e e yeah yeah you learn a lot about it you have the crystals you have the T and stuff no ENT it's not that do home you want to feel really nauseous the good thing do said is that at least they can cure it or get the crystals realign they did that testing by it is any we go the emergency room more Ru all right it is 7 o' I'm going to call this meeting to order please join me for the pledge to the FL of the United States of America and to the repblic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right can I get a motion approve the agenda please I'll make a motion to approve the agenda I'll second motion by council member pman second by uh council member mck any further discussion all those in favor say I I I post same sign motion passes all right Community comment presenters are welcome to address the council for matters relevant to the city of Carver's Authority for up to five minutes on matters not listed on tonight's meeting agenda specific requests for information may not be immediately made available in which case follow-up will occur with the presenter sometime after tonight's meeting the city council should not be expected to immediately act on requests however we will follow up accordingly and May schedule items for future consideration that is anybody here for Community comment no all right uh presentations and reports Mr Metz welcome how are you good thank you good evening Madame mayor and council members and staff members thank you again for having me this is my 14th year of coming to City of Carver so it's nice to see you and uh thank you for your accommodations that I missed the last one due to an illness and my understanding is you did approve the the contract but this is my opportunity to go through how we um formulate our pricing essentially how much it costs for the different cities and then um highlight some things that are going on in our office as well so you know this that we prosecute for 10 of 11 cities Chan Hassen is the only city that uh contracts with uh private firm to do their uh con do their prosecution for misdemeanors Petty misdemeanors gross misdemeanors there's a list of the different cities so I go around and T or go to the city ccil meetings not every city wants me to come but a number of them do consistently and Carver is one of those that that wants me to come and speak to you and and talk about what we're doing and uh we went through a deeper dive in the last two years to see our determination of the contract fees and the costs and so what we determined was what are the costs for our office what does it cost to have a prosecutor or two prosecutors to have a victim witness coordinator at least a portion of the victim witness coordinator and administrative staff to handle cases for the various cities so that's the almost the $23,000 that it cost our office and we reduce the revenue so people that pay Their fines that's the revenue and this County cost allocation which is $225 that's a contribution essentially from our County Board because they see the benefit in having our office prosecute these case for our uniformity consistency for our resources and we're a very victim centered uh prosecution office it's really important to me and to our office that we give this high intensity of uh victim witness coordination so we have two and a half victim witness coordinators and it's a great need because it's it's an intense job where you meet with victims and you go through the process and you hear them out and you support them and you answer their questions and you keep them informed about uh court dates and and they're really a great conduit they're a great collaborator with us to help with victims I mean obviously as prosecutors we meet with them too but made not necessarily on every single case um and I don't know if you've ever been a victim of a crime and I have my wife have been a victim of crime we're going through that process now and it really um really highlights you know the importance of that coordination and creates a different perspective I think certainly from you know my standpoint of um going through that so that's an important part of what we offer as well so then we take the surcharged to be paid uh which 88,000 105 and then we have this additional sear charge which is basically the cost of living the increases and we try to have a standard across the county allowance um for this so this upcoming year is 9.34% and so that can fluctuate as well but that's what essentially is the Personnel cost allowance across the board so there's I think the auditor might have um u a cost allowance as well so I worked with our finance department and said well I don't want to just come up with some you know number what do you think is fair and appropriate and to keep up with the cost of living essentially so then we have the cases by location and you'll see that Carver actually had a pretty significant reduction in 2023 obviously for 2024 we don't have our numbers yet but we look at three years we take the average so you know 77 in 2021 55 cases in 2022 and and then 37 cases in 2023 remember this is for petty misdemeanors misdemeanor that we handle doesn't include the felonies which were statutorily mandated to prosecute so you could see it's a nice comparison to see the other cities as well to see what trends are there you know chasa being the biggest city remain pretty steady over 300 cases and wakia is up there as well I don't know how many Chanhassen handles um but you know that's obviously up there as well so we take the the rate comparison and that's how we come up with the the amount a percentage so the three-year average 2025 7.38% so there's going to be almost $465 increase for next year so uh the proposed rate is $654 188 I know you approve that so that that's how we come up with that and you'll see how it kind of spread out uh to make it affordable for the cities and it it is because it's a value and it's important to have this value as I mentioned you know victims centered orientation but we're located right there in the courthouse we go to bail hearings we make arguments at in front of a a court in front of the judge to argue that you know there's conditions on a domestic assault can't have contact and that's really important just as an example so our office I think maybe on the next page but we have 34 employees and 18 lawyers and we're doing really well with our staffing it was really difficult I think I I mentioned in the past to recruit lawyers it's just the market really shifted it was we used to get 150 applicants and then you know it's it's really reduced we had just a handful of applicants for a juvenile attorney position and it's it's across the state of Minnesota it's even more difficult in the smaller counties but fortunately we've been able to really hire some very good lawyers recently uh and we've been able to retain the lawyers and what our board did a couple years ago was um took a dramatic step to increase the salaries of our attorneys because we were out of market and we were going to lose really highly qualified qualified lawyers and in fact two of them one of them uh rescinded their offer and stayed and the other came back and went to the Attorney General's office and came back a month later and so the public defenders got a significant increase in their salaries which you probably read about welld deserved and so we were competing against them and others and you know it had something had to change and I give a lot I give all the credit to the to our board because you give up a lot of your bargaining negotiation in Midstream to make it right and they did that and that allowed us to remain competitive and that's really important because you have to have good lawyers if and good prosecutors and and good uh juvenile uh protection attorneys and child support attorneys and our civil attorneys to um provide the high level services so what are our case load Trends we have seen an increase remarkable is our criminal sexual misconduct cases have almost tripled and those are highly intensive resourc driven expert driven cases um I don't know why that is and you know we're fortunate we have an expert the head of our Criminal Division Angela Ericson truly is an expert in criminal sexual misconduct cases and so she handles the bulk of those cases and it's it I mean there there are no no more important cases um than those types of cases so those take a lot of a lot of time and and and so we that that's something we're looking at and I think we've seen that across the state as well you know about our veterans and our drug treatment courts I talked a lot about that last year we've had about over 20 graduates now in our drug treatment court and I think we have about 20 in there and what we did was we we didn't have enough for our what we didn't have enough um C candidates or people in our veterans court so we were going to lose our state fund 20 and we were always teetering and and we were accepting you know some misdemeanor offenses and we were accepting some probation violations and so we got together with with our partners in Dakota County and Scott County and we talked about this and this takes a long time when we all we we might have different visions of how our program should operate but we got together after numerous meetings and decided to join forces and have one Court which is the right thing to do for the first district anyway right because somebody in sley county or McLoud County if they don't have this veterans court why shouldn't they be allowed to get into a veterans court so so what we did was we decided we're going to move to Scott County have court there which can be difficult because we running a really great program in Carver County and judge Kane did a great job there but we wanted to maintain our program and get this funding and we had to give up um some things as well and so the probation took over there but it's a great example of the collaboration it just made good sense to keep you know the program up and running and we still go and prosecute those cases or we handle those cases for our office it's just we go to Scott County and we share some resources now and we transferred some some money over there so that that's been a a big change you know with a veterans court because we started that in 2014 and you know really proud of that it's going to continue to thrive as well and our our drug treatment Court's really doing well and we received additional funding an enhancement Grant we didn't think we were going to get $750,000 so that was significant so our board at some Point's going to have to help us with the funding and that I think they're willing and able and they've been big supporters of these programs for the drug court how many do you think like this is probably the wrong term graduate from that without having without going back into the system oh with the reci them rates so the the data is really important on that and so we're collecting that data and it's really kind of early right now because we're a newer program with that but we're looking at that I think we've had a couple that uh you know um reoffended but if they graduate it it's pretty significant it's a low across you know the best practices it's very low um with that but part of you know treatment is that there are failur and when they're going through this it's a two-year program so they're going to some of these people that are in that they're going to not necessarily re offend but they'll test positive and then they have consequences and get connected reconnected as well and recall when I talked about this that it's really the um high-intensity offenders it's not the low-level offenders for the drug treatment that was surprising to me that that doesn't really benefit them like this two-year program for the not not drug kingpins you know the people that are really dealing and and we did have a a very um significant um case recently that went to jury trial and he was well it didn't go to jury trial we we settled on the day of trial but it was a sentence a prison sentence for somebody who was a significant dealer and has other pending cases as well so those cases you know they don't qualify for that um but you know it's really been a great great program for others to be involved in too it gives a different perspective I think to our prosecutors instead of coming through the traditional way so we'll continue with that and you know build upon what we have something we implemented and finished finally was this new case management system and and that was going through with the stages of grief in an office you know and getting past the angry stage and we all in going all right we're going to get past this but we had had mcaps for uh 25 years and we looked at this new program it's more effective more efficient and it was an upfront cost of $150,000 but it was going to save us money down the road for example like electronic Discovery so instead of now having to file you know submit these Discovery packets of police reports and body camera and everything we still do some of that but we're able to download it and then hit the button and then they can get this so the public defender office and defense so that's going to really save us costs and we can track um data better on this new program so we've been doing it for about a year now so it's going really well um and then this isn't necessarily in our office but you you may be aware that the county has been working with a space plan for a long time and because they're really out of space and and it doesn't have as much effect on our office and the courts when but it'll affect everybody but not significantly but for like Health and Human Services and our Auditors elections that building if if people have been in that that side of the courthouse and people went to vote there so what they're proposing to do is to destroy that building and then build up in that area you know two or three floors and then um so they're moving along um that and I I don't want to say exactly when it's going to be done but you know hopefully before 2030 that they can have that and that's going to be really significant cost too you know I don't know again I'm not going to they have estimates but you know by the time they get done with that it's going to be more than it is but it's exciting to see that because it's a necessity for us to continue growing and I don't know if any of you people that are watching have been out to Lake Waconia but there's the The Pavilion or the um Paradise Commons they call um and that's really a great new facility out there and my wife and I like to go out there and the on the water on the lake and go to Coney Island you can get off and grill out there and then go to the Pavilion so we're going to have our office retreat in December out there at the paradise Comm so it'll be nice so if you can get out there use you know these great resources that we have in Carver County because people pay their taxes and they really benefit from that and the trails and our Parks so that's all I have for tonight thanks again for having me right any questions for the county attorney no questions but you know I've heard a couple of your presentations in the past now I learn a lot and thank you for the work that your office does I think we get a a great J on great value for that yeah thank you I just I just had a um I know you I had a presentation you did about the Cannabis stuff earlier in the year and uh I don't know may or something um have have you guys had any luck in getting um some of the um I thinking uh driving well impaired stuff I know that was kind of concern I'm just wonder if you have any updates on you know training or if you've got any direction from the state on that kind of those are really difficult cases to prove because with alcohol if you're a 08 or more it's right there and that's a number and with juries they can look at that and say well you're an 09 they don't have that but they're training drug recognition experts across the state to make these determinations that people AR impaired the challenge is is that people will often say well I have a higher level but that's because I I'm a chronic smoker and I smoked last night the last time so we've had some cases that we haven't been able to charge because we can't prove Beyond a reasonable doubt that they're impaired but we're going to continue work with our partners and if there's impairment or admissions that yeah I was or smoking in the car and they get pulled over but that's really challenging and then tomorrow at our board meeting the there's going to be a presentation on the cannabis laws and the ordinance so there's a proposed ordinance that um the the county board's going to consider and our and we're going to be part of the presentation tomorrow to talk about that so we working a lot on that and certainly our office was very busy with the elections and dealing with um you know election laws and things like that so um but yeah we just stay tuned for for that okay thanks questions all right thanks for coming appreciate time nice to see you have a good night thank all right uh moving on we have a public hearing tonight 6.1 is a certification of delinquent payments um can I get a motion to open the public hearing please I'm moved to open the public hearing my council member W council member mock that we weren't going to be able to open it um any further discussion all those in favor say I I po same sign motion passes all right Miss shy thank you mayor and Council so um each year starting in late September the city determines the outstanding utility bills and as well as the city services that are owed to the city um all residents are contacted multiple times by letters um sometimes by emails notifying them of their amount due um and then also the process of how to pay us when to pay us by the end of November and also letting them know of this specific meeting um so if they do not pay they're not they're notified that we will certify their amount due to their 2025 property taxes we do that by sending the amount by the end of November to um Carver County and um tonight I have 27 delinquent utility accounts for certification and one pass city services bill um I will allow payments likely for another week um we let them know that they should have made payment by tonight um I'll give a little Grace but uh ultimately I will be certifying by November 30th any questions um how do we when the county you know what I'm sorry we doing this wrong okay because it's a public hearing I'm really sorry sorry um let's see uh with that are there any public comments on this no okay all right then um now I think we should close the public hearing I move to close the public hearing Mo counc member wsh I'll second second by council member s any further discussion all those in favor say I I same sign motion passes all right now good we got out of order um when the county collects this through the taxes right then how do we recoup this how when do we get it back how does it come back to us how do we make sure we're getting it yeah that's a good question so we get it when they disperse our property tax revenue to us um and then we get half of it in June and then the other half in December okay yep and then it's it's broken out by payment type and so we know that it's for delinquent utilities or the city services okay um and then does that show on their record too so the homeowner is going to see their yep yes good question question so the homeowner will see this as a separate line item on their property tax statement as an assessment to the city of Carver okay all right that's all I have thanks any other questions yeah go ahead can I just clarify too there's one rather large unpaid fee at the very bottom um and kind of stands out I wanted to make sure the council knows that's um gosh probably a year plus worth of um court costs attorney fees other things for the 216 caror Creek Place property um that's a we we assessed last year if you recall for the demolition costs which was a separate process um we had to go get special permission from the district court judge to certify all of the city's um legal fees filing fees there was you know a number of Court hearings and other things that were related to that matter um and then once we got permission to do that um that one lagged a year behind just given the fact that we had to go request that special permission from the court so after we got that we moveed that through um not on wood but um we're hearing that that lot is supposed to sell at the end of no November so we're asking the council to approve the certification tonight in the event the closing falls through we're going to certify it but if we get that payment from the title company um as expected that one won't go to the county because we'll be able to get that sooner so I just wanted to make sure that was clear given the high number the fact that it stands out a little bit so that becomes um the responsibility of the new buyer if it goes through but it's it's uh the previous owner's responsibility if it doesn't uh no so it'll have it it will be paid at closing it'll come out of the seller's proceeds at closing and if the closing falls apart then he'll still own the Mr tala and his wife will still own the property and it will go on to their tax rules for next year right I had it in my head that they had lost the property too they still yeah okay yep any other questions or a motion I move to adopt resolution 1 15-24 that accepts and certifies the assessment role for delinquent utility bills and city services bills for cost provided in response to public nuisance abatements motion council member Walsh oh second second by any further discussion all those in favor say I I both same sign motion passes all right thank you moving on to the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda motion by council member mock a second thank you second by council member wsh any further discussion all those in favor say I I I oppose same sign motion passes moving right along to business items 8.1 the snow plowing policy and Ice control policy Mr mer uh good evening mayor and Council so I'm kind of taking this one as the interim Public Services director but I had a a lot of help from uh our two superintendents uh Paul Schultz and Eric menth we had a series of of meetings U bringing back the snowplowing and Ice control policy last reviewed by the council in 2021 uh kind of primarily serves six fun six functions what I have listed uh snowplow Maps probably the biggest thing for the council and and residents is the commencement of operations at 2 in or more of snow uh but as you can see uh also commencement during certain ice pack or snowpack drifting or other conditions as determined by the superintendent our order of operations use of salt and brine property damage provisions and then management of service concerns so in looking at the uh the policy uh we chose to kind of rewrite it uh just for formatting and ease of read um primary AR change number one is reclassifying streets by letter so we have Street type A B and C uh the previous policy had listed by priority and uh I thought that that sent the wrong message out to Residents as far as who has different priorities so I understand there's a little bit of word play in there but I do think it's uh significant uh also removed a lot of kind of detailed language that I would attribute to more of like a standard uh operating procedure manual that is more internal staff facing of when uh plow drivers are out and in what Manner they plow the snow I can give you a little bit of line of sight uh with uh kind of our new kind of organization our previous um plowing uh process involved routes and shifts as you could see from the old policy and uh Paul and the team this is primarily a a general superintendent an issue so Paul Schultz uh really ad advocated for and you can kind of see it within the flexibility here of kind of all hands on deck uh during the snow plow event so instead of saying two plows out uh you'll see all the equipment that we have all out at once and then uh with a kind of an exception of we'll keep kind of one or two uh members of the team back so that if there are once we kind of take care of the event and clean all the areas that there's still you know one to two people to handle icy intersection or whatever not that we you know run the entire team for 12 hours and then everyone's shot and we don't have it anybody for the next 12 hours um I would say the biggest pieces uh that we had discussion on is has the most kind of Resident impact facing pieces so uh one is mailboxes um so in the old uh policy uh the city would take on if the resident wished to to have the city construct a mailbox for them if uh mailbox was damaged uh from a snowplow event um we're taking that out uh just don't want to spend the time or the resources constructing a mailbox um and looking at uh policy examples from other cities just doing a street reimbursement but recognizing um that even just the basic mailbox you're spending well over $100 uh so we we're increasing that from to 150 and then um kind of a personal policy uh recommendation that I have um it's kind of irrelevant to the public services team but um we have a number of instances um where we're hitting sprinkler heads and even that is in the RightWay and uh the balance of our policy would say if you'd put uh intentional Landscaping down within the RightWay we're not going to replace that and that still holds true when we go and damage a sprinkler head we're going kind of below the surface um and so there are examples uh in Eden Prairie and Plymouth where they reimburse for sprinkler heads and the times that we haven't done it uh Paul Schultz and members of the team have been um gotten a lot of negative feedback from residents it becomes a real personal issue and frankly there are times where I understand that Paul's just said okay we'll take care of it and so I don't want to put the team in a position where we're just doing that when someone really gets chewed out if we're going to do it we should do it universally uh it doesn't happen all that much uh but I do think uh just for the kind of based on Resident relationships it should be something that the city council uh should consider um and so you can see those two changes as far as reimbursements go again we reviewed the policy on several occasions with the superintendent uh so you'll see uh just a clean policy along with the um appropriate route maps and then following that in the packet is the current policy along with the route map so I'm happy to go over over any of these items in detail or any policy language that you'd like to have questions answered on thank you questions for Bren I do go ahead um and I see okay so when I look at the policy from 2021 as compared to now I see why this carried over um but when we're looking at the type-c streets Trails now I almost wonder if we shouldn't have then typed D and move the trails down because when I'm reading through that language in that paragraph the two things don't necessarily Jive together because it one sentence start once the snow event has ended then the snow REM the remaining Trail so if we're going to do type c and then that it says and we'll do that next and then it says once that's all ended then we're going to get to the remaining Trails the ice rank call the sex so we're saying we're going to do the to me when we're looking it it's not a priority list anymore but these are these a b c and d now to me when we're looking at talking about the ice Rank and remaining trails that doesn't fit to me with residential streets and alleys because we've always gone for obviously getting people mobile through the city before we're going to get to the trails so I would I would prefer to see that maybe we have a type D in there and have that split out and move the trails and the ice rank down to its own section so they don't get jumbled up into the same one because I think for myself I I think they're very different I don't have any objections to that I think it's a good call up else have any thoughts on that specifically no objection yeah it's fine with me okay done okay thank you thanks everyone yeah anything else comments questions a question on the use of salt and brine so number seven concern about using a lot of it and I get that if is in the lakes and streams and rivers uh but isn't the pre-treatment that we use kind of the best way to reduce chloro to to put down that brine mixture ahead of an event I don't have enough background in it I know it's the like the least like physically intrusive as far as like um the actual material because it goes down wet and then dries um but I I thought it helped us reduce I'd have to connect with Paul and okay to know for certain right but I'll I'll make sure that we do a followup for that other questions um no I just I I do like the idea of adding the the sprinkler reimbursement if someone's yard is sufficiently damaged by a snowpaw that it dug into the dirt and hit their sprinkle I think $35 for making a resident happy is a that's certain yeah C certainly uh uh you know good idea right it's called political Capital exactly exactly and taking a scoop of their lwn yeah taking a scoop of their lwn yeah no I think that was excellent um and then uh on the on the plow map the uh the emergency route that's basically the the ones that are plowed first right the high high priority I guess if we're not using that term any the main you know like you said the main thow fars correct and then the rest of them is just um we have three Pro trucks now or do we have four we will be getting a fourth but not for like another year okay that's yeah I think these are all great updates hopefully we get to use it this year yeah we did get our new payloader oh good all right um can I get a motion to adopt the snow and ice control policy sure I'll make a motion to adopt excuse me I'll make a motion to adopt the snow po okay give me one second all right I'm going to make a motion to adopt the snow plowing and Ice control policy with the changes requested council member Mock and a second by council member wsh any further discussion all those in favor say I I I same sign motion passes right thank you uh on to the 2025 to 20230 2034 financial plan Missy thank you mayor and council tonight we're here to consider a motion to approve the long-term financial plan um I'm not going to go through the entire plan as we have done so a couple other times um but I will call out some highlights of the long-term plan um So based on certain assumptions at a moment moment in time is how we created this long-term financial plan um again the long-term financial plan is not a budget but it is a guide for the city to use um to help us when we need to Pivot at some point and it will help us make decisions um the actual results um that happen you know in 2024 will determine the future of the long-term financial plan and and so on and so forth um the object another object Ive is to determine Revenue sufficiency to support General government and utility operations and building Capital reserves for the future and in order to do this we need our plan to model projected future tax levies tax rates and utility rates so Council has reviewed the plan including the capital projects and the projected rates and tonight we're looking for a motion to adopt the 2025 to 2020 2034 long-term financial plan all right and that was kind of the clickn version but if anybody's interested in the full long-term financial plan we reviewed it during our work session on October 21st so um there's a lot in there if you're not familiar with it but it's the road map to what goes into our our budget what goes into our water funds our utility billing so everybody asked why the water bill is so high and I think the comment that I had during that presentation was I don't like this either but it's fiscally responsible because we are already saving for the next Water Treatment Plant we're already saving for the next plow truck really anything that the city needs that is in our 10year long-term plan that's where you'll find it that's when you can figure out what year it's in the plan for how much we estimating it'll cost and how it fits into the greater scheme of things so um thank you that any questions on the long-term financial plan no or a motion motion I'll make a motion to approve the 2025 through 2034 long-term financial plan motion make coun mman I'll second second by council member Walsh any further discussion all those in favor say I I I oppose same sign motion passes all right up next Communications yes nothing for me Oh I thought you were raising your hand okay um all right re you want go first uh yes um I had one question for Aon did how's the bridge come in figured I was going to get that question um it's we're still moving it's going slow with some of the weather that's been happening lately um we're planning to have poor two of three done last Friday which didn't get completed just because they it didn't come together as quickly as they were hoping so and with today and tomorrow's weather we're probably not going to get poor two done until probably closer to the end of this week so we're probably about a week behind to be honest with you at this point which would mean that the last scheduled por would be towards the end of next week which is the week of Thanksgiving so um at this rate I think we're probably looking at that last por being early the week of December 2nd at which time then we can backfill the the roadway um towards the end of that week so I think last time I reported to council we were we were saying back filling early the week of the second um I'm it's feeling to me like it's we're bought a week behind to be honest with everybody is concrete generally unaffected by cold weather or are we there any concerns on like if it starts getting too cold not concerned about cold weather at this time it's the concrete puts out heat yeah as it cures so that's a part of the reaction process so with that and the forms that are around it I'm not concerned about the concrete like freezing as it cures they might put like um a sheet of poly like over the top which help helps any heat from escaping like out the top of the form but um there's cold weather protection plans that we just Implement based on temperature variations so um I think probably the biggest concern is since things are push back slightly is how long will asphalt plants stay open um as we continue on in the season the plants around here will will close um the last plants that usually close are like St Paul has a plan that we might have to pull a mix out of so that's really the only thing that I would be concerned about at this point I don't think that we're going to not get it brought back up to grade and area base it's whether or not that last asphalt plant in the Twin Cities would would still be open so um and we really won't know that until we know what happens a couple weeks out because at some point it's just it's too energy intensive for them to heat the plant up to keep it running so I have a question question along yeah goad with that one then um so we've had some issues when we've had some rainfall before that we've had some leaks happening down there when it comes to or it's they've had some issues with the the process because of extra water coming through um I don't know if they've changed or not they were saying possibly up to an inch that could have changed from the last time I heard it do we I mean if this were if that were to happen again obviously we're blocking up a stream things happen right when we get lots of rain I mean is it possible that we're just not going to make it this year and that's not going to be opened um so they had some issues with the stream like coming into the excavation that was a couple weeks ago but they actually like changed their bypass pumping plan around so I don't know if you've been down there but they actually have two large um HTP culverts that are strung through the bigger concrete Culver right now so we actually have a gravity outlet that goes through um if we got like a massive like 10e rainstorm it went be enough but hopefully with this rain that we're getting now between those pipes and then they still have pumps on the Upstream side too that they'll that'll be able to keep up okay and let's say we get to a point where um is there a temperature that the asphalt companies close or is it just demand that closes them um I think ultimately it's probably demand driven if there's not enough demand to Warrant them you know paying to to heat all that okay material up would we possibly go to just a gravel base without putting the asphalt on if we got to that point where that no I think the gravel's fine um that would just be an issue that uh public services and I would have to coordinate on and all that the preferences to do asphalt just because if we're going to have parking and those sorts of things um it's going to be a lot more desirable to have over the winter um but if we get to the point where asphalt just isn't on the table table then we'll just have to make it work with with gravel well then it'll freeze it'll just be great in the spring right yeah so Brent anything you want to add I I think the question just to just to kind of slim it down there's not a condition where it doesn't get the uh head walls don't get poured and back filled that'll happen the only thing that we're questioning is whether or not we put a thin layer of black top on for the winter but the road will be open no matter what correct correct okay I just want the reality cuz you can't we can't control when a flood comes through earlier in the year and we can't control when it rains now so if that's the reality that we you don't only go that far then that's what we do so yeah no I'm still seeing that the road will get opened at this point so okay okay thank you yep um and then uh the county parks uh meeting was canceled this month and then we have a Planning Commission meeting this Thursday so for city of Carper that's all I have chy okay uh we had an HPC meeting last week the uh contractor for the dogghouse was there so um their plans were approved with just a couple of minor changes um so they are expecting to start work I thought he said possibly this week yet for some of the the demo uh it looks like they have some really nice plans over there and the dog house is really gonna get a nice facelift so that's good to see uh we also uh had I guess a message from the Carver on the Minnesota Group which is a historical group in town um who works on um having people enjoy our historic areas and they have extended an invite to the HPC that they would like to come in and present to us about what they do and see if there's any um Partnerships or any type of work we could do together um or just even whether it's you know promoting each other's you know our commission but also what they're doing so um news to come if if anything comes of that but one they'll just be at our meeting to let us know about what uh what their mission is and what uh what their plans for the future are there was the Sun brunch I was unable to make it so I'm going to punt that one over to the next it's on my list I will absolutely take that um no updates or additional meetings I don't have any significant updates I attended the Southwest trans at uh autonomous vehicle kickoff I think that was November 7th uh so there was a media event and Carol was there I was also at the company who does that may I was at their Innovation lab in peach Tree Georgia last week and uh autonomous vehicles that transport people at tip of the iceberg we are going to see autonomous delivery of things like Pharmaceuticals sooner than we think uh it really is only um ordinances city ordinances that are in the way of that but those will I think those will start to change uh and then the only other thing is uh Kayla welcome I haven't uh seen you since the election so congratulations city meetings are not usually over before 8 don't get used to it's an excuse for me not to put the kids to bed for once comes hubby's job that's all for all right thank you um some updates from me on November 5th there was a league of Minnesota City's executive committee meeting that's kind of where we do the the pre- meeting before our meetings and kind of work on the agenda and make sure that um there's nothing that needs to be discussed before the full meeting on uh November 7th uh we had a Southwest Corridor Transportation Commission meeting so got an overview of all of the plans um from Carver County that are going to be taking place from a transportation and roads and bridges perspective over the next three years and my goodness there's going to be a lot of stuff going in from Highway 5 to I always get it wrong it's like 80 Seconds Street 86 8 82nd Street um to roundabouts along angler at 41 and two other places along there um a roundabout probably the project that I'm the most excited about is the roundabout at Pioneer Trail and Jonathan Carver Parkway because that is a hairy hairy hairy intersection if you're trying to get back to Carver from chasa during rash hour um so just a really um good overview to see what's going on from a transportation perspective in our area um also on November 7th we had a league of Minnesota cities board meeting our November meeting is always the big one where we set up policy adoption for the previous year um so the kind of general areas or themes that the league is focusing on for their policies are adult use cannabis I surpris there um bonding Emeral ashor emergency medical services employment issues housing LGA local decision making which is the new term that they using instead of local control uh local sales taxes Public Safety Duty disability sales tax is exemption on construction materials transportation water and infrastructure policies so lots of stuff and probably dozens of different policies under all those different broad categories um but the league is ready for the session to start so couple months early um November 8th I got to speak to fourth grade classes at Carver Elementary they just finished their civic l and I got all of the questions um from what is your favorite color do you have kids um to like how didn't you find enough time in the day which was like do I your parents complaining about the time day fourth grader um but they are always darling and insightful and humbling so um really really good group November 10th was the cover Lions brunch I always say if the lions are cooking don't miss it it was so so much good food um um and really just fun way to see your neighbors at that event November 11th was the Veterans Day program at chasa Middle School West where was there um I've gone every year since I've been elected they do a really nice job with a flag raising in the parking lot um and then everybody goes inside to the gym where they do a really formal program um with singing and Orchestra and band and choir um and then presenters from each of the three grades sixth seventh and eighth graders who and then a bilingual presentation has been added in the last couple of years but just again really cool to see not only the kids do a superstellar job but also to see our friends and neighbors who have served and to be able to recognize them um I was at that Carver on the Minnesota meeting on November 12th um they're getting very excited about their event that's coming up on I believe it's December 7th um it's going to be you guys remember preco there used to be a hor drawn carriage for the flag or for the flag tree lighting um and that's coming back so my mind's eyes sees like lightly falling snow and perers and I think it's going to be just all the best of a small town um and then um last week I was in Tampa for the national league of cities City Summit so as part of my role on the executive committee on the league of Minnesota cities I went there to help represent the league of Minnesota cities at the National Conference it was the um National League of cities 100th anniversary so it's my understanding this is my first time going to the conference but they really kind of blew it out of the water and made it extra special um but I was there the conference was Wednesday through Saturday um and it was a long time but some really really great sessions on um public to Corum and uh resident engagement I'm going to bring in um my handouts and maybe put them on the counter uh the tabletop in here and maybe ask that they stay here for a week or so so that if you guys are interested you can kind of pick and choose and read at your leisure if you're interested nothing on chicken ordinance best practice yeah I know no actually unless I missed that one but the whole day sure ask our friends in chasa I know that that's a somewhat Universal issue um and then um had a 4M board meeting which is um the Investments That cities put their money into if you read the the reports we have money in the Forum fund so that was November 13th so that has been kind of my last couple of weeks so um with that I would entertain a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn motion by council member freshman I'll second second by council member Walsh all those in favor say I I same sign motion passes good evening I think i' asked a question