[~MUSIC~] >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING CITIZENS OF TAMPA, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME TO ORDER, MAY 20, 2021 MEETING. WE WILL HAVE THE INVOCATION. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE MICROPHONE IS NOW ON. REVEREND MINDY IS ALWAYS HONORED TO COME HEAR AND GIVE THE INVOCATION AND I AM GLAD TO SEE HIS FACE TODAY. I WISH HE WOULD BE HERE IN PERSON HOWEVER. RABBI MENDY WAS RAISED IN TAMPA, DID HIS ORDINATION IN BROOKLYN. THE RABBI WAS HIRED AS THE FIRST JEWISH CHAPLAIN TO WORK WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BACK IN 2018. HE IS A RABBI OF CHABAC IN SOUTH TAMPA. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND GIVING US THE INVOCATION TODAY. IF EVERYONE QUO PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING. FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. RABBI. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. LET US PRAY. MASTER OF THE WORLD, LOOK FAVORABLY UPON THIS COUNCIL, THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. BLESS THEM WITH GOOD HEALTH, WISDOM AND COMPASSION THAT THEY MAY ENACT JUST LAWS ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL. BLESS OUR DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. LET OUR MEMBERS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CHOSEN BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLACED THEIR FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN THEMO MAKE LAWS AND DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF OUR GREAT CITY. LET US ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HOLD THE GOD-GIVEN POSITION, THE PERFORMANCE OF ONE OF THE 7 UNIVERSAL LAWS GIVEN TO NOAH, THE FATHER OF ALL HUMANITY, TO ENSURE A PEACEFUL AND MORAL SOCIETY GOVERNED BY THE RULE OF LAW. BLESS OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE MILITARY WHO CONSTANTLY SACRIFICE FOR THE FREEDOM WE CHERISH. PROTECT THEM. RETURN THEM SAFELY TO THEIR FAMILIES. TODAY WE FIND OUR HOME LAND ISRAEL IN CONFLICT, WITH AMAS AND GAZA. THE LOSS OF EACH ONE HUMAN LIFE IS AN UNFATHOMABLE TRAGEDY AND WE MOURN THE LOSS OF DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO DIED IN THIS CONFLICT. WE PRAY THAT ALL PEOPLES IN THE REGION FIND TRUE PEACE SO THEY MAY LIVE IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER SIDE BY SIDE. HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WE TOO ARE STRUGGLING WITH CONFLICT IN THE FORM OF BIGOTRY, RACISM, ANTI-SEMITISM, AND HATE IN ANY FORM. LET US USE THE POWER OF SPEECH TO UNITE AND NEVER DIVIDE. WE KNOW THAT YOU DEAR GOD GIVE US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE SO LET US BE MINDFUL OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ACTIONS. LET US ALL FIND THE INHERENT GOODNESS IN EACH OTHER AND POSITIVELY ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER TO FULFILL OUR CHARGE FROM THE ALMIGHTY TO PERFECT THE WORLDS UNDER HIS SOVEREIGNTY. IN THIS WAY WE CAN ALL BRING LIGHT IN PLACE OF DARKNESS, REDEMPTION IN PLACE OF DESPAIR, AND HAPPINESS AND PEACE TO ALL WHO SEEK IT, AND LET US SAY AMEN. [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ] >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU AGAIN RABBI. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT RULES NOW OR GO TO THE ADDENDUM AND APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANKOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD MORNING. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 20th OF 2021. WE ARE HERE IN OLD CITY HALL AT 3:15 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD. STILL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND THIS MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS YOU JUST HEARD. HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERENCE REFERRED TOAVE BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT. TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020-225, AND AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024-09 AND RESOLUTION 2021-241. THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON CHANNEL 15, AND LIVESTREAM ON THE INTERNET AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM. NOW, THE MC ARE ABLE TO VIRTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN MULTIPLE WAYS. FOR INSTANCE, ONE IS BY SENDING WRITTEN COMMENTS BY INTERNET OR WEB OR COMMENTS BY E-MAIL OR U.S. MAIL, AND TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT USING CMT. ALSO TO PARTICIPATE USING CMT AVAILABLE AT OLD CITY HALL. WITH REGARD TO SPEAKING REMOTELY, ALL THAT INFORMATION IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN ACCESS THAT BY GOING TO TAMPA.GOV/CITY COUNCIL, ONE WORD, AND THERE YOU WILL FIND ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS. NOW, IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE, USING CMT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVICE. YOU CANNOT USE A PHONE EXCEPT FOR TALKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL SECOND READINGS TODAY, YOU WOULD NEED EITHER A LAPTOP, A TABLET OR A DESKTOP. BUT AGAIN, THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE. NOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA DEVICE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF PARTICIPATING VIA CMT WHICH IS BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC BY THE CITY OF TAMPA DURING TODAY'S MEETING HERE AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, ON THE SECOND FLOOR. PLEASE NOTE THAT USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THIS BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED. COUNCIL, COMMENTS RECEIVED TO A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HEARD WHEN IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, AND AGAIN, FOR WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUBMITTED, THERE IS A DEADLINE TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEM BEFORE COUNCIL, AND PUBLIC COMMENTS RECVED TIMELY BY MAIL, E-MAIL, WEB OR CMT WILL BE AFFORDED EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE MADE IN PERSON. ONE LAST WORD, PLEASE, TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THE CHAT FUNCTION ON THE PLATFORM GO TO MEETING IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC TO COMMUNICATE TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. IT'S ONLY TO BE USED FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES. PLEASE DO NOT USE THE CHAT FUNCTION TO COMMUNICATE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TECHNICAL ISSUE. TUHE MEETING BACK TO YOU ANDN, I I THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSEKEEPING THIS MORNING, GENTLEMEN. MR. SHELBY, RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM FROM MR. DINGFELDER, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR 15, 16, 38 40. THOSE UNDER STAFF REPORTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR. IF I CAN CLARIFY MY REQUEST ON THAT. IN REGARD TO 15 AND 16, I WOULD JUST ASK THE COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR A SEPARATE VOTE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND IN REGARD TO ITEM 38, I GOT MY ANSWER YESTERDAY EVENING FROM MR. BAIRD AND SAL, AND I AM GOOD ON 38. YOU CAN STRIKE THAT ONE. IN REGARD TO 40, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE SCOOTERS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO STAFF REPORTS TO GO OVER THEIR REPORT BEFORE WE RE-UP THE SCOOTERS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE MR. BENNETT WAS IN THE AUDIENCE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE'S HIDING BEHIND MR. SHE WILL BY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU CAN GIVE THE FOLKS A CALL ABOUT THE STAFF REPORTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST NEED VIK ON ITEM 40. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALSO HAVE -- MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1 TO BE REMOVED TO THE JUNE 24th WORKSHOP. >> [OFF MICROPHONE] >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL REMOVE THAT ITEM. MOTION BY CITRO, SECOND BY MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. MR. SHELBY, DO YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION FOR APPROVAL OF MAY 6th? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS. I PROVIDED THOSE RESUTIONS TO THE CLERK. JUST RATIFYING WHAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE MAKING THEIR APPOINTMENTS. SO WE CAN DO THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS. UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO JUST DO IT RIGHT NOW. YOUR CHOICE, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S JUST A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GET IT OVER WITH, I'LL MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR APPOINTMENTS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL FROM MAY 6th. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. WE HAVE MEMORANDUM OF REMOVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 49. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS A 10:30 PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. WE COULD ANNOUNCE IT AT 10:30 AND ACCEPT THAT AT THAT TIME. CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR NOTICING THE PUBLIC, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO ACCEPT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S CERTAINLY DBLE AND WE CAN MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ITEM 49 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN WHEN THE TIME COMES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL DO IT WHEN WE OPEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GO TO CONSENT WITH THE STAFF REPORTS. I WANT TO GO DOWN EACH ITEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE HASN'T SEEN AND TALKED TO, MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE AVAILABLE, IF NOT LET THEM GO. ITEM NUMBER 51. CONTINUE ON THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE MAKER OF THE MOTION SUBSEQUENT TO MAKING THIS REQUEST FOR THE CONTINUANCE. I HAD ANTICIPATED MAY 27th AND I AM GOING TO BE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL TIME IF COUNCIL DOES ALLOW ME. IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, THERE'S NO URGENCY ON THIS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME RESEARCH. SO I'M OKAY WITH A WORKSHOP, LET'S SIGH, I DON'T KNOW -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT, I CAN DO IT UNDER STAFF REPORT ON A STAFF DAY AS A MEMORANDUM, AND IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SET IT FOR A WORKSHOP AFTER THAT, IT CERTAINLY CAN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO A STAFF REPORT IN MID AUGUST, MADAM CLERK? >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION IS AUGUST 26th. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T THINK I NEED THAT MUCH TIME. THFIRST ONE IN AUGUST.th IS >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AUGUST 5th? THAT'S RIGHT AFTER -- WELL, I GUESS NOT RIGHT AFTER OUR BREAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN DO IT SOONER THAN THAT, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. OF COURSE YOU HAVE A TWO-WEEK BREAK . I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, THE SUMMER RECESS. >> [OFF MICROPHONE] >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY,ET'S DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH THE CLERK. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >>THE CLERK: WE DO HAVE ONE SCHEDULED FOR 9 A.M., LAND DEVELOPMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE FINE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUNE 24th IT IS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9 A.M. THEN? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 9 A.M. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK FOR A SECOND TO 52. WHAT WE JUST DID WAS TO SEND REVIEW FOR THIS QUESTION OFT FOR HIRING, RETAIN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL. AM I CORRECT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE HAVE TO FINISH 51. SO 51, MY MOTION IS JUNE 24th AT 9:00 A.M. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, ITEM 52. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP NOW IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TOAKE IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S A MEMORANDUM FROM CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES TALKING ABOUT THE CRB, SO THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN ITEM 52. AND IT'S ALSO ON THE ADDENDUM AS WELL. SO IF YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT FOR DISCUSSION, I AM PREPARED TO DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DISCUSS IT AT THE TIME YOU TAKE UP THE ITEMS, THAT'S ALSO FINE, TOO. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR WITH, THIS AND ALSO THE -- SORRY WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK, BUT THIS AND THE IS POWER ISSUE, SUBPOENA POWERSSUE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO SET A DATE, LIKE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON CHARTER AMENDMENTS. LIKE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW SOME OF US ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT WE VOTED ON THE ISSUE OF THE MAYOR APPROVING COMMITTEES THAT COUNCIL SET UP AND VICE VERSA, AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE MAY BE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PROPOSE AS CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND WE SHOULD . THE UNDERLAYING ISSUE ON SUBPOENAS FROM LEGAL COUNCIL IS IF CITY COUNCIL, EACH THOUGH WE HAVE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY, THAT WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE SUBPOENA POWER SO THERE WOULD BE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER A CHARTER AMENDMENT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR CRB OR SHOULD BE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, I MEAN THE CHARTER. SO THE POINT IS IF WE HAD A MEETING SIX MONTHS OR SO BEFORE THE ELECTION, WE COULD SCHEDULE ALL THOSE CHARTERS AT ONCE, HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THE BALT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THIS OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, WHICH WOULD BE AS I UNDERSTAND IT A CHARTER ISSUE ALSO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU ARE TAKING. I JUST HAVE A CONCERN, SIX MONTHS OUT FROM AN ELECTION. I THINK, MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO MEET WITH MRS. GRIMES IN REGARD TO A CHARTER OR SPECIAL WORKSHOP REGARDING THE CHARTER, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THIS, AND SHE HAS OFFERED AND I HAVE AGREED AND I THINK IT'SN EXCELLENT IDEA THAT SHE AND I WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS -- AND I SAID IN MY MEMO -- THE ISSUES. LANGUAGE OF THE CITY CHARTER TO RECONCILE ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND PROVISIONS THAT MAY BE REVEALED THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF THE REVIEW. I THINK IT'S A NECESSARY PREDICATE BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES IN THE CHARTER SO WE UNDERSTAND AND COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT ITS PARAMETERS ARE. SO THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION PERHAPS NECESSARY IN ADVANCE OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER -- EXCU ME,ARLSON IS PROPOSING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO I LIKE THE IDEA GENERALLY, MR. CARLSON. I THINK THAT SIX MONTHS IS A LITTLE TIGHT TO THE ELECTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE IT OVER TO THE SUPERVISOR AND GET THE BALLOTS PRINTED UP AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT SUGGESTION DISCUSSION, I WOULD SUGGEST START A YEAR OUT. THEN THAT WAY MAYBE IT'S DONE A FEW MONTHS LATER, AND GIVE THE SUPERVISOR PLENTY OF TIME TO PUT SOMETHING ONHE BALT. BUT IT'S NOT JUST THIS ISSUE. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ISSUES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WHERE WE KIND OF SCRATCH OUR HEADS AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE WE NEED TO TWEAK THE CHARTER TO ADDRESS THAT. AND I CAN THINK OF THREE OR FOUR OTHER TIMES WE HAVE DONE THAT. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CRB ISSUE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE TODAY, AND PUT THAT TO BED IF POSSIBLE, AND JUST LIKE WE VOTED ON IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO 6 TO 1, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY IS DONE WITH IT, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE TODAY, AND WE CAN PUT OFF ANY OF THESE CHARTER ISSUES TILL A YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE TO SAY WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID MAKES IN MY VIEW, ANYWAY, COMMON SENSE. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE, I BELIEVE, IN WEDNESDAY'S "TAMPA BAY TIMES" REGARDING -- AND I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE -- LIKE THIS WHERE THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING TO GO. AND I THINK THE SOONER WE HANDLE THIS, THE BETTER WE ARE. AND LET THE PUBLIC STUDY, NOT ONLY ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT BUT WHO IS GOING TO SERVE. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING AND LOOKING AT. AND IT'S AN ITEM THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE HAVING THIS COME BEFORE US ON THESE BASES. SO WE ALSO, MY CONTINUING THESE THINGS AS FAR AS THIS, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SEEKING TO BECOME POLICE OFFICERS OR SHERIFFS OR WHATEVER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO WE ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY, I HOPE, TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WE GOT ELECTED TO MAKE THE CHOICES AND LATER ON IF THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON ALL OF THIS, WHOEVER IS SEEKING OFFICE. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR POINTS, TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC, AND TAMPA WAY YOU FEEL, NOT MYSPACE MINE BUT YOURS. ALLF US HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND I RESPECT THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY VIABLE, AND THAT'S CALLED LAW. YOU HAVE LAW. YOU HAVE LAWYERS. YOU HAVE JUDGES. AND AT THE END, THE ONES THAT START THE PROCESS OF ENFORCING THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SWORN OFFICERS NO MATTER WHERE YOU WORK AT, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY, THE COUNTY, AND THE FBI, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ENFORCING THE LAW. SO FOR THE CHARACTER OF THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DECISION IN WHICH WAY THEIR LIFE IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICE OARS, FEDERAL COUNTY STATE OTHERS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT TO APPLY FOR A JOB OR NOT APPLY FOR A JOB. I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHAT I HAVE READ IT'S GETTING TURF AND TOUGHER TO RECRUIT IDES INDIVIDUALS TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND THE REASON IS THAT THEY ARE JUDGED ON SOMETHING THAT'S 100th OF A SECOND OF A DECISION TO MAKE THAT YOU AND I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE DEALT WITH ON A DAILY BASIS AND IHINKHE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES, I THINK REGARDLESS WHERE YOU STAND SUBSTANTIVELY ON THESE ISSUES, HEARING FROM CITY COUNCIL TODAY BEFORE WE BEGIN TO ENTERTAIN A PROCESS ON EVERY ISSUE, I HAVE COME OUT ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THESE ISSUES, I JUST THINK MAKES SENSE. BEFORE WE BEGIN A PROCESS. I THINK THAT HAS NO RELEVANCY TO WHERE SOMEBODY STANDS ON IT. AGAIN JUST TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE WE BEGIN A PROCESS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WHOLE CRB ISSUE, TODAY, LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, I THINK, MAKES SENSE. IF I AM READING EVERYBODY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DIDN'T WE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE IF I AM READING EVERYONE RIGHT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT, FOR SOME REASON, THE CRB ORDINANCE WAS NOT PUT ON THE AGENDA, WAS NOT PUT IN THE ONLINE INFORMATION, SO IT'S NOT ONE OF THE NUMBERED ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. SO IF SOMEBODY WATCHING MAY THINK THAT 52 IS ABOUT THE DINAE B IT'S NOT. IT'S ABOUT A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT REGARDING LEGAL COUNCIL. BUT SINCE IT'S A CHARTER AMENDMENT, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE -- AND THE ORDINANCE HAS BECOME A WALK-ON ITEM WHICH WILL BE SEPARATELY DISCUSSED, I THINK, DEPENDING IF WE ARE GIVEN PROPER NOTICE. BUT ITEM 52 IS PART OF CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS, AND I CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW OR LATER TO EITHER MOVE IT, THE WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY IS FEBRUARY 24th. I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM AS A CHARTER PROPOSAL TO FEBRUARY4th,ND/OR WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSE THAT ALL CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 24th. DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION OR WAIT? >>GINA GRIMES: MAY I? GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. MR. SHELBY AND I DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS REQUESTED CHARTER AMENDMENT, AND OUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT CHARTER AMENDMENTS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT HOLISTICALLY, NOT JUST PIECEMEAL WHERE YOU AMEND ONE SECTION OF THE CHARTER WITHOUT CONSIDERING HOW IT AFFECTS OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THOUGH, THAT I DID NOT ENDORSE HOLISTICALLY LOOKING AT THE CHARTER AGAIN BECAUSE THAT'S IN FACT AS YOU WELL KNOW WAS THE FUNCTION OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT WAS JUST IMPANELED, AND THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AS, MR. CITRO, THOSE WERE ON THE 2018 BALLOT, AND WERE ALL APPROVED. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE CONCERNS, ALL OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS TO ME ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF T CNGES THAT ARE NOW IN THE CHARTER WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AND VOTED UPON, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I HAVE, AS WELL AS ANDREA ZELMAN, GONE BACK NOT ONLY AND LOOKED AT THE MINUTES FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT WE ALSO EVALUATED LISTENING TO THE AUDI% TAPES FROM ALL OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HEARINGS, AND THEN I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IN THE END, YOU ALL DID A SUMMARY. THAT SUMMARY OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THOSE WERE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A WORKSHOP. THEY WERE REVIEWED AGAIN AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP. NOT EVERY CHARTER AMENDMENT GOT PLACED ON THE BALLOT. IT WAS DECIDED WHICH ONES WOULD GET PLACED ON THE BALLOT, AND THEN THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY PUT ON THE BALLOT. SO I DON'T WANT -- I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED BY SOME OF THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AREN'T THE SAME AS WHAT YOU RECOLLECTIONED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU BASED ON THE REVIEW THAT WE DID THAT THEY ARE IN FACT WHAT YOU DISCUSSED, AND THEY WERE VETTED THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT HEARING PROCESSES. AGAIN, I'M JUST MENTIONING ALL THAT BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER HOLISTICALLY, AND IT INCLUDED CITIZENS, ALL OF YOU WERE CITIZENS AT THE TIME AND YOU SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE, AS DID ANDREA ZELMAN AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE INTENDING TO DO IS BASICALLY TO SUPPLANT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BY HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THE CHARTER, OR IF YOU WANTED -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER HOLISTICALLY OR ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CITIZENSEVIEW BOARD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TO REBUT BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SUPPLANT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE OPE% THE WHOLE CHARTER. I WOULD, THOUGH, ASK THAT LEGAL STAFF SEND THE TRANSCRIPTS AND/OR LINKS TO THE AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDINGS OF THOSE MEETINGS, AND IF YOU HAVE THEM TIME STAMPED IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND SEND TO THE ALL OF US AND MAYBE EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL FOLKS WHO WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHO ARE NOT IN THE CITY NOW, AND THEIR RECOLLECTION IS THE SAME AS MINE, THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT MADE IT TO THE FINAL VERSION THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE APPROVED. IT COULD BE THAT SOMEBODY CHANGED THE SUMMARY AND PRESENTED IT TO US AND WE APPROVED IT INADVERTENTLY AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT. BUT WE WERE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE WERE ADVISING THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE ADVISED THEM ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE APPROVING, AND IF SOMETHING CHANGED BETWEEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND A SUMMARY OR SOMETHING THAT CHANGED BEFORE THAT CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL INADVERTENTLY VOTED ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. IT WOULDN'T BE REVIEW THE WHOLE CHARTER BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT WHAT MADE IT TOP THE FINAL BALLOT OR WHAT IS INTERPRETED IS FINAL. AND IT'S ONE OR TWO ISSUES AS I RECALL. AND THEN WE HAVE GOT TWO ISSUES HERE. AND MY POINT LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT WE WOULD TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW OF IT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ONE CHARTER CHANGE WITHOUT SEEING WHAT THE IMPACT OF ANOTHER MIGHT BE, AND IF WE END UP WITH FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE IT'S TWO, BUT IF WE END UP WITH FIVE OR SIX PROPOSALS, LET'S PUT THEM ALL ON ONE DATE AND ARGUE THEM ALL OUT AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON ALL OF THEM AND THEN SEE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING. THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSAL FOR MOVING THEM TO MAYBE FEBRUARY 24th. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. SHELBY, IN REGARD TO THE CHARTER, THE CHARTER RIGHT NOW SPECIFICALLY GIVES COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY AND ABILITY TO PUT THINGS ON T BALLOT. IS THAT CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT COMES FROM STATE STATUTE, MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S UNDER STATE STATUTE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF THE CHARTER PANEL THAT SEVERAL OF YOU WERE ON, THIS IS A COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE PROCESS THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT A QUESTION OR STATEMENT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S A QUESTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN THE ANSWER TO THAT IS UP UNTIL THE VOTERS APPROVE A RECURRING CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THAT WAS THE ONLY W TO DO IT WAS TO HAVE IT PUT ON BY CITY COUNCIL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THEN SENT TO THE MAYOR FOR APPROVAL OR NOT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T STEPPING OUT OF LINE AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT WAS UNUSUAL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IF I -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WASTE TOO MUCH TIME IN 2021 DOING THIS. I LIKE BILL'S IDEA OF TAKING WHATEVER CHARTER ISSUES MIGHT COME UP OVER THE NEXT EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AND ROLL THEM INTO FEBRUARY WORKSHOP, IF ANYTHING COMES OUT OF IT, FINE F.NOTHING . BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT IT A YEAR FROM NOW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M ALERTED TO THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MRS. GRIMES AND MR. CARLSON AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT WERE VOTED ON BUT NOT PARTICULARLY PUT IN AN AGENDA, THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED ON. SO WHAT I AM GOING TO ASK IF IT'S NOT TOO BURDENSOME, IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW, SOMEBODY REVIEW ALL THE TAPES- >>GINA GRIMES: WE DID. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- FROM THAT COMMITTEE, AND ALL THE VOTES ARE TAKEN ON EVERY SINGLE VOTE THAT IS TAKEN, TO TAKE THAT AND PUT IT, CONDENSE IT INTO A TAPE SO THAT ALL OF US CAN SEE. I THINK THEY CAN DO THAT. I AM NOT AN ELECTRONIC EXPERT. I JUST TURN THE COMPUTER OFF AN ON. >>GINA GRIMES: WE CAN DO THAT VERY EASILY THERE.% WERE MINUTES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO PUT CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY AND THE ACT OF GOD SAYING THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS A PUBLIC RECORD SO THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD BE AT EASE. I PRECIATE YOU. >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THE EXTRA SAFEGUARD IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING LIKE THAT COULD HAVE OCCURRED BECAUSE MR. SHELBY WAS PART OF THE PROCESS, HE ATTENDED EVERY CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING, AND HE WAS AT THE SAME TIME THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY SO HE WOULD HAVE REVIEWED WHATEVER WAS DRAFTED AND PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL, AND I GUARANTEE YOU HE WOULD HAVE MADE SURE THAT IT ACCURATELY REFLECTED WHAT WAS VOTED UPON AT THE CHARTER REVIEW MMISSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. THEN I AM GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THANK MRS. GRIMES FOR HER COMMENT AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. BECAUSE I THINK FRANKLY, COUNCIL, I AGREE WITH WHAT MS. GRIMES HAS SAID WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MAY HAVE INTENDED. I BELIEVE OUR DISCUSSION, MS. GRIMES AND I, FOCUSED ON INTERPRETATION OF LANGUAGE, AND SOMETIMES WE HAD A DISCUSSION FOR A COMMA IN A SENTENCE, AND THERE'S A DIFFERING INTERPRETATION THAT SOMEHOW AFFECTS THE POWER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IT AT LEAST HAS TO COME TO LIGHT AND BE RESOLVED. SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S INTENTION WAS, WHAT THEY SAID, I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY THING. IT'S A MAJOR UNDERTAKING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT. BUT I WAS THERE, AS WERE THREE OF YOU WHO ARE NOW SITTING ON THE DAIS TODAY, AND I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION REALLY IS WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ULTIMATELY PUT IT ON THE CHARTER, WHICH IS THE VOTERS, WHAT WAS THEIR UNDERSTANDING? WE REALLY DON'T NONEXCEPT UP TO THE BUDGET SUMMARY AND THE VOTE, AND THE QUESTION IS, IF THERE WAS AN INTERPRETATION THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL MAY HAVE THOUGHT, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE INTERPRETATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, THAT ULTIMATELY PUT THOSE QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT BEFORE THE VOTERS? WAS IT THEIR INTENTION TO ABRIDGE OR CONSTRICT THE POWER OF THE CITY COUNCIL? AND I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF DISCUSSION I AM GRATEFUL TO MS. GRIMES THAT SHE'S WILLING TO SPEND THE TIME WITH ME OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS, SHE'S OFFERED, OVER SEVERAL DAYS, HOURS, WHO KNOWS? BUT I AM WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO WORK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES OF INTERPRETATION. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS MISLED. I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE WE CAN UNDERSTAND AS A CITY HOW WE ARE TO MOVE FORWARD, RATHER THAN HAVE BEEN THESE ISSUES COME UP WITH COUNCIL ON A PERIODIC BASIS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I AM ASKING FOR. AND I EXPRESSED THAT TO MRS. GRIMES AND SHE'S GRACIOUSLY OFFERED TO WORK WITH ME TO WORK WITH THAT AND I AGRATUL FOR THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG WITH WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST SAID, NOT ONLY WITH THREE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE OTHER THREE ON CITY COUNCIL. SO WE HAVE SIX. MR. GUDES, YOU WERE THE DIRECTOR AND YOU WERE UNDERSTANDING THAT OUT OF THE SEVEN OF US, SIX HAD A DIRECT OR INDIRECT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE ELECTED, THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE ELECTED PRIOR TO THEM BEING ON THE COUNCIL, ALSO LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE ON A UNIFORM. SO THAT'S WHY I ASK THAT QUESTION TO FINISH IT OFF TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IN ANY WAY THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY WAS DOING OR NOT DOING THEIR DUTIES THAT WERE GIVEN BY THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN? MY RECOLLECTION. MY RECOLLECTION. THERE WERE THOSE WEEKS THAT WE MADE SURE WE THOUGHT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, MADE SURE THAT WE HAD VIDEO, AUDIO, NOT A PUSHBACK -- A LOT OF PUSHBACK. ASKING ASKING ASKING STILL DIDN'T GET, WHICH I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. THE WAY I VIEW IT, THE WAY I SEE IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT INTERPRETATION. CLEARLY. BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE VOTED ON, THE INTERPRETATION, OR THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT, IS A DIFFERENT WAY THAN MAYBE OTHERS ARE INTERPRETING IT. AND I THINK THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ACTUAL SITTING COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. BU THE INTERPRETATION THEYING, READ, OR SOMETIMES YOU -- HERE IT IS, WE GO WITH IT. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT MR. SHELBY AND MS. GRIMES, AGAIN, I THINK A WORKSHOP IS NEEDED TO GO OVER THOSE CERTAIN WORDS, COMMAS, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE POWER OF THIS HOUSE AND THE POWER OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS CLEAR. AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S NOT CLEAR. AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME INTO THESE FIGHTS. HATE TO USE THAT WORD, BUT THESE DECISION MAKING OF WHO HAS WHAT AUTHORITY. CHARTER NEEDS TO BE CLEAR OF WHO HAS WHAT AUTHORITY. I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR OF THE AUTHORITY, BECAUSE SOME OF IT OVERLAPS EACH OTHER. IF WE CAN GET THESE SITUATIONS, BUT MR. CARLSON, I RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, I RESPECT MR. DINGFELDER, BUT I DO THINK THAT SIX MONS TO AN ELECTION IS JUST TOO CLOSE, YOU GET INTO A LOT OF POLITICAL STUFF. I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE AT THE FOCUS OF THIS BODY OR FOR THE CITY. SO I WOULD ASK IF THERE IS A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN TODAY THAT WE LOOK AT A WORKSHOP WAY PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF CHARTER ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO CRB ISSUES, AS IT RELATES TO ANY OTHER THINGS IN THE CHARTER, THAT THEY ARE CLEARED UP, THEY ARE CLEAR, AND THEY GO TO THE VOTERS, CLEAR ON WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON, THIS BODY IS ALSO CLEAR AS TO WHO HAS HAVE THEUTHOTY. MR. SHELBY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE THIS OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT I WAS TASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE AS LEGAL ADVISER TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, CERTAINLY IT WAS CITY ATTORNEY SAL TERRITO WHO WAS THERE, AND ACTUALLY DRAFTED AND DID A LOT OF TREMENDOUS WORK IN SUPPORT OF THAT COMMISSION. I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ADVOCATE FOR CITY COUNCIL. I BROUGHT THINGS I FELT NECESSARY TO AHEARN THEM OF INFORMATION BUT IN NO WAY DID I INTERN ORTHOPEDIC WAS PERMITTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR GIVEN THAT AUTHORITY TO ADVOCATE FOR ANY SPECIFIC POSITION. I WAS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO ACT AS A NEUTRAL. THANK YOU. >>LUIS VIERA: AND YOU DID A FABULOUS JOB, SIR. MR. CARLSON, I SEE YOUR HAND. IT'S HERE NOW. I WOULD RATHER G THIS OUT OF THE WAY. IT'S A HOT TOPIC. AND WE MOVE ON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD PROPOSE MAKING TWO MOTIONS OR I CAN MAKE THE SAME. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SCHEDULE FEBRUARY 24th WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS ANY PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT CHANGES FOR THE FOLLOWING ELECTION, AND I CAN MAKE THIS AS A SEPARATE MOTION OR SAME MOTION, AND THAT ITEM NUMBER 52 BE MOVED AS PART THAT TO FEBRUARY 24th. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY CARLSON, SECONDY DINGFELDER. MR. VIERA, DISCUSSION. >>LUIS VIERA: MOVING -- I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AT THE VERY LEAST TODAY ANY CHARTER AMENDMENTS DEALING WITH THE CRB. AGAIN I HAVE FALLEN IN DIFFERENT SIDES ON THE ONES THAT ARE DISCUSSED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A ROBUST DISCUSSION SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS FROM NOW ON THIS ISSUE BUT AT LEAST ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES TODAY I THINK WOULD BE WISE. MY THOUGHTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT, MR. VIERA? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LUIS, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND WE WOULD PROBABLY SPEND AN HOUR ON THAT TODAY AND MAYBE THE VOTE WOULD COME OUT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN FEBRUARY. BUT IN FEBRUARY SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION AND SAY LET'S ADD IT TO THE LIST OF THINGS OF CHARTER ISSUES, AND IT COULD BE VIABLE AGAIN. SO IT'S LIKE WHY WASTE OUR TIME TODAY? THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. WHY WASTE OUR TIME TODAY? BECAUSE EVEN IF WE THINK WE GOT -- ONE WAY OR THE OTHER -- ORLAO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FOR THE LAST TIME. I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT'S POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, I AM LOOKING AT A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST THE SEVEN OF US, AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. I AM LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS VIABLE TO ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ANY FEDERAL AGENCY, ANY STATE AGENCY, ANY COUNTY AGENCY THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, LOOKING AT US TODAY AND SAYING WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT? AND IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT. I WANT THEM, WHOEVER IS APPLYING FOR THESE L ENFORCEMENT JOBS, GOD BLESS THEM ALL BECAUSE WE NEED THEM, THAT IT'S INCUMBENT TO SAY YAY OR NAY TODAY ON WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE ORIGINAL -- [OFF MICROPHONER THE OTHER, AND I AM NOT GOING TO QUESTION ANYONE'S VOTE, I NEVER HAVE. SO DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE COUNSEL THE ROAD, OR DO WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING AT LEAST ON THIS SEGMENT TODAY, AND MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING IT UP, WEAY NOT BE HERE. WHO KNOWS? YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG PROCESS. IT WAS A VERY TEDIOUS PROCESS, WHEN ALL THOSE THAT VOLUNTEERED TO BE IN THAT WONDERFUL BOARD, AND THEY DID A YEOMAN'S JOB, THEY CONTINUED FOR MONTHS UNTIL THEY CAME BACK WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE ALL ACCEPTED. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS, SO I AM READY TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, JUST CLARIFICATION. FOR THE PUBLIC, AND PARTICULARLY, ITEM NUMBER 52 IS ABOUT PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT REMITTING TO OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR THE CRB BUT THERE'S A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. SHOULD WE CALL THAT ITEM NUMBER 56 OR HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS? >>ORLANDO GUDES: THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE HAVE CLARITY THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION WHEN YOU COMBINE THE TWO SUBJECT MATTERS BECAUSE ONE IS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD, POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENENTA. AND I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR, CERTAINLY FOR THE PUBLIC, THAT MY REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRB ISSUE WHATSOEVER. SO IT IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING PERHAPS. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WALK-ON ITEM, SHOULD WE CALL IT ITEM NUMBER 56 SO -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY WE ASK THE CLERK IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE? >> AT THIS TIME IT'S ON THE ADDENDUM, SO WE DON'T WANT TO A SIGN IT AS NUMBER 56. IT MAY NOT END UP BEING NUMBER 56. >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN SPLIT MAIN IN TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS. THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE SCHEDULE ANY PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON FEBRUARY 24th ON THE FEBRUARY 24th WORKSHOP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT, PLEASE? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS THE SECONDER SO ANY CHARTER REVIEW ISSUES WE ARE GOING TO DEFER UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th OF 2022, IS THAT THE SUBSEQUENT? >>BILL CARLSON: WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE BUT WE BUTT R THE BIG DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 24th 2022. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND PROBABLY TAKE THE WHOLE WORKSHOP. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOD ANY MY SECOND TO CON FORM TO THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON. SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT CONTINUE CHARTER RELATED ISSUES -- >>BILL CARLSON: I TOOK OUT 52. >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH THE CHANGE OF LANGUAGE, THIS NEW MOTION, YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST LEAVE ITEM NUMBER 572. YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE IT OR NOT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 52 WILL BE THE ACTUAL -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS IT STAS NOW AND THE ADDENDUM WE CAN TAKE IT UP THEN. >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PREPARED AND THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE FROM ME, JUST ON THAT. BUT THAT WAS -- I DON'T TAKE A POSITION, COUNCIL, WITH REGARD TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT TODAY, WHETHER YOU WANT WANT TO ADDRESS IT AT ALL, BUT I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO MS. GRIMES, AND INFORM HER THAT IT WAS MY INTENT TO ASK FOR A COULDN'T ANSWER ON THAT ITEM. RATHER THAN HAVE IT PREPARED FOR TODAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM CONFUSED BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE WALK-ON SHEET, ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO PROPOSED ORDINANCE. 52. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SEPARATE ITEM IN ITSELF. MRS. GRIMES. >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY. WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST MENTIONED, WHEN HE SAID THE ORDINANCE WAS NOT PREPARED, HE MEANT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. >>GINA GRIMES: THE OTHER ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDES ALL THE OTHER CHANGES TO THE CRB CODE, E ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR THAT ITEM AS WELL AS THE CHANGES TO THE CRB CODE. AND WE ARE ALL PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT MATTER. SO WHAT ITEM 52 IS, IS JUST REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO PREPARE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE CRB AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL. THAT WAS A SEPARATE MOTION BY COUNCIL. AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE OTHER MOTIONS WHEN WE GET TO THE LARGER SUBJECT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY. MR. DINGFELDER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE] IN REGARD TO THAT SINCE MR. SLBY HAS ASKED FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS ON THAT ISSUE AND SINCE THERE IS NO -- THERE IS NO PREPARATION OF THAT INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE IS TO DISCUSS TODAY. SO WHY DON'T WE, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE GRANT MR. SHELBY'S REQUEST TO BRING THAT BACK IN 90 DAYS? OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, DEFER IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th AND CONSOLIDATE IT WITH MR. CARLSON'S CHARTER DAY? IT'S NOW YOUR CHARTER DAY, MR. CARLSON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO TIGHTEN THIS UP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: AFTER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN CONSIDERATION OF MR. SHELBY'S REQUEST FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS, INSTEAD WILL GRANT HIS REQUEST AND DEFER ITEM 52 AS IS STATED ON THE AGENDA TO DEFER IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 24th, 2022 WORKSHOP. >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY CARLSON. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE THAT SIR. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING, WHICH IS WE CAN DISCUSS CHARTER AMENDMENT AT ANY GIVEN TIME. COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, AND I SUPPORT IT TO HAVE A DAY IN WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT PROSPECTIVE CHARTER AMENDMENT. WE CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME AND HAVE A DATE SET A SIDE FOR THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT WHY PRECLUDE THE DISCUSSION FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT DEAL DIRECTLY WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH TODAY? AGAIN I HAVE FALLEN ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT. I SEE IN A NEED TO PRECLUDE THAT. AND IF IT'S SOMETHNG THAT MOVES FORWARD WE CAN DEAL WITH IT IN FEBRUARY. I JUST THINK WE ARE CREATING ARBITRARY FICTIONS TODAY. MY FINANCE. THANK YOU, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I BELIEVE MAYBE IT'S BEST TO HOLD THIS ITEM TILL YOU TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE ENTIRELY AND THEN IF AT LEAST WITH REGARD TO THISYOU ARE DOING IT HOLISTICALLY. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. DER THAT MOTION AND PULL IT FOR NOW. IS THAT COUNCIL'S WILL? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE VOTE ON IT AND LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA. I AM GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR NOW AND I SEE A COUPLE OF NODS DEFER IT TILL LATER. WE'LL DEFER IT TILL LATER IN THE DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY. >> AND I THINK, MR. CARLSON, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO AGREE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM LAUGHING AT MYSELF. MAYBE I HEAR IT WRONG. WE HAVE SO MUCH PLASTIC HERE I FEEL LIKE LIQUID IN A BEVERAGE DRINK. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THERE'S SEVEN OF US HERE NOW. MAYBE AT LUNCH ONE OF US DON'T COME BACK FOR WHATEVER REASON AND WE ARE ONE SHORT OR WHATEVER. LISTEN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO VOTING BIOMASS IF I BELIEVE IN SOMETHING WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFERENT. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE BURDENSOME. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE CONTRARY TO ANYTHING. BUT THESE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES. IT MEANS LITTLE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN BUT IT MEANS THAT ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING TO COME INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEY HAVE TO APPLY AND BE VETTED FROM THE DAY THEY ARE BORN UNTIL THE DAY THEY APPLY AND THESE ARE THE DIFFICULT TIMES THAT I AM LOOKING AT, THAT WE NEED QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE BEST, THE BRIGHTEST AND THE SHARPEST SO THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS SETTLED AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THEIR ROLE, AND NOBODY GOES BEYONDHEIR ROLE. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM TROUBLE TROUBLED WITH PERSONALLY. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS PART OF THIS BUT IT CERTAINLY IS WHEN YYOU ARE A LIQUOR R REPLYING FOR A JOB YOU SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO, WHAT KIND OF LAWS, WHAT YOU EXPECT OF ME AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND THAT'S ALL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE JUST VOTED ON ANY CHARTER ISSUES TO GO TO FEBRUARY 2022. SO NOW BEFORE US WE HAVE STILL THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT RETAINING OF THE ATTORNEY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA. AND THE ORDINANCE, THAT SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PER MY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, I TOLD HER I WOULD BE DOING THIS REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAKE IT DONE HOLISTICALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEST PRACTICE, BUT I'M REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE, BUT IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE TODAY AND TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE AFTER HEARING THE DISCUSSION DISCUSSION, OR ADVANCING IT, AND THEN CHOOSING A DAY, COUNTY DO SO. BUT I AM JUST SAYING TO YOU WITH REGARD TO THE ITEM ITSELF, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION. SO MY SUGGESTION IS IF IT CAN BE RESOLVED TODAY WITH A DIFFERENT DATE, OR NO DATE, THEN THAT CAN HAPPEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY IF WE RESOLVE IT TODAY AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING IT UP IN THE FEBRUARY 24, 2022 MEETING, IT COMES BACK ON THE TABLE. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING, SIR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANY MOTION IN FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, COULD STAND. WHAT IF SEVEN PEOPLE WANTED TO BRING IT UP IN FEBRUARY? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK TOET THIS OUT OF THE WAY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK ANYWAY, I BELIEVE WE VOTE THIS UP OR DOWN NOW, TO MOVE ON, TO MOVE ON, AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE CHARTER COMES BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND IF THIS ITEM GOES ON THE BALLOT, WE AGREE IT GOES ON THE BALLOT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE SAYING STRIKE IT FOR TODAY AND DEAL WITH IT IN FEBRUARY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, THIS IT ULTIMATELY, I BELIEVE MADAM CLERK, IF I COULD JUST INQUIRE OF THE CLERK, HAS THERE BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND ADDENDUM? >> NO, NOT YET. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO APPROVE THE AGENDA OTHER WAYS? >> [OFF MICROPHONE] >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THEN TAN A SEPARATE VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE DO THAT BEFORE WE DEALT WITH 52 -- IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. >> WHAT'S THE PROPER PROCEDURE? CAN WE MOVE THIS ITEM NOW, STRIKE IT UP OH ARE DOWN AND THEN G ON WITH THE BUSINESS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, YOU CAN. BUT I AM ALSO WANTING TO REMIND THAT YOU THIS RIGHT NOW IS SET FOR STAFF REPORTS AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF REPORTS UNLESS COUNCIL ADVANCES THEIR MEETING BEFORE LUNCH TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT UP, IT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN UP LATER ON TODAY. YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM STAFF ABOUT IT. YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT IT. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA, THAT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. THAT'S TRUE. OR STAFF, AS MS. GRIMESUST SAID. THAT'S TRUE. SO MY -- GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THIS HAS NO BEARING ON THE MERITS OF THE ISSUE. WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT UP AND PROCEED WITH THE MEETING? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I WAS OKAY WITH THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: IN MY OPINION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CONTINUE THAT TO JULY 29th. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JULY 29th, NUMBER 53. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER 54. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE 54 PURSUANT TO LOCAL REQUEST. BUT IT WAS MR. CITRO'S MOTION. I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR PARADE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE RORT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF I MAY JUST TAKE TWO SECOND. MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL STAFF FOR DOING THIS. I VISITED THE LOVELY PEOPLE AT THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND EVEN BEFORE ANYTHING TRANSPORTATION BUILDING, ANYTHING, A COUPLE OF THE WONDERFUL RESIDENS BROUGHT THIS UP. I DON'T LIKE TO BEAT DEAD HORSES. I LIKE TO BURY THEM. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL PUT AN END TO WARD STREET. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ZELMAN. THANK YOU FOR THE LEGAL STAFF. THANK YOUERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? CITRO, SECOND BY MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 55. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 55, CHIEF BENNETT, THAT'S A STAFF REPORT LATER ON, IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? HE INDICATES THAT IS THE CASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 1. WAS REMOVED FROM CITY ATTORNEY. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. MOTION BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO CEREMONIALS TODAY. WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS, MS. SULING? >> SIX. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SIX. >> MY NAM IS DAVID SIMINOF, A HOMEOWNER, A TAXPAYER, TO TALK ABOUT THE CRB. I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE RESCHEDULED AND TALKED ABOUT LATER SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF GENERAL COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER. ACLU HAS NEARLY 5,000 PAID MEMBERS AND THE STATE ORGANIZATION HAS OVER 180,000 PAID MEMBERS. THESE NUMBERS SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE DETERMINED ALL PEOPLE ARE TREATED FAIRLY UNDER THE LAW, CAN BE HEARD AND EOY EQUALITY. THESE ARE PEOPLE, THESE VOLUNTEERS AND PAID MEMBERS, ARE COMMITTED, HAVE COMMITTED THEIR TIME, THEIR ATTENTION AND THEIR POLITICAL WILL TO PROMOTE THESE IDEALS. THESE PEOPLE ARE INFORMED, THEY ARE POLITICALLY ACTIVE AND THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE AND UNTIL THE TIME WHEN THIS IS SETTLED. NOW, THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT CREATING A FULLY REALIZED CRB HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME BUT REALLY THE GOAL HAS NOT CHANGED. THE CITIZEN REVIEW -- CRB NEEDS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY, THE POWER AND THE TOOLS TO BE TRULY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THE FULL COMMUNITY. NOTHING ABOUT GETTING THE FULLY REALIZED CRB WILL CHANGE OR IMPAIR THE ABILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO ITS JOB. NOW, WE CAN STATED THIS WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING NEW OR REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THIS. THINGS LIKE ADDING INDEPENDENT LAWYER, GIVING SUBPOENA POWER HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND NOWHERE HAS IT HAD A NEGATIVE EFFECT. SO IN CONCLUSION WE ALL KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR TODAY WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE OR THE FORM IT'S GOI TO TAKE, BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP, KEEP THIS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND DO NOT STOP UNTIL WE HAVE A FULLY REALIZED CRB. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME SIR. >> MARK WOLFSON. GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A RESIDENT OF BEACH PARK, AND PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF MY BRIEF COMMENS WILL BE MOOTED OUT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I HEARD PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER 54 WHICH WAS THE CLOSING OF WARD STREET, BUT I WANT THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT MYSELF, AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COALITION REPRESENTING PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BEACH PARK, ARE CONCERNED THAT WITH RESPECT TO A REPORT, THAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE COUNCIL BY ITS COUNSEL -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXCUSE ME. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. SHELBY, I BELIEVE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN HERE MAY BE MAKING STATEMENTS IN WHICH WE IN THE FUTURE MIGHT HAVE SOME SORT OF LITIGATION POSSIBLE. TH GENTLEMAN ON COMMENTS THAT HE MAY BE MAKING AT THIS TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IF I CAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN CITRO. YOUR RULE, RULE 4-J FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, IS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION -- COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS AT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE THE CITY IS OR IS LIKELY TO BE A PARTY IN LITIGATION WITHOUT THE CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL, AND YOU WERE ADVISED IN THE MEMO THAT YOD RELATIVE TO THE FACT THAT THE OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RELATIVE TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD DISCUSS THIS, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, CERTAINLY THIS IS THE PUBLIC'S OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, IN WHAT FORM OR FASHION IT WILL OR COULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IN TIME I CANNOT SAY, BUT I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THE MEMO -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MRS. ZELMAN -- BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE MEMO IS TO APPRAISE COUNCIL OF THE NECESSITY IN ITS OPINION TO AVOID COMMENTING ON WHAT YOU MIGHT HEAR AT THE PUBLIC MIGHT WISH TO SPEAK AND COMMUNICATE TO YOU AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WARD, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ON THE UP AND UP AND VERY LEGAL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. WARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO, FOR THE QUESTION. >> SO CAN I CONTINUE, PLEASE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REPORT GIVEN TO COUNCIL DID NOT ADDRESS A POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT YOU MAY BEONCEEDBOUT WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE ROAD THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY VACATED IN 2007 HAD IN FACT REVERTED TO THE CITY UNDER STATE LAW, AND THE QUESTION SIMPLY WANT TO PROCESS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL, ET CETERA, EVALUATED THAT LEGAL PROPOSITION. IF THEY DID AND THEY CAME TO A CONCLUSION, SO BE IT. THE CONCERN IS FROM OUR GROUP IS THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY DID ITS DUTY TO EVALUATE THAT POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT AS A MATTER OF LAW, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT PREVIOUSLY WAS VACATED IN 2007, THIS PART OF WARD STREET, IT WASN'T UNTIL FEBRUARY 2021 WHEN BARRIERS WENT UP TO BLOCK YET ANOTHER ACCESS TO RESIDENTS OF BEACH PARK TO KENNEDY AND PROVIDE BETTER MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TO ITS RESIDENTS. SO THE CONCERN IS TO RAISE THE ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AN USUAL YOU WAS CONSIDERED. AND THAT'S W I AM HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS GROUP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. JAMES -- I READ ATTORNEY GRIMES' MAY 16, 21 MEMO. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT I'M UNHAPPY ABOUT. THERE ARE THINGS MISSING FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE. IF I HAVE A CIVIL CASE, IF I AM SUING SOMEBODY FOR A DOLLAR, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD GET. I WOULD GET TO HAVE MY OWN ATTORNEY WHO ANSWERS JUST TO ME, AND I WOULD ALSO GET T ISSUE SUBPOENAS TO WITNESSES FOR COPIES OF DOCUMENTS AND RECORDINGS AND TESTIMONY THAT SAYS IT'S MY CASE AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE MY CASE IS SO IMPORTANT% THE REASON FOR THAT IS SO THAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN KNOW THAT THEY LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE THERE ARE MECHANISMS TO RESOLVE DIFFICULTIES. WHEN YOU CAN'T JUST GO AROUND COMMITTING TORTS AND THERE'S NO REMEDIES FOR THAT. THE EXISTENCE OF A SYSTEM THAT HAS MEANINGFUL REMEDIES MAKE SOCIETY RUN SMOOTHLY SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR SOCIETY. ISN'T IT JUST AS IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THE TREMENDOUS POWER THAT IS DELEGATED BY THE CITY TO THE POLICE OFFICERS IS NOT BEING ABUSED? THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE, THE LIKES OF WHICH J.EDGAR HOOVER ONLY DREAMED, THAT THINGS THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IMAGINED EVEN 20 YEARS ARE POSSIBLE TODAY. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE CLUBS AND TASERS AND NONLETHAL ROUNDS AND LETHAL ROUNDS ON PEOPLE, THAT IS TREMENDOUS POWER THAT YOU DON'T JUST GIVE TO SOMEONE WITHOUT REGULATING IT. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE POLICE, BUT YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN TO SOMEONE WHO SAYS WE DON'T NEED THE SEC BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE STOCK BROKERS AND WE DON'T NEED TO REGULATE THE MEDICAL PROFESSION, ANYONE WHO THINKS WE SHOULD JUST DOESN'T LIKE DOCTORS. THOSE ARE A CHILD'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEED FOR REGULATION. YOU DON'T GIVE SOMEBODY TREMENDOUS POWER WITHOUT KEEPING AN EYE ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH IT. AND IT HAS TO BE MEANINGFUL. SO IF THERE'S A CAR ACCIDENT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, AND I CATCH IT ON MY DOORBELL CAMERA, I HAVE TO GIVE THAT TO THEM. I CAN'T WITHHOLD IT BECAUSE I LIKE THE PERSON WHO CAUSED THE ACCIDENT MORE THAN I LIKE THE PERSON WHO WAS INJURED. BUT IF INSTEAD OF A CAR ACCIDENT IT WAS A POLICE OFFICER SHOOTING SOMEONE, AND THE PUBLIC WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT VIDEO TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOT WAS JUSTIFIED OR NOT, IT SHOULDN'T DEPEND ON THE DUMB LUCK OF WHETHER THAT HAPPENS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE OR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE OF A MISGUIDED PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT WITHHOLDING THAT FROM THE CITY IS HELPING AND SUPPORTING THE POLICE. SUBPOENA POWER IS NECESSARY, AND IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE, AND IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANT PUT IT THERE, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AT LEAST LET THE VOTERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT THERE. SO AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU STARTED MIAMI-DADE COUNTY AND DAYTONA BEACH STARTED REVISING THEIR ORDINANCES, THEY ARE DONE NOW. BROWARD COUNTY AND GAINESVILLE DIDN'T HAVE A CRB. THEY CREATED ONE. THEY STARTED AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU DID. THEY ARE DONE NOW. TAMPA IS STILL WORKING ON IT. AND IT'S BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A YEAR NOW AND IT'S ABOUT MOVING TO -- [BELL SOUNDS] PLEASE FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED. THANK YOU. >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THE NASTY, HATEFUL, DECEITFUL AND WICKED. WHO AM I TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE. LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN PALESTINE. AND LOOK AT THE MAN YOU HAD COME UP AND GIVE VERIFICATION YOU SAY DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED DOZENS. WE KNOW BETTER. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER WE SEE BOMBING RESIDENTS AND THEIR BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY CLAIM SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, NOBODY BOMBED HITLER'S HOME, UNDERSTAND? NOBODY BOMBED HITLER'S RESIDENCE. NOBODY BOMBED AND SUPPOSEDLY THAT'S THE PEOPLE WHO DO THEM WRONG IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORY, SHOUT OUT TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. OKAY? AND RIGHT HERE, WOKE UP, 4:00 THIS MORNING, REALLY DIDN'T WAKE UP, LOOK AT THE PHONE NEWS AND YOU SEE THEY EXECUTED AN AFRICAN MAN IN TEXAS. THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY EXECUTED AN AFRICAN MAN IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THEY RELEASED A VIDEO ON THAT. AND THEY EXECUTE AFRICAN PEOPLE ALL OVER, EXECUTED AFRICAN MAN WHO DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR A BOND HEARING, A MENTALLY ILL MAN WHO DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR A BOND HEARING, THEY EXECUTED HIM IN HIS PRISON CELL, AND EXECUTING MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN ALL OVER THIS WORLD AND SPECIFICALLY AWFUL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND THEY PUT IT FOR US AFRICAN PEOPLE TO SEE HOW YOU LYNCH AFRICAN PEOPLE. THEY DON'T PUT TO THE SAY WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS, AND IT'S JUST WRONG AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT. THEY PUT IT TO KEEP THEIR SCARE TACTIC ON US. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT IS, IS THAT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE AND OUR SO-CALLED LEADERS HAVE BEEN BEGGING WHITE FOLKS FOR THE WRONG THING, WE HAVE BEEN BEGGING THEM FOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, HOUSING, BEG EM T GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL AND INTEGRAION AND ALL THAT. BUT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO START STANDING UP FOR OUR REPARATIONS, GO TO 621 TRILLION FOR 621 YEARS OF SUFFERING AND OPPRESSION. AND WE HAVE TO START ORGANIZING. WE HAVE TO START BEGGING IF WE WANT TO BEG, OUR LEADERS HAVE R, ORLANDO GUDES AND OTHERS HAVE TO KNOW WE HAVE TO START BEGGING FOR NUCLEAR WEAPON. WE AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED A BLACK PNEUMONIA LAR WEAPON IN OUR HANDS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET EXPECTED, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET RECOGNIZED AND WITH A BLACK NUCLEAR WEAPON, NOT ONE AFRICAN IN THE WORLD IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD BE HARASSED, WOULD BE INTIMIDATED FOR A BICYCLE STOP, NOT ONE AFRICAN CHILD WOULD BE EXPELLED OR SUSPENDED FROM ANY SCHOOL, ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD, PERIOD. NOT ONE AFRICAN FAMILY HAS BEEN ALREADY HASSED BY THE POLICE TELLING THEY SMELL SMOKE IN OUR AUTOMOBILE AND ALL THE OTHER NONSENSE. WE AFRICAN PEOPLE, IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE A BLACK NUCLEAR WEAPON, A BLACK BOMB IN OUR HANDS, IN OUR HANDS AND OUR CONTROL. THAT WHA W NEED. WE DON'T NEED TO BEG FOR THIS OTHER NONSENSE THAT YOU ARE BEGGING FOR. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S SO INSULTING COMING HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY, AND TALK TO YOUR SECURITY. STOP FOLLOWING ME LIKE I'M A CHILD OR I'M A CRIMINAL. [BELL SOUNDS] TALK TO YOUR SECURITY AND TELL THEM TO STOP FOLLOWING ME LIKE I'M A CHILD OR I'M A CRIMINAL. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN. DARLA PORTMAN OF THE TAMPA PBA. I'M ALSO A CITY OF TAMPA POLICE OFFICER AND I AM GOING ON MY 19th YEAR. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 52 AND THE CRB AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AWAREF IT. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR. THE ACLU KEEPS MOVING THE GOAL POST, KEEPS WANTING TO ADD EXTRA THINGS TO IT. YOU JUST HAD TWO ATTORNEYS COME AND TELL YOU THERE NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENCY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A BOARD THAT LOOKS OVER POLICE OFFICERS. WELL, WE HAVE GOT THE CRIMINAL STANDARDS AND TRAINING COMMISSION. WE HAVE FDLE. SAO. ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. IA. AND WE STILL HAVE THE CRB. AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT HAVING THE VIDEOS AND THE MEDIA PUT OUT WHEN AN OFFICER GETS IN THE SHOOTING AND THEY WANTOEE IT RIGHT AWAY, I THINK CHIEF DUGAN HAS DONE THAT. EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS AFTER THE SHOOTING HE SENT OT A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. WE COULDN'T BE MORE TRANSPARENT OR WE WOULD BE INVISIBLE. THAT HE IS HOW TRANSPARENT WE ARE. GINA, URSULA, CHIEF BENNETT AND ALSO THE MAYOR HAVE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD IN THE ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS PROPOSITION, THIS PROPOSAL PERFECT. AND IT HAS. I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF IT BUT WE HAVE COME TO A COMPROMISE. THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATION IS. WE HAVE COMPROMISED AND LET'S GIVE THIS A CHANCE TO WORK. EVERYBODY NTSO KP ADDING MORE AND MORE TO IT Y.DON'T WE GIVE THIS ACTUAL PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE NOW A CHANCE? IF IT NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED OR REVAMPED LATER, WE CAN BRING IT BACK NO COUPLE OF YEARS BUT GIVE AT CHANCE TO WORK. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW WE TALK ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD, THE ITEM THAT WAS PROPOSED AND I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE FIVE FIVE AND ONE, BUT THAT IS AN EQUAL UNBIASED BOARD. WHEN YOU MAKE IT 7-4 NOW YOU ARE LEANING TO A BIASED BOARD AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS ANDIAS TRAINING. WE NEED OUR BOARDS TO BE UNBIASED AND MAKING THEM 5, 5 AND 1. THIS IS THE LAST THING I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YOU GUYS HAVE CITY APPOINTED ATTORNEY, MARTY SHELBY FOR YOU. HE'S DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB. YOU LIKE HIM SO MUCH THAT HE GOT A VERY GENEROUS RAISE THAT YOU PROPOSED FOR HIM. HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE CRB ATTORNEY THAT IS SUPLIED BY THE CITY? IF THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, MARTY SHELBY SPEAKS FOUR. HE ADVISES YOU. BUT HE WORKS FOR THE CITY. HE GETS A CITY OF TAMPA MAY PAY R PAYCHECK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CRB. LET'S END THIS DEBATE TODAY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCOMEN, DANIELLE ALVAREZ, TAMPA PBA GENERAL COUNSEL. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FORHEOURAGE TO STAND UP FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE OFFICER, BECAUSE WHAT HE SAYS AND WHAT HIS MO VATIONS ARE EVEN THOUGH HE AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN ARE SPOT ON. WHEN I WAS A LIEUTENANT IN THE ARMY I WAS TOLD THAT IN DECISIVENESS IS THE CANCER OF LEADERSHIP, AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE CONSTANT KICKING OF A BALL WHICH LEADS TO IN DECISIVENESS, WHICH IS IN DECISIVENESS AND HAS US IN THE POSITION THAT WE ARE TODAY. WE KNOW, AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE ULTRA PROUD OF WHA YOUE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SHOULD BE TAKING UP AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE UP AS IS TODAY, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES AS IT GOES. WOULD KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE IT. YOU ARE THE MODEL OF TRANSPARENCY, YOU ARE THE MODEL OF OVERSIGHT AND YOU ARE SEEKING POLICE REFORM? WELL, GUESS WHAT, YOU GOT IT. EVERY ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TODAY AND HERE HAS COMPROMISE. WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT COMING INTO JANUARY, AND BY ALL, I MEAN EVERYONE, BUT THE ACLU. WHAT YOU SAW TODAY WAS A SHAKEDOWN OF TIP CAM PURPOSES, AND I SAY THAT RELUCTANTLY BECAUSE I ADMIRE THE ACLU. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL RIGHTS. BUT WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY IS EACH ONE OF YOU IS GETTING PRESSURED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS GIVEN NOTHING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN EVERYTHING, AND BY PEOPLE, I MEAN QUITE COMPLICITLY THE CITY, THE MAYOR, THE POLICE, THE UNION THAT REPRESENTS THOSE POLICE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? EVEN THE CRB MEMBERS THEMSELVES. THEY ARE READY TO GET TO WORK. YOU WANTED IT. YOU GOT IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS REALLY QUICKLY. YOUR INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY. AND DARLA HIT IT RIGHT ON THE MONEY. MARTY SHELBY IS A PHENOMENAL ATTORNEY BUT NOBODY QUESTIONS HIS INDEPENDENCE AND HIS ETHICS OR HIS ABILITY TO COUNSEL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND GIVE YOU THE BEST ADVICE POSSIBLE. HIS PAYCHECK IS THE CITY OF TAMPA. GINA HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB BIFURCATING ONE OF HERP ATTORNEYS AND EH SIGNING THAT PERSON TO THE CRB. NO ONE WILL EVER QUESTION THAT PERSON AND SAY, ARE YOU INDEPENDENT ENOUGH TO GIVE LEGAL COUNSEL? BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S A FLORIDA BAR COMPLAINT. AND I'M SURE MY LEGAL LICENSE IS THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE'S AND THEY TOLD ME THAT WHOEVER PAYS ME ISN'T WHO MY CLIENT IS. WHO MY CLIENT IS WHO I OWE THE DUTY. ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE GOT TO LEARN TALK ABOUT COMPOSURE OF THE BOARD. WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT EQUALITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. WE ARE LOOKING FOR A DIVERSITY OF EQUALITY. THE MAYOR GETS HER VOICE. THE COUNCIL GETS THEIR VOICE. AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE PUT? WE PUT THE NAACP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS, THEY GET ONEF EIR VOICE. WE ARE ALL ON BOARD FOR THIS. [BELL SOUNDS] WHAT THE WE ARE ASKING FOR IS DECISIVENESS AND YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LAST SPEAKER? >> NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. WE GO TO THE CALLS. >>THE CLERK: THE FIRST SPEAKER IS JENNIFER TOLLHORST OF THE JENO PARTICIPATE. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, JEAN STROHMEYER. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HELLO EVERYBODY. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD MORNING. SO YOU GUYS ALL PROBABLY RECEIVED, I SENT MY WEEKLY UPDATE ON MY OPINIONS, NOT THAT MY OPINIONS MATTER, BUT I DO BELIEVE WHEN I SEND THOSE THAT IT REPRESENTS A BETTER PORTION, AND I SUBMIT QUESTIONS TO YOU ALL THAT I HOPE YOU ALL DO ANSWER. I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE ANSWERED ME WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. ANYWAY, TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS, I HAVE SCHEDULED, THERE WAS THE ONE WHICH IS BEING MOVED MOVED. THERE WERE A COUPLE ON THE BROWN FIELDS. BROWNFIELD IS NOW THE NEW BUZZ WORD FOR LET'S BUILD MORE APARTMENTS SOMEWHERE, AND WE'LL PAY TO CLEAN IT UP. THESE GUYS SAY THEY ARE GOING TO PAY TO CLEAN IT UP BUT MOST PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REALIZE THEY GET PAID BACK FOR DOING IT SO IT'S TO BUILD MORE APARTMENTS. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY USE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE. ITEM NUMBER 42, TALKING ABOUT LOCAL SALES TAX. AND NOW WE ARE GOING BACK INTO ANOTHER WAY TO BRING IN A SALES TAX. I TOTALLY AM AGAINST THAT AND I THINK A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE AND WE ARE GOING TO BE NAY SAYING ON THAT ONE. I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS CONSTANTLY AND LOOK AT ANY GOVERNMENT SPENDING OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW BASED ON EVERYBODY ELSE WAS HAD BEEN SHUT DOWN, SMALL BUSINESSES NEED TO REBOUND AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE THE PEOPLE JUST HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GAIN FOR OURSELVES. ITEM NUMBER 53, GENDER AND RACIAL EQUALITY, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED RESPECTFULLY, WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY AT ALL TIMES, AND TO SEPARATE PEOPLE BY GENDER, RACE, BY WHATEVER, THEY SHOULDN'T BE SEPARATED. I WENT TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY STARTED BUSING PEOPLE. MY DAD CALLED IT KIDNAPPING. AND NOW ERYBO IS BEING LABELED, SO I DON'T THINK LABELS ARE A GOOD -- WE SHOULD ALL BE LABELED FELLOW CITIZENS OF TAMPA, OR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OR AMERICANS, BUT NOT BY THE SMALL SUBGROUPS TO ACTUALLY DIVIDE PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY IT'S BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY GOD INTENDED THINGS TO BE. ITEM NUMBER 3, GANDY BOULEVARD, THE LEASE IS OVER, THERE'S A BUNCH OF MONEY THERE. THAT MONEY SHOULD BEOING TO SOUTH OF GANDY. THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY -- IT WAS THE REVENUE CAME IN, THAT'S WHERE THE REVENUE SHOULD GO. WE HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED SINCE 2006, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE THAT IS GONE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY IS. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. I AM GOING TO, ALSO, TODAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL COMMENTS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S GET BACK TO THE AGENDA. IT NUMBER 1 HAS ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH EARLIER. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 2 THROUGH 9. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, WILL YOU HANDLE PUBLIC RECREATION, CULTURAL COMMISSION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS 10 THROUGH 14. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, NUMBER 16 AND 17, DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE VOTE ON THEM? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE ITEMS 17 THROUGH 22. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF CROPNE] ROLL CALL VOTE, FLEECE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO ITEM 15 AND 16, I KNOW THAT WE ALL LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL ON THESE TYPES OF LARGE CONTRIBUTION PROJECTS, $567,000. AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE WMBE PARTICIPATION. I BELIEVE ON ITEM 150, IT CAME OUT TO ZERO PERCENT. AND ITEM 16 CAME OUT TO 2.57%. SO ANYWAY, THIS ONE FOR WHATEVER SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO MOVE 15 AND 16, YOU ARE WELCOME TO. BE OR WE COULD DEFER IT FOR TWO WEEKS TO SEE IF THE STAFF OR BIDDERS COULD DO BETTER BUT I AM NOT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THEM. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY PLEASE. MRS. GRIMES, 15 AND 16, HOW TIME SENSITIVE ARE THESE? >>GINA GRIMES: I AM GOING TO DEFER TO MR. BENNETT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY. CHIEF, WHAT'S THE TIME SENSITIVITY ON THESE TWO ITEMS? >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF. IN RELATION TO ITEMS 15 AND 16, WE SHOULD HAVE THE SPECIFIC ADMINISTRATORS ONLINE TO ADDRESS THE TIME SENSITIVITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S CONVERSATION. WE KNOW NEXT WORKSHOP WHICH IS THE END OF THIS MONTH, THERE WILL BE A SIX-MONTH DBO REVIEW YEAR TO DATE, WHICH WILL COVER ALL OF THE COMPETITIVE EXPENSE FOR TH CITY, ALSO COVER THE CONTRACTING AND ALL THE PROGRESS THAT MS. WYNN AND HER OFFICE IN THE EBO OFFICE HAVE DONE SINCE THE WORKSHOP IN JANUARY. SO THAT WILL GIVE AN ENTIRE SCORECARD FOR THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD BEYOND STARTING WITH FY 21. AND I DO APPRECIATE MR. DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS, BOTH TODAY AND QUITE OFTEN IN THE AGENDA REVIEW PROCESS ABOUT THE JOURNEY THAT EVERYBODY IS ON AND THE INCREASE. SO I WOULD ASK TO SEE IF ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS FOR THESE TWO ITEMS IS ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THEIR TIMELINESS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BAIRD POPPED UP. >>ORLAND GUDES: BEFORE WE GET TO MR. BAIRD, LET ME ASK A QUESTION OF YOU. I GOT POSED THIS QUESTION BY SOME COMMUNITY LEADERS AS WELL. WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THESE CONTRACTS? WHEN WE BREAK THESE CONTRACTS DOWN, ARE WE BREAK IT DOWN, ARE WE SAYING THIS MUCH IS GOING FOR DRYWALL PERSON, CONCRETE PERSON, ARE WE BREAKING IT DOWN TO SEE HOW WE ARE GETTING THOSE OTHERS AND MAYBE -- IFOU HE GOT THIS BROKEN DOWN IT SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN TO THE CATEGORY OF DRYWALL, IF IT'S CONCRETE, PAINTING, WHATEVER WITH THOSE NUMBERS. I WOULD LIKE MR. BAIRD TO ANSWER THAT. I THINK IT'S KEY TO THIS PROCESS. >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN I WILL SAY IN GENERAL BEFORE OUR DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR BRAD BAIRD SPEAKS, WE HAVE CHARGED STAFF WITH UNBUNDLING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE WORKSHOP, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE ARE BALANCING TIME, QUALITY, CAPACITY, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN CITY CONTRACTS, BOTH FOR PROCUREMENT AND FOR ACTUAL CONTRACTING. SO STAFF HAS BEEN DOING WHAT I THINK IS A YEOMAN'S EFFORT TO UNBUNDLE THINGS. WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO THAT GRANULARITY, AND MR. SPEARMAN HOPEFULLY WILL SPEAK TO THIS AT THE WORKSHOP, SOME OF THOSE JOB ORDER CONTRACTS, THAT'S THE PURE DESIGN OF THAT, IS TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO THOSE SMALL JOBS TO ALLOW MORE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE. AND I DO COMMEND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I DO COMMEND STAFF FOR LOOKING AT THESE IM BY ITEM AND THE GRANULARITY BECAUSE IF YOU WIN THE ITEM YOU ACTUALLY PREVAIL IN THE ENTIRE EBO SYSTEM. AND SO LOOKING AT THEM WITHOUT GRAN YOU LAYER LATER IN EACH ITEM IN THE BACKUP. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I KNOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THIS AND WE AUDIT IT AS WELL, THAT EVERY CONTRACT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN DONE IN A LEGAL, ETHICAL AND COMPLIANT WAY TO MOVE THAT ITEM FORWARD. SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. BAIRD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE MORE THING CHIEF. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN A REAL CHAMPION TO TRY TO MOVEHIS ING BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM HEARING THAT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT MANAGERS THERE ARE KIND OF LEERY OF JOC SO I AM HOPING WE CAN START GET THEM TO USING JOC AND THEN BE BOLSTERED IF THEY UNDERSTAND IT IS AN AVENUE TO GET TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO. >>JOHN BENNETT: AND THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, CHAIRMAN. ANOTHER THING, TOO, NOT ONLY JOC BUT CONTRACT MANAGEMENT, WHEN YOU UNBUNDLE THINGS YOU ARE MANAGING MORE CONTRACTS. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE EMPOWERED TO MANAGE THOSE CONTRACTS, AND GET EVERYBODY ENGAGED THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. MR. BAIRD. >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TWO ITEMS FROM A PROJECT STANDPOINT BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO MR. HART TO ADDRESS THE EBO ISSUES. THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER 150, IS DAVIS ISLAND BRIDGE REPAIR AND REHABILITATION. PROJECT, WHERE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY A CHANGE ORDER TO REPAIR SPAULDING AND COATING. WHEN WE SANDBLASTED THE BRIDGE IN FEBRUARY WAS THAT ADDITIONAL CORROSION HAD ACCELERATED BEYOND THE ORIGINAL ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE THREE YEARS AGO. SO ENGINEER OF RECORD IN MARCH RECOMMENDED THAT WE PERFORM THESE REPAIRS. A WORST CASE SCENARIO. IF WE DON'T, THE BRIDGE WOULD NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN. AT LEAST DURING NIGHTTIME WORK. SO VERY TIME SENSITIVE. VERY IMPORTANT WORK. AND THIS WORK IS ONGOING. AS WE SPEAK. THE SECOND ITEM, ITEM 16, IS HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM ORIGINATION WHERE WE ARE TAETIN IF YOU WILL THE NORTH EMBANKMENT OF THE DAM WITH SOME GROUNDING PIERS THAT WILL REINFORCE THIS EMBANKMENT WHICH WAS BUILT 120 YEARS AGO. WE DID DO SOME WORK ALREADY, BUT REMOVAL OF TREES IN THAT EMBANKMENT, AND THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT WORK TO HARDEN THAT DAM AND REDUCE THE RISK OF FAILURE. SO I WOULD URGE CITY COUNCIL THAT BH O THESE ITEMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GREGORY HART. THANK YOU. >>GREGORY HART: GOOD MORNING, GREGORY HART, EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. LET ME RESPOND TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE CHAIRMAN GUDES JUST ASKED. WE DO ASSESS THE SCOPE OF PROJECTS AS A TASK AND DETERMINE WHAT IS SUBCONTRACTABLE, AND WHO IS CERTIFIED, READY WILLING AND ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE TASKS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS SUBCONTRACTABLE. SO YES, SIR, WE DO DO THAT. LET ME ALSO SAY, IN REGARD TO THESE TWO PROJECTS, THAT THOSE MUST BE RETAINED ON THE BASIS OF WORK THAT CORRESPOND WITH READY, WILLING AND ABLE CERTIFIED. WITH REGARD TO 15, NOW THIS PROJECT HAD ONE SUBCONTRACTABLE TASK THAT ALIGNED WITH THE SPECIALIZED SCOPE TO D.O.T. GUIDELINES, AND THE BIDDER DID A YEOMAN'S JOB WITH THAT ONE TASK THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS SUBCONTRACTABLE. THEY REACHED OUT, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT HAS HAPPENED TO BE STEELE COLTING. AND WHAT WE DO IN EBO IS WE ARE FAIRLY LIBERAL WHEN WE GIVE THE CONTRACTORS A CONTACT LIST SO WE PROVIDED THIS BIDDER, I THINK THERE WERE ONLY TWO BIDDERS ON THIS, BECAUSE OF THE SPECIALIZED Y D.O.T. BUT ANYWAY, WE GAVE THE CONTRACTOR A LIST OF KNOWING THAT THEY WERE SPECIALIZE, KNOWING THAT THE SCOPE WAS SPECIALIZED BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT ANY OF THESE PAINTERS, WE GIVE THEM A LIST, MAYBE 15. AND WE WERE HOPING THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE PAINTERS DID HAVE THE REQUISITE LICENSING TO DO STEELE COATING. SO WE COULD GIVE THEM AN PORTITY. SO, IN FACT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. AND AS A RESULT, IT YIELDED NO NBE, SBE PARTICIPATION. SO IN THAT RESPECT WE DID ALL THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS A SPECIALIZED AREA OF WORK. THE CONTRACTOR WITH OUR SUPPORT DID CONTACT ANY AND ALL PAINTERS TO SEE IF THEY HAD THE REQUISITE LICENSING TO DO SO. SO THAT WAS THE RESULT OF 15 WITH THE BRIDGE REPAIR. INEGAR TO 16, SIMILARLY, THIS PROJECT HAD THREE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, SUBCONTRACT CATEGORIES OF WORK, AND WE SET A GOAL ON THAT BASED UPON THOSE THREE SUBCONTRACTABLE AREAS, AND FIRMS THAT ARE READY WILLING AND ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT, SO THE GOAL THAT WAS SET WAS 2%. WELL, THE CONTRACTOR WHO DID HIS OUTREACH CONTACTED THOSE FOLKS WHO WE SAID AT A MINIMUM THEY NEEDED TOONTA AND NETTED A DBE FIRM THAT WOULD ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE EARTH WORK IN OTHER AREAS, AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $12,000, 2.1 OR 2.2% OF THE GOAL SO IT ACTUALLY MET AND EXCEEDED THE GOAL SET BASED UPON THE READY, WILLING AND ABLE METHODOLOGY THAT WE MUST USE. SO WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SIT BACK AND JUST ARBITRARILY SET GOALS AND WHILE 10 OR 15% CERTAINLY SOUND GOOD, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ARBITRARY BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF WORK JUST WASN'T THERE. 2% GOAL SET, AND WE YIELDED 2.1, 2.2% WITH A DBE FIRM. AS CHIEF BENNETT MADE MENTION, WE ARE TRACKING, IF YOU WILL, COUNCIL'S AGENDAS THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF THE LONG HAU. THEY ARE GOING TO BE AGENDA ITEMS, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE CONTRACTS THAT ARE GOING TO YIELD TREMENDOUS PARTICIPATION BASED ON THE SCOPE AND THE FIRMS THAT WE HAVE CERTIFIED, AND THERE WILL BE OTHERS WHERE OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE NOT EXISTING IN THE SCOPE, BUT AT THE END WE WANT TO AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU, COUNCIL, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE TO YIELD THE MOST PARTICIPATIOND POSSIBLE BASED ON WHAT THE CITY HAS PROCURED THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR. AND IF I MAY SHARE MY SCREEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU HOW WE ARE FARING THUS FAR. IS THAT BEING PROCTED? , I CAN'T SEE IT, THOUGH. >> CLERK'S OFFICE, IS THAT ON THE SCREEN? >> IT IS ON THE SCREEN. >> IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SHOW YOU BUT THIS IS TODAY'S COUNCIL AGENDA. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR LEFT THERE'S PROBABLY 15 TO 16 AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE CONTRACTS THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING TODAY. OF THOSE 15 OR 16, ABOUT FIVE OF THOSE HAD SCOPES OF WOR WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO OVERLAY ONE OF OUR EBO INCLUSIVE INITIATIVES, GOALS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BASED ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY BASED ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, THE END RESULT IS THAT WE HAVE GENERATED 16.7% EBO PARTICIPATION. AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT MATRIX, YOU WILL SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA THE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT PARTICIPATION BY ETHNICITY AND SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS. NOW THAT'S JUST TODAY'S AGENDA. LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE YOU AS COUNCIL AND WE AS ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THIS IS OUR SCORECARD AS I REFER TO IT OFTEN. NOW, WE ARE IN OUR THIRD QUARTER. AND OF ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR, THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE TRENDING. WE ARE ALMOST, I GUESS, TWO THIRD THE WAY THROUGH OUR THIRD QUARTER, AND TO DATE WE ARE YIELDING 17% EBO PARTICIPATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR DB PARTICIPATION IS LEADING THE PACK WITH 7.5% TO DATE. THIS IS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO YOUR COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY, ABEs AT .4, OUR NB Es DOING FAIRLY WELL, TRE AREN'T MANY CERTIFIED IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN 5.7%. SO WE ARE WINNING THE GAME, IF YOU WILL, THUS FAR BUT WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE THIRD QUARTER. I HAVE THE FOURTH QUARTER TO GO. WHAT I AM WANTING TO EMPHASIZE HEAR IS THAT WE REALIZE THAT EVERY AGENDA IS NOT GOING TO BE A HOME RUN OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY GET ON THE THIRD OR FOURTH BASE ON EVERY INDICATION BUT WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY T GET SOMEONE ON BASE AND GET THEM TO HOME BASE OR SCORE, WE ARE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND TODAY'S AGENDA, 15 AND 16, HAPPEN TO BE A COUPLE OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE MAXIMIZED WHAT IS IN THOSE SCOPES OF WORK THAT LEND THEMSELVES TO SOME LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION. I WILL CLOSE THERE AND STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I WANTED TO ATTEMPT TO PUT IT ALL THIS PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. >>CARL BRODY: THIS IS CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THE TURF WE ARE TREADING ON. THESE PROGRAMS, EBO PROGRAMS, ARE VERY LIMITED AND SUBJECT TO STRICT SCRUTINY WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO BE NARROWLY TAILORED. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN NARROW THESE EFFECTIVELY IS IF WE LIMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS, SO THAT, YES, WE SET GOALS, BUT THOSE GOALS HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO OUR COMMUNITY IN TERE BEING RELATED TO THE GOALS THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIALIZED CONTRACT LIKE THIS, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE AVAILABLE CONTRACTORS IN THE NBE CATEGORY. AND THE CORRECT OUTCOME IS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A WMBE FOR THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OUR OUTREACH REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE ORDINANCE, AND THAT ASSURES THAT WE DO AT LEAST MAKE THOSE WMBEs IN THE COMMUNITY AWARE THAT THESE CONTRACTS ARE AVAILABLE. SO WE GO OUT. WE TRY TO FIND WHO IS AVAILABLE. WE DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN. BUT SOMETIMES WE ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM WHERE THERE JUST ARE NOT ELIGIBLE WMBEs TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE NEED. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS UNDER NARROWLY TAILORED. SO THIS IS NOT TO BE UNEXPECTED PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIALIZED AGREEMENT LIKE THIS, BUT EBO, THEY ARE UNDERTAKING MANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING MAXIMIZED WMBE PARTICIPATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR THAT VERY, VERY LENGTHY LONG-WINDED EXPLANATIONS. MR. BAIRD PROVIDED ME WITH ADEQUATE EXPLANATION I REGARD TO THE BRIDGE REPAIR. I THINK THAT'S HAIL SPECIALIZED. AND I WILL BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ITEM 15. I WILL NOT BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ITEM 16. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY IN THAT TYPE OF PROJECT TO -- AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FOLKS ON OUR LIST, THEN WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING A LIST. AND I AM NOT GOING TO DRINK THE KOOL AID. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION; MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL PASS THE GAVEL TO MR. CARLSON IN REGARD TO -- MOVING ITEM 15 OR 16 IFOU SO WISH. SINCE HE'S THE VICE CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: PLAINTIFF CARLSON? CARL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ACTUALLY, I WILL MOVE ITEM 15 BECAUSE I SAID I WILL VOTE FOR IT. >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, SO ONTEM 16, I PHILOSOPHICALLY AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE BUSINESS MOVING, AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE NUMBERS GOING GOING UP BUT FOR NOW I WILL MOVE NUMBER 16. >> SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. WI DGFELDER VOTING NO.ARRIED >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY ONE THING. I KNOW THE EBO AND CHIEF BENNETT IS WORKING HARD, ESPECIALLY MR. BRODY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. AT TIMES, GENTLEMEN, I SEE GUYS ON THE ROADWORKING, AND I GET THEIR NAMES, AND I ASK THAT QUESTION, ARE YOU CERTIFIED WITH THE CITY? LOTS OF TIMES THE ANSWER IS NO. I GET THEIR NAMES, THEIR PHONE NUMBER, THEIR COMPANY, AND I SEND TO THE MR. SPEARMAN AND TO MR. HART. SOMETIMES I GET DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, WE TRADE, TRIED, AND DIDN'T CALL BACK. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW DISAPPOINTING THAT IS TO ME AT TIMES. BUT WE CAN'T STOP THERE. WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING. I KNOW SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT PARTICIPATION. I DO UNDERSTAND IT BUT I THINK THAT IN YOUR REPORT, WE NEED TO INDICATE WHY THE EFFORTS WERE PUT OUT, THAT WAY WE DON'T GET QUESTIONED ON WHY WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. MAYBE THE REPORT NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE MEAT IN IT, MR. BRODY, ANDHAT WAY COUNCIL ISN'T REQUESTING THAT KIND OF QUESTION, WHY ISN'T IT OR WHAT HAPPENED? MIGHT SAY, WELL, IT'S SPECIALIZED CIRCUMSTANCES, WE GO THROUGH OUR LIST, AND NOBODY CAN DO THAT JOB, AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GET PARTICIPATION. IT'S A MAIN FACTOR WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS. ANY QUESTIONS? >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. I WILL SAY THAT IF ANY COUNCIL OR ANY PUBLIC RUNS INTO AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMEBODY CERTIFIED AND THEY GET FEEDBACK THAT THERE WAS COMPLICATIONS OR BARRIERS THAT GET THAT TO MY OFFICE AND I WILL PERSONALLY WALK THROUGH THAT WITH MS. WYNN'S OFFICE AND DOWN TO MR. HART'S OFFICE. SECONDLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT DURING THE WORKSHOP COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SUPPORTED BY I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT THE CITY HELPING TO OVERCOME SOME OF THESE. >>GREG BAYOR:IERS AS RELATES TO INSURANCE AND OTHER THINGS. AND I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WILLING, SO MAYBE WE CAN REDISCUSS THAT AT THE WORKSHOP HERE COMING UP AT THE END OF THE MONTH TO HELP SOME OF THESE START-UPS AND SMALL GROUPS GET CERTIFIED AND COVERED IN THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHIEF. I KNOW MR. BRODY, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HIM IN REFERENCE TO A COUPLE OF ISSUES REFERENCE TO BONDING AND LIABILITY INSURANCE. I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS. SO I AM HOPING WE ARE KIND OF MOVING THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD AND MAKE SURE TSE FOLKS GET AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AND BE ON OUR LIST. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE THE BOND SITUATION GOING ON, MR. DINGFELDER. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? WORKING WITH STAFF, OR ANYBODY DOING IT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. MAYBE THAT GOES ON THAT LAUNDRY LIST FOR THAT WORKSHOP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MADE A MOTION TO COME BACK AND MR. BENNETT HAS ALLUDED TO IT NOW, THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO DO A JOB, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEOB, BECAUSE IT COMES WITH OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE, THE CAPITAL TO DO. CERTAINLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BOND, PERFORMANCE BOND. YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL OPERATION. YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE -- BE ABLE TO PAY FOR YOUR WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION, AND YOU ASK 99% OF THE PUBLIC, THEY DON'T HAVE NONE OF THAT. AND I AM NOT BEING DISSING IS TO ALL THE 99% OF THE PUBLIC BUT THE MOTION THAT I ORIGINALLY MADE WAS THAT WE WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, THAT THEY TAKE THE LEAD IN SECURING THESE THINGS, AND WHEN PAYMENT IS MADE TO THAT SUBCONTRACTOR TO DO THE JOB THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE SUBTRACTED FROM THE PAYMENT TO PAY FOR THE BOND THAT HE OR SHE YOU DIDN'T HAVE, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK MR. BENNETT WAS ALLUDING TO. >>OCEA WYNN: IF I MAY JUMP IN. I AM NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE ME OR NOT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN RECOLLECT NICED. >>OCEA WYNN: YES. SO WE HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD ON IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH BONDING AND INSURANCE, WHEN THE REQUEST CAME FROM COUNCIL MONTHS AGO, WE START TO RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATING WHAT THAT WILL INVOLVE, AND DURING THE WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK, WE WILL REPORT ON SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND OBSERVATIONS. SO I WANTED TO SAY WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS IN THAT AREA. NOTHING SOLIDIFIED JUST YET BUT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS IN THAT AREA. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ARE DIAGNOSE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL AND SEE HOW THEY ARE DOING. I KNOW MR. BRODY HEARD THOSE ISSUES, AND TEACHING ME SOME THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW AND KICKING THAT BALL DOWN THE FIELD. SO WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE WAYS TO GO BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS. >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL MOVE ON. MR. CARLSON, CAN YOU MOVE 32 THROUGH 39, SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S ME, MR. CHAIRMAN. 23 THROUGH 31 I MOVE. >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED A SECONDED. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >> >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM 38 I WAS REMINDED BY JEAN STROHMEYER'S COMMENTS THIS MORNING ABOUT NUMBER 34, AND I HATE TO DUTCH THIS ON THE LAST MINUTE BUT IF MR. BENNETT OR SOMEBODY COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION. CAN SOMEBODY ASSURE US THAT THAT LEASE IS AT MARKET RATE? SHE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. NUMBER 34. IT'S A SUBMERGED LANDSLIP FOR A BOAT SLIP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I APOLOGIZE TO THE CHIEF, HER COMMENTS REMINDED OF THIS. CAN I MOVE 32, 33, AND THEN 35 THROUGH 39? >> [OFF MICROPHONE] >>BILL CARLSON: SO 32 AND THEN 35 THROUGH 39. >> MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY -- I'M SORRY, MR. CARLSON. MR. DINGFELDER SAIDED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL. (ROLL CALL VOTE). >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND HOLD THAT FOR STAFF RORTS IS THAT YOUR REQUEST, COUNCILMAN CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: YES. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER -- BEFORE WE GO INTO STAFF REPORTS, NUMBER 40, MR. VIERA. WE GO INTO STAFF REPORTS WITH 41 AND 42. MR. SHELBY, YOU WILL NEED TO READ THOSE, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 40? THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR STAFF REPORTS. NUMBER 40. 41 AND 42 ARE ON THE CONSENT DOCKET FOR ITEMS BEING SET BY COUNCIL CONSENT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK SOMEBODY TO MOVE TWO RESOLUTIONS WITHOUT COMMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOTIONED IT. SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW WE HAVE HAD A FEW CALLS AND CONTACTS ABOUT 41 AND 42, THE BROWNFIELD ISSUES. 41 BROWNFIELD. I WANT TO SAY TO ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING OR WATCHING THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE TODAY IS MERELY TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S JUST A MINISTERIAL TASK THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OPTIONS ABOUT. WE ARE NOW SETTING PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUNE 3rd, AND THEN JUNE 24th ON THE FIRST ONE. SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THAT BROWNFIELD, ON ITEM 41, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN COME AND DO IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. MIRANDA'S HAND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON 42 THAT IS NOT A NEW TAX. THAT'S A TAX THAT WAS PASSED BY THE TAXPAYERS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF POTH 96, 30 YEAR TAX, HALF PENNY, TO FUND CERTAIN ITEMS. THAT SAME OPERATION WENT TO THE TAXPAYERS IN FEBRUARY OF 96, AND THEY HAD LITTLE SUPPORT FROM ANY MEDIA OUTLET TO THE POINT OF -- I CAN'T SAY, IT WAS SOME SUPPORT, BUS IT'S JUST FOR GOVERNMENT AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AND IT FAILED. THE SAME PROJECT WAS BROUGHT IN BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AND THOSE BEHIND THAT PROJECT SPENT 484,000 MAKING SURE IT PASSED. THE TAXPAYERS SPENT ZERO. AND IT PASSED 51-49 AND THAT WAS TO FUND STADIUMS ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC NEED. BUT THIS ADDRESSES THE LAST BITE OF THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX THAT WILL BE UD IN THIS GOVERNMENT FOR WHAT IT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, FOR EQUIPMENT AND AUTOMOBILES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO TO MAKE THE PUBLIC HAVE THE SERVICES THAT THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GIVE TO THE PUBLIC. AND THIS IS THE LAST BITE OF IT. SO BE AWARE OF IT. I HAVE HEARD RUMORS IN THE STREET THAT THAT CONTRACT, I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT IN THAT% BOARD AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD, I COULD HAVE APPOINTED MYSELF TO THE BOARD MANY TIMES WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN, I NEVER DID THAT. HOWEVER, THIS IS A STREET THA THEY ARE LOOKING AT A REVAMP AND MAYBE EVEN THE SPORTS AUTHORITY MAY NOT EACH BE AWARE OF THIS. MAYBE THIS IS A FALSE RUMOR THAT I HEARD, THAT NOW THEY WANT 500 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FACT. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S A RUMOR THAT I HEARD ON THE STREET AND I HAVE TO EXPRESS IT. BUT THIS IS NOT A NEW SALES TAX. THIS IS THE LAST BITE FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, TO HAVE WHAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF 96 WHERE IT FAILED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO WT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA JUST SAID, IT'S NOT A NEW TAX BUT ALSO THIS IS SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING, SO THE CITY CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW TO SPEND IT WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE WANT. SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT TO THE OTHER POINT, FOLLOWING ON WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID ALSO, I HAVE ALSO HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE BROWNFIELD SITE, AND MY HAVING LOOKED AT IT SO FAR, I WILL LOOK AT IT AGAIN MORE BEFORE IT COMES UP FOR THE MEETING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE BROWN FIELDS FROM THE ISSUE OF WHAT WOULD GO ON THE LAND. IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE AND THE INTENT IS TO STOP BROWNFIELD REMEDIATION, TO STOP ANOTHER PROJECT. I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO ISSUES. BROWNFIELD MEANS THAT THERE'S ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND, AND THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ENVIRONMENTALLY POLLUTED LAND TO CONTINUE BECAUSE COUNTY SEEP INTO THE AQUIFER AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES THAT HARM OUR ENVIRONMENT. THEN THE ISSUES AS TO WHAT SHOULD GO ON THE LAND IS SEPARATE. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 43 THROUGH 49. MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO. CONDY MR. CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 43. >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE AB 2-21-04 IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. IT WAS FOR A SMALL VENUE ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AND THAT WAS LOCATED AT 6203 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE. CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK WITH THE CORRECTIONS FROM THE REVISION SHEET AS WELL AS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL ON FIRSTEADING. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >>THE CLERK: APPLICANT DID NOT REGISTER FOR THIS ITEM VIRTUALLY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY THE MR. MANISCALCO. MR. MANISCALCO, READ ITEM 43, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 6203 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: >>RYAN MANASSE: THIS IS NUMBER 44, FILE AB 2-21-07, FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE, AGAIN CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK WITH THE CORRECTIONS FROM FIRSTEADI AND THE REVISION SHEET. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICAN AVAILABLE? >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >>THE CLERK: I THINK YOU ARE MUTED. >>YLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE YOUR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION AT THE LAST HEARING. I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW POINTS. FIRST THERE WERE THREE SUGGESTED CHANGES THAT COUNCIL MADE REGARDING SOME LIMITS, ENDING SOUND AT 10 P.M. WHICH WE UPDATED, HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH WE MADE THAT CHANGE, AND ALSO PROHIBITING TURNS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CHAIRMAN GUDES, MIGHT RECALL THAT THEY'RE WHATS A NEIGHBOR WHO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE THINK BASED UPON A MISCONCEPTION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO B A LIQUOR STORE, AND MY CLIENT DID MEET WITH VICKI BERNARDO, AND GAVE HER AND HER CLIENT, A TOUR OF THE FACILITY, AND HER CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN. THANKS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE? MR. MIRANDA, SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: AB 2-21-07, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 INFORM ALCOHOLIC BEALLS BEVERAGE SALES LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN PLOT, LOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANE NUMBER 2018-145 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 45, MR. MANASSE I. >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 45 IS AB 2-21-13, THIS IS BEFE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, FOR A SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES ONLY BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AND THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE SUITE 101, CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? APPLICANT PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. ROBINSON? YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN, SIR. >> OH, SORRY. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGH HAND. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK) I DO. SHAUN ROBINSON, REPRESENTATIVE FOR LOOK PALONA LOUNGE, 1315 EAST 7th. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL. WE CONCUR WITH STAFF, AND WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. MY CLIENT IS AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH HER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> MOVE TO CLOSE. >> SECOND. >>THE CLERK: NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED TO CLOSE. MR. CITRO, ITEM NUMBER 45, PLEASE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE AB 2-21-13, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE ANDIQUO ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE, SUITE 101, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUISIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 46 SIR. >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 46, AB 2-21-15 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR A SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION OF MAKE AND BUYER WAYNE, THE LOCATION 1701 WEST GRAY STREET AND CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK WITH THE CORRECTIONS AS STATED FROM THE FIRST READING AT THE HEARING AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE APE AN APPLICANT? (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >> YES. AS STAFF EXPLAINED, OUR APPLICANT AGREED TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE OPERATION AND THE NOISE OR AFTER 10 P.M. BEING CUT OFF. SO OTHER THAN THAT, NO CHANGES WERE MADE AND WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED? >> NO ONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA TO CLOSE. SECOND BY CITRO. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MR. DINGFELDER, 46. I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE FILE AB 2-21-15. I MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1701 WEST GRAY STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES >>JOSEPH CI. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 47. >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 47 IS FILE REZ 21-18. IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. THIS WAS A REZONING REQUEST FOR 3724 WEST SAN PEDRO STREET. THE REZONING WAS FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK WITH CORRECTIONS MADE, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT? >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I'M ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU SWORN IN? >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I HAVE BEEN. STEVE MICK LIEN FOR THE PETITIONER. WE HAVE MADE THE CORRECTIONS AND STIPULATED IN OUR HEARING PREVIOUSLY. IT'S BEEN CERTIFIED BY THE CITY STAFF. AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SECOND READING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED. >> MOVE TO CLOSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA AND SECOND BY CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR? >> REZ 2 IS-18, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3724 WEST SAN PEDRO STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, PVIDI AN . >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED, CITRO SECONDED: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 48. >> THIS IS ROSS WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION OF CITY OF TAMPA PRESENTING FILE VAC 21-05 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN AEYWAY VACATING LOCATED SOUTH OF CURTIS STREET, HILDA STREET, EAST OF NORTH BOULEVARD, WEST OF CLEARFIELD AVENUE, 602 AND 604 WEST CURTIS STREET. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE A APPLICANT THERE? >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK). >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE SCREENS ON THE DAIS ARE NOT WORKING. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN, SIR? CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR? >> YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE READY. >> YES, >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR? ANYBODY REGISTERED? >> NO ONE HAS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE? MOTION BY MIRANDA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. MR. VIERA, ITEM NUMBER 48, PLEASE SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING DISCONTINUING ABANDONING A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF CURTIS STREET NORTH OF HILDA STREET EAST OF NORTH BOULEVARD AND WEST OF CLEARFIELD AVENUE WITHIN THE REVISED PLAT OF SPRING HEIGHTS, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT, RESERVATIONS COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA MOVED IT. MR. MANISCALCO SECONDEDMENT. ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 49 OUR LAST ITEM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO STRIKE PURSUANT TO THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL, PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MADE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: ES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. STAFF REPORTS. AND WE HAVE MR. CARLSON'S ITEMS 32 AND 34. I KNOW WE SAID 1:30 FOR STAFF REPORTS BUT WE ARE A LITTLE EARLY. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR ITEM 40? >>VIK BHIDE: MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FOR ITEM 40. THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO THE RENEWAL OF THE EXISTING SCOOTER PILOT THAT WAS INITIATED OVER A YEAR AGO. THE RENEWAL IS NECESSARY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR NEW PROGRAM IS GOING THROUGH A -- WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVICES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A BRIEFING IN ADVANCE ON THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD, VIK, BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNRSTA THA ALL YOU WANTED -- THIS IS JUST A STOP GAP UNTIL YOU ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING ELSE? >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR. THIS IS A CONTINUANCE OF THE ORIGINAL PILOT UNTIL THE NEW PROGRAM CAN BE READY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ANTICIPATE THE NEW PROGRAM PERHAPS BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE NEXT SIX [NO ENCODER] [NO ENCODER] >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- MANY, MANY RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M SURE COUNCIL HAS MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT SCOOTERS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS OUT ON THE STREET. I'M NOT SURE THE REST OF COUNCIL DID. I GUESS MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO SCHEDULE A STAFF REPORT OR PUT IT ON SOME SORT OF WORKSHOP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS SO IT DOESN'T JUST POP UP AT THE LAST MINUTE WITH A FINAL DEAL. AS FAR AS TODAY IS CONCERNED, I'M OKAY WITH THE SIX MONTH CONTINUANCE. MR. CHAIRMAN, SO AM I. HOWEVER, IN THE REPORT, VIK, I WOULD IMAGINE ON YOUR REPORT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME STANDARDIZATION OF WHAT COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVED AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. I HAD COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVING MUCH MORE THAN THE SPEED LIMIT WAS GIVEN, AND THE OTHER DAY I IN CITY HALL I LOOKED AROUND AND SAW ABOUT SIX OF THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF FLORIDA AVENUE AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE BUT THAT WAS JUST ME. I APPRECIATE THE REPORT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE IT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I HAVE GOTTEN MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND THEY DROPPED OFF IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, PROBABLY BECAUSE PEOPLE GOT TIRED OF COMPLAINING, BUT I KNOW MR. BHIDE IS WORKING HARD TO COME UP AND WORKING WITH VENDORS TO COME UP WITH A NEW SOLUTION THAT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN THIS SOLUTION. BUT I JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF MY CONSTITUENTS HATE. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL ADD MY TWO CENTS WORTH. I RIDE THESE SCOOTERS. I LOVE THEM. IF I CAN GET FROM HEAR TO THE CONVENTION SEVENTHER FOR APRIL CERTAIN FUNCTION THE FIRST THING I DO IS JUMP ON A SCOOTER. YES, I TOO HAVE ALSO HEARD COMPLAINTS, MOSTLY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO WALK ON SIDEWALKS WHILE SCOOTERS ARE TRYING TO WHIP BY THEM. I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I WALK TO THE CONVENTION% CENTER AND HAVE TO STEP OFF THE SIDEWALK SO SCOOTERS CAN GO BY US. I ENJOY THESE THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M HOPING IN THE FUTE, M DINGFELDER CAUGHT IT, WITH SOME OF THESE ITEMS LIKE THESE, UNDER CONSENT AGENDA, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIME ABOUT THESE SCOOTERS. I HAVE COMPLAINTS. BUT I THINK WE HAVE CERTAIN TOPICS, BUZZ TOPIC, WHERE COUNCIL IS SAYING PULL IT FROM THE ITEM AND TALK ABOUT. I THINK THINGS LIKE THIS, AND THE CHIEF IS STAFF IS LISTENING, CERTAIN THINGS UNDER STAFF REPORTS, AND WE ACTUALLY LET COUNCIL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN REALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUES. BUT I AM APPRECIATIVE, YOU ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB, SO I HAVE TO GIVE YOU THAT PROP ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU DO WORK HARD AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU. AND CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO BRIEFINGS WITH COUNCIL AS WE USUALLY AND OFTENTIMES DO. WHEN THIS COMES UP WITH COUNCIL. BUT REST ASSURED THE REPORT THAT WE HAVE SHARED WILL REFLECT THAT WE REACHED OUT TO MORE THAN 1400 PEOPLE, USERS AND NONUSERS, ACROSS INCOMES, ACROSS GENDERS, TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE ORIGINAL PILOT. WHEN RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE, CONCERNS WERE CITED BY DR. YANG'S REPORT, AND THAT WE PARTICIPATED WITH AT USF, AND A LOT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE INCORPORATED. AND WE DID ALSO COORDINATE WITH PROVIDERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR BARRIERS WERE. AND WE LEARNED A LOT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THESE ONE ON ONES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANKS SO AR YOU COMFORTABLE, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE ITEM. ITEM 40. I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN SAID, AND IT SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT JOE IS OUT THERE AND I KNOW WE ARE THE SAME AGE. BUT BE CAREFUL, JOE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I SECOND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS LONG AS SCOOTER JOE IS HAPPY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S EITHER A SCOOTER OR -- EITHER ONE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: IN THE NAME OF SCOOTER JOE, I VOTE YES. [ LAUGHTER ] >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES TO THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR SCOOTER JOE YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, FOR SCOOTER JOE. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I HOPE I BROUGHT A LTLE BIT OF FUN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SCOOTER JOE, YES. CHIEF, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR ITEMS 32 THROUGH 34? >>BILL CARLSON: JUST 3 AND 34. 3 AND 34. I JUST WAS REMINDED OF IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY? OH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WIGGINS IS ON THE LINE. >>BILL CLSON I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE ON TIME THIS MORNING BUT CAN YOU TELL US IF THAT IS -- >> I'M SORRY? >>BILL CARLSON: NUMBER 33 AND 34. >> LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THE RATES THAT WE CHARGE IS DETERMINED BY THE SECTION 18-21 WHICH IS THE GREATER $541 FOR THE BASE RATE MULTIPLIED BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S STAFF'S REPORT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD -- -- THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISE BY MRS. STROHMEYER ALSO IN HER MEMO, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING, BUT WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? SHE SAID IT'S AN INDICATION IT STAYS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SHE WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD STAY SOUTH OF GANDY, SINCE THE IMPACT, I GUESS, IS IN THAT SOUTH OF GANDY AREA. SO IS IT LIMITED IN TERMS OF HOW CAN IT BE SPENT AND WHERE IT WOULD BEPENT >>ABBYE FEELEY: IS THAT FOR ITEM NUMBER 33? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 33, 34. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WELL, 33 IS THE DOCK BEHIND THE MANOR AT RIVERWALK SO THAT IS NOT SOUTH OF GANDY. I'M CONFUSED BY THAT QUESTION A BIT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 33 SAYS LOCATED AT THEST AND HE OF GANDY BRIDGE IN THE TITLE. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON OUR AGENDA. SO MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION. >> I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS FOR ITEM NUMBER 34. >>ORLANDO GUDES: TRY IT AGAIN, RON. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHERE RON INDICATED IT WAS BY THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THAT INFORMATION I AM PROVIDING IS IN RELATION TO NUMBER 34. WHICH IS THE 202 SOUTH PARKER, WHICH IS THE DOCK THAT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE MANOR ON RIVERWALK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE CITY? >>ABBYE FEELEY: I BELIEVE IT IS A LEASE PAYMENT AND GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. >>JOHN DINGFELDR: OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. AND IS THERE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH 33? >>ABBYE FEELEY: 33 WAS A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAD WITH N OF THE CROSSTOWN EXTENSION, AND IT WAS FOR A LAYDOWN AREA THAT WAS UTILIZED DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION, AND NOW THAT LEASE HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND THERE WAS ALIGN ITEM IN THAT LEASE FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE TO BE MADE, AND IT IS A FISCAL AMOUNT $2 MILLION THAT IS BEING PAID TO THE CITY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND ARE THOSIMPREMENTS LOCATED ALONG THAT GANDY CORRIDOR, OR ARE THEY JUST RANDOMLY AROUND THE CITY? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS MONEY THAT IS GOING TO GO TO PARKS AND RECREATION, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IMPROVEMENT WITH BOTH OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN PLANNED YET. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO CLARIFY ON NUMBER 34, WITH THAT FORMULA THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY MARKET RATE. AM I CORRECT? OR AT LEAST AS DICTATED BY LAW? >> IT IS DICTATED BY LAW, YES, SIR. AS FAR AS COMPARISON MARKET RATE, I BELIEVE IT'S LESS THAN THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE LAW. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >> YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] ALL RIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH NUMBERS ARE YOU REFERRING TO? ONE OR BOTH? >>ORLANDO GUDES: BOTH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. 33 AND 34. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 33 AND 34. MR. VIERA HAS MOVED IT. MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL. MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. MR. BENNETT, AS LONG AS YOU ARE HERE, SO ITEM 34, WE GET EDUCATED EVERY MINUTE WE SIT HERE. CONSTITUENT ASKED AN INTERESTING QUESTION. THE MONEY THAT'S BEING GENERATED ITEM 34 SIGNIFICANT MONEY, $2 MILLION INTO THE PARKS DERTME GENERALLY, CONSTITUENT SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS BECAUSE THE IMPACTS WERE IN THE GANDY SOUTH OF GANDY AREA, THAT PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD LIMIT OR RESTRICT OR WHAT HAVE YOU THAT MONEY TO STAY IN THAT AREA. I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD UP THESE TWO ITEMS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT MAYBE AT SOME FUTURE DATE COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY VIERA, SECONDED BY MANISCALCO. ROLL CAL >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GO TO STAFF REPORTS. ITEM NUMBER 50, ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES? CHIEF, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE TIME. WE SAID 1:30. DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? >>JOHN BENNETT: I BELIEVE STAFF IS READY TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL CAN KEEP MOVING. QUICKNTROCTION. FIRST THANK YOU FOR CONTINUINGS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON SOME PROGRESS. INTERESTING ENOUGH THAT TODAY, BECAUSE OF THE MIDYEAR UPDATE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT COUNCIL, AND I REMEMBER THOSE DURING THE PASSAGE OF THE BUDGET FOR FY 21, THAT COUNCIL BROUGHT FORWARD, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT STAFF GIVES YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT TODAY. ONE DISCUSSED THE -- AS A MATTER OF FACT, CHAIRMAN GUDES, I THINK THIS WAS YOUR ITEM IN THE BUDGET, WAS THE NOTION OF EXPLORING THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. AND WE HAVE TOD OCEA WYNN TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. AND WE HAD ASKED COUNCIL TO BE PATIENT AND LOOK AT THE PROGRAMMATIC SIDE OF THAT, AND WE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT RECRUITING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN THE CITY. WE HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR TRAINING, AWARENESS AS IT RELATES TO THE EQUALITY OR EQUITY AND DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, AND A LOT OF US JUST WENT THROUGH THE USF PROGRAM WHICH IS SEVEN MODULES AND GRADUATED FROM THAT, SO A SPECIAL SHOUTOUT TO USF FOR HOSTING THAT PROGRAM. THEN LASTLY WAS ACCOUNTABILITY. AND TODAY WE HAVE MS. OCEA WYNN, AND SHE'S SUPPORTED BY KELLY AUSTIN AND KRISTIN GLOVER TO GIVE YOU A PROGRESS REPORT ON THAT. WHEN THEY ARE DONE, I HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF LEE BURKEOFF ON THE LINE AND HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHAT COUNCIL HAD ASKED AND I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER BRINGING UP THE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM, AND WORKED VERY HARD FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS, AND CONGRATS TO CHIEF DUGAN IN WORKING WITH MR. ROGERO'S OFFICE TH FORWARD.MAYOR FOR BRINGING SO WE'LL HAVE TWO BRIEF PRESENTATIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. WYNN. >>OCEA WYNN: ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE CITY OF TAMPA'S DIVERSITY OVERSIGHT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY VIDEO TODAY BUT I HOPE THAT EACH OF YOU CAN HEAR ME CLEARLY. AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS MENTIONED, CHIEF BENNETT HAS MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR O MIDYEAR REVIEW ON THE STATUS OF THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER AND THE PROGRAM. WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, IN COLLABORATION WITH CELEBRATING WHAT WILL ACHIEVE DIVERSITY PROGRAM LOOK LIKE, AS CHIEF BENNETT HAS MENTIONED, WE WERE CONSIDERING BOTH THE PROGRAMMATIC FUNCTIONS THAT WILL LAY THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROGRAM VERSUS FTEs RIGHT ON THE SPOT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDER WHERE THOSE CHALLENGES LIE, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME THEM. IN LOOKING AT THE PROGRAMMATIC AREAS, I HAVE SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON BOARD, READY TO PROVIDE UPDATES, BOTH KELLY AUSTIN, WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR AS WELL AS FOR TRAINING AS WELL AS FOR WITH KRISTIN GLOVER WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WITH SOME EXCITING NEWS THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THAT AREA. SO AT THIS POINT I WILL ASK KELLY AUSTIN TO WEIGH IN AND TO PROVIDE HER UPDATES, AND WE WILL PROCEED FROM THERE. >>KELLY AUSTIN: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. KELLY AUSTIN, HUMAN RESOURCES. IN JUSTOMENT I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR TALENT ACQUISITION COORDINATOR TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, IN HER FIRST 90 DAYS OF TENURE AS A CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE. I AM VERY PROUD OF REGINA'S APPROACH TO ALIGNING OUR FOUR GOALS THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED TO GO ALONG WITH MAYOR CASTOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE. WE STARTED THIS FOUNDATION BASED ON THE DATA THAT QUEUED AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR EEOP REPORTING, AND TRIED TO BUILD FROM THERE. AFTER ROW GINA PROVIDES HER UPDATE THEN I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE RFP BIAS, BUT FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR TALENT ACQUISITION MS. REGINA CASTEEL. IF YOU WILL UNMUTE AND SHARE YOUR WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENTS WITH COUNCIL THIS MORNING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES >> HELLO? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN. AS MRS. AUSTIN STATED, WE ARE CURRENTLY USING AN EEOP AS A GUIDE TO HELP INCREASE DIVERSITY RECRUITMENT WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE MAYOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE, AND WE OUTLINED FOUR GOALS TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THE FIRST GOAL WAS BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP AND ORGANIZATION OF DEVELOPMENT TO INCREASE OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CITY, AND MORE ABOUT THE MAYOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE AND HOW OUR OFFICE COULD SUPPORT THOSE INITIATIVES. WE REVIEWED ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENT DATA AS WELL AS COMMUNITY DATA TO BET ARE UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY DOES BUSINESS, TO INTERVIEW, OBSERVATIONS, VISITING WITH THE INTERNAL CITY EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS DEPARTMENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENT AND GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS. WE ALSO HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE POLICIES AND THE PROCEDURES, THE CURRENT PRACTICES, SERVICE RULES, AND THE CITY CHARTER, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MEETING WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS. OUR SECOND GOAL WAS DIVERSITY IN MARKETING. WE WANTED TO EXPAND OUR INTERNAL JOB SEARCH BY REVIEWING AND UPDATED CURRENT PROCESSES AND ADVERTISING RESOURCES TO IMPROVE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND REACH UNDERUTILIZED APPLICANT GROUPS, WE DID THA BY COLLABORATING WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, TO INCREASE OUR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA WHICH INCLUDED FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. WE ARE ALSO DOING SOME THINGS WITH OUR INTERNAL EMPLOYEES IN RELATION TO OUR FAMILY AND FRIEND REFERRAL PROGRAM, WORKING WITH OUR ADA DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS HONOR MAKE SURE THAT THEY SHARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WITH EMPLOYEES. WE ARE COLLABORATING WITH LOCAL GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS TOBA, NAACP, THE PASTOR ALLIANCES, URBAN LEAGUE, HISPANIC AND HAITIAN AMERICAN, AS WELL AS ASIAN PACIFIC ISLANDERS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCES, THE WOUNDED WARRIOR PROGRAM, MacDILL AIR FORCE MILITARY TRANSITION PROGRAM, OPERATION UNIFORM, THE VETERANS, THE WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS LGBT CLUB ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH HCCU AND OTHER CLINICS THAT HAVE A MINORITY POPULATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN AND HISPANIC, PARTNER WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE HOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING THEIR BUSINESSES, AND WE ARE ATTENDING VARIOUS COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS STATE CONFERENCES, CHAIN TRAING S UNDERSTAND THE CANDIDATES THAT WE ARE RECRUITING SUCH AS PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFETY, RECRUITING IN A PANDEMIC, MENTAL HEALTH FIRST AID, AS WELL AS THE AGING WORKFORCE. GOAL NUMBER 3 WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP. WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING VISIBILITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND ESTABLISHED PARTNERSHIPS IN ORDER TO INCREASE OUR DIVERSE APPLICANT POOL WHICHONSIS OF PARTNERING WITH CAREER SOURCE TAMPA BAY, WITH THEIR SUMMER JOB CONNECTION, AS WELL AS THEIR YEAR-ROUND PROGRAM THAT IS A PAID WORK EXPERIENCE. THERE ARE THING TANK SESSIONS. WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, ETE PROGRAM, TO PARTICIPATE IN INFORMATION SESSIONS, CAREER FAIRS, WE ARE ALSO DOING IT WITH OPERATION UNIFORM, WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT AS WELL AS USF. WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN LOCAL EVENTS THROUGH NETWORKS SUCH AS BLACK HISTORY PROGRAMS, HAITIAN FLAG DAY, THE ASIAN-AMERICAN CONVERSATION, TAMPA BAY WOMEN'S EXPO, LGBTGLQ PLUS WORKSHOP AND MONTHLY ADA ALLIANCE MEETINGS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GOAL NUMBER 4 IS OUR TALENT MANAGEMENT, HOW WE PLAN TO INCREASE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES TO WORKFORCEEEDS AND DEVELOP ADDITIONAL ENTRY LEVEL OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO DETERMINE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS. RESEARCHING APPRENTICESHIPS, MENTORING INTERNSHIP AND VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT CTA PROGRAM, THE LOCAL COLLEGES, SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH OUR FIRE RESCUE, OUR SOLID WASTE, AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. AND LAST BUT LOT LEAST IN THIS AREA IS LOOKING AT FINDING PROGRAMS THAT WILL HELP US INCREASE OUR FEMALE POPULATION IN NONTRADITIONAL FIELDS LIKE CONSTRUCTION, SOLID WASTE, WASTEWATER, WATER, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND I.T. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, REGINA AND COUNCIL. I'M SURE YOU CAN HEAR THE COMPASSION REGINA HAS AND WE ARE APPRECIATE APPRECIATE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. I ALSO WANT TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON HOW WE ARE DOING WITH OUR DIVERSITY AND IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENDEAVORED ON EXPANDING THE TRAINING THAT THE CITY CONDUCTS, AND THAT HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ESSENTIALLY HUNTER, CARL BRODY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I WANT TO THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THEIR HELP. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WERE GREG SPEARMAN'S ORGANIZATION SO THANK YOU. IN ANTICIPATION OF PREPARATION OF THE IMPLICIT BIAS RFP THAT IS SET TO GO OUT, WE CONDUCTED A LISTENING SESSION WITH SOME COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS BACK IN MARCH, AND CHIEF OF STAFF, MYSELF, MS. WYNN, CARL BRODY, KAY HUNTER AND LIDA, ATTENDED THAT SESSION TO HEAR FROM DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE ON WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CRAFT. WE GOT GREAT SUGGESTIONS AND FEEDBACK FOR PROGRAM CONTENT, AND BUILT THAT INTO OUR RFP. I AM VERY EXCITED TO SAY THAT OUR RFP OPENED ON JUNE 9th, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING SOME GREAT PROPOSERS, AND BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE AND SECURE AN OUTSTANDING TRAINING PROGRAM THAT THE CITY CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH. I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MS. CHRISTINE GLOVER. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. GLOVER GLOVER DIRECTOR OF THE CITY'S INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT. I WANTED TO GO OVER THE BROAD TIMELINE AND HOW IT CURRENTLY WORKS. CURRENTLY THIS IS AN INTERNAL OPEN HOTLINE AND WE HAVE A NUMBER POSTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. EACH AUDIT THAT WE DO, WE DO A QUESTIONNAIRE, AND THAT INCLUDES KNOWLEDGE OF THE OUTLINE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR POSTING IF MANAGEMENT IS UNAWARE. WE CURRENTLY -- EMPLOYEES THAT CALL INT TT NUMBER AND REMAIN ANONYMOUS, AND THEN THEY CAN CHECK BACK TO DETERMINE THE STATUS OF THEIR CONCERN. AND IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CAN LEAVE MESSAGES WITH THE VENDOR. SO THEY SEND AN E-MAIL TO INTERNAL AUDIT. WE MAY DETERMINE HOW I SHALL ISSUE SHOULD BE HANDLED AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF. IT MAY BE HR ISSUE, OR SOMETHING THAT WE REFER BACK T MANAGEMET, OR MAY BE A FRAUD THAT WE SHOULD INVESTIGATOR SOMETHING CRIMINAL WE MAY REFER TO TPD, BUT WE SEND IT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND THEN WE FOLLOW WITH THE RESOLUTION, WE HAVE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE WITH THE VENDOR HOW. HEAR THE PLAN IS TO GO WHEREVER JUST A FRAUD HOTLINE TO -- HOT LANENDHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS UPDATE OUR MATRIX AT THAT POINT. BUT ANY DISPARITY ISSUE, A TASK FORCE WAS PUT IN PLACE, BE PUT IN PLACE, AND ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS WOULD BE REFERRED TO THAT TASK FORCE. AND THAT TASK FORCE WOULD INCLUDE CHIEF OF STAFF, HR, MS. WYNN, INTERNAL AUDIT AND A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE. THE PROCESS WOULD STILL THE SAME WHERE CALLS CAN COME IN, AND THE INDIVIDUAL CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS. WE HAVE RECEIVED PERIODIC UPDATES AND THE FINAL STATUS OF RESOLUTION OF THAT ITEM. THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT. >> SO A COUPLE OF FINAL THINGS, COMMENTS COUNCIL. THE WAY THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON SOCIALIZING IS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION IS THAT WE ARE ENTERTAINING CREATING A VIDEO, A VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS WHAT DISPARITIES ARE, WHAT CONSTITUTES THE LACK OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, AND THE VIDEO WILL ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE HOTLINE AND THE AVAILABILITY OF THE HOTLINE, NOT ONLY FOR FRAUD BUT FOR DISPARITY. AND THEN ONE FINAL COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS I THINK IT'S FITTING THAT TODAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND BRIEFING YOU ON THE CITY'S FIRST INAUGURAL ASIAN-AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER CELEBRATION THAT WILL BE HELD THIS EVENING FROM 4 TO 5 P.M. IN THE COURTYARD BETWEEN CITY HALL AND OLD CITY HALL. SO IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WILL ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT AS WE CELEBRATE THE INCLUSION OF ALL NOT ONLY CITY EMPLOYEES BUT EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. THAT END OUR REPORT. WE ARE READY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW I HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM. ANYONE ELSE? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LEAD THE WAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN. AND IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. I AM JUST CURIOUS WHY WE ARE DOING ALL THIS WORK, THOUGH. BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR EMPLOYEES TALK, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY, EMPLOYEES, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF OVER LUNCH. I AM JUST GOING TO BE FRANK WITH THAT. COMMUNICATING THAT. ALSO, WHAT MECHANISM NISM FOR EMPLOYEES TO MAKE COMPLAINTS?% I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. WHAT I INITIALLY ENVISIONED THAT PERSON ANSWERS TO THE MAYOR, NOT TO HR, BUT TO HAVE A WAY THAT EMPLOYEES OR EVEN OUTSIDE CONSTITUENTS COULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR DISPARITIES ARE AND EMPLOYEE ISSUES. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT IN THE PRESENTATION. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ENVISION TAKES CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. A PERSON WHO WOULD UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE CULTURAL DIVERSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT -- THE CHARTER REVIEW TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE ARE JUST PUTTING AN RFP OUT IN JUNE. I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. I KNOW WE ARE BUSY BUT CERTAIN THINGS WE HAVE TO MUTT TO THE FOREFRONT. AND HOW I ENVISION A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER IS NOT WORKIN% AS I THOUGHT IT SHLD BE. I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO DO A BROAD SPECTRUM ON ALL THESE IDEAS AND I THINK SOME ARE VERY GOOD BUT I THINK THE NUTS AND BOLTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM THAT EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS CAN MAKE CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS SO THEY CAN BE LOOKED AT ON A NONBIAS EFFORT VERSUS SOME EMPLOYEES CAN GO TELL A SUPERVISION OR AND THEY ARE NOT OSTRACIZED OR BLACK BALD. I AM JUST GOING TO BE FRANK WITH THAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON WHO IS AWAY FROM EVERYONE ELSE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE UNBIASED VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE MAYOR THAT THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CALLS, I GUESS BECAUSE I AM THE AFRICAN AMERICAN ON THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE I HAVE A DIFFERENT SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING, AND WHEN I GET COMPLAINTS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE ISSUES GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE AFRAID TO COME FORWARD. I AM-A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, EMPLOYEES CAME UP TO ME. THAT WAS THE POINT OF CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. THEY CAN'T JUST GO TO HR AND FILE A COMPLAINT. AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, I KNOW THAT. NOBODY CAN TELL ME ANY DIFFERENT. YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO HR. I HAD A SITUATION PEOPLE CALLED ME ABOUT, ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS, THE WAY THEY INTERROGATE AND INTERVIEW, THAT'S INTIMIDATING. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTY THAT CAN LISTEN AND AGAIN FOLKS GET BLACK BALD OR PUT TO THE SIDE. SO I APPRECIATE THE RECORD BUT IT REALLY WASN'T WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AS A PACKAGE. WWE ARE JUST MISSING THAT PORTION. I TOLD THE CHIEF OF STAFF, I THOUGHT MRS. OCEA WYNN WHEN THE JOB WAS FIRST GIVEN I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO MUCH. SHE HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT SHE'S GOT TO RUN. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DO A JOB THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT TOO MUCH OTHER WORK TO DO. SO I YIELD BACK, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE WAY I ENVISION THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER IS JUST NOT WORK WORKING IN MY OPINION. MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: I GET A LOT OF CALLS TOO. MOST OF THEM FROM INTERMEDIARIES WHO SAY THEY HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYEES ARE FREE TO CALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED. OR THEY ARE AFRAID THAT I WILL HAVE TO REPORT THEM TO HR. BUT JUST TO PUT THIS OUT THERE, THE CONCERNS I HEARRE NOT ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION. I THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO CHANGE IT AND ALL THOSE THINGS YOU LISTED ARE AN EXAMPLE OF ALL THE CHANGES THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE. BUT ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THEY MADE TO ME FROM THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING AN EXTERNAL PARTY HOTLINE THAT'S NOT AN INTERNAL TO PROTECT THE IDENTITY OF FOLKS. BECAUSE I KNOW CHIEF OF STAFF, MAYOR, OTHERS WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE'S HONEST OPINIONS, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP THEY CAN'T GIVE THAT. SO WHATEVER MEANS WE CAN USE TO MAKE SURE WARE HEARING EVERYTHING WLD B GRE BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? WELL, AGAIN, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO, I BELIEVE. HOPEFULLY WITH THE NEXT REPORT WE CAN KICK THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND IF NOT NEED TO PUT THINGS ON THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR THE CITIZENS. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO. WITH THAT I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BERCAW TO TALK TO US ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH? >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF BURCAW. >>CHIEF BERCAW: I'M HEAR TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON THE -- PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN INTRODUCE GALE RIDER. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT EXPERTS IN MENTAL HEALTH SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY TO HELP BUILD THIS PILOT PROGRAM. MS. GAIL RIDER, SHE GETS TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEALTH CARE, AND COME UP WITH A PILOT PROGRAM. I HAVE GAIL ON THE LINE. GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO YOU HOW YOU HAVE ASSISTED US. >> HELLO EVERYONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME, CHIEF? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY CAMERA ON. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK YO F INVITING ME HERE. I'M GAIL RIDER, THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEALTH FOR THE BARRACK HEALTH SYSTEM. IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ISSUED AN RFP ASKING THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE COMMUNITY TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST THEY HAVE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BRING A MENTAL HEALTH UNIT WITHIN THE TPD. WE ALL DISCUSSED THAT. THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY LARGE PROVIDERS IN TAMPA BAY. WE ARE LUCKY HERE IN TAMPA TO HAVE TWO VERY LARGE PROVIDERS THAT IS DOCO AND HAX AND TWO LARGE MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS, GRACE POINT AND NORTHSIDE. AND OBVIOUSLY A VERY LARGE HEALTH SYSTEM THAT HAS A LOT OF INVESTMENT WHICH IS BAYCARE. SO WE WROTE A LETTER TO TAMPA POLICE THAT SAID I THINK THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED IS TO BUILD A PROGRAM TOGETHER. SO WE STARTED MEETING IN JANUARY. AND WE PROPOSED, WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER MUCH BETTER THAN WE D BEFORE. AS THE CHIEF SAID, THEY WERE NOT EXPERTS IN MENTAL HEALTH, AND WE ARE NOT EXPERTS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO WE SPENT SEVERAL WEEKS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'S LANGUAGE. AND THEN WE CIRCLED THE WAGONS AROUND TWO VERY IMPORTANT POINTS. ONE, WHAT IS REALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN RIDE-ALONG WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS? AND THEN THE SECOND CONVERSATION WAS IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO CARE COORDINATION AND PROGRAMS. SO AFT A LOT OF CONVERSATION, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS TO THE TEAM THAT WE HAD A REAL BLIND SPOT, AND THAT BLIND SPOT WAS NOT REALLY KNOWING WHETHER THE RIDE-ALONGS WITH ARE GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. SO WE DECIDED ON A PILOT PROJECT, AND WE TEAMED UP A SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN, TWO TEAMS WITH A RIDE-ALONG AND WE GOT THAT TOGETHER, AND OVERWHELMINGLY THE CLINICIANS FELT THAT THE RIDE-ALONGS WITH ARE CRITICAL. THE REASON WHY THE RIDE-ALONGS WERE CRITICAL IS THAT YOU HAVE A RARE OPPORTUNITY, AND THE REASON WHY THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THIS IS WHEN SOMEONE IS IN A SORT OF QUOTE-UNQUOTE CRISIS POSITION, OR WHEN POLICE HAVE TO ATTEND TO THEM, THAT'S A RARE MOMENT OF ENGAGEMENT. THAT'S A RARE MOMENT TO MAKE A CONNECTION WITH THAT PERSON, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CARE. SO WE MADE THE DECISION THAT PART OF THE NEW PROGRAM WAS EARL GOING TO HAVE A RIDE-ALONG COMPONENT. THE NEXT PIECE WAS CARE COORDINATION. THE NEXT THING THAT WORRIED THE PROVIDERS, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DEMAND ON THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES PROCESS. BUT WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN IN THE FIELD IDENTIFIED SOMEONE, AND THEN MAKE SURE THEY GET INTO CARE, THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE NEED TO BE PRIORITIZE. THEY CAN'T BE PUT ON A LIST, IF THEY CAN'T BE FOLLOWED UP THE NEXT DAY, IT NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATE. SO THE THE SECOND PART IS EACH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC CARE COORDINATOR TOTALLY DESIGNED AND ASSIGNED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THERE IS THE JOURNEY THAT WE TRAVERSED. IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT, I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS WERE VERY PURPOSEFUL. I THINK THAT THIS IS A PILOT. I THINK THAT IT WILL EVOLVE INTO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE GOING FORWARD, SO I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT CHANGES AS WE GO ALONG. ALSO, WE PUT TOGETHER A RESOURCE GUIDE FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THEY NOW HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE RESOURCES WITH ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. I WILL SPEND A MINUTE DOING A SHOUTOUT TO USF AND TO THE CRISIS CENTER WHO HELPED THE POLICE CIRCLE THE WAGONS AROUND THIS IDEA AND BRING US ALL TOGETHER. SO WITH THAT, I WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU THE TAMPA CRISIS INTERVENTION RESPONSE TEAM. THAT IS A COLLABORATIVE BETWEEN ALL THE MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THERE YOU CAN SEE WHO WE INTEND TO BE. SO AT THIS TIME, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING. I THINK IT WAS EXCITING BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT'S EVEN MORE EXCITING NOW. SO WE ARE EXCITED. SO I WILL HAND IT BACK TO THE CHIEF, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE. >>CHIEF BERCAW: THANK YOU, MS. RAIDER. COUNCIL, JUST FOR YOUR MORE DETAILED, OUR PILOT PROGRAM WILL BE COMPRISED OF 13 INDIVIDUALS. WE WILL HAVE ONE INTERNAL TPD EMPLOYEE WHICH WILL BE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COORDINATOR, AND FOUR POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGNED, AND THEN CONTRACTED THROUGH HAPS, FOUR FIELD CLINICIANS AND FOUR COORDINATORS. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A CONTRACT TO GET THIS PILOT PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING. SO THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. RIDER, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. THANKS TLL THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, USF AND THE CRISIS CENTER IN PARTICULAR. AND THANK YOU, CHIEF DUGAN AND CHIEF BERCAW FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE IN THIS. AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, CHIEF, IS BUDGET. WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE BUDGETING, OR TENTATIVELY BUDGETING FOR THIS PROGRAM? AND AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE INTERIM PILOT PROGRAM? AND ALSO WHEN DO WE EXPECT IT TO BE KICKED OFF, OBVIOUSLY, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, I GUESS. AND THEN FINALLY, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT GRANTS. DO WE HAVE ANY GRANT APPLICATIONS? HOW ARE WE DOING ON GRANTS? >> I'LL TAKE THE LAST QUESTION FIRST GRANTS. WE ARE WORKING WITH HAYES AND WE ARE IT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT THE BUDGET WILL BE. WE ARE ANTICIPATING ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 800,000 DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PILOT PROGRAM KICKS OFF. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS RIGHT NOW. AS SOON AS WE HAVE A DRAFT CONTRACT APPROVED BY LEGAL, THEN WE'LL GET GET A MORE DEPARTMENT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TIMING IN TERMS OF ACTUAL KICKOFF? >>CHIEF BERCAW: AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THIS CONTRACT AGREED AND HAX, HOPEFULLY SOMETIME THIS SUMMER. AX IS ALREADY WORKING ON JOB DESCRIPTION AND GETTING REA TO VE THEM. SO WE ARE WORKING SIMULTANEOUSLY BEHIND IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FANTASTIC. I AM VERY THRILLED WITH THE PROGRESS AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? CHIEF, ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S COMING ON 12:00. I KNOW WE HAVE HOT TOPICS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK? >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. WE HAVE THE BUDGET ISSUE, AND ARTER REVIEW ISSUE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME BACK AT 1:00? >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU WANT TO BREAK FOR LUNCH. CHIEF, I JUST THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO IT AND I JUST DON'T SEE US AT 12:30. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABRAHAM FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK AT 1. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, A MOTION FOR -- MR. CITRO, YOU ARE THE SECOND FOR 1:15? [SOUNDING GAVEL]