an agenda all opposed that motion carries by a vote of six to zero marion council under public hearing item number one is to consider acceptance of a petition requesting the annexation of one parcel of land approximately 37.75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road owned by linda marie johnson jensen james moscow johnson jr william huey johnson michael burnett johnson elizabeth anna johnson eppley as i indicated this is really a formality to accept the petition as it's been presented so that you all can debate it further okay and accepting the petition requesting the annexation and i know there's several of these uh there looks like there's three uh procedural motions likely uh cons involving this one parcel of land but is there anybody that wishes to speak in favor of acceptance of a petition requesting annexation of 1925 calhoun road is there anyone that let the record reflect there are none is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to acceptance of that same petition let the record reflect there are none anything else we need to know about this one all right do i hear a motion i'm sorry what this will be just to um accept the petition and the next item will be discussion of the annexation itself do i hear a motion i'll make a motion to consider the petition please to accept the accept the petition right second we have a motion by mr bass second by mr miller any further discussion regarding acceptance of the petition all right all in favor of acceptance of the petition requesting annexation of 37.75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road all opposed that motion carries by a vote of six to zero all right under public hearing item number two is to consider ordinance 21-013 annexing one parcel of land approximately 37.75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road um owned by linda marie johnson jensen james moscow johnson junior william hughie johnson michael and elizabeth anna johnson eppley first reading public hearing all right is there anybody that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 21-013 let the record reflect there are none is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-01 all right mr mr moore is that you got your hand up come on up most of us know you but if you could say your name and your address is that what we need for the record i'm marion moore i reside at 206 yards creek road but i have property this is approximately 1500 feet from this property line here i got 75 acres on a family farm and the concern i have with the annexation of this is what's been proposed for it the density the topography of this piece of property is going environmentally impacted greatly i've spoke to people about it you know all aware of what i have how my feelings are about it i don't oppose the city doing some annexation time but i think the design purpose or the proposal for this piece of property the way the topography of the property and what's going to happen with the extreme amount of runoff that's going to happen will severely adverse that affect that entire valley right there and i think that the city needs to probably step back from annexation on this right here until some better studies can be done or we don't have any assurances and a developer says he can do all he can do and he can i know i mean i've developed property too he can go do what dx is that's still not going to change the fact but it's going to dramatically increase the amount of runoff that we get marion just real real quick you know we we all we we met i say all you and i and mr bass and mr uh miller met with you and and mr bailey last week that's right and i i came away thinking we we had answered some questions is there anything that was still bothering you after that i still i i got you answer the questions that we said in the meeting with yes and and i came away with a feeling that i got told exactly what i was going to get told and i have no hard feelings against anybody here or mr bailey i mean he's out here to buy property and develop that's his job but i think the use for that particular piece of property the way it's designed and the shape that it is if anybody on this council does not have not looked at it physically walk out there and look at it and see what we're talking about the left-hand side of that property is an entire bone and there's no change in that he can't change that he can't go in and do something to that and all that property is going to drain to that bowl when you put impervious area if you all don't know what impervious area is it streaks roads it's it's rooftops anything that water can't be absorbed into is impervious property when you put density that tight and you put streets in there there's very little left to the soil thing the runoff is there if you build retention ponds he does what the heck says he's going to do that's fine i mean he's done what he's supposed to do that's not going to change the fact that it's going to make a dramatic amount of runoff and i've already experienced a lot of runoff difference between the time calhoun road was two lanes just four lanes is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-013 yes sir good afternoon if you could state your full name and your address for the record yes sir um my name is joe langley my address is 120 pinetree drive again i want to thank you for the opportunity to come and speak today my reason for being here is to relay my serious concerns regarding the rezoning of this 37 acres on calhoun road to r-7 and annexed it into the city this 37 acres adjoined my property for a thousand feet which means my backyard will be in the backyard of the proposed development r7 zoning comes with few restrictions and allows most any type of home to be built and probably will devalue my property just imagine what this property was 120 homes on it would look like 10 years down the road with no restrictions as r7 on march 23rd the greenwood county planting joint planning commission voted down the resulting request within the next couple months there will be approximately 400 400 apartments and homes being built within one fourth mile of my home and me my family whatever we've been living there over 100 years and never bothered anybody and all of a sudden secondly another important issue for this development is the environmental impact this property drops off 43 feet from calhoun road to the lowest point the lowest basin has two springs where curltail creek heads up and flows into the savannah river with all paved roads and land grading there's going to be a tremendous amount of excess water and silt moving into this basin thirdly before you make a zone zoning decision please ride out on calhoun road and see the effects of the oppres present development the degree we want to look like greenville atlanta my friends we are heading that way quickly very quick thank you so much for your time and i ask you to please keep your neighbors and constituents in mind you put yourself in our shoes in making your decision thank you very much thank you mr langley mr langley just just briefly do i understand that you bought the parcel to the southwest of that bought a strip do i understand that correctly or did you already own that no sir i bought a thousand feet behind my house which starts at calhoun road and runs a thousand feet feet down pine tree so yeah i live corner right there let me get my glasses i can't if that map is is pointing the right direction with north being straight up that's correct red line on the left side right there right that's my property and it just goes down see that's pine tree drive coming in that last street right there and that's where i live on pine tree and see it it of course backs up to the talk that we're talking about i mean yes sir and you bought a hundred feet you said i bought a thousand feet all i did was just brought property going down the road behind my house just to kind of give me some blockage there's something [Music] you know just keep from sitting in my living room or my kitchen looking out at these apartments right there in my house it would have been like you know 20 feet from my uh you know back door now i only probably on the other side of the road too but that's a different ball game now i mean that's that's the farm over left but that doesn't have anything to do with this so the are are you saying that the buffer that you that's correct well but is that is that insufficient it is that's right i see this probably falls off the property it's a beautiful piece of property but it's just not set up for a housing development i mean like i said it falls off 43 feet from calhoun road down into the basin and starting it behind my house it just goes like this yes and the thing about it is i mean all of us know that when you get 120 houses and r7s on and see i don't have you know woods between my house i mean i'm not going to do any clearing whatsoever you know people be shooting they're shooting guns bb guns or whatever kids coming across your property all this type thing i mean you know as i said it's just uh and the reason i bought it of course is from a buffer standpoint and you about the guns you you're saying you think people that living there will be shooting guns well i mean i know in the city they're not supposed to but i'll just make it i'm trying to understand if there's another issue that i'm missing or if that we were just thinking maybe the possibility of that type thing you know shooting through the trees see if somebody right down below us got killed not too long ago somebody's shooting through the trees at the end of the road the fella's shooting at the stop sign that's right that's right you knew that type thing so he won't be i just i just said you know there's always that possibility thank you anything else mr lane nope i'm fine appreciate it thank you thank you for letting us talk about it yes sir is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-013 yes sir yes sir yes sir i'll just for the record i'll ask again is there anyone else that wishes to [Music] speak about the annexation of the property let the record reflect there are none let's look at anything else we need to know about this one i would just indicate that if annex this property will be located in ward 5. all right mr miller's ward any discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-013 well i'll say i think it's no it's no secret that the the studies that have been done recently show the biggest need in greenwood greenwood county and of course specifically the city of greenwood is for residential development we've got a lot of industrial growth especially in greenwood county and but we don't always have the available inventory of new new development to offer to people that are looking to come into to work and live [Music] so housing residential housing inventory is needed the hard thing is is where to put it and i don't know that there's anywhere that we could put it that everybody's going to be in agreement on it um anyone else have any any thoughts i do want to address one issue on the value of property and there was a similar situation where residents that were on milford pines road milford springs road where the milford pines subdivision was that were questioning and this was a large track of land with a large home with acreage over 20 acres and they were worried that their property would be devalued by having a development across the street history doesn't prove that fact um history has shown that that piece of property that was for sale and that homeowner was concerned about that she sold for a full list price she sold her acreage the properties around that street and on that street have all sold has sold well and have sold quickly actually increasing the value of property around it so yes there may be a feeling that new construction may devalue but you're if you're talking about the price points of new construction today you have a piece of property that is you know 2 200 square feet that's selling in the 230s 240s maybe even in the 250s so the property is selling this is not inexpensive property for greenwood this is upper i would say in the middle higher middle of the road price point so the devaluation of property i don't think is as a large concern as you may think as far as valuation right and i understand that we talked about some and some environmental issues were brought up but i know that there are a number of hoops developers gonna have to jump through with department of health and environmental control um with regard to and i think some of the if i'm not mistaken some of that property is wetlands am i right about that yeah so what were some of the issues that were brought out since i was not at that meeting as far as the environmental issues on that property some of the the silt runoff of downstream which dhec is has fairly strict regulations on i think the developer mentioned that he can't guarantee that there won't be red water that comes through that but the uh the silk parts per whatever they measure it is fairly strictly controlled by dhec also another thing that during that meeting that was brought about was that um you know the developer also offered correct me if i'm wrong but offered to put riprap on um on their property to help with with that um with controlling the silt beyond the fact that he would have to put the silt fences and you know he explained he could put five silk fences there and there's still going to be red water going through it i think you know mr moore i understand mr moore's concern we're talking about annexation request right now but from mr moore's concern um you know he's worried about his pond that's there as well and i completely understand that there's also two springs that are coming about that property if you look at the look at the parcel right in the middle you'll see the taller trees um and and and yes they're they're that's that's considered weapon wetlands and the developer is not developing that and there'll be two retention ponds on there that he's that he said though they're not in the plans that that i'm aware of that he was going to build an additional three feet down to help retain some of the silt so i think in in good um i think he has the best intentions to make sure that all concerns within reason are being addressed um as as as far as he can as far as what the developer told us again um there'll have to be other things that come back as as this property just developed that there will be oversight and um on a first-hand basis understand what dhec does with silt retention so i um we've asked a lot of questions mr moore you i appreciate you coming because that that that that definitely helped us understand the concerns more but i i do think that from an annexation standpoint that um that uh and understanding exactly what mr langley mr moore said and the letter that we received today from miss hobbs i think that another thing that we got an assurance of too is you know we we know through our dealings with mr bailey so far in his development of milford pines that he's dealt with the runoff situation from retention pond bear to a neighbor you know that where where that has been been handled well he there haven't been any problems um and uh you know we haven't had any issues we've had to address with that as a development yeah it does appear that he's been very proactive in dealing with adjacent property owners in that regard any further discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-013 i did just want to provide a little bit of clarity typically when council annex is a property you do assign zoning at that time however the particular nature of the way this property is appearing before council will be a separate ordinance that will address the zoning so this is strictly for the annexation of the property sure i know there'll be some more stuff where we would get into into in the next one i would like to address one thing that was in this letter too about the property not being adjacent to city limits which it is maybe that's just not known yeah i of course it's directly across the street from it and i know that's we wouldn't be attempting to annex it if if there was not continuity and i also believe one other note matthew is that that uh the two um the two plan roadways for ingress and egress for this wasn't that addressed in the latest they cut that down to one that's right here if you could please acknowledge the letter for the record yes we can we can enter into the record uh i suppose we received a letter from miss nancy hobbs who lives in center court and she raises a number of the the same concerns that were just mentioned to us in addition to an argument that it would not be adjacent to city property which we just mentioned is uh is incorrect i don't i don't know whether we necessarily need to put in the record we get we get emails and letters all the time but if it's uh if it's necessary to put it in there we can we can make it part of the permanent record rather than reading it verbatim yeah well i'm definitely not doing that any further discussion all in favor of ordinance number 21. did we we had a motion didn't we okay i'm sorry i thought we had the same motion i will entertain emotion i make a motion to approve ordinance number 21-013 annexing one parcel of land approximately 37.75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road i have a motion by mr pass second we have a second by mr miller so i suppose now probably i should say any further discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-013 all in favor of ordinance number 21-013 all opposed motion carries by a vote of six to zero we have next under public hearing item number three is to consider ordinance number 21-014 to amend the city of greenwood's official zoning map by rezoning one parcel of land approximately 37.75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road from county ag-1 to city r7 first reading public hearing all right is there anyone that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 21-014 yes sir come on up good afternoon is he here hello hey if you could say your name and your address for the records todd bailey 1832 champion circle evans georgia thank you good afternoon mr bailey um everybody's seen i guess we've all seen the site plan that we've laid out um the reason for going to zoning for r7 is very it's the same zone that we use for gopher pines we would have the ability based on the acreage to put a lot more lots in we can't do that because of topography and the wetland issues have been already discussed so the 120 lots on this 37 ish acres is all we can do um the whole purpose of that zoning is not so we can max out um and put 200 lots on it's so we can get the 60 or 6 000 square foot lot which is what we did in milford pines was very successful unfortunately homeowners today don't want a lot of yard to cut and everything so that's about the optimal size for us um as far as the concerns you know we did meet last week we discussed just rehash those there will be at least two detention ponds on the pump on the property one for each side because this property will be done in phases it will not be done at all at one time land in the in the center that's got wetlands and stuff there we can't touch that um planting and zoning we could just bulldoze it all out and we can't do that the uh the ponds what you were bringing up bass we do plan on digging those deeper just allow more silt to be able to build up in those ponds versus overflowing them um we are planning on just one entrance and not that entrance on the curve because of sight line so yeah middle entrance would not be there uh we have it's kind of hard to tell in the picture right there but there's a little circle line around where it says amenity we are planning a pool and stuff we're about to finish up on milford pines right now that's not a requirement that's something we're doing for the community i don't know um other issues you would have um no it slid down a little bit and is this this is going to be somewhat similar to milford pines or houses and stuff yeah right yeah and lot size would be the same right um r7 allows us a 7.5 foot side setback which is what we had in milford pines that allows us a 42 47 or a 45 to 47 foot product right so even though it's r7 we know that number you could put on there you're restricted with the topography on being able to put just the the mathematical calculation of what that yeah i mean if it was a flat piece of property and yeah we could put another 100 lots on there right but it's not so we can't um you know as far as is how awful neighborhoods look when we do it masquerading is part of what's going on um in development in 2021 you're not gonna one for the road conditions and two for water and everything it just makes more sense to mass grade versus trying to to do the way we used to do it um this way you don't have 120 grading contractors coming in could be the same contractor but doing 120 different times tearing up the roads and doing everything y'all used to do it like that yeah masquerading has not been has not been uh practiced for more than probably about 20 years okay um but you you know again i get back to milford pines part of milford pines was flat part of it was a bunch of pine trees we took it all off but we had planted back we saw we completely sold at every yard to help with any water runoff that you would have but we soldered it so so there's no water runoff issues there um as far as dirtiness or anything and we also planted trees and stuff in the front yard so that you got trees and stuff coming back we don't have five in the front yard because there's not enough width between a 20-foot driveway and the rest of the house so it's not going to be just and i think it looks good in the grasslands cup that's about it um you know the concerns on on shooting guns i have no answer for that except in the planning mission the guy said they were back there hunting prior to that so i don't know where i don't know that that's a legitimate concern that people are going to move in that neighborhood i'm not aware of any any issues that we're having with our buyers and no milford pines causing a bunch of police problems etcetera there's a problem let me know but i pretty much called for every other issue i think i heard about that i don't think that's i don't think that's a legitimate concern kids are going to be in there um mr badly do you mind talking about uh just mentioning how after you've developed after you've created a development how the hoa is formed and how they will become responsible for their retention detention ponds um do you mind just mentioning that sure so we develop we recreate the hoa prior to selling any lots or building a house and transfer anything so that every lot is has to abide by those rules so the hoa was set up and we've actually got milford pines julie miss wilkie made me put in there about maintenance for the sidewalk because that was an issue in the city who was going to maintain that because it's actually in the right of way which is owned by the city so we adjusted that and made that took care of that provision within the h.o.a i know the hoa has to we'll maintain you know as a developer you you maintain it until you're until you're done you're built out and you turn it over to hoa we're still collecting dues and building you know building the reserve and stuff up um the ponds do need to be maintained from time to time i mean you can't let i think it's this group i was telling but you can't let pine trees and stuff grow on the damn banks because that's how wind blows over you get a big hole in the dam now you are going to have a problem um so there is some stuff that needs to be done we've got from a water quality issue like in milford pines we've got sand filters so when the water comes in it drains through actually goes through the sand filters and then the outfall structure that water comes out clean we may have water flowing out of that which it's designed to do but it's clean water so i mean once that's all set up and done it can't operate and function properly and that was all that was all red clay there too now it didn't have 40 feet of elevation drop but we're not down in that 40-foot section and you know when you train when when the when that change takes over the hoa takes over their responsibilities of of maintaining the their properties um they have assets in place to be able to take on these responsibilities is that correct that's what you've that's what you explained right we're not turning it over with zero balance in the hoax the other thing about that is and we discussed this a little bit in the meeting about bringing back up requires the developer in me in this case to file a notice of intent which is part of the grading plan which says you know we hire an engineer to to create a grading plan and say this this and this has got to be followed you got to do this sequence and sometimes you get out of sequence or whatever you got to get brought back in and whatnot but before i get off the hook i have to do an not which means the heck has to come out and verify that everything's working the way it's supposed to be they might give you a list and say okay you got 15 items needed to be gone it could be you know trash on the trash rack on top of the route false truck there's a lot of different things i don't get off the hook until that's done and i don't get off that until the last lots done so 95 so we're on the i am responsible for quite a ways until that project is complete thank you any other questions from mr bailey thank you mr appreciate it is there anyone else that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 21-014 i think we'll get phil after let the record reflect their unknown is there anyone else that wishes is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-014 i think you had raised your hand yes sir come on up sir if you could state your name full name and your address my name is jay birch i live at 312 pine tree drive um my wife's grandfather on this land and most of the land going down that creek to the moors my wife and i on 40 acres on the other side of mr faulkner's land um i'm well aware of this land i've been up and down in that for the last 30 years playing back there with my kids um i've listened to everything everybody's had to say and it's and it's good and it's interesting but my first thing that i got to say is you cannot compare milford pines with this property because milford pines is on flat property this property is on a watershed a watershed is because this property is built almost like a in the old west they called them a box canyon it's got three and the creek runs down and empties into it um because it's got a watershed you've got two springs and the beginning of a creek which is little john's creek which goes down and meets with curltail creek on the other side of pine tree drive and they get down to help form big johns creek creek the watershed as it stands now this property has brush scrub brush scrub trees that a little of everything it is very absorbable it is a natural habitat there's probably 10 percent runoff right now because of the weight the land and the property is okay i'm not so well coming in and your silt's gonna come those are on this okay but here's the problem when you put impervious services surfaces on this land and i'm talking about houses with roofs concrete driveways paved streets um you're going to have a swimming pool you're going to have some kind of septic holding tank those when you increase that land mass that that is perfectly natural now when you put at least 20 of impervious surfaces on there you're going to increase in a total of doubling the runoff that's going to be on that land if you do 30 and i would be surprised wouldn't be surprised if we're at 30 of impervious services when we get through with this development you're going to have three times the runoff you have now when we get a good rain that creek fills up it's a beautiful little creek i have a waterfall behind my house um but when you get all of this runoff then you're going to start getting debris from the roofing you're going to get oil and grease from the roads you're going to get fertilizer washing off you're going to have pesticides you're going to have dog waste and all of that when it rains it's going to wash down into this creek which going to chemically change the ecosystem of the creek and when that all washes down in there and i'm not even going to get into the silt i think we've discussed the silk enough but the chemical change that creek you're gonna change where you have frogs and salamanders you have all kind of wildlife that live back there but when you get a large rain and that flow that comes down through there which is going to be increased it's going to wash all of those chemicals down that creek and it's going to change the environment and it's going to take a long time for that to recoup back to where it normally could have been and by that time it will have rained again and when that stuff starts washing down that's where we're going to have a problem with the environment issues he's going to have a swimming pool on this and you usually back wash a swimming pool to clean the filters my question is where's that chlorinated water going and usually people it goes down a ditch in this case if it goes down that creek it's really going to change the ecosystem and when it reaches mr moore's pond it's gonna most likely cause some type of a an algae overgrowth um his fish are gonna die it's gonna turn into a dead pond and that's what he's worried about and it's going to come about by the chemicals and everything involved with the impervious services and the amount of increased runoff that happens and so that's what i'm concerned about you know the silt you can kind of stop that to a point but you can't stop the other runoff that's going to come down into this and i think 120 houses is really irresponsible for that area you got to understand we've talked about it's like a bowl it really is and 120 is just totally irresponsible the median size of lot that the house is built on in the united states is right out about half an acre that gives you about 60 to 70 something houses if you did it according to that um so these houses and these lots if you're putting 120 houses on this you're packing them in and i think it's totally irresponsible overgrowth that we don't need that kind of high density it's it just we've got too much land and green wood to try to pack us all in greenwood was named after the city of green because it's green not because of the dollar bill green so think of that i know this is a tough decision but development is good and i have no problem with developing this land but good development i come from mccormick i grew up mccormick and they have savannah lakes down there and that was really well planned and a very good development your mayor should know if i'm not mistaken your father was the first ceo at savannah lakes when it was done well i'm not sure this was done well um i think that when there's a true environmental impact study done on this i don't think you're going to be able to get the number of houses that is planned right now so think about that you know everybody makes mistakes everybody makes bad decisions but it's the good ones the good decisions that we make that we're most proud of and sometimes it's hard to stand up and make a good decision like that but it lasts for years down the road so are you do you have a and again we certainly interested in anything you have to say do you have a proposal i mean the proposal is to to rezone it from the county classification of ag one if i'm correct and phil can yeah correct me if i'm wrong to the city classification of r7 is there a different classification that you were proposing i i'd i think it should be less houses in there and i don't know the different delineations of you know how you do the zoning numbers but you know 40 houses is a gracious plenty but then you start getting into the financial aspects you start looking at the taxes that aren't going to be coming in as much as what you had planned the builders got to think of options but 40 houses at least is a gracious plenty on this property just simply because of the way it sits there in a watershed because it's downstream where all the ramifications are going to hit because of this one development let me ask you i mean do you you raise some interesting points what what is your your background uh i'm a graduate of the medical university of south carolina i have a degree in dental medicine so i i know a little bit about science but um it's just a lot of this is when you look at it my first thoughts was simply common sense but then when you start digging into the science and there's a lot out there about wetlands development and with if you look at the epa website you'll find it and and silt is one problem but the runoff which contains the nitrates and the phosphates and all of these different things that are really dangerous to your ecosystem of the creek itself and that's what concerns me because the first pond that gets hit is going to be mr moore's and it's just going to go on downstream um and i understand why he's worried about you know i'm worried about the silk too but i'm also it's it's been addressed you know plenty of times here let's get into the real problem of the chemical wash that's going to come down and really make some environmental changes thank you appreciate your time any questions or concerns appreciate it thank you so much for your time yes sir we're going to let danny do his magic here real quick is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21.015 yes sir and we've got a another mic over there if you can make sure you cut that on he just changed it out if he's [Music] my hairdresser's 240 pine tree drive here in greenwood my property has the longest line of adjacent mint if that's a word uh i'm downstream from this proposed project and the longest line of my property maybe an eighth of a mile is on the downstream side of this proposed idea my wife and i bought this property from the family who owns it now and we also purchased the place we live now we bought 10 acres and a beautiful home there and we also have bought eight more acres to try to buffer our property from anything that might happen here on that land um which was was very nice of them to to do to sell that land and that was the idea of trying to buffer this well there's a costco or 120 houses um and i feel like this affects me and my family um in a way that i am i'm building a pool right now in my backyard i can see even i bought as much of that land as i could and design what they what they cut off of it to try to make it to where it wouldn't affect my life the way it's going to but i'm building a pool in my backyard right now i started it before this idea came about and now i i realize i'll be standing on my porch my back porch overlooking my pants right and i'll be looking at homes possibly and twenty homes i heard this nice man pray earlier and he used the word storm that the good lord you know he looks out for us when wearing a storm and he's proved that to me a million times seems like and i found our community then [Music] it's like my [Music] i have concerned about concern about safety you know you put this in the city you put it in my backyard [Music] to have enough cops can you get there can you protect me and my family can you protect my creek as jay said it's so beautiful that flows down across all the way across my property and uh i would like to propose the idea of instead of packing more in i mean we're getting 260 apartments right up the street on calhoun road on the same side of the road quarter mile from the house quarter mile from jay and uh john [Music] we're getting really and i understand that we have a housing issue we've got great industry and we're growing as a town so i'm serious that's great but if i'm not [Music] [Music] now the environment that the turkey are walking up and down through there right now the fish in mr moore's pond those are fine arguments if we're going to cover it up with asphalt roots i mean asphalt roof with your shingles with these asphalt roads and all of this good stuff is it is going to without a doubt have an effect on our land and i i don't mind you knowing this about me i mean with where with the 18 acres that i have now and with the house that i bought from this fine family that's settling looks like to mr bailey with what all i've done with what they bought they sold me and everything i'm looking at 350 to 400 000 piece of property and you're talking about putting 120 plus houses in my backyard and my side yard and i don't believe there's anybody sitting here in this place tonight that would want that and that's my argument i mean i'm i'm not arguing with don't develop i'm arguing with not packing 120 houses on this piece of land i don't it's not just me either it's our community i mean do something bigger better nicer not packed in it's not a side road like milford springs road that's a cut-through road this is basically a bypass for our town you already have 260 apart apartments going in as we speak more housing across the street from the development we're talking about and now you want packed in more unsightly for our town in my opinion and not good for us i want to see nicer bigger homes bigger lots and a development we can be proud of not one that we are just looking at the bottom line on financially and that's that's all i have to say really appreciate your time thank you is there anyone else that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-014 let the record reflect there none phil would you mind coming up and educating us a little bit just on the zoning [Music] issue good evening [Music] there you go so currently just just so everybody knows currently this is county ag one but as soon as since we've annexed it now or had first reading for annexation we've got to assign it a city zoning code i guess uh designation and so tell us about r7 sure uh the ag-1 category is a county zone uh the city does not have any agricultural zone so that's the reason why we're here tonight the r7 allows for six thousand square foot lot size minimum uh that's what mr bailey is requesting uh even though he's identified that he cannot uh meet the overall density of that zoning district he is requesting the r7 based on the 6 000 square foot lot size the city does have additional zones and each of those corresponds to the overall density however that does not meet his his need for the six thousand square foot lot size so if you went to a different zone it would actually be changing the type of home and home site that he would be putting on that that development and the r7 in a nutshell is basically you can put seven homes on one acre is that correct correct as far as maximum and i mean we actually have how many zoning classifications do we have a lot i think it's around 23 24. in terms of i guess residential uh single family single family we have but it goes up to it goes up to r10 or does it go up it goes up to r15 but those are multi-family zones uh you also have an r12 and an r10 but all those correspond to the number of units 10 units per acre 12 units per acre in this case it's 7 units per acre what's the highest single family zone we have is it r10 r12 it would be r7 it's strictly single family gotcha so anything over r7 you're looking at multi correct you're adding in that apartment aspect phil in the current zoning based on the co the counting zone um ag one um five almost six houses per acre could be built right that's correct and the new zone the proposed zone r7 would allow seven one more home per acre is that correct correct so even if the developer decided to keep this in the county it was not in the city he could still um but the the lot square footage would be a little bit different too is that correct just a minor difference by 150 square feet okay anybody else have any questions for phil the question that i always ask is can you provide us with stash recommendation yes staff's recommendation of this request was approval and how does this fit with the long-term comprehensive plan this area is identified for medium density residential so this category would meet that meet that requirement thank you actually i'm sorry it says low density residential for this area it has water and sewer sewers right across the road from this property so the infrastructure is available to the site so we saw no issue as far as the ability to serve that area are you familiar with for this piece of property no are you familiar with any stormwater that runs off of calhoun road uh very little from everything that's that the concerns that have come to me it it tends to be that um everyone's concerns that all the storm water will go backwards into the woods would that be typical um yes and no because this is a d.o.t highway right they are in in control of the stormwater that runs off of that and they're responsible for it so if whatever um infrastructure they have in place to handle that that coverage whether it's discharging into a local stream they are responsible for that but they will also answer to dhec for any problems that may occur from any runoff that comes from that that roadway just as if any other developer were developing this property or any other property you're still going to have to follow dhec requirements for stormwater runoff thank you for any other questions thank you we're question time is with phil here thank you all right do i hear a motion with regard to ordinance number 21-014 mr mayor motion to approve um consider our ordinance 21-0-1-4 men the city of greenwood's official zoning map ordinance number 04-020 by resulting one parcel of land approximately 37.7 acres 75 acres located at 1925 calhoun road from ag one two r seven city r7 we have a motion by mr bass second second by mr miller any discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-014 you know i think i heard a lot of a lot of passionate certainly arguments uh this evening one thing i will say with regard to whether the city can handle it or not i i think that's a question that we've got to answer um and i feel that we are capable of as a city of handling it as as phil mentioned there's sewer and and other utilities that can uh that can be tied in to that and i feel confident that our that our public safety and police and fire can handle that as well um i i understand the concern again of nearby property owners for some environmental issues i think a lot of these are going to be present anywhere you try to build um i don't know the veracity of all the environmental issues raised but um i understand that uh again anywhere that we're looking to expand in the city there's going to be nearby folks especially in the county that are going to be opposed and so it's not always an easy decision but we're uh we're we're glad to have interest from developers who who want to provide green wood with the residential inventory in terms of new houses that we deserve and it i understand this this neighborhood is not for everybody nobody's asking everyone to buy a home in here the smaller yard sizes are for probably a different generation than a lot of us up here that don't want to care for yards and and enjoy the smaller lot sizes in terms of some of the environmental concerns i know there that dehec is going to weigh in and is not going to let mr bailey uh do anything uh they've got d heck i know mr bailey and other developers have dealt with them before and uh i i feel that we're going to have to defer to dhec to a lot of the with regard to a lot of these questions because they're in a much better situation to handle those than we are any other thoughts regarding proposed ordinance number 21-014 i think that it needs to be noted also that um several of us attended a meeting last week with the effort called greenwood together um they identified a couple threats that we have with our growing industry in our area um several of those um are are things that we all know the the ones that the the one that surprised me the first one that surprised me was housing and no note that i didn't say affordable housing um i i i thought that that term would be used um in a later meeting in the week i learned uh from the gentleman that's building apartments down the road on calhoun road that he has a waiting list for 400 for all those apartments it's already full they already have people ready to move into those and they're not even built yet um that's how bad our housing crisis is in greenwood right now i think that um realtors are are um scurrying to find properties um i just recently sold a home and after i sold it i had folks calling me asking me if if if i was if i could sell the house because especially in that price range of of 120 540 000 they were they were they're looking for houses in that in that price range um i drove through milford pines last two weekends ago and that neighborhood's full uh we're not going to have empty houses we have folks that are desperate to move into our area and um they don't have anywhere to live and and and and and we are tasked with helping greenwood be a great community that can grow and be prosperous and provide great service to our cities and to our residents and and you know several people have said something about money i can guarantee this this isn't about tax money this is about providing a place for people to live and you know i if you read it if you listen to everything on facebook and you get these conspiracy theories about how how the government's about money guys i'm telling you something the folks that i sit along here with we're just worried about greenwood and and and we're worried about providing the best city services that we possibly can we have had many discussions about fire safety and and how long it's going to take to go out there and we asked very specific questions to the fire assistant fire chief last week how long is it going to take you to get there and he said six minutes um and and and and if northwest volunteer firefighters were right there and that fire department were right there how close is that to the same is various it's very close to the same the amount of services that get there that quickly for medical personnel and everything we have done incredible amount of diligence for this project um and i'm very proud of that but i'm telling you um we don't we i certainly don't take these things lightly i don't i don't think that any of us do but uh this is not about money this is about providing houses so people can live right here in greenwood thank you mr bass any further discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-014 amongst council all in favor of ordinance number 21-014 all opposed motion carries by vote of four to two we got next under public hearing item number four is to consider ordinance number 21-015 amending ordinance number 20-027 city of greenwood budgets for 2021. as we discussed in work session this is a budget amendment request for 190 218 for one-time staff retention payments and eighty six thousand two hundred five dollars for some unforeseen storm drainage repairs at kitson and wade the total abund budget amendment being requested of council is 276 thousand four hundred twenty three dollars which will come from 2020 surplus currently estimated at approximately 550 000. sorry that total number was what again i'll flip through these slides it'll be at the end there that's the breakdown of the one-time payments this is some pictures of the storm change issues that we're having um [Music] that's the dollar amount for the unbudgeted stormwater repairs and the total amounts 276 423 all right since this is a public hearing is there anybody that wishes let me get back is anybody that wishes to speak in favor of proposed ordinance number 21-015 let the record reflect there are none is there anyone that wishes to speak in opposition to proposed ordinance number 21-015 let the record reflect there are none and i guess before we get into discussion um anything else from staff to add to this thank you do i hear emotion motion to approve ordinance number 21-015 second motion by mr miller second by ms hutto and i know we've all been briefed on a lot of these i don't know that it makes sense to go line by line um but the total amount the uh that bottom line 276 is is the total of all those other numbers am i right i think the stormwater remediation work was what uh 86 000 and is that mostly very aged stormwater i don't know the age of it but for it to be collapsing the way it is i would say that it's it's pretty old the reason i ask is just i'm assuming that we're that we're using better techniques in terms of storm water in 2021 than we were in 1921. there's a tremendous number of materials out there that you can use for storm water you know i've seen brick concrete plastic so who knows what 2021 will look like in 20 years they may say man why are we all using that material you know hopefully hopefully we're still okay in 20 years we're like do you want to um we've seen good success with lining pipes i will tell you that you want to mention um publicly about how we're going to be able to save nearly uh just over 15 thousand dollars sure so greenwood metro has a this was the original cost estimate provided to us by the um contractor am liner that greenwood metro is using that are in town right now if we use their contractor we'll save the mobilization fees which is a little bit over 15 thousand dollars taking us to 86 205. is that something we have to tell them quickly we've already spoken with the contractor they're just waiting on council approval they said as long as we have the contract signed by june they'll be fine do i hear a motion with regard to do i did i i did thank you they're all running together any further discussion regarding proposed ordinance number 21-015 all in favor of ordinance number 21-015 the opposed motion carries by a vote of six to zero up next we have the first public appearance of the evening we'd like to recognize velma velma wardlaw who is representing the west side coalition planning team sport law come on up good evening miss ward law switch on if you could state your name and address for the record good morning good afternoon this uh my name is velma caldwell-wardlaw i'm here to speak on behalf of the west side coalition planning team our coalition is made up of community residents churches of the community and habitat for humanity who has been and still is an active partner in our community improvement efforts we thank the city for working with our team to accomplish the improvements already done in our area yet there is much to accomplish much more to be done in removing other abandoned houses and getting landlords to correctly maintain the upkeep of their properties we'll be continuing to keep our own residents homeowners informed and involved in our mission as much as possible and we will also reach out to renting tenants that may want to join with us we recognize that much more gets done with everyone coming together for a common cause that should be a goal for all of us and we are glad to say that our councilwoman ms potlow now joins our online conference meetings so we consider her as a part of our team she's showing that she'll work with anyone in her ward thank you miss parlow we want to say thank you for the prompt response replacing the note of placing the no dumping sign that was needed on our street our neighbors have been informed and hopefully it results will result in keeping that area clean we did notice that the corner house connected to that lot does not have a recycled container although other things were being dumped at that spot much of the refuge was recyclable and the question i'm asking is are the garbage and recycled carts assigned to a home by the city or rather is it the tenants or the landlords responsibility to request them i think we can get you a quick answer recycling containers are given out by the county this city puts out the green cans so if you give me the address we can contact the county about a blue roll cart there okay because either way having a recycle cart on that premise should eliminate any excuse for continued littering please keep working on a way to improve on the length of time between pickups for yard and bulk waste i'm sure you're working on it but we we know it can be done and improved lastly thank you for to the police force as we've noticed more patrols and quicker response times we are very interested in the community policing efforts and are looking forward to the day when officers and citizens can recognize each other as we earn each other's respect finding that place is a two-way street and hopefully with offices and residents interacting when not on a call this can be done maybe that can be possible again one day soon that really would be something and as the saying goes nothing makes a failure but a trial and thank you again but let's keep working together thank you miss wardlaw we appreciate you you coming and speaking with us and i would i would concur that we've done a lot of work over there but there's work to be done of course we've got we've got other areas in greenwood too but but we certainly appreciate the strong community association in the in the west side community y'all do great work over there thank you miss warlow i did want to mention while you're up here these are the photos that ms partlow sent me that you asked for us to put in the slideshow and um all of these houses um are slated to be torn down we've gotten funding from the department of commerce um we should have had them down by now but unfortunately kova delayed the process of getting the paperwork completed and the staff was had to divert to more emergency funding but we were in touch with them today and we're also hopeful that we're going to be able to get that one down that caught on fire so we're moving on that thank you ryan you were you were running with it you want to keep going all right uh with the second public appearance for this evening we'd like to recognize michael berry who's requesting ending the mass court good evening mr barry all right if you could state your name and your address for the record it's michael berry at 115 granite court here in the city thank you uh my apologies for not addressing this grievance with you at your next council meeting but your office said regular meetings are better than your working meetings i just hope what i have to say isn't forgotten by then i want to make sure that i get to speak on behalf of the thousands of residents in this area that oppose this mass coordinates before you get into another emergency meeting where no one gets to say anything before i get started i want to reiterate that anyone who still wants to wear a mask by all means wear one where to if it makes you safe but we're tired of having our civil liberties oppressed our governor has been playing a classic game of pure politics throughout this entire 60 weeks of two weeks to flatten the curve on one hand he has stated that south carolina has never closed for business and he has never issued a mandatory mass mandate while on the other hand he continues to extend his state of emergency with dhec and that order is the very backbone of every piece of legislation that towns and counties throughout the state are using to oppress its citizens into submission of wearing a mask most of you guys refuse to follow science on this and are led by the mainstream media hospital ceos in fear i stand here tonight in full opposition of any mask ordinance for the following reasons again i believe this uh i realize this topic has become highly politicized has been blown out of proportion in the media let me be clear up front i am not a doctor virologist or head of the cdc but i do have a lot of one trait that seems to disappear from a lot of folks in this world and that's common sense that common sense makes me ask the following questions of all of you in all forms of government questions that still do not get answered but rather redirected as we're having a circular argument to deflect uh criticism left my box a mask at my uh seat but it says right on that box of mask and i've seen every one of you wear it at some point in time since we've had these i've been watching these meetings online and it says clearly on the box they're not for medical use they're worthless if i wear a mask why do i have to social distance if i social distance why do i have to wear a mask the human body needs to be exposed to germs in order to develop a healthy immune system and you quarantine the sick not the healthy why do we listen to certain health care officials when they are getting a check from the government for every coronavirus case they document where has the regular garden variety flu gone what about all those deaths annually to target the elderly and people with deficient immune systems why are the number of cases going up yet the death rate is not what sense does it make to wear a mast to get seated at a restaurant 15 feet from the door where we sit down and take off that mask and sit in the same room that has the same central air system houses small businesses and churches can force to be forced to close or limit capacity yet liquor stores can stay open or a chain store can stay open and make its employees wear a mask yet not enforce the public to do so they want your money more and the government needs your excise dial tax dollars that's why this ordinance is still putting small businesses out of business if i'm not mistaken our own police chief said after this ordinance was passed the first time that he didn't have the manpower to enforce this so what's the point breathing your own co2 through a mask over time isn't healthy i have had friends diagnosed with covit and they have said that other than fever they felt fine i have also had parents of friends die from covet just like some die from the regular flu annually don't get me wrong i don't want anyone to get sick let alone die including myself but if we have 16 patients in the hospital with covid amongst the 70 000 plus residents in that county that equates to two ten thousands of one percent of the population and i'm just basing the county of greenwood and other counties are utilizing self regional this is a form of influenza and it's going to mutate over and over again just like the guard variety flew it kills tens of thousands of people annually in the u.s but again after 60 weeks of two weeks to flatten the curve when does this end i refuse to accept this as the new normal before you rush to vote to continue this ordinance what does it say when states like california or cities like new york and chicago continue to see spikes in cases despite high mass compliance and states that have opened up like florida and texas not having the same issues by the way the apostle dr fauci the nation's highest paid federal employee by the way seemingly can't explain florida and texas either it's simple mass don't work in closing it's time for every individual not any government to accept exercise some personal responsibility just like when you have the cold or flu you call in sick from work or you stay home again if you choose to wear a mask because it makes you feel safe but by all means please wear a mask it just shouldn't be forced upon us when the survival rate for this is 99.98 it's also time for this city's governing body to lead the rest of the state not follow what everyone else is doing in getting this behind us thank you very much for your time thank you mr berry appreciate it certainly something we'll be uh thinking about when we consider this in two weeks may third is that two weeks two weeks i'm gonna say all right what do we have next under new business item number one is to consider the appointment of walter rohart to replace cal who makes a third on the board of architectural review i gave you guys a little bio of a wall he's a 2004 graduate of clemson university with a degree in community and economic development emphasis in regional planning he's a realtor with the whitmire agency since 2004 and he is a former greenwood city firefighter he's married to jennifer and they have one daughter elliott and he lives in the city and he lives in the city yes he lives in this city and he does crossfit every morning at five o'clock religiously a little bit over overachiever he lived in ward 6. in ward 6. he lives in ward 6. thank you to hear a motion with regard to uh appointment of walter rohart to the board of architectural review so moved second i have a motion by miss otto second by mr abel's any discussion regarding mr roark's proposed appointment all right all in favor of appointing walter rohart to replace calhoun maze iii on the board of architectural review i would concur with everybody mr roark think you'll be a great addition i'd also like to thank calhoun mays iii for his service on the board of architectural review and for all the other things he does in the community i'd also like to introduce you to josh skinner over there if you don't know him he's the staff liaison to the board of architectural review and he'll be getting you all the information you need about meetings and such he'll take you under his wallet i don't i don't assume anything assume nothing thanks well appreciate it under new business item number two is to consider the appointment of bryson baltinet to replace sheila reynolds on the seti county planning commission bryson is here this evening i've given you a bio on him as well he moved to greenwood to attend lander university he's a graduate of lander once he graduated he purchased the home in the city he remained here he originally lived on laurel and now he's since purchased a second home on katherine in ward 3. he's adjacent to the old greenwood village he enjoys living in the city i mentioned also too that he had previously worked with our staff on through his job at habitat for humanity on the demolition of all the houses in the west side including the mineral court apartments um so he does have a knowledge there of um affordable housing and things things like that um he currently is an employee of self-regional he said he enjoys live music food and shopping in the city and uptown all right all things we like to to hear people enjoy thank you mr bucknight for being being willing to hear a motion motion to approve second i have a motion by mr miller second by ms hutto any further discussion regarding the appointment of bryce and baulk nike to replace sheila reynolds on the city county planning commission all in favor of appointing mr bulk knight to this position motion carries by a vote of six to zero mr baltimore welcome we we appreciate it and um as we just did i'd also like to thank ms reynolds for her time on the board um i know she had moved out of the city but she was i know an asset to us so uh mr knight welcome to the team mr lindler will be in touch regarding scheduling and appointing appointments and all the good things you need to know all right thank you item number three under new business is to consider executive session to discuss a contractual arrangement for the potential use of property located on griffin avenue we'll hear a motion motion to go into executive session to discuss a contractual arrangement potential use of property located on griffin avenue second a motion by mr bass second by mr miller any discussion regarding that all in favor of going into executive session to discuss a contractual arrangement for potential use of property located on griffin avenue all opposed motion carries by a vote of six to zero ring for the festival of flowers and i'd also like to commend uh publicly ryan for cleaning up the conference room and there looks fantastic it was it was told it couldn't be done and he did it so thank you i don't know if you're on you want to press that button up there you go um greenwood is called the demo city and then the story of the wizard of oz the idea was that the city looked green and everything was closed but everybody was looking at the city from tinted glass we have to stop looking at our city lieutenant class i attended the dedication of a habitat home on yesterday and i had some interesting conversations with the people that were there you saw some of the pictures i'm meeting with habitat to identify the homes that they're targeting and we'll be targeting the other homes that they're not to get them cleaned up in our neighborhood it is a shame that we have citizens and homeless people living in condemned houses there's an older man living in a home that was rented by his brother the brother passed away a few weeks ago at the end of the month this man will be put out where is he to go we can't always depend on family because families sometimes don't want to deal with these people because there may be mental issues or addictions greenwood has about 800 income based apartments about 200 low-rent apartments and then they also have the home charge vouchers the medium gross income in greenwood is 2 049 the median rent is 664 a month households who pay more than 30 of their gross income are considered rent overburdened in greenwood many households that make less than twenty one hundred dollars a month are over 57.41 percent of households in greenwood are rent overburdened landlords collect rent for months maybe even years and hardly put anything back into their property they know that the demand is high but the supply like you said earlier is low so losing a tenant doesn't bother them because they know that somebody is going to rent this place anyway the point is some have no choice as to where they live they can't afford a hundred thousand dollar home and these new developments that we have i know i've only been here for four months and i knew that this was going to be a challenging position but i did not count on the emotional aspect that it would take in the gap that is our homeless population and our senior citizens and most of them live within two blocks of downtown so when you go home tonight to your beautiful homes with your electricity and with your air conditioning and with your feet appreciate that other city council comments and then uh one other thing that we had mentioned that what wasn't on the agenda is and i know i sent a message out but we're we're gonna try to kick start trash time with tara and she can she'll be here next time but i'm challenging uh my other members of council of city council we're going to try to go uh and pick a ward each month to to clean up so i don't we can go we can start with ward one or if anybody wants to volunteer the next scheduled trash time with tara is saturday may 22nd i believe that's a saturday so whoever whoever wants to volunteer their award first i think maggie mcmahon is our city county trash czar has some ideas for each of the wards so i guess i'll put a there'll be a prize for whoever uh volunteers their award first for may 22nd all right you win i feel like we should just start through one through that's not a bad idea either nikki you want pat on the back thank you that surprise yeah all right she is but she's not gone till june we usually do nine o'clock and i think she had emailed some potential locations within ward one and so i'll get we'll we'll get with you and get it all straight thank you okay and uh thank you for bearing with us going a little bit out of order but city manager comments what we got you want me to go ahead and do my comments as well okay i have a bunch uh so mr bassett i heard about an update on the grants awarded to businesses at the end of 2020 ryan sent that info to each of you in email last week so if you have any questions about that you can let me know i know he had mentioned wanting somebody from the chamber to comment that information if you still want that just let me know we discuss broadband at the april 5th meeting we know that there will be funding that will be included in the new stimulus package that can take broadband whatever that may mean and ensure that we have coverage in the entire city we are still working on this and as soon as we have the info together we will bring it forward to council mainly garvin originally was going to present the audit tonight i believe they've met with the audit committee which is mr miller the mayor and miss hutto on april 13th and they've concluded that um it would be better to have them present the full audit that made the may 17th meeting if you have any questions about that meeting on the 13th you can ask any of your fellow council members to fill you in on that meeting um reminder about the strategic planning meeting this thursday from nine to one at the arts center uh just make mention of the greenwood together meeting that i know several of you attended on april 6 with the workforce strategic plan was unveiled by the chamber um the actual report has not yet been received as it's still in a draft format as soon as we have the final i'll provide you all with copies and if you want the chamber to come give a formal presentation to staff i'll be happy to arrange that for you all just a reminder i believe i sent this to you on an email earlier today that the american junior golf association is returning to stony point august 8th through the 13th this is the third year that they've done this tournament in greenwood um i believe last year was a 400 000 economic impact to our community so it's a big deal also jumping back i think it may it may be a good idea to have a chamber present that green one together report be fine sure thank you um i afforded you all some information earlier today on a a part of the new stimulus funds that is called the restaurant revitalization grants 28.6 billion through the american rescue plan i'm going to provide you all the frequently asked questions before i leave here today but i also emailed it to you it's really hard to disseminate that information we don't have one steady database it's just every restaurant in greenwood we did send it out to our uptown restaurant so we have a very good email database for them we sent it to the chamber asked them to forward it to their restaurant contacts i sent it out to the county for their council members so if you know of a restaurant that might need i just feel like there's so many different pots of money that are coming down with the new stimulus package we've kind of to do our part to make sure that our local businesses know what's out there and available to them julie that that website that's that was on that pdf was very informative it tells you a lot more that certainly will they're starting to sprinkle information down they still have you know anything out holistically but but they're starting to get it out so that's good i'm glad laura's getting it to all the uptown restaurant restaurant tours and of course the barbecue restaurants and the migs and everything in the world that aren't downtown but in the city we'll be sure to to disseminate that maybe i don't i don't know i'm not the the guy to come up with it but it may be good to try to come up with some type of database right we're working on it we just don't have a very comprehensive one right now um we're work laura's working with the folks in finance through the business license renewals they don't always give their email address but if they do we'll be able to use it that way to try to communicate with them it was really helpful during the first kind of covered run when we got the um stimulus dollars to be able to have that strong database of uptown businesses that we could push that out to so and the chamber has a strong email base so we've been forwarding things to them and saying hey push this out to your memberships i mean i don't want to micromanage the forms but it may be worth requiring them to put an email address for the one percent that don't have an email address i don't know if there's anything right there's a blank for it it's just people might not always fill it out um tool design is putting the finishing touches on the final draft of the city center master plan we have a plan for them to present to council at the meeting on may the 17th i'll try to get you a draft prior to that meeting um i wanted to let you know that magnolia and foundry park phase one are nearing 100 design this is through the capital project sales tax uh grace street design is on hold while we bid out the demolition of the old water treatment plant and the bids are due i didn't fill in the blank but it's may the 20th um and i just wanted to know would council like to see or hear an update about the planned development at the may third work session i i really would because i'm hearing rumors of things getting added to it that we're gonna have to maintain sure we'll bring you we'll bring you the so right now all we have as far as city parks is magnolia and foundry the design of grace street is is on hold right this moment uh because we were hopeful to use phase one money to get those buildings out of the way would you like for davis and floyd to do that or you just want me to do it what julie really my question is is we're going to be owning this park we're going to have to maintain it but i there there sure are a lot of people making decisions for us after we're going to have to maintain and i'm hearing bike tracks and all kinds of other things that but if if that's the case if we will have that information and be able to prove all of that that's great i mean but um that's that's really my that was really my concern the track that you're discussing is not in any design that i've seen okay that's all i really care about um the mask ordinance we all know is expiring on may the may the 10th um in in the interest of just staff sanity we feel like the best thing to do would be to put that on the may third agenda as a discussion item we don't know which way council is leaning we don't know you know y'all may have six different opinions about the mask ordinance it's very difficult for staff to come up with an ordinance or a resolution or anything that's going to be cohesive and so at the may 3rd meeting we will have a discussion about that agenda item if something were to come from that where you all want to vote on something new or different we'll just have to set up a special called meeting and that's just going to be the cleanest way to do it um and then i wanted to remind you about the uptown live on april the 30th from 5 30 to 8. because of the huge interest in the food truck event we just felt like we could sell tickets for five dollars and try to limit the attendance as best we could will we have huge huge crowds we don't know if we don't have huge crowds we can always sell tickets at the gate and let people in we just felt like we needed to try to control it in some way yet yeah i don't i'm not i'm not on the keeping up with that chain so i don't know how many there are ryan may know i'm not i'm not sure okay so i know the index journal i believe is going to be running something this week about it so well i look forward to when we have uh events and actually want to encourage people and here's all kinds of upcoming things um including what ms partlow just mentioned which is tomorrow evening at six o'clock at morris chapel which is the community dialogue with police in the strategic planning meeting on thursday anything in red you need to let tiffany know if you want to go and now if you'd like we can go into executive session thank you we i don't know that another vote even because i went out of order is necessary would you say it is okay all right we have the forest considering executive session to discuss a contractual arrangement for the potential use of property located on griffin avenue do i hear a motion mr mayor i'll make a motion to go into executive session to discuss a contractual arrangement for the potential use of property located on griffin avenue mr mayor there was already a quotient in a second yeah i think since we went out of order we're out of an abundance of caution we're doing it second i have a motion by mr bass second by mr miller all in favor of going into executive session to discuss contractual arrangement for the potential use of property located on griffin avenue all opposed motion carries by a vote of 6-0 thank you all for coming appreciate it you