combinating for like the new athletic facilities the new uh middle school as well as expansions for the high school so the preliminary site plan that you're approving today will kind of be the I guess the end goal they have in mind for the whole campus including all four Lots um but this way that they can do uh site plans for each slot separately without having to overlap with each other in the I guess construction timeline okay so we are appr proving the one which is dividing into four laws and second part is the all the detailed plans on the side plan is that correct yeah correct and the parking spaces that are U proposed um on this T the table that on the previous slide that uh those are the park number of parking that's proposed on this particular s plan is that correct yes correct okay got you thank you Mr Bender thank you chairman I just wanted to clarify a couple items so the Middle School lot to um currently showing 183 parking spots is that correct yes that's correct and the the revised plan is 99 to the chart in the original no it's it's showing that the required is 99 versus 183 oh yes and yes I just wanted to make the the comment that typically middle schoolers don't even drive to school so we're talking about parking spaces that are probably not going to be applicable um and do you happen to know from the applicant is there a current parking issue right now uh I'm not aware of one but the I believe the applicant is available questions is that right okay yes the applicant is here yeah I'd just be curious to know if there's currently a parking issue I I don't believe there is but just be curious we we'll get the applicant up here once we open the public hearing we can ask him questions at than I would also like to add though to your point that the parking spaces are effectively managed by one entity and the lot lines were really drawn for construction purposes but in the end the parking spaces are really serving some of the outdoor recreation facilities that'll be used by both schools all right commissioner brunov thank you Mr chairman um do you happen to have any information on on the whether or not there are unutilized parking spaces at the present time on the property and if so how many uh I'm not aware of that at this time um the applicant may be able to provide that okay I'll ask the applicant thank you okay thank you commissioner L Felder I was gonna ask similar questions basically I wanted to find out if you did some kind of parking analysis um obviously I'm I actually graduate from planum Senior High back before West didn't exist so uh but I do know you know when you have 3,000 plus students along with all those teachers um 1,500 parking spots may become a premium um for many so just uh just uh you know doing the math when you talk about 3,000 students Juniors and seniors all driving not middle schoolers actually high schoolers in this case um it could potentially be a problem so I just uh had a question about that Mr Kim if I remember correctly the parking is based on capacity correct the enrollment may be much less I believe we did discuss that with the outet maybe they can elaborate on that yeah I'd like to just find that out because obviously I know it's based on occupancy and and you know or not or well the square footage or whatever the case may be but you know but this is we do know the logistics of the enrollment as well and so if you're going less you know you might be causing more issues so correct all right any other technical questions for staff I commissioner L I wanted to know if you like the city allow street parking in that area like on west side and if it happen how are we going to control it yes unless that's restricted by signage that there's no parking and typically there can be on street parking they're not allowed to count those towards their parking counts yes um but um as long as it's not as long as it's not signed off for no parking they can't park there thank you right commissioner brunov yeah thank you Mr chairman um I can answer commissioner Al Al's question uh my wife happens to attend um deep water aerobics classes at the Aquatic Center which happens to be located on lot three on this plat I've driven with her to that facility you know from time to time and there are always cars parked on Westside Drive but but there are also vacant parking places on the school parking lot at the same time so yes the cars can park on west side and they do that doesn't necessarily mean that there's spill over that's thank you commissioner any other technical questions seeing none I'll open the public hearing do we have any speakers for this item thank you the applicant is available for questions and we have one registered opinion in support okay if the applicant would come forward I think we sounds like we have a couple of questions for you if you just introduce yourself and for the record please yes sir um I'm my name is Ronnie King Bell I'm with r engineering uh our address is 111 West Main Street in Allen Texas and I'll be glad to attempt to answer any questions all right um if you can kind of you you heard the questions about parking can you just give give us kind of some background information about the parking counts capacity versus usage usage yes yes sir um it's my understanding that the districts due to the demographic changes in within the district um you know the the city of Plano is maturing if you will and I know their student population throughout the the district is is trending downward and it's my understanding currently they have enough parking spaces on campus and the district feels like you know if they needed additional parking they would they would add them but due to the fact that their student population is in a downward Trend and they expect that to continue in the future they feel like the number of parking that they have is is is currently adequate so all right questions for the applicant anybody all right thank you very much appreciate your input thank you any other speakers on this item there are none okay close the public hearing um Commissioners any additional comments commissioner ali uh I move we approve agenda item number one rep as submitted and U take the uh uh the city's uh recommendation to approve the 13.2 to parking reduction as requested commissioner Tong I second commissioner Bender I I was going to Second so I'm good all right um any other comments before we before we vote nobody uh please cast your vote motion passes 8 to zero thank you very much item number two agenda item number two public hearing preliminary replot and preliminary site plan Plano East Senior High School Edition block one Lot 1 R public school on one lot on 67.1 Acres located at the northeast corner of Los Ros Boulevard and maramman drive zoned to State development applicant is Plano Independent School District this item is for administrative consideration pending Board of adjustment approval of a zoning ordinance variance good evening Commissioners my name is Destiny Woods planner with the planning department um and on the screen we have a the preliminary replat and the revised site plan associated with this development so the purpose of this revised site plan is to show the proposed building expansion um of one of the buildings baseball and softball dugouts tennis courts and added parking um so previously a preliminary replat or excuse me a preliminary site plan uh was approved by the Planning and Zoning commission subject to variances for by the board of adjustment um to reduce the 100 foot bleacher setback allow a fence to be less than 50 um% open in construction and reduce the required amount of parking by 41% these variances were denied by the board of adjustment and the applicant came back with a different request and updated design um so the site was redesigned to meet the fence and bleacher requirements add 18 parking spaces and request the following parking reductions um so [Music] they they have increased those par Spaces by 18 spaces and they're requesting a 10% storm water conservation reduction from staff um 20% reduction from this commission and if the 20% reduction is approved by this commission then they would need a 10.9% reduction from the board of adjustment um the conditions for a 20% Planning and Zoning issued parking reduction have been met as noted in the the staff report um an approval of the revised site plan will allow the applicant to submit a variance request um to the board of adustment and um the preliminary replat is recommended for approval subject to additions and Alterations by the engineering department um and the revised site plan is also recommended for approval subject to the board of adjustment approval of um the variance for 270 parking spaces and I'm happy to answer any questions commission technical questions for the staff commissioner oi I just one recaping so it's still the 41% reduction ultimately but they are utilizing the stum water conservation reduction which staff can grant and pnz is 20% leaving them with only 10% .9 with the board that's right the feedback from the board seems to suggest their denial was on the setback was there any specific feedback from the board on parking reduction um so when the board of adjustment variances were denied they were denied as one but um most of the discussion surrounded around the bleachers and the proximity to the uh neighborhood nearby okay thank you commissioner bronsky so I know we've talked a lot about uh a sea of parking and the problems we have through the city but I look at a 41% reduction and I've got to ask myself so I'm going to ask you uh if we're requiring 2551 but we're comfortable reducing it by 41% where is our calculus wrong in uh what our requirements are at the beginning um so that standard has been set by our zoning ordinance um and so those are things that may be addressed later when we decide to rewrite our zoning ordinance um but as far as why that's the requirement that's just what was decided on a while back when it was drafted that way yeah typically what's used in those are na standards on there companies that perform studies on how many parking spaces are or or how much parking is demand is generated for these types of uses um my only assumption is that at the time when this ordinance was written probably decades ago the demand at the high schools was higher we see less demand for um students with driver's licenses now plus we have um reduction in enrollment and so I think that's really what's Driven the number that's in the zoning ordinance today it's something we should definitely look at with the rewrite to see if there are updated national standards on parking demand um I also want to add for all three of these high school sites I was I was unable to ascertain why um but the previous plans approved for these sites um decades ago had a lower parking count um we've applied the new require the current requirements based on capacity as as it is today but there was there actually an increase in parking on all three of these high school sites so it may not look like that based on the pure table but on the on the ground there are more spaces for each of these sites so when you say uh lower are you saying lower than what we're approving or are you saying lower than what the re request uh required parking is lower than the required parking per the ordinance but it is more physical parking spaces on the site than exist today okay no I and I can as again I can appreciate this I think I just I want to be very careful as we Grant Grant these that we you know we realize that once this is granted this is no takeback and you know should there be neighbors and others unhappy because there are parking related issues we're stuck and a 41% reduction is a very large reduction to be granting and I just want to point that out uh I want to make sure that we're careful about granting something this size simply for the reason that once it's there if they have problems we can't fix it thank you commissioner dong thanks Mr chairman I have a similar concern as uh um commissioner U bronsky uh regarding the why and I appreciate uh Mr Bell explained that that we wanted to get the why but I don't think you got the why we just know that it's going to happen um so I guess this might be question to the applicants are the applicants here today because we need to know why they are doing this reduction right they'll be up in the public hearing so we can ask them then okay yeah then that'll be for the applicant thank you commissioner L uh I had similar concern too because you like I thought that um actually if we give them the storm conservation we're going to be giving them 30% of parking reductions and are they adding to the school so if the enrollment is lower why are they adding I assume classes and uh labs and all other facilities right so it looks like it's like a conflicting right so that's my concern um in my understanding they're adding to um a like a gym area so to expand the size I could be mistaken but also for storm a storm shelter as well is going into what the purpose of the building expansion is but the applicant might be able to go into more detail commissioner Bender thank you thank you chairman uh just one comment that typically at the high school level Senior High School level the school controls parking permits so it's somewhat uh you know they they manage the parking that's a privilege so it's not that just you know we have 3,000 people show up and they're parking in neighborhoods and everything I don't think that's the case I believe that there are parking permits required that the school issues in order to park on campus so uh I think there's a control in situation there just a comment thank you commissioner Oli uh I wanted to see if Mike can go forward on the Nugget he dropped so with the 15 16 spaces you're saying it will an increase from what is on ground today did I read that correctly yes I I believe that's correct there was the original plans had a much lower parking requirement and I don't know why um the math was not shown in the in the capacity at that time it just was a lower number so we're using the capacity based on what the architect has given us with these updated plans and arrived at this higher number therefore I think that's what's really driving the reduction is they're trying to meet what they already have on site plus some additional spaces right so while technically it's a 41% reduction it's actually getting more parking okay that's correct um question for me is it a coincidence that both of these high school sites have roughly the same amount of parking or is that um I think that might be a coincidence okay it just seemed like both of them needed about 1,00 spaces so uh it seemed awfully convenient that they were within 50 spaces of each other so all right any other technical questions for the staff seeing none I'll open the public hearing do we have any speakers on this item the applicant is available for questions and we had one registered opinion in support of the item okay if the applicant had come down again and introduce yourself for the record again and then answer our questions about the parking again please yes sir my name's Ronnie kingwell I'm with oral engineering and reside at 111 West Main Street in Allen Texas and uh I think I might be the one in favor because I had to check a box there so and uh yeah one thing I'd like to mention too I know uh you talked about why U are the requirements the way they are I know um for instance on the elementary school and uh I know Mr Bell may be able to correct me but I believe it's one per 17 students is a requirement for an elementary school and for instance on an elementary school with 800 students at 1 to 17 you only need 47 parking spaces which really the district typically likes to have about 110 parking spaces ate at elementary school as as kind of a rule of thumb so yeah is the maybe the ordinance maybe need might need to be looked that I mean kind of in the on the flip side for elementary schools because that's probably a little low so um the high schools and and like was it was mentioned earlier the uh the U for whatever reason the the existing uh parking spaces at the at the high school uh we're not uh we're not reducing what's there today um it the directive we were given was to maintain that the number that's there uh as closely as possible because uh there all the Lots right now from what I understand or not being 100% utilized and U they want to make the district wants to make certain that remains the case and these u u additions are uh majority of the additions were for athletic purposes and just upgrade the facilities that it's not for an in increas in student population um so anyways that's just what I'd like to add so all right any questions for the applicant Mr oy yes sir just one do you have a rough estimate of what is on ground in terms of parking right now uh the total number yeah I do not off the top of my head I was thinking it was 15 or 1600 I'm getting 1500 100 1,498 there we go oh that's very precise 1498 so we are adding 18 Parkins mons okay yes sir yes sir right any other questions for the applicant commissioner do you have any you know like a report or analysis how many parking spots that are are not used right now on campus I do not I do not know or did the school district do these kind of uh analysis or research um I'm sure the school does I I'm not aware of what it is I just know they're not utilizing all of them that's what I just you like if they do it'll help us make the decision if they're not using all their existing parking spaces so it's easier for us to know that it's not you like like you're saying probably the ordinances has some yes ma' yeah that's right thank you thank you any other questions for the applicant seeing none thank you sir appreciate your time thank you I close the public hearing restrict comments to the commission commissioner oi again this seems to be a just a consequence of them being going through the process of replatting and what have you and triggering so it's while on the face of it it looks like a massive reduction in reality is not so with that in mind I recommend I move we approve uh the pre preliminary replat subject to additions and alterations to the engineering plans as required by the engineering department and approved the revised site plan or recommend for approval to the board of adjustment of a variance to subsection 16.7 of the zon in ordinance reduce the required amount of parking by 270 spaces thank you Comm Tong I had a question but now I think I'm going to go ahead and second and then we can put com we can discuss yeah all right so second second all right um so comments yes um my question actually is more for um probably Mike and our staff members because it sounds like this they're already parkings there and the actual parking there is more than their uh required I guess right now it's required 1516 no sorry it's providing 1516 and they have more than 1516 they have 1498 they have 1498 yes and they're providing 1516 they're proposing okay they're proposing 1516 right and when did they get the 1498 approved a long time ago okay so when they were approved did they have a like a a variance or something is that still available we were looking into that and we're unable to find any um decisive information as to whether they got a reduction or some other mechanism to reduce their parking or if there was simply just a a capacity um difference in calculation on capacity at the time okay so my question is that should we just because I'm thinking like this is maybe a correcting an error that has happened before uh instead of approving a reduction of the plan based on the needs or analysis or anything because we don't have any plans we don't have any information from the school district I appreciate this engineer comes down to be the applicant but it sounds like he doesn't know anything about the why or how and how they got the number and we don't know how they had the number there's no analysis there's no usage the only thing the only reason why we're doing that is because there was an error it's already on the ground and we have to approve it because it's better than the error on the ground is that right I don't I wouldn't characterize it quite that way um I believe we do actually have usage rates that was presented to board of adjustments so um Mr Rockery has provided me some information they have a actually for each parking lot um they range from anywhere from up to 40% of the spaces being used up to 100% I guess those parking lots closest are probably the 100% but there is a um a range that they did provide for Port of adjustment to justify their their variance at that time so we could provide that information to you if it's helpful okay thank you so I have a question then um just to follow up on commissioner Tong's question if it's been existing out there at 1498 for however many years are we are we aware of any enforcement issues any complaints from The Neighbors about any parking challenges that they have had are Transportation traffic engineering department does review these plans and typically we'll bring those up during review and they did not bring any to our attention so I can only assume the answer is no okay so they had no objection no recognition that there was a previous problem that needed to be solved correct okay all right any other comments we have a motion and a second on the floor a motion by commissioner oi seconded by commissioner Tong um any other comments all right everybody please vote motion passes eight to zero all right um at the discretion of the chair I'm going to rearrange the agenda a little bit because we have a lot of Staff members here for item number four and not nearly as many staff members here for items number 3A and 3B so I'm sorry for the ones that are here for 3A and 3B but uh I'm going to I'm going to jump the line um so if we can read number four please items for individual consideration non-public hearing items the presiding officer will permit limited public comment for items on the agenda not posted for a public hearing the presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests linked up the agenda and to ensure meeting efficiency may include a total time limit agenda item agenda by item number four discussion and action conformance of proposed 2025 Bond referendum items with the comprehensive plan consideration of the proposed 2025 Bond referendum items and conformance with the comprehensive plan applicant a city of Plano this item is for legislative consideration good evening Commissioners my name is Drew Broner lead planner with the planning department I will briefly introduce this item given the number of guest speakers that we have the 2025 Bond referendum is intended to advance the city's mission of providing outstanding services and Facilities through Cooperative efforts that engage our citizens and contribute to the quality of life in in our community the Planning and Zoning commission's role is to ensure the proposed projects align with the policies and action statements of the city's comprehensive plan this review is provided as a best practice in the bond referendum process and does not involve evaluating individual projects for implement ation the bond referendum project type should broadly reflect the city's long-term goals as outlined in the comprehensive plan decisions on specific projects are made each year through the annual budget and CIP process the commission has an ongoing role in reviewing proposed CIP projects each year to ensure they align with Comprehensive plan policies and address the needs of both existing and future development this ensures consistency between long-term planning goals and short-term project implementation there are several comprehensive plan policies appable to the proposed Bond referendum and are identified in detail in the staff report in summary the facilities and infrastructure policy and actions provide guidance for the planning and implementation of City improvements in relates to the proposed list of Bond referendum projects as a whole whereas the other identified policies provide more specific direction for the funding of certain project categories these include the policies listed here on the screen under the built social and natural environment comprehensive plan pillars and with that I'll turn it over to Karen RH Whitley for the bond referendum presentation good evening I'm Karen RH Whitley I'm the budget director here at the city of Plano thank you so much for having us out this evening we are here to discuss the STA recommended projects that the city council will be considering in January to go on the election which is scheduled for May 3rd 2025 what the city council does do they utilize all the boards and commissions within the city including Planning and Zoning we also have a bond referendum citizen advisory committee that has been meeting since August they are scheduled to deliberate what they think should be on the bond package tomorrow all the boards and commissions including the citizen advisory committee is supposed to turn us in their recommendations from the list that has been prescribed to you and those will be given to the city council the city council in the month of January will be deciding the final projects that will go before the voters they will call an election I think it's scheduled for February 13th and then of course the election will be May 3rd tonight we do have all the participants we call it the bond referendum Road Show and we have all the staff members who are in charge of these projects to go individ digitally uh through the actual project so right now I will call up Ron Smith and here he comes he's going to discuss the parks and rack projects oh before you get up here real quick Ron the total right now on the bond referendum is $7.7 million we have $342 million in Street Improvement projects we have parks and wreck that totals 51.6 million Public Safety projects total 243.166 million and then Library facilities total $4.6 million so we will individually go through these thank you Ron before you before we get started with staff presentations um that's okay I just want to preface for everybody um our role here tonight is not to evaluate deliberate or otherwise rank um any of the any of the proposals before us our job is to evaluate whether or not we believe that those that are on the list um are in conformance with the comprehensive plan whether they're good projects or bad projects is not up to us our job is to decide whether it is in consistent with comprensive plan correct yes that is correct okay so while we may have opinions about projects that's not our job here tonight our job here tonight is to make sure they're consistent with the comprehensive plan so with that said uh commissioner bronsky do you have comment as well I have a question I'm sorry what what was your name again I'm so sorry what what was your name again oh Karen roads Whitley I'm the budget director thank you Miss RADS Whitley so you made the statement that the council um relies on all the boards commissions to provide their recommendations that's correct so but this isn't our our recommendation is it it is what I am understanding from Mr Ratliff y'all are coining the different projects to the master plan right if for some reason you want to write in normally what the boards and commissions do do is yes they feel like you know this should go forth and they approve these projects that for some reason you want to add in a project or something on your recommendation y'all can do that but really on P and Z normally what you're doing is to see if it goes to the master plan okay and my second question is so the list that's been proposed is not the final list if I'm understanding correct that is correct this all the boards and commissions and citizen advisory committee all they're doing is looking at the list and telling the city council if they agree with the list the city council they're the ones that in January are going to decide what projects go for to the voters that is completely a city council job so in in our statement of what we're looking at conforms with the plan that would not impute that if something were added after our meeting it would be our approval for it would it no that would not because the city council's the ones I I don't think anything's going to be added sir so the city council they're just looking to see if y'all agree with this this is a staff recommended list the city council will get all the boards and commissions the citizen advisory committee their recommendations it's the city council it is their job to decide what projects go forth so if they add something in January is it going to come back through y'all no I just we we don't have that much time to do that no and I completely understand I I just I've got some confusion with some of the language that you're using compared to the language that the chair is using as it relates to our recommendation as far as the list versus our idea that it conforms with the comprehensive plan and so I'm trying to clarify that okay Peter do you want to help me here at the end of the day y'all are looking at the list we're going to provide what's on the list well my my understanding of our role tonight is to review the list if to see if we agree that the list of projects are consistent with the goals of the master plan if we find something that we don't believe is consistent with the master plan then it's Our obligation to remove it um or but I in your recommendation that you you think this should be removed correct so if but I I don't believe in my opinion that it's our necessary prerogative to say well we ought to also do X that that our job is to evaluate consistency with the comprehensive plan and that's exactly what I was trying to clarify right her terminology of our recommendations as it related to the list I didn't find that language to match with what you were saying that was that was what I was trying to clarify to understand what our role is especially with new Commissioners on here since the last time we've done this uh if the language is such that it's our recommendation versus our position of the Conformity there's totally different roles okay what I remember of the memo going out all the the boards and commissions okay y'all y'all's main job at the city of Plano is to make sure it conforms if for some reason there is some projects you want to add you can include it on your recommendation okay but the main job is to make sure it matches up with the what y'all do so what we what we're being asked tonight just to be clear I have I actually have a letter that I'm being asked to sign at the end of let me read the letter the letter that the letter that we will hopefully send tonight to Mr isson is that the planning and Zone commission has reviewed the 25 Bond referend of items and found the projects to be consistent with the comprehensive plans policies and actions for facility and infrastructure management not whether we approve of them or not not whether we like or don't like any particular recommendation correct our job is to evaluate it consistent with the comprehensive plans policies and actions for facility and infrastructure management as it relates to what's being presented not what ultimately may end up happening correct the list that's in front of us tonight yes yeah whether they choose to edit that is up to the council that's a city council correct and I want remind the commission that this is the first step the bond gets approved they come back they end up getting putting in the CIP City's CIP budget every year that CIP comes back to the Planning and Zoning commission every summer for recommendation with more specific dollars and projects right these are more broad brush items so so I I appreciate your patience with just trying to make sure we got all the language correct to understand what we're doing okay okay thank you commissioner bronsky commissioner brunov did you have a quick comment oh Karen come back come on up here there's another question for you come back come back come back sorry we'll get to the presentations in a second let's make sure everybody knows what we're trying to accomplish tonight we're we're not through beating up on you yet it's okay you're not what no never mind no I just had a question do you think that there is any realistic chance that for example due to action by the citizens advisory committee or one of the other boards and commissions that this list could change before it goes to the council will it change before it goes to council no okay the the list I have in my hand yeah that y'all have been submitted is the list that will show up on the city council's desk January 13th 2025 okay along with that list is y'all's letter the cultural arts letter the Park Place planning board's letter the historic commission's letter they'll review the letters that you submit them and the everything else is a city council everything else no I understand it I just wanted to make sure that the list that we are looking at will be the same list that the council will also see that's correct okay thank you okay commissioner bronsky one more thing real quick sorry yes uh I want to go back to your comment about if we decided we wanted to add something than what he just said his question then so there is a is is there a possibility from some other board making a recommendation that's outside of this list that there could be something ending up on Council different than what we're seeing because your term earlier was that if somebody on this commiss the city council if they want to add something to the already existing list they're allowed to do that in January that wasn't my question so my question was you said that if we wanted to add a recommendation as the commission we could do so and all the other commissions could do that as well yeah so then it's conceivable that what ends up on their desk is different than what we're looking at today no because the that sir the once again they're going to get this list it's 7007 million behind the list are going to be y'all's recommendation letters that's all it is sir it's just a recommendation letter did you know did y'all go through it did did it come up and uh with the comprehensive plan the city council will look at those letters at the end of the day they're going to decide the propositions okay it's all up to the city council sir ma'am I think I think we understand that but that's your your the question I think I think that's not let's let's get to the staff presentations and then we can ask them questions at the end there you go I think um we understand our charge here tonight which is to see if it complies with the comprehensive plan and um so let's evaluate it based on that and then um yeah commissioner Tong do you have a quick question before we get to the staff presentations a little bit I think there's a misunderstanding between Mr um Bron uh bronsky and the uh Mrs Karen the misunderstanding is that the list it's a list we can change the list tonight or anytime between now and January when the council makes a decision however our job tonight is to come up with recommendations and that's going to be in a on a separate letter so we could if you have items you want to add or we all have items you want to add or change I think we have the authority to put it in a recommendation letter and that letter will go with the list to the council right thanks thank you the list isn't changing but the list is not changing all right okay I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to cut off debate at this point and let's let the staff make their make their presentations and then we can revisit this at the end just in the interest of keeping the keeping the meeting moving good evening commission my name is Ron Smith I'm your Parks and Recreation director uh I'll state right off the bat that this program this proposed list list from Parks and Recreation was developed in conjunction with the Parks and Recreation planning board chairman pageant has submitted a signed letter that this list of Park projects has been reviewed and is supported by the Parks and Recreation planning board the uh the program consists of the uh five categories that were on that previous slide this is the version that we've been using internally and with the Parks and Recreation planning board and the city council and the citizens advisory committee it's the exact same list as the previous slide but just has a little more detail like the proposed uh or anticipated operation costs but again this is the the list for Parks and Recreation and uh it has these five categories I'll go over each category with you during this presentation so category number one is Hall Park this is located at the Hard corner of Alma and Par Park Boulevard this is city-owned Park land uh we propos the $10 million to develop the first phase of this Parkland which will include uh improvements like uh playground equipment picnic areas an improved hike and bike uh cement or concrete Trail around the perimeter of the park uh the majority will be developed as a park but I wanted to show this slide that uh we have also been utilizing because it shows a portion of the park that will be used for much needed Public Safety infrastructure and facilities for police and fire but again the majority of the park or the property will be developed as intended and that first 10 million that is part of our Park development or uh 25 Bond program would be for the first phase of development of Hall Park uh land acquisition is the next category $20 million identified for land acquisition 15 of the 20 is identified for the Parkland in the Lavon farm development which is identified here uh just east of Highway 75 here's a zoomed in view this is the way it is displayed on our Park master plan it clearly shows in the light green of Shaunie Park kind of an additional cap if you will of Parkland that is more or less 24 Acres as shown on the park master plan but as we have been working through the development plan of the leavon farm in conjunction and in support of the Oak Point The Envision Oak Point plan what we've uh been seeing is that the proposed 24 Acres they're shown in green the brighter green is actually being disseminated throughout the development to better meet the needs of the future 4,000 plus residents that will someday call leavon Farm home so we're still uh meeting that the spirit of the park master plan with the 25 plus or minus Acres but we're dispersing them in a way that will better benefit the public when they eventually live in those homes uh another category is the oh excuse me let me go back one more thing so this is the 15 million we have identified the cost or the estimates through appraisals that have been done for these Parcels as identified on this slide right here and it's more or less roughly 15 million so we feel pretty comfortable that that 15 million for leavon Farms is is on the money and again this is uh conforms with the Parks and Recreation master plan the city's comprehensive plan and The Envision oako plan the remaining 5 million for Park acquisition is for other uh Parcels that will become available between 2025 and 2029 that help build out the parks master plan as it is currently constituted uh the next category or is community park Renovations 11,595 th000 we are pushing all of our chips into the center of the table for Park Community Park renovation for Shell Park it's over 40 years old it's the largest programmable Sports specific Park East of Highway 75 it's in need of a wholesale renovation here are some of the existing amenities or improvements on site right now including the uh Flying V picnic Pavilion and the Very robust yet uh uh insufficient restrooms there at Shell Park so those two uh amenities or improvements would be replaced as well as the playground equipment as part of this wholesale renovation of shell Park the next category is Park improvements this is a $5 million uh that we've identified for this purpose this allows the Parks and Recreation Department to make any uh Capital Improvements that are identified by the city council the citizens of Plano or Park staff during that four-year window from 2025 to 2029 and the last category for the Parks and Recreation proposed Bond program is recreational Trails 5 million this would allow us uh to continue to build out the Parks and Recreation trail system which currently consists of over a 100 miles of Trail it is one of the amenities that we consistently get very positive feedback from the community as it is widely used and provides a very broad benefit I'd be happy to answer any questions but again this is something that has been worked on with the Parks and Recreation planning board they've signed their letter suggesting that they support this proposed program and this allows the city's Department of Parks and Recreation to fund capital projects for that four-year window from 2025 to 2029 happy to answer any questions chair all right questions about the parks plan commissioner oi uh quick acronym check omm is operating in management what was the question o m on the operation and maintenance and maintenance again thank you um secondly I'm going to guess a lot of this improvements around the Parkland will tie into maybe um forecasting yet the transit oriented development and connecting Parkways and what have you walkability is all a part of this so as far as the leavon farm if that's your specific question that development certainly uh has The Envision Oak Point stamp which is uh a walkable development if you're talking about the Citywide program so our hike and bike trail is part of the city's uh trail system and bicycle Transportation plan so any Trail development or new Trail construction would be conforming with that existing plan gotcha thank you you're welcome commission lingenfelder so I specifically when it came to the the leavon Farms piece component uh you were talking about a large uh single family development is that what you what you're talking about doing in there is that what they're talking about well so the the I'm sure that our planning department could provide more information but there is a development plan that we are continuing to work with our planning department and the land owner and the developer on that it's a mixed use development uh Park land and trails is a big component of that okay so as a formal as a developer civil engineer uh I also found that many times the cities would require the the developer to develop this land and to to provide that land at no cost of the city many times so uh I'm just trying to wrap my mind around you know the 1520 million for land that a developer may be putting together well it's our history that we pay market value for Parkland okay okay because I I I know that theel velopments I've done in the past it was not that that was not the case there we had to put a certain percentage as as as Park land and sometimes got a credit you know like a a tree mitigation credit or different things that could happen that that it was still donated and and so I was just checking in on that so Mr smth uh feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but there is a park fee that's still charge that fee is used to purchase Park land for that very purpose so there is an assessment made based on uh multi family or single family home there is a park fee assessment that's made and that can be used in very uh specific ways acquisition is one of them but still the city would pay based on those appraisals the fair market value of that Park land okay commissioner bronsky one quick question uh you have the JC Penny acquisition crossed off I understand how that's worked out and my question is as that uh project is being developed uh are we not considering the development of that uh Park as well not at this time I'm not going to be part of this 2025 program probably 2029 so uh that's a fair question and that's the exact answer is not in this round for the 2025 program so that that particular parcel will sit unchanged basically until 2029 yeah it would not be developed until there is funding available and you know in a reference to a big Public Safety need uh Parks and Recreation uh historically so uh if you look at the last four or five Bond programs from Parks and Recreation they're uh 70 80 90 million dollar uh each four every four years this year because of some other bigger needs that the city has we're happy to do our part and that 51.5 million we think is an adequate number so I really I really appreciate uh all that you do as well as uh the staff and um the citizens serving on that committee and uh I feel good about all the things I just I saw the JC Penney crossed off and I it just brought to my mind yeah we did get that but just wanted to make sure and we left it on there intentionally so that we would keep that as a placeholder and remember what had happened because that was a big dollar amount that we had originally put in there for acquisition so we're really fortunate that the things played out the way they did and a very generous donation to much so yeah thank you commission Tong thank you Mr chairman and uh uh earlier the uh um our next door commissioner reminded me a question that I I'm just curious really because we don't have any um decisions making here I just wonder what happens to those homes developed in the uh Park land owned by the city uh in the Lavon farm community so if we own the park the city owns the land the park and there's a a small portion of it will be developed into single families or uh houses whatever then you sell them to individual owners and they will be living on City's Park property uh that's a good question so the on the screen the Parkland is the yellow hatched so the uh I'll explain this slide one more time the light pale green is the existing Shaunie Park as it exists today the bright green that says 24.75 was what we proposed originally and it shows in the park master plan as kind of an additional acreage on top the yellow hashed shows how the Parkland dispersement will happen so there will be no homes built on any of those areas that are marked in yellow that will be Park property the homes and other development will go outside of the yellow okay so this whole project is just focusing on those yellow yes the Parkland Acquisitions will only be the yellow as shown on that slide got you thank you thank you for giving me the chance to clarify that for you thank you and one question for me the um we just went through a visioning exercise on Haggard Park um I know it's not a very big project but is that in here somewhere or is that being postponed for another that's going to probably be a 2029 for the same reasons that uh commissioner Brony that answer that I gave him in deference to other major expenditures okay thank you appreciate you clarifying that all right any other questions about Parks number one all right thank you very much appreciate your time who's up next oh that's fine too many good evening folks poon's a facil division manager I'll be introducing Chief dra who will introduce director of Public Safety Communications car who will reintroduce Chief drain then Chief bger staff then Abby Owens from Public Works back to me for facilities and then I'll finally hand off to um Libby from libraries slow reacting all right the facilities package is 36 million that's why my poor friend Ron seems to um he he gave lot so we could do that Public Works uh Public Safety is a big portion of it 243 million of that 155 is a new police HQ in 911 Center a new Fire Station 14 is 21 almost 22 million we are going to get more funds to compile with original funds for Station 8 to give it a full remodel if not a rebuild we're going to buy land for station three and pay for the design and we are going to build a new police training center in replacing the old training center and we'll explain more on we get to that and then phase one for redoing our Public Works campus over at Parkway operations on the west side will be to build a new Fleet building and then um a project near dear to my heart is a new facilities maintenance building which we will buy the land and and pay for the design with this Bond and then finally we have um Renovations and study pod Furniture purchases for shinal fin par and hagard library with that I will hand off to Chief dra hello Mr chairman Commissioners um I will uh first talk about the new police headquarters so our our current PD building was first built in 1973 so we're talking about 50 years old there have been some uh Renovations that added additional space uh over the years um uh to that facility but uh we haven't had any and and the most recent addition to it was in 2014 which properly in evidence expansion but that didn't include any additional office space okay so where the new proposed location uh the the location for the new um police uh station is in that Hall track that Dr Smith just talked about uh about 9.1 or 9.2 Acres of that Hall track is going to be dedicated to the police facility the part in red is for the new fire station and the fire chief will be up in a few minutes to talk about that portion of it so uh we have police facilities that are scattered across the city in in various places so by building this new facility some of the things that will not be replaced will be the jail which is uh currently collocated with uh the police department and the municipal court so those will remain where they are right there at 15th and age uh The Joint use uh facility which is collocated with Davis Library on Independence will also uh continue to be used uh we have uh two storefront locations for what we call npos our neighborhood police officers that are in West Plano so one is in Shops of Legacy the other one is in Legacy West seven eight officers work out of those facilities uh we want to keep those facilities there uh people can walk up and do reports uh and uh so we're going to keep those in place uh the Russian police substation which just opened in 2010 2020 it's at Robinson and mcdermoth it also will continue to be in operation and the emergency Operation Center of course is going to stay in place so what we will replace is our current headquarters building as I said uh although the jail and the Municipal Court will remain in place we have a a another neighborhood police officer facility uh at U uh Avenue K and Parker uh it's up on the second floor of that strip mall there there's really no operational reason for that uh facility to be there folks don't go up there they don't we don't take reports there or anything those officers are there because we don't have any space for them in the current uh police department uh we've got some uh we've got some Le space Also across the city that we'll be giving up as well uh and um uh and and we've got some space at at the Children's Advocacy Center at Park in Los Ros we've got two of our investigative units there our special Victims Unit and our uh family violence unit work out of that facility and they will also be coming back to the police department not shown up there is also our narcotics unit is also in an offside facility and we would also like to bring them back to the uh headquarters building so in um 1973 the Police Department was staff with 49 uh employees 81 141 23475 and we're currently at uh 68 today that doesn't include 50 or so uh seasonal crossing guards that we also have uh out working for the PD uh and so you can see the various space requirements that we had over the years uh um and we just are flat out of space and so we need we need additional space and our building cannot be added to anymore it's been added to several times we can't go up we can't go out and uh so we're just going to have to have a a new facility um with the voters approval of course and the councils so once we uh so right now currently at our new headquarters we've got about 343 folks working out of there I mentioned the places where we've got different units scattered uh that would bring in about another 40 or 45 back to the headquarters uh we would also be adding 95 folks from Public Safety communication Miss Carl will be up to talk about that in a minute uh so once uh it's all said and done we'd have about a a total of 474 uh Warm Bodies in the new police headquarters uh as I said we've got too many locations spread across the city uh even within our building we have some supervisors who work on one end of the building but the units they supervis are on other ends of the building uh and uh so we want we want to uh to to bring them together so just for efficiency reasons uh we've got emergency fleet vehicles that are also in various locations across the city some of them are located out at our training facility uh over on 14th on the East End of 14th Street some are at the EOC some are at the police headquarters we also want to bring all those uh Under One Roof and we want to put them inside uh those are very expensive Vehicles we just purchased a 2.1 or just received a $2.1 million uh mobile command post uh that is outside it is covered but it is outside and we would like to bring that inside side we are paying you know about $85,000 in lease Bas uh uh every year and uh so this would allow us to consolidate both our people and our equipment uh by um building this new headquarters building uh again uh some of the benefits bring Personnel into the same building as I said um uh address the issue of personnel being separated from their work groups increase our efficiency and um uh new build is more econom IAL than trying to work on our current location which we really can't do we can't really can't add much more to it we just finished the renovation on it to better utilize the space we had but it did not add any additional square footage to the headquarters building okay uh Miss car will be up to talk about the 911 uh dispatch operation good evening commission my name is Susan Carr I'm the director of 911 Public Safety Communications uh we're a separate Department within the city but we provide 911 services and police and fire dispatch services for police the police and fire department as well as plan of fire rescue EMS today we're currently located in the basement here of City Hall uh just down the ramp you may be familiar with our location down here so we're looking to move into the new police headquarter building uh several reasons um for that you know is additional secure facility um our my folks take a lot of police high priority calls and then um they've been involved in um receiving some threats from callers when callers don't like the way the call was handled or the way things went U they wear a uniform when they're leaving and so it makes them a little bit nervous in a non secure facility additionally I have uh shift workers they work 12 hour shifts 7A to 7p and 7p to 7A as well as I have a call taker ship from 11 a to 11: pm. and their overtime hours are in 4 Hour blocks so I have some people coming and going at individuals coming in at 11:00 p.m. at 3:00 a.m. Walking In by themselves in an unsecure parking lot um there have been uh homeless folks in the neighborhood and it makes my team a little bit nervous especially when they're wearing a uniform and they're walking in um outside of that um last year year the PLO city council had to evacuate from this building um due to a situation at one of their meetings and my folks had to evacuate as well so we have a lot of backups and redundancies in place but when we're leaving our primary facility and moving to our alternate site Richardson police department has to answer the phone calls for us and then they relay those to us on a portable radio which creates a little sorry a little bit of a delay in getting that out so that's only that's only happened once but but again you know it's just something we we we like to plan and not prepare for you know not have those things happen um a couple of things you know I'm sorry our slide got a little bit convoluted we had to move everything up to cap capture the captioning but um if we move into the police department building that allows us for some better operational efficiency and collaboration with them during high-risk events um and with the realtime crime Center we're answering the live calls the realtime crime Center is providing the intelligence so we have close working relationships with them as well and then um finally enough can't be said about natural light we're in the basement and there's no windows uh we have a lot of callers that actually you know want to talk about the weather and what's coming in and um we can't really talk about that with them because we have no way of knowing we have no windows and my folks can't run up the stairs and check out what's going on with the weather outside but um you know what we have a i it's hard to see on this slide but there monitors per workstation where heavy individual user PC and equipment and so um I have a lot of migraine suffers and that fluorescent light with the m with the all of those monitors can create some leave and issues with my folks so we're looking for some natural light to make sure we can get our people to work and then increase that serotonin so that when they're taking all those stressful calls that they're doing you know they're they're always wanted to give 100% so our end goal you know is to ensure that we can continue to provide high quality excellent Public Safety Services any questions for me no I had a question from Chief D I'll wait he'll be back up to talk about the training center I'll get to him later okay and I'll hand it back to Chief FR thank you and I do agree with Miss Miss Carr obviously if um the 911 operation is working with the police department that will be much safer for her employees versus going out of this building and there is a lot of collaboration between her team and something that we call our realtime information center at the police department and so having them collocated would be uh good for us as well um now I will talk about the police training center one of the things to know about our training center is uh we share ownership responsibility uh with the training center with the City of Richardson it's a two3 one3 uh relationship so they they they they and so they are responsible for you know onethird of the omm cost the operational and maintenance cost right now and that they would also be responsible for onethird of building the new Academy we have worked out an arrangement where they would pay that out over 20 years Karen uh the last major renovation that we did out at the AC it didn't have anything to do with the academy the facility itself we built a new uh range out there and that was a bond uh package and uh that's how that was handled with Richardson was to pay out over 20 years uh so uh so I wanted to get that out of the way this facility was built in 1990 so over over 30 years old the building itself has never uh has never had a major renovation uh during that time uh so our staffing has increased quite a bit as you saw from the previous uh slide when I was talking about the headquarters building uh in 2017 we did add a a basic peace officer course which has put a big strain uh on our on our facilities and what that is it's a um in our it's it's about a 30e um long course that officers have to go through to become police officers prior to 2017 what we did was we would send our our new hires out to be trained at one of the colleges or the Cog uh the North Central Texas council of government also has a training academy is the one that we primarily use but we've gotten much better uh results We Believe by training our officers in house so of course we also train Richardson's officers and we we train Allan Frisco and McKenna's officers as well uh so uh but but the ne in the BAC whether we're training five officers or 25 officers there's just a need for additional space that you're going to have to have and so the new building will enhance the quality of training in the facility uh the driving pad will be resurfaced for both safety and Advance uh training and um uh a new build build is more econom more economical than trying to renovate the existing facility so we think that we will get more for every dollar that we have if we just build new versus trying to go in and uh renovate the current facility and then work around some of the existing problems that's been there for 30 years uh so uh before we bring up the fire chief do you have any questions of me or miss Carr commission bronsky I do yes could you go back to the slide that you mentioned about what you were keeping and what you were replacing or removing yes sure there you go uh so I I love the idea of increased efficiency I've just got one small concern and it was about item seven uh and the officers that are already there working at the advoc Center yes and I was a chairman of the Colin County CPS board for a while and I know that having those officers there working with the people in CPS were very critical and making a lot of U child safety issues be addressed and so what was the process to decide that we were no longer going to have those officers there and relocate them especially when it comes to an efficiency uh or an Effectiveness on that sir and and when you were on the CPS board at the time uh uh the Children's advy Center probably ran their operation out of that location at Park in Los Rio that's no longer the case now they've actually built a new facility up in McKenna and and they're going where the kids are quite frankly our the kids in our schools have dropped off it's it's and they wanted to be further north they explained that to us soon as I got here as Chief in 2020 I was aware that's going to happen that facility is still open they deal they still do some things there but the director and most of that staff has actually moved up to uh mckenny and so um so so the operational need for us to have them there is not the same as it was before we we can still do forensic interviews there but my staff is gon to you know they if they're going to do the kids sh they've got to go there to do the forensic interviews but but we can't take a suspect there so they still got to drive back to the station so so if they're at the station having to go over there to go do a forensic interview is going to be a wash so but but the bottom line is there's really no operational efficiency for us having them there now which was the case when you probably were on the CPS board yeah that was and uh I know that there were times where having those officers there whenever there was visitation issues or other things they were able to intervene and interact and so I just wanted to make sure that we were still protecting our CPS employees that are in Plano yeah and and those kind of interactions don't happen as much out there now as they did probably when you were on the board fabulous thank you sir yes sir any other questions commissioner oy evening Chief yes sir um well commissioner bronsky asked one um I may have missed it the current headquarters that we once the new one is built and vacated what is the use going to be for the current headquarters are we leasing that do we own that that's probably a question for our facilities director again Paul cl's a facilities director or div um division manager so we do own the building if that was your question um what we are looking at there's a two-part master plan that's happened we've already studied police in 911 we are currently stud studying courts and jail for the 2029 Bond what happens to the police side of that building right now is unknown part of deliverables of that master plan will be Suggestions by our Consultants on what version do we do for the new jail and the new courts whether we use that land use that building it's unknown but that that will remain in City inventory until we determine that okay um second question is similar the training center that we're sharing with Richardson when we get our own space and I like my own room kind of deal um do we vacate the joint uh agreement with Richardson or do we still maintain that collaboration with the City of Richardson which I can see would probably have a benefit yes when we build a new facility we will still have that partnership with Richardson Richardson has bought in on uh and they agree that we do need a new facility so what would how it would work is we would build the new facility on the same site basically uh but it's going to be on the other end of the driving pad so on the west end of that facility we would continue to train in the the old facility until the new facility is built and then we would move into the new facility and and that's one of the advantages of going with a completely new build uh it would probably be impossible for us to continue to train in the building when they're adding so much more square footage to it and now we don't have any other place to go to train by doing a new bill that takes that problem off the table and we can just stay in the old facility Plano and Richardson until the new facility is built makes sense considering the population growth have seen in PL that makes sense thank you any other questions Commissioners any other questions all right next up good evening I'm Chris bigger staff I'm the fire chief here in Plano thank you for the opportunity uh to talk about the three projects that that we have uh we'd like to see on the bond referendum the first one would uh that we'll talk about is a Station 14 and right now we currently have uh 13 stations and so this would be a new station and as you saw the location earlier and you'll see it again in the slides here there at Park and Alma um over the past 10 years we've seen over a 50% increase in emergency calls you can you can kind of see that pattern on this this slide um and as you kind of dig down a little deeper as to where those calls take place and why we would put Station 14 where it is if you look at stations one and two they're by far our busiest stations station one's on Avenue K and then station two is there next door to bin High School on 15th street so one of the reasons why uh we would want to put a Station 14 in between stations one and two is to help with the the responses that are in going into two stations or districts one and two uh when you are as busy as they are a lot of times you'll have other stations that have to respond into their District you can see the example right there uh on district one the very first one which is med three that's our station three ambulance there at Sher and Sh Shiloh 612 times in 2023 they came into uh station one's district and what that does is that leaves an opening in session 3's District then you find yourself trying to fill the those openings all all the time you're going to have some of that but if you have it frequently enough then you've got a longer response time because you've got you've got gaps uh because they're filling in at these two busier stations another reason that we looked at this area was in 2020 there was uh roughly 177,000 people there and then in 20 34 we're looking at over 24,000 people there with the increase because of the Colin Creek and Heritage Creek Side um um projects that are going on there you add more people you add more emergency calls again that's the that's the same map that you've already seen and so this is an example here or of our current districts right now you see the black lines they outline the the districts for our our uh that we currently have the purple one with the one on it their station one the green there station two and in this map you'll see the 14 is right in between those and that would be the district that would be outlined there all those dots in there represent emergency calls they don't represent all of them because a lot of times they're in the same location so there's only one dot representing that but if you get a a busy location there there could be more calls than just what are showing there the in 2022 when we first did this study uh they made 2472 calls took place in what would be Station 4 14's District if you look at the 13 stations we have now that would be the sixth busiest station so it would be right in the middle right now already uh and so it's a relatively busy area then when you look at this one it it really helps see the what the benefit would be of having Station 14 there it you'll pull uh, 1458 calls off of station one 769 calls off of station two and then you'll see additional calls coming off of stations four and six and again that goes back to what we were talking about earlier with having to somebody having to come into that district and fill in so for all those calls you're removing uh from there that helps this is my favorite one of all the slides in here because uh in the fire department we focus on on really on three things when when a 911 call comes in we try to get there quick do good work and show compassion so the getting their quick part um it there's this is a huge benefit for us if you look at the the purple hexagons they're they're somewhere between three and four minutes of a decrease in response time that's huge considering that our average response time right now is 5 minutes and 40 seconds it makes sense when you look at it when you're looking at at station the where the number 14 is of course the ones close by are going to you're going to see a decrease in response time to those but then when you look down there at the ones that would be around that that Parker and Alma area um part of the reason you see such a a Improvement there is because it's kind of a No Man's Land coming from station one or station two it's not easy to get to and you're not going to get there quickly so you see a pretty drastic improvement in that area so really the the benefits for us you you would see a a decreased response times that we just showed you'd also see uh the call reduction in our two busiest districts which help uh helped with the coverage of those two districts um you'd have in that new station you'd have an engine company and a uh Med unit there in in that uh that new station second project Station 8 remodel that's at hedge Cokes in Robinson Road it's a 30 years old there hasn't had a significant uh remodel in that time and there's there's really a list on the next two slides of things that kind of waited on doing uh put them off for this potential remodel but for us operationally the biggest thing is the addition of of Bays right now there's two bays at this station you can see the picture there we have an engine in a truck that respond from there um as the the city gets busier we'll probably need an ambulance in that area and so that would help us with with adding the ambulance also provides additional uh storage area for a reserve apparatus so by doing that you'd also have to increase the number of beds and the size of the station so it' be a significant Remodel and then our last one is a land acquisition and Design Station three that's at Sheron Shiloh it's 48 years old uh not just uh don't just need a new station because of the the infrastructure and it is older but also because uh when you look at it there it's it's our smallest station by far and in The Bays there part of the problem was 48 years ago uh a fire engine fire truck were a lot smaller than they are now so we have we have units that can't park in there you can't close the doors uh for them so it's it's just it's a smaller station and so uh our goal in this Bond would be to to parchase the land and then hopefully in the next Bond uh to get the money to build a new station three any questions for me Commissioners questions Comm bronsky I just have one tiny question and this is more operational do you still roll an engine every time we roll for a medical call we do not we we have what we call we have two levels all level one calls we do uh or level two calls that's a a lower priority call we just send an ambulance on those and we don't even run code three on those calls with no lights no siren we just send them to the to that location it's based on the information that that susing uh and her group get on in the 911 call so I want to say as a citizen I appreciate the efficiencies that you're doing there I remember a while back we were doing that and there was discussion about how much that was costing us so I appreciate you guys being diligent with every dollar that you spend yes sir it it it helps us because as you can see we've gotten busier and busier so that does help us in that area commiss olly uh evening Chief um if you could go back to the slide that showed show how much call volume the new Station 14 was going to pull from the existing yes sir so by the new station pulling the 1458 769 what have you would that bring those stations call volume down to right around the 2400 that Station 14 will be a zooming or it it doesn't get them quite that far but it does get them in a lot a lot better range there there'll still be more MH yeah because because station one I think is yeah we'll go back and look but I think it's about 5,000 calls that was it right there yeah it's five yeah so so it won't get them all the way down there in line but it'll it'll help from where we where we are right now thank you and uh appreciate you guys thinking of ADA upgrading Ada deficiencies that's speaks to my heart thank you commission Tong thank you thank you Mr chairman um I just have a a quick question also out of curiosity I already forgot the number that is supposed to be allocated to Pro to this project there are a lot of numbers in the beginning I already forgot but on the last slide when you say there's um the this item includes the procurement of the land and the design which item like what's the number do you remember and which which slide again the last slide to station number three of station three that that slide or yeah so you say if approved this item would include so which item like what's the number here I I'm already I forgot what the numbers are but it's about 4 million in change which one was all the way back yeah you have 4.7 in for land acquisition and design so that's not construction that's just land and Design Land and design okay gotcha number three thank you you bet and then uh just one question for me um thank you for taking care of station one I I live not too far from there and I know they're incredibly busy here I'm going coming and going all the time they are um is will this help I know y'all had and I don't know how often it happens I know you have issues occasionally with getting across the railroad tracks so will this provide some additional relief for those times as well yes it it does it because everything we do is based on response time so we we go go back and and and we'll track that and that's that's how they outline where the district is because sometimes it doesn't look like it makes sense when you see the district it looks like it's you know real crooked it's not straight in there it's all based on who can get there the fastest so so that will it'll help it will help the areas that that are slowed down by the the train because it'll base it's based on that plus how you know go back and you look at the past year and how long it took us to get to the different locations okay great thank you yes sir any other questions about fire all right thank you very much Chief appreciate you thank you all good evening I'm Abby Owens I'm the director of Public Works so I'm presenting on our request so our public works department is housed over here off of West Plano Parkway we're kind of in the southern Central section of the City Public Works provides all of the Fleet Maintenance for all the city's Fleet in addition we do all the water sewer streets traffic drainage solid waste and also a compost operation um and our we have five total locations right now but this is the Hub of all of our operations this is where the majority of the vehicles are and then like I mentioned all of the uh repairs occur to the current Fleet Services building was built in 1979 and as the chief mentioned fire apparatuses were smaller heavy equipment trucks were smaller um over time there have been some additions to add more bays and increase ceiling Heights when that's happened but since 2004 we haven't had any major modifications to the building we Engage The Services of a consultant to help us evaluate the entire campus and identify what our needs are what we currently have parking is one of our biggest struggles um and then identify could we as a public works operations stay on site or do we need to consider splitting Public Works into two different locations at the conclusion of that study what we determined is we currently have about 40,000 square feet for Public Works operations we have about 51,000 sare F feet for Fleet and then our Parks operation I'll show you our parks department has a small maintenance facility on the campus as well is just under 8,000 from a parking perspective we have just under 700 parking spaces keep in mind for public works for every employee that we have we have the personal vehicle that shows up but then we also have a crew cab or we're going to have an backo or a heavy equipment of some kind it's not necessarily A on toone it's usually like for every two employees we're going to need another parking space for whatever that piece of equipment is that they're going to be in our current needs right now is we currently in our operations building do not have enough square footage we're kind of squeezed in there and we've got about 42,000 square feet based upon the master plan and looking at what we think is realistic from a conservative growth perspective for public work staff we think that we need to be at about 45,000 Square ft most staff that we're going to add it's really going to be more addition of parking space more so than than the addition of square footage space inside for Fleet operations we currently have 17 Bays to do all the maintenance on the fleet vehicles um it's determined that we probably need closer to 24 and that right now we have a night shift that works on all of our Solid Waste trucks so by moving to 24 Bays we could get them off of Night Shift which is difficult to staff and also delays solid waste truck repairs we typically um use our Reserve Fleet during the day so they can keep running and then the repairs get done at night so that would help make our operations a little bit more efficient the the parks operation has enough square footage as is but we've identified that we would probably need to relocate them to another location cuz we're going to take their spot that they're at right now um and then campus parking as I mentioned that's our challenge our 20-year need needs to be a little bit over a thousand uh parking spaces for both City vehicles and personal vehicles these are some pictures of the location just so you could see so as I mentioned the Bay Heights aren't quite tall enough plus you can see some of the HVAC um duct work and things that are in there as well Paul's team has done a really good job of trying to remove and consolidate where possible to increase the amount of space above the vehicles but it's really just not enough at this point we really need significantly higher ceilings so you know these are examples of some of our larger fleet vehicles including a fire apparatus similarly you know opening up a firet truck and trying to work on it you really do need the ladder all the way up and extended so our staff do the best they can and making sure it's safe for them to be able to work on those vehicles and then also parking as I mentioned so in the top left and top right are actually we have to double Park a lot of our vehicles at the end of the workshift day and so that requires strategically bringing in a crew at the same time so the next one can come park behind it and then rolling them out the next morning at the same way so that we can make sure we've got all of our vehicles parked in the parking on top of that I'll show you where these vehicles at the bottom are located but in the top of our location where Parks currently is we have an overflow storage area and that overflow storage area is also we're having to park some of our dump trucks and some of our backos and other stor St items as well we are we are growing out of our currently developed space area so this is a high level overview of what we have currently so at the very top is that location I just showed you where we have our overflow parking and Outdoor Storage just below that is the parks Maintenance building where they also have some outdoor storage and vehicles as well the pink highlighted area is an encore easement there's actually transmission lines that run through that area and we are not allowed to build any sort of building structures on that location but we can use it for parking and so that's where most of our parking is for personal vehicles and some of our fleet vehicles are there as well and then just south of there the Public Works operations main building and then the fleet operations building are the two other ones um we looked at instead of doing any sort of additional building to actually add on to where those current facilities are the challenge is it further takes away our parking and it doesn't increase any sort of our parking counts so after evaluating we were determined we could stay on site in order to stay on site though we will have to find a new location for Parks maintenance and we've worked closely with them throughout this whole time and we have set aside existing funding that we have available to be able to relocate them and then after that we would um build the fleet building in the top corner and then we would tear down the existing Fleet building so that's what's being proposed in this bond package we didn't think realistically in order to keep operations going we could tear everything down or build anything all at once so it's going to have to be a two-phase approach across two different Bond programs um but building the new Fleet building in the top left would add the 24 Bays that we need we might have to sequence them depending upon how much funding is allocated in this bond package and then after that the current Fleet building that's there now would eventually be demolition assuming the 2029 bond package passes and then if that occurs then we would build the new Public Works building on that location and tear down the old one and could start reutilizing the site as needed to be able to provide that parking and efficiencies that we need any questions on that commissioner oy you mentioned this is going to be in two phases um in our packet there is a a note that this is additional to 2017 and 2019 MH does that mean that Bond uh referendum was passed in 2017 and 2019 for this particular so originally in 2017 and 19 there was um a package to renovate the two buildings and it was not nearly enough funding that was going to be needed so there was a pause put on it and that's when we decided that we would add um the uh consultant would come in and help us evaluate the locations when we tried to add some square footage here and some square footage here the parking was always going to be our Challenge and that wasn't really discovered I think during those Originals also Paul correct me if I'm wrong there was funding set aside to do um some updates for uh fueling facility as well and that's something that we would be able to do in the future here as well is that right yeah but this 40 I lost my this 54 million ask is going to be in addition to 2017 and 2019 and that's phase one meaning there's another addition coming in 2029 potentially correct so between the 2017 and the 2019 and then this funding there would be about 59 million and some of the funding that we already have is actually what's going we're going to be using to relocate the parks operation so that they can move off of that current site that's there because we need to get them relocated and in their new space before we could start any sort of construction on that location in the top Corner okay we don't have uh it's out of our purview on cost and what have you this is more conformance to the plan it's just interesting okay thank you commissioner any other questions not seeing any all right thank you very much happen to be here from my slide so similar to station three we are looking to get land to buy the buy money to buy the land and pay for the design of facilities maintenance currently we are host next to the police training academy in the old animal shelter we have storage units We Rent All Over the city for all the extra ceiling tiles and fan belts and every other thing we store um and we don't have any locker room spaces for our folks so we'd like to consolidate to one location with the proper storage facilities and the proper locker room facilities for our folks any question let make sure I heard you right you're in the old animal shelter yes sir we even have the old crematorium still there as the backup crematorium all right that's an interesting office feature things you didn't want to know all right any questions about this part of it then if none all right seeing none who's next what did I just thank you very much I just shut off the monitor there liby Hol folks director libraries good evening uh I'm Lindy Holman I'm delighted to share information about your five libraries in Plano back in 2017 we were able to renovate two of our locations Harrington Library and Davis Library with the bond and they are gorgeous so we are asking to improve three other locations our final three shimlin Library it's a 43y old building um we're looking to rent rovate the restroom so that they comply with accessibility codes we'd like to replace the carpet paint just some general touchup and then add study pods so if you've been to a corporate campus you've seen glass sort of study pods what we've seen when we renovated the other two locations is high demand and used by the public of study rooms they are at no charge they just use their library card and reserve them excuse me and they also need to replace the elevator at shim finck Library it's a two-story building next is hagard Library it's the same thing renovating restrooms to comply with the accessibility codes um refresh finishes remove the wall coverings that are peeling and add paint we would like to add steady pods as well to that location and then power Library which I always think of as being brand new but it's 24 years old so time goes quick uh the same thing renovating the restrooms refreshing the finishes adding study pods and I'm happy to answer any questions about your libraries all right commission uh commissioner bronsky thank you so let me see if I get this uh you have three buildings that you're talking about remodeling one's 43 years old one's 35 and one's 24 right yes so I've been listening to everybody talk about all these new facilities they're getting and uh it looks to me like the libraries continue to do more with less uh and I'm continually astonished at how we continue to have five libraries but we continue to have the usage of them continue to grow but we don't find that we can equip you a little bit better with updated or new facilities as a lot of these others are getting would it be a dream of the library to be able to have a new facility rather than having to update a 43 your old one that's a great question thank you for that this was asked also by the committee as well and I called Mark israelson up so what's decided for 2025 is what facilities is able to work through and and deliver upon and that is what we've asked for as part of the project as you've seen we have a lot of needs across the city and so this is what we were able to accomplish I totally get it and I didn't mean to put you on the spot uh uh you know very well I'm a huge fan of the libraries so am I I'm I'm continually I want to just make it clear that I'm impressed that you always your staff and everybody that's in the libraries always seems to do more with less and uh hits the ball out of the ballpark trying to always make sure that you're current on what's going on that uh you're meeting the needs of the citizens of Plano while also doing it closer uh to a sacrificial place um so I I really appreciate uh what you're what you've done and what you've brought personally to the libraries in your years already so thank you thank you and on behalf of Team PPL it's our Delight absolutely we love it we saw 300,000 more people last year than we've seen and it's just a joy for the people coming through we just want to create a great experience so we would love to update what's been presented if possible and the increases are what I'm highlighting that you're doing with the same space that you've had basically for a long time 24 years thank you thanks commissioner olly thank you here that we have a soft spot for libraries given that Davis has hosted us so graciously for quite a while um our pleasure just have one quick question sure kind of like pinking on Mike's Point 40 23 years 24 years what's the use life for Library so we just did Davis when should we expect to refresh Davis and what have you that's a great question um to me that was the first time we've really done something big my guess would be I'm going to defer to Paul a little bit my guess is when when the use shows and when it's needed and we we look at how many people are coming to use the facility we look at how it wears I mean we see a lot of people each and every day so we just want it to look the best it can possibly look for the community so these libraries have had some cosmetic Renovations in their history the restrooms are probably that what needs the most help other than meeting her needs now with the study pods so that's what we're trying to accomplish with that um we tend to want about about a 15-year cycle on most finishes especially restrooms so second question to demand we just went through parking variances Galore that seems to just suggest that our school population is declining are you not seeing that translating into the library use no we're not we're we're well utilized um still a lot of families but really where're our growing population is what you'll see also in our what we're seeing in the city itself is our senior population so when you ask about expansion just to be frank where we're expanding is Outreach I don't know if you're aware but we're we have two vehicles now that are friends funded for us and we go out into the community to deliver classes and programs and we now have routes where we go out to um senior um like retirement homes and we deliver Services once a month and we help them with digital literacy and classes and things like that so we're more focused on getting out into the community and with our five locations how our originator Miss Davis plan them they're very well situated across the community and I think they're very accessible thanks to our friends and parks on the trails so it's a really nice uh match up but you'll see us on the street in our blue Vans or wherever there's bubbles that's where we'll be it's our signature thank you so y all right commission any other questions about libraries thank you no thank you any other facilities questions faili questions facilities all right all right thank thank you very much who's next good evening Abby Owens director of Public Works again so I'll kick off our referendum on Street projects some of these slides you all have seen that are very similar to what we talked to you all about during the CIP program so overall this is the prel preliminary Bond request for streets related projects um Public Works funding is only requesting for the top two items and that's going to be the arterial Street repairs and residential street and Alley repairs the rest of them Caleb Thornhill our director of engineering he'll talk about um in a little bit later just to kind of highlight the citizen survey in 2022 maintenance of city streets was still the number one priority overwhelmingly and then when you look at specifically the question related to perceptions of the current service level um the question was how how do you think we're doing on thorough fares on residentials alleys and sidewalks and it feels like most people think it's about right um and so with that in mind our bond request for this go around is very much in line what we asked for last time with the increased escalation cost estimates so it's not the same dollar figure at higher but we're thinking we'll be able to do about the same and a little bit less in one place so this is a map of our street network age just to kind of show you it it's based upon how the city developed and you can see the red areas are our older Street networks and when they were installed and the green areas are the newer um items 95% of our streets are concrete with most of them um being about years old or more pavement maintenance and repair so public works' goal is to stay on top of Street Maintenance to where we stay up in that green area which an average age of a street is meant to be shown on this using the black line and by doing preventative maintenance type treatments really it's water is the enemy of streets so really what we focus on is keeping water out of the joints and out of um any sort of cracks so as long as we can do preventative maintenance we stay up in the green area and then you'll you see the potholes develop and you'll see some of the deterioration in individual panels so that's when we go in and we do what we call Rehab um that's going to be the Orange Line meant to be depicted there all that means is we're going to go in and do panel Replacements of those streets not the whole thing we're not going to tear out all the concrete and repair it all the way down to subgrade this is going to be those panel sections and then if we fall behind on that then that's when it goes into reconstruction and reconstruction is going to be complete lane closures where you'll have to shift to one side of the road or the other and it would be a full rebuild engineering doeses that in the neighborhoods very frequently and that's what you'll see where they have an entire one side of the road closed and then they have the other side closed so our goal is to stay in that green and orange area and once it gets to a point where Public Works can't maintain it that's when we'll hand those over to engineering and that's when they would do the design and take on the project from there this is a highlight of what Public Works has accomplished in square foot replacement you'll notice a significant increase in 22 23 and 23 24 a lot of that is due to the bond referendum that was passed in 21 to highlight what we mean when we say arterial Street reconstruction we're asking for about30 million here and on the left hand side on this map what this is showing is we do Street inspection scores um and we have them for our streets including arterials and residentials our next one will actually do in 20 in later in 2025 but what this showed is when the streets were driven and rated using a methodology with an engineering firm these were the average kind of appearances of what they determine the um condition of the streets were on the right hand side you've seen this animation before so be kind it's meant to be a animation said Loosely but this is an explanation of what we do from a repair on an arterial we'll go in we identify certain panels that need to be replaced the concrete was replaced it does not match and then we put down an ultra thin overlay on top so this $130 million is aiming at doing the concrete repairs on our major arterials and then following up with this ultra thin overlay as I mentioned with being the um enemy of streets you want to go in we put this overlay on top of it and that's meant to extend the life of the concrete provide that ulion layer which is what protects water from getting into it and then the um ultrain asphalt overlay is like the frosting but it provides a much better ride after we've done that you can see um we use cograph as our asset management software and what cograph does is it takes the score that was provided from the treat inspections in 20 and 21 and based upon what we call treatments are done to the roads whether it's just concrete repaired or concrete repaired and overlaid it does automatic calculations of what the street score should be we like I mentioned we will redrive our streets at the end of next year but in the meantime our best case estimates here you can see a significant Improvement between what we inspected in 2020 and as you know we have been investing a lot in koite Road replacement um and then now what it looks like based upon our estimates from repairing the concrete and then installing the ultra thin overlay and I will just also mention with the Reconstruction this includes an 8% estimated cost for increase for repairs and then because our ter overlays we've only been doing for the last three years we added about a 10% contingency for what we think those costs will be year-over-year as we move forward with this program this is our overlay progress to date um we piloted Independence Road from 15th to park and that's what was done in 1718 and then the bond referendum is where we added the additional roads if you add up what we've completed so far it's around 45.6 miles our goal was 50 part of that is because we had to delay um some of the overlay due to some weather shift changes that happened this past year and some challenges we had with rain and so we'll complete a little bit more of that over this next year and so that's why 2425 looks so big it's because we had to move some of them around um our 2025 Bond estimates is we think that it's going to cost us on average across all four of the years about $3.45 million to do the repair and the overlay and then we think we'll be able to get to about 38 miles um that will not make that will not have everything overlay that we would like but that's because um we still have um quite a few miles that will be remaining our plan right now is about a 10 or about a 15-year plan from the time we started in 21 to the time we'll be able to finish all of that though as I will show you here is very dependent upon other projects that are going on so the green shows everything we've completed so far the blue is what we have planned for 2014 25 that we had to carry over and then all of the items that are in Gray are either going to be under repair soon or currently under repair and then we'll be overlaid here in the next four to five years um there is also a lot of private projects that are going on so like Plano Parkway the area that's in Gray we don't know when exactly we'll be able to Overlay that the north Texas Municipal Water District has some work being done there um in addition Legacy Drive engineering has been doing some some um signalized intersection improvements so that delays our ability to get there and repair and do overlays as well this is kind of a ballpark of where we'll be heading uh but on top of that as we have other roads that are repared and ready to have be overlaid we can shift those around so it's kind of our guideline we're working off of um and any sections that you see that have a gap so for instance Plano Parkway from about um Preston Road over to um 75 there is a major sewer line project that engineering is doing and because of that it's going to directly impact the pavement so we don't have that plan for repairs or overlay in this package for now um but again as things shift around we kind of move it the bond referendum is written in such a way where it's we're going to the most needed areas at the time based upon our evaluations the other part of our repair is for residential street and alleys we're asking for a little bit more than two uh $92 million and what what we do these is we call them neighborhood sweeps and they're based upon neighborhood zones and it's based on the average age of the construction of the streets in the area and what the deterioration of the streets alleys and sidewalks are a lot of times we spend um a significant portion working on alleys and also meeting ADA requirements when we go in and do a significant Improvement in a neighborhood it requires us to bring that areas up to ADA compliance and so we end up putting in a lot of ramp modifications at that moment typically we spend about $5.3 million per project and each zone is typically two maybe three projects it just depends on the amount of work that has to be done so the current package that we're asking for would cover about eight different zones over those total of four years so that means we'd be doing about four projects a year in order to be able to get um I'm sorry we'd be doing 16 projects total and that's how we would get through those eight zones in that time frame this is a picture of these zones this is what we refer to um when we if you ever look at our Council agenda items it'll say we're going to Q4 or we're going to P3 these are what these items are referring to so anything that has a black date on it those are places that we've already been and that's when the recent um project was either completed or it's currently in construction so you'll see 24 and 25 are on there anything in red are locations that we haven't been yet which are also highlighted in that blue teal color and that's the average age of when that the streets in that neighborhood were installed so as you can see we've got those remaining blue areas left it ends up being a little bit more than eight but some of them are really new areas um for instance j11 is one that we originally were planning on getting to over the next year but we we go out and drive that location the streets are in really great condition we don't have a lot of sidewalk needs so those are ones that we might not spend Bond funding on we would send a different contractor out there to just hit those areas that are needed um but this is kind of our map of where we would be spending uh the additional funding moving forward any questions commission any questions commissioner langfelder uh for the asphalt overlays uh you said ultra thin but is that a inch and a half 2 in what are you guys actually doing out there ultra thin so it's uh 3/4 of an inch actually um some spots it might be a little bit thicker um it's really ultra thin it is very ultra thin and that's why we still have the concrete underneath that's why I say the Emulsion layer that goes down first is what's going to protect it from any of the uh the Water getting into the joints or any of the cracks and then on top of that we put that and that's really just for ride quality and then protecting it a little bit more our goal is to complete the um arterials that we have on our map by 20 and 15 years and by doing that we'll then go back and we'll Mill it we'll make any repairs that are needed there and then do another overlay on top we're just trying to extend the life of those streets as long as we possibly can okay I see that point okay I travel Parker Road quite a lot and it's unbelievable I I go out of my way to drive it now so commissioner bronsky well I still avoid certain parts of Parker because of well you can drive in the left lane so my my question um I'm curious about the long-term Financial impact and reductions that we're going to be seeing what are your estimates for the long-term Financial impact of the overlays uh for all of our construction costs as it relates to our roads well I left my crystal ball at home but I can tell you that we've been running the numbers to try to compare what are the benefits to trying to do this and I was trying to find my slide that I have in our pavement management discussion but essentially by adding the overlay on top of it making those repairs we think that we can prolong those life of the streets to then do another um Mill and then re overlay again before we have to go back in and hopefully do any Majors it's a pilot we're watching that one on Independence really closely because that's what we've noticed originally our plan was that one was put down in 2017 we thought in 10 years we'd have to go back and Mill it and then overlay it again and that's when we would really be able to see what that concrete underneath is like um we're noticing it's doing really well and so we're actually going to have our seal joint seal contractor go out there probably next year and go and seal there's longitudal cracking there's reflective cracking we're going to have that taken care of and then see how much longer we can get Farmers Branch has been doing this longer than we have um and they've seen really good success on it even when we've had to um cut into the overlay to do a water line repair you pour back the concrete level with it and it continues and moves on so we think we're going to see good success with it but we're kind of one of the people leading that charge um but I do overall when we had run our numbers for comparison we had found um that if we were going to do it I think it was every 10 years um it was going to cost us I'll have to go back and look at it again per mile it was going to be significantly less when we extended it out to 15 so but I can have some of those numbers shared with you no my my point was is that you guys are really not only on the Leading Edge of this stuff but you're taking very seriously every tax dollar that we're spending on this to make sure that we fully draw out as much time out of these roads before we've got to go back and um redo the entire process and so I I've as I've watched this um one of the things that I've been curious about is the long-term Financial impacts that it's going to bring to all of Plano um in being on the front edge of this I will say when you look back at um our original estimates if we are to have to replace the entire Road Network one more um the cost to replace the street in 2020 um the cost to replace our street Network um for our arterials would have been $1.8 billion if we had to go in and replace all of our arterials now just four years later it' be 2.3 billion so those replacement costs escalate consistently and so do repair costs but it's much more feasible to be able to do small repairs and make those Replacements as possible and so that was my point is that long-term commitment that we're making to making the roads nice and smooth as well as um extending the dollar the the Citizen's dollar that's being spent there I really appreciate you guys working very hard at that so thank you thank you we know the roads are very important to all of us and so we want to make sure it's a good ride quality as well commissioner oy I haven't had to replace two tires in the last two months it's important to all of us can you go back to the other slide that the slide you just came from that showed the 50% we constructed in the 1900s or what have you this particular is that what you said no no all the way back to the reconstr constuction of it yeah the 50% was constructed like 30 years ago oh so if this is passed um you know it takes a year two to three four five years to completely utilize this capacity do you have a sense of how what that number becomes in 5 years does it become do we eat into 10% of what is left for the 30-year Street Network um so the 50% of streets constructed over 30 years ago unless we were to completely replace a street we don't count that so what we're doing is we're just doing repairs to it um so the streets that were connect in red they're still red if it hasn't been completely replaced by engineering and Caleb when he comes in talks about Street Replacements it's a very small amount of streets that are replaced in Miles every year in the city so this number still holds pretty consistently because we do not have the bandwidth to replace a significant number of streets we're just doing repair and trying to extend the life of that street gotcha okay so do we have a I'm sure you do have a sense of the percentage of streets that have not been touched in the last 10 years so I can tell you that we recently pulled some numbers to figure out about how much pavement have we replaced since the last Bond and we have replaced not I shouldn't say replaced we've repaired um when you look at all of the roadway segments we have repaired 20% of the roadway Network in the last four years and I know I think everyone that lives in the community has felt that way and so we feel that this bond package is the right balance between keeping up with the maintenance that we need to do but without stressing too much on taking on too much we try not to have two parallel roads under construction at the same time and we try not to have um or two major arterials under con struct at the same time we we do pay attention to that but sometimes um acquisition some of the easement challenges happen intersections things delays it happens but that's our goal overall okay thank you all right other questions nobody all right thank you very much you're very welcome all right just so you guys realize we are at the Finish Line I'm the last one so Caleb Thornhill director of engineering I appreciate the time tonight um but obviously $700 million is a very important uh bond package and so we have a lot to cover uh a lot of mine are going to be very standard from the 21 Bond and I'll walk through those there's a few that are new and I'll give you a little more specifics on that the first one is alley reconstruction uh this is about six miles of alley replacement as Abby mentioned engineering will be involved when we're completely replacing the asset so whether it's an alley a screening wall uh a residential street a waterline aby's team will do the maintenance and repair on those if we do have a a bus in the line or something like that uh even screening walls they'll do repairs on the bricks but if it gets to a position where it's creating a safety challenge engineering will come in and replace it so the numbers you're seeing up here are the full replacement of an alley uh this is one of the new items we did not have this in the 21 bond package AG uh in our 2023 design standards or Street design standards we added some streets uh downtown for future connectivity uh to improve the uh flow downtown and so as a part of that we have added funding to reserve in case those uh areas should redevelop uh there's a couple reasons for that one uh if we do not have that funding is set aside State Legislature recently changed that we cannot require the dedication of those and we feel like a lot of these locations are very critical with the uh walkability the uh the Redevelopment the vision of downtown so this is a essentially it's to set aside funding in case some of these areas develop we can request that the rideway uh be dedicated uh but we will also be paying for that RightWay reservation and the new infrastructure that goes along with that project uh Bridge repair replacement this is a um an item that we use every year uh a lot of our Bridge repairs are sometimes seen underneath the bridge if we have erosion uh if we have improvements that need to occur to guardrails uh that improvements to the slabs uh it can be the replacement of a bridge uh with this is a picture of the shallow bridge that we did a full replacement of that if you're familiar on the east side we added the additional Lanes but we had to completely replace the bridge it was not adequate due to our uh drainage stainer that have changed over time and the bridge was very old so we did a full replacement of that location intersection improvements always our favorite uh intersection improvements are probably one of our most challenging uh we're adding capacity or congestion relief uh or there's a safety concern at those location so a lot of the times we'll see addition of dual left turns uh right turn left lanes for those two primary reasons the biggest challenges with these is they're at the intersections of arterial streets and there's a lot of utilities at every one of those Corners uh and when we're adding uh RightWay in capacity expanding the roadway to get those utilities relocated and to avoid hitting them they take time and as Abby mentioned earlier a lot of coordination with her team on the overlays Legacy is one we've had active for a number of years and we're actually out there constructing it uh we this is the picture at and Independence we finished that location uh we've got a couple more with that project uh but this is for $8 million which would include eight locations about a million dollars a location over the next uh bond package residential and collector Street reconstruction again similar to very uh very similar to Alley's this is a full replacement of the street um it will go from rideway to rideway so will also include sidewalk a lot of our older neighborhoods the a standards are outdated the ramps are not sufficient uh the street has deteriorated so we are going in and doing full Replacements of those and screening wall I touched on uh like I mentioned aby's team will do repairs on screening walls if the bricks are falling uh it's engineering will come in if there is a safety concern if the foundation's not appropriate a lot of these balls were built uh by developers years and years years ago and they didn't use the right peers so we're putting in new peers at these locations to make sure that they hopefully they don't ever fall and sidewalks uh it's a great picture we're adding a new sidewalk along Plano Parkway uh on the west side of Alma uh but this is for the either the Reconstruction of a sidewalk or filling in voids or gaps where we don't have sidewalk but needed today traffic improvements um we've had a huge initiative over the last few years we had funding in the 21 Bond and we've started bidding those projects out this is additional funding uh this is for essentially a full replacement of our traffic signal uh network uh the cabinet here you see in the picture there's also components of that called a controller that we're replacing uh We've invested in the past in our traffic Management Center which is upstairs here at Hall uh we're investing in fiber which will provide better connections to the signals and uh give us more eyes on the the field uh but better um communication with those locations also uh CCTV cameras uh vehicle detection upgrades just a a massive upgrade that's been long overdue for our signal Network system last one this is another new item um and we've this is one that we've coordinated with uh Abby Owens the director of Public Works U I heard the Parker Road term used earlier that was an engineering project uh and it it may not be completely evident but that was a Water Rehab project so aby's team before they do a a significant overlay will do a replacement of the utilities if they're outdated we've talked about that before that's what water or parker was we had to replace that water line we doing the exact same thing right now on Park Boulevard and what we've realized with a lot of these projects is there is a significant amount of Street work that goes along with a Water Rehab um and so the ability to fund that street repair from the street uh fund uh instead of using water it allows us to stretch that water fund even further so that's what this item is it will go correlate with uh waterline Replacements that we do in neighborhoods or along arterials uh but we can fund the Street replacement uh with this and that might be I got some animation there we go and that is it unless you have questions for me I do have a question real quick if you can go back to the downtown RightWay slide yes and it was really early in your presentation but I you were on a roll so I didn't want to interrupt you there you go so we we have just gone through the silver line downtown visioning process um I I I want to assume just by looking at the map and my knowledge of that plan that this has been coordinated with some of the master plan goals for that Redevelopment specifically south of 14th so is that just from what I can tell from here um it looks like that you've you've accommodated some of that but I guess that's more of a question have you looked at the Silver Line plan and coordinated your downtown rideway reservations with that guiding document yeah so this is an excerpt from our 2023 Street design manual so obviously it would Encompass the Silver Line plan the 12th Street the aerial uh locate or station uh so it did include the the Silver Line plan for downtown okay if that's if that's the question yeah that's the question just make sure that this has been updated because we just adopted that plan fairly recently that yall had updated it with the final recommendations of that report okay okay it looks like you have I just wanted to make sure I don't know is there mic is there anything you want to add to that um I'll say it's somewhat the opposite the Silver Line plan incorporates these improvements because they were done recently in the study of downtown so silver line which we come back to you at the next meeting has kept this plan in mind okay so bottom line is they're coordinated correct okay that's what I wanted to hear good all right thank you uh commissioner bronsky so couple quick questions on Bridges we've heard a lot of stuff going on about bridges and the national league of cities in 20202 reported that two out of every three Bridges across the United States is in quote poor condition okay what would you say are the conditions of our bridges um so like I said we do a bridge repair or or U rep not replacement a bridge repair project every year uh now what we will do is we'll do a design portion one year and then next year we'll do a construction struction project but while we're doing that construction we're starting design on the next one um we coordinate with teot teot produces a report it's called a Brin saap report and don't get me lying what the Brin saap acronym stands for but they essentially do a inventory and a um uh examination or inspection of all of our bridges throughout the city of Plano so we take that and then we will pull from it what the most critical locations that need repairs and put together a list of these projects we'll go out and do design uh some of them are I would say somewhat minor you know a they will rate that if a guard rail is missing on a bridge uh that is it is a huge safety concern so the bridge is not in danger of falling but if a guard rail is missing you know obviously there's a a safety issue um as far as the answer to our condition of our bridges I would say Plano is still a relatively young City so you know the majority of our infrastructure is somewhere in that 30 40 you know some instances 50 years I wouldn't say our bridges are in poor condition I would say the biggest challenge that we have is the bridges depending on the location is the uh storm drainage and whether or not there's scour erosion uh below the bridge but more importantly is the bridge designed at an adequate height and that's what we ran into Shiloh Shiloh we had to raise that bridge the bridge itself was adequate obviously it needed to be widened uh but we had to raise that bridge because of the uh Creek in the storm drainage and so using our new standards and the new data today we've got some adjustments we're looking at some other locations as well so second question is um in addition to all that conversation I know there was a lot of talk about a lot of different dollars and uh the are all of our bridges in Plano funded through things like this or do we see any state or federal dollars that come in to help that as well so since I've been here which has just been over 10 years the majority of them are funded through our bond package we do have a project that's active that teot is funding it's a a bridge along Parker and it's actually a box covert but they treat depending on the size of a box covert they'll treat it as a bridge class covert uh that is the first one that I've had funded outside of our bond okay thank you very much commissioner oy not a question just my inner picity flaring up on the water main slide I think you have the same word in for your description as the bridge slide uh oh somebody might just have copied and paste it wrong show me what you're talking about so I can get it fixed the last one yeah that's talking about bridges and the commentary Rehabilitation and reconstruction oh I see it now yeah good catch all right any other com comments from the commission nobody all right we have anybody else to present Karen and I will wrap us up so with that presentation staff recommends for approval subject to the Planning and Zoning commission finding that the proposed 2025 Bond referendum items are in conformance with the policies and actions of the city's comprehensive plan and if you have any additional questions for staff we're happy to answer those any other questions Commissioners all right I am going to take the Liberty to make the motion myself that the commission finds that the proposed uh 2025 Bond referendum items are consistent with the comprehensive plans policies and actions for facility and infrastructure management commissioner bronsky second all right any other comments Commission nobody all right we can vote please and that passes 8 to zero thank you staff appreciate yall hanging out with us and um commission why don't we take a five minute break and we'll come back and handle the last two items five minutes please [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] all right staff sorry I put y'all off till the end but uh I probably I'm sorry I had an inconvenience the three of y'all for everybody else but uh I'm sure they'll appreciate you tomorrow for sure yeah we got sugar cookies left over I know they're upstairs all right let's um Christy let's drop back to item 3A if you would please agenda item number 3A public hearing zoning case 2024 -25 request to amend the text of article 11 overlay districts Article 15 use specific regulations and related sections of the zoning ordinance to add a new Expressway Corridor overlay District which will apply the same boundary delineations from the expressway Corridor environmental health map in the comprehensive plan to describe the new boundary delay Del delineations for the expressway Corridor overlay District on the zoning map petitioner city of Plano this item is for legislative consideration would you like me to yeah go ahe and read 3B as well please thank you sir agenda item number 3B comprehens public hearing comprehensive plan Amendment 224-1 request to amend the economic environment pillar regionalism pillar and other comprehensive plan Act and to remove the expressway Corridor environmental health map and guidelines of the comprehensive plan applicant city of Plano this item is for legislative consideration great thank you uh good evening commission so I'm a Jordan Rockery senior planner in the planning department I'll be presenting on the zoning case which is item 3A uh after my presentation uh miam Z here will be presenting on item 3B which is the comprehensive plan case so the request tonight is to update the zoning ordinance requirements for development within Expressway corridors and there are corresponding updates to the comprehensive plan um regarding the current Expressway Corridor environmental health area guidelines and map so I was here about a month ago um for the call for public hearing on the um eha in that I detailed some of the history and the current regulations I'm going to go over those very briefly tonight since it was in recent memory that I was here so Plano does have a longstanding policy focused on limiting residental residential development in the expressway Corridor areas initially that was just a setback along Highway 121 and that was later expanded to the uh other expressways in the city the primary objectives of that was to preserve vacant land for economic development as well as protect the quality of life for residents the current policy uh in the comprehensive plan and the zoning ordinance um was adopted based on a 2019 study um as a result of that a map guidelines and goal were placed in the comprehensive plan and there were some requirements for development uh placed in the zoning ordinance the comprehensive plan guidelines apply to the review of zoning cases and the mitigation requirements in the zoning ordinance apply for a site plan review so there are uh six mation strategies uh outlined in the comprehensive plan these are all suggested and the comp plan does suggest a combination of mitigation strategies to achieve the goal um of uh noise mitigation in the zoning ordinance three of these are required mitigation strategies and these only apply to certain land uses as listed in the zoning ordinance the applicant was a or is able to suggest other mitigation strategies through the submission of an eha site analysis uh that site analysis is required for all zoning applications involving a sensitive land use within uh the expresso corridors the purpose of that analysis is to confirm the existing noise exposure propose mitigation strategies to achieve um the target of 65 DB LDN at exterior of sensitive land uses and to project the anticipated future noise exposure both with and without the proposed mitigation strategies so so far there have been nine zoning cases uh presented to this commission that have been subject to the eha guidelines and requirements um most of those have been unable to meet the policy goal but have suggested other mitigation strategies to comply with the intent of the goal a lot of these have been similar but not identical mitigation strategies and so through this uh requested Amendment we do have the opportunity to standardize mitigation strategies across projects so these updates are proposed to reenter Economic Development as a goal of the policy it has been somewhat lost and overshadowed by the focus on quality of life which remains an important consideration the updates are also proposed to simplify the review process for development strengthen and standardize the mitigation requirements and improve the transparency of this review process so for comp plan changes um the Express quor environmental health map as it currently exists would be taken out of the comp plan and on the guidelines would also be taken out of the comp plan there would be corresponding changes throughout the comprehensive plan uh switching current references to the expressway Corridor environmental health map to instead rever to refer to the expressway Corridor health study that was done in 2019 so that map would be replaced with an overlay District in the zoning ordinance um the two um areas would be renamed so ea1 which is the less restrictive would become the conditional Expressway Corridor overlay area and the more restrictive would be the restricted Expressway Corridor area um there are no proposed changes to the boundaries at this time that would require a new study and that would be a further budget ask so is not part of this um Amendment tonight so this would be the resulting map it's the same as the current map in the comp plan but again with just renamed areas and would be a zoning overlay district there would be slight changes to the proposed uh listed sensitive land uses um in order to Target the regulations to the uses that are most impacted by noise these are residential uses so the zoning ordinance currently has requirements for the development of multif family dwellings and large institutional dwellings so um Continuing Care Facilities assisted living facilities those uh types of developments those are currently um protected in the zoning ordinance single family dwellings and two family dwellings are subject to the current comp plan requirements but they would be added as listed uses in the zoning ordinance within that restricted um ECA none of these listed uses would be permitted it would be solely non-residential development in terms of the um development requirements that would be in the zoning ordinance uh I've grouped them into three categories on um air quality noise and separation so for air quality mitigation there would be a new requirement to provide um air filtration of MV 13 or higher and we would maintain the existing requirement that those be ducted um to the opposite side of the expressway from the building um I will note that this would only apply to the multif family and institutional dwellings it would not apply to the single family and duplex uses just because we want to maintain the flexibility for their lot layout of where they're locating any um sort of air filtration systems for noise mitigation um this is a brand new requirement um to have improved construction to achieve a maximum um interior noise level of 45 almost all of the developments that came before us had this as a proposed mitigation strategy so this is um enshrining that in the zoning ordinance for separation of land uses this uh is broken out into two different categories one for um developments that are within 500 feet of an expressway and one for developments that are more than 500 feet of an expressway uh 500 was chosen as this was a figure from that study where um after 500 feet that's where there's a noticeable uh decline in most Airborne uh particulate matter So within 500 ft um it's a modified requirement currently there is a hard requirement that a um non-residential building or structure be constructed between the listed use and the expressway we would have that as one option alternatively they could provide a 100 foot landscape edge with a landscaped burm for development more than 500 feet from the expressway this is um added from what uh we presented at the last meeting uh to recognize that our current EA or ECA boundaries do include our Dart lines and our Rail lines which are not near expressways and so may not need the same level of protection um from partic from Airborne particulates so in this case um they would not be required to have a building between the sensitive land use and the noise Source they would just be required to provide a minimum 15 foot landscape Edge and that landscape Edge is a current requirement that um applies across all land uses one thing that has been added um back in since I was last here was the ability for the commission to wave requirements um there is a stipulation that the waiver must be based on um a finding that there is sufficient noise and um air filtration mitigation provided um by the applicant we've also added the clarification that none of the requirements of this section can be varied by the board of adjustment so either the applicant is following the requirements or they receiving a waiver from the Planning and Zoning commission so we had also chatted about uh parking garages at the last meeting um and the concern with encouraging the use of parking garages to screen buildings and having them uh placed uh close to roadways um since the high visibility of the structures can impact the uh streetscape and the quality of development so there's five um suggested requirements these would apply to all parking garages throughout the city uh some of these are pulled from existing requirements in the neighborhood business Design District and BD some of them are new requirements we have modified these based on the discussion that we had with the commission at the last meeting and that is all noted in the packet so to summarize the changes to the zoning ordinance and the eha portion of the comprehensive plan um there's updates to the zoning ordinance proposed to create a new overlay District change the um listed uses and add some requirements for development in those areas and also to introduce city-wide requirements for parking garages and for the comprehensive plan um it would be to remove the eha map and guidelines from the comp plan and to update the references throughout the plan to refer instead to the study and I'll now pass on to you Mar good evening commission my name is Mariam zah here planner with the planning department um my portion of the presentation will cover the other comprehensive plan amendments outside of the eha items um before I jump into this specifics you just wanted to cover um the items that have come before this commission earlier this year so on May 20th we presented the call for public hearing and also identified the scope of this year's review on June 17th we presented the economic environment pillar updates um and Doug McDonald the economic development director was also present to answer any questions that the commission had but also was there in support of the recommended updates on July 15th we presented the regionalism pillar and some other miscellaneous action updates and all kind of go more in depth with that and this evening we're here for the um comprehensive plan Amendment rgm 7 or Redevelopment and growth management policy Action 7 um provides guidance to review the comprehensive plan every two years to ensure consistency with Citywide goals and respond to development Trends and changing conditions although rgm 7 provides direction to review the comp plan every two years staff has developed a 10-year review schedule to annually review various maps and pillars in more manageable sections um the 2024 review is highlighted here and then those items include the economic environment pillar regionalism pillar Expressway Corridor environmental health map and guidelines and other comprehensive plan actions and those other comprehensive plan action updates are a result of endof year feedback that we received from departments who have a lead role in implementing these actions and then also we are incorporating Plano at maturity um retained actions so that was retied in 2022 just want to also cover that the updates before you this evening are two kind of separate updates um some are administrative updates and that's just updates to facts and figures or minor minor statistical updates and then the second set are updates that require a plan Amendment um and include changes to policies action vision statements guiding principles Maps dashboards um I do just want to highlight that the updates that we are presenting this evening are minor updates um and these are not major updates major updates would be more policy Direction changes um but these are more updates related to um implementation the economic environment pillar is comprised of two components on which include two policies and a total of 11 actions as shown on the screen staff work closely with the economic development department in reviewing this pillar and as I mentioned we presented these with um Doug McDonald on June 17th note that there are updates proposed to the component background both policy backgrounds and statements and five existing actions and one new action is proposed and I'll cover this further on in the presentation but the one new proposed um new action incorporates to PLO at maturity actions that were retained the regionalism pillar is comprised of one component six policies and a total of 31 actions staff worked closely to review um this pillar with various departments who had a lead role in implementing it we presented this on July 15th and sought the commission's direction um there are updates proposed to the component background policy background ground and statements of some but not all of the policies and 16 actions so the other comprehensive plan updates are outlined on the screen and those within as um relate to the Plano at maturity retained actions so the end of year result end ofe status feedback um we were able to identify actions that were either complete or obsolete um and propos updates accordingly and then the other is actions retained from the Plano at maturity 2003 report um on October 3rd 2022 the commission um recommended retiring the um study but retaining seven of the actions that were not incorporated into the comprehensive plan in some way um you'll see we are proposing five new actions and one revised action and once again um you know on the left you see that it notes six actions but just please note that Dr 7 diverse and resilient economy Action 7 incorporates two of the Plano at maturity actions um at this time staff recommends approval of both the zoning case 2024-25 item as well as the comp plan Amendment CPA what I'd like to do is let's focus our initial comments on the zoning case which is about the overlay districts um and the EA incorporation as an overlay let's handle that um have the public hearing on it um have action on that item and then we'll come back to the comprehensive plan amendments with additional comments and questions after that so um Commissioners we have questions about the zoning case regarding taking the e ha and turning them into codified zoning code versus in the comprehensive plan questions comments Comm oy just one question on the conditional EA and the 100 foot burn the 100 foot I believe applies to the distance from the uh Expressway is there a height to the requirement to the burn there is let me find it yes so um the landscape burn must have a minimum height of six feet and there is a minimum slope and then there's also a number of trees and shrubs and that's all written into um got that stipulation um second question the parking structure requirement did I read it right that the the requirement in the NBD is going to be applied pulled Citywide where the parking structures need to tie into the facade of the structures they serve or yes so currently there's I can't remember how many um different requirements for parking garages in NPD two or three of them would be taken out to apply Citywide one of those is the requirement for that architectural harmony with the building that it serves gotcha okay thank you all right commissioner Bender thank you commissioner um just had a question about when you look at our surrounding cities um do they have are they do they currently have or are they implementing similar policies that we're talking about here on environmental noise or on parking structures well environmental noise noise and and maybe the same thing with structures are are you know Frisco Allen you know mcken are they doing similar types of things that you're aware of so my understanding is that with um the original uh policy which was that 1,200 foot setback along 121 that was shared with um I believe mcken and Allen uh were also applying the same in terms of the mitigation against noise and mitigation against Airborne particulates that one I think we're leading the pack I the only other one that I could find when we were kind of doing some peer research is uh I believe the San Antonio had some noise requirements for development near their military bases yeah I I think um I think this is all very positive um positive changes I think having the uh requirement of having the engineer engineering report before the certificate of occy is really putting teeth into it and the other question I had is thoughts about Redevelopment about applying some of these things to potentially redevelopments in the future um thoughts on that yeah so we we wrote in um in the what is it the applicability statement so at uh point three where anything that's on on the ground today they get to comply with whatever it was when they were constructed Redevelopment would be subject to these new requirements okay great because you know I think as we look moving forward that's going to be a big big piece is ensuring that we we continue to upgrade and I asked you know from a competitive standpoint uh economically right we're competing with sometimes with other cities but I think we want to make sure that we have a high quality product and uh so I think these are these are great standards and you know when I was on Planning and Zoning before this came up often and uh having some of these things uh you know locked down or or is I think is much better we're going to be consistent with how we interpret policy moving forward so good work thank you all right commission bronsky fabulous I uh this is is uh as I think I've told Michael and Christina this is kind of what I've been hoping to see for a couple years now and getting to a place where uh we're starting to relook at some of this so you talked about standardizing the um the mitigation right the the do we have or are we considering anything as it relates the flexibility for the potentiality as we experienced even since the comprehensive plan of new mitigation um opportunities that developers or uh people that they bring in are do are we going to have a similar situation where we're going to need to go back and look at this again or can are we a little more Forward Thinking in the the potentiality of future mitigations uh and opportunities there yeah so with what we've put into to this it's largely based on what we've been seeing to date so as I mentioned almost all the developments have come in with that 45 interior noise standard so you know if everyone's going to do it we might as well just put it into the ordinance um whether or not we'll see alternatives to the separation requirement I that's the one where I can see there might be some changes I can't see I think mine was more in lines with the particulate matters and things like that and how they're mitigating for uh particulate so an alternative to because right now the proposal is for like a MV 13 um I'm not an expert in that field so I don't know what other kinds of mitigation there would be with the waiver that we have in there it is contingent on the commission finding that there is a sufficient something to meet the intent of the policy whether or not the commission will request an Engineers report to support um their findings would be up to the commission at that time but that's what the the waiver is in there to Pro provide that flexibility my last thing I want to is more of a comment the intentionality of the eha study and the reason that we put those in there was to prod protect the economic development along uh those four major highways and I have to say that whenever look at the restricted area and the language that we're using there as it relates to um residential dwellings and things like that moving from discouraged to prohibited I think that's a home run uh we no longer have questions because the big problem is a guideline is not effective if we don't follow it and to make it very clear that Our intention is to have Economic Development on here and not any kind of residential developments occurring in the restricted areas and um being careful is even how we're looking at the conditional uh areas uh I think you guys hit a home run on exactly the intent of why we developed this eha and why we've I think been successful with it so thank you yeah thank you Comm Tong thank you Mr chairman again I want to concur with the previous Comm Commissioners that you've done a great job thank you so much um on this report and updates to the to our ordinance um I also had a couple questions regarding the distance and I AG I agree with also other Commissioners that that's great we have clear language there um but I want to ask you about the distance like the 100 feet or there's one slides about something about 15 feet I can't remember what exactly what how do you how did you determine those uh dist did you actually have have to go out to do a uh analysis engineer or noise or air pollution test for that distance or it's just a like a general best practice we got from other cities so how did you conclude with that number yeah so for the three distances so first the 15t landscape Edge um that's an existing requirement that's already in the zoning ordinance so that's carried forward so we didn't reexamine the the 15t um I believe typically it's a 10t landscape Edge is what's required except when you're in an overlay District um such as the Dallas North Tollway overlay then it's a 30 foot landscape Edge so it's the more restrictive of the two it would be either 30 foot or 15 foot depending where you are exactly so that's where the 15 came from it's existing so we didn't re-examine it the 100 foot for the landscape edge with uh Landscaping the BM the trees I believe that's from a previously approved plan development that we just you know we saw that we had approv a plan development we just took those moved them into the ordinance and then the 500 feet for that distance um where you get a little bit less of a separation requirement that's as I mentioned it's from that uh 2019 study well I was going to say that um we approved that case it's Case by case which is totally different from we're making it into an ordinance so probably um I will be happier if we heard some really actual scientific analysis to make sure that number is the number that we want but it's okay I understand where you coming from um another suggestion or my uh OB observation is about the noise and air pollution May relate to the height of the highway and the traffic I don't know if there's any analysis that's done um between the the correlation of the the the height of the highway relative to the uh where the development is to the distance I'm not sure if I explain it well like like how far away from the highway could be related to the height of the highway where the highway is yeah so we didn't get into that andal Anis for the purpose of this case but um what I have on your screen right now is the map based on that 2019 study and you can see at the areas where the expressways meet where you have those large elevated portions of the expressway the um both the conditional and the restricted areas flare out considerably you especially see it um down at 75 in the pgbt um the conditional um overlay goes all the way to Colin Creek um so just from that analysis you can see how much the sound travels um because these measurements were based on sound measurements on the ground so that was done in the past we didn't redo um any of that study uh for the purpose of tonight gotcha thank you those are my questions commissioner brunov thank you Mr chairman um if if we adopt this would projects that are currently existing or have are currently approved would they be entitled to continue to exist and go forward yes they would have their bested development traits even if they were in a for example an eha what is presently an eh2 prohibited Zone correct okay because I remember for example we a couple of years ago we dealt with the the the JPL apartments that had some eh2 issues and um in cases of that case and others like it I mean we we sat here spinning our Wheels wondering first of all the comprehensive plan whether it really prohibited uh sensitive land uses in an eh2 area or not I think the language was they were disfavored but it didn't actually come out and say they were prohibited and so we were here trying to discern whether or not it was okay with a comprehensive plan if they they mitigated or whether or not open space was U usable or not um whether or not the relevant noise measurement was an out to be an outdoor measurement or an indoor measurement we had to look at pages and pages of the applicants noise studies giving us a deci level at multiple places on every story of every building that was proposed to be built and we spent a lot of we spun a lot of Wheels going over this stuff and I think it makes all kinds of sense as to codify some standards tell the developers what they're expected what they can't what they have to do in some rare cases and I hope that they are rare you know they can come to us for a waiver with the caution that you know you start waving everything all the time and you lose the ordinance so I think we should be judicious in our granting of waivers uh if in answer to Mr brony's point that um you know new developments new technological developments may come along such that new mitigation strategies might be on the table um we can always reexamine the ordinance you know down the road if it comes to that but um our emphasis should be on having an ordinance that is firm that is enforcable that is enforced and that we don't throw away by abusing the waiver power okay but thank you very much yeah thank you commissioner um commissioner Ry just a quick clarifying question mhm for the reca there is no waiver no waiver that's strictly prohibited that's out of our hands correct for the CCA there's a possibility of a waiver if the commission determines that the mitigation of um strategies are appropriate for all the listed uses not just the multi family use correct correct just check it all right any other questions all right um open the public hearing do we have any speakers on this item there are none none um all right close the public hearing strict comments to the commission commiss bronsky I am thrilled to say that I move that we approve agenda item 3A as recommended by staff commissioner oy given the long Journey we've had on eha I will second that and commissioner brunov you had your light on all right okay we have a motion in a second we've got a technological deal over there because we already closed that item so yeah I I'll give our technical team a second to no we have a motion by commissioner bronsky and a second by commissioner oi all right there we go all right all in favor passes eight to nothing all right let's move on to 3B all right commission we have uh questions for the staff on item three B which is the um amendments to the economic development pillar uh regionalism pillar and other comprehensive plan actions specifically related to the ecas commissioner brunov does a motion to approve item 3B have to be conditioned on the council approval of 3A um I believe it was just the opposite actually is that correct we're actually conditioning them upon each other because one is the zoning Amendment one is the complain amendment to remove the map from the complants they need to be both approved or both denied so okay probably the easy thing is to the recommendation of staff that way it's covered in their recommendation the way it needs to be covered okay all right I will have to have a public hearing so I'm not ready for a motion just yet let's handle question if anybody's got them any questions from Commissioners all right you're getting off light all right open the public hearing are there any speakers on this item there are none all right I'll close the public hearing all right now commissioner Ling felter I move that we approve uh item 3B as recommended by staff commissioner brunov second all right have have a motion by commissioner Lingenfelter second by commissioner brunov all everybody vote motion passes 8 to zero all right comments of public interest there are no comments of public interest nobody signed up for comments of public interest all right um uh I believe Mr Bell had wanted the floor oh yeah before we adjourn I just wanted take a quick moment to uh recognize Mr Eric Hill assistant director of planning department this will be his last meeting after a very storyed over 20-year career with the plane Department attending many Meetings In This Very Room over the years um he's been he's very highly respected in the department he's been a mentor to many planners um and a friend to myself um we're um very much to get to miss him in the department and wish him well and we want to ask the commission to join us and and wishing him well future endeavors thank you Mr Bell thank you commission it's been wonderful to work with you and we have such a tremendous staff here it's just been an honor to be here thank you we tried to keep you here late just for Old Time sake did it on purpose I know well Mr Hill don't be a stranger I know you've got great things ahead of you still to do so um it's been pleasure working with you and we appreciate your service to the citizens of Plano so thank you very much all right with that said um we stand We Stand adjourned at 911 p.m. and we'll see everybody have next year and have a very Merry Christmas and um we'll see you next year [Music] [Music] [Music] version of an Urban Village isn't it yes it is that's true and it's also going to to take and connect in hopefully with Downtown encourag Development from there to keep going