. >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS CONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, AND THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT. THE FIRST ITEM IS THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> MR. MAYOR, THE COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI AND I DISCUSSED THIS, WE'VE DECIDED TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE FEBRUARY 13th MEETING. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND THE MOTION TO TABLE. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A SECOMOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE. THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 2, SHORT-TERM RENTAL UPDATE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL AS CHRISTINA DAY COMES DO FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING, I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER, SORRY, IT'S BEEN A BUSY SIX WEEKS, COUNCIL INSTRUCTED US TO GO BACK AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND THIS IS AN UPDATE FOR BOTH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO HEAR WHAT PROGRESS WE'VE MADE, WHAT SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS ARE, AND WITH THAT, CHRISTINA, TAKE IT AWAY. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVES. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DO, SO WITH THAT, SOME BACKGROUND THAT WAS SO WONDERFULLY TEE'D UP BY THE CITY MANAGER, ON OCTOBER 10th THE COUNCIL DID DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A PROGRAM, IMPLEMENT A PROCESS, AND THAT WE WERE TO UTILIZE A SIMILAR PROCESS TO THAT USE BY THE CITY OF ARLINGTON TEXAS. NOVEMBER 14th, WE BROUGHT BACK A REGISTRATION ORDINANCE THAT DUE TO COMMENT WAS TABLED TO A FUTURE MEETING, AND THEN ON THE 21ST OF NOVEMBER, THE STAFF DID PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO PROGRESS TO DATE, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE COUNCIL WITH THIS ISSUE, WE HAVE WORKED ON PROCURING DATA. DEVELOPING AN OUTREACH PLAN. AND RESEARCHING OTHER CITIES. WE HAVE AN INTERNAL WORKING GROUP THAT'S MEETING REGULARLY EVERY TWO WEEKS. WE GET TOGETHER, POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PROSECUTION OFFICE, NEIGHBORHOOD SVICES, TECHNOLOGY SOLUTION, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SO I WENT THROUGH ALL THAT JUST TO TELL YOU IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY THOROUGH AND HAVE ALL THE PARTIES AT THE TABLE. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PROVIDING EXECUTIVE UPDATES ON THE PROGRESS. SO WE HAVE MET ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WITH ARLINGTON STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PROCESS, AND ANY -- THE SOLUTIONS THEY FOUND, AND ANY ALSO KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN US AND THEM AS A CITY, SO THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY UTILIZED AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO AS EXAMPLES, THAT THEY -- IT APPEARED TO THEM THOSE WERE THE LEADERS AT THE TIME THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THEIR PROCESS, THEY MET WITH INTERESTED PARTIES, IN THEIR PROCESS BOTH SEPARATELY AND TOGETHER. THEY DID NOT USE A CONSULTANT, BUT UTILIZED AN ONLINE SURVEY TOGETHER INPUT AS WELL. THEY PRESENTED FOUR OR FIVE REGULATORY OPTIONS FOR PUBLIC CONSIDERATION AT A TOWN HALL, AND THAT -- THEY FELT LIKE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, GIVING THE PUBLIC A O PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK ON THE SOLUTION. WE KNOW THEY HAVE SOME CLEAR EXPLICIT ZONING DEFINITIONS, TIME OF RESIDENCE, FOR RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WERE HELP FOR THEM HAVING A HISTORY OF PROHIBITION THAT SORT OF TEE'D UP THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHERE WE SIT HERE IN PLANO. SO WE'VE ALSO MET WITH INTERESTED CITIZENS TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS, AND WE'VE HELD INTERVIEWS WITH FOUR POTENTIAL FILITORS TO ASSISC OUTREACH, AND WE ARE WORKING TOWARD A CONTRACT WITH ONE OF THOSE FACILITATORS. SO DATA AND RESEARCH, WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED OUR RESEARCH ON OTHER CITIES' ZONING ORDINANCES AND HOW THEY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE. WE ANTICIPATE A CONTRACT WILL BE SIGNED THIS WEEK WITH DECKARD, A THIRD PARTY DATA SOURCE, AND SO WE SHOULD START GETTING DA VERY SOON BASED ON THIS FAIRLY SHORT TIMELINE PARAGRAPH ALSO WE'VE CONTINUED TO TRACK DATA THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR THE 2022 YEAR FOR YOU ON THAT. SO PER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE WERE 141 CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR, AND THAT KNOW OF 57 PROPERTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED IN CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT ALSO ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SIX OF THOSE PROPERTIES HOWEVER HAD 41% OF THE CALLS, SO HAD A FEW THAT ARE DRIVING THE MAJORITY OF CALLS. NOT REALLY THE MAJORITY, BUT HIGH NUMBER OF CALLS, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT BROKEN OUT HERE, ONE SINGLE PROPERTY WITH 26 CALLS, ANOTHER WITH 10, AND THEN IT DROPS OFF FAIRLY QUICKLY TO QUITE A FEW WITH I THINK THERE'S TEN LISTED THERE WITH THREE CALLS, SO THIS IS ALL THE PROPERTIES WITH THREE OR MORE CALLS, SO YOU CAN SEE THE'S JUST A LIMITED NUMBER THAT SEEM TO HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO HOW DO THESE CALLS BREAK OUT? THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONCERNS ARE NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT'S CATEGORIZED ALSO WITH PARTY, ALCOHOL, DRUGS, AT 81. AGAIN, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF INCIDENTS. THE SECOND-MOST BEING PARKING OR TRAFFIC. AND THOSE REPRESENT3% OF ALL THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED. I BELIEVE THE NOISE COMPLAINTS WERE ALSO, I THINK THERE WERE -- LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET TO MY NOTES. THERE WERE 62 NOISE COMPLAINTS OUT OF THE 81 PARAGRAPH SO EVEN THAT TOP NUMBER, THE MAJORITY OF THAT LINE ITEM IS NOISE COMPLAITS. SO HOW DOES THIS STACK UP AGAIT ? THIS DATA HAS BEEN TRACKED SINCE 2019, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DARK BLUE LINE REPRESENTS 2022 AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE BIMONTHLY WERE HIGHER THAN IN PREVIOUS YEARS, AND AS A TOTAL, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE TIMES IT DIPPED BELOW PRIOR YEARS, GENERALLY THERE WERE MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE LAST YEAR. SO MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE CLOSE TO GETTING THAT CONTRACT FOR THE THIRD PARTY DATA. WE THEN SHOULD START RECEIVING THE DATA AND WILL START OUR ANALYSIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. WE ARE ALSO VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING A PUBLIC OUTREACH FACILITATOR CONTRACT. I HAVE MEETINGS ON THAT LATE THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK WITH SOME FINAL INTERVIEWS AND REACHING SOME CONCLUSIONS THERE. AND THEN DISCUSSIONS BEFORE P&Z ARE ANTICIPATED IN FEBRUARY, ALTHOUGH WE REALIZE THERE MAY BE SOME QUORUM IUES WITH P&Z IN FEBRUARY, WHICH MAY CAUSE US TO WANT TO PUSH THAT INTO MARCH, BUT IF WE HAVEN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE SITTING, WE WILL BE DOING THE UPDATE LIKELY THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY. SO WITH THAT, COMPLETES MY UPDATE. THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES HERE. IF YOU HAVE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, AND I'M ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, SO IF WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, CHRISTINA WILL CL YOU BACK. >> RIGHT. >> Mayor Muns: SO LET'S HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL FRANCE. >> HAPPY NEW YEAR. MAYOR MUNS, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS BILL FRANCE AND I'M HERE AGAIN TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE TEXAS PLANO NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, WE'RE A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WITH ONE CLEAR GOAL, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY BY PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. TONIGHT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE CITY REGARDING UPDATE ON ACTIVITIES CONCERNING THIS ISSUE. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO APPLAUD THESE EFFORTS. OUR CITY LEADERS HAVE TAKEN THE RIGHT ACTION TO ADDRESS THIS PROLIFERATION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AS WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED ON MANY PREVIOUS OCCASNSWE BELIEVE F MANY HOTELS OPERATING IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS A BLATANT DISREGARD OF OUR CITY'S LONGSTANDING ZONING LAWS. TODAY, THROUGHOUT NORTH TEXAS, CITIZENS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM. WITHIN THE LAST 90 DAYS, FORT WORTH CITY COUNCIL HAS REAFFIRMED THE PROHIBITION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THROUGHOUT THEIR CITY. THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS EMBRACED THE KEEP IT SIMPLE SOLUTION THAT WILL PROHIBIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS THUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND THE CIVIL ACTION AGAINST THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, CHALLENGING ITS SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, HAS AT LAST BEEN DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. IT HAS BECOME CLEAR THAT THE POWER THAT RESTS IN THE HANDS OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO LAWFULLY RESTRICT CERTAIN BUSINESSES FROM OPERATING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALTHOUGH UNDER ASSAULT STANDS FIRM. WE CONTINUE TO URGE OUR CITY LEADERSHIP TO REMAIN VIGILANT AND PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF PLANO. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A RENEWED SENSE OF OPTIMISM, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REST UNTIL THE PEACE AND TRAINING QUILT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ONCE AGAIN SECURE PARAGRAPH WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU, OUR GOVERNMENT, TO ENSURE THAT THIS ISSUE IS RESOLVED. UNTIL THE LAST UNWELCOME SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS SHUT DOWN PARAGRAPH THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. PARAGRAPH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GREG PATILLO. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> Mayor Muns: IT'S TOO LATE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, GREG PATILLO, 29 YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO, I'VE SPOKEN WITH YOU REGARDING THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS NOT OCCUPIED ON PLANO SCHOOLS AND BUY HAVE ASKED YOURSELF WHAT ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT CATER TO THE TRANSIENTS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT AFRAID OF THEM, BECAUSE I ONLY GET THREE MINUTES. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE PARAGRAPH IF WE LOOK AT THE DATA PRESENTED BY THE RESTAURANT TRADE ASSOCIATION FROM 2019, SO THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THE COVID INFLATION ERA NUMBERS, WE LOOK AT AN AVERAGE SPAN OF TEXAS $2,700 A YEAR PER PERSON IN RESTAURANT SPEND. THE AVERAGE TICKET PRICE IS ABOU. SO EACH PERSON EATS OUT ABOUT 250 SOME ODD TIMES A YEAR. SO FOR A SER TO EQUATE THAT, IT HAS TO BE OCCUPIED FOR ONE MEAL, 67% OF THE TIME. NOW, IF YOU GO FOR TWO MEALS A DAY, THEN THE OCCUPANCY GOES TO 33%. SO IS THERE A BIG WIN FOR STRs? NOT REALLY. BUT THEY'LL CLAIM IT. SO THE REALITY IS THAT MOST OF US WHO TRAVELED AND ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE AREA WE WERE TRAVELING TO DO NOT USE THE YELLOW PAGES THAT IS STUFFED IN THE NIGHT STAND OF OUR HOTEL, WE NOW USE THIS. SO RESTAURANTS, WHILE THEY MARKET TO LOCAL RESIDENTS THROUGH MEDIA CAMPAIGNS, PRINT ADS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT MONEY IS WASTED ON HOMES THAT ARE NOT OWNER OCCUPIED STRs, WHICH RAISES THEIR CUSTOMER ACQUISITION COST TO GET RECOGNIZED HERE, IT GETS EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE, WHICH RAISES TIR CUSMER ACQUISITION COST EVEN MORE. SO TO GET THEIR MONEY BACK, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A, AVERAGE THAN HIGHER TICKET COST PLUS REPEAT BUSINESS. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO WHAT WE LOOK AT AS THE OTHER THING IS WHAT KEEPS THEM IN PLANO, TO ACTUALLY SPEND THEIR MONEY ON A RESTAURANT, AND THERE IN LIES THE OTHER ISSUE, IS WE HAVE CITIES CLOSE TO US THAT ARE INVESTING HEAVILY IN TOURISM. TOURISM LOCATION.OMINENT AND SO WE ARE AT ODDS WITH BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT A TOURISM INDUSTRY UNLESS WE TEAR DOWN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND BUILD NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL RECOGNIZED MUSEUMS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WHAT THEY WILL CLAIM AS A BIG WIN WILL BE A WIN FOR SOME RESTAURANTS, PRIMARILY THOSE ON A LEGACY WEST AREA THAT BORDER WITH THE TOURIST INDUSTRY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO GOLD STAR HERE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LET ME REASSURE, I'LL REASSURE THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE AS WELL, WE'RE DOING PUBLIC OUTREACH, I'VE COMMITTED TO MR. FRANCE AND TO THE GROUPS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT WE'RE THOROUGH IN MAKING SURE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AS A CHANCE FOR FEEDBACK IN THIS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING BACK THAT THIRD PARTY GROUP TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY, THAT WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT ALLOW US TO HAVE THE NUMBER AND THE QUALITY OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, SO WE'RE COMMITTING TO DOING THAT, WE WILL STAY IN COMMUNICATION SO WE ALLOW EVERYBODY TO KNOW THE DATES AND TIMES THOSE ARE AVAILABLE, BUT LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION, BEING ABLE TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE THE RESULTS OF SOME OF THOSE EFFORTS, SO WITH THAT, IF COUNCIL IS OKAY, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. >> CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD EVERYBODY OKAY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 3, COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAD TWO COUNCILMEMBERS REQUEST FOR A BRIEFING ON CHODOS WITHIN PLANO, IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE WITH SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE GOING ON TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS BACK AND BRING THIS BACK, WE HAVE LAURIE SWARZ AND JANET EADEN TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. >> GOOD EVENING, WE HAVE A VERY BRIEF SLIDE SET TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME GENERAL INFORMATION THAT WAS PART OF THE MEMO. JUST FOR EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE, COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION OR A CHODO IS DEFINED BY HUD. LISTED FOR YOU ON THE SLIDE IS ALSO ACTIVITS, PRIMARILY THE CONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION ACQUISITION OF HOUSING. SO HUD DOES REQUIRE A 15% CHDO SET ASIDE FOR HOME FUNDS, WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO SET ASIDE 15% OF THOSE FUNDS FOR CHDOs, THE CHDO HAS TO ACT AS OWNER, DEVELOPER, OR SPONSOR, THAT IS ELIGIBLE SET ASIDE ACTIVITY AND ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES HAVE TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF THE HOME ALLOCATION. THESE ARE THE STATUS OF THE REQUIRED 15% CHDO SET ASIDES. 2017 AND 2018 HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO A PARTNER, THOSE NUMBERS ARE THERE, YOU CAN SEE IT GOES UP VERY SLIGHTLY EACH YEAR. AND THEN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANO CHDOs, WE'VE HAD TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE PARTNERED WITH US, THE FIRST ONE FROM 2004 TO 2017, THE PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION, AND FROM 2017 TO CURRENT IS THE HOUSING CHANNEL. JUST AS A NOTE HERE, ON THE SLIDE, THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN BE CERTIFIED BY A CHDOs. THOSE TWO THINGS JUST TO NOTE, AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. PARAGRAPH. >> >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, JULIE. >> THE 15% THAT IS SET ASIDE, THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE SET ASIDE, IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, IS THERE ANY PENALTY OTHER THAN NEEDING TO RETURN THE MONEY. >> WE CAN ASK FOR EXTENSIONS AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, PARTICULARLY ON THINGS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS MARKETS CHANGED, IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM FOR THE PROJECT, WE'VE ASKED FOR EXTENSION, IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE HUD IS NO LONGER WILLING TO OFFER US THE EXTENSIONS, IT WOULD RETURN, IT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF OUR FEDERAL ACCOUNT THAT IT IS JUST SET ASIDE IN, AND IT WOULD GO BAB IN THE GENERAL HOME FUN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS. >> OKAY, BUT THERE'S NO USING THOSE DOLLARS. NOT >> NO. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: SHELBY? >> Williams: YES, THANK YOU LAURIE. IN THE WRITEUP WE WERE GIVEN, IT SAYS THAT, AND AS YOU JUST REVIEWED, IT SAYS PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION WAS YOUR CHDO UNTIL 2017, BUT IN THE WRITEUP, IT SAYS THEY RECEIVED FUNDS FROM US ONLY UNTIL 2014. WHAT HAPPENED DURING THAT GAP. >> THAT MIGHT BE A TYPO. IS THAT A TYPO. >> 2014 APPEARS TWICE IN TWO SEPARATE PARAGRAPHS, AND THEN IT SAYS SOIRST ITERATION IS THEY RECEIVED FROM 1999 CONTINUED TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS AND HOME FUNDS FROM THE CITY EVERY YEAR UNTIL 2014. THREE PARAGRAPHS BELOW, FROM 199 TO 2014, THE ORGANIZATION APPLIED FOR FUNDS ANNUALLY AND RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 1.7 MILLION OVER 15 YEARS, SO THAT 15 YEARS ALSO SAYS TO 2014, THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IT SAYS 2017, TERMINATE TIR EXISTING HOME CONTRACT. >> I DO KNOW WE HAVE SOME FUNDS RETURNED TO US, AND THAT IS PART OF THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP, ARE THOSE THE FUNDS THAT CAME FROM THE 2015, 2016 PROGRAM YEAR? OKAY. SO THAT IS THE ANSWER. WE DID PROVIDE THEM FUNDING FOR THAT -- TO THAT ORGANIZATION TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT MONEY. THAT MONEY ENDED UP BEING RETURNED TO US IN THAT CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED BY THE PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION, AND THAT MONEY WAS THE MONEY THAT WE THEN TURNED AROUND AND REDISTRIBUTED TO THE HOUSING CHANNEL, WHEN THAT TERMINATEDONTRACT WAS PRESENTED TO US. >> Williams: AFTER 2017. >> YES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE -- THERE'S A TIME PERIOD THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE -- ONCE WE ALLOCATED, THERE'S A TIME PERIOD TAT THEY HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO COMPLETE PROJECTS OR AT LEAST TO TAKE STEPS THROUGH THE PROJECT, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE MONEY TO YOU ON JANUARY 1, 2023, YOU HAVE UP TO TWO YEARS, AND I'M GOING TO LET SHANETTE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THESE ARE DETAILED FEDERAL REGULATIONS, I'M DOING MY BEST, THEY CAN GET CONFUSING AT TIMES, BUT SHE IS OUR EXPERT,FOU STARTED ON JANUARY 1, 2023, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE YEARS IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY THAT PROJECT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE SPENDING THAT FUND ON, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, IS IT THREE YEARS AT THAT POINT? OKAY. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, SO JUST MAKING SURE I'M RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS TO ACTUALLY EXPEND THOSE FUNDS BY COMPLETING THE PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A HOME, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A TIME TO FIND THE HOME, ONCE YOU FIND THE HOME, YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S THE TYPE OR PROJECT THAT YOU WANT TO PURCHASE, AND THEN IT COULD TAKE UP TO THREE YEARS TO DO ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S REQUIRED TO GET A LOW-TO-MODERATE INCOME HOME BUYER INTO THAT HOUSE, THERE'S A PROCESS, FIVE YEARS IS THE TIME LINE, WE'VE ASKED FOR EXTENSIONS BEFORE, AND THAT HAS BEEN GRANTED, HUD HAS BEEN WILLING TO WORK WITH US, THERE COMES A POINT WHERE THEY SAY, NO, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT MONEY SPENT. >> Williams: OKAY. THEN AM I CORRECT IN INFERRING FROM THAT THERE WERE HUD FUNDS AVAILABLE, THERE WERE HOME FUNDS AVAILABLE IN 2015-16, BUT THEN THEY WERE RETURNED IN 2017? >> UH-HUH. >> Williams: OKAY. PARAGRAPH AND THE REASON THEY CITED WAS DUE TO RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. >> THAT IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IN WRITING, YES, SIR. >> Williams: IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IN THE PRECEDING THREE YEARS THAT FUNDS GRANTED IN PRIOR YEARS WEREN'T USED? PARAGRAPH. >> WEREN'T USED? >> BETWEEN 2014, 2017, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT. >> THAT WAS THE MONEY THAT WAS BEING -- THAT WAS RETURNED. SO IN OTHER WORDS, UP UNTIL 2014, JUST REMEMBER IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 2014, THAT COULD BE USED ALL THE WAY UP TO 2019. >> Williams: RIGHT. >> SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU'VE GOT SORT OF SHIFTING PROJECTS, IT ALLOCATED IN A PARTICULAR YEAR, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLETED IN A YEAR. MULTIPLE PROGRAM YEARS YEARS MULTIPLE PROJECTS GOING WITH DIFFERENT DEADLINES, SO THOSE PROJECTS UP UNTIL 2014, IF IT WAS USING 2014 MONEY, THEY COULD STILL HAVE BEEN FINISHING THOSE UP IN THE 2016, 17 TIME FRAME. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE ALLOCATED MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM IN THE 2015, 2016 PROGRAM YEARS WERE RETURNS THAT WERE RETURNED. >> Wliam OKAY, AND SO WHY I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND PRESUMABLY THERE WAS STILL ACTIVITY GOING ON DURING 2014 TO 2017 WITH PREVIOUSLY AWARDED AND ALLOCATED FUNDS. >> YES. >> Williams: IF -- IF THAT THREE YEAR GULF ONLY MEANT TO SAY THAT THAT -- THOSE THREE YEARS REPRESENTED MONEY AWARDED DURING THOSE YEARS, BUT THEN RETURNED AND SO THE MONEY WAS NEVER USED, THAT IS WHAT I FOUND NOT EXPLAINED IN HERE. IS THERE A REASON THE RETURN OF THE FUNDS WASN'T DISCUSSED IN HERE? >> AS FAR AS -- I MEAN, WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE REASON THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT THE FUNDS WERE RETURNED. >> Willias: I MEAN, WITHIN THE -- THE WRITEUP. >> IT -- WHEN YOU READ ON JULY 12th, 2017, THAT THEY REQUESTED TO TERMINATE THEIR EXISTING HOME CONTRACT AND THY STATED THAT IT WAS DUE T RISING CONSTRUCTION COST, THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FOR RETURNING THE FUNDS. >> Williams: RIGHT. WHAT I MEAN IN THE WRITEUP, DIDN'T ENCOUNTER ANY MENTION OF RU RETURNED FUNDS, THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS DUE TO WITHDRAWAL AS A CHDO, THERE WERE 187,000 THAT HAD BEEN SET AS SIDE FOR CREATION OF HOUSING UNITS. THAT WAS THE MONEY, IN ORDER FOR US TO RETAIN THAT, I'M SORRY IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR, THAT WAS -- ONCE THEY STOPPED BY A CHDO, THAT MONEY THEN HAD TO BE ALLOCATED TO ANOTHER CHDO OR WE HAD TO ASK FOR -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE AT MAX EXTENSION AT THAT POINT, BUT WE HAD TO FIND SOMODY ELSE TO USE THAT FUNDING AS A CHDO OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT FUNDING. >> Williams: OKAY, SO THAT 187,000 WASN'T MERELY FUNDS THAT WE HAD RECEIVE AND HAD BEEN UNAWARDED, IT HAD BEEN GRANTED, ALLOCATED TO PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION, AND THEN RETURNED? >> YES. >> Williams: OKAY. >> YES. >> Williams: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: GRADY? >> Smith : WE RETURNED 92,000 AND SOMETHING THAT WASN'T UTILIZED. WHAT PERCENTAGE DID THAT REPRESENT OF THE 15% SET ASIDE, HOW MUCH WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO UTILIZE TO DO SOMETHING WITH VERSUS WHAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE. >> WERE YOU ASKING FOR 2023 OR -- > >> Smith : 22 NUMBER. >> WE STILL HAVE IT IN A LOCKS ACCOUNT, IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY IN THE CITY'S POSITION. IT IS SITTING IN A FEDERAL LOCKS ACCOUNT THAT WHEN WE ARE READY TO HAVE A PTNER THAT IS WILLING TO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS AS A CHDO, THEN WE SIMPLY ASK HUD FOR THAT ALLOCATION AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. >> Smith : OKAY, SO THE THREE YEARS THAT YOU LISTED, THE FUNDS ARE STILL AVAILABLE? >> YES. >> Smith : GUESS, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE WE ABLE -- HOW MUCH DO WE GIVE OUT OF THAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE THE 70, 80, 90,000 EACH YEAR LEFT OVER THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE. >> SO ALL OF THAT MON RIGHT NOW IS IN SINGL LKS ACCOUNT, AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IS IF WE HAD A CHDO THAT CAME AND SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION THROUGH OUR PROCESS, AND IT'S GOING THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATED -- CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS, IF THEY SUBMITTED IT TO US, CRC WOULD REVIEW IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD USE MULTIPLE YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING FOR, AND THEN THAT MONEY WOULD GO AS PART OF YOUR ACTION PLAN AND YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET, AND AT WOULD GO FOR WASHE T FORWARDD AS A RECOMMEND FOR THAT YEAR, AND THEN AT THAT POINT THAT MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO BE SPENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. >> Smith : OKAY. >> BUT UNTIL WE HAVE -- UNTIL WE HAVE A PROPOSAL, IT JUST SITS THERE. >> Smith : THIS IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHDO THAT WAS AVAILABLE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH EVEN TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS DURING THIS TIME PERIOD? WE STILL HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE DOES SHOW UP. >> WE HAVEN'T HAD AN APPLICATION. >> Smith : RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT, OKAY. >> SO WE DO HAVE A CHDO RIGHT NOY FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER YEARS, I BELIEVE 2017, 2018, JUST 2018 AT THIS POINT, THEY HAVE 200,000 THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO BE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO EXPEND IT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR RIGHT? YES. SO COVID DID END UP CHANGING SOME THINGS. >> Smith : RIGHT. >> AND THERE WAS A LOT OF REALLOCATION, A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THAT CAME DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, SO I THINK WE HAVE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH HUD. I MEAN, WE TALKED TO THEM PRETTY MUCH WEEKLY, MONTHLY, AND SO THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, AND SO IF WE HAD A CHDO THAT CAME DURING THIS GRANT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, WE WOULD LOVE TO PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY. >> Smith : OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING ADDITIONAL THAT WE AS THE CITY COULD BE DOING TO INCENTIVIZE OR GET SOMEONE TO -- >> SOME EXTRA CHDO. >> Smith : YOU THINK IT'S RELATED MORE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TWO OR THREE REALLY STRANGE YEARS STANDARDING WITH COVID, AND THAT HAS HAD OBVIOUSLY A BIG EFFECT ON IT. BUT I JUST WANT -- THE OTHER THING IS IF IT'S NOT REALLY BEING UTILIZED, DO WE NEED TO BE EXPENDING RESOURCES, TIME AND EFFORT ON THE CITY TO DO A PROGRAM LIKE THIS? >> WELL, I WOULD SAY IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE HOUSING NUMBERS FROM PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION, EITHER FROM THE HOUSING CHANNEL, KNOW, HOME FUNDS ARE -- ARE VERY USEFUL TOOL THAT CAN BE USED IN A WAY THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE THROUGH OTHER TYPES OF FUNDING. YOU KNOW, THE -- I KNOW THAT ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S STILL NEEDS TO BE THIS RESERVATION OF THESE 15% CHDO SET ASIDES BUT THAT IS REALLY ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A MUNICIPALITY CAN MAKE A CHOICE ABOUT. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE CHDO, THAT'S -- THERE'S -- WE'VE HAD VERY SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIPS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS. WE HAVE APPROACHED SOME OF OUR EXISTING PARTNERS THAT ARE NOT CHDOs, RIGHT NOW, AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BECOMING A CHDO, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PARTICULAR SET OF MONEY THAT RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 350,000, IF THAT IS ABOUT RIGHT, ABOUT, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD ASSISTANCE FOR A LOCAL NONPROFIT TO BE ABLE TO DO A PROJECT OR MULTIPLE PROJECTS REALLY WITH THAT, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL GET SOME APPLICATIONS. WE HOPE THAT WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL CHDOs IF THERE'S INTEREST. >> Smith : ONE FINAL QUESTION OE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND I GUESS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, WOULD SAY TAKING A DELAPIDATED SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WOULD THAT BE ELIGIBLE FO THEM TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND REHAB A SINGLE FAMILY THAT NEEDED -- >> THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL THEY DO. >> Smith : I'M SURPRISED I HAVEN'T HEARD MORE ABOUT THEM DOING THAT. IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY. THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW SOMEHOW YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE, BUT GET MORE FOLKSO -- >> AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD FOR COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRIORITIZE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL CHDOs, WE CAN DEVOTE SOME STAFF TIME TO TRYING TO DO THAT IF THAT IS THE INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL. WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY PEOPLE, AND WE'VE ALSO APPROACHED PEOPLE, AND WE'RE JUST HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL GET THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND THAT WE CAN CERTIFY ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AS CHDOs FOR US, SO YES. >> Smith : GREAT, THANKS, APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN GRY. >> Grady: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPINION. IF A CHDO BUYS A HOME FOR $120,000 AND REHABS IT FOR 60, AND THEN SELLS IT FOR $200,000, WHO GETS THE $20,000 GAIN ON THE SALE? >> SO ON -- SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AN ORGANIZATION? >> YEAH, A CHDO. >> A CHDO? A CHDO WOULD KEEP THAT, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT THE CHDO WOULD KEEP. .> Grady: THE CHDO KEEPS IS THE ANY RESTRICTION ON USING HOME FUNDS, IF WE HAVE A RESTRICTION ON HOME FUNDS OF SAY $55,000 ON ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, IF A PROJECT IS $60,000, IS THAT BEYOND THE RESTRICTION THAT COUNCIL SET? >> SO I THINK YOU'RE COMBINING AMOUNTS HERE, SO -- >> Grady: OKAY. >> THE 55,000 AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IS THE LIMIT IS TYPICALLY WITH OUR -- OUR CITY HOME REHAB, AND SO THAT IS ONE SET OF 55. THE OTHER PART IS ITS CLOSING COSTS, SO WE WILL ASSIST UP TO 55,000, THAT NUMBER EXISTS IN PLACES, BUT IN THE CHDOs, USUALLY I THINK WE'RE GIVING, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 90, 100,000 PER HOUSE IS USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT CHDOs OFTEN NONPROFITS, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN FUNDING THAT THEY ARE RECYCLING FOR THEIR MISSION OF THEIR ORGANIZATION. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY -- MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE GETTING REAL CLOSE TO BREAKING EVEN, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY SEE PROFIT IN A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, SO A CHDO WOULD BE TYPICALLY TAKING WHATEVER THOSE FUNDS WERE AND ROLLING THAT BACK INTO THEIR MISSION WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSINGER POSSIBLY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT. >> Grady: OKAY. IF A CHDO BUY AS HOME FOR 200,000, AND THEY REHAB IT FOR 40 -- WITH $40,000, AND THEY SELL IT FOR $300,000, THERE'S A GAIN OF ABOUT 60,000 ON THE SALE. IS -- CAN A BUYER OF THAT HOME THEN USE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER FUNDS OF $10,000? >> NO. SO I'M GOING TO LET SHANETTE ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS GETTING INTO SORT OF SPECIFICS, I'M GOING TO LET HER DO THAT. >> SO IT DEPENDS. WHAT HUD SAYS IS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE HOME BUYER NEEDS TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. SO FOR INSTANCE, WE WILL NOT GIVE A HOME BUYER MORE AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE, BE IT 10, WE HAVE ONE THAT IS QUIRKY, 89, 740 OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY NEEDED. THEM MORE MONEY TO WHERE A HOME BUYER IS GOING TO COME OUT WITH CASH. OR ANYBODY IS GOING TO COME OUT WITH CASH LIKE THAT. IT'S ONLY WHAT THEY NEED. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SUBSIDY LAYERING AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH HOME MONEY WAS SPENT HAD THAT PROJECT, AND HOW MUCH MONEY IS ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR THAT LOW INCOME HOME BUYER TO BUY IT. SO IT WON'T BE CONSISTENT. WE CAN'T SAY 10,000 FOR YOU, 55,000 FOR YOU, 45 FOR YOU. WE REALLY DO HAVE TO DO THE MATH TO SEE WHAT IN THE END IS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO CLOSE. >> >> Grady: ONE LAST EXAMPLE. SAY A HOUSE IS WORTH 80,000, BUT I BUY IT FOR 160,000 AND THEN PUT $90,000 IN REHAB AND SELL IT FOR 200,000. I HAVE A NET LOSS OF 50,000. WHO EATS THE $50,000 LOSS? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A CHDO? >> Grady: CHDO. >> CHDO WOULD EAT THE LOSS. AND I GUESS ABOUT THE MISSION, I DON'T THINK THAT AS A NONPROFIT ABOUT PROFIT. THEY'RE ABOUT - TRYING TO PROVIDE AFFORDAE HOUSING. SO THEY PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING ABLE TO MEET THE MISSION AND NOT REALLY AS A LOSS PER SE. BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS OFTEN MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE COST FOR MARKET. SO THAT'S A LOT OF THE REASON WHY YOU HEAR SO MANY CHALLENGES WITH BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE EXPENSIVE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE CHDOS AND THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ARE SUCH GREAT PARTNERS FOR US. >> Grady: MM-HMM. WE HAD A CHDO. WE FORMED THAT CHDO IN THE CITY OF PLANO. IT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF THAT FORMED IT. IT WAS CALLED PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION. WE FUNDED IT UP THROUGH 2015. WE ALSO PROVIDED IT ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS SO THEY COULD COVER ADMIN COSTS. AND THEN THAT STOPPED AS COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS POINTED OUT, THAT THAT ALL CAME TO A OF TIME AND A NEW CHDO COMES IN AND USES THE FUNDS IN 2017, THE VERY LAST EXAMPLE HE GAVE WAS WHAT THEY USE THE FUNDS FOR. THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR 160,000 THAT WAS WORTH 80. THE LAND ON THAT WAS PROBABLY WORTH 40. HOUSE ITSELF WAS PROBABLY WORTH 40. IT WAS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. THEY SPENT $90,000 HAVING AN $80,000 HOME. SOLD FOR 200 AND HAD A LOSS OF 50. THE ISSUE WAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I SAW. SO IN LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS WAS IN THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY, I STARTED RETHINKING HOW WE REALLY NEED TO DEAL WITH COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE CITY. WE HAD ONE. IT WAS -- HAD A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT WERE PEOPLE THAT LIVED HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT HAD PEOPLE WORKING AND HAD PEOE ON THE BOARD THAT HAD BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY WERE BUILDERS, WERE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO I WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT HOUSING CHANNEL AND REALIZED UNDER HUD RULES YOU CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION AND HAVE A CHDO FROM ANOTHER LOCATION COME HERE. BUT LOOKING AT THEIR CHARTER AND LOOKING AT THEIR 990, THEY ARE CHARTERED FOR ARLINGTON, FT. WORTH, AND TARAN COUNTY. THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY LINEAGE BETWEEN HOUSING CHANNEL AND PLANO OTHER THAN WE ALLOWED THEM TO COME IN, TAKE $187,000 AND DO SOME WORK WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO. AND AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THE ISSUE WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY EASIER HAD WE RETURNED THE MONEY TO HUD THAN WHAT WE DID IN THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. NOW, SO MY FEELING, COUNCIL, IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHDO HERE IN THE CITY, IT NEEDS TO BE A CHDO THAT IS ALIGNED WH THE CITY OF PLA. IT NEEDS TO HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT ONE-THIRD OF IT, THE MEMBERS ARE EITHER FROM A LOW INCOME AREA WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO OR ARE LOW INCOME THEMSELVES. AND SO I TOOK A LOOK AT TITLE XXIV OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS PART 92 THAT DEFINES A CHDO, AND HERE'S WHAT THE THINK I THINK THAT A CHDO NEEDS. A CHDO NEEDS A CLEARLY DEFINE THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. AND I DON'T SEE THAT ARLINGTON AND FT. WORTH AND TARRANT COUNTY, TEXAS REALLY DEFINE TEXAS. I REALLY DON'T. A CHDO IS INTENDED TO RESPOND TO -- AND I EMPHASIZE THIS -- A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. THAT'S A QUOTE RIGHT OUT OF THE GUIDE FROM HUD, WHICH IS A CHDO IS INTENDED TO RESPOND TO A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. AND THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY TO ME IS PLANO. IT'S NOT ARLINGTON. IT'S NOT FT. WORTH, IT'S NOT TARRANT COUNTY. I'M SURE THEY DO VERY GOOD WORK OVER THERE. I'M SURE THEY DO, BECAUSE THEY'RE A -- THEY'RE GENERATING $15.5 MILLION IN GROSS RECEIPTS IN THE PAST YEAR AND HAVE ASSETS OF $32 MILLION. AND I WISH THAT OUR CHDO HAD $32 MILLION IN ASSETS. I WISH OUR CHDO WAS GENERATING FOR OUR COMMUNITY $15 MILLION IN REVENUE. AND I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S WANT AS LARGE AS TARRANT COUNTY, NOT AS LARGES FT. WORTH, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, WE CAN DO THAT. AND WE CAN BE GENERATING THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE THE GAIN TO REAFFIRM -- REAMPLIFY. THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHARTERS OF CHDO ARE THE MAIN INDICATOR OF THE COMMUNITY CONTROL OVER THE CHDO. AGAIN, A QUOTE RIGHT OUT OF THE HUD BOOK. IF THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE MEMBER ON IT THAT IS FROM PLANO, WE HAVE NO INDICATOR OF COMMUNITY CONTROL OVER THE CHDO HERE. JUST DON'T. A MINIMUM OF ONE-THIRD OF THE BOARD MUST -- AND I'LL EMPHASIZE THE WORD MUST -- CONSIST OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITY. AND I'LL EMPHASIZE AGAIN THE WORD "THE." IT DOESN'T SAY THE WORD "A." IT SAYS "THE". A CHDO MUST DEMONSTRATE AT LEAST ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE SERVICING THE COMMUNITY WHERE IT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE HOME-ASSISTED HOUSING. HOUSING CHANNEL REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF EXPERIENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN THEY CAME HERE TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY DID. WORK THAT, AGAIN, I REALLY WASN'T SATISFIED WITH. SO IN ALL OF THAT -- I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE POINTS SO THAT I BELABOR THIS ANY FURTHER. MY POINT IS REALLY THIS: WE NEED, AGAIN, LIKE WE USED TO HAVE HERE, A CHDO THAT IS DEDICATED TO PLANO, THAT'S BOOTS ON THE GUND HERE IN PLANO, THAT HAS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT REPRESENTS OUR POPULATION HERE, OUR LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES HERE, OUR NEEDS HERE. WE NEED A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT HAS A BUILDER ON I THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH BUILDING IN THE CITY OF PLANO, NOT ARLINGTON, NOT FT. WORTH, NOT TARRANT COUNTY, NOT WACO, NOT SAN ANTONIO. HERE. AND SO MY FEELING IS ONE OF TWO. WE CAN EITHER HELP DEVELOP A CHDO AGAIN THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY OF PLANO. WE CAN GO TO EXISTING CHDOs THAT USED TO REPRESENT, OR WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THE MONEY AND REVERT IT BACK TO HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE HAVE A CHDO THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY. AND THAT REALLY IS THE MAJOR POINT THAT I HAVE, IS THAT CHDO SHOULD REALLY REPRESENT THE CITY OF PLANO IN ALL OF ITS FACETS, BY THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT HUD BASICALLY SAYS. AND AS I MENTIONED MANY, MANY TIMES, IT SAYS IN THERE THAT IT REPRESENTS THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITY, AND IT'S NOT JUST ONCE. IT'S MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT IT SAYS THAT. AND IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY. IT IS THE COMMUNITY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE EITHER HAVE A CHDO THAT REALLY REPRESENTS PLANO OR WE DON'T USE THE CHDO FUNDS AND WE EITHER RETURN THEM OR WE FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS. BUT HAVING THE CHDO FROM EPLA ELSE DSN'T MAKE ANY SEE TOE. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, REAL QUICK, COUNCILMAN GRADY AND I HAVE SPENT SOME TIME ON THIS TOPIC DISCUSSING, AND THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP RECENTLY IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT GROWING A CHDO FROM THE PLANO COMMUNITY. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT STAFF AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE WITH OUR NONPROFITS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY HERE OVER THE NEXT MONTH. IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE FOCUSES WE'VE HAD GOING INTO '23 IS RE-ESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS AND DOING OUTREACH WITH A LOT OF OUR NONPROFITS AND KEY PARTNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NONPROFITS ABOUT THE ABILITY TO GROW THAT RELATIONSHIP AND GROW THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LOCAL CHDO. SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE DIRECT STAFF AND MYSELF TO GO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND COME BACK ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR SOME OF THOSE FOLKS TO EITHER TAKE ON THAT ROLE, GROW INTO THAT ROLE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, AND THEN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THE INTEREST AND POSSIBILITY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS WITH SINCERITY. THIS DOES IMPORTANT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT NEED THESE FUNDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS NEVER MY GOAL TO RETURN A SINGLE DIME THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I WANT TO USE IT HERE. I DON'T EVER WANT TO HAVE TO REPAY IT EITHER. I WANT IT TO GO TO USE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, WITH SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS, AND THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS CHDOs, CURRENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR CHDOs, AND ALL THAT, AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IF COUNCIL GIVES THAT DIRECTION, STAFF AND I WILL GO TO WORK, AND WE WILL COME BACK AND REPORT ONCE WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> (OFF MIC). (LAUGHTER) YOU, MAYOR. SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION GOING OFF OF THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCILMEMBER GRADY BROUGHT UP REGARDING THE HOME REHABILITATION IN THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. I ALSO HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS OF THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY WHO FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE THAT ONE HOME MAY HAVE GOTTEN FIXED UP, THE IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES AND THUS TAXES WAS NOT NECESSARILY A POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THAT BROUGHT UP A COROL WE HAVE OVER THE PROJECT THAT THE CHDO DOES. DO WE JUST PICK A CHDO AND ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS AND THEN THEY DO SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA OR THEY COME TO US WITH A SPECIFIC PROJECT AND SAY THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND THEN WE SAY OKAY, THEN WE'LL ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS TO YOU? >> WANT ME TO TRY? I'LL TAKE A SHOT AND LET SHANETTE FILL IT IN. SO WE ARE ONLY AWARE OF ONE PROJECT THAT WAS COMPLETED BY OUR CURRENT CHDO, THE HOUSING CHANNEL, THAT WAS THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT A CHDO CAN WORK HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. THERE IS ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS COMPLETED THERE. WE HAVE REVIEWED, AND IF THERE IS INTEREST FROM THE COUNCIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. WHAT THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED FOR, HOW MUCH MONEY WAS PUT INTO IT FROM THE HOME FUNDS, WHAT THEY SOLD IT FOR, AND EVEN WHAT THE MARKET VALUES WERE AT THE TIME THE HOUSE WAS SOLD. WE CAN LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT WAS IN COMPARISON TO OTHER MARKET HOMES. I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT VERY ENLIGHTENING. WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHE HOUSE THAT I THINK HAS BEEN CONFUSED AT TIMES THAT WAS A PROPERTY COMPLETED BY THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE CITY OF PLANO. THAT IS ALSO WITHIN THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY, AND THERE WERE ALSO HOME FUNDS USED. IT WAS A DEMOLITION OF A HOUSE AND I -- A CONSUCTI. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WAS PUT INTO THOSE HOUSES AND HOW THAT WAS SET UP >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION, I APPRECIATE THAT. >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. >> Ricciardelli: BUT I WAS -- THAT WAS MORE OF JUST -- I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LENGTHY LEAD-IN, BUT THAT WAS MORE OF A LEAD-IN TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH CONTROL DO WE HAVE OVER WHAT A CHDO DOES IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO YOU? DO THEY SAY WE'RE DOING THIS EXACT THING AND (SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKERS) >> TYPICALLY COUNCIL DOES NOT SEE THE INDIVUAL PROJECT, SO I'LL LET SHANETTE EXPLAIN. >> THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATED PROCESS, A NONPROFIT DEVELOPER WILL COME SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. AND THERE'S WHAT HUD CALLS A FUNDING AGREEMENT. SO FOR INSTANCE, NONPROFIT DEVELOPER CAN SAY HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL AWARD THEM, LET'S SAY, $160,000, RIGHT? IT'S APPROVED IN THE ACTION PLAN. AT THAT TIME OF THE ALLOCATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A PROJECT YET. SO WE DO A FUNDING AGREEMENT. HOWEVE PROJECTS, THEN WE DO SITE-SPECIFIC AGREEMENTS WITH THEM WHERE WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT -- THEY TELL US HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT. WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING HERE BECAUSE HUD MAKES US LOOK AT HOW MUCH HOME MONEY IS TOO MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH HOME MONEY IS ENOUGH? THEY EVEN TELL US WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SELL IT FOR IN ADVANCE SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S USING THAT INFORMATION THAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR A SITE-SPECIFIC AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AND THEN WE SIGN IT AND THEN WE GO. SO THERE'S A FUNDING AGREEMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ACTION PLAN. OR -- YEAH, THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ACTION PLAN. AND THEN ONCE THEY FIND PROJECTS, IT'S A SITE-SPECIFIC AGREEMENT FOR EACH PROJECT. SO WE DO HAVE A HAND IN SAYING, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS TOO HIGH. OR WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. ARE YOU WILLING TO EAT THE COST? OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIGN THIS SITE-SPECIFIC CONTRACT WITH THEM. BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE WHAT HUD DECIDES IS REASONABLE, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT TO THEM WHEN THEY COME IN TO AUDIT US >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU. AT'S GREAT INFOATIO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO JUST A FOLLOWUP QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS, BUT HAVING RECEIVED FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT I BELIEVE WAS A CHDO PROJECT OR COULD HAVE BEEN THE OTHER PROJECT YOU WERE MENTIONING, LORI, I'M WONDERING WHEN THAT SITE-SPECIFIC AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, ARE AREA RESIDENTS AWARE OF THAT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK TO SAY THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT TT WOULD B HELPFUL IN OUR COMMUNITY? THIS TYPE OF PROJECT MIGHT NOT BE AS HELPFUL? IS THERE FEEDBACK DURING THAT PROCESS? >> SO THE ONLY FEEDBACK WE RECEIVE TYPICALLY IS DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING WHEN WE HAVE THE ACTION PLAN. SO THE ACTION PLAN WILL DETAIL EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF WE'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE REHAB AND REHABILITATE A HOME, IT SAYS IT THERE. AND SO THAT BEING SAID, WHEN A NONPROFIT, EITHER WHEN IT WAS PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION, HOUSING CHANNEL, BITAT FOR HUMANI, CHRIST UNITED METHODIST, THEY'VE DONE SOME FORM OF REHAB, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR COMBINATION OF THE TWO HERE IN OUR CITY. IT NEVER COMES BACK AGAIN TO ASK FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THE ACTIVITIES THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR. SO THE PUBLIC INPUT WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER THAT ACTIVITY IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO SEE IS SOMETHING THAT GOES ON WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE BEGINNING. >> REAL QUICK. IS THAT THE MINIMUM THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTREQUIRES? COULD THE CITY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> DEFINITELY, WE COULD GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. >> Ricciardelli: CITY MANAGER, I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT. I APPRECIATE SHANETTE AND LORI AND MARK, ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK. >> Mayor Muns: IF I MAY -- THIS MAY HELP YOU. RIGHT OUT OF THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, THESE TWO SENTENCES EXIST, BOTH OF THEM ARE QUOTES. THE CHDO MUST ALSO PROVIDE A FORMAL PROCESS FOR LOW INCOME PROGRAM BENEFICIARIES TODVISE T SITES, DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS REQUIREMENT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR CHDOs SERVING A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA WHERE IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE FOR A CHDO TO HAVE LOW INCOME BOARD REPRESENTATION FROM EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THE CHDO WILL DEVELOP OWNER SPONSOR SHIP HOUSING. I READ THAT AS SAYING THE CHDO NEEDS TO REACH OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ING AND HE A CONDUIT SO THAT THE CITIZENS CAN COMMUNICATE BACK. >> Ricciardelli: AND I'LL JUST CONCLUDE MY REMARKS BY SAYING I THINK EVEN IF WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT EVEN GETTING INTO THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCILMEMBER GRADY JUST READ, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT CERTAINLY MAKES IT ADVISABLE TO GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS WE CAN. WHETHER IT'S ZONING, EXPE EXPENDITURES OR ANYTHING, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL TO GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITIES AS WE CAN. THANK YOU >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SOUNDS LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE. I APPRECIATE YOU ARTICULATING DIRECTION. I DEFINITELY AGREE WE NEED OUR CHDOs TO BE LOCAL AND INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON THE NEXT STEPS HERE, IT SAYS ARE THERE SPECIFIC GOALS FOR CHDO ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PRIORITIZE. I KIND OF HAVE A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND, GIVEN OUR MARKET RATES NOW, HOW THE CHDOs CAN REHAB AND PURCHASE HOMES. AND BY DOING SO, ARE WE ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING PRICES, THINGS LIKETHAT. SO MY QUESTION IS -- OR MY DIRECTION WOULD BE, IF THIS IS ALLOWED, ASSUMING WE ARE ABLE TO CREATE A LOCAL CHDO INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS OUR HOMES ARE AGING AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING, I'M HEARING A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAYBE OWN THEIR HOMES BUT THEY'RE ON A FIXED INCOME AND ARE NEEDING TO REPLACE THEIR CAST IRON PIPES. IS THAT SOMETHING A CHDO CAN HELP WITH? >> I THINK THAT CAN BE PART OF A PROJECT, CORRECT? >> IT CAN BE PART OF A PROJECT. A CHDO CAN REHAB THE HOMES. BUT WHEN THEY'RE REHABBING A HOME, IT HAS TO BE -- BECAUSE IT'S HOME MONEY, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE. SO LET'S SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE CAST IRON PIPES AND THEY HAVE AN AC UNIT THAT IS JUST FINE, BUT IT'S OLD AND IT'S NOT UP TO CODE. THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE. >> Holmer: IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER? >> NO, JUST INCOME ELIGIBLE. >> Holmer: SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY INPUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE PRIORITIZING, BECAUSE I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE SAYING I OWN MY HOME, ON A FIXED INCOME AND IT'S $50,000 TO REPLACE CAST IRON PIPES. >> PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS WE DO CURRENTLY DO THOSE PROJECTS. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WITH FIXED INCOMES ALSO HAVE ASSETS, AND THAT WILL OFTEN KNOCK THEM OUT OF BEING ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PROPERTY OWNERS. SO YOU KNOW, REALLY THIS GETS INTO SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T MEET THAT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME THRESHOLD. BUT REALLY OUR FIXED IOME AND M ALL THE COMBO THAT ENDS UP HAPPENING THERE. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AS WE HAVE AS FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR HOUSING. BUT WE'LL NEED TO FALL INTO THAT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL AND THAT INCLUDES ASSETS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING WHEN LOOKING AT THESE APPLICATIONS COMING THROUGH. THAT'S REGARDESS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A CITY PROGRAM, A CHDO, OR ANY OTHER NONPROFIT USING OUR FUNDS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING THE GUIDELINES FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME IN THIS AREA. >> Holmer: I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING TH. THAT'S MAYBE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT USING THE GREAT REBATE UPDATE. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW. >> Holmer: OKAY. >> YES. >> Holmer: GOOD TO KNOW. >> Grady: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I'VE HEARD A COUPLE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN HOLMER SAID. I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO KEEP THIS LOCAL. THE OTHER THING THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT I STRONGLY AGREE WITH, WHEN WE GET OUR MONEY BACK, SOME PORTION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE NEED TO KEEP AND UTILIZE IT. NONE OF US, EXCEPT COUNCILMAN GRADY, WHY DID WE ALLOW THE PHC TO SUNSET, AND MIGHT THAT BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD EXPLORE FURTHER TO KEEP IT LOCAL AND KEEP FULL CONTROL OVER IT? >> COUNCILMAN, AS WE GO OUT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS -- AND I SAW HEAD NODS, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AROUND THE DAIS AND MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THOSE, TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHO IS WILLING AND AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. WE'RE HAPPY TO GO OUT AND CONDUCT THAT OUTREACH RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT POSSIBILITIES ARE OUT THERE FOR US. AS Y'ALL KNOW, NONPROFITS TYPICALLY DON'T WORK FOR A PROFIT. THAT MAKES SOME OF THEIR FINANCES AT TIMES A LITTLE BIT STRETCHED AND CAPACITY CAN BE STRETCHED AT TIMES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T HAVE A WILLING PARTNER, THAT THEY WON'T BE OPERATING JUST FINE. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS SO WE KNOW FOR SURE. BUT WE'RE ALSO BEING WELCOMING, INVITING, BUSINESS FRIENDLY, PARTNER FRIENDLY,S WE'RE APPROACHING THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS WE SHOULD HAVE WITH FOLKS THAT ARE DOING IMPORTANT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT I WILL ALSO SAY, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION OF DO WE HAVE ONE CHDO OR DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, IF WE COME BACK AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T FOUND SOMEBODY LOCALLY, WE'LL MAKE THAT REPORT. BUT LET'S GET THROUGH THAT FIRST STEP OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AND THEN WE CAN TALK NUMBERS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT OPTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK FOR CNCIL DISCUSSION. >> THANKS. HOW WILL WE DO IT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT ON COUNCIL. LET'S KEEP THIS THING LOCAL AND MAKE IT WORK LOCALLY FOR US. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. THANK YOU. >> I'LL SAY A FINAL WORD. >> OH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS? >> Williams: YES, MAYOR, THANK YOU. THE HISTORY IN THIS DOCUMENT PREDATES WHEN I CAME TO COUNCIL. BUT I'VE SPOKEN MANY TIMES ON COUNCIL ABOUT MY CONCERNS WITH HOW WE APPROACH LOW INCOME HOUSING, TAX SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND IT STARTED WITH THE PROCESS IN 2019 SHORTLY AFTER I WAS ELECTED. HEARING SOME THINGS HERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I'M LEFT UNCERTAIN ABOUT, SUCH AS WHY THE RISING COST OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD AFFECT PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION BUT NOT HOUSING CHANNEL. THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO IMPACT, I THINK, EVERYBODY EQUALLY. BUT IT DOES RAISE A QUESTION, DID HOUSING CHANNEL, PRIOR TO WORKING WH US, HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN PLANO OR EVEN COLLIN COUNTY? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> NOT IN COLLIN COUNTY, NO, SIR. THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS, THOUGH, OF MOVING AROUND 2017/2018 FROM THE NONPROFIT SOCIAL SERVICE SIDE TO EVEN ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, THERE WERE A LOT OF NONPROFITS LOOKING TO GET INTO THE BOOMING COLLIN COUNTY AREA. THEY KNEW NEED WAS GROWING. WE'VE SEEN IT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH OTHER NONPROFITS FROM OTHER CITIES MOVING INTO COLLIN COUNTY TO SERVE RESIDENTS HERE. BUT WITH HOUSING CHANNEL, WE DID APPROACH THEM AFTER WE COULDN'T GET -- THEY WERE ONE OF FOUR THAT WE MET WITH. WE MET WITH EVEN OUR EXISTING PARTNERS LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SO THEY WERE THE ONE THAT ENDED UP SAYING YES, WE CAN DO IT AND BY THE TIMEFRAME YOU PUT IN FRONT OF US. >> Williams: OKAY. THEN I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK WITH PARTNERS, WHETHER THEY'RE CHDOs OR ANY OTHER PARTNERS WHO OPERATE IN R COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE ALL IN THE METROPLEX AREA, THERE'S A PRETTY RADICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANO AND FT. WORTH. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK WITH PARTNERS WHO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST UNDERSTAND THOSE NEEDS BUT HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE JUST AS WE APPROACH ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES ON THIS DAIS, THE CRITICALITY OF WRAP-AROUND SERVICES THAT REQUIRES LOCAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH LOCAL PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS,O I TNK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE WORK WITH A CHDO THAT HAS A PRESENCE HERE RATHER THAN IN TARRANT COUNTY. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE GOT DIRECTION. >> YES, SIR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM, CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA. >> Ricciardelli: I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM M. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, ALL RIGHT. ANY ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS? >> M AS IN MARY. SORRY, THERE WAS A QUESTION. >> Mor Ms: I G IT. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: AS I BROUGHT UP THE NEED FOR THE CAST IRON REPLACEMENT PIPES, I'D LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GREAT REBATE UPDATE. I THINK IN THEORY, I LIKE IT AND I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING GOOD. AND WITH THIS ADDITIONAL NEED, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE RUN OUT OF THOSE FUNDS EVERY YEAR, CORRECT? I'D LIKE TO EVALUATE IF WE SHOULD BE REIMBURSING COSMETIC THINGS INSIDE HSES D FREE UP DOLLARS IN OTHER ITEMS >> AGREED. >> WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS. I THINK WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HOLMER WANTS IS AN UPDATE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING ON. AND I AGREE. >> WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK. >> Ricciardelli: AND MIGHT I ASK JUST ON THAT ITEM, I'D BROUGHT UP SOME POINTS I THINK AT THE SATURDAY BUDGET WORKSHOP THIS PAST AUGUST REGARDING THE GREAT REBATE. THAT MIGHT BE AN PPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE ALL OF THAT IN ONE AGENDA ITEM. > THOROUGH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE. (LAUGHTER) >> Mayor Muns: WE'LL TAKE A RECESS FOR TWO MINUTES AND RETURN AT 7:00. >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY COUNCILMEMBER RICK GRADY. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND? >> LET US PRAY. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THE PEOPLEERE WITH ME IN THIS ROOM. I THANK YOU THAT YOU'RE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US AND YOU SURROUND US WITH YOUR FAVOR. LORD, I PRAY FOR OUR CITY, AND I ASK THAT YOU BLESS THE CITY OF PLANO. LORD, I PRAY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE A VIBRANT, SAFE, AND SUSTAINABLE CITY. I PRAY THAT THE RESIDENTS, THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER AND SERVE WILL HAVE YOUR STENT, YOUR WISDOM, AND YOUR HEALTH, THAT AS THEIR DAYS ARE, SO SHALL THEIR STRENGTH BE. I ASK THAT YOU BLESS OUR CITY MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, BLESS THEIR FAMILIES, MAY THE LORD BLESS AND PROTECT THEM, SHOW FAVOR AND GUIDE THEM AND GIVE THEM HIS PEACE. THANK YOU, LORD, THAT AS THEY LEAD THE CITY, AS A CITY OF EXCELLENCE, THAT YOU SHOW THEM YOUR WAYS, TEACH THEM YOUR PATHS, AND LEAD THEM. IN THIS YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE). >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, BE SEATED. IT'SY OORTUTY TO TALK ABOUT THE BEST NEIGHBORHOODS PLATINUM DESIGNATION SIGNS, AND THEY'LL BE GIVEN TO THREE PLANO NEIGHBORHOODS. PLANO BEST NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION WAS DEVELOPED TO RECOGNIZE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CREATED A COMMUNITY THAT IS BEAUTIFUL, ENGAGED, SAFE, AND THRIVING, WHICH IS AN ACRONYM FOR B.E.S.T. YEAH, OKAY. (LAUGHTER) SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD SEVERAL FOLKS HERE. LORI SHWARZ, KEISHA SERIANA. STEPHANIE PEACOCK. CONNOR CAMPBELL, HANK JANNICK, JESSICA MADDERN, DENIM VILLAGE, KATHY KANKEL, AND JENNIFER FEMBERVILLE COUNTRY PLACE PLANO HOA PRESIDENT. KEISHA, I GIVE THE MIC TO YOU >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER, WE'RE SO EXCITED TO RECOGNIZE THESE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THIS EVENING. COUNTRY PLACE, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT BOTH THEM AND FOREST CREEK ARE RECERTIFIED, AND WE HAVE A NEW ONE THIS YR WE'REXCITED ABOUT, THAT'S DENIMVILLE IMAGINE. ALL THESE DESERVE A LARGE ROUND OF APPLAUSE. IN THE LAST THREE YEARS IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT AND HARD, BUT THEY'VE STAYED CONNECTED, ENGAGED, CHECKED IN ON NEIGHBORS, STILL CREATE THE BEAUTIFUL, ENGAGED, SAFE, AND THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS ABOVE AND BEYOND. CONGRATULATIONS TO EACH OF YOU AND INVITE DOWN THE REST OF SOME OF YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE TOO FOR THE PICTURES. THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS. (APPLAUSE) >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU BET. >> Mayor Muns: WE HAVE TWO CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION. THEY'RE GIVEN TO PLANO CITIZENS WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR TIME AND ENERGY ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND WHO HAVE STEPPED OFF. AND SO I'D LIKE TO FIRST CALL COLLEEN AGUILAR-EPSTEIN TO THE FRONT. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE? (APPLAUSE) NEXT I'D LIKE TO CALL DOWN RICK HORNE IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING THE PLANO COMMUNITY ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. CONGRATULATIONS, RICK. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. >> YOU BET. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE (3) MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH THIRTY (30) TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITHACTUAL OR LICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS PRATIK TREVASTAVA. >> RESPECTED MAYOR, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND DISTINGUISHED GUESTS,AMASTE AND GOOD EVENING. I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF PLANO CITY. MY COMPANIONS AND I ARE VOLUNTEERS OF HSS. ON BEHALF OF HSS, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE TO ALL THE DIGNITARIES OF YOUR SUPPORT AND RESTLESS WORK DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS FOR HARDSHIPS DUE TO PANDEMIC. HSS IS A NONPROFIT VOLUNTEERING ORGANIZATION STARTED IN 1989 IN THE USA. WE WORK ON THE CONCEPT OF (INDISCERNIBLE), WHICH MEANS WE ARE ALL ONE FAMILY. HSS IS MORE THAN 200 CHAPTERS SPREAD ACROSS ALL 50 STATES AND IS WORKING FOR THE WELLNESS OF SOCIETY IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. SAWA, WHICH MEANS SELF-LESS SERVICE, IS ONE OF OUR CODE DUTIES. AN INITIATIVE IS A NATIONWIDE FOOD DRIVE PROGRAM WHERE HINDU AND DHARMAIC ORGANIZATIONS ALONG WITH LOCAL VOLUNTES WHO CAME TOGETHER ACROSS THE UNITED STATES (INDISCERNIBLE) WE MUST GIVE BACK TO THE SOCIETY WHERE WE LIVE. IT IS ESSENTIAL WHILE WE CELEBRATE THE MAJOR HINDU FESTIVAL, FESTIVAL OF LIGHT, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO THINK ABOUT THE LESS FORTUNATE FAMILIES WHO STRUGGLE TO GET TO MEANS. LAST YEAR IT WAS AT THE END OF OCTOBER. WE COLLECTED NONPERISHABLE FOOD ITEMS, DONATED TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS, FOOD PANTRIES, AND OTHER NEEDY PEOPLE. IT IS A NATIONAL INITIATIVE. IN 2022 ALONE, THE PROGRAM DONATED 630,660 POUNDS OF FOOD THAT WAS DONATED TO 200 PLUS BENEFICIARIES, ORGANIZATIONS. THIS DONATION WILL SERVE OVER 525,000 MEALS. THIS WAS POSSIBLE BY PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS COMING TOGETHER IN 200 CITIES AND TOWNSHIPS IN 32 STATES ACROSS THE USA. TODAY WE ARE HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT A PROGRAM CALLED HEALTH OF HUMANITY, SON SALUTATIONS. THIS PROGRAM FOCUSES ON THE BETTER HEALTH OF SOCIETY, WHICH IS NEEDED THAN EVER DURING THE COVID SEASON. THE PROGRAM'S OBJECTIVE IS THAT EVERYONE GETS BENEFITTED BY KNOWING AND PRACTICING THIS -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> -- CALLED (INDISCERNIBLE), TRANSLATED AS SON SALUTATION. IT'S OUR 18th YEAR NATIONWIDE TO SPREAD AWARENESS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE EXECUTED SON SALUTATION WORKSHOPS, RUNNING THE PROGRAM IN JANUARY TO HELP PEOPLE ACHIEVE HEALTH RESOLUTIONS. THE EARTH STARTS GETTING CLOSER TO THE SUN, WHICH MEANS WE START RECEIVING MORE ENERGY. IT IS THE COMBINATION OF TEN BODY POSTURES WITH PATTERNED BREATHING. IT IS A FULL BODY WORKOUT AND IT HELPS TO STRENGTHEN OUR INTERNAL ORGANIZES SUCH AS LUNGS AND BOOSTS IMMUNITY. >> Mayor Muns: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRAP IT UP. YOUR TIME IUP. >> SURE, YEP. LASTLY, FROM JANUARY 14 TO JANUARY 29, HSS HAS HEALTH FOR HUMANITY YOGA DRIVE WHERE WE GO TO LOCAL SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES TO DO A TEN-MINUTE SUN SALU SALU SALUTATION EXERCISE. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO OFFER ONE SESSION IN THIS OFFICE. OUR VOLUNTEERS WILL DEMONSTRATE AND EXPLAIN MORE. WE WISH YOU A GREAT REST OF THE YEAR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. > THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MAKARAN YAICAR. >> COUNCILMEMBERS, MAYOR, THANK YOU AND NAMASTE. I AM PART OF HSS AS WELL. IT'S A PARENT ORGANIZATION, ITS PARENT ORGANIZATION RSS STANDS FOR (SPEAKING NONENGLISH LANGUAGE). THE ASSOCIATION IS A SELF-INSPIRED VOLUNTEER ESSENTIALLY HSS IS AN ASSOCIATION OF SELF-INSPIRED VOLUNTEERS FOR AMERICAN HINDUS. IT'S A 501(C)(3) NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WITH A FOCUS ON SOCIAL, EDUCATIONAL, AND CULTURAL INITIATIVES. HESE INITIATIVES ARE DRIVEN BASED ON UNIVERSAL ETERNAL PRINCIPLES OF HINDU DHARMA, WHAT WE CALL LOOSELY AS THE HINDU RELIGION. THESE VALUES HAVE INSPIRED ITS PRACTITIONERS TOWARDS NOBLE CONDUCT, CREATED HARMONIOUS AND SYNCRETIC SOCIETIES AND HAS RISEN TO MEET THE CHALLENGES SINCE THE DAWN OF CIVIZATION. MY COLLEAGUE HAS ALREADY GIVEN YOU THE DETAILS OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE RUN, THE FOOD DONATION PROGRAM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY GETS INTO COLLECTING THOUSANDS AND HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF FOOD AND DONATE OUT TO DIFFERENT CHANNELS. CURRENTLY WE ARE, AS HE EXPLAINED THE PARTS OF THE SUN SALUTATION PROGRAM, ESSENTIALLY A PROGRAM FOR ALL THE UNITY. NATURALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S A FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO GET WORKED UP WITH THIS KIND OF SUCCESS. THESE INDIVIDUALS, I BELIEVE, HOPPING FROM ONE CITY COUNCIL TO ANOTHER, NAME-CALLING OUR ORGANIZATION AND OBVIOUSLY SPREADING HATE. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GIVE A HEADS UP. I KNOW CITY OF PLANO HAS ITS OWN CHECKS AND LANCES, AND THERE'S NO PLACE FOR HATE. AND I'M SURE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL AGREE TO THAT. THERE IS A -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> UNTIL THE (INDISCERNIBLE) TELLS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, THE TALE WILL ALWAYS GLORIFY THE HUNTER. THE LIONS HAVE STARTED TELLING THEIR SIDE OF THE STORIES. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SHARON OBERALL. >> SECOND-HAND SMOKE IS A KILLER. IT IS HARD TO PROVE THAT IT KILLS SOMEONE BECAUSE WHEN A PERSON GOES TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM THAT IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND DIES, THEY DO NOT PUT ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE IT WAS TRIGGERED BY SECOND-HAND SMOKE. THEY PUT HEART ATTACK ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE. THE SAME IS TRUE OF SOMEONE WHO DIES OF EMPHYSEMA. THEY DO NOT SAY IT WAS TRIGGERED BY SMOKE. THEY PUT EMPHYSEMA COMPLICATIONS BUT WE KNOW IT HARMS PEOPLE. I'LL GIVE TWO EXAMPLES WHERE I'VE BEEN WITH A PERSON IMMEDIATELY HARMED BY CIGARETTE SMOKE. THE FIRST WAS MY GRANDMOTHER. I TOOK HER TO THE DOCTOR FOR HER BROKEN SHOULDER. AS WE TRIED TO ENTER THE DOOR, THERE WAS A SMOKER OUTSIDE. SHE STARTED HAVING AN EMPHYSEMA ABEING AT THAT. I GOT HER TO A CHAIR. WE SCRAMBLED FOR AN INHALER, SHE SAT THERE FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES TRYING TO CATCH HER BREATH. THIS WAS VERY SCARY FOR A 17-YEAR-OLD. I FELT HELPLS WATCHING HER STRUGGLE TO BREATHE. A PERSON HAVING AN EMPHYSEMA ATTACK CANNOT GET OXYGEN TO THEIR LUNGS. THE SMOKER WAS OUTSIDE. WE JUST WALKED THROUGH THE AREA. IT WASN'T LIKE WE WERE EXPOSED TO IT VERY LONG. WE PARKED WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE DOOR. EVEN THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF CIGARETTE SMOKE COULD HAVE KILLED HER. IT DEFINITELY HURT HER. ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO MY SISTER, WHO HAS COPD, AND I WERE WALKING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT FROM ULTA BEAUTY TO PIER 1. CIGARETTE SMOKE HIT US. SHE IMMEDIATELY HAD A COPD ABEING AT THAT. SHE COULDN'T CATCH HER BREATH. WE GOT TO THE CAR AND THANK HEAVENS SHE HAD AN INHALER. WE SAT THERE UNTIL SHE CAUGHT HER BREATH. WHAT IF SHE HADN'T HAD AN INHALER? HER CAR? SHE WAS HARMED BY THE SMALL AMOUNT OF SMOKE IN THE PARKING LOT. NEITHER MY GRANDMOTHER NOR MY SISTER DIED, BUT BOTH WERE HARMED. YES, BOTH HAD UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS. I CAN'T BLAME MY GRANDMOTHER BECAUSE IT WASN'T UNTIL THE '60s THAT THERE WERE EVEN ANY WARNING LABELS ON THE PACKAGES. MY SISTER LIVES WITH COPD BECAUSE OUR FATHER SMOKED AND DAMAGED OUR LUNGS. THERE ARE WARNING LABELS ON CIGARETTES NOW. WE KNOW THERE IS NO RISK-FREE LEVEL OF EXPOSURE TO SECOND-HAND SMOKE AND EVEN SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF HEART ATTACKS AND EMPHYSEMA ATTACKS. IT IS YOUR JOB TO PASS ORDINANCES TO PROTECT CITIZENS ON ALL PUBLIC PROPERTY -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> -- AND FOR THOSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO CONTAIN IT FROM DRIFTING TO ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. PLEASE PASS ORDINANCES TO PROTECT YOUR CITIZENS FROM HARM. THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CINDY LAWRENCE HANSEN. >> GOOD EVENING TO THE MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, AND CITY MANAGER. I'M CINDY LAWRENCE HANSEN, DIRECTOR OF THE PLANO METROPOLITAN BALLET FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS AND ALSO AN ADVOCATE FOR THE ARTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A VISION OF ARTS AWARENESS AND BRANDING ON A LARGE SCALE FOR OUR CITY. IT ENCOMPASSES ARTS IN EVERY FORM AND REACHES THROUGH OUR POPULATION WITH INCLUSION. IT WILL BE ENJOYED AT SCHOOLS, IN THE WORKPLACE, AT PUBLIC PARKS, AND PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GATHER, INCLUDING GALLERIES AND THEATERS. ANNOUNCING PLANO ARTS WEEK. AN ANNUAL EVENT FOR ARTS AWARENESS IN OUR HOMETOWN. FOR ONE DEDICATED WEEK EACH YEAR, WE WILL DIRECT OUR FOCUS TO THE VIBRANT ARTS COMMUNITY THAT SHAPES OUR CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT. ALL PERFORMANCES OF MUSIC, DANCE, AND THEATER, AS WELL AS ART EXHIBITS OCCURRING DURING THIS WEEK WILL BE LISTED ON THE CALENDAR OF THE PLANO ARTS WEEK WEBSITE WITH LINKS TO PURCHASE TICKETS. FREE EVENTS IN PARKS AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES WILL ALSO HAVE LISTINGS. PLANO ARTS WEEK 2023 IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 10th THROUGH 16. WE ENCOURAGE ALL LOCAL BUSINESSES, WORKPLACES, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND NEIGHBORHOODS, TO GET INVOLVED. THEY CAN BE A PART OF THIS BY PLANNING THEIR OWN ARTS ACTIVITIES AND SHARING THEM TOTHER TO ENRICH OUR DAILY IN LIVES AND EMBRACE A NEW EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE ARTS PLANO. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> OUR LAST SPEAKER IS JACK JONES, WHO IS JOINING US VIA ZOOM. MR. JONES, GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT I HAVE NOTICED PERSONALLY WITH SOME OF THE CITY'S OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS. I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST BRIEFLY HERE. SOME POINTS IS I'VE TRIED CONTACTING RONNY ALLEN OF THE CITY OF PLANO'S RADIO DEPARTMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION BACK FROM HIM. SOME OF THE SIRENS THAT DON'T WORK CORRECTLY THAT I HAVE OBSERVED ARE SIREN NUMBER FOUR WITH BLOWN SPEAKER DRIVERS, SO IT'S NOT OUTPUTTING THE PROPER AMOUNT OF DECIBELS THAT IT SHOULD. SIREN NUMBER TEN, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT, BUT IT SEEMS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE TONE GENERATOR. SIREN 27 HAS AN ISSUE OF HISSING RANDOMLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A MONDAY. AS FAR AS THIS ISSUE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT HAS BEEN FIXED BY THE RADIO DEPARTMENT, BUT THE NEW SIRENS THAT WERE INSTALLED BACK IN 2019 DID NOT HAVE THE VOICE CARDS INSTALLED. SO IT WOULD JUST (INDISCERNIBLE) THE TEST AND NOT DO THE TEST ANNOUNCEMENTS. AS PER RECOMMENDATION BY THE SIREN MANUFACTURER, IT SAYS THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE TESTED TWICE MONTHLY. SO THAT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE THE FIRST WEDNEAY OF EVERY MONTH AT NOON AS IT IS ALREADY AND THE THIRD WEDNESDAY FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY OF ROCKWALL DOES, FOLLOWING THAT PROTOCOL. SWITCHING TO THE ALERT TONE, WHICH WOULD BE A SOLID TONE, WHICH WOULD IMPROVE BETTER RANGE FOR THE CITY. UPDATING THE VOICE MESSAGES FOR THE TESTING WOULD BE IDEAL BECAUSE THE CURRENT RECORDINGS ARE FROM THE '90s, SO IT'S NOT THAT CLEAR. AS FOR SOME OF THE TEST PROGRAMMING, WHENEVER THE SYSTEM GOES OFF FOR THE MONTHLY TEST, IT WILL DO THE NORL NE,ND IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CANCEL COMMAND WHERE IT TELLS ALL THE SIRENS TO STOP. I SPOKE WITH JEREMIAH LANCASTER OF THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT. HE SAYS THEY REMOVED THE CANCEL COMMAND. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY, NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD. I ALSO RECOMMEND TO SWITCHING TO AN EXTERNAL COMPANY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SIRENS. IT'S CURRENTLY DONE THROUGH THE CITY OF PLANO'S RADIO DEPARTMENT. MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE GODDARD ENTERPRISES OF EDMOND, OKLAHOMA, TO DO SOME OF THE WORK. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER -- OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MARIA TU ALSO HAS COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> Tu: MR. MAYOR AND MY FELLOW FRIENDS AND COUNCILMEMBER COLLEAGUES, HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR, AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. EVERY YEAR I BRING A LITTLE BIT OF TIDBITS ABOUT THE CHINESE NEW YEAR, AND I WANTED TO DO SO AGAIN THIS YEAR. THE MOON CALENDAR IS BASED ON A 28-DAY CYCLE, AND THERE'S USUALLY A REPEAT OF ONE ADDITIONAL MONTH, SO IN TOTAL, THERE IS 13 MONTHS IN THE YEAR. AND THAT IS WHY CHINESE NEW YEAR IS DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR. AND THIS YEAR CHINESE NEW YEAR DAY IS JANUARY 22nd, 2023, WHICH WAS SUNDAY. THEY SAY THAT THE SO-CALLED YEAR IS A MONSTER THAT ONLY AWAKES DURING THE COLDEST TIME OF THE YEAR AND IT WAK U HUNGRY AND COMES AND TAKES AWAY THE SOULS OF OUR YOUNG AND OUR WEAK AS FOOD. SO IN ORDER TO PREVENT A YEAR FROM DOING SO, THE VILLAGE WOULD STAY UP ON NEW YEAR'S EVE TO WATCH OVER THE FAMILY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE YEAR DOES NOT COME THROUGH AND UNEXPECTEDLY TAKE AWAY THEIR LOVED ONES. IT IS ALSO SAID THAT THE YEAR IS AFRAID OF BRIGHT LIGHTS AND COLORS. SO THE PEOPLE WOULD TRY TO SCARE AWAY THE YEAR BY BRIGHTENING THE DARK NIGHTS WH COLORFUL SHINING CLOTHING. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF RED. AND MAKING LOUD NOISES. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE FIRECRACKERS, PLAYING THE DRUMS, LIGHTING FIRECRACKERS ARE ALL DIFFERENT WAYS OF SCARING AWAY THE YEAR. THE STRONG MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY STAYED UP TO GUARD OVER THE YOUNG AND OLD AND STAYED AWAKE BY PLAYING CARDS AND EATING GOOD FOOD. SO FOOD PREPARATION TO KEEP THE FAMILY AWAKE BECAME A TRADITION. SINCE THE FAMILY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON PROTECTING THEIR OWN, ALL THE FOOD PREPARATION IS DONE PRIOR TOHE YEAR ARRIVAL. SO NO COOKING IS DONE AT HOME THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF THE NEW YEAR SO THAT THE FOCUS COULD E ON FAMILY AND NOT ON CHORES. THE NIGHT OF THE ARRIVAL OF THE YEAR, ELDERS AND CHILDREN ARE PUT TO SLEEP WITH ENVELOPES FULL OF MONEY PLACED UNDER THEIR PILLOW BECAUSE IT IS SAID THAT THE YEAR BRINGS SOME SMALL MONSTERS WITH IT TO HELP THE YEAR IN COLLECTING YOUNG SOULS. AND SO THE YEAR WOULD PERSUADE THE ELDERS TO LEAVE THEIR FAMILY AND GO WITH IT. AFTER ALL, WE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE WHEN WE ARE SLEEPING. AND TO PREVENT THE UNEXPECTED DEPARTURE OF OUR ELDERS AND CHILDREN, THE FAMILY WOULD STUFF MONEY IN AN ENVELOPE TO BRIBE THE LITTLE MONSTERS AND THE YEAR AND, HENCE, THE TRADITION OF GIVING RED ENVELOPES FULL OF MONEY TO YOUNG AND ELDERS BEGAN. SO CHINESE NEW YEAR IS A TIME WHEN FAMILIES ARE TOGETHER IN UNITY TO FACE CHALLENGES OF THE YEAR. THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE AND UNITY USUALLY LASTS ABOUT 15 DAYS, AND THE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO STOP WORK, STOP DOING CHORES, AND STOP BEING DISTRACTED BY OBLIGATIONS. pTHIS RECONNECTING WITH FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE BAD LUCK TO CLEAN THE HOUSE OR OF THE NEW YEAR BECAUSE THAT IS A TIME WHEN NEW FORTUNE COMES IN AND RESETTLE IN YOUR HOUSE. SO WE DON'T WANT TO CLEAN AWAY ALL THE NEW FORTUNES THAT'S COMING BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO COME IN. SO 2023 IS THE YEAR OF THE RABBIT. THIS IS THE FOURTH CHINESE ASTROLOGICAL SIGN. THERE'S AN INTERESTING STORY ABOUT THAT. IT IS SAID WHEN THE GODS SENT OUT TO SEND 12 ASTROLOGICAL SIGNS TO THE ANIMALS, THEY ASKED THE ANIMALS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RACE. THE RABBIT AND TIGER BEGAN BEING SO CONFIDENT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WIN, THEY DECIDED TO TAKE A NAP. SO INSTEAD OF RUNNING, THE ONLY PERSON WHO ACTUALLYHOUGHT THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO WIN THE RACE WAS THE OX, SO THE SLOW AND STEADY OX BEGAN THE RACE ON TIME, SLOWLY TROTTING TO THE FINISH LINE. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE RAT WAS PRETTY DAMN SMART. SORRY FOR SWEARING. IT HIT ON TOP OF THE OX'S HEAD AND JUMPED DOWN TO FINISH FIRST WHEN THE OX GOT TO THE FINISH LINE. SO THE CHINESE ASTROLOGICAL SIGN BEGINS WITH THE RAT AND SECOND WITH THE OX. WHEN THE TIGER AND THE RABBIT WOKE UP FROM THEIR NAP, THEY COMPETED FOR THIRD PLACE AND TIGER WON THIRD PLACE ONLY BECAUSE IT HAD LONGER LEGS. SO THE RABBIT CAME IN FOURTH. WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE YEAR OF THE RABBIT? RABBITS ARE SOFT AND CUDDLY AND WELL LOVED BY MOST. BUT IT HAS A TENDENCY TO TAKE THINGS FOR GRANTED. AND I AM BORN IN THE YEAR OF THE RABBIT, AND SO THIS YEAR I'M GOING TO REMIND MYSELF TO BE GRATEFUL FOR THE GREAT CITY OF PLANO, FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ITS WHO HAVE PROTECTED AND BUILT THE CITY WHERE I RAISED MY FAMILY AND BUILT A HOME AND REALIZED MY DREAMS, AND FOR THE CITY STAFF WHO WORK LIKE THE OX, SO STEADFASTLY AND MAINTAINS OUR CITY'S EXCELLENCE. AND MOSTLY FOR OUR PLANO RESIDENTS, WHO COMES FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD TO LIVE AND BUILD A UNITED COMMUNITY OF DIVERSITY. HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. VERY GOOD. NOW I KNOW WHAT THE RABBIT IS FOR. (LAUGHTER) >> Tu: NOT FOR EATING. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM M AS IN MIKE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM M. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM M. >> ITEM M, ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORITY RELATED TO PROCUREMENT DECISIONS NECESSARY FOR ISSUES THAT ARISE DUE TO SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I PULLED THIS ITEM OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WANT TO START BY SAYING I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. THIS WILL ENABLE US TO POUNCE QUICKLY TO DEAL WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS WE'RE ALL CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING AND WILL ONLY APPLY TO BUDGETED OR ROUTINE ITEMS SO I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE DISAGREEMENT AS TO WHAT WILL BE PURCHASED UNDER THIS AUTHORITY. THAT BEING SAID, ANYIME WE RESPOND TO A SITUATION LIKE THE SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS, I THINK WE NEED AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THIS SO IT'S RE-EVALUATED IN THE FUTURE IN LIGHT OF CHANGE OF CIRCUMSTANCES JUST LIKE WE DID WHEN WE GAVE EXTRA AUTHORITY TO DEAL WITH COVID. I SUGGEST WE DO THE SAME THING. I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER ISRAEL EARLIER. I DON'T THINK HE HAS OBJECTION TO THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST WE PASS THAT BUT ADD THAT IT WOULD EXPIRE IN ONE YEAR AND WE LOOK AT IT AGAIN. IF TWO YEARS IS BETTER, I'M I KN THE SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GOING AWAY ANY TIME SOON. I THINK WE NEED TO ADD AN EXPIRATION DATE. I'LL LEAVE IT TO EVERYONE WHETHER WE PASS THAT TONIGHT OR THERE'S BEEN A PREFERENCE AT TIMES TO BRING IT BACK IN WRITING. AND SO SEEING HEADS NODDING ABOUT BRINGING IT BACK IN WRITING. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AND WE BRING IT BACK WITH THE ONE-YEAR EXPIRATION DATE IN IT. >> (OFF MIC). >> Ricciardelli: OR OTHER EXPIRATION DATE. IF ANYONE WOULD PREFER A DIFFERENT ONE, I'M CERTAINLY OPENO TT AS LONG AS THERE'S AN EXPIRATION DATE. >> I WOULD SUPPORT A ONE-YEAR EXPIRATION DATE. I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF MORE FREQUENT REVIEW AS LONG AS IT'S NOT EVERY MEETING. (LAUGHTER) >> Mayor Muns: IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'M GOING TO SECOND THE TABLE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM M SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT IN WRITING. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. IS THAT IT? >> THAT'S IT. >> Mayor Muns: THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE'RE ADJOURNED.