>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. LET'S GET ROLL CALL PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. KICK IT OFF WITH 94. YES, MA'AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN A YOUNG LADY BEHIND US TODAY AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE ANIYA FEROS AND SHE IS A RISING SENIOR AT TAMPA PREP AND SHE SHADOWED TODAY AND SHE WILL BE LEAVING AFTER THIS AND I WANTED TO GIVE HER A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER. >> HI, GUYS. MY NAME IS ANIYA. AND A RISING SENIOR AT TAMPA PREP. I AM INTERESTED IN DOING LAW IN THE FUTURE, AND I HOPE TO DO ECONOMIC COLLEGE. I REALLY ENJOYED BEING ABLE TO SHADOW ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET TODAY. AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR HELPING ME TO SHADOW TODAY AND THANK ALL OF YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU AND PEST OF LUCK IN YOUR SENIOR YEAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS. PTHANK YOU VER HERE. MISS FEELEY, ITEM NUMBER 94. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 94. WE STARTED THE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN RELATION TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE, AND REQUEST BY STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND PULL OUT SECTION 21-178 WHICH IS THE YBOR CITY PARKING REGULATIONS. TO RECAP VERY QUICKLY. IT WENT ON FIRST READING JUNE 27. TWO MOTIONS MADE BY COUNCIL. ONE WAS IN RELATION TO PUTTING THE LANDSCAPING BACK IN. AND THEN, ALSO, TO -- TO MEET WITH THE HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION WHICH WE DID. MYSELF, ERIC COTTON, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WHO IS HERE WITH US TODAY, KEITH O'CONNOR WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE MEM MEMBERS. SPENT SOME TIME TOGETHER GOING THROUGH SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THE LANGUAGE. AND AFTER THAT, I, MYSELF, WENT BACK THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND FOUND SOME AMBIGUITIES. ONE IN THE COMPLIANCE SECTION AT THE BEGINNING. WE NEED TWO COMPLIANCE SESSIONS. ONE AT THE BEGINNING AND I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS. I THINK THERE IS SOME CONVERSATION OUT IN THE PUBLIC THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY. SO, WE STARTED THE YBOR ENFORCEMENT. WE PUT LOTS UNDER CITATION. THOSE LOTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND GET THE APPROPRIATE CEREBRAL PALSY IF THEY HAD NOT. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL LOTS THAT HAVE; HOWEVER, THERE IS A SECOND PART TO GETTING A C.A. AND THIS IS MAKING THE IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE THE CODE. JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT APPROVAL TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO FINISH THEM. JULY 31, WE HAVE 19 CASES GOING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE YBOR PARKING LOTS. A MIXTURE OF CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING MET OR THE LOT ATTENDANT OR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN CITED FOR DURING THIS PROCESS. SO, IF THEY ARE GOING THERE AND THEY SAY, OH, I HAVE MY C.A. NOW, GREAT. YOU NEED TO GO OUT, MAKE THE IMPROVEMENT AND THE LOT NEEDS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE A.A. AS IT IS GRANTED. ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE ARE GOING TO CLEAR THE CODE CASE. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO CLEAR A CODE CASE JUST BASED ON YOU RECEIVING A C.A. BECAUSE IT MAY STAY THERE FOREVER WITHOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS GETTING RAID AND THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THIS IS COMPLIANCE. SO IF YOU HAVE A LOT. YOU HAVE GOTTEN YOUR C.A. YOU MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS AND YOU HAVE BEEN OPERATING, YOU ARE NOW LEGAL AND IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CODE. AND THE NEW PARAMETERS ARE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THAT. YOU ARE OPERATING UNDER YOUR PERMIT, AND THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE THAT WAY. NEW LOTS AFTER THIS IS PASSED WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES LOTS BEING A SPECIAL USE 2. AND COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. I WANTED TO MAKE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THE OTHER SECTION OF COMPLIANCE IS THAT FOR PAID LOTS THAT OPERATE FROM 10 P.M. TO 4 A.M. THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WILL NOW BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A -- A OPERATIONS AND SAFETY PLAN. SO -- AND THOSE WILL START IN JANUARY OF THIS COMING YEAR. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A SECOND COMPLIANCE STATEMENT RELATED TO THAT SECTION AND HOP THAT APPLIES TO THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THIS VERSION OF THE CODE. SO THOSE TWO CHANGES WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING AND CLEANING UP. THERE IS ALSO A COUPLE OF OTHERS. THE LANDSCAPING. I WANTED TO GO OVER THAT REAL QUICK. I DID BRING -- I HAVE SOME COPIES SO THAT COUNCIL COUNTY LOOK DIRECTLY AT THIS WHILE I AM GOING OVER IT. SO I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MOTION WAS TO PUT BACK IN WHAT WAS TAKEN OUT AND RESTORE THE CODE TO ITS CURRENT STANDARDS AND DURING THE DISCUS DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE NO. CERTAIN THINGS REQUIRED. AND I AM LIKE, WELL, THERE ARE THREE SETS OF STANDARDS IN THE CITY'S CODE RIGHT NOW. THE YBOR STANDARDS AND THE -- FOR -- THOSE GO BY LOT SIZE AND THE CDB STANDARDS AND CITY WIDE STANDARDS. WHICH ONE WAS IT. WITHOUT KNOWING IT, I COULDN'T CORRECTLY MODIFY THE CODE FOR ADOPTION TODAY. AND I DO NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHICH ONES OF THESE WAS THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL SO I MAY CHANGE THAT FOR THE AUGUST 8 HEAR HEARING. >> FOR ME A PER RIFF TER WITH PLA PLANTS. THE INTERNAL ISLANDS, I -- I THINK MAYBE FOR A -- FOR A LOT THAT IS LARGER THAN 7500 SQUARE F FEET. BUT BY AND LARGE, REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS A PERIMETER OF PLANTS AND NOT LOOKING AT A FULL-ON ASPHALT CORNER TO CORNER. DOES THAT WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I HEAR NO OBJECTIONS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ANOTHER TOPIC IS WHEEL STOP VERSUS STRIPING. WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND FOR ALL OF THE CITY, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EITHER HAVE WHEEL STOPS OR A MOBILITY APPROVED ALTERNATIVE. AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP THAT AND NOT MAKE IT ALL WHEEL STOPS AND ALLOW IT TO BE AN EQUITABLE STANDARD THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND AT THE DISCRETION OF MOBILITY FOR THE ALTERNATIVES. AND THEN BUFFERS WAS THE LAST ITEM THAT NEEDED CLARIFICATION. RIGHT NOW, THE NEW VERSION OF THE CODE SPEAKS TO BUFFERS ALONG ALLEYS AND SOME USE ALLEYS FOR MANEUVERING. STATE VISIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT LANGUAGE IS CLEAR AS WELL. ONE MORE THING IN RELATION TO SIGNAGE. WITH THE CODE, A SIGN AT EACH ENTRANCE. RECOMMENDED ONE SIGN AT EACH ENTRANCE AND WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT LAND CLEAN THAT UP AS WELL THAT BEING SAID, AUGUST 8th WITH CHANGES IN THE EVENING HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READ GOING ANY LAST CHANGES I DID NOT WANT TO COME WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT THERE WAS FOUND TO BE INTERNAL CONSISTENCIES. ADOPT THAT AND TRY TO FIX THINGS OF US FINISHING OUT AND COMING BACK BEFORE YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS A GIGANTIC LIFT BY YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT AND TPD. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR -- FOR THIS CONTINUANCE TO SIMPLY NEXT MOONTD NOT MOVING INTO THE NEXT CYCLE. THE COMMUNITY IS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO GET THIS DONE JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU -- WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THESE. I THINK THE LAST QUESTION WE HEARD WAS ABOUT FENCING. THREE TO FOUR FOOT IS WHAT CURRENTLY REARED. I THINK THAT IS FINE FOR YBOR. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE ALLEY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO IF YOU -- LET'S SAY YOUR PROPERTY FACES 17th BEHIND YOU IS RESY AND AN ALLEY IN BETWEEN. YOU CAN FENCE FROM THE ALLEY A THREE-FOOT OPAQUE AND FOUR-FOOT TRANSPARENT. NOT A THREE TO FOUR FOOT. I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN HOW THAT FUNCTIONS IN REALITY WITH CARS COMING DOWN THE ALLEY. WORKING WITH DENNIS FERNANDEZ ON THAT TO ENSURE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I THINK THAT IS GREAT I AM HAPPY ONCE WE HAVE A MEETING -- BECAUSE WE ARE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IF AFTERWARDS BEHAVIOR COMES OUT OF THAT IF WE ARE MOVING ON, IF YOU CAN PASS IT TO ALL COUNCILMEMBERS AND GET FEEDBACK IF FEEDBACK IS NECESSARY. >> YES, AND I BELIEVE BY COMING BACK ON THE 8th, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THIS LOADED INTO SIRE HERE SHORTLY -- ON BASE, SORRY. I AM SHOWING MY AGE -- HERE SHORTLY SO THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT FIRST READING ON THE 8th. SECOND READING ON SEPTEMBER 5, AND THAT WILL BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE. JUST A FEW WEEKS BEHIND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK DONE ON THIS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU ARE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OFF-TOPIC, SIG SIGNAGE. I KNOW YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS OF EXCESS SIGNAGE OR INAPPROPRIATE SIGNAGE IN THE PARKING LOTS. ANYTHING THAT IS REINING THAT IN OR SPECIFICALLY TO YBOR? >>ABBYE FEELEY: I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. WE DID HAVE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION WITH THAT. LIKE I MENTIONED KEITH O'CONNOR WAS PRESENT AT THE HEARING A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT SUPERVISOR WITH YBOR FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. A CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTER. THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR RIGHT NOW. NO SIGNS ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ONLY ONE SIGN PER LOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DON'T NEED TO CLEAN UP THAT BUT JUST ENFORCE WHAT WE HAVE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I HEAR FROM NEIGHBORS THEY DON'T WANT SURFACE LOTS AT ALL IN YBOR. THERE ARE SLOTS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN BUT THEY ESPECIALLY DON'T WANT ANY NEW LOTS. AND LANDSCAPING ON ALL THIS STUFF IS -- IS BETTER THAN NOT HAVING IT, BUT -- BUT IF THERE IS ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT -- ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT IF THERE WAS ANY WAY EVEN WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO OF 7th TO PRESENT ANY NEW LOTS AND PUSH THEM FARTHER OUT. AND THEY THINK IT IS URBAN BLIGHT. THEY THINK. SAID ALL THIS PUBLICLY. THEY THINK IT IS. IT IS PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO DO BAD THINGS LATE AT NIGHT AND I WISH THERE WAS SOME WAY TO ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE WHICH IS NOT JUST ABOUT LANDSCAPING, SECURITY OR WHA WHATEVER. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DEFINITELY HEARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S MESSAGES LOUD AND CLEAR. WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THE CODE CHANGE, I WENT TO PROHIBIT LOTS AND THIS DID NOT GO OVER WELL WITH MULTIPLE PARTIES. THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF NONCONFORMITIES. DISCUSSIONS OF TAKES. WE HAVE NOW CHANGE IT FROM BEING ALLOWED, PERMITTED, TO BEING A SPECIAL USE WHICH COMES BEFORE YOU. SO ANY NEW LOTS AFTER THIS PASSES WILL NEED TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. >>BILL CARLSON: BUT IF THERE IS ANY -- SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE THE LONG CONVERSATION YOU WITH ABOUT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T DO A TAKING AND IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ENTITLEMENT, WE CAN'T TAKE TAKE IT AWAY. IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME TO US FOR A SPECIAL USE, ESPECIALLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OF 7th AVENUE, I THINK WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR THERE SHOULD BE A VERY HIGH STANDARD. NOT THE SAME -- SHOULD NOT BE THE SAME PROCESSES AS ASKING FOR A PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE ELSE. ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF LINE. BUT I THINK UNDER LYING, THEY REALLY -- REALLY DON'T WANT NEW ONES. >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION OR ONE MORE QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I ASKED LEGAL ABOUT THIS MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ. YOU AND I TALKED DURING LUNCH AND MAKE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CLEAR ON THIS. I THINK THAT MISS FEELEY DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS. AND MAKE SURE THAT LEGAL TALKS ABOUT THIS. RIGHT NOW WHEN THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY -- I THINK SHE SAID 19 ARE GOING TO THE MAGISTRATE THIS MONTH. AS FOLKS CURE THEIR PARKING LOTS, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE CODE IN -- IN THE REQUIREMENT CORRECT? >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, YES, WE HAVE LANDSCAPING GUIDELINES IN THE CODE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CURRENT LANDSCAPING GUIDELINES WILL HOLD FOR -- FOR THOSE ARE CURED RIGHT NOW? >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROPOSED REMOVING THOSE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS BUT AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION REMAIN AT THE CURRENT CODE AND AFTER ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERSTANDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEVE MICHELINI. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF 717 PARKING. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT WHEN COUNCIL MADE A MOTION TO ONLY TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES AND THE OPERATORS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THAT, THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE COMING BACK AND HAD MEETINGS, ETC. BUT ASKING BUSINESSES TO UNDER GO AN EXPANSE AND ALSO TO NOT HAVE AN INPUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE RECENT REVISIONS WITH THE CODE. THAT SEND RIGHT. IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY AGAINST THE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING FOR THOSE PROPERTIES SOME OF YOU ASKED FORU DOES NOT COMPLY TO SEPTED STANDARDS. AND IT HAS YET TO BE ADDRESSED. YOU SINGLE OUT A OPERATOR VERSUS THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, AGAIN, IT FLIES IN THE FACE WHAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL PARTIES IF NOT JUST ONE SIDE OF ONE PROPERTY. REGARD SIGNS. IF YOU HAVE TOWING SIGNS ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO REMOVE VEHICLES, THAT IS A STATE STATUTE THAT GOVERNS THAT INCLUDING THE SIZE, LOCATION AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THEY HAVE TO BE CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM ALL ENTRIES AND EXITS. I WOULD URGE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU ARE MAKING MOTION THAT YOU INCLUDE THE OTHER EFFECTIVE PARTIES AND NOT JUST ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES MA'AM? >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS FEELEY, CAN I ASK YOU JUST A QUICK FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE REASON I ASKED TO YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BECAUSE YOU MET WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BUT NOT YET MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S CORRECT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: DURING THIS PROCESS, ONE OF THE LAST PRESENTATIONS I SHOWED YOU, WE HAD PROBABLY 12 TO 15 DIFFERENT MEETINGS ON THIS SUBJECT OVER THE TIME PERIOD. WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO TRY TO BE EQUITABLE IN THOSE MEETINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. NEXT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> ALEX DRAIN ARDOVICH CORSICA STREET IN TAMPA. I WORK WITH THE HOUSING COULD HE LIKES. I AM NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION TODAY WHICH INFORM INFORMS MY IDEA OF HOUSING POLICY. WE WORK STATEWIDE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING IN GENERAL. I'M HERE TO STATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE CODE REFORMS AND EXPANSION OF ADU ALLOWANCES. SPECIFICALLY WITH ZONING REFORM. WE KNOW THAT IT WORKS AND WE KNOW IT IS ESSENTIAL AS A TOOL TO GET MORE HOUSING SUPPLY AND MORE DIVERSITY FOR THE HOUSING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED HERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ST. PETE REGULATIONS FOR ADUS AND HAVE DONE BE A SEVERE OF REFORMS. GETTING ONE, TWO UNITS A YEAR AND THEY GOT 84 PERMITTED UNITS AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HIT TRIPLE DIGITS SINCE 2022 NOW. ZONING REFORM WORKS. IT IS ESSENTIAL. AND I WANT TO END ON A PERSONAL NOTE. PART OF A MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSE HOLD HERE IN TAMPA WITH THE HOUSE I GREW UP IN. ADU WHILE I DON'T GET A ADU ALLOWANCE AND I WON'T WITH THIS PARTICULAR REFORM, I AM ENCOURAGED WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE WITH WHAT IS ON THE TABLE TODAY WITH THE HOPES OF STAYING IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY, PRANCE RELOCATE TO BUILD A ADU TO FULLY FACILITATE MY MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSE HOLD WITH MY LOVELY MOTHER AS THAT SITUATION EVOLVED. THE FACT THAT IT CAN BE RENTED TO FINANCE AND CONSTRUCT ONE OF THESE UNITS. TAB BE A SUPPORT THAT ZONING REFORM. I URGE TO YOU SUPPORT IT AND I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER FURTHER REFORMS DOWN THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE THESE ADUs GET BUILT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, NEXT SPEAKER. >> HELLO, AGAIN, TATYANA MORALES. I WANT TO TALK OF LEGALIZING MORE HOUSING OPTIONS. WITH THE ADU GOING FORWARD. THE NEIGHBORS SAID WE WANT IT. THE MARGINAL ADU AMOUNTS WHAT WE ARE GETTING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. A LOT OF ILLEGAL ADUs. I MOVED FROM NORTH TAMPA TO HYDE PARK. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T TECHNICALLY SUPPORT IT ALREADY I AM NOT ONE THAT IS REPRESENTED IN MY ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS MORE HOUSING. I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB, YOU DON'T HEAR EVERYONE'S VOICES BECAUSE A CITY OF OVER 400,000 PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A THE TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND SAY WE NEED MORE OPTIONS AND GET REPRESENTED. AS WE PASS THE ADU REFORMS. WE TRY TO SEE WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS THAT NEIGHBORS ARE FROM STOPPING THEM AND TAKING AN ILLEGAL ADU. A GLANCE AT A STATE THAT HAS DONE JOB. CALIFORNIA HAS MADE A DENT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS REFORMS TO GO IN THE FUTURE AND SAY, I AM NOT SAYING THAT SOUTH TAMPA NEEDS ADU, BUT A BIG CITY ABOVE KENNEDY THAT NEEDS MORE HOUSING OPTIONS AND ADUs ARE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF IT. LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS AND CHALLENGE YOURSELF. THERE ARE DATA AND ZONING RESTORMS TO MAKE STEPS MEANINGFUL FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A MOTION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? A MOTION TO CLOSE YES, MA'AM. >>ABBYE FEELEY: BEFORE WE DO, DANA HAS THE ORDINANCE REMOVING THE 178, ONCE YOU ARE DONE WITH THAT, IF YOU CAN SET 178 BACK FOR AUGUST 8 FOR 5:01 P.M. IF WE CAN BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA THAT WILL BE FABULOUS. YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX REZONINGS THAT NIGHT AND GET IN, OUT AND BACK TO YOUR REGULAR BUSINESSES. WE APPRECIATE THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN -- IF WE CAN HAVE BEFORE YOU CLOSE, A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTE AS PRESENTED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO MOVED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS CROSBY-COLLIER. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: NO. I HAVE THE TITLE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE TITLE. TITLE IS AMENDED BUT STILL LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE TO GO FORWARD ON THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: DANA CROSBY COLLIER, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE ARE REMOVING SOMETHING FROM THE ORDINANCE SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE TITLE AS AMENDED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE SUBSTITUTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION FOR SUBSTITUTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ALREADY ACCEPTED IT MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE LEFT OFF WITH -- YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT NOW READING THE SUBSTITUTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE ONE PASSED OUT. I LEFT WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE SUBSTITUTE, SIR. FOR ITEM 94. >>BILL CARLSON: THE SUMMARY OF IT AT THE TOP? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO ADOPT ON SECOND READING. >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO ADOPT ON SECOND READING FOR FILE NUMBER E 2024-8 CH 24. SUBSTITUTE MOTION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATED TO PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, AMENDING CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT. AMENDING SECTION 27-100, COMPLIANCE WITH CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AMENDING 27-117, COMPLIANCE WITH CEREBRAL PALSY. AND AMENDING SECTION 27-132. REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES AND AMENDING 27-156, OFFICIAL SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT REGULATIONS. AMENDING 27-159, PERMITTED PROJECTIONS INTO REQUIRED YARDS AND AMENDING SECTION 27-177, HISTORIC DISTRICT ESTABLISHED. REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT THEREOF. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW A MOTION TO SET THIS ON THE AUGUST 8, 5:01 P.M., FIRST ITEM AGAIN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. WE WILL SEE YOU AUGUST 8. NOW LET'S VACATE -- OR NOT VACATE SOME RIGHT-OF-WAYS. ITEM NUMBER 111. WE NEED TO REOPEN THIS TO RECITE THE WHOLE T. >> RON WIGGINTON. THAT WAS HEARD ON JUNE 20 TO READ THE TITLE AND REVOTE -- AND TO SCHEDULE THE SECOND READING, PLEASE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE LAST VOTE? >>LYNN HURTAK: ORDINANCE . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD AND READ IT AGAIN. THE RESULT OF THE VOTES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. 111 IS REOPENED. ALL WE NEED IS SOMEBODY -- ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE HEARING IS OPEN FOR 111. WE NEED TO READ THE ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A NEED TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND READ THE TITLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE IT. MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, READ 111, ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING. >> ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION ORDINANCE VACATING CLOSING, DISCONTINUING A PORTION OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF 4th AVENUE AND EAST OF NUCCIO PARKWAY WEST OF THE MERGER BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 4th AVENUE WITH THE PLAT OF LESLIE'S SUBDIVISION IN THE SYSTEM, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA. OF COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS SET FORTH PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION -- PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>CLERK: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD AUGUST 22, 2024 AT 10 A.M. A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD, FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO TO ITEM 112. >> ROSS SAMENS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. FILE NUMBER VAC 24-07 GET THE CLERK TO SHARE THE ELMO SCREEN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC 24-07. APPLICANT IS TAMPA TOURIST CLUB LCC. ADAM MARDEN. PROPERTY ADDRESS IS EAST GRANT SEAT TOP VACATE SOUTH OF VAN DYKE PLACE. EAST OF NEBRASKA AND SOUTH OF VAN DYKE PLACE AND RIVER COVE STREET. THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY ON MARCH 14, 2024. THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THIS APPLICATION IS TRAFFIC SAFETY. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT. EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 10616 SQUARE FEET. AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING IN YELLOW ON GRANT STREET, NEBRASKA, VAN DYKE. AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY IS IN RED. HERE IS THE SUBDIVISION WHERE GRANT STREET AND GRANT AVENUE WAS CREATED. RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING DEPARTMENT ATLAS SHEET SHOWING GRANT AVENUE CURRENTLY. IMAGE OF GRANT AVENUE LOOKING NORTHWEST ON VAN DYKE PLATE. IMAGE OF GRAND AVENUE LOOKING SOUTHEAST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE. STAFF DOES OBJECT TO THIS VACATING REQUEST. AND WATER SUPPLY BY SPECTRUM AND TECO. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FROM THE WATER DEPARTMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, NEXT. >> CHAD BAILEY, CHIEF ENGINEERING, WATER DEPARTMENT. THE WATER DEPARTMENT HISTORICALLY HAS ISSUED WITH WATER MAINS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, ACCESS, MEAT NANCE AND SAFETY OF ALL OF OUR FIELD CREWS. CITY CODE OF ALL WATER MAINS TO BE LOCATED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. 2600-A. GOOD EXAMPLES OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARISE USING WESTSHORE MALL. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE WATER MAINS ALL OVER WESTSHORE MALL. THIS IS INSTALLED DECADES AGO, BUT YOU CAN SEE UP HERE IN THE RED CIRCLE UNDERNEATH THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WESTSHORE MALL, A MAIN THAT RUNS STRAIGHT UNDERNEATH. RIGHT HERE. THIS GIVES ISSUES FOR ACCESS, CONSTRUCTION, SAFETY OF OUR CREW CREWS ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WE LOSE THE ABILITY FOR REGULATION ACCESS. THE STATE STATUTE FOR SAFETY AND OUR STANDARDS AS WELL. YOU CAN SKI DRAWN RIGHT HERE THE WATER MAIN LINES WITHIN PRIOR PROPERTIES. WHAT HAPPENED IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY ONCE THESE -- THE MAINS ARE ON THERE. WE DON'T SEE IT COME ACROSS OUR DESK. PARCEL OWNERS HAVE RIGHTS TO UTILIZE THEIR PARCEL LAND UTILITIES AND CABLE ALONG THE ROAD -- ALONG OUR MAINS. YOU SEE WE HAD A MAIN BREAK AND UNAWARE OF PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE SEPARATIONS AND UNKNOWN WHAT THE UTILITIES ARE. IF THIS HAPPENED TO BE GAS OR ELECTRICAL, THE SAFETY OF OUR CREWS REPAIRING THE MAIN BREAK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY GETS ELEVATED. WITH THIS NOW BACK UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE NO LONGER HAVE THE CITY STANDARD AND INCREASED COST WITH MATERIALS RESTORING IT BACK WITH WESTSHORE MALL. IONS. - SPECIALIZED CONCRETE. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE DYE CORRECT TO REPAVE THE CONCRETE AT WESTSHORE MALL SO WITH THAT , THIS WATER DEPARTMENT DID OBJECT TO THE VACATING THAT THE CITY'S INTEREST AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S INTEREST IN THE LAND WAS RELEASED. SO WE REQUIRE THAT THE MAIN BE ABANDONEDED IN PLACE AND THE OWNERSHIP TRANSFERRED TO THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE ADDRESSED THESE CONCERNS IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO WHERE EITHER THE CITY STAFF CAN ABANDON IT AT THE COST OF THE APPLICANT, OR THE APPLICANT CAN HIRE THE CONSTRUCTION THEMSELVES AND ABANDON IT. WE PUT A 12-MONTH TIME FRAME TO GET IT DONE. IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO IT THEMSELVES, BUT WE CAN DO IT FOR VERY LOW COST WITH OUR IN-HOUSE CITY STAFF TO PUT AS LITTLE BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT. AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? YES? >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE OF THESE COME BEFORE US -- AT LEAS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE GOING -- THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO HAVE TO REROUTE THE WATER LINE? >> NO, IN THIS CASE -- I WILL BRING IT UP. LOCATION OF OUR WATER MAIN AND DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION WHETHER OR NOT THIS WATER MAIN IS NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. HERE WE GO. NORTH RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE BLUE IS PUBLIC WATER MAIN. ALL THE OTHER SURROUNDING PARCELS THAT WILL BE VACATED. IF THEY HAVE A WATER MAIN. NEBRASKA, DOWN 9th STREET OR VAN DYKE. WE ARE NOT LOSING WATER SERVICE FOR ANY POTENTIAL PARCEL IN CASE OWNERSHIP CHANGES DOWN THE LINE. NOT ROBBING FUTURE LANDOWNERS SERVICE. WE HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THE VACATING AS LONG AS WE DON'T OWN ANY OF THE STRUCTURES IN THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE ASKING FOR THE APPLICANT TO CAP THOSE LINES. >> YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST WANTED TO BE SURE, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEAVE THAT PICTURE UP. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN -- IF YOU ABANDON THAT SECTION WITHIN THE YELLOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LINE THAT COMES DOWN VAN DYKE AND TURNS ON RIVER SEWED. >> ALL THE WATER MAINS ARE LOOPED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAP THAT ONE IN THE YELLOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHERE YOUR PINKY IS. >> THE PINKY RIGHT HERE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOWN TO THE RIVER. >> WHAT WORKS IN THE GROUND WILL GO DOWN TO THIS THE CIRCLE WHICH IS A VALVE AND CAP IT HERE. YES, A SHORT STUB OUT CLENDENIN LOOP IT BACK TO THE OTHER LINE. >> WE WON'T NEED TO. BECAUSE BASICALLY FROM RIGHT HERE OFF WILL BE A STUB-OUT LINE. WOULDN'T NEED TO BE LOOPED ANY ANYWHERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE CITY'S PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT UP. >> THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, GUYS, ADAM HARDEN FOR THE APPLICANT, THE TAMPA TOURIST CLUB LCC, WHICH IS IN, IN THIS CASE, IS REALLY ME. I HAVE A HOME IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING SOMETHING HAPPEN HERE. THE STRUCTURE BEFORE IT GOT BURNED DOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT HAPPENED AND PARTIALLY WHAT HE SAID FIRST GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION. IT WAS A H TAMPA DANCE CLUB AT LEAST MY MEMORY AS HARBOR CLUB. AND FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND HANG OUT. THE LOWEST CENSUS TRACT IN THE CITY IF NOT THE LOWEST. AND PROGRESS. I FELT LIKE THIS PROPERTY COULD BE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE COULD PEOPLE CAN COALESCE. ARMATURE. AND THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HAS PLANNED SEGMENTS TO CONNECT THE PROGRAM FROM ROWLETT TO THE NEBRASKA BRIDGE JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY AND ADDITIONALLY HAVE IN HAND TO CONNECT THAT SAME TRAIL FROM THE ZOO TO THE TOWER. AND SO THERE WAS A PIECE IN THE MIDDLE WHICH THE CITY OWNS ALMOST ALL THE PROPERTY FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS BOWL TO THE TOWER. AND YOU KNOW, MY GOAL HERE IS TO TRY TO GET THAT DONE. WHATEVER INFLUENCE WE HAVE I WENT THROUGH THE GENERAL PUBLIC ANALYSIS. THIS WASN'T QUASI JUDICIAL AND CONSIDERING. WE OWN EVERY PARCEL ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET AT THIS POINT. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE HAVE DONE ONCE WE ACQUIRED WHAT I CALL A SIGNED PARCEL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CLEANED UP THE SIGN. LANDSCAPED IT. CLEANED UP THE SIGN. AND I REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT AND WORKING ON WHAT WE THINK IS THE FIRST KIND OF ACTIVATION WHICH WILL BE AN OUTDOOR COMMUNITY EVENT, A JAZZ FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 5. AND WILL BE, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT KIDS ON THE RIVER, WHICH IS A CHARITY THAT IS BASED IN SULPHUR SPRINGS. SO THAT'S IT. I ALMOST SO SMALL I CAN'T READ. LET'S SEE HERE. SO GREEN AVENUE CURRENTLY IS A 30-FOOT PLATTED STREET. WE ARE ASKING TO HAVE IT VACATED. THE FRONTAGE ON GRANT BEFORE YOU GET TO THOR. >> SECTION -- ON NEBRASKA BEFORE YOU GET TO GRANT IS APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET. THE CURRENT GREEN BOOK STANDARDS WILL WATCH THAT SITE DISTANCE TO BE 305 FEET. WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT ABOUT WORKING ON A QUICK LITTLE PROJECT HERE. RYAN DANGER WHO OWNS THE SPRINGS THEATRE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO COME. I TRIED TO CALL EVERYBODY OFF BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET HEARING THIS MORNING. BUT I TOLD HIM I FELT THAT THE LETTERS WOULD SUFFICE, BUT HE IS HERE. AND OUR THOUGHTS ARE THAT SIMILAR TO WHERE PALM AVENUE MEETS FRANKLIN STREET, A TRAFFIC CALMING PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PROJECT. SO AS PART OF THAT, WE AGREED WITH THE CITY TO GRANT EASEMENTS OVER A PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY WE -- >> THAT IS UPSIDE DOWN. >> THE YELLOW PORTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TURN IT AROUND. IT IS UPSIDE DOWN. >> HERE WE GO, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. SO WITH -- WITH THIS BEING NORTH. WE HAVE THE ACCUSE ANGLES IN FRONT OF THE THEATRE. CURRENTLY A WEIRD THREE-WAY INTERSECTION BETWEEN VAN DYKE AND SITKA AND NEBRASKA COALESCE. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BRIDGE, 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY OF GRANT AND NEBRASKA. AND CARS THAT DECIDE TO HANG A LEFT ON THE BRIDGE AND YOU KNOW, VEHICLES COMING OVER THE BRIDGE AT 45 MILES PER HOUR, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE. THE CITY HAD REQUESTED AND THIS IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY. WE AGREED TO GRANT EASEMENTS OVER THE -- OVER THE -- THE APEX AND OVER -- AND SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE SO THE BRIDGE CAN BE MAINTAINED. SO ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THE PROPERTY THAT WERE BEING USED AS A SEMI STRUCK KIND OF REST STOP WHEN YOU CAN DRIVE 10 TO 12 HOURS A DAY AND THEY FOUND OUT THEY CAN CUT THROUGH SULPHUR SPRINGS BECAUSE OF THE BIG ROADS AND PARK HERE. WE PUT UP SIGNS AND TRIED TO ENFORCE THAT. ADDITIONALLY, SIGNIFICANT DUMPING PROBLEM. A FEW OF THE PICTURES $10,000 IN HAULING STUFF OFF, ABANDONED VANS, BOATS, TRAILERS, IN ADDITION TO THE KIND OF STANDARD FURNITURE. SO WE ARE HOPING IN CONJUNCTION WORKING WITH MOBILITY AT THE END OF GRANT PUT UP BOLLARDS AND SECURE THE PROPERTY. WE COMMUNION THE CAPED WITH THE SULPHUR SPRINGS ACTION LEAGUE AND RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT WE FORWARDED TO YOU EYES. ADDITIONALLY SPOKE WITH T.H.A.N. AND DIDN'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL MEETING AND A LET FROM CARRIE ANNE BENNETT AND STEP STEPHANIE POYNOR SUPPORTING THIS. AND A LETTER IN THE RECORD FROM THE OWNER OF THE HISTORIC THEATRE THAT I SAID IS HERE TODAY SO I THINK IT IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT THE STAFF REPORT WAS ROBUST. WITH REGARD TO THE WATER ISSUE. I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, IT EVENTUALLY GETS CAPPED AND LINE THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND BECOME A LINE THAT SERVES THE PROPERTY. SO I THINK LOOKING AT IT HISTORICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT I LEARNED AT SOME POINT PART OF THE CITY WATER WORKS SYSTEM THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET THE -- I GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE -- AND PUBLIC EASEMENT, WATER MAIN EASEMENT, AND THE TERMINOLOGY IS A WATER MAIN LIKE A 1929 BLACK LAW'S DEFINITION. AND I OWN A LARGE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT MORE THAN 1,000 ACRES IN PASCO AS THE MAIN TAMPA BAY WATER EASEMENT HOW THAT THE MIDDLE OF IT. THEY CALL IT A WATER MAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT TO SIT UP HERE AND SHOW PICTURES OF A PARKING GARAGE THAT SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY -- I MEAN, THAT HAD TO BE A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE THERE. NOT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AT ALL, RIGHT. SO THE ORDINANCE HAS PROPOSED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO IMPROVEMENTS OR CONSTRUCTION WITNESS THE ENTIRETY OF THE 30 FEET UNTIL THE APPLICANT, MYSELF ALREADY RELOCATES, CAPS OFF THE WATERWAY. AND WATER MAIN UNDER PERMITS WITH THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, TO COME HERE AND FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GETTING AMBUSHED WITH THIS NONSENSE THAT SOMEBODY -- IT IS JUST SILLY. AND, AGAIN, THE -- YOU KNOW, I ALSO ANNEXED -- YOU KNOW AS PART OF THE TEAM THAT ANNEXED HERITAGE ISLE IN THE CITY. PLENTY OF PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE WATER MAINS ARE IN EASEMENTS, WHICH ARE CALLED "WATER MAIN RIGHTS-OF-WAY.." THE SAME TERM NOT PUBLIC STREET BUT IN THE SAME AREA RESTRICTED FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO THE CONFLATING OF THESE TERMS IS JUST SILLINESS. WHAT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT THE CITY. CHAD'S CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE UNFETTERED ACCESS TO THE LINES UNTIL THEY ARE DISCONNECTED ARE REALIZED. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT -- WHAT HASBURN PUT FORTH HERE IS THAT. SO I THINK THAT -- FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD MENTION TWO MORE THINGS. WE OBTAINED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WHEN IT WAS SIREKED WITH THE CLERK AND WE HAD IT A FEW DAYS AND WORKED WITH SPECTRUM AND TECO AND HALF THEIR EASEMENT CONDITIONS MODIFY THOSE TWO E-MAILS WERE SENT FORMALLY TO RON. SO IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ASSUMING THAT YOU GIVE THE AFFIRMATIVE APPROVAL TODAY, THERE WILL BE SOME MINOR CHANGES, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DID THE LIFTING AND MADE THOSE CALLS. AND PIVOTED ON OUR REPUTATION FOR GETTING THINGS ON IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET AGREEMENTS FROM BOTH OF THOSE AGENCIES. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HI, ADAM. GOOD TO SEE YOU. PEOPLE LISTENING OR REVIEW THIS, 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR PLANNING ARE IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY TO GIVE AWAY 10,000. >> RESPECTFULLY, NOT CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. THE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY IS HELD BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. AND I THINK STANDARD FOR CONSIDERATION IS GENERAL PUBLIC LAW FOR STANDARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXACTLY. WHAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. >> OUTLINED IN THE 1978 ATTORNEY GENERAL POSITION WHICH GOES TO THE FACT THIS IS LIKE A SITUATION. PWHERE THE CONTEXT O DECISION IS -- AND I REALIZE THAT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST. YOU KNOW, THE -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I MET WITH THEM AND THEY BELIEVE IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST TO CLOSE IT. SO THE OVERARCHING ORGANIZE ZATION THAT REPRESENTS ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE LOOKED AT IT. MET WITH THEM SAINTED YOU A LETTER AND THEY SUPPORT IT. AS FAR AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, HOPEFULLY IT IS REASON ME REPRESENTED THERE. THE -- YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES -- THE RIVERSIDE PROPERTY, THE OLD NONCONFORMING BUILDING WAS EFFECTIVELY HANGING OVER THE SEAWALL. THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS NEARLY 90 FEET DEEP. HARD TO SEE SCALE, BUT THE PROPERTY IS NOT THAT HUGE. SOME RECOMBINING IT. YOU KNOW, IT IS A 30-FOOT PLATTED ROADWAY AND THE -- I THINK THAT SAME A.G.'S OPINION SAYS THAT CONSIDEATIONS LIKE THE CITY WON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT ANYMORE IS CONSIDERATION WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SELF-EVIDENCE. THE -- THE PARALLEL INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE IS ALSO SANITARY INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH HERE. IT WAS IN PLACE TO SERVE THIS LARGE DANCE HALL. AND THE GAS STATION THAT WE ALSO -- SO, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO COMBINE THE PROPERTY TO CLEAN IT UP, TO -- TO SECURE IT IN A WAY THAT THERE IS NO LONGER SOMEBODY ACCESSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DAILY. AND ILLEGAL DUMPING GOING ON AND TO START TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WAYS TO ACTIVATE IT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC POINT YET, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW SUCCESSFUL HAVING A PLACE TO COALESCE IS THAT -- THE NORTH END OF THE RIVERWALK AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH A GOOD, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PATH FORWARD FOR THE PROPERTY AND KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LOOP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GUESS -- I GUESS PART OF MY CONCERN, AGAIN, IS STILL GIVING AWAY AN ASSET. I FULLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE BEST INTENT. LET'S SAY YOU ARE NO LONGER THE PROPERTY OWNER TEN YEARS FROM NOW AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED AND WHAT DO WE -- WHAT HAVE WE GIVEN AWAY FOR WHAT. THOSE ARE MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS. ARE REGIVING AWAY SOMETHING THAT -- LET'S SAY YOU ARE NOT AROUND FOR WHATEVER REASON. WHO HAS OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY? >> I THINK THE MORE IMPORTANT GENERAL WELFARE PERSPECTIVE ON IT IS EYE OWN THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THAT MY PREDECESSOR TITLED AND PLAT IT FOR MY BENEFIT. THE UTILITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE BOTH TOLD YOU THEY DON'T NEED THE UTILITIES THERE. IT IS JUST ADDITIONAL THINGS TO MAINTAIN. SO THERE IS -- YOU KNOW IT IS AN UNSAFE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION ROUTE. THERE IS NO PUBLIC INTEREST YET IN IT BEING USED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES IT -- SO ARE THOSE PROPERTIES DEVELOPABLE, SAY, FOR HOUSING WITHOUT THIS PROPERTY COMBINED? IS THAT PROPERTY USABLE STANDING ALONE WITHOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> I AM NOT SURE OF THAT. IT IS BE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF NEBRASKA AND A BRIDGE. I GUESS WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT -- WHAT VISION DO WE HAVE FOR THAT. AND WHAT MEANING CAN IT HAVE TO REACTIVATE THE HISTORIC THEATRE AND BEING -- YOU KNOW, LIFTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION I WOULD ASK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: AS A SEED ISSUE, I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR HELPING SULPHUR SPRINGS. THREE IN FOUR CHILDREN IN AREA LIVING IN POVERTY. PA CITY IN N I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE DAY REGARDING SULPHUR SPRINGS IN THE BUDGET. WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON DIFFERENT ISSUES. CRA AND CITY OF TAMPA, ETC. I WANT TO SALUTE YOU FOR THAT. LIKE YOU THAT CAN MOVE THE NEED IN PRIVATE SECTOR OF AREAS LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS. >> THANK YOU. AND I WON'T GET GOING ON THE POOL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I WANT TO GET BEARINGS WEST. THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THE BRIDGE WHERE THE OLD THEATRE USED TO BE. >> YES, SIR. THE HARBOR CLUB ACROSS FROM THE DOG TRACK. YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE CITY -- WHAT IS THE OBJECTION THE CITY HAS? WHAT IS THAT UNDER -- WHAT -- WHAT IS THE CONTEXT OF THE -- I SAW TWO BIG AREAS THERE IN THE MIDDLE. >> RORY JONES, CITY OF TAMPA, WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. REALLY THE OBJECTION IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, THINGS GET BUILT OVER. THE EXAMPLES YOU SAW WERE THINGS THAT OCCUR DOWN THE ROAD THAT CAUSED ISSUES WITH US. INCREASE OUR COST. INCREASE OUR LIABILITY OF RISK IF MAIN BREAKS NEARBY STRUCTURES. IT WASN'T -- IT -- WE ARE NOT -- WE DON'T OBJECT TO BE THIS. WE APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THIS IMPROVEMENT. AND WE CAN REMOVE THIS OBJECTION BASED ON OUR RECENT PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED WITH THIS -- WITH THIS RESOLUTION. IT JUST HAS A REVERTER TIME FRAME WITH IT. WE DON'T WANT TO STICK OUR RATE PAYERS DOWN THE ROAD WITH ISSUE AND WE SUPPORT AND REMOVE THAT OBJECTION WITH THE TIME REVERTER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY CONTINUE. ONLY ONE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WE DID IT. IT WAS A BIG JOB. A WAREHOUSE CLOSE TO NEBRASKA, NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS. HE SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT IF ANY TIME WANTED TO BREAK THROUGH AT THEIR COST, NOT OURS TO DO THE REPAIRS. BUT HE WOULD PAY FOR THE OPENING OF THE HOLE BECAUSE IT WAS CITY PROPERTY AT ONE TIME. THAT IS HOW IT CAME TOGETHER. A CONTRACT FOR WAREHOUSE FOR PLUMBING. BUT HE DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD THE WAREHOUSE WITH THE PERMITTING. A STRIP OF LAND UNDER THAT BASS AND MADE A COMMITMENT BETWEEN T- THOSE TWO ENTITIES THAT YOU HAVE HERE. IF YOU GO IN AND FIX SOMEBODY, TO DEVELOP -- I DON'T REMEMBER -- ALL -- I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT I REMEMBER ALL OF IT, BUT I REMEMBER THAT ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF. THAT WAS IT. >> AND HE UNDERSTAND THIS IS MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET, RIGHT. NOT YET TO THE STAGE WHERE THAT IS POSSIBLE. THAT IS WHY WE DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS ON THERE WITH HOPES THAT THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO YOU AND THEN REMOVE IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS WHAT I REMEMBER. THE TWO PARTIES CAME TOGETHER AND WORKED IT OUT. I NEVER WAS INVOLVED BUT I REMEMBER THAT DECADES AGO LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY. >> THE LANGUAGE HE IS REFERRING TO IS IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. >> I MEAN, TODAY'S EXAMPLE. THERE IS NO EXAMPLE THAT I KNOW OF IN THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE IS WORDED AND THE WAY ANY ORDINANCE SHOULD BE WORDED. NOTHING WILL BE BUILT OVER THIS WATER LINE UNTIL IT IS REMOVED OR PRIVATE. SO NOBODY IS PROPOSE NAG WILL EVER HAPPEN WITH THE PARKING GARAGE BEING ON TOP OF A WATER MAIN IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY QUESTION. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. WHEN WE READ THIS -- WE READ THIS AND ABANDON THE PROPERTY. THE CONCERNS OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE READ THIS, CORRECT? LAWYER TEAM. >>RON WIGGINTON: RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. YES, THE WAY I DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE. I WAS INFORMED THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE AN OBJECTION, FIRST AND FOREMOST. HOWEVER, IF COUNCIL OVERRULES THAT OBJECTION, THEY ARE COMFORTABLE TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER 12 MONTHS IN WHICH THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE WATER LINE AND FAILURE TO DO THAT WOULD MAKE THE ORDINANCE AND VOID AND REVERT BACK TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHERE IS THAT LANGUAGE? >> IN SECTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE WRITTEN INTO THAT -- >> EXCEPTION 4. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REREAD VAC 24-07. THAT IS IN THAT READING. >>RON WIGGINTON: AS ITS NOW. APPEAR COULD BE CHANGES FROM FIRST AND SECOND READING. BUT CURRENTLY AS IT READS RIGHT NOW -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THE BASES ARE COVERED. >> YES, SIR, FOR MEET ROW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MIC ON TO SPEAK? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DID BUT I THINK I WILL PASS. MR. HARDEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THE OLD FORMER WHITE HARBOR CLUB IS ON ITS WAY TO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING SOME LIFE PACK INTO A COMMUNITY THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME LOVE AND I DISCOVERED WHEN WE WERE TOURING -- WHAT IS GOING WE GAVE $75,000. STEPPINGSTONE. LCO: - >>GWEN HENDERSON: ON THAT TOUR WE FOUND OUT YOU PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY. IT APPEARS TO BE A ROAD FOR SOME WONDERFUL REVITALIZATION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS. AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT AND I CAN SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS HERE TODAY. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 112. WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED. I ECHO THE COMMENTS. GLAD TO SEE YOU ARE THE OWNER AND YOU ARE A PRO-PRY FOR AND THE AREA THAT NEEDS IT, THIS COULD BE THE BEGINNING OF A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY MAY I ASK THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO COME UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW FOR THE LINE. >> WE ARE LIABLE FOR THE DAMAGE AND REPAIR IT. IF THIS TURNS INTO AN EASEMENT, WE HAVE NO FORMAL MECHANISM WITHIN OUR PROCESSES TO REVIEW ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE THERE. THERE IS A FORMAL RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT THAT SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DAMAGE AND TO REPAIR IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ASK THE ATTORNEY TO COME UP. THERE IS A CONFLICT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM CONFUSED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU SAID SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD FOR. BID US -- >> NO, REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO REMOVE THE WATER LINE WITHIN 12 MONTHS. FAILURE TO DO SO WOULD RENDER THE ORDINANCE AND VOID AND REVERT PACK TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WILL THAT SATISFY THE WATER DEPARTMENT? >> NO, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT HE IS AFTER. WE WANT HIS PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO WE WANT THAT REMOVED. WE WANT TO REMOVE OUR LIABILITY -- FUTURE LIABILITY. BUT OFFICIAL THE GOMES THAT HE IS AFTER AS WELL. SO CUT AND PLUG AND THIS WOULDN'T BE UTILIZED AND WE ARE WILLING TO USE OUR OWN CONSTRUCTION CREW AS WELL TO KEEP COSTS LOW. >> PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >>THE ORDINANCE SAYS HAS TO BE CUT AN PLUGGED FOR A YEAR OR THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY REVERTS. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS IN IT, THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ. WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT WE JUST HEARD -- THIS IS FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THAT THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO PLUG THIS, OR WE GO BACK TO STATUS QUO TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTION TO THAT? >> NO, THAT -- WHICH WOULD REMOVE OUR OBJECTION. THAT WAS PROPOSED LANGUAGE WE PUT IN THERE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF AVENUE FORWARD. WE WOULDN'T OOB TO IT IF THIS REVERTS BACK. IT IS CHECKS AND BALANCES. >> I AGREE WITH CHARLIE. SEEMS LIKE THINGS WERE GOING OFF THE RAILS FOR A MINUTE AND WHERE IS THIS GOING. WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IF THE CITY COUNCIL ENACTS THIS ORDINANCE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS 12 MONTHS TO PLUG THIS MAIN LINE OR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. YES YES YES? RIGHT? >> YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK? >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO SMART. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE. MOTION BY CLENDENIN. SECOND BY HENDERSON. COUNCILMAN VIERA. I LEFT OFF TO YOU. 112. >> ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING CLOSING, DISCONTINUING OR ABANDONING GRABT GRANT AVENUE NORTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH OF VAN DYKE PLACE, EAST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE AND WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF VAN DYKE PLACE AND RIVER COVE STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF FANNYPRIDE SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, RESTRICTIONS AND PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES AND VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED BY CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SECOND READING STAND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD AUGUST 22, 024 AT 10 OKAY /* A.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 601 E. KENNEDY, 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. PRESSMAN, FOR ITEM 113. I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A CALL. WE WILL GO TO 114 AND GO BACK TO 113 TAKE 114 NOW. YES, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: DANA CROSBY COLLIER FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON REGARDING ITEM 114. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING THAT IT IS RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSED IN OUR CODE. THE ORDINANCE WILL CODIFY, UPDATE AND REVISE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE CODE, AND THEN IT WILL ESTABLISH THE 17.5 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STANDARDS IN OUR CHAPTER 27 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS ORDINANCE WAS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 10 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE NEED TO TAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: NO, JUST A FIRST READING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? IF NOT, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, READ 114. >> YES, SIR CHAIR, THANK YOU. I MOVEE 2024-8 CH 17.5, ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACT RESCINDING CITY OF TAMPA ORDINANCE NUMBERLE /* 88-184 IN ITS ENTIRETY AND UPDATING AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING NOTICE AND ARTICLE TWO OF CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, CODE, WHICH ARTICLE TWO SHALL BE ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS AMENDING THE TITLE CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENTS CONQUER REN SEE, MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND SUSTAINABILITY AMENDING 27-6 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO INCLUDE THIS ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDE FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU GOT IT EARNING OKAY, MR. MASSEY? >>MORRIS MASSEY: YOU SKIPPED QUICKLY OVER TO THIS. AND THANK YOU FOR HIS DANA CROSBY COLLIER FOR COVERING IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND? >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IS THAT AN AYE? UNANIMOUS. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON AUGUST 22, 2024 AT 10:00 A.M. AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 305 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLORIDA, TAMPA, MR., 33602. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE APPLICANT FOR 114 IS ASKING FOR A FEW MINUTES. TAKE A QUICK RECESS OR -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 115 IS GOING INTO THE WHOLE DESIGN-BUILD OF WEST RIVER. THAT IS GOING TO BE LONG. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S TAKE A TEN-MINUTE RECESS. AND WE WILL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. ITEM 13. >>RON WIGGINTON: RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES AND RECENTLY CAME UP AND WILL COME UP WHEN A DEPARTMENT OBJECTS TO VACATING, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ABSTAIN THE OBJECTION WHICH CAN RESULT IN THE DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OBJECT AND PROCEED WITH IT AND APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO OVERRULE THE OBJECTION, MY JOB TO INSERT LANGUAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT PROTECTS THE CITY TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY WHICH IS USUALLY IN THE FORM OF AN EASEMENT. SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS OUT WHEN THERE IS AN OBJECTION FROM A DEPARTMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS SOMEBODY IN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL JUST TOOK, AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT LANGUAGE WE DISCUSSED, YOU ALREADY PROACTIVELY INSERTED IN THERE. >>RON WIGGINTON: EXACTLY. COVERED. ENDENIN: THE CITY IS - >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 113. MISS SAMOS. >>ROSS SAMONS: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. GET THE CLERK TO SHARE THE ELMO, PLEASE. FILE NUMBER VAC 24-08. ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENTRD COUNTY ADMINISTRATORRD NATION. VAC 24-0. APPLICANT IS 36 COMMERCIAL YARD, INC. AGENT IS TODD PRESSMAN. NORTH 36th STREET. VACATE A PORTION OF 5th AVENUE LYING NORTH OF 4th AVENUE, WEST OF 36th STREET, SOUTH OF 7th AVENUE AND EAST OF 39th STREET THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED MARCH 19, 2024. APPLICANT'S REASON FOR APPLICATION IS UNUSED FOR EXTREME LONG TIME AND ACCESS HAS BEEN BLOCKED. RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT. EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 10,616 SQUARE FEET. THERE IS A CURRENT COVE CASE IN PROCESS FILE NUMBER 24-397. THOSE VIOLATION DETAILS, OBJECTS PLACED ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY OBSTRUCTING AN OPEN STR STREET. THIS IS THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN YELLOW. A PORTION OF EXISTING PLATTED FIFTH AVENUE. PROPERTY OWNED IS PROPERTY IN RED. THERE IS THE PLAT WHERE THAT PORTION OF FIFTH AVENUE IS CREATED. A CLIP SHOWING THAT PORTION OF 5th AVENUE BETWEEN BLOCKS ONE AND TWO. HERE IS AN IMAGE LOOKING EAST FROM 36th STREET. AGAIN, THE OBSTRUCTION FROM THE COLD CKAED KOED CASE. THE STAFF BE AS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST. EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY TRANSPORTATION AND TECO. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FROM TRANSPORTATION TO SPEAK ON THE OBJECTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD YOU GO INTO LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE OBJECTIONS. STAFF OBJECTION. >> MELODY CALLOWAY, TRANSPORTATION DIVISION. AS ROSS WAS SHOWING YOU, THE PROPERTY OWNER OWN THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS THIS PROPERTY THIS IS THE PROPOSED VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY HERE. WE HAVE OBJECTION OF VACATING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE ONE OBJECTION IS THIS WHEN EVENTUALLY WILL BE SOLD OWNED BY THE PROPERTY TODAY. IF THIS IS VACATED. THEY WILL ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SUBSTANDARD RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ONLY MEASURING 25 FEET WIDE. 25 FEET WIDE IS VERY SUBSTANDARD BECAUSE HOW DO YOU PUT FIVE-FEET SIDEWALKS, 20-FOOT ROADWAY, PUT IN TECO LINES, UTILITY, WATER, SEWER AND EVERYTHING IT BECOMES VERY SUBSTANDARD. THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY HERE IS 50 FEET WIDE IMPORTANT FOR THIS PROPERTY TO ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PROPERTY LOCATED HERE IS THE ONE THAT FILED THE COMPLAINT. AS YOU SEE THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE HAS BEEN IN THIS AREA AND USING AS PART OF HIS PROPERTY FOR MANY YEARS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE TUN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH IS THE PROPERTY THEY WANT TO -- THE ONES THAT HAVE THE LINES ON IT? >> THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THE PETITIONER OWNS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ONE IN THE CENTER IS NOT THE LONG ONE -- >> THIS IS THE PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TODAY. THIS IS THE ONE THEY WANT TO VACATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL RIGHT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. PRESSMAN. >> THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COUNCILMEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT WAS UNAVOIDABLE. THE POWERPOINT. IF YOU CAN BRING UP THAT PLEASE, VACATION 24-08. ISSUE THIS IS A VACATION OF A REMNANT OF EAST FIFTH AVENUE AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT TO YOU. THE FACT IS NO ONE FOR DECADES HAVE WANTED IT, SOUGHT IT, NEED IT OR USE IT. A LEFTOVER OR FORGOTTEN LITTLE TINY REMNANT OF A DISTANCED ROADWAY NEVER CONNECTED OR WILL NEVER BE CONNECTED. A PIECE OF LAND THAT GOES NOWHERE. AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A SINGLE COMPLAINT RAISED IN 20 PLUS YEARS ABOUT THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO AS INDICATED TO YOU, IT IS IN THE YBOR AREA. AND IT IS BETWEEN ADAMO AND EAST 7th TO THE NORTH OF THE RAIL LINE AND NORTH 37th STREET IS TO THE EAST. YOU CAN SEE YELLOW RECTANGLE WHICH IS THE SEGMENT OF LAND THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. LOOKING A LITTLE CLOSER, ONE IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS THAT YOUR HOPE VILLAGE IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR ON THE RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT THE LITTLE SQUARES ARE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS TO THE EAST. AND, AGAIN, SHOWING YOU THE AREA TO BE VACATED. AND A LITTLE CLOSER. SUBJECT SITE -- AGAIN, THE HOPE CENTER IS ON RIGHT. VERY IMPORTANTLY, THE SAME APPLICANT OWNS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH. SO WE HAVE CONTROL OF BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. NOT ALL THE SOUTH, I SHOW YOU AS APPLICANT, THEY OWN PART OF THE SOUTH, WHICH IS PART OF THE ISSUE RAISED FROM -- WITH RESPECT TO MISS CALLOWAY. AND IT HAS BEEN GATED, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS NOT ACCESS THROUGH AND WE SUBMIT A SURVEY, OF COURSE, TO THE AREA. NO MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE EAST AND THE WEST. LOOKING A LITTLE FURTHER OUT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF FIFTH AVENUE WHICH SOMEBODY 34th STREET. AND, AGAIN, I AM SHOWING YOU THE SIGHT HERE EITHER FURTHER BACK. ONLY ROADWAY OF FIFTH. GOES NOWHERE ELSE. NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. IMPOSSIBLE TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. NOW LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE ON NORTH 37th, NO ACCESS. AS YOU SEE TO THE NORTH, THERE IS A RAILWAY LINE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TREES AND NATURAL GROWTH HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. AND, AGAIN, HOPE VILLAGE IS ON THE EAST SIDE. ON THE VERY NORTH PART OF THAT HAS BEEN CLOSED AND ON THE RAIL LINE. AS MISS CALLOWAY INDICATED ONLY 25-FOOT WIDTH OF ROADWAY WHICH IS UNIMPROVED. NOT A ROADWAY BUT A PAPER ROADWAY SUBSTANDARD TO BE USED ANYWAY FOR ANY USE. NO ACCESS FOR DECADES ALONG NORTH 37th. THIS IS WHERE THE ROADWAY. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE USED BY ANYONE. BOTTOM OF NORTH 37th TO SHOW IT HAVEN'T BEEN ACCESSED THROUGH USE. A BIG DO NOT ENTER SIGN AND WILL NOT OCCUR AND NO ONE HAS INTEREST. HISTORICALLY 2017, 2010, 2002. THIS IS -- THIS IS 1998. HISTORY IN TERMS OF NO USE. AGAIN, NO ONE WANTS IT. NO ONE HAS USED IT. SERVES NO PURPOSE. NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND ALSO INDICATES ZONE SINCE THE 2000s. NOW WITH GREAT RESPECT TO MISS CALLOWAY, INDICATED STAFF CONCERN WITH SOUTHERN PARCEL AND WE OWN THAT. UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME AND THE SAME -- SAME GENTLEMAN OWNS BOTH PROPERTIES. WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE CITY IN AN AGREEMENT THAT THAT PARCEL NOT BE SOLD WITHOUT THE NORTH PROPERTY BEING SOLD WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE ONE OPERATION ANYWAY. SO WE ARE OPEN TO THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE -- AND THAT IS SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN STAFF REPORT SAYS THE OBJECTION IS -- IS ALSO THAT MAY BE USED AS A ROADWAY CONNECTING 36 AND 37 FOR FUTURE MULTIMODAL USES WHICH WE FIND A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHY ANYONE WOULD USE 37th. I SHOWED YOU ALREADY IT HAVEN'T BEEN USED AND CUT OFF, MORE IMPORTANTLY THE HOPE CENTER IS A HIGHLY SECURED AREA. BARBED WIRE ALL THE WAY AROUND. UNFORTUNATE FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH THEIR LIVING SITUATION. SO THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS MORE PEOPLE AND VEHICLES HAVING ACCESS ALL ALONG HOPE CENTER AND HOPE VILLAGE WHERE THEY ARE TRYING KEEP THAT SECURE AND THIS WILL KEEP IT TREMENDOUSLY SECURE. TECO EASEMENT FOR AN OVERHEAD WIRE THAT IS MOVED. WE PROVIDE EASEMENT FOR THAT ALL THE TIME. NATURAL RESOURCES REFER TO CHAPTER 7 FOR DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN IN SUMMARY, NO ONE FOR DECADES HAVE USED IT, SOUGHT IT OR NEED IT. ONE LITTLE PIECE OF REMNANTS, A LEFTOVER VESTIGE OF A PIECE OF LAND THAT GOES NOWHERE. NOT A SINGLE COMPLAINT RAISED IN OVER TWO DECADES. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE BELIEVE IF WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER AN AGREEMENT OR TWO TO ALLOW THIS TO OCCUR, AND WILL BE A POSITIVE MOVING FORWARD. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU PUT THE OVERHEAD AND SHOW THE OVERHEAD OF THE PROPERTY? >> SHOW WHAT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OVERHEALTH PROPERTY -- YOUR PROPERTY. TECH DEPARTMENT. >> A NIGHTTIME SHOT. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TODD PRESSMAN IS TRYING TO MAKE MY SPOT AS A COMEDIAN. >> THERE WE GO. OKAY, LET'S SEE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT ONE RECEIPT THERE. SO YOU -- YOU. YOUR -- THE PERSON YOU REPRESENT OWNS THE THREE FOLIOS UNDERNEATH THE YELLOW BOX ADJACENT TO 37th, ALL THREE OF THOSE. >> YES, OWNED ALL THE NORTH AND MY ORIENTATION TO THE NORTH, THOSE THREE, CORRECT. >> VERY GOOD. WE HAVE NOT -- THERE IS NOT ANY PROPERTY THAT WILL BE ABANDONING OR ISOLATED? GO BACK TO THAT ONE THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WAS STAFF'S CONCERN? NO, NO, KEEP GOING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KEEP GOING. >> THE STAFF'S CONCERN AS I UNDERSTAND IT WITH RESPECT TO MISS CALLOWAY THAT THESE PARCELS WOULD BE SOLD ON THEIR OWN AND SENIOR CITIZEN THE ACCESS FOR THAT PARCEL WILL HAVE TO EXIST ON THE SMALL ROAD TO THE RIGHT. 37. SO WHAT I AM SUGGEST SOMETHING. >> WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHY AREN'T THOSE ALL THREE PARCELS OF CONCERN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHY JUST TWO OUT OF THOSE THREE? >> YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF CONCERN PARCEL, THAT IS THE ONLY PARCEL THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. THIS PARCEL HERE AND HERE IS THE ONLY ONE HERE. THIS PARCEL IS THIS OUTLINE HERE. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO 36th STREET WHICH IS FULLY PAVED. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PORTION TO THIS STREET THAT IS ALSO A 50-FOOT WIDTH. A 50-FOOT WIDTH. 50 FOOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY THEY WANT TO VACATE. THIS PARCEL ONLY HAS ACCESS TO THAT PARCEL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THREE FO FOLIOS. NOT JUST TWO. >> THIS ONE AND THIS ONE. THESE TWO ONLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THREE FOLIOS, NOT JUST THE TWO. GOTCHA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T GO ANYWHERE, ITS ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. MR. PRESSMAN SAID THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS. YOU SAID THIS ALL ORIGINATED FROM A COMPLAINT. CAN YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT THE COMPLAINT HISTORY FOR THIS PROPERTY? >> WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR HAD PUT IN A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT THAT THE OWNER -- THAT THE PROPERTY, AS YOU REMEMBER, THE PICTURE THAT ROSS HAD PUT UP SHOWS THIS IS DATED HERE. AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN GATED AND FENCED IN. THE COMPLAINT WAS THERE WERE OBJECTS OBJECT STRUCKING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS COMPLETELY REQUEST. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY MAY NOT BE UNIMPROVED BUT PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND FORECAST, CASS STREET. YOU TALK OF PROPERTY WE HAD. TRASK STREET. IT USED TO BE A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. USED TO BE A ROADWAY THAT THE INTERSTATE DEADED INTO TO. THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. IT DEAD-ENDS TO THE INTERSTATE. NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. D.O.T. HAS PAID MILLION OF DOLLARS TO PUT TRASK STREET THROUGH. PLANNING IT ONE TIME MAY NOT HAVE NEEDED, BUT FUTURE PLANNING YOU NEVER KNOW IF YOU WERE DOING NEED IT. AND THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO RESERVE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS PROPERTY IS ONLY A MATTER OF WHEN IT WILL BE SOLD. NOT "IF" BUT "WHEN." BECAUSE NOBODY LIVES FOREVER. THAT PROPERTY WON'T ALWAYS BE OWNED BY HIM. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS PROPERTY ALWAYS HAS ACCESS TO A 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. NOT A SUBSTANDARD 25-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? YES? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. PRESSMAN, WHY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THE CITY TO GIVE AWAY -- I HAD THE LAST QUESTION OF THE LAST VACATION. I AM ALWAYS SKEPTICAL OF GIVING AWAY PROPERTY FOR NOTHING, UNLESS IT IS IN THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST. WHY WOULD IT BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO GIVE A PRIVATE LAND HOLD THEY ARE LAND? >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF I MAY -- I NEED TO CORRECT THE RECORD, BECAUSE MISS CALLOWAY IS CORRECT. THERE WAS A COMPLAINT MADE BY THE NEIGHBOR. SUBSEQUENTLY MY -- MY CLIENT HAS COMMUNICATED TO ME THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THAT NEIGHBOR. I HAVEN'T. AND THAT THEY WERE NOT IN OBJECTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE TODAY, BUT THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD THIRD HAND. I DO WANT TO CORRECT THAT RECORD. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I REALLY DON'T -- I HEAR YOUR QUESTION OF SERVING THE PUBLIC, BUT I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU THIS IS AN UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY WHATSOEVER OF PUBLIC USE OF THIS PARCEL AND THIS REMNANT LAND. IT WAS CLEARLY PLANNED TO BE A ROADWAY. IF WE GO BACK TONIGHT POW POWERPOINT. A SITUATION THAT MISS CALLOWAY REFERRED TO THIS MAY BE A SITUATION. BUT HERE WE ARE TWO COMPLETE BLOCKS AWAY FROM MY SIDE AND NONE UPON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE IS ACTUALLY NO -- AS FAR AS WE CAN SEE, IT IS VERY CLEAR, THERE IS NO POSSIBLE PUBLIC PURPOSE HERE. THE HAS BEEN USED AND OPERATE BY THIS LANDOWNER FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS WITH NO COMPLAINT UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST TOWING THAT THE CRITERIA -- I DON'T GET A VOTE HERE, IS THAT -- IS A QUESTION OF OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES AND OTHER ISSUES TO BE EVALUATED ON WHY THIS SHOULD BE SAY THE CAPED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BUILDINGS COME AND GO. AND EVEN THAT HOPE VILLAGE PROPERTY CAN BE REDEVELOPED. AWFUL LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR FOR WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. >> QUESTION FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL USE AND CLEARLY NOT A POTENTIAL ROADWAY HERE. BUT IF YOU APPLY THAT TO EVERY LAND USE VACATING, THEN FLOSS REASON TO BRING ANY LAND USE VACATING FORWARD. THERE ARE REASONS AND FUNCTIONS FOR VACATING AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE MET THEM. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. NOT, I HAVE SOMEBODY REGISTERED, BRIAN. IS BRIAN ON? >> I AM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, BRIAN. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND TAMPA COUNCILMEMBERS. BY REPRESENT HERITAGE SHORES, WHICH OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE SOUTH. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION TO VACATE. MY CLIENT'S PRESENCE IS TO KEEP FIFTH AVENUE OPEN TO CONTINUE TO ACCESS NORTH OF THE PROPERTY AND PARK AROUND THAT WAREHOUSE. THIS ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHERE MY CLIENT WOULD OBJECT TO BE THIS MOTION, IT IS IMPORTANT UNDER HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. TO THE NORTH, IT IS PETITION HERE AND OWNED BY 36 YBOR COMMERCIAL YARD INC THE PROPERTY OWNER USE THIS PROPERTY AS A JUNK YARD AND TRUCK PARK. THEY POLLUTED THEIR PARTY ALREADY REQUIRING MONITORING WELLS ON MY CHOO CLIENT'S PROPERTY. THE PETITIONER HAS CLOSED OFF FIFTH AVENUE TO PLACE JUNK CARS ON THE PROPERTY ILLEGALLY EXPANDING ITS JUNKYARD ON THE CITY PROPERTY. NOT ONLY HAVE THEY CLOSED OFF OF. AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. NOT ONLY THE STREET BUT PUT THE BARRICADES OVER MY CLIENT'S BUILDINGS THAT HAVE CAUSED DRAINAGE ISSUES. CAUSED SOME RUST ISSUES ON THE PANELS. SO. MY CLIENTS HAD TO PLAY TO CLEAN AND REGRADE THE LAND WITH FILL DIRT AND A BACK HOE. AND MY CLIENT HAS VERY LITTLE RECOURSE, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AN ENTITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST. IT IS FOR THAT REASON WE FILED A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT AND ONE OF THE FEW AVENUES WE HAVE TO GET THIS AREA CLEAR AND TO GET THE JUNK AND THE CONCRETE BARRIERS OFF OF MY CLIENT'S BUILDING. WE FILED THIS PETITION, AND THE NEIGHBOR FILED THIS TO RESOLVE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO NOT AWARD THIS BAD ACTOR BY GRANTING THE PETITION TO VACATE. MY CLIENT HAS CONCERNED SOUTH HALF OF 5th AVENUE REVERTS TO IT, IT WILL BE UNDER THE FLORIDA LAW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP OF WHAT WE EXPECT IS CONTAMINATED PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE REMAINDER OF THE PETITIONER'S PROPERTY IS PCONTA FOR THOSE REASONS, MY CLIENT WILL URGE THE COUNCIL TO DENY THE PETITION AND MAINTAIN THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AND ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE DRAINAGE AND PREVENT POLLUTION TO OTHERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK? IF NOT, MR. PRESSMAN, DO YOU HAVE REBUTTAL. >> I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE SOUTH WAS WHAT I COMMUNICATED WAS THIRD HAND FROM MY CLIENT OF WHAT HIS COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN. SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND PRECISE ON THAT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOTHING FURTHER. A MOTION TO CLOSE. WAIT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOTION CLOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN -- WE CAN ALWAYS OPEN IT AGAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST SO COUNCIL KNOWS AND THE PETITIONER KNOWS AND I HAVE A COPY FOR THE PETITIONER, IF HE WANTS. OPINION IT IS A 2011 MEMORANDUM AND MR. WIGGINTON IS VERY FAMILIAR WRITTEN BY JULIA COLE THAT SETS FORTH THE STANDARD OF REVIEWS FOR APPLICATION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. SECOND PAGE IS THE CRITERIA. I WILL GIVE A COPY FOR MR. PRESSMAN AND A COPY TO THE CLERK FOR THE RECORD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTION CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? COUNCILMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL I HEARD THAT THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T WANT IT. TO ME THAT IS ALWAYS ENOUGH. SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE FILE NUMBER VAC 24-08 -- 24-308, A ABUTTING PROPERTY OWN WILL BE COMPLETELY CUT OFF OR DIMINISHED AS A RESULT OF VENTILATOR SKATING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ADD TO YOUR MOTION THAT IT DOES NOT SERVE A PUBLIC INTEREST TO VACATE THE PROPERTY? >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. I BELIEVE THAT IS -- THAT IS CRITERIA NUMBER 3. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT AMENABLE TO THE SECOND? >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CARLSON VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 115 WE NEED STAFF FOR 115, 116 AND 117. MR. BHIDE. >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. AND I AM JOINED BY RICHARD MUDDERBACK WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, JUSTIN VASKE WITH LEGAL AND A COUPLE OF MOW PIT STAFF MEMBERS TO ADDRESS ITEMS 115 AND 116. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND A GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN 2022. THIS PROJECT IS UNOFFICIALLY CALLED THE WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT. AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT BUILDS OUT AN ENTIRE NETWORK BY ACTIVATING A RIVER AND INTRODUCING SAFER MULTIMODAL CONNECTED FEATURES ON ROOM, AND PARTS OF COLUMBUS AND OTHERS. WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT THE JUNE 20 MEETING. I'LL BE ANTICIPATE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THIS MORNING. YOU HAVE HEARD FROM WALK-BIKE TAMPA. ADVOCACY GROUP, OF COURSE, THE MAYOR EMPHASIZED HOW THIS PROJECT WAS PLANNED IN ISOLATION. THE CONNECTOR PROJECT THAT CONNECTS TO OTHER PROBLEMS WITHIN THE AREA THAT ARE EITHER ACTIVE OR IN -- IN COMPLETION STAGES AS WE SPEAK. ON JUNE 20, YOU HEARD FROM T THE CBAC AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROJECT. AND ALSO FROM THE WEST TAMPA CAC, THE CRA CAC CARLOS RECOMMENDED THEM AND SHARED HIS SUPPORT. AND MORE RECENTLY AGAIN, ADDING TO THE PROJECT AND TO HIGHLIGHT HOW THIS ISN'T IN ISOLATION. WE WORKED WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND PART OF YESTERDAY'S BUDGET APPROVAL, IT INCLUDED THE SIGNALIZATION OF ROME AND COLUMBUS THAT WILL BE FUNDS FROM IF THE COUNTY, TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY, AND THEN THE CITY WILL BUILD THAT SIGNAL AND THAT DOES, AGAIN, IMPACT AND ENHANCE THIS GROUP OF PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE WEST RIVERWALK. IT DOES IMPACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BENEFITS IT. CERTAINLY MOVES OUR VISION ZERO AND MOBILITY GOALS FORWARD. AND IT -- AND ACTIVATES THE RIVER WHERE WE HAVE KEY AFFORDABLE HOUSE AND OTHER PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AS WELL IN THE WEST TAMPA, GRAND CENTRAL, U.T. AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTOR FOR NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE AND SOUTH OF THE INTERSTATE. AND NORTH OF KENNEDY AND SOUTH OF KENNEDY. SOME IN ALL, IT IS A -- IT IS A HIGH VALUE PROJECT. IT HAS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFITS. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT I WANT TO REITERATE THE REASONS I THINK THIS -- WHILE THE PROJECT IS EXCELLENT AND I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROJECT, WHILE -- WHY I DON'T THINK -- WHY -- I WOULD VOTE TOE REDUCE THE SCOPE OF THIS, AND REAPPLY TO THE GRANT AND REBID IT. THIS IS THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD GO. REASON I BELIEVE THAT, WE STARTED WITH ADDS 24 MILLION GRANT. WE GOT $6 MILLION WHICH WAS 25% MATCH. 25% MATCH, VERY REASONABLE. NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT -- I BELIEVE -- I WILL ASK MR. ROGERO QUICKLY -- WHAT IS AGAIN IF YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY GO OVER THE COST NOW. AND $6 MILLION AND 25% MATCH. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, COUNCIL. DENNIS ROCKSGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. >>LYNN HURTAK: NICE TO SEE YOU TWICE IN THE DAY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: TWICE AS LUCKY. NICE TO SEE YOU ALSO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE WELCOME. >>DENNIS ROGERO: RIGHT. I HAVE SOME DASH VISUAL OF TWO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RUN DOWN AGAIN. I AM A VISUAL PERSON WHERE I DON'T MIND. $57 MILLION OF CONCERNED SOURCES, $24 MILLION FOR THE GRANT AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX. CURRENT FOR $6 MILLION ABOUT $30 MILLION AND THAT IS GREAT. AGAIN, AS YOU ALSO SAID ABOUT $27 MILLION SHORT. RIGHT NOW BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION, LIKELY MORE DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE OF CRA CONTRIBUTIONS AND ADDITIONAL FUND FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHAT WE KNOW IS WE GOT ADDS 27 MILLION SHORTFALL AND REALISTICALLY, THE ONLY WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS FINANCING AS WE TALKED BEFORE. IF WE THROW THE POTENTIAL FINANCING AGAINST YOU, WE END UP WITH A NET ZERO. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE WELCOME. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS KAPESKY. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> BUDGET ANALYST, CITY COUNCIL. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELCOME FOR YOUR FIRST -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: INAUGURAL. >>LYNN HURTAK: AS OUR BUDGET SEASON KICKS OFF. SO YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT -- IF WE COULD BORROW YOUR -- M MR. ROGERO YOUR LOVELY BREAKOUT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SURE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WILL BE GREAT. IF WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MY CONCERN IS IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW IT IS GOING TO BE -- IF WE ARE -- USE ROUND NUMBERS, $57 MILLION. IF WE PUT $6 UNTIL FROM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX, OUR REMAINING OBLIGATION IS $27 MILLION. MR. ROGERO BEFORE, AND JULY 20 -- JUNE 20, GOSH, A WHOLE BHOENT BY -- SAID THA /* /* THE COST IS $25 MILLION. CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE I HAVE THAT IF YOU LIKE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ZONING A MINUTE AND I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS.AND YES, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THAT $27 MILLION PLUS THE $6 MILLION IS $33 MILLION, CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE TAKE THE $33 MILLION -- SO NOW INSTEAD OF OUR -- INSTEAD OF OUR -- THE GRANT IS STILL $24 MILLION. AND INSTEAD 69 MATCH BEING 25% OR $6 MILLION, IT NOW GOES TO $33 MILLION AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 137.5% MATCH. AM I CORRECT? >>. >> LET ME SAY ONE THING, ORIGINAL 57. THE GRANT 24. YOU ARE NOT INCLUDING THE 6. I WAS THINKING THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE WE ALREADY XHIPTED TO 25%. GETS US TO 27 MILLION. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING. 27 UNTIL RELATION TO THE ORIGINAL 24 WE ARE GETTING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO 115% OF ESSENTIAL MATCH FROM THE CITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: INSTEAD OF 25% MATCH 137.5% MATCH. TAKE THAT $27 MILLION AND ADD THE 25 MILLION IN INTEREST. WE NOW ARE AT $52 MILLION. >> RIGHT. >>LYNN HURTAK: A $52 MILLION COST TO THE PUBLIC FOR $24 MILLION OF GETTING SOME OF OUR MONEY BACK. >> CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: 52 MILLION OVER 24 MILLION TO LOOK AT OUR PERCENTAGE IS 217% MATCH. IT IS GOING TO COST US 217% OF THAT GRANT IN ORDER TO GET WHAT THE GRANT WAS SUPPOSED TO COVER TO BEGIN WITH. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IN. >> THE MATH IS CORRECT, YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: APPRECIATE IT. THAT WAS MY POINT TO SAY THAT WE ARE JUST COMPLETELY OVERLEVERAGED IN THIS GRANT. AND MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE CAN NOT CONTINUE TO ACCEPT GRANTS WHERE WE ARE NOT GOING TO ABLE TO MATCH. REMINDS ME OF HANNA AVENUE WHERE WE STARTED WITH SOMETHING AND KEPT GOING AND KEPT GOING AND KEPT GOING. AND BASICALLY TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN AND GIVE BACK IN MONEY. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH OF THAT MONEY JUST TO MAKE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN. AND TO ME, AS STEWARD OF TAX PAY PER DOLLARS. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE, WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO REDUCE THE SCOPE, APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND REBID IT. MAY BE A SMALLER AMOUNT, BUT BASICALLY -- FOLKS SAY WE ARE GIVING AWAY 24 MILLION. BUT WE ARE NOT. WE ARE TAKING WHAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON AND NOW SPEND 216% MORE FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BEGIN WITH. AND I JUST -- I AM ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT. ANDA AS FAR AS THE CRA GOES, NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED YET. THE CURRENT CRA BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR WHICH I ASKED MISS MOODY BEFORE, BEFORE RELEFT THE CITY. BUDGET FOR WEST TAMPA, 8.9 MILLION. IF WE ARE GETTING $5 THERE WILL THAT, WE ARE ONLY LEAVING THEM WITH $379 MILLION. WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST TIPS OF ALL THE CRAs. THEIR TI THIS YEAR WAS 4.5%. WE HAVE TIFs THAT RANGE FROM NEGATIVE 1 ALL THE WAY TO 19%. THAT, BY THE WAY, WAS EAST TAMPA. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY -- THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INCREASE TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THEM. AND I WON'T DO IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN. >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH MY COLLE COLLEAGUE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING FOR OR AGAINST A RIVER WALK ON THE WEST SIDE. OBVIOUSLY THE RIVERWALK ON THE RIGHT SIDE HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL. THE NUMBERS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WERE COMPLETELY FALSE. BILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. THE REASON THERE WAS BILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT BECAUSE OF THE RIVER, NOT RIVERWALK. THEY WERE PLANNING ON BUILDING IN SOME OF THE PLACES FOR A LONG TIME AND I AM NOT AGAINST THE RIVERWALK. I HEARD -- I DON'T NEED A RESPONSE, I HEARD THAT U.T. WAS AGAINST A SECTION OF IT, BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS HOW IT IS BEING PAID FOR AND HOW MUCH IT IS. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT IN ISOLATION, IT IS A GREAT PROJECT, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK WHERE DO YOU WANT. AND THE PUBLIC CLEARLY SAYS THEY WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED AND THE PARKS FIXED AND OTHER BASIC SERVICES FIXED. THE MAJOR SAID THIS MORNING THAT OUR JOB IS TO MAINTAIN AND FIX THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AND WE CAN ALSO BUILD SOME NEW SERVICES. BUT WE CAN'T BUILD -- SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT WE CAN'T BUILD A NEW SERVICE WITH MONEY WE SHOULD BE USING TO MAINTAIN THE OLD SERVICES. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM FOR ROADS AND PARKS. WE ARE WOEFUL LEAVE BEHIND. I THINK THEY WERE STARVED FOR A LONG TIME TO JUSTIFY TAX INCREASES. BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE STUCK. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO FUND THEM. AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUND THIS. THIS $6 MILLION. CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP. THIS $6 UNTIL COMMUNITY INVESTMENT IS STILL TAX MONEY WE CAN USE ON SOMETHING ELSE. SO WE ARE AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTING THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR $52 MILLION BUT -- IT IS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE -- WE ARE NOT BONDING IT. 3 33 TOTAL. >>BILL CARLSON: 27 MILLION PLUS 5, 52. PLUS THE SIX MILLION, 58. THE GRANT MONEY -- I KNOW PEOPLE AT US DOT, WE CAN ALSO GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM. THAT $24 MILLION WE CAN USE FOR SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE $20 MILLION GRANT AND $10 MILLION MATCHING I WOULD APPROVE THIS IN A SECOND BECAUSE THAT IS A REALLY GOOD DEAL. THE WAY THIS IS SET UP NOW, OUR PUBLIC ON THE HOOK FOR $58 MILLION AND THIS ADMINISTRATION -- IS A PET PROJECT. A GREAT PROJECT IN THE CONCEPT OF IT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T GO OUT AND BUY A BRAND-NEW CAR IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY YOUR HOUSE PAYMENT. RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FIX THE ROADS. AND WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE FIXING -- ALL KINDS OF MARKET INNING SLOGANS OUT THERE. THE REALITY THAT THE ROADS ARE FALLING APART THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE HAVE DUGOUTS FOR KIDS PLAYING BASEBALL WITH THINGS FALLING ON THEIR HEADS AND CAN'T REPAIR IT FOR FIX IT. WE CAN'T JUST SPEND IT MONEY ON PET PROJECTS. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THE OTHER THING IS IT IS ALSO ABOUT SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPERS. SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP THAT WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER. AND THE SCHOOL THERE WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP THAT. THAT GETS BACK TO THE EDIFACE COMPLEX GEN AGAIN TOO. WE MEASURE SUCCESS ON SHINY BIG BUILDINGS. SOMEBODY WANTS A BUILDING BUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND MEASURE SUCCESS WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR PEOPLE AND IT IS NOT VERY GOOD. BY THE WAY, THE SURVEY THAT WAS PRESENTED THIS MORNING. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SURVEY EVERY YEAR I PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS ON. NOT A VALID STUDY IN REALLY LOOKING AT THE ATTITUDES OF OUR PEOPLE. THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER POLLS THAT LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF OUR COMMUNITY AND SURE, A POSITIVE ATTITUDE ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE -- A DISSATISFACTION OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF BASIC THINGS LIKE ROADS AND PARKS. WE CAN'T SPEND ON THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE WHEN WE CAN'T SPEND ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE. LAST ANALOGY, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR MEDICINE, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO BUY A NEW CAR OR NEW HOUSE. WE NEED TO FIX THE THINGS THAT ARE BASIC. THE MAJOR TALKED OF BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. IF WE ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WE CAN EITHER DO PAY GO. NOT 30-YEAR PAY GO. NOT THAT MUCH MONEY. SPLIT IT OVER FIVE OR TEN YEARS. DOESN'T MICK SENSE TO BOND IT. $25 PLUS IN INTEREST AND GOES UP TO BONDHOLDERS SOMEWHERE ELSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HEAR WHAT MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS ARE SAYING. BUT THEY ARE MISSING ONE IMPORTANT ELEMENT. AND ACTUALLY -- MAY BE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I WILL BE ECHOING THE EXACT SAME SEGMENT THAT THEY JUST SAID. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. ROUGHLY WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THAT ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE INVESTED A RETURN IS SOMETIMES FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WHAT WE INVEST AS RETURN ON INVESTMENT THROUGH TIF FUNDS. I LOOK AT THIS AS A -- NOT A ONE-TIME EXPENDITURE THAT WE WANT THIS WE HAVE TO PUT OUT THAT WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE AGAIN ONCE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE, WILL REVITALIZE AN AREA HISTORICALLY IGNORED. IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE A WALKABLE NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR. A BIKE AREA IN THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR. THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE HE IS THE THEMMICS FOR THESE DON'T HAVE THE SAME QUALITY OF LIFE THAT OUR MOST RECENTLY DEVELOPED AREAS HAVE. WE NEED TO START SPREADING -- SPREADING THE ENHANCEMENTS ACROSS ALL PARTS OF OUR CITY. AND THIS IS -- BE THIS IS ONE ELEMENT OF THAT. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE EXPERIENCED COST ESCALATION. THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN'T HELP THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS BOND INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP AND THE COST OF BORCHELLER ROWING IS HIGHER THAN WE WOULD LIKE SAW THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING, DENNIS, AND I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED OF THE INTEREST RATE YOU PROJECT ON THAT. A LITTLE BIT LOWER. A WHOLE POINT LOWER THAN WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE MAYBE WE WILL SEE MORE RELIEF. WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT BUT MAYBE WE WILL. I SPOKE WITH WEST TAMPA REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND BELIEVE IT IS TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. PASSIONATELY ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. VIK WILL TELL YOU I BEAT HIM UP ON THIS STUFF ALL DAY LONG. BUT I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT AREA TO ENHANCE OUR MIX MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. WOULD I LIKE LESS EXPENSIVE? OF COURSE, I WOULD. IS IT IN LINE WITH THE COST ESCALATIONS OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING ACROSS THE CITY? I DO. I ALSO DON'T THINK IT IS AN OVERLY AMBITIOUS PROJECT. THE CURRENT RIVERWALK HAS A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES. WE ARE NOT SEEING THAT. A STRIP-DOWN VERSION AND MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF RETURN. HOPEFULLY WHEN TIME GOES BY TO BRING IT UP TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT THE EAST SIDE WILL HAVE AND YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THINGS. PAVE OUR DAMN ROADS. DOING A GOOD JOB ON THE PIPES PROJECT. AND WE ARE -- PUBLIC FLOODING RELIEF. WE ARE DOING GOOD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA COMPARED TO OUR CO-WORKERS IN OUR OTHER CITIES. THEY SHOULD BE ENVIOUS OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS COSTING US MONEY AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT IS JUST -- IT IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME. WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS BUDGET AND SHIFT SOME MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE. AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND SOMETHING AND THE RIGHT MOVE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND SPREADING THE EQUITY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN EVERY CORNER THAT WE CAN DO. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WERE NEXT. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT IS FUNNY, I MEDIATE A LOT OF CASES IN CIRCUIT COURT, ONE OF MY STT STANDARD OPENING LINES FOR THE PARTY. I SAY THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE PLAQUE AND WHITE AND THAT IS TRUE SOMETIMES, BUT NONE OF LEGAL CASES, THERE ARE A LOT OF GRAY WHICH I ALWAYS SAY THAT. EACH SIDE HAS A GOOD POINT, ETC. ON THIS -- THERE IS SOME GRAY THERE. BUT I THINK THAT THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKING OF THE NEGATIVE AND OBJECTIVE VIEW OUTWEIGHS THE MOVE AT THIS TIME. I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT IN MY OPINION, THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD ON THIS -- ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES AS COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WISELY SAID, WILL LOOK AT THE AREA OF WEST TAMPA THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR FAR TOO LONG. I THOUGHT THAT WEST TAMPA AS WELL AS NORTH TAMPA ARE TWO AREAS GENERALLY NEGLECTED BY THE CITY AND WEST TAMPA AN AREA WITH TREMENDOUS HISTORY. OUR FRIENDS IN THE CRA WEATHER SAID WILL GO A LONG WAY OF HELPING WEST TAMPA AND SOME SAFETY ADVOCATES AND MOBILITY ACTIVITY ADVOCATES AND THEY SAY THIS IS A PROJECT THAT MOVES THINGS FORWARD FOR THIS ISSUE FOR WEST TAMPA. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK OUTWEIGH THE BAD AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THE BAD BECAUSE WE CAN'T IGNORE THE BAD. NO REASONABLE PERSON. $24 MILLION GRANT FOR THE WORK OF OUR CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB. $6 MILLION IN CIT. OUT OF THAT $27 MILLION, HOW MANY WERE WE EXPECTING TO GET IN CRA WITH OUR CONSENT IF THAT CAN BE OPINED ON. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. SO THE MEMO THAT I SENT THEIR CRA REQUESTING $10 MILLION. WE ARE WORK WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW TO GET ON THE CAC'S AGENDA. I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE CAC MEMBERS AS WELL, AND I WILL REFLECT THE POSITIVITY THAT YOU SHARED, CONGRESSMAN, WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL. AND -- AND I THINK BOTH YOU AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN KIND OF SUMMARIZED IT AS WELL. THERE ARE DOWN SIDES CERTAINLY LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIGNIFICANT UPSIDES TO SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MENTIONED QUALITY OF LIFE, SAFETY, ACCESS, EQUITY, ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW THAT THIS WORKS. JUST LOOKING AT THE EXISTING RIVERWALK WALK. AND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE WELL AFTER IT WAS BUILT SHOWING -- DEMONSTRATING ITS SUCCESS AS WELL AND WE ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE A VERY HIGH VALUE PROJECT. >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, AWANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM NOT WRONG WITH MY MATH BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LONG WEEK. IF WE GET $10 MILLION FROM CRA FUNDS AND CAN ASK FOR MORE. HE POE TENSION A LEGAL, $24 MILLION FROM THE FEDS, $6 MILLION FROM CIT. $10 MILLION FROM CRA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ALREADY THAT LEAVE BONDING AT ABOUT $17 MILLION? >>VIK BHIDE: SORRY. POTENTIAL PALLY WE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL POSITIVE NEWS FROM THE FEDERAL BUDGET AS WELL, AND THAT, AGAIN, ALREADY REDUCE THE BURDEN. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WE MENTIONED ON JUNE 20 THAT WE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS BOTH WITH THE STATE AND WASHINGTON WHERE GETTING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR HIGH VALUE PROJECTS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THAT EFFORT WITH THIS PROJECT. WE ARE GOING TO STAYTON. >> IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, PRESENTLY WOULDN'T ANY CRA MONEY, WITH THE $10 MILLION, WE CAN'T TAKE THAT GRANTED AND FEDERAL MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE BONDING OF THE BUILDING WILL BE 30% OF THE PROJECT BEING BONDED RIGHT NOW. MY MATH IS RIGHT, $17 MILLION. >> IN MY HEAD ABOUT RIGHT. >> $15 MILLION. >> YES. AND I AM SAYING THAT MONEY BOND. DZ 2 MILLION BONDED. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. IF I MAY. I AM SAYING THAT IS THE NUMBER WE START OFF AS BEING BONDED. BEFORE WE ARE TALKING OF INTEREST AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WISELY SAID. WE ARE TALK CAN OF 30% OF THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE BONDED RESULTING IN AN ADDITIONAL TRILLION. AND THAT COMES BEFORE ANY ADDITIONAL FEDERAL GRANTS. ANY ADDITIONAL FEDERAL OR STRIKE THAT, CRA DOLLARS, CORRECT. THAT COULD BE LOOKING AT BETTER DOLLARS. LONG STORY SHORT THERE ARE IS SOMETHING WHERE THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD. IS THERE BAD, OF COURSE, THERE IS. REAL SIGNIFICANT AIM PACT FOR OUR CITY IGNORED AREA WEST TAMPA. 70% OF THE DOLLARS COMING FROM C.I.T., THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, COMING FROM CRA. AGAIN, FUNDING MECHANISM IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH THE NEGATIVE. WORTH THE POSITIVE IMPACT WE WILL HAVE OUT OF IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, MIRANDA AND ME. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. JUST EVEN BASED ON OUR PRESENTATION, PRIOR FOR THIS AND EVEN TODAY REGARDING DEBT SERVICE, WE ARE IN GREAT SHAPE AND OUTSTANDING RATING. WHEN THE STAFF COMES TO US AND SAYS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BOND. PI AM LISTEN THAT FRO STANDPOINT LONG-TERM DEALT AND THE BENEFITS OF A PROBABLY LIKE THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE TO ME. WE ARE REBUILDING THE INNER CITY, FOR ME, THIS IS A STANDPOINT OF A OUTDOOR CITY ASSET NOT LIKE THE CITY MUSEUM, STWRAZ OR THE CONVENTION CENTER. THE COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO THIS AT NO CHARGE TO THEM. AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT COMMUNITIES WALK IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY AND ELEVATES THE CITY NOT JUST FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE GUESTS AND VISITORS WHO BRING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF THEIR DOLLARS IN SPENDING. WHEN THEY COME VISIT, THEY COME TO THE RIVERWALK. ONE OF THE DESTINATION THIS THEY GO TO THAT DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING BUT BENEFITS US BECAUSE LIVING IN OUR HOTELS, EATING OUR FOOD, ETC., ETC. I SEE IT AS THE LONG-TERM DEBT IS WORTH IT. AND CASTE CASTOR. APPRECIATE THAT. THE DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY AND THIS IS ONE OF THE INSTANCES WHERE I FEEL I CAN SUPPORT IT DESPITE SOME OPPOSITION. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR GRANTS. THAT IS IN OUR FAVE. I WILL STOP THE PROJECT. THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD. OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO HELP US PAY FOR SOME THINGS. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE AND HELP WITH US OTHER PROJECTS AND IT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY OF THE BENEFIT OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND HAVE ACCESS TO THIS. AND IT DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING IN TERMS OF MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET ON A REGULAR BASIS WHERE THEY ARE LOSING THE LUNCH MONEY FOR THE KIDS. IT IS NOT LIKE THAT. YES, OUR CHILDREN WILL HELP PAY FOR THIS PROJECT BUT DEFINITELY GOING TO BE WORTH IT BECAUSE AROUND FOR THEM TO ENJOY AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANKSGIVING DOESN'T COST ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR. BECAUSE IT IS WORTH NOTHING. LET'S GO BACK IN HISTORY. THE STRAZ. YOU KNOW THAT WAS TAKEN TO A PUBLIC VOTE, AND THE PUBLIC VOTED THIS DOWN. YET THE GOVERNOR HAD THE FORESIGHT AND START COLLECTING MONEY AND START BUILDING. WHAT WOULD DO YOU WITHOUT THE STRAZ DOWNTOWN OR WITHOUT THE IS HE CONVENTION CENTER THAT COST MONEY. IN THE MARRIOTT HOTEL THAT COSTS MONEY. WHAT WOULD YOU DO OF THE FEW THINGS SPURRED THE DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE WITH THE CITY THAT MAKE THE CITY AND WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. HERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FOR IT IN A WAY, AND NOW GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE, TO SEE SOME PROGRESS AND MAKE SURE THEY PROGRESS WITH THE -- SO WE LOOK AT THE CIT TAX AND GUESS WHAT, WE COLLECT 50% OF IT. DO WE GENERATE 15% OR MORE? I AM NOT GOING TO SAY. YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOUR ACCEPT. NOBODY IS BITCHING ABOUT THAT. I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSELF WHEN I SAY THAT. LET'S TALK OF THE PARKING AROUND THE STADIUMS. ALL OF IT IS GIVEN AWAY. NOBODY IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THAT FOR 30 YEARS, NOT A PENNY INCREASE. NOBODY IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS COMING UP NOW WHEN THIS VOTE COMES UP. WHAT THINGS HAPPEN TODAY IN ST. PETE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT -- APPROVED? >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK GOODNESS IT IS THEM. I AM SAYING THIS IS THE WRONG WAY OF ANYTHING. UP APPRECIATE THE NUMBERS THEY BROUGHT. I AGREE WITH IT. BUT ANOTHER SIDE OF THIS THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ABILITY OF LIFTING UP HOPE FROM SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE DIS-- LIVING IN AN AREA THAT I CAN WALK HERE AND DO THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU ARE HAPPY. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING AND YOU ARE NOT HAPPY, THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY DON'T HAVE MUCH. AND YET THIS IS COSTLY. BUT THIS WILL GIVE THAT FAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WALK INSTEAD OF DRIVING TO THE BEACH SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY NO GET TO AND WALK AND SHOW ALL THE BEAUTY AND GIVE SOMEBODY A SEDATIVE TO GIVE BETTER WHAT THEY ARE IN THEIR LIFE, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG KIDS WITH THEIR PARENTS. THIS HELPS EVERYONE AND BELIEVE ME, I TONIGHT LIKE TO PREACH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I WILL NOT BE VOTE FOR THIS IF I THOUGHT IT WAS CONCRETE AND RAIL AND FORGET IT, NOBODY WILL USE IT. IT IS -- IF I REMEMBER IT, PLEASE CORRECTLY, BECAUSE I MAKE MISTAKES MYSELF. I MADE A MISTAKE ONCE AND I WAS WRONG. BUT THE RIVER WALK IS THE NUMBER ONE RIVERWALK IN THE COUNTRY, I BELIEVE. >>VIK BHIDE: VOTED THAT RECENTLY BY ONE OF THE -- MIRANDA BHARZ I AM SAYING PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, AND YOU ARE GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK YOU WILL HAVE LOWER CRIME. PEOPLE SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF TYPING AN LOOKING AT A COMPUTER 24 -- 28 HOURS A DAY. IF YOU LOOK AT MEDICAL STUDIES NOW, EVEN THE SCIENTISTS SAY THREE HOURS A WEEK IS ENOUGH. BUT TO GO OUT AN WLAERN LIFE IS ABOUT, WOULD YOU HAVE HAPPIER PEOPLE. I KNOW HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IS MY PART OF IT. I CAN GO ON MORE AND MORE AND I AM NOT JUST GOING TO THROW OUT NEGATIVES. HELPS THE SOCIETY AROUND THE COURSE OF WHAT DO YOU. IF THE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA UNIVERSITY BECAME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT 30 YEARS 40 YEARS AGO AND HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING NEW, THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WILL BE GONE LONG AGO. HE DID SOMETHING. STARTED BUILDING AND GOT INDIVIDUALS TO BUY INTO HIS PLAN. AND IT WILL NOW BIGGER THAN PRINCETON AND WAKE FOREST IN ENROLLMENT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT HAS AN EXCELLENT EDUCATION SYSTEM. SO, I MEAN, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN HISTORY TODAY. IF COLUMBUS NEVER HAD THE MONEY TO GET ON THE SHIP, EUROPEAN WOULD HAVE BEEN REAL CROWDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS BECAUSE -- ON ALL SIDES. I AGREE. I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINTS. MY QUESTION IS -- FIRST A STATEMENT. I LIKE A GOOD DEAL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE. I HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT LUNCH. I DON'T HAVE CREDIT CARD DEBT. MY ONE CREDIT CARD OFFERED ME ZERO PERCENT INTEREST FOR SIX MONTHS. I MEAN FREE MONEY. FREE LAYAWAY FOR SIX MONTHS. AS LONG AS YOU PAY IT, YOU DON'T PAY INTEREST. MY QUESTION IS -- BECAUSE I SEE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY AT $6 MILLION HERE. AND I KNOW -- THERE IS MORE TO THIS. THE C.I.T. IS ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. BEFORE WE GO TO APPROVING OR VOTING FOR BONDING OUT, THE 26 -- 26.855 MILLION, DO WE HAVE TO -- OR COMING DOWN TOO 17 -- NOT TALKING OF CRA AND WHAT NOT. BEFORE WE GO TO FINANCING, CAN'T WE -- LET'S SAY WE APPROVE ITEM 115, WITH WE WAIT TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF BONDING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE C.I.T. TO SEAL IF WE GO A PAY-GO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BOND SOMETHING AND GIVING INTEREST TO THE BANK AND BE USE MORE CIT MONEY SHOULD IT GET RENEWED INSTEAD OF PAYING EXTRA AMOUNTS IN INTEREST TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL SOMETHING TO VOTE TO APPROVE 116 AND HOLD OFF APPROVING THE BONDING DEBT APPROVAL ANTICIPATED. LATE NOVEMBER IS THE ELECTION AND THAT WHAT HE IS WE KNOW. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND WE ASKED THAT OURSELF. OUR UNDERSTANDING IT IS FOR URGENCY. HERE FROM MR. BHIDE, WE ARE TRYING TO LET THE CONTRACT. WE CAN'T LET A CONTRACT UNLESS WE HAVE THE FUNDING APPROACH YAPTED. IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE ARE RELYING ON A SUCCESSFUL REFERENDUM IN NOVEMBER AND VERY GOOD OR BAD NEWS. WE CAN'T APPROPRIATE THAT FUNDING. AGAIN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT MR. BHIDE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY FROM THE VENDOR OR CONTRACT APPEAR CONTRACT, I HAVE A JAY SENT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION. >> HERE IS ANOTHER THING. WE APPROVE IT ALL TODAY, BUT THE CIT PASSES IN NOVEMBER. CAN WE LOOK AT THE CIT THEN AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S TRY PAY DOWN THIS -- THIS BOND THERE ARE ANTICIPATED BONDING TO SAVE YOURSELF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INTEREST. COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT. IF IT WAS DONE THIS WAY AND WASN'T BONDED IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION. GOING BACK TO MY CREDIT CARD, AT 0%. I HAVE ANOTHER CAR 2.9. REASONABLE, NOT 25% INTEREST. I WANT TO GET THE BEST DEAL FOR THE TAXPAYERS. AS MUCH AS WE CAN SAVE IN INTEREST. PUTTING THE MONEY THAT WE ARE BASICALLY GIVING TO THE BANKS. TUESDAY TO FIX ROADS AND FIX THE DUGOUTS AND THE PARKS. NOW I AM CITYWIDE. NOT JUST -- I WAS A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. YOU GO SOUTH OF GANDY, SOUTH BUSH, UP TO ALASKA, DISTRICT 7. THE CITY HAS A LOT OF NEEDS OF. AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, THERE IS A LOT OF -- A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. I HATE GIVING MONEY AWAY TO THE BANK. JUST ENRICHING THE WEALTHY INSTEAD OF SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY WE WOULD BE ANTICIPATING SPERNDING WE CAN BE PAVE SOME MORE ROADS WITH IT AND SIDEWALKS WITH IT. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU CAN INDULGE ME AND GIVE ME THE HE WILL MOVE TO PUT IT ON SCREEN OPINION WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR BRIEFS AND INTERNALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE AS YOU SEE HERE, BIG QUESTION MARK. COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL. FURTHER TO YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS ABOUT $88 MILLION UNTIL PARKS AND RECOGNIZE OPERATION SFILT THAT PATH TAKES EFFECT. $3 MILLION OR $4 MILLION THAT CONGRESSWOMAN CASTOR IS TRYING TO OBTAIN FOR US. $150 MILLION OR SOME AMOUNT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME FROM WEST COMPANY. FUTURE, LOCAL AND STATE OPPORTUNITIES THAT PLAN BHIDE SAID. WHATEVER THIS NUMBER IS TO BE, WE WILL NOT FINANCE BECAUSE NO NECESSITY FOR FINANCING. BUT WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATE IT -- WE HAVE -- MY UNDERSTANDING FROM A LOGISTICAL AND PERFORMANCE ST. PATRICK, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY. THE SHORT ANSWER COME TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION APPROPRIATING A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE FOR PART OF THIS. BY THE TIME THE NONAD VALOREM BOND COMES TO COUNCIL, WE WILL SEE THAT PORTION REMOVED. WE JUST CAN'T COUNT CONTINUE TO RIGHT NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MURPHY MENTIONED HOW MUCH MONEY, ASKED OR TAKEN FROM THE WEST TAMPA CRA. THEY HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND TAKING THIS MUCH AWAY FROM TH THEM. DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE EXISTING RIVERWALK BY BRIDGE, THE FORTUNE TELLER BRIDGE. CAN WE WALK OUT OF HERE AND GO TO THE KENNEDY SEGMENT, GO NORTH A CONTINUED ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO THE NEXT RIVER SPAN. WOULD IT BE A CONTINUOUS CONNECTION? >>VIK BHIDE: AS CONCEIVED RECEIPT NOW AS THE DESIGN. ALL THE UNDERBRIDGE SEGMENTS OF THE RIVER WALK PROVIDE EXCEPTION FOR THE BRIDGE ITSELF. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND NEW U.T. WHERE THERE IS ACCESS AND POTENTIAL SEGMENT TO THE DOLEOR. >> YOU AND I TOOK BITE. FROM KENNEDY, CROSS KENNEDY TO TAMPA TO THE NEW SPAN OF THE RIVER WALK, CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> THE EXISTING RIVER WALK TO THE WEST RIVERWALK. THE POINT I AM MAKING, REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE QUEST TAMPA CRA, ONE POCKET OF MONEY AND TOUCHES THE DOWNTOWN CRA AND GO INTO THE TAMPA HEIGHTS AMATEUR SEGMENT. CAN WE TAKE RUN IN THAT SEGMENT SINCE IT IS PART OF THE LARGER PUZZLE INSTEAD OF BURDENING WEST TAMPA WITH SO MUCH MONEY. WEST TAMPA AND DOWNTOWN CRA HAS MORE MONEY. CAN WE DO THAT? ARE WE ALLOWED TO. >>VIK BHIDE: TOUCHES ONE CRA BOUNDARY. WEST TAMPA CRA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WEST TAMPA AN EAST TAMPA. BALLS IT TOUCHES.WEST TAMPA CRA, WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH BUCKET OF MONEY. >> CORRECT. THE CRAs ARE NOT THE ONLY WAY TO AUGMENT CURRENT FUNDING. TO -- TO THE POINT MAILED EARLIER. WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW NEEDS TO BE LOCKED IN AS A FULL AMOUNT SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE CONTRACT AND AVAILABILITY OF THE GRANT. OUR JOURNEY TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING DOES NOT END OUT THERE. WE ARE ALREADY IN PROCESS AND WILL LOOK BEYOND THE CRAs AS W WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE FINAL QUESTION. ARE WE WAY TO VIEW THE ADMINISTRATION TO COMMIT TO -- SHOULD THE CIT BE RENEWED IN NOVEMBER. $88 MILLION OVER THE LIFE OF THE CRT REMOVAL THAT WE LOOK AT EARMARKING $10 MILLION, $15 MILLION, $20 MILLION OF THAT NOT TO BOND EVERYTHING. I AM TRYING TO BRAINSTORM DIFFERENT AREAS TO LOOK AT -- UNDERSTOOD. WE CAN MAKE COMMITMENT WITH ONE MAJOR CAVEAT. SHOULD THIS FUNDING STREAM BE SUCCESSFULLY APPROVED, NOT AVAILABLE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WILL DEPEND ON THE NEED TO SPEND MONEY BASED ON PROJECT SCHEDULE. COST OF THAT ETC. EVERYBODY'S EYES WIDE OPEN. WE ARE CONSTRAINED WITH IN FUND ALSO TAKE PLACE. A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE LAST QUESTION. YOU BOND SOMETHING, A 30 YEARS, 150 YEARS, FIVE-YEAR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: 30 YEARS IS BEST PRACTICE AND HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST SUFFICIENT ESPECIALLY FOR A SIGNIFICANT PROCESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A PENALTY IF WE PAY OFF THOSE BONDS EARLY? >> A VERY GOOD QUESTION. TYPICALLY BECAUSE INVESTORS HAVING MONEY FOR. AND TYPICALLY THEY WILL WANT A TEN-YEAR PERIOD WHERE YOU CAN NOT CALL THE BONDS. THEY WANT TO GET THEIR INVESTMENT AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE IT GOES ON THE MA MARKET. >> THE VERY BEST IF WE SAY AFTER YEAR 10, WE HAVE THE MONEY. CI TSUCCESSFUL. WE CAN PAY OFF THAT YOU BOND EARLIER THAN THE 30 YEARS. THERE IS A TEN-YEAR CAVEAT AND, THEREFORE, SAVING US WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH INTEREST. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN REFINANCE AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. AND TYPICALLY A DECADE WHERE THEY WANT IT UNTOUCHED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AT LEAST A TEN-YEAR COMMITMENT. TYPICALLY WE DON'T KNOW THE TERMS YET, BUT OPPORTUNITIES SAVE MORE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT PRIVATELY, BUT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED ON YOUR CONCERNS. YOU ARE MISSING THAT VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE AMOUNT OF TIF WE ARE GOING TO GET OUT OF THE INVESTMENT. NOT ONE-WAY MONEY. WE ARE GOING TO INVEST THIS MONEY AND THEN GET A RETURN ON TE VECHT THROUGH INCREASE TAX REVENUES ALONG THE AREA. PART OF WHERE YOU ARE CONCERNED. NOT JUST RUNAWAY MONEY. INVESTMENT THAT WILL HAVE A RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT AND I IMAGINE BE THE TIME WE GET TO THE TEN-YEAR PARK. I KNOW THERE IS STATISTICS ON THAT. FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS INVESTED IN THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT IS THE EXPECTED RATE OF RETURN ON THIS? >>VIK BHIDE: FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW. ACROSS THE SITE OF THE RIVER, THE CURRENT RIVER WALK. A REPORT BY THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP YEARS AFTER THE RIVERWALK WAS BUILT. ESTIMATED OVER $1 BILLION OF RETURN FOR INVESTMENT. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT THAT PROVIDES RETURN AND AN INVESTMENT IN MULTIMODALITY. QUALITY OF LIFE AND SAFETY. YES, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. THIS ADDS TO THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND A VERY SELECTIVE AND THE ELEMENT SAFETY, EQUITY, AFFORDABILITY. AND AFFORDABILITY IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THAT IS THE SECOND LARGEST LINE ITEMS IN THE MEDIAN HOUSE HOLD BUDGET AFTER HOUSING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THINK OF THAT. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO TAMPA, CHANNELSIDE AND WATER STREET WERE WAREHOUSES AN ADULT BOOK STORES. AND GRANDPARENT A LOT OF TAX MONEY ON THAT. BUT WE HAD PEOPLE FOR US -- MAYOR SANDY FREEMAN. AND FORMER GOVERNOR OF THE MAYOR THEIR WILL REMAIN NAMELESS -- I KNOW BUT I DON'T SPEAK HIS NAME BECAUSE -- BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE INVESTMENT. THE IDEAS. WE HAVE THE AQUARIUM. WE HAVE THE STREET CAR. A ALL. AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF -- TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE AQUARIUM WAS STILL THE IDEA AT THE TIME. AND NOT A WATER STREET. NOT A CHANNELSIDE OR ANYTHING OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT THAT INVESTMENT. WE ARE TALKING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE TAXES THAT WE ARE RECEIVING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WITH DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE AND SOON TO BE GASWORX AND YBOR CITY. AND JUST A CRAZY AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT IS A $2 BILLION BUDGET OPPOSED TO $6 MILLION BUDGET BACK THEN. THIS IS MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE -- IT'S -- IT IS AN INVESTMENT. WE ARE GOING TO GET A RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT AND MANY -- IT WILL BE A POSITIVE RETURN FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CARLSON. QUICKLY. I ALWAYS ASK THESE QUESTIONS THE PROMO CODE, EXTRA 150%, FREE SHIPPING. I KNOW DO YOU THAT, BUT I AM TRYING TO THINK OF WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE SO WE ARE NOT GIVING MONEY TO THE BANK. IN THE INTEREST OF GOOD USE. I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE THE BEST FINANCIAL DECISION. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THAT IS SORT OF THE REPORT HERE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT VOTING ON -- THIS IS A HOPE. WHAT IS ON THIS PAPER A HOPE FOR THE $13 MILLION NOT A GUARANTEE. WE ARE VOTING LITERALLY WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US NOW. WE CAN PUT EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF US AND SAY WE HOPE WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US NOW. THE BIG, BIG ELEPHANT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND MAJOR CASTOR COMMENTED ON IT A LITTLE BIT IS C.I.T. C.I.T. WILL DO EVERYTHING. WE WILL BE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR BECAUSE AS PLEASE ROGERO SHOWED, WE LOOKED AT THE CIP, HE HAD THIS -- HE HAD ALL THE FIRE STATIONS AND HE HAD THEM BOX IN THE GREEN. HE SAID THAT DEPENDS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CIT. GUESS WHAT, CIT DOESN'T PASS, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THOSE STATIONS AND WE WILL HAVE TO BOND. I WANT TO SAVE THAT BONDING ROOM IN CASE. AND I WISH COULD I SAY WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO PASS, BUT WITH -- I SAW YESTERDAY, A MILLION MORE REPUBLICANS OPPOSED TO DEMOCRATS NOW REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF FLO FLORIDA. THOSE BOOKS ARE CONSERVATIVE. THEY DON'T WANT TAXES. SCHICK GOING THAT WAY. IF THE VOTE GOES THE WAY OF THE COMMISSION. WE ARE NOT GETTING THAT MONEY. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND TO ME IT IS NOT CONSERVATIVE AND WE HAVE A GREAT. I AM REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE HAVE IN OUR BONDING CAPABILITY BUT THE CHANCE OF US HAVING TO BOND ALL OF THOSE FIRE STATIONS AND ALL THESE OTHER NEEDS REALLY CONCERNS ME. I AM CONCERNED OF THE CONVERSATION ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT. RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO SOME PEOPLE CAN MEAN MONEY. BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WILL WANT TO LOOK AT THE RUN ON INVESTMENT. WHY NOT BONDING THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR PARKS. WHY ARE WE BONDING ALL THE FIRE STATIONS RIGHT NOW. WHY AREN'T WE BONDING TO FINISH PAV PAVING TO ME THE RETURN ON INVESTMENTS THAT MAKE OUR CITIZENS BETTER FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST THIS PORTION. IF WE ARE GOING TO BOND AND TALK OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WE SHOULD BE BONDING FOR PARKS, FIRE STATIONS AND PAVING IN THIS BU BUDGET. [ INAUDIBLE ] NO IT'S NOT. I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MEN HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STORY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: WEST TAMPA CRA DOES NOT TOUCH THIS ENTIRE PROJECT -- THE WEST TAMPA CRA DOES NOT TOUCH ALL OF THE BOUNDARIES. WHAT WE KNOW OF THE CR ATHAT MONEY MUST BE BE USED IN THE BOUNDARY AND MUST BE VERY CAREFULLY PORTIONED OUT. SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING ON THAT. SO FOR ME, I KNOW THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD, BUT I -- I HOPE I HEAR THAT WHEN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT 50 MILLION WE WANTED TO BOND FOR HOUSING. WE GOT THE FROM I AM HOPE TOO HERE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION LATER. IF WE CAN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION INFORM BONDING FOR HOUSE SWIG A TRUE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE JUST SAID. FIRST I WANT TO MENTION THAT, MR. BHIDE TALKED OF A REPORT FROM THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I SAW THAT ONE OR NOT BUT ONE OF THE REASONS I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOLS, HOLES IN IMPACT NUMBERS AND NOT A SINGLE ONE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SHOOT NOELS. IF SOMEBODY IS SAYING A BILLION DOLLARS IN EVEN ECONOMIC IMPACT AND TAX. THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. I HIRE TEAM OF ECONOMISTS AND SAID THIS IS FALSE. AFTER-THOUGHT JUST IF I OCCASION. DOWNTOWN -- IF YOU WANT TO SAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP. YES, I AGREE WITH THAT AND BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. YES, OTHER THINGS CONTRIBUTED TO DOWNTOWN ROAR BUT NOT THE RIVERWALK ON ITS OWN DID NOT. A FEW THINGS THAT POPPED IN. MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE CREDIT TO FOUR GREEN FIELDS FOR BEING THERE. BESIDE THAT, VERY LITTLE THAT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE ON THE WATER. DEVELOPERS WANT TO DEVELOP ON THE WATER. I HOPE THAT WE STOP USING THOSE NUMBERS COMPLETELY. IF YOU LOOK AT ROI. IF YOU TAKE THE SPV INVESTMENT, $100 MILLION FROM THE C RSHGS ASCRA. YOU COULD YOU SAY A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THAT INVESTMENT AND THE AD VALOREM TAXES. I LIKE KIND OF ANALYSIS. I THINK THAT SAY PROP YACHT FOR LOOKING FOR GOVERNMENT USE AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT ARGUMENT AND SAYS IT FOR A DEVELOPMENT. BUILDING A RIVERWALK. SVP DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. OTHER DEVELOPMENTS DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK. TALK OF ROE FOR THIS. WHAT IS THE EMPTY SFLAS. WHERE IS SOMEBODY GOING TO DEVELOP. ONE OF THE BIG SPACE IS BLAKE DISCUSSED BEHIND THE SCENES BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. I REMEMBER WHEN BLAKE WAS MOVED 30 YEARS AGO. VERY CONTROVERSIAL. COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO BLANK DIDN'T WANT MOVED. COMPETITION FROM BLAKE, AND WAS TRYING TO SELL IT TO BUILD 20, 30 STORY CONDOS THERE. IF YOU BUILD THIS. AND THEN SOMEBODY BUILDS A 30-STORY CONDO. YOU COULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW NO DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE UNLIKE THE REST OF DOWNTOWN, BUT STILL WHY WOULD THAT BE YOUR GOAL IF THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PLACES AN AREAS YOU CAN DEVELOP IN THIS CITY. IF YOU TOOK IN MONEY AND INVEST IT IN WEST TAMPA, YOU CAN DO SO MANY MORE THINGS. REALLY THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHOICE HAS IN WE ARE LOOKING AT. ONE IS HOW MUCH DEBT. A LONG DISCUSSION THAT CHAIR MANISCALCO WAS TALKING ABOUT. HOW TO REDUCE THE DEBT AND WILL SAVE YOU 25 MILLION. AND WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF THE $58 MILLION THAT TAXPAYERS IN COMPANY WILL PUT INTO THIS. WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF THE THINGS PEOPLE COULD COME. WHERE ELSE COULD WE SPEND THAT MONEY. SXHUPT TELLING US LOUD AND CLEAR FIX OUR ROADS AND PARKS WALK EMERGENCY BIKE COMPANY WAS HERE SUPPORTING US TODAY, BUT IF WE GAVE THEM A CHOICE AND SPEND $58 UNTIL ON SIDEWALKS. FIX MOST OF THE SIDEWALK PROBLEMS IN THE CITY AND BUILD CROSSWALKS TO MAKE IT SAFER WHERE WE CAN BUILD BIKE LANES THROUGHOUT THE CITY FROM A RO, THAT IS MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL THAN BUILDING ONE SMALL PROJECT. I AM IN FAVOR OF BUILDING ARREST TRIFRWALK AND THE COST OF DEBT IS HIGH. THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF NEGLECTING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVESTING IN IS VERY DIFFICULT. THE LAST THING IS THAT WE -- LET ME SAY THIS. WE TALK OF DIFFER WAYS TO PAY THIS OFF. ALL THAT IS IN THE FUTURE. I CAN'T IMAGINE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS ALREADY APPROVAL FOR BONDING CAPACITY WILL SUDDENLY CANCEL THAT AND USE THAT CAPACITY ON SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T THINK IT WILL EVER GET PAID OFF. NOT A PRUDENT POLITICAL OR ECONOMIC DECISION. SOME WE ARE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THIS DEBT INTO THE FUTURE AND WHATEVER NEW REVENUES WILL BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. LAST THING IS, ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT FOLKS GAVE OF OTHER GREAT PROJECTS THAT THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION ALREADY HAS SEVERAL TROPHY PROJECTS THAT THEY SPENT MONEY ON. 200 MILLION. 220 MILLION OFFICE BUILDING IF YOU INCLUDE EVERYTHING. $ 00 MILLION PARK AND $80 MILLION TO $100 MILLION RIVER WALK. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS ENOUGH TO PUT IN YOUR VIDEO FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY NOW. SO MANY ON ETC. OWN A GREAT ANYTHING AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT SO MANY BASICS THINGS WE NEED THAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON. DON'T HAVE AUTISM AREAS OAR DISABILITY AMENITIES IN PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THINK OF THE THINGS WE CAN SPEND THIS MONEY ON. NOT A GOOD TIME TO DO IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WERE YOU FIRST? OR CAN I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT MR. ROCKS,GERO TO RESPOND WITH THE BUDGET. WITH THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING THAT WE ARE NOT FORGETTING HOUSING, ROADS AND HOUSING WITH OUR PARKS. THEY ARE PART OF OUR BUDGET. NOT LIKE WE ARE DOING THIS PROJECT AND IGNORING EVERYTHING E ELSE. IF -- LET'S TAKE EVEN SIDEWALKS, FOR EXAMPLE. EVEN IF WE BONDED SIDEWALKS. CAN WE DO IT FASTER? WILL STILL TAKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME TO BUILD OUT THE SIDEWALKS WE NEED TO FINISH THE PIPES PROJECT WILL TAKE US YEARS. AND SO WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE CONSTANTLY -- OR AT LEAST I DO. WE CAN'T FIX THE ROAD UNLESS WE FIX THE PIPES. MAKES SENSE TO FIX THE PIPES. WE FIX THE ROAD, WE WILL HAVE TO TEAR UP THE ROAD TO FIX THE PIPES. CAN CONSTANTLY EXPLAINING THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC WHO IS LISTENING TO TODAY THINK THAT WE ARE IGNORING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR WEST RIVER MULTIMODAL -- PLEASE OBJECT OUR BUDGET AS IT RELATES TO OTHER THINGS WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO SUPPORT THE -- THE GROWTH OF TAMPA AND AND -- WHAT WAS THIS -- WHAT WAS THE WORD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHAT DID YOU USE, WHAT DID YOU CALL THIS, A TROPHY PROJECT? THAT IS -- I BELIEVE THAT IS A CLEAR EXAGGERATION OF THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS JUST UNFAIR TO CALL IT TROPHY. THAT IS HOW FAMILIES LIKE MYSELF AS SINGLE PARENT. I HAD TO MAKE MY CHILD OUTSIDE FOR FREE TO HAVE FUN. DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A THROW KNEE PROJECT, LOOK AT IT AS AN OUTDOOR BEAUTIFUL HEALTH SPACE THAT GIVES EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE IN IT, NOT ONLY THE TAMPA COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO OUR VISITORS. SO MS. ADDRESS THE BUDGET FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. >>VIK BHIDE: COUNCILWOMAN, GREAT POINT ON HAVING VARIOUS NEEDS. AND WE HAVE TO BALANCE ALL NEEDS AND INVEST IN ALL OF THEM. I WILL SPEAK TO TRANSPORTATION INITIALLY AND I WILL TOUCH ON STORMWATER AS WELL, BUT BY NO MEANS ARE WE IGNORING OUR NEEDS OUT THERE. OUR NEEDS ARE VAST. THE PLAN DOES IDENTIFY $2 BILLION OF NEEDS AS OF 2022. ESTIMATE. AND SO THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT CERTAINLY, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, A FEW ITEMS FROM NOW I WILL BE PROVIDING A AN UPDATE ON OUR PAVING AND SIDEWALK WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE. AND THERE IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ON HOW WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY RAMPED UP BOTH. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT REPORT. ON THE NEED FOR CROSSWALKS AND BIKE LANES AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ALSO NEED ODD THIS REDUCE TRANSPORTATION COSTS AND IMPROVE AFFORDABILITY. SIMILAR TO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE THE SAFE STREET, AN THANKS TO COUNCIL, YOU APPROVED THAT GRANT WAS $20 MILLION. WE HAD $6 MILLION MATCH TO THAT GRANT. 75 BUFFER OF THOSE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT IN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES WITH HIGH CHILDHOOD POVERTY. COMMUNITIES WITH LOWER ACCESS RELATIVE TO CAR OWNERSHIP. MORE TRANSIT DEPENDENCY. SO THAT IS ALSO PART OF THIS STRATEGY. AND ALL OF THIS COMES TOGETHER AND?THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS ALONG WITH THE WEST RIVER WALK, SEE A LOT OF THE INVESTMENT MADE AND NOT IGNORED. WHAT WE DO HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN LEARN TO REFUSE OUR COSTS. SO WE ARE ALREADY BEING FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE BY BRINGING IN THESE GRANDS AND, YES, COSTS HAVE GONE UP. THE OPPORTUNITY IS IT IS NOT RIGHT THERE WAS HE SPEAK. AND IT IS A LONG-TERM PROGRESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. LET ME IS THAT $3 BILLION FROM CONGRESSWOMAN CASTOR HAS BEEN REQUESTED? >>VIK BHIDE: ASKED AN AS EARMARK. NOT APPROVED YET. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE A LESSER AMOUNT OR HIGHER AMOUNT. >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY. WHEN DID WE APPROVE THE $10 MILLION RESPECTIVELY AS CRA. DOES ANYBODY KNOW? SEPTEMBER? OKAY, COMING UP. GOOD LET ME ASK YOU -- BY THE WAY MY POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO WEST TAMPA CRA. NUMBER ONE, IT APPEARS -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE BOARD SUPPORTS THIS? >>VIK BHIDE: DON'T KNOW THAT. ULTIMATELY THE PROCESS IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT MAKES A REQUEST TO STAFF. AND THAT IS FOR THE -- FOR THE JUNE 13 PROCESS THAT THIS BOARD AS CRA BOARD APPROVED THAT THE PRIMARY DEPARTMENT WORKS WITH CRA STAFF. THE CRA STAFF SCHEDULES A PRESENTATION WITH THE CAC. AND THE COMMUNITY WILL CONSIDER THIS. AND ABSOLUTELY, WE WILL PRESENT WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE DIRECTLY TO WEST TAMPA RELATIVE TO THE REQUEST. THIS WAS ASKED FOR BY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. THE PRESENTATION WILL DO THAT. AND DEPEND BE ON HOW THE COMMUNITY VOTES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT WILL THEN COME TO YOU ARE AS THE CRA BOARD FOR APPROVAL AND DENIAL. >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD THINK UP HERE WE HAVE THE VOTES NOR CRA FUNDING FOR THIS INITIATIVE, UP TO $10 MILLION. AND, FEBRUARY, LIKE I SAID, WAYS TO MR. MONDAY THE NEGATIVE ON THIS BY MAKING IT BETTER AND I THINK THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD. MAY GOT TOP OF THE $3 MILLION. AND WHY EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT, YEAH, AND AGAIN, WE HAD A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS IN BOTH THE CRA AND THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL. SOME THAT MAYBE SOME PEOPLE SAY I WISHED I WOULD HAVE REQUESTED SOME QUESTIONS. AS A COUNCIL, WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES. I WON'T GET SPECIFIC PROBLEMS BUT SOME WHERE -- SOME THAT I THINK WE ALL FEEL THIS, I WISHED WE ASKED MORE QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD. MOST PROJECTS ARE SOMETHING GOOD. BIGGER PROJECTS THAT I VOTED AGAINST AND CRA TO ANOTHER $20 MILLION TO THE MUSEUM OF ART. ANOTHER 20,000 TO THE STRAZ CENTER. A TON OF GOOD THERE. IN MY OPINION LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN USE THE DOLLARS FOR IN DOWNTOWN CRA, BAD OUTWEIGHED THE GOOD. IS THERE GOOD THERE, ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IGNORE THAT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MANY IGLOOS FOR ALASKA? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE -- NO MOTION TO CLOSE. A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 115. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE ITEM 117. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIEDED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES? >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. -- OR COUNCILMAN VIERA BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT -- WHAT WE LEARN FROM DIFFERENT PROJECTS. AND FOR ME WHAT W WE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHAT I AM ASKING FOR -- I MAKE A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE ALL THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DIR CIPHER WHAT WENT WRONG. AGAIN, I AM NOT PUTTING ANY BLAME ANYWHERE WE ALL NEED TO LEARN OF THIS. IF WE CAN GET THE COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN YOU AND THE DEPARTMENT. ABOUT HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE FOR TO YOU GET TO US? >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD SAY A COUPLE OF WEEKS, IF THAT WORKS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO MEAL THAT TO US BY AUGUST 1. >>VIK BHIDE: MAY I REQUEST IF THAT IS A MOTION, BY ALL MEANS WE WILL SEND ALL OF THAT -- BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, OF COURSE. YOU MENTIONED THE QUESTION WHAT WENT WRONG. AND I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WENT WRONG ALL I THINK IS PRICES INCREASE OVER TIME WHICH RAISE THE COST OF THE PROJECT SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO THAT. THE QUESTION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US WHICH IS VOTED ON NOW. EVEN AT THIS COST? PROJECT VALUABLE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE RETURNS TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND STAFF'S POSITION IN THAT IS, BECAUSE IT HITS UPON SO MANY AREAS OF THE CITY'S NEED. THESE AREN'T WANTS NECESSARILY. BUT MY POSITION IS GETTING A GRANT FROM FOUR YEARS AGO TO FINALIZING THIS NOW. SO TO ME THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WENT WRONG BECAUSE FOUR YEARS TO GET HERE. IF WE WERE ACTUALLY DONE TO DO WHAT WE DO IN 2020, MAYBE WE WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT SPOT. THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. I DON'T WANT TO PONTIFICATE ON WHAT TYPE OF THINGS HAPPENED, SO I AM ASKING FOR THE COMMUNICATION SO WE CAN LEARN FROM IT, SO AS COUNCIL, WE CAN FIGURE OUT, HEY, WE GOT A GRANT FOR THE SEAWALL IN PALMETTO BE BEACH. YEAH, THERE IS. THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN LET THAT GO FOR FOUR YEARS. SORRY, MR. SHELBY. DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ME? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU REPHRASE AND REFRAME YOUR MOTION TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AS TO THE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS, PERIOD OF TIME AND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR RATHER THAN CHARACTER STGISTIC OF IT. IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS. A DOCUMENTATION FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE GRANT PROJECTS WHICH I AM GUESSING 2019 TO 2024. BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THIS -- AND THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA. THEN FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT SPOKE PERTAINING TO THE WEST RIVER WALK GARAGE PROJECT. THIS PARTICULAR GRANT WHICH IS WITH THE TAMPA MULTINODAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. WHATEVER NAME THAT YOU WENT IN BY THE GRANT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO LOOK AT THINGS IN THE FUTURE, ETC. NUMBER ONE, THE WAY IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF SOMETHING GOING WRONG. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND POSTHUMOUSLY ON THE ISSUES. I WOULD BE I MEANABLE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL'S REQUEST RATHER THAN COMING FROM COUNCIL WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE MOST PRODUCTIVE THING. I THINK AN INDIVIDUAL REQUEST COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING. AND I DON'T WANT TO TURN WHAT IS A WIN IN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS TO SOMETHING THAT COULD RESULT IN SCRUTINY FROM US TO THEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND. ROLL CALL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY LIGHT IS ON FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. I WAS KIND OF THROWN OFF BY THE VERBIAGE WHAT WENT WRONG IF IT IS JUST ASKING FOR COMMUNICATION. WE ARE ENTITLED TO THAT AS PUBLIC RECORD AND I CAN SUPPORT THAT. AND SHE DID MODIFY THAT REQUEST TO TAKE OUT THAT VERBIAGE TO SAY, JUST ASKING FOR THE COMMUNICATION. COMPARING IT TO WHAT HAPPENED IN PALMETTO BEACH, OUR GOVERNOR DID SLASH SLASH THE BUDGET AND TAKE AWAY THE $1 MILLION APPROPRIATED AT THE LAST MINUTE FOR THE SEAWALL AND KATHY CASTOR GAVE US A MILLION AND I HAD SAID NO IN A LITTLE BIT OF AN COURT WHERE BURST. BUT I CAN SUPPORT HER ASKING FOR DOCUMENTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR YOU, THE $24 MILLION GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: RIGHT, YEAH, YEAH. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT THE MILLION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: BUT YOU USED THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, SORRY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANTED TO CLARIFY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CURFEW. SECOND FROM CARLSON. >>LUIS VIERA: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. CLERK MOTION CARRIES WITH. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 117. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES -- >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, YES, APOL APOLOGIZE. >>VIK BHIDE: 117 IS NOT RELATED. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORE RADIO HE, YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ITEM NUMBER 118 RECEIVE AND FILE, COUNCILMAN VIERA? NEW BUSINESS. OKAY, NOTION RECEIVE AND FILE 118. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDS FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. MR. BHIDE, ITEM 119. YOU ARE TO PROVIDE A FIVE-MINUTE QUARTERLY UPDATE AS TO WHEN HABANA AVENUE, SOUTH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. WILL BE REPAIRED. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO I GET? YEAH, BAN IS TERRI HABANA IS TERRIBLE. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. SOUTH OF HABANA IS PRETTY BAD. I WILL THROW THAT OUT THERE. >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR MOBILITY ON 119. COUNCIL REQUESTED A FIVE-MINUTE QUARTERLY UPDATE ON PAVING AND SIDEWALK ACTIVITIES. FOR THE RECORD, THE REQUEST FOR HABANA IS NOTED AND I WILL PASS IT ALONG TO OUR TEAM. OUR CRITERIA, OF COURSE, WITH IS PAVEMENT CONDITION AND EQUITY FOR OUR IN-HOUSE PAVING PROCESS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN OUR OPERATIONS TEAM. TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN ADAPTING TWO ADDITIONAL RESOURCES BUT ALSO IN THE SHORT TIME FRAME TURNING OUT SIGNIFICANT PRODUCTION I HAD STATISTICS RELATED TO THAT. OUR TEAM LEAD IS BRIAN ROGER, OUR OPERATIONS MANAGER SUPPORTED BY MIKE BROWN AND JERRELL TURNER AND THEIR TEAMS THAT DO A LOT OF THE WORK. I HAVE A DIAGRAM HERE WHICH BASICALLY SHOWS IN FY '24 AFTER COUNCIL APPROVED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT IN RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR PEACHING, WE -- WE WERE APPROVED CERTAIN POSITIONS AND CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO PURCHASE EQUIPMENT. SO BEFORE WE COULD EVEN DO THAT WE STARTED MENTIONING EQUIPMENT. AND THE FIRST QUARTER, OF COURSE, OUR PRODUCTION WAS LESSER. WE DID ABOUT SIX LANE MILES. THAT IS ALSO WHEN THE SAME TEAM ALSO SUPPORTS A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS. SO THERE IS THAT. BY THE SECOND QUARTER THAT WENT UP TO ALMOST 10 MILES. AND BY THE THIRD QUARTER. APRIL THROUGH JUNE, WE HAVE SEEN 17 MILES OF PAVING. WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AN WE ARE LEARNING BETTER AS WELL. THE OPERATIONS TEAM WORK VERY WELL WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM ON THE STORMWATER SITE, THEY MEET BEFORE PROJECTS TO THINK OF POOLING AND PONDING ISSUES AND THING LIKE THAT. AND THEY WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING FOLKS AND OUR VISION ZERO ENGINEER TO REDESIGN, ESPECIALLY COLLECTORS SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, THE TEAM IS AROUND THE HOWARD AND SWANN AREA. BETWEEN SWANN AND KENNEDY. WE PICKED THAT AREA PARTLY BECAUSE OF PAVEMENT CONDITION BUT ALSO TO MATCH THE COUNTY'S PROJECT IN HOWARD AND ARMENIA. WE HAVE MORE FOR RETURN ON INVESTMENT STANDPOINT SO ON HOWARD AS PART OF THAT, WE WILL HAVE A PIPELINE AND ADD SIGNIFICANT LEE MORE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AS A TRAFFIC CALMING STRATEGY AND A WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE MOVER OF IT THAT WE USE FOR MULTIMODAL ASSETS, THE LOWER WE EXPECT SPEEDS TO BE AS WELL SO THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE. WE HAVE DONE ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SHOWN OUT HERE WHERE WE GOT STARTED IN YBOR CITY. RIGHT NOW THE TEAM, OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED OF HOWARD AND FOR THE CITY. AND OUR NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE SULPHUR SPRINGS. WE WILL BE IN THE YUKON AND 22nd STREET AREA AFTER WE ARE DONE WITH HOWARD AVENUE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD EAST OF THERE. WHEN WE WILL COME BACK TO ARMENIA. THE REASON WE ARE DOING THAT IS WANT TO SPREAD THE WORK AROUND SO THE BENEFITS GO EVERYONE. AND ARMENIA WILL BE REDESIGNED AND THE ENGINEERING TEAM IS WORKING IN THE MEANTIME. WE ARE REALLY RAMPING UP THE WORK THAT WE DO. AND WE -- AND WE ANTICIPATE OUR NEW PAVER, WHICH THE DELIVERY WAS DELAYED UNFORTUNATELY TO COME IN WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. SO RELATIVE TO THE LAST UPDATE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF PRODUCTION IN PAVE ING AND MAPSF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAPS FOR PAVING AND RESURFACING. LET'S LOOK AT SIDEWALK REPAIRS I WILL JUST PUT AN IMAGE OUT THERE OF CONTRACT THAT COUNCIL APPROVED A CHANGE ORDER TO TODAY. THAT WAS THE GILLEN SIDEWALKS CONTRACT. THIS IS THE GRINDING MACHINE. A VERY INTERESTING MACHINE GRINDS THE SIDEWALKS OUT AND VACUUMS AND SUCKS UP MATERIAL IN THE BACK ALL AT THE SAME TIME. WE USE THIS CONTRACTOR TO MITIGATE TRIP AND FALL HAZARD ON EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND WHERE WE MITIGATE BECAUSE NOT TO GRIND TOO MUCH. WE USE THE OTHER CONTRACT YOU APPROVED TODAY AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THAT TO REPLACE PANELS. THROUGH THE LAST QUARTER, OUR PRODUCTION WITH THE SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE TEAM. AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF HAS BEEN ALMOST 10,000 LINEAR FEET OF NEW SIDEWALK PANELS ON EXISTING SIDEWALK. BETTER WALKABILITY AND 19,000 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK GRINDING. THIS HAS -- THIS BASICALLY MEANS BETTER WALKABILITY, LESSER TRIP AND FALL HAZARDS, MINIMIZE RISKS, BETTER ACCESS. AND THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WORKED ON IN THE LAST QUARTER, BUT AS WE MENTIONED A YEAR AND A HALF GO USING MONIES BY THE WAY. USING MONEY GENERATED BY VEHICLES TOWARD WALKABILITY AND CHIPPING AWAY AT IT. WITHIN FOUR YEARS TO COVER THE ENTIRE CITY AND MITIGATE 09 TO 95% OF TRIP HAZARDS. FORGIVE THE HARDY MAP. BUT WE HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY FROM ALASKA TO PADAGONIA AND TAMPA SO THESE ARE ATLAS PAGES, OF COURSE, OR ATLAS SEGMENTS. AS YOU CAN SEE WE ALMOST COMPLETED 50% OF THE CITY AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE DONE NEW TAMPA, PORT TAMPA, EAST TAMPA. AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THIS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AT A TIME. OUR VISION ZERO TECH TEAM. ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AT A TIME. WE HAVE A LOT MORE THAN EFFICIENCY AND THE TIME WE SPEND IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DOING THAT. SO I AM REALLY HAPPY TO REPORT THIS, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ARE IN HOUSE FORCES. A LOT OF CREATIVITY ON THE TEAM'S PART AND A LOT OF DILIGENCE ON THE TEAM'S PART AS WELL AND I AM SURE YOU ARE HEARING FROM NEIGHBORS THAT THEY ARE SEEING PAVING ALL OVER THE CITY BECAUSE IT IS BEING DONE ALL OVER THE CITY AND CONTINUE WITH THAT CLIP. AS YOU CAN CONSIDER THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR FY '25. MY OPINION WOULD BE TO PLEASE CONTINUE MOBILITY FOR PEACHING AND SIDEWALKS AND THAT IS YOUR PRIORITY AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN ASKED FOR RECOGNIZED FIRST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUPLE OF THINGS. DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW MANY MILES OF PAVING DID YOU IN FY '23 FOR COMPARISON? >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON ME, BUT FOR COMPARISON, WE WOULD DO FOUR TO FIVE MILES PER QUARTER AND I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 25 MILES AT BEST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 25 REALLY. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE FOURTH QUARTER TO LOOK LIKE. >> FOURTH QUARTER NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE A LIST. >> AS FAR AS THE -- LINEAR MILES? >>VIK BHIDE: SAME OR MORE. SAME OR MORE. DEFINITELY SAME OR MORE. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEXT OTHER THAN. ARE AFTER SULPHUR SPRINGS RATHER ARE PHASE TWO. THEN MAIN STREET WHICH IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH WEST TAMPA RR. THEN SULPHUR SPRINGS PHASE TWO. AND THEN SUNSET PARK AFTER THAT. CLENDENIN DO YOU BE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF ASPHALT PAVING. WHY ARE WE NOT BRINGING SIDEWALKS IN. >>VIK BHIDE: A VERY GOOD QUESTION. THAT IS BASED ON RESOURCES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SEEING THE PAVING AROUND TOWN BECAUSE WE ARE DOING IT OURSELVES. HOW TO EX-PER DIET THE WALK SIDEWALK BY -- [WHISPERING] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LYNN IS TRYING TO BE A COMEDIAN. >>VIK BHIDE: EVERYBODY IS TAKING YOUR JOB TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXACTLY. . THE SHORT ANSWER IS -- THE IN-HOUSE CAPACITY TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. WE ARE FOCUSED ON PEACHING, THE NEXT IS THE CONCRETE TEAM THAT CAN DO SIDEWALKS AND ACCEPT RATED BIKE LANES AND STORMWATER FACILITY AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOKING AT FY '25 BUDGET. WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR US TO DO SOMETHING TO START TO HAVE THE PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY. >>VIK BHIDE: IN THE FIRST YEAR WE STEMMED $3.5 MILLION FOR A FEW ADDITIONAL POSITIONS AND MORE EQUIPMENT TO PUT TOGETHER A SIDEWALK TEAM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SINCE TALKING OF THIS BUDGET, ONE THING WE HAVE NOTICED NO LINE ITEM FOR -- FOR PAVING AND REPAVING IN THE BUDGET. IS THAT -- >>VIK BHIDE: YOU WON'T SEE A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET. CIP BUDGET AN THAT HAS VARIOUS BUCKETS. SOME OF THE BUCKETS READ THINGS LIKE VISION ZERO IMPROVEMENTS. QUICK BUILD IMPROVEMENTS. THOSE ALL PAVING PROJECTS. BUT THEY ARE ALSO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I AM GOING TO EXPECT BEFORE WE PASS THE BUDGET, I NEED THINGS BROKEN OUT IN SPECIFIC. OKAY, HOW MUCH ARE WEED A VOTE SKATING TOWARD PAVING, REPAVING, SIDEWALKS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS RELATED TO MOBILITY AND IF I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DETAILED LIST TO FIND OUT TO WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR AND WHETHER TO STEAL MONEY FROM OTHER PLACES TO PAY FOR MORE. THAT -- THAT IS -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS CROSSCHECK, THAT WE ARE GETTING, I THINK, WHAT THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA EXPECT NOW. AND DEFINITELY EXCEEDED EXPECTATION IN 204 VIK, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TODAY. AND PUT THAT FLAG UP THE POLE TO ADVERTISE YOUR SUCCESS. SO IT IS A GREAT WAY TO TELL PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU. >>VIK BHIDE: WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A GREAT TEAM. AND THAT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ITEM. BUT THE WEST RIVER WALK PROJECT IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN PARKS AND MOBILITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TWO EMPLOYEES TONY MUNN FROM PARK AND TINA MAVOL FIREWORKS MOBILITY THAT WORKED HARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SINCE YOU ARE TALKING ON THAT AN DON'T BRING IT UP ON, WE WILL BE PLANT A LOT OF TREES. LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PLANT TREES AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET TREES IN THE GROUND. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS BECAUSE BEING ALMOST SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE FOR LOOKING ALL THE SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. AND VERY EXCITED TO FINISH THAT ON TARGET AND FINISH SIDEWALKS AND THAT IS WONDERFUL. I WOULD BE REMISS IF YOU DIDN'T ASK WHAT ADDED PARKING AND A BIKE LANE ON HOWARD. HOPING THAT IS PROTECTED BIKE LANE BY THE PARKING. >>VIK BHIDE: EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE, WHAT TIM SHARED IS A CERTAIN MATERIAL THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT SEPARATES THE BIKE LANE AND MAY BE ON BACK ORDER MIGHT TAKE A WHILE. A BUFFER WITHOUT PROTECTION BUT EVENTUALLY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM TALKING OF USING PARKING -- >>VIK BHIDE: PARK PROGRAM TICKETED? I DON'T KNOW THAT. BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE THE PARKING IS CONTIGUOUS THROUGHOUT. SO THAT MIGHT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. IN THE AREAS IT IS, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT IS THE PROTECTED. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS THERE HAVE BEEN A -- I HAVE BEEN GETTING A BUNCH OF E-MAILS ABOUT A ONE PROJECT BRINGING BACK THE IDEA OF SIDEWALKS AND IN-LIEU FEES. CURRENTLY WE GET $29 A LINEAR FOOT FOR SIDEWALKS. IF YOU HAVE SAID THAT IS COST $162 A LINEAR SQUARE FOOT OF SIDEWALKS. SO I AM JUST LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW AND LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT AT THE END OF THIS, I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO -- TOO LEGAL STAFF ABOUT THIS. I AM GOING TO HAVE A -- I AM ASKING STAFF TO CREATE A RESOLUTION TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT. SO TALKING ABOUT GETTING MONEY FROM NOWHERE, NOT GETTING MONEY FROM NOWHERE. GETTING MONEY THAT WE ARE OWED. SO THAT WILL REALLY BE ABLE TO HELP THE SIDEWALK BUDGET INCREASE. SO THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SURE. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I REMEMBER WE TRIED TO DO THAT A FEW YEARS AGO AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. I KNOW THAT DEVELOPERS PUSHED WARNING HARD AND HOPEFULLY CAN GET THIS PASSED. AND SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING IT. I WANT TO ECHO CONGRATS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR BRINGING THE PAVING IN HOUSE AND MOVING A LOT FASTER. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT SOLUTION I HOPE WE CAN DO MORE WITH THE SIDEWALKS. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF NEW SUBURBAN BEAUTIFUL? VICK STLAKZ IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND THAT IS -- SO -- SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT ON IT. WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED FOR A MEETING TO DISCUSS AND OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL. BOILS DOWN WITH THAT COMMUNITY SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE EXISTING TREES. THERE ARE NOT EASY ANSWERS. THE THE TWO DON'T EXIST EASILY AND THE TREE ALWAYS WINS. >>BILL CARLSON: MY PREFERENCE IS GO BACK TO BREAKING IN. I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN THREE WEEKS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GONE, BUT STILL FROM ALL THE REPAIR WORK AND THINGS, THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF POTHOLES AND MUD AND STUFF ALL AROUND THAT AREA THOSE STREETS THE WORST I HAVE SEEN IN THE CITY ANYWHERE AND I HOPE WE CAN GET THEM FIXED. THE LAST THING TALK OF THE $3.5 MILLION FOR TAKING THE SIDEWALKS IN HOUSE AND WE HAVE ALL OPINION PUSHING FOR SIDEWALKS FOR YEARS. I -- PLEASE KEEP US POSTED ABOUT WHAT WE CAN TO DO SUPPORT YOU. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO THERE. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF HOUSES. IT CREATES A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. TAMPA PROMOTES MENTAL HEALTH. FREE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND. IF YOU PUT A SIDEWALK. A NICER SIDEWALK OR A SIDEWALK, AND IT ENCOURAGES DEVELOPERS TO BUILD NICER HOUSES AND PEOPLE TO ADD ON TO THEIR HOUSES AND POTENTIALLY A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR ECONOMIC IMPACT TO CREATING SIDEWALKS. AND MY POINT BEING SOMEWHAT FACETIOUS. IF WE COLD SIDEWALKS THE WAY WHICH COLD THE RIVER WALK RIGHT NOW AND WE DID THE POLITICAL PUSH TO GET VOTES THE WAY WE DID THE RIVER WALK JUST NOW, WE COULD HAVE A TRANSFORMATIVE THING. FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO RIGHT AFTER -- I GOT ON COUNCIL. I ASKED FOR A CITYWIDE SIDEWALK PLAN AND STILL WE HAVE HUGE GAPS FOR SIDEWALKS ALL OVER THE CITY. IT HAS GOT TO BE A MAJOR PRIORITY, SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS. AND A LOT OF MARKETING RHETORIC. NOT MUCH HAS BEEN DONE. FINALLY MAKING PROGRESS ON THE POTHOLES AND PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW TO SUPPORT YOU ON SIDEWALKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AM GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT UP SIDEWALKS. DURING MY CAMPAIGN, THE FIRST THING I TALKED WITH WAS SIDEWALKS IN BLACK COMMUNITIES. WE HAD TO BEG FOR SIDEWALKS. WHEN MY SISTER AND FRIENDS WORKED FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY WERE COUNTING THE CRACKS ON THE SIDEWALKS IN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND OUR COMMUNITIES DIDN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS UNTIL I CAME HOME FROM COLLEGE. WHEN WE TALK OF SIDEWALKS, YOU ARE RIGHT, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THEM JUST LIKE THE RIVERWALK PROJECT. AND THE FIRST PLACE WE NEED TO START IS IN DISENFRANCHISED COMMUNITIES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AMEN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET'S START THERE FIRST. NOT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. >>VIK BHIDE: THE SIDEWALK NEED IS OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. HALF BECAUSE OF THE 13 MILES IN GAPS. EARLIER TODAY AND IN TODAY'S BUDGET PRESENTATION. HANNA MOBILITY $1.8 MILLION THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS ON A 24th STREET THAT WERE REQUESTED BY THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF ACCESS NEEDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BHIDE. YES SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE READY FOR ANY MORE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT, NEW BUSINESS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET. 120 WE TOOK CARE OF. 121. YES, MA'AM, YOU ARE HERE. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. I AM DANA CROSBY COLLIER, AN ASSIST AT ANY TIME CITY ATTORNEY. I'M HERE BEHALF, YOU CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON A 121 RELATING TO THE MOTION REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF PROHIBITING NEW FORMULA BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS ON 7th AND 8th AVENUE FROM NUCCIO TO 22nd AVENUE IN YBOR CITY. OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS IN RESPONSE TO THE MOTION WE LOOKED AT PROHIBITION OF FORM RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES IN THE DISTRICT. EXHAUSTIVE INITIATIVE OF LEGAL CHALLENGE OF THIS NATURE IN THE STATE AND SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE DEVELOPED IN OTHER CITIES SINCE THE EARLY CHALLENGE TO THE ORDINANCE DOWN IN THE KEYS IN SUMMARY WE BELIEVE IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE FOR YBOR, AND BECAUSE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE CITY. IT WILL BE A FINE NEEDLE TO THREAD. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ADDITION SAL FINDINGS OF FACT AND GOOD BASIS FOR ORDINANCE IN THE FINDINGS OF FACT. OUR DOWNTOWN ATTORNEY IDENTIFIED LEGAL ISSUE BUSINESS LOOKING AT THE CASE LAW AND OTHER ORDINANCES AND AT THIS POINT FEEL IT IS MORE OF AN EXERCISE FOR YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT POE TENSION IN BUILDING A CASE FOR SUCH AN ORDINANCE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. SO I WILL STOP THERE FOR NOW. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WAS AN ITEM I PROPOSED AND YOU ALL SUPPORTED, THANK YOU. THE IDEA IS THAT THERE WERE FOLKS IN YBOR WHO WERE UPSET THAT SO MANY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS IN YBOR. AND THEY ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAVE THEM AND PROTECT THEM. SO IN RESEARCH WHAT COULD BE DONE, ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES IS SOME HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE STATE AND OTHER PLACES HAVE PROTECTED SMALL BUSINESSES FROM CHAINS THAT ARE COMING ANY WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND MR. SHELBY FOR EXTENSIVE RESEARCH. I HAD MY OWN RESEARCH AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND AN EXHAUSTIVE AND EDUCATIONAL RESEARCH PROCESS. AS SHE SAID, WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS TAKE IT FOR THE PLANNER. THERE IS NO PLANNER BECAUSE STEPHEN BENSON IS GONE. MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE WITH THANKS FOR THEM TO DO A WORK. AND WHEN WE GET A PLANNER, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THAT PERSON AND COME BACK WITH ANOTHER MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND MICHELINI MIRANDA SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN'T BE ROCKET SCIENCE, ANNA MARIA ISLAND. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR MAN IN MARIA ISLAND. I KNEW HER. WE TALKED OF THEIR ORDINANCE AND HOW THEY DEVELOPED IT. MAN IN MARIA ISLAND -- AND WE DISCUSSED THIS -- IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN YBOR CITY. ANNA MARIA ISLAND IS AT THE END OF A ROAD. YOU GO TO ANNA MARIA ISLAND, YOU ARE MOVING INTO AREA OF THE STATE THAT IS NOT LIKE YBOR CITY WHICH IS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PEOPLE IN YBOR WILL ARGUE IT BEING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WELL, RIGHT BY TWO MAJOR INTERSTATES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HEAVILY TRAVERSED THROUGHOUT THAT AREA WHEREAS ANNA MARIA ISLAND IS A LOT MORE ISOLATED. ANOTHER THING THEY DID IN ANNA MARIA ISLAND, THEY ADDED THIS TO THE REGULATORY SECTION OF THE CODE AND NOT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND A PROHIBITION IN THE CITY OF THE REGULAR PORTION OF THE CODE. THEY ALSO DID DEVELOP THEIR OWN FINDINGS OF FACT BASED ON THEIR GEOGRAPHY AND THEIR POSITIONS IN THE COMMUNITY ART DECO DISTRICT IN MIAMI SIMILARLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT. A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THERE. THEY CREATED AN OVERLAY IN ORDER TO DO THIS SAND I TALKED TO THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY WHO WORKED TO THAN PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AS WELL, AND HE SAID THEY HAVE THEIR -- HE SAYS THIS IS A HEAVY PLANNING PROCESS. YOU WANT TO GO TO YOUR PLANNERS AND HAVE THEM DEVELOP THE REASON WHY YOU NEED THESE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS IN THAT AREA. >> SO -- WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GO THE REGULATORY PROCESS? >>. YOU WILL STILL NEED TO MAKE A FINDING OF THE NEED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FINDING OF FACT. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WE ALREADY HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND PROTECTED. DESIGN GUIDELINES AND FURTHER PROTECTED. I DID SPEAK WITH STEPHEN BEFORE HE LEFT AND WE TALKED OF DIFFERENT THINGS HE WOULD LOOK AT AS A PLANNER IF HE WERE TO LOOK AT SUCH AN ORDINANCE. HE SAID IT WOULD BE A VISION FOR THAT COMMUNITY AND VISION FOR THAT STRIP THAT MAKES IT NECESSARY TO REGULATE WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES CAN ACTUALLY COME IN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH GROWTH COMING DOWN. IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, THE SELMON CONNECTOR AND PART OF T THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SHOULD AN OFF-LINE DISCUSSION. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: TALKED OF ANNA MARIA AND MIAMI BEACH. >>BILL CARLSON: NEIGHBORS SMALLER MAKES IT MORE DEFENSIBLE. A LOT OF CASE LAW FROM LAWSUITS FILED. THAT IS WHOLE ANOTHER LONG CONVERSATION. WE NEED TO GO TO PLANNING, BUT WHOEVER BECOMES THE NEW PLANNER, I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM FIRST. YOU ALL HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, I DON'T. BUT I WANT TO FIGHT FOR IT BECAUSE I FULLY SUPPORT IT. I THINK THIS IS PART OF THIS AND WILL REMAIN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF -- OF YBOR CITY. AND IF WE DON'T PROTECT IT, IT WILL TURN INTO INTERNATIONAL DRIVE IN ORLANDO. LAST THING WE WANT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH SIZZLER, PONDEROSA STEAKHOUSE. ALL THE BUSINESSES -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALTHOUGH MY NAME IS ON THE MOTION, BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MISS DANA CROSBY COLLIER FOR HER HARD WORK, DILIGENCE AND LEGAL EXPERTISE. >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MARTY. MY PLEASURE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I THINK THOUGH IN A WAY, I DON'T THINK IT WILL BECOME INTERNATIONAL DRIVE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES OWNED BY LOCATION. AND I THINK THEY GET TO DECIDE WHO GOES IN THERE SO I THINK WE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE WE DO THIS. AND SEE WHAT THEIR VISION IS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN KEEPING A SMALL NATURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, LOOK WHO THEY RENTED TO. WE ARE DEAL WITH THE CONSE CONSEQUENCES. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE SOME OF THAT. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE IT NOR FAMILY FRIENDLY. SO I THINK BY DOING BOTH, WE WILL -- WE WILL HELP FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T EVER SEE IT BECOMING -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 122. NO STAFF NEEDED BUT COUNCILMAN VIERA. THIS WAS YOUR MOTION FOR THE $50,000. >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH. I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION AT THE END OF BUSINESS. SO IT APPEARS -- AND MR. SHELBY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE FUND EXISTING FOR THAT, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: HER NOW FOR CERTAIN. AND YOU RECEIVED A MEMO FROM MIKE PERRY, THE BUDGET OFFICER, WHO SAID YOU ARE NOT ONLY COVERED FOR FY '24. ASSUMING YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, CONTAINED IN 'FY '25 AS WELL. >>LUIS VIERA: WONDERFUL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR HIM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT IN MANNER. >>LUIS VIERA: SPEAK OF THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY. AND TAKEN UP A LOT TIME. AND MY WONDERFUL LEGISLATIVE AID THAT HAS TAKEN UP A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AS WELL. MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE MOTION SINCE IT IS CONNECTED TO THIS ISSUE. I MOTION TO HAVE THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION CONTRACT TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 31 AGENDA. AND THE DELAY FOR THE FACILITATORS AND I DON'T PUT THAT AS A BAD THING. A GOOD THING FOR AT THAT PAID FACILITATORS AND SOMETHING COUNCIL SUGGESTED. WITH THIS, WE SHOULD GET THE BALL ROLLING ON SEPTEMBER, I THINK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. : >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 123 WAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE MUCH BECAUSE IT WAS A CONTINUANCE. EVERYTHING SFWHAS IT IS TIME TO GO NO NEW BUSINESS. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. HIRZ HIRZ PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET MEETING TO ARE SEPTEMBER 3, 2024. WAS THAT A DAY MEETING THE FIRST ONE. THE SECOND ONE NIGHT MEETING. OKAY, FOR THE -- THEY TOLD ME AT -- AT THE THIRD OF SEPTEMBER IS A TUESDAY, I BELIEVE. OKAY. AND THIS IS NUMBER ONE. DO WE GOT TO VOTE ON THAT ONE FIRST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO SET THAT PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. MIRANDA BHARZ HOUR, 5:01? OKAY, 5:01. SECOND PUBLIC HEARING SEPTEMBER 17, 2024, AT TUESDAY AT 5:01. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A FEW -- I KNOW, RIGHT -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU HAVE BEEN SAVING THEM UP. >>LUIS VIERA: GOING EASY ON FOLKS. THE FIRST ONE IS, Y'ALL SAW MY COMMENTS ON THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. IT APPEARS THAT PRESENTLY TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, YOU MUST BE A CITY RESIDENT. AND I THINK THAT IS FAR TOO RESTRICTIVE. SO, THEREFORE, I MOTION TO MODIFY THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE NO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENCE -- STRIKE THAT, COMMUNITY MEMBERS BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY, FORMER CITY EMPLOYEES ROAR OR NAMED JOE GRECO -- I AM JOKING -- JUST A LITTLE SCHUMER THERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE JOKING. >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW, RIGHT. THAT IS MY MOTION. AND, AGAIN, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND HURTAK. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. YOU CAN OWN A BUSINESS, BUT YOU STILL REALLY OUGHT TO LIVE HERE. EVERY SINGLE CITY BOARD REQUIRES YOU TO LIVE HERE. I CAN'T -- I AM SURE -- I KNOW HE IS A GREAT GUY, BUT WE CAN'T START DOWN TO THAT ROAD. ONCE WE START DOWN THAT ROAD, EVERY OTHER COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME WAY. AND WE CAN'T HAVE -- >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN'T HAVE JUST BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE LIVE IN HICK. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE. IF THERE IS A WAY BECAUSE OF HIS LONG HISTORY WITH THE CITY, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE A ONE-PERSON EXCEPTION, I COULD VOTE FOR THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES. BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AMENDING IT TO ALLOW JOE GRECO TO BE ON THERE. >>LUIS VIERA: NO, THAT IS ALL I WANTED. MR. SHELBY, CAN WE DO THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: CAN HE JUST BRING HIS BOAT INTO THE BAY? >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY DOES WANT JOE GRECO ON THERE BECAUSE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEST FIRE FIGHTER OF A LONG TIME. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT UNTIL YOU MEET HIM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIVE THE RESOLUTION. COUNCIL'S COMMITTEE. COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION. RATHER THAN EXPAND IT, RATHER THERE IS A CONCERN OF IT. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION, WE CAN CRAFT THE RESOLUTION TO REFLECT THAT IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THAT. CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD. IT IS ABOUT BEING A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. UP UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF HE MOVED TO NEW YORK ALREADY WOULD HE STILL BE ELIGIBLE? I MEAN, IT IS A CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD. A BUDGET COMMITTEE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BOARDS THAT WE HAVE. HE IS A GREAT GUY. EVERYBODY LOVES HIM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WAIVING THAT RULE SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH SCHOOLISH TO ME. WE HAVE A RULE. IT IS A RULE IS A RULE IS A RULE. JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE SOMEBODY, HE IS PART OF THE COOL KID CLUB DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN HE GETS MY VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I MAKE -- MAY I MAKE A DISCLOSURE FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITY COUNCIL, THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT PERHAPS IN THE PAST THERE WASN'T REALLY A BACKGROUND CHECK TO ENSURE THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. THAT PROHIBITION COULD ACTUALLY AFFECT PERHAPS -- AND I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY VERIFIED IT, OTHER SITTING MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE WHO MAY NOT IN FACT BE CITY RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT PROVISION WITHIN THE -- WITHIN THE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WE PROBABLY -- WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AGAIN, I JUST -- I HATE -- I HATE MAKING A RULE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WELL LIKED. AND IT -- OKAY, I AM DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: NOT BECAUSE JOE GRECO IS WELL-LIKED -- WE NEED SOMEBODY LIKE GEE GRECO, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS. JOE GRECO BLEEDS RED AND BLUE NOR POLICE AND FOR FIRE. AND IT, AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT. IF IT IS REJECTED, THEN I WILL GO AND GET SOMEBODY ELSE, RIGHT. AND THAT IS FINE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS YOUR MOTION JUST FOR CLARITY. >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S START IF I MAY, THE FIRST MOTION, MOTION TO AMEND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD QUALIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE SOMEONE WHO, NUMBER ONE, IS A CITY RESIDENT. NUMBER TWO, SOMEBODY THAT OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND NUMBER THREE, SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN A CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE DURING THE LAST TEN YEARS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: EITHER-OR. >>LUIS VIERA: ONE OF THOSE THREE. TO ADDRESS FOLKS' CONCERNS. EACH ONE OF THESE PLAY AN UNIQUE ROLE IN THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU CAN HAVE, NUMBER ONE, SOMEBODY WHO IS A SPECIFICS RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ALL AGREE TO THAT. NUMBER TWO, SOMEBODY THAT OWNS PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND PAYS TAXES. THEY LIVE IN BRANDON WHEREVER IT NAY BE, THEY PAY TAXES. NUMBER THREE, SOMEONE THAT IS A FORMER EMPLOYEE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, SO, THEREFORE, THEY HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AS AN EMPLOYEE. ALL OF THEM HAVE SUFFICIENT CONNECTIONS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA SO AS TO JUSTIFY INVOLVEMENT IN THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. AND, AGAIN, THAT ALSO GIVES UP THE ISSUE OF HAVING TO LOOK BACKWARDS, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND ALL DESERVED TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY ALL WORKED VERY HARD. THAT IS MY FIRST MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIEDED WITH CARLSON, HURTAK AND CLENDENIN VOTING NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE AT CITY COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY. ONLY FOUR OF US. >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THAT, MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE THE GREG ISSUE COMING UP AUGUST 1 SHELBY TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT TO HAVE THAT COME BACK. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE IS A SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THIS VOTE THAT JUST HAPPENED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ALREADY -- THAT'S CORRECT. YOU ALREADY PUT BACK -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALREADY MADE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE IT THIS MORNING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU PUT MR. GRECO'S RESOLUTION FOR AUGUST 1. YOU MADE THE MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION I NOW HAVE TO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: NAY. >>CLERK: YOU WANT THE RESOLUTION ON AUGUST 1 THE FIRST NOTION AMEND THE RESOLUTION. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM. >>CLERK: MAKING SURE. >>LUIS VIERA: BY THE WAY I DON'T TAKE THIS -- I DON'T TAKE THIS AS A VOTE AGAINST JOE GRECO. THAT YOU DON'T KNOW JOE GRECO, THE GREATEST GUY. I LOVE HIM TO DEATH. MATTER OF RULES AND 100% WELL TAKEN. NEXT IS -- >>CLERK: WE DIDN'T FINISH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS A NO. ANY MORE NOs? COUNCILMAN CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I VOTED YES. >>CLERK: WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH HURTAK AND CLENDENIN VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. A COUPLE OF OTHER QUICK ONES, PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN FOR CHIEF TRIPP. ONE IN 2022. I THINK THERE WAS. AND SOME CONTROVERSY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT NEVER CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE $100,000. SPEAKING OF CHIEF TRIP, SHE WANTED SOME MORE -- I FORGOT THE SPECIFICITY, BUT ISSUES SHE WANTED TO WORK THROUGH BEFORE ANOTHER CONSULT THAN THE TAKE IS A LOOK AT NUMBERS AGAIN. SO SHE IS THE FIRE CHIEF. I AM NOT. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FIRE, RIGHT. COMPARED TO HER OBVIOUSLY. AND SO I WAS AGREEABLE TO THAT. SO I GOT CHIEF TRIPP TO AGREE THAT WHEN SHE IS TO REPORT ON MARCH 27, 2025 FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN -- '25. AGAIN, SORRY. UP UPDATE SHE WILL GIVE US A NAME OF THE CONSULTANT SHE HAS RETAINED AS PART OF HER PRESENTATION. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO MOTION FOR THAT AS A MOTION TO AMEND THE MARCH 22, 2025 PRESENTATION BY TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO ALSO INCLUDE THE NAME OF THE CONSULTANT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. A SECOND? >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT. I WAS ASKED BY THE UNION TO DO A MOTION CONSISTENT WITH THAT TO REQUEST THAT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WORK WITH LOCAL 754 ON RECEIVING DOCUMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO REVIEW PUBLIC SAFETY DATA FOR THE MARCH 2025. I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS -- YES. I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS COME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. IT IS JUST A REQUEST THAT TAMPA FIRE RECLUE WORK WITH THE UNION TO GET THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY NEED SO THEY CAN SEE THE DATA AND ALSO IN PREPARATION FOR MARCH AND NOT GOING TO COME BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL PUBLIC RECORDS WITH NUMBER OF CALLS, DATA, WORKLOAD NUMBERS, ETC. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHO WILL YOU >>LUIS VIERA:T.F.R. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS CHIEF TRIPP? WHY WOULD SHE NOT GIVE IT? >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T KNOW. SUPPORT OF COUNCIL REACHING THE BALANCE. IF WE ARE MOVING BETWEEN THE LINES, MOVING THIS REPORT SIX MONTHS AND I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PARTIES. THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. FAVOR FAVE. ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: THIS WILL ACTUALLY SAVE TIME. I MOVE THAT THE FOLLOWING STAFF REPORT ON AUGUST 1 BE REPORTS. AND NUMBER ONE, CODE OF CONDUCT 26.5. NUMBER TWO, THE UPDATE ON THE DISABILITY. AND I MOVE THAT WE WILL HAVE IT MOVED AS STAFF REPORTS ONLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A WRITTEN REPORT? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SORRY, WRITTEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSE? ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, IF I MAY. I WANT TO DO A MOTION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS FROM A MEMO FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME BACK US TO ON SEPTEMBER 5 FOR THE SPECIFIC INVESTMENTS THAT THIS BUDGET IS MAKING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS WE /*. WE KNOW ABOUT THE POOL AND THE CAMP, ETC. AND THAT WE HAVE THAT UNIFIED. AND IT CAN BE AGAINST STAFF OR WRITTEN REPORT. NO STAFF REPORT. THAT IS IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FLOWING COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECOND FROM -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN SECOND IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU WANT THAT BEFORE THE BUDGET -- WE ARE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE VOTED ON THE BUDGET BY THEN, BECAUSE WE VOTE SEPTEMBER 3 FOR THE FIRST. IF YOU WANT THAT, I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT YOU SIX FOR IT DURING THE OPERATING BUDGET MEETING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AUGUST 19. >>LUIS VIERA: SO UPON THE VERY WISE REQUEST OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I MOVE THAT TO AUGUST 19, REQUEST TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO US. >> AMENDED TO AUGUST 19 WITH THE SECOND WITH MR. SHELBY'S HAND UP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO CONFIRM A SPECIALLY CALLED BUDGET WORKSHOP AND YOU WANT THAT TO SHOW ON THE AGENDAS PART OF THE SPECIAL CALL -- >>LUIS VIERA: NO. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEY CAN E-MAIL IT BEFORE THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: E-MAIL IN ADVANCE OF THE AUGUST 19 BUDGET WORKSHOP. >>LUIS VIERA: LOOKING TO SAVE TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYTHING ELSE. >>LUIS VIERA: REMIND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CLENDENIN. IT HAS BEEN A YEAR FOR MERCIFUL, THE DOGS IN CASE YOU WANT TO ASK FOR A COUPLE OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THOSE FOLKS. TO THE TWO BIGGEST DOG LOVERS HERE. THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LIKE DOGS. I DON'T HAVE SOMEONE. YES, MA'AM, ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO THE CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT TO BE 40. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HAPPY 40th BIRTHDAY TO THE CLEAR. I NEED A HAIRCUT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE KING OF NICE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TODAY WAS A VERY NICE MEETING. I HAVE GRAYING HAIR. ANY NEW BUSINESS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS GOES BACK TO THE MOTION THAT I WITHDREW TODAY TALKING ABOUT REAL ESTATE WITH LIENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I MOTION FOR THE REAL ESTATE AND HOUSING TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON JANUARY 16, 2025 REGARDING CERTAIN PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY ARE ELIGIBLE AND APPROPRIATE FOR FORECLOSURE AND CONSIDERED FOR REDEVELOPMENT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEIR LANGUAGE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ONES PRESENTED BY BOBBY TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, ALL OVER THE CITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. YES MA'AM? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WOULD THEY BE PROVIDING US WITH? >>LYNN HURTAK: -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: STAFF HAS TO DO THE WORK AND -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS LITERALLY -- LITERALLY WRITTEN BY THEM AND THE DATE CHOSEN BY THEN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. >>LYNN HURTAK: I TRY TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN ADVANCE AND THAT WAS BY THEIR RECOMMENDATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. CLENDENIN WAS THE SECOND -- WAIT. HURTAK THOURZ GO BACK TO THE SIDEWALK INFORMATION AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN GET SO MUCH MORE. I MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO CREATE A RESOLUTION TO ADJUST THE SIDEWALK IN-LIEU FEE TO REFLECT THE TOO YOU WILL COST OF BUILDING SIDEWALKS AND BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 22, 2024. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE YOU HAVE A BETTER RECOLLECTION THAN I DON'T. CHAPTER 27 STATE THE FEE IN THE ORDINANCE, IS IT ALREADY IN THE CODE? >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW. MISS GREGORY SAID IT HAS TO BE DONE BY RESOLUTION. I HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM IN NEXT WEEK TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. I WILL SAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO UNDER MAYOR BUCKHORN, I REQUESTED FOR SQUAWKS ON A SPECIFIC STREET. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT IT IN THE END. LONG STORY. BUT IT WAS $100,000. TODAY IT WOULD BE $400,000 TO $500,000 FOR THE SAME SIDEWALKS. UNBELIEVABLE HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS COST. SOMETHING SO SIMPLE WHICH IS NOW THE PRICE OF A HOUSE ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED. LAST THING. >>LYNN HURTAK: ITEM NUMBER 57 WAS THE AUDIT WORK PLAN. IF YOU SAW WHAT THE DIFFERENT AUDITS WERE. I WANT TO ASK -- WE AS CITY COUNCIL ARE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL AUDITS. 30 DAYS FROM NOW TO DO SO, AND WE NEED A MAJORITY APPROVAL. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE AUDIT OF THE SIDEWALK FUNDS AND THE TREE FUNDS IN THE CITY. THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT. AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY TOWARD TREES AND SIDEWALKS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET AN AUDIT THIS YEAR TO LOOK AT THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD IDEA. MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WILL BE BUSY WITH THE BUDGET STUFF. SOMETHING WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE BUDGET. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BECAUS WE HAVE 30 DAYS FLORIDA TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT IS WELL TAKEN. I AGREE. IT IS SEVERAL YEARS OVERDUE. I SUPPORT THE IDEA. I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN STAFF. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THE AUDIT IN 30 DAYS BUT ADDED TO THE AUDIT PLAN FOR THE YEAR. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER IDEAS FOR AUDITS. YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE LIST, ITEM 57. INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT WE AUDIT EVERY YEAR. THOSE WERE JUST COUPLE OF ONES THAT HAD IN MIND. I HAD MORE, BUT I THOUGHT I WILL ONLY DO TWO THIS YEAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU HEAR THAT, VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR OUR SPORTS PROGRAM IN PARKS AND REC. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK SO. YOU GOT 30 DAYS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE 30 DAYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO MOTION ON SOMETHING SPECIFIC AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN 30 DAYS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS VERY GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE MA'AM? >>LYNN HURTAK: NOPE. THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE WE CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE THIS ROOM. ON THE SIDEWALK THING. TWO THINGS. THIS ONE IS, IF I RECALL, WE CAN ONLY CHARGE THE ACTUAL COST, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I SUGGESTED LAST TIME INCLUDE THE OVERHEAD COST RELATED TO IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HIGH COST IS BUILT IN OR NOT. WE WERE DOG OF TALKING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 29 AND 75. AND WE HAVE EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS ON THIS, LIKE THREE YEARS AGO. SECOND THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS FINE OUT FROM SOMEBODY WHAT HAPPENS, WHY IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH AND MAYBE LOOK AT THE VID VIDEOS BUT I EXPECT THAT THE BUILDS WILL SHOW UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DISAGREE 2021 AND '24 ARE DIFFERENT. A. AND B, DIFFERENT COUNCILS AND NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS IN FAVOR MUCH OF IT LAST TIME. OTHER THING IS, YOU ALL -- YOU ALL KNOW I HAVE SAID FROM TIME TO TIME, I PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS. THE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: PAID TO PULL PUBLIC RECORDS. >>BILL CARLSON: I BELIEVE DOING IN A VERY TRANSPARENT WAY AND I GO INTO GOV QA AND E-MAIL AND PUBLIC RECORD PULLING PUBLIC RECORDS. I GOT RESULTS OF SOME OF THEM, BUT ONE OF THEM I PULLED IN ADVANCE OF THE VOTE FOR SHOT SPOTTER. I PULLED CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO SHOT SPOTTER. WHILE WE WERE ON VACATION THEY WROTE BACK AN SAID THEY NEEDED $425 TO DO THAT. ASK FOR A VOTE OF COUNCIL TO ASK FOR IT. OR -- WE HAVE THIS EXPENSE ACCOUNT FOR CITY COUNCIL. I WILL MAKE MOTION TO ASK THAT $425 OF MY CITY COUNCIL EXPENS FUND BE APPLIED TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK US. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME -- I RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DON'T DO THAT. CARLSON CHARLOTTE IS WHAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE THING IS, FIRST OF ALL, YOUR BUDGET IS LIMITED. AND NUMBER TWO IS, YOU ARE THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. AND IF YOU REQUEST INFORMATION FROM STAFF, I BELIEVE THAT -- >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT IS ABSURD THAT CITY COUNCIL IS GETTING CHARGED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER -- FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS MAKES THAT REQUEST THAT TAKES STAFF TIME AND COST STAFF MONEY, THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT IS -- WHAT IS THE COST. AND IF SEVEN OF YOU DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF MONEY IF THEY DO IT INDIVIDUALLY. IF YOU DO IT AS AN ACTION -- AN OFFICIAL ACTION OF THIS BOARD, REQUESTING THE INFORMATION JUST AS YOU REQUESTED THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY -- IN A PREVIOUS MOTION. I BELIEVE IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO RESPOND OR TELL YOU CAN NOT. NOT YOU THE COUNCILMEMBERS BUT THAT BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEET APPROXIMATELY MY QUESTION OF $400 OF RESOURCES TO INFORM THIS CITY COUNCIL. IF THE CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO PUT ITS NAME TOO YOUR REQUEST, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT ARE YOU SEARCHING FOR SUPPORT SPOTLIGHTER? BECAUSE I AM THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION FOR REK. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. >>BILL CARLSON: ASKED FOR ALL CORRESPONDENCE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT REQUEST, ALL CORRESPONDENCE DURING A 30 OR 60-DAY PERIOD RELATED TO SHOT SPOTTER. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, OF COURSE. >>BILL CARLSON: A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT -- WITH THAT THICK. AND USUALLY WHEN I MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, I SAY EXCLUDING CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BREAK SUNSHINE. IN THIS CASE I DON'T KNOW IF I DID IT OR NOT, BUT WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR WHAT THE VENDOR WAS SAYING BACK AND FORTH IN ADMINISTRATION. IT IS INTERESTING AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE OTHER PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST THAT I HAVE GOTTEN. INTERESTING THE STUFF THAT YOU FIND. AND AS YOU KNOW, I AM AGAINST THAT PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS. I WILL MAKE MOTION TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST TO JUST GAIN INFORMATION ON -- ON -- ON CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING SHOT SPOTTER WITHOUT -- WITHOUT CHARGING THE FEE OF $423. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU PAY THE REST OF THE CORRESPONDENCE BEFORE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU FINE WITH IT? I MEAN, I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. >>BILL CARLSON: I PAID THE OTHER ONES -- ONE THAT WAS $3,000 A YEAR OR TWO AGO. AND I ASKED FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE USING MY FUND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ANY AND CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE SHOT SPOTTER OVER THE LAST 60 DAYS. >>BILL CARLSON: SOME LIMITS. I I WILL ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THAT -- IT IS NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE COURSE. >> SO DENSE. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS FINE. I AM FINE WITH THAT. I VOTED FOR IT AND IF SOMETHING I WANT TO KNOW FOR NEXT YEAR, WE WANT TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND SUNSHINE IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT. IF SOMETHING COSTS $400, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE STAFF IS GIVEN A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE A RED FLAG AND APPARENTLY A LOT OF WORK. AND NUMBER TWO, A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL AND IT NOT COME BACK TO US, RIGHT, UNLESS YOU FEEL THE NEED TO. >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL -- IF YOU ALL WANT TO SEE THE RESULTS OF IT, I CAN GET MARTY TO DISTRIBUTE IT. SHELBY FIRST OF ALL, TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY VOTED ON. NUMBER TWO, A PUBLIC RECORD AT THIS POINT. SO IRRESPECTIVE. -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET ME ASK A QUESTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MENTAL HEALTH. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO IF WE HAD -- ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY IF THERE IS A MOTION TO CONSIDER RECONSIDERATION YOU SHARE THIS SO THAT SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IT AGAIN TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION? >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT IS TOO LATE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU CAN'T DO IT TWICE? ALREADY HAVE BEEN RECONSIDERED. I AM JUST ASKING A QUESTION. THANK YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A FAIR QUESTION. A GOOD QUESTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST WANTS THE INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL CAUTION COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE COST BECAUSE TODAY WITH JUST THE REQUEST WE MADE AND THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE SPENT ON JUST THE BUDGET ALONE IS -- I MEAN TO QUANTIFY THAT WILL BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EVERY TIME WE ASK STAFF FOR SOMETHING WE CAN'T THINK OF THE QUANTIFICATION PAUSE WE ARE A I DID AND WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THINGS DONE. I THINK IT IS DIFFERENT IF IT IS JUST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT COST SHOULD BURDEN TO US, BECAUSE OUR BURDEN IS TO THE TAXPAYERS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T LIKE PAYING FOR PARKING AT EVENTS, SO I UNDERSTAND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I TALKED TO JOHN BENNETT ABOUT THAT, $35. JOHN, IF YOU WERE LISTENING, REMEMBER, THE IOU FOR YOU. LEGAL QUESTION, BECAUSE I SUPPORT THE INTENT OF THIS AND I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW BY CHARTER WE CAN HAVE COMMAND PERFORMANCES FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL TO TALK TO US. WHAT ARE WE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO FOR INFORMATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ASK FOR ANYTHING YOU WANT THAT IS RELATED TO THE TRANSACTION OF CITY BUSINESS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYTHING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR CHARTER -- THE ONLY THING THAT YOUR CHARTER ACTUALLY REFERENCES IS THE POWER OF INVESTIGATION, SECTION 2.14. AND YOUR SPECIFIC DIRECTION UNDER THE CHARTER SAYS THIS, IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE POWER, THE COUNCIL AND ANY SPECIAL COMMITTEE THEREOF THE POWER TO CONDUCT SUCH INVESTIGATIONS AND HOLD SUCH HEARINGS AS THE COUNCIL SHALL DEEM NECESSARY, EXPEDIENT AND PROPER AND HAVE THE POWER TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF WITNESSES AND THE PRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE BY THE ISSUANCE OF ALL FORMS OF SUBPOENA A LEGAL QUESTION THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. AND HAVE THE POWER TO PUNISH FOR CONTEMPT OF A FINE NOT EXCEEDING $100 AND EACH -- AND EACH DAY ANY SUCH CONTEMPT BE SHALL BE CONTINUED AND DEEMED A SEPARATE OFFENSE. NOT GET IN THE LEGALITY OF THAT, BUT I WILL STATE THAT, WHEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MET, THIS PROVISION WAS NOT DISCUSSED OR TOUCHED. SO STILL ON THE BOOKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: INTERESTING. IT SOUNDS BY THAT THAT IT WILL WELL WITHIN BE A COUNCIL PERSON'S JOB TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DOWN REQUEST THIS INFORMATION AND COMPEL THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE IT. IS THAT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. ANY DOCUMENT CREATED IN THE TRANSACTION OF CITY BUSINESS IS MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF EITHER FORMALIZING, COMMUNICATING OR -- WHAT IS THE THIRD ONE. MEMORIALIZING KNOWLEDGE -- MEMORIALIZE, COMMUNICATE AND DISTRIBUTING. AND IT BECOMES A PUBLIC RECORD SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME IS REQUIRED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUMP OF OUR INVEST INVESTIGATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL STAY THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT THIS AND REALLY HAVEN'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST COME INTO THE CITY AMAZINGLY OFFERED. AND THE CITY CLERK HAS -- HAS RAMPED UP TO HAVE A WHOLE DEPARTMENT OF PEOPLE TO DO IT. THOSE REPORTS USED TO BE GENERATED, AND DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL. WE WILL SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR. THAT WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM AND NEW PROCESS HAS BECOME SWH ETAKE TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THIS. AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING -- FORGIVE ME, I HAVE NOT COME BACK TO LOOK AT THIS WITH CARL BRODY WHERE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND MAKE TRANSPER RENT WHETHER TO HAVE ACCOUNTS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP ONLINE OR REPORTS GENERATED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION CAN STAFF AND ANDREA WAS HERE. AND SHE HAD ASKED BASICALLY FOR TIME BECAUSE SELF IN BEEN HIRING AND HAD A LOSS OF STAFF. THANK YOU FOR REING US BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHOULD COME BACK. BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE LISTENING, WE ARE PROBABLY READY TO HAVE THOSE MONTHLY REPORTS AGAIN. I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO PUT IT IN THE FORM OF AMOTION AND VOTE ON IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE DID. A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. MY SECOND THING WAS, I MADE -- I MADE A MOTION -- I THINK I MADE A MOTION -- SORRY, I HAVE JET-LAG. THAT WAS YESTERDAY -- IT WAS YESTERDAY. I MADE A MOTION TO HAVE THESE LISTS OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS COME BACK TO US, BECAUSE THEY USED TO GIVE THEM TO US AND THEY STOPPED. AND ANYWAY. WE VOTED TO HAVE THEM GIVE IT TO THEM AND THEY HAVEN'T YET. AND I HAVE BEEN PULLING PUBLIC RECORDS ON IT AND I HAVE BEEN GETTING THOSE REPORTS. THE LATEST ONE I GOT WAS JANUARY THROUGH JUNE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU SHARE IT? >>BILL CARLSON: I SENT IT TO MARTY LAST NIGHT. IN THE FORM OF A EXCEL SPREADSHEET. MARDI CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC RECORD. I AM NOT SHARING IT. BUT THAT EXISTS. NOTHING THAT ANYBODY HAS TO HIDE IN THERE, BUT WHAT THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. THE MOTION WE MADE THAT THEY SHOULD PROVIDE IT US TO ONCE A MONTH. IT IS INFORMATIVE TO LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT. I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION ON THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY MADE A MOTION, BUT IF YOU LIKE TO SEE THE LIST OF THE SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, FIRST MONTHS, MARTY HAS IT. CONGRATULATIONS TO MAYOR WELCH AND THE CITY COUNCIL IN ST. PETE FOR THE VOTE TODAY TO SAVE THE RAYS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU GOT HIM! >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT THAT PARKING OVER THERE, CHARLIE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHO WANTS TO DO A WAGER WHEN THEY SELL THAT TEAM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, GIVE IT SIX MONTHS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A TO MOTION AND FILE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OTHER ADJOURNED.