uh city of North St Paul city council meeting for October 18th if you could all stand for pledge of allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all like to welcome everybody this time uh Jenny should take the role council member Thorson here councilmember Peterson here councilmember Wong here council member Cole is absent and mayor Furlong here Quorum is present at this time motion to adopt the agenda so moved your honored by councilmember Peterson second by Council councilmember Thorson any discussion not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye oppose motion carries we have no presentations we do have the consent agenda and I'll turn that over to uh city manager frandel thank you mayor uh first up on the consent agenda is October 4th 2022 Workshop minutes Item B October 4th 2022 regular meeting minutes item C General claims one million five hundred ninety four thousand nine hundred and fourteen dollars and 84 cents item D HRA claims 38 527.26 item e building permit report September of 2022 item F resolution approving acceptance of donations received September of 2022 and item G Public Works maintenance overlay approval and we have one more H which is the memorandum of understanding for local number 211 Patrol and 298 for Sergeants shift differential do you have that you got that okay uh so we have those items at this time a council member can pull item if they would like to at this time if I may pull G and H oh G and H and we'll bring that down to the city business and action items and that will be uh b f n g so G and H would be f and g in the uh see division action items so at this time motion to approve the consent agenda with those two items removed so moved moved by council member one second second by council member Thorson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye oppose the motion carries this time meeting open to the public and I do have one John Schmall welcome John Schmall 2750 Chisholm Avenue North St Paul just another leaf and water situation after saying something about it that I was unhappy about that that Wednesday morning when I went out early in the morning to mail a letter put it in the mailbox I looked down and oh Anew must have been a wash of leaves because this one they came up on my driveway almost hitting the sidewalk so it didn't work out my plan or my thought on this is you know that there's five storm sores that go into Casey Lake one of them has a settling Pond the one that comes down through Shawnee you think you could work something out that the part of the streets that dump into Casey you would maybe sweep just those you know take a little bit of effort to do something you just had a group uh at the first of the year working on uh issues about Casey and this is what we get as a result so thanks thank you John anybody else anybody on Zoom okay we don't have any we do have some public hearings and I'll turn it over to a city manager frandel thank you mayor first up is special assessment hearing for unpaid bills and authorizing the city of North St Paul to certify the county auditor's official all unpaid our office all unpaid fees Dan we got you back up here again Mr winning welcome Dan well welcome thank you mayor City Council Members this is the public hearing for uh special Assessments in September the city council authorized the issuance of a public hearing this is uh to hear any comments that may be from any of the residents that are included in the unpaid unpaid special assessments that are related to utilities not including electric electricity so anything with water sewer garbage any I think we didn't have any um other types this year just some kind of information that is there after this public hearing they have an additional 30 days to make the payment without any interest that day will expire on November 18th after that point we will certify it to the property tax rolls to Ramsey County it was our County auditor and just some statistical information for you to be aware last year when we did this at a public hearing date in 2021 we had approximately 22 500 outstanding balance for the assessment roles this year we had about 15 500. when it came to this point in time last year we were at about we did have about twenty seven hundred dollars worth of payments so it brought it down to about 19 700. this year we've had about three thousand dollars worth of payments out of amazed we're sitting at about twelve thousand five hundred that potentially will go on to special assessments the lists that were prepared were prepared last week even since that point in time we've received another thousand dollars from residents so I think our process of notification and trying to get collection in the public hearing I think has worked very very well many of the residents that are reoccurring for some odd reason um will not pay during the year especially on some of the the Maplewood properties that we provide water to but as soon as it goes on to the property tax as a special assessment it's paid so don't exactly know why that is but that's kind of the way it is so actually I think we're we're doing very very well as far as we're not having an abundance of delinquent assessments but I'm open to any questions or any public comments so this time we'll open the public hearing uh 6 39 if there's anybody in the audience who would like to address have any questions or for the finance directories here right now is there anybody in the audience who would like to address the council [Music] not we'll close the public hearing and uh the motion would be uh I believe to accept there's two two resolutions um assessment resolution for for the North St Paul properties and an assessment resolution for the Maplewood properties and there's four assessment roles that are attached that is supporting documentation on those properties with the property identification number and the numbers but we do need to have the two resolutions approved I can recommend mayor just doing one resolution at a time so the first one I have here is a recommendation a resolution to adopt resolution authorized in the city of North Saint Paul to certified to the county auditor's office of all unpaid fees would that be correct yeah for water Wastewater environmental utility street lights Solid Waste and Recycling for North St Paul properties motion because I moved moved by council member Thorson a second second by council member Peterson any questions not all those in favor signify by saying aye oppose the motion carries I do not have that I can read it do you have that second one the resolution approving assessments to properties for unpaid Water waste water environment environmental utility and recycling for Maplewood properties it's a motion is there motion moved by council member Peterson second by council member Thorson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye opposed motion carries thank you mayor thank you council members I believe we have a second public hearing I'll turn it over to uh city manager frandel thank you mayor Item B is to accept input on a proposed two lot subdivision of 2170 Eldridge Avenue North this is where we're going to be billing the two student built houses one this year and one next I believe we have Brandy online for Zoom that was going to address this hi good evening mayor and city council can you hear me okay yep perfect thank you for allowing me to zoom in tonight I'm out of town at a conference in La Crosse um the item before you is a public hearing for a minor subdivision of 2170 Bell Eldridge Avenue um you'll recall earlier this summer in June um the city and the Housing and Redevelopment Authority entered into a purchase agreement to acquire this piece of property and they have since demolished the existing home that was deemed to be in substandard condition and the plans are to replace that substandard home with two new single-family houses the houses are planned to be built by Century College through its student-built housing program and in order to build two houses the lot will have to be subdivided so the subdivision ordinance exempts plants containing three lots or less from uh going through the preliminary plotting process um so as a minor subdivision um it simply needs to meet the subdivision requirements and go through a public hearing and city council action it was also looked up by the Planning Commission twice the Planning Commission considered the property purchase back in June and then they looked at the subdivision back in October or sorry October 6th just a couple of weeks ago and they found that the subject site meets all zoning requirements and meets the subdivision ordinance requirements the the lot is already connected by sanitary sewer and water main and it's an existing street so it's really a fairly simple subdivision uh the city city engineer also reviewed the plat and has requested that some drainage and utility easements be depicted on the plant before it's recorded at the Planning Commission meeting in October they've reviewed the proposal against the comprehensive plan for consistency they determined that the land split would Advance the city's housing goals specifically to enhance neighborhood value and quality housing options at all types and price points and thus uh Planning Commission recommends to city council approval of the minor Subdivision plat of 2170 East Eldridge Avenue subject to the approval conditions that are outlined in the draft resolution in your packet and I can entertain any questions you might have for me what I'll do I'll open up the public hearing at this time 6 44 and I believe we do have some people that want to question possibly that no is there anybody who would like come on and uh I was just questioning Brandy can you hear okay uh I can now yes okay okay maybe just make sure the mic is okay yeah it was just questioning the originally Homestead Road bought that from the original owner for 120 000. uh and they did pretty much nothing there except we removed a little trash and then and then the developer bought it for 165 000 and his ideas didn't fly and I I understand why uh but then the city paid 225 000 for it to him why did they pay so much this started out at 120 and got all the way up to 225. I just wonder what kind of negotiation is that or were there some costs in there it's a good question it's like all the way up another sixty thousand right so this guy Giada bought the property if I hadn't known this I I I'll have Brandy answer but I think you know the market was going so fast at that time too and I know there were expenses that were involved uh we were supposedly getting the property at cost of what this last developer bought it but maybe Brandy if you can question right but I think there's a hard cost above and beyond what was uh determined [Music] it's not just the land cost there's hard costs that were involved Brandy I don't know if you have those or not or unfortunately I wasn't involved in the property purchase of of this um specific piece of land so I'm not entirely sure what the decision was when it when it occurred with the Housing Authority back in in June I do know that this item is related to just the land split so if there's any questions related to how how that is um going to work with ordinances that can answer those questions no I understand I believe The Negotiator was our past city manager uh Brian I don't think you were a part of that negotiation so yeah uh unfortunately you're at the wrong meeting a little late we did have that discussion it was an HRA meeting and I raised those same concerns yeah but you know it was voted on and approved so right it was done but I just and unfortunately we're here tonight not you know we're here to talk about the Lots but I I can hear you loud and clear and I share your same concerns and I voice those and I've been watching this from the beginning and I keep thinking why are they doing this my other question was how much does the city get involved like those were all city workers cutting down all of those trees and they keep coming back they're in a lot of it's good reasons but how much City money is put into these projects not I mean they're a good idea but I just wonder where all that City money comes from and how we determine the cost you know if there's uh employees that are working on some of these projects that money should go into that project cost right right so I'm assuming this will yeah this will go in that's that's all I had thanks John anybody else in regards to questions for Brandy if not uh close the hearing at 6 48 and the motion is to approval of a minor minor subdivision plan of 2170 East Eldridge Avenue is there a motion moved moved by council member Wong second second by council member Thorson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye I opposed nay uh City attorney there are not enough votes to pass the resolution so the resolution fails happens as far as what happens next there can be a motion to reconsider [Music] the motion that had just failed and perhaps there could be more discussion on it if that would be helpful well the project is underway the house is being built and council members well I can actually explain why my voter no just procedurally I guess I would recommend going back and doing a motion to reconsider and having this discussion within that framework if that's all right is there a motion for rediscussion of the matter a reconsideration reconsideration I moved to reconsider uh moved by council member Wong is there a second I'll second it second by councilmember Peterson uh all's in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed I'll go aye well he's asking us to reconsider so we're going to reconsider discussion okay okay that's right um so again we do have a development that is being built I don't know why this at this time councilmember would be against something that's in the process of the dirt's already being turned in the one of the properties is being built the next property I believe will be built the following year so a council member Peterson do you have well I just wanted to be consistent I was against it in June and the HRA bill um uh meeting we had and uh I should probably still stay consistent so the reason I voted no is the same reason someone was touched on today yes the project has started on one half we're asking tonight to split the lot I don't think we should I didn't think we should be in this anyway the problem here is there's a missing council member so if we want to vote on this one Tim Cole is here then it'll pass you want to try to convince one of us to change our votes I'm not going to out of the fact that I didn't agree with the purchase of this property we paid too much for it the housing Market's changing you know we're we're going to be it's just putting taxpayer dollars at places we shouldn't be doing so that's why I'm not going to vote to support a lot split now and it's not going to prevent the current project from moving forward because the current project should be on the half that's you know still I mean if this doesn't go through in theory one house will be built on this entire lot and we can continue to do that which probably would make more sense at this point but so I look at it as council member one well I think that is a little bit antithetical to the comprehensive plan um and so I guess I'm a little bit confused on that end and then if we are here supporting student-built housing is that not consistent with splitting the lot and the plan was from the beginning to subdivide that lot to have a stock for the next two years for the student build housing and that was approved at uh at that meeting uh in it as Brandy had mentioned uh Brandi if you could maybe mention again uh that it fits the need of the hre uh plan uh it was the comprehensive plan that the city has agreed that it meets the the goals of um ensuring affordable housing options and existing neighborhood environment so I think council member Wong kind of addressed address that fact um councilmember Thorson is also correct it is an existing lot building one home on that lot um can go forward but putting two houses on on the lot would create an option to have two properties to eventually sell so that might be something to consider too so it all boils down to more housing options in an area where there is already kind of a high density single family um and it would be consistent with the existing makeup of that neighborhood yeah and that was approved at the at the HRA meeting uh so can we table this until certainly yes you can table it uh I was just looking at the calendar it looks like November 1st is your next meeting is that right Jenny so that one or the next one it's nice to table it specifically to the next meeting that you want to pick it back up at so and we can still do that not a problem yes your problem that should not be even the vote that we had correct right because we cracked it back open okay motion to reconsider so I need a motion for the table yes and this is all Robert's Rules and I'm not this is beyond my uh it's okay that's why I'm here okay good thank you so at this time uh motion to table the uh motion I'll make that emotion our honor uh so moved by councilmember Peterson second second by council member Wang any discussion if not all that's in favor signify by saying aye okay pause motion carries so we'll table that until until the next meeting makes sense back there so at this time I'll turn it over to uh CD manager frandel thank you mayor first up on the city business action items and recommendations uh next four items are grants that are available for the Lilly project first item a authorization to apply for a deed contamination cleanup Grant we do have Randy online that can talk to this and also if Jim has any discussion he would like to he's welcome to come up as well um yep thanks everybody for allowing me to talk again so as as mentioned the developer Jim Lavelle I believe is in the audience the availability building project he has requested a partnership with the city to submit three Grant applications those would go to deed the Met Council in Ramsey County for cleanup grants to assist in the funding of the cleanup on the site so as you might be aware the site previously has been used as a gas station a grocer paint sprayer assembly and a newspaper publishing so investigation by the development team has uncovered that there's a specimen asbestos abatement that's going to be required prior to building demolition additionally petroleum impacted soil and groundwater will be encountered during excavation activities that will require special management and Disposal so the developer is in the process of um putting together three Grant applications and is requesting that the city act as the official applicant on their behalf so the three grants are one for deed in that particular Grant requires a 25 Financial match so that that match would be paid for um by the two other grants so the cleanup Grant from Ramsey County um there is no match for that and the Met Council tibra Grant also does not require a match so of the 25 deed match half of that would be met by those two other grants the remaining half would be paid directly by the developer so if the city um is going to move forward and act as the applicant for this and the the city is awarded for these three grants they would then enter into a sub-agreement with a developer so that the reimbursement for the costs would be incurred and paid out through that agreement and the the developer would assist the city in preparing progress reports and administering the grants so in order for the grant applications to go forward they need to have resolutions of support from the city so that's what's outlined in your in your packet deed has two specific resolutions to it one is basically saying we support it the other is saying um that we support the match and then the um the other two are just resolutions of support so I understand that the developers in the audience I think that his project engineer Jennifer force is also in the audience and she's a little bit more knowledgeable about these Grant application requirements um so she can assist if there's any questions about about them I'll turn it over again [Laughter] yeah one of those nights um I introduced Jennifer force uh she's with at the seh and I want to thank Brandy for her quick summary um I've worked with Jennifer for several on several projects in several years but we've identified some things that are over and above what we expected we did have a small budget for those kind of things but we keep undercovering more um so this will help us Bridge those those problems so if you have any specific questions about these specific grants or our Discovery and other things I can you can fire fire away at us you haven't found any gold or anything no I'm not looking for these things we've got some old newspapers in there too Mr Lawson there's so in that stuff in there too any questions for uh Jennifer uh or Jim so is there a lot more than what we expected or are you finding more well we probably won't know until you actually do do the digging of the property or we've done several tests as far as borings and Asbestos and those types of things the way I think we need to do some more borings right right the way the site is laid out the Lily building covers most of the East East westernmost property was a gas station and and there is Patrol and contamination from those underground storage tanks that is still in place yeah they took this GPR system out there that identifies Metals so there's tanks that have been in the ground since the 40s and the piping is there so it's leaching through the soils they're migrating and so sure and we have to do the new building requires some venting systems underneath the concrete floor to keep the vapors out of the building and some other things so we did have a small budget we anticipated some problems um but it appears as though we're going to have a lot more problems and that's what these grants are enabled to help us with purpose additional cost right good so I want to be great if the city could support us we um you know there will be an administrative function the money rolls through the city and I believe in a couple of the programs there's an annual reporting that's I've done it in several projects I haven't done it for a few years but it's it's like an hour's worth of work every you know it's anyway once or twice a year depending upon where the how far along the development is and then I believe um tbra has a little bit of post development reporting as well but it's just it's a one once a year it's literally they have a form you fill it out send it in yeah more certainly willing to reimburse the city for their staff time to help us get through that process so good we have a lot of gas stations back in the day yeah yes I always seem to pick them too thank you take the glowing sites that's one of my talents are there limitations to the Grant in terms of how many times an applicant can apply for any of these there's not okay so and there's there's actually awarded multiple times and there's that there's actually no guarantee these are very competitive Grant Rollins there's they're very almost 100 percent oversubscribed and usually at least by two times over so there's no guarantee that we're getting them either there are many different scoring criteria that they go by um so I think this is a great spot that'll meet a lot of those criteria that they score by so hopefully we're successful locations on November 1st if a grant is not awarded you would have to wait until May 1st to apply again oh so we need them now yeah good all right any other questions if not the first one is uh you guys are welcome to okay thank you thank you uh first one is for approval for resolution authorizing application to Deed from contamination uh cleanup grant for the Lilly Redevelopment site so moved by councilmember Wong second second by council member Peterson any discussion if not always in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed the motion carries the second one and I'm just going to go through these four uh second one is uh authorizing and local match commitment for a deed contamination cleanup Grant uh so moved up to clean up Grant uh moved by council member Wang second second by council member Peterson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed motion carries third one is uh prove uh resolution of support to apply for the Metro Metropolitan council tax base revitalization account tbra cleanup Grant council member Wong second second by council member Thorson any discussion not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed the motion carries and the fourth one uh resolution of support to apply for the Metropolitan council tax base revitalization account tbra cleanup Grant it's all moved moved by councilmember Thorson second by councilmember Wong any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye oppose emotion carries I think we might have double dipped on that last one I was going to say yeah that's super adopted um the other one's uh we're really cleaning that up I can um I can read this one if you want uh resolution authorized application for the Ramsey County Environmental response fund grant for the Lilly Redevelopment project it's all moved moved by council member Thorson second by councilmember Wong any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye oppose the motion carries I think I had it twice in here that's why I had it well we got a lot of cleanup a lot of cleanup so thank you Jim yeah appreciate it turn it back over to city manager frandel uh itemy is consideration of ordinance 809 North St Paul's city code as it relates to the composition of arts and culture commission the backgrounds on this is the arts and culture commission is proposing to change the number of Commissioners from five to seven which will help of additional commissioners would allow for more subcommittees to help expate the plans of the commission and having more people available to accomplish things we're looking for approval on that Amendment is there I don't know if councilmember y if you want to maybe just explain a little bit uh the need for yeah so through the arts and culture commission we've had a couple rounds of interviews in the past and we've seen a number of folks interested and that would support the um um need for a more Commissioners and also to help expedite project planning and getting things going without um you know interfering through a quorum or however so um allowing the the Commissioners to do their work okay uh so the motion is for an ordinance amending the North St Paul city code as it relates to composition of the arts and culture Commission so I moved by councilmember Wong second your honor should I come by councilmember Peterson any discussion if not uh all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed the motion carries city manager frandel [Music] which is item G from the consent agenda is for the public works maintenance overlay approval so I'll turn that over to council member Wong [Music] to a school and that's something that just struck me immediately is is there any plan to include perhaps a sidewalk for students as their um you know going in and around school because I see it's kind of on a main main street so just wonder if we've considered that it's so an overlay we usually don't do that but I'll turn that over to uh second manager frandel and we don't have Ron here yeah I want to invite Mr Winnick back up you were in conversation was with uh Ron about this I was wondering if you could shed some light please you thought you were done I just have a mayor council members I just have one question for uh city manager frandel the dollar amount of this is this the one that's approximately like twenty nine thousand dollars yeah yeah so um in the mayor started uh to speak about that so we had a great opportunity actually we're starting to you know get to the the year end of the year where you're not going to have the opportunity to do any um over a million overlays and um so we've had this opportunity we've got money within um the budget to be able to take care of this and so in a Mill and overlay um it it's it's basically just going over there we're not doing curb and gutter we're not not opening up the opportunity to look at adding sidewalks or any other components it's a very low cost trying to maintain the street for you know an additional 10 15 years so great question that's something that I know that uh our engineer and and Ron have been discussing anytime that we do have a full reconstruct that we look at the options of sidewalks within there to make the community more walkable and I've asked that before in regards to other overlayments it's a good idea to you know start looking at sidewalks but yeah but I got the same answer it's more of just an overlayment and they're just trying to so that preserves it for another 10 20 years whereas if you know for example if a full reconstruct were to be done that would need to wait for the whole road to crumble for another 20 years or so well we don't like to see it actually crumble but yeah when when yeah when you actually couldn't do a Mill and overlay again yes then you'd do a full Road reconstruction onto it yeah thank you so the more uh unless there's other questions uh motion is for approval of uh ta shivsky and Sons maintenance overly proposal of 29 600. so moved moved by council member Thorson is there a second all second second by councilmember Peterson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye pause motion carries and then uh the next one was is it the memorandum of understanding yeah it was item H that was added this afternoon yep well council member Wong yeah I guess you know I I'm just trying to get some clarity on um the difference in language and whether that has a an impact um financially you know what that looks like yeah um yes uh mayor councilmember Wong um I'm actually the one who asked for this clarification the original language that was agreed to in the both of those Union contracts basically speaks to the effect that if you're regularly scheduled from a shift from 6 p.m to 6 a.m that you're entitled to um the one dollar shift differential pay it had nothing to do with if you actually worked it so the questions came up if I was on vacation whether I was on sick as long as I'm regularly scheduled I'm entitled to to payment then it flips to the opposite side you're out and I now come in and fill in for your shift I'm not on overtime even if I were on overtime the way the language is is that I'm not entitled to that extra dollar or a dollar and a half on an overtime so I I asked for clarification from that and what the intent and so the dialogue that I had with um two individuals on the police first one representing the sergeant one representing the police officers was that at least from the police officer's standpoint was that the intent in their discussions was that if somebody was getting overtime that they would not get the differential which actually reduces our cost for the city because the way it was written before you would have given that addition to it on an automatic basis so that there is a a slight reduction again nothing significant significant on that part to it and then I don't know what version we have if we have the version where there are two different subtle language differences between the sergeant and the police force and the sergeants that's what both of those groups ended up coming with I I won't tell you which one I prefer but it in in essence it really doesn't have that much of an impact for the city as far as the the shift differential and it was really more important to be able to get the clarification of what the meanings we didn't end up having additional grievances tying up time from a league standpoint and from staff time so the motion is for approval resolution number 2022 approving murmur and memorandum of understanding a shift of differential Els local number 298 and Elia LS local number 211. so moved moved by council member Thorson second by councilmember Peterson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye oppose motion carries city manager Randall thank you mayor reports of city manager and departments so they have started Distributing the opioid settlements amounts with the first settlement that we will get it's it's over years but uh it's not a lot it's like it's a little over forty one hundred dollars and they're very specific things that you can use them on whether or not it's a counseling or prevention but we'll also have be holding meetings Ramsey County is putting them on with the local cities and for best practices and how to spend the money so we'll be attending that um the downtown plantings are happening this year I know before they were thinking that they weren't going to happen there was concerns that they wouldn't warranty them if they put them out this time of year but the uh the contractor did say that they he would warranty the plants so they're going to go ahead with the planting them um of course we're doing winter preparations now unfortunately already but uh they're blowing out Sprinklers and putting plows on trucks and just getting ready there's the irrigations All In I'm assuming to the dug all the irrigation underneath the sidewalks and everything is that all in or is it the piping is in I don't know that all of the irrigation is in yet so the piping to put the sleeves uh or the irrigation through that sleeve for the each individual Green Space areas I don't know that that is fully complete yet it's happening right now thank you and another question I have is so when they Mark the sidewalks they're marking it all the sidewalks with all the spray paint is that permanent spray paint or does that go away that is spray chalk what is it it's spray chalk it's a different from paint that okay yes I've had a few people call and say they're spray painting and how long is that going to last Morgan shaking his head this question but it is a legal requirement to locate underground utilities per state statute so it's nothing that can be avoided they need to be marked in some fashion but whether it's sprayed chalk or sometimes they might use latex or something it usually really doesn't last very long so it's not may stay through a couple rain events but typically within a couple months it's pretty much faded and gone so yeah it looks bad on our branches sidewalk right we're giving you a brush and I will be out there with my toothbrush yes it is a legal requirement so there's no way we can get around I figured that but it just it just it just looks bad I'm brand new yeah and brand new I agree I agree followed up on that right away did you go good we're also doing flu shots again this year for the employees uh that's going to be on October 26th there's one round that's given out during the day and then one at night for people who can't make it during the day whether it's police officers or the fire department and that is all I've got okay any questions for uh senior manager not uh reports of council commission committees council member Juan to over the arts and culture commission to kind of wrap up some of the last minute preparations for the fall frolic and so a big thank you to the Commissioners for putting that together they had the art cart out there and they had several craft vendors out at KC lake so I think it was pretty well attended the Business Association has also voted to partner under the project snowy and then um yeah I think the arts and culture will continue moving on with their new projects and you'll be able to get two new members and um I believe that Kerry will be working on um she's on it she's on it awesome yeah so um kind of interviewing um some folks and applications and the Planning Commission had met um on the 6th and um as you had known there was the public hearing about the subdivision plot and then there was also some discussion around the new proposed development on 2395 Market Street just right outside here so there was just some nice discussion about you know what people were hoping to see and how it would align with the comp plan so there's also a discussion about the sign ordinance that we just passed there was a discussion about the signs that we had put out as a city in its distance away from the road typically we see signs I think particularly the um the temporary signs about a foot away from the curb and so there was discussion about whether that was a safety concern and so they've tabled that for discussion and considering a two to three or more feet distance from the the road yep and that's it thank you councilmember Peterson councilmember Thorson I just like to follow up on the fall frolic we had probably there's quite a few people down there and it was a cold day though cold night it was pretty cold and uh we had uh some bands and entertainment and the vendors food vendors it uh I thought it was a really well put out uh fall frolic Halloween type thing and it went from kids to adults and but again it got very cold at night and I think the band ended an hour early because it was it was cold it was cold uh so uh General business council member Wong I have nothing thank you General business councilmember Peterson council member Thorson I am going to be absent from the first meeting in November and I'm not going to be able to participate via Zoom are you going someplace fun I well some people consider Las Vegas fun but it's kind of related so we'll see maybe I won't come back uh and I don't have anything so anything else a motion to adjourn so I moved I was looking at city manager are you gonna make the emotions moved by a council member Wong second by council member Peterson any discussion if not all those in favor signify by saying aye I opposed that you are adjourned thank you everyone