Recording in progress. Hi, Rick. Long time. So we've got Maria here. She's in Taiwan, but no, she's not. We just talked to he. I now declare the Plano city Council is convened in open session. That all council members are present, with the exception of Mayor Pro Tem two and council member Ricciardelli and council member Rick Smith will be on zoom. The council will now recess into executive session in the children's program room to hold a closed executive meeting pursuant to the provisions of Vernon's Texas Code Annotated Government Code, chapter 551. The Open Meetings Act in accordance with the authority contained in section 551 071, to consult with the attorney. Section 551 087 to discuss economic development. Thank you. All right. Okay. I now declare the Plano City Council preliminary open meeting is reconvened in open session that all council members are present, with the exception of Mayor Pro Tem two and council member Smith is on zoom. Welcome, Rick. Can you hear us? Okay, we got technology working. Great. Thanks. Our first meeting on the preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from the executive session. Our next item is discussion and direction regarding the Plano Event Center hotel and retail development. Hello, Peter. Good evening, Mayor and council. Peter Brasseur, director of special projects. I wanted this summer we had some did not have enough movement on a hotel at the Plano Center. So we undertook a study to see what to set our expectations on. What a Plano Center hotel should look like, or could look like. And in addition to that, we looked about the retail. One of the great things about the study done by Hutton was that they went out to the community and clients of the Plano Center and, and really based their report on real time analysis of what the market demand is, but a little bit of history of course, the Plano Center opened in 1990. We did a hotel RFP already once in 2018. We did a ground lease in 2020. And then of course, we terminated this year after there was no movement whatsoever to get it constructed. Sorry too fast oh point plan, which is this is part of was adopted in 2018. With that in mind, the planning department undertook a rezoning that was done in 2021 and it was a mix of uses. As you can see on the screen, mixed use, which really means retail and office, a single family, and then of course a hotel. Which is a market leader in doing these kind of studies for cities, undertook this analysis and came up with a lot of recommendation. First of all, if the they really realized that the hotel that we had under not under contract, but under the ground lease was was 175 rooms. We really need a lot more than that. They really are concerned about the brand. We did not have either of these brands with that. Former developer speaking to users of and clients of the plaintiff center, they do agreed that that is important enough to really make a difference in Plano Center's operations. And so these are their recommendations. And you'll see an optimal scenario. And but with that, though, there was quite a gap in financing on what we need to have and what we what could be affordably built. So I'll get to that in a second. But one of the other things we had them look at is the retail and restaurant on on that site. And so you can see there's a lot less retail than is currently zoned. So it would be a bit of a down zoning to accept this. But it really is based on current market conditions. And quite frankly, probably for the not too for the near future involves a little bit beyond that. Again, some green place and plaza space. These are all recommendations that we're seeing all over town, and that even some of the council members have asked for what we think will be successful in Plano. So all in all, personally, I'm happy with these recommendations and I think it is achievable. If we were to do that and then this single family land that was not part of their study, but in conjunction with it, we had an appraisal done for that land on the western side of the Plano Center, and it is valued at 3.4 million. It is based on the current zoning. So that's 17 units per acre. Or I just did the math. I don't know if that's actually the yield, but something similar to that. So we have some directions we need to ask you tonight on the hotel sort of are we prepared to get the optimal or are we okay with accepting something a little less than certainly the market. And as we if we were to go out, which is the next question, we they will let us know what we think we can achieve with what we were, what we had previously done, or what we need to add to that. So that's why I'm suggesting a request for qualifications, which is much more about finding the right hotel developer as opposed to the hotel developer. And then are we prepared again to accept a smaller hotel than what's in this study, if that's what the economics tell us on the retail? It's again, are we willing to take less density with the office and retail for at least the first phase of development and are you okay with a request for qualifications to find that retail person? I don't believe that a hotel person and a retail person would be one and the same. They could obviously bid on both or apply for the qualifications for both, but I think we should go out separately and then again on the single family land, are you? It would need to be a phased sale because we need some of this land right now for parking. But all in all, are you ready to do that? And we again we would on that particular one. We would do a straight sale. The other two are ground leases. And there's reasons for the ground leases has to do with some of the other things the city is working on with the legislature on qualifying hotel. So with that, I'm happy to ask any questions or anything else you have to sa. Thanks, Peter Shelby. Well, in my mind, the biggest challenge with development is that once it's developed, it's developed. So I would be an advocate for doing this right than just doing something to fill it for the time being so that we can make the area and Plano Event Center what we really envision. Go ahead. I'd support an RFQ. That means yeah. Thank you Anthony I'm sorry. Go ahead. So just a quick question, Peter. When you talk to additional financial participation to make this something that's in line with the consultant's report, would that be hotel occupancy tax or how would that be funded? Good question. There's lots of they actually recommended lots of things. But the amount I believe in the report is somewhere close to 60 million. I just don't see that in our future. But you know, I don't have to deal with the budget as much as you people. Well, but I was just wondering in terms of source of funds, source of fund, there's a whole bunch of hotel occupancy tax. I don't I think some of it would be because hotels. But it's very their uses are very specific when it comes to I think it's mostly marketing isn't it. And so probably not. But you could do bonds and tours and tips and all those kind of things. So yeah, there's a whole list of things on how to do it in the report. Okay. Gotcha. Well, and real quick, Councilman, I think part of the part of the goal is to bring on the consultants. So that they can actually bring a menu of options for council to consider. And we are looking at that. So bringing on the qualified consultant that can actually outline and then find direction from Council of which way we want to go to frame this as we go out is part of the goal of this. All right. Thank you. Sure. If we find it sorry to add on to Mr. Israelson, we would find a qualified developer, someone who's willing at least to look at the and suggest ways of how what they can and cannot do with their own financing mechanisms. Thank you. Thank yo, Peter, for the presentation. I was aware of the hotel back when I was on Parks and Rec, and what was sold during Envision Oak Point was a concept that was similar to the Hotel Blue in Chicago, which, if you're not familiar with, is an architecturally fantastic hotel. So I'm a similar mind as Councilman Williams in that I don't want to short sheet the city of Plano with going something of a lesser quality if it means a smaller, more boutique hotel, maybe that might work. But again, I don't want to see any of the hotels motels we see along Central Expressway place there, because I think that would be unfair to the residents that are going to be in the single family areas. And I also think that it's not what we envisioned when we saw Envision Oak Point. So I think the RFQ is probably the route to go. And if I may, the recommendation in the study is an upper upscale brand at either Hilton or Marriott. And that was clear not just from them, but from the clients of the Plano Center, because if they're trying to run an event or a use a conference, there are people who want to attend are Hilton and Marriott members, and that's what they want. So it's clear that that is the direction we should go. It's going to be tricky to get that within our RFQ, but I think we can do it. And so that's not what we had. And so yeah, I 100% the report supports what you're saying. Thank you. Yeah I, I agree Peter I think talking with a lot of clients who who love coming to the Plano Center but need a multi-day or much larger convention and that hotel is critical to adding that part that we really don't have, we haven't captured because we don't have a hotel. So I think the quality aspect of it is really important. And again, th, the, the sports aspect of, of that hotel being close by tournaments and things like that is also a big player. So I don't think we can lose either way. But I think we should go okay with the I think in the plan there was a spot for a second hotel, so I think we can get the number of rooms eventually. So I'm not I'm not necessarily concerned about the number of rooms, but the quality of the hotel. Yeah. And the recommendation on the retail goes along with attracting business to that because within walking distance there's not a lot of choice. There's a good Plano based restaurant chain that's close by Raising Cane's, but not everybody wants to go there every night. So. So then are you okay with going out at the same time for an RFQ to ground lease some retail at a lower scale that's recommended than in the zoning for just a small portion? Mayor Rick. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, just I'm listening. I like everything I'm hearing, and I really like Peter saying he thought the 60 million participation was a little bit too much. Good job Peter. But I think definitely at this point everybody's putting a lot of work on this. There's no reason that we shouldn't do a request, you know, for development ideas. Let's see what we get. And I do think, as Peter said, the Hilton Marriott, you know, for years, I still am members of their frequent stayer clubs and all these things and people look at that when they're, you know, making plans. So I think it would really, you know, behoove us to have, you know, that type of a marquee associated with the project. So, so I'm, I'm all for, you know, exploring it and let's, let's see what, what kind of results we get from it. Okay. Great. Thank you. And then just one lastly, the single family we can hold off on that. We can do it now. It's really up to you. I mean the I think we could sell it tomorrow quite frankly for single family. But that's up to you. Single family is great, Peter. Go after it. No, I, I don't see why we. I mean, I understand what you're saying about the parking part, but we, we talked about that on Oak Point and Vision and, and we spent a lot of time on it. So I do think I do think that markets there. So we might as well we'll go forward, pursue it. Thank you. 17 units per acre. Right. That's the current zoning. Yes. All right. Next item. Up. Update regarding the remaining heritage preservation grant funds. Oh, sorry. No, no, I'm just moving along too fast. The item three 2025 bond referendum process and project list presentation. Kare. My apologies. I never want to skip you. Karen. Rugs. Whitley. Budget director, City of Plano. Tonight. And this will, this is basically your kickoff for the bond referendum process. We will be meeting every city council meeting all the way up to February 10th. When you sign off on the actual projects and call for the election tonight, I'm just providing you a summary of the process, starting with the next City Council meeting on November 25th. Each City council meeting, you will hear from streets and all the details regarding their process. Public public works, engineering. You're going to hear from all of us. So the city of Plano is on a four year cycle for bond authority. The city is scheduled to exhaust our authority for our streets projects in the spring. With that being said, debt may be issued over a 4 to 5 year period, and when I get to the tax rate impact, you will see why I'm mentioning that it is a lower rate on the tax rate impact. If we are to issue over five years, bonds are issued for our capital assets. Roads, facilities, parks with an expected life of 20 years or more. The authority is by the citizens through the referendum process. However, you all make the decision every year. What projects will be built. So we are only bond. Referendums are only providing the authorization to go out and issue the debt. As far as the city's concerned, we can only educate. We cannot advocate for the passage of any of the projects. The election is scheduled for May 3rd, 2025. Y'all did select a bond referendum, citizen Advisory committee and I forgot which one of y'all mentioned it. It might have been several of y'all to take them on site visits, so we've been doing site visits with them and they have been very, very appreciative. This last Friday we went through the police headquarters. We also went through 911. We went over to the Plano Police Training Academy, and they got to see all the conditions and what everybody is dealing with. They were very, very appreciative of the site visits. This is just a look at the past 20 years. We've always been very successful with our bond referendums. There's only been two that have not gone through over the last several years. One of them was the Performing Arts Center, and the other one was the movement of the Collingwood House. We have outstanding current authority. This is from the 2021 bond referendum we have. The original authority was 364 million. We've issued to date 232 million. Next year in the spring, we will finalize the street improvements of 59 million. Right now in the budget, we do have that we will be issuing an $85 million bond sale in the spring. So we will have like 50 million. We will issue in the following year, but streets will be totally out. This is just a look at the tax rate impact over the last 20 years. And we only have gone up on the tax rate one time. And that was during the great economic recession. If that occurs over the next 4 or 5 years, that'll be great. Of course, we're in different times that back then we were growing a growing city. Our praised property values were coming in and we had a lot of new growth going on just as far as the calendar January through June. The city staff prepared their initial project list, subscriptions and financial analysis in July, y'all appointed the bond referendum citizen Advisory Committee. August through December, the bring back the Bond Referendum Committee and boards and commissions are all scheduled to review all the projects. They will provide a written recommendation to you, all that you will receive at the end of December. Tonight, a course is the kickoff on all this November 25th, we will have our first public hearing for Citizen input. You also will hear from parks and Rec at that night regarding details regarding their different projects. December 9th we have where are you going to hear details regarding all the facilities. And we have a second public hearing December 17th. You will hear from streets the due date for all the recommendations from the boards and commissions and the bond Referendum citizen Advisory Committee are due December 20th, January 13th. We go into the new year. This is when y'all will start discussions. You will have all the recommendations. We will have a third public hearing January 27th. The City Council is scheduled to agree on all the propositions to be submitted. And then February 10th, you will consider the ordinance to call the election February and March. We have voter educational material that's developed in early March. We will send that out through the Community Impact newspaper and then march through April. We do a bond referendum road show, and we go to like the rotary Clubs, the homeowners associations, the senior center. We have a whole bunch of presentations where we get the word out to citizens. April 10th, we will have a digital town hall meeting. We must publish notices for the election April 1st through 18th. We will have a bond video that will air for three weeks and then early voting will be April 21st through April 29th. With the election day of May 3rd. Now I'm going to start going through the initial projects. I know I've mentioned to this before we started. The initial list started at $1.6 million or $1.6 billion, sorry. And it got down to 700. Right now, these are just the initial projects the police headquarters, PSC move movement of them out to the corner of Alma and Park Boulevard, off the hall track. We also have in here to add a fire station 14. Fire station eight needs to be remodeled. We preliminarily went out for some amount for that in the last. We've already gone through that and we need more fire station three land acquisition and design. And then the Plano Training Center renovation. Expansion right now is projected in here at $27.3 million. So the total on public safety right now is $219.9 million. Now, I'm going to bring up Chief Drain this list. It's an ever changing list. We had a meeting with the City of Richardson regarding the police training center renovations. They do pay us. They will reimburse us. So when we met with them, they said, hey, why are you doing a renovation? Why are we not looking for a complete rebuild? So I'm going to have the chief discuss that with you. Yes, and I don't have a fancy PowerPoint because, as Karen said, we're going to brief the council in December and you guys will get that. But our range was opened in 1990. It was it was finished in 1990, occupied about 1991. So it's a pretty old facility over 30 years old. The initial plan that I got was for a renovation, and this was over 18 months ago, well before it was time to present that to the city manager's office. And Richardson did at that time bring up, hey, did you guys look at doing a rebuild? So we so I so I thought that was a good idea because I always like a new build, not a rebuild but a new build versus doing a renovation. And we got plans from the architect to do that. It wasn't time to submit that yet. When we get closer, we'll look deep dive into those and take a look. However, what it came back, at least to me, was, is that we would have to rebuild where the existing facility is. Tear that up, which means we've got to move for a couple of years, or we got to find another location. Neither was neither of those were going to work for me, because now we're going to be separated from our firing range and our driving pad that we also need. But as we got closer, Richardson submitted some things to their guys and they said, we think we can actually rebuild on the driving pad that came up in the meeting that Karen and I were talking about, and I had already been considering this because at our Brac meeting, we had a member that brought that up and asked about that. And we also are going through a renovation. We just finished the renovation at the police headquarters. Much smaller renovation did not add any square footage whatsoever. About a $1.2 million renovation on that big facility. And it was a beat down for us, quite frankly. We had to move people, we had to do a lot of things. And then, of course, there were some things that came up that weren't accounted for with with crossbeams and foundations and asbestos. And I suspect similar things are going to come up with the academy. So, so I think on a dollar for dollar basis, we would get more for each dollar that we spent with the new bill versus trying to go with the renovation. I am convinced that we can move the track and that we can do so. That's a tough area, especially since they've cut off Plano Parkway, cut off our a lot of our training ground there. But the engineers and the architects are clear that we can remove that and still do it safely and then build the new facility right there. The biggest benefit for doing that, though, is that it would be a lot less disruptive to our operations. We could continue to train for that 18 months, two years while that's going on and then move into the new facility. So I just want I thought that because we're raising those numbers, I thought that we owe you an explanation as to why that we're doing that. Any questions related to that? So mayor and Council, I'll just add in that in talking with our facilities folks and Jack Carr today, right now, they're still working through what the estimated numbers would look like right now. The number would raise from 27 million to 51 million, and they would try to come in underneath that. As is the assurances I've got, is that we will only spend what we need to achieve the mission. But it looks like the high end cap would be 51 million. So it'd be raising these numbers here obviously by that, by that $24 million. So instead of 219, it would be closer to $245 million for public safety. But one of the things I talked with the chief about today, while we were standing around waiting for court today, was you know, part of the challenge is making sure it's the best use of the dollar. And if we go through and we make a renovation and we spruce up a building, that doesn't work very well for us, it becomes a challenge long term. And we want to we want to make sure that if we're spending the money, we're getting a long term value at it. It meets the needs of the department and really becomes a, you know, an important feature for how we're actually training our officers. So with that, you know, the chief came forward with this, and I felt it was important enough to bring it back to you. But I always want to make sure that we're pointing out that if we are changing the numbers for that one particular area that we bring back and we're transparent exactly where it is, and then it's up to the council to decide whether, you know, this is the right bond referendum to bring this forward. And if this is the right project. I'll say that I had a little bit of heartburn about the $700 million proposal for our bonds to begin with. Of course, down from a lot more than that. But for everything I've heard from our public safety, from our officers about the needs of the training facility, I'd support building a new facility. And in fact, even though that's a hefty price tag, roughly 250 million in all, I think between the police headquarters, the additional fire station, and the training facility, it's probably well worth it and probably can't wait another four years. But if we are going to, I have to say this if we're going to build the training facility, I'd ask that we don't build it on an old burial ground because I saw Poltergeist and that would be a significant disruption to operations. We won't understand. We'll make sure that we avoid the poltergeist situation any other but council. If you all are comfortable, then one of the things that we will do is, again, you still have a citizen committee making recommendations. We will change from a renovation and expansion to a rebuild, and we will change the numbers so that they're aware of that as they go through their consideration. Again, they did a tour of this, but we wanted to make sure that as soon as we had kind of that max number that we brought it back to, you got your feedback and input on that, and you felt comfortable with making that switch. And if you're comfortable with that, we will make that switch. And let them continue their work. Yeah. And we did take the Brac committee. We showed them the academy on Friday as Karen mentioned. Of course they report to you, not to me. But the consensus was, I gathered that they think that we should go with the new build as well. So thank you. Thanks, chief. Oh, sorry. Anthony. Were you going to carry that over? Yeah. Anymore? Oh, okay. This relates. Oh okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That was your public safety. Municipal facilities totals $58 million. It includes an expansion of Parkway Service Center and the fleet. We also brought the bond referendum committee over there for a site visit. In addition, it's some land acquisition for phase one of a new facility maintenance facility. Ours is you will hear all the details regarding all these specific projects as their dates. Come on. But anyway, it is an older, older facility. That's your municipal facilitie. We have library facilities and improvements. Schimmelpenning par library, Haggard Library that totals $4.9 million. And then the next is for all the parks and recreational facility improvements. We have the hall Park, which actually is attached to where the new fire station would go. And the police headquarters. And 911. We do have land acquisitions up here at $43 million. I know the JC Penney that may be coming in lower. So it could be some of those dollars could be transferred over for the new training police center. Anyway, the community park renovation is for Shell Park, and then we have various park and recreation trail approvals. So that's 75 million. There. Then we have street improvements, arterial concrete repairs, street and alley repairs, alley reconstructions, the whole gamut we have on the streets, and the total for them is $342.3 million. So when everything is said and done right now, tonight we have $700 million and we will be making changes as we go through the process. So mayor and council doing the math again, if you're if you're considering what we have on our agenda with some of the park side of things, as well as what we're adding in, it would be 725 until we start paring down some of the other projects. And so that's that's where it stands, right now. Anthony. Thank you, Mayor. So that that actually segues into the comments. I was going to make. I also support the new build. You know, I think it sounds like we really need to do that, given the total price tag of this bond package and the fact that on the slide you showed earlier, this is the second largest projected tax impact that we've had. You know, going back to that's true. This millennium. And the only one that was larger actually caused the tax increase. Granted that was in the Great Recession. So conditions may or may not be be different. But you know, I would, as you said, with the JC Penney parkland, you know, look for areas to, to repurpose money to pay for that rebuild. And, and also just in general, you know, looking for opportunities maybe for, for things that could wait another four years because I think, you know, it's likely there could be a significant impact from, you know, the largest bond package that we've, that we've ever proposed. And the other thing I was going to mention, I don't know if tonight is the, the, the night for this discussion or if this is further along in the process, but I thought I'd at least preview it. Something I brought up four years ago, kind of maybe too late in the process, was on the educational materials. We typically put the cost of the proposed tax rate increase, which I think is a valuable number for our residents. But I think there's sometimes confusion that that that the dollar amount of additional taxes for the average homeowner attributable to the, you know, in this case, potential 2.13 cent tax rate increase is the total cost of the bond package for the average resident, when in fact the total cost is much greater because we're also replacing debt that as as we pay it off and so I would love to see on our educational materials that we keep that number that we've traditionally had for the cost of the proposed tax rate increase. But also just the total cost of the bond package for the average resident, so that residents know as they're voting on this, what is the total cost to them? Not not just of the increase, but of the debt. That's replacing older debt. So basically taking it in isolation and then taking it as part of our big overall financial package. That's right. Basically, you know, because the, the, the potential 2.13 cent projected tax rate increase, that's over. And above the fact that we're also replacing old debt that's that's rolling off as we retire it. Right. And so the total cost of the bond package is composed of the potential increase and also the replacement of the debt. Yeah. And I got to tell you I love that. But I will tell you this because that was my first question I asked when this came up. I go, where's the debt coming off? Because normally in years past we do have debt. That's rolling off. We do not have any debt rolling off during this time. So I know exactly what you're talking about. And I'll tell you in the previous ones, we always had a slide that we showed everybody, hey, we're paying off this. We're paying off this. We do not have any during this next four years coming off. I'm just letting you know. Well and thank you. Thank you for that information, Karen. And thank you for your excellent presentation. I guess I thought I had two questions that that brings up a third. Okay. If we don't have debt rolling off, was there a period of time where we didn't issue debt or how is it that we have a four year period where we don't have any, any debt? We know we issue debt every year. So we just it's just the timing. The last referendum, we had several things that we paid off during that time. But on this year, that was my first question, though. How about that? So I mean, it could be Councilman, it can be that we were refinancing when we had lower interest rates. There's a lot of things that can change the time period from when we're paying those. Gotcha. Well, thank you for that. Yeah. Excuse me. Thank you for that information. That's that's very educational for me. So thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you for the great presentation. Yeah. I'm sorry. What sorry. This will all be additive. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Okay. Just I wanted to bring to your attention. Of course, when you receive the actual bond referendum lists, with all the O&M expenses, we will have O&M costs going up no. This totals $9.9 million. The majority, 7.1 million of this is the addition of Fire Station 14. You cannot build a fire station without hiring the firemen to go in the fire station. So that is the majority of that, and we will be providing more details as we go along. Okay. Let's talk about the financial impact assumptions that we have provided for you tonight. We have built in new property coming online on all four years of 750 million growth in our existing tax base of three and a half. We have fun interest rates where we've called up the financial advisors. Where do you think these are going to land? And we got 5% for 26, four and a half the next two years, 4% in 2029. And if it's decided we're going to issue over five years, it's assumed 3.75% in 2030. We also have built into the projections the O&M that would be coming on for each of these projects. As I mentioned, the majority is the new the addition of the fire station. This is what the property tax base will look like going out to 29 on everything that I just said a minute ago, these are your interest rates. I right now we have 700 million new authority that's on the project list. Now y'all will be discussing all this. The final decision will occur at the end of January. Maybe you keep it at 700. It may be you go down to 500 anyway. Right now this is what we have built in though, okay. The tax rate impact, if you issue over a four year period is 4.6 cents. If we issue over a five year period in really, one of the reasons I wanted to bring this up is normally it does take about five years to issue. So it's 3.2 $0.06. And I've got some slides to show you all here in a minute. Okay. Now y'all always ask in order to have no tax rate impact. What is the amount a new bond authority that could be passed through 181 3 million if issued over four years, 301 million if issued over five years. So let me show you here. Okay. These are your alternative four years scenarios. Here. 183. This is four years. You're going to issue all the 700 million over four years. The 183, you'd have a zero tax rate impact if you do 500 million, you have 2.9 cents, 600 million, 3.75. And of cours, 700 million would be the 4.6. This is based on the average Plano home value right now of $579,000. If we issue over the five year period, it totally changes here. You can go out and do 301 million. No tax rate impact at 500. It's 1.6 $0.08 602.4 cents $0.07. And then 700 million would be 3.2 $0.06. Or at the end of the five years tax rate, impact of $151. What questions can I answer? Yes, si. Given the discussion we had during our budget cycle and tax rate, I would additionally like to see what we publish to the public showing the tax impact to multifamily residents and commercial leasers okay, per 100ft■!S of space, because all f this is all these numbers are predicated on the average single family home price exemptions, etc. I think our businesses and our multifamily residents deserve to see the impact to them as well. Okay. Anthony. Thank you mayor. Just quickly, I agree with Councilman Williams feedback and I also wanted to add in that I may have phrased it wrong earlier, referencing only the debt rolling off that we've retired. But when I was saying the total impact really what I mean is, you know, there is a cost, even at the zero tax change level, the 181 million over four years, or 301 million, I think, were the numbers over five years. There's still a cost to that because of course, we issued no, no new bonds at all. The tax rate would go down. And so I would love to see just that total cost, even kind of the part of the iceberg that's below the water, so to speak, you know, set forth for our, our homeowners, our commercial leasers, our multifamily leasers. As Councilmember Williams was alluding to. And by the way, I want to be clear on that. I'm not suggesting that not issuing bonds would be a realistic option. I mean, I certainly don't think we could get by doing that. I just want to make sure that as people are voting on this, they know the total cost of the bond package, not just the cost of the projected increase in tax rate. So the cost of doing nothing, what is the price of doing nothing? Is the baseline right? Exactly. The cost over no bond issuance at all. Just so that people know this is everything you get in this bond package and this is everything you pay for this bond package. If we add nothing to it, what would the what would the bill be? As compared to adding it? Exactly, exactly. Thank you for that. Okay, Rick. Rick, do you have any comments? I mean, you the two Ricks are liaisons, so I just thought you might. I think we're proceeding right. I like, you know, Anthony Shelby's point about breaking out the cost not only for residential, but but also for commercial, because, you know, even though maybe rental folks don't realize don't think they pay property tax, but it is built into their, their rental structure. So I think that's a good idea. And if I can just address the citizens that are participating in the bond referendum, citizens Advisory Committee, they're very active in asking smart questions. Oh, yeah, very active in touring. So I think the citizens are going to be, well represented, well represented by this group of people and the numbers we're going to be seeing are going to be based on their evaluations. Karen has set up a real nice matrix table that they prioritize what they want to see coming through. You might want to ask, what if I postponed a fire training station for years? You know, that's a simple question to ask. I'm not chief. I'm just saying it's an example. But that's something that the citizens of this advisory committee is going through. So we got we we're going to get their results and we're going to go through it over the course of the next, you know, 4 or 5 months. And it's going to be a great process. Good. Yeah. They've been very, very active, asked great questions. We are scheduled with them on December 18th and they will be writing up and debating what they will be sending to y'all. But they definitely have been very, very active. And they answered really asked very, very good questions. Good. So we've had thorough, thorough meetings with them okay okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Now we're ready for the update regarding the remaining heritage preservation grant funds. Eric. Thank you for not switching presentations. I don't think I could have done that one. Well, good evening, Eric Hill, assistant director of Planning. So this is a continuation of our discussion on heritage preservation grant funds. Just a little background. There are $1.5 million available in hot revenue funds for heritage grants in this fiscal year, we have allocated 992,000 of those towards five nonprofit organizations. And the remaining 507,000 council supported as being available for grant funds for other heritage projects. So we've put together a list of those items for you, and I'll just walk quickly through those. First is monies for Preservation and Restoration. $25,000. We identified examples of preservation, restoration as a good example. We've received requests for cemetery repairs based upon storm damage, and also restoration of a sign adjacent to Kay Avenue in downtown. Education and activation. These funds would be for items such as historic tour, engaging actors and storytellers to bring activity into downtown marketing. We've looked at opportunities for advertising, branding and promotional activities, sign projects, looking at installing and updating signs along the corridors into and around downtown, and we presented these items to the Heritage Commission last month, and they supported these by a vote of 6 to 0. And if supported by council, we will begin to plan and implement these items as soon as possible. And that's my presentation for this evening. Be glad to answer questions. All right. Thank you Eric. Any questions Anthony. Thank you mayor. I did just have one question. A resident, Candace Lucas, reached out to me. She's involved with a historic cemetery preservation organization. She's signed up to speak. I signed up to speak. Okay, well, I'll wait until she speaks. Okay. All right, well, then, let's go ahead and have her speak on this, okay. Candace. Lucas. Mayor. Council. My name is Candace. Lucas and I reside in Plano at on Iowa Drive since 1988. I'm here tonight as a member of the director Board of directors of the Young Family Cemetery Association. We are tasked with the preservation and restoration on occasion of the 1847 one acre cemetery here in Plano, which is located at the intersection of 121 and independence. It's surrounded by wall on two sides by the Ridgeview Ranch Golf Course, which is city park land. As previously noted on the list here, the storms in May did tremendous damage to our cemetery. It especially affected our aging trees. These trees are. They were really crowded for a long time, and five years ago we had a tornado, if you recall, and the city helped us out at that time as well. It cleared out quite a few, but a lot of them are getting old and they were damaged extensively. You remember our city was covered with piles of debris everywhere after that storm. It took us a long time to recover. Well, those piles are still there in the cemetery. In fact, recently we had to lock the gates and not allow anyone to go in anymore, including postponing needed maintenance because of the dangers from what we call widow makers. You know what those are? Broken branches are still sort of half attached to the tree, but if you walk under them at the wrong time, you're toast. So we are in dire need of the emergency funds that are listed here on this recommendations from the Heritage Commission. We hope that you will support that idea. It will get us to back to where we can restore the site to safe visitation. It is what happened the week I put up the sign and locked the gate a lady called me an hour later and said, I saw your number at the gate. Do you know when the cemetery will be back open for visitation? My mother wants to go visit her ancestors there, and she's 94 and I'm concerned you know how long she has left to go. And we had a rather interesting conversation, but it just illustrated to me the importance to restoring it for safety, but also for maintenance. We had to postpone all maintenance because of the condition from the storm. So it hasn't been mowed or edged or anything. And it's really not it's not in the condition I like to leave it typically. So. So the remaining funds from the unused portion of the grant monies would, would get us back to where we needed to be and are really essential to our recover. The cemeteries in Plano are irreplaceable heritage assets, which could benefit long term from access to these grant funds in the future, but we are actually blocked from applying for grants because of the 500 and 1C3 rule. Young Cemetery is a 501 C 13, which is a different but similar category of nonprofit tax exempt organization. We are in good standing with the state of Texas and we apply. We report to them once a year as we do the IRS and our board is all volunteer. Our only purpose is to preserve and keep up the cemetery for heritage tourism. I actually addressed the Heritage Commission in their meeting a few weeks ago in October, about both of these issues. The 500 and 1C3 rule and the grant funds that were in excess. I would like the Council to support the Heritage Commission carving out an exception for the cemeteries in Plano to be able to apply directly for grant funds in the next grant cycle. I'm hopeful the council will support this idea, so we can continue to protect and preserve and restore these sites for the foreseeable future. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Where do I go? Oh, there he is. Sorry. Behind the column. So, Eric. What how what what would be do we do? We have a cost number on that for the cemeteries specifically. Mr. Lucas, I believe has provided an estimate on those. It would fit within that $25,000. I think it's around 10 to $11,000 is what she's quoted us right now. Okay. So it would be possible with other funds as well remaining for other projects. Okay. But Eric, is the request that all of these receive direction from council, correct. This evening we're requesting that you support these items or provide comments. And if you do so, then we'll move forward with planning and implementation. Anthony Mayor, that did bring up my question, which Miss Lucas previewed much better than I could have or would have. But so this issue about 501 C3 versus 501 C 13, as I understand it, those are both nonprofit organizations just under different sections of the Internal Revenue Code. Is there a reason that we don't allow the 501 C 13 to apply directly? We've discussed that with the city Attorney's office. We believe that we may be able to look at our rules and allow them to receive the monies directly. So we just want to do additional research, but we think it is possible at this point. Fantastic. Well, I mean, unless there's, you know, an issue precluding that, I think, you know, nonprofits that are doing heritage preservation, I'd love to see them become eligible, too. So that's great. I just wanted to provide that feedback. Thank you so much. I'd support that as well. Yeah, but but I yeah. Mayor as well I think it's a it's a worthy cause and it's not very expensive in the big scheme of things. I think we'll get a lot of return for that investment. I agree, everybody else okay with the with the other items okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next item is the consent agenda. Is there any item Council member would like to remove. And then item six is council items for discussion and future agendas. All right. We'll take a ten minute recess and return at 7:00. Beachy. Beachy. Great. You are always bringing back high quality words that I haven't heard in a while. There's an old guy. We got lots of them. It's the dad jokes. I'm a fan of dad jokes, too. Yes. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. You know, become a dad joke when you had kids. When your eyes. Yeah. What's that? My mom got it. What did you say? Yes. Wow. Well played. Ha, ha. When it became a parent. Oh my goodness! Well played. Casey. That was good. I heard that one. Oh, gotcha. I heard that. Hey, you guys want one or is it time to go? All right, let's get this started. It was a very good gam. I now declare the Plano City Council is reconvened in open session. That all members are present, with the exception of Mayor Pro Tem two. And Council member Smith will be on zoom. We will begin tonight's regular meeting with the invocation led by Matt Gaston, lead pastor with First United Methodist Church, Plano. And please join the council reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and Texas Pledge. Please stand. Go ahead. Go ahead. We'll start with you. Mayor Muns members of the council, our esteemed police officers, and support staff. Alice, on this Veterans Day. It seemed appropriate to say thank you for your service. Let's pray. Teach us, God of every nation and every community to see every question of local policy in the light of our faith. That we may check in ourselves and in others. Every passion that makes for prejudiced decisions, all ungenerous judgment, all promptings of self-assurance, all presumptuous claims. Grant us insight to recognize the needs and aspirations of the other in all of our doings, in our community, and remove our suspicions and misunderstandings that we may honor all people in you, our Lord. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stand. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Under the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas. One state under God, one and indivisible. Thank you. Be seated. So November 11th is obviously Veteran's Day, a day to honor all who are serving and have served our country. And we have a proclamation. We we've had events all this weekend and it's been a real honor to be a part of them. But in our council meeting today is Veterans Day. And I'd like to read this proclamation. Whereas the National observance honoring our veterans had its origins in Armistice Day, commemorating the end of World War One before becoming the more inclusive veterans Day and designated November 11th as the day to honor our veterans each year. And Whereas our veterans represent the best of American in answering their country's call with honor, decency, and resolve. Our veterans have shown the power of liberty and earned the respect and admiration of our great nation. Whereas on this Veterans Day, Plano recognizes all past members of our armed forces who have placed our nation's security before their own, creating a debt that we can never repay. We offer this tribute as our thanks for those dedication to duty and service that serves as an example for us all, and promotes a legacy of patriotism for future generations. Now, therefore, I, John Muns, mayor of the City of Plano, Texas, do hereby proclaim Monday, November 11th, 2024, as Veterans Day in Plano. And I do thereby encourage all citizens to join me and the Plano City Council in recognizing the sacrifice of our veterans and expressing our most heartfelt appreciation for their strength and valor in defending our nation. Thank you. Our next proclamation is hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week. November 17th through the 23rd, 2024. And Whereas, each year, the week before Thanksgiving is recognized as hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week, a time to encourage the public to take action on the issues of hunger and homelessness. And Whereas, in 2001, the Interagency Council of Homelessness issued a call for cities and counties throughout the United States to develop plans to end homelessness. And shortly thereafter, the Collin County Homeless Coalition was formed to raise awareness and unite the community in addressing the problem. Whereas the annual homeless census will take place in Plano on January 23rd, 2025. And residents are encouraged to participate by collecting packages and volunteering their time on the night of the homeless census. Now, therefore, I, John Muns, mayor of the City of Plano, Texas, do hereby proclaim November 17th through the 23rd, 2024 as hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week in Plano and I do thereby encourage all citizens to join me in the Plano City Council in looking for ways to aid those experiencing hunger and homelessness. Thank you. Okay, let's start with the consent agenda. The consent agenda. The consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically noncontroversial. Items may be removed from this agenda for individual discussion by a council member, the city manager, or any citizen. The presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. Okay. Motion to approve. Second. Thank you. I have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. All in favor, raise your hand. Rick says yes. So motion passes 7 to 0. Next item. Items for individual consideration. Public hearing items. Applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time, with three minutes assigned per speaker. The presiding officer may amend these times as deemed necessary. Non public hearing items. The Presiding Officer will permit public comment for items on the agenda not posted for a public hearing. The Presiding Officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests, length of the agenda and to ensure meeting efficiency and may include a cumulative time limit. Speakers will be called in the order the requests are received until the cumulative time is exhausted. Item number one consideration to approve a purchase and sale agreement between the City of Plano and Ccsid 6501 Legacy Owner, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, for the acquisition of property as a future park site at the southeast corner of Legacy Drive and Headquarters Drive, and authorizing the city manager to execute all necessary documents. Problem is to purchase the aforementioned property. It's 5.132 acres at the southeast corner of Legacy and Headquarters, for a total price of just over $19 million. This is something that staff has been working on since at least July of this year, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Thanks, Matt. Do you have any questions? No. Your motion. Motion to approve. Second. Thank you. I have a motion a second to approve. Item number one. All in favor, raise your hand. Okay. Motion passes 7 to 0. Item number two. Public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in Zoning Case 2020 4-3 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City ordinance Number 2015. Dash five two, as heretofore amended. Rezoning 107 acres of land located at the southeast corner of Legacy Drive and Headquarters Drive in the city of Plano, Collin County, Texas, from central Business One to planned Development 24, Central Business One to establish uses and development standards for mixed use development, directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the city, providing a penalty clause, a repealer clause, a savings clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date. Thank you. I'm Christina Day, the director of planning, and I'm here to give a overview of zoning case 2024 003, which is as stated, a request to rezone to create a plan development district on 107 acres. So we have some maps. First, we have an aerial photograph of the site. It's outlined in yellow. So you can see this is an existing corporate campus. And it is currently zoned Central Business one and is surrounded by other central business One plan development, zoning and commercial employment, zoning. The overview of this request includes the request itself. It is to create a plan development with a continuation of the existing CB1 based zoning. It would add mixed use development standards to allow residential. The current base zoning does permit residential development with a specific use permit, but rather than do this specific use permit, proper process, the applicant has proposed this plan development that allows additional amenities on site that make a mixed use development more appropriate and gives more predictability to the community so it would allow up to 750 residential units. These would be either mid-rise residential or independent living facilities. They're developed in two phases with a minimum height requirement of 15 stories, except in limited locations where they're screening a parking garage. It. The applicant did submit a concept plan for your review. We will go over that briefly. There's also an open space exhibit that is attached to the zoning, so it will be a continuing part of the ordinance. The concept plan is not attached to the zoning and therefore can be changed. So the site history, this was the JCPenney corporate headquarters and was developed as that many years ago. It was rezoned as part of the kind of legacy West series of rezonings in this are, from commercial employment to central business. 1 in 2016, there were previous cases to create a PD that came forward in 2018, 2019 and 2020. All those were either denied or withdrawn and the site has been recently sold and renovated with substantial investment in the existing property. So what is Central Business one zoning? This base zoning is one of our most intense zoning districts. It's intended to create a downtown like area similar to major cities. There's no maximum height, no lot coverage requirements, no minimum setbacks. It states. Again, the Sup at 174 dwelling units per acre. So you can tell the intensity allowed in this base zoning. So the concept plan, we've got colored areas here to help hopefully see the mix of uses that are being proposed. So the gray areas significantly are excluded from the PD. That's primarily the eastern portion of the property around what looks like a ring road. And then there has been one lot sold to a hotel owner that you see along Legacy Drive. It does retain the existing office and garages, which are the central portion of the site. It includes two new mid-rise residential towers shown in yellow. There are four restaurants shown in red, a hotel and a mix of uses on other properties. So plan development standards. This PD district has 13 sections, so it's rather extensive. I'm giving sort of a list and then I'll hit the high points. So we do also have some updates proposed to this ordinance. We do have a number of drafting errors and clerical changes. I apologize for that. But we have shown those to you. We've been passed out the updated ordinance to the council that shows any changes in red. You see, there's a 15 story to 180 foot minimum height requirement that was incorporated into other sections of the ordinance, but that reference was missed in section three, we have minimum where it should be maximum. And section four a verb was missing in seven. And then we had the wrong designation on the open space plan. So those have been corrected and we would recommend the revised ordinance. There are potential changes that you may want to consider based on the adoption of the previous item. We've gone through, and looked at where the current zoning could impact the city's operation of a public park. And so there are three recommended changes based on that very recent decision by the council. That decision I should state, was not available to P and Z. So those suggestions have not been run through the planning and zoning Commission. So standards for residential uses, up to 750 units are allowed. There is no minimum lot depth considering consistent with the base zoning, there is a minimum height. As mentioned earlier, there is a height transition to the east to be respectful of the existing icon. At Legacy Neighborhood. And there are restrictions. They're restricted to these specific lots where you see them now based on the open space pla. The open space plan again is adopted. It requires 21 acres of open space, including very specific details such as retaining and maintaining the courtyard area between the parking garage and existing large office building. A pocket park, some general green space around the water feature, and a boardwalk around the water feature. There are internal drives designated in yellow, which will be designed to the city's mixed use standard, although they will retain their private drive nature and minor amendments to this can be approved by P and Z in accordance with the zoning ordinance. So here's a little detail on the phasing. First phase 365 units. And it requires them to maintain the Co in the building that exists today. The courtyard to be maintained, other open space areas and trails and sidewalks. Phase two is an additional 385 units that would require new development, including 225 key hotel or a Co for a shell of 250,000ft■!S of nonresidential development. It will also require an additional 400,000ft■!S of the existing building to be leased and obtain a certificate of occupancy, and then additional open space features such as the addition of the waterfront Trail, the open space additions, additional trail and sidewalk, and then parking spaces for to help provide better access to the Bruce Glascock Park. So what is the comprehensive plan say about this site? It is designated the Employment Center and Open Space Network categories. Residential uses are not supported in either of those categories. However, this is somewhat complicated by the fact that there's the urban activity Center immediately to the east and then the Central business one zoning that sort of matches with the Urban Activity Center designation on the future land use map extends into this area and covers this campus. So, you see, we have a little bit of a disconnect between zoning and the future land use map in this area. So again, just some examples from the comprehensive plan as to what's expected from the Urban Activity Center. And Employment Center, and how those are very different in nature. So the overall comp plan analysis was done again prior to any parkland acquisition. So this is based on the submittal that we have prior to the previous action today. But you can see there are areas on the future land use map and dashboards that do not meet or partially meet. The other maps are generally met. There are largely meeting or partially meeting the redevelopment and growth management policy. The one conflict is with GM one. So feedback that we've had from the public. There were three letters of support from the property owners, which is the vast majority of the property, 88.8%. We also have signed letters in the property itself is the hatched area. Then there's a ring around it, which is the 200 foot buffer, and that we have four letters of support, one neutral and one in opposition. The opposition is very small and probably difficult to see because it's a red area in on a single family lot. That's a portion of the lot close to headquarters. So our total responses we had 19 in support, one neutral, three in I'm sorry, 11 in opposition for a total of 31 responses. You can see that we have other Plano responses that have come in through our online mapping system. And then no outside Plano responses, but a few other letters that were not mapped because we did not receive an address. So this is the map of the responses. And there's a kind of close up of the site that you see in the upper part of the screen. So the planning and Zoning Commission did recommend approval by a vote of 5 to 3. There are findings required to approve this request. That concludes my presentation and I'm available as is Mike Bell, the development review manager who managed this zoning request. If you have questions. All right. Any questions for staff? Deputy Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you for the presentation. Christina. Do you mind giving us a little bit of the history back in 2016, when the zoning was changed as to I think you did a good job explaining what the current zoning is, but what maybe I missed what the previous zoning was, and then what was the reasoning behind changing it at that time? JCPenney Corporation came to the city and asked to change the zoning. There was because the zoning wrapped around the northern end. Legacy West had rezoned. If I can go back to that slide, you'll be able to see it a little better. But Legacy West zoning extended along the northern side of the property and down the eastern side of the property. So it was really only that legacy drive frontage portion that was adjacent to commercial employment. So they wanted to just sort of wrap the corner and be incorporated into that CB1 zoning, kind of make that transition because really what it looked like before was they were kind of the almost the hole in the donut, if that makes sense. Oh, sorry. That's what I need to see. So if you see the area of the JCPenney campus in that CB1 zoning, you can see both North and east. So it's really just to their kind of southwest side was the commercial employment zoning. So it was trying to make it more consistent. Okay. Any questions for staff Rick. One more for just a clarification. Under Central Business one CB one, it is a highly concentrated business center, correct? That is correct. So there's no maximum heights, no minimum setbacks, no lot coverage requirements. And no open space requirements. Is that correct? That is right. So by right they can go in and the owner can place offices or throughout that whole facility and take away from the headquarter concept that that we looked at years back. Is that correct? There are a number of uses warehousing distribution, other type of commercial uses that could be allowed there. Right. Okay. That was just for clarification. Thank you. Okay. On the phasing sorry. That's okay. I just want to clarify that. So for the second phase, in order for them to finish out the second phase, the things that you listed, they have to complete that whole list of six items before they can do the final phase of the housing. Correct. That is correct. No, no, it's all you have to do. All of this. All. All six. Great. Thank you. Okay. All right, I'll open the public hearing. Have any speakers? We do. We have representatives for the applicant and Trey Braswell was the first one to sign up. I I'll be speaking for the applicant. We provided a presentation. And if you do move forward and backwards, you don't need to. Okay. Good evening. Council and staff. I'm Andrew Ladson with Capital Commercial Investments. We're the proud owner of the park at legacy. The former JCPenney headquarters. In addition to this facility, we also own the former McAfee headquarters site on headquarters Drive and 6400 legacy. The former Bank of America building as Plano embarks on a new phase of redevelopment, CCI Texas is the largest private owner of office and leader in campus repositioning, sees the city as an ideal, synergistic partner with our current assets and planned acquisitions. We are committed to making the necessary capital investments to add taxable value to these sites and foster Plano's continued growth and success. I feel it's important to visit a little more about of our history, of our ownership, of the site. We acquired. This is another presentation. Well, anyways, we'll do it without the presentation. We acquired the site in 2021 with plans to make the park at Legacy a best in class continuation of Legacy West. We wanted to make a bold statement to the community of who we are and what we do so we elected to make a business decision to deploy our capital in our neighbor's site and fix their Incompleted project is the Miyako Hotel site. Our efforts kind of reignited. That project in the hotel is now back on track. We moved the JCPenney Corporation back into their former headquarters this was an extremely important thing for us because we show it shows the resilience of the site, the city and their company, and we completed the repositioning of 45 individual projects. We have gained game rooms, golf simulators, pickleball courts. We've taken care of all the deferred maintenance, the pressure washing, the landscaping. We've injected about $30 million into this facility, reinvigorating it. We did that in advance of requesting this zoning change. We're very action first, and we wanted to show who we are. Another project we did was a child care facility. There is an existing Bright Horizons facility on the site. We expanded their footprint and renewed their lease. This is a facility open to the public that we subsidize with our neighboring businesses, utilizing it primarily and residents. We've also opened a full service gym. It's a health and wellness amenity that has personal trainers on site that the community is using. We spent the past three years having meaningful discussions with the residents, our neighboring residents, the city staff and our neighboring business is we wanted to ensure we had a high end, pro-business activation of the site. We have listened to the community and after 15 iterations of the PDS, I'm pretty sure we got it right. I did have some before and after photos that I think are very relevant. This is what the facility looked like when we took ownership. Everything was overgrown, pressure washed, poorly maintained, dim lit, very old. There was a smell in the building. There was a big hole in the front yard of the incomplete site and now it's activated. Everything's been cleaned up. Everything's been taken care of. We've integrated a hospitality field with some biophilia. When you walk in the front door, we have music. We really want to increase the experience of touring this. Okay. The existing facility, I think visiting a little bit of the history. Let me see if I can find a page of the plan. So the existing facility is one point 8,000,000ft■!S on 107 acres. We feel that we have the right mix of uses for the site. The city of Plano and the business community. We're reserving 75% of the site for businesses. That's our offices, our hotels, our retail. We're committing 20% of the site to open space, our walking trails, our parks, our activated fountains, our pickleball courts. And we're asking for less than 5% to be dedicated to luxury residential. Luxury residential is the last remaining amenity for the activation of the site. We need this quality of product to remain competitive with our neighboring cities. Office users want and need walkability. I want Plano to attract and retain the highest quality tenants over them, choosing neighboring cities who have this product type in their centers of business. We have listened to the business community and we've seen the competition succeed by offering the mixed use environment. This is a very pro-business choice and activation for the site and after three years of negotiating with all stakeholders, I feel they've all agreed that this is the appropriate location on the site, given its adjacency to residential and the right location in the city. By placing high rise product next to other high rise product. As the experts in redeveloping, we know the highest quality residential projects in the city will ensure a successful redevelopment of this site. I'd like to introduce Greg Caton of Street Lights to talk a little bit about his product. Thanks, Andrew. Murphy's law, whatever can go wrong will go wrong. We got the wrong slideshow up here, but we're going to do the best we possibly can. My name is Greg Coutant with street lights. Residential street lights is a design driven development company based here in DFW. I recognize that many other developers stand in front of you and talk to you about the quality of their projects, and in Plano's history, you've always gotten the same commodity built wood frame apartments. I'm here with a proposal for something new, a high rise building of the highest quality, similar only to other projects that Street Lights has built within the metroplex. This building is designed here we go. This building is designed for two main demographics. The empty nester who is winding down their career and desires to stay in the city of Plano, and the established professional who's drawn to the region's high quality jobs. Both demographics are looking for the same thing quality of life. They want the freedom that comes with a lock and leave lifestyle, and they're tired of the maintenance, tired of the commute and will be drawn towards the site. Walkability from the miles of trails that we're proposing and the neighboring retail environment. We're proposing a project that provides a new type of housing, something Plano does not enjoy today, something that resonates with the most discerning demographics, demographics that likely never considered a for rent structure because the quality of the other buildings in the city have not have not been up to their standards. We're looking at empty nester demographics today that have no option but to continue to live in the neighborhoods and homes that they've raised. Family and families in and lived in for decades. They want a simpler form of life. They want the convenience of the concierge and valet and that lack of housing. That lack of housing options for empty nesters has kept Plano neighborhoods from seeing the influx of young families, and that would reinvest in their schools and reinvest through reassessment of their tax values in the city budgets. This is not more of the same multifamily Plano seen in the past. We've spent months and months working with our neighbors to create a plan for the highest quality residential that will enhance the campus, enhance the offering within the office environment. And we've landed on something that is different than what exists in Plano today. Here we go. So the slide in front of you shows the existing wood frame apartments on the right, and then a map of other concrete high rises on the left, none of which we believe are the quality of what we proposed in our building and our finish out. But it speaks to the lack of this type of product that is available to the residents of Plano today. Our proposal responds to the intent of the comp plan in response to the unique obstacles that are faced in the following ways. First, we've relocated our residential uses adjacent to other single family residential uses. We've limited the residential site area to 4.6% of the total campus acreage to preserve the office first employment experience across the site, we've agreed to build high rise residential buildings that are in keeping with the construction type and the environment you'd expect within a business park. We've located the residential that allows for a transition from the existing low rise single family buildings into something that's more appropriate for that commercial building type that you would find in that campus. And finally, that new type of housing that Plano has today will reinforce the reputation of quality within the campus and will be seen as an amenity to protect, to prospective employers looking for office space in the area. Thank you. Well, our slides obviously didn't get connected here from for the for this presentation. So I'm only going to spend a few minutes. Bill Dahlstrom 2323 Ross Avenue. This has been a long, long road. We've come a long way. We had a lot of changes. I'd like to thank Christina and Mike Bell for their their work on this case. It's again 15 iterations at least iterations on the PD stipulations at least 15. So again, thank you. And Mr. City Manager, you as well. But again as far as the comp plan goes I just want to wrap up on the comp plan. The issues that we heard the as you saw in the staff report, there are many provisions that are many policies and objectives that are satisfied with this comprehensive, with this application. And I think there's one of my slides was a quote on the city's future land use map, based on chapter 213 of the Texas Local Government Code that says the future Land use map is not zoning. And I think that's iterated in the comprehensive plan. We take a look at the totality of the map, the policies, the objectives, everything together. And I think you'll see that in taking that all into consideration, we do further the guiding principles, especially the land use core policy, where Plano will support a system of organized land use to provide housing and employment choices aligned with the market. That's what we're proposing. That's what Mr. Coutanche has said, where new and redevelopment areas respect the viability and quality of life for existing neighborhood businesses and institutions, we are proposing a style of residential that we don't have here today, and it's going to be a second to none in in the region, if not the state. And as was stated in the staff report and the Planning and Zoning Commission findings, the request is consistent with the overall guiding principles of the Comprehensive Plan and the planning and Zoning Commission cited several reasons why supporting surrounding land uses consistency with other land uses, providing new housing, housing opportunities again, a housing opportunity that's not permitted or provided in the city, and one that's in high demand and high demand in the region. Second of all, the proposal substantially is beneficial to the immediate neighbors surrounding community and general public interest. Again cited by the Planning and Zoning Commission, we are activating a dying asset. When you take a look at the entire property, we're providing, again, the diversified housing stock, several of the commissioners stated cited the provision for a unique new housing stock, as well as supporting existing businesses and again, the impact on the ability to bring in, maintain residents here in the city of Plano. In conclusion, I'd like to say again, a lot of work's been done on this, this application. We came in with almost twice as many units. We've worked with the city staff, we've worked with the surrounding property owners, we've added lot coverage requirements, we've added HOA restrictions, Tia improvements have been noted. We've nailed down the location of the specific location of the residential areas. We've provided a minimum tower size of 15 stories, so you're guaranteed to get a long term building. We've reduced signage sizes, and of course we've added the phasing for the second phase. And that that respectfully request your approval on this really important application tonight. Thank you. Thank everybody for their time and effort in this. We are here to answer any questions. I just one last comment. We were a little thrown off with the slide presentation. But I do want you guys to know we care deeply for this site. We bought this site, we fixed it, and we're looking for you guys for the collaboration and approval to continue the high quality activation of it. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. One more. We have one more speaker, Doug Shockey. Good evening. Mayor Council Doug Shockey, 7504 Avalon Drive. I come tonight in support of the comprehensive plan. As many of you know, I was I chaired the committee. 15 of the people we spent thousands of hours deliberating and also going out into the community and spending meetings and meetings and hours with all the categories of stakeholders that we could think of. So when we went through this, the whole intent was to create a standard that everybody could rely on. You know, we're talking about 2050. We're talking about years down the road. So we're concerned about how it would age over time and so we knew there would be exceptions, but we wanted to kind of steer those in a way that would support the plan. So we came we came up with the findings clause. And I'm just here to tell you that that was that was meant to be used in extreme cases. If you sit, if you keep making these exception, then it weakens the plan. If you can come up with an exceptions and you can really justify the extreme cases and, and how that would be beneficial not to a sliver of the population, but to the entire community. Then it's okay. But if it's not, then you know it just weakens the plan overall. And I will just say that, you know, in this case, I don't see that I've looked at everything and I know I see benefits, I see benefits for, you know, a few people here and there. This is not something that the majority of the community is going to benefit from. And I will just say again, I'm here in support of the comprehensive plan. I'm concerned. I'm concerned about the future of what this plan does for our community and the standard that it creates. And just just to drive that point home, I'm going to tell you that at the PNC meeting last, when they looked at this one, commissioners was already talking about how this plan was outdated and already needs to be amended. You know, they're talking about the rewrite of the ordinance and they want to they're actually suggesting that we rewrite this. That concerns me. So that's all I want to say. Thank you. Thank you. Is that i? No other speakers. Okay. I'll close the public hearing, confine the comments to the council. Usually what I do is I go last and I think I'm going to go first just to provide some clarity. I know we've all had history with this property and I, I too as well. I, I think, Bill, you've been on this for about a decade and as, as I was on P and Z when there was another owner that owned this property. And one of the things that we worked on the previous owner was compromise and bringing it down to a number that that would be suitable for this development. And it was very hard. And unfortunately, the, the plan for the main building and everything else was just going to be a collage of different buildings that really had no structure and order. So when CCI came over a year ago and talked about what they wanted to do, and just like Bill said, there's been several iterations of this and thanks to the city manager and staff working to make it more appropriate for the JC Penney campus, the City of Plano, and the corporate neighbors that are all around, we feel like there has been a tremendous amount of compromise. We appreciate the phasing that's included in there. And I do would I would like to ask for amended language on just one, one item, which is Tenby. I so that talks about receiving a certificate of occupancy for a new minimum 225 key hotel or certificate of occupancy indicating completion of construction of a minimum of 250,000ft■!S in the aggregate oa nonresidential building or buildings that that's in there. Now, what I would like to add is however buildings constructed primarily for uses in the retail or service use categories shall not count towards the nonresidential square footage requirement. In this subsection. So when we do get to a motion, I would like to include that. But I want to give everybody a chance to speak on this. And finally we do have a very important client who is already there, who has not started on their project, but is very interested in understanding what happens to this development. Going forward. We have worked diligently with with this customer on, on their hote, and we're very proud to know that we are we're almost there. And they're they're planning to get started. But I know they're very interested in in seeing this progress for their success and for the success of many others to come. I will I will say I have seen Street lights, I've gone to Dallas and seen that property. It it's easily the highest quality residential facility I've ever seen. So I know for a fact that we don't have a property like street lights. So I, I would like to understand that we, we know there are times when the comp plan is not exactly the way it was written, but we do know that sometimes compromise and changes to the environment make it essential to have those opportunities to have findings and so I feel like this is one that because of the quality that we're talking about, deserves to move forward. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start with you, Anthony, and just come around the room, if that's okay, and finish with with Rick. Sorry, Rick. You're always last. I we gotta, we gotta change that up I apologize. Go ahead. Well thank you mayor. So I will tell you, I've appreciated the meetings that I've had with the applicant and have have really wrestled with this zoning case because, you know, I told Bill and Greg and Andrew when we met last week and also when I came out to the McKinsey with you, Greg, on on Friday, that based on, you know, just the comprehensive plan. I honestly came into this thinking this was a pretty straightforward denial for me. But this project does have a lot going for it. As the mayor pointed out, it's extremely high quality, something that we don't currently have in Plano and would activate the JCPenney campus. And I appreciate how you all have worked with the adjacent property owners. I mean, to the mayor's point, this is easily the best iteration of this proposal that we've seen. And so I appreciate that. You know, on the other side of the ledger, the comprehensive plan is a big deal for me. I've talked about that in other zoning cases. You know, I voted against the Willow Bend redevelopment because that was another thing that was really explicitly discussed in the Comprehensive Plan Review Committee process and on which our comprehensive plan came out with a very explicit recommendation, like we have here. And, you know, I also look at the fact that I think this is not not an unforeseen, unique circumstance. Maybe the quality, certainly the quality of what's proposed is. But in terms of residential on this site, that's a discussion that's been going on pretty much as long as I've been on council. And, you know, as as the mayor pointed out, I think we've, you know, had that discussion going on for maybe almost a decade now. It's been going on for a long time. So I think this was studied and discussed during that thorough deliberative process. And as Chairman Shockey pointed out, you know, a decision was made by the CCRC, by the PNC and by the council. I'm also mindful of the fact that we've received feedback from stakeholders that Doug McDonald presented to us about the legacy business park and whether we need to change the model, which I think is an important discussion to have. But I think also we saw in that presentation that there was a mix of feedback, some stakeholders seemed to favor changes to a new model, some favor the existing model. So after really wrestling with thi, I agree with what Chairman Shockey said. CCRC Chairman Shockey and Mike Bronsky, you know who vice chaired the CCRC, Jackie Crawford, who spoke at the PNC meeting and served on the CCRC. If we're if we're looking at wholesale changes to our philosophy for this area, then I think we need to look at an area plan and not make those sort of ad hoc. In one zoning case, you know, disregarding our comp plan philosophy for this being an employment center without residential on a one off basis, to me feels like it would be ad hoc decision making that could set a precedent. And, and, you know, potentially open the door to changing the whole business park without, you know, an area plan process that engages all of the stakeholders in, in in casting a vision for the entire area and not just one property. So even though this is a hard decision, because I love the quality of what's being proposed, and frankly, I really like the applicants, you know, from from meeting with them, I can't let the fact that I personally like them impact doing what I think is best for the city. And so even though it's a hard decision, I have to vote no. Well, I certainly respect my friends. Councilman Rick Adderley's opinion about the comprehensive plan. I too, was on planning and zoning, both when I saw a second iteration of the redevelopment of this property, but I also sat on PNC when we approved unanimously the comprehensive plan. But that being said, I have to remind this August body that the comprehensive plan is a guideline. It is not law. It is not an ordinance. It is a guideline that we use as a tool. We are looking at an architecturally iconic facility. When you come down from 1990, as you drive east on legacy from 121, one of the first buildings you see is the JCPenney headquarters, again, an iconic facility. Due to the economics, the JCPenney left and we were stuck with basically a building that needed a lot of love and care and what's being proposed right now addresses a lot of those needs under the future land use map. Priorities two and number three, we are to evaluate policy to sustain long term viability of corporate campuses, period. That is stated in the comp plan. If you recall, Doug MacDonald and Hulett Zollars presented to us a owner's sentiment survey from Legacy and Granite Park. Some highlights from that survey. First, legacy is a very popular area. Try to get there on a Friday and Saturday night and try to find parking. They also recognized that there's a surplus in office space, hence the need for us to renovate and reinvigorate our existing office space. The comp plan does not consider market changes or worker needs. That is quite evident to what happened after Covid. We now have a work from home office hybrid. One of the other elements that came out of that survey was the owners and the people that participated in that was an increase in level of weekend activity and nightlife with the focus on walkability. Hence this livable unit that we're looking at, you'll be easily able to walk to legacy West. And if you're willing to hike, you can walk to Legacy East. They are proposing more community spaces. And agai, more mixed use development housing types and price points. Okay, if they stay compliant with the comp plan and we stay with CB1, remember, no maximum heights, no minimum setbacks, no coverage lot coverage requirements and no open space requirements. That's by right. They can just junk the whole area up from with office buildings warehouses light industrial. But they're proposing a seven acre courtyard, a four acre pond with perimeter trail, a 0.5 acre pocket park, four miles of trail and sidewalks, and eight and a half acres of general green space. That is what they're proposing. So we're looking back. And if you look where the location of the residential property is, it is on the north side of the complex, away from legacy. So when you still drive down legacy, you'll still get the iconic feel of the headquarters of that unique building. It won't be interfered with. Other small, shorter buildings. Okay? It is a high end rental property for executive professionals and retired citizens. Okay. That will present an economic boom to legacy West and to the campus walkability to all the amenities. Okay, I remind you that there's residents located along Headquarters Drive right now and communications. That's part of the PD, I believe 65. Is that correct? PD 65, CB1 this is just close to that. So with those items in mind, with the quality of the building that's being presented, I'm going to say I'm in favor of moving this forward for approval. Thank you. Deputy Mayor. I think I want to hear what other people have to say. I have to be honest, I spent a lot of time looking at the guiding principles and looked at what could be there and I've gone back and forth. I didn't think I would be as undecided as I am on this, and in speaking to some other stakeholders who had some concerns, I do feel better with what Mayor Muns proposed with the phasing and tightening that up. I appreciate the comments that I've already heard from my fellow council members and I'd like to reserve my thoughts until I hear from the others. Okay. Council member Prince. Yeah, it's your turn. So one of the main reasons that I wanted to serve on council is because as like many on council, I've lived here my whole life and so I wanted to make sure that this city remained vibrant and thriving for the people coming after me. And so revitalization is something that I have always held as a high priority. And so when I look at our neighbors around us and I see the competition that we have, to me it's important to balance our comprehensive plan with opportunities to revitalize. And that doesn't mean that every plan that comes before us is the right one, and that we have to say yes to it. I have been on here for a very, very long time, and before that, planning and zoning. So I have seen all the plans that came before. And yes, they they weren't all right. And we said no to some of them. But this has come back better and better each time. And so I think there are times when you say, no, please come back to us with something better. Let's keep working on that. But I think at this point we've gotten something that is much better than I'm. I'm comfortable with. I appreciate the dedication to the open space. I appreciate the much the very high quality residential that's being presented to us. And I think that what we're seeing with over the last ten years, the changes with office, I don't want to see more empty office buildings. I don't want this office building to sit there empty, and I don't want us to be in a position where we say we're going to be so stringent about office space that we're going to build more office buildings that are going to sit empty. So I think this is a good compromise. I don't think we should be so stringent with our with our comprehensive plan that we put ourselves in a corner where we're not open to what the market is telling us will be successful. So I will be supportive of this, and I would make a motion with the with the amended. Yes. Okay. Thank you. A motion to approve with the amendments that the mayor suggested. Okay. I'll second it just so we can keep going. Okay. I'll I'll start by saying it's no secret that I have concern about the level of multifamily we already have in the city. Plano already has the highest population density of any city in Texas, with a quarter million people or more. And after many of the projects that have already been approved approved are completed, will be approaching 50% rental, including single family rental. That's an enormous proportion in an area like North Texas. That said, I think the product, the multifamily product that the applicant is proposing is outstanding. I also toured the property, the McKenzie in Dallas. It's an outstanding product, and it's one even with my concerns about our density, because it is fairly unique that I might support if it were elsewhere. What this comes down to for me is a couple of things. First, the comprehensive plan did consider this area just like it considered willowbend redevelopment of this property was anticipated when the comprehensive plan was created, as was the evolution of a post-Covid world. I mean, the Comprehensive Plan Review Committee just got started when the pandemic hit, so it was very consciously considering pandemics and the post Covid world. And so that in mind, the Comprehensive Plan Review Committee and PNC and Council looked at that carve out and said, okay, yes, we want to keep that a business park. And that leads to the other aspect of this for me, which is the businesses in the area and the villas at Legacy West came in there under the presumption the value proposition and even the implicit promise that it would remain a corporate park. We had already rejected a proposed redevelopment, and I will say that this I agree that this is the best iteration that I've seen. And I think a great deal of compromise has been made. And I very much appreciate the level of effort and attentiveness the applicant has put into this. And I think the level of compromise I would be more I would be in favor of it if it didn't include the residential. The residential, for a variety of reasons, causes me concern, not least of which is that yes, we have a lot of our commercial properties, our office space that's struggling and has because many of it, much of it is decades old, and I at least have heard consistently over the past few years that the biggest challenge to that is the lack of amenities, because office workers, businesses expect a variety of amenities that wasn't considered in the 90s and the early 2000 when we were building out our office space. What I don't hear is that they're expecting multifamily amenities. Yes. Multifamily? No. And I think it would be entirely possible to envision a project here to redevelop this property that provided such amenities and a diverse range of amenities, such that it was attractive to more businesses, whereas the multifamily may be attractive to the people living in it. But I don't think it would be a boon to the value proposition we created in that corporate park. I'm also mindful of zoning cree. Yes, there are some zoning inconsistencies nearby and that's how they creep. We say, well, it's this is nearby, so we'll change the zoning here to match that. And then a year or two later, we'll change it a little further. And it creeps in one direction or another north, south, east or west. We've seen this in other areas of the city and this is a very special and valuable part of the city, which has been a it's really been a beacon to a lot of our business partners headquarters regional headquarters that have come to Plano. And I have serious concerns about upending part of the value proposition that brought them here. So, as you probably guessed, I'm not in support of this. I would like to split out the amendment because I'm in favor of the mayor's amendment, even though I'm not in favor of the overall project. So I'd like to request that the amendment be split out for a separate vote so that I could vote in favor of that. What is the purpose of that? Because I'm in support of that, not the overall project, just to be able to vote on one, but not the other. I think they need to be together. I mean, because the point is that that's a phase. It's irrelevant without the passage of the overall project. So Rick, you're you're on stage. Go ahead. But thank you. Nothing like being last again, mayor. Well, you're not Julie decided she wanted to go last. Oh, okay. Well, okay. Thank you, Julie, for doing that anyway. I mean, I can say that the last few times, more than once that this particular project, you know, has have come before us and, and different shapes. I wasn't for it and voted against it. So I guess the, the propensity would be like, okay, let's keep it going and I'll vote against this as well. But I think the difference here is we have a, an owner that has listened, you know, to our suggestions. I know the 750 plus or minus is a big number but but they did cut that down on their own from you know, a much higher number. Well North of I believe originally like 1200. So, so they listen to that they've added more green space. We have a you know opportunity to have we're going to have we just voted to approve and put in a new five, five and a half acre, you know, park that's going to really be a plus for that that part of Plano. So I think without getting it too much longer that I see this as really as a bookend for the whole legacy development. Those of you who go over there and have been around for a while, I mean, we have two other comparable type of multi. Well, it's comparable, but anyway, two more high rise luxury developments at least there in Plano you have the lvl 29 kind of more centrally located. And then we have the Kincaid at the tollway and Legacy, which are two extremely nice product. We have friends that you know that live in both and they're just they're they're top notch. And I think what Street Lights is proposing is going to be even better than that. So make a long story short, I would be in support of this with the mayor's recommendation, and I think it will be a great development for that area and be a boon for the city long term. So I would be in favor of it. Thanks, Rick. Deputy Mayor. I'm not. I think what's making this so difficult for me is the fact that this is a development multifamily. That's unlike anything that we've really seen in Plano. And so if this was just regular multifamily, I would risk my I would lean towards just respecting the comprehensive plan and saying, this isn't what was intended here, but it's a it's a very different dynamic also toward the property. The McKenzie. And it was it's beautiful. I quite honestly, I, I'm a little skeptical that we have the tenants to fill it the but that's not my problem. I guess if it's built I mean that's, that's, that's for the developer to, to figure out. I, I do also have some concerns, not concerns, but I do see some benefit to having it's my understanding that areas are are safer and obviously more revitalized when you've got the activity going on there. So I see the benefit to that, especially with the extra green spaces going in and the park activity, I think there would be a benefit to that. It again, going over all of the guiding principles of the plan I, I'm having a hard time and seeing really what the spirit how this particular development is a conflict to the spirit of the plan. I. I'm glad I have such eloquent council members around me to give me so many things to consider, and I think I, based on what I've heard, I'm going to vote in favor of it. We have to include that in the motion. Yeah. Along with the amended. Just point to this. Yeah. No, you don't have to read it all does does does she? I think you can just say that the stipulations that were presented in the amended ordinance tonight, which you all have a copy of and has put up on the screen. That's correct. Plus my favorite part about council is all the legalese. Okay. I would like to amend my motion to state that I would like to support the motion with the mayor's amendment, as well as the staff amendments, which we all have in front of us. Is that sufficient? Is that okay? Fantastic. All right. And I second that. So I have a motion and a second to approve item number two. All in favor raise your hand. Okay. That's five all oppose two. So 5 to 2. Yes. Okay. So we'll take a five minute recess to sign findings forms. Thank you. Council member Smith, if you could fill yours out and send it back to me. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. The council's reconvened. Moving on to item three. Item number three, consideration of a resolution for the city of Plano to cast its ballot for the election of members to the Collin County or, excuse me, Collin. Central Appraisal District board of directors. Under the provisions of the tax code authorizing the mayor to execute the ballot for and on behalf of the City of Plano and providing an effective date. Okay, so I think all of you have an official ballot, and we have all of 250 votes, 300, 300. Excuse me. We're in the money. We're living large. Yes. So I will take any motions or suggestions or ideas on the Collin County appraisal District. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we nominate Richard Grady. Okay. Are you casting all 300 votes for Mr. Grady? No. Yes. Casting all 300 votes for Mr. Grady, I second that. All right. Second. I thought I had just one vote, but I'll do 300. That's good. So I have a motion to second to. There you go to offer all 300 votes for Rick Grady. All in favor, raise your hand. Motion passes six, and we're down to six, right? Yeah. Rick told me he had to. He had to step out. Okay. Next item, item number four. Consideration of a resolution for the city of Plano to cast its ballot for the election of members to the Denton Central Appraisal District Board of directors. Under the provisions of the Property tax Code authorizing the mayor to execute the ballot for and behalf of the City of Plano and providing an effective date. All right. So we only have 11 votes here in the out of 5000. So I'll be more than happy to take a motion. Yes, I'd make a motion to cast our whopping 11 votes for Rob Altman. Rob Altman okay. And if, if, if I may interject, I think we got letters from Mike, Jennifer and Ray Martin and I read their letters and CVS. Honestly, I thought they were very good. So I don't know if Council member Williams is open to splitting our whopping 11 votes three ways, but I would love to cast some of those votes for Mike, Jennifer and Ray Martin as well. I'd be willing. Okay, fantastic. I guess somebody has to get 11 by three, not evenly. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So I don't I don't know how to should we say I don't know. Ray Martin gets three. I hope one vote doesn't make a difference in the outcome. Can we can we do five to rob and three to the others? I'm good with that. Sure. Five if everyone else is, I mean 5 to 1 out of six years. So Hannafor. Three. And who was the other one? Ray Martin, I think was the other one who sent a letter and CV. Okay. So I have a motion to do. We second. Well, I think we need a motion. Yeah, I'd make a motion to cast five votes for Rob Altman, three for Mike Henefer and three for Ray Martin. I'll second that. Okay, so I have a motion and a second to do what? Shelby, just said. All in favor? Okay. Motion passes 6 to 0. Okay. And they're going to be excited about that. News. Next item. The next item would be comments of public interest. But we do not have anyone that signed up to speak this evening. There being no further business. The meeting is adjourned.