[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] all right ready to go good evening everyone welcome tonight is Monday March 4 2024 this is a regular meeting of the minaka city council I will call this meeting to order and ask you to stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Miss Faulk would you please call R ra here kley here Foster Bolton here sha here Wilburn here calber here weon here next item is approval of the agenda we do have an agenda um Miss Dam thank you mayor and good evening Council this evening there is one item on the agenda for consideration item 14b 2024 assessment report on page 13 of the assessment report the commercial net growth section was corrected to reflect the net value growth this concludes the changes this evening and with that may I turn it back to you for consideration thank you council is there a motion Council M Calbert uh I'll make the motion to approve the agenda as amended and a second I'll second all right we've got a motion by council member Calver and a second by council member ra Miss ful please call roll ra yes kley yes Foster Bolton yes Shaq yes Wilburn yes Calver yes woron yes motion carries next item is approval of minutes and we have no minutes tonight so that takes us to special matters and we have one special matter tonight and that is the recognition of the 2024 minona Academy participants so thank you all for being here and um the way we're going to do this is um I will uh read this recognition um from here and Miss Fulk um I we have some certificates that I believe were handed out to some folks at the meeting but because of the inclement weather not everyone could be there so as you come forward if you haven't gotten your certificate um Miss Faulk will um give that to you then we'll gather around and uh um we'll uh get a picture of everyone um for the record and then that will do it but I appreciate you all being here so um now I'm going to read my script here and so I'll probably repeat myself because I said half of what's in it but uh we want want to recognize the 2024 minona Academy participants and thank you for your participation not all participants could be with us tonight but if you are in attendance please rise as I call your name and um and come forward um and then uh we will get things taken care of so um and then I ask that you um hold any Applause until the end so I will read these name your names and um if I manag to mess up the pronunciation anyway please correct me because I want to get it right but thank you so much for being here so first James Allen Philip Barnhill gwendelyn Cameron Brian Chen Jim [Music] Clayton marn Marilyn Clayton Janie kulong Molly Daly Skyler Daly Mark Ellis Holly Godfrey Edwin Hassler Mark hyberg Margaret householder Irene Kelly Thomas McMullen Pamela Melky Boyce Kelly mulski Nathan mulski Carolyn Miller Bria Murphy Cindy Reich Terry Rattan Renee sheepers Dwayne schroer Pam Schroeder Carol Siler Marge tree Jack Wilcox and Mary Wright and just to double check did I miss anyone muskat okay thank you very much Becca Becca Muscat I missed um I did I did sneak you're there right between briam Murphy and Cindy Reich so my apologies for that so well first of all congratulations to all of you for um your participation in the minaka Academy I hope that you found your time to be um worthy of the investment uh we really appreciate your taking the time um thank you for attending each session and taking the time to learn more about our city and then uh I'll I'll come down and join you for a photo if you can and then uh thank you very [Applause] much yeah should we go in front of good thank [Applause] you all right and thank you all for being here tonight so next item on the agenda is reports from city manager Excuse me yes reports from city manager and council members Miss Dam thank you mayor and Council I do have a few things for you this evening first tomorrow is election day for the presidential nomination primary polls are open from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. and we hope many voters are able to get out and vote additionally next Tuesday March 12th there is a community community solar Workshop in the minaka community center beginning at 700 p.m. for those interested in learning more about Community solar as a reminder Friday March 15th is a state of the city to be held at the March beginning at 11:30 a.m. also I'd like to make a plug for open positions currently posted with the city of minetonka we offer a wide range of opport job opportunities including full-time part-time and in most need are seasonal positions so we encourage those who may know somebody to share the information and to visit our website at the city of minetonka um to learn more lastly the next council meeting is a study session to be held on March 18th at 6:30 p.m. so with that mayor I turn it back to you thank you Miss damond uh council members anything that you would like to report anything it's been a quick week so not too much has happened um and I don't have too much report other than to say that I will be in St Paul on Wednesday I'm going to testify in um Senator Kelly Morrison's um transportation committee to talk about the Highway 7 commission and the much needed improvements to Highway 7 to get Ure funding for that so I will I along with several Mayors on from cities along Highway 7 will be testifying that between testifying in that Committee hearing between 3 and 5: on Wednesday afternoon so with that we will move on the next item is Citizens wishing to discuss matters not on the agenda so this is an open mic opportunity if you have something that you would like to make the council aware of uh please come forward to the podium state your name and address and tell us what you want to know I can tell you that no action will be taken tonight we will turn it um turn whatever you report over to staff and have them investigate and report back to the council so is there anyone who would like to make any comments to the council tonight anyone all right seeing none seeing no one we will move on the next item is bids and purchases and we have none of those tonight um item 10 is the consent agenda um items requiring a majority vote and we don't have any of those tonight so that brings us to item 11 which is the consent agenda um items requiring five votes or um a super majority and we only have one item um on that tonight and that is item 11a and it is conditional use permit with variance for a detached accessory dwelling unit at 13910 n Way Drive South so and if anyone like more information on that we can pull it otherwise we can just um after it's been read into the record and we can just vote on it uh Council M rack thank you mayor I will move approval of consent agenda item 11a council member Calbert thank you mayor I'll second we have a motion by council member sha and a second by council member Calbert Miss Faulk please call R ra yes kley yes Foster Bolton yes sha yes Wilburn yes Calbert yes weome yes motion carries item 12 is Introduction of ordinances we have none of those tonight we have no public hearings tonight item 13 so that brings us to other business item 14 and 14a is a preliminary plat for Woodhaven a five lot subdivision at 2424 and 244 Plymouth Road and Mr Gordon that's your report thank you mayor council this is the Wood Haven plat as you mentioned mayor I'll give a little bit of background on the site there are two properties uh that are included in the plat um they are about 4 and a half acres in size uh there are two homes one on each parcel the the larger one was built in the 40s and then the smaller one was uh subdivided off and then built in the 70s so there's kind of a long history of um of uh ownership here by um a single family actually I apologize for my frog in my throat tonight okay so just a few things about the site um this this includes both of the properties as you see here on the screen so the 4 and a half acres uh for both of those Frontage on Plymouth Road uh and then um kind of a rectangular or excuse me a square uh size site uh with a number of features uh they're are um steep slopes there's a significant number of trees and then there are uh also a wetland feature here as well so a lot of things going on on this 4 and a half acre site little bit of background um back in uh 2021 through 22 we had an attempt to do a little different uh proposal than you're seeing this evening and this was um an attempt to go from an R1 zoning to an r1a so so a smaller lot size down to like 15,000 square ft and then um you know Frontage on a a new public Street uh basically double the number of lots with 10 as shown here uh that uh concept never really materialized into a preliminary plat like we're seeing tonight uh did get a bunch of comment along the way and then some plans were kind of adapted from this one um that included um a similar plan to the one where reviewing tonight um in in 23 and this was um one the developer it did it didn't make it to this level at the council and Planning Commission but at a staff level U just having a discussion about it and this would would have required a variance same number of lots but um the feedback from staff caused uh some change to that so seeing a little bit different uh proposal tonight all right so I just want to get into some details about this again this is a R1 uh zoning the plat is uh consistent with all of the dimensional standards of the R1 District so uh half Acer lot size 110 ft of Frontage uh minimum of 65 on the bulb on the culde saac so it meets all those standards we do have a number of environmental uh aspects to this as well that are uh kept in check uh so staying away from the steep slopes the 20 and more more specifically the 30% it's kind of an avoidance area so the plat respects that we also have the Wetland feature on the north side of the site um that's being protected managed uh for storm water rate volume control as well and then um we also have uh the tree protection ordinance which I had mentioned there there a significant number of trees so uh this plat does a really uh nice job of kind of respecting the locations of the trees and and minimizing to the extent possible for platting um the tree loss so it's really under um our significant trees and our high priority trees um standard by by quite a bit the significant is only 177% uh removal uh can have up to 50 uh the high priority is a little closer to the margin uh it's at about 33 and 35 is the uh limit there so but again uh good job of staying away from the majority of the site and then lastly we always look at kind of the storm water and utility aspects of the project so this site incorporates a number of uh storm uh water features a lot of rain Gardens on each of the Lots um they have systems that Connect into um built systems offsite uh that uh will provide kind of the Overflow and uh um um manage to storm water that way and then kind of lastly here with the utilities um kind of a nice Improvement for all of the neighborhood here so there's a water m u that would be provided in sanitary sewer from Plymouth Road to provide water and sewer to the five Lots um we're also uh able to get a connection to the water in Forest Meadow Lane to the West uh from the site so that will provide a loop uh to the water system which is uh always beneficial to everybody for uh U good flow um you know back uh back flowing if needed in terms of uh needing to shut down valves for maintenance uh provides good quality too so you're not at the end of a system so um this will be bored um for part of part of its length the and what I mean is some of the impacts to the ground won't happen because uh of that boring so in the in the edge off of the culdesac here um there will be kind of an open open cut installation of that main where the grading will happen for the homes and then from about this point it'll be directionally boarded uh out to its Connection in Forest Meadow Lane so that'll reduce impact of trees uh disturbance of soils um kind of keep it uh out of sight from The neighbors's Yards um there will be a connection in the street that'll happen at some uh with this water main but it'll really avoid the impacts that would typically see so that's a benefit as well again so this is the five lot plat it's a conforming plat no variances it meets all of our ordinances um this also just of note because we've had some conversation about traffic in the neighborhood um the street connection would align with Amy Lane across the street that's a feeder into uh kind of uh that Amy Lane neighborhood there where there's two other cacs there so it's a it's a very much aligned um you know intersection which is desirable uh the count is in support of this type of alignment we don't have need for turn Lanes um you know left or right on the county road County did not need those for this particular development um so we think we're in good shape for um the future with this street alignment as well so with that mayor and Council this is uh the recommendation uh coming from the Planning Commission they had a six uh to zero uh vote to recommend your approval of the project and uh the conditions that are outlined in the resolution support all of the staff uh findings and code sections um so it's here for your review tonight and again we're recommending approval turn it back to you mayor thank you Mr Gordon um let's see I think we'll do a few things but first of all Council any questions for Mr Gordon yeah go ahead um just out of curiosity why with the with the the original 10 house like just a couple of G was it just because there would it would require resoning or was there other reasons yeah mayor and council member Foster Bolton there were there were a few things that were happening at that time um This was um a time where we hadn't had development in this neighborhood and I think it got a lot of of the neighbors attention about what the expectations were going to be for development of the site as an R1 site to rezone it to r1a so we had some feedback on the density um didn't have a real good handle on all the tree impact at that point um was going to be significant um probably was not going to meet the tree ordinance so I think a lot of that feedback just caus the change in direction to get to where we are this evening and then um just out of curiosity too ballpark how much are would these houses cost like yeah mayor and council member Foster bolt and I think I'll I'll defer to the Builder um tonight and um just let him give you some more detail on on the numbers right we can we'll we'll give him the opportunity to talk about his project and he can bring that no you're good are there any other questions for staff all right oop go ahead councilor sha thank you mayor um just for everybody's kind of uh reference what is the level of development that typically requires a traffic study because that's something that's come up quite a bit here yeah mayor and council member sha we had that question come up during the Planning Commission hearing about traffic studies and typically um for you know single family detached housing projects that that we see in minona that are a dozen or so lots um never never do we typically require traffic study what we would look at though are considerations for like the County Road Road here for example if the county wanted a turn lane um I can think of Island Oaks um where that was eight or nine lot developments and we had a a left turn or excuse me a right turn lane off of McGinty onto bis point that was a requirement the county had um they're not requiring it in this one but traffic studies are usually for commercial projects um multif Family projects with you know hundreds of units in them uh single family projects so just don't don't rise to that threshold where it triggered thank you that's really helpful thank you Conor Calbert thank you mayor I have a I have a couple of questions I uh got a partial answer uh earlier today because in the tree inventory there are several trees that are marked as dead and also as saved and so my question earlier had been you know do those particular trees that are marked as dead and also saved uh enter into the calculation for the percentage to meet our tree ordinance and the answer was no but I was just wondering then why are they marked saved so I just wanted some clarification on that you know how things are marked in that tree inventory Mr Gordon yeah mayor and council member Calbert um yeah the the trees there's a a two dead oak trees on lot three and lot four that were noted as saved in the tree preservation uh spread sheet and um again those are uh trees that don't count uh as a tree in the inventory you know against or uh for the number of trees that are being taken or or preserved uh it so it's just a tree that would presumably just um be taken down or fall down over time um provide habitat during the time that it's up so it's really so the natural resources um staff uh basically left it up the the developer to take it or leave it up as as they choose so okay yeah so you know this I just didn't know how you know people are going to look at that and maybe make their own calculations so thank you for that and then on page 43 um as you scroll through the um the packet um there was a letter from a resident you know saying that um Mark you know there was an engineering crew out today marking what they said was a 100-year high water level and then there were enclosed photos of their home which essentially uh sits entirely within the flood plane and so I just wanted a little explanation of a couple of things one is sort of is is that is the hundred year has the 100-year flood plane changed um since the construction of that home and uh you know H if not you know under what conditions was a construction of a home approved in a 100-year flood plane and then um I know it's going to come up um but if you could just talk a little bit about and you did somewhat talk about some of the storm water management features um but just to reassure people If This Were to pass um what might happen with storm water yeah mayor Mr Gordon council member calt um so the the 100-year flood area in and the letter that was referenced in the packet is referencing this Wetland on the north side of the site and um what has been designed for the project is that water in kind of this catchment area around the Wetland would flow into uh first this rain Garden that then discharges into the Wetland and then the Wetland has an overflow on the North side there that that goes you know North and then through that neighbor's yard uh the storm water has been designed into our new flood plane standards so in um in real world it's it's a higher standard than what may have ever been anticipated previous to this project or when that neighborhood was approved um but that that neighbor does have a low a flat area uh that the water Finds Its way through over time and um I know that the applicant has been out to the site with um their crew uh they've talked to the neighbors our engineering staff has also talked with the applicants engineer um we don't have concerns about that as a flood uh risk to the home uh which is the primary concern um I think it's been indicated to the homeowner that um again there's not a there's not a legal conveyance through the property with a drainage easement um so if they wish to do something uh to their yard just to for additional flood protection they could they could do sale they could do a number of things just to redirect the water away from the home if they were concerned about that but again um we've looked at it in a couple of different ways and uh we feel comfortable with the plan that's been designed um so that's that's that piece of it um the rest of the storm water system um kind of has some catchment areas on the south side of the culdesac and again those go through a series of rain Gardens so that the ones on the south kind of drain uh to the west and then there's a there's a feature over here kind of similar to the the north side of the site where there's Overland um uh drainage into uh a pipe that's on the neighboring uh plat and properties there um as we indicated in staff report we may want to try and connect that uh the the developer may want to connect that to the city's pipe just to keep the Overland drainage from happening and put it into a pipe um so that's either either of those are acceptable options U for drainage off the site um so that's that's storm water in a in a nutshell if I missed anything Mr Manchester will certainly add to it no I think mayor and Council council member Calbert I think that covers it the only other thing I would say is you know all the existing drainage patterns are maintained so the water is Flowing the same way and the development does require the rate to be maintained you know no more than exists today so that's why we're comfortable with it C are there other questions I'm going to ask one that's related to the questions that um Conor Calbert asked because I do remember when we looked at that 10 10 lot plan and we we spent quite a bit of time talking about the one lot that was in the um northwest corner which is the is the corner of lot five and um while this project did not Make It Forward um I do recall when we looked at it as a concept thinking well you're not going to get 10 lots and and and lot five was going to get a lot of attention I think from the council had had a had a project been proposed but it wasn't and it went away and now we've got a um a project that um I think does a much better job but one of the related questions I have not maybe specific to the proposal in front of us but the FEMA rules on the flood planes have changed and we would not approve a new lot or a new proposal in a flood plane but given the fact that the rules have changed over time and the um and the hydrology um measurements have changed over time um we do have properties in our city that have been built in flood planes correct and um I mean one I believe that's a case but you can correct me if I'm wrong and then you know is there in that circumstance um does the city have any responsibility toward those um homes that have ended up in flood ples or is it just something that you you live with and it's a reality that if they were being proposed now wouldn't be approved but they were approved and they're kind of grandfathered in for lack of better terminology so um tell me if I have that right and uh kind of what our what our status is and circumstances like that mayor and councel you know there were a number of I might refer to missiny too for the liability piece but yeah there were a number of properties you know built over the years when at the time they were developed they certainly met the rules of that time you know recently you know council did re review the atlas 14 rainfall data which has increased and so we're using the new data you know just BAS on what we know today so it would change you know what happens today but you know previously they were built under um the conditions at that time and I don't miss heiney has anything to add regarding that we don't have plans to you know change anything and just because a property is in a flood plane it doesn't necessarily mean there's water right in that area it's you know area designated for water if we were to get high amounts of water right Miss Hy I don't know if you have anything to add I sorry I'm not trying to have a stump the band question here but I'm curious about it when when you're dealing with um storm water there is never an easy answer and so every particular parcel is looked at for the particular facts and circumstances that apply to that and so I can't give a yes no simple answer all right I I I'll live with that but you know but I I I guess my key point is that things change over time and uh we um we do our very best to ensure that that properties are protected but but the rules do change over time and not and some of them are beyond our control um they can be Federal it can be state it can be other jurisdictions that are changing the rules and and so um you know if hindsight was 2020 you might do things differently but we're not in that position so um all right with that probably more discussion on that than we needed but um I would invite the applicant to uh come forward and talk a little bit about your project um thank you for proposing it and come forward state your name and address and just share anything with us that you would like to share all right thank you Mr mayor council members my name is Pat Hiller I'm one of the partners with Norton Holmes I live in Inver grve Heights my address is 10739 Allison way in inber grve Heights tonight I am joined by two two of our team members John Molen arrow is the project engineer he's with Pioneer engineering so if there's any uh storm water or engineering related questions I'll defer to John great um as well and I've got Mike hi who's back here behind John he's a broker who's going to be handling sales for us on this project and so all of us are here to help you uh help answer any questions you may have Norton Holmes is a custom home builder we've been around for almost 20 years we build 15 to 18 Custom Homes a year what in interested Us in this site is that its unique uh private um layout proximity to the mall good access to downtown and they give or take half acre to just under an acre wooded lots and so from a sales standpoint there's not much like it in this area we we hope it to be very high demand and we anticipate homes in the $2 to3 million price range probably two to two and a half million maybe a few get into the higher twos but that's our anticipation um what we are looking at doing if if the council approves our plat tonight going into the final plat and and hopefully getting site construction going um late spring early summer and then homes to follow after that that's the general timeline so we do want to get going right away and do some pre-marketing and see if we can pre-sell some of the homes but we haven't started Market anything yet don't want to get the cart before the horse here but that would be Our intention if we're approved tonight so with that I don't have anything to add to Lawrence summary here so just I'll be available if you have any questions or I can answer a some right now great there are any of the council I will ask the council if they have any specific questions for you I don't think we're going to be too hard on you tonight but uh Council I appreciate that any any questions um council member mey uh thank you for the proposal I just wanted to Circle back to council member Calvert's uh question on the dead trees um I was actually walking uh in the neighborhood yesterday and the wetlands um that are adjacent and in the middle of our walk a dead tree Came Crashing Down was that right yes I mean it startled us and as well well as you know some other people who are walking in the area so the comment would be um for safety reasons if nothing else please consider uh if this project goes forward removing those trees so somebody isn't underneath it when one comes down next time that's that's amazing story it was rather windy yesterday so well regarding the dead trees there's some dead dead trees on the ground that we do intend to clear um to the extent that we get access to some of the deud trees we'll we'll try to take them out but getting into the woods where we're saving the trees might prevent us from taking out some of the dead trees and the whole idea was to leave as much of the site as is as we possibly could but I your comment as well takeen I'm glad it didn't fall on you it was in somebody's yard okay thank you anyone else all right well thank thank you for being here tonight so let's see um we have um so we've heard from that's asked our questions um to for both the applicant and staff um I'm wondering if there's any neighbors that would like to comment on this proposal we've had all the all the public hearings and so forth but when something comes before us um if there if there's anybody who would like to make some comments to the council before we um evaluate and uh comment and U vote um I want to make that opportunity available is there anyone if you'd like to come forward please come forward state your name and address and U tell us what you'd like us to consider good evening good evening mayor council City officials Mr Hiller uh my name is Jane palansky and I live at 2452 Emerald Trail and I'm here on behalf of our neighbors in the emerald Trail neighborhood which is directly east of the proposed development I represent 18 homes and over 30 neighbors uh our two concerns I hate to be a naysayer and I'll first let me just say we are very much uh looking forward to this development we think it's a great use of the land um we're very much in favor of it we just have a couple of concerns that we wanted to bring to everyone's attention uh traffic and construction uh let me just um deal with the construction issue first um I've already talken with Mr uh spoken with Mr Hiller and we're confident that we can work together with him to mitigate the disruption to our neighborhood uh I have two Neighbors on Amy Lane in particular uh that are concerned about construction traffic during this process of building um there are a couple of school buses that have stops door too uh one being Blake school that uh we have a neighbor that's a grandmother that watches her children after school and that bus stop is right at her driveway and we're concerned about con overflow construction parking during the early phases of construction so that's one concern that we have but we are confident that we can work with the Builder and hopefully mitigate the disruption to our neighborhood uh the second more pressing concern that we have is traffic um we understand that the access point to this new development is directly across from Amy Lane with the extension of the new culdesac uh going into the new neighborhood and our main concern is safety um I went to the Planning Commission meeting and the general consensus there was and as well as iterated tonight was that a traffic study is not warranted given the low number of homes that are going in five homes uh now these are going to be higher and homes and so traffic will be a little bit higher given that um higher end homes generally require more deliveries and more service people so it's not just the occupants of the home but it's also all the deliveries and the the associated traffic with this development um I want to just really emphasize the difficulty of access from our side of the street on the east side of Plymouth Road coming from Emerald Trail to Amy lane and then using p accessing Plymouth Road It's Tricky sight lines and high speeds of cars it's posted 35 but cars go much faster as probably everybody knows um making a left turn in particular out of Amy Lane onto Plymouth Road the sight lines are extremely difficult uh the traffic coming from the North heading Southbound on Plymouth Road uh utilizes a curve as well as a hill that makes it very difficult to see that traffic coming southbound when you're trying to make a left turn out of Amy lane from the East side we're very concerned about the culdesac being directly across from where Amy Lane is currently for the future occupants of these homes as well as all the associated traffic attempting to make a left turn in particular out of that new development on the west side going northbound that we're really concerned that we're setting up a very dangerous situation for future homeowners um traffic studies I understand take a higher um density to take place however traffic studies just aren't about volume and number of homes they're also about speed they're also about sight and we are asking if the city in conjunction with the county in conjunction with the developer have studied this adequately to try to ensure the safety of those future occupants of those homes coming in and out of that neighborhood in a safe manner um we really are advocating for that to be studied more carefully and is this the optimal entry point to the neighborhood to to ensure as much safety as possible uh I have a lot of concerns that it's going to be very dangerous for people to make a left turn out of that development and I'm wondering if there's any consideration for any other site that might allow for more sight line particularly with that traffic coming from the north to allow safer access I don't know if that has been studied adequately um and so I'm asking the city in conjunction with the county and the developer to really give that some careful thought I know the volume of homes doesn't require a traffic study but I think we're all in agreement that we don't want there to be a setup for a dangerous situation coming in and out of that neighborhood um and that also goes for the construction traffic occurring during the building phase with heavy equipment and slow lumbering trucks people really fly coming south bound on Plymouth Road sometimes 45 to 50 miles an hour and that sight line coming over that hill and cresting is not going to leave much time at all for people to react on that side it's difficult enough as a resident on the other side to make a left turn I'm only envisioning how dangerous potentially that's going to be during the construction phase as well as for the occupants down the road so again I just want to reiterate we're not opposed to the devel we think it's a wonderful Builder the Lots look fantastic we think it's going to be a great use saving as many trees as possible we're just really concerned about the safety and I just really want to reiterate just how important we think it is to do some further study to make sure we're optimizing the safety for the access point to this new neighborhood and that is all I have thank you thank you is there anyone else who would like to comment good evening hi good morning evening my name is Don Cook my wife Betty and I live at 12829 Forest Meadow Drive our home is the one in the hundred your blood fleing um and just to clarify for council person Calbert I did have a conversation with Sarah schwier the storm water engineer and as we're talking I said I don't think you'd let me build this house now and she said probably not uh but she also said you know since the house was built in 77 and she said the rules have changed but that notwithstanding we still do get water running into our lot when we get heavy rains from that Wetland the only other thing I wanted to say was during this project and the prior one we've had extensive conversations in this case with Bria Reigns and also with Sarah schwager the water control engineer and those people couldn't have been more professional more thorough or more accommodating and answering all our questions I don't like the answer sometime but they were very professional and the city ought to be happy you got people like that working for you thank you very much for that Mr cook appreciate it is there anyone else all right well then I will bring it back to the council uh Council thoughts on this proposal and uh oh c b sha thank you mayor I've got lots of thoughts but I have just a quick question um not associated with traffic and one of my observations has been on the um on the North section of Plymouth Road north of of Cedar Lake Road where the speed limit changes um has there been any talk with the county about just making that cons a consistent 30 miles an hour from minaka Boulevard to brigdale uh Manchester council member sha mayor and Council you know we've talked to the county about a number of things I don't recall specifically talking to them about that over my time here but we could certainly have the conversation with them I don't I don't think that's something we couldn't talk to them about I don't know what they would say but happy to do that and report back thank you I I think just anecdotally I mean I think that speed limit change tends to speed people are already going 35 but then you see you've got five more miles to work with and you kind of naturally increase your speed and I wonder if that's something that that would help slow that down particularly in light of all of the bus stops along I mean I think the point is very well taken that um on my way to work certainly there I I you know you can take a nice 10-minute ride behind the bus while it stops um if you catch the timing just right other comments council member Wilburn I had another traffic related question um so I don't even know how to ask this so what would be the the procedure especially when dealing with the county road if we wanted to look at maybe putting in signals um how does that work uh council member Wilburn Council you know to put a traffic signal in generally there's a number of warrants that must be met you know I can tell you just from my knowledge you know an intersection like this wouldn't meet those warrants just because the cross volumes are too low and you have to get to get to be quite a bit of traffic even at a four-way stop it requires quite a bit of traffic on just a stop sign situation so um that's generally where you start it's it's a few different criteria but it's mostly based on volume and that type of thing other council member Foster Bolton um well this is more of a comment cuz I walked through there and um it's it's a great plan and you know I think it's you know that area is you know the houses are run down and it's it's a great plan and I like it but I think that like while we're talking about you know building5 $2 million homes I think it would be remiss of us not to remember our mission of making motanka a welcoming place and and it's imperative to revisit the mission to make our city affordable and while I wouldn't you know like I totally agree with all of this but I I just think it's n it's a good thing for the city council to remember that um the you know that there are challenges faced by many of the fellow residents and we don't I just don't want to lose sight of and just keep in mind that there are you know our mission is to to make minanga a welcoming place that's affordable um and and just to revisit that every time we we we approve of of this development and just to remember our mission to make this um welcoming and affordable place so I just wanted to make that point and formalize that point thanks thank you coun Shack thank you mayor I'll make my comments now um you know and I think council member Foster Bolton raises a good point you know I I feel a little conflicted when I see we had a different housing type and a little bit higher density that we couldn't make work because of a lot of the natural resources um conditions on the site but we you know I I kind of this is easier to approve right there's less pressure there's only five lots and and and all of that but it does drive us back up into that multi-million dollar price point certainly nothing that was going to be developed here was going to be affordable per se but you know we might have had some single level homes that could have come in for under a million dollars if we could have been you know if if we didn't have some of these constraints so I do think that something we have to keep in mind when we're looking about how looking at how we can um from a policy perspective make opportunities for different housing types and different um price points because otherwise we are going to be stuck kind of in that $2 million range which is lovely I mean you know I I it's it's an easy project to approve from that perspective I am very sensitive to well and I I want to um reiterate also and thank the cooks for their comments I've been following Along on their email chains to staff but haven't had to really weigh in because staff has been so good at responding and so I always appreciate knowing what's going on and especially when um it's easy for me because staff's been so professional in handling questions and concerns so that's really nice to hear um I think the water I think the water management is going to improve whether it makes people's problems go away I I do think it'll ease some pressure on some of the existing Pro problems with water management so that's definitely a positive the last thing I'll say is I know that there are neighbors immediate neighbors to this project that are very anxious to see it go forward because um of the conditions at the site right now and the conditions of the existing homes so I've been anxious and I know some folks in the area have been very anxious to see this go forward so I'm glad we're here at this point tonight the traffic I live on Plymouth Road my driveway is on Plymouth Road so I'm very very sensitive to the traffic and the speed and particularly as much as we all love the trail um when you are making your turns on to Plymouth Road now you really have four sight lines that you have to check and so speed and and some of sight lines are really important I I know it is a philosophy that lining up intersections on both sides the East and West is creates the fewest conflict so I'm fairly confident that the County's guidance on that is best practice um but I do think we really have to pay attention to speed and um pressures on Plymouth Road and maybe it's not this project where we have to take a deeper dive but as we continue to develop that may be something we to need to look at going forward but I thank everybody for their engagement many years of Engagement and um to the property owner for the patience and um I'm prepared to support this project today thank you coun sha council member mey yes I just wanted to well thank you council member sha for your comments and uh council member Foster Bol and I have the same concerns uh about some of the affordability issues that have been raised I kind of did a little bit of a dive on the numbers and basically um household income for these houses um as projected it would be 400 to 800,000 per year uh for households uh for affordability um and so again there's no variances required um you know we don't have any reason not to approve and it's a looks to be like a very nice project uh again I will Echo the other sentiments expressed here about uh going forward uh you know looking at what we can be doing to incentivize or create conditions uh for housing that is Affordable to a greater portion of minona residents thank you thank you Council M Wilburn and then council member Calver um yes so sort of echoing what my uh fellow council members have said you know I too am concerned about affordability uh the city is going to be taking a look look at our zoning later this year and I think zoning is going to be a a Hot Topic in the legislature legislature this uh session um so there's going to be a lot of zoning discussions but right now it is zoned as it is and we have the you know we have the rules in place and as uh council member R Lake uh stated there aren't any variances that are being asked for so there's really not a reason uh to to uh to not approve councilor Cal thank you mayor um I was around when the 10 unit development was uh proposed and there were a variety of challenges it wasn't just the tree ordinance but also as I recall kind of extreme grading of the um of the slopes and so I'm very happy that the natural features are largely being um preserved that it is meeting our tree ordinances and that is not to say that the grading that's going to occur in the tree loss that's going to happen won't be won't feel really dramatic um but uh it's more palatable um and you know I I mean I share everyone's concern about affordability here but the long and short of it is I mean even when we look at high density new construction um apartments are $1,500 affordable for two-bedroom apartments so is that affordable uh you know by some standard some standard it's it's not and so um you know affordability when we're talking about the difference between $2 million and $1 million homes I mean any kind of single family home that we'd put there or even duplexes would be well out of the range of what most people would consider affordable homes um in terms of uh you know 50 60 70 80% of Ami and in some cases even 120% of Ami um as new construction and so you know I think we have to put our thinking caps on I'm sure that we'll we will be talking to staff about incentivizing affordability um and really taking a look at some of our larger Lots we've had some really interesting proposals come that were close but no cigar um that had more density one in our very La one of our very last meetings was kind of compelling but had some suggestions about taking it down um closer to the single family homes just to give you know a better transition from medium density to uh R1 density so we we get really close sometimes and um but that we can't force developers to develop higher density you know when we're talking about what might be anywhere in the in the realm of affordable like condos or town homes or you know something like that that we you know that's not what's being proposed and I'm sure that these will be lovely homes and will you know fit into the general neighborhood I think all of the comments about traffic I don't live on Plymouth Road but I live on Baker Road and I live right by West Junior High so it's a very high traffic area I have West Junior High um driveway on one side of on the south side of my house uh just one door down and then an intersection of Orchard Road just to the north of me and so I'm very accustomed to you know people zooming in and out being in a hurry and so you know anything that we can do for traffic calming you know in in cooperation with the county I think um you know i' I've heard the residents talk about the school buses and I think that um we really have to make sure that we are prot protecting um school children um because even in the best of times when there's not construction traffic people do go around school buses and so I think we'll have to be extra vigilant somehow there but all in all um this meets our ordinances there's nothing to discuss here I'm sure they'll be lovely homes um and I just encourage the developer to continue to work with the um neighborhood to make sure that um everyone is on the same page that they're informed that they're uh understanding what's going to happen and if they have concerns that they're addressed to the best of the developers ability and so with that I uh I will be voting in favor tonight any other comments C kley all right um I've got a couple of comments um and and we're probably going to wrap up start with just a a question in terms of um you know Traffic Safety on on Plymouth Road um you know are there um I guess I'll direct this um in the direction of um Mr Manchester um you know are there I mean we know that the the sight lines on Plymouth Road are not ideal um it is it it doesn't have a lot of Curves but has a lot of up and down and the sight lines are not great um but um you know we um the request is for a traffic study but in your opinion if we said we're going to do a traffic study would we learn anything that we don't already know mayor we some in Council you know I based on what we've talked to the county about I don't think that we would learn a lot of new things and know the county reviewed this as part of their access request you know and I as part of an access request they do review this and take it quite seriously so one of the things they did require is to have the access aligned with Amy Lane so I talking with them that's why we're comfortable they have done you know a fairly extensive review on it and I I don't think it would reveal much more with five Lots you know certainly if it was a different type of development I I think we would maybe as Mr G Gordon mentioned I think it would be a different situation and and that's what I suspected the answer would be I mean I've been doing this long enough I've I've read through plenty of traffic studies and the the addition of five homes is inconsequential but I do think that the residents have made some comments that that should give us maybe a little pause in terms of not doing a traffic study but looking at ways that we can perhaps calm the traffic on Plymouth Road um you know um it's not just the number of houses now it because you know I mean the the legislature put in a uh a tax on deliveries because there's so many deliveries and plus the state wants the money um that's what you do with taxes um but but I I think that um you know the ball game has changed in terms of the amount of traffic each home generates in term when you start considering Amazon and FedEx and and ups and and all of those um trucks and and vehicles that we see on our highways so taking another look to me makes sense and then so I started thinking about the traffic calming devices we have because I anticipate um maybe not in my lifetime but I expect that Plymouth Road will look much different um 20 years from now or 50 years from now but I think that there are things that we might want to do between now and that time and I think about maybe the dynamic speed signs and things I think we have experience with those do work and they do slow traffic down been doing this long enough that I've listened to Mr Manchester talk about um lines on roads do affect how people drive even though people don't like to think well paint doesn't do anything yes it does and so you know I just like to throw out the challenge we're not this is not going to affect this project tonight but I think that the question of um what can we do to calm traffic on um some of our collector streets like that that we don't even control I mean they're County roads but I look at Baker Road I I look at Plymouth Road I'll tell you a personal story it's a little embarrassing but I live um I I live off of uh uh West McGinty Road and and Crosby Road and my wife may be mad at me for telling this story but uh one night she was she was driving home from I think whys that I'm going to take a left on on Plymouth Road and someone had been pulled over by a police officer and they were parked um a little west of uh McGinty um on Crosby Road and it caught her eye she just glanced for a moment and and then made a left turn onto Crosby Road well the sight lines there are not great that road curves and dips in the same place it's a challenging location and it's not a 90° um intersection well she turned right in front of a car and told her car the airbags went off she was not hurt she walked home she was very embarrassed that she made this mistake but those are the types of things that we're talking about on these collector roads it can happen to anybody so one I want to tell people and ask people and implore people please be diligent when you drive look twice look three times be extra careful but but I also don't speed but I also think that there are things that we can do to make our collector roads more more safer because the need is there there is a recent article talking about the increase in traffic deaths in the country just generally um and and the United States is different than other Western countries in that our death rates on our roads are much higher particularly after dark than they are in other countries and I think that has to do with Road design it has to do with traffic calming techniques and it has to do with enforcement and I think we we need to and it we need to take personal responsibility we all I mean have I ever broken the speed limit I'm going to fess up I have um you know we all have to take personal responsibility but I think there are things that we can do that can help make Plymouth Road and our collector streets more safe and we'll have to implore the county and emplore the state we're going to have to lobby but I think I think this is an important topic I don't think a traffic study in this neighborhood would tell us anything that would make us need to do anything different um but I do think that there are things that we could do differently to make these roads safer and that would recognize the more challenging circumstances that exist out there because of the way our LIF our lifestyles have changed so that so with that that's a that's that's my comment for what it's worth and but I just challenge staff um you know are there any things that we should be doing considering and and working with the county to get done to perhaps calm traffic on on these collector streets because I know that there is a fair amount of speeding that takes place and um and and we really I think it's an important need for the safety of our residents so as it comes to this proposal um I support this proposal um I don't think we're going to be getting too many more proposals like this where we have conforming Lots with with no variances requested um I mean it's to me I I want to congratulate the developer for um finding a way with the steep slopes that exist there and with the heavy treed nature of of this property to come up with a conforming um design I think that's a that's a significant um accomplishment and so I'm supportive I'm I'm very happy that we're looking at five lots and not 10 or or even eight um and I don't think that if we if we were comparing this five lot Proposal with an eight lot proposal we'd still be talking about affordability I don't don't think that approving a project like this does anything to diminish our commitment to affordable housing I mean um we are committed to affordable housing and our policies indicate that and we're going to continue to push for affordable housing but that doesn't mean you could put um land is just so expensive in motanka that you cannot get affordable housing in every and every parcel and every proposal so I think we have to take a balanced approach and um and I think um a proposal like this um facilitates um a balanced approach and it doesn't diminish our commitment to affordable housing so I too will support it and does anyone have any last comments i''d like to make otherwise I'll take a motion Council M Calbert just one more one more comment and then I will make the motion and that is there are a lot of Oaks and Oaks take a long time to grow so any Oak that you can preserve that's still alive make make make your best effort but I appreciate the tree preservation with that um I will make the motion um on the uh for the preliminary plat for Wood Haven at 2424 and 2440 Plymouth Road Sarah second council member Foster bolt I'll second all right we've got a motion by council member Calbert and a second by council member Foster Bolton um please call roll ra yes kley yes Foster Bolton yes Shaq yes Wilburn yes Calbert yes woron yes motion carries so that takes us to item 14b which is the 2024 assessment report and Miss putts I believe that you have that report yes thank you mayor and councel I'm happy to be here tonight to provide you a summary of our 2024 assessment report before I begin I would like to take a moment to recognize our assessing staff who worked toward the 2024 assessment and preparing this report Jim dah our commercial appraiser Amy Weber Amy mcamera and Aaron castner residential appraisers and Lori Goodman our assessment specialist the first slide starts with the total estimated market value for minat tanka in 2024 of $ 13.59 billion this is an increase of about 200 million from 2023 about a 1 in a half% increase overall this is 11 years of continuous growth in the 2024 total of 13.59 billion is a new highve for the city eclipsing last year's here we'll break down the overall value changes by the most common property types these overall growth numbers are what we refer to as gross percentage changes and they include all new construction in the totals first single household residential Market is up about 1 and a 12% While Lake Shore increased 3.8% Condominiums are down 3% while town houses were up 2% the apartment Market increased about 4.8% which includes the new construction apartments that you see throughout the city and Commercial properties were up about 4% while the industrial Market was up 3% here we'll take a look at the number of single Household Sales in motanka sales volume was down significantly over the last year from 445 sales last year to 348 sales this year this was um relatively low supply of homes available and listed on the open market and there was also the high interest rates over the last year that impacted this number of sales and the information we receive from these sales is what we use and analyze to establish our Market values every year this chart illustrates the inventory of single family homes by sale price and referring to the 348 sales on the last slide only 2% of sales sold for less than $300,000 in the last sales study about 28% sold between 300 and 450,000 and looking at the sales that took place for this assessment 31% sold for more than $700,000 this graph shows the 10-year history of the median home value for single household homes with the 2024 medium value increasing to 52,2 from last year of 4965 this shows us a positive sign that the residential Market remained stable over the last year here we see a three-year historical comparison with how our single household assessment Compares with the surrounding communities the residential increase in minetonka of 8% is right in the middle about of our comparable cities these numbers do reflect the net growth so they do not include new construction data so in other words the increase shows the movement of existing single household homes now we'll shift and take a look at apartments and commercial industrial Market this graph shows the overall or gross historical value changes including new construction commercial properties are shown in blue and apartments are in red as we see here the combined commercial industrial property shows 9% growth the total growth for apartments was 4.8% which again includes a new construction here we can see the separate sectors of the commercial industrial growth of the 0.9% we saw on the previous Slide the office Market was down 3.2% overall with many companies working on a hybrid or work from home model less office spaces needed than before the pandemic and many companies have reduced the amount of space they occupy resulting in an over supply of available area for lease and sublease this is not only for Minot tanka but throughout the Metro the industrial Market continues to increase with moderate growth as rents remain high and vacancies remain low and the retail Market was up 5.05% and continues to be a strong sector of our commercial Market here we see the net commercial change as compared to our surrounding suburbs the net change for minona of ne. 6% Falls slightly below the average of zero through the surrounding communities this can vary from year to year as each city is impacted differently depending on how their commercial value is composed so they could have more office supply more Hotel more retail and so on another important function of assessing staff is handling the tax Court appeals the most recent statistics available are for the 2022 assessment for taxes payable 2023 and as you see here we had 67 petitions that year totaling $1.5 billion in value in the calendar year 2023 staff closed out 99 cases compared with 68 cases in the previous year the number of closed cases can really fluctuate year to year depending on the tax Court calendar and our proactive approach to working with attorneys prior to the scheduling orders becoming due all right now we'll take a look at how the market value correlates with the tax capacity so looking at the two charts we see that residential property made up about 71% of the total value of our city however their tax burden is only 61% this is because they have a lower tax capacity rate compared to the commercial industrial properties similarly although the commercial industrial properties only make up 16% of the city's total market value their tax burden is 26% due to higher tax capacity rates set by state legislature the tax capacity by property class can change annually based on changes in the growth of different property classes and it is also affected by property tax l Law changes here we have a review of the appeal process which you may or may not be familiar with Once Property Owners receive their valuation and classification notice the first step is to contact City staff if they have any questions regarding their new estimated market value or anything else on their value notice the majority of property owners concerns can be resolved at this level however if the owner is not satisfied with the decision by staff they do have the option to appeal to the local Board of appeal and Equalization in motanka the local board is made up as the city council sitting as a local board and consists of two meetings the first meeting consists of reading into the minutes all taxpayers who wish to appeal their property value and the local board also approves any uncontested changes that require board action at this first meeting the second meeting or reconvene is when the local board will make its decisions on those values still being contested our local board looks to appointed real estate professionals to advise them in their decision-making process if the property owner is not satisfied by the local board they do have the option to appeal to the henpen County Board of appeal and Equalization however they must appeal at the local level in order to appeal at the county and lastly if the property owner is still not satisfied with the result of the County Board they do reserve the right to appeal in the Minnesota tax Court through April 30th the year taxes are due so the last date to appeal the 2024 value through Tax Court ends on April 30th 2025 this calendar highlights some important dates for our 2024 assessment an article recently appeared in the March man nanka memo to inform residents of the up upcoming value notices our value notices were sent to the post office today March 4th so they should be arriving in mailboxes later this week later next week on Friday March 15th the property tax information will be updated on hennipen County's website on March 25th the city council will appoint advisers to serve on the local Board of appeal and Equalization the deadline for applications to Pi on the agenda for the local board is Friday March 29th and we will hear any appeals received after that on a first come first serve basis the local Board of appeal and Equalization meets on April 8th and reconvenes on April 22nd April 30th 2024 is the final day to file a tax Court petition regarding the 2023 valuation and the hennipen County Board of appeal and Equalization meets on June 17th here's a quick glance at an example of our valuation notice generated by our staff this informs a property owner of their estimated market value and property classification of their property as of January 2nd 2024 this is the value that will be used to generate the property tax bill next year in 20125 and it also informs the property owner of the dates and methods of appeal I previously met mentioned here's an example of a prior year tax bill these are also to be mailed in March and come from hennipen County and they're based on the 2023 valuation and classification notice sent by us last March the only appeal in this case would be to the Minnesota tax court and lastly I want to wrap things up by highlighting a few legislative changes that impact our 2024 assessment first we saw an increase to the Homestead market value exclusion limits that have remained stagnant for many years previously the exclusion phased out for homes valued over 43,800 and now this limit has increased to 57,200 so many more residential homes will see a Homestead market value exclusion on their valuation notices this year next a few changes to tax capacity rates that will affect some minetonka property first classification 4d1 the lowincome rental classification has a new tax capacity rate of 0.25% previously the first $100,000 in value per unit had the tax capacity rate of 75% and the value over 100,000 per unit received the 0.25% so overall they will see a lower tax rate there and then 4d2 was established for owner occupied housing on land owned by municipal or nonprofit Community Land trusts the new tax capacity rate is 75% for this property type previously these properties were taxed as residential with the first $500,000 in value having a tax capacity rate of 1% and value over 500,000 with tax capacity rate at 1.25% so also seeing a lower tax rate there and here's the contact information for our assessing staff regarding property evaluations or assessment questions all inquiries will be directed to the appropriate staff member responsible for that particular area or Market sector and thank you for your time I'll turn it back to you for any questions thanks mayor thank you Miss puttz um council do you have questions regarding the assessment report councilor C uh thank you mayor I I don't know if you can answer this question but I I've been really curious about out of all of the housing categories Condominiums lost value and is it just because it's an aging housing product because I know we haven't been able to build Condos for a while so is that the reason thank you mayor council member Cal sorry um it is hard to say we do value condos and town homes by neighborhood so we look at all the sales that are happening in those specific complexes overall this year we did see slight decreases a lot of our housing stock in those areas is older um so that could definitely have a be a factor into it thank you any other questions I I I have one or go councilor Ry go ahead thank you thank you mayor I just wanted to commend the staff for preparing this report I found that it was accessible and uh you know well prepared for Lay people to uh understand so uh just kudos to the staff for for preparing this so thank you thank you and I do have a question if I may um just curious um you know the assessing staff a couple years ago or a year ago was extremely busy because of the dramatic change in um in assessment and I'm just curious as to how your workloads been this year given the fact that things have really calmed down has has that has the amount of calls or is that TBD because the the reports are coming out what's your what's the the status based on what you know yes thank you mayor um what you're referring to two years ago we had um historically high call volume due to the percent increase in the residential Market being about 16% I believe that year last year we saw more more moderate increase around the 4 to 5% range and we did see a a lot lower call volume due to that so this year with our low increase and fairly flat residential Market um I would expect not a terrible year for calls but it will be seen very shortly very good well well thank you yeah I know that I we'll all be watching our mailboxes now looking for those valuation reports we have to accept this right do we vote move and accept it is there any any last comments or a motion Council M Calbert um I do have a comment so first of all yes thank you to staff it was it was a very easy to understand and also full of information kind of report and um this is just a general comment it's it's not necessarily to staff it's might be to us uh here on the disc and to staff but um I feel like with commercial properties um I think I think we're in a new normal that will not not feel normal for a long time and it's going to continue to change and not in a way that uses the prop the properties in a commercial manner uh that we are accustomed to and I feel like most municipalities need to start thinking I almost should I mentioned to uh Miss Damen earlier today I almost feel like we need a futurist I feel like the league of Minnesota cities the national league of cities this is a national problem downtowns um you know don't have that critical mass of workers that are working in their workplaces anymore and so um you know we manag to keep our commercial Market relatively flat it's not taking a deep dive right now but I do think this is going to require more Focus uh from every community and um so I'm hoping that we can actually start um learning more about uh ideas to uh even out that tax capacity for residents um because once commercial loses tax capacity it does that that burden does get passed on to Residents and so I just want to start thinking about that and I hope we can have some intentional discussions or workshops or learning sessions somewhere at some point maybe not just here in minaka but in general anything else or or a second or go ahead uh thank you mayor uh yeah definitely I I certainly concur with what council member Calbert said but one thing I just wanted to add as a final uh thought as I was looking over my notes is just uh to remind all of us um as residents uh as you're looking over that tax bill um that estimated market value um of course you know we all have every right to ask for a staff review but I also just wanted to for those of us who don't have or those who don't have the time to read um the the report Court uh that again commending staff is the very high accuracy uh rates that Minot Tonka has in terms of its assessment um this isn't just done willy-nilly in case every you know like oh we like you we don't like no no you know it's first a a a kind of a desk review um where they use computer programming and kind of very set standards that are you know professional ethics that are and procedures that are very set um and then there physical inspections uh ongoing but every uh house in minona is physically inspected once every five years or I believe after any major improvements or things like that and so uh there are benchmarks and then com compared to benchmarks and compared to our Pure cities minaka uh the accuracy of of our assessments is very very high so another kudos to staff and just something to keep in mind when you're looking at your estimated market value and that coming in something that I wasn't necessarily aware of and that um I I very much appreciate thank you thank you councilor and uh councilor Shack thank you mayor I'll make the second all right that sounds good we've got a motion a second I've got I'm going to throw in a little comment too just because um um you know one if you if you have any concerns about your assessment contact our staff um they um the information is here the phone number is here the email is here they have one objective and that is to make your assessment accurate um they're they're not a profit Center they are here to make sure that we get it right and if you don't feel it's right then contact them and they will be very helpful and and as councilor member R said you know we have an excellent record of um um of accuracy and excellence in in assessing and I'm proud of that the other thing is that all homes are physically inspected every 5 years except if you refuse to allow somebody to come into your home and to inspect it and that does happen and um that's your legal right you do not have to allow somebody into your home but if they don't get a chance to look at it the likelihood of your assessment being accurate goes down they'll do the best they can with the information they have but they're not here to um uh get uh in information on how whether whether your kitchen's clean or dirty or or um what you have in your house they're there to understand the value of your house so they can have their assessment be accurate so I just want to encourage you to be collaborative and Cooperative with our assessing staff they are top-notch professionals and they want to get it right so with that my that's my last word um we've got a motion in a second um Miss Faulk please call roll ra yes cley yes Foster Bolton yes sha yes wurn yes Calbert yes weome yes motion carries next item is appointments and reappointments we have none of those tonight and the final item is um adjournment is there a motion to adjourn council member Wilburn I move adjournment is there a second I'll second mayor okay we have a motion by Council M wurn and a second by Council M Calbert all in favor say I I we are adjourned I wouldn't be surprised if some from planet commission up it or something like [Music] that [Music]