I'll call the Roseville Economic Development agency authority to order and it's Monday July 15th 6 PM uh P would you call up rooll please here M schroer here St here vice president gra here president row R is abson but he let us know he could not make it tonight so um call cross my things off the list as I go aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all next we do the approval of the agenda does anyone have any additions or Corrections or changes anything from the council oh no I have a motion to approve the agenda so moved second mve by member RS second by all those in favor say I iOS carries we're going to defer public comment to just before our city council meeting that's okay with everybody and we'll move to the business items the first item on the agenda is the cons consider a resolution authorizing Amendment and restated collateral assignment of the tax increment financing notes for Roseville East housing Associates that is our Genie Kelsey and I should know Community Development housing and economic development program manager it's so M also thank you vice president graph board members for your consideration as the last meeting you had you did pass um an authorize an amendment to the development agreement reducing the Tiff on the Oasis and also on the Harbor Harbor at that time had all of its other documents available for your authorization which was new collateral assignment of the Tiff note um and at this point they're ask now concentrating on the Oasis so that we can close that development out so in the packet for your consideration there is a new uh collateral assignment for the Tiff notes by the way this de development has two Tiff notes because one is taxable and the other one is tax exempt so upon your um if there's any other questions in the packet is for your authorization the resolution authorizing that collateral assignment and we have gone over this at the last meeting so this is the final step in this does anyone have any comments or thoughts on this this is pretty straightforward and it has to be done in order to close out the the new Tiff so do we have to do both at um separate or can we do them together this one you can do it together because it's one development the last one had the two I'd move to approve both motion moov byc M or member schroer second second by member St any further discussion all those in favor say I so the next item is discuss proposals for a comprehensive housing needs assessment and I think we will have yeah thank you member grath members of the board jeie was pretty active in obviously working with these Consultants so I want want to make sure we were both available to answer any questions um this request is to proceed towards the next step of completing that housing needs assessment we've talked about um it was last brought before the Eda in May um the last actual needs assessment was completed in October of 2018 um the Eda and formerly the HRA has historically completed these assessments approximately every five years um and these assessments have been used by developers planning Commissioners City Council Members board members in um informing decisions related to land use and Public Finance assistance in the past in may we uh appeared before you wanting to know if you would be interested in broadening the um housing needs assessment we wanted to examine some of the homelessness impacts within our community and any other sort of factors that may impact housing and the Eda agreed and so we have met with Rous Consultants um to try and understand what types of information could be gathered beyond the traditional needs assessment which is a heavily demographic exercise um when we were last before you in may we thought based on our initial meetings with those Consultants that we would have to pair two Consultants together because we were struggling to find one who could accomplish everything that we were looking for um but since then uh with the help of jeie of course she led the way um stantech we discovered was engaging in a similar study in other communities I know they've completed one in Shore viiew New Brighton vanness Heights I think as well um and their Studies have found the right balance between that traditional needs assessment while trying to also understand the impact to a community related to homelessness or any other sort of Social Service needs that relate to housing um as I mentioned they've worked with other communities in the area and we've um reached out to them and heard nothing but posit POS feedback about the studies and specifically the process that they are utilizing to gain that information their relationships with City council's Eda members and the public as well as such we would um like you to direct us to work with stch on that assessment they put together a proposal it is in your packet along with proposals from all the other Consultants we looked at and if we could have the overhead camera I did attempt to um summarize the results of those proposals in a table um as I mentioned back in may we weren't really sure what we were looking for when we came to you in May and starting meeting with Consultants we we knew we wanted to look at something beyond the traditional needs assessment and I only bring that up again because we didn't draft an RFP because we weren't really certain what all information could be looked at and I apologize it's blurry it's in your package it's the exact same thing that's in your packet um you'll note within that table some of the things that we looked at was the um proposer ability to conduct that traditional assessment their ability to look at some of the other qualitative items related to housing need within a community the strategies for implementation um with both the traditional and the non-traditional needs we did look at whether or not they had local experience and then were applicable cost we didn't get cost from all of the Consultants just because they didn't all come up with the information that we were looking for but if they did we we did ask for a cost you'll note we um did consider partnering Consultants specifically Maxfield and Wilder but you'll see if we did that it would have been a much more expensive study it probably would have been more data as well but maybe not necessarily data that was really useful from for housing strategy so um I also want to note Carrie and Molly are in the audience with PD our housing Navigator and social worker they've been really great to attend these meetings with us to sort of ask questions about the data that they'd be looking at they'll probably be interviewed as part of these studies as well as connecting the consultant with other people within the community or working within the community that could provide valuable information so so I really just want to note they've been actively involved in this process as well um you'll note The stantech Proposal is $57,500 I did note in the report that since the last housing needs assessment was completed the Eda has collected about $30,000 in Levy money that we have not spent so we would like to obviously spend that money and then some additional Eda general fund balance to cover the study so we're not proposing to Levy any additional dollars to complete the work so if you agree with this analysis we would bring back a Professional Services agreement for you in September um we could also bring in stantech staff to sort of talk with you and explain the proposal if you'd like us to do that um if you'll if you agree to go along with them you'll note that they've um laid out a process that would actively involve you along the way so you wouldn't just authorize the proposal and then receive the report so there would be plenty of back and forth time along the way um again jeie helped talk with these Consultants gather them together looked at the proposals so I think the two of us could collectively answer any questions you might have as well as of course Carrie and Molly in the audience thank you Council have questions comments M strong thank you um so have we used than in the past for other Consulting projects s yes engineering uses them currently for several other items right so we've had good experience with them as an organization as well so I was just curious um in Wilder's proposal was much longer time frame that they were planning on expanding this out I think it was almost 18 months over versus five months do you think that would produce the quality and like I said quantity of work that we could wrap our heads around and utilize as well in the situation I'll start with that and gie you can add so Wilder's proposal was very vast and was looking at a lot of different things they the way they put it together it was kind of all aart so we wouldn't necessarily have had to have done all of it so presumably if you wish to work with them we could Whittle down that list or figure out what's important to you to shorten the time frame if you wanted to work with them but I am not concerned about the stch proposals time frame given the information that they're going to be examining and again Wilder put together a great proposal I know PD was interested in it as well just because it was so vast Our concern there was that might be really great information but what are we going to do with it in terms of a housing need or a strategy development perspective so um that's why we are opting to not recommend that proposal to you and then um who the last time we had the study was done six years ago do you know who we utilized in approxim and what was the approximate cost at that time 177,000 so much different scope of work thank you Mr schroer um yes uh just a couple of questions do we have an estimate on how many um unhoused people we have at Roseville the homeless just kind an idea of just the size of it I I do not know we would have to def come on up have a seat um currently on my Cas load I have about 25 people that I'm working with a lot of them are um prevention though also um so I can say that's usually my average is 25 and clients come and go and um but a lot of people at Motel 6 are clients of mine okay yeah I was just trying to get an idea of the it in a way as we're going into these proposals it's it's interesting to see where we at and then when we go through these proposals because my next question is going to be on because they have suggestions to help and then it's always an interesting thing to see where we're at and then once we do this which way are we going with with this is is it what we're doing helping or do we need to do something more so thank you that's absolutely idea where we're starting thank you and then the other question I had and maybe this might have something to do is um stantek talked about that they have made suggestions to other cities on homeless needs and what to do do we have an idea of what those suggestions were we would have had to look at each City that they did that for because one um case that they gave us which was an extensive study was for a whole County um uh towards the east and they of course have different programming right and availability of sources so that would have been what they would have done at that point I think the one thing that I found very interesting that we've never gotten from a market study in is that stantech also looks at the overburden meaning income overburdened how many people in our community are over in you know income burdened on the fact that they're paying over rent and that their incomes are not up to that point so then we really find out what is that Target of that income that's needed the other thing is they do that also for affordable housing like what is the burden of the people who live in Roseville to be able able to even afford a house in Roseville and what is that number so they really look at an extensive amount which I was overly impressed I've never seen that in any other Market study company and the ones that you saw that we did did reach out to um do a lot for the um the state of Minnesota has anybody who comes in for housing tax credits is requireed to do a market study most of these people are all on that list but yet all they do is do the number how many affordable units how many housing units and they don't look at that full breath of information that is really needed to really understand our community well exactly my um what I'm thinking about is not only are people that are homeless now but and you've touched on is it's always better to try to prevent than to correct and so it so obviously then their suggestions or the way they're going to look at this is going to be that broad breath so then we can make sure and and you know that's if you can stop the flow of that happening that that's as just as important as helping people that are already there so anyways good thank you that's what all I have thank you am Bron I would agree with those comments and the um positive goals of the proposal that we have before us um one of the things that I appreciate miss gunlock you talked about how the Wilder thing would get us into things maybe we can't control and I think all of this is right on that borderline certainly we have a couple of excellent people in our staff but we don't have um the resources or the Mandate from the state um to really handle the big picture here um as much and so I appreciated they mentioned partners and I know that our folks here are working all the time with Partners so I appreciate that work uh I would think that if they've done a study with shv and New Brighton they're going to know the partners that should shorten that that that part the answer should be pretty much exactly the same um if not exactly the same so then that's good thinking about their list of who they were going to talk to for their homelessness analysis I think that we need to make sure and folks may may already work with them but uh Mary Sue Hansen at the Suburban Ramsey family collaborative is super important for understanding uh they are so tied into our school districts um and the families that are part of that as well as other needs in our community um and I to that point it talks about talking the Rosa schools but the mountain schools also serves our city making sure that's a specifically noted partner in this um inventory that we do and then I hope that um at some level we're looking at how we share this with Ramsey County Public Health and that we are maybe working with these other Suburban communities who've taken the time to do this more uh this broader formal study and saying how can we work together to push some more buttons um at Ramsey County who does have the Mandate um to to be the lead partner really in a lot of this so that that would be my my U thoughts appreciate all the works thank you I just want I concur um BR and I was thinking the same thing that you know what are how do we tie in with this information with the county um you know not only and what um the process is and going there but we we overlap in so many ways and where where does that line fall and I I'm sure that there'll be people in the community who question whether what are our what is our responsibility and so I think it's good to know maybe after a study but what our goals are as a city are we going for 100% housed are we like what are we hoping to achieve and I hope that we have an idea when we go into study of what maybe our our goal is what are we hoping obviously 100% housed would be wonderful but it's not likely to happen so what what's a reasonable outcome you know what's a reasonable expectations so I don't know if that's something that we need to talk about in advance but I was just thinking about that and then how we overlap with the county and where is the expectation where do we end and the county takes over and so I don't know I I'm very much in support of the study and I think it sounds like a great combination of ideas but I think I would love to know what our ultimate goal is like and maybe like I said we maybe will'll learn what the goal is once we've completed the study but it might help us in creating that I think the biggest thing again with stantech is guess what you get to guide it you you're you're going to be intake for the very beginning and so I'm happy to say that again I've never seen a market study do that where they are really doing focus groups and they asked us to identify who that focus group would be and we said of course you because you are the board you're involved you're elected officials so you're really the ones to also help guide where you want this to go and ultimately what do you want out of it I think for me um the study would be to establish the goal because I think without the study we don't have the data and the uh information so that's how I would look at that part of it the other part I did have a couple things that I noted in my notes here that I that really stuck out to me and one of them was that it's specific to Roseville now I agree with member Aton that of course it'll be very similar to New Brighton and sheview but I think we can overlap and maybe would be even nice to be able to coordinate some things but we could also rightsize the programming that we have to reflect this because right now we're kind of trying to guess at things and we don't have the data to do that and so I would look look at a way to retailor our program so that they work with this study obviously so that would be more effective do you have a mind Amber no I agree with everything you just said you hand definitely not I did like the market context map too the highlighting you know there were some really good things in here from my perspective and we have worked with stantic before we I felt comfortable that as the study yes I just have the additional question is that our goal do we need to have conversation before we would bring stantech in to talk as a as a board what our goals are before we want to meet with them what are thoughts on that I don't I don't know what we don't know so that's the hard part about it and brand I I think I would start with what's in their proposal and are we comfortable with with that and from there I would agree with uh vice president gra um I gotta throw that in there for you um that that we're gonna that we're going to get information and then we need to start talking to Partners and where where is our role going to be what where our focus is going to be what do we say city of Rosell can do this this and this city of Rosell with Partners can do these other five whatever um that we will take at least action steps um from that and we can also ask those partner and mean we have more information to go to them and say hey this is what we need yeah you know so it gives us some strength there in my opinion as a start would you like us to bring stantech back when we bring the Professional Services agreement back assuming that's where you want to go so you can get at least their idea of how to answer some of these questions and then how it will unfold throughout the process sure okay that would be good okay before we sign a contract did you need anything else from us tonight or just understanding that this is what you want us to pursue do you need a motion um ask us to direct you I don't think we need a motion I think your direction is pretty clear we'll bring the Professional Services agreement back at the next meeting with stantech and an opportunity for you to ask them more directed questions and then that would need a motion at that point and then at that point we'd need a motion on the Professional Services agreement if you wanted to proceed that make sense everybody good thanks very much and the last one is discussion regarding the budget and preliminary lbby 202 we have it's G loock here to present again thank you board members um every year the Eva is obviously tasked with preparing a preliminary budget and Levy for consideration of the by the city council sometime in September um for 2025 we have put together a proposed preliminary budget of $461,500 has decreased by $1,504 however the levy proposed at this point is a little bit higher from 2024 by $1,621 um the details making up this budget and Levy request are as follows I just want to highlight a couple of points the most significant one is the loss of the $3,125 of charitable pledge Revenue that Northwestern College had been paying um there is about $6,000 of added cost for salaries and benefits the Eda does fund 1.5 FTE we've reduced the energy efficient program funding by $1,000 this is the fund that um supports energy audits although we think that is still enough money to continue to fund energy audits at about the pace we've been building back up to since Co um we have reduced our Economic Development Consulting budget by an additional $10,000 we've eliminated the $2,000 of funding for the business education series um this is something the chambers have been putting on um once Co hit they went virtual reduce them and now I don't think they've held one in quite a while so and even when they were holding them we weren't having a lot of businesses attend those but this money was paying for that business to attend those educational events and then we've um eliminated $2,000 of educating and Education and Training funds for staff and $1,000 of educating and training funds funding for board members um I also wanted to make note of a couple of Eda budget items that don't necessarily affect the budget but are important to keep in mind when we talk about this Levy amount um funding for the rice and larpenter Alliance is through the Eda and we've kept that funding level flat at $40,000 um and we are not budgeting any additional funds for a variety of different programs that the Eda supports including the Revol including the revolving Loan Fund um you may remember a couple years ago we revamped a lot of our programs we reduced the interest rate on the regular revolving loan we have the senior deferred the emergency program and then the um first generation down payment assistance um back in 2023 you authorize the transfer of 200,000 of General uh fund dollars to this fund to keep it um replenished so we don't need to budget any additional Levy dollars for that um we are also not proposing any additional money for the small business loan fund this is something that started I think in 2020 or 2021 there's still enough funding in that account to cover at least four loans assuming they take out the full loan amount but it could be as many as five um and we have actually taken on two of those in the last year and then we also are not proposing any additional funding for the housing replacement fund this is the fund that we've targeted for our land trust program we've been able to to run that program namely with grant funding that Genie has been very aggressive and going after so I want to note no additional Levy dollars for that is as well um I did prepare a budget comparison it's in your packet for years 2022 through 2024 it includes budget actuals within the packet materials we also received a question over the weekend and so we provided you some information about what the eda's general uh fund balance was at the end of the year for the last few years years as well as its current cash balance um we've also created a graph to sort of illustrate what's been going on with the Eda Levy since the Eda was created in 2017 obviously prior to that it was the H um it's consistently been going down since 2019 um this would be the first year at the preliminary stage we're proposing an increase um so at this time we're really just presenting the preliminary budget and Levy looking for feedback from you um at some point before September you will have to adopt a resolution making a recommendation on the preliminary budget and Levy to the city council but for now I can answer any questions you might have on what we've put together am Bron uh first I'd like to say that I appreciate all of the detail going back several years and I appreciated the additional stuff we we got over the weekend here or on today um I think that um we've talked about this with some other budgets the Eda has the most transparent budget potentially of any uh any of our budgets and maybe partially because it's smaller and partially because it came out of the HRA the whole process for showing the budget was really really different um and I I appreciate the ease that that we are able to look at this uh I think that's not regrettably but it certainly makes it easier though for us to say well how about we take another 10,000 out of that program that hasn't used anywhere you know one quarter of what we're still going budget for so for me I when I look at this budget I uh and the proposed uh numbers I think we could get to a zero Levy pretty easily and for me that would be that would be a goal um I think we could actually go down again but certainly a zero Levy um is is possible without affecting any of the programs and leaving squish room in there for some program to grow at Double the the rate it's been growing for example so um that that would be my thing and again I appreciate uh the way this is showing our uh budgets and our actuals going back many years that's very helpful Sher yes thank you I agree this is one of the um I really really like having this budget the way it's laid out with the um multiple years and the budget and the actual that's that's really nice and it's true it's easier to then look at the detail um and then again I also appreciate you sending out the uh the fund balance which the fund balances have been typically anything left over over the years and it shows what we have available as as um um Reserve you I I agree because there's a couple of funds you know when you talked about the um the consultant on call you went down 10,000 but I don't think we've actually used more than like 5,000 in those last few years so I think we just a little room in there and then there's room in in on another too and I agree with u metton that I think we could do a zero um Levy because and part of that is also based on the uh fund balance typically you want to have enough in your fund balance to cover um I think it's 35% and right now we have over 100% in the fund and um and which also then tells me we have a plenty room to take money for the stanch study out of there and so since 35% would be closer to 132,000 and we're at 407 um I think we do have room to be comfortable with the zero Levy so so I would agree with that strong nothing I think I would agree with the comments that were made um and I think it gives us an opportunity with this dant study to as I said review some of these things and see how we can adjust and make that work better with the data we get out of the study I know that won't happen overnight but so this is kind of just for this year and then we can see what happens after we have that study and Andress it next year but I would agree that the levy I I think we could probably get it to neutral do you have any concerns your feedback is not unexpected such a nice so I um I know where to go and we can be back far anything else from anyone no thank you thank you thank you y I believe that's the last item on our Ed agenda correct and so if we just take a pause here while we should we move to adjourn this meeting a motion to adjourn second second is there any discussion all those in favor say I opposed that is Carri so we will reconfigure a tiny bit so we will to order the city council meeting for July 15th and we have had the Roll Call so we will skip that and let that stand as is we've done the Pledge of Allegiance look at the agendas Are any are there any changes to the agenda from from coun from the staff no there's not are there any from the council he's tort you no I was remiss in not me not introducing we have Pat TR at the on my left on the at the table he's the city manager and we have fter on my right she's the City attorney all right well then let's um have a motion on the agenda to approve the agenda so move second all those in favor say I iOS carries now we will have public comment because we skipped that in the so is there anyone from the public who would like to speak to the council we have a three minute minimum maximum let's make it a minimum for the public ready go you have a PowerPoint ready thank you thank you well no one's coming forward so we'll pass that over recognitions and donations do we have anything in that Mr Tre no we do not okay mayor we have no items removed from this so we will move to business items which is number a or receive organizational Equity update and that will be our directorz director manager thank you that little I was a little tight sorry about that my weekend of soccer sitting in chairs all day we sitting in chairs sitting in chairs no I was not clarify that put that on the record not playing um should left that where we were thinking you were playing didn't if you would have invited me to play and I wasn't good we could pull a muscle together that's pressure I one my parents said they ran the 40 yard dash and they that's a bad idea yeah about 20 yards and pulled their quad muscles on olypic wannabes what' you say Olympic wannab bees yeah takes me a while to get stretched and warmed up to do that type of activity so hey folks how y'all doing today good awesome it's good to be here I'm excited to talk about some really important work that's happening across the organization um so I'm Antonio montz I should probably start there I'm the equity and inclusion manager here at the City of Roseville I'm almost coming up on three months so uh super excited about that and uh like I said here to give you an update on what we've been up to a little bit some of our planning stuff that we've been doing and some of the really good work that's happening across the the organization so I'm going to just jump in if that's cool with y'all perfect I didn't come with a relationship Builder I know how much Rachel loves those so I could put one out there if you'd like Rachel but especially when she's go back to the anonymous but on our agenda today we have uh I'd like to talk with you all about our longrange plan around equity and inclusion uh for 2024 20125 uh I'd like my partners that are leading our departments to come up and talk about some of their work that they've been doing and then end with some questions and answers does that work okay for y'all yes excellent so I'm going to pop up an image and I just wanted to ask you maybe this is our relationship Builder this is it here you go uh I'd love to hear from folks if you are familiar with the image that's on your screen right now if not that's okay no all right so this is the sanova bird sanova bird it's an image that is used widely by the aan tribe in Ghana and it's often depicted as a bird flying forward with its head facing backwards reaching for for that little circle thing that's an egg that kind of represents knowledge and wisdom and it's really about that knowledge and wisdom from the past and saying Kofa translates to S is to return Co is to go and then f is to seek right so many people believe that this image is a representation of the idea that future Generations will benefit from the knowledge and wisdom of those that came before them right and so as we think about our work around equity and inclusion and we continue on this journey I think it's really important that we continue to think about the value of celebrating and learning from our past as we move forward in this really important work so as we move into this conversation I want you to think about the St Kofa bird and how we're moving forward but also celebrating our past and learning from the the the journey that we've been on and in that I'd like to talk a little bit about what we've done and where we've been along our equity inclusion Journey so the human rights inclusion and engagement commission you all have been really closely connected to that work you've heard lots of updates from from from that work and and the evolution of that Community table and we've celebrated their work and the important things that that commission has done in partnership with us and it was really important as we started kind of this equity and inclusion Journey that we've been on you all know better than I do um but it's a part of our past and what we've done the government Alliance of racial equity uh so that's the gear group I think that happened in like 2018 2019 Pat does that sound about right yeah 2018 2019 and uh it was a program of learning it was a program of planning and I think it really brought the organization to a place where we could start to talk about racial equity and talk about inclusion and really set us along the journey and the path around what does that mean as a government agency what's our opportunity and what's our responsibility to do that kind of work as we deliver services to our community and our residents I think numbers three four and five kind of happened around the same time they might be out of out of sync here chronically but um there was some intentionality uh to hire my predecessor Thomas Brooks who did a lot of really good work as the first equity and inclusion manager here at the City of Roseville to set some foundational pieces in place to give us an organizational Direction on what does it mean to do equity and inclusion work here at the city around the same time there was a part parip with culture brokers who helped us with some of the Strategic racial Equity action plan and the development of that and then some staff data which really looked at our Workforce data and as a part of our s re right and I think that that's really important work for us to acknowledge and celebrate because I think it's an intentional step in naming that we're committed to this work right we've made an investment in resources from staff and from Finance to say hey we're going to prioritize equity and inclusion right so it's a celebration I think that we need to do there 2023 uh City of Roseville participated in the racial Equity dividends report which was pulled together by the center for economic inclusion and I think what that report did was took a moment in time look at uh what is the infrastructure around racial equity and inclusion and planning uh of this organization as well as many others across our state and took a look at and said how are you doing compared to your peers both from an infrastructure but also from a um progress standpoint how are you kind of ranking towards your peers um and it also identified opportunities for us to say hey you've got some chances and or some opportunities to do these things on your Equity inclusion Journey that maybe other folks have done as well so that report came through in around 2023 and then of course you all know I joined in uh 2024 March of 2024 uh and the position sat a vacant for a little bit before I got here but my whole plan of the first 90 days here is really about building relation ship and spending time with leaders and learning about their work uh so that we can be in a true partnership and that it's not just Antonio coming in and being the equity and inclusion guy it's Antonio coming in to be a partner in our work as we do serve the residents of Roseville so that's a little bit about where we've been and you all can stop me at any point if you have questions um otherwise I'll just keep going that work all right so we've been there where do we want to go so when I think about this work it's it's not always linear it's kind of all over the place all the time but when I think about what success looks like to me I think about an organizational wide equity and inclusion strategy that advances the community aspirations and the Strategic racial Equity action plan that's embedded in the Strategic plan right so that's a lot uh and I acknowledge that but I think it's it's all that work is happening already so how do we make equity and inclusion a part of that when we're thinking about decisions when we're think about programming we're thinking about planning how are we making sure that Equity inclusion is happening all the time and not just when Antonio walks in the room right or that it's happening over there like oh the equity and inclusion work is over there while we're going to do these things over here right equity and inclusion to me has to be a part of that core work that we do so you'll see as we continue our conversation that I really see this work equity and inclusion as our community aspirational work right so we'll talk about what that looks like in a second here so I really wanted to be embedded in our foundation in the work that we really guide our organization and the decisions that we make in the next five 10 to 15 years so and I think that's really important because as we know our our community continues to change and our needs change and how we support and deliver our community aspirations has to go along with that right and equity and inclusion is a really important part of that so when we think about making decisions we think about programs and apies and strategies and initiatives I want equity and inclusion to be at the center of all that so how do we do this work [Music] um I shared this before I think a lot of folks like uh in our communities for things to be linear and straightforward right like I buy a desk and it gives me a stepbystep guide on how to build the desk and then the desk is complete and I can use it right and unfortunately uh equity and inclusion work is not linear and it's not straightforward and it's kind of like this all the time right and um and this model is how we'll frame doing this work as we go forward uh most folks if you look at the wheel here want to jump right to action right because that's just how our brains function right it's like oh we have a problem let's go solve it let's go do it and we fix the problem right and that's great and and it gives us something to say we did this this year uh but I think what we miss when we skip the other steps around building relationship and building trust and building partnership is is that we're always in this mode of going right to action to fix something without this holistic view on how these other pieces may be interconnected right so you fix one thing and and you improve or Advance equity and inclusion uh but without the other pieces at play are we unintentionally causing us to make and take action in another place that maybe we could have thought more holistically about had we been in relationship and had we built trust and had we built partnership along the way right so as we think about this my role I think is to really help us stay in relationship help us build trust help us build partnership so that we can raise awareness around what it means to do equity and inclusion work so that then we can create action around what it means to do equity and inclusion work and then we can most importantly to me be accountable to that work right and and really do it in an intentional way so I see that as one of my primary roles is how are we doing those things to support the work that our community aspirations have laid out for us in an equitable and an inclusive way so so the long range plan I'm just pop all these up because it's just easier for me if that's all right so the long range plan is what's really going to guide our work uh as we think about equity and inclusion and this is going to help us be successful because like we talked about oftentimes we go right to action and respond to whatever the biggest thing is of that moment and this is going to help us stay focused on what is it mean to um do that work intentionally and strategically together so you'll see here equity and inclusion commission I'm going to talk about these more in the next few slides I just want to make a quick note I did not include a slide for that because you all have uh talked about that quite a bit you've heard about that you've heard our most recent update but if you have any questions I'm happy to answer those as we uh move through this this presentation on that note um I would love to share with y'all that we're accepting applications for the equity and inclusion commission it's it's open it's live folks can apply so if you know folks in the community that you think would be great fits and great Partners on that particular commission please let me know I'd love to invite them out for a coffee talk a little bit about some of our work and why I think there's a great opportunity to do some really important work for the city so if you know of anyone you let me know um so I'm just going to jump into the next slide because that talks about our equity and inclusion leadership team uh and that looks like this so I'm really excited about this y'all so uh I have gotten support from our leadership team to come together monthly to spend some time talking about equity and inclusion now we meet regularly as a leadership team uh that happens all the time and we handle our conversations really well and I really felt it was important for us as as well as the leadership team agreed that we spend some time intentionally being in partnership with each other to talk about equity and inclusion so we had our first meeting last month we have our next meeting this week which I'm super excited about and it's just that time to be purposeful and intentional it's a space to learn and grow and challenge ourselves uh we can practice building language and empowering our leaders to really be intentional about making decisions while they Center equity and inclusion I think it's also about exploring our own understanding right we have lifetimes of experiences that have shaped the way that we view the world and the way that we make decisions and that's oftentimes plain kind of in the background when I make a decision is what I've experienced in the past and we don't always explore what that means and how it impacts the way that we do our work and and this is a space where we're going to unpack some of that stuff and we're going to challenge each other um and of course we're going to build a relationship right so um so I think that's really important and it's important sign to show investment from our leadership team that this matters to come together with this specific purpose not like on the end of a department head meeting so I'm really excited about the equity and inclusion leadership team the equity inclusion action team is super similar to the leadership team um but I really see this as an initiative to build capacity across our organization because it'll include it will include uh members of our team that are across every department at all levels so it's not just the department heads it's about what our what are our leaders across the organization whether they're a formal leader or a non-formal leader how are they helping us Advance equity and inclusion and how are we supporting them in wanting to do that work right so these will be folks from across the entirety of our organization that will help embed equity and inclusion into the way that we do our work because they have experience working directly with residents serving residents directly so they'll have a different perspective to bring to the conversation when we're talking about what does it mean to do equity and inclusion work than maybe some of our leaders do I'd love for this to grow to representation from the community as well I think we'll start building first internally and get that group Rolling and then bring that perspective hopefully from community in a partnership model that will help us think about are we being Equitable and inclusive in all things that we do so that's the plan there uh you'll see learning and development's really important important uh that's going to be around shared understanding around things like history and language that we use in Roseville if we were to talk about diversity equity and inclusion the terms themselves right now we probably each have a little bit of a different understanding about what does that mean and then Roseville has a definition on what it means right so how do we ensure that folks when we say diversity or we say Equity or we say inclusion that we're talking about the same thing and that we mean the same thing right like I tell folks all the time if I tell you I want to meet you for lunch at Taco Bell well there's a couple Taco Bells in the area if I don't tell you which one want to go to what's the chances that we're going to end up at the same one right so how do we how do we make sure that we're all saying the same thing and meaning the same thing uh you'll see here some other tools for Success that I want to invest in or some facilitation skills for our our staff that are going to take part in this right how will they be able to lead conversations in their area we know that folks trust folks that have similar lived experiences as them so if I go into a space and I want to have conversations about this if I have a partner that knows the work and knows that department and knows the challenge that come along with that work uh often times we can have more deeper and meaningful conversations so I really see this as an opportunity for us to build capacity and again going back to equity work happens all the time not just when the antonos around that's really the goal that I want to push and the equity inclusion action team is going to help us do that you'll see on here quarterly meeting with the leadership team I think that's really important for a couple of reasons one just that support and connection they know that it matters to our leadership team so I want to bring that those two groups together and also employee growth right how many how many times does someone get to stand in front of our city manager and give a presentation about the work that they've been doing maybe it happens often I don't know uh or maybe one of our Chiefs right how do we make sure that we're giving folks that opportunity to grow as employees so uh it's it's it's a double bonus in those particular places yeah please okay so what does Equity inclusion mean to you yeah that's a great question it's a great question how much time do you have um I think when I think about inclusion to me person personally it means uh not only are we inviting people to the table but are we inviting people to the table making them feel valued making them feel heard and seen and a part of our decision making and Investments right so I think about government agencies our biggest resources are our financial investment that we make our budget and then our employee investment right where are we allocating employees and how are we making those employees function for the city so are we including people in those decisions right I think that often times folks in public sector you come to this work because you care and you want to make a difference and um and so we do everything with that in mind and and I think the inclusion piece is about sometimes going back to going right to action we make decisions that we think are really great in the moment uh but may not be great for everything that's happening in a community right so how do we include folks in that particular piece and I think Equity is about recognizing that that different folks need different different things to be able to participate and or to be able to um be informed and to be engaged and to be connected and so I I see that responsibility as ours as a government agency to really understand the differences in our communities and thinking about how are we equitably connected how are we equitably serving and then how are we going Beyond just kind of that that minimum expectation of saying hey you know we translated our brochures to different language angues uh but how are we partnering with leaders in the community to say yes we translated these but also here's something that's going to impact community and we want you to be a part of this right so just recognizing that um just using language accessibility as as an example right um so I think that's what I think about what I think about Equity thank you thanks for the question so all that is really laying the foundation and really putting us in place to be able to get to a point where we can create departmental Equity inclusion action plans right and um we have an organizational Journey you saw that we have a departmental journey you saw that we have an individual Journey you saw those things right so how are we moving through that process of relationship building and the various points of doing equity and inclusion work but with intentionality and purpose and the way that we're going to get there is with these action plans and those action plans will be different for uh our Parks team maybe compared to our Public Works team right right and going back to the idea of equity right they have different goals and different strategies and different needs to do their work in a way that's inclusive of all our community so uh we're going to get there and we're going to focus on starting with our outcomes right what do we want to change and or advance and or improve uh about the service that we deliver every single day to our residents right so what does that what does that end result look like and how will we measure it that's about the accountability piece and the transparency how will we be able to say who's better off and how are they better off right and then we back into what are the actions take to kind of move that work forward so I'm looking forward to building some of the infrastructure that you all just heard about and then moving towards a action planning phase that will I think really allow us to come back next year and say this is what we said we wanted to do and this is how we got there so that's kind of the piece that we're going to be working towards as we move to our equity and inclusion work so I've said a lot of along the way and I really want to lift up that my partners here that you'll hear from in a second have been doing a lot of really good stuff already and I think it's important that we that we celebrate that as we get ready to hear from those folks though I want to share with you all that I I told you in the beginning that I see our equity and inclusion work really as as our community aspirations work it's embedded into it right how are we doing that work equitably and inclusively so when you hear from our leaders that have come up here and talk with you today about the really important work that they're doing they're going to to share with you the community aspiration that their work is connected to and how they're doing that in an equitable and inclusive way so um with that said I'd love to invite our uh fire Partners up to talk a little about some of the work that they're doing so Neil's gonna come up and chat with us evening Council it's fun to be here this evening and uh little different topic than we normally get to have conversations about so um as we continue our focus in the fire department on Equity uh we have uh some key Focus areas that we have outline tonight and we want to talk a little bit about how uh these particular areas for us are really focus on connecting with the community before they have to call 911 and laying some foundational work for relationships that uh sort of instill a level of confidence with the community that gives them uh a face to the name uh not just the fire department but who's behind the fire department so that uh when they pick up the telephone they know that they're going to get someone they know um and someone that's you know equally capable of meeting their needs and so as we look at that um some of the areas that we highlight are our health Outreach and we've been working sort of continuously and I'll say a little bit tirelessly to uh focus on some of our health Outreach presentations and we spend a lot of time working with our senior community living facilities uh and trying to reach out to them and and bringing some um you know life safety and health Focus presentations to them that focus on their needs specifically so one of the areas that uh oftentimes comes up is uh cooking fires with elderly folks so we talk about how you can prevent those things how you can maybe take care of some of the more common injuries that we see related to our elderly population from slips to Falls and so we bundle those presentations and we take them out to the communities they've been immensely successful uh and we're really really pleased with that continued partnership that we've had uh in addition to that we've taken our hands only CPR program that we've done in the firehouse for the last several years which has been really successful and we've taken that mobile uh so we've done a couple of hands only CPR presentations out in the community trying to find ways to connect with the community we're they're at and maybe bringing that learning opportunity just a little bit closer to to the residents and and the folks in the community who need that as well um we've continued our work with our Fighters with firefighters I've seen several of the council members over at the firehouse so far this year um and we appreciate you guys stopping by it's a lot of fun to have you come and take part in those activities I think you've all seen the the level of participation from the community at those events um our June one was probably the most well attended since our very first uh fir with firefighters event uh and then this one we just had last week was equally popular with the weather and the kids wanting to play in the water so uh Shameless plug we have one last one this summer coming up on Friday August 9th so if anybody wants to join us we'll be uh we'll be doing that again as well and and hoping to uh kick off the end of summer with with the community as well as we focus on Recruitment and hiring this has been um certainly an opportunity for the fire department to to spend some time focusing on um our equity and and inclusion and so we started a little over a year ago our fire cadet program we're really pleased with how this program's been working over the course of the last last year we've hired two of our newest full-time firefighters out of our fire cadet program um and have been just exceptionally pleased with how they have gone through that program how they've gone through their training how they've represented the community and the fire department and then as they've taken their role as full-time firefighters how they've uh brought their unique perspectives and backgrounds to our department but also to the community and it's been a really great opportunity for us and we're really excited to continue that work um we have two fire Cadets uh you can see Paige and Alyssa up on the screen right now um theyve just finished up their firefighter training uh they're both doing very well with sort of learning the ropes of the fire service and getting their feet wet if you will and have been great additions and so we're looking forward to the opportunities for those two as well and then on the far left hand side of the screen there is Ali and he's one of those two uh individuals that we've been able to bring on board as full-time firefighters over the course of the last year and if you've met ali uh he brings a special positive attitude that uh I say he's like a unicorn and we're super super excited to have him on the team and very pleased with uh with all that he's brought to the fire department um in addition to our fire cadet program a little over two years ago we reestablished our fire explorers post and uh we've seen some really positive interactions with the uh the students and the youth who've been participating we sort of stretched the age gap for that um so we've had some kids who are in middle school all the way up to um sophomores Juniors and seniors in high school and we've got a group of a little over a dozen students who are here uh twice a month with us and in the summer times we're doing some ride alongs with the crews to get a little better picture of what the fire service is like like but um what a great group of kids and uh we're really looking forward to trying to bring them down there's a a competition at the the State Fair on fire safety Friday and so we're hoping that either this year or next it's kind of our goal is to get them back to that competition and have them be a part of that with all the fire Explorer posts in Minnesota it's a a really great opportunity and it really gives them something sort of to focus on as they're going through the year doing their training and learning a little bit more about the fire service couple of areas uh as we look at things that are coming up for us so we've got ashes and she was here I think everybody saw her on her way in she's been a great addition to the fire department not only from her primary goal which is serving our firefighters and their mental health um but also a great conversation starter as she's been out in the community with us and I know that I have run into council members and uh um just a ton of community members she really opens a door of communication that um I didn't even expect when we started the program with her and so it's been really enjoyable to to have sort of a tool that um maybe it's a commonality that we all find in loving pets but uh really opening a door and sort of drawing people into that conversation and dialogue with us and establishing that relationship so um just a great positive piece uh to the whole ashes program that we really didn't see coming and uh it's been a lot of fun to work with that as well and uh We've also been starting a relationship with trellis uh so trellis is an organization that helps uh folks who might have in our case might be high utilizers of our services um so someone who we are seeing sort of a continue recurrance of calling 911 and and maybe having something that we can see you know there's there maybe they're starting to have some increased Falls or slips or U maybe they need some help locating food on a regular basis um with the permission of the of the folks that we are visiting with we can refer them to Trellis and then trellis can support their needs that they might have uh to help them find some sustainable paths forward and and meet the needs where they're at uh which is a couple of things does a couple of things for us and for uh those individuals one it helps them to find the right solution to their problems as opposed to sort of the one siiz fits-all which is dial N1 get an ambulance go to the hospital and then sort of rinse and repeat that process um it can really help them get that key service that might help them stop getting into that Circle and find what they need to help continue that sustainable path forward for them and then one of the things that we're kind of evaluating and trying to find the right fit for is our mobile Frid is with firefighters and so a couple of years ago uh we took Fri with firefighters on the road and we took it to several of the parks around the community had a lot of success right away with it uh we saw a little bit lighter turnout last year and so we're kind of looking at how can we pivot that into um sort of seeing the success that we were seeing or making sure that if we're doing that um maybe the the participation is down because our participation back at the firehouse is up and so just trying to figure out is that the right fit and if so how and where can we bring that to continue its success so any questions with what the fire department's have to awesome thank you I would like to make one comment I think your Outreach is really paying off because I don't when I door knock people consistently talk very positively about our fire department the other thing I like is your cadat program because what's good is it's good for people to see people that look like them when something comes to door so I just wanted to mention that because I appreciate that work thank you we again we're very excited about the cadet program um you know when we started it you I do what we were going to see out of it but the program has been very successful and the interest has been uh I will say very robust as we've done our hiring processes for it so very continue very excited to see that continue and then potentially expand as we continue on forward really like that you're hitting all kinds of age groups too you know from the very young to the very old and everything in between that's really nice yeah it's really easy um for us to sort of get focused on our most common um sort of uh patients or or folks that we give care to which is very commonly our elderly population uh so it's I think it's important much like you said to stay focused that there is a broad group of of folks that we need to engage across the community too awesome thank you thank you you're already here so we'll invite you right on up we appreciate you so police Partners good evening um I'm Gonna Keep uh mine relatively short just because I think a lot of the programs that we're doing within the police department you've probably read about in other rcas or we've discussed or even earlier tonight you got to hear from uh career Outreach workers so tried to narrow it down to kind of some of the things that we wanted to highlight obviously the equity work is something that's been at the core of what the police department has done especially since 2020 and really have found a lot of different ways to carry that forward and have it really become kind of the foundation and and as as um earlier explained kind of weaving it into everything we do but kind of the few things I'm going to highlight today uh first one is our homeless Outreach and you heard about that earlier uh today it's not just the prevention but it's also how do we find people that are on house how do we get them to resources what we're finding is there's so many barriers there's a lot of programs out there but if you don't have a driver's license you might not be able to apply for any of those programs and so we're really meeting people and getting them those resources so that they can apply for housing so it's it's kind of unique there's a lot of like hey go to our website and find resources but we're actually saying we'll drive you to the DMV and we're going to get you a license today and then I'll drive you down here and we can uh apply for this housing so a lot of unique things um being done in that um we were able to get grant funding for another three years which is really exciting um to continue that work um then we've also had some donations from the community both from our faith community and from community members that we'll be bringing forward some recognition uh here in the next month on that next thing I'll highlight is just our uh co-response with our mental health workers uh this really was made possible with the the council support uh with the cat team and then being able to get uh funding through arpa and now we're looking at some grants to continue it it really started as they were more kind of following up on cases and we've really been been able to build that capacity to do co-response when appropriate so it's not uncommon we hear an address come out um over the radio and our social workers are already on their way out the door to meet the officers there so really focusing on those high utilizers and also Family Support doing a lot to support families um again this the system can be really hard to navigate for families they reach out for help and they just feel like they get Road Blocks I feel like we've got social workers in place now that can help them figure out that path forward um won't talk a lot about the cadet program and our Pathways to policing because I think you have all seen it a number of times in different RC's but really has been successful in um our hiring we're still a little bit short staffed but we do project to be fully staffed um here in hopefully by September and that that really is because of our internships our Cadet being able to fund tuition it really has uh been successful we just hired two of our uh two officers who started as paid interns and then work their way up and we've got two more that we expect to hire in September on that same path as far as moving forward a big thing that we just put in for is accreditation we put in for that grant that would allow us to put the resources in uh to get accredited that's uh done across the country but relatively new to Minnesota it's just it's such an expensive um expensive thing to do nationally but they're through a grant they're bringing it to Minnesota and we hope that we get that Grant and then can make accreditation happen we did a lot with our policies a couple years ago doing our whole revamp of our policy manual but I think now it's kind of open the hood and let's really take a look at all of our policies our procedures and see what's working for our community and what isn't working so fingers crossed we did get that Grant application submitted and hopefully we'll find out um if we don't get it we'll continue to look for funding sources to take on that capacity and then just continuing to find Outreach opportunities in the community uh Tom pitell our community relations coordinator is doing a lot and actually getting out and and we're doing a lot with the faith community right now and working with our Multicultural advisory committee and getting more people involved especially people that maybe we've never heard from maybe don't know much about the police department so kind of a pitch for if there's uh folks watching or you know of somebody that would be a good fit we really want to kind of re-energize and get our Mac up and running once kind of Summer Winds down and people are around a little bit more so that's kind of the the quick update of some of the highlights of the police department um you know actually wanted to go back to your comment about door knocking one thing I every time I go out door knocking I bet it's close to 100% of people love the police in Roseville so it just shows the work that you've been doing in the community on all levels that people are are appreciating respecting and really supporting and so that is so nice that doesn't happen easily especially you know what's happened over the last 5 years or so that you know to have that much support for the police in our community says a lot and all the work that you guys are doing so thank you thank you I'll make sure to pass that along it's good to hear I just wanted to thank you for um the work with the high schoolers and students I know that's really impactful I think that's a photo there of um maybe some work with students and it says a lot that it's a very um diverse uh in many different ways uh group of people and and the I don't think overall that maybe would find such positive feelings about the police department in a wide variety of young people so it says a lot and I also just wanted to give a shout out to Tom pitzel for um seeing him at every event all summer and he just wants to drive that Ranger the only reason he's not sending someone else he's actually there and he's engaging with people and is full he's there the whole time he's fully engaged and I really appreciate um you know we've had a couple different really good people but he's found a way to connect with people in a way that is uniquely him and so I appreciate what he's able to bring to that table so I just wanted to thank you for that and again I'm very very thankful and proud to be able to say that we have our cat team and know that you know whatever we can do to make sure that we can continue to move forward with whatever the housing study whatever it is however we figure out how that fits because it it's it says a lot about who we are and what we value Chie and I had I made her talk to me for like a half hour just the other day very supportive of what she's doing I agree with everything that's been said I liked your comment when you actually the example of removing barriers that's so important to have you know when you say tell a story like that it sticks with us and I think the public much more than just statistics or data so I think that's really good yeah people like the police department and and if they don't H the door usually if they say something negative police I say no are you talking about Roseville Police well know that was something I saw in the news and I'm like okay let's talk about the Roseville Police little bit of Education to do for you there and then I can do my presentation on that Jesse count up about County Roads versus City exactly so thank you for all the work thank you I appreciate that they're ready look at this they're just on like I don't say anything they're excited leave schedule that's why yeah so uh Public Works just GNA update you guys on a few items that we've done um a few new items and a few kind of modifications and stuff we did in the past so Pathways as normal we installed uh a few new Pathways last year we did three segments uh the one I'd really like to highlight is the one on Maran Street this was kind of phase two but in a very uh high density um connected to a lot of connected both parks and some schools on the St Paul side but an area of town that really benefits a lot of people who don't have motorized vehicles um the other uh initiative we did which was kind of newer was we did uh get involved with Ramsey County's bench program so we did install um seven benches kind of around uh the Lexington Uh Wood Hill area where we have a lot of senior housing but uh trying to make it um more friendly or more easier to walk around for uh especially the elderly so um something that we we look into doing that in the future as well um otherwise the other typical thing we've done with a lot of our PMP projects is curb ramp upgrades so we did continue that uh that's something we'll always keep doing as we do any Mill and overlays but last year I think we did about eight ramps and I'm sure this year is probably about a similar amount um otherwise in terms of safe infrastructure and snow plowing we did our our pilot project a few years ago I think that was done three years ago we started with one um the map only shows five but we actually have six locations uh we did add two last year uh both on the East end of town one on Maran Street where we we did that sidewalk project uh and the other by Woodbridge um we didn't have a very good test year uh because we didn't have a lot of snow so we're still considering a pilot uh part of that is good or bad we haven't had a lot of feedback on this uh process but uh you know basically we're allowing residents to park on the street and then flip flop flop so they don't they have a spot a place to park because a lot of times parkings uh there's not enough parking by apartment buildings but um it's generally been suc a success but we know there's a little bit of confusion it's not operated perfectly but it has provided um residents a way to at least allow to park and I'll still to maintain a safe uh travel way so we'll continue to look to see if we expand that in the future there are other areas in town we can't necessarily do it at all uh locations but we'll we'll still continue to look at that going forward um one of the other big studies that we're just wrapping up is the uh County Road B and Snelling Avenue pedestrian study so probably the busiest pedestrian uh Crossing on probably the busiest Road in Roseville um so looking at those results we can get some feedback and hopefully um look for Grants or work with mindat over the county because since we don't Tech we don't have any jurisdiction over that but look to improve pedestrian safety there's some shortterm things that we can we can do with that intersection to make it safer for pedestrians uh but a lot of that'll be some longer term stuff that uh we can look to incorporate as as projects come up and and funding as well um and then kind of the other initiative which we're kind of Midway through is our bike plan um looking to uh open up that mode of transportation kind kind of uh expand on the pathway master plan that we have um the pathway master plan although it's very good in detailed um doesn't specifically address bikers very detailed so this will hopefully expand that and make it um a little more detailed on how we want to get uh folks that use that mod of Transportation um throughout the community so with that I can certainly answer any questions that uh the council may have on any anything we've done or any plans we have in the future rer yes um I actually wanted to comment and I think I've talked about this before is your snow plowing you guys do such a great job with the sidewalks and the roads and everything I get so many compliments from other City people who live in other cities say I always know when I get into Roseville because of the great um snow plow but the other side of that what I really like is I see a lot of people in wheelchairs and with strollers out in the winter time trying to navigate through our sidewalks and the parks and it's they're such a good job that people are able to do that and so a lot of kudos for that it seems like a simple thing but it's amazing if you have any kind of thing you're pushing or pulling or trying to get through in the winter time especially if you're in a wheelchair that is really something so thank you for doing that and I do get a lot of comments about that as well so thank you that's my Brad thank you um you mentioned kind of learning how how it's going with the uh every other side um plowing we did a pretty uh pretty good job of right before we implemented this we had a plan then we went out and engaged folks and learned that what we were doing was wasn't the best idea um and I'm wondering if we should be doing something similar to look back and are we are we meeting our goals kind of what you talked about Mr Montes being able to look back and say who are we affecting in is it positive or neutral or negative wonder if that's that's an opportunity for us to loop back and use a similar process that we Ed to improve the program or adjust the program and see if we actually did make it work for folks yeah we could certainly do that we did um both years we even the areas we had previously done we re notified everyone reave every instructions um it's amazing when you send out 1,200 letters and you hear nothing yeah so it's just really um odd um usually you hear something either for or against and it's been very neut um but you know we do um I know our operators as as they're out plowing they've generally heard good things um certainly some confusion but I I think that's going to happen anytime and that's it's always going to be an education thing no matter what because there tends to be more turnover in those areas so um you know residents might only live there one year and then move to another location so you're it's always going to be a re-education but that's certainly something we can follow up and see if we can can solicit more feedback I appreciate that and do we have Partnerships with the owners of the building kind working as thinking about how we make sure Education Works for each new person as they move in yep so we we when we send out um letters we kind of do two letters one to tenants and then one one with property managers um and we certainly work with property managers to encourage them um the smaller locations we've had more success because the property managers know their tenants a lot more versus uh some of the larger areas it's a little more difficult I you know when you got 300 different tenants it's a little harder to communicate you don't know them maybe on a first name basis but um we do try to work with them to help them encourage to understand the rules or you know let us know how we can help stuff like that so and they've generally been very receptive um I know the one on Woodbridge when we s we first saw the signs the they they saw that the the property manager called us within like two hours of the signs going up um because they were worried like well what are you guys doing here and then when we explained it they're like oh that's great because they knew it was going to be such a benefit to their tenants um and then we didn't to really see how it worked for that area because we didn't really have a snowstorm which is uh which is fine so we don't have to have them at an event like that that works when I think about that I think now I haven't rented an apartment for a few years now but you get your apartment they give you this packet here's the information you need is that kind of information part of that is there ongoing education um that the apartment owners can be doing and partnering with us in November of each year I that kind of partnership yeah and I we'll certainly do that again we'll reach out and we can definitely encourage that make sure it's in your welcome packet or what or whatnot that they hand out thank you well as someone who paid $179 to get their car out of the impal in Minneapolis last um for street sweeping but um I think it's really important that for people maybe new to this conversation to know that one of the parts of this snow plowing thing is to not to try to avoid um uh towing cars of people who are poor because really it's just an extra tax on people who are poor or people who maybe don't have the means so um that it might be one of the most depressing places in the world is to be at the toe place because people don't know how they're actually going to get that car and they can't go to work then and they can't take care of their kids and everything else so I think it's just really important to share that not by having an opportunity for people to park somewhere else we're we're taking away that you know that extra Towing fee and getting to the taking a day off of work to get to the impound lot to find it and you know is it even in good shape did it get smacked up on its way there and whatever so I think just reiter that that really is an equity piece for people by giving an opportunity for them to still park near their home not get towed not have to put that extra come up with whatever fee that is and you know so I just think it's really important and I really had wished I wasn't in Minneapolis but anyway good points I think that uh one of the things Mr fmer said is we we need to stress that some of the work we do is on County Roads and on state highways and we have to or state roads and we have to work with them to do that because quite often I get comments from the public saying well why didn't you do this and why didn't you do that and I'm going like well we have input but we do not get to decide on those things and there are many roads that are as you know as you know very well roads so that's just a point I want to make a educational piece anything else thank you Mr fmer excent invite Janice to come hang out with us here we go J been a lot of time up here I see I'm this is community development director Janus gunlock I forgot to do that in the last one so make sure the public knows yeah so thank you um we had a couple of different groupings of initiatives we wanted to talk about briefly the first one was um Quality housing obviously we were here in front of the Eda earlier talking about this um there's a couple of items up there I wanted to go way back to 2021 uh the summer of 2021 we did a bunch of uh virtual sessions engagement sessions with the public before we started the zoning Cod update process one of those sessions related to uh racial equity and inclusion and we held the session not necessarily knowing full what we would hear from the public but we wanted to provide a forum under which people could make comments and you'll note from the notes that were taking at this session almost all the comments related to housing affordable housing different types of housing it wasn't a total surprise given a lot of the engagement that was done with the comprehensive plan talked about missing middle housing but given that it sort of fed into the zoning code update that was ultimately approved one of the larger items that was done was to uh expand upon two family housing units that were allowed in the single family zoning District I want to note I think we've done two duplexes when normally only a single family home could have been done so it really has amounted to Gentle density but a lot of that informed some of those zoning code update Pro uh projects um tied back to equity and inclusion initiatives also the land trust partnership with habitat I think um we've closed on a handful of homes but we have another sort of handful on the pipeline uh this map doesn't come up really super great but um the blue ones are the ones that have been acquired oh good on the side you can see it better um the new construction is a is a twin home and then um there's some other homes that uh uh haven't officially been placed with a family but they they are they are in the partnership um the other one I wanted to highlight is we do have a first generation down payment assistance program um our very first land trust home the person who was placed in that home actually was a recipient of one of the first generation down payment assistant uh loans so um those are really working the way that we intended and then the last item under quality housing I we did want to highlight just Deeds we were at the juneth event and I was actually kind of surprised at how much interest people still had in just Deeds I had a bunch of brochures about all of our housing programs and nobody really wanted to talk about that everyone wanted to talk about just Deeds we actually ran into a couple of people uh one family in particular stuck out at me where they actually found out at that event looking at that map that there was a racial Covenant against their property and so we were continuing to um participate in just deeds and giving people The Avenues to get those uh covenants discharged and that's something that we'll continue to work on the other item related to Quality businesses we're continuing our partnership with the rice and larer Alliance um there's a business component to that um as well uh um and that is our most racially diverse diverse area in the community so we'll continue to participate in that effort and then this photo here is Thomas and Mercedes Jackson they own and opened par 365 um they were the first business that received one of our small business loans um they also were a recipient of several services that we offered through our chose Roseville program program and so if you haven't been to par 365 it's kind of a fun business and they're a really great couple with a lot of energy and it's a great business that I'm happy to say that the Eda and the city has contributed to their success we hope um in terms of upcoming initiatives we were just here talking about that housing needs assessment we think there's some potential there to do some new and Innovative things that speak to equity um on the housing side but I don't know fully what that's going to be we'll learn as we go through the process but that's probably the biggest item that's upcoming on our initiative stocket but that's all I had no questions for me no well we've been up here before so we've already giv any questions just waiting for Matt for Matt we saved them all for him all the questions thank you Council and I I spent the better part of the the afternoon here trying to condense this so I'll be as brief as I can while also making sure I highlight the the work uh the team is really doing on this uh the first couple items I want to touch on are are likely not new to the council but are things that we're beginning to see really uh impactful tangible data on the first is our reach for resources program and and if you'll recall what reach for resources is is it's a group out of the West Metro that actually provides inclusion inclusive services to participants in our Parks and Recreation programs so they come out and they train our staff on our seasonal staff on how to work with people with special needs in our programs but also on a onetoone basis we'll Provide support for the programs uh last year was the first year we did it and we had 244 hours of inclusive Services utilized um which is a huge huge impact that impacted there were 14 children that took advantage and I I think our lead G uh spoiled my punchline here but when you read sort of some of this uh qualitative data of the impact that was had uh in a lot of cases these are simply children that would not have been able to participate in our programs without this they would not have been able to participate in the way we used to do this previously which was sort of try to do the best we can to facilitate their participation um and you can see they were able to meaningfully actively participate and receive the benefits um this is now our second year of the program and th so far through uh the 1 of July we have 177 hours signed up for so we anticipate that this year will be even bigger and that is inclusion at its very nature where these again are folks that are benefiting on a very onetoone level from the service um another one that we've talked about for years and years and and I'm proud of the the outcomes we're beginning to see is our Fe assistance program um you'll recall this is something that has had rville has had going back a long long time um and historically it had been uh you could receive $100 of free assistance per year um what the data was showing in 2022 as we began to collect data was a huge percentage of folks that claimed it hit the roof and they would participate in one activity or two activities and then be spent out and wouldn't participate in anymore so we did increase that rate to $150 Max it's probably still not enough to totally serve everyone but it's it was a try to see if that improved things and what we found is the amount of fee assistance claimed uh in 2023 went from $5,500 in 2022 to $10,200 in 2023 so it it really doubled um that was great but obviously if you offer More Money More gets spent so we weren't totally sure if we'd hit the mark um but last year was the first year we collected racial demographics with this and we didn't have some fancy software program it was literally part of the scholarship application and Kim in our office uh was hand entering it into a spreadsheet uh that was Data protected and what we were able to find is that 54% of the people who claimed fee assistance were people of color um and obviously that compares to Roseville having about 30% people of color so that means we're not only achieving participation of financially disadvantaged populations but also historically racially underrepresented populations are participating in our programs to me that says that if we can continue to grow this program through greater advertising greater funding greater access this is a great tool to help us make sure that our programs better represent all of Roseville not just those who have historically participated uh another item I want to talk about these are more of what Antonio was talking about earlier and I I really think he's right oh I think we lost we might have lost oh I had some good pictures too uh oh oh no um well well that's all right you're gonna have to use your yeah you're gonna have to use your imagination you don't want me to act out the last one I do want to talk about our project planning because this has been a really intentional effort since uh 2022 um began I I've talked about several times with the council we met two great individuals Maria and Sal who are in wheelchair um at our opening of the inclusive playground at Central Park Victoria since then every time we have planned a playground we've reached out to them and said why don't you come out and provide us feedback come to the neighborhood meetings um they've that's been three playgrounds that have been planned since then for the Lexington playground replacement we actually brought them in as part of the interviews with vendors they got to ask the vendors questions and be involved from that very early stage the impact of that is simply exactly what you think it would be it's blind spots um when we were working on the new playground uh on County Road B it's a relatively small site it's not able to be the fully inclusive ramped surface there's climbers and things like that we brought Mar andolon to that conversation and they looked at our drawings and they said well if you just change the orientation here sure people in chairs aren't going to be able to climb this but they'll be able to go under this apparatus and still play fully in the experience that's all we've ever wanted that's what we couldn't do when we were kids and it was such an eye-opening experience because our vendor does hundreds of playgrounds we've obviously worked on a bunch of them and we missed it and without them coming in and saying hey could you just turn this we would have missed it and and so we've actively made sure that they were involved in this planning process and really tried to give them more Authority and more opportunity to guide planning and we're really excited um for that Lexington playground project which the first neighborhood meeting is next week and um but we've already had them involved in the selection of the vendor with that one the other two items that had the pictures I'm bummed you aren't going to see um I could just try to take this H well well well no I don't we know how fickle that can be um is when we talked about uh how we plan our programs on a day-to-day basis and there's two two I really want to highlight um because they came from others in the staff so I think five or six years ago it might have been me saying now let's remember our Equity considerations and these examples were the opposite um one is we were looking for we were planning Rose Fest and we knew there was a lot of change this year and a lot of sort of going out on a limb and we were talking about where we were going to put these events and one of our staff members raised their hands and we were doing our superhero Carnival which is a fairly large event and really Central Park is the only site that has traditional infrastructure for that parking by that I mean um and our staff memb said everything we're doing is in the Heart of the City we got to get to the east side of the city because that's the more diverse part of the city and so we talked about it and we said well let's try this at Acorn Park and of course being a perfectionists who try to figure how things are going to go wrong several of us said that's really scary there's not enough parking it's not big enough for that sort of event and we said no we have to try this because the equity implications and we ran the event out there um we had over a thousand people participated at the event I was there for the event we didn't have I didn't have a single person complain about parking and it looked like Roseville it was it was a more diverse group than we would have had if we held that event in Central Park that's inherently event people walk to they want to be a part of so it's moving the needle it's not you know the the the Giants Triumph but it was a big win um the other one is as we were planning our entertainment for the Party in the Park event um Dion heider who books our summer entertainment was extremely passionate that we needed to try something different and we needed to book aand that had diverse members but also played diverse music um this was not to say something that said you know this is a specific cultural group but just something that played music that would appeal across demographics and so we booked a band called high and mighty um we went out and raised some sponsorship funds to have a little bit extra to to book them and I this is the the picture I'm sad we aren't going to have because the first time in my entire time here in Roseville we had uh you guys could act this s yeah we could yeah um I've never seen the entire amphithe yeah there you go so the entire Amphitheater was um filled with people dancing and people across the Spectrum and so it truly did go from a Prince song to um various across the spectrum of music and it was so much fun and again I'm proud of it because it didn't come from me it didn't come from Antonio it came from others in our department who have heard this and said no we need to be reflective in How We Do It um and then the last anecdote I'm going to share was just comes from the back of the room I was just reviewing we're looking at our natural resources planning which is in draft we got this big project list and the consultant sent me a memo and how they're going to prioritize this and one of the priorities was underrepresented uh under parks underrepresented neighborhoods was third on that list so it's just reflective again of how this is becoming something that we utilize in almost every decision we make um more so than the specific initiatives so that's that's those are what I had chosen to highlight um couple upcoming initiatives that I I we don't have on here one we talked about Lexington Park we're also planning to go out for RFP for recreation management software that will allow us to track demographics of folks who participate in our programs um that's certainly the hope that we'll get a proposal back that can do that um and we've also starting to uh move the move towards A needs assessment similar to what Janice was talking about earlier that hopefully will allow us to understand the needs of the CI Community across demographics that's what I have I just wanted to share I went to the um Dixie Land Jazz and it was really lovely because it was um very close to parking so there was a lot of people who probably weren't able to attend any other event and they were able to park right there walk in in their walkers or with their assistants could have had maybe three times as many chairs um but it was really it was really lovely um and it was fun to see people I've never seen in any other event um from all different age groups but it it was really enjoyable kids were rolling around I'm probably a little too Cur to the greens but um but it was it was really lovely so I appreciate again Thinking Beyond what's always been done and and continuing to change and and uh adapt thank you impressive very impressive thank you man thank you sorry about the oh don't worry about it Administration now we have Rebecca Olson assistant city manager thank you um and I will take full responsibility since I uploaded the PowerPoint I apologize Matt I don't know what you just didn't want me to act on the danc we wanted you toct exactly had the base I was going uh so a couple things that we want to highlight from uh my area is our website accessibility and translation as many of you know we did a really large project updating our website is kind of ongoing it's stuff that you probably won't see it's all on the back end but one of the things that we did as you know through the community survey the main source of information for our community is our newsletter and second is our website so we wanted to make sure that when people are accessing our website that they can use the accessibility features so we implemented something called user way there's a little widget in the top right hand corner of our website looks like a a little person with their arms out stretched and when you click on it it gives you a variety of different options that you can use to make the website more accessible you can increase font you can increase change contrast you can look at um there's a screen reader there's also um changing there's dyslexia friendly um things that you can do on it so it really makes it uh more accessible in addition to that it that widget has a translation system but we also have another translation system on the website as well so it will translate our website into dozens upon dozens of different languages because we know everybody is going to be able to understand some of the stuff that we may have on our website if they're not native English speakers so those two things have really helped us um improve our website and the accessibility for everybody in our community and not just our our residents but I know other people come to our our website as well um in addition we also updated assisted listening devices here in the council chambers um I don't know that we've had a huge outcry for it but they had not been updated for I don't even know how long probably over a decade so we did update those so that people who may need to use an assisted listening device can now access it it links directly to your phone um I don't know all the ins and the outs but uh it is much better technology for people that may need it uh second thing that's up there is hiring I think you've heard a lot tonight about the hiring uh for our Public Safety departments but the rest of our organization also does a significant amount of hiring throughout the year it hiring is huge it is very very busy um we go through probably close to 3,000 applications in a year um and it's it's really big so one of the things that we're trying to do is lend some consistency to our process so we created something called a hiring manager packet this packet requires uh hiring managers to submit a lot of information prior to us posting a vacancy um what the intent is they have to preside or present us with a scoring Matrix so that we are making sure that we're scoring on the criteria outlined in the job descriptions and we're not allowing some of those trying to mitigate any bias that can come into the hiring process um we also are talking about making sure that in those hiring packets that people are thinking about who's on your interview panels prior to even you know posting this job making sure that there is diverse viewpoints making sure that um we're being inclusive of everybody in our organization I think somebody else pointed out that there is opportunity for you know even staff development um participating in this so we're we're hitting a couple different goals here but making sure that that broader range of viewpoints is reflected in our interview panels and same with our interview questions we're really being um very targeted on the questions that we're asking and making sure that we're asking them in in um a way that is going to get you the best information the other to the hiring manager packet something that we started doing about a year ago is after applicants have had an interview we're sending out a survey to them one of the things that we started doing as part of this that we had heard is we present most applicants with um interview questions ahead of the interview there are times when they don't get all of the questions because we want to be able to make sure that they can answer some on the fly but for the most part we want them to be prepared um be able to do their research and then what we do is after they have their interview we send them a survey and ask them a variety of questions um one of the questions that we ask is were you aware of our commitment to equity and inclusion and um was this a factor or I don't remember the specific language but does it impact um was it important to you in your decision to apply and at the beginning when we first started asking this question we saw that you know every once in a while we'll get a yes we were aware of it but most for the most part it was no or kind of or whatever um and then same with the response related to was it important to you however as time has gone on we're seeing more and more people who are saying yes I was aware of your commitment to equity inclusion and yes it's very important to me and that really demonstrates that when you can create this culture you're going to get people who are aware of it word spreads um and then those are values that they find in the the hiring field so we're continuing to improve on that that's that's like I said a really huge undertaking um all of the department heads have been really instrumental in helping implement this throughout the organization so I want to throw kudos to all of them because they're really the ones when it comes to hiring that that um take the brunt of it um I won't touch too much on the class and comp study you were all very highly involved in that but really um that was an opportunity for us to really review job descriptions to make sure that all positions don't have unnecessary requirements related so that it could limit a hiring pool um we looked at um making sure that we have that equital pay and job classification throughout all City departments um and then the next item on there the impact summaries for console agenda items I I will touch a little bit on it um but these are items that we're still learning and growing with but the intent is to make sure that um as we present options to you as the the decision makers that you have all the information that you need um um and especially to make sure that you have the information on how proposals could impact various communities throughout throughout Roseville um and then making sure that Equity is a consideration as part of those decision-making uh uh processes uh Equity language and request for proposals I know uh Matt talked about the Lexington Park and uh we're starting to look at how do we incorporate some of the values related to our community aspirations when we're asking for people to help us achieve the goals that we're getting at um so we've included uh questions on you know um um I'm I'm might get the language wrong so I apologize Matt but like one of them was you know making sure that we're um putting the historically underrepresented populations at the Forefront of what we're doing so how do they do that or are they aware of those those considerations so including specific items in our requests for proposals um we did that with with the Envision Roseville culture Brokers even with um our legal attorney RFP as well and we know that the economic impact of are the these contracts are really um can have a large disparity when you talk about different ways that um government contracts can impact different communities last on here is our community relations messaging I think throughout this this presentation you've seen a lot of things that reflect some of the things that our community relations team has been doing um we talked about the sponsorship for rosefest that um really helped us um increase some accessibility for people so our community relations team has been helping with that they help with some of the design and um developing QR codes for things like on the bike plan um they've helped with some of our hiring processes as well but I think the other piece to that is I know Antonio's talked about relationships and how Equity work is really um built upon relationships and so they're doing a lot of these micro Communications they're out there they are trying to connect with people within our community to bring in that Community voice in the stories that they tell they're doing some real good intentional storytelling through our newsletter they're working with various Community groups like The Historical Society do good Roseville Roseville um Alzheimer's and Dementia and really just getting all that information pulled together so that we have uh relationships that we are building and um continuing to lay that foundation so when things come up it's similar to um I don't remember who said it but you know who to call and you aren't uh it's not a blank face um so with that uh I'll the upcoming initiatives we talked a little bit about uh I'm not going to go too in depth in those since we kind of touched on some of it um the only other thing I would say is we'll continue on our hiring practices because that is that is one of the the main things that we do is our hiring it is it is busy um but we're going to continue to provide some guidelines some processes for our hiring managers as well as look at making sure that we're all on the same page of understanding so whether that is training for people who sit on interview panels or what but that will be a continuous it's it will probably continue to evolve throughout throughout our time here so that's what I have questions counil member um yes thank you for for that update um one thing I did want to comment was on the impact statement and I think you've heard this from me before we call it the racial Equity impact summary and I would really like to see that expanded to include I think it needs to be inclusive of all the different groups involved so you know even just the way that's worded I think it needs to be maybe Equity impact summary or something like that so then because what you're talking about like with Matt's talking about some of the peoples he and how that's affecting those groups that's not reflected in that statement so I would like to see that expanded so and and I would say I think in some cases the content that goes in there is expanded so we probably just need to match the the title of it in the system yes that would be great thank you on question on the website um accessibility has that been put out there so people actually know what that that widget means or how would they know that that would access uh you know that's a good question I don't know that we've done any major um push on that but uh we absolutely could I think there's a general I don't know if we can oh we don't have it you can't really see it um if you're looking at it when if you have concerns it's a very general looking widget that kind of is similar to um the handicap signs that you hang on your your your um car yeah but again people may or may not know so that's a that's a good point of I started an email to Corey I didn't think you need to do if you know you might if you maybe regularly use it it might a nice little popup might be a good thing tool to have at least for a little while it doesn't work in my old mobile so just something about we want to get the word out that we are doing it and we want people that would use it to be able to find it yeah when you hover on it it does say accessibility menu there you go all these different options yeah the options fantastic yeah it is it's really good work I had people comment on be previously that we ours was not and and that was part of why we we did the website update is because we were out of compliance with some of the federal access ility standards so thank you thank you yeah so we shared a lot today uh I just wanted y'all to take three key takeaways from this right is is that our organization has a long range equity and inclusion plan and I want you all to feel empowered and supported to be able to talk about it as you're out talking with the folks in the community and you're talking about the work that we're doing here want you to know that this is the direction that we're going if you have questions you want to sit down for a coffee I'm willing to do that just talk about you know why is this work important to us and how are we going to continue to do it second our departments are doing really great work it's really important that I know they got a lot going on they're always like serving Community um but they're doing that with equity and inclusion at the Forefront and we're going to continue to do that as an organization so I want you to know that and then the third thing is I'm just excited to partner with you all in the community on this really important work as we move forward so that's what the future looks like with that I hope yall don't have any but we could take some questions you been asking already questions for anybody I kind of asked mine as we went I know me too it's exactly how I wanted it to go so that's great your plan worked with that said thank you we appreciate your time thank you very much well done so next on our agenda we receive the preliminary 2025 take a break at take before should we take a [Music] break oh I did that does anyone want to take a f minute break before we get started okay we'll take a show break sorry sorry break e e e e e e e e e from our short break and we will continue with our agenda um next on the agenda we have um Ian director Michelle Petri presting the preliminary Capital that time of the budget process where you get your first look at the draft Capital Improvement plan for 2025 to 2044 fun plan and me technology I going to say be for wors we don't get along real well okay um it stopped so so we're going to review the um 20 year summary and we're going to look at some preliminary funding strategies and then we'll look at a handful of funds that we've talked about for the last three or four years that continue to need some additional funding but first what is a capital Improvement plan it is a long-term plan for replacing the city's infrastructure infrastructure facilities vehicles and equipment and infrastructure is under the ground or on top of the ground pavement sidewalks or sewer pipes it includes the assets necessary to maintain our city programs and services key assumptions that went into this plan are that City programs will remain at current service levels there were certain assumptions about asset lifespans and replacement costs we've um had the finance commission look at how we replace assets and they concurred with how we do replace them um generally we have a schedule for every asset but we will replace them at the optimal time when factors such as maintenance costs and resale value are looked at and what you may see is a certain vehicle may not have maintenance issues and we're able to hold on to it for a few more years or you may see a vehicle that should be held for another five or six years having Mega maintenance issues so we have to bring It Forward new this year um there is a decrease in the total expenditures over the 20 years of $5.9 million um but there's a lot of assets that are not programmed in 2044 um so I would say roughly it stays the same no drastic changes over 20 years other than our costs do increase um other changes uh for funding of five funds we are proposing a transfer from the excess cash Reserve fund for the police vehicle and Equipment fund Public Works vehicle and Equipment fund parks and Recreation vehicle and Equipment fund the street light maintenance fund and the pathway and parking lot maintenance fund total use from the excess cash Reserve fund is $525,000 we originally started the CIP with a potential tax levy increase but after discussion the city manager and I concluded that the use of the EXs cash Reserve fund was a better solution for 2025 however there will need to be in future years increases in tax levies or other financing so the 20y year CIP um the majority of the capital is in the water and sewer area um streets and Pathways is next and then facilities Parks and Recreation and Public Safety um in the water and sewer area it's both the infrastructure and the equipment um and streets and Pathways you kind of know what those are uh on average we spend about just under 11 million for the current 20-year plan um you can see from this chart the breakdown between Vehicles equipment furniture and fixtures buildings and improvements um some items fall into buildings that might be considered infrastructure um like when you're looking at the oval it's hard to decide is it a building or an infrastructure item this chart represents the full CIP all funds tax supported fee supported governmental and Enterprise funds and you will see that we do not have a full 10 years of funding within the CIP we have nine years of funding as a whole however certain funds cannot be used in other areas the Enterprise funds which are the water and sewer storm sanitary sewer recycling those funds cannot be used in a tax supported fund Community Development their resources cannot be used in any other fund except their fund so that's kind of where the current 20-year plan is at so some of the funding strategies I already mentioned that we Ed did targeted use of excess cash Reserve funds and for 2025 um the rate prases for for utility funds will factor in the current capital Improvement plan for water sanitary sewer and storm sewer and ERS is currently working on updating um the utility rate study um we will continue searching for alternative Revenue sources in the storm water infrastructure fund there aren't a lot of sources out there but that one this particular fund needs on average a little over $2 million annually Public Works has been able to rest restrict their capital projects to the funding that's available and will be ramping up the needed expenditures in the future uh future funding strategies um we need will need to consider increasing property taxes either directly into these funds or through debt levies and consider issuance of debt to fund long lived Capital assets um not short-term equipment but generally you want a bond for items that are going to last longer than The Debt Service um so those are some future strategies to consider um additional considerations um the CIP should be considered in conjunction with the operating budgets program incomes are dependent on both and the city manager recommended budget will contain the 2025 Capital expenditures so the first year of the CIP will be part of the total budget that is presented on August 19th um the preliminary budget and uh CIP and tax levy um is scheduled for approval on the 23rd of September we have to certify a preliminary preliminary Levy by September 30th to Ramsey County preliminary Levy can always go down it cannot go up with that I'm done with my presentation Mr Tre yes uh thank you mayor gra um just uh one note uh maybe two things but on one note in regards to the recommendation to use existing fund balance to fund the needed Capital Improvements um that certainly is not something um I like to do um would like to make something more sustainable um however we have a fairly substantial balance in the cash Reserve fund I think it's a little bit closer to 900,000 um I would caution not using all that uh we do have potential of needing to shore up our general fund uh by the end of the year we'll see how the year goes on that as you know um for ongoing costs you don't necessarily want to use onetime money because you do have to make that up um so if we're going to use Reserve is either for one time cost and you'll see in my budget I'll try to leverage that as much as possible and or something that is more Capital long term so um while it will help us this year I something that we're really going to have to pay attention to in future years I just want to acknowledge that that's my proposal in front of you um as we go through the budget process the second thing is you you may notice that that big chart of us going down over a period of time uh that's pretty hard to stay positive over a 20-year period uh but we've looked better in the past and uh if you looked at the charts here uh in the packet you'll notice U really based off discussion last year that we did not add any future Levy increases that haven't been agreed to um or um approved um up to this point so in the past we've shown you charts with well if we give another 100,000 this in this particular fund that's going to help it look better I I just want to call that out so you know it it doesn't include any future Levy increases um I think there is room for conversation around that and I think collectively if we have some thoughts and kind of a plan of how we want to do it I think that's great we just wanted to show you kind of the stripped on version if nothing else was done on where we're at um we obviously look at these things every single year and make recommendations and we'll have to uh tweak that continually on that and while you can't bind future councils obviously I think having a plan in place can really help lead the way uh and show maybe what the pathway is there was uh almost 15 years ago now some work by the then Council on looking at the capital Improvement plan and laid out over a period of five to six to seven years of kind of what the plan was so every year is kind of looked at by the council and yep that makes some sense or maybe we FES out maybe we need to tweak that a little bit so would encourage a council to to look at doing something similar moving forward that's not for tonight necessarily but as we look forward um for 2025 is what's proposed we've been able to show up what we need to for now but I think as we go through 24 uh we should continue to talk about that for future year so I'll just put that out there as well you any questions or com well you know I do her right on Q and I'll keep it short well first I'll have to thank the finance director for spending a number of hours with me on Friday to go over the spreadsheets so so thank you for that and what I had done is I had taken the spreadsheets that I'd received from U Finance last year and compared them to what we have in the packet and and um had a number of questions on that um and just I so I have a few actually more observations than than questions at this point Point um I know some of the costs are updated that was part of because there when I looked at the the expenditures that were in similar years from last year's spreadsheets to what was in the similar years this they were different and part of it was they updated some of the costs and um which which is part of and then part of it is they added some different items too so um for an example like the police vehicle equipment expense went up 46% from the spreadsheets I had last year and part of it was that crazy level of costs that um they have to pay for like personal protection and all of that but then there are some additional items and I I know I have a few more questions in about some of the items in particular in that fund and but the big one I wanted to point it out in the general facilities the expenditures went up 85% from last year spreadsheet because the oval expenses are back in there now if everybody recalls the oval expenses have been in it and out and in it and out of it because we took it out thinking we're going to get bonding and then we put it back in when we didn't get bonding so I wanted to point out that there's expenses over a number of years for the oval that are in there but the bonding isn't in there and so if we get bonding that should help that line a bit even though it's still you know yeah so anyways that that one particularly because if you look at it it uh you see this big jump and then the street light maintenance expenditures were up 391 from the previous spreadsheet and of course we knew that what happened was the Excel contracts expired and I you know the thought was you know we didn't realize it was going they weren't going to continue so we have to quickly come up with the money for that um the park Improvement has a line called natural resources and it just has like a flat 50,000 in it each year and and thank you Matt for sending me the um the parks um director because that actually they're working on each year they have the natural resource plan and it's very detailed and there's a lot of um projects in there and they're still working on that so there should be some more detail right now when you look at it it looks like this flat 50,000 in there it almost looks like a plug number but it's it's a placeholder for all these other should be increasing you said not necessarily that that's usually I don't usually go for that and then the uh path and parking lot maintenance has a new line in it there's an additional 50,000 a year which had a big impact on that particular fund and that's for the new pathway construction so and you know that's something this Council had decided we wanted to increase connectivity and so that's just one of the items in there everything has a price tag to it and so that will show you you know what that piece is um and then two other comments the CIP actually does have a few maintenance items in there too and some of the funds other than just Capital items so you know when you and it is it's interesting because they say well should you put emal Emerald ashbo expense in the operating or but then it ends up in the CIP so you know you have some interesting pieces that are in here it's it's not all that um clean cut and then I do support uh using some of the cash reserve for this year only and I like the idea that it's being used for the CIP I do not support using that for operations ongoing but when you're looking at funding assets then it makes more sense to me and and and I think you made a good point city manager Pat Dr is that we can't live on that and that but we do have a nice balance so we should use it now well we can and but not thinking that's going to be a um ongoing way of of funding this so and then I also um there's a couple other pieces that aren't in here I know like the fire department is working on getting grants for the um fire truck so all those grants aren't in the funding sources either and so this looks bleak but if you did increase it the funding sources by if we get bonding or if we get some grants that will help offset it so I mean that's but you know what I and and I agree that what they're trying to do is show you this is what it looks like without that in there and until we actually um get a more um idea for if we're going to get that or not it makes sense not to have it in there but that that we in the past we had put in some of the bonding and some of the increases so when you're doing the comparative it can um make it look off from the previous year so look a little more GM than it it looks Grim yeah than than it really is on that part so anyways those are just the recap of spending many quality hours with our finan well thank you for doing that if we each did that it would have been her whole week so anyway great idea well if you've got any questions on any of the individual funds um you've got a copy of every fund um that's in in the CIP I could certainly through them all but given um this is your first draft um you know if you do have questions I am more than willing to sit down and walk through ccil member strong I just have one question about the um huge building expense in 2043 what is that attributed to that is attributed to the oval refrigeration system okay there's pieces through the whole well the the big chunk that's the big one though um in it's the concrete flooring system and it's a 50-year life of that so uh 1993 or so was it was built so it's about a 50y year by time frame so it's a huge expense um that popped up on our cap for the first time last year and obviously we'll have to continue to look at that and see what we're doing okay that I just remember Refrigeration because it's concrete Refrigeration right thank you yeah Bron speaking of of that and bonding that so in 2024 or 25 I'm sorry we have um about 500,000 for deification system at the oval as well as the roofs and some other major things is that stuff we were hoping to get bonding dollars for is that correct yes is that currently figured in to our Levy though like each year we Levy a certain amount for our CIP we that not in the levy but it is in the budget did not add that to the levy each year we Levy if you look at the chart $651,000 to build that fund yeah so we've got a flat Levy but the expenses each year change and so we've got the expenses in the levy doesn't change and we don't know if there's going to be a bonding bill or not so all of the projects that we had tried to get bonding for are in here because the things need to be done yeah we will still pursue State bonding if if and when the legislature says they're going to consider a bonding bill um and you know this fund you know has current resources um over the shortterm um but we might want to consider as part of bonding um because the fire department we've got debt slash other in here that's debt and grants whatever we don't get for Grants we're going to have to issue debt because this fund doesn't have cash to pay for the million eight and so we can bundle together some equipment larger long lived pieces of infrastructure um to fund the current outlay but that does come with the cost in that The Debt Service would then be a general obligation property tax increase okay then I have one observation and then one policy thought um the second the observation is I'm struck by what a significant negative change we have in our projections from a year ago or two years ago yeah I I that's because last year you guys directed me to remove all tax levy increases for outlying years that's the number one main driver for why they're all going down the second driver is the cost of our vehicles has gone up significantly and since I came here we've been bringing numbers up to today's value we're not projecting inflation going forward we're just bringing everything up to today's value and some of these pieces of equipment have increased significantly and in the case of the police department they're phasing out the Chargers so they're going to have to switch models Al together which is more expensive um the fire engines were in um below a million dollars well that electric is a million eight so you know making some of those changes is why some of these charts start to not look so well and there's no grants or or yeah yeah yeah uh it was more of an observation I went when I looked at this I went yeah that's why I compared last year to this year to see exactly where that was yeah no it doesn't look good um so then getting into the policy piece um as someone who arrive just after some of these uh changes were made in creating a long-term CIP and funding it more robustly the year Afters were put in place um I would note that I would be wary of us talking about borrowing over and over again certainly there's some targeted reasons to borrow sometimes um but for those who will be hanging out here longer um there are consequences to that um and so to be thoughtful about um thinking ahead and putting money in the bank puts us in a much better financial situation usually so I have a question on the uh you mentioned that part of the reason that looks worse is that we've taken the levy projections out what were they before how what did you well originally um I'd have to pull up was it a percentage per year or something no it it it would start with like the five that we talked about yes that we're now using excess tax reserves so I would plug that in and that would become the new normal for 20 years out so not just one year but it would be an increase going forward so it compounds yeah so for instance we would Michelle and I would sit and say okay if we added $50,000 of Levy moving forward and then across the board all those years then how does that affect the you can see it moving as we're doing so we included that some of that stuff in there so as you looked at the charts a lot more charts look better than they would have so you can see if just 50,000 now yeah changes that projection um extends it out further and that those are the exercises we need to kind of go through here and kind of figure out a little bit now can make a big difference down the road first wait till the last second explains that much better yeah so literally we sit down for for a couple hours play with things like that play with things like that to see what would we have to do and in a couple of cases it's well if we do this next year and meet you know start small and then maybe incrementally have to increase it um but yeah so prior to last year the CIP sheets that were approved every December had additional levies across the board um not on every fund but yeah but several key ones yeah these ones that we keep talking about so put it in perspective so we're accepting the preliminary and of course this will be ongoing as yeah yeah so I was wondering if there's anyone from the public who wanted to speak to this item I'm seeing head shaking so continue on thank you for the presentation unless someone has something else move on to the next item and the next one is a review of the sales tax referendum ballot question so there are a couple options in there and I believe our attorne I I'll lead and then uh be supported by attourney so uh as the case indicates as you know in November 5th will there be a referendum question for the voters to consider approving two referendum questions about uh creation of a local sales tax to fund the new parks and Public Works maintenance facility and the license and passport center the um state law does require that the city provide the county written notice of the ballot questions uh prior to uh August 13 2024 so they can get the ballot ready um as part of that the council must uh determine both the ballot title which is interesting enough limited to 10 words uh very specific and also the question itself and the City attorney needs to be involved in that process and uh to that Accord we've uh had mney draft U some questions for you to consider here tonight that kind of stays within the bounds of what we required it can't be persuasive but something that's uh the average voter um can understand I would note that under the sales tax legislation as we have two different projects there are two separate questions one for the parks and Public Works maintenance facility and the other one for the license and passport center doesn't mean there's two sales tax at the the the sales tax would fund one or two projects um if approved here so in your packet tonight is um some draft questions for both of those so once again one for the parks and Public Works maintenance facility and and another one for the license and passport center I can pull them up on the screen in here in a second uh one is very basic and simple just talks about um what the ask is and also states that if one or both questions are approved it's only off the city's only authorized to uh have one half of 1% sales tax for the lesser of 20 years uh or until the sales tax revenue has been raised to pay for the cost of the prop projects the option two for each of these is adding a little bit more language about about what voting Yes means and what voting no means uh that's a little bit more helpful uh perhaps but as you start trying to describe that and can get a little bit more wordy and complicated so so we've drafted both of those just for your consideration uh we're looking for some sense of direction here tonight but we're not asking for any approval I'll plan on bringing that back at the um August 22nd meeting I'm sorry July 22nd meeting out of here already uh for uh final uh consideration and approval so with I'll pause see if the City attorney has anything to add and I'll pull up on the screen the questions so we can see them in front of us I don't have much to add other than just my my advice to you and all councils who create B ballot language is that this is not the time to try to stack the deck this is the time to make sure your voters are informed and that the language is as clear as possible for as many people as possible to understand I think that that protects you legally but it's also just a good policy for for the record so we should have a discussion now everyone has it in the packet well I think for the clarity of that currently the way it's written it can be misleading so it says sales tax for new parks and Public Works maintenance facility in if you just read the top of that you would assume that there were new parks and a public works maintenance facility oh so I propose that we say for new Public Works and Parks maintenance facility just because I feel like new parks um can be misleading and people think that there are parks also being impacted and so then I would make that change uh throughout all of the language that you would just move to build a public works and Parks maintenance facility throughout each of that and just move great Point council member Anon I would I would agree uh with that as a Clarity uh point I I might offer this just calling it a maintenance facility kind of undercuts what it is and as I looked at these numbers I was communicating with Mr trudon today these are big numbers um and so making sure people understand a little more what's going on so I I I take your point 100% uh number strong um but I might even flip that around and say maintenance and operation facility for public works and Parks too many words adding the the only the only word I added was operations yeah that's the only word I added but it's understanding that this is not just like a place where we fix trucks for $64 million yeah we're at we're at 10 what I will say though is 10 10 words we can't add one word to that title because we're already at 10 words the title itself has to be 10 words we can add more we can add more information we can add additional information into the question the title is limited to 10 words the number of words in the question is not limited well there's no statute or or Minnesota rule limiting the language it it it should be as brief as it can but you can add additional information there and that's part of the reason for this conversation is there additional information and clarification that you'd like to add into those questions uh yes to that um you know to your point council member Aton um you know maybe swapping out the word maintenance facility to operations facility um we generally call it a maintenance facility but it's much more than maintenance it's just for storage is where our operations are out we store a lot of uh equipment there a lot of material sand and salt I have a fueling facility there um have administrative offices there so um it's something to consider if if not in the title which I didn't know we only had 10 words um maybe I didn't read well enough um within the there sure um within the um body of that paragraph it could be there but uh really it's an operations facility that includes maintenance so that would be that would be the thing I would ask for us to consider in that I do like the word on maintenance in there somewhere though because when the general public he's operations boy that's kind of a fake term yeah I don't know I'm not saying you're wrong I just yeah I think maintenance is limited also see your point so one option would be to actually take just say new Public Works and Parks facility and then within the body talk about uh maintenance storage and operations facility or or just elaborate on the purpose within the paragraph but keep that question tight yes yeah I do like that we need to use the word new no at least in the title it seems like we could expand um in the definition that is a new but if I guess if we want to keep it short to the point new kind of steals the Thunder from Public Works sales checks for public works and Parks maintenance facility operations facility I I think operations maintenance yes could be in the definitions but if operations more fully Embraces what it does I personally prefer the option two in explaining what the each of the boats it does make it exceptionally long um but I do feel like telling people what that yes vote equals is really important because otherwise the messaging you need to have in advance is so much greater whereas when they're standing there they can make a decision when they're in The Ballot Box making a decision and I can tell you that that language came from if if the vote was a levy increase the vote Yes language is required so um and and you know when I did some research on what other jurisdictions have done in these questions some are including this V vote Yes language um fewer are incl including both yes and no language um but it isn't required for the sales tax measures it is reg required under state law for Levy increases if you go out for a bond yeah remember it um I I was actually used to maybe thinking about Levy a language that the yes was there I found the no to be extremely long and confusing and ended up with zero new information for the public um if you vote Yes you get this well obviously if you vote no you don't you know have this tax so um if we would go with option two I would not want the by voting no because it just adds too much adds too much and I don't I don't think it adds any Clarity I think it reduces Clarity for the public I would agree with that um well because what I had written down the no only says if you're going to put that in there it says that it would not be the sales tax wouldn't be there but then it doesn't say well what would be paying you know what what would be the means that we're going to pay for it if you vote no so if you put no in it you'd have to expand if no then it will be either bonding or additional tax levy from the city to all residents you know something right yeah so because the no was only half half there so I if you're going to put that in you'd have to expand it I would think or take it out I think at that point if if that was the message we wanted to send that should be part of the educational pieces rather than something on a ballot that again just gonna people aren't going to read it it's just stuff you don't want it too long so over here in consensus to take out the no part of that question okay back to the title back to the title certainly switch the public works at parks that's yeah yes so given the limit of words um you can only swap out one word well I I kind of like the idea what the attorney said just take out maintenance and operation totally and just say um Public Works and Parks facility then you can if you put I I'm guess I'm neutral on the new part but newest Superfluous so then we're coming down to sales tax for Public Works and park facility sking maintenance facility by dropping maintenance or some other word we say Parks facility people read that back in are they thinking of a building they might think of those buildings I liked the word operations I do too but I'm not gonna die on the hill yeah well operations is better than maintenance I think we have 10 words if we include that well You' get rid of the word maintenance okay so then we have nine words get rid of the word new replace maintenance with operations we got a home another work we got another word we could do yeah that's so exciting well maybe maybe a public input some ideas I see someone moving in yes we got somebody come sit up come give us your name and do the routine you know it in fact could you read the rules for could you remind me the r need to be posted up here anyway Roger has swag place what happens if can you get rid of the an have public words slash Parts I don't know how that affect your word count just slash count as a word I have no idea whether count is a word that the record um I I don't I don't think that's a great drafting technique to save the words nothing else not the moment if we go with sales tax for public works and Parks operations facility that is n nine dropped the word new and swapped out um operations for M it's more inclusive okay our Public Works director want to give us a I don't think he cares our Park director ran away so yeah he doesn't want to get involved nice you two match back there though pink pink tie no okay yeah we're only up to nine words with that so you have another word you could add in the attorney wants to add another word back in p and then we'll drop the no go with option two but drop the word the whole sentence about voting no the next up maybe a little bit easier uh is for the uh license and passport center once again we have the word new in there Zoom You' want to drop the no question the no part from option two as well it's similar language just swapped out I I would think you'd want them similar yeah yes I would keep them similar yeah I would take out the word new just it's expanded in the option to and then make no sentence once again we we bring this back for yeah review because it does have to build a new license and passport center in the body of the thing so it is explained there yeah I think if we long as we say that in in yeah I agree that the new in the title actually kind of detracts from what the point is if you have it in the body I think that makes sense yeah um one of the other things I I communicated with Mr Tran about this afternoon is this is not just a license and passport center but that we parks facilities on the second story is there a responsibility to make note of that somehow the two- story structure and one story is All We're talking about we're telling half the story got it he got it yep you guys are all gonna a lot later I guess three quarters on the story can you remind me I don't recall seeing other language in the state approval the the approval uh was for um funding for termin to be a two-story building and the idea was up on the second level we would put some Park uh components dance studio we a park facility yeah that is a park facility so while we could explain that I'm not sure in the question I mean then we start getting getting into lengthy stuff question well it I I guess my concern is if if you're if it's space up there that's maybe flexible if you put that specifics on the ballot you come up with a really weird voter intent question that you don't need so you know nobody knows what happens then that's one of the debates lawyers have when we're bored but you know you don't want to lock yourself into a use that you may want to change in the future lose your flexibility no if it was in the if it was in the legislation which I don't recall seeing it there then we might need to talk about whether it should be there or not but if it's not there I would encourage you to maintain the flexibility so I think that's the long way to say no you can do what you can do whatever you want I don't think there's a there's a reason yeah as an very voter that's a lot of money for a passport and license center as anyone who knows new construction that's what it costs nowadays well and and these numbers are based on estimates done a few years ago and it'll only be the amount that it actually comes in on and we're projecting out two three I don't know how many years we're out and it's it's uh that cost does not cover just actual construction it's to tear down other stuff and Grading and we did if you recall from the study um had an inflator of 7% for three years get those costs up so um we're hoping that is at the high end can't guarantee by the time we get around to building it what it's going to bids very likely they usually don't I mean you might have to cut things is what happens you know so but we're getting on a whole different track we just need to focus on the language I guess any other comments on the language yeah public comment oh please come up sit down sit down tell us the rules Wagner please so thank you I mean some of your discussion now has kind of answered my question because I still don't see from the question you have up here are you asking for approval to build these buildings or you ask approval just how to pay for the buildings because those are two completely different things and it sounds like a no vote will be going to property taxes but I think you guys need to actually tell the public that before they vote that they should know the out what will be consequences of all four votes that could be or results that could be from this election so hopefully we'll do that sometime before November exactly because I mean myself I want the I want the uh Public Works facility but I want to pay with property taxes so I don't know if I'm supposed to vote Yes or I'm supposed to vote no because if I if you want me to approve the building I got to say yes if you just want to approve how I want it paid for I would say no so hopefully you'll clear it up okay thank you thank you just a reminder this question is about the sales tax specifically but not the project it's about what the project what the sales tax be sure the public knows that that's a good point he does say that in the heading yeah and I think too as far as the material that we present and I think there probably should be some additional Council conversation uh about the uh willingness to continue with the project or not um if a sales tax doesn't pass so we can communicate that effectively to the public I think a lot of it's assumed but I don't want to assume anything there's been past decisions to go down this path um but we should probably have a check-in again to make sure that uh what messaging you want us to put out there as far as if this were to not pass what that means but this specifically is questions about whether or not we should Institute a sales tax right that would fund these projects do we have Direction on the ballot question I think so City attorney do you have uh what you need to uh I think I have what we need yeah for you to consider next week I will just regarding the last Point by our guest speaker it is required under state law that that the question be specific to a project so to the ex you don't really have a choice of deciding to just ask for approval of the sales tax um and so that those two things are required to be together so I don't I don't know that this is 100 % fixable well I think the my interpretation was that we we if we go ahead it would have to be funded in a different way than the sales tax and it could still go ahead with different funding but we'd have to find out what that would be that would be a pretty heavy lift in my opinion but that'll be another conversation so well and that you know that's we're getting kind of back into the vote no language what would that look like if you were going to roll out you could not do it you could pay for it with taxes you could beg for State bonding money you could do any number of of other funding sources to still complete the project like it's too long to start listing question okay well if that's yep good we'll move on to the last items on the agenda and we are down to council Direction on council member initiative agenda items May the minutes I don't think we have any minutes today oh that's the wrong one can't see from across the way I load it up and no um I'm sorry I thought I loaded it up if you want to talk about anything uh that you want to talk about I can load it up right here anyone have any Council initiated things we want I'll just do that okay future agenda items Communications report will soon as Mr T has that up for us to reiew is in our packet all so I you know I'm sorry I must have copied the wrong one when I was rushed to do that uh it is in your packet to use the uhhe they look at the middle one there future agenda 7:15 oh there we go okay it's there thank you so our next meeting is for this July 22nd we'll have a joint meeting with the public works environment and Transportation Commission we hope to bring forward recycling card contract and the uh recycling RFP um the sales tax question that we mentioned we also have on here most likely um a denial of a massage therapist establishment I'll I'll provide additional information as part of the packet but uh this is a property that uh we've been dealing with for quite a while but uh we are recommending denial of that request so we'll bring that forward uh after that our next meeting is August 5th we'll bring back uh just a conversation about the fire department Staffing study as you know CH brosan was here talk about future Staffing the idea of maybe having a consultant uh we did get some um prices and we just want to come back and check in with the council see what we want to do next and then we hope to uh be in position to award the strategic planning Consulting contract Council schroer and mayor Ro will be joining us on Thursday and Friday as we do some interviews for um for Consultants that have um submitted and will come forward with the recommendation would mention a couple dates that are not typical uh for the council coming up uh either August 15th or 16th uh have to be determined by the county uh canvas the primary election results we have typically done that they get noon on a Friday or Thursday so it would just be one quick short meeting five minute meeting uh August 18th main event is uh my budget presentation and just a reminder August 21st and 22nd uh are potential dates uh for interview applicants for equity and inclusion uh commission you probably count on the 21st and the 22nd might be um I would also mention I met with school superintendent uh Lake today and looking to get together a joint meeting um we tentatively Circle August 20th which is a Tuesday when we would go over to the school district to have a joint meeting um as part of their meeting back in 2017 we did hold a joint meeting here at City Hall so I think perhaps custom is the only one that was maybe on the council then uh so we're probably long over doing just an opportunity for both boards to meet I'll send an email out to all of you tomorrow just see and your availability on that and my apologies for kind of kind of quick but we've been trying to meet all summer if I got a chance to meet here today spread that up so some more to come on that and that's all I have for uh future agenda thank you any questions Mr Tre will that be during the day or in the evening it'll be 6:30 you have a council meeting Monday and then perhaps that meeting and then interviews it's a busy week I just realiz that's how it worked last time too I think kind of any any announcements anyone have any you know what the last item is council member aton's favorite I mve to a journ second it in favor say hi hi we are a jour