Based on the context provided and the dialogue within the transcript, here is the formatted version with speaker names identified. **Note on Commission Members:** Several names mentioned in the transcript (Romans, Halberg, Maske, Tykan) do not appear on the specific Planning Commission list provided in your context. However, as they are formally addressed as "Commissioner [Name]" by the Chair and staff, they have been identified accordingly. [0:00] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** a regular meeting we have everybody here today so we will not be doing verbal roll calls just be a voice vote um called meeting to order and first item is approval of the minutes from february 14 2022 any corrections anything if there are none we'll consider those to be approved next up is other actions number three is continued rise up recovery special use permit 2022-14 operation the state license residential facility 305 history days in continuation from last meeting john [0:45] **John Hinzman (Community Development Director):** thank you mr chair planning commissioners within your packet i provided an update of some of the information that was requested at the last meeting again what we're looking at tonight is a special use permit for rise up recovery this would be for a state licensed residential facility what they're planning to do is to operate a facility called providence house at 303 east 5th street this would contain a board and lodging with special service to services permit for substance use and disorderly recovery so we reviewed this at the last planning commission meeting on february 14th held a public hearing at that time we had a couple of people that provided comment at the meeting also a number of comments that were provided previous to the meeting so a summary of all those comments or actually all those comments are within your packet tonight so at the meeting there were some questions that the planning commission [1:31] **John Hinzman:** had related to the operation of the facility we looked at those questions worked with the applicant tiffany newhart and was able to bring back clarification on some of those i'll go through a summary of that tonight tiffany is here if you have any clarification for her as well so looking at the information that was requested at the last meeting a lot of it was relating to operations so there was a number of documents that were submitted by rise up for the packet including a letter from dr jeremiah fairbanks who's here tonight talking about the addiction medicine services and how they would work with rise up recovery their housing intake agreement intake checklist screening form and a number other of other documents in [2:17] **John Hinzman:** here from those documents we were able to review the operations from a staff standpoint and we use those to to hone in better on the special use permit conditions many of the special use permit permit conditions within the packet are taken directly from the the agreements and uh the policy manuals that were proposed by rise up so looking at the questions that we had last week one of them was relating to the definition of who they'd be serving short-term long-term pre-treatment of residents from my understanding in the information provided there's really two types of treatment that are occurring within this facility one would be what's termed pre-treatment or short-term emergency these are [3:03] **John Hinzman:** individuals that are awaiting enrollment into a program not in a program yet awaiting enrollment one of the things that rise up would do is they'd have a requirement that these individuals albeit they're not in a program would begin to have services as they're being housed at the facility the other would be post-treatment these are individuals enrolled within a treatment program having treatments so that would be that population as far as how many would consist of either that would be unclear at this point that may vary other question was operation of similar facilities operated by rise up as noted rise up operates a couple of other facilities within dakota county one in burnsville one in lakeville they are each four bedrooms the [3:49] **John Hinzman:** burnsville residence is located as licensed as a board and lodging facility that houses six women and receiver receives housing support funding so what they're doing there is is housing people that are in the treatment program the aspect here of pre-treatment emergency services are not being done at those locations also some information relating to other types of facilities that operate similarly in the packet of information it was noted that there's a couple of facilities doc's recovery in rochester and beyond brink and mankato that operates similar to what is being proposed tonight that is they have two types of facilities they have the pre-treatment the emergency bed and the [4:35] **John Hinzman:** post-treatment facilities i was able to to look into and speak to individuals at doc's recovery and beyond brink to learn a little bit more about their operations doc's recovery has a 14 bed facility it's part of kind of a larger operation that they do it's on an old college campus so it's a little bit set away from some other aspects of the community but seems to work out well there beyond brink operates in mankato with 13 beds this is located mostly in an industrial area with some homes in the facility both noted that the pre-treatment stays are generally going to be two to ten days another question that campbell was a level of recovery treatment of individuals served rise up noted that they will provide outpatient community based substance use [5:20] **John Hinzman:** and disorder services the individuals would be medically stable and some may be in early recovery and using emergency housing beds as a need for stabilization an opportunity to get connected with the services they need elsewhere they will also have longer term recovering housing they noted many would be working or attending school as they're going through the program here and they've built partnerships with many other people one of the program care crossing out of stillwater minnesota staffing of the facility they did note within their documents that there would be a licensed alcohol and drug counselor overseeing the home and that staffing the home on a 24 7 basis would be what's termed certified peer recovery specialist so this is a [6:06] **John Hinzman:** a requirement or excuse me a certification that is necessary in some of the background information as to what compromi comprises the certifications within the packet itself so these are individuals that are experts at peer recovery have lived experience and recovery within the community and they're going to be over seen by the director as far as a daily schedule of activities what happens in an average day staffing movement etc so the nature of peer recovery is to get people actively engaged in recovery in the communities out there working volunteering going to meetings there may be residents who have brought two peer recovery staff to appointments and assist in other job-related activities so there could be several trips per day related to that [6:54] **John Hinzman:** leading to expectations of residents behavior they did put documents together which relate to the expectations related to curfew smoking visitors belongings group attendance meeting attendance chores cleanliness accountability respect to others so they have these documented within their rules and performance and there's some requirements for people to to to verify and sign that they will contract that they will follow these limitations on vehicles would be six that's noted within their information as well so that's kind of a summary of the information that they have provided so when we take a look at the from a staff standpoint of the an analysis of what we have today [7:40] **John Hinzman:** from what i see they've developed a very thoughtful and detailed plan for operations they've detailed the rules expectations of those served and consequences for those that do not follow the rules we have a lot more information now than we did a couple of weeks ago which is good there's the demand and needs documented for both the pre-treatment the emergency bed and the post-treatment those being treated those have been documented as well we'll note that in treatment those suffering from substance abuse can often involve a level of volatility that comes with any treatment program that could occur the question that really comes up to the planning commission tonight is do the operation of procedures and rules established by rise up along with the conditions established under the special [8:25] **John Hinzman:** use permit mitigate any operational concerns what is your comfort level with what they're doing and the rules set down to establish that i we have shared concerns of staff that the pre-treatment housing of individuals is subject to further restrictions of movement and activities which may be indicative of a greater chance of volatility and violation of rules we took a look at the information from a staff standpoint noted that individuals that are in pre-treatment are just that they're not in treatment yet they there may be more of a volatility factor involved with that there's rules established that are more stringent for those individuals does that pose a greater risk on the community and in particular that neighborhood with these individuals i did note that the proximity of the [9:12] **John Hinzman:** home here within a residential neighborhood with neighbors in close proximity is a little bit different than some of the other ones that they have up that they noted in operation in doc's recovery on a college campus former college campus and beyond brink which is a little more distant more industrial in nature ask the question if removing pre-treatment housing from the site would be less impactful in the neighborhood and more consistent with other post-treatment facilities in response rise up stated that the level of structure and support the supervision along with requirements of medical stability upon admission and rise up operation as an at will voluntary program and i think this is a key distinction too they're not accepting court mandated treatments but [9:57] **John Hinzman:** people who want to be within the treatment program they believe that that reduces the risk of rule violation volatility and so they would have a structure provided at providence house that would be greater than other facilities they believe that the housing of treatment pre-treatment short-term emergency individuals is essential and provides for a great need within the community so the statement that we have from them is essential they believe rules are set in place to mitigate any volatility that may occur from pre-treatment individuals so we as staff we are recommending approval we've added a number of conditions to the report tonight that hopefully will help to mitigate [10:42] **John Hinzman:** some of the some of the issues that could come up in the future i'll run through those here then maintaining of a state license from the board of lodging and special services from the state having a rental license locally that'll go through building electrical and other requirements uh from a ordinance standpoint must be supervised by a licensed alcohol drug counselor 24 7 staffing by certified peer recovery support specialists or similar type of training no more than 10 residents will be housed housing limited to medically stabilized pre-treatment individuals and those enrolled in a qualified post-treatment program residents must participate in peer recovery support services that's [11:29] **John Hinzman:** consistent with the documentation that they shared with us they must maintain rules for conduct and expectations for residents served including immediate dismissal of residents possessing illicit drugs alcohol and mood altering chemicals that again comes from the documents that rise up had developed for this as well pre-treatment individuals those in the the short-term emergency bed category shall reside and remain at providence house until a treatment placement is made the only exception of that would be an accompaniment by a member of a post-treatment program to attend recovery so they are to remain at the house unless they are within recovery that's for the pre-treatment individuals so hopefully that would provide a little more stability there to mitigate any volatility that could [12:16] **John Hinzman:** come up residents of the facility should be respectful of the neighbors should refrain from going out indoors or on the front steps of residents adjacent to the facility that comes from the rules as well outdoor smoking shall be limited to a designated area out of public view that limits impact to surrounding residences residents should not gather in outdoor areas unless accompanied by staff resident intakes you'll be by appointment only with no walk-up intake services transportation arrangements must be made for residents discharged from the treatment program so we don't have people that would be leaving the facility on foot the number of vehicles limited to six operation must maintain the peace tranquility and livability of the surrounding neighborhood that was uh [13:02] **John Hinzman:** when i had spoken to the the police chief schaefer a little bit about operational conditions that was one that he uh wanted to have within the permit requirements and then the standard sunset clause provision so that is a summary of of what we've learned and the recommendation that we have a staff here we held the public hearing on february 14th i'm not aware of anyone who wishes to speak other than potentially the applicant here tonight so with i can stand for any questions or if you have any questions for tiffany or dr fairbanks they're here as well thank you [13:42] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** okay thanks john appreciate it all right i will open it up to commissioners [13:47] **Commissioner Romans:** discussion commission romance uh john quick question on just the procedures for a special use permit as far as being in violation of any of these things um just a logistical question can you walk us through what it means so you know of these conditions if they're laid out here what would happen if they're in violation of them just for everybody to know sure [14:23] **John Hinzman:** violation of any of the conditions within the special use permit could be grounds for revocation now to what level of uh a violation would trigger the pulling of one you know i i think we have a little bit of latitude in that one but ultimately it would be a discussion by city council and an action by city council to revoke it so there would [14:34] **John Hinzman:** there'd have to be some clear ongoing violations in my opinion for revocation to occur [14:40] **Commissioner Romans:** okay so if there's just some small things throughout the time that the cities were willing to work with and back and forth before you know uh any permits are pulled or anything like that but that there is a clause in here that if if things went badly the city could do something about it [14:56] **John Hinzman:** correct [14:57] **Commissioner Romans:** okay ideal no i think that's i just i wanted a little bit of clarification on that process um moving forward so thanks all right [15:15] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** commissioner romans thank you commissioners mr peters i knew i was gonna push my button um yeah [15:21] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** just a question looking at the conditions that are described all of them are very clear and objective and you know it's easy to see if it's being met or not the one that that isn't is the one that the um hastings police added about the operation must maintain peace tranquility and livability of the surrounding neighborhood and that one is a little bit more subjective so is that something where it would reference like if police were involved or neighbor complaints or if nuisance violations were you know violated that kind of thing because i the rest of the conditions i think are all really good but i think that one is a little bit subjective and i would hate you know for that to be a challenge for um providence house you know and come [16:06] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** back to i don't know if it ends up coming back to you or to whomever but that's the only one that sticks out as being subjective [16:13] **John Hinzman:** yeah commissioner peters i agree that that is a subjective uh value that's put in there uh it's designed in from my perspective as a catch-all not that we're looking to find violation but there's some aspects of operations which may be could be problematic here that don't fit nicely into the other boxes here to me anytime you have a statement like that where it is very vague the level that is necessary to trigger an action for revocation is much stronger on that so i [16:51] **John Hinzman:** it was balancing and talking to the chief it was really a balance between you know you may get police calls in there but how relevant are the police calls uh you know is it with the peace and tranquility of the neighborhood you may get complaints on there how valid are those complaints that come forward on that so it it's it's intentionally made to be vague uh in case there are things in here that become overwhelming but are not succinctly identified here in the other conditions but with that the level is much higher the threshold for violation on that all right thank you [17:33] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** commissioner peters commissioner albert [17:37] **Commissioner Halberg:** thank you mr chair uh first off tiffany dr fairbanks thank you very much for all of this uh last time we were here we asked for some clarification and well we got that in spades so thank you for doing your due diligence and helping get all this together greatly appreciate it my one question is i know we spoke because there's some trepidation last time around the staffing levels and tiffany had stated that you know you'd be more than comfortable having the two staff on is that something we're looking to have as a part of the conditions john or are we comfortable with um tiffany saying that yep they'll be having two staff members on i know there was a lot of concern about what if ha something happens at you know [18:22] **Commissioner Halberg:** one o'clock in the morning how are we gonna have one staff member there we yet another staff member needs to take somebody you know to another treatment facility or whatever the case might be so i guess i'm just i'm just curious as to where we want to put that on there if we want to put that on there um so i'm just asking for a point of clarification but again thank you very much for all of this [18:50] **John Hinzman:** mr hallberg with in the conditions that i have provided here it doesn't set a a number of individuals it says that there need to be a minimum of i suppose one individual that would need to be there 24 7 a day and i know that the last meeting there was a discussion and a potential proposal that more would be on i think more would be better on this situation [19:08] **John Hinzman:** if the planning commission felt compelled to require a higher level that's that's up to their discretion [19:14] **Commissioner Halberg:** thanks john thanks mr chair all right thanks [19:18] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** commissioner hubbard commissioner maske [19:20] **Commissioner Maske:** so what happens if a patient decides at one o'clock in the morning they absolutely just don't want to be there and they don't want you to take them anywhere what what happens they just walk out the door and there's nothing to restrain them how do what happens at that point yes [19:50] **Tiffany Newhart (Rise Up Recovery):** should i don't do the whole tiffany new hearth rise up recovery um yeah um that's absolutely a possibility um that can happen i i actually i also spoke with both doc's recovery house and beyond the brink again to kind of get an idea of what they do in terms of staffing and that sort of thing and staffing they always have somebody on 24 7. and so if there's an emergency situation that that comes in the middle of the night i'm on call some other people are on call somebody is at the house providing supervision so that the other people are not left alone the expectation will be very clear from from admission that that you can't just walk out the [20:36] **Tiffany Newhart:** doors right i mean it's we're an at-will program so technically you can but if you want to discharge the policy will be you come and you talk to staff and we'll help you with an appropriate discharge procedure including getting you transportation to your ultimate destination and that may look like them calling a family member to come and pick them up if they don't want us to take them and that's completely feasible but but it will be clearly outlined that you're not just to walk out the doors and leave at two o'clock in the morning now could that happen of course we're not a locked facility that could i do want to highlight the point again that being an at-will program changes dynamics completely people aren't forced to be there people aren't court ordered to peop to be there [21:22] **Tiffany Newhart:** people are not civilly committed to be there these are individuals who want to be there from experience working in residential treatment facilities i would say probably on a at least multi-weekly basis you have people who say listen i'm tired of this this is hard i want to leave and that often looks like having a mediation with them and sitting down and talking with them and using motivational interviewing skills to help them make the choice to stay most of the time 9 out of 10 times 9.9 out of 10 times they end up staying so it's kind of a skill thing right talking with people and helping them to make the choice to stay does that answer your question [22:04] **Commissioner Maske:** yeah it does but it still doesn't you know you still you can't restrain them it is an at-will program so they can leave when they want to leave and if they've absolutely decided they want nothing to do with the program at one or two in the morning and they're out of there they're out of there [22:23] **Tiffany Newhart:** yes they are and so um i i yeah okay you know i mean that that does look like them leaving quietly right yeah i mean you would hope so yeah um [22:42] **Commissioner Maske:** unfortunately i've got too many individuals that i've conferred with in the last week or so you know one of which has a has a child that's 30 years old that's been in multiple recovery programs and she says he's waiting to get into another one he didn't know deed just this last week and he said you know so he's been in and out of recovery programs so she says you know it's hard because they just never you know and you can't you never know they get something that sets them off and they say they don't have drugs on them next thing you know they're out of somewhere they've got something stashed in the odd on it so it's kind of one of those deals where it's hard for you know to hear that this is going to be not a problem within a neighborhood of somebody wanting to be out of there and that's that to me is my conflict with this it's hard for me to hear that this isn't going to be you you're not going to have a [23:42] **Commissioner Maske:** disruption of the neighborhood no matter how good your your sop is you know and unfortunately this is a designated residential neighborhood and it's our historic residential neighborhood of the city and what do we want that residential neighborhood to look like you know if it's our historic residential neighborhood of the city and that's that's why i'm asking these questions now i mean i i applaud you for what you're doing i think it's a great pro great idea great concept and everything it's just where it's placed is not necessarily a good fit for where i think it should be so anyway those are my that that's all i have to say do you know oh okay thanks [24:32] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** commissioner maskey light there you go commissioner tykan [24:35] **Commissioner Tykan:** thank you mr chair uh and thank you tiffany and i echo uh commissioner hallbergs thanks for all this information this is great um i know we kind of put you through the ringer last time uh but you know i i've thought about it for a couple weeks and for some reason you know and i said i'm not emotional but i have the feeling that people think these are criminals and they're not necessarily criminals they're people in society that might need some help and i'm not sure why we're treating them differently thank you um i read through these 16 recommendations [25:13] **Commissioner Tykan:** and i wish i could put some of these on my neighbor i really do so i think we're making you jump through more hoops than anybody else in the city that might be doing drugs might be drinking and driving you know if my neighbor came home drunk would we mate would we put him through some of this stuff that we're putting you through i don't know but at the same time we have a duty to protect the city and do things make sense where they are you're being asked to place so we we do have some duty to kind of look at things and um you know the idea that this is that well placement i think helps too because i've been involved in the [25:59] **Commissioner Tykan:** criminal justice system and i know that people don't want to do when they're forced to do things but if they're being asked for some help then hopefully they'll get some help unfortunately you know when i read through some of these letters in the end i don't know if your system would have helped those people or not which is unfortunate right sounds like a lot of those people weren't asking for help and they ended up odin so i think it's a segment of society that we need to do something for and i applaud you for doing it um so my question to you is of these 16 recommendations are animals are you gonna have a hard time following [26:41] **Tiffany Newhart:** no sir okay no i feel completely comfortable with all of them and they all make sense absolutely um [26:45] **Commissioner Tykan:** and then you know to the city staff thank you for pulling all that information together too that was a lot of work um my question to you is around the rental housing licenses so beyond the 16 we have here there's a there's a bunch of rules for a rental house too right and that could be another avenue that we could take to this doesn't work out for the city to kind of separate uh ways with us [27:14] **John Hinzman:** yeah commissioner with the rental housing licensure it's more about the adherence to certain building and electrical and fire code requirements that are based upon you know having more people in a structure so not detailing the operations of a treatment facility but more realization of [27:31] **John Hinzman:** making sure that the building is operated safely within in a larger number of people as so as as far as that goes if we have a apartment building with a bunch of police calls is there anything that the rental license can take care of that or not really [27:53] **John Hinzman:** yeah commissioner under the rental license right now it'd have to be a specific violation i mean it would be the nature of what the police call would be i would imagine not just the nature of having police calls [28:05] **Commissioner Tykan:** okay um so i i'm actually uh you know in support of this and i think 15 should remain in there i think it's just kind of a safety net for the city and for the neighborhood if something doesn't work out but i'm hopeful that this works out for everybody so thank you mr chair all right thanks [28:23] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** commissioner tykan mr leifeld did you have anything i can't see anything i can't see your lighter and you have anything nope okay not right now okay commissioner is there any other commissioner harper uh are you ready to entertain a motion [28:44] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** yeah if there's no other further discussion just one quick check commission leifeld go ahead [28:48] **Commissioner Leifeld:** yeah i just want to reiterate thank you for pulling all this together i think you above went above and beyond um and you know finding the resources that we were asking for and everything like that um and i guess i just wanted to uh express that um the fact that this you know is in this neighborhood um well part of it is the the fact that [29:02] **Commissioner Leifeld:** this building is already set up kind of to handle you know what you're looking for right um so it's a use that is kind of consistent with the structure the lot everything right and then also well yeah i think i'll leave it at that that's good all right commissioner thanks um just uh real quick [29:21] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** i was probably had some of the tougher questions for you during our last meeting okay we all have different backgrounds here so that's kind of where i draw on when i ask questions when something comes up for a special use permit it's not a referendum on the cause it's a referendum on the property and does it fit we would do the same process if somebody wanted to open a dental office the difference here is this is a 24 7 facility versus a dental office which is monday through friday to five right [29:49] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** so um and it's in the historical district and so there there's there's a lot there's some restrictions that we put on what people can and can't do with their homes on the exterior and so forth which i won't go into you're not making any changes to exteriors so we don't need to go down that path this is just does this use fit so obviously um you know when you when you buy a home or you own a home you would expect that your neighbors your new neighbors are going to use the home in a certain way that is consistent with what is expected in a residential area and when that is not going to happen that triggers a spell to use permit and that's why it has to be looked at and that's why i had a lot of hard-hitting questions for you last time because i need to know what the what the model was and what the [30:36] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** operational aspect was of it um you know and just for those that have any reservations you know if if this was a standard single-family residential transaction we wouldn't be here talking about it the realtor wouldn't be asking most of the questions that we do we the buyer the seller or the buyer wouldn't be required to answer any of those questions right they would move in and potentially 10 of their closest family members would move in as well because they could um we wouldn't tell them they couldn't come and go past 10 o'clock we wouldn't tell them they couldn't smoke outside if they didn't want to we couldn't we wouldn't tell them what kind of cars to own we wouldn't tell them that none of them could have overnight jobs where they're coming and going at different hours because i worked an overnight job for half of my career and i can guarantee [31:21] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** you i vacuumed the floor in my apartment complex at three o'clock in the morning um so you got to look at it from both angles right so we wouldn't ask nearly any of this in a standard residential transaction but we do ask it in this particular case because it is a non-standard use of a property a residential property so i kind of want to summarize where i was coming from i want to ask you a lot of those questions and so i really appreciate all the information that you provided i commented on the way in i'm like we got the information we asked for and we got that and then some and so i appreciate that and so lesson learned for anyone else out there who's watching you know when you're coming in front of us with a special use permit provide as much information as you possibly can it makes things go a lot easier and i think had we had all this information would alleviate a lot of those questions that popped up in the [32:07] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** first in the first public hearing and so far so i just want to thank you for your hard work on that yes two weeks was a lot was not a lot of time to get this done um i did look up the two residents that you operate in lakeville and burnsville i looked them up on google maps just to see the setup of the house one is it looks like a corner house one is a standard residential lot probably 150 100 square feet 200 square feet this one's really no different it's got a lot of shrubbery i went around looked at it um but yeah so again when somebody moves in next to you you don't hand them a contract and say promise me you won't do the following 60 things would that be nice but we don't okay um but in this particular case we had to ask some of those questions because it's [32:52] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** a formal process that we have to go through so i just wanted you to hopefully you understood where i was coming with that you know i just needed more information in order to make a informed decision so so thank you very much for doing that um before we take a vote i'd like to give you an opportunity to speak if you'd like because you did write a pretty good little letter i'm i mean you did show up and i like if it's okay with my fellow commissioners i just like to give him an opportunity to speak for a moment no [33:28] **Dr. Jeremiah Fairbanks:** so jeremiah fairbanks physician who works in the board with rise up recovery so thanks for listening to us first of all um i honestly i don't have a whole lot to add based off of the questions you've had i think there i think the concerns you've raised are reasonable and i think that the concerns the community have had [33:38] **Dr. Jeremiah Fairbanks:** have been reasonable concerns as well i but i also think we have appropriate um responses to those i think that working in addiction medicine as my specialty um i see you mentioned at one point people waiting for recovery overdosing right that's a huge deal and so this fills that gap the big reason that happens oftentimes my patients that overdose while waiting for recovery are living in the house they were living in before with the people that they were living with before they were doing everything was around them and the temptation essentially from a neurochemical standpoint is too high it's too great you just can't it's insanely tough to overcome so um i just want to emphasize how big of a need this actually fills the places [34:25] **Dr. Jeremiah Fairbanks:** that do this this is like this is innovative and the piece that recovery in general misses in uh in the broader spectrum of recovery overall uh like we mentioned many many times addiction is something nobody chooses to have it's not something that someone wakes up and says i'm going to lose my family because i want to go drink as much as i possibly can there's a there's a lot that goes into it beyond that and i think offering people help is the least we can do as a community um i will say that it's not like not having providence house here is going to eliminate the problem i think on the contra contrary i think that um so i think so the concerns about volatility people in the neighborhood et [35:11] **Dr. Jeremiah Fairbanks:** cetera i don't think providence is going to be the thing that causes that i think those people are there they're in your neighborhoods people with substance use disorders are in my neighborhood um i've lived in houses with people with substance use disorders in that community that this one's at and um and so i just i can't support this enough from a purely medical addiction uh recovery standpoint i think that uh this if this ever gets revocated i would be absolutely shocked to my to my bones so um i don't know do you have any questions for me i guess i don't have a lot to add i could go on and on about how much i appreciate this project and i think it's going to do a great thing but um i don't know [35:57] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** i think your letter stated everything just perfectly great so i just want to give you an opportunity to speak no thank you thank you for coming here absolutely thanks for having me all right commissioners um i think commissioner hallberg wanted to make a motion if there's no other further discussion we'll let him go ahead and make that motion bishop hopper [36:20] **Commissioner Halberg:** thank you mr chair i'd like to make the motion to approve the rise up recovery special use permit 2022-14 state license residential facility at 303 5th street east with the recommendations of staff [36:31] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** okay with the 16 recommendations as they are listed exactly okay so we have a motion uh on the floor to approve commissioner hallberg do we have a second [36:40] **Commissioner Tykan:** i'll second it mr tykan second [36:41] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** any new or further discussion if none we'll go ahead and take a vote all in favor say aye aye aye opposed [36:46] **Commissioner Maske:** opposed [36:48] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** okay so one opposition and however so just for the record here so we we have uh eyes would be six uh and one opposition and that would be from commissioner manske correct okay and i will add that recommendation to the city council city council will take this up next monday on march 7th thank you okay thank you tiffany and dr fairbanks thank you for coming tonight appreciate it thank you for your time [37:28] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** it's okay yeah and so thank you very much all right take care all right um next on the agenda excuse me is uh another continued item twice continued city of hastings ordinance amendment 2022-11 uh parking for apartments john did you have anything to add to this one [37:55] **John Hinzman:** no nothing more to add to this one we didn't have much time considering the late hour at the last meeting so this report is unchanged from what we looked at on the 14th essentially based on our conversation on the 24th looked at potential ways that we could reduce parking for apartments within the city and the suggestion that i have from staff standpoint is to lower the minimum parking standard for apartment buildings [38:14] **John Hinzman:** to 1.75 spaces per unit so that would mean an apartment unit would need to provide 1.75 parking spaces within the report there's some calculations based on other ways that it could be figured out two spaces 1.75 one and a half and something based upon bedrooms and then looking at the existing apartments that we've approved over the last few years and and how those calculations would end up being so i offer that there for your consideration and uh and discussion [38:53] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** and john if i'm um if i remember correctly you said the the number was to accommodate some of the apartments which may have those space restrictions is that right [39:00] **John Hinzman:** say that again the apartments that may have the garage space restrictions and the lot restrictions or may not where two may be too much yeah i'm looking at it from the standpoint of the parking parking regulations we have are are based upon a unit so a unit could be a 3 000 square foot house it could be a 300 square foot apartment both would require two spaces per unit i'm comfortable with with the single-family home requirement but when you get to apartments and you're dealing generally with less vehicles could the ordinance better reflect that okay all right thanks john commissioner there's any uh discussion michelle leifeld yeah so john in the [39:46] **Commissioner Leifeld:** report i noticed that we're actually um staff recommendation was actually a little bit higher than the urban land institute and institute of transportation engineers recommended minimums could you go on to that a little bit [40:02] **John Hinzman:** yeah i looked at the uli ite standards that commissioner leifeld mentioned have 1.5 and 1.2 spaces per unit respectively so i think at the last meeting i left about 1.5 when it took a look at some of the existing usage from past parking or past parking from recent apartment buildings i thought maybe 1.75 would be a better figure but there certainly is no no science with this art and uh [40:33] **John Hinzman:** certainly open for for other opinions and suggestions right thanks john commissioners any other discussion [40:43] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** yeah the only thing i'd bring up too is you know i i did have a discussion about you know we mentioned the last meeting electric vehicle charging and we had some discussion related to electric vehicle uh provisions within the the two apartment buildings that were for us at that time uh had some discussion on is this something that should be part of an ordinance requirement on that so i'm not offering anything here tonight but just wanted to bring that to you for your attention i did see the the council meeting that was one of the things they asked both applicants to at least take that into consideration [41:19] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** they said they both would but i think they had a good point too it has to be within reason it's not there yet we're not in high demand for that yet so you know do you want all those stations sitting idle and with maintenance issues and stuff but they did say they were putting the the necessary um structure in underneath to accommodate for expansion later on down the road so i did see that i believe in the council meeting if i'm correct so at least they're considering it sure and it is on everybody's radar but right now we're not quite there where we need 4 45 of those spaces yet but yep so all right commissioner tykan [42:04] **Commissioner Tykan:** thank you for sure uh i think the 1.75 is a good middle ground from moving down from two i think the market will dictate exactly what uh how much space they need i mean if there's not enough parking spaces people will move out and the owners will suffer same with electric charging right if if you don't have that accommodation you could potentially lose business and as more need more people buy electric cars they're obviously going to put in more ports otherwise though tenants will go somewhere else it's a competitive market so i'm in uh i'm in favor of this you know i i don't like to build too big a parking lots but at the same time they have to i don't want them to affect the neighborhood either and have people park on streets so it's fine it's a fine balance so i'm uh i'm fine uh supporting this and seeing where it goes you make a motion i'll make a motion [42:50] **Commissioner Tykan:** uh i'll make a motion of the planning commission and recommend uh amend the city code chapter 155.09 minimum parking requirements for apartments down to 1.75 spaces per unit for apartment buildings all right commissioner tyke in motion drive a second i'll second the motion [43:09] **Commissioner Maske:** make sure masky second [43:12] **Melanie Peters (Chair):** any new further discussion no further discussion all right all in favor say aye aye aye thank you commissioners this will be going to city council on the seventh for first reading and then uh public hearing second reading adoption on the 21st of march thanks all right thanks john when does the uh rise up recovery is that the same council meeting yeah that'll be the seventh right perfect yeah all right they'll go directly there all right perfect um next is other business [46:30] **John Hinzman:** other business well there wasn't uh too much at the last city council meeting we did have that special use permit in the industrial park for the automobile repair operation that was approved the other items that were reviewed by planning commission the 14th will all carry forward on the 7th along with rise up recovery so that may be a longer meeting as well but with the work you've done here maybe maybe not so much so we'll have that going forward looking at our next meeting schedule that would be for the 14th of march at this point i don't have any public hearings scheduled so i'll keep you in contact as far as whether we hold that meeting or not but uh that's all i have at this point thanks john commissioners any other business no [47:26] **Commissioner Tykan:** go ahead commissioner tykan uh john in commission uh just a note if we do have the 14th meeting i will be out of town okay so well done we'll be able to attend it okay perfect any other nope if not we'll go ahead and motion to adjourn you wish your romans second i'll make the most into a journey all right second i'll seconded all right commissioner tyke in a second all in favor say aye aye aye aye opposed we are done