missing oh yeah okay are we ready is everybody signed in and ready to go all right um so welcome everyone this it's 7 o'clock I'm going to call the meeting to order and this is the regular city council meeting from inat Trista of April 15th I hope you did your taxes 2024 and with that um would you please um just a reminder if you have phones put them on airplane mode silence and if you don't have phones please join and if you have phones please join me in Pledge of Allegiance Al to the flag United States of America and to the repic for it stands one nation God indivisible with liy and justice for all so again welcome everyone that's here this evening as well as watching on YouTube later on I'm Lisa whan and I'm the mayor and to my left our council members Kathleen rekin an McGregor and Claudia Lacy Peter vicory is absent this evening and then on the end we have our city engineer with WSB Allison fski we have our director of Public Works Gary Peters and then next to him we have um our director of administration you need a different title a director of administration Ali pulos and then to my right our city um administrator Jasper kral Finance director Brian grim and I believe David AEL is here in the back you can join us if you want okay all right he's in the back and uh a community development director and then Sarah s Salah is uh with Kennedy and Graven our City attorney and then on the end sitting in for our police chief is Officer Brown this evening thank you for joining us uh with that um approval of the agenda is in order is there any changes additions hearing none is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented so move thank you Miss Lacy is there a second second I believe M an I Believe Miss uh council member McGregor was the second all those in favor signify with i i i all those opposed motion passes 40 so now we'll move on to our special presentations we have um county commissioner Kevin Anderson with us this evening again welcome commissioner Anderson we're happy that you're here and glad that you could join us thank you so much for having me it's great to be back uh I always love making the the rounds and and getting to visit every one of my city councils uh as mentioned I'm Kevin Anderson for anybody who uh is not I haven't met yet uh either here or watching later um I represent District s of pipin County which is the western suburbs uh I serve as the Public Works chair I'm also the vice chair of our health and human services committee our law safety Justice committee as well as our housing Redevelopment Authority uh I also serve on a number of other uh committees and and have other assignments as part of my job um it I wanted to this year part of my update I wanted to give an uh an overview of the county budget and kind of dial in as to where Minista fits into into the bigger picture uh as you can see here's our our graph of the henen county budget and by far the biggest slice of the pie is our health and human services um and I think that's important because this is really what the counties are all about it is helping people when they're their most vulnerable um and minist residents are a part of that and we want to make sure that we're meeting people where they are at whenever they have those needs so as it uh pertains to Minista uh there's 50000 residents in Minista who receive supports from from henan County um and that's any any kind of support whether it's housing assistance food assistance financial support uh our job is to make sure that they are getting themselves back on their feet uh and secured uh as they're moving forward we also part of this this is also part of our embedded social worker program which our law is a partnership with our law law enforcement um we also really want to make sure that we're investing in our Public Safety this last year we increased our budget to the Shariff Department to make sure that they were able to retain and recruit uh more detention deputies so that their uh their office is running as efficiently as possible um we also have our as I mentioned our embedded social work her uh program as a as a great partnership uh there's been 108 referrals uh through that program from Minista um showing I think that that need exists everywhere um which is I think one of the examples of great uh collaboration that happens between our uh county level and the city level um as Public Works chair uh it's been kind of a fun fun ride for me uh we have been able to do a lot in the last few years and specifically this last year uh we had a lot of new funding coming through uh that is allowing us to do more projects across the district or across the county but in Minista specifically we have a number of uh road projects coming through maintenance projects uh we also have a a Bridge Project coming up here um I want to make sure that I get all of them we have uh flood ceiling on 44 County Road 15 we have chip ceiling we have on 110 another chip ceiling uh we have a cold in place recycling project on cter 26 um that's part of a rehabilitation project uh on 26 from West County Line Road to uh County Road 92 um to and from County Road 92 to medic VI Lane uh this project is going to be a bigger project is going to include uh pavement preservation uh with Ada improvements uh drainage uh and multimodal improvements uh wherever feasible you know we want to make sure that we're using the RightWay responsibly in that in that area and then I mentioned briefly there's the painter Creek Bridge replacement that's happening um we also passed uh this last year our complete Street policy I'm kind of really excited about this particular policy because it's going to allow us to do and identify and do more work in the in between times like when we're doing those maintenance projects that may come up every 10 years or 15 years on a roadway will'll revisit the the corridor the the space that we be doing that project and evaluate to see whether or not there is a safety Improvement or streets uh element that can be put in place there uh and what I mean by that is like a sidewalk or a bike lane or something that would have a green element uh storm water collection um so we can do some of these smaller improvements while we're doing regular maintenance on on the roadway uh and I think that's going to uh serve our growing uh areas in the western suburbs very well um we also uh have programs in the county to help support families and youth uh the Youth Sports grant funding is one of the uh a great program that I think we have um we're looking at making sure that that continues uh through the legislature this year um Minista youth have benefited from about $244,000 uh including $100,000 facility Grant that Min Trista received and then the West Tona school district has also received uh money as well um we also do other support for youth uh through our educational Support Services making sure that we have uh tools at the libraries uh we're also rebuilding the West haa Library uh that work is slated to start uh this fall I think so and with that I'll open up for any questions you may have Kevin um could you tell us County Road 26 cold in place recycling what does that mean I've never heard that before so it is a um I'm not a traffic engineer or and I'm not going to pretend to be so um I'll I'll let somebody else correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of it is you we can take the the material grind it up and reutilize it without the same uh heat that uh that would normally be needed in order to uh reuse that material so is it kind of like a Reclamation project except it's cold he rather than heat I'm just curious looking pH okay I heat mix with I mean and I think there's the pap yeah I think it's just a a newer process that takes less energy uh and we can do it okay more environmentally R so all right well we'll we'll look forward to getting a more um I can send you information our public words we've been very excited about this okay all right great and um I don't know if we have an do we have a Grant application in for um some of our Parks do you know we've talked about it so looking at uh potentially this is the year we've heard this is the year to apply I think there's been a million dollars allocated for Park grants I you know we have a lot of grant funding parks are uh I didn't even touch on our forestry uh work we have a lot of things happening right now that is like in partnership with cities so um we have like an application that helps keep track of trees Parks I think is a is a great uh grant program that we're doing um yeah we have a lot of stuff in in that I was just going to say if if we did get that application in for Parks um if we could if you could help us out with that keep me informed and and I'll definitely keep an eye out for other than that anything else all right so thank you and um I see and we didn't see you at Northwest League I I had to uh do my parent Duty my daughter had a dance competition can't miss that absolutely I totally understand well looking forward to seeing you again next month though I look forward to it as well and I look forward to uh to being at the state of the city of rest oh that's great looking forward to the only other thing I was going to mention um we've been kind of monitoring I don't know if Hanahan County was involved or weighed in on it but the middle missing housing bill um I'm assuming you guys were somewhat concerned about that as well um I was concerned although we don't do land use decisions okay um and so nobody asked us to weigh in on it and so we didn't would have been good but yeah no I understand I just thought with the housing um afford with some of the housing initiatives that you do that it might have been of concern but absolutely of concern um but all of our housing projects are uh after City approval right uh and so uh we we certainly rely on our city Partners to make sure that uh those that happens in an orderly way and I value our our partnership in that so thank you all right thank you very much again for coming we know it's time out of your busy schedule so it's an honor to be able to be out here and and see everybody thank you all right so our next presentation is Brian Grim yes you're up mine's yeah quarterly versus annually so you see this one a lot more right you're not um so yeah this is uh just the first quarter uh 2024 update and um as said the memo uh discusses they're pretty much first quarter on the revenue side's usually a little slower we don't we don't get the taxes into June July but um building permits seem to be tracking pretty well as far as where they are after the first three months of the year that you know that activity will pick up usually and spring summer so um as you can see in the uh uh notated there you know we basically we've collected about 6% of our budget which is pretty consistent with previous years um on the expenditure side we're about at 27% and you know that's some of the things we've paid in full like property insurance workers comp insurance and quarter ofly uh fire contracts we paid through mid years so um I think that's pretty pretty well and and tracking fine in comparison to this year as well as previous years um and then the only other probably note to make is that the uh you'll see the uh final 2023 audit um presented at the May 20th uh council meeting so that's on track to to come then and should be good information and you get to see our Auditors from Clifton Larson Allen again and and do their uh succinct I'll tell them succinct uh audit presentation thank you so I I know it's not the most exciting thing especially for well maybe for people that are accountants but you know for us it's not you slid your L yeah okay okay looking forward to that though always yeah otherwise any other questions on the no I had asked Jasper earlier um about uh snow plowing since we didn't have a lot this past um how do you say fall or winter but then of course we had more in the beginning of the year so it probably balanced out quite a bit or pretty much so yeah yeah so 23 yeah 24 course we're starting out on a on a good good note there but yeah 2023 still was pretty hard when the first three months last year compared the first three months of this year were night and day I guess or weatherwise okay any other questions all right thanks good job all right so next we'll move on to our consent agenda items are there any it's kind of a long list so are there any you wish to remove all right so it's consent agenda item um a approve our work session meeting minutes from March 18th 2024 approve our city council regular meeting minutes from March 18th 2024 C is a resolution to approve claims D is a resolution providing for the prepayment and Redemption of the city's General obligation refund bonds Series 2014a E is a resolution to approve our 2024 Arbitrage Arbitrage service Consulting agreement and F is a resolution to approve the extension for the preliminary plat of Highlands at wh Tail Lake I would hope this would be the last time um and G is a resolution to approve the Professional Services agreement for pavement cing H is a resolution for well number six rehab project I is a resolution for Public Safety fund budget amendment uh J is a resolution to approve the extension to the variance approval at 6705 Hallstead Avenue K is a resolu solution to approve a joint Powers agreement with hban County for embedded social worker Services I hope you all agree cuz I already signed the document I'd have to have to go back um uh k l is Public Works truck replacement m is approved strategic planning session summary um N is approv a conditional offer of employment for Andrew fashing for Public Works maintenance and I believe there's one more um hold on okay I don't have the other one here it is sorry approve a reversion uh revisions to the Personnel policy which we discussed at our work session anything else I think that's it is there a motion to approve consent agenda items a through O So moved thank you Miss rkin is our second second thank you Miss Lacy all those in favor signify with i i i all those opposed motion passes uh we don't have any public hearings this evening so we'll move on to our business item um I believe Adam is here um Aaron sorry Aaron is here for our water supply Plan update um I'll give you the floor right away then welcome like I told you we might be grilling you so don't be surprised so mayor way members of council I'm excited to be back and present an update to the water system planning effort and answer any questions you might have with that so um just an update from uh previous uh times I've been here uh current activities um we will be updating on Tas order 5 today the water system planning out uh been undertaking uh and as well as the we're working on test 6 which is the final design for wealth 89 which would be believe your taking action on tonight so we're doing a lot of other things with the city as far as just general uh review Consulting with with uh G and his team but generally those are a big effort in front of us right now um so we've completed the water system planning effort and I believe you guys have uh received kind of a final executive summary of that effort so um really that's intended to summarize all of these things into a nice concise document that you guys can review and say what to speed on um so we'll really just get into that today there's other memos that support all that analysis that was done uh but the executive summary just summarizes that for you um so as we've been looking at your water system um and the challenges that you have um ultimately you know there's really five main items substantial growth because our growing Community that's a challenge is to keep up with those demands um you have some redundancy and resiliency challenges as far as single pipes that serve neighborhoods that we want to look to uh resolve um you know some water supply challenges just trying to keep up with that growth uh hence the well work that we've been doing um also the water quality challenges just with high iron and manganes in your ra water and then lastly like every water system just the regulatory requirements um to manage a drinking water system so the intent of this uh this effort in this this master planning is to really try to put a plan in place to um from a long-term standpoint to solve the challenges and have a good managing um managing that so I think the the first question we always ask ask when we go into this effort is uh who are your customers we like to summarize that because that to some degree helps us understand um the behaviors of your water system and who are serving um and Minista about 96% of your users are residential so the vast majority of your water is used by um the residents of the community you have a a small percent that's commercial and school use but that's really doesn't dictate the behavior of of your water system it's primarily Residential Water use um as know you have essentially two zones you have a North Zone and a South Zone that that uh operate independently um as we look at kind of how you use water in those areas um the the north Zone um your your users use about 130 gallons a day on average um so we have a nice little graphic we throw up there help kind of picture that in the South Zone it's about 123 gallons per capita per day um so uh from a general standpoint if you look at communities that's not too bad we see a lot of communities in that 110 to 130 range uh in the in the Twin Cities metal area so I would say you're fairly normal in that sense um we also looked at your historical water usage and I know last time I came to present there's some questions on peaking factors and things like that and and our team went back and looked at that a little bit um deeper uh met with with Gary and and and reviewed some of the water data a little bit closer also updated data for 22 and 23 and this is really the result of that analysis so you can see as we split out the South Zone and the north Zone uh the South Zone obviously being your larger Zone uh you've you've uh really increased your Peak day demand substantially in the last even couple years um and the uh the south north Zone does jump around a little bit it'll be high for year then lower so that one's a little bit more sporadic but generally on average what we've seen as we've looked at some revised data uh looked at the numbers a little bit closer more on a Zone by Zone basis um your peaking factors around 3.6 to 3.8 uh respectively for those different zones so uh it is higher than average uh typically the DNR likes to see more like a 2.6 um so you're definitely on the high end of that peaking factor which is obviously seasonal um you know from a la watering standpoint um so once we've kind of characterized your water use we look at your growth areas so this is what we've identified as you know future growth for the city and that's long term this isn't going to happen tomorrow um but we we need to be mind this because as we plan out a water system you don't want to be replacing infrastructure that's only a few years old so we want to plan longterm put in the right size of pipelines make sure we've planned out how to serve those areas not only a SLE pipe but also have looping for redundancy in the case of a pipe break or fires and things like that so uh in order to hit uh you consle projections really you're going to need to double your water system uh in the climbing Horizon so that's a substantial growth uh that we see for the community um as we look at the current water use the projected growth areas we apply uh kind of densities to those areas to try to then pinpoint how much water you're going to use in those growth areas so we apply these uh units per acre for the different uh density areas and that rolls up overall population uh and uh demand kind of allocation throughout the the community um the other thing we did as far as this study is we looked at kind of growth Windows you know short term being really in the next 5 to six years to get us to 2030 we call near-term growth being 2030 to 240 because that's really not that far away if you think about it in the lifespan of a water system um and then long-term growth would be anything beyond 2040 so the numbers get really fuzzy when you get out that part but we think it's still appropriate to plan to that extent um just because these are Big Numbers a lot of infrastructure put in we you know it's uh appropriate to be mindful of those long-term growth needs so if we just look at the first two planning Horizons the shortterm growth and the near-term growth applying the gallons per capita per day with the peaking factors and the the growth geography of the areas that you're growing to your different zones this is really what we see for uh projected demand into the future so um you know you can see that you guys have significantly increased your demand over the last few years uh and even we have a note there for 2023 there was a single day in 23 that was extremely high we thought that was somewhat of an anomaly that a lot of the days on either side of that were lower and we just felt like maybe there was you know uh the way the meters were read or waterm break or something happened that it's not true demand U but we need to be mindful of it right they just does peak to that point um but when we were looking at you know trending this out into the future we felt like that was probably something we could reasonably remove just to to make sure our projections were reasonable um so you can see there for the shortterm kind of growth projections we're seeing your your self system grow from right around 2 million gallons per day out of peak day up to about uh 2 and2 million G per day um so another half million Gall per day just in the next six years um on that we go from 2 and a half all the way up to about three and Beyond so that's another can I ask a question because this is relevant to this yeah so when you say peaking Factor so from now on what we're doing is we are we are requiring every new development to and even in Woodland Cove I think we've been doing that that they have to have use their um nert ponds their uh storm water ponds for irrigation so obviously they're going to dig their dig their own Wells for that but have you factored that in because then the PE peaking Factor isn't going to change a whole lot if you will yeah so so um we're applying those peaking factors that I previously stated through this apping Horizon so those are high our hope is that those come down closer to that 2.6 but we really don't know how quickly the community will react to that and our experience with those those ponds that you're referencing is um depending on how they're designed how much capacity they have they can run out and then well yeah but I know that but if if the homes aren't connect if their irrigation systems aren't connected to the city water only to those ponds that would make a significant difference wouldn't it if they're not connected to your city water yes right well they would yeah I mean so do we need to be conscientious of that then when we approve plans or I mean so other communities that we work with when they approve large developments they often go through water review exercise to make sure that the developments that they're approving we do have the Laten capacity to serve them with kind of these peing factors in mind um so but but if you're connecting homes with irrigation systems that are solely on storm water ponds um our hope would be that over time your average day is going to come up and your max day you're not going to Peak that's what I'm getting it right um so you're kind of pushing two directions you're taking them off of irrigation for summer use and you're feeding you're giving them water in the winter which you're your average day up so that's absolutely our goal um we try to take a little bit more of a conservative approach for this standpoint just because we don't want to put you guys in a bad spot where we can't serve them um so again it's we're trying to find a middle ground but it's it's conservative from that standpoint um and then you know the in the green there you can see the Nord system a little less drastic as far as growth goes you can see the previous years you did jump up above that number a little bit but again um those we thought were kind of anomalies you know a high day here and there but we wanted to at least recognize them so they're in the chart um but from a projection standpoint we've tried to kind of smooth those out a little bit um but we think this is a a a reasonable projection for for near-term growth for the community so after we've set all these projections then we go into looking at okay this is where we're we're going with our water demand we need to look at our water supply treatment uh needs storage distributions how would we build a system to handle these types of Demands so um and I apologize I realized in our graphic summary I didn't label the lines that were in there so we'll make that edit but um you can see here if we take those same projections for the North and South system the green being your max day blue being your average and then look at your your water supply high for both of those zones uh the north Zone uh you know you're already a little bit above your firm capacity and and for those of you who are may you aren't uh familiar with the engineering lingo but firm capacity basically means if I take my largest well Offline that that's what I can serve with the remaining Wells so it's kind of a contingency planning exercise where if our largest well broke in the middle of the summer we could we could Supply the community with the firm capacity everything but that large as well so that's what that orange line is the black line being everything online and operating so the north Zone we're starting to take over that firm um but we're actively working with Gary to kind of look at you know the north system understand if there's anything we can do to to give us a little bit of extra capacity there just to to get by but are you calculating 500 gallons a minute or 750 gallons a minute because I think it has a capacity you had in your your thing 500 gallons a minute and I think it has a capacity of 750 so we haven't really tested the plant to see what it can truly put out okay um um but we do have two Wells connected each producing 500 gallons a minute so the way the firm capacity you look at is if you lose a well then it's 500 you got 500 gallons per minute left so that's kind of the way we're looking at it um but we like I said we're working with Gary to understand could you do a bypass of a well you really can't run both Wells through that through that plant at full capacity so we're we're looking to see if we can't uh adjust some things stretch the capacity that a little bit um and then on the south Zone you can see there the green line being our Max day we're we're definitely starting to take over the firm capacity getting closer to that total capacity especially with the the 2023 data that we saw there was that single dat that peaked up and while you do think it's an anomaly it's still concerning that there was a day that we recorded dat to that high so um you can see that by you know 28 probably 27 28 we starting to hit that total capacity um so that's why we're recommending you moving forward but when you look at the average daily demand and you look at the um maximum maximum day day I mean that's irrigation and so basically this is this is what we're going to talk about basically we have to spend millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars for irrigating people's Lawns I mean that's what it boils down to Y and that's the that's the ultimate cost from a utility standpoint is really those Max days what can I actually ask Gary do we know what the date what what happened last year like trying to on the for the yeah the peak yeah we had to look and see what day it was July 1st I know that I wasn't here it wasn't my yard again we don't always know exactly why there's a lot of things that are happening you know we're just looking at reported data um but it could be as simple as a water main break plus you know a lot of people preparing for for or something right watering their laws we don't know but um again we look at a lot of data um we just try to keep keep that after but yeah you're absolutely right the peak day is is absolutely what drives the cost of a water system and um the more we can manage watering strategically will definitely stay Mo the city this is not for you specifically can we stop letting every new home that gets built put in on irrigation system um I don't know I mean it would it would have to be in an ordinance of some sort I would think and and work through you know through the Pud development agreement process um ideally we everybody could be on the storm water Pond system um but I just want to make clear we there's a there's a there's a the ability to fill those ponds when they get low too and we do that because we can if we can if we think we can provide that water we want to sell it yeah so that there's always usually a backup for these situ sitations even if they're on 100% storm water Pond but um it'd be something that we'd have to look at when we do these larger developments to see if we you know want to have irrigation or not but if people are using that much water just to irrigate um and they're using this treated water to irrigate then and people start realizing you know we're talking we're talking over $2 million here just so people can irrigate or water their lawns to me that's unacceptable and I think if our residents were to realize this I think they too would be shocked because when you look at the difference between average daily demand and the max daily that's huge I mean that's huge and so we have to do something and if it means every single home that's new home that's built that they have to be put on storm water irrigation so be it either that or we have to figure out how to deliver treated water and untreated water and I don't know if we can do that but to me that says if we could deliver untreated water to all those homes that have treated water that use irrigation maybe that's the cheaper route to go I mean I don't know I mean if I may what one thing we could look at if if this is some area we want to look at in more detail is you know using that average day demand and the max day demand and then catering our fee or our tiered rat schedule to you know maybe um honor some of those things which we kind of do I don't know if we looked at it in this sense when we developed it we're kind of there but I'm guessing that you're tiers are going to start ramping up quicker than at 65,000 you know gallons per quarter so it's something we could look at to maybe you know look at incentivizing you know water conservation fully aware that when we did this the last time it was there was a lot of people that we receive calls from um when they got St wants to do that again when they got their bill so I would I would push education before we do that but that's that's something that you know over time we could look at if that's a concern you know if you want to irrigate you should pay for the water and that's typically our first step when we when we work through these types of things with communities is looking at your rate structure because you said it's the main cost is for that incremental extra and and you know you can make an argument that those people that use it should you know fund it um I have a question uh we have one golf course in manista so Burl Oaks obviously they're not on City water oh they're not good to know but yeah they use a lot of water bet they use a lot of water but they're not in city water that's good to know so that's uh for water supply and we'll get more details again from a contingency standpoint we always do have watering restrictions as an option I don't like suggesting it if we can avoid it but it is an option um we already do yeah and and there are other communities that use that there are other communities that have gone to two day a week watering and strategically assigning days to different parts of the city try to balance that but that would be something that we could also look at to try to kind of curve that um the top ends if rates aren't an option yeah I think we have every other day to start and then once and then we can also go to the second and that's twice twice a week and then we can go to an allout band so we have kind of this teered thing so yeah so I guess from Supply into treatment knowing that your water quality isn't great the test Wells from Wells 89 came back with levels above the secondary limit so we expect that he'll have iron Mages in those Wells um so what we're recommending uh in the sou Zone would be a r around 3 MGD water treatment um and then the north Zone at some point uh in our schedule here you'll see in a few slides about 600 G plant in the north so just to feed those those areas uh to meet the demand needs uh in the future so um you know quite a jump at least in the sou Zone from a size standpoint to go from the currently a th000 into that kind 2100 Gall per minute uh need um from a storage standpoint again storage we're we're looking at not only keep pressure in your system but also use from a operational standpoint but also fire flow um if you if you have a large fire in the community we need to have lat and storage available to to fight those fires so u based on some of the calculations our team did you can see the line there being our kind of estimated fire or storage need um so for the South Zone with the water plant that we're proposing uh we're recommending a 300,000 gon clear well that would go with that water plant that would kind get us by for a little while um and then eventually building a larger Tower um in the South zone so here's my question um because we're trying to cut costs here I'm sorry but this is just getting outrageously expensive and um so so here's the question so let's say there's a fire and um so this is for fire protection but if in the case of fire couldn't you stop the water from going through the treatment plant and take it directly out of the well in other words you bypass a treatment plant so you can get more water quicker into the towers for the for the fire protection it couldn't you do that on a at least on an interim basis because this is also adding tens of thousands of dollars um I know that would ultimately hurt for a short while um those other users on the Water System but if if it's like tens of millions of dollars Less in the interim couldn't that be a interim solution well six and seven directly go right directly to the saltwater treatment plant and the the new they're not in they're not linked into this they're raw water coming out and going right to the plant but so you you can't just take raw water and place it right into the water system okay it has to be at least point source treated or treat I mean or go through the plant but you cannot just take NE neither one of those are equipped to run right to the system I mean it is directly piped to the to the saltwater treatment plant so then the question would be what about um the new ones 89 could you design those to go directly into the system in case of an emergency versus having to spend the money for this I I'm just asking questions um trying to think we can engineer anything okay but I think it's also the logistics are operating right one way and then making that switch instantaneously to battle of fire uh typically um if we depend on Wells to manage fire risk you're going to need quite a few extra Wells to supply that additional uh demand um so we don't typically recommend that as a as a strategy to to you want the lat storage in your system to be able to instantaneously handle that that fire demand but how fast can so let's just say you're pumping out a 1,000 gallons a minute but your fire is needing you know 3,000 gallons a minute eventually you're going to run out of capacity whether you have it stored or not yeah so so there's General guidelines for how you calculate fter flow um so it's usually a certain flow rate or a period of time so we just look at our storage elevated storage and say okay do I have that volume of storage in the air at any point during my demand swing and that's how you basically still have enough fire flow available at Peak day demand that we could take you know 4T 5T out of our Tower and still be okay um you can put in like what I call like a fire pump in a clear well or Serv uh you know in in a water plant that would be a much larger pump that would pump you know into the system but you're still relying on The Late storage um in the for the pressure for the pressure in the water plant but you could you can build additional Wells to have that extra capacity but then you're you trading a tower for additional Wells and well maintenance so um but there there's we havei do that they may a little short on storage but they build extra Wells because that's to op how much is a storage versus an EXT an extra well is what a million um we also have to find the wells just a side not we have to find the wells and this was not so this would be a standalone well a wellhouse is probably north of two maybe $3 million um versus a tower you know 1 million Gall to I think we had six over 6 million 6 and half million um so and and you also have to get the DNR to approve the well if it's just to backup well they might could we could those are all things we can balance um these are all projections so we want to get them on on a timeline so we know the cost and the need and but we know that this timeline isn't perfect it's going to change we always recommend you know updating every 3 to four years as your community changes and behaviors change um but we want to at least make sure it's on a timeline with a cost and we can continue to do the demand doesn't present itself we hope we can in reality um the other thing with the sou Zone before I move on um it looks like we're heading a lot of storage for no reason and and I and I recognize that but I think we also have to recognize that existing Towers need to be maintained uh which you know Kings Point needs to be recoded new tower you know eventually need to be Reed at some point you have to be able to take those Towers offline and still have to replace it so did notice that your picture of the Kings Point water tower was was an old picture it didn't have any other rest so that's why we we recommended a million because really the incremental cost to go from a half million to a million while it's money it wasn't that much more and it gives you that flexibility to take Towers offline and do a good job recoding them so you're just maintaining your existing infrastructure much better right um so I realized that looks like a lot but that was kind of our our rationale there um and then again for the we're recommending another Tower there again for fire flow if as that that zone grows we feel like you probably need more storage especially with only have one Tower there you're kind of stock there if you have to rep that so in other words um when we do our comp plan Amendment coming up in 28 whatever um we might want to take a look and see where our growth is and because like so let's say the self treatment plant is built up and running and it can handle whatever uh growth projections however if if then we have to look at yet adding because of the division another water tower another treatment plant more wells in the north system maybe we just want to do the growth in the South system so that we get a reprieve from these costs um because it it's really hard for a community of our size to do back to back I mean we're talking within 2 3 years four years having to add yet another 1920 million we can't do that I mean we have to and so numbers yeah so I think when we're when we're planning future growth that's something we absolutely need to be looking at and and our Council and our residents need to be cognizant of that um anyhow well and and that's part as as we get into um you know kind of the CIP details with the water plant size that we're recommending exactly to you I think your previous question about well couldn't we build more Wells to instead of storage and that's why we've recommended you know the plant at the size it's more than what you need on day one but it's also horsepower to be able to pump water into your system right to make up for some of that instantaneous demand in the summer that you get due to irrigation so allows us to give us a little bit more buffer room from that that storage tank uh and and hopefully be able to push that out further but again we we just don't know um know that yet I have a question sorry it's a few slides back okay um you mentioned manganese levels not being acceptable did the manganese change levels change or did the requirements as to what is acceptable change um so the the data we have for your wells 89 future Wells that we're drilling are just it's just test well data so that would be over the uh secondary limit um the the state has a 100 part per billion uh Health based value for infants that um they recommend that Community to stay under don't remember exactly where your test Wells were at but we're close to that limit so wasn't that just recently changed um it hasn't really changed but the state um over the last probably five years has been pushing M's treatment much harder because of that Health based value that that their research has shown impacts on but it's always been at that level it's the requir it's the state that's saying now it's too high uh the well the new wells I mean are new but so we don't really I don't know where those or have been but um the state has definitely put been um targeting mangage treatment much more significant yeah for the last 5 years you have to report it to your community if you are not treating for it like city of mountain doesn't treat for it so they have to send off flyers to their citizens to let them with the warning know and that's only been the last few years that that that the states made people do that so but the standard has been there the standard changed a little bit but not but not a lot but what they're really forced they're really looking at is what are the effects of that and and to make sure that the citizens are aware of it because it is it is a pretty big factor that you know for it's for The Young and the old is what it is so the EPA has always had a secondary limit for manganes the Minnesota Department of Health which is the the reporting agency that manages EPA standards they set it even lower or sorry they set a health based value that they're considering a regulatory value for the state um and that is that's more recent um in in the last clickers or last five years um they've also qualified being as a contaminant of emerging concern for State standpoint for funding um so they're they're trying to encourage communities to treat for many thank you um so beyond uh treatment and water supply we also looked at distribution um again I made the comment previously that we always encourage looping in a water system to try to avoid um isolating Community isolating neighborhoods that from a fire poow standpoint and things so we've identified I'm not going get into details today but we identified routes that we think would benefit from looped water m in the system a lot of those costs because you know they're more conceptual in nature we didn't total in this document but we want to make sure that as you guys are growing and look projects that if you have an opportunity to put a pipeline in we want to make sure those areas are are noted so so you can take advantage of that so uh for the for the north system you can see there we have an existing water plant storage tank we prose another uh small water plant and storage tank kind of on the Northern par in the north system with some moving included so in the north system but um that's if they if there's more development in the future um yeah if your water M needed to increase we would recommend that water plant um and some of that looping there are some additional looping on the east side there that really isn't um demand related it's mostly just to provide redundancy to that that part of the community um but most of this is driven by and then the self system there you can see Ting P Point plant in the purple on the bottom right there the proposed water plant uh and then a future tank on the North End um and then you can see all the doed lines there some of them um you know some of like the between a hallad bay uh and uh bo bay you know there's that F that's a recommendation you may or may not do that but again if you're doing a project in there it might benefit from that um so our team's going allo some areas of recommendation I think the big being kind of the dotted Blue Line there um where that would be mostly your your mbing within the community for future growth uh that would serve that part of the community when that develops so again these aren't projects tomorrow these are things that we we think you guys should start taking in mind um as you start to develop your community that that would be of benefit um so again I won't get into details but uh we did alll those and the other parts of Stu so as take all of these efforts and we put them on uh a timeline and kind of overlay our demands our water supply our treatment needs storage this is really what we uh we come up with and I apologize that should not be North Zone it should be South Zone I mislabeled it but um you can see here we have the existing thousand y per minute Kings Point plant um that basically covers covers your average day demand um but we're recommending uh that you move forward with the uh wood The Cove water plant at a 2100 Gall per minute capacity you have 27 in this so we originally were thinking 2700 uh essentially because you'd add a third well to that water plant site so right now the 2100 would be a 600 Gall per minute well plus a, 1500 Gall per minute well when we did the test drilling they SED another they propose another well on that site in a different aquer so and that was an additional 500 mes a minute so um when we did our cost estimating and layouts we laid out a 2700 Gall per minute well water plant just to make sure we had the room to supply or to treat all three Wells um but really on day one we recommend a 2100 Al plant probably with some expandability to get to that 2700 so that's what I was going to ask you because um because of the cost um and because uh what we're doing is kind of banking on future growth which we which may or may not happen who knows I mean it's a future if we could all know the future for sure we don't be millionaires right billionaires um so here's my question um what do we need today or within the next 3 to four years whatever so and if you build the the facility to facilitate a 2700 gallon per minute treatment facility but you only do let's say a th000 gallons in this one is how long would that be sufficient for and what what's the cost savings on that and then when would you add the other let's say even 3,000 let's say it total of 3,000 eventually so I don't have exact numbers okay um but uh we looked at and I had the same questions for my team when we were looking at the layout of the facility of could we build half today and then add future pieces later and the um the challenge was that you still need all of this the processes to do treatment um but if I use like your your um High service pumps for example in a gravity plant to pump out into the distribution system whether the high surfice pump is 1 1,000 gallons minute or 2,000 gallons a minute it's probably A1 to $150,000 pump regardless MH so we look so there's really not a benefit to not a lot of benefit to only putting in 1,000 when just then making that incremental gets you double the capacity but it's not just the pump it's also the isn't it also the the tanks and all of that right but you still need the clear you still need the space for all those pumps that doesn't really change regardless of the capacity as far as like a pump room you still need the room for those pumps regardless of the capacity um same with like so a filter for instance um when you have a general contractor on site to build a 10 by 10 f filter versus a 10x 15 filter there's more cost but um they're already on site building at the incremental cost to go a little bit bigger really isn't substantial we will definitely look at it when we get into preliminary design and make sure we're thinking about the cost Effectiveness and expandability because we don't want to overbuild so much to the point where late capacity you'll never use right um but we want to be mindful that um if this is something you're going to need in the next to 15 years it makes a lot more sense to build it now than to come back in you know five or six years and redo it again um because your infrastructure at that point isn't really even aging right and I'm not thinking five or six years I'm thinking more like 10 to 15 years especially since you don't never know what the housing market is going to do and if if we don't add the 100 homes a year um in the Sy to the system then who's paying for it it's the existing homes and and that's a huge price y so do they offer 40-year ter Bond terms good example yeah I've lived through in the city it was 10 years before finally new residents came in and the existing residents paid for it for 10 15 years I know it's tough to see you know it is well and and I mean I do this every day I see the cost differences between what things cost even five years ago right and there's also the cost of fix making it bigger after it's already there is obviously more expensive than doing it larger to begin with I mean there usually the building is larger and then you just add your your tanks or not just it depends depends how we build the plant with have the filters but um there's I mean there's there's a play every year right so every year we don't do a project it gets more expensive the next year so that's why I say I I always recomend if you're going to need the capacity in the next 10 to 15 years you should just build it now um because it's going to be more cost effective than trying to bring someone back to start a project all over again and the disruption to your system I mean having a water plan on your construction is stressful uh for staff um but if it's beyond 15 you know into that 20 30 years I think you could probably consider a phased approach um but it's again it's just you got to look at the cost Delta so but it's defin something we'll look at as as we get into that's a good segue we we were planning on having a work session discussion about Wastewater or water treatment plant financing on the 20th um one of the things there's a whole bunch of different metrics we're trying to pin down and there's not a crystal ball and nobody will give you a straight answer as far as what they think will happen but really if your um bond rate or the rate that you get is less than the inflation rate you should probably build it now versus later and that's a I mean we're going to look at all these different things and we're going to have to make make the decision as far as timing and scale and all that and if there's metrics that you think that we need to evaluate like let us know it's going to be an open conversation to to try to really dial this in because um you know spoiler alert you know we can either build this plant in 2025 or 2026 and there's different financing mechanisms and we'll just have to you know do our best to to make the best decision for the community and I also you know given where the co is located that you know it's in a neighborhood essentially adjacent to a neighborhood disturbance to the community is also something we want to consider right that disturbance have you been out there lately I don't think the plant will be the least of being a good neor the disturb there so so this is the the self system um so that's treatment that I know that gets a lot of focus but we're also looking at you know Wells 89 that's their kind of your first jump up um and and I should be um should note here that this does not show capacity of well four and five which are really bad Wells so we really trying not to use them so we just didn't even want to show them on here because they're just G avoid those Wells at all cost so um so our first jump up is is the new wells uh with the treatment plant then you go quite a few years uh you potentially decommission well three and then put another new well at that 600 Gall per minute on the water treatment plant site and treat that one as well um and then you look at additional Wells into the future as you get in 2040 Beyond um and we have Towers in there as well so we're trying to kind of lay this out again these are projections we always recommend you know reevaluate every a few years to see if you're on track or out further or closer um but this is kind of how we it out so far and then this is the north Zone much simpler uh but also recommending you know a small facility to treat additional water in 2030 again we're continuing to look at that with Gary to see if there's things we can do in North Zone just to better utilize the wells that are there um but we we will at least want to get this on the calendar so we can start thinking about how to fund it uh and if we can move it out we'll absolutely do that and the uh the unfortunate final slide of costs they these things are very expensive M this is the worst part of my job is telling people what this infrastructure costs and it's gotten the worse in The Last 5 Years so um we have contingencies built into these numbers so my Approach and what I told uh Gary and Jasper is we try to put the big numbers on the planning document and hope that we come in under that from a bid day I hate bit openings to be the surprise big number so I'd rather we have the conversation now and so question when you put these numbers out there don't you think the biders are going to see this and know this and then bid this I mean you know what I'm saying I about roads for three years I mean because obviously this has to be public and whatever but do don't they do they look at this and say oh they're thinking it's going to be 196 so that's what we're going to I like to think they're too busy to through all the water plant and water contractors in the region and and they do an honest ES that uh when they bid a project they know that the vast majority of their projects are low bid so in order for them to win they have to be the cheapest contractor on bit day uh they this far out they don't look at these numbers they do ask us what our engineer estimate is when we advertise a project but that's just for their bond that's that has really no uh no impact on what they put on a bit form day so I'm not concerned about that it's more important that we give you guys good budgetary numbers that we can re so total estimate is 223 22.2 million but his job I know his job is to give us the ideal no I I know and then we down to what we can afford but that's so that's the question um so we'll have that discussion you know um is there anything anything that can be done to to reduce these costs I mean obviously I mean we have to ask the question yeah um and I before I answer that so like our our water plan number um that is uh that includes 30% contingency which is very appropriate at a planning level uh that includes you know engineering Administration all of that so that's a total project cost um and we try to apply that to a lot of these numbers to try toer them a little bit um and then your question about it can we bring is there any way we can bring um I think your your original question about managing Peak water usage will help a lot because that's just that just brings down Capital infrastructure um but there's limits to how much we can do right in a reasonable amount of time um I think looking at and and when I talked to the team about looking at Contracting methods isn't a bad strategy uh the state recently uh legalized construction manager at risk and I know that's new what does that mean um it's a different it's not a low bid um type of Contracting mechanism but it does offer some transparency to the costs so U we don't need to get into it today there there strategy there um I would recommend more just to me I think it's I mean maybe it's industry standard but I think there's to the mayor's Point there's 19.6 whether telling the public or 30% contingency seems too crazy I mean it's like is the range of the plant going to be between 12 and 16 million I think that's more acceptable to tell the public then I mean there's being conservative and then there's being over conservative and I don't I don't think there's any benefit in US putting out a $20 million plant or when would that be more reasonable I guess once we get plans and specs or I mean there's no way we can do $50 million worth of stuff in between now and 2028 in the north system I didn't even know we really had any that's a surprise to me that we really even had anything within the next 5 to 10 15 years so there's just going to have to be further discussion because there's I mean that's more than triple our annual budget or whatever I think he's he's just laying it out but that's why my comment earlier about growth when we do our comp plan we need to be very very um tuned into this because maybe we just say in the North Area we just can't expand at this time rather it's going to be in the south yeah yeah right assuming we have control um I I'm just saying these this is it's good information um sticker shock absolutely and I'm not shooting the messenger so don't worry don't worry I said it's the worst part of my job I know I know um but I do agree with Brian let's let's uh dial this in closer let's get a better because right now I'm thinking $22.2 million is is just way out of our are I mean I I don't know how we would pay for that I I just don't know so and then then when do we I guess the other question to staff and we'll have that discussion like you said on May 20th is okay now are we looking at borrowing 22.2 million when do we know how much we're going to have to borrow I think that's that's the big question so all right things to talk about I know and I guess that's next steps yeah move forward Wells 89 I think we know we need the capacity y right you know our recommendation is to start considering you know design of the self water plant and then right evaluating a funding strategy how long does that take the design process um 68 months uh it depends on what you're designing water for the so that's you know as we look at you know these these different SI and things you know the answer is going to depend on how much we're designing um I like to think that we can have a reasonable water plant design done uh in probably six to n months that's what I would think the uh the big item that I want to start on right away is just understanding the site a little bit more doing a site survey getting geotechnical done that's part of the reason we we had contingencies is I know very little about how that site is even going to accomodate a water plant from a structural standpoint geotechnical standpoint um the more information I can learn and more we can get into the details that number gets more realistic but um yeah so I guess that's as far as how much time we need six to n months would be I think so yeah if if I may jump in on that it brings up a great point if you remember I don't know if you guys are out there that was a hole mhm they filled it with junk right just scrap so I mean that's the first thing I brought up to these guys they need some samples out there do some cores to find out what's out there because unfortunately there's going to be some soil Corrections out there because quite frankly no one was going to put a water plant there it was going to go by the new tower that was the whole thing you know and you know so I mean that's going to be a big factor that's what's going to happen there so I'm just warning you right now the fill they put in there is probably not the best so can they just remove it so well that's what that's what they'll have to find out I mean that's going to be a big first step in how they design this thing so and that's what we you know like you said we want to look at get some geotechnical is it more cost effective to remove it other other options from us so stabilization right piling that thing piling oh that sounds like expensive removing cheap either can't we just move it somewhere else in yeah really really create a little sliding Hill exting H all right kids would love that all right well I don't have any other news but not happy to answer any other questions thank you okay an okay so you you gave us the ideal and in your experience with other cities what did they chop a third out of it the cost yeah uh it's hard to say it's oh you got a rain I I try not to get so inflated that the numbers are substantially Less on bid day because we've also I've also had experiences where the numbers are so so big or not so big but bigger and they would have done more had they known it would have come in that much less than what myate was so um I don't think my number that 19.6 I don't think it's that far off if you're if totally honest I think I think you're probably um you know 15 to 19 million it's probably where you're at 15 19 okay um and and I don't that's to me that's not far off so then in that case we have we have to come down to the time frame and how we're going to get that money okay all right thank you other questions I know we've kind of stepped in occasionally here I did I'm sorry but um rather than waiting to the end but um thank you very much um yeah good job but sorry we don't like the message the messenger we like and the message we okay thank you very much all right so um let's see on our business items um we uh want to approve plans and specifications and authorize the as advertisement for bid for Wells 8 and n and I I we have to move forward with this I mean there's no you know disc discussion there so um and just a real quick question to Brian um when we talk about this so we go out for bids and everything before we award the bid we're going to have that um conversation about money and how we're going to pay for it and all that okay all right yeah it'll probably be the same night so we'll probably do the work session on the plant on the 20th and then the awarding of this likely be on the 20th as well of May of May yes is that enough time to go out for bids bid opening is on the 8th of May of May okay okay that does that give you enough time to go out for bids and give them enough time to respond I think it's 30 days isn't it must be weeks three weeks 21 days okay but does that okay so another question Erin um does that give us enough leeway in order to get the best possible bids um the no way to answer that question I do you want to tell them no but I know like for instance when we go out for bids for roads we've discovered that if we go out for bids ear end of January we get better bids if we make the bid bids longer or opening longer it seems like we get better bids so I'm just wondering well well drillers are very busy right now so part of the reason we're just we're recommending just move forward is the Drillers we talk to it will be a year before they can even start right so I don't think us bidding today or a month or two months or 3 months or now is going to change the it's better we get it in their hand and get them under contract that's what I'm no no no that's that's not what I'm getting at I'm wondering if having the bid U the the time frame to have the bids out there is longer if that makes a difference no do stuff every day all right the ones who will bid the contract will bid it we'll bid it okay all right um so is there a motion then to approve the plans and specifications sure go ahead um so the issue on the staff report in the council packet it says plan SPS for municipal direction of Wells number 89 and then the bottom it's a staff recommends a motion for municipal production well six and seven is the bottom just that's my typle that's a I just want to make sure I wasn't missing something yeah it's my apologize catch up thank you I just want to make sure everybody's clear we're we're due to some of the financing stuff that we're trying to pursue there's a couple ad alternates I don't know if you saw those on there but we're going to try to get them to bid it so they completed in September of this year long shot um I think it's May of 25 medium shot and then the the actual completion date is in September of 25 so we'll see it's it's an optional bid item they don't have to bid on it if they want to try to say well we can get this done in September but it's going to cost $250,000 then we can at least weigh that option to see once um if we want expedite that's a whole funding conversation highly I don't know highly unlikely we'll get get them to do that just because I think we're talking about probably three well drillers that we know their schedules already right um but just want to make sure everybody's aware of the alternates thank you yeah so if we have these alternates and and so are there any differences these days with supply of anything or I mean does it somehow get less expensive in any way if it's longer I I don't know that um Aon might know I don't guess something yeah what's your question okay come come up here you just down along the way we we've debated various things that we wanted to do that had to do with you know interest rates or or supplies that that were missing you know after Co and that kind of thing are any of those factors playing into this to kind of as far as these alternatives and alternative dates as to what might help us cut the cost at all um so the the base bid is the furthest out and then our bid alternates are right you know what would they charge extra to expedite it um I don't think so I don't think moving the data up would decrease so interest rates have nothing to do with anything and supplies are supplies now and there aren't any supply issues when when they um are Pro they'll purchase their equipment you know Advance schedu okay thanks I mean I think I think you're asking like maybe is steel going to go down you know question we don't know um that's up to that that that they'll they'll try to figure that out and that'll be reflected in the bed in the bid okay all right okay and and they don't usually delay when they on ordering equipment because they know the prices don't go down so usually so even if they're doing a project in 20 of 25 they'll still order it pretty soon unless they really get into commodity prices and try to play that game but it's it's unusual yeah it's just like any contractors anything that we do it that you know as soon as they get it they'll order because they know that it could fluctuate yeah it could go down but most times it's going to go up so a lot of them well most of their quotes from their suppliers are only good for 30 days yeah so they don't want to risk losing that price so they'll just they'll regardless okay okay good questions any other other questions concerns all right then um do I have a motion to approve thank you um is there a second second thank you um an made that second then any further questions or discussion hearing none all those in favor signify with i i all those opposed motion passes 4 o and then uh the next one is a resolution to approve the plans and specifications and authorize distribu of quotes for the West Branch cul replacement project and I believe that would be Gary or Alison okay Alison I have i' I've met the the four the four slide minimum maximum for the night um mayor and Council um before you this evening is a quick request for West Branch covert replacement um on the next slide I show the location it's kind of in the north central part of the city on West Branch Road just east of Sunny field um typically a a cul replacement is something that the Public Works crew will take care of however um as you can see on the left side here there's about 10 ft of fill over top of that Culvert so um we were getting to a point there where this was uh getting Beyond um some of the equipment capabilities of Public Works crew um so we we uh Mr Peters asked us to put together uh plans and specifications to get a quot package out um to some contractors to get this replaced uh it's a fairly straightforward project U $50,000 was budget included in in the budget for storm replacement um and we're coming in under that at the estimate at this time uh We've identified five contractors that Public Works would like to send this package out to uh we'd get quotes in back um if Council approves it tonight we get quotes back at the uh May 13th and bring it back to council for May 20th and then we provided them with a Long window um to get the work done to try to get some good pricing in that and we anticipate weather permitting it would only take a few days they would do half of it at a time um we've got a detour route included in the in the plans um because we will have to close down the road during um that time and uh uh Chris bunders the P the project manager also been reaching out to folks just to let them know what's going on so um we've done a lot of um work with Gary on this and um be happy to answer any questions that the council may have with this project yeah just um you'd want to make sure it was finished before school starts that's the only that was one of the stipulation we put in there and just FY normally these are no problem for my Carew to do but like you said it is the depth it's the the Machinery we have and it's just the safety of my crew I I talked to the guys they don't feel comfortable doing this without all we we'd have to bring in different equipment different um um trench box and stuff and it's just for us it they just don't feel comfortable otherwise we would have no problem doing cfor us but yeah it's just a very dangerous situation that they're not used to and comfortable good thing we have a healthy uh storm water fund balance very healthy so there you go wish we had the water fund balance gr it's growing it's getting bigger all right any other questions okay hearing is there a motion to approve the uh plans and specifications and authorize the distribution of quotes for the West Branch Culvert replacement project so moved thank you Miss rkin is there a second second thank you Miss Lacy any other questions comments hearing none all those in favor signify with i i all those opposed motion passes 40 so thank you um next we have staff reports I mean yeah oh um uh well I can no we're going to do staff reports first oh sorry okay is that okay yes we'll do staff reports and then you can be first okay thank you all right um Steph uh yeah thank you Madame mayor I'll be uh as quick as I can here uh we have a bunch of City events coming up um trist day uh state of the city um okay so what what what are the dates um yeah TR TR Dayan I'm not prepared for this notes in my office today is of the city address May 7th y today is May 18th city bus okay yeah so thank you follow the website for for all that um no I did take notes and then I left them in my office so um but um just wanted to give an update quick legislative update that uh Missing middle housing bill is effectively dead right now for this year but there are a couple other bills floating around um regarding uh rentals yeah there's some rental stuff there's um uh multif family housing and Commercial zoning uh those things are kind of out there yet um but it appears that there has been some um uh some movement as far as the legislators go with listening to the the city so they're not as bad as they were in their uh initial form but they're still out there they will be uh I mean I'm guessing we'll still see this next year um and with hopes that there will be some sort of contingency of local government that gets to give input to the legislators legislators before they actually try to get something past so that's a it's it's good and bad um you know I think we'll fight another day about this we will I'm guessing absolutely we will um a little bonding update I mean I think the it's it's kind of uh the the the local government bonding um allocation I think might be up to around 90 million now up from 40 just because of the Surplus there's a lot of requests we're trying to get in front of the capital investment committees but um because we were on the bonding tour they're not going to let us testify or talk about our project um so we're kind of strategizing uh Governor walls gives out his list of preferred projects here in the next week two weeks something like that 3 weeks maybe um you know that's one Avenue uh I'm not sure it's uh we're going to keep trying and uh we're going to go after some congressionally directed funding through um uh Dean Phillips and in you know this is his last year likely um but that that's a that's a good opportunity too um we're going to try to exhaust all of our efforts to get outside funding brought into Minista for these water projects because as you saw tonight a lot of money anything will help so we're going to continue that effort but I wish I had better news on that front it's just a tough tough year for that that's all I have okay and I know um David said there's Planning Commission meeting and I will be attending um as the Leia on so I'll do that any other staff reports otherwise I'll move to council member Lacy oh it's not that exciting uh so the glesby center had a Roundtable 4-Hour long kind of brainstorming meeting where they wanted to kind of uh rebuild their mission statement and what they're all about and um so it went very well they got a lot of input um it's a very large board so there was a lot of input um but that will be coming too they plan to come and give you a presentation as to what they're doing um and so I went to that meeting and then also the West hka Community in Commerce is looking for a new president and um kind of a new event coordinator and we found someone I think that's very interested in doing that very active Community member so that's really all I have okay great thank you nothing okay um I attended the Public Works um gym opening very nice Public Safety wonderful I can't Public Safety and then um Ann and I had a Personnel committee meeting way back in March about the hours of the building that's all I have and we and uh we approved a new Public Works U maintenance worker so yay okay and we're still looking for another officer with hopes that maybe you'll find somebody when you go to yeah yeah where are you going hopefully tomorrow when we go to Alex Tech we're going to be recruiting the uh seconde students who are coming close to graduation so um we're going to be talking to them saying contingent upon them passing school and licensed an exam hopefully we can get somebody to come on board and be fully staffed that would be great show show them the new facility yeah we we have a nice uh slide that sergeant cumings and I put together that highlights a lot of the stuff like including the new work on facility our new contract and everything so okay all right good good luck all right luck um so I um I've attended a number of things um I attended the uh recently over this weekend I was at uh up in Baxter at the um mayor's conference annual U Minnesota annual mayor's conference and um I've been getting lots of um legislative updates because I got one there and then uh Daniel Lightfoot with the LMC was also at our uh Northwest League which I also attended um a few days earlier so um uh Jasper is correct the um buing middle housing bill is basically dead for this season but it will come up next year one of the interesting things on that is that uh the uh Builders Association or now called first house housing first um they have been able to um amass if you will a whole uh whole bunch of different organizations to stand with them on this so we are up against a lot but here's the thing what we were told is that it made a huge difference to hear from their cities and I'm not talking just Mayors I'm talking city council members and also residents and but the Mayors and the council members when they um notified or talk to their representatives it made a big difference so next year when this happens you know again we're just going to have to keep calling but I would also recommend they said it was also a good idea that we put it on our Facebook page and our website and let our constituents know what's going on at the capital because many people had no idea about this and it's terrible overreach I think by by the state to tell every community in the in the state every city in the state has to abide by this one rule and it was a horrible rule so um however the um the other one that's still possibly in the works as um I think it's uh 410 is the bill and um that's where they can come in and they can put in um in a commercial zoning area they can put in residential housing and there's certain things that they've been able that the LMC has been able to work into that bill but still it's also still a terrible it's a zoning issue and it should be a city issue and so if you have time and you can notif contact your representatives via text message email whatever just please um tell them that you don't want that bill as well um so the Regional Council mayor's meeting was uh really all about um uh um police or Public Safety uh the BCA superintendent uh Drew Evans was there uh the Andrew Luger who is United States Attorney he was there public safety commissioner Bob Jacobson was there and then we also heard from um henan County ATT um Ramsey County Attorney John Choy henan County Commissioner Jeff Lundy one of the things and I'm not going to get into all of this Statistics that they said because it's way too many way too much and you don't want to be here more than another two minutes so here's the thing but fent andol fentol is the biggest issue and they went across the state and they asked different um uh police a agencies what the biggest issue is and Fentanyl was by far the biggest issue in our state today so um that is what they're really trying that is a big battle today so I am so glad that we are on the a drug task force I'm so glad that we have the embedded social worker and if we can get another officer on on board that would be also great but we need uh boots on the ground we need people involved in this and so I'm very proud to say that we are part of the drug task force and that has made um a a difference here in our community and so with that that's all I'm going to report on for tonight so um any questions otherwise uh we'll be back here on Monday May 6 and then also you are all invited the public as well as all of you um to the stage of the city address on the 7th and that is going to be held at Burl Oaks golf club there will be a cash bar just a little incentive to come um and the time is 7:00 5:30 5:30 okay way off yeah I'm way off there you go okay 5:30 everyone 5:30 be there or it starts at 6 it's the the address will be at 6 o' a great opportunity to uh chat with your elected officials I understand there'll be um commissioner Anderson will be there as well as hopefully some of you so and I and I will be there too so with that is there a motion to adjourn so move thank you Miss McGregor is there a second second Miss Lacy seconded that oh miss Lacy made the motion I didn't hear you I'm so sorry all right we got that straightened out all those in favor signify with i i i all those opposed motion passes thank you very much good job