and discuss litigation. 550 100. 87 to discuss economic development matters and. 551 oh 74 to discuss personnel matters. Thank you. All right. If there are no. How are you? Good. How are you? She's not speaking. She is speaking. What Yeah. Okay. Well So the PowerPoint again, and then city Council can. Do what we did in town. I don't know what to do. How about that? Thank national public. That's what I saw. I saw a pop up. I don't know if. I did it. I saw the body. I don't know what the you. Did this slide. 0.9. I don't understand. No, no, I got to go home and see a 11 year old boy. You didn't have homework. You didn't start giving them homework. That night. Isn't that what he's telling us. It wasn't his trombone. Oh. Oh Oh, yeah. Sounds like you're. Done. There you go. That's so that they can figure something out. Did you just say. You know, I know what he does. I play trumpet. Sounds like it would. It would have said so. Yeah, but this isn't about practice. This is all about. Okay. They used to be in the back. Yeah, like I said, boys can't get to. I don't want to have to say no matter what, they drop it. Yeah I was just s, you know, you know. Okay Okay. You did. I stopped playing music because I had to. I had to memorize the vowel finger patterns for every song, but I could not read that. Note that that was that was that was bad. And then remembered. Oh, my mother would have me on the side. Yeah. You have to remember, you know, just like I could. I could read Chevrolet, but then I switched over to a baritone. And then sometimes I had sheet music where the long string bass clef was like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what that was in one place. I was never what you could be good at. Well, that's actually. The challenge that I was. Trying choked up a little bit. You said you were okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, we can just. We can erase all of those videos in the video. Oh, my goodness. Somebody's gracing our practice. Yeah You can't go back. Oh oh. There you go. Look at all the nice. That You have on. Okay, that's the one I want to use right now. I have more than all the. I don't know, all the sizes smaller than I used to. So why not use that word when you come into the public school? That little word right in front of. So many people on the first time that. You walk through the glass doors right now, you know that the only time you have spaces. Archibald, is replacing the stairs and the equipment. Is going to be great. Yeah You. You have to do the seamless cut out. And you're right. That's going to be. I think somebody was saying something about a square foot on the board. And so we might have this much space. I'm sure it's not going to. But right now they're not. That's the problem. Wrong size. Right. You know what? We'll figure everything. To make it work. What are you. Saying that I wasn't. But No, n, somebody forgot to fill it. Out. The second. Time. That's what I wanted to stress that you want to. Strive for that. I think it should be all of us at the same time. And just make sure that as much as possible may never see it. But what is happening? On the. You talked about. You never see. You guys. Wonderful Everybody up on the. And the worst part about that is there are a lot of things that you go. To. Try to get ActionScript 30 minutes and they didn't tell me what to say. Did you sell everything? Unfortunately. Why do I have to say? This I just on the ground. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what I don't know. I bring this. All the time. But we are welcome to do your clothes. For you. That is. In a beautiful. And I think that. You. Put it out there like the opposite of that. But at least we get to see the people that. Really like that? One. And. Yeah yeah. It's true. You have you have. A semi-circle around you at all. And you know, we're scheduled pictures for the morning stuff over there. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. I felt it because it was like, you know, over here. So. Yeah that's what we come back. I know. You said. It was special. For all the special kids. That was. Thank you so for the transition. I'm going on. But s. That's pretty good. I don't know what. Yeah. So that was all about. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I just. Yeah All. Right. Yeah yeah yeah. They can't. Help! Yeah. You said something about All Star stuff. That's what. So. The second go to whatever I do, it wouldn't matter how much you like me. I knew what you had all season so that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. This is. I would say that. Yeah. You get that? Every time. So I didn't want you to throw that. Out. It's content that you can't go over 130. Oh, no. I'm all right. I'm getting up with that. Right over this side. So now I understand school. Stuff like that. But that's okay. I'm going to go. I don't know what. To pick up. And then that way. So I want to show you guys I know, I know, I have all my children. But you know what exactly? No matter what, we're going to be so weird. No. Okay Yeah. I think I. Was And you said this is great for you. Well because. I had. I. Was up and I just had to run a couple miles in my truck. And then so it was nice that he must have some skin in because we get a lot, you know, like it's all the way down here, all the way up to his face was covered in sunscreen and slides. Are you completely allergic? Why are you buying? Everybody? You're always watching. Stuff like that. Stuff on the same level. For all my clothes except the water in my shoes. And I was spending everything I own. So it's really so it doesn't make any difference. And This is. Once it's starting, five years from now, is that person. So I have to start doing it with all the oils that. You really have to stay on the lifestyles. Yeah, that's right. It will never be the center of her life because that's where all the oil is. But that's what it's. It's not enough to make that guy. Did you know this is not going well? No, I really I'm really excited about. Yeah, I really like. Right There that. Yeah. So it is a wide variety. Yes. My tires were like, you know, so you have to. Be constantly in contact with. You got a contact. Yeah Yeah. But if it's right or wrong all the does all the time. But even like it doesn't just stop. So you know I haven't responded yet is still on the question. Why did you not reach out to us. Why did you have to go? I know, I know, maybe about seven years. Three I mean, I don't know, I thought it might be. I've never heard that before. It was just so we went to set it for like nine years ago or something like that, set up for seven years free and then going. That was new. I just I saw that you responded to kind of like. Talk about. I still think she's not my person. No Given she's not like an executive decision making kind of person. Maybe she just for me it doesn't I don't I don't think she didn't know about something I don't. Yeah I kind of want an email. What is it already? I don't want to say. That But what is that? Let's make sure something like that. This is dangerous. Yes. I don't know that this is in charge. I get that. Well no no no no no, just be more. You just don't say, he, let's have a meaningful conversation. I think that it should have been fired in my life because it. Was like. So I think the only response is that we're free, professional. I know the only thing I have right now is that level of service. Plus. I did everything I can now they can try to put in something personal, but I have numbers right now. However, I know he was trying to come in the building like, oh yeah, I guess it was there for six. There is no there is no account number associated with it. So no, there's no way to move it. But we can't we can't move it. The system doesn't know how to use it, which to me, even if it's free, you should have some kind of record or account. So if something happens to your house, don't worry about fix whatever, just charge it up and I thought only positive for the following year. It's probably so I don't want to respond to all this. I forgot about myself. I mean, when you saw me, you were. So at this point, I'm just. And I never really got a period where there were government competition. So that may have been how they came up with. I find out, because I have that Excel sheet that I will send that to, that I ran all those things. I don't know that I don't know that. I don't know that. And it's just like I said, at some point in the past, he knows that the person who would be probably like that person, but we don't know. So you know, some inspection would actually have to come. Up. But as far as I know, I thought for two. So So I'm going to circle back again. Well okay. And you can tell me I'm not. 100 knows what I'm saying. I don't think that some of the other people that. I was there and the numbers that I just left and. They got one year contract. They will tell you that they say that. And so I think we're moving along. Definitely never get all. I think they were trying to learn what was that. You know, that was like, I am so-and-so will reach back out to you. Oh, okay. What I got here was I'll have to see what he had to say. I'm so, so right. And I maybe I don't think it's necessary, but I'm just making sure, okay. I just want to. I just like it and return back to, you know, as long as. I mean, if I could say, oh, I talked to him about six weeks, so I know there's no wire in this one. We're getting a lot of service. So you know, is that how we're doing what we're doin? And keep us in the dark. So I do. So what's the charge on that second? Okay. Well, so apparently we're going to have to deal with all those. He may not remember that the government was for 81 something like don't worry about that. So I'm not going to. I mean as you see what's that little sliver of evidence. Yeah. This is the only smart I know. What is this like? I would just like, you know, AT&T just kind of like I'm working on. Yeah, that's what I was. Okay. So kind of like the school I had. No. So what do I have to talk about? The professionals on my side I would say it's kind of all around the golf course. And All right, I don't know if I need to follow up. It's better for the moment. I mean, we know who it is here. Yeah. Tell him and then Ryan, we're talking spectrum. What I all I'm waiting on at this point, the spectrum is there. Their guy. I mean, that's almos. Show anybody spicy for you. We're going to run through five years for us. You guys are facing a possible wall on the outside of the next two. As I on the. But you know, I have one of those. So I don't want to find outside. What about the wall that's not so they rolled up to the job now. But this contract is certainly not affected by that. Something is wrong. I haven't been notified. All right. But that's not really trying to that. That's right. No, I don't want it to be. No no no it's so I'm looking you know probably like to go this week. Oh yeah I don't know I have yeah I just, I don't think they have a construction project holiday outside because unfortunately we're on holiday for. You know. Yeah. I actually I. Know you're required. You do have a plan on that. No. Getting around to find one. Once you start thinking that you get much value. And I'm sure you're like, hey, I turn it off very. I will try to get you at least right now. Okay And I know you're going to be a great pick up for the site, and you. Know is that going to be. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll take. It. All right. Good morning to you. No, I did not say it, but I was not saying. All right I'll keep you updated. Keep you posted. So far. All right. Not part of the problem. All right. So this would be the way it looks. It looks good. Okay. Good Shouldn'. Make it for the look for. And I think that, you know, just that, you know, they'll tell. You know, we can I would tell you. To say that I haven't had lunch, I would say that. That would make sure that all of us are very honest about how much progress it is. I saw that. Okay. So. So. I think that I think you have. To. Understand that the other discussion. That I think. You. And I have probably going to get there. She's going on. So I don't know what you want to just separate things in such a weird conversation. So you're shutting down all the questions you never heard of before. And it's not cheap. That's what we're talking about all the time. Is this you're saying that I read that all the time? Well I have to show you how I feel about this, so you should be able to show that I came home on God. I asked my baby. That is. That she. She looks like she will be back there. That's a place to take the rest of your. That's a great starting to think about all that stuff. How different she was. At that point, I got one here. On the percentage 9%. That's what you're saying. If you read some of that. You know, I started. So that you can get started here. Right? 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Out So I'm here to help you. There are so many things that. You have. To. Have a lot of. Amazing products that make you. But you're already on the clock. Yeah Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah, let me try. To Have. So you think so? I thought about it. Yeah I. Think that. Okay. So I all right. So I. Quite like. That I like. That Okay I said I like. That because there's a lot of that one that I, that you like that you know they're not going to have. Of course. But So. Okay Well. My problem. Is the cost o. The. One way or the other. Okay All right. It can be either way. I used to work. But. Anyways, I mean, there are again, this is something that we have. To. See, I can think about that. All right. Yeah So yeah. So I reall. Okay. All right, I got you. I'm always like you come. To something like this. And that's really. You know. Very affordable and so I would like to I. Would like to see that. So that. I can have. Something that is, that is. I mean, you know, I'm not going to say, you know. As much as I love. That there are some. That you can actually sell and all of that. Right, right. So, so. I was. Also So I said, well, so I want to talk to you and I'll do that or something like that. Yeah. I have a question about the role that. Is available right now. All right. So What we're going to have to go. Like this. Because I. Guess that's all tha. I have. All right. Alert. 37.750. One. But Yeah, it's a nice day. Is that right there or not? Yeah that is right. Up Yea. So that. Was nice. Yeah Yeah. So that's so. So. So. What's up with that? Oh, okay. So. I have only got one time and there was. Something on. That that. Was bad. That wasn't that. Was that so much. So you want to get somebody? Yeah. I mean, that's. Very nice. But I mean, I already called them, and then I called, and so everything was. Done And then. I. Was All right. Thanks. You too. I. Mean or something like that. So. So. Yeah That was, you know what I want to say. So I. Can't say that. I'm so glad that I. Was So, so for all the people out of this conversation. All right. I'm not sure that that I think that that is the best number that I think that you know. I was kind of like, oh, I know how you live. And You. Like, you, compared to other people. So I kind of like that. And then. That's great. And. Then you. ActionScript. So I think that's. The first time where you don't have to go reconciliation. But. That's all right. Really Yeah. Yeah Okay. That was the start of this year. And so they let me know that. That's not so much that they. Should not be. You know that I want to be. Working on. Yeah. Yeah I. Guess I. Like I said. They are going back in there. They're going to be patient with you. So while it seems like I've just got to thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Every now and again to make sure that. Well, it's tempting, but yeah, I'm going to try to hold off. Okay. So far I invented there. Yeah. Change it. Hey. Thanks Okay. So Well, occasionally you have a Great Pyrenees. I do. And the whole time she is 120 pounds of love. I he gets, he gets smaller. One little pocket here. Well, 85 pounds. Yeah. That's pocket. But yeah. Oh my gosh. I just she's the most gentle kind sweet I know you need food in her mouth and take it back out and put food in your mouth and get it. You just you need to gently check. Okay. You want to see how gentle the Pyrenees and not be? Yeah, because they fight like brothers and sisters. Yeah, yeah, but I'm sure if anybody. Oh, no, it's just anything that would be all up in your business. But yeah. Oh, she should be here for ice cream at the end of the block. I've never seen a dog like this in my life. Yeah. So are you ready? Sure. Do I have a choice? Well, I will just. I will tell you one of the pieces of feedback I heard. And you seem to be going very smoothly. Really? Yes. Wow. I'm. I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping it does that for you tonight. Oh, it might not be after I get done. Oh, I got some handouts. Oh yeah. Yeah, you might hear some feedback on it. Yeah Anything, anything anything of note. Well. I wanted. To. Yes. I don't. Yeah And us I think. We go to these citations for all I know. Wow. Yeah Wow. Interesting. Well no, no that's you now. Yeah. I'll show you the statistics. It's disturbing that somebody sent me a spreadsheet of it and see very young officers doing it. And very experienced along with everybod, you know, almost if I were not such a suspicious person, I do not know the rest of this. Is something going on that I can call it? But it's a little because you can only go for lik. Yeah, exactly. Right. So I know that section citations. Yeah yeah. It's driving habits. I mean we have we have seen court revenues are down. Okay. I'll ask the questions. What's going on. With. I now declare the Plano City Council preliminary open meeting is reconvened in open session. That all council members are present. Deputy mayor Pro Tem Julie Holmer will be here shortly. Our first item on the preliminary agendas is consideration and action. Resulting from the executive session. Item two consent and regular agendas. Any item Council member would like to remove. And item three Council items for discussion or future agendas. Well, that took less than a minute. We'll take a recess and start in about seven minutes. All right. I now declare that the Plano City Council is reconvened in open session. That all members are present. We'll begin tonight's regular meeting with the invocation led by Imran Azhar. Subedar with Islamic Association of Collin County. Please join the council reciting the pledge of Allegiance and Texas Pledge. After the invocation, would you please rise? Let us all come together and pray. Dear Lord, in the Quran you are repeatedly referred to as ar-Rahman and al-Rahim, symbolizing the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful. This repetition is a powerful reminder for humanity to embody these virtues, rather than just recite these words alone. Henceforth, in a world marked by division, discord, and distrust. We humbly seek your guidance to help us foster love, empathy, and compassion for one another. We acknowledge our role as stewards of this earth and recognize the responsibility bestowed upon us to uphold goodness and restore it when it wanes. Grant our City Council members the strength and wisdom to serve our community with empathy. Inspire their decisions and actions towards the pursuit of goodness and the well-being of all residents. Bless our homes and neighborhoods with understanding and unity, allowing us to support one another. Guide our efforts through your wisdom as we build a better society, setting an example for future generations to come. Amin. Amen. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honor Jesus Christ. I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas. One state under Go, one and indivisible. Be seated. Thank you. Aiman. Well, since we've moved to the Davis Library, as we are having our council chambers remodeled, I rarely get to do a proclamation anymore. But tonight is the exception. So we have a proclamation to read because it's Hunger Action Month, the September of 2024. And so I'll read it. Whereas Hunger Action Month was established in 2008 by Feeding America and works to promote ways to individuals, organizations and communities everywhere to get involved and help fight the hunger crisis. And Whereas the nationwide campaign strives to mobilize the public into acting on the issue of hunger and to help more than 12.1% of the Collin County population who are food insecure, which includes nearly 1 in 7 children. Whereas, in an effort to raise awareness and curb this trend, we launched a community initiative in 2013 and have received an outpouring of love from our citizens. Last year, the North Texas Food Bank distributed 30,343 backpacks filled with nutritious, kid friendly snacks and 33,350 meal boxes to Pisd Elementary students, which is equal to 235,598 nutritious meals. Whereas the Plano City Council will not relent in its efforts to care for our own. We challenge all of Collin County to get involved. So during the month of September, we will come together to help solve the hunger crisis in North Texas by partnering with all of North Texas to promote and participate in the annual Peanut Butter Drive. There will be both virtual and in-person options for participating. The more we collect, the more impact we make. So now therefore, I, John Muns, mayor of the City of Plano, do hereby proclaim September 2024 is Hunger Action Month in Plano, and I do hereby encourage all citizens to join me. The Plano City Council and the North Texas Food Bank in working together to eradicate hunger in our city, county, state and nation. Thank you. Moving on to the consent agenda, the consent agenda, the consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically noncontroversial. Items may be removed from this agenda for individual discussion by a council member, the city manager, or any citizen. The presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. Mr. mayor, I'd like to make a motio. We approve the consent agenda as presented. Second. Thank you. I have a motion. And second, to approve the consent agenda. All in favor, raise your hand. Motion passes. 8 to 0. Thank yo. Next item. Public hearing items. Applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time, with three minutes assigned per speaker. The presiding officer may amend these times as deemed necessary. Non public hearing items. The presiding officer will permit public comment for items on the agenda, not posted for a public hearing. The Presiding Officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests, length of the agenda and to ensure meeting efficiency, and may include a cumulative time limit. Speakers will be called in the order the requests were received until the cumulative time is exhausted. Item number one. Second reading. Second reading and consideration of an ordinance to grant Denton County Electric Cooperative Incorporated, doing business as Coserv electric, a Texas electric cooperative corporation. Its successors and or assigns a nonexclusive franchise to use the present and future streets, avenues, alleys, roads highways sidewalks easements, and other public rights of way in the city of Plano, Texas. For the purpose of constructing and operating an electric distribution center. Setting forth terms and conditions to govern the franchise, providing a repealer clause, a severability clause, a savings clause, a publication clause, and an effective date. Good evening. Mayor, city council, city executives. I'm Michelle Warner. I'm the senior policy and government relations analyst. Again, this is the second reading of the ordinance between Coserv Electric and the City of Plano. The first reading was held at the July 22nd City Council meeting. Coserv electric provides approximately 10% of Plano's electric infrastructure. Located in the far north and west sections of Plano, and the other 90% is with Oncor, and after tonight's meeting, a caption of the ordinance will be published once a week for four consecutive weeks in the official newspaper of the city of Plano. And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Michelle. Any questions for Michelle? All right. This is the second reading to consider an ordinance in this regard. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Is this a second reading or do we have. Yeah. Do we have. Yes, yes. We need a motion. A motion to approve. Yes. Okay Second. Thank you. Thank you. It was so difficult. I have a motion and a second. All in favor, raise your hand. Thank you. Motion passes. Thank you. Michelle Next item. Public hearing on the fiscal year 20 2425. Recommended budget. The fiscal year 2020 2425. Proposed community Investment Program and the proposed ad valorem tax rat. Is where is Karen? Oh, hi, Kare. Can you hear us? Oh, you're on your mic. I see your lips moving, but she. Doesn't have it on. That's okay. This is a public hearing. Okay Direction is now. So if we wanted to go ahead and do the public hearing piece. Okay Okay, I'll open the public hearing. There are no speakers on this item. I'll close the public hearing. Confine the comments to the council. This is, This is a the public hearing we didn't. Oh we don't get to vote on any of it. Okay, let's go to item three. Item number three, discussion and direction regarding the fiscal 20 2425 recommended budget. Mayor and Council as you as you recall, we've had about a month with the budget. Now, I know we've had a number of questions that we've been able to talk about with council members answering questions, we do have one outstanding issue right now that I'm aware of, which is, the compensation piece. We had a discussion about the median plus five versus an across the board, my sense from council was there was a, leaning towards the median plus 5%. But I know that there was a couple council members that said they needed some additional time with that, and we will be bringing this back September 9th for final adoption. From the city council. So if you would want to provide that direction at this time, that will help us finalize some pieces with HR and make sure we're able to progress with that, but other than that, we'd be happy to take any questions and provide any other feedback you would like in regards to the, the median plus five or the across the board is everybody okay with the median plus five? Yeah. Mayor. I was just going to add one thing and I'll ask Mark because, you know, we've had some questions from your constituents, even though we're we're doing a very good, tax rate number based on what's going on. Some other areas in North Texas. I was just asking you. I've been asked. You feel very confident that I know you and staff. You've really scoured, you know, the budget and gone through there. And I know Casey and I kind of got a little feedback because we killed one thing that was only 100 and some thousand dollars, but every little dollar helps. You're you're confident that we've perused that enough, and we've really squeezed it as much as we can to get the budget down as low as we can. Yes, Councilman. We we've gone through and as you as you're aware, we have gone through, we have eliminated 12 positions. We have gone through, we have a hiring freeze in place. We have gone through individual department budgets and asked for, dollars to be returned that are in things like training and travel in materials and supplies to try to make sure that we're balancing the budget by both eliminating expenses and then controlling future costs in this. So we're looking at at one time as well as recurring costs in that. So we have been through the budget several times. We are going to continue to go through that budget as well next year because we still have work to do for future years. But yes, we've been through this a number of times. Great. And with that, I knew that would be a good answer, that I'm supportive of the median plus 5% and the budget and tax rate as a whole. Okay Anthony, I know you had some thoughts. Yes Thank you mayor. Well, first, I guess to kind of take these two in sequence, I absolutely support the median plus five that we've been talking about. I think it's vital to do that for our employees, then I don't know if you want me to talk about the tax rate now or if we want to finish the median plus five discussion. Mayor, I can do whatever you prefer. Is everybody okay with with with giving direction to Mark in regard to that? Yeah I mean yeah. Okay. Got it. Go ahead. Oh well thank you mayor. And I know we've discussed the tax rate a few times, so I'll try to I'll try to keep this as brief as I can. I want to start out by saying that from some of the comments at the last meeting, I think that that my, my comments may have been a bit misunderstood. I want to be very clear as I as I've told, City Manager Israelsen Director Rhodes Whitley and our entire, you know, budget and research team, I want to be clear that I think this has been an extremely proactive budget, really excellent work in response to the fiscal crunch that we find ourselves in. And, you know, the staff has demonstrated tremendous professionalism and transparency and certainly has my trust, as I know, is the case for all of us as we've discussed, some of the trends that we're facing are nonetheless extremely challenging. Flattening of certain revenues, spikes in certain expenses. And that make it inevitable that there will be an impact somewhere in the budget, as a philosophical poin, I still believe that a tax rate of 41.7 $0.06, those impacts are allocated too heavily to property tax payers as opposed to other places. They could be allocated. I've talked about philosophically, for me, the twin constraints that we have to take care of our employees and we have to take care of our taxpayers. And I'm very glad that we found the money for our employees so that we can do our medium plus five compensation philosophy. That was vitally important to do, and I'm glad we did that. I think it's important that we also take that same approach of finding additional money for our taxpayers. This is not at all an indictment of the city. Again, I think tremendous work has been done on this budget, but I still think we have opportunities to go a little farther, a couple of things in that regard, the certified tax rolls came in a little bit higher than, what was budgeted in the June 24th city manager's recommended budget. Specifically, they came in about $1,015,000 higher in terms of the property tax amount that would be collected at 41.7 $0.06. And I also talked at the last meeting, and I know on this one I'm I'm tilting at windmills, so I'll keep it brief because I, I think I'm, I think I'm, not in the majority on this one, but I would apply the economic development cap of $8.5 million a year retroactively resulting in a refund of $2.7 million to the general fund. Between that extra $1,015,000 and the 2.7 million that would be, refunded. I think we could get a little below the one year VAR of 41.25. I understand that's that would be my preference, but I understand that's probably not, the preference of the entire council. So what I was going to suggest instead is that we have budgeted a one time expenditure for $615,000 for, the zoning and subdivision ordinance rewrite consultant work with Freese and Nichols. That obviously is a one time expense. And so between that $615,000 and the additional $1,015,000, that was not budgeted in the June 20th July 24th, recommended budget that came in from the higher property valuations and the certified tax rolls that would yield about $1.63 million, which I think would enable us to get the tax rate down to around 41.5, and that would that would again just be saying that we're going to adjust the tax rate to not collect the additional that we hadn't budgeted a month ago anyway, of $1,015,000 from the property values being slightly higher than we anticipated. And then, using that refund from the economic Development Incentive Fund to pay for the one time expenditure of, of the $615,000 in consultant fees for the zoning and subdivision ordinance rewrite. And again, that those two steps, by my calculations, I'd defer to staff on the exact number, but I think it would get us around 41.5. It would. It would show our taxpayers that we're doing something to provide relief this year, even though it wouldn't be a huge amount. And, and then I think that the rest of that, if the council wanted to do this, the rest of that refund to the general fund from the economic development incentive cap being applied retroactively could be transferred to the rainy day fund to accomplish part of what City Manager Israelsson had proposed with the 2.8 million. So I would I would propose those changes to the budget, and I'd love to hear what others thoughts are. Shelby I appreciate all of that. My concern with the zoning rewrite is that we are fully switching gears into a redeveloping city, and I'm concerned that with a lot of the redevelopment we have coming up, we're going to stymie our own efforts and perhaps, entail unintended consequences if we don't get the zoning and ordinance rewrites done soon. However, conversely, I would be okay dipping into the economic development transfer because we have invested a lot over the past several years in economic development incentives. And I think tapping the brakes on that a little bit in a year like this might not be a bad thing. And if I could clarify just one thing quickly on that, I wasn't suggesting not doing the zoning and subdivision ordinance rewrite. I was saying, since that's a one time expenditure, it wouldn't have the concerns that City Manager Israelsson raised last time about, about a refund from the Economic development Incentive Fund being used for recurring expense. It would be used on two one time expenses. The zoning and subdivision ordinance rewrite, and then a one time transfer to the rainy day fund that was just to clarify. I wasn't saying we wouldn't do it. Okay, well, in any case, I'm not in favor of postponing it at all. But I see what you mean. Now Rick. Thank you. Appreciate the comments, both from Councilman Williams and Councilman Ricciardelli, where I'm having the issue is on economic development. Fully realized that our our sales tax revenue right now is 50% of our, total revenue of the ad valorem. They're equal. Whereas several years back, we had more in sales tax. Right. And right now we are competing hard with our neighbors to the north. Okay And we're competing hard with Dallas to keep businesses here. We need to increase the sales tax revenue. And most of that's coming from business to business. And so I think it's imperative I think it's shortsighted to, to short sheet economic development for this just one year when we have so much opportunity facing us of bringing businesses here that want to relocate to Plano, and I want them to live, work and play in Plano, that has been our philosophy for years. We got too many vacant offices out here. We got some great buildings out there. So I think it's imperative that we keep moving forward with economic development so we can bring relief to the residents. Okay. That's the whole reason we want to increase that, that business to business sales tax. So I think you know, unfortunately our property values have gone u. That's is that a good thing or a bad thing. It's a bad thing if you're paying property tax on i. Right. But it's a good thing if you go to sell your home, you're going to hope to recapture that value. It's one of those elements there. We can't short sheet one path forward because we gain value in our property. That's just as simple as that. So I think we have to continue moving forward with our 4176 and just try to do the best we can to bring in businesses here to Plano. Simple as that. Okay Mayor Pro Tem. So Councilman Ricciardelli, I just wanted to say that this is the last year we're doing budget together, but I want to be I want to show my appreciation for the many years that I've been on council with you, that you are so, good with numbers because I can't even add one plus one together and you're able to, you know, pretty much dissect the entire budget plan, even though I don't agree with you in general, I but I appreciate your input every step of the way. I don't want you to think that, you know, just because I disagree with you, I don't. However, I, I totally agree with, Councilman Horn that, we really need to look at a big picture at what we want for the city of Plano and what we need to. How are we going to move forward? Plano as pretty much a quasi, after mid-age type city and pretty much now need redevelopment more than it needs new development. How are we going to compete with our younger, sexier neighbors? And how are we going to stay relevant? That's what the mayor says. So I truly believe that, those numbers that you just put out, that if there is that extra, then perhaps that could be used in our next year's budget, but I don't like to count my chickens until I have it. I mean, it's I don't know if that number is really there. I mean, right now it's all just, you know, on the chart and in, in theory. So if it does happen next year, that these numbers in fact become reality, I'd like to see that being applied. And I would ask that the city manager bring that to our attention, because I would like to see Anthony Ricciardelli, let legend to continue in that respect. But I also want to say that I did not, I decided to buy a house rather than rent and obviously, you know, when you're buying a house or renting, you have to go through two different types of comparison. I mean, is it worth it to rent or is it worth it to buy? And ultimately I decided to buy a house knowing that I have to pay property tax, knowing I have to pay utility, knowing that I have to. You know, increase maintenance and all this, everything that comes with owning a house. Because I believe I'm investing in my house and it's a savings for me rather than renting. So yes. Ultimately it may sound like it's a little bit more, but, my mortgage ended up being a lot less than what I would have to pay for a rental. You know, in equal comparison. So I just think that we are getting a really great value in Plano for what we pay in taxes. And, and we need to continue to attract people, our families, our younger families and our and to have our senior citizens feel that they can downsize and allowing other people to come in. I mean, those are all important things. And trying to nickel and dime a city. It's just not the way to make sure that we continue to be a city of excellence. That's that's how I feel. Obviously, I understand the need to, you know, to tighten our belt. So anyway, I just wanted to show my appreciation. Thank you, Anthony, for that. But I you know, like I said, I don't agree with that. Well, I just want to say thank you for the kind words. Mayor Pro Tem, I'll miss working with you and all of y'all on on budgets as well. I don't know if anyone else will miss that, but but anyway, and I just want to be clear on on Council Member Horn's point, I support economic development. It's obviously going to be imperative with the challenges we're facing to maintain our commercial tax base. And I know that the mayor and city manager and director McDonald and, and everyone are all working so hard on that. But what I was all I was saying is just that we have this current cap of 8.5 million. There were two years prior to that where the transfer I don't have it in front of me, but it was something like 9.4 and then somewhere around 10.2 million. I was just saying we would undo that, retroactively apply the 8.5 million cap. But I just want to be clear, I support our economic development efforts because they're necessary to maintain our commercial tax base. Thanks. Well I, I, like many of you, understand we're we're really needing to tighten our belt. And I think Mark and his staff have done that, this will be the same tax rate as last year, at 41, 76, we work so very hard to make sure that we have a, a strong sales tax and even harder for our commercial property tax. That's equal to our residents, which is very rare in the state of Texas. We have a 5050 commercial over residential. And so that in and of itself is amazing that we can continue to increase that because we have that opportunity to attract companies to come here. And then those companies employees live here, work here, eat here, shop here, all the kind of things that we need to continue to raise revenue, we have one of the lowest tax rates in, in all of North Texas, we are we are doing a terrific job, but at the same time, even with that possible overage, we still have a couple of months left in the budget cycle. We really need to make sure that we are managing our budget in a way that we're not putting ourselves in jeopardy, with just the idea of having a little bit more money. So I, I supportive of the 4176, which is equal to last year's number. It would stay the same. And, again, I, I think we're, we're going to make that decision on September 9th. Correct Any other comments? All right. Shelby just real quick as I've mentioned a couple of times in prior meetings, we have one of the lowest tax rates because we have one of the highest property values in North Texas. What's the most important thing to measure is the value that our citizens are getting for their tax dollars spent. And whether it's one of the lowest rates with one of the highest property values, or one of the highest rates with one of the lowest property values, when our citizens invest in the city, whether it's our residential, if you count multifamily, it's actually 62.5% residential versus 37.5% business commercia. But, the value that people get for their tax dollars is what makes Plano the city of excellence. And that's what we want to keep driving toward. All right. Okay. We will move on to comments of public interest, comments of public interest. This portion of the meeting is to allow up to three minutes per speaker, with 30 total minutes on items of interest or concern, and not on items. Not on items that are on the current agenda. The council may not discuss these items, but may respond with factual or policy information. The council may choose to place the item on a future agenda, and we do have one speaker this evening. Let me get him moved in. Okay. Mr. Lyle. Mr. Lyle, if you'll go ahead and turn on your camera. Go ahead. Just a minute, Mr. Lyle, for having audio trouble. So hold on. Just a moment. Please try again. Mr. Lyle. Okay. Hold on. Just a minute, Mr. Lyle. Mr. Lyle, we're going to call you and try to just hold the phone up to a microphone. There being no further business, we're adjourned. So I talked to you. I keep my promise. I didn't talk to you. Did good. Thank you. I longer than you did. And I appreciated every word you.