Hey [ __ ] Is it? >> They have not. >> We were noting planning commission behind. >> It was almost two minutes behind at the planning commission meeting. So, it's >> better now. Maybe I come back to a good place. >> We are about that. I love that they fantastic. The only thing that could be better is if the puppy was joining to the flag of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Um before we continue through the the nuts and bolts of the meeting, I want to welcome you guys all. Thank you all for joining us. This is a bigger uh group than we've seen in a number of years. Just want to give you guys all a heads up. We are dealing with some technical uh demons tonight. Our microphones are not working. And a complicated we have a member who is participating remotely. Council member Conrad is on the Zoom. So if it sounds like we are raising our voices, that is intentional. um we generally don't so much in here, but we need to make sure that she can physically see us and hear us at all times. So, um just giving that disclaimer just in case you're like, "Wow, they were really yelling at me." Not it's with purpose tonight. So, um let's see. With that, can I get a motion to approve the agenda, please? >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Motion by council member. >> I'll second. Second by council member Ser. Can I get a roll call, please? Council member Conrad. >> I. >> Council member Hirshman. >> I. >> Council member St. I. >> Council member Pasco. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. Motion passes. >> All right. Community comments. Presenters are welcome to address the council for matters relevant to the city of Carver's authority for up to five minutes on items that are not listed on the agenda. Specific requests for information may not be immediately available, in which case followup will occur with the presenter sometime after the meeting. The city council should not be expected to immediately act on requests. However, we'll follow up accordingly and may schedule items for future consideration. Is anyone here tonight for community comments? >> I think that's what I'm here for. >> No, you are actually you can come on up. You are next on the agenda. >> Oh, okay. >> Just last chance. Anybody else comments? It's generally not time that anybody rose up. So, all right. I'm not into this. Nope. Um, so you must be Kim with SCBA. >> I am Ki with SBA. >> So, welcome. Why don't you introduce yourself and let us know what you're all about and why you're here tonight. >> My name is Harfield. I sit on the board at the Southern Valley Alliance. I'm also a nurse and I um a director of operations at St. Francis Regional Medical Center. >> Thanks for having me. >> Hi. Uh, excuse me. Good evening, mayor and council members. Thank you for having me here today to speak with you. Um, as I said, I'm a member of the board of directors at Southern Valley Alliance. October is domestic violence awareness and now more than ever, it's imperative that the city of Carver recognize and work to combat domestic violence. Southern Valley Alliance is the only organization to provide service to victims of domestic abuse in Scott and Carver counties. In the last fiscal year, we served 27 victims in power alone, answering over 2,000 calls on our crisis line annually, resist with victims and survivors in their greatest time of need by providing crisis intervention, emotional support, rescue resources, and safety committee. SBA is in the prevention and solution focused organization and we partner with law enforcement, social services, and healthcare providers to make uh communities of Scott and Carver County a safer place to live. Southern Valley Lounge was was founded in the 1980s in Bell Plain by a local woman who experienced spousal abuse. SBA moved to Shakape in January of 2024 and since then we have experienced a 20% increase in the demand for our services because of greater accessibility to our advocacy center. Victims and survivors are now now able to reach us more than ever before. As a community- based and community funded organization, SB is facing significant federal, state, and local funding cuts. Amidst these cuts, it is important that the city of Carver recognized domestic violence awareness month and is does all it can to support the victims and survivors uh today and throughout the year. We encourage community members to follow us on social media and learn more on our website, SVM. Thank you for your support of Southern Valley Alliance and helping us support those in our community. Thank you for coming. Um, if you guys haven't been to visit, Christie has been like very very generous for time and gave me a tour. You guys have a really great location. I've been to both of them. The Shaki location is definitely an an upgrade and I know it's more convenient for you and for the the clients that you serve. So, thank you very much. Um, what questions do you guys have? >> I don't have any. I appreciate you coming and just making a statement of awareness. >> I think that's important. So, appreciate you being >> Thank you. One more question. Just put you on the spot. You want to pitch your event this week? Do I want I'm sorry. You want to promote your events? >> Oh, okay. We have um uh flannels and flat jacks on Thursday morning. Um there's still tickets available, so if you'd like to come in and sign us, we'll thank you. Great. Um, the agenda, um, we have a public hearing for the capital improvement plan for the public services land acquisition. Um, so let's see. Um, I will make a motion to open the public hearing. Need a second on that. >> I'll second. >> Second. Uh, the motion was Mayor Johnson. The second was council member Pushman. And we roll call, please. Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Freshman, >> I. >> Council member Ser. >> I. Council member Pascal. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. Motion passes. All right. All right. Welcome. Thank you very much, Madam Mayor. Council, what you have for you before you this evening, excuse me, is a resolution providing for the preliminary approval of capital improvement plan bonds and then also the approval of a five-year capital improvement plan which is meant to facilitate the issuance of those capital improvement plan bonds. Um so just to be very clear, we are not suggesting or um bringing forward right now um the approval of bonds. This would be at a future date um as the city has a number of different projects next year. So rather than have you issue on a singular basis and go through all of that process combining some things down the road but getting through some of the statutory approval process at this point. So, some of this may feel a little bit familiar to the council as we just did this last year um as the council was doing some HVAC improvements to your current public services facility and then also the construction of that addition to the fire hall related to the turnout here. So, apologies if any of this seems redundant um but we'll get through this quickly. So, currently we have a proposed through 2029 5-year capital improvement plan. This is related to the purchase of property that is proposed to be the site of the future public services facility. So, as the council is aware, um when we draft these plans, when we say capital improvement plan or your CIP, we're speaking specifically to the acquisition or construction of those essential service types type facilities. So, when we talk about that, it's uh city halls, uh police departments, fire halls, um public works departments, etc. So when we say CIP, we're not referring to your comprehensive CIP that tracks everything from acquisition of tools, equipment, um, streets, etc. This is again just specific to essential service facilities. So with that in mind, the plan that is in your packet this evening, as I mentioned, it's a 5-year capital improvement plan. Um, but the only uh proposed activity is again the uh facilitating the purchase of this property. So within the plan there are eight separate areas that are required under state law to be reviewed and acknowledged within your plan. Provide some details as to the process. So those start on page four of your plan and currently this speaks to the condition of city infrastructure. Now the city is not at the point where you need the public services facility today but you will need it in the very near term. So, the city is going through the process of acquiring land now um because of the fact that you can acquire property for what is likely less money than you would in the future. That it helps you to preserve your commercial and industrial property. And that it also helps with the design and the scope of the the actual uh public services that future uh vision of that property. Um number two, so the likely demand for the project. you've gone through all of the facility planning and the space needs analysis and that's been determined that of course you as you continue to grow add staff etc that you will need a new facility in the future. So again this time just looking to acquire property the estimated cost of the improvement. So now we're under number three. So the plan is drafted to allow for up to a million dollars to acquire that property. What we understand is that you're paying around 900,000 for that land. We give you a little bit of buffer in there just in case um you need a cushion so we don't have to come back if it's 910,000 for example. We don't want to set that right at 900. The available public resources uh the bonds that will are proposed to be issued in the future will be supported with adalorum property taxes. Relative benefits and cost of the alternative uses of funds. Um so we have looked at other issuing options for the city in terms of lease revenue bonds versus CIP bonds. Lease revenue bonds are typically more expensive for cities to issue because they are based on a lease payment and an annual appropriation. They do not carry the general obligation pledge of the city and that means they're more expensive for cities um not only from a cost of issuance perspective but from an interest rate perspective. So at this time um our understanding is that the city wishes to move forward with the uh the issuance of capital improvement plan bonds versus another issuance method. the operating cost of the proposed improvements. Currently, it's just land. So, we don't anticipate that there would be any ongoing uh costs related to um holding that land for future use. And then, of course, um statute does speak to or ask about alternatives for providing services um sort of in connection with other municipalities. Obviously, for a public works facility, it doesn't make sense for that to be located outside of city limits as your response times and your ability to provide service um would increase. So, with that, we then go through a couple of different um tests that are um related to the issuance of CIP bonds. So, there's the um limitation that you cannot exceed 3% of your overall market value. Of course, the city is not anywhere near close to that. And then we also do a test related to um the principle and interest that could be due in any given year when you have CIP bonds outstanding. So we do a test based on that and that cannot exceed.16% of your estimated market value. In both of those tests um we describe that within the plan and the city is well within your ability to issue the bonds and make debt service payments. With that I will pause. Uh any questions that I can answer for the council? I will step back in case anyone here wants to speak to the council. >> We're still in the public hearing. Does anybody have any comments about the capital improvement plan for the public services? >> All right. Um if there are no public comments um we will be closing the the public hearing. So again I'll ask are there any public comments? After all public comments are received if any the public hearing will be closed. No further comments on this issue will be received at this meeting. Last call for public comments. Okay. I get a motion to close the public hearing, please. >> I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. I'll second by council member. Any further discussion, please. >> Council member Conrad >> I. >> Council member Pchman. >> Hi. >> Council member I. >> Council member Pasco. >> Hi. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. Motion passes. >> All right. Any additional comments or questions from the city council? >> I'm just looking Christy looks like she's shaking her to go. Uh, no. Only because I was looking at my notes. We've been looking at this really close July fun discussion in August and we had the packet information ahead of time. So, I have all the information I need. >> Okay. All right. Um, I would need a motion, please. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to adopt resolution 130-25 giving preliminary approval to the issuance of genu general obligation capital improvement bonds in an amount not to exceed $1 million and adopting the city of Carver Minnesota capital improvement plan for the years 2025 through 2029 >> motion I'll second any further discussion Call please. >> Council member Conrad. >> Hi. >> Council member Pchman. >> Hi. >> Council member Ser. >> Hi. >> Council member Pasco. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> Hi. >> Motion passes. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> All right. Up next is the cons consent agenda. I get a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> Got a motion by Council Pasco. >> I'll second. Uh second by council member Conrad. Any further discussion? Um just for those of you in the audience, the consent agenda is generally items that don't require much discussion are very kind of turnkey in nature, if you will. Um things like meeting minutes um and approving um liquor licenses. Um those kinds of things are what are on the consent agenda tonight. So we do so we approve all of those in kind of one fell swoop. With that, can I get the roll call up to? >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Pchment, >> I. >> Council member Ser, >> I. >> Council member Pasco, >> I. Mayor Johnson. >> All right. Um, first we have under business items, the tackle val. >> Thanks. I think so. Okay. Thank you. So, tonight we're reviewing Can I use the cliff? >> Oh, wait. Is that me? >> All right. Tonight, we're reviewing a concept plan for Taco Bell. So, we're asking tonight that you provide general feedback information that you'd be looking for the next time you see an application. So, if you have a question tonight that you'd like to see should they move forward with an additional application, this is your chance to ask that question and hopefully we can incorporate it into our plans or at least our discussion with Taco Bell as we move through the planning process. So, some context of where we're located. We are in Carver Commons adjacent to Next Up Learning Center, Quick Trip, Hometown Bake, Mo, Lushwab, and you can see on the screen that Taco Bell slides right between the Lushwab site, which is currently under construction, looks significantly taller than the building will actually be. So, if you drive past and you're shocked by its height, no, that's not the actual building height. And the Hometown Bank property. So, in the Freeway Commercial District, Taco Bell is a permitted use. Uh just a reminder for folks watching in the city council, the city does not choose businesses. We zone the property for a type. So this is zoned freeway commercial. Taco Bell is a permitted user in that district. A drive-thru is additionally permitted. We have some language in our code about distance from residential properties or if there's a street between. So this property uh the Taco Bell has purple parkway or county road 11 and the required space set back from residential properties. There is pladding that is being requested in this. So they are not planning to develop the entire outlot as it is today. So the entire space north of Quickrip and Hometown Bank. There will be a split leaving about 1.3 developable acres. Taco Bell will take about that same size. The remaining lot will be available for development. So Taco Bell will take a portion. There will be a remainder left for development in the future. A couple reminders and things to think about. The um slip right from Jonathan Carver Parkway into the Lehwab site was under construction this summer, so you're probably familiar with it now. But the Taco Bell will be just south of that, but have direct access from that slip right into the site and then with additional accesses from Monroe Drive again on a slip rate and then the full intersection a bit further west towards Meridian Fields. Some renderings that were included in the packet from the developer. So, it's a 2867 foot building. it does meet the required setbacks of the zoning district. So they are not currently requesting a planned commercial development overlay which we sometimes have to do if someone can't meet a set setback or have uh different requirements for their project from the zoning code. So at this point that request is not part of the application. It might be as we start to learn more about the site and thinking through some additional details but at this time it's not included. The site additionally includes 30 parking stalls for the business. So the renderings that are on the screen now would be as if uh next steps is behind you. So you're looking towards Jonathan Carver Parkway between you. So the vest wheel will face interior to the Carver common site. >> Garage door. >> Yeah. For trash. This is my next one. The site plan and plans in the packet include nine car lengths within the drive-thru. There's additional overflow into the parking lot. I know that was a concern when we looked at Hometown Bank and Mobile Monkey. What would it look like should uh drive-through traffic exceed what is allowable in the drive-thru, but it uh overflows into the parking lot, not a not a private or city street. So, it wouldn't be impactful to traffic routing for the remainder of the site. There's interior seating of tables and bar stools for 38 seats, and the trash enclosure is fully integrated into their building. So, this would be if you were standing um with Hometown Bank and Mocha Monkey to your right. Again, looking towards Jonathan Carver Parkway, but getting a feel for their signage as well as landscape plan that's included in the packet. So, getting into some of the nitty-gritty, here's the site plan. So, you can see something to highlight here are those nine car lengths that are included in the drive-thru. So, you can see how that they would queue through. And then for a little bit of um orientation, so the parking stalls that you see on the south, those are the hometown bank mocha monkey stalls. So you can start to get a feel of where Taco Bell aligns with that project to the south. Uh how it connects into the parking lot, that one way that goes north south in front of Hometown Bank, extends past the Taco Bell, connecting beyond Taco Bell into that slip right. So you'll start to get a feel for sight circulation once you get your bearings in that location with the Hometown Bank parking lot being shown as those parking stalls on the south side. Uh here's the interior of the building. Uh it's flipped from the packet. So if you really study the packet plans and you are saying that's upside down, um it got flipped. So JCP would be on the top of my screen with a drive-thru indicated with the arrow. So looking at the interior, you'll see the 38 spaces or seats with a bar stool and table seating. Majority of the facility being used for kitchen, prep space, bathrooms, etc. And then the full trash enclosure that is on the far right side of the screen right now near the drive-thru. Two other things to note and things to think about. Uh we had someone from the public at the planning commission meeting that uh came in and talked a little bit about dark sky and signage overnight and talking about some signage in Carver Commons that is bright overnight. So that uh person shared an email with me. I'll pass it on to Brent to share with the council just contemplating um overnight signage in general. So the comments weren't specific to the Taco Bell, but she requested that we think about uh keeping the dark sky as dark as possible. But as part of any application, we get a photovoltaic plan that shows where the lights will be located and then where the spill of the lights will be. So, it's always our goal that a parking lot and facility is safe, but that light typically does not spill off of their site. So, on the left, you can see that plan. And then on the right is landscape, which includes eight trees, 75 shrubs, and then 36 reed grasses throughout the plan. So, a generous landscape plan throughout the parking lot and around the perimeter of the building. Again, just some renderings of the building. Um, I think Shannon is in the back, so I'm going to invite her up to join the conversation. Again, council plan view, share comments, feedback, things that you'd like to see if they move forward with an additional application. Will you introduce yourself when you come up? >> My name is Shannon Marcus. I'm with Development. Um, and I'm happy to answer any questions. questions. >> So, how about hours of operation? >> Yeah. Um, so typically our hours are 7 6:00 to 7:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. Um, but it just varies kind of city to city depending on demand. Um, usually the 2 a.m. is weekends. Um, and then midnight to 1:00 a.m. on weekdays. >> How many how many jobs is this for you? >> Yeah, so ideally for fully staffed, we're around 40 employees. um mix of full-time and part-time, but 30 to 40 is ideal. >> This might be a question for you and I think you addressed it, but kind of the architectural compatibility >> that was a concern when we went through the lewap development going to make sure it fit alongside the bank. >> And I just will share I've shared this information with Shannon today too. The proposed materials they do meet the intent of our zoning code. So you can um provide suggestions, but in general the building does comply with our code. So we can work with Taco Bell, ask some questions, ask some preference related things, but in general it does conform with the freeway commercial zoning district. >> I really like to this is very early concept. I like seeing what I think must be the bikes to secure. Um, and I just will probably need a reminder Erica when we get to the point of whether that those type of things are final. Um, right now I don't have enough feel for like will people want outdoor seating or not, but I'll be looking to council and residents and you know kind of watch for that on concept plans. >> There's seating right now. >> Correct. No outdoor seating. Well, I see that seems funny. >> Yeah. Know, typically in Minnesota, you know, we don't use the outdoor seating as often. We have some locations with it that's not used as much as we like and plus with the trash sometimes isn't contained. Um, so we just like to keep kind of a tidy, clean site. Um, and so we've been removing the patio lately. >> Yes. So, we looked at this at planning commission two weeks ago, right? Is >> yeah, and I don't have any additional comments, but just to let the council know, um the the comments that came up were mostly to do with the appearance of the building. Um so the the two big things um there was some concern about the weathered metal the tower Taco Bell tower is going to is proposed to be of a weathered metal. So basically the rusted metal that you see on a lot of Taco Bell buildings now but also on some city projects like Chaza has some of that as well in some of their city projects. Um there was some concern that that would look aged, dated, worn down, etc. Um and the other one was that the way that these um windows are proposed um the that it looks um very much like industrial doors and some concern over making this look more like an industrial park than a commercial res commercial zone. Um especially with the Lewab next door. Um, and then obviously as always, purple is a big color and so that got brought up as well. But just so you guys know, that's those were the comments, the big comments that were brought up. >> Christie, >> uh, I'm going to follow up with what Kayla just stated. So, one of the comments I was going to have is that when we're looking at perspective two in the packet, um, that side of the building really looks like just a bunch of garage doors. So, it it gives me that same feeling as comments came in at the planning commission that we look really industrial that we have a bunch of buildings of garage storage. Now, don't get me wrong, I like the end one, right? Cuz we're keeping the garbage inside. I think that's great. But as I look down the building and then we look down the lewab, it just to me this gives me an appearance of garage doors also. So for um for my question I guess is this a I know that you have certainly have your branding standards, your colors, your certain design standards. Is this typical to have an entire side look like garage doors? >> Yeah. Yes and no. I mean this is our typical current design that corporate um has put out. Um so this is the one option that we have right now for our building design. Um, and so this is what we've been doing the last well since 2020. Um, for building design. >> Um, I mean there's more of an opinion, but you know, I do feel like it has broken up pretty well with the expression panels and the the purple. Um, you know, just to kind of give it some visual interest, if you will. Could you by any chance give us an example of a local recent Taco Bell that has a similar look to this so that maybe if we wanted to do drive by on our own time. >> So the the closest newest ones um are probably Minnetonka on Highway 7. >> Okay. >> Uh we also have Lakeville on 35W. Um kind of like Kio Cookook is kind of by the Imagine Theater and a little more down there. Um those are probably the two closest to to drive by. We have a lot of others, you know, like in North St. Paul and Andover. We have one going up in Ramsey right now, but that's more of a hike, I think. >> Okay. So, I mean, I'll just I guess I'll end that one that that is not my favorite look is to have that. Again, I understand that your branding, your, you know, your your Taco Bell logo, the color scheme, things like that are stuff that um comes with the territory of a Taco Bell. Uh I just that side looks really blank and and I I the aesthetics of it are just not pleasing to the eye for me. Um and I'll see if council has any other comments on that after I'm I I guess I'm done. But I I do appreciate the long um drive into the the drive-thru. Thank you, Aaron, for bringing that up, too, cuz that was a concern of mine when we were looking at uh Hometown Bank and the Mocha Monkey there. I I have a question. We with the light pollution. So, if we are looking at having this open and a drive-thru open until 2:00 a.m. in the morning, and we this if I'm looking at the topography right, um I can't remember what slide number it is that this building is going to sit up higher. So, as cars come through that drive-thru, now I know we're, you know, we've kind of thought of what happens when we go west, but what happens when we look east? When those cars are coming into that drive-thru and at 1:00 in the morning or midnight, those headlights are shining now across the road into Spring Creek development and shining into their windows. Can you speak to any remedy? Any thoughts on that? Have we have we, you know, looked at that already? >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, in the landscape, you can kind of see on the the two corners there's some um like landscape buffering, if you will. Um, >> can you tell me which sheet we're on here? I'm sorry. I can't see you, so I can't I don't know what slide we're on. >> See the slides that are up right now? >> I can't. >> Oh, okay. Um, >> oh, wait, there it is. Yep, I can. I did get it now. Okay. >> Um, so yeah, put up that that landscape buffer just to block those headlights. Um, because obviously you want to be a good partner and and neighbor. Um, and so typically that will suffice kind of as you turn it'll buckle the headlights >> and we can uh as we move through the process we can make sure that that corner specifically has a mix of like shrubs and arbory trees. So they can be blocking day one instead of an overstory tree which can take that probably wouldn't work since this is higher. We will be thoughtful about what happens on the corner and the landscape plan. >> Okay. Yeah, I would I would beef that up a little bit. Um, how about going the other direction? Obviously, that's an open lot for now. Um, I don't I don't perceive any issues with light going that direction with headlights. Do you, >> Erin? >> Christie, can you see the packet that's up? It shows landscaping on both the north and the south. >> I think and I think she just means like leaving the site. >> Leaving the site. So, that's the road. So, yeah, there's no landscaping there because it goes over into the empty 1.3 acres that's left. >> Yep. So, it'll be that lot and then um between there and Meridian Field, I would say Next Steps is about on the same plane as the Taco Bell. So, say that would be a buffer as well between that and Meridian Field. And it's it's a huge distance. It's a pretty big site east. >> Yeah. Yep. And then we will make sure that they uh that they abide by the foot candle requirements that we have at the property lines for the dark sky. >> Uh we don't have a dark sky ordinance, but yes, I will with MPCA light pollution. >> Yep. Yep. I'm Yes. I realize we don't actually have that, but we do have foot candle requirements, right? >> Yep. >> Okay. Okay. I think that's all my questions. Thank you. I am um this is a really significant project for the city of Harvard been talking and there are a lot of local restaurant tours, a lot of local businesses, some regional chains. This is kind of our first national chain. So there's something that's exciting that um and there is a ton of buzz. I think that we um put this announcement on Facebook right before Stebo Days, which is our community festival in early September. And I think that's the only thing that people approach me on the entire weekend. So, people are excited. Um, and I think with the number of families and the amount of running that folks in our community do, I think that a convenience fast food drive-thru restaurant is going to be very, very busy. Um, I I love that the the trash isn't closed. I think that that's really significant. Sometimes it's really tough to shield those kinds of things. Um, I love the thought that was put into the car queuing because again, I do think you're going to be fairly busy. So, I think it's important to kind of plan for an overabundance of vehicle traffic of folks who are trying to get a quick bite to eat in between things. Um, the questions and I kind of share some of the same feedback. We had an individual who reached out to me and then I advised him to go to the planning commission meeting um with this feedback just on design elements of trying to incorporate more stone and wood in our area. The newer Taco Bells that we see are Waconia and Jordan. And I believe that those are a couple versions of building past. Um, but I think that those are a less um a little less um purple forward. Um, which I think is something that I would love to see if there's any wiggle room in that. Um, because again I think it trying to keep with the architecture of that area with Hometown Bank with Next Steps. um it's a little less um just kind of glaring and kind of more of warm colors versus cool colors. That said, I completely understand that you can tell me to pound sand and that you do fit all of our requirements for architecture. Um I I appreciate the the screening thoughts and the idea to be a good neighbor. Um but I'm really excited about the jobs. So that is it for my comments. just rest. >> Perfect. No, thank you. We're very excited to be here as well. Um, and to that point with the building design, I know that was discussed at the planning commission. Um, and so we talked internally trying to figure out a way, but uh, Everbrite is the sign vendor that's been approved by corporate. Um, so we're just a Taco Bell franchisee. Um, so we don't unfortunately get a lot of say in in what we build. We're just kind of told this is what you can. Um and so Everbrite the uh the sign vendor doesn't even make the slat wall anymore unfortunately that um is on the explorer light which is what's in Wakonia and Jordan and honestly a lot of the places surrounding here um were that model um and so unfortunately it's not even available today um which is kind of a bummer but we've had a lot of or success with this model too that we'll be building since 2020. 1 I believe. Um and so we've found that the community overall has liked it historically, but I do understand the you know the interesting um finishes to a point stone or wood or you know different looks as well. >> And we'll continue the conversation too like what we captured tonight will go in a staff comment letter and even if the building can't significantly change maybe a couple more of those focal panels could be added in a couple locations that might be important. So, we'll continue the conversation. Yeah. >> I'm really interested. Can you talk to me about who you are? How many franchises does this group have? Where are you based out of? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, so Marvin Development is who is looking to purchase and build the Taco Bell. Um, Border Foods is kind of our the sister company, if you will. They're our operator. Um, and so we're a family-owned and operated um franchisee. only build and operate Taco Bells. Um I believe we have 253 as of today, Monday. Um so >> did that change? >> Yes, we opened up one in Hudsonville, Michigan today. >> Yes. >> So yeah, we're across 10 states, all in the Midwest. Um so we are but we're housed here in so it's a pretty small office relatively. Um but we've been expanding and and trying to build more in the places that we already are in the communities of. Um, and just looking to, you know, try to branch out further, especially in Minnesota since this is our home state. We're so close. >> Well, there's a taco getting here. Can you um I don't know if it's a you question or Aaron question, but can you talk to me about timeline shovels in the ground? >> Yeah. Um, your first burrito. >> The sooner the better. Um but right now we are in um oral agreements with United Properties just to purchase the property. Um and I believe the final prelim and the final plat are hopefully coming up yet this before winter. Um and so once we're able to purchase the property, we're hopefully looking to start the next, you know, beginning of construction season, whether that's the spring, summer, um would be ideal, but you know, we don't own the property yet, so I don't want to speak too soon. Um but we're excited to start building as soon as we are able. And then what is a construction site look like? >> Yeah. So our average is roughly 120 days give or take. So uh fourish months. >> Oh fast. >> It is fast. Yeah. Um we typically use Fullerton which is like a a building system that kind of already has the walls constructed so they just put them up. Um so basically you're going to go from seeing a slab to a building in a week. Um which is kind of crazy. Then we obviously build up the inside and everything. So it's similar how the apartments were constructed. So if it felt like that happened really quickly, it was that same system. >> Yeah. Yeah. So we're able to build them quick and and we have a couple of favorite PCs that we use that help speed up the process and kind of work out the kinks. So it's a very nice smooth process. So yeah, roughly four months. >> Thank you for letting me interrogate you. >> Thank you for questions. I appreciate it. >> All right. Um, don't think we need any action on this one. All right, I think we're done. >> Appreciate it. >> Um, up next we have the Hide Residential Development Project, the EAW Findings of Act. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh, like you just mentioned, tonight we're reviewing the environmental assessment worksheet or the EAW for the Enclave at Carver Creek presented by Dr. Horton. There are members from the EAW team, Dr. Horton, and then their engineer in the room, too. So, if you don't have questions at Erin and I can answer, they've got a whole team here to answer some questions, too. So, some projects project reminders is proposed by Dr. Horton, which they historically have built Meridian Fields in Hawthorne Ridge in the city of Carver. The property that the EAW studied is roughly 255 acres at time of concept plan and the EAW it's about 530 units. It's a mix of single family and multif family. So town homes and the comprehensive plan guides the property as residential both low and high. So that's the mix of single family and town homes. So location we are west of our current city limits. So connecting into the preserve on the northernmost side, the Brandle Anderson project and then Timber Creek as you move south with the Lenar project. So area that would need to be annexed into the city of Carver but directly adjacent to two residential projects that are getting pretty close to completion based on uh building permits and construction that's been happening over the past couple years in the preserve and Timber Creek. The concept plan is on the screen now. I know the city council looked at a couple versions of this as we worked through some details about parks and trails and connection and an abundance of culde-sacs. So the most recent one that the city council reviewed is on the screen now. So general concept showing the 530 units split between a few models that Dr. Horton offers. So the orangey color is their more traditional single family. green on the norththeast side is a smaller lot and then on the northwest where the high density residential is called for in the comp plan is the town home project. So you can see the different uh types of housing that they're offering in the concept plan for the enclave. So what is an environmental assessment worksheet? What are we working on tonight specifically? So it's required by Minnesota Minnesota state statute based on project size. So the most recent one we reviewed was for the United Properties Industrial Project. So that triggered it due to project size of that industrial user. Similarly, the enclave triggered it by number of single family units. So depending on how many units will decide if you need an AW or not, and it's also based on your community size. So the 530 530 units in state statute said yes, it's required. >> What was the rank there? >> Uh for when you need one, I think it's 350. So far exceeded the the state statute requirement. So the document that you're reviewing tonight and looking at is not meant to approve or deny a project. So it's not you moving through any land use approve approvals that the city would typically see. So this does not grant preliminary plot approval or final plat approval or give a blessing of land use by any means. So it's not in current city limits and those applications aren't contemplated by the council tonight. an EAW I think sells itself really short because it's it says it's a 20 question document that answers questions about the natural and built environment but if you scroll through the packet you will see that it's a large document a lot of work and study and time and expertise goes into these so um I think saying it's a 20 question document can make it seem lair where it's a pretty substantial environmental review that happens so different categories that are reviewed are land use climate adaption cover types, required permits, contamination, wildlife, historic properties, visual air, greenhouse gases, noise, and transportation. So, obviously transportation is something that internally we think about a lot. So, how will these city streets connect into our system? How does it compare to our comprehensive plan? How can we ensure that people can move effectively both uh moving to this development, but also residents that are here? So, making sure that we don't create uh issues when we continue to move west with projects to make sure that our streets can handle the amount of development that we're seeing uh west of current city limits. So, the purpose of an EAW or the purpose of an environmental assessment worksheet is to determine if an environmental impact statement is required. So again, I think the EAW language sells itself a little bit short, that that's the only thing that you're asked to contemplate is that if an EIS is required based on the amount of information that you receive in an EAW. So if an EAW discovers there's a significant impact on one or more topics, then it triggers the need for an EIS, which is a much more intense and involved environmental process that allows us to study that one or those several categories that require additional information. So it could be that uh the EAW went out in an agency flag something. So they found a historic burial ground that would likely trigger an EIS where we would say we need to slow this process down. We need to continue studying this to understand what our impact is but also the impact of the project moving forward. An EA is typically designed for agency review. So it's not um something that a resident would probably pick up and enjoy just based on the technicality of the document. It's designed for other agencies to review so they get the information that they need to be able to apply their rules and what they know about a project to that specific EAW. Again, an EAW does not contemplate land use approvals. So, the city process will continue should this move forward with preliminary plat res and final flat annexation is another one that should be added in there. And then our city review also contemplates many facets of the EAW. So the information that we get from the traffic study in an EAW, we apply to preliminary plat. So we make sure that the intersections will be successful and that stop signs are located where they need to be. So an EAW helps supplement our review too. It fills in some of the gaps that we sometimes can have. If a project is smaller, we might wonder what traffic will do. Or when we have an EAW, we know what the traffic study says. We know how traffic should operate. Obviously the human factor can't be measured but we can say what typically should happen um once an EAW is completed. So work completed today specifically on the EAW is that the development team prepared a draft and submitted it to staff. At that point we go through the EAW. We provide comments. So we provide information that we know just internally things that we're working on or things that we've thought about. We send their comments back. The development team revises the EAW. At that point, the EAW is circulated to required agencies for a 30-day review. So, you send it out to all the agencies that are on the screen right now, and they have 30 days to look through the entire EAW or sections that are applicable to them, and we request that they provide comments back to us. So, then we take in the comments, and that's where we're at tonight. So, six comment letters were received on the Enclaves, EAW. They were received from the Minnesota Department of Transportation, the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency, Minnesota State Historic Preservation Office, Carver County Public Works, the Met Council, and the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. Some of the comments that I want to highlight or think about. Uh, many of the comments throughout the process are reminders. So, it says, uh, when you get to planning and permitting, make sure you apply for this permit with our agency. That will be required. So you'll see that many of the comments back are so noted. We'll continue with that application um when it comes. So it's just um several of them are just reminders, but essentially a way to say like we looked at the EAW, we're anticipating a permit when you start to move through the process. So a good check and balance to make sure that we are getting all permits that are required, doing reviews that are required. A comment that was significant to staff mind and the development team was sound especially related to the town home development adjacent to 212. So we've talked a lot about that just internally with the development team understanding that uh it's the same location as the preserve and meridian fields with uh distance at 212 and we have required some different things for different projects. So uh we can talk about enhanced construction materials. So having windows that are um I don't want to say denser but muff sound more than a typical window would. So it's construction materials can be a mitig mitigant for it. Uh birming, landscaping, sound walls, etc. So those are all things that we're thinking about. I don't know if we have the exact answer right now from the development team or city staff. Uh we have talked a little bit about what it looks like if that area, a portion of it is not as developable as we once thought. So it's guided right now for high density. That's why those town homes were there and that's why they are pretty close to 212 because that density called for it. So, we've talked a little bit internally with the development team. Uh, is there any appetite for a comp plan amendment? Could we reguide that property to be lower density to have less units specifically on that site? We don't know the answer to that yet. So, it's to be continued just as we work through the process understanding Dr. Horton's needs, what products they offer in Minnesota right now, uh, what the market is calling for. If there's a huge market for town homes and we want to move forward with some mitigation, we'll talk through that in the stage of platting. So, more information to come, but I would say that was one that stuck out to staff, the development team, and I think some of you when we first uh went up for distribution for the EAW. So, I wanted to highlight that one. A second uh comment lender was the Met Council. So, if you saw red flashing lights at a comp plan amendment is required. We knew that to be true. So, uh in Carver specifically, there's a lot of property in a program with a county called agricultural preserve. So it impacts the way that the property is taxed. But on our comp plan future land use map, it's shown as agriculture which is I think a little bit misleading because we have an additional future land use map that shows uses city uses. So uh we need to do a comp plan amendment for those properties no matter what to reg to low density residential. So, it's an extra step in the process, one that we know about. Um, one that is a little bit frustrating just knowing that the property isn't going to be egg. We're not going to annex property into the city. It's in our growth area for an egg use. So, we shared that feedback with the M council, but it continues to be as it is. So, it'll require a comp plan amendment to go from egg to anything else, no matter what. And then they had some questions about water, which I think Erin provided some additional information, including information from our long-term financial plan. No. Yes. Okay. Um, showing that we have some planned water upgrades to our system that will allow for this development to be successful. So, not based on what we have right now, but some of the future plans that we have to increase our water availability. And then various groups commented on things like protection for bluffs and big wood trees on the property. So, our bluff ordinance will be part of this. Our tree preservation will also be part of our review. So, something on our radar. Uh where we're at with Dr. Horton with that concept plan, like you mentioned, it's uh just our best guess right now of what things will look like. But through the platting process, we make sure that the plans also are consistent with our tree preservation bluff ordinance. Um we would require if there's some bluff we think on the property that to be on each survey with the bluff tiered setbacks as well. So calling that out really clearly to future residents as well as um working on our bluff preservation to make sure that it's applied to all lots on the project. So uh after the environmental assessment worksheet the work continues. So the information that was provided in the EAW tonight. So you'll see some comments from Mary Cla who worked on the EAW just giving some feedback back to the or to the commenters. Some of them are so noted. Thank you. Some of them have substantial information like the water section to the Met Council. Erin has inserted several graphs and tables into that. So, we will recirculate the document again to those groups so they can see the comments that they made and then our responses back. So, they'll see that information back and forth. And then the document is also it's published with the environmental quality board. So, it goes through a couple more uh publishing dates before it's completely finished with the EAW. And then future applications for the project might include annexation comp plan amendment for the land use um preliminary plat reszoning final plat. I want to back up this one. So the Met Council also called for a text amendment to our comprehensive plan. So we've been working really closely with the Met Council on our population projections and we've been exceeding them for the past couple years. So, our current comp plan, uh, we would need to do a text amendment for these projects to happen because our population is set to exceed what we have in our 2040 plan. So, we will do likely a few comprehensive plan amendments. So, I just want to give you a teaser that I'll move you through the process. We'll go through the full reviews, but there likely will be a text amendment as part of this project for a population increase as well for projected population numbers within my council. Okay, I said I pass that then. Okay. So, the request before the council is to tonight is to determine if an environmental impact statement is required. So, that's what the state has in the packet. It's a findings of fact fact and record of decision for the EAW if an EIS is required. I'm going to ask that maybe we start the conversation and you can pull up who you would like. But we have Deb and Mike with Dear Horton, Mary Cla put together the EAW and then Dr. Horton's engineer is here too. So, lots of folks that can help you through questions or comments and Who's first? Oh my god. Um, thank you Aaron for highlighting the work that's being done on the sound issues. That was has been continuous my biggest concern. So I'm glad to see that we're working through that. Um, yeah, that was my just coming back to my main comment every time is concerned about that sound. So um for the sound, how is that needed? So like we require them to put in a higher end knowing that the cost will likely go to the homeowner but then at least we plan ahead for sometimes I think too not just the current res future residents. >> Yes. So we kind of require that the sound is through the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency. So it's uh technic technically pollution that way but yes we required enhanced building materials both in the preserve and meridian fields with how close they are to 212. So yes we've historically done an Edwin plan too should the numbers continue to be what they are right now. >> That was my only question just unfamiliar with that process. >> Okay. So I'm sorry to be a dummy. >> This is >> this is a finding a fact right for uh EAW. But the question here is uh for an environmental impact statement. Uh do we decide that or doesn't the EAW determine that? >> Uh it's a little bit of both. So if the EAW came back and one of these was a glaring issue, I'd say my presentation would be a lot different. I think the staff recommendation would be to move to an EIS. The CAW came back relatively clean I would say. So there wasn't significant environmental impact beyond some of the comments that were received like the noise which we are going to continue to work through. Um water was a big one but Erin has shared some additional information. So I would say at this point the level of followup on the CAW is um just providing additional information for folks. It's not an agency saying hang. >> I didn't hear you say anything that would trigger one. >> So, it's it's staff recommendation tonight to move forward uh with a negative finding that an EIS is required. >> All right. Well, that answered my question. I don't have any. >> Uh Erin, I have another question about the sound mitigation. So, is there any possibility that the MPCA is going to require us to have any kind of actual screening like wall like you would see more towards the metro um off of 212? Is that possible? >> It could. Yes. The topography of where the towns is located, it's much higher than 212. So, it's a little bit tricky that um a fence might not offer a ton of visual screening. So, a sound wall is typical for um you want to think that it's for sound, but it's typical visual. So, it's removing your visual of the highway, which then kind of tricks your senses into hearing the sound. So, it's a little bit on the site with it being higher, but yes, that could be a requirement if we move forward with the town homes in that location as a mitigation strategy. >> Okay. So, if they do that, then the developer is required to put that in. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then that in turn that cost is just going to roll over into the homes. Right. >> Correct. >> Okay. Is there is there I know they've come with a few different plans here and setups, but when they were doing this, isn't I mean they kind of figured this was going to come back. Is there any way that they didn't leave some green space behind there and pull those town homes in farther? >> Yeah. So, it's a little bit of a chicken and egg situation where our comp plan calls for high density. So, they were trying to hit unit count there in the concept plan. So, I'd say uh if they came in without a plan at preliminary plat, I would feel differently about it. But just that concept plan um they were following the land use guidance. The EAW then brought to light the sound requirement. So, I would say it wasn't out of any type of negligence or strategy. They were just trying to hit the density requirement for that property and our comp plan. And then the EAW provided additional information with sound. So it's a few things working at the same time, but I would say um between now and the next time you see an application, should that be preliminary flat, we'll have additional information about what the mitigation strategy is, if it's additional green space, if it's pulling the town homes back, if it's a comp plan amendment to go low density in that area, if it's all of the above with uh the enhanced windows landscaping. So, a myriad of things that we are thinking about, but I would say not surprising based on the concept plan, the comp plan, and then the information from the EAW. >> Okay. And then I missed something that you said earlier when we were looking at the sheet that had um the Met Council on it and it had MIDOT on it and you said something about less. I'm sorry. Can we do you have that up? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So there's something about I wrote down less density, less population. I but I don't did you say something pertaining to that when it comes to Met Council. >> Um so the the two projects that we're working on, the two residential projects are the Enclave and Summerfield. We have shared that information with the Met Council and based on those numbers and the construction time, we likely will exceed some of our projections in our comp plan. So, they've requested um as we move through the planning process, if both projects receive preliminary plan approval for the number of units that they're slated right now, that we move forward with a a text amendment. So, it would be the replacement of some population projections in our plan with higher numbers knowing that these two projects are happening in tandem bringing several thousand residents in the next couple of years. >> Okay. So, does this technically mean then that we could have less density in this development that's coming in and meet what we need to? >> Um, it could we would have to do a comp plan amendment. So, it's three parcels right now. Two are guided low density, one is guided high density. So, should the council and deer Horton want to move forward with a comp plan amendment, we could move forward that all three are low density. I'd have to run some numbers to see what that does to our overall density communitywide. Um, but I would say we typically have fallen okay in that realm, especially with the two high density projects we just worked on, Carver Place and Carver Oaks. So, we could, but I'd want to run those numbers and get a full application before the city council before I guarantee that yes, low density can work across this entire site. >> Okay. And part of the reason I'm asking is there's a number of culde-sacs that are in this very, you know, this concept plan. And so we've kind of we've learned a little bit from Lorraine Court that if we don't leave enough parking that we end up troubles in the neighborhood because we don't have enough. I know that will come back later, but that's why I'm look was thinking about what you said with that lower density. Does that in some of those culde-sac areas then space out those lawns a little bit so that we don't have so many parking issues on some of those areas? It wouldn't be it wouldn't be in any of the single family areas. So any of the areas with the culde-sac, it would be the northwest corner where the >> town homes are shown. So if you see directly adjacent 12 on the far west, >> it just up there. >> Yeah. So it's private streets in that area. Um what we've typically seen is some additional parking spaces that are add like communal parking spaces. So like Timber Creek has several king bays, but it would be that area specifically where the density would likely decrease. >> Okay. Okay, that's all my questions. Thank you. >> Okay. Um I don't know that I have anything extra. I have the same concerns about noise and curiosity as to what happens. Christie, I it was like we shared notes um before the meeting because you asked the exact same questions that I was going to ask. Um, I am struggling to get this packet page to load on my iPad. So, if anyone is reading my body language and sees frustration and be ready to arc my iPad, it's not a reflection on this project. It is technologically related. Um, so I don't know that I have any other questions. It seems pretty clear and it doesn't look like we need to do any additional study on that. I would entertain a motion. >> All right. I make a motion to adopt resolution 132-25 adopting the findings of fact conclusion and record of decision for the enclave at Harbor Creek environmental assessment worksheets. >> I'll second >> I'm just No, I mean like they brought a whole team and we didn't ask any questions >> which is great. That means >> you can delay this. >> We can ask questions. >> Um, okay. We've got a motion and a second. Can I get a follow, please? >> Council member Conrad, >> I. >> Council member Persman, >> I. >> Council member Ser. >> I. >> Council member Pasco. >> I, >> Mayor Johnson, >> I. Motion passes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks for coming by. Sorry. Any questions? >> Um, moving on. We're going to talk about the future 1140 improvements in the joint powers. >> Good evening, Mayor Council. Um reporting tonight of a joint powers agreement between the city of Carver and Harbor County for a corridor study on Cassan 11 and Badaw 40. um from 4th Street down to 154th Street in the township which is generally adjacent to the future future proposed uh summergate or summerfield development in the southwest growth area of the city. So, um, as part of that development, it's proposed to ultimately plan out about a thousand acres of land in the area, which brings anywhere from four to seven or 8 thousand potential residential units. So, that's a very large amount of traffic that's going to be going on to the to the local systems and county systems in this area in the future. So, um, it goes without saying that some Can I >> ask a question? You said 48,000 units or people >> units. So times 2.74 is people. >> Are you sure? >> You sure that? >> Yeah. >> In the master plan. >> So I think are you saying not just for Summerfield but for that? >> Yeah. for the master plan, the whole area out to to County Road 43, which is what this what this study looks to to do is inform on when this area is built out, what does the transportation network have to do to support that that build out of that whole region of the city. >> Okay, you can share it. >> There is on page 21 of the packet. >> Yeah, 21. It's I might have that page number off, but I believe 21 and 21. That's a shocking number. [Music] >> How many units do we have? you looking at our comprehensive plans, Erin? Could you like describe more or less what I know we're talking about generally what area, but you know, are we talking everything south of Carver Creek between 11 and 43? Like what what's the area we're looking at here? >> Yeah. So basically for the comprehensive plan, our westerly growth limit in 2040 plan is road 43. >> Okay. >> So this this literally looks at everything that would go all the way out to 43. >> Okay. >> So >> it's the whole Okay. So it's everything that has to >> from a transportation planning standpoint. It's it would be shortsighted and not think about the ultimate build. You're wanting transportation that way. So that's what this study seeks to do is inform okay how how much traffic is going to be on 11 in the future at what point does there have to be reliever that gets out to 43 to take on you know take that traffic um and so forth. So that's the general goal is to figure out what is what is the configuration of county road 11 going to look like going to the north of the fourth street. What are those intersection configurations going to be? What's the access spacing? Um what what is this ultimate intersection that would serve as the centerfield development going to look like at at 11 and 40? You know, it was contemplated how we thought this would be a roundabout, but we're going to look at, okay, if it is a roundabout, is it a single lane roundabout, is it multi-lane roundabout, what does this really need to be to support the the traffic demands of this area. So, that that's in essence what we're trying to do. Um, the county supports this effort. They're willing to lead lead the study from a contract perspective. They'll they'll do all the the interim cash flow of the study with the city of Carver being responsible for payment of their half by next October. So until that time, the county's got a cash flow study and after we have time to do future bonding issuances with all these sorts of improvement projects that are going to be happening, um that's when we'll have the cash available to then repay the um which is why we we have an October 2026 date um for repayment. So, but from from an actual work perspective, the city is the lead. They're gonna the city's going to providing the staff leadership team to really drive these issues forward and make sure that this project stays on on task and is getting done in a manner that that is suitable for the needs of the future city. So that's that's in essence what we're looking to do. Um the county is um is willing to bring this to the board at their at their upcoming board meeting here in October. So if the council wants to move forward with that, this would then go to the county board and they would contemplate this um with their county board. Um let me kind of drill down into the funding as well. Um, so on the consent agenda tonight, there was a pre-development cost reimbursement agreement with with Summergate. And one of the items that was in that agreement was um the payment of what I'll call their their half of this study. So what is what was in that agreement is of the city's half, which is $76,000, the city would pay for it for half with the with the summer development team paying for their half. So, it's about $38,000 split ultimately between the city and and the developer for that project. So that's um again in essence what we're trying to do is is really take based on all the all the information that we're getting from this future bill is determining what is the transportation network be like to support it and that's the primary goal of the study. >> Okay questions. Yeah. Courtney, could I start with a question? >> You can. >> Um, okay. So, when we're just so I can get my bearings here on this. So, when we're looking at the section for the study, we're going from Fourth Street across from the gravel pit, right? Uh, and then all the way down past the what will be the future development. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. So then, but when I'm looking for our section, I guess our section that is city in the city of Carver, because this is the county road 11, um we have already established roads that aren't going to be changing from Fourth Street to Main Street to um bl uh the one that comes out of the bluffs there. And then the next real change that we're going to see because the the westerly side of 11 from Fourth Street down to kind of our border right now is Gravel Pit and you know Mount Carmel, we have homes up there already. The next intersection that we're going to have any type of change to is technically in the county right now. So I'm just curious how why we're paying for part of the study. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think the numbers are terrible when we start to look at the quarter of the cost, but at the same point, why are we on the hook for a county road project that's happening for the county right now on and it's not the city? It's not we're not establishing something that's in our city limits right now. Correct. So the typical cost participation policy for corer studies such as this in developing communities is that the cost is split 50/50 between the county and the city. Once you get to an actual project, that would follow the standard county cost participation policy for the construction project in which that would be based on the amount of land that was actually in the city versus in the in the township. So that's a different split that would be considered if a project were to move forward. But as far as the study goes, the 5050 split is a very standard way of approaching this from a from a funding standpoint. >> Okay. So, when we talk standard, is this is this something that's written into an agreement? Because I know the the second one you said I've we've worked with that before, but is this an an agreement or is this kind of the h like a handshake deal, I guess, where we we're going to take this, you're going to take that? Every study that I've heard of in the last five plus years has happened with this typical arrangement. So, >> okay. >> I don't know if it's written anywhere or not, but that's that's how it it's done. >> Okay. And then you said this will be able to determine um whether we're going to need a single or a double lane roundabout down there. I mean, if we have we have another gravel pit that's coming that from that direction. Oh, I see Brent's hand. Hi, Brent. Um, you want to say something, Brent? Go ahead. >> I just want to clear something up. There's 2500 units in Somerfield. That's not This corridor study isn't intended just for Somefield. >> Okay. So the county wants to study the whole area as it was built out because under the theory, let's not build something for today that we know is going to change tomorrow. So if you look at this study area that Brenda's putting up on the map, it's concretely heads that go well beyond I would I would offer it goes well beyond anybody's lifetime frankly. But in order to get, let me get that back up. It goes well beyond anyone's lifetime, but in order to get a comprehensive view of what's needed and of what's needed and how to assess um needs, the county wants to do that. And that's why that's where the 5050 comes in, frankly. I mean, you you have the council has the full right to uh negotiate and say, "No, we're not going to pay 50/50." But I an opinion only I would offer that I don't think that would be fair. I mean they're paid 50% of this project essentially is in the city or will be in the eventually all will be in the city. I think it when you start getting granular as to like what roads are in the township today, you know, I think there's some built-in inequities that you could truly find. But like on on the whole, I think we're in really good shape. The county has been a great partner with us on this, but I think we all saw or at least those have been have been around for a while that Jonathan Carver Parkway north of Fourth Street was a challenge until it was redone. And so what you're doing is you're you're paying for an engineering firm to do some forecasting, traffic modeling that to develop what what will continue to be a you know the main vertebrae, if you will, of the city of Carver and how that uh will at one point maybe become too full and how do what's the strategy for using County Road 43 as a reliever to get from as folks traverse from 169. Maybe that main corridor for them isn't using County Road 11 and JCP. Maybe they continue straight and go through County Road 43. So, uh don't think of this as just for Somefield that uh 8,000 units for the city of Carver in the next few years. There there will not be 8,000 units added to the city of Carver in my grandchildren's lifetime. So, I don't have any yet. So, I just want to kind of like level off expectations for what the need for the study is and how it might impact residents for today is that we're simply studying a corridor method or a corridor that we know is going to have increased traffic, but the spectrum of like view and how we're planning for it goes out further like we want any good plan. >> All right. Well, thank you for talking. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Um I appreciate that um additional explanation. Same as Mayor Johnson, I was having some problems opening um this document, so I couldn't flip back and forth very easily. So that is all I have for now. Thank you. >> Um >> All right. Um, I'm having like a hard time seeing a need for this for that money. Um, so it's $187 before it's divided out. So on the very bottom, >> $187,000, >> it's $152,000. >> Unless you have the optional things, too. The county is going to pay for any optional stuff. That was for for their use. >> 150,000. um they float the bill for a while and then we eventually pay 25% of it. >> Ultimately, we'll be paying 25%. >> The JPA just says it's split 5050, but with the other reimbursement agreement with summer that states that they'll pay for half of our half essentially. So, they're going to pay for a quarter of the study. We're gonna pay for quarters. And the deliverable is um estimates and like forecast on 20 the year 2050 travel. No, the what you the the end product is going to be a cost split uh an estimated cost split to bring uh to improve Jonathan Carver Parkway to that intersection of 40 and 11. And so that will be kind of the foundation of um building out that whole summer field development. So it's um if this if council doesn't move forward with this the whole project is summed fundamentally. So you in order to understand what you need to do to improve the intersection and then our companion piece is bringing the utilities you you have to do this. you might uh negotiate on the cost although I don't think there's a lot of runway there but the in order for the engineering firm to design the road they need to study it in some detail. So think of this as a feasibility study and because it's it's not that different than any other feasibility that we've done costwise. It just happens to be a county road. Um, but we have, if you remember Jonathan Carver Parkway, we had a cost share split on Jonathan Carver Parkway. we >> I remember are really disappointing because they're so there's such lag time and there's just or like the um the uh the crash analysis like I don't know why you can't just use what's here right now because >> the road the existing >> or like no or the data points but like why you need this I mean I realize there's modeling software and that you you know or just do the 11 and out on the JCP go to their >> so they have to study this area new forecasting based on future homes so that data is not available I get I get it like >> yeah just the other thing is our 2040 projections were already over forecasting or they you know we're on track to so it's just really hard to plan 25 years out >> yeah so think of that as If this is like parts of a pie, >> the part of like I would say out of the eight pieces in this pie, seven of those pieces are directed towards the summer gate or number not summergate summer field development. 1/8 is like looking at like all the background noise and all the background traffic, not noise traffic that'll enter this. There's this is what it costs. There's not a way to like save money. I would an editorial opinion I would offer. You don't want to make a what probably am want to be what a $10 million like project and like use data that like you found on an existing resource. You want like the best data to get the best value. Um so I'll leave it at that, but that's just my analysis from someone who's been involved with this process. Um, so yeah, so my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that this is in order to do the Summerfield project in order for that to get off the ground, we the we plus the county is going to have to reconstruct the intersection at 11 and 40 into that property in some way or move it or whatever and this is the this will be the basis to designing that project which is necessary that have >> correct typically the county will pay so they'll pay for every leg that they own of this so there's north and south Jonathan Carver Parkway and then Pony Road 40 so they have three legs of this intersection and then the uh city street going into the Somefield development will be it's the city share but it's we pass that through to the developer. >> Yeah. >> And so in order for them so think of when we do a street project in the city in order to tell the residents like what they might owe on the project we uh the council uh tells the city engineer to do a feasibility study. So they look at you know how many you know linear feet the project is and the type of curve and the depth of laptop. And so they'll create a a cost split based on the county's cashier policy that'll say that uh of this the median work the county is going to owe 500,000 and the city share is 100,000 which we pass on to summer gate. Uh and so they'll run through that whole project. Um but the only way that that occurs is by doing it. So it um again like a because I think we maybe got off on the wrong foot like the the study is studying like the physicalness and geometry of this and it's influenced by like the data but that data will have like it hasn't been studied and so uh might there be some like traffic crash stuff but really that is I would say immaterial because the intersection will fundamentally be new. there'll either be a roundabout or a signal and so they'll have to test that out based on the level of traffic uh that they have at that intersection. So it's it's none of this information is on the shelf available. They'll have to generate it and frankly it's the rules of the game when it comes to like improving a county. they'll require it and if we say no then we don't have a project and that you know again that's the council's prerogative but the only way this will get approved uh by the county board is if the the city agrees to move forward with this feasibility study if you will >> thank you um so I kind of think of this as Jonathan Carper Parkway project phase two phase one was Le Hyperin Road to Fourth Street. Did we have a developer, anyone else that we shared costs with for that? >> No, we paid the whole Well, we did the we paid for the study and we paid for the improvements. >> So, I think I agree with you that I don't love the thought of spending money on studies, but that's where I end agreeing with you. I think $38,000 is a lot of money any way that you look at it. I think we are lucky in this instance to have a developer to share those costs with us. And I think that this is something that while I don't love the idea of spending money on a study, the folks who are going to love the idea of it are the folks who are living here at five and 10 years down the road. the folks who don't feel terrified making a lefthand turn out of their neighborhoods because there's a roundabout there or it's a signaled intersection or whatever that looks like. But I think that this study is going to give us a better idea of what that looks like with volume cars, which I think all of our jaws collectively dropped when we put that number that's going to be in here once there is a full uh build out of the area when Brent's grandchildren are grown and are moving into that area. Um, let's see. I just had some questions on the timeline, which I know is listed in here, and I just wanted to find it real quick, but can you kind of help me with kind of the lattering of the other projects? This project or this study final report, April 2026. Next summer is when we're planning on doing the utility extension for the potential future summergate and then shovels in the ground for summergate in potentially 2027. >> Yeah. >> So the utilities can't happen until the roadway is done because we want them to be the same project. >> So generally you're correct but >> correct. Sorry. Well, generally with the schedule, you're like correct, but like there is like there's a lot of stuff here and it's not just our project, it's the county, a lot of moving parts. So, um I would say generally you're correct, but we don't want to commit to like any like specific scheduling. I would say if we could have shovels in the ground by spring of 27, that'd be great. But what I'm hearing say is that feels a little >> I don't want to I don't want to speculate to that degree. I >> like when when you're working on a project like this large like one step at a time and now our step is like let's get this study started. Let's get it done and let's see where we're at. But um I tend to like push back like as a good engineer want to get that schedule done. But like the schedule like when we're done then we can like schedule the next step but sometime like sometimes we inadvertently rush a process to meet this arbitrary deadline of having it done by July of 26. I just want to make sure that it's done that uh residents uh in the area of both township and cityian had a chance to like weigh in and it's kind of like fully cooked before we go to the next step. >> Yeah. And I Good point, really good point. Um I I'm just trying to figure out what scheduling in my mind. I'm not necessarily trying to push this through any quicker um than it should be. I believe in same thing what you said giving it time making sure that we have adequate resident feedback and all those things. So um I also think and Brent you didn't come out very straightforward in saying it but I think while we could try to negotiate with the board I think if any of you have watched or attended a county board meeting recently especially the ones where they're talking about their budget this is not the time that we would get any traction on that argument. Um, and I think that when we're looking at our our split could have been $76,000, but because we've got Summergate that's going to benefit from this and we'll split the costs, I think that $38,000 while like still a lot of money is a really good deal from the city of Barber because we have that cautionary partner in South. Um, with that I would make a motion to enter into a joint powers agreement with Carver County for the CASA 11 N 40 corridor study. >> I'll second by Mayor Johnson, second by council member. Any further discussion? Right. Roll call, please. >> Council member Conrad. >> Hi. >> Council member Pment. >> Hi. Council member Ser. >> Hi. >> Council member Pasco. >> I. >> Mayor Johnson. >> I. >> Motion passes. All right. Thank you. Um Okay. Um this is when we're going to circle back to an agenda item to skip over from a work session which would be the city managers report. While we're doing this, >> you guys are doing awesome. The technical equipments tonight have been nice and I appreciate especially you Brenda and all the slide that you know [Music] to a different spot. >> So, uh, good evening, mayor and council. Just a couple items. The Andrew Simmons and Brenda Good have been working hard on logistics for the public services facilities tour. Uh so that's planned for Monday, October 13th at 7 a.m. We're meeting at Carver Station. Uh Southwest Transit is generously going to be helping us with transportation needs on that day. So um we have some facilities with city of Ramsey, Friley, Orino, and Victoria to finish up the day. Uh but a good opportunity to connect with staff. So public services staff, uh city hall staff, uh our uh architectural team, uh construction management folks, and Bolton Mink will also be joining us. A lot of those folks might be driving by car. based on some other other commitments that day, but our city team will be uh on the bus. Uh box lunch will be provided. Um any questions for myself, Brenda or Andrew visit? >> This is only marketing related, but didn't say that one of the new styles of Taco Bell did. >> Can we drive past them? Well, I just >> I have a question about uh that. So, if I'm correct, do we have a fireboard meeting at 4:00 on that same October 13th? >> We do. >> Okay. And so, that's going to give everybody enough time to get back from Victoria or >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay, just checking. >> Uh, any other questions related to that? >> Uh, new fire chief. Happy to share. I know we've done it publicly, but just wanted to do it in the council settings. Very, I think, fortunate to have Tim Walsh as city's new fire chief. Uh, I I know all of you know him, but Tim's got a lot of great experience. He's of great character. He's got a lot of emergency management experience. When I first started on Carver, he was actually working for the county as the assistant emergency management director. So, I think we're really fortunate to to have uh Tim on board in this new role. Um also want to talk to some talk about something kind of arms length related to it. And I am a big believer and I think our team is here too about uh we're okay to talk about hard things especially talking about hard things in a public setting. And so um although it's not specific to uh Chief Walsh um it does impact him and kind of the related I'm coming up with all these funds that are connected with it. But there are uh there because of kind of the nature of the fire service there in some cases can be familiar relationships or closely related family members. And some communities have chosen to kind of turn away from that and have kind of a pretty I would say conservative policy kind of prohibiting any type of supervisory role for a closely related family member. Um, I've asked for assistance from the city attorney's office along with uh Chief Walsh to develop a policy that navigates that so we uh can have folks like Chief Walsh and other folks within the department that have family members in the department, but also has a a a great level of security and confidence whether in issues whether they're real or perceived related to conflicts of interest or uh influencing the employment of somebody that happens to be a brother, daughter, son, father, mother, etc. on the department. And so eventually once we can narrow down on a policy that'll have to be brought uh to the city council. Uh but you don't have to look too far in other communities where you see kind of I would say examples of where it wasn't proper properly identified or maybe not brought into the light and they're trying to kind of manage issues related to that whether they're real or perceived. And so I think we're better situated by just saying yes, we know this, but we're uh leaning into it and we're going to develop a solid policy that um protects our integrity and the integrity of the department um without limiting opportunities for those that are are providing that service. So I just wanted to share that. Uh also a commercial for the fire department slash city openhouse that's tomorrow, October 7th. Um there was an application for certificate of appropriateness that was recently denied by the HPC. Uh the applicant reached out to say that their uh previous application was an air. Uh that they noted that their window, excuse me, their their contractor put in the application that the window was wood and they were applying to have it replaced with vinyl. when the according to the property own the window is actually currently vinyl so they've resubmitted an application that'll be at the next HPC meeting on October 13th and then uh a project uh that I've shared with the council uh um and with Aaron Schmidt the city engineers help uh along with our team working on a project to I would say redirect uh surface water in the Levi grid Commerce Drive area. Um, currently it kind of runs through kind of you can say see the discolored area in the mat. Uh, it runs across a 6-in drain tile. Um, and we are advocating for a more reliable and traditional uh surface water or storm sewer management uh piece. So the conceptual idea and Eron and his team will be developing this and bringing it to the city council would be to install traditional uh concrete sewer pipe uh down the future uh commerce drive we have right away and an easement in there and then bringing that to uh the mindot right away and then kind of running it through the systems. Erin Schmidt and I met with representatives from Mindot last Thursday, I think last Wednesday or Thursday, and kind of brought this idea up. And this is related uh kind of in some ways to uh the property owner just east of Fleet Farm, uh Mr. Mark Lano. Uh he's come to I think previous meetings and city council meetings uh just expressing some some concern. uh welcome and working to be with uh the county water management organization uh specifically Paul Molen. Uh so he's been a part of the conversations too and we have a meeting scheduled with the WO later this week. So um there's a couple of ways that we can proceed with that project. So, we're still kind of working through that, but just wanted to get you get this on your radar and get kind of an open setting at a meeting. Let you know that in the next several months, you might be seeing another iteration of this as we start to plan for this in greater. And I think Erin Smith has one to add. >> I do. So, I'll send a calendar invite tomorrow, but on Tuesday, October 21st, we have uh Deb Barber with the Met Council and McKenzie Young Walters coming out to Barber. So, we're doing a joint meeting with the planning commission and city council. They just released system statements for the 2050 comprehensive plan. So, we did a little kickoff at a previous work session on our parks plan, but this will be kind of a formal uh kickoff with our new system statement. ask questions. The Met Council will go over some changes that are required in the upcoming plans and just getting us thinking about the next version and asking questions directly to the source. So, October 21st, I'll send out a calendar invite and provide some information as we get it from the council. >> Probably you guys in your email. So, um, she's been her responsibilities for district 4 and the entire council, which sounds like a really big job. >> I have two more things. Uh, one, um, Andrew and Paul Schultz are coordinating. We're going to be doing some parking lot, not parking lot, parking spot striping hopefully later this week. Uh we got a connection from council member Conrad related to a resident that was is in that line of work and they want to do like a commercial video. So they're uh going to be donating their services. We're going to get a resolution. I think Andrew is working on that. Um so exciting news related to that that work needed to be done. And then we're working on the continuing to work on the certified levy project. And one of the things I want to get on your radar that we're Dave and I have been talking about along the clear and Schmidt is during the construction we're going to be impacting uh for some people that live along the levy primarily probably along Broadway. And so we're probably going to be coming back to you with a ordinance that would provide uh staff the ability to um what's the right word I'm looking for? Um relax uh overnight parking standards on Broadway. We have that 2 am to 6:00 a.m. And so we need to provide those folks with some parking. We're going to explore what other opportunities there are. uh we'll loop in Andrew and and Paul with that and maybe it's not Broadway, but we we just want to get you thinking about like entertaining the idea of do of doing that so that we can be good partners and neighbors and folks that uh may be impacted by the levy construction um and have limited parking facilities already. So, I just wanted to get that on your radar. I miss anything with that, Dave? No. Okay, >> I'm done. Okay. >> Okay. Um, great. Then, um, we've got Let's do council requests and communications for one. Chris, you want to go first? >> Sure. I think the only thing I want to make sure is Brent, I think when you said the HPC meeting, you might have said the 13th. It is Tuesday the 14th, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I don't have anything else. Thank you. >> Nothing here. >> No updates tonight. >> Uh, a second here. Um, I updates again tonight. On uh September 17th, we had the Senate Capital Bonding Committee come visit Carver. Um, there were four senators. Senator Karen House, Senator Sandy Pepus, Senator Jordan Rasmmanson, um, and Senator Johnson Stewart. Um, and it was a felt like a lightning round visit. They were only here for about 15 minutes. We met at Church by the River and then we took a quick walk up to the levy. Um, but it was good. We got um one question about so our ask is for 3.35 million from the state in bonding funds and we got one question from Senator Papis because we have received $6 million um from the state previously in the 2023 bonding bill which is the last bonding bill that the state of Minnesota came through with. Um her question was we generally don't fund more than half of these projects. So, um I think that was the only like moment of the evening. Otherwise, um it was very wellreceived. Folks loved Carver. I think they understand the needed impact that this project has in terms of preventing our community um from flooding. And like for as much of a borderline nightmare the flood was last year, it provided some really good experience to speak to and to kind of say like these were the issues. We had residents calling asking about pets that already broke and those kinds of things to further tell our story and to really drive it home for these folks who maybe have never been to Carver ever. So, um, let's see. Then, um, from September 17th to the 19th was the League of Minnesota Cities Board Retreat in Walker. We had, um, representatives from the Colorado League of Cities there, and we kind of talked about what they did and some tips for what our work could incorporate into our work. Um, let's see. On uh, September 24th, the school district did a coffee with the cabinet in Koki. they have been doing coffees with cabinets uh each of the four communities in the district and that was our turn. It was good to see Dr. Rafki out here and kind of talking with folks about everything that's going on including the the upcoming levy referendum. Um on the 25th I participated in the whole HAP discussion group which takes place at the lodge at the uh Chesca Community Center. It's led by Carver's own um Jim Widland and I presented um to the folks mostly senior citizens um just kind of an update about what's going on in our community and letting folks know. I don't know if it was the fact that I would went into Chaska to make this presentation, but I was assuming it was going to be a Chazer resident head um group and it was probably I bet that there were about 18 folks there and I think 16 of them were residents. So, um really good group, lots of great questions, really engaged group. On the 26th, we had the community um leaders meeting. Um there were also Biztown interviews at Cover Elementary. I've done this before and I've told you guys that this is one of my favorite things. It is fifth graders who are literally interviewing with you for jobs for when they go on the Biztown field trip, which is a junior achievement place. and they sit in these roles during the day and they're either mayor or they're a DJ or they're a CFO and like or they work at the cafeteria. There are all these roles that they are interviewing for and it's really cool to see the kids who like make eye contact with you like halfway across the way and like shake your hand and then there's some kids that you kind of have to draw the questions out of them a little bit more gently too. Um, I was able to interview Kadan, who if you guys remember a handful of years ago, that was the uh little guy who's not so little anymore. Um, who emailed me or sent me a really sweet handwritten letter about the discrepancies between the population signs off of um, County Road 40 and the one that's in Chesca as you're kind of turning in. Um, so really sweet to see like his evolution as a scholar. Um, and then that same day was the Carver Fire Relief Golf Tournament that I volunteered at, which is always a good time. Weather couldn't have been any nicer. Um, got to see lots of support from both city staff, so it's great to see you guys out there. On October 1st was the Great River Greening Volunteer Event. Um, I'm sure that they thought that when they scheduled this for October 1st, it was going to be like this like chilly crisp fall day and it was like 90 degrees that day, but um I don't know the final number, but I would bet that they planted hundreds of shrubs and plugs and tree saplings along um Carver Creek, right? >> Yep. >> Um in Creek Side Park. So, really great to see those folks. TC Bear with Ethler again and he's very sweet and animated and um like literally was planting plants. So um let's see that same day we had the Minnesota Mayor's Association meetup at the Arboritum. So I am well now the outgoing president of MMA. Um so kind of hosted in Carver County where we started with a private tram tour of the arburitum which every time I go there I ask myself why don't go there more often. So club for the arburitum. Um and then we had dinner at Winchester by um the dinner representation um in Victoria for the evening. We heard um from an individual Katie Pratt from the state board of mediation kind of talking about mediating and kind of um handling tense situations. So really good presentation. Um and I think that's it. Just a couple um looking ahead. Tomorrow's the last day of the farmers market. So, please go get all your veggies and then um we'll see everybody at the fire department open house. Um I think that's it. I feel like that's it. So then I'm going to entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Oh, can I interrogate really quick? Sorry, I do have one more thing. Um I'm sorry. Um so I wanted to share this with you. This is um I learned through my counterpart in Maple Plane that communities in um Henipin County have the opportunity, actually communities across the state, it turns out, have the opportunity to put a one sheet in with the preliminary tax statements that go out in November. So that instead of just seeing a number, there's more of a narrative of where the money is going to, what can be done. Um, I have shared this so you can do it, but you need the county's permission. I think the way it works, the way I understand it from my friend in Maple Lane is that um, they pay for the printing of these and then the county mails them out. I emailed Commissioner Fee over the weekend to tell him that I think that this would be a great opportunity to kind of tell our story and to engage with residents and to make them a little bit more aware that again just seeing two columns of members. Um, and I think he's working on it on his end. But I wanted to share this with you guys. um maybe in the category of council requests but not of a request for the city of Carver because I think um we need the county to say yes to this. Um it's my anticipation that the answer is going to be like there's no way we can make this work for fiscal year 2026, but maybe we can do it for 2027. I think um you know if you guys are keeping track of how many times I mentioned the loss of the Chesa Herald, it's in the dozens. And I think this is another way that we can kind of shine a light on what we do, transparency, where your property tax money goes um and to try to mitigate that loss of the the Herald because there always used to be an article about the communities and what the tax levy was going to be for the following year and I don't know that we're getting that again. um in the immediate future. So um this is the example from Maple Plane that kind of shows this um and just a heads up on something. Does anybody hate that idea? I don't want to go off, but like >> Christy, I'll email you this or I'll have Brent email it to you. Um but just wanted to share that with you guys. So okay, we have a motion to Okay. And a second. Um motion by council member Pasco, second by council member Ser. Uh can we get a roll call vote, please? >> Sure. Council member Conrad >> I. >> Council member Pman >> I. >> Council member Ser >> I. >> Council member Pasco >> I. >> Mayor Johnson >> I. Motion passes and we are adjourned. >> Good. Thanks.