINNESOTA TAX COURT CASES. THERE'S ROUGHLY 100 OF THOSE WE RECEIVE IN OUR OFFICE EACH YEAR PROBABLY TAKES UP ABOUT 40% OF OUR COMMERCIAL TEAMS ALLOCATION OF TIME WORKING THROUGH THESE CASES. SO NOW LET'S DOVE INTO THE ACTUAL STATISTICS ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE YOUR PROPERTY TYPE GROUP ON THE FAR RIGHT AND YOU HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE NEXT TO THAT YOU HAVE THE CHANGE PERCENT CHANGE BETWEEN 23 AND 24 AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. SO FROM A RESIDENTIAL OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS UP 0.1%, CONDOS DOWN 4.1, TOWNHOMES DOWN 4.1.2. IN ESSENCE OUR RESIDENTIAL WAS FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR YOU GET DOWN TO COMMERCIAL WE'RE UP 2.2% YEAR OVER YEAR AND I'LL BREAK THAT OUT FURTHER ON A LATER SLIDE INDUSTRIALS UP 7.3 AND APARTMENTS ARE UP 2.1 OF THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION ABOUT IS ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN THERE YOU'LL SEE 125 MILLION A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VALUE WE WENT FROM 2.22 BILLION TO 2.26 BILLION SO ABOUT 46 BILLION AN INCREASE. THE MARKET DRIVEN VALUE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT A -4% AND IT'S STRICTLY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS OUR OVERALL CITY VALUATION HIGHER THAN THE PRIOR YEAR. SO OVERALL WE GAINED ABOUT A LITTLE SHY OF OR A LITTLE OVER 200 MILLION AND TOTAL VALUE THE CITY FOR 163 OF THAT CONTRIBUTED NEW CONSTRUCTION PRETTY FLAT YEAR OVERALL I DID WANT TO MENTION QUICKLY THAT WHEN YOU COUNT THIS ALL OUT THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND APARTMENTS ARE ABOUT 42% OF THE VALUE IN THE CITY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A TAX CAPACITY LENS IT'S ABOUT 54% OF OUR ACTUAL NET TAX CAPACITY AS IS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL APARTMENTS SO IT OUTWEIGHS OUR RESIDENTIAL FOR THE TAXES PAID STORYCORPS VALUES PROPERTY TYPE THIS I'M BRIEFLY GOING TO SPEAK ON THE BLUE IS ORANGE IS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RED IS APARTMENT AND THE ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ON THIS SLIDE IS IN LOOKING AT THIS TEN YEAR LOOK BACK WE WERE JUST UNDER 12,000,000,020 15. OUR CITY IS NOW JUST TOUCH UNDER 18 BILLION SO ABOUT A 50% INCREASE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT A LOT OF MARKET APPRECIATION. WELL, WE'LL DOVE INTO RESIDENTIAL STATISTICS HERE. THIS GRAPHIC OUR MEDN VALUE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SO THERE'S NO CONDOS, TOWNHOMES IN THIS CALCULATION IT'S 361,300 THIS YEAR. AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME OUR MEDIAN HAS DECREASED YEAR OVER YEAR SINCE 2013, ALBEIT IT'S ONLY $300 BUT IT'S JUST SHOWING THE MARKET HAS FLATTENED OUT CONSIDERABLY FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THIS PIE CHART DEMONSTRATES THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL LIVING UNITS BY SO 50% OF OUR UNITS ARE SINGLE FAMILY 32.5 ARE APARTMENT SO ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL LIVING UNITS IN THE CITY ARE APARTMENTS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 9% CONDO, 5% TOWNHOMES NOW HISTORICAL RATES I SHARED THIS LAST YEAR SORRY 1/2 HERE SPEAKING QUICK NEED A LITTLE WATER SO IS A THREE YEAR LOOK BACK FREDDIE MAC PUTS US OUT OF INTEREST AND WHEN WE SPOKE LAST YEAR JANUARY OF 2022 INTEREST RATES WERE RIGHT ABOUT 3% AND THEN JANUARY OF 23 WAS 6.4%. SO FOR OUR LAST YEAR'S ASSESSMENT RATES HAD DOUBLED IN A YEAR OVER DOUBLED AND MOST OF THAT HAPPENED IN THE BACK HALF OF THE YEAR. NOW WE'RE AT 6.6 SO WE'RE ONLY UP 20 BASIS POINTS YEAR OVER YEAR. SO THERE'S SOME VARIABILITY OF THE INTEREST RATES OVER THIS LAST YEAR BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH FLAT AND IT'S KIND OF IMPACTING THE MARKET. PEOPLE THAT WERE WAITING FOR INTEREST RATES TO CHANGE LAST YEAR ARE AREN'T AS WAITING ANYMORE. THEY'RE REALIZING THIS IS THE NEW NORM. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE 3% INTEREST RATES ANYTIME SOON IF EVER WE'D BE LUCKY TO GET DOWN IN THE FIVES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. THE FED ORIGINALLY EARMARKED FOR RATE CUTS FOR THIS YEAR AND WE'LL BE LUCKY TO GET ONE THIS YEAR HONESTLY. SO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WAITING TO SELL THEIR HOME AND MOVE UP THEY'VE DECIDED HEY I CAN SELL MY HOME IS WHAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IF I CAN AFFORD IT AND IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE LOCKED IN EFFECT WHERE 90% OF ALL MORTGAGES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE A 5% OR LESS RATE AND ABOUT 65% OR 4% OR LESS. AND SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SITTING THE SIDELINES WAITING FOR RATES TO COME BACK DOWN. IF YOU HAVE A 2.75 RATE, ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO PAY 7% TO GET AN EXTRA BEDROOM IN YOUR HOME? AND NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL AND MOST PEOPLE WON'T BUT AT LEAST SOME . SO THAT TIES INTO THIS VOLUME SLIDE HERE PUT OUT BY MINNEAPOLIS AREA OF REALTORS. THIS IS A JANUARY LOOK BACK 23 VERSUS 24 AND OUR OUR NEW LISTINGS ARE UP 43%. IT'S I MEAN IT'S NOT A LOT THEY WENT FROM 42 TO 60 THIS IS FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY CLOSED SALES WENT UP 23% SO 39 TO 48. AND SO AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT INTEREST RATES MIGHT COME BACK DOWN REALIZING AREN'T AND NOW THEY'RE MORE WILLING TO LOOK AT A NEW HOME. SO THIS SLIDE IS OF MOST IMPORTANCE TO PERHAPS THIS GROUP AND RESIDENTS THE STRATIFICATION OF VALUE OF HOMES AND PERCENT CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE LEFT THOSE ARE THE STRATIFICATION OF VALUE. THE FAR RIGHT IS PERCENT CHANGE AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO COLUMNS THAT ARE REALLY RELEVANT HERE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 100 K TO 350 K EVERYTHING'S GOING UP ALL OF THOSE STRATIFICATION AND THEN FROM 350 TO 800 ALL OF THOSE STRATIFICATION LINES ARE GOING DOWN AND THEN YOU HIT THE 800 TO 1000000 AND THE MILLION PLUS THOSE ARE UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT THERE'S A LACK OF SUPPLY AND INCREASED DEMAND FOR ENTRY LEVEL AND THE PEOPLE IN ENTRY LEVEL HOMES AREN'T MOVING TO THEIR NEXT IN THAT 350 TO 800 K RANGE INSTEAD STAYING IN THEIR ENTRY LEVEL HOMES THEN YOU ALSO SEE 800 K PLUS THESE LUXURY HOMES. INTEREST RATES DON'T IMPACT THESE BUYERS AS MUCH. THEY'RE PAYING OUT CASH OR THEY'RE PUTTING MORE THAN 20% DOWN AND THEY REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PAYMENT AS MUCH AS SOME OF THE ENTRY LEVEL BUYERS. SO YOU KNOW, SEEING THOSE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES GO UP 6.8% WHEN RESIDENTIAL AND IN GENERAL IS FLAT IS PRETTY EYE CATCHING. I WILL SWITCH INTO APARTMENTS HERE QUICK SO THERE'S A TEN YEAR LOOK AND THE ONLY THING I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS 2015 WE HAD $900 MILLION IN APARTMENT VALUE IN THE CITY . WE'RE UP TO 2.25 BILLION. A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. IF YOU SWITCH OVER TO THE PIE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT, THE PINK IS 2020 TO 2023. SO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS 10% OF OUR UNITS IN EXISTENCE WERE BUILT AND THEN YOU LOOK AT 2010 TO 2019 AND THAT DECADE ANOTHER 20 SO 30% OF ALL OF OUR UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST 14 YEARS AND WHERE WE'RE TROUBLING FOR OUTCOMES IS IS THAT 1990 TO 1999 AND 2000 TO 2009 TOTAL OF 5.7% OF OUR UNITS WERE BUILT IN THOSE TWO DECADES. SO WE WERE SEVERELY UNDERSUPPLIED OUR CATCHING UP WE'RE BUILDING QUITE A BIT WHAT WE'RE TO SEE IS ALL OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS GET GET LEASED UP IMMEDIATELY AND SOME OF THESE LUXURY UNITS ARE HAVING A LONGER ABSORPTION TIME. THERE'S LOT OF UNITS THAT HAVE COME ONLINE IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. SO THERE'S THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT OF NEEDED FOR THE CLASS C APARTMENTS AND LOW INCOME APARTMENTS IN OUR CITY AND THEN SWITCHING TO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ON THE LEFT WE'VE GOT OUR PROPERTY TYPE AGGREGATIONS ON. THE FAR RIGHT IS A NET CHANGE AND SO THIS DIFFERS. THIS IS TAKING OUR GROSS CHANGE MINUS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION TO SHOW THE TRUE MARKET IMPACT OF EACH OF THESE SEGMENTS AND YOU'LL NOTICE ALL OF THESE SEGMENTS OF INCREASED IN VALUE ASIDE FROM OFFICE YEAR OVER YEAR I JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT HOSPITALITY THAT'S UP 5.2% WHERE WE'RE AT OR ABOVE 2019 VALUES ON MOST OF OUR PROPERTIES AND THEN INDUSTRIAL IS UP 6.7% IT'S A DEPARTURE FROM LAST YEAR'S 17% BUT IT'S VERY HOT MARKET STILL AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OFFICE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF NEWS OUT THERE. THERE'S FORECLOSURES, THERE'S CONVERSIONS THERE'S WORK FROM HOME AND NO ONE'S CALLING ANYONE BACK. SO I JUST WANTED TO TO KIND OF POINT OUT THAT WE ARE NOT THE DOWNTOWN CBD OFFICE MARKET. OUR VALUES WENT DOWN 2.1%. MINNEAPOLIS WE'RE SHAVING OFF 15 20% OFF THEIR OFFICE TOWERS. THERE'S A FLIGHT TO QUALITY WE HAVE A LOT OF CLASS-A OFFICE. WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES. I RATHER WORK IN THE SUBURB WITH FREE PARKING RATHER THAN PAY FOR PARKING AND WALK THROUGH A SKYWAY THAT ISN'T FULLY AMENITIES RESTAURANTS. SO WE'RE NOT THERE YET I DON'T THINK SEEN THE BOTTOM WHAT WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR SUBLEASE AND SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE STILL PAYING THE LEASES BUT THE TENANT HAS MOVED OUT AND SO EVENTUALLY THOSE WILL TURN INTO TWO VACANCIES UNLESS THEY GET FILLED. WE ALSO HAVE QUITE A FEW OFFICE LOANS COMING TO MATURITY OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS SOME BANKS CHOOSE TO FORECLOSE, SOME WILL EXTEND THE LOAN, SOME WILL REFINANCE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO SEE HOW THAT ALL SHAKES OUT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE MARKET. BUT AGAIN IT'S MY MY OPINION WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BOTTOM OF IT YET BUT I COULD BE WRONG ANYWAY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE JUST A TEN YEAR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL MARKET VALUE HISTORY AND WHAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE IS JUST OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS WE'VE ADDED ABOUT 25% IN VALUE TO THESE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL VALUES AND THEN BRIEFLY TO TOUCH ON PROPERTY TAX WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE DATES BUT OUR ASSESSMENT DATE IS JANUARY 2ND PRELIMINARY LEVY SET AND SEPTEMBER TRUTH AND TAXATION MEETING NOVEMBER OR I THINK IT'S DECEMBER 2ND THIS YEAR BUT THEN THE FINAL LEVY IS SET AND CERTIFIED IN DECEMBER. SO THE REASON I BRING THESE DATES UP IS OUR ASSESSMENT SET INDEPENDENT OF THE LEVY WHETHER WE INCREASE OR DECREASE ASSESSED VALUES DOESN'T DETERMINE HOW MUCH TAX THE CITY SCHOOL DISTRICTS WATERSHED OR COUNTY COLLECTS. SO THE COLLECTION IS BASED ON THE LEVY OR CLASSIFICATION AND VALUATION OF THE PROPERTY DETERMINES HOW THOSE TAXES ARE ALLOCATED WHO PAYS WHAT SO IT'S A COMMON MISCONCEPTION AND THERE ARE STATES THAT DO A MILL RATE WHERE THEY COLLECT MORE TAX IF THEY HAVE MORE WE DO NOT DO THAT. THOSE ARE SEPARATE PROCESSES AND THE EXCLUSION. SO IN OUR PROPERTY TAX BILL PASSED LAST THEY CHANGED THE EXCLUSION LIMIT FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I BELIEVE IT TURNED TO AN EXCLUSION SO EFFECTIVE FOR THIS ASSESSMENT PERIOD 2025 IT CHANGED FROM 413 8 TO 517 TO AND IN OUR CITY WE HAVE ABOUT 4500 PROPERTIES THAT WILL NOW BE ELIGIBLE FOR HOMESTEAD EXCLUSION WERE NOT IN PRIOR YEARS AND AS I MENTIONED ON THE VALUATION SLIDE THAT SEGMENT OF PROPERTY IS YOU KNOW WENT DOWN I THINK POINT 9%. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE VALUING PROPERTIES OUT OF THAT EXCLUSION LEVEL THE MAXIMUM EXCLUSION CHANGED FROM 30400 TO 38000 AS WELL. SO THOSE THAT WERE RECEIVING AN EXCLUSION ALREADY OR RECEIVED LARGER EXCLUSIONS THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. WE'VE TRYING TO GET GET NOTES OUT TO EVERYONE. SO IT'S A BIG CHANGE AND IT WILL IMPACT TAXES AND PRIMARILY BENEFIT OF THOSE ENTRY LEVEL HOMES. AND I WANTED TO END ON REFUNDS AND PROGRAMS. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IN SPEAKING WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY THEY HAVEN'T RUN THE STATISTICS LATELY BUT BACK IN 2019 THEY CALCULATED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY THOUGHT WAS LEFT ON THE TABLE FROM PROPERTY TAX REFUNDS THAT EITHER WEREN'T FILED OR HOMES THAT THAT QUALIFIED FOR HOMESTEAD THAT FIRST NEEDED TO DO THAT AND THEN FILE THEY CALCULATE THAT ABOUT $60 MILLION IN THE YEAR 2019 SO THAT IS A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX REFUND LEFT ON THE TABLE AND A LOT OF IT IS DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACCESS IT. SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS BRIEFLY THERE'S A RENTER'S REFUND WHICH YOU A CRP FROM YOUR LANDLORD AND THEN YOU FILE THIS AND ONE PR FORM AND THEN THERE'S A REGULAR PROPERTY TAX REFUND AND A SPECIAL REGULAR REFUND IS INCOME RESTRICTED AND THAT INCREASED YEAR TO $135,410. THE SPECIAL REFUND IS NOT INCOME RESTRICTED BUT YOUR TAXES HAD TO HAVE CHANGED AT LEAST 12% BETWEEN YEARS. SO ALL THREE OF THESE ARE FILED WITH YOU ON ONE PR FORM YOUR TAX CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. YOU CAN DO IT. WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE CAN ANSWER FINANCIAL ADVICE QUESTIONS BUT WE CAN POINT YOU THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE HAS HAS A REALLY GOOD TUTORIAL ON THIS AS WELL SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP ON THAT END. THE OTHER ITEM I WANT TO TALK IS SENIOR PROPERTY TAX DEFERRAL. NOW THIS IS AN INTEREST BEARING LOAN. IT'S NOT A REFUND BUT THE INTEREST CAPPED AT 5%. IT'S ADJUSTABLE BUT IT WON'T EXCEED 5% EVER WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD DEAL IN TODAY'S INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU PAY 3% OF YOUR INCOME AS TAXES, THE STATE PAYS THE REST AND THEY DEFER IT UNTIL YOU SELL THE PROPERTY OR EXIT THE PROGRAM. NOW THIS USED TO BE LITTLE HARDER TO ACCESS IN PRIOR YEARS YOU HAD TO HAVE LIVED OWNED AND HOMESTEAD THE PROPERTY FOR 15 YEARS THIS LAST YEAR THEY CHANGED THAT TO FIVE YEARS AND PRIOR YOU HAD TO HAVE INCOME LESS THAN 60,000 AND NOW THEY'VE CHANGED THAT LIMIT TO 96,000. SO THEY'VE MADE THIS PROGRAM MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE. AGAIN I JUST WANT TO STRESS THIS IS A LOAN. THIS IS A DEFERRAL. IT'S NOT A REFUND BUT IT IS LOAN AT A CHEAP RATE AND WITH THAT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. BOLGER. I APPRECIATE AS ALWAYS COUNSEL QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU . I RECTLY READ THAT THE 8200 BUILDING IN THE NORMAN DELL LAKE DISTRICT HAS BEEN FORECLOSED ON. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR ASSESSMENTS AND MOVING FORWARD HOW DOES THAT KIND OF IMPACT THE BUSINESS PARK GENERAL SO I CAN'T GO INTO TOO MANY SPECIFICS ON THE PROPERTY BUT I CAN SAY THIS THIS GROUPING OF TOWERS WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED JUST A FEW YEARS BACK FOR A VERY LARGE PRICE AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACTS OF PANDEMIC HAD ALREADY BEEN FELT AND THAT WAS BAKED INTO THAT PRICE. SO I CAN'T SPEAK AS TO WHY THEY'RE NOT MAKING THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS BUT. I THINK THAT'S IT'S A TROPHY A CLASS A AND IT TYPICALLY HAS LOWER VACANCY RATES THAN OTHER CLASS-A PROPERTIES. SO AGAIN, I CAN'T SHARE ALL THE DETAILS WE HAVE ON THAT BUT HIGH LEVEL BLOOMINGTON AND THE 494 CORRIDOR RANGES 13 TO 28% VACANCY WHERE AREAS OF DOWNTOWN ARE KIND OF AT 26 TO 28%. SO WE'RE STILL MUCH BETTER THAN THE DOWNTOWN CBD. MR. PERRY THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER ALSO WON'T GET INTO THE BEHIND THE SCENES BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IF THE PART OF THE QUESTION TRANSLATES INTO HOW DOES RESOLVE OR HOW DOES THAT AFFECT TAXES PAYABLE TAXES RECEIVED IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET WE DO BUDGET FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TAXABLE IN QUINCY AND WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME NONPAYMENT OF PROPERTY TAX RELATED THE OFFICE PARK OVER THERE THAN THE THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE RECEIVED OR THEY MAY BE DELINQUENT IN A GIVEN YEAR THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET PAID AT SOME POINT BY SOMEONE. RIGHT. AND SO WE ALSO HAVE A REVENUE LINE FOR DELINQUENCIES PAID WHEN WE'LL SEE WHAT WASN'T PAID LAST YEAR COMING BACK IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEAR. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SO I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST YEAR OR MAYBE IT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF THE THE LOWER VALUED HOMES UNDER 200,000 BASICALLY AND I SEE WE'RE DOWN TO 81 HOMES UNDER 200,000 AND GIVEN THE VALUE CHANGE AND THE JUST THE YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE, WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATION HOW LONG BEFORE WE DON'T HAVE HOMES UNDER $200,000 IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON? MR. MAYOR COUNCIL, I'M HONESTLY SHOCKED WE DO HAVE SOME UNDER 200,000. WE SEE LOTS FOR TEAR DOWN SO IN 100 4050 RANGE AND YOU NEED TO TAKE ON THE DEMOLITION COSTS ON TOP OF THAT. SO TO BE HONEST, YEAH, IT'S YOU CAN'T BUILD ANY HOMES OF THAT CALIBER ANYMORE UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TINY HOMES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN YOU'RE THE LOT PRICE DOESN'T DICTATE BILLING ON THAT SMALL SO YEAH I'D SAY IT'S IT'S A NUMBER OF YEARS NOT DECADES YES COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANK YOU MAYOR JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT WOULD THOSE PRIMARILY BE LIKE CONDOS OR CO-OPS AND NOT SINGLE FAMILY ? IS THIS JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER NELSON NOW THESE ARE STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. MOST OF THOSE WOULD BE IN DISREPAIR OR VERY SMALL HOMES. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S NOT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL . WELL, MR. BOLGER, THANKS AGAIN AS ALWAYS FOR THE AND THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ON THE THE REBATE PROGRAMS THINK THAT'S YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S IT'S AN UNTAPPED RESOURCE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AND I'M GLAD WE BRING IT UP EVERY YEAR AND I KNOW YOU GET CALLS ON IT BASED ON YOU BRINGING IT UP AND I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SIT DOWN WITH RESIDENTS AND TALK THEM THROUGH AND HELP THEM THROUGH AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TALK RESIDENTS THROUGH THEIR ASSESSMENT GENERAL AND TO BRING THEM UP TO A LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THEY FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH THEIR ASSESSMENT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. AND A 5.2 ON OUR AGENDA IS AN UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET. ALL RIGHT, KARL CENTER DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR IS HERE. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THIS EVENING I WILL BE SHARING SOME PRELIMINARY FINANCIAL INFORMATION FOR THE END OF 2023 HIGHLIGHTING KEY POINTS FROM THE 24 BUDGET BOOK AND OUTLINING THE PLAN AND BUDGET APPROACH FOR A 2025 BUDGET BASED ON COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE FROM THE END OF LAST YEAR. ALSO DISCUSSING THIS YEAR'S PLAN FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND REVIEWING KEY DATES IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET CALENDAR THE ACTUAL 2023 PRELIMINARY YEAR END RESULTS ARE SHOWING REVENUES OF NEARLY HUNDRED AND 2 MILLION AND EXPENSES OF NEARLY 96 MILLION SAW A POSITIVE RESULT OF OVER $6.2 MILLION. SO NEARLY $4 MILLION OF THAT POSITIVE YEAR PERFORMANCE WAS DUE TO THAT DUE TO THE ONE TIME PUBLIC SAFETY STATE AID FROM THE STATE AND THAT IS GOING TO BE SPENT THIS YEAR AND SOME FUTURE YEARS AND SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT IMPROVED OUR YEAR END 2023 PERFORMANCE WHERE WE HAD SOME HIGHER THAN BUDGETED LODGING AND ADMISSION TAX REVENUES AS WELL AS SOME HIGHER THAN BUDGETED INVESTMENT EARNINGS AND LICENSING REVENUE AND THEN ALSO OUR ACTUAL END EXPENSES WERE ONLY 98% OF BUDGETED AND EXPENSES EXPENSES. AND THEN HERE ARE TWO GRAPHS SHOWING THAT BREAKOUT OF THOSE 2023 REVENUES AND EXPENSES. SO ON THE LEFT IS THE REVENUE CHART AND FOR ACTUAL YEAR END RESULTS I SHOULD SAY PRELIMINARY YEAR END RESULTS OUR IN OUR AUDIT RIGHT NOW 60% OF THE GENERAL FUND 2023 REVENUES WERE COMPRISED OF PROPERTY TAXES AND THEN 10% WERE LODGING AND ADMISSION TAXES 7% PERMIT AND LICENSE AND THEN THE REMAINING SOURCES OF REVENUE INCLUDE TRANSFERS FROM OTHER FUNDS, GRANTS AND PROGRAM. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXPENSE CHART THE OUT OF THE EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT SO YOU CAN SEE ON THAT CHART THERE ALL TOGETHER THERE THAT MORE THAN HALF ARE ABOUT 66% OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSES ARE COMPRISED OF POLICE, FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN THE REMAINING THERE YOU CAN SEE OUR PARKS AND RECREATION COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE SERVICES WHICH INCLUDES BOTH THE AND ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND THEN FINANCE LEVEL OUR ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT. SO THAT WAS 2023 PRELIMINARY YEAR END RESULTS. SO KIND OF MOVING ON TO THE 2024 BUDGET. SO JUST TO BRING YOU BACK ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE 2024 PROPERTY TAX LEVY THAT WAS $80.5 MILLION AND THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF .97 PERCENT OVER THE 2023 PROPERTY TAX LEVY AND THE 2024 BUDGET FOCUSED ON THE CITIES BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER STRATEGIC PLAN AND INVESTING IN CITY PRIORITIES TO CULTIVATE ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND THOSE THREE MAIN PRIORITIES OF A CONNECTED WELCOMING COMMUNITY A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY WITH EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH GROWTH. SO ALONG WITH THE HUMAN HEALTH AND HEALTH AND THAT HEALTHY COMMUNITY PRIORITY THAT ALSO INCLUDES AN OBJECTIVE OF IMPROVED SAFETY AND SECURITY AND THE 2024 BUDGET REFLECTED THIS PRIORITY WITH FUNDING FOR WE CONTINUE TO TRANSITION FROM OUR MAINLY ON PAID ON CALL FIRE DEPARTMENT TO A HYBRID OF BOTH PART TIME AND FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS AND THAT 2024 BUDGET INCLUDED SIX ADDITIONAL FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL DISPAHER POSITION . HERE'S OUR DOLLAR OF THE 2024 CITY PROPERTY TAX DOLLAR WITH ABOUT HALF 50% GOING TO POLICE AND FIRE, $0.16 GOING TO PUBLIC WORKS, $0.14 GOING TO PARKS AND RECREATION, $0.09 TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, $0.06 FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THEN $0.05 FOR PAYMENTS THAT PAY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS . SO OUR ANNUAL 2024 BUDGET BOOK WAS PUBLISHED THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON MARCH 1ST AND IT SUBMITTED TO THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THEIR DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FOR THE PAST 28 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. IT'S PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND IT'S EASY TO ACCESS BY GOING TO THE CITY THEIR HOMEPAGE FOR CITY AND GOING TO CITY BUDGET AND THEN SCROLLING DOWN. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE BUDGET BOOK CONTAINS A CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET MESSAGE AS WELL AS FUND DESCRIPTIONS IN THE STRUCTURE OF ALL 30 BUDGETED FUNDS. IT HAS DETAILED DESCRIPTION JUST OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS IN THE YEAR A DETAILED BUDGET CALENDAR AND FULL TIME POSITION SUMMARY SCHEDULE AND ALSO PRIOR YEARS TO SHOW THE COMPARISON. AND THEN IT ALSO CONTAINS A DETAILED DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET INFORMATION. AND THAT'S NOT JUST THAT PUTS TOGETHER EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE CITY AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE INVOLVED IN UPDATING THEIR SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET BOOK THAT DESCRIBE THE SERVICES THAT THEY PERFORM AND THEIR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. THE NEW YEAR. IN THE PAST YEARS PERFORMANCE METRICS SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY ARE INVOLVED IN PUTTING THIS OUT AND THEN JUST HIGHLIGHTING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET FOG THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET MESSAGE IS HERE AND IT STARTS ON PAGE 23 IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO PAGE 34 AND IT GIVES EXAMPLES OF THE CITY'S IT'S VERY DETAILED WHICH IS GREAT AND GIVES EXAMPLES OF HOW THE CITY'S ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS BRINGS TOGETHER CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND FINANCIAL PLANNING WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS AND IT DETAILS OUT HOW THE BLOOMINGTON TO ROUND TOGETHER PLAN INFLUENCED THE 2024 BUDGET DECISIONS. SO CHECK IT OUT IF YOU HAVEN'T YET. OKAY. SO I JUST TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 2023 PRELIMINARY RESULTS. SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM 2024. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN FOR THE 24 BUDGET BUT NOW WHEN IT DOES GET INTO OUR PROCESS IT'S COMING UP HERE FOR THIS UPCOMING 2025 BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE'RE STARTING. SO FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE FROM THE END OF LAST YEAR WE WILL BE TAKING CONSIDERATION THESE THINGS FOR THE 2025 BUDGET PROCESS THAT YOU WILL BE SEEING MORE OF . SO WE WILL BE AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF OUR WORKING CAPITAL RESERVE GOALS FOR EACH FUND. WE'LL BE TAKING A CLOSER ON AREAS WHERE BUDGET REDUCTIONS CAN BE MADE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION JUST THE SHORT TERM NEEDS THAT WE HAVE WHILE CONTINUING INVEST IN OUR FUTURE. WE'LL BE ASKING TO SUBMIT A DETAILED 2026 CONCEPTUAL BUDGET ALONG WITH THEIR 2025 BUDGET REQUEST JUST TO HAVE MORE ACCURATE FORECASTING OF FUTURE IMPACTS. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN 26 SO THE IMPACTS NOT ONLY ON THE 26 TAX LEVY BUT BEYOND WHERE WE ARE ALREADY BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE BURDEN AND STRESS ON RESIDENTS OF INCREASED UTILITY AND PROPERTY TAX INCREASES AND CONTINUE WITH OUR APPROACH OF GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK THE CITY BUDGET PRIORITIES FOR SERVICES AND FOR SPENDING. SO THIS IS WHAT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. SO PRETTY SOON HERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FOR THE CITY DEPARTMENTS THEY'LL START ENTERING BUDGET REQUESTS FOR BOTH 2025 AND A CONCEPTUAL 2026 ON MAY 16TH THAT THAT'LL START SOME OTHER DATES I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT HERE ARE THE AUGUST 19 AND THE NOVEMBER 25TH SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETINGS WHERE THAT ONLY BUDGET WILL BE ON THE AGENDA AND THEN ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SEPTEMBER 16TH WHEN THE PRELIMINARY 2025 TAX LEVY WILL BE SET AND THEN DECEMBER 2ND WHICH IS AS TIM MENTIONED THE DATE OF THE TRUTH AND TAXATION PUBLIC HEARING WHEN THE FINAL 2025 TAX LEVY WILL BE SET . SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVEN'T PRINTED THIS OUT YET TO PUT IT ON THE THE BUDGET GAME FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TABLES BUT THIS IS OUR DRAFT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ENGAGEMENT AND SO SIMILAR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE WILL HAVE THIS BUDGET GAME SET UP ALONG WITH OTHER INFORMATION AS WELL A S-4 WITH THAT THAT RESIDENTS CAN AND ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE FOR CITY STAFF FOR THE CITY COUNCIL I WILL BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE HAVE A SMALLER VERSION OF THE BUDGET BOOK WHICH IS THE BUDGET AND BRIEF SO SMALLER AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AS WELL BUT FOR THIS BUDGET GAME WE HAVE THESE SIX CATEGORIES OF AND HAVE A CONTAINERS UNDER EACH ONE AND WE LET RESIDENTS HAVE TEN TOKENS THAT REPRESENT PROPERTY AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT THEM ON ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES OR SPREAD THEM OUT EVENLY AND THEN DECIDE WHERE THE LAST FOUR GO SO THEY CAN PUT ALL IN ONE. BUT WE WILL BE HAVING THAT AVAILABLE WELL TO TO GET THAT INPUT SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN THIS MARKS OUR THIRD YEAR OF GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DISCUSS BUDGET AND CITY SPENDING MATTERS. SO THIS YEAR WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON EVENTS WHERE WE CAN HAVE A LONGER PRESENCE THERE TYPICALLY THOSE THAT DRAW A LARGER ATTENDANCE AND THEN SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR I WILL BE WORKING THE FIRE TO HAVE A SIGN UP SCHEDULE IF ANY OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO JOIN AGAIN THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL LAST YEAR AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE THESE ARE THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE GOT MARKED WE MIGHT ADD SOME MORE BUT THESE WILL BE DOING FOR SURE SO A JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION THAT'S ACTUALLY ON JUNE 15TH THIS YEAR ON SATURDAY WE'RE GOING TO BE AT A WEDNESDAY MARKET. WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE WITH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH A LEARNING LINK UP I AUGUST 17TH IS A DOUBLE HEADER BECAUSE THEN IN THE MORNING WE'LL BE LEARNING LINK UP AND THEN IN THE KIND OF LATE AFTERNOON EVENING WILL BE THE ONLINE MUSIC FESTIVAL IN SEPTEMBER WE'RE GOING TO DO A SATURDAY FARMER'S MARKET. WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE PRIDE FESTIVAL AND THAT DATE HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET PROBABLY AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER AND THEN WE WILL BE DOING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPEN HOUSE AGAIN. SO JUST WE'VE LEARNED A LOT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS EVENTS WHERE WE WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING SOME OF THEM WE TRIED OUT AND THAT MANY PEOPLE CAME AND TALKED TO US. BUT EVENTS SUCH AS THIS WHERE USUALLY A LOT OF TABLES AND THINGS GOING ON WE USUALLY GET A LOT OF INTERACTION AND GOOD FEEDBACK. SO THAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN I'LL JUST HAVE ANOTHER PLUG FOR THE WEBSITE. JUST A REMINDER WE HAVE A ROBUST WEBSITE AND WE POST THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS AND ALSO CUE UP THE VIDEOS THAT WERE RECORDED FROM COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN THE BUDGET'S DISCUSSED. SO IT'S VERY EASY TO ACCESS IF ANYONE WANTS TO FOLLOW ALONG AND THEN I'LL JUST ALSO THAT THERE IS A RECENT VIDEO THAT THE CITY ASSESSOR TIM BOLGER AND I DID JUST GIVING INFORMATION ON PROPERTY TAX STATEMENTS AND HOME VALUATIONS STATEMENTS THAT COME OUT IN MARCH SO WE KIND OF REFRESH THAT AND THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THAT PAGE SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. SO OF THE 23 PRELIMINARY FINANCIALS 24 BUDGET KIND OF RECAP AND HIGHLIGHT OF THE BUDGET BOOK AND THEN OUR APPROACH FOR THE UPCOMING 25 BUDGET PROCESS DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT? WE EMBARK ON THE 2025 BUDGET PROCESS. WELL THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO KICK OFF JUST BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR THE SLIDE ABOUT THE GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS REFLECTING OUR CONVERSATION FROM LAST YEAR, I REALLY DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THE WORKING CAPITAL RESERVES, BUDGET REDUCTION POSSIBILITIES, THE FORECASTING FOR THE FUTURE THAT'S ALL IMPORTANT STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT LENGTH LAST YEAR AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THAT INTO THE WHOLE PROCESS THIS YEAR AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT YOU COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MS. CARLSON. I NOTICED THIS IS JUST A NIT PROBABLY BUT I NOTICED THE PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE OPEN HOUSES WEREN'T ON YOUR LIST OF EVENTS ARE WE NOT DOING THEM THIS YEAR OR ARE THEY IS IT BECAUSE DIDN'T GET THE FEEDBACK WE WANTED OR I'M JUST CURIOUS IS IT TIMING AND SO I HAPPEN TO ENJOY THEM SO THAT'S WHY WE SAW MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS THERE ACTUALLY WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A POLICE OPEN HOUSE OR A PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE THIS YEAR OTHERWISE I WOULD BE THERE. COUNCILMEMBER I THINK THIS IS MORE JUST A COMMENT I WAS ABLE TO BE AT TWO OR THREE EVENTS LAST YEAR SO HIGHLY ENCOURAGE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ATTEND THESE THEY WERE CONVERSATIONS I MET PEOPLE FROM ALL THROUGH OUR TOWN BUT NOT ONLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HERE IN BLOOMINGTON BUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO VISIT BLOOMINGTON I THINK THAT WAS A PIECE THAT I WASN'T EXPECTING AS HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO SO HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO BE ABLE TO SET ASIDE SOME TIME TO PARTICIPATE THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE LEARNINGS THAT WE GET ARE VERY VALUABLE. OTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL QUESTIONS, OBSERVATIONS. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SHOW'S ABOUT STARTING. YES. THAT'S THE TONE YOU'RE HEARING. THAT'S IMAGE THAT ANNOUNCES WE'RE GOING TO TALK MOVE ON ITEM 5.3 THE PREVAILING WAGE PERSPECTIVES DRAFT ORDINANCE DISCUSSION MELISSA MANDER CHATTER IS CITY ATTORNEYS GOING TO KICK US OFF? AND THEN I WILL TALK ABOUT OUR OUR OUR GUESTS HERE THIS EVENING WHO ARE GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH ALL KINDS OF INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS TOPIC SO AS A MATTER OF SHAPE ALL RIGHT MAY REMEMBERS I HAVE A POWERPOINT COUPLE SLIDES I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS TONIGHT. I'M JOINED HERE AS WELL BY AMIR FROM OUR OFFICE WHO I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE MET BEFORE YOU ALSO HAVE SPEAKERS SORT OF GROUPED INTO THREE CATEGORIES OR COMPONENTS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT. THEY'RE HERE ON THE SCREEN IN CONSULTATION WITH STAFF AND JAMIE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT I HAVE FIRST AND THEN WHICH FOCUS LARGELY ON THE ON THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AND THEN TO THE UH PRESENTERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING THAT WE WAIT AND HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE END SO THAT ALL THE PRESENTERS CAN YOU KNOW, SORT OF RESPOND IN IN WHATEVER FEELS THE MOST RELEVANT FOR THEM. THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF IS THAT THEY HAVE HANDOUTS INCLUDING SOME OF THEM HAVE SOME HANDOUTS OF THEIR TESTIMONY SO I'VE ASKED THEM TO BRING 12 COPIES SO THAT EACH OF YOU CAN HAVE THAT AS WELL HAVE A COPY IN THE BACK TABLE AND THEN UM I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY EVERYTHING YOU TO REVIEW AND WE ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS. WE WERE PLANNING TO BRING THIS TO YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BUT THE AS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE FOR THEM, THE AGENDAS HAVE BEEN FULL AND SO MUCH GRATITUDE TO OUR PRESENTERS WHO WERE WILLING TO COME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF AT THE LAST. SO WE HAVE THOSE PRESENTERS HERE TONIGHT AND THEY WILL SPEAK FROM THEIR VARIOUS I DO ALSO KNOW JUST AS AN ASIDE AT I OR AT LEAST I WAS TOLD THAT ONE OF THEM IS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT MAYBE MORE THAN ONE. SO ALL RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE OH SHE'S GOT A COUGH AND JAKE, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. ALL RIGHT. SO THE WHY THIS WAY IS TAKEN FROM THE ORDINANCE FROM THE PREAMBLE AND THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S ALL STUFF THAT WE'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE WHEN WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. BUT ESSENTIALLY WE KNOW THAT WHEN GOVERNMENT MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON PROJECTS. YOU WANT THE HIGHEST QUALITY PRODUCT AS WELL AS THE HIGHEST QUALITY LABOR THAT'S REASONABLY AVAILABLE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU WANT WORKERS AND HUMANS AND PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY BE TO BE COMPENSATED CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S REASONABLE THE WORKPLACE AND AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE PROJECTS INVOLVE CITY MONEY. SO THAT IS THE APPROACH THAT WAS TAKEN IN THIS ORDINANCE IN A NUTSHELL THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRES CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS PERFORMING WORK THAT USES CITY AND STATE FUNDS ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AGAIN AS REMINDER THIS IS CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT EXCEED A CERTAIN DOLLAR TO PAY THEIR LABORERS NOT LESS THAN PREVAILING WAGE RATES. AND AGAIN THOSE WAGE RATES ARE DETERMINED BY THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY BASED ON FORMULAS THAT ARE IN STATE LAW AND THEY'RE BASED ON PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WORKERS THAT ARE WORKING ON SIMILAR PROJECTS IN OUR COUNTY THERE IS A DEFINITION OF PROJECT IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S IN THE PACKET AND IF YOU RECALL WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND THE DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW IS IS BROAD IN THE THINKING THAT IF ALL WANTED TO TRIM ANYTHING BACK THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO TRIM THAN ADD SO IT'S CONSTRUCTION WORK, DEMO WORK REPAIR ROADS, BRIDGES, SEWERS, STREETS PARKS PARKWAYS BUILDINGS ETC. AND INCLUDES PUBLIC NUISANCES OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. NOW THE TWO CATCHES ARE FINANCED WITH CITY FUNDS AND THE TOTAL PROJECT EXCEEDS 175,000. THE REASON THAT WE THINK THAT THE 175 IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND BASED ON SOME ANALYSIS DONE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT THE REGION AS WELL AS THAT IS THE THRESHOLD IN WHICH THE PROJECT COMES TO THE COUNCIL SO EVERYTHING UP TO 175 CAN BE EXECUTED BY THE CITY MANAGER PURSUANT TO OUR INTERNAL FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES AS WELL AS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT SEEMED LIKE A RELEVANT LINE. IT ALSO IS HELPFUL FOR INTERNAL PROCESSING AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE TOOK THE SAME APPROACH WITH REGARD TO CITY FUNDS AND WHAT IS MEANT BY CITY FUNDS. IT'S A DEFINED TERM IN OUR IN OUR ORDINANCE WE AND IT INCLUDES CONTRACT PAYMENTS GRANTS LOANS LOAN GUARANTEES TIVE TAX ABATEMENTS TAX CREDITS, LOAN BASICALLY ANY TIME CITY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS INCLUDED IN A PROJECT AS AN ASIDE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS LEGISLATION AT THIS AT THE CAPITAL RIGHT NOW THAT IS LOOKING POTENTIALLY TURNING ON PREVAILING WAGE FOR OTHER TYPES OF STATE BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED YET BUT OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL IN AND BE RESPONSIVE TO. SO WHAT ELSE DOES THE ORDINANCE INCLUDE? AGAIN, I'VE TALKED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE DEFINITION THESE PREVAILING WAGE WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY TYPE OF PUBLICLY VETTED PROJECT SO ANY TIME THE CITY USES RFP RFQ OF ALL THE REST IT WOULD IS INCORPORATE BY REFERENCE AND THEN WITH REGARD TO COMPLIANCE IT'S REQUIRED BY THE CONTRACTOR AND I KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT IN MORE DETAIL ESSENTIALLY ENTERING PAYROLL PAYROLL RECORDS AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE ENFORCING OR BASED ON COMPLAINTS RECEIVED IS HOW THE ORDINANCES DRAFTED RIGHT NOW THEIR ORDINANCE INCLUDES ALL OF THE SORT OF ARRAY OF ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS CRIMINAL CIVIL AND ADMINISTRATIVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HAS OPTIONS IN THE PAST THE COUNCIL HAS OPTED TO TAKE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES SO I WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL OF THEM FOR YOUR REFERENCE AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP AT PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE IS AN EXEMPTION FROM THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS NEXT. SO REAL BRIEFLY AND I'VE ALLUDED TO THIS HOW DOES PREVAILING WAGE GET CALCULATED? IT'S CALCULATED PURSUANT TO STATE LAW. IT'S DONE BY THE STATE IT'S RELATED TO THE WHERE AS WELL AS WHO THAT'S WORKING. AND THEN THERE ARE STATE RULES THAT PROMULGATED TO CARRY OUT THE STATE LAW, THE STATE STATUTES. SO HERE IS LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. IT'S IT'S REVIEWED ANNUALLY, IT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S THERE IS A COMMON WE WOULDN'T PROPOSED NOR WOULD WE PLAN BE CALCULATING BLOOMINGTON'S SPECIFIC HOURLY RATES FOR WORKERS WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY INTERNALLY TO DO THAT NOR IS THAT SORT OF THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE THROUGHOUT THE STATE NEXT SLIDE? SO WE HAVE AGAIN THE PERSPECTIVES THAT YOU ASKED TO BE PRESENT HERE TONIGHT AND. THEY HAVE THE FIRST TWO SPEAKERS HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT THEY'LL BE USING. I THINK THERE'S FIVE SLIDES THERE AND THEN WE HAVE A AND A CONTRACTOR AND THEN A SUBCONTRACTOR AVAILABLE. EACH OF THEM HAVE PREPARED WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO ABOUT 5 TO 10 MINUTES AND THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME AND AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO STAY FOR FOR THAT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET STARTED QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT COUNSEL AND SANJAY VERY GOOD WHEN WE GET INTO OUR SPEAKERS THEN I FIRST WANT TO THANK OUR SPEAKERS AND WE THREW THE CURVEBALL AT YOU LATE LAST WEEK OR TIME WE MET AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE HERE TONIGHT . ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE PART OF THIS THE THE COUNCIL WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION LAST TIME AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AND WE WANTED TO LEARN MORE BASICALLY WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU ALL COME IN AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS BE HERE AND APPRECIATE YOUR 5 TO 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION. THAT'S WHAT I APPRECIATE IS A 5 TO 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL WILL HOLD OUR QUESTIONS UNTIL WE WRAP UP ALL THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION THEN SO ARE WE IN ORDER BASED ON WHAT WE SEE HERE? SO YES MAYOR AND I BELIEVE ALL OF US ARE WORKING ON PULLING UP THE PARK. GOOD. SO ALL I WILL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELVES JUST TO MAKE SURE DON'T BUTCHER NAMES OR GET YOU MIXED UP WITH SOMEBODY. HOW ABOUT THAT? PERFECT. WELL, I CAN START. MY NAME IS LUCAS FRANCO. I'M THE RESEARCH MANAGER WITH THE LABORERS CONSTRUCTION UNION OF MINNESOTA, NORTH DAKOTA AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME. RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BUSSEY AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TIM WATKINS. I AM THE EDUCATION AND POLICY FOR THE FAIR CONTRACTING FOUNDATION OF MINNESOTA HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE FRANCO, RESEARCH MANAGER FOR LIUNA MINNESOTA NORTH DAKOTA FAIR CONTRACTING IS A NONPROFIT CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE MONITOR REPRESENTING THE MEN AND WOMEN OF MINNESOTA'S BUILDING TRADES AS WELL AS MORE THAN 2000 SIGNATORY CONTRACTORS. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE CITY'S INTEREST IN LEARNING ABOUT PREVAILING WAGE IN THE EFFORT TO PROTECT WORKERS, LEGITIMATE CONTRACTORS ON TAXPAYER SUPPORTED INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. PREVAILING WAGE IS ONE OF THE OLDEST POLICIES FOR MAINTAINING LABOR STANDARDS ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. IT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED TO PROTECT LOCAL CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY STANDARDS FROM BEING ERODED BY OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS WHO WOULD GAME A STATE'S LOW BID REQUIREMENTS BY EXPLOITING WORKERS AND CUTTING WAGES? AS YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTS ARE OBLIGATED TO AWARD PUBLICLY FUED CONTRACTS TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER WHICH CREATES THIS TEMPTATION TO CUT IN SHORT, PREVAILING WAGE IS INTENDED TO COUNTERACT THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF LOW BID PROCUREMENT 11 LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD CONTRACTORS WHO BID ON THAT WORK. SO THE FIRST PREVAILING WAGE LAW WAS PASSED IN KANSAS AND IN 1891 AS PART OF A SUITE OF WORKER PROTECTIONS INCLUDING A BAN ON CHILD LABOR AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF CONVICT LABOR. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PASSED THE DAVIS-BACON ACT IN 1931 IN RESPONSE TO SIMILAR INDUSTRY CHALLENGES DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. MINNESOTA'S PREVAILING WAGE LAW WAS ENACTED IN 1973 AFTER A NUMBER OF LARGE PROJECTS AT THE YOU WERE ALL AWARDED TO OUT-OF-STATE CONTRACTORS USING CHEAP UNSKILLED LABOR BY PROTECTING LOCAL CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS PREVAILING ENSURES THAT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE LEAD TO ECONOMIC GROWTH. A 2018 STUDY ON SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS THE HANDOUT THAT IS MAKING ITS ROUNDS THROUGH THERE FOUND THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS THE SHARE OF LOCAL CONTRACTORS WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS BY ABOUT 10%, ULTIMATELY GROWING THE STATE'S ECONOMY BY $981 MILLION AND INCREASING STATE AND LOCAL TAX BY $37 MILLION. AND IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY SPECIFICALLY PREVAILING WAGE INCREASE CONTRACTOR INVESTMENT IN REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS CREATING A BETTER TRAINED MORE HIGHLY SKILLED AND SAFER WORKFORCE CONSTRUCTION IN STATES WITH PREVAILING WAGE ARE ON AVERAGE 13% MORE PRODUCTIVE AND SEE 14% FEWER ON THE JOB INJURIES AND FATALITIES COMPARED TO STATES WITHOUT PREVAILING WAGE LAWS. THIS TRULY IS A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL POLICY ARRANGEMENT AND. ONE COMMON MYTH THAT IS OUT THERE ABOUT PREVAILING WAGE IS THAT THEY MAY RAISE THE COST CONSTRUCTION BY UP TO 30%. JUST A LITTLE NOTE ON THAT RESEARCH. MANY OF THESE STUDIES WHICH MAKE THIS CLAIM UTILIZE WHAT IS CALLED THE WAGE DIFFERENTIAL FOR ANALYZING COSTS A METHODOLOGY WHICH HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY DISCREDITED BY LEGITIMATE RESEARCHERS. THIS METHOD FAILS TO CONSIDER THOSE ON WORKER PRODUCTIVITY, TRAINING, SAFETY AND OTHER EFFICIENCIES. IN OTHER WORDS, THESE CLAIMS ABOUT THE COST OF PREVAILING WAGE ARE OVERBLOWN AND SIMPLY NOT CREDIBLE. AS A RESULT, 75% OF PEER REVIEWED STUDIES SINCE THE YEAR 2000 HAVE FOUND THAT PREVAILING WAGE HAVE NO IMPACT ON OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THAT'S THAT TABLE IS IN YOUR HAND OUT THERE OUTLINING THAT RESEARCH IN ORDER TO THESE BENEFITS, HOWEVER, PREVAILING WAGE LAWS DO NEED TO BE ACTIVELY ENFORCED I BELIEVE THE COMPLIANCE PROCESS OUTLINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL ENSURE THAT THIS ORDINANCE ACHIEVES THE CITY'S GOALS WITH THIS POLICY WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO ALL OF THE NITTY GRITTY OF PREVAILING WAGE COMPLAINTS THIS EVENING. SO I WILL JUST NOTE THAT IT IS A REALLY EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR MULTIPLE FORMS OF CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY NONCOMPLIANCE PRIMARILY THROUGH THE CREATION OF CERTIFIED PAPER REPORTS BY REQUIRING A RECORD OF WORKERS ON THE JOB SITE WHAT TYPE OF WORK THEY ARE PERFORMING AND HOW MUCH THEY ARE BEING PAID IT BECOMES MUCH HARDER FOR CONTRACTORS TO WORKERS OFF THE BOOKS BY PAYING THEM CASH OR MISCLASSIFYING THEM AS INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. IT ALSO MAKES IT EASIER FOR COMPLIANCE MONITORS LIKE OUR ORGANIZATION TO BE ABLE TO CHECK LICENSES TO ENSURE THAT WORKERS ARE PROPERLY QUALIFIED TO DO THINGS LIKE ELECTRICAL OR AND PLUMBING OR PIPING WORK . IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE SIMPLE ACT OF REQUIRING CONTRACTORS TO SUBMIT WEEKLY CERTIFIED PAYROLLS CAN DISSUADE UNSCRUPULOUS COMPANIES EVEN BIDDING ON SUCH PROJECTS AS THEY DO NOT WANT TO INVITE THAT HEIGHT SCRUTINY. NOW TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO TURN THINGS OVER TO LUCAS AND HOW PREVAILING WAGE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THANKS TO HIM. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR BUSSEY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF THE RESEARCH I'VE BEEN WORKING ON. I'M REALLY GOING TO FOCUS IN ON THE PREVENTION SIDE OF PREVAILING WAGE POLICIES AND HOW GOOD IT IS AT PREVENTING WAGE THEFT AND OTHER FORMS OF ABUSE PARTICULARLY ON HOUSING PROJECTS. PERFECT. SO IN PARTICULAR I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FINDINGS OF A REPORT I COAUTHORED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NORTH STAR POLICY ACTION WHICH IS A LOCAL THINK TANK HERE IN MINNESOTA CALLED SUBSIDIZING ABUSE HOW PUBLIC FINANCING FUELS EXPLOITATION IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION. AND THERE'S A ONE PAGER IN SORT OF LIGHT BLUE COLORS GOING THAT SUMMARIZES THAT REPORT AS AND HAS A QR CODE TO LINK TO THE FULL REPORT. AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, MINNESOTA FACES SUBSTANTIAL SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THANKFULLY VARIOUS UNITS OF GOVERNMENT HAVE REALLY STEPPED UP TO THIS CHALLENGE INCLUDING YOURSELVES HERE IN BLOOMINGTON TO OFFER A RANGE OF FINANCING TOOLS TO INCREASE THE PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MOST OF THIS MONEY ALREADY COVERED BY PREVAILING WAGE PARTICULARLY MONEY THAT GOES THROUGH MINNESOTA HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY AND IT ENSURES FAMILY SUSTAINING WAGES LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD FOR GOOD RESPONSIBLE LOCAL CONTRACTORS . UNFORTUNATELY, TWO OF THE LARGEST SOURCES OF PUBLIC FINANCING THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AT THE CITY LEVEL IN MANY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR STATE RARELY INCLUDE PREVAILING WAGE COVERAGE. AS A RESULT OF THIS, PUBLIC MONEY IS CHANNELED TO UNSCRUPULOUS CONTRACTORS THAT ARE BUILDING NEW HOUSING PROJECTS ON THE BACKS OF VULNERABLE WORKERS. IN THE REPORT WE FOUND PROBLEM CONTRACTORS HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD OF CHEATING WORKERS OR FACE ALLEGATIONS OF EXPLOITATION ON 33 AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS A ACROSS THE TWIN CITIES METROPOLITAN AREA AND ORGANIZATION WE WORK WITH THE CARPENTERS UNION HAS ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE OF SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEM CONTRACTORS THAT WE NAME IN THE REPORT WORKED ON TWO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND THEY'D HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION IF YOU ALL FIND IT HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE. NOT AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING THESE PROBLEM CONTRACTORS INCLUDE COMPANIES LIKE ABSOLUTE DRYWALL, A COMPANY THAT WAS FOUND TO HAVE DEPRIVED WORKERS OF MORE THAN $126,000 IN WAGES VIOLATED CHILD LAWS, MISCLASSIFIED WORKERS AND SUBMITTED FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION DURING THE COURSE OF AN INVESTIGATION. PUBLIC SUBSIDIES ARE FUELING COMPANIES LIKE THIS WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT THEY OFTEN PAY FINES AND THEY GO RIGHT BACK TO WORKING ON PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED PROJECTS. WE DIDN'T JUST DOCUMENT LOW ROAD CONTRACTORS WORKING ON PUBLICLY SUBSIDIZED PROJECTS BUT WE ALSO DETAILED SPECIFIC CASES OF WORKER EXPLOITATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE REPORT WE SHARE A STORY STORY FROM A WORKER ARTURO, WHO ALLEGED THAT HE WAS OFFERED TO BE PAID IN DRUGS BY AN EMPLOYER ON A PROJECT THAT WAS SUBSIDIZED WITH 1 MILLION IN LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE STORIES VERY SIMILAR TO THAT THAT WE FIND FREQUENTLY. IN TOTAL WE DOCUMENT PROBLEM CONTRACTORS ON PROJECTS WITH TAXPAYER FUNDED SUBSIDIES IN EXCESS OF 84 MILLION. WE ONLY DOCUMENTED THESE ISSUES ON PROJECTS COVERED BY PREVAILING WAGE AS TIM MENTIONED BECAUSE PREVAILING WAGE REALLY DOES ACT AS SUCH AN EFFECTIVE DETERRENCE MECHANISM. PREVAILING WAGE POLICIES NOT ONLY ENSURE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR LOCAL CONTRACTORS BUT THEY INCREASE PAYROLL TRANSPARENCY MAKING IT REALLY HARD FOR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE TRYING TO PAY WORKERS OFF THE BOOKS LIKE ARTURO OR MISCLASSIFY WORKERS TO GET AWAY WITH IT AND IT REALLY IS SUNSHINE CAN BE THE BEST DISINFECTANT. EXPANDING PREVAILING WAGE COVERAGE GENERALLY AND ESPECIALLY TO TAX INCREMENT FINANCING HERE IN BLOOMINGTON WILL ENSURE TAXPAYER MONEY ISN'T FUELING LOW ROAD CONTRACTING PRACTICES AND EXPLOITATIVE PRACTICES THAT WE DOCUMENTED IN THE SUBSIDIZING ABUSE REPORT. AND WITH THAT I'LL PASS IT BACK TO TIM. THANKS LUCAS. AND SO IN SUMMARY IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO IMPLEMENT PREVAILING WAGE FAIR CONTRACTING FOUNDATION AND ITS PARTNERS STAND READY AND WILLING TO IN MONITORING PROJECTS AND REVIEWING CERTIFIED PAYROLL REPORTS POTENTIAL RED FLAGS WHICH WOULD THEN IDENTIFY TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE WOULD ALSO BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONDUCT ANY TRAINING SESSIONS FOR CITY STAFF TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS THAT CAN ON CONSTRUCTION SITES AND HOW TO EFFECTIVELY MONITOR FOR SUCH VIOLATIONS. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT NO POLICY IS 100% PERFECT. THERE IS NO MAGIC SILVER BULLET OUT THERE. AND AS A RESULT WE HAVE WORKED IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES TO MAKE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS OR KIND OF TAILOR MAKE THESE SORTS OF POLICIES TO ADDRESS LOCAL CONDITIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE SESSION WE WORKED WITH A GROUP OF SMALL SINGLE FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS IN THE TWIN CITIES METRO TO RIGHT THE APPLICANT THE APPLICATION OF PREVAILING WAGE STANDARDS ON CERTAIN THAT WERE OVERSEEN BY THE MINNESOTA HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY A CHANGE THAT WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR. AND WHILE WE BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE UNDER CONSIDERATION A VERY WELL-DESIGNED LOCAL POLICY, WE ARE HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN ANY SUBSTANTIVE IF THE CITY HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING ITS EVENTUAL IMPLEMENTATION. SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER ENHANCING THE CITY'S LABOR STANDARDS AND PUT AN END TO WAGE AND MAKE BLOOMINGTON A PLACE WHERE WORKING PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES CAN HAVE A FAIR AT BUILDING HEALTHY, SUSTAINABLE AND ECONOMICALLY SECURE LIVES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MR. FRANKLIN. MR. WATKINS, THANKS MUCH MUCH . NEXT UP, MR. MIN MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS STEVE AND I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFER OF LUPI DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS. LOOBY DEVELOPMENT IS A BOUTIQUE DEVELOPER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT SUBSCRIBES TO PAYING PREVAILING WAGE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE ALSO DEVELOP MARKET RATE HOUSING IN SOME COMMERCIAL BUT OUR BREAD AND BUTTER IS PRIMARILY WORKING IN THE CHALLENGING FIELD LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT WORK IN SECTION 42. WE PRODUCE BETWEEN 150 AND 300 UNITS OF HOUSING A YEAR. SINCE 1989 WE'VE CREATED OVER 3000 UNITS OF HOUSING THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND WE PRESENTLY OWN JUST OVER 1800 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA THAT WE MANAGE LOCALLY. THE DEARTH OF QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE METRO AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS I THINK YOU'RE AWARE IT'S REACHED A CRISIS LEVEL SINCE THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN OF 2008 TO 2010. WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN A SPIRAL NET LOSS OF HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA AT PACE THAT WE CANNOT PLACE. WE NOW MUST PRODUCE 60,000 NEW UNITS OF HOUSING BY 2030 IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND ALMOST 100,000 UNITS IN THE STATE TO MEET THE DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS. THIS IS CONSTRUCTION DEMAND THAT WILL BE CHALLENGING IN A MARKET WHERE THE BENCH OF CONSTRUCTION TRADES ARE RETIRING AT A GROWING AND ALARMING RATE AND THE PACE OF RECRUITING AND FOR NEW SKILLED LABOR TO THE TRADES IS NOT KEEPING PACE. WE HAVE A GROWING LABOR SHORTAGE IN THE TRADES THAT IS ALSO A CRISIS BECAUSE ONLY 45 OR 50% OF A PROJECT'S COST CAN BE SUPPORTED. THE RENTAL REVENUE OF AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIRES STATE, REGIONAL AND LOCAL RESOURCES TO BE PRODUCED AND THESE RESOURCES ARE VERY SCARCE. FURTHER THESE RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED WITH A COMPELLING INTEREST THAT DEMANDS GOVERNMENT ACTION WHICH IS WHY MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DONE WITH GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP. WE AT LUPI DEVELOPMENT COMPETE FOR THESE LIMITED RESOURCES AND FREQUENTLY FIND OURSELVES AT A DISADVANTAGE TO COMPETITORS DO NOT PAY PREVAILING WAGE YET THEY THE SAME STATE, REGIONAL AND LOCAL RESOURCES THAT WE COMPETE. NOW I COULD NOT FAULT MY COMPETITORS FOR STRIVING TO LOWER COSTS IF THEIR MOTIVES WERE PURE BUT AND I FRANKLY CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT THERE'S PRACTICAL LOGIC TO PRODUCING MORE UNITS BY STRETCHING RESOURCES AT A LOWER COST TO INCREASE PRODUCTION. BUT LOWER COSTS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE TYPICALLY ACHIEVED BY INTENTIONALLY PAYING LOWER CASH WAGES TO TRANSITORY DEVOID OF HEALTH AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS. SAFETY AND TRAINING THAT IS NOT HOW YOU BUILD A SKILLED WORKFORCE FOR THE FUTURE. COMPETITORS WHO ENGAGE IN THESE PRACTICES HIDE BEHIND DENIABILITY THAT THEIR PRACTICES ARE DONE AT THE CONTRACTOR LEVEL AND THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE AND IT'S BEYOND THEIR CONTROL. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY BALONEY. IT IS LABOR EXPLOITATION AND THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO WAGE THEFT. I'VE READ THE REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON THE OVERHEAD AND I AGREE WITH FAIR AMOUNT OF IT. BEYOND THE MORAL HAZARD OF DISCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKFORCE THAT WE NEED TO BUILD 100,000 UNITS IS THE CONCEPT OF A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR A PROJECT COMPETING FOR THE SAME STATE DOLLARS, THE SAME REGIONAL DOLLARS AND THE SAME LOCAL DOLLARS. WE ALL USE THE SAME FEDERAL TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. WE ARE ALL EVALUATED UNDER THE SAME THE SAME STATE EVALUATION CRITERIA. SO I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A COMPELLING STATE INTEREST AND THAT COMPELLING INTEREST DEMANDS SAME COMPLIANCE THAT FEDERAL CONTRACTING REQUIRES WHICH IS PREVAILING WAGE. NOW I ALSO HAVE TWO MITIGATING OBSERVATIONS REGARDING PREVAILING WAGE THAT THEY WERE BRIEFLY MENTIONED BEFORE I CLOSED MY REMARKS. FIRST OF ALL, NOT ALL PREVAILING WAGE IS EQUAL. THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT PREVAILING WAGE STANDARDS AND THAT DYNAMIC CAN PRODUCE THE UNDER CONSEQUENCE OF PAYING A PREMIUM UNCERTAIN CLASSIFICATIONS BY TECHNICALITY THAT WERE NOT INTENDED BY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. THE MAJORITY OF TRADE UNIONS IN HOUSING HAVE COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN WITH MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPERS AT STANDARD RESIDENTIAL WAGE RATE FOR HOUSING PRODUCTION. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. IS CRITICAL THAT THE FEW TRADES WHO HAVE NOT YET EMBRACED THIS CONCEPT COME UNDER BIG TENT, ELIMINATE INEQUITIES AND CORRECT WAGE ERRORS THAT HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO EXIST FOR MANY YEARS. THIS HOW WE ALL BUILD MARKET SHARE AND A SUCCESSFUL WORKING PARTNERSHIP. SECONDLY, THE COMPELLING STATE INTERESTS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MY OPINION DOES NOT APPLY TO MARKET RATE HOUSINGHE PRODUCTION OF MARKET RATE HOUSING DOES DEPEND ON GOVERNMENT RESOURCES UNIFORMLY IT DOES NOT A STANDARDIZED TAX CREDIT PROGRAM DOES NOT HAVE A RENT TABLE OR A RESOURCE IN TERMS OF THE INCOME THAT IT GENERATES FOR RENT. COMMUNITIES THAT CHOOSE TO MAKE LOCAL INVESTMENTS IN MARKET RATE HOUSING ARE TYPICALLY ADDRESSING LOCALIZED BARRIERS TO PROJECT SUCCESS SUCH AS BLIGHT OR ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGE. I SEE THOSE MARKET RATE DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY THAN PREVAILING WAGE DEBATE ON AFFORDABLE WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON A UNIFORM SYSTEM. IT IS A LOCAL DECISION WITH UNIQUE FACTORS THAT WHAT FORM TIFF OR A LOCAL GRANT MIGHT SET MIGHT NOT SATISFY A SPECIFIC SITE CHALLENGE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO I ENCOURAGE TO CONSIDER AFFORDABILITY AS A FACTOR FOR YOUR PREVAILING WAGE STANDARD BUT NOT NECESSARILY ENCOMPASS ALL HOUSING IN THAT STANDARD. WHERE THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING IN THIS DISCUSSION. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATIONS. ANK YOU. MR. MARIOTTI. IN THIS PROCEDURE I GET THAT GREETING WELCOME . GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS B.J. MARIOTTI. I'M THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT FOR ANNA COMPANIES. VERANO COMPANIES IS ONE OF MINNESOTA'S LARGEST BUILDERS OF PRIVATELY FINANCED AND GOVERNMENT FUNDED MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS . OVER THE PAST 45 YEARS FRANTA HAS BUILT OVER THOUSAND UNITS OF HOUSING REPRESENTING OVER 5 BILLION IN CONSTRUCTION VOLUME IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. WE HAVE BUILT OVER 1200 UNITS OF HOUSING REPRESENTING MULTIPLE PROJECTS AND A CONSTRUCTION VOLUME OF MORE THAN 200 MILLION. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING WHEN I WAS SEEING THE STATS ON NUMBER OF UNITS. I THINK IT'S MAYBE ABOUT 10% BUT I'M NOT SURE. I COULDN'T TELL HOW MANY THERE WERE. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING A MINNESOTA COMPANY THAT CONSISTENTLY EMPLOYS OVER 250 SKILLED CARPENTERS. AS FOR AN EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF ADDITIONAL WORKERS EMPLOYED THROUGH SUBCONTRACTING PARTNERS FOR ANNA COMPANIES AND OTHER LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS COMPETE IN THE MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IN WHICH A PORTION OF THE PROJECTS HAVE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT MISCLASSIFY THEIR WORKFORCE AS INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS OR PAY CASH BY WORKING THIS WAY. THESE SUBCONTRACTORS CUT THEIR COSTS TO WIN MORE WORK CHEATING TAXPAYERS AND THEIR WORKERS LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS WHO WANT TO INVEST IN MINNESOTA CITIES AND WORKERS ARE UNABLE TO COMPETE OR A PORTION THE INDUSTRY IS UTILIZING THE EXPLOITATION OF WORKERS OR QUITE SIMPLY PUT OPERATING IN WAGE THEFT. I CAN CONSERVATIVELY SAY MOST MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS REQUIRE SOME FORM OF PUBLIC SUBSIDY LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS ,HISTORIC CREDITS TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, OTHER GRANTS AND LOANS WITHOUT SOLID OVERSIGHT. MANY OF THESE TAX DOLLARS USED TO SUBSIDIZE THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO THOSE WHO CHEAT THE SYSTEM. THE CIRCUMVENTION OF PAYROLL TAXES WORKER'S COMP INSURANCE PREMIUMS, FEDERAL AND STATE INCOME TAXES ARE EXAMPLES OF HOW LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS ARE UNDERCUT AND OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE USED TO SUBSIDIZE WAGE THEFT AND MISCLASSIFICATION ACTIVITIES. MANY CONTRACTORS WHO PRACTICE WAGE THEFT MIS CLASSIFY MISCLASSIFICATION AND MISCLASSIFICATION WILL NOT BID ON PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS AS THEY NO LONGER HAVE COMPETITIVE EDGE WITH THEIR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES NOR DO THEY WANT THE REQUIREMENT OF WAGE REPORTING UNCOVERING WHAT ARE DOING REQUIRING PREVAILING WAGE WITH OVERSIGHT WITH LEVEL THE BUSINESS PLAYING FIELD. FROM WHAT I'VE? FROM WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCE PREVAILING WAGE OVERSIGHT SHOULD CONTAIN THREE KEY CHECKS AND BALANCES WHICH WILL DETER CONTRACTORS WHO UTILIZE LABOR BROKERS AND PARTICIPATE IN THE WAGE THEFT AND MISCLASSIFICATION. FIRST, ALL WAGES REQUIRED TO BE POSTED AT THE JOB SITE FOR A SPECIFIC TRADE. THIS KEEPS THE EMPLOYERS ACCOUNTABLE AS ARE SEE WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAID. THIS DOES WORK. I'VE IT WORK MULTIPLE TIMES ON CLERICAL ERRORS FOR. JUST LEAVE WAGE THEFT OUT OF IT. SECOND, EMPLOYERS CERTIFY THEY ARE PAYING THEIR THEIR EMPLOYEES THE SPECIFIED WAGE WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF CERTIFIED PAYROLL. IF AN EMPLOYER CHOOSES TO MISREPRESENT THE WAGES PAID, THEY ARE COMMITTING MULTIPLE ACTS OF PERJURY WHICH EASILY BE ENFORCED WITH CRIMINAL PENALTIES AGAINST THEM. WITH THE USE OF LCP TRACKER THE SUPERVISING RCP TRACKER CAN EASILY UNCOVER AND DISCOVER NONCOMPLIANCE AND SIMPLY CLERICAL ERRORS. THAT'S HOW YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME. JUST SIMPLE CLERICAL ERRORS. I HAVE HEARD CONCERNS OVER THE COST OF PREVAILING. HOWEVER THIS IS MINIMAL WHEN COMPARING LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS TO LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS. THE COMPARISON THAT TRULY CREATES A GENUINE DIFFERENCE IS ONE BETWEEN A LEGITIMATE PLAYER EMPLOYER TO A CONTRACTOR WHO UTILIZES LABOR BROKERS AND MISCLASSIFY AS THEIR WORKERS OR SIMPLY PUT PARTICIPATES IN WAGE THEFT AND MISCLASSIFICATION ACTIVITIES. THERE IS NOT ONE LEGITIMATE EMPLOYER WHO EMPLOYS HOURLY EMPLOYEES PAYING WORKERS COMP PAYROLL TAXES AS WELL AS PROVIDING SIMPLE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS THAT CAN COMPETE AGAINST AN ILLEGITIMATE CONTRACTOR WHO PAYS CASH AND SUBVERTS THE INSURANCE AND TAXES REQUIRED BY LAW. LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS ARE UNABLE TO COMPETE MOST STATES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES WHERE WAGE EXPLOITATION MORE IS MORE COMMON. FORTUNATELY LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS CAN COMPETE IN MINNESOTA WHERE ONLY A PORTION THE INDUSTRY IS UTILIZING THE EXPLOITATION OF UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS AND PAYING CASH. THIS IS BECAUSE HAVE VARIOUS LEVELS OF STATE GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY PARTNERS WORKING HARD TO HELP DETER THIS PRACTICE. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FOR DISCUSSING AND ADDRESSING THIS PERVASIVE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT A PREVAILING ORDINANCE ENABLING ANOTHER LAYER OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE BAD PLAYERS IN OUR IN OUR INDUSTRY. AT END THOUGH BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU THANK YOU. HI MY NAME IS CARLA MARSEILLE. I'M THE FEEL FREE TO TRY LA LOCATED HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT ALL THE SUBCONTRACTORS THE DAY BY DAY WE ARE WORKING SO HARD TO KEEP OUR COMPANIES TO LIFE BECAUSE ALL PRACTICES THAT WE ARE HEARING FREE TO TRY WELL ESTABLISHED IN 2015 WITH FOUR EMPLOYEES MY HUSBAND AND I WERE TWO OF THEM LAST YEAR WE OFFERED WORK TO OVER 100 EMPLOYEES AND TO BE HERE IS WHERE WE ARE IS NOT EASY. I'M GOING TO SHARE A STORY WITH YOU GUYS AND THAT'S THAT'S VERY REAL AND THAT'S WHAT I BRING THIS THIS IS THIS GROUP RUN. SO I WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THIS IS VERY RECENTLY WE GOING TO MASS WITH MY FAMILY IN MINNEAPOLIS BASILICA OF MARY AND WE ARE DRIVING BACK HOME AND WE ARE STOP AND LAKE IN NICOLLET TO GET ICE CREAM THAT'S A MEXICAN STORE SO AND THAT WAS VERY SURPRISING TO 20 OR 30 GUYS IN LAKE STREET AND MCALLEN WITH THIS PLACE OVER STREET RUNNING IN A PICKUP TRUCK JUMPING IN A PICKUP TRUCK BECAUSE HE WAS OFFERING WORK TO THEM. I NEVER SAW THAT BEFORE. THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME I SAW THESE AND THAT WAS A SUNDAY YOU KNOW LIKE 1:02 P.M. IN THE AFTERNOON AND YOU KNOW THAT IS WHAT HPENED IN THE CITIES THAT IS YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM IS BIG WE ARE FOLLOWING ABOUT WAGE SO I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE WORKFORCE AND REPRESENTING THE SUBCONTRACTORS BUT MORE BIG WORKFORCE WE ARE HEARING ABOUT HOW THEY PRICE IS HERE IN THEY ARE GEARING YOU KNOW LIKE INCREASING WE ARE NOT BRINGING ANY PROGRAM TO CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS TO I MEAN CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ABOUT VERIFY IN WAGES WE ARE NO ONE TO HOW WE ARE GOING TO HELP COMMUNITY OUR RESIDENTS THAT'S WHY HERE LCB TRUCKER WE HAVE BEEN WORKING NINE YEARS IN WOULD TRUCKER WE DO A LOT OF PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS END IS PRETTY EASY IS BARELY IS THREE FOUR WHERE IF YOU ARE PAYING CORRECTLY TO YOUR EMPLOYEES IT'S NOTHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT LCB TRACTOR IF YOU ARE PAYING CORRECTLY TO THEM IT'S NOTHING TO BE WORRIED SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY YOU KNOW LIKE TONIGHT BOARDING ABOUT LCP TRACTOR PLEASE YOU KNOW I INVITE YOU TO BE A SEE OR TO WALK IN LAKE STREET AND NICOLLET TO SEE THE WORKFORCE WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE? WE HAVE SUBCONTRACTOR GENERAL COMPANIES THEY ARE PAYING IN CASH NOW WHAT SUNDAY AFTERNOON THEY CAN COMPLETED WORK GETTING PAY IN CASH AND THE NEXT MONDAY EVERYTHING IS DONE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU KNOW FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THE SCREW GUN WAS A DOOR PRIZE. I WASN'T SURE. SO THANK YOU TO OUR SPEAKERS AND GOOD PERSPECTIVES I APPRECIATE THAT COUNSEL I SAW EVERYONE WRITING FURIOUSLY DURING THE PRESENTATIONS AND WHEN WE GET TO THE QUESTIONS HERE IN THE CONVERSATION COUNCILMEMBER MEMBER ONE KICKS OFF I'M SURE I GUESS I A GENERAL QUESTION SO OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THE SPEAKERS OR ALL OF THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT WERE REPRESENTING THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY BUT SPECIFICALLY KIND OF MORE AROUND HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHEN WE ARE CONSIDERING CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE PREVAILING WAGE ORDINANCE. AAM ARE THE MAJORITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WOULD YOU SAY AND I DON'T KNOW SURE THE QUESTION YOU MAY REMEMBER IS THE WAY THE TERM PROJECT IS DEFINED IN THE PROPOSED NET PROPOSED THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS SORT OF AN ALL IN DEFINITION AS I MENTIONED SO THAT YOU COULD TRIM BACK ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED IT MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE MANY OF THE THE WORDS THAT ARE USED HERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE MINDAT TYPE PROJECTS AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THEIR SOURCES OF FUNDS. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION WORK HAPPENING IN THE HOUSING FIELD IN BLOOMINGTON THAT ALSO INCLUDES DEMOLITION WORK, REPAIR WORK. SO IT WOULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE HOUSING IF YOU WANTED TO TAILOR IT TO BE SOMETHING MORE BROADLY OR MORE NARROW. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD YOU KNOW, ALSO DEFER TO OUR PRESENTERS IF THEY HAD ANY SPECIFIC DATA POINTS ON THAT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL I HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION FOR THE 175,000 IS THAT THE TOTAL LIKE THAT IS THE TOTAL PROJECT COST OR IS THAT THE COST THAT THE CITY OF THE CITY FUNDING TO ME OR MEMBERS THAT ALSO A DEFINED TERM SO IT THE IT IS THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT SO IT'S THE TOTAL PROJECT AND WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF ANALYSIS INTERNALLY AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD SORT OF FLIP ON WITHIN THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING. AND AS YOU CAN EXPECT IF YOU SEE IT HERE AT THE COUNCIL IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT TRIGGERS THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER SIGNATURE SO I WILL OFFER THAT IT'S PRETTY QUICK PRETTY EASY TO GET TO 175 ON PROJECTS THAT SAID THERE A LOT OF SMALLER PROJECTS I MEAN I SIGNED ALL THE CONTRACTS AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SMALLER PROJECTS THAT THIS WOULDN'T COME ON FOR AND THOSE ARE OTHER ONES THAT YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER IS EXECUTING IN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SO OKAY. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S LIKE ONE CITY DOLLAR OR NOBODY REMEMBERS IT IS THAT THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT 275 AND THAT IT USES ONE AND THAT IT USES CITY FUNDS SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THE AMOUNT OF I GUESS RATE I MEAN IF IT'S $1 BUT THIS ONE ENTITY WHERE IT'S A DOLLAR BUT YEAH THANK YOU THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER WELL THANK YOU MAYOR AND SO KIND OF TO FOLLOW UP ON COSMO REQUIRES FROM THE DRAFT PROPOSAL SOUNDS LIKE OUR PMP WORK WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE PRESENTER SORRY I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW SUPPORTIVE OF PREVAILING WAGE FOR HOUSING BUT NOT SO MUCH MARKET RATE. STEVE SORRY MEAN SO I WOULD LOVE TO WHAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE YOU SEE BETWEEN FOR HOUSING VERSUS MARKET RATE WHEN IT COMES TO PREVAILING WAGE? MR. MAYOR CUSTOMER WHILE THE THE ISSUES THAT I IDENTIFY IN THE WORK THAT I DO THE MARKET RATE DEAL TYPICALLY WILL HAVE MORE THAN THE HOUSING ELEMENT TO IT. IT COULD HAVE OFFICE, IT COULD HAVE RETAIL AND SO YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT PREVAILING WAGE RATES. YOU COULD INFECT THE HOUSING PROJECT WITH THE COMMERCIAL WAGE RATE WHICH WOULD IMPAIR THE HOUSING ABILITY TO PAY THOSE WAGES. COERCIAL WAGES ARE MUCH HIGHER OFFICE IN PARTICULAR IF IT WAS A STANDALONE OFFICE PROJECT OR INDUSTRIAL PROJECT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IN PENCIL OUT IF THEY WERE PAYING COMMERCIAL WAGES. NOW OFFICE WORKING STEELWORK FOR INSTANCE THERE'S VERY LITTLE STILL WORK THAT ISN'T PREVAILING WAGE BUT A SMALLER OFFICE BUILDING OR A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT NOT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A COMMERCIAL WAGE RATE SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF MARKET RATE PROJECT YOU'RE DOING YOUR COMMUNITY AND WHY YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE TIFF FOR A MARKET RATE PROJECT YOU'RE AS I MENTIONED IN MY EARLY REMARKS YOU MIGHT BE ELIMINATING A POLLUTED SITE THAT HAS A COST BARRIER, YOU MIGHT BE ELIMINATING BLIGHT. THOSE ARE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES UNLIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH I LOOK AS SOMEWHAT OF A STANDARDIZED COMMODITY IN THE STATE I THINK YOU OKAY? YEAH AND I WANT HER TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE'VE DONE A LOT WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN BLOOMINGTON I CAN SEE IN THE FAR TOO DISTANT FUTURE THAT OUR MARKET RATE COMMERCIAL AREAS GOING TO BE COMING UP BUT THEY ALREADY ARE AND SO THE IMPACT THAT HAS ON OUR MARKET RATE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS NOT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS THAT THAT TRICKLE EFFECT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DISSUADE BUT ALSO WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER WORKS IN BLOOMINGTON FOR WHATEVER PROJECT LIVE OFF THE WAGE THAT THEY HAVE. SO I'M MR. MAYOR. IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN, THERE'S ONE OTHER ITEM I WOULD PUT INTO THE RECORD FOR YOU MARKET RATE TIFF PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A IF IT'S DONE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL OR BLIGHT REASONS IS A REHABILITATE DISTRICT UNDER THE DEBT OF THE STANDARD CHAPTER FOR 20 THAT'S A TEN YEAR DISTRICT OR A 15 YEAR DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO A 26 YEAR DISTRICT FOR HOUSING. A LOT OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PENCIL OUT AT THE SMALLER PAYBACK OF A TIFF ITEM SO YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO. THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN NELSON. YEAH, THANK MAYOR. JUST MY FIRST PART IT'S JUST ABOUT MORE DATA WITH REGARDS TO BLOOMINGTON. HOW MANY PROJECTS WITH THIS HAVE APPLIED TO LAST YEAR? HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD HAVE ALREADY REQUIRED PREVAILING WAGE BECAUSE THEY WERE RECEIVING STATE OR FEDERAL MONEY? SO HOW OF THESE WOULD BE NEWLY AND I DON'T FRANKLY EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD THAT'S JUST INFORMATION MEAN THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER APPRECIATE THAT SO IT'S JUST INFORMATION I NEED TO KNOW AS WE GO FORWARD YOU KNOW I DID HEAR AND I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION ON STORIES IN BLOOMINGTON IF WE HAD MORE DATA ON THE PROBLEM WITHIN BLOOMINGTON SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO FOLLOW UP ON THE TIFF QUESTION DOES IT APPLY TO AN ENTIRE PROJECT SO HOUSING TIFF GENERALLY PROVIDING IT TO GET THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. WE'VE ALSO USED TIFF ON COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AS SPEAKERS WAS TALKING TO TO BUILD A PARKING RAMP A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR TO DO PIPES AND ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE TIFF MONEY IS NOT GOING INTO THE COMMERCIAL OF THE PROJECT. SO IF WE PUT ANY TIFF MONEY INTO IT TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE DOES THIS KICK IN AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW? MR. BROOK MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS YES. IT'S IF WE'RE USING TIFF THEN THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER IT. I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN HELP SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOP TOO AND SO I JUST DROVE PAST A CERTAIN BUSINESS ON 90TH AND PIN THAT WE HAVE A TIFF AGREEMENT WITH FOR EXPANSION AND YOU KNOW THEY'VE GOT THEIR CONTRACTORS THERE ROLLING TODAY SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS BUT WE'RE DOING YOU KNOW FOR SMALL BUSINESS IT'S, NOT ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT ALL CITY PROJECTS. SO BUT IT WOULD APPLY BEYOND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE TIFF IS FUNDING THE REST OF THE PROJECT. WELL THANK YOU AND I COULD COUNCILMEMBER I ALSO WANT TO ADD I MEAN WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT TIFF BUT WE HAVE EXAMPLES WITH PLENTY OF EXAMPLES THROUGH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND I MEAN NOT TIFF WE HAVE FOR EXAMPLE THE LAND DEAL WE CUT WITH WITH SEC IS NOT NECESSARILY A TIFF IT'S JUST A BITE OUT OF THE LAND DEAL. YOU KNOW IT'S A THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE THAT THE PUBLIC MONEY OR THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT WOULD COULD BE RECORDED AND IT'S NOT JUST TIFF AGREED AGREED THAT THE I BROUGHT UP TIFF IS BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GO TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT TO THE PROJECT MR. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I IF I CAN INTERRUPT IN THE DEFINITIONS PAGE 53 CITY FUNDS THAT DETAILS EVERYTHING I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING SO YOU CAN GET IT ON THE RECORD. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON BUT JUST WANT TO DIRECT COUNCIL ATTENTION SO THAT THAT'S A FULL ACCOUNTING OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE CITY FUNDS SO AND SO LIKEWISE THIS WOULD COVER ANY PROJECT THE CITY JUST DOES ITSELF SO THAT BUILDING IN BRYANT PARK WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS OKAY IS THERE A PLAN TO THIS GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND PORT GIVEN ROLE OF PORT IN OUR LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND OBVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALMOST ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A STANDARD PRACTICE TO HAVE ORDINANCES GO THROUGH THEM FOR REVIEW AND CLARIFICATION AND INPUT IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN HERE? MAYOR REMEMBERS THE DEFINITION OF CITY JUST TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT IS RIGHT ABOVE THE DEFINITION OF CITY AND IT INCLUDES THE ESTUARY IN THE PORT. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S AN SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE CONVERSATION AND COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE OF IT'S A CITY ORDINANCE IN THE CITY CODE SO IT'S NOT TO BE CODIFIED IN ANY SORT OF LEGAL WAY FOR THE ESTUARY IN , THE PORT BUT CERTAINLY THE ESTUARY IN THE PORT TO FOLLOW THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES OF THE CITY TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THEM NOT HAVE EXCLUSIONS UNDER STATE LAW WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH MEMBERS OF THOSE STAFF ABOUT PREVAILING WAGE IN GENERAL ALREADY AND HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM. AMIR IN PARTICULAR HAS MET WITH ALL OF THEM BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY BRING IT THE BOARDS AS WELL. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY NEXT ITEM IS ACTUALLY SEVERAL THE INDIVIDUALS SPOKE TO THIS THAT YOU KNOW THE THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS CUTTING CORNERS THAT THERE ARE LABOR BROKERS YOU KNOW THAT ARE PAYING PEOPLE THERE'S CASH PAYMENTS TO PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE IF PEOPLE ARE BREAKING THE RULES. I TOTALLY AGREE WH THAT CAN'T COMPETE ON COST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LOWER COSTS AND ALL THAT. BUT I ALSO HEARD THE COMMENT THAT THIS DOESN'T RAISE THE PRICE SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU GET A LOWER PRICE BY CUTTING THE CORNERS BUT HOW DOES IT NOT RAISE THE PRICE IF THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED TO ME AND AGAIN I SHOULD NOT GET A LOWER PRICE BY CUTTING THE CORNERS. LET ME ADD THIS PART WE SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE WHERE WE TAKE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AND MEAN SOMETIMES I'M SHOCKED AT THE DIFFERENCE. I MEAN IT COULD BE 30% DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESPONSIBLE BUILDERS THAT ARE PROBABLY DOING ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT PROBABLY HAVE SOME LEVEL OF STATE FUNDING THAT PROBABLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING WAGES AND THEY CAN BE 30% DIFFERENT. AND SO I Y KNOW, I'M HARD PRESSED TO SEE THAT ALL OF THE COST DIFFERENCES ARE SIMPLY BASED ON PEOPLE BREAKING EXISTING LAWS. SO HOW DO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT GOING RAISE THE PRICE AND THAT ALL OF THE COST DIFFERENCES ARE PEOPLE CHEATING THE SYSTEM REALLY CAN HELP US. MR. NELSON COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I BELIEVE MY TEST WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAT. I SAID THE COSTS WHEN COMPARING LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS LEGITIMATE EMPLOYERS IS NEGLIGIBLE. AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE EXACT WORDS IT'S IN THERE WHEN YOU COMPARE AN ILLEGITIMATE EMPLOYER WHO DOESN'T PAY PAYROLL TAXES, DOESN'T WORKER'S COMP INSURANCE AND PAYS CASH WHICH IS AGAIN AGAINST THE LAW UNLESS THE REPORTING ON A W-2 WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PAY CASH IF YOU DID THAT BUT WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS YES, THE COST DIFFERENCE IS THERE NO EMPLOYER THAT THAT DOES THOSE THINGS THAT PAYS TAXES PAYS WORKERS AND AND DOESN'T PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES CASH ALSO HAS BENEFITS THAT. YOU PRETTY MUCH NEED TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE WORKFORCE. MM HMM. WHEN YOU DON'T WHEN YOU CIRCUMVENT THOSE THINGS. YEAH, NOBODY CAN COMPETE AGAINST THAT. THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS COMPARING TO LEGITIMATE. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. I THINK MY CONCERN IS I SEE LEGITIMATE CONTRACTORS COME TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND PUT THEIR BIDS BEFORE US AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PRICE DIFFERENCES THERE AND SO THERE HAVE TO BE OTHER THINGS BEYOND JUST THIS CHEATING THAT OR YOU KNOW, VIOLATIONS OF EXISTING LAWS THAT'S HAPPENING. I GUESS I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE IF YOU HAVE A WAGE STANDARD IN PLACE YOU'RE ALL OPERATING UNDER THE SAME THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS THAT'S PART OF MY CHALLENGE IS ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS PREVAILING WAGE IN MY MIND IT'S THE WAGE STANDARD AND IT'S THE MORE ROBUST SYSTEM TO CATCH WAGE THEFT AND I SEE THOSE AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS THAT THAT THIS DOES I MEAN PREVAILING WAGE SETS AS OPPOSED TO THE EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP SETTING WAGES FIRST AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WAGE THEFT WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, IF A CONTRACTOR WAS PAYING, YOU KNOW, ONE GROUP OF EMPLOYEES 40, $50 AN HOUR AND THEY HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE TWO DECADES OF EXPERIENCE AND WEREN'T COULDN'T DO THE MOST COMPLEX PROJECTS COULD BUT COULD HANDLE THIS PROJECT AND THEY WERE MAKING 30, $35 AN HOUR AND THEY HAD THAT LABOR FORCE AND THE OTHER PERSON ONLY HAD THE HIGHER MORE EXPENSIVE FORCE. YEAH. I MEAN ARE THEY ARE THEY DOING SOMETHING WRONG USING THE RIGHT LABOR FORCE? I THINK I COULD UNDERSTAND SORRY MR. NELSON CALLED SENATOR NELSON. MR. NELSON I THINK I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT SAYING IN THE DIFFERENCES WHAT I THINK YOU NEED UNDERSTAND IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WAGES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH HERE AND WHAT WE'RE REPRESENTING IN THE MISCLASSIFICATION IN WAGE THEFT PRACTICES IS PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF $50 AN HOUR IN REALITY TO WHAT A LEGITIMATE EMPLOYER PAYS VERSUS CASH PAYER THESE ARE DIFFERENCES IN MY EXPERIENCE $10 AN HOUR AND DIFFERENCE IN PAY IS WHAT THE INDUSTRY OPERATES IN . SO IN OTHER WORDS IF I'M PAYING AN EMPLOYEE $50 AN HOUR AND SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO UNDERCUT AND PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICE FOR $3 AN HOUR IN ALL LIKELIHOOD THAT $30 AN HOUR EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO FIND HIS WAY OUT OF MY PAYROLL PRETTY QUICK. THAT'S THE REALITY. THAT'S THAT'S THE COMPETITION THAT'S IN PLACE. AND SO I THINK IT'S THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAGE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU GO TO THE MISCLASSIFICATION PIECE VERSUS A LEGITIMATE EMPLOYER IS SO SIGNIFICANT IN REALITY THERE IS NO COMPETITION FOR IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE AND AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND YOU KNOW AGAIN I RAISED THIS LAST TIME THAT YOU KNOW, MY I MEAN THOSE ARE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE STATE LAWS ALREADY AND IS IT OUR ROLE AS A CITY TO STEP IN AND DO THE COMPLIANCE? AND SO MY MY LAST QUESTION BUT NOT FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR REMARKS AND FEEDBACK IS SORRY I FORGOT I WAS TRYING TO BE POLITE NICE AND SAY SORRY FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO MY LAST QUESTION SO I'LL RESERVE MY RIGHT TO THINK COME BACK TO THAT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAD A FOLLOW UP TO ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER YEAH, SO JUST BUILDING ON THE REQUEST, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON ASKED HOW MANY OF THE PROJECTS LAST YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE LOCAL PREVAILING WAGE AND I GUESS I WOULD BE CURIOUS EVEN WITHIN THOSE YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE GETTING STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT AND SO YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE HOW MANY WOULD WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT THE ADDED THE ADDED BENEFIT SOME OF YOUR I'LL I'LL OFFER THAT WE DID ASK FOR THOSE NUMBERS WE HAD THEM FROM BEFORE WE HAD A DIFFERENT SORT OF CUT ON THEM FOR DOLLAR AMOUNT SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU A NUMBER THAT REPRESENTS SORT OF THE TOTALITY OF YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE WE WERE BASING ON SOME DIFFERENT KIND OF DATA POINTS WHEN WE HAD A QUICK RUN OF IT WE WORKED WITH PROCUREMENT AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THE 175 IS A LITTLE BIT HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW IF IT CAME TO YOU ALL THAT IT WAS OVER THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WITH REGARD TO THE GRANTS EVERY TIME WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT WE BRING IT HERE AND GET AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. SO THE TYPES OF GRANT APPLICATIONS LOOK ALL LCD A YOU KNOW KBRA THOSE KINDS OF GRANTS, THOSE WOULD ALL FALL INTO THIS AS WELL AND AND AND WE'LL GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. I THANK YOU. AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON ASKED ABOUT PLANNING AN IMPORTANT I WOULD ADD HRA AND YOU DID SAY HRA COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAS ONE MORE THAN OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO . YEAH SO JUST REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS THE ONE WITH THE STAR RIGHT HERE SO IT ONE THAT COMPLICATED WHAT WERE THE INTERNAL COST TO THE CITY B FOR COMPLY THAT'S AND THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER TONIGHT AS WELL BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT MAY REMEMBER I DO KNOW THAT I'M CERTAIN REMEMBER THE DATE IT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME WE WOULD NEED TO PURCHASE LCP TRACKER WHICH I THINK IS 12 GRAND I THINK WAS WHAT THE NUMBER WAS AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST FOR STAFF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE A MERE IN LAW POOL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABSORB THAT AND WE PREDICTED THAT WOULD WH THE STATEWIDE DEPLOYMENT OF EARNED SICK AND SAVE TIME WOULD CAUSE GREATER COMPLIANCE AND SO WE BELIEVE WE CAN ABSORB IT WITH EXISTING STAFF CAPACITY AND THE ADD WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S THAT'S ACCURATE I'M GETTING NODS FROM HERE THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE HIGHER KNOW I THINK IT WAS LIKE 18 19,000 AND I THINK IT WAS COMING DOWN TO AROUND 15. OKAY SO IT'S A THANK AMIR AMIR SAID 18 FOR THE FIRST YEAR TO PURCHASE AND THEN 15 AFTER THAT AND THAT AGAIN IS THE THE PAYROLL SOFTWARE THAT'S REQUIRED AND THAT IS THE ESTIMATE BASED ON REACHING OUT TO THE OTHER ENTITIES THIS LCP PERSPECTIVES THAT WAS OFFERED TONIGHT BY A PRESENTER BECAUSE OF USING SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND WHY THESE USED IN THE MARKET WE THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR ENHANCED COMPLIANCE AND JUST EASE OF YOU KNOW ENTERING DATA . THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IS YOU KNOW IS IT AVAILABLE THE STATE CONTRACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO GET IT LESS EXPENSIVE BUT OUR INITIAL CUT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT COUNCILMEMBER I'LL GET YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. LOOKS LIKE MR. WATKINS SOMETHING TO ADD HERE. WELL, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T THANK THANK YOU, MAYOR BUSSEY. AND IF I COULD JUST RESPOND QUICKLY A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, TO TO I THINK HELP ANSWER YOUR YOUR QUESTION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW QUICK POINTS. FIRST IN TERMS OF LOOKING FROM THE SORT OF PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH ANGLE AND WE PASSED OUT, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WEALTH OF PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH THAT SHOWING LITTLE TO NO IMPACT AND I THINK THAT CAN BE REALLY CONFUSING WHY THAT WOULD BE AND SO ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAY HEAVY HIGHWAY WORK AND YOU GENERALLY HAVE SOPHISTICATED COMPETING THEY'RE PLAYING BY THE RULES PAYING WORKERS COMP AND THEN THERE'S WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT AND YOU HAVE PREVAILING WAGE AND YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY LEVEL PLAYING FIELD THAT THE SLATE COST IMPACT THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON WAGES ARE MORE THAN MADE UP FOR BY OTHER EFFICIENCIES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE IN GENERAL YOU SEE THIS LIMITED COST IMPACT BECAUSE THE CONTRACTORS BRAND PREVAILING WAGES HAVE YOU KNOW HIGHLY TRAINED WORKFORCE HAVE GONE THROUGH REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM GAINING ALL THESE EFFICIENCIES. NOW THE CHALLENGE WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPACE AND WHERE RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE FOR EXAMPLE HINKLE AND BELMONT IN 2021 IN CALIFORNIA IS THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT'S SO RIFE WITH SORT OF IT HAS A LOWER BARRIER TO ENTRY YOU A LOT OF WHAT CARLOS SPOKE TO IN TERMS OF PEOPLE JUMPING IN PICKUP TRUCKS DOING A DRYWALL OR FRAMING JOB AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A WILD WEST AND SO BELMAN AND THESE TWO RESEARCHERS EVEN CONSIDERING THAT FOUND A VERY LIMITED COST IMPACT IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET BUT THEY ULTIMATELY CONCLUDED THAT IT'S SO HARD TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE COMPARE PREVAILING WAGE TO BECAUSE OF HOW RIFE THAT INDUSTRY IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOUSING SPACE IS WITH KIND OF INSTITUTIONALIZED WAGE THEFT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE FIND IN MINNESOTA ESPECIALLY IN HOUSING THAT YOU KNOW, ABOUT 20% OF MINNESOTA CONSTRUCTION WORKERS EXPERIENCE THEFT. IT'S EXTREMELY BAD IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AND HOUSING SPACE GENERALLY. SO IT IS VERY HARD TO ESTABLISH THAT BASELINE OF COMPARISON. BUT WE KNOW FROM A WEALTH OF PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH THAT THERE'S VERY LIMITED COST IMPACT AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S SO BECAUSE PRACTICES ARE SO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN THE INDUSTRY YOU COULD HIRE 100 MORE DL HIGH INVESTIGATORS AND YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO ROOT OUT THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST PLAYING WHAC-A-MOLE. SO YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO DO THAT PREVENTION AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO EXCELLENT ABOUT LCP TRACKER IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR PAYROLL AND ALL YOUR INFORMATION IT SCARES AWAY. THEY DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH IT AND THEN YOU HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WHERE FRAN CAN COMPETE AND YEAH YOU'LL SEE BID VARIATIONS BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPETING ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND THEY'RE TRYING FIND EFFICIENCIES ELSEWHERE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS TO ANSWER YOUR THANK YOU MR. FRANCONIA APOLOGIZE SO I TOOK THE 5050 SHOT I AM SORRY SIR. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR FOR YOUR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING DISCUSSION. ONE JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME I ASSUME THAT ANY ORDINANCE WE PASSED WOULD BE FOR PROJECTS FUNDED OR IN PART BY THE CITY BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE A LINE BETWEEN THAT AND ANY STATE REGULATION MEANING ARE THIS IS US COVERING PROJECTS THAT OTHERWISE AREN'T COVERED BECAUSE THEY'RE OR FEDERAL MONEY INVOLVED MY CORRECT ON THAT ASSUMPTION YOU MENTION MAYOR MEMBERS I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IN PART BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS FOR EXAMPLE HAVE YOU KNOW 10 TO 20 SOURCES OF FUNDS OFTENTIMES STATE, FEDERAL AND LOCAL. SO IS YOUR QUESTION WHETHER THERE WOULD BE SORT OF PREEMPTION OR OKAY, SO THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES CONFLICT. SO WE TRY AND PULL IT UP IN FRONT OF ME HERE LOOKING THROUGH THE PHOTOS OF IT. IT'S TOWARDS THE END AND ESSENTIALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IN IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUED TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH OTHER REGULATIONS ON THIS MATTER SO WE'RE GOING TO READ OUR ORDINANCE TO BE TO NOT GET IN THE WAY OF PROVISION THAT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL LEVEL ON PREVAILING WAGE AND ON LABOR MATTERS SO IF IT'S MINDAT PROJECT THEY HAVE PREVAILING WAGE THEN IT'S GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO PAY PREVAILING WAGE ON THAT PROJECT AND IT'S ALL THE SAME WAGE BECAUSE IT'S STRICTLY SO IT SHOULD BE I THINK IT SHOULD WORK OUT AND IF NOT WELL WE'LL READ THE LAW SO THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THEN IF THERE IS A COMBO PLATTER TYPE SITUATION HERE WHERE WE HAVE WHAT IS THE OBLIGATION THE DEVELOPER THEN TO PROVIDE US VIA LCP TRACKER DATA AND THE STATE AND THE FEDS AND LIKE ARE ARE WE COMPOUNDING THEIR THEIR STRUGGLE IF YOU WILL TO COMPLY BY ASKING THEM FOR THE SAME DATA MULTIPLE TIMES ACROSS THIS WHOLE OR IS THAT NOT REALLY NECESSARY? DO WE AVOID DOING THAT SOMEHOW? I THINK THAT MAY OR MAY BE A QUESTION FOR ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS. OKAY. YES, YOU WERE TALKING WHO TAKES THE LEAD IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SAY THE FEDS AND THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE ARE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE THEN COMPOUNDED ON THE DEVELOPER. YEAH, I'VE SEEN THIS IN MINNEAPOLIS IN SAINT PAUL. TYPICALLY THE FEDS WILL TAKE A LEAD POSITION IF THE FEDS ARE IN IT IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND THEY WILL MONITOR THROUGH LCP TRACKER SAME WAY SO THE SAME COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TO GET INTO IT A LITTLE DEEPER THEY'LL PROBABLY MONITOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SCRUTINY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE TO MONITOR IT. YEAH MAKES SENSE IT DOES OKAY THERE WAS ONE OTHER TERM IN HERE THAT I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO HAVE A KIND OF A SENSE OF WHAT IT MEANT I GUESS IS THE IS THE IS THE EXPECTATION OF COVERED PERSONS MEANT TO BE BROAD IN ITS SCOPE OR IS IT IS IT INTENDED TO BE LIKE WE GOT A LIST EXPLICITLY THE CONTRACTOR AS PART OF THE DEAL TERMS AND THAT THAT'S THE LIST WE'RE USING TO DEFINE COVERED PERSONS FOR THIS SITUATION MAY REMEMBERS IT IS INTENDED TO BE INCLUSIVE AND IT IS ADDRESSED WHEN PEOPLE WHEN THE CONTRACTORS HAVE TO UPLOAD THEIR INFORMATION TO LCP TRACKER IS BY INDIVIDUAL WORKER IS MY UNDERSTANDING OKAY INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL WORK INDIVIDUAL WORKER OKAY SO THERE'S SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF YOU KNOW WHAT MARCEL WAS REFERRING TO LIKE CONCEPT OF DAY LABORERS RATE MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE THEN THAT THEY'RE THAT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT ANYBODY ON SITE THAT MAY QUALIFY MAY FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF MORE OF A DAY LABORER WOULDN'T WOULD IT BE IN OUR SYSTEM AND SO IN WHAT IS THE RECONCILIATION PROCESS THERE HOW DOES THAT GENERALLY WORK MAY YOUR MEMBERS I I IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR CORRECT YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY I BELIEVE THERE ARE SITE VISITS THAT HAPPEN AND THEY COMPARE SORT OF WHO SHOULD WORKING ON THE PROJECT BASED ON WHERE IT'S AT IN ITS PHASING AND WHO'S ON THE PROJECT OKAY. WITH WHAT'S BEING REPORTED OKAY. AND THAT'S THE PART OF THIS THAT WE'RE TAKING ON THROUGH AMIR AND THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IS THE PART THAT'S BEING ABSORBED HERE MAY REMEMBER IS CORRECT YES THERE WILL NEED TO OCCASIONALLY BE AND WE'VE DONE SOME AMIR HAS DONE THE ROYAL WEEK AMIR OUR PEOPLE HAVE DONE OUTREACH TO OUR STAFF TO GET A SENSE OF HOW IT'S WORKING ON THE PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE ALREADY DOING SITE VISITS RELATED TO SIMILAR TYPE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN TRYING TO FIND PROCESS THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE MORE BROADLY AND THEN ALSO WORKING TO MIMIC IT'S A BEST PRACTICE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES SO WE AREN'T WE AREN'T TRYING TO BE SPECIAL OR UNIQUE. WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S THE BEST PRACTICES IN THE FIELD. RIGHT? OKAY, TWO VERY QUICK THINGS THEN. ONE IS I NOTICE THAT EVERYONE CAME TONIGHT SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THIS WHETHER IT WAS OR ANYBODY THAT WE CONTACTED THAT THAT WE WERE EXPECTED TO HEAR THAT ISN'T IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND DID THEY NOT SHOW UP OR I MEAN SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT THAT'S A SIGN OF SOMETHING OR ? DID WE JUST NOT CONTACT THEM? I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT THE PROCESS WAS TO ENGAGE FOLKS TO COME TONIGHT. SO WE I'M HAPPY THAT WE DON'T A BALANCE DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M GLAD THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THIS. THIS IS GREAT BUT. I'M WONDERING IF WE TRIED TO GET A BALANCED OPINION MANY WE DEFINITELY DID. WE TRIED VERY HARD. I THINK THAT YOU DID SEE SOME NUANCE IN HERE, SOME NUANCE IN SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND WE WELCOMED AND ENCOURAGED THAT NUANCE W WORKED HARD TO GET FOLKS WE WE WANTED TO GET PRESENTERS THAT ARE IN THIS MARKETPLACE. WE WANTED TO GET SOMEONE WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH BLOOMINGTON WHO HAS DONE WORK IN BLOOMINGTON AND THEN WE WANTED TO GET PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING HIGHLY REGARDED RESEARCH AND WORK IN THE AREA AND AND I THINK THAT WE WE BEING AMIR AND LAURA WHO BROUGHT TOGETHER YOU KNOW THEY CHECK THOSE BOXES SO WHEN YOU ARE DOING THE RESEARCH AND YOU KEEP FINDING ARTICLES SORT OF REFERRING TO THE SAME PEOPLE FROM A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES YOU KNOW, AMIR CAN TELL YOU I ASKED FREQUENTLY TO HIM NOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A BALANCED OPINION AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINK WHO ARE THEIR FUNDERS, WHO'S ON THEIR BOARD LIKE LOOKING AND DOING DEEP RESEARCH ON ON THE FOLKS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRYING TO GIVE US BALANCE OF A PERSPECTIVE AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BEGINNING THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE RIGHT. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAY I WE WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR US TO FOR THIS TO COME BACK AS A PROPOSED THING DO WE KNOW? WELL I THINK IF IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PORT PLANNING AND HRA IT'S GOING TO BE YEAH IT'S GOING TO BE A FEW WEEKS YET. OKAY WELL I JUST APPRECIATE THIS WORK A LOT AND I I THINK YOU KNOW I'M CERTAINLY OF THE OPINION IF SOMEBODY COMING IN ASKING US TO HELP SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT IT HELPS THEM GET TO A A PRICE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD I'D HOPE THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING THEIR PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT WORKS FOR ME AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TO BRING MORE SPECIFICITY. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO I AGREE IN TERMS THE TIMING THAT IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL BODIES OF THE CITY WHO ARE INVOLVED IN CONTRACTING AND AND PROJECTS THAT IT WILL TAKE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BUT I'D ALSO LOOK FOR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF A LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. I KNOW THAT OUR OUR TEAM HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF REACHING OUT AND HAS TALKED TO PROBABLY 50 PEOPLE OR SO. BUT IF IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE ARE VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED IN THE CONVERSATION AND YOU WANT US TO TRY AND SOLICIT THOSE. I THINK UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE ENGAGEMENT EXPECTATIONS ARE SO WE CAN FACTOR THAT IN AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER THE ALEXANDRA MENTIONED WHEN REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CONTACTED TO GIVE THEIR OPINION IN REGARDS TO THIS I WAS SPEAKING FROM WHAT HEARD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION IN REGARDS TO IT. AND I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION TO WHOEVER HAS THE ANSWER OUT THERE WHEN IT COMES TO COMPETITION HOW DO YOU EVALUATE COMPETITION AMONG THE CONTRACTORS OUT THERE IF YOU ARE FOR A PREVAILING WAGE? BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESSES COMPETITION ALWAYS HEALTHY AND AS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE DISPARITY IN THE CONTRACTS OR THE THE OFFERS THAT I BROUGHT TO THE CITY AND NOT ONLY TO THE CITY FOR THE THAT WE GET OUTSIDE IN OUR JOBS IS THAT COMPANIES USUALLY HAD A TENDENCY TO GO FOR THE LOWER I GOT FORGOT THE WORD RIGHT NOW THE LOWER BID TO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT SO HOW CAN WE ALLOW A HEALTHY COMPETITION IF WE ARE IN A FEW WARS SPONSORING BUSINESSES THAT ARE JUST REPRESENTED AT THIS POINT CAN ANYBODY I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR MR. IN AND THEN MR. WATKINS MR. MAYOR COUNCILMAN RIVERS I'LL A SHOT AS THE DEVELOPER I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING THE CONTRACTOR THE ARCHITECT BUT I MAKE A DECISION TO CHOOSE A CONTRACTOR BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND BASED IN FOR MY BUSINESS I MAKE A DECISION CHOOSE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S A UNION SIGNATORY. I DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION. I EXPECT WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT MY WORK SITE I'LL HAVE A CERTAIN PROPORTION OF A MASTER, A JOURNEYMAN AND AN APPRENTICE RATIO WITH WELL-TRAINED PEOPLE AND I'LL BENEFIT MAYBE SLIGHTLY HIGHER WAGES BUT I'LL BENEFIT WITH EFFICACY WHERE THE PROJECT WILL BE BUILT IN 13 MONTHS INSTEAD OF 15 MONTHS OR 16 MONTHS. IF I GO TO A NONUNION CONTRACTOR SO I MAKE THAT DECISION IN THE OPEN MARKETPLACE THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME PREVAILING WAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PREVAILING WAGE IS. IT'S THE AVERAGE WHAT'S BEING PAID IN THE MARKETPLACE. BUT I MIGHT PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE PREMIUM FOR THE EFFICACY AND THE DELIVERY OF A SKILLED WORKFORCE THAT I THINK IS SLIGHTLY BETTER TRAINED THAN A GROUP THAT MIGHT NOT BE AND THAT'S A DECISION I MAKE AS A BUSINESS DECISION AND I THINK I'M BETTER OFF FOR IT. BUT THERE ARE CLEARLY A NUMBER OF COMPETITORS WHO ARE BOTH UNION AND NONUNION WHO WILL PAY WAGE AND SO I THINK THERE WILL BE AND THERE BE NO LOSS IN UPTAKE IN TERMS OF THE DELIVERY OF QUALITY OF WORK IN YOUR CITY RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MINISTER WATKINS THANK YOU AND COUNCILMAN RIVAS SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ASKING IS IS THERE ANY IMPACT ON BID COMPETITION ASSOCIATED WITH PREVAILING WAGE? IF I COULD KIND OF REFRAME YOUR QUESTION AND THERE AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THAT THAT I DIDN'T BRING ALL OF IT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG STACK OF STUFF BUT. THERE ARE THERE HAVE BEEN RESEARCH STUDIES THAT HAVE EXAMINED THAT IS YOU KNOW, HOW MANY AVERAGE BIDDERS YOU GET IN NON PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS VERSUS PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THERE IS IT'S BASICALLY A WASH IT'S MAYBE A DIFFERENCE OF A PERCENT OR TWO AT MOST. SO AGAIN THE IMPACT ON ON BID COMPETITION IN THE PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT PREVAILING WAGE DOES NOT RESTRICT BIDS, IT DOESN'T REDUCE COMPETITION AGAIN IT JUST MAKES THAT COMPETITION MORE FAIR BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF BIDS THAT MUNICIPAL ENTITIES ARE RECEIVING FOR THOSE I'M GOING TO GET THAT IS THAT'S RESEARCH THAT'S BASED ON COMPARING, YOU KNOW, LARGE BATCHES OF PJECTS THAT CARRY PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS COMPARED AGAINST SIMILAR TYPE PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T CARRY THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN SEEING THE DIFFERENCE THAT HAPPENS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE TWO GROUPS AND AGAIN BOTH OF THEM HAD SIMILAR LEVELS OF BIDDING AS WELL AND THAT WAS I IF I CAN JUMP SECOND TO YOUR COUNCILMAN NELSON YOUR QUESTION JUST ABOUT KIND HOW THAT RESEARCH WORKS IS THAT I UNDERSTAND KIND OF THAT CONFUSION YOU SEE THAT YOU GET FOUR BIDS AND THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF NUMBERS THERE. THE RESEARCH THAT WE PRESENTED THAT'S IN THAT TABLE THERE AND GOING TO BE HAPPY TO SHARE FULL STUDIES IF ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO TO DIG INTO THAT STUFF IT'S YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE BIDS RECEIVED WITHIN PROJECT AS YOU COMPARE WINNING LOW BIDS TO WINNING LOW BIDS YOU'RE KIND OF LEAVING OUT THE OTHER NUMBERS AND THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS IS THERE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE WINNING LOW BIDS ON A PROJECT THAT WAS COVERED BY PREVAILING COMPARED TO THOSE WINNING LOW BIDS AND PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PREVAILING WAGE? AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM IN THAT WAY THE WINNING BIDS THAT THERE IS NO NO DIFFERENCE IN OVERALL COST ON THOSE EXCEPT FOR THOSE AND AGAIN THOSE ARE NOTED IN THE TABLE THOSE PARTICULARLY IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THOSE NON PREVAILING WAGE PROJECTS ARE CHARACTERIZED BY ALSO HIGH LEVELS OF EXPLOITATION AND ABUSE AND PAYROLL FRAUD AND THAT KIND OF WHICH IS WHY YOU TEND TO SEE IN MOST TYPES OF PROJECTS LIKE HIGHWAY HEAVY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION, THOSE SORTS OF SUBSETS OF MUNICIPAL PROJECTS YOU TEND TO SEE A IT'S JUST A ZERO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE AND IT'S REALLY ONLY YOU ONLY START TO SEE THOSE MAINLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR IT FOR THAT REASON THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT RESEARCH IS STUDY AND SO I CAN KIND OF I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT CONFUSION CAN ARISE FROM AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY AND LOOK RELY THAT HIGH QUALITY RESEARCH THAT'S LOOKING AT HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS BIDS WITH IT WITHIN A STATE AND THEN LIKE THAT 2018 STUDY THAT YOU WERE ALL PROVIDED THAT WAS LOOKING AT K-THROUGH-12 CONSTRUCTION IN THE TWIN CITIES METRO AND SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS USE IT AND SOME DON'T AND SO WHERE THEY CALL IT A NATURAL EXPERIMENT IN THE TERM SO IT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THESE DISTRICTS THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE LARGELY DEMOGRAPHICALLY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, IN MEANINGFUL WAYS THEY'REAIRLY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROJECTS THAT HAD PREVAILING WAGE COMPARED TO THE PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T AND AGAIN THEY FOUND THAT THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN PRICE THERE THOUGH THERE WAS DIFFERENCE IN OF LIKE LOCAL CONTRACTORS WINNING LOW BIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I HOPE THAT THAT PROVIDES SOME MORE CLARITY ON JUST KIND OF HOW THE RESEARCH IS IS CONDUCTED ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND WHY WE MAKE THAT HAVE ARRIVED THAT CONCLUSION THAT IT DOESN'T RAISE COSTS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR. YES. AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW, GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS THE BOTH THE COMPETITION AND I AGREE WITH YOU COMPETITION IS GREAT FOR EVERYBODY WHEN WE HAVE COMPETITION WE ARE YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE BETTER AND WE LEARN FOR PREVAILING WHICH IS KNOW ABOUT WE ARE NOT HERE AND I YOU KNOW, I'M I AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM WE ARE NOT HERE ABOUT GAINING MORE WORK, HAVING MORE PROJECTS. WE ARE HERE FOR THE WORKFORCE TO IMPROVE BUILDING WHICH IS NOT JUST PAYING MORE OR PAIN OVER OF YOU KNOW ALL THE COMPETITION PREVAILING IS WHICH HAS THESE PACKAGE ABOUT A BIG PACKAGE YOU HAVE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE PAIN FROM DIFFERENT TEACHERS BUT ALSO YOU GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OUR EMPLOYEES TO GO TO A SCHOOL. WE HAVE IN OUR EXPERIENCE PRODUCTION RIGHT WELL WE HAVE SEVERAL APPRENTICE AND THEY YOU KNOW THEY CAN GO TO A SCHOOL THEY DIDN'T THEY COMPLETE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO GO YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IN A SCHOOL BUT THEY ARE VERY IS SMART. THEY WANT TO FOLLOW THEIR DREAM IN PREVAILING WHICH GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEM TO KEEP US COMING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT LEVEL OF THEM. CURRENTLY A PROJECT MANAGER HERE START WITH US FIVE YEARS AGO SO PREVAILING WHICH IS NORMAL TO HAVE MORE MORE BREAKS I WOULD LOVE TO YES BUT THIS IS MORE ABOUT GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND JUST YOU KNOW BUT I'M AGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT COMPETITION. GREAT. HELP US TO BE BETTER BUYER IS MORE ABOUT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT COMPETITION. THANK YOU YOU COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN . THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST I WANT TO ADD ON TO SOME OF THE FOR INFORMATION HERE SO NOW LOOKING FOR THESE ANSWERS TODAY I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT'S THAT WE WE HAVE THAT COMES TO THE CITY FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT THAT USE CITY DOLLARS THAT IS NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT IS JUST ON MIXED USE AND IT CAN BE BOTH ABOVE THAT 175,000 THRESHOLD AND BELOW THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT AND THEN I THINK I HEARD THIS BUT I WANTED TO TO JUST UNDERSTAND FROM A CATEGORICAL STANDPOINT THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE UNDER THE $175,000 I WANTED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE AND IF THEY'RE COVERED BY EITHER FEDERAL WAGE OR STATE PREVAILING WAGE OR SOME OTHER PIECE ON THAT OF THOSE QUESTIONS MAKE SENSE ME REMEMBER YEAH, FOR THE MOST PART I'M OBVIOUSLY GOING TO LISTEN TO ALL THIS TOO AND CERTAINLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH, I THINK I THINK MY BIG TAKEAWAY FROM THE QUESTIONS I'M HEARING ME REMEMBER IS IS YOU WANT TO SEE SOME DATA BREAKING OUT WHAT WE HAVE AS MANY WAYS AS POSSIBLE BY PROJECT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE WILL WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THAT AND WE WE WILL STRATIFY THE NUMBERS AND GET YOU WHAT WE CAN WHAT WE'VE GOT AND JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS THE NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE MARKET RATE. YEAH THOSE THOSE THOSE ARE THOSE PIECES AND THEN I AM INTERESTED YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PIECE BECAUSE THAT WAS BROUGHT BY ONE OF THE PRESENTERS WITH REGARD TO BUY WITH STEVE AND THEN WHO BROUGHT FORWARD THIS IDEA THAT IF WE HAVE PREVAILING WAGE WITH WITH RESPECT THAT THAT WILL HINDER OR AT LEAST WAY I'M HEARING IT WILL HINDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE OR MIGHT MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO PENCIL PROJECTS AND I WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS PARTICULAR POLICY THAT'S PROPOSED HERE WHAT WOULD BE WITH THAT AND THAT AGAIN COULD BE AN OFFLINE OF THING BUT I SUPPORT THAT AND THEN JUST I'VE GOT JUST SOME HERE THAT I WANT TO JUST HAVE A JUST SO I CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WE'RE DOING HERE AND SO JUST STOP ME IF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS INCORRECT. SO WITH THE HOME LOAN PROGRAM EACH ONE OF THOSE LOANS IN THEMSELVES WITH THE WAY THAT THE DRAFT WRITTEN TODAY WOULD BE INTO CITY EXPENSES THAT WOULD BE UNDER THAT $75,000 EACH ONE OF THOSE LOANS THAT WE WE DO WITH WITH THE HOME LOAN PROGRAM IT'S NOT IN TOTAL LIKE THE OUR PMP PROJECT WOULD BE MAY REMEMBER ARE YOU REFERRING TO HRA? YEAH I AM HRA DOLLARS YEAH SO THEY'RE THEY I BELIEVE THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE SET UP AS A REIMBURSEMENT AND SO AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THOSE THERE'S WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF LINE I JUST IT'S JUST I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT MEANS AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER 175,000 IF YOU'RE ON ONE LOT CAN YOU AND AGAIN I DON'T AN RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING COULD YOU SAY OKAY I'M GOING TO DO ONE PROJECT HERE ON THE LOT ANOTHER PROJECT ANOTHER PROJECT THAT KEEPS EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS UNDER THE $175,000 THRESHOLD BECAUSE SEPARATE PROJECTS BUT THEY'RE ON THE SAME LOT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD OPERATE WITH THIS THE WAY THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS IS WRITTEN AND THEN SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE THERE AND I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE A COUPLE OF PRESENTERS IF I COULD DO THOSE RELATIVELY QUICKLY I'LL JUST PACKAGE THESE ALL INTO ONE MEASURE BEFORE YOU GO ON I'M GONNA ASK MR. BOOGIE TO JUMP HERE TO COMMENT ON ONE OF YOUR EARLIER QUESTIONS. MR. COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER AND JUST ON THE MIXED USE ONE I JUST REAL QUICKLY REMINDER THAT MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LIKELY GOING TO BE CITY PROJECTS THAT FOR THE MOST PART ARE NOT USING TAX INCREMENT TO FACILITATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SAY FOR THE MOST PART SO THE MIXED USE IT'S PRETTY SHORT LIST. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION WHERE THE FORMER GROCERY STORE WENT IN AS PART OF THE CARBON 31 PROJECT OVER THERE THAT'S THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF MIXED USE BUT THERE AREN'T A WHOLE BUNCH OF THOSE SO WE MAY DO YOU KNOW ONE ONE OF THOSE A YEAR OR SOMETHING MORE SO TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M AIMING AT IS ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH ON THAT LYNDALE AVENUE THAT RETROFITTING I'M CONCERNED AS WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF MARCH OUR WAY U AND DOWN THOSE PIECES. SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN SOUTHTOWN I IMAGINE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT PLAN IS WRITTEN WE WOULD SEE SOME MIXED THERE. WE'LL ALSO SEE ADDITIONAL MIXED USE WE GO OVER BY THE MALL OF AMERICA AND ON OTHERS AND SO THOSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I THINK THE ROOT OF MY QUESTION IS I THINK HERE HEARING OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS ASKING THAT ESPECIALLY WHERE RESIDENTIAL IS INCLUDED WITH WITHIN THAT MIXED USE YEAH AGAIN MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS THOSE THOSE TIFF AGREEMENTS ARE OFTEN PROVIDING FUNDING FOR DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF A PROJECT SOME WHICH WOULD BE ELIGIBLE SOME OF WHICH WOULD NOT BE BUT YOU KNOW IF IT'S IF WE'RE PROVIDING FUNDS INTO A PROJECT IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE A PROJECT THAT HAS AFFORDABILITY COMBINED WITH MARKET COMBINED WITH COMMERCIAL SPACE AND MAYBE A PARKING STRUCTURE AND WE'RE FUNDING THE PARKING STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW IT'S PART OF THE TOTAL PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER THAT. SO I THINK YOU I THINK YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING I THINK I WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT YOU KNOW FROM FALLS CHURCH THEY WANT TO HELP US GET OUT THERE, PUT THIS THING TOGETHER THAT WAS WE TOTALLY MISSED THAT IF IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAINLY WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF LINE AND THEN I'VE ALSO HEARD I'LL THROW THIS IN HERE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE'S WAGE THEFT THAT'S OF THIS PREVAILING PIECE OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK OR THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE FOR THE COUNCIL TO MARION COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS JUST AT THE END AS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE WAGE THEFT CONVERSATION BECAUSE, WE'VE TAKEN THEM PART PARCEL FROM ONE ANOTHER THAT THE PREVAILING WAGE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE WAGE THEFT CONVERSATION WE HAD BEEN PLANNING TO BRING IT PROBABLY IN MAY AND AGAIN WE'RE RUNNING INTO THE AGENDA ISSUE SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE JUNE AT THE EARLIEST JUNE OF 2024 JUNE OF THIS YEAR. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED DIRECTION IS. YOU KNOW IF IF IF WE WANT TO START UP AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND GO THROUGH OTHER OTHER BODIES OF THE CITY MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT TIME JUST TO BRING THE OTHER CONVERSATION BACK. I'D BE SURPRISED TO GET IT DONE BY JUNE AND THEN I'VE GOT IT'S JUST HIS QUICK QUESTIONS I HAVE FOUR AND I JUST I'LL JUST FOCUS IN ON BLITZ LUCAS AND TIM WATKINS I THINK WERE THE FOLKS WHO KIND OF HAD DONE THE STUDY AND STOPPED ME. IF I'M WRONG I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ALL THREE OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE AND THEN YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT YOU CAN JUST GIVE A CALL LATER ON AND EXPAND IT. I WANT TO KIND OF KEEP THIS SHORT SO. I'LL JUST GIVE THEM TO YOU AND WHATEVER KIND OF HITCHER YOU KNOW LET ME KNOW. CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE, IN TERMS OF HOW WE HAVE WRITTEN WITH RESPECT TO THE EXCLUSION OF , THE APPRENTICESHIP PIECE OF IT AS A POLICYMAKER I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED $175,000 THRESHOLD. I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER MODEL ORDINANCES WE SAW HAD DIFFERING DOLLAR AMOUNTS. I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AROUND THAT AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT PREVAILING WAGE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW THE BALANCE WITH RESPECT TO MARKET FORCES IN THE SHORT TERM GAINS THAT CAN BE SEEN WITHOUT HAVING MARKET CONTROLS. YOU KNOW THIS A SENSE OF MARKET CONTROL THAT WE BE PLACING ON THIS WITH RESPECT TO THE YOU KNOW, THE VERSUS THAT QUALITY AND THE LONG TERM COST THAT'S INVESTED FROM A CAPITAL PERSPECTIVE. AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR YOUR THINKING YOUR THOUGHT AND YOUR THOUGHTS AROUND AROUND AROUND THOSE ITEMS. I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOT FOR THAT I WANT TO ASK TODAY AND I'VE GOT ONE FOR STEVE. I MEANT TO OKAY. SO IF WE NEED TO DO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS I THINK IS HAPPY DO SO FIRST QUESTION THE EXCLUSION OF APPRENTICESHIP THAT'S PRETTY WITH STATE AND WITH STATE PREVAILING WAGE AS WELL AS FEDERAL IS THAT ARE YOU IF YOU ARE IN A BONA FIDE LEGITIMATE APPRENTICESHIP YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PREVAILING WAGE RATE. IT'S ESSENTIALLY IS CONTRACTORS TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCOUNT ON THEIR LABOR COSTS AS LONG AS THEY'RE PROVIDING THEN REAL WORK OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAINEE LABOR. OF COURSE THERE ARE RATIOS THAT HAVE TO BE ABIDED BY SO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A CREW OF ENTIRELY ON YOUR JOB BUT IT'S STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BOTH ABIDE BY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S MEANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE USE OF TRAINEE LABOR AGAIN WITHIN REASONABLE RATIOS THAT UNDER JOHN WALKER TERMS OF ISSUE WE HAVE IT WRITTEN IS THAT IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD HOW WE HAVE IT WRITTEN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORDING BUT IT SEEMED ME THAT THAT IT WAS WE COULD TAKE THOSE THAT MIRRORED THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE $175,000 THRESHOLD I THINK THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A POLITICAL QUESTION FOR FOR THIS BODY BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID SO MANY DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS. THE STATE OF MINNESOTA'S FOR CONTRIBUTING FUNDS IS $25,000 TO STATE OWNED PROJECTS. BUT THAT'S AGAIN STATE'S COMMITMENT, NOT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. AND THEN FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF GRANTS AND LOANS LIKE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THOSE HAVE THRESHOLDS OF $200,000 IF IT'S A GRANT $500,000 IF IT'S A LOAN. BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE FOR SPECIFIC SORTS OF PROJECTS. SO AGAIN THAT'S UP $175,000. THAT'S AGAIN MORE OF A QUESTION FOR WHAT YOUR ALL COMFORTABLE WITH AS FAR AS HOW MUCH OF A PUBLIC COMMITMENT YOU WANT TO TRIGGER AT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE A BROADER DISCUSSION I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT AS FAR AS BEING OKAY, YOU KNOW TRYING TO UNLEASH MARKET FORCES OR WHATNOT, IS THAT THE REAL RISK IF YOU THINK THE PRIVATE SECTOR PROJECT OWNERS HAVE TOTAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE THEIR CONTRACTORS SO IF YOU GET FIVE BIDS TO REMODEL YOUR BATHROOM YOU CAN PICK THE MOST EXPENSIVE BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE THE JINGLE THAT THEY HAVE YOU KNOW BUT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME FLEXIBILITY YOU'RE BOUND TO AWARD ON A LOW BID. SO REALLY WE VIEW PREVAILING WAGE AS CORRECTING IMBALANCE IS THAT THAT'S THAT PUTS THAT ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTION ON HOW GOVERNMENT'S FLEXIBILITY TO PICK CONTRACTORS WHICH IS WHAT EXPERIENCE OVER 130 YEARS AGO WAS SHOWING THAT EITHER CONTRACTORS THERE THAT GAME THAT REQUIREMENT WHICH HAS GREAT INTENTIONS IN TERMS OF COMBATING CORRUPTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT WHEN IT CAME TO BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS WHAT LED TO THE THE RECOGNIZED KNEW THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR MAKING SURE THAT TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE BEING SPENT RESPONSIBLY ON INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. SO WE VIEW PREVAILING WAGE AS THE CORRECTION TO THE MARKET IMBALANCE. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I BELIEVE I SHARE YOUR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU FOR FOR FOR BEING BRIEF ABOUT THAT AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO MAYOR ROSSI COUNCILMAN WOMAN I'LL JUST RAPIDFIRE TO SAY I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THIS REALLY IS ABOUT CORRECTING THE MARKET AND JUST YOU KNOW TO RE-EMPHASIZE A POINT I'VE BEEN MAKING AND I THINK A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION THIS IS REALLY ABOUT LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD CREATING A HEALTHY, VIBRANT, FAIR MARKET AND IT'S ABOUT CRIME PREVENTION. WE KNOW HOW INSTITUTIONALIZED THESE PRACTICES ARE. IT'S WIDESPREAD. THIS IS A GOOD EFFECTIVE TOOL WITH LIMITED RESOURCES T CITY NEEDS TO INVEST TO DETER CRIME AND WITH THAT IN MIND I WOULD I WOULD JUST CAUTION LIMITING SORT OF SCOPING OR YOU KNOW, EXEMPTIONS FOR THIS OR THAT WHEN IT'S REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT THIS IS PREVENTING CRIME IN AN EFFECTIVE WELL-TESTED WAY THAT ENSURES A HEALTHY MARKET TO TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TO AVOID SORT OF CUTTING DIFFERENT THINGS OUT SAYING WE'LL COVER THIS AND NOT THAT THEN YOU'RE SAYING LIMITING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA OF MISCLASSIFICATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE BOARD SO IT IS TRULY INSTITUTIONALIZED IN OUR INDUSTRY AND IT'S IT'S EXTREMELY BAD IN THE HOUSING SPACE BUT IT'S EVERYWHERE. AND SO THAT'S A POINT THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE AS WE THINK ABOUT IF WE'RE APPLYING COMMERCIAL, IF WE'RE APPLYING TO HOUSING, I WOULD HIGHLY IT TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD AND I WOULD ALSO ARGUE IN FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE'S VERY LIMITED OF SUBSTANTIAL COST IMPACTS NO MATTER THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT CONVERSATION BUT ENORMOUS BENEFIT IN TERMS OF CRIME PREVENTION AND CREATING A HEALTHY VIBRANT CONSTRUCTION MARKET WITH VERY LITTLE OF NEGATIVE COST IMPACTS. KILLEEN PROJECTS FOR EXAMPLE WE JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING AND YET IT HAS ALL THESE POSITIVE UPSIDES. THANK YOU. AND THEN I JUST HAD THE LAST THERE FOR STEVE AND THEN SHE'S SHEETROCK GUYS AND WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION. YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT I FOUND INTRIGUING. I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE REPORT EARLIER THAT THESE GENTLEMEN HAD PUT TOGETHER AND YOU SAY THAT THE STATEMENT THAT YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH ALL OF IT AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD IN A VERY SUMMARY MANNER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SAY COUPLE OF POINTS AND I IMAGINE PART OF IT HAD TO DO WITH YOU KNOW WITH RESPECT TO THE MIXED USE. BUT I'M CURIOUS THERE'S OTHER POINT POINTS THAT YOU WOULD RAISE, MR. MAYOR CUSTOMER I'LL GIVE YOU THE TWO MINUTE HOMILY WITHIN THE TWO HOUR SERMON. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS LABOR BROKERS ARE ALLOWED TO FUNCTION WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY LICENSED. IF WE LICENSE LABOR BROKERS IN THE STATE THIS IS NOT A OF BLOOMINGTON ISSUE BUT IT IS A DEPARTMENT OF LABOR LICENSED LABOR BROKERS. THEY WOULD NOT ENGAGE IN SOME OF THE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE MARKETPLACE. SO I APPROACHING FOR INSTANCE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AS A WAY TO CAPTURE AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY PLAYING IT UNIFORMLY THE TIFF IS A SOLUTION BUT THERE'S A MORE I THINK THERE'S A MORE ELEGANT SOLUTION WHICH IS TO JUST GET TO THE CAUSATION WHICH IS THE BROKERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE COMMITTING THE CRIME AND GO AFTER THEM RATHER THAN UNNECESSARILY ENTANGLE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT AREN'T VIOLATING LABOR THEFT PRACTICES. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO TO SEPARATE YOUR MIXED USE PROJECTS. NOW I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE ABOUT THIS AND I'M OVER MY 2 MINUTES BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU IF WANT TO I'LL GIVE YOU SOME FURTHER EXAMPLES WHERE YOU KNOW A, COMMERCIAL WAGE ACCIDENTALLY CAPTURES A PROJECT AND THAT'S 20% INCREASE THE COST IT WOULD HAVE KILLED MY PROJECT I'VE I'VE AWAY FROM FINANCING THAT HAD COMMERCIAL WAGE BURDENS SO YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IT AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE TOOLS IN PLACE TO DO THAT . THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET'S MOVE ON. YEAH, THANK YOU. WE KNOW WE GOT A LOT ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO JUST VERY QUICKLY PROCESS WISE I IF WE DO WANT THIS TO GO THROUGH OUR FRIENDS AT THE PORT, OUR FRIENDS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT THE GROUP HAS COME UP WITH TONIGHT WE PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST ANOTHER ONE ANOTHER STUDY SESSION TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET THOSE IRONED OUT. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHILE IT'S MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE OTHER BODIES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MR. RUBIO IT DOES, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK FOR SINCE WE DID JUST TALK ABOUT WAGE THEFT AS IF SINCE WAGE THEFT IS ALREADY BEING ENFORCED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEORETICALLY THERE'S ALREADY SOME SOME MEASURE IN PLACE FOR BLOOMINGTON MAYBE IT'S NOT SPECIFIC BLOOMINGTON ARE YOU COMFORTABLE IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THIS FOR THE TIME BEING AND THEN WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE COMING BACK THAT CONVERSATION I THINK GIVEN WORKLOADS AND AGENDA LOADS IN THE COMING WEEKS THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE AND COUNCIL AGREEMENT THIRD LINE COUNCIL HERE. YES, I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. MAYOR, ONE FINAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE BODY. THERE'S TECHNICAL ACTION THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES. SO MY TAKEAWAY IS THAT I'M PRESENTING IT TO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HRA IN THE PORT AUTHORITY IN FEEDBACK, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE SOME SORT OF STATEMENT OR SOMETHING THEY RECOMMEND OR WHAT HAVE YOU THEY COULD OKAY. YEAH MR. MAYOR, I WOULD ADD IT LARGELY INFORMATIVE BUT IT I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ADVENTUROUS TO KNOW FOR THEM TO KNOW SOME OF THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR AND WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION READY SUCH AS HOW MANY HRA PROJECTS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS. HOW MANY PORT PROJECTS BE IMPACTED BY THIS ETC.? ALL RIGHT. SO MAYOR MEMBERS JUST TO KIND OF GET IT, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WE WOULD THEN BE SORT OF BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO SORT OF TIME THIS ALL BACK AND WE'VE GOT THE MONTH MAY TO TRY AND GET ON THESE AGENDAS FOR PORT NATURE AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE COULD THEORETICALLY THEN SCHEDULE A PLANNING OR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IN I'M GOING TO SEE JUNE INTO JUNE OF JULY. OKAY ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN BACK TO THE NODDED I KNOW WE DID BUT THEN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT BODIES. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ENGAGEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO UTILIZE TALK OR SOME OTHER MANNER TO TRY AND GET MORE VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY AT LEAST AS INPUTS INTO THE PROCESS? I WOULD PERSONALLY SAY THE THE LET'S TALK OPTION SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT ONE JUST IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL OF THIS I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND FOLKS WHO FOLKS WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION WHO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE AND WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE I THINK ARE PROBABLY WATCHING NOW IF THEY WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO LET'S TALK I THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, MR. MAYOR. I MEAN AGAIN, ANYBODY CAN CALL US COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SPEAK THEIR MIND AND SEND US EMAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK, WHICH IS FINE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE GETTING DATA THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LEVERAGE USE I'D REALLY LIKE US TO PUT SOMETHING OUT AND LET'S TALK THAT QUALIFIES THESE INDIVIDUALS. WHY IS IT THAT YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF THIS THING? AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT EVERYTHING AND I SHARE IT A LOT OF IT BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME QUALIFIED. RIGHT. THANKS. UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. EVERYBODY WHO CONTRIBUTED THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. THIS WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION. I HOPE IT WAS USEFUL FOR YOU BECAUSE IT WAS FOR US AND YOU CAN SEE THE QUESTIONS AND HEAR THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AND THINK WE'RE WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE AND MOVING FORWARD AND VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE AND I THINK YOU HIT IT PERFECTLY. I THINK THERE HAD INTERMISSIONS SO IF YOU WANTED TO SNEAK INTO THE SECOND ACT OF SOUND OF MUSIC YOU PROBABLY COULD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, I KNOW THAT I'M THE ONE SITTING UP HERE BUT JUST A MERE IN LA WHO HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON THIS. SO THANK YOU TO THEM. YES, THANK YOU. WE ARE MOVING ON IN THE AGENDA ITEM 5.4 CITY OF BLOOMINGTON PARK AND PARK FACILITY NAMING AND SPONSORSHIP POLICY COUNCIL . I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CLOCK ON THE WALL AND WHERE WE ARE AND WE STILL HAVE THIS IN OUR FIRE SERVICES UPDATE TO GO AND SO MAYBE TO TEMPER YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ACCORDINGLY VIA HUGHES OUR DEPUTY PARK AND REC DIRECTOR HERE TO TALK ITEM 5.4 WITH US THIS EVENING. OKAY SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE CLICKER WORKS. HELLO THANK YOU EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. THAT WAS A ROBUST DISCUSSION SUPER. INTERESTING. SO I HOPE YOU'RE READY FOR ME AND MY NAMING POLICY NOW MY NAME IS LEAH HUGHES. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND. I'M GOING TO BE FACILITATING THE DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT NAMING AND SPONSORSHIP POLICY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH LEGAL FOR THE LAST I'D SAY 6 TO 9 MONTHS. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CALL AND RESPONSE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I AM LOOKING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE POLICY AND THEN THERE MAY BE SOME INDIVIDUALS CHIMING IN AND CATRIN IS IN SUPPORT TOO SHOULD THERE BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT SHE CAN ANSWER AND I DON'T KNOW IF I A CITY MANAGER PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL. SO MIGHT BE KIND OF A TEAM EFFORT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS DRAFT POLICY TONIGHT INTRODUCTION BASICALLY THIS NAMING POLICY IS GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE MEMORIAL MEMORIALS DONATION POLICY THAT WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER THIS LAST THIS LAST FALL. SO 2023. AND SO SOME OF THE THE THE PROCESSES SOME THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF THAT POLICY. THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO BE KIND OF THE NEXT STEP WHEN IT GETS TO KIND OF THOSE THOSE BIGGER MORE INVOLVED OPPORTUNITIES FOR NAMING PARK AMENITIES OR OTHER THINGS LIKE NATURAL SPACES WITHIN THAT. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS IS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL IN PRIOR MONTHS WITH AN IN THIS POTENTIAL AREA ESPECIALLY SINCE WITH THE BLOOMINGTON FORWARD PROJECTS COMING UP THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT THEY'RE POTENTIALLY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR FUNDING THROUGH NAMING POLICIES OR THINGS SUCH AS THAT NATURE. I WILL SAY THIS POLICY IS REALLY REFLECTIVE OF NAMING REQUESTS WE CURRENTLY GET. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT PARKS AND RECREATION GETS A FAIR NUMBER OF NAMING REQUESTS FOR THINGS LIKE FIELDS OPEN SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE GET THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM KIND OF INDIVIDUALLY. THIS SOLIDIFIES PROCESS IN A POLICY THAT CLEARLY LISTS CRITERIA THAT WE'RE FOR FOR NAMING HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT ANY SORT OF REQUEST, WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL OR THAT FAMILY CAN EXPECT FROM US AND WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM THEM DURING THAT POLICY AS WELL. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICY IS REALLY JUST TO DO THAT JUST GUIDE GUIDE US IN THIS PROCESS AS WE GET THESE REQUESTS FOR AND PARK AMENITIES WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO APPLY THIS TO ANYTHING IS NOT A PARK AMENITY AT THIS TIME. IT CREATES THAT FRAMEWORK THE PROCESS OF NOT ONLY THE REQUESTS IN THE APPLICATION BUT HOW THEY BE REVIEWED, CONSIDERED AND THEN APPROVED AND IT COULD SERVE AS A FOUNDATION FOR THAT THAT NEXT LEVEL OR THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR MAYBE SPONSORSHIPS AND FROM CORPORATIONS. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE I'M GOING TO PAUSE JUST REITERATING THAT THIS POLICY AS STANDS IN DRAFT FORM REALLY REFLECTS THE CURRENT KIND OF SMALLER NAMING REQUESTS THAT WE GET THAT MAY OR MAY NOT INVOLVED LARGER DONATIONS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND EACH OF THESE REQUESTS IS CURRENTLY VETTED ON A BY CASE BASIS AND ANY AGREEMENTS THAT WE COME TO ARE WORKED OUT. THOSE INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS THAT PREVENTS ITSELF OR IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD SOLICIT LIKE THAT THOSE INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS WOULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND DETAILS THAT GET MORE INTO THE WEEDS WOULD BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THOSE NEGOTIATED NEGOTIATIONS AND AGREEMENTS AND REALM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PAUSE AND JUST MAKE ANY COMMENTARY ALL CLEAR ON THAT FOLKS. SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY NAMING THE ENTIRE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN THIS MIGHT BE SPECIFIC FIELD OR AVENTURA ON THE PLAY AREA THAT KIND OF THING BUT THAT BY DOING THIS IT KIND OF WOULD BUILD ON THE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE FUTURE FOUNDATION OR CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS ON JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE TO HOW THIS IS KIND OF THAT METEORA RIGHT NOW THE MEMORIALS AND DONATIONS POLICY REALLY COVERS THOSE SMALLER DONATIONS TREES OR BENCHES THAT ARE AROUND MAYBE A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS UP THROUGH SHADE STRUCTURES WHICH CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 45000 TO 75000. AND SO THIS WOULD BE KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, 45 TO $75000 THRESHOLD IF THAT HELPS IT A LITTLE FURTHER SOME IMPORTANT POINTS AS I SAID, THESE ARE JUST REALLY PARKS AND RECREATION CONTROLLED AND MANAGED ASSETS. SO THUS THIS HERE JUST KIND OF LISTS WHAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE PARKS TRAILS PLAYING FIELDS COURTS, PLAYGROUNDS, PARK BUILDINGS, NATURAL AREAS, OPEN SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT NAMING AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL OR A FAMILY THIS SLIDE SHOWS ESSENTIALLY THE THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE LISTED IN THE POLICY. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PAUSE MOMENTS AFTER I GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION HERE TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL IS MISSING OR IF THERE'S A GAP OR IF YOU WANT ME TO ELABORATE MORE BUT WE WANT INDIVIDUALS OR WHO ARE REQUESTING NAMING TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF SOME SORT OF LONG TERM SUPPORT OR INVOLVEMENT WITHIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM THAT COULD BE PROGRAMS HELPING CARE FOR AN AREA PART OF A SPORTS OR A FACILITY OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LONG TERM COMMITMENT JUST TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT HAS KIND OF GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND WE DO HAVE A MONETARY VALUE LISTED YOU KNOW IT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL DONATION OF $100,000 OR MORE. I DO WANT TO REITERATE DOES NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE A MONETARY ATTACHMENT TO THIS THOUGH SHOULD WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THEIR SERVICE TO THAT OR THE FOURTH IS A LAND DONATION WITH NO NAMING IF SOMEONE WERE TO DONATE ANY LAND TO THE CITY AND WANT IT NAMED AFTER THEM. SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE HERE AND ONE POINT I DO WANT TO MAKE THESE AREN'T THEY HAVE TO HIT ALL FOUR OF THESE IS KIND OF A THIS ONE OR THIS ONE OR THIS ONE SO THEY COULD HIT ANY OF THESE FOUR CRITERIA OR ANY CRITERIA WE CHOOSE TO ADD. BUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WANT A LITTLE MORE CLARIFIED TO SEE WHAT COUNCIL FEELS BLOOMINGTON FITS IS WHAT WOULD A LONG TERM COMMITMENT BE IN OUR EYES WE REVIEWED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CITIES LOCALLY THAT HAYDEN HAD NAME NAMING POLICIES AND A LOT OF THEM FELT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO 20 YEARS. SO OF THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING OF IS IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC TIMELINE IN MIND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL WANT TO BE REFLECTED IN THIS POLICY, THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO I WANT TO CLARIFY WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANYONE'S NAME FROM ANYTHING IT CORRECT THERE COULD A THERE IS A RENAMING PROVISION IN THAT POLICY. SO IF SOMEONE DID WANT TO RENAME SOMETHING THERE IS THERE ARE SECTIONS IN THIS POLICY FOR THAT THAT IS AN OPTION HOWEVER RENAMING A FAR MORE COMPLEX ENTITY THAN NAMING SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEING BUILT OR NAMING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY NAME YOU HAD MENTIONED BLOOMINGTON ICE CARD AND PRIOR TO THAT RENAMING THAT WOULD BE A BIG IT WOULD MEAN THAT HAS A 6070 YEAR PLUS HISTORY ATTACHED TO IT YOU KNOW PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT BY NAME WHO WOULD I'VE NEVER PLAYED HOCKEY AND I'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING BUT I KNEW WHAT THAT WAS BEFORE I EVEN CAME HERE I'VE REALLY NO REASON TO KNOW WHY OTHER THAN IT'S HISTORY AND IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW LIKE I GUESS I IT THAT WAY IF I WERE FOR EXAMPLE GENE KELLY PLAY FIELDS ARE NOT GOING TO BECOME VER BOOGIE PLAY FIELDS WE'RE NOT GOING TO ERASE ONE NAME TO REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER. CORRECT? I WOULD IMAGINE WE HAVE TO BE A VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR THAT AND I WOULD AGREE WITH WOULD LIKELY NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE VETTING PROCESS. NO OFFENSE CITY MANAGER I AGREE IN TERMS OF YOUR QUESTION HERE ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT, THE LENGTH TIME THE LONG TERM COMMUNITY SERVICE OR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS ONLY LENGTH OF TIME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, YOU KNOW HOW LONG BUT ALSO A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY FOR EXAMPLE. I MEAN I CAN THINK OF ANY NUMBER OF EXAMPLES IF IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, A JEFFERSON GRAD STUDENT, YOU KNOW, WHO GROWS UP TO BE PRESIDENT, WE MAY WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT. I MEAN THAT WOULD BE LIMITED AN EIGHT YEAR TIMEFRAME BUT WE'D WANT TO CONSIDER THAT WE MIGHT TO RENAME SOMETHING IN HONOR OF THAT PERSON. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY JUST THE TIME FRAME BUT IT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE AS WELL. CORRECT? I AGREE. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. YEAH. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD A CLASS TO THAT THEY'RE THEM. THE ELIMINATION OF THAT NAME IN A FUTURE I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE BRINGS AS WE WITNESS SOME OF THE HUNDREDS OF YEARS MONUMENTS BEING REMOVED BY PEOPLE AND THEN CITIES ACTUALLY MAKING THOSE APPROVING THOSE REMOVALS OF HUMANS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS WOULD. IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD A CLASS TO THAT THAT ONCE IT GOES THERE IF IS SIGNIFICANT TO THE CITY REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE THEY WILL STILL REMAIN IN PLACE. I BELIEVE THAT IF THAT SOMETHING MR. HERZOG SAID. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL FELT COMPELLED TO DO. WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT A DRAFT I MEAN THAT'S THAT WOULD BE IF EVERYONE FELT STRONGLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY DO AND I THINK IT'S A POINT WORTH CONSIDERING AT LEAST TALKING ABOUT IS THE COUNCIL ABSOLUTELY CALLED COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. THANK YOU MAYOR SO I THINK YOU WERE ALLUDING TO THIS BUT I DON'T REALLY FEEL I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE LONG TERM SUPPORT IN EITHER OF I THINK THAT IS LIKE A WAY SOMEBODY SHOWS THEIR SUPPORT BUT YEAH LIKE IN IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SOMETHING SOMEBODY SOMETHING SOMEBODY HAS DONE FOR A LONG TIME RIGHT SO AND ALTHOUGH I FELT MY KIND OF INITIAL REACTION IS THAT ALTHOUGH WE WOULD NEED SOME KIND OF REALLY WE WOULDN'T DO IT JUST KIND OF LIKE NILLY WE'D REALLY WANT TO BE INTENTIONAL BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING LIKE WE CAN NEVER EVER CHANGE SOMETHING. I MEAN WE LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENED LIKE WE SEE IT HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT THAT THERE ARE THINGS BEING NAMED FOR HIS LIKE PROBLEMATIC HISTORICAL REASONS AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE YOU KNOW WE HAVE A POLICY WHERE WE CAN NEVER CHANGE SOMETHING. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK A GOOD POINT FOR MORE DISCUSSION BY THE COUNCIL BUT I AM YOU KNOW I THINK IF WE CAN HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT KIND OF STANDARD POLICY IS ACROSS THE METRO IF IT'S TEN OR 20 YEARS I MEAN I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT LIKE EVEN AT 20 YEARS IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT. IT JUST MEANS THAT THERE COULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE THANK YOU FOR THAT COUNCILMAN MCCARTER AND COUNCILMAN BARRIO. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW IN OTHER NAMING POLICIES IS THERE WERE EXCEPTIONS FOR FOR GOOD REASONS. YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, IF YOU'RE IN EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE OR SOME SORT OF FIGURE WITH THAT'S FROM THE COMMUNITY BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY SOME OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE WORKED OUT IN THE OF THE AGREEMENT AS WELL SO THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE OUTLINED WITHIN POLICY ITSELF WHICH IS JUST THE BASIS FOR THOSE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS BUT SOME OF THOSE MORE IN-DEPTH AGREEMENTS COULD BE WRITTEN DOWN SPECIFICALLY WHICH ONE AND I THINK YOUR POINT I ACTUALLY THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THAT THERE IS A WRITTEN AGREEMENT AND IT IS OR PUT IN PLACE SO THAT THE PERSON THAT GROUP UNDERSTANDS LIKE OKAY THIS IS A 20 YEAR AGREEMENT VERSUS YOU KNOW THAT THEY MIGHT THINK IT'S IN PERPETUITY IN CITIES LIKE OH NO NO NO OUR POLICY IS 20 YEARS. SO COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR YOU KNOW COMING UP WITH A NEW POLICY NOT ONLY DO WE GET REQUESTS ALL THE TIME BUT ACTUALLY ADDING THAT STRUCTURE THAT FRAMEWORK SO THAT WE EXPECTATIONS ARE KNOWN ON BOTH SIDES AND THERE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT ARE GRAY OR ARE MISUNDERSTOOD. SO THOSE THINGS WOULD BE IN WRITING THERE WOULD BE TIMELINES ATTACHED TO IT YOU KNOW, CRITERIA TO IT FOR MAINTENANCE, FINANCIAL OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT WOULD ENTAIL DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT PARTICULAR NAMING PROCESS WOULD BE. BUT I'LL BE LAID OUT IN THAT AGREEMENT AND THEN THAT WOULD BE SET IN STONE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD WHATEVER IT MAY BE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT OR GOOD? OKAY. HOW THE $100,000 BENCHMARK I MEAN LIKE YOU SAID WE USE THE THE MEMORIAL AND DONATIONS POLICY AS A BASIS FOR THAT OF EARLIER THRESHOLD. THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER PIECE THAT COULD BE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY NAMING SOMETHING OR PUTTING ANY SIGNAGE IS OUT THERE WHATEVER IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN SORT OF EXPENSE TO THAT. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WOULD NEED MORE CONVERSATION AS WELL? I THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE A BIT MORE CONVERSATION AND MAYBE A BIT OF NUANCE BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, A BENCH WELL THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE MEMORIALS AND DONATION. MORIAL I SEE THIS AS THESE ARE THINGS BEYOND THE BENCHES BIKES SHADE STRUCTURES. THIS IS KIND OF BEYOND THAT YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE MAYBE JUST USING BRANT AND TREVOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEW BUILDING THERE THAT IS A POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS NOT THAT I'M WANTING TO NAME ANYONE'S BUILDING BUT I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILMEMBER SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OFF I NOTICED THAT IN THE PUBLISHED PACKET IT WAS 25,000 AND IT'S NOW 100,000 AND HERE THAT WAS THAT A TYPO OR WAS THAT CHANGED SOMETIME THE PUBLISHING AND NOW THAT WAS A MISS THAT A PRIOR VERSION AND THE PARK COMMISSION ACTUALLY HAS VETTED THIS DRAFT THE FIRST DRAFT AS WELL AND MADE SOME AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN IT GOT BUMPED UP. OH NO NOBODY BOTHERS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT. YEAH I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DISCREPANCY THAT'S FINE. THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT SAYS IF THE ONLY I DON'T MIND THAT THRESHOLD IF THAT'S THE ONLY THRESHOLD THEY'RE GOING TO MEET IF SOMEBODY SAID I WANT TO GIVE $25,000 AND ONE OF THESE OTHER THINGS MAYBE THAT'S ALSO A PROVISION RIGHT TO SAY LIKE IF YOU MEET ANOTHER CRITERIA AND MAYBE TO YOUR POINT IT'S NOT 25 YEARS OF SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION BUT IT'S TEN YEARS. BUT I ALSO GOT 50 GRAND FOR YOU. COULD WE NEGOTIATE RIGHT. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY WOULD BE MY IDEA. COUNCILMEMBER TELL US UNDER WE CERTAINLY COULD IF WE WANTED TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OR AGAIN MAYBE THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT SUGGESTS THAT WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING THE AGREEMENT OR THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE VETTED AT THAT TIME AND AND MR. BARBIERI OVER THAT MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE CLARITY AND I THINK ANY OF THOSE KIND OF LIKE WELL WE MIGHT DO THIS IF YOU DO THIS IS GOING TO I THINK MAYBE CREATE UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELDS WHEN PEOPLE TO POTENTIALLY LET ME TRY AGAIN THEN HOW ABOUT THIS 50 GRAND AND ONE OF THESE OTHER CATEGORIES OR 100 GRAND STRAIGHT UP THERE THAT'S NICE AND CLEAR I SAID IT IN TEN WORDS. THAT'S KIND OF THE THING I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? IT'S JUST LIKE I THINK THAT I THINK THAT UNLESS WE THINK THAT WE REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE THIS FOR AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT TAKES 100 YEARS FOR US TO GET EVERYTHING NAMED THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO SAY LIKE THIS IS REALLY REALLY EXCLUSIVE THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT THEN LEAVE IT AS. IT IS I GUESS THE OPEN QUESTION TO THE COUNCIL IN MY MIND IS HOW EXCLUSIVE ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE THIS? I THINK MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY STEPPED FORWARD TO MAKE SIX FIGURE DONATION WHO DOESN'T HAVE ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY IS UNLIKELY RIGHT SO THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WHO MEETS ONE OF THESE OTHER CRITERIA UNLESS INSTEAD OF NAMING AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL OR A FAMILY AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE A CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY BOY MY KID REALLY ENJOYED SKATING IT BIG NOT SUGGESTING BIG MY KID ENJOYED SKATING AT BIG FOR TWO YEARS SO I WOULD LIKE TO RENAME THE BUILDING AND HERE'S $100,000 I JUST I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING RIGHT. AND SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THE EASY THING TO DO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS COME UP WITH ANY NUMBER OF POTENTIAL PERMUTATIONS OR POTENTIAL QUALITIES AND AND I JUST I DON'T THAT WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH ALL THESE POSSIBLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. I THINK IT'S JUST EASIER TO SET SOMETHING AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND SAYS TO THE COUNCIL UNDER THOUSANDS WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO 50 AND THEN IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO REVIEW IT THEN THE COUNCIL CAN REVIEW IT. I'M FINE. I HAVE A STARTING POINT. SO COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SO I GUESS IN MY MIND I DON'T ACTUALLY IF I EVEN FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE SUBSTANCE DONATION OPTION. SO I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE I YOU CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF SCENARIOS PLAY OUT BUT IF WE HAD SOMEBODY YOU KNOW WANTED TO NAME A PARK AFTER CHIEF STEELE AND WE WERE LIKE OH YEAH HE WAS THE BEST. AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS YEAH BUT I WANT TO NAME AFTER YOU KNOW, MY DAD WHO WAS A VETERAN AND DID ALL THIS WORK IN BLOOMINGTON AND WE HAVE $100,000. I'M GOING TO PAY YOU A HUNDRED THOUSAND. I MEAN LIKE THEN IT'S KIND OF A PAY TO PLAY GAME AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW LIKE IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE COMPLICATES THAT A LITTLE BIT VERSUS DOING IT KIND OF ON THE MERIT OF LIKE SOME MORE FLESHED OUT CRITERIA I GUESS. SO I'LL JUST ADD COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD I WOULD TO THIS IN THE ENTIRE PIECE THE QUESTION I ASK MYSELF AS A POLICYMAKER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FROM THIS POINT KIND OF GOING FORWARD IF WE KIND OF LOOK BACK TO WHO ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED OR HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED IN THE COMMUNITY, WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS AND SO HAVE WE HAVE WE TAKEN THIS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE EQUITY INCLUSION LENS? YOU KNOW, IS IT IS IT MOSTLY MEN? IS MOSTLY WOMEN? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE BARRIERS? SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS AND AND I THINK THAT'S THE STRUGGLE I HAVE WITH THIS KIND OF PIECE AND THEN THE SECONDARY PIECE AND I'M GOING TO SHUT UP AND YOU WON'T HEAR ME FOR THE REST OF THIS THING HERE EXCEPT THAT IT APPLIES TO THE WHOLE THING AND I LOOK AT THE WHOLE PIECE I PROMISE IS IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNICATION AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT AS WELL AND I THINK JUST BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION IS YOU KNOW ,HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY NEED TO EXPEND TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON? SO IS THERE A CONTRACT HERE THAT PEOPLE DIE THAT PASS AWAY YOU KNOW WHEN THIS AND THAT'S THE FEAR THAT I HAVE AND NOT BEING RIGID WITH WITH THIS BUT THEN BY BEING AND EXCLUSIVE NOW WHAT AM I DOING IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT THIS WHOLE MISSION OF AROUND WELCOMING INCLUSION AND KIND OF THING AND IF I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I KIND OF SEE IT MAYBE DIFFERENTLY. I THINK THE MONEY IS THE IMPORTANT PART. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE TO OUR PARK AND REC PROGRAMS THROUGH A POLICY THAT REACHES OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM INVEST IN IT? AND HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE AND I WOULD FRANKLY LOOK AT THE ENTIRE POLICY SORT OF DIFFERENT NOT FROM OUR OWN INTERNAL LENS BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY LENS ARE PEOPLE IF THEY'RE CALLING AND ASKING TO DO THIS, LET'S A WAY TO DO THAT AND LET'S FIND A WAY TO FRANKLY MAXIMIZE WHAT WE GET BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE CITY. LET'S HELP THEM DO SOMETHING GOOD. LET'S HELP THEM INVEST MONEY IN THAT AND THINK BRYANT PARK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE'VE GOT A REALLY NICE PROJECT THERE AND IF WE HAD OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU KNOW SOME FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE PART OF THE CONCERN I HAVE THOUGH ABOUT THE DONATION AMOUNT IS EVERYTHING'S TO BE DIFFERENT. I MEAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK BY MY HOUSE GETS YOU KNOW ONE TEAM PLAYING SOFTBALL EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND A BASKETBALL COURT YOU KNOW BRYANT PARK HAS ALL SORTS OF STUFF AND SO HOW YOU VALUE THOSE THINGS FAIRLY AND DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT AND I MEAN I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THESE DIFFERENT AREAS AND THEN I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY WAYS TO TAKE AND RECOGNIZE LONG TERM YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE DONE REALLY GOOD THINGS. BUT MY OPINION THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE POLICY THAN TO HELP SUPPORT THE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE MAKING IN OUR PARKS AND REC PROGRAM. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND I WILL SAY THERE ARE ALL THOUGHT PROCESSES. I MEAN THEY THEY ALL SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IN DIFFERENT WAYS RIGHT ALL. RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. SO THE NEXT THING IS JUST AS AS A WHOLE JUST SOME QUICK JUST A QUICK CHECK IN AS YOU READ THROUGH THE POLICY ON ANY OF THESE SECTIONS, WAS THERE ANYTHING COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHEN I'M GOING TO MOVE THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE MORE INTO HOW YOU WOULD BE INVOLVED HOW THESE THINGS WOULD COME ACROSS THE THE DICE FOR YOU TO REVIEW BUT I JUST WANT TO DO A QUICK TEMPERATURE CHECK ON ANY OF THOSE OTHER SECTIONS AS YOU READ THROUGH THE POLICY,ERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THINGS YOU US TO BE CONSIDERING ANYTHING COUNCIL ONWARD THANK YOU ALL RIGHT SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS SO AGAIN THIS THIS MIMICS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN MR. I APOLOGIZE I DID HAVE AND I WROTE DOWN YES, I WROTE DOWN AND I FORGOT TO ASK AND I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CURRENT CONTRACT FOR LIKE THE THE THE BIGS LIKE INTERIOR OF THE BIG AND IT'S NAMING LIKE THE ADVERTISEMENT AND ALL THAT IS THAT GETTING REPLACED BY ANY OF THIS AT ALL OR IS THAT STILL IS THAT CONTRACT STILL VALID? IT WAS A THIRD PARTY THING I THINK AT SOME POINT. SO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THAT IS A THAT'S ANOTHER CONTRACTOR THAT HAS HELD THE ARM THAT IS A CONTRACT THAT'S HELD THROUGH THE HOCKEY ASSOCIATION AND THAT IS STILL IN PLAY. SO DOES THAT PRECLUDE THAT AREA FROM THIS POLICY THEN BY NATURE? WELL THAT CONTRACT YEAH OKAY THAT'S LIKE SORRY I KNEW I LOOK I BELIEVE OUTFIELD FENCE AT THE BASEBALL FIELDS AT THE SAME WAY I BELIEVE SO AS WELL. SO WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO UNDERMINE ANY SORT OF SPONSORSHIP THAT ANY OF THE YOUTH ASSOCIATIONS DO. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS THE AS THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT GETS THEIR OWN SET OF NAMING REQUESTS ALL YEAR LONG, WHERE WHERE CAN WE FIND A WAY TO TO MAKE THIS MORE FEASIBLE PROCESS FOR NOT ONLY STAFF TO VET THESE REQUESTS BUT ALSO TO HELP THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS? THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS YOU MAKE THESE REQUESTS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE WITH THIS THING AND HOW HOW WE CAN NEGOTIATE A LOT OF THE TERMS AND THE AGREEMENT PARAMETERS THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT UP. SO IT'S REALLY JUST WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A FRAMEWORK BECAUSE UP TO THIS POINT A LOT OF THE MEMORIALS AND DONATIONS AND NAMING HAVEN'T HAD FORMAL AGREEMENTS. THEY CERTAINLY HAVEN'T HAD MUCH CRITERIA. I WAS KIND OF IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND WE'LL TRY TO TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO FULFILL THAT REQUEST. WE'RE TRYING TO REIN THAT IN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING WORKING WITH SOME OF THE PARK RENOVATIONS PROJECTS ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO RENOVATE THESE PARKS TO DO ALL THESE AMAZING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE THAT SHOW US WHERE THE BEGINNING AND THE END ARE FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE MADE PROMISES TO COMMUNITY ON. SO THIS IS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO REAL THAT BACK IN AND GIVE US A FRAMEWORK THAT WE USE GOING FORWARD TO TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE BIG, BIG PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE AND TRY TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY AS COUNCILMAN REMEMBER NELSON AND CARTER HAVE ALL SAID WHETHER IT'S THROUGH MONETARY OR NOT JUST GIVING US SOME GUIDELINES ON THAT. YEAH. SO AS FAR AS ARE WE READY FOR ME TO MOVE ON TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS? OKAY. YES PLEASE. SO AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION PROCESS GOES, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF SUBMITTAL SO WE WILL CREATE SOME SORT OF AN APPLICATION PROBABLY VERY SIMPLE THAT HELPS INDIVIDUALS UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN SUBMIT ANY SORT OF REQUEST AND HOW WE CAN START TO GATHER INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT WILL COME TO CITY STAFF AS THEY ALREADY DO. SO THEY USUALLY COME TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY'RE PARK AFFILIATED. IF THEY DO COME TO CITY ADMINISTRATION THEY ARE OFTEN FORWARDED ON TOS AND SO PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF WOULD BE THE FIRST SET OF EYES THAT WOULD BE LOOKING THROUGH THOSE REQUESTS WE WOULD BE USING THIS POLICY TO KIND OF TAKE A FIRST GLANCE AT THOSE REQUESTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBMITTAL HAS FULFILLED WHATEVER THE CRITERIA THAT WE ULTIMATELY END UP DECIDING WE WILL BE USING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT SHOULD BE MOVED ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL. SO WE HAVE USED THE LANGUAGE IN THE POLICY THAT IF THE REQUEST IS REASONABLY COMPELLING IT WILL MOVE ON TO LIKELY THE CITY STAFF WOULD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PARKS PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION AND WE WOULD SHOW THEM THAT APPLICATION REQUEST WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF STAFF REPORT THAT SHOWS THEM THAT WE HAD ALREADY VETTED THIS AGAINST THE POLICY AND WHATEVER CRITERIA WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME ON WHAT THE REQUEST IS THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR A COMMUNITY COMMENT PERIOD DEPENDING ON HOW HOW INVOLVED THIS PROCESS WOULD BE. AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME STEPS THAT THAT PARK OR STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND AS A PART OF THAT THAT SECOND TIER OF EYES ON THE REQUEST AT THAT TIME PARK WILL REVIEW AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION EITHER TO MOVE THAT REQUEST ON TO CITY COUNCIL TO FURTHER REVIEW ON BOTH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND PARK RECOMMENDATION OR THEY COULD CHOOSE TO DENY THAT REQUEST IF THEY FELT THAT IT WASN'T SUBSTANTIATED OR DIDN'T FIT THE CRITERIA THAT THEY FELT THAT SHOULD. SO ONE OF THE PAUSES I WANT TO TAKE HERE IS DOES COUNCIL FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IF THE PARKS, ARTS AND RECREATION COMMISSION DECIDED TO STOP A REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE THEY DID FEEL THAT IT MET CRITERIA TO MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR WOULD YOU WANT SOME SORT OF POTENTIAL PRESENTATION DONE ANYWAY ON ON WHAT THEIR FINDINGS WERE AND WHY THEY CHOSE TO GO THAT WAY SOME SORT OF STAFF REPORT WHAT WHAT WOULD THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO SEE IN THAT INSTANCE SHOULD IT ARISE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. SO I MEAN I THINK IF YOU DON'T GET PAST THAT THEN THAT IS WHAT IT IS WE APPOINTED THESE PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY DID IT. THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN THINK OF IS THERE ARE PROVISIONS, DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF THAT YOU CAN CAN'T YOU PEEL? THE LAKE PLANNING COMMISSION RULE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THAT WE DELEGATE BUT LEAVE AN OUT THAT ALLOWS FOR AN APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL IF NEED BE WITH I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING FOR MOST PEOPLE IS YOU BETTER HAVE SOMETHING MORE COMPELLING THE NEXT TIME YOU PRESENT IT I GUESS SO I WOULD INCLUDE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SINCE EVERYBODY DELEGATION DELEGATION. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE. SO ONCE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARK COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY THERE IS THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD GO AS WELL ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION AS IS AND MOVE THAT NAMING REQUEST FORWARD DEPENDING ON YOUR FEEDBACK AND INSIGHTS INTO THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST YOU COULD CHOOSE TO MODIFY THE PARK SEARCH AND RECREATION RECOMMENDATION TO FIT WHATEVER ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS OR CRITERIA YOU MAY WANT TO ADD OR CITY COUNCIL COULD ULTIMATELY END UP DENYING THE REQUEST AT THAT TIME AS WELL. WE IN THE POLICY HAD THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECISION IS FINAL SHOULD IT MAKE IT TO YOUR DESK AT THAT TIME SO AGAIN JUST PAUSING TO SEE IF THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU FEEL THE PROCESS SHOULD BE AND HOW YOUR INVOLVEMENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE AND THE ISSUES WITH THAT COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. WELL AS FAR AS NEXT STEP GOES SO WE'LL OBVIOUSLY REVIEW THIS THIS RECORDING AND MAKE ANY SORT OF I EDITS AND ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD DO IS KEVIN TOSCHI AND I HAVE BEEN THE INDIVIDUALS WORKING ON THIS NAMING POLICY SO I'LL SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH KEVIN AND SOME OF THE WE WILL LIKELY MAKE SOME OF THOSE EDITS AND PUT SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS INTO THAT POLICY AND WE FIGURED OUT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE SOMETIME IN LIKELY JUNE WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT COME ACROSS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO YOU WOULD SIMPLY BE READING THROUGH THAT POLICY YOU PROBABLY LEAVE OUR NOTES AND COMMENTS ON THERE SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SECTIONS WERE MODIFIED IF YOU WANTED US TO DO THAT AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE AT THAT TIME TO APPROVE OR HAVE US CONTINUE RESEARCHING OR MODIFYING THE POLICY AS IT STANDS AT THAT POINT, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AROUND THE PROCESS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A NEW PARK IS CREATED AND SO I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION PARK LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT THAT NAME AND SO LIKE IF WE HAVE A NEW OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK AND I AND IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME IN THIS OUTLINE SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER JOHN CARTER OKAY . CAN WE COUNT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS LISTED IN THE POLICY AS THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF NAMING THAT HAVE NOTHING TO WITH INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS YOU KNOW LOCATION GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT OF THE PARKS WE HAVE ARE NAMED AFTER THE STREET THEY'RE ON THE POND THERE BY OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO THEY'RE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE POLICY ON ONE OF THE FIRST COUPLE OF PAGES IT DOES SAY THAT THERE ARE THESE OTHER WAYS WE CAN NAME A POTENTIAL PARK DEPENDING ON WHAT IT'S IN PROXIMITY TO OR OTHER FACTORS IF THE LAND THAT WE WANT DONATED WOULD WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP THOUGH FOR PUBLIC TO PUBLIC SAY OKAY IF SOMEBODY HAS AN IDEA OR SO GUESS I WOULD MAYBE THAT'S A COUNCIL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH I MEAN YEAH YEAH. SO SO I GUESS MAYBE JUST MAKING A LITTLE A BIT MORE CLEAR. SO LIKE IF THERE WERE A NEW PARK CREATED , YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WHAT PROCESS WOULD THAT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO SUBMIT A REQUEST OR WOULD STAFF IT UP TO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SAY HEY, WE'RE LOOKING IDEAS VERSUS IT BEING LIKE OH IT'S JUST BY BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION SO WE'RE THE 98TH STREET PARK, RIGHT? YEAH, WE COULD GET IT DEFINITELY MORE CREATIVE THAN THAT. WE CERTAINLY COULD ADD THAT. THANK YOU. SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET'S REMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I LIKE I'M GOING TO RIP OFF OF COUNCILMEMBER CARTER'S IDEA HERE. THAT'S WHERE I THINK LIKE SOME OF THESE IF WE DO HAVE A NEW PARK OR IF WE YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I THINK SOME PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING TEAM MIGHT BE ACTUALLY REALLY INTERESTING. RIGHT BECAUSE THEN BUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW BETWEEN THAT AND THE WORK OF COED TO DO ENGAGEMENT AROUND THERE YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THERE'S A UNIQUE COMMUNITY IN THE ORIENTED NAME THAT THAT COULD COME FROM THAT THAT YOU KNOW WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT UP OR WHATEVER SO AN OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME COLLABORATION ACROSS COMMISSIONS AND THINGS THAT I THINK YEAH THANK YOU IT'S A REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY OTHER THOUGHTS. ALL RIGHT WELL WITH THAT I JUST ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL? RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INSIGHT. SO WE WILL WE WILL EDIT THAT WE WILL PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN GET IT BACK ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INSIGHTS. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR STICKING IT OUT WITH US TONIGHT. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND SPEAKING OF STICKING IT OUT WITH US TONIGHT, MOVIE NIGHT IN 5.5 AN UPDATE ON OUR FIRE SERVICES WE GOT CHIEF ULI SEAL ASSISTANT CHIEF JAY FORESTER HERE. GOOD EVENING CHIEF STEELE. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL UM COMING UP OKAY. I GOT A RELATIVELY SHORT POWERPOINT AND A LITTLE BIT OF VIDEO IF CAN WORK HIS MAGIC CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE VIDEO. I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS IS THAT I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ALL OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS FOR NOT ONLY JOB THEY DO EVERY DAY BUT ALSO FOR HOW WELL THEY HAVE WORKED THROUGH THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND CULTURAL TRANSITION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING THROUGH THAT WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR SUPPORT NOT ONLY STARTING THIS BUT RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. SOME OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO REVIEW TONIGHT ARE POSITIVE AND SOME OF THEM NOT SO POSITIVE BUT THIS IS A JOURNEY NOT A DESTINATION AND WE'RE WE'RE WORKING IT SO SO STAFFING AS YOU NOTICED ON THE STARTING SLIDE I'M TALKING ABOUT STAFF IN RESPONSE STATIONS AND ISO WHICH STANDS FOR INSURANCE SERVICES ORGANIZATION. I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN I GET TO IT. BUT STAFFING RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FOUR STATIONS THAT ARE STAFFED WITH A COMBINATION AND A CAREER AND PART TIME FIREFIGHTERS STAFFING FOR STATIONS 24 SO IN PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE TIME THREE STATIONS ALL OF THE TIME STATIONS MOST OF THE TIME IF THAT MAKES SENSE THAT REALLY HAS REDUCED THE RESPONSE OF APPARATUS WITH TOO FEW AND THE FAILURE OF APPARATUS TO RESPOND. NOW THERE'S LITTLE TRICK TO THAT AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN I SHOW YOU SOME NUMBERS SO IT LOOKS GOOD BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT QUITE GOOD AS IT LOOKS. IT IS ALSO RESULT IN AN IMPROVEMENT RESPONSE TIMES FOR PARTS OF THE CITY VERY CLEARLY WE'RE GETTING OUR FIRST TRUCK TO A LOT OF OUR RUNS A LOT FASTER THAN WE WERE BEFORE SO . IF YOU LOOK AT THIS OUR TOTAL CALLS ROLLING TWO OR LESS ON A TRUCK THAT ROLLING SHORT AND THEN THE FAILURE TO ROLLS FOR 2122, 23 PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS AND THROUGH MARCH OF 24 THOSE NUMBERS ARE WAY DOWN AND. THAT IS REALLY A REFLECTION OF THE FACT THAT JANUARY OF THIS YEAR WE PUT EVERYBODY ALL OF OUR PART TIME PEOPLE ON WORKING HOURS WHILE THEY SOME DO RESPOND AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON A PAGER EVERYBODY HAS A HOURS REQUIREMENT THAT THEY TO MEET EVERY MONTH SO WE ARE FILLING MORE SEATS ON THE TRUCKS REGULARLY AND GETTING THOSE TRUCKS QUICKER. BUT ONCE AGAIN THERE'S A CAVEAT TO THAT AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE FILLING FEWER TRUCKS AND WE'LL GET TO THAT SECOND HERE. SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STAFFING FOR THE SIX STATIONS EACH DAY. FOUR OF THE SIX STATIONS THAT WE HAVE OUR STAFFED EACH DAY MOST OF THE TIME ONE OF THOSE STATIONS AT TIMES WE CANNOT STAFF WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE YET TO DO THAT. IT'S IMPROVED THE CONSISTENCY FOR A RESPONSE FOR FOR A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CALLS WE DO NOT STAFF TWO STATIONS. WE STILL STRUGGLE. WE ALERT ALL STATIONS FOR A STRUCTURE FIRE AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE FIRE SO ALL SIX STATIONS GET ALERTED BUT WE STILL STRUGGLE TO GET CALLBACK TO THE STATIONS FOR STRUCTURE FIRES KIND OF THE VERY PROBLEM THAT WE HAD THAT MOTIVATED THIS CHANGE. SO HASN'T REALLY CHANGED TO POINT HERE STATIONS TWO AND FIVE ARE NOT STAFFED AND IS GOING TO BE A BIT OF A DISCUSSION WHEN I SHOW THE VIDEO BUT ALSO A BIT DISCUSSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ISO. SO REALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR RESPONSE METRICS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS BRINGING BACK TO YOU TONIGHT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT ON OUR RESPONSE METRICS WHERE WE REALLY CONSIDER SPEED AND WEIGHT AND SPEED IS HOW QUICK WE GET THE FIRST RIG THERE AND WE STRIVE TO HAVE A TOTAL RESPONSE TIME OF 7 MINUTES 30 SECONDS AND WAIT IS WHEN WE ARE RESPONDING TO MORE SIGNIFICANT EVENT LIKE A STRUCTURE FIRE OR A SIGNIFICANT CRASH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE MULTIPLE UNITS AND THAT'S WHAT WE CALL OUR EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE AND WE WANT TO GET THAT ARE 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FIRE GROUND FOR A SMALL ONE STOREY HOUSE IN MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS TOTAL RESPONSE TIME 90% OF THE TIME AND THE THE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT BUILDING IN COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDING IS GREATER. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MORE FIREFIGHTERS THAN 15. SO THE FIRST BULLET POINT ON THE ON THE FIRST UNIT RESPONDING WE'RE DOING BETTER ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT WE'RE NOT THE WEIGHT SO OUR TWO FOR THAT FIRST UNIT RESPONDING OUR 2023 PERFORMANCE WAS OUR 90% PERFORMANCE WAS ACTUALLY 1131 MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS. THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK WHAT WE WERE GETTING TO THE SCENE 90% OF THE TIME OUR ACTUAL SEVEN MINUTE AND 32ND RESPONSE TIME WAS ABOUT 62% WELL OFF OUR 90% GOAL. AND IN 2024 FOR THAT FIRST UNIT ON SCENE WITH THREE OR FOUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR 90% PERFORMANCE WAS 937. SO WE DROPPED QUITE A BIT IN OUR OUR SEVEN MINUTE AND 32ND RESPONSE WAS ABOUT 70 TO 75%. SO WE'VE WE'VE REALLY IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH NOT THAT MANY MORE FIREFIGHTERS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO. SO STILL OFF OUR GOAL BUT WE GOT A LOT BETTER ARE OUR EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE GOAL AS 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE SCENE IN 11 MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL FIRE IN 2023 WE HAD 25 STRUCTURE FIRES THAT MET THAT MET THAT STANDARD AND 21 DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARD 25 TOTAL STRUCTURE FIRES IN 2020 321 OF THEM WE DIDN'T GET 15 FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FIREGROUND IN 2024 TO DATE WE'VE HAD 11 STRUCTURE FIRES AND TEN OF THEM DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARD. SO BUT YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE WE'RE STAFFING FOUR RIGS IN THE CITY CONTINUOUSLY EVERY DAY MOST OF THE TIME WITH THREE PEOPLE ON THOSE ON THOSE RIGS, THE TWO ON SOME OF THEM SOMETIMES WITH FOUR ON SOME OF THEM. SO IF I GET THREE RIGS WITH THREE PEOPLE ON ON AN ON ON A FIRE SCENE THAT'S ONLY NINE FOLKS. I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME MEETING THAT THE WAY I'M STAFFING RIGHT NOW WILL WORK OUT OF IT BUT GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME SEE IF I THINK TO WORK UP HERE THERE WE GO. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT I SAW THE INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE. THEY ARE A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT SETS FIRE INSURANCE RATES AND SELLS THAT RATINGS SCHEDULE TO INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO USE THAT RATING SCHEDULE TO SET FIRE INSURANCE RATES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN MANY CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY OUR LAST ISO RATING WAS COMPLETED IN 2017 AND WE OBTAINED AN ESCROW RATING OF CLASS DASH TWO RACKS AND THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH HOW THEY SET THE RATING SCHEDULE UP. ONE IS BEING VERY CLOSE TO NEVADA AND. TEN MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYWHERE BETWEEN THEY'RE JUST THEY ADJUST THEIR RATES BASED UPON THAT RATING SO IN 1986 WE WERE A CLASS FOUR AND WE OBTAINED A CLASS THREE SUBSEQUENT TO THAT AND IN 2017 A CLASS TWO WHICH IS A VERY GOOD RATING OUR NEXT ISO EVALUATION IS SET FOR THIS FIRST WEEK IN JUNE THEY DO THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS BUT DUE TO THE PANDEMIC PEOPLE RETIRING THEY HAD A HARD TIME FILL IN SOME SPOTS SO IT STRETCHED OUT A LITTLE BIT. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THIS IN JUNE SO THEY REALLY MEASURE CAPABILITIES IN FOUR AREAS THEY MEASURE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITIES, COMMUNICATE AS OUR PIECE OF DISPATCH OUR WATER SYSTEM, COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION WHICH IS REALLY OUR FIRE CODE FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION AND THAT RESULTS IN THIS GRADE THAT THEN SET FIRE INSURANCE RATES FOR PROPERTIES IN THE CITY BY SO IN 2017 OUR COMMUNICATIONS ARE OUR PEACE OUT SCORED AN EIGHT OUT OF A TEN VERY GOOD SCORE. I MEAN YOU CAN'T MUCH BETTER THAN THAT REALLY WHERE THEY GOT GIG DONE WAS WAS STAFFING AS WELL THAT SHOULD CHANGE THIS THIS AROUND AND IMPROVE WATER SYSTEM THIRD ALMOST 38 OUT OF 40 POINTS ONCE AGAIN VERY GOOD SYSTEM VERY GOOD WATER SYSTEM VERY GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE WE GOT A VERY GOOD SCORE ON THAT BOTH FOR FLOWS AND OUR HYDRANT HYDRANT SPACE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SCORE JUST SHY OF 35 OUT OF 50 THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE YOU'LL SEE IN ALL OF THESE PIECES IT'S RATED COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION. THAT'S OUR OUR OUR FIRE PREVENTION 4.670 5.5 ONCE AGAIN A VERY GOOD RATING. SO THEN THEY TAKE A NUMBER AND THROUGH FORMULA GIVE US A DIVERGENCE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A NEGATIVE NUMBER THEY TAKE POINTS AWAY FROM YOU AND THAT DIVERGENCE IS A REFLECTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS AND HOW ALL THE REST OF THOSE ARE . SO THOSE THOSE FIRE FOUR THINGS THAT GET RATED IF YOU'VE GOT A REALLY GREAT WATER SYSTEM WE DO IN A REALLY GOOD DISPATCH SYSTEM WHICH WE DO AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION RISK REDUCTION SYSTEM WHICH WE DO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IT STILL DOESN'T MEASURE UP THEY GIVE YOU FOR THAT THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE. SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE REALLY GOOD SYSTEMS IN YOUR CITY AND A FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT JUST JUST DOESN'T FLY AND COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD INSURANCE RATING BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STILL HAS TO SHOW UP, PUT YOUR FIRE OUT, TALK ABOUT THAT SO SO WE GOT GIGGED ALMOST FIVE POINTS BECAUSE OF THAT. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD JUST A QUICK REMINDER THERE'S THERE'S REALLY TWO THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT A STATION LOCATION AND ANOTHER THING THEY LOOK AT IS ROAD MILES AND THEY ALSO LOOK AT RESPONSE TIME BUT REALLY MILES AND SO THEY SET IT UP FOR THE ENGINES AT A MILE AND A HALF AND THAT IS A MILE AND A HALF ROAD AROUND EACH OF THE SIX STATIONS. I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT TWO OF THOSE STATIONS AREN'T STAFFED RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. LEAVES A PRETTY BIG CORNER OF OUR CITY THAT HAS MORE EXTENDED RESPONSE TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT US THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE. THEY DO THE SAME THING FOR LADDERS. IT'S TWO AND A HALF ROAD MILES AND THIS IS THE MAP FOR TWO AND A HALF ROAD MILES FOR THE LADDERS IN THE CITY AND THAT HAS SOME OVERLAP IN IT. SO WHILE THE COLORS DON'T LOOK EQUALS THERE'S SOME OVERLAP IN THE COLORS SO THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR DIAGRAM BUT CAN SEE WHEN WE HAD SIX LADDER COMPANIES WE HAD THE CITY WELL PRETTY WELL COVERED SO THEY REALLY BALANCED THE NEED FOR STATIONS WITH AVAILABLE ENGINES. WE HAD EIGHT ENGINES THAT WERE A REQUIREMENT OUT OF SIX STATIONS THEY ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT EIGHT STATIONS AND AT THAT PARTICULAR IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY THEY DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THAT FOR FISCAL REASONS BUT I ALSO STILL GAVE US CREDIT FOR THE PROPER OF ENGINES SO WE WERE PENALIZED SLIGHTLY FOR NOT ENOUGH STATIONS BUT REALLY GIGGED FOR TOO FEW PERSONNEL. SO OUR CURRENT STAFFING ISSUES ARE GOING TO LIKELY AFFECT OUR OUTCOME OF THE SCHEDULE SO REVIEW OUR PATH FOLLOWED FORWARD IS GOING TO THESE ISSUES BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. THIS COULD BE ACCELERATED CONSIDERABLY IF WE GET IN A FOR ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER SAFER GRID AND OUR GOAL CONTINUES TO BE TO STAFF SIX STATIONS 24 HOURS A DAY AND TO MEET OUR RESPONSE STANDARDS 90% OF THE TIME SO WE'RE GETTING ON SOME OF OUR RESPONSE STANDARDS AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANOTHER SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIZE. YOU'VE HEARD ME TALKING ABOUT ROLAND SHORT WITH TWO OR ONE AND AND MOST OF THE TIME WE STAFF WITH THREE. AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AND I'VE SAID THIS THAT STAFFING A CREW OF FOUR IS IMPORTANT THREE SHOULD BE THE MINIMUM WE ALTHOUGH EVEN THIS WEEKEND WE WERE ROLLING TRUCKS TWO PEOPLE IN FILLING WITH CHIEFS JUST BECAUSE OF PEOPLE ISSUES SO RESPONDING WITH THREE OR TWO PERSON CREWS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS THE ABILITY TO POSITIVELY THE OUTCOME AND THAT'S TRUE ON A FIRE INCIDENT OR A CRITICAL CARRY EMS INCIDENT MORE HANDS MAKES FOR A BETTER JOB IN IN OUR CASE IN CASE SO THE FOLLOWING VIDEO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ILLUSTRATES A RECENT FIRE WE HAD I HAVE DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF ADDED IN SO GOT ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE VIDEO THAT IS COMPRESSING 25 MINUTES OF VIDEO DOWN INTO 5 MINUTES AND THAT 25 MINUTES OF VIDEO DOESN'T EVEN SHOW THE WHOLE INCIDENT. SO BUT IT GIVES A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A ONE STORY HOUSE RELATIVELY SMALL RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IN THE CITY AND. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE FACE FOR A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING OR OR HIGH RISE BUILDINGS OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS IS MUCH GREATER. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT WE RESPOND TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 40 OR MORE STRUCTURE EACH YEAR AND ALL OF THESE STRUCTURES. SO OH LOOK AT THIS. YOU GOT IT ON FOR ME. OKAY. YOU CAN HIT PLAY GRANT. SO THIS IS A PULL UP ON ON XERXES YEAH, THAT'S ME STANDING THERE WAITING THESE I MIGHT HAVE SKIPPED OVER A SLIDE OR IT MIGHT COME AFTER THIS BUT. THIS IS ON ABOUT 100 NATHAN XERXES AND THE FIRST ENGINE THAT GETS IN HERE IS ACTUALLY COMING STATION 484, THE NEWER ONE ROAD THAT'S THE FIRST ENGINE THAT'S COMING IN . SO WE'RE ABOUT SEVEN SEVEN AND A HALF MINUTES INTO FROM THE TIME OF THE 911 CALL HERE THEY ARE RUNNING WITH A THREE PERSON CREW SO THEY GOT A DRIVER AND TWO FIREFIGHTERS. SO THE DRIVERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT ONLY CHARGING THE HOSE LINES BUT ALSO SECURING A WATER SUPPLY. AND I'LL JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT YOU SEE HAPPENING HERE, WATCH AND SEE HOW QUICKLY FIRE STARTS TO SPREAD. WHEN WE FIRST PULLED UP IN THE FIRST VIEW OUT OF THE WINDSHIELD, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS AN IMPACTED AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR ACTUALLY. THE SIDING START TO MELT THE START ON FIRE BY THE TIME THEY GET THE CREW WITH THE HOSE LINE SLIDE THAT'S A TWO AND A HALF INCH HOSE LINE. IT'S A PRETTY BIG HOSE TO HANDLE WITH ONE OR TWO FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT A LOT THAT'S BEING DONE HERE. I ACTUALLY HIT THE THE FIREFIGHTER THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF THIS RIG UP AND TOLD THEM HEY, GIVE ME A SWEEP ON THAT EXPOSURE. PUT THE FIRE OUT ON THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S CONTINUE TO SPREAD THAT WAY TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO MOVE THAT HOSE LINE. WHAT'S HIS CHARGE THERE NOW CHARGING HOSE LINE FILLING UP WITH WATER AND THERE'S ABOUT ú100 OF WATER IN ONE SECTION OF HOSE AND. THEY'VE GOT THE THEY'LL ACTUALLY PULL TWO PLUS SECTIONS FORWARD AS THEY ADVANCE THAT HOSE LINE. SO HE'S GOING GIVE IT A QUICK BUMP BUT THE GUY THAT I TALKED TO HE'S KICKING KINKS OUT AND ONE OF THE REASONS HE'S KICKING KINKS OUT IS BECAUSE ONE KINK IN THAT HOSE LINE CAN DROP THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU GET OUT OF YOUR HOSE LINE BY 40% TO KINKS DROPS IT EVEN MORE SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO GIVE THAT HOUSE A QUICK WET DOWN AND YOU DON'T HEAR IT ON THE VIDEO BUT THE GUY IN THE WHITE HAT WITH THAT WAS BARKING AT HIM TELL HIM TO WATCH OUT BECAUSE THERE'S POWER LINES HANGING DOWN RIGHT DOWN THERE IN FRONT OF WHERE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS STOPPED. THE SECOND ENGINEER PULLED UP I'LL COME BACK TO THERE WAS CHIEF THAT WALKED UP AND HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE NOW AND TRY TO GET EYES ON THE REAR AND. PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS IS BECAUSE OUR PROBLEM USUALLY IS IN EVERYTHING THAT'S JUST PRESENTED TO US WHEN WE GET THERE. SO HIS HELMET VIDEO IS GOING TO SHOW YOU THE REAR OF THIS HOUSE AND HE'S GOING TO TURN AND FACE THE HOUSE AND YOU GET A SENSE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR PROBLEM AND THAT A11 OR TWO OR THREE CREW FIRE DOESN'T EXIST IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A LINE IN THE FRONT, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A LINE IN THE BACK. WE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER LINE FOR FRONT TO GET INSIDE THE HOUSE AT THIS TIME FOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE THERE WEREN'T ANYBODY WHO WASN'T PEOPLE HOME. THERE WERE PETS AT HOME AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS BEEN KIND OF WHAT DOWN AND MOST OF THAT FIRE HAS BEEN KNOCKED DOWN. I SENT ONE INDIVIDUAL INTO THAT HOUSE CHECK FOR EXTENSION QUICKLY AND THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CREW NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL WE SENT TWO CREWS INSIDE THIS THIS I BACK TO THE FRONT NOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE BACK HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY WITH FOR THIS WITH THIS SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE CONFUSING YOU'LL SEE HOW QUICKLY THEY GET WATER ON THIS LARGE AMOUNTS OF WATER AND THEY'RE WORKING TO GET THAT SUPPLY LINE LAID BECAUSE THEY ONLY ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF WATER INSIDE THAT TANK WITH THAT SIZE OF HOSE. SO THEY'VE GOT TO ESTABLISH A WATER SUPPLY VERY QUICKLY OTHERWISE GOING TO STRUGGLE. SO ONCE AGAIN YOU SEE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT MANY HANDS. IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE TO PULL ONE OF THESE OFF AND YOU KNOW, WE WHAT WE COULD DO HERE WITH PEOPLE THERE SECURING THAT WATER SUPPLY, THAT SECOND ENGINE THAT PULLED ACROSS IT LAID THAT BIG HOSE LINE TO GET THE WATER SUPPLY IS GOING THAT HOME STRETCH AND ANOTHER HOSE LINE TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE TO THE FIRE AND THE REAR LAER THE LADDER COMPANY JUST PULLED UP FROM STATION THREE THAT'S THE ONE OVER BY THE MORE AND THE ENGINE THE SECOND ENGINE IN CAME FROM STATION ONE AND THEY CAME IN PRETTY MUCH RIGHT BEHIND THE FIRST ENGINE BUT STOPPED AT THE HYDRANTS DITCH HYDRANT LINE. ANOTHER LITTLE PIECE I WANT TO SHOW YOU HERE IS THIS VIDEO PROGRESSES. I WANT YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE TWO FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE GARAGE THE ONE IS TRYING TO BREAK APART A BUNDLE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO EXTEND THAT HOSE LINE WITH A SMALLER DIAMETER HOSE LINE TO MAKE IT MORE MANAGEABLE AND THE OTHER ONE IS CONTINUING TO KNOCK ON FIRE AND JUST AS YOU SEE THAT THAT GUY IN THAT LIGHT COLORED GEAR WALK UP HE'S FROM RICHFIELD IN RICHFIELD ENGINE CREW HAD JUST WALKED UP AND PAY ATTENTION JUST WATCH THE GARAGE SO THERE'S A CLOSE CALL HERE FOR US LITERALLY A CLOSE CALL HERE AS TYPICALLY WE HAVE TRY TO HAVE A FIREFIGHTER ON THE AND ANOTHER FIREFIGHTER IN CHARGE OF THAT LINE RIGHT BEHIND HIM TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE RISKS AND THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE. SEE THE ROOF DID A LITTLE WAVE AND THE GARAGE COMES DOWN AND . IT JUST MISSED THE FACT ONE OF THE CHIEF SAID HOLLER AT HIM AND HE BACKED UP JUST ABOUT ABOUT THE RIGHT TIME AND THE ROOF COMING DOWN TOOK THE HOSE OUT OF HIS HAND AND PART OF THAT IS CLOSE RIGHT TO THE END OF THE LINE. THERE'S NOT A GUY BEHIND HIM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY COVERING A SIX SO TO SPEAK, PAYING ATTENTION WHAT'S GOING ON SO KIND OF AS A CONCLUSION PIECE HERE I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD A LONG RESPONSE TIME TO THIS FIRE. SOME PEOPLE DID COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT OTHER SIDE IS THERE IT IS MY HOUSE FIRE TIMES SO AND THAT GIVES YOU THE STAFFING WE HAD WE ADDED ONE ENGINE FROM RICHFIELD INTO THAT MIX WITH THREE FIREFIGHTERS AND A CHIEF FROM RICHFIELD. SO WE HAD FOUR TRUCKS AT THAT FIRE WHERE YOU KNOW TEN YEARS AGO WE'D HAD FIVE TRUCKS JUST FROM BLOOMINGTON SO. WE DID HAVE A RESPONSE TO STATION TWO WHICH WAS JUST TWO BLOCKS AWAY. THE INITIAL RESPONSE WAS ONE FIREFIGHTER COULDN'T ROLL A TRUCK BY HIMSELF. WE UP GETTING THREE MORE EVENTUALLY BUT WE HAD ALREADY HAD THE FIRE MUCH PRETTY UNDER PRETTY MUCH UNDER CONTROL BY OTHER UNITS THAT RESPONDED BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO THE STATION. SO STAFFING THE STATIONS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. STAFFING THEM ALL IS THE RIGHT ANSWER AND HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE ON OUR TRUCKS IS THE RIGHT ONCE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US. WE'RE DOING BETTER ON OUR INITIAL UNIT RESPONSE. WE'RE NOT DOING VERY WELL ON OUR MULTI-UNIT OR EFFECTIVE RESPONSE RESPONSE FORCE RESPONSE BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. QUESTIONS COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON SOME COUNCILMEMBER JUST A COMMENT I LIVE TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THAT FIRE AND I SAID THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW THANKFUL I AM TO HAVE YOUR DEDICATION AND THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HAVE SUPPORTING MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON AND I THINK I MET YOU DO YOU FEEL LIKE 2018 AT A CLASS AND I WAS SHOCKED WHEN YOU SAID WE ARE A PART TIME ON CALL BY DEPARTMENT AND I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AROUND TOWN SAYING OH WE'RE PROBABLY INVESTING TOO MUCH IN THE FIRE AND MY COMMENT ON THAT IS TELL THAT'S THE ISSUE WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE AND IT TAKES 7 MINUTES TO GET TO YOUR HOUSE, IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD A FULL STAFF STATION NUMBER TWO THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE AND ABOUT 30 SECONDS A LOT QUICKER AND FIRE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN CONTAINED TO THE GARAGE. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO I JUST AGAIN JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR CITY WHO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL MEMBER FULLY SUPPORTS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE SAFETY OF OUR CITY TO ENSURE THAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY A FIRE DEPARTMENT WON'T SHOW UP AND SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. LET'S REMEMBER A WOMAN WHO I KNOW MY MY WIFE WAS HEADING HOME THAT DAY AND COULDN'T THROUGH AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. I THINK THAT WAS THE MANAGER WAS OUT OF TOWN TOO SO IT WAS KIND OF EXCITING. SO WE ALSO HAD A FIRE IN OUR RIGHT RIGHT DOWN THE BLOCK TOO AND IT WAS AMAZING TO SEE HOW MANY FOLKS WERE ABLE TO TURN OUT AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 2 A.M. IN THE MORNING WHEN THAT THING GOT STARTED. I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND I THINK WE CANNOT THE COMMENT THAT YOU STARTED THIS WHOLE THING OUT WITH WITH THE IDEA OF THE CULTURAL CHANGE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SERVE ON THE FIRE PENSION BOARD AND AND TO MAKE THESE CHANGES THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK EVEN JUST GROWING UP HERE TO IT IS A CULTURAL CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S JUST THIS BELIEF THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN HAVE THIS VOLUNTEER PAID ON CALL FOLKS MAKE THIS WORK IN THE NUMBERS REALLY ILLUSTRATE THE SEVERITY OF THE PROBLEM AND I'M HOPING AS WE I'M GLAD THAT WE HAD THE BUDGET DISCUSSION TODAY ABOUT THAT AND SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THE SAFER GRANT, I THINK WE THE RISK BY NOT INVESTING SOME DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL DOLLARS INTO THIS THAT WE REALLY PUT OURSELVES BEHIND AND IN A BIG WAY. SO I HOPE THAT WE WILL AS WE LOOK TO TO TAKE THIS INVESTMENT IT TAKES TIME THAT TO GET THIS BUILT UP AND SO I HOPE THAT WE WILL ONE LAST IN THIS PORTION OF IT ABOVE BEYOND THAT SAFER AND A LOT SAFER GROUND LET'S MARIN NELSON THANKS MAYOR. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. DO YOU ANTICIPATE A CHANGE IN THE ISO RATING IN THE MEETING? A VERY GOOD YES I DO OKAY. AND I IT TO THAT RANKING OR THAT RATING GOING UP IN THE SENSE OF A HIGHER NUMBER OF THREE I'D BE HAPPY IF WE STAY A3I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE ENDED UP A FOUR. THANK YOU FOR THE CANDID OPINION AND THEN JUST SWITCHING DIRECTLY THE FIRE I THINK LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DOING TRAINING WITH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO SORT OF THE FIRST RESPONSE FOR PARAMEDICS BEFORE THEY BEFORE THE AMBULANCE ARRIVES TO SHORTEN THE TIME BEFORE YOU GET SOMEONE INTO THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE TO GET THE MEDICAL TREATMENT YOU NEED. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT? THAT'S GOING VERY WELL. OKAY. WE WE'VE HIRED A NUMBER OF PARAMEDICS MOST DAYS WE HAVE THREE OF OUR ENGINES IN THE CITY STAFFED WITH ONE PARAMEDIC ON ALL FOUR. THE ENGINES ARE OUR STAFFED WITH OR OUTFITTED WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE PARAMEDICS NEED AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S GOING VERY WELL WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON ON MEDICAL RESPONSE AND YOU KNOW WE WE WE WORK THOSE THOSE CRITICAL CASES TOGETHER AND IT'S WORKING VERY WELL BECAUSE THOSE PARAMEDICS ARE ABLE TO NOT ONLY DO SOME ADVANCED CARE TREATMENTS BUT ALSO GET DRUGS ON BOARD ASSIST AND IN TREATING THOSE PATIENTS. SO I'VE GOT SOME GOOD STORIES ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO BRAG TOO MUCH BUT BECAUSE THE FALL OF THE DELAYED RESPONSE TIMES ARE NOT A FAULT OF OUR AMBULANCE. IT'S A FAULT OF THE SYSTEM AND THE SYSTEMS BEING OVERLOADED, THE HOSPITALS BEING OVERLOADED. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAID BUT IT'S WORKING VERY WELL. CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AND EXPAND THAT PROGRAM WELL I CAN HEAR IN YOUR TONE AND IN YOUR VOICE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT HAPPY. YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED. RIGHT. AND I CAN I CAN HEAR THAT AND I THINK WE ALL CAN AND I CAN UNDERSTAND I MEAN YOU'RE THE CHIEF YOU WANT TO DO BETTER YOU'RE YOU'RE PUSHING YOU WANT YOU WANT IT TO BE YOU WANT THOSE NUMBERS TO BE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU SHOW TO TO MOVE THE YOUR DEPARTMENT IN THIS DIRECTION I REALLY DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LACK IT'S NOT A LACK OF TRAINING. IT'S NOT A LACK OF EFFORT. IT'S NOT A LACK OF IT'S NOT A LACK IT'S A LACK OF BODIES THE HANDS THAT YOU NEED AND WE GET THAT AND WE GET THAT. AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AND IF I ASK YOU A NUMBER IN THE WRONG DIRECTION IF WE'RE NOT QUITE AT THE NUMBERS YOU WANT FOR RESPONSE, THERE'S THERE'S AN I THINK BY BY THIS COUNCIL THERE'S THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHY AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF ANYONE. IT'S THE THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND IT. SO WE APPRECIATE IT AND IF YOU COULD PASS ON TO YOUR ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE ASSISTANT CHIEF AS WELL, I MEAN WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND THE OUTSTANDING STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND CONTINUE TO BE TAKEN TO MAKE THIS A SAFER COMMUNITY SO. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT MAYOR COUNCIL TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEY WILL TO I WILL SAY THAT THAT AND LIKE I STARTED OFF BY SAYING WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO THROW THEMSELVES AT PROBLEMS AND PICK UP SLACK AND CARRY MORE THAN PERHAPS THEY THEY SHOULD AND AND BUT THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY REALLY LIKE WHAT THEY DO SO I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK THOUGH AND ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW ABOUT THE ISO ISSUE BEFORE IT HAPPENED THAT'S WHY YOU THE CHIEF THAT SAID LEADERSHIP IT'S A SMART LEADERSHIP MOVING FORWARD SO ANYTHING ELSE FOR CHIEF CELE THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANKS FOR STICKING OUT LATE FOR US. I APPRECIATE IT. ANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL. OUR LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS ITEM 5.6 OR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE A QUICK REVIEW OF OUR LISTENING SESSION EARLIER THIS EVENING WE HAD THREE SPEAKERS SALLY NESS I BROUGHT FORWARD AGAIN HER CONCERNS ABOUT HANDICAP PARKING AT DAR AL FAROOQ WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT ABOUT WHERE THE RESPONSIVE BUILDING MIGHT LIE AND HOW WE MIGHT SOLVE THAT. WE HEARD FROM HALLETT REGARDING THE BIKE THE PROPOSED OR BIKE PATH WHICH WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE NINE MILE CREEK PROJECT BROUGHT FORWARD SOME INTERESTING CONCEPTS AND, BROUGHT FORWARD AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE, APPRECIATED HEARING FROM MATTHEW THIS EVENING AND THEN ANDY SPOKE TO US AS WELL AND MR. THUL ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE DISABILITY ACCESS AT DAR AL-FAROUQ AND ASKED FOR SOME SPECIFIC REGARDING WHAT THE THE CHANGES WERE MADE OR IF THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER OR WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT THE STEPS TAKEN WERE TO GET TO THAT POINT. AND SO THAT WAS OUR THAT WAS OUR LISTENING SESSION THIS EVENING AND AGAIN 33% ONE THIRD BRAND NEW PEOPLE FOLKS I HADN'T HEARD FROM HALLETT BEFORE WHEN HE BROUGHT A VERY INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE TO WHAT WE HAD THIS TO WE WERE ABLE TO LISTEN TO. THERE WAS ONE THING THAT I ABSOLUTELY WANTED TO MENTION TODAY YOU CAN FIND IT HERE. I HOPE YOU SAW IT AND I'M ASSUMING YOU ALL DID LIVABILITY. OKAY ARE PUBLISHED ITS TOP 100 BEST PLACES TO LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES AND FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW BLOOMINGTON WAS IN THE TOP 25 AND THREE OTHER CITIES FROM MINNESOTA MADE THE LIST ROCHESTER, DULUTH AND SAINT PAUL. BUT WE WERE THE HIGHEST RANKING OF THE FOUR MINNESOTA CITIES AND I JUST TO READ OH AND ALSO I MEAN THIS IS THIS IS THEY DO THEIR RANKINGS BASED AT CITIES WITH POPULATIONS BETWEEN 75,000 AND 500,000 WITH A MEDIAN HOME VALUE OF LESS THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. AND HERE'S WHAT THEY WROTE WITH ITS VIBRANT COMMUNITY GREAT SCHOOLS AND A GOOD BALANCE OF CITY CONVENIENCE AND NATURAL BEAUTY, BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA HAS EARNED A WELL-DESERVED AS A GREAT PLACE TO CALL HOME THE CITY STRONG ECONOMY LOW CRIME RATE AND TOP NOTCH HEALTH CARE FACILITIES LEND TO ATTRACTION AS A FAMILY FRIENDLY DESTINATION WHILE ITS PROXIMITY TO AND ROBUST ECONOMY APPEAL TO YOUNG PROFESSIONALS SEEKING BUILD CAREERS IN INDUSTRIES SUCH AS RETAIL, HOSPITALITY AND HEALTH CARE. THIS I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS COMING OUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID MR. RUBIO YET SOMEBODY IT TO ME YESTERDAY MORNING THEY SAID HEY VERY NICE JOB THE RATING AND I SAID I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT I IT WAS WAS A PLEASANT SURPRISE AND A GOOD I THINK AFFIRMATION OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO CULTIVATE THIS ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE SOME OUTSIDE AFFIRMATION OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING. THIS ISN'T US SAYING THIS. THIS IS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S WHO'S POINTING THE FINGER OUR DIRECTION. AND SO IT'S A IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS GOOD NEWS . IT WAS VERY GOOD TO HEAR MR. BRILLIANT I'M SURE YOU GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM ABOUT THIS AS WELL. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR COMMUNICATION STAFF UNSURPRISINGLY WAS ALL OVER THIS SITE AS SOON AS IT WAS POSTED SO BY THE TIME I SHARED IT WITH THEM AND SAID HEY HERE YOU GO, THEY WERE LIKE WE'RE ALREADY ROLLING IT OUT. SO NO, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING PARTICULARLY TIME TO HAVE THE HEADS UP BUT NOT WE WERE NUMBER 21 YOU MENTIONED WE CRACKED THE TOP 25 AND IT IS AGAIN FOCUSED ON COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LIVABILITY COMPONENTS AND AND ONE OF THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT ONES IS AFFORDABILITY ALL RIGHT SO I'M I'M SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE ISSUE WITH FACT THAT A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES IN MINNESOTA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. BUT YOU KNOW, ACCESS AND OPPORTUNITY ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND IN BLOOMINGTON THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THE COUNCIL'S BEEN FOCUSED ON IS WANTING THIS TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL'S WORK, BECAUSE OF OUR JUST LOCAL FORCES AND JUST OTHER ATTRIBUTES OF THE COMMUNITY DOING A GOOD JOB ACHIEVING THAT STANDARD IT'S COULDN'T AGREE MORE. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, MR. RUBY I HAVE ONE ITEM MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THIS IS IN THE CATEGORY OF JUST A HEADS UP YOU KNOW WITH OUR COUNCIL POLICY IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT POPS UP LATE THEN THE CITY MANAGER IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE IT. IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT ON TO A COUNCIL AGENDA AND THEN BRING IT BACK IN AS SOON AS WE CAN SO THE MAYOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF ARE GOING TO BE ATTENDING A U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS MAYORS AND POLICE CHIEF TASK FORCE MEETING DOWN IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS EARLY NEXT WEEK. SO COUNCILMEMBER WILL BE THE ACTING MAYOR FOR PURPOSES OF PRESIDING OVER THE MEETING WHILE BUSSEY AND CHIEF HODGES ARE IN FORT WORTH. WE'LL HAVE THAT TRAVEL APPROVAL ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY AND ALWAYS WITH THE PROVISO THE MAYOR UNDERSTANDS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO PAY FOR IT THEN THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE OUT OF POCKET A TRIP TO FORT WORTH. SO BUT WE'RE MAKING SURE COUNCIL IS NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THAT LAST PART IN PARTICULAR MR. RUBIO IT'S GOOD COUNSEL. ANYTHING TO ADD THIS EVENING COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER TWO VERY QUICK THINGS ONE OF THREE SORRY THREE THINGS ONE HAD A BLAST AT THE GRAND OPENING OF SMITH PARK THE MAYOR WAS THERE THE BIG RIBBON CUTTING IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE OVER THERE IF YOU HAVE KIDS AND YOU HAVE GONE OVER THERE DO IT. IT'S ACTUALLY THE ART SCHOOL COURSE IS GOOD FOR ADULTS SO DON'T BE AFRAID AND I WAS HOPING THAT THE MAYOR AND I COULD RAISE IT BUT I HAVE A BOMB NEED. HE HAS ONE KNEE AND WE SAID NO IT WAS GOOD BUT IT WAS REALLY FUN. KUDOS TO AN AND ALIYA AND PARKS AND REC TEAM. THAT WAS A GREAT GREAT LITTLE OPENING IN THE FIRST OF WHAT WE'LL SEE HAPPENING YOU KNOW YEAR AFTER YEAR AROUND HERE AS WE DO OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SECONDLY RELATED TO TONIGHT EVEN LIKE THERE'S THIS A SOMETIMES NEW BUSINESSES COME INTO THE CITY AND THEY ACTUALLY CONTACT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SAY HEY COME SEE US LIKE SAY HELLO AND I GOT TO DO THAT TODAY WITH THE FOLKS AT NEXT OUR NETWORK THEY WERE THEY HAVE A NEW THEY MOVED FROM SAINT PAUL TO BLOOMINGTON THEY HAVE SIX OF THE SIX FLOOR OVER AT 7760 KIM HARBISON THEY'RE MANAGER REACHED OUT TO ME. I GOT TO MEET JULIAN SKADDEN, CEO KATE CINNAMON WHO RUNS THEIR NONPROFIT. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ACTUALLY HELP BUSINESSES IN THE HOME SERVICES LIKE RESIDENTIAL HOME SERVICES SPACE BECOME BETTER AT THEIR JOB AND I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER PLACE FOR THEM TO BE THAN IN BLOOMINGTON GIVEN HOW MANY OF OUR OF OUR TRADESMEN YOU KNOW LIVE AND WORK AROUND HERE. AND SO IT WAS A REALLY NICE CONNECTION TO SOME OF WE HEARD AROUND TRADES TODAY SOME OF WHAT WE KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING WITH THE THE BLOOMINGTON SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY PULLING TOGETHER SOME KIND OF A TRADE CAREER OPTION. THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE VALUABLE RESOURCES FOR US AND SO I'LL BE DOING SOME WORK OFF LINE TO CONNECT TO THEM SO BUT REALLY NICE AND I LOVE THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS PARTICIPATE AT ALL BUT I DO I THINK THEY'RE GREAT AND I MADE SOME FRIENDS WHICH WAS REALLY NICE AND THEY HAD AN OPEN BAR AND I DIDN'T PARTAKE BECAUSE I WAS COMING HERE. THAT MADE ME SAD. LAST THING CAN WE PLEASE GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR CHAIRS. MY BACK IS KILLING ME TODAY MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I'VE I'VE THE PURCHASE ORDER SO THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS I THEY'LL BE ARRIVING SHORTLY IN YEAH IN TIME FOR THE SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING OF THE SECOND FLOOR. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. FERRARI COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THANKS MAN. I JUST GOT TWO QUICK ITEMS I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN A MEETING WITH THE HATCH BLOOMINGTON PROGRAM WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELPING KIND OF DO THE JUDGING FOR THAT PROGRAM. AND I WAS VERY ENCOURAGED TO LEARN THAT 93 PEOPLE HAVE STARTED APPLICATIONS FOR THAT . SO TO SEE THE ENERGY OF OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE IN BLOOMINGTON IS IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'VE COMPLETED THE APPLICATION AND APPLICATIONS ARE DUE BY MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAY SO BUT IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THAT PIPELINE OF PROJECTS COMING FORWARD THAT LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT FOR THIS AND SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE . SECOND ITEM I HAD IS I WAS AT A BOARD MEETING FOR BE VP EARLIER TODAY AS WELL AND IT'S THEIR 50TH ANNIVERSARY AND IT JUST A QUICK REQUEST TO THE CITY IF THERE'S ANY WAY THEY CAN AMPLIFY THAT THEY'RE DOING A COMMUNITY GATHERING I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 11TH IF WE CAN MAKE SURE TO SHARE THAT MESSAGE IT'S OVER AT THEIR FACILITY. THEY'RE SO PERFECT PERFECT. SO IF BUT YEAH IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT ORGANIZATION THE COMMUNITY AND STILL KIND OF STAGGERING THAT IT'S 50 YEARS AND HOW MUCH GROWTH THEY'VE DONE AND WHAT ALL THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE DONE I MEAN THEY'RE STILL STRUGGLING YOU KNOW THE THE FOOD INSECURITY IS VERY, VERY REAL AND THE PRICE OF FOOD OBVIOUSLY HITS THEM VERY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THEM AS A COMMUNITY IS GREAT AND WITHOUT QUESTION AND THANKS FOR VISITING THE NEW BUSINESS AND FOR SERVING ON THE WHEAT BOARD. WELL THEN SO THANKS MR. RUBY. ONE MORE THING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT I THINK A WEEK AND A HALF AGO WE HAD SOMETHING IN THE PTW ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY WORK THAT'S GOING ON WITH A LOT THE FIBER INSTALLATION AND I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE IT ENDED BEING TIMELY AND RELEVANT WE ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS LAST WEEK FOR CONTINUED BAD BEHAVIOR PARKING EQUIPMENT ON ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF HOMES WHERE THE RIGHT OF WORK IS BEING DONE AND THEIR LACK OF RESPONSIVENESS TO IT AND ADVISED THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED LACK OF COMPLIANCE WOULD RESULT IN US PULLING ALL OF THEIR CURRENT AND PAST PERMITS SO AS I SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL BEFORE AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THERE BE SOMEBODY WATCHING TONIGHT BUT MORE FOR YOU AS YOU SPEAK WITH CONSTITUENTS IF PEOPLE ARE EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION OR THEY FEEL THAT SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS OR SUBCONTRACTORS ARE NOT FOLLOWI THE RULES FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING WHILE WORKING THE RIGHT WAY IS TO PLEASE LET US BECAUSE OUR STAFF IS REALLY TRYING TO GET AFTER THEM. THERE ARE SO MANY OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE REALLY STRESSED RIGHT NOW TO TRY AND STAY ON TOP OF ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO IT'S REALLY THAT PEOPLE SHARE INFORMATION WITH US SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. BUT THAT'S HAPPENING AND I JUST WANT TO REASSURE COUNSEL THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ON PREMIER NELSON 1/2 BUT I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE NOT ONLY COMMUNITY THAT'S EXPERIENCING THAT AND HAVE WE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS TO KIND OF SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IF WE HAVE A BAD ACTOR HERE MAYBE RICHFIELD WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT THAT THEY CAN BE PROACTIVE THERE OR VICE VERSA IF THEY KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT THEY HAD TO TAKE AGAINST WOULD BE NICE TO GET THAT INFORMATION NOW. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE THE PROLIFERATION OF PERMITS LAST YEAR CITIES WERE HAVING A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH MORE SO BECAUSE WE WERE WONDERING WHY IS THIS HAPPENING ALL OF A SUDDEN AND WHO ARE ALL THESE NEW ENTRANTS INTO THE MARKET AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO THEY WERE RIGHT AND UNSURPRISINGLY NOT MANY OF THEM WERE VERY WILLING TO SHARE MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAN WHO THEY ARE AND MAYBE WHO THEY'RE WORKING ON BEHALF OF BECAUSE. THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY A LOT OF THEIR THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESS PLAN OR MARKET INFORMATION. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW COMMUNICATING BETWEEN CITIES, I'D HAVE TO CHECK BACK WITH OUR STAFF OVER AND ENGINEERING THAT'S MANAGING THOSE PERMITS AND SEE IF ARE TALKING TO THEIR COLLEAGUES. BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT COUNCIL ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT HEARING NONE OF OUR AGENDA IS COMPLETE. I'D LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO I MOVED MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADJOURN FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I WAS MOTION CARRIED SEVEN ZERO THANKS FOR THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED THANKS EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING THANK YOU THE STAFF EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD REST YOUR WEEK