This is a transcription of a Minneapolis City Council meeting. Speaker names have been added based on the context provided and the self-identifications within the text. [1:13] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** RESOLUTION TO PRESENT. IT IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH RESOLUTION. I'M GOING TO JUST COME DOWN THERE AND ASK IF MICKEY, SIRI, FINN, AND ALICIA WILL JOIN ME UP FRONT. [1:51] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS THE HARDEST PART OF THINGS THAT I SEE IN MY WORK AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. ITS IMPACTS ARE DEVASTATING FOR VICTIMS AND FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. THIS MONTH VICTIM ADVOCATES, SURVIVORS OF ABUSE, THEIR LOVED ONES, AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND MOURN LIVES LOST TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, CELEBRATE THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE TO END THIS EPIDEMIC, AND CONNECT WITH OTHERS WORKING TO CREATE CHANGE. TODAY I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WORKING TO CREATE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE FIRST IS SOMEONE I'VE KNOWN FOR 10 YEARS NOW. [2:34] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** MICKY O'CANE LIVES IN MY COMMUNITY. SHE'S GENEROUSLY DONATED HER TIME TO RAISING AWARENESS AND FUNDS FOR THE DOMESTIC ABUSE PROJECT. SHE'S PLAYED A KEY ROLE ORGANIZING THE DUPONT LUMINARIES PROJECT IN MY WARD WHERE NEIGHBORS COME TOGETHER AND SHINE A LIGHT ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. QUITE LITERALLY, THIS PROJECT HAS RAISED OVER $34,000 FOR THE DOMESTIC ABUSE PROJECT, TO DATE, AND THIS YEAR ALONE MICKY HAS RAISED MORE THAN $10,000 TO PROVIDE A YEAR OF PARENT/CHILD THERAPY FOR 10 FAMILIES. THIS IS HER 25th YEAR DOING THE DUPONT LUMINARIES. SIRI WORKS [3:20] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** AT TUBMAN, AN ORGANIZATION THAT’S PROVIDED SAFETY, HOPE, AND HEALING IN MINNEAPOLIS FOR MORE THAN 45 YEARS. THEY SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS AND CONNECT THEM TO THE RESOURCES THEY NEED IN THE WAKE OF TRAUMA, INCLUDING RELATIONSHIP VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND EXPLOITATION, TRAFFICKING, ADDICTION, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, AND MORE. THANKS TO THE WORK OF DEDICATED STAFF LIKE SIRI, TUBMAN SERVED NEARLY 18,000 PEOPLE IN HENNEPIN COUNTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS LAST YEAR. I ALSO WANT TO UPLIFT THE MEMORY OF SARA PATRICK, A VICTIM OF INTIMATE PARTNER HOMICIDE. SARA WAS DESCRIBED AS BRIGHT, WITTY, AND SMART. HER FATHER DESCRIBED HER AS AN [4:06] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** INCREDIBLE ARTIST AND PAINTER. WE'RE JOINED TODAY BY HER FRIENDS, FINN AND ALIYA TO SHARE HER STORY AND HONOR HER MEMORY. SINCE HER TRAGIC DEATH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TO BRING IMPACTS AND AWARENESS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M GOING TO READ THE RESOLUTION AND ASK YOU EACH TO SAY A FEW WORDS. SO, DECLARING OCTOBER 2023 AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. WHEREAS NATIONAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH WAS FIRST DECLARED IN 1989 TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MORE THAN 10 MILLION ADULTS ANNUALLY WHO EXPERIENCE DOMESTIC AND INTIMATE [4:53] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** PARTNER VIOLENCE IN THE U.S. -- PARTICULARLY BLACK, INDIGENOUS, ASIAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO AMERICAN. WITH EVERY TOWN REPORTING AN AVERAGE OF 70 WOMEN ARE SHOT AND KILLED BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER EVERY MONTH. [5:12] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** OVER 4 -- ACCESS TO A FIREARM INCREASES THE RISK OF INTIMATE PARTNER HOMICIDE BY AT LEAST 400%. AND WHEREAS DESPITE ITS PERVASIVENESS, CURRENTLY NO STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY COLLECTS COMPREHENSIVE DATA ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR INTIMATE PARTNER HOMICIDES. AND WHEREAS VIOLENCE-FREE MINNESOTA IS A STATEWIDE COALITION OF PROGRAMS FOR RELATIONSHIP ABUSE HAS BEEN REPORTING ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOMICIDES SINCE 1989. WHEREAS THERE HAVE BEEN 24 DOCUMENTED CASES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOMICIDE IN MINNESOTA, BETWEEN JANUARY AND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. INCLUDING LOGAN GREGORY BARNUM, AKAI, BIANCA [6:01] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** O'NEAL, JENNIFER YANG, ADRIENNE, KARINA WOOD HILL, MADELINE JANE KINGSBURY, JOSHUA ANTHONY -- ANTONIO LEVAR MOORE, -- [ LISTING NAMES ] AND WHEREAS THERE HAVE BEEN TWO [6:47] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** CASES OF DOMESTIC HOMICIDE DOCUMENTED IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS SO FAR THIS YEAR. AND WHEREAS OCTOBER 15th IS MEMORIAL OF SARAH PATRICK, BELOVED DAUGHTER, SISTER, AND FRIEND AND COMMUNITY MEMBER AND MOSS. THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS IS COMMITTED TO HONORING THE MEMORIES OF THOSE LOST TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BY BRINGING AN END TO THE PREVENTABLE EPIDEMIC. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY DECLARE OCTOBER 2023 AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. AND [7:33] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** OCTOBER 15th, 2023, BE RECOGNIZED AS A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR ALL VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND HOMICIDE. THANK YOU. MICKY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS? [7:49] **Mickey O'Kane:** THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME BE HERE TODAY. IT'S AN HONOR. WE OPENED OUR DOORS IN 1979—DOMESTIC ABUSE PROJECT. [8:05] **Mickey O'Kane:** I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AT THEIR SIDE FOR OVER 26 YEARS. IN 1979, WOMEN SHELTERS WERE THE ONLY OPTION AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE, WOMEN, DEALING WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. IF MEN WERE FOUND GUILTY OF ABUSING THEIR PARTNER, THEY MIGHT BE ARRESTED THEY WOULD RARELY SERVE ANY LENGTHY PUNISHMENT, AND THEY DEFINITELY WERE NOT TAUGHT HOW TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. DAP WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT ABUSE IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR. AND THAT CAN BE UNLEARNED. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST NONPROFITS IN THE COUNTRY TO DEAL WITH REHABILITATION. IT ALSO RECOGNIZED ABUSE WAS AN INTERGENERATIONAL PROBLEM. THE [8:51] **Mickey O'Kane:** PHILOSOPHY IS WITH PROPER THERAPY, PEOPLE CAN TURN THEIR FAMILIES. WITHOUT INTERVENTION, ABUSERS ARE BOUND TO REPEAT THE BEHAVIOR THEY GREW UP LOOKING AT. WHEN I STARTED WORKING WITH DAP, THE STATISTIC WAS QUOTED, ONE OUT OF FOUR WOMEN WOULD EXPERIENCE DOMESTIC OR SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN THEIR LIFETIME. [9:15] **Mickey O'Kane:** UNFORTUNATELY TODAY THAT STATISTIC IS 1 IN 3. THE PROBLEM HAS GOTTEN WORSE. IT WAS EXACERBATED BY THE PANDEMIC. THERAPY SERVICES INCLUDE EVERY MEMBER OF THE FAMILY, FROM CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS INFANTS, THROUGH TEENAGERS, TO ADULT WOMEN AND MEN. 90% OF THE PARTICIPANTS WHO HAVE USED HARM IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS REPORT THEY HAVE NOT USED HARM AGAIN ONE YEAR AFTER THERAPY. 97% OF VICTIM SURVIVORS AND YOUTH SAY THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE AFTER LEAVING THE PROGRAMMING. [10:00] **Mickey O'Kane:** THESE ARE STATISTICS WE CAN BE PROUD OF, BUT IT ALSO MAKES THE WAITING LISTS VERY LONG. I'VE JUST LEARNED ONE INTERESTING STATISTIC I WANT TO SHARE. 70% OF MASS SHOOTERS ARE ALSO PERPETRATORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. I THINK IT'S QUITE SOBERING. IT ALSO SAYS THAT MEN DIFFUSING THEIR ANGER GOES BEYOND THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILIES IT GOES INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. [10:29] **Mickey O'Kane:** WE MAY THINK THAT DV DOESN'T AFFECT ALL OF US, BUT IT DOES. PERSONALLY OR COMMUNALLY, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU. [10:45] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** FINN AND ALIYA? **Finn:** THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO FOR LETTING US SPEAK. TWO MONTHS AGO ON AUGUST 3rd, MY BEST FRIEND SARA WAS KILLED BY A FORMER PARTNER. IT WAS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE. I FELT THE FLOOR FELL BENEATH ME. I MET SARA WHEN I WAS 16 YRS OLD. I EVER SAW. LIME GREEN HAIR AND SPORTING BRIGHT ORANGE JEANS. I WANTED TO BE HER BEST FRIEND. I REMEMBER HER SPEAKING SOPHISTICATEDLY ABOUT A MOVIE WHILE APPLYING AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF KETCHUP ON HER MINNEAPOLIS CHEESE CURDS. OVER [11:31] **Finn:** OUR 15 YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP, WE LIVED TOGETHER MANY TIMES. SHE FILLED OUR HOME WITH WARMTH. WE PASSED DAYS WALKING AROUND THE LAKES TOGETHER. WE HELD EACH OTHER THROUGH LIFE'S HARD MOMENTS AND LAUGHED DURING THE JOYFUL TIMES. SARA WAS BRILLIANT, KIND, AND THOUGHTFUL. HER RESILIENCE HELD LEVITY, AND HELD A SENSE OF WONDER FOR THE WORLD. SARA WAS TRUE BLUE. MY TOUCHSTONE. AND I WILL SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE MISSING AND MOURNING WHAT WAS STOLEN FROM US. [12:03] **Finn:** DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS NOT A PRIVATE MATTER OF DEFENSE BUT PERPETUAL VIOLENCE THAT FRACTURES OUR COMMUNITY. THE LOSS IS PERSONAL AND THE RIPPLES EXTEND FAR AND WIDE. SHE WAS A SISTER, DAUGHTER, FRIEND, ARTIST, MOVIE FANATIC. WHETHER HER CONNECTION TO SARAH WAS CASUAL OR BRIEF OR INTIMATE AND LASTING, OUR COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE DIMMER WITHOUT HER SMILE AND TALENT. [12:36] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU. **Aliya:** SARAH PATRICK LIVED WITH ME AND FINN OFF AND ON AT VARIOUS TIMES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. I CAN'T UNDERSTATE THE IMPACT SHE HAD ON ME AND EVERYONE SHE CAME INTO CONTACT WITH. SHE WAS A BRIGHT, FUNNY, DETERMINED, RESILIENT, KIND, AND LOVING PERSON. SHE YEARNED FOR CONNECTION AND HER OPENNESS, VULNERABILITY, AND WARMTH MADE IT EASY FOR HER TO FIND. SHE QUICKLY MADE FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE WINNING THEM OVER WITH GAMES, TOP MODEL GOSSIP, AND HER ARTWORK. AS THE MOST RECENT ROOMMATE SAID, OUR FRIENDSHIP WASN'T LONG, IT FELT LIKE WE HAD KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR LONGER. [13:14] **Aliya:** I'LL REMEMBER HOW SWEET, GENTLE, AND CHARISMATIC SHE WAS. SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON AND I'LL CHERISH THAT. HER CHILDHOOD FRIEND EMMA DESCRIBES HER AS ONE OF THE BRAVEST, SMARTEST, AND CREATIVE PEOPLE SHE KNEW, ENCOURAGING HER TO BE HERSELF. I FEEL SIMILARLY. SARAH QUICKLY BEFRIENDED ME. OVER THE COURSE OF BIRTHDAYS, HOLIDAYS, AND THE DAY-TO-DAY SHE BECAME LIKE FAMILY. I WORKED FOR YEARS AS A CRISIS ADVOCATE FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. I KNEW THE WARNING SIGNS OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND RECOGNIZED PATTERNS. YOU NEVER THINK THE WORSE WILL HAPPEN TO SOMEONE YOU LOVE. I SAW SARA TRYING TO BREAK THROUGH THE CYCLE. I BELIEVED SHE HAD TIME TO DISENTANGLE, HEAL, AND BUILD [14:00] **Aliya:** THE BRIGHT FUTURE SHE WAS WORKING TOWARD AND DESERVED. LIKE TOO MANY PEOPLE, SARA'S BIG HEART AND CARE FOR OTHERS, EVEN THOSE WHO CAUSED HER HARM, COULD ECLIPSE CONCERN FOR HERSELF. AND IT'S DEVASTATING HER LOVE AND CARE, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SACRED, WAS MET WITH ABUSE AND VIOLENCE. I TRY TO REMEMBER THAT SARAH'S MURDER IS ONE DAY OF HER LIFE. AND IN HER ENTIRE 30, ALMOST 31 YEARS OF LIVING, SHE HAD FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND A COMMUNITY WHO LOVED HER AS FIERCELY AS SHE LOVED THEM. [14:27] **Aliya:** JUST AS I GRIEVE THE TIME WE WERE ROBBED, I'LL BE GRATEFUL EVERY DAY FOR THE TIME WE WERE GIFTED AND I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM HER FAMILY. SO FROM CHRIS AND DEBORAH PATRICK. REMEMBERING OUR DAUGHTER SARAH. SARAH WAS THE FIRST OF TWO DAUGHTERS BORN TO US IN 1992. OUR YOUNGER DAUGHTER, LILY, AGE 14, WAS CLOSE TO SARA AND THEY CONNECTED REGULARLY BY PHONE AND FACETIME. SARA WAS BRIGHT, OUTGOING, AND HAPPY AS A CHILD. [14:56] **Aliya:** SHE ATTENDED CAPITOL HIGH FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE MOVING WITH US TO FLORIDA. WHILE GROWING UP, SHE WAS ACTIVE IN ART AND DRAMA AND PARTICIPATED IN SPORTS OF ALL KINDS. SARA RETURNED TO MINNESOTA FOR COLLEGE AND LATER PAUSED HER STUDIES TO ATTEND TO HER HEALTH. SHE WENT BACK TO SCHOOL TO GET AN ASSOCIATE'S AT MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY AND TECHNICAL COLLEGE IN 2022, AND PLANNED TO CONTINUE STUDYING TOWARD A MEDICAL TECHNICIAN DEGREE NEXT YEAR. SARA WAS A BEAUTIFUL PERSON, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT. SHE WAS A GIFTED GRAPHIC ARTIST, EXCELLING ESPECIALLY IN PAINTING AND HAD A UNIQUE SENSE OF STYLE. SHE WAS KIND TO OTHER PEOPLE AND FORMED DEEP, LASTING FRIENDSHIPS. HER [15:43] **Aliya:** SISTER LILY SAYS SARAH WAS THERE FOR ME AND OTHER PEOPLE. SHE WAS A VERY GOOD LISTENER. I FELT I COULD TALK WITH HER ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON WITH ME WITHOUT BEING JUDGED. I MISS HER SO MUCH. WHEN SARA LAST VISITED US IN FLORIDA LAST SUMMER, WE HAD A FABULOUS TIME TOGETHER AS A FAMILY. WE WERE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO HER NEXT VISIT. THREE OF US LOVE SARA WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS AND WILL HOLD US CLOSE FOR THE REST OF OUR DAYS. [16:10] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU. SIRI, DID YOU WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS? **Siri:** THANK YOU. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS SIRI AND I'M A COMMUNITY RESOURCE MANAGER AT TUBMAN. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO CONNECT WITH ALL OF YOU TO HONOR SARA'S LIFE AND TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AS PART OF WORKING IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ADVOCACY, BECAUSE IT'S WORK I BELIEVE IN. I BELIEVE IN SURVIVOR ADVOCACY AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, AND I KNOW THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A WIDESPREAD ISSUE THAT IMPACTS ALL OF US. IT DOESN'T ONLY IMPACT SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE BUT FRIENDS OF FAMILY, COWORKERS, AND NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AS AN ADVOCATE, I THINK THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO IS OFTEN CHALLENGING AND [16:57] **Siri:** EMOTIONAL, AND I TRY TO LOOK FOR MOMENTS OF HOPE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. THIS YEAR MINNESOTA ENACTED A NEW LAW CREATING THE NATION'S FIRST OFFICE OF MISSING AND MURDERED AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN AND GIRLS. AND THE WHITE HOUSE RECENTLY ESTABLISHED THE FIRST EVER OFFICE OF GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. [17:17] **Siri:** I'M HOPEFUL ABOUT NEW EFFORTS WE SEE IN COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL AND STATE LEVELS, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AS A COMMUNITY. AT TUBMAN, I FEEL GRATEFUL TO WORK IN A SPACE THAT FEELS INCLUSIVE. IT'S AN ANTIVIOLENCE AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION. WE WORK WITH PEOPLE OF ALL GENDERS, BACKGROUNDS, AGES, CULTURAL IDENTITIES. WE PROVIDE SERVICES AND SHELTER AND BEYOND SHELTER, WE WORK IN COURTHOUSES AND SCHOOLS, OUR YOUTH OUTREACH CENTER, COMMUNITY SETTINGS, AND HOMES. WE STRIVE TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT TO REDUCE BARRIERS RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION AND ACCESS. SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER INCLUDE LEGAL HELP, MENTAL HEALTH AND CHEMICAL HEALTH [18:04] **Siri:** SERVICES, SUPPORT GROUPS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, 24/7 CRISIS CENTER INFORMATION LINE, HOUSING AND MORE. WE WORK IN COMMUNITY AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE AROUND US. EACH OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE COCREATED BY THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. WE HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT TUBMAN OR CONNECTING WITH US. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. [18:31] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU. IT'S TRULY OUR HONOR AS A CITY COUNCIL TO BRING THESE IMPORTANT THINGS TO LIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO PAUSE QUICKLY AND TAKE A PHOTO, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR -- ACTUALLY, I SAW YOU IN THE BACK. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. [20:07] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT FOR BRINGING THAT RESOLUTION FORWARD THIS MORNING. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A DEEP SCOURGE HERE IN OUR SOCIETY AND IN THE CITY, AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND RECOGNITION. GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS ANDREA JENKINS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL. WE CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 5th. AND WE HAVE DISPENSED WITH OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESOLUTION. SO NOW I ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [20:47] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. **(Rainville: Present.)** COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. **(Goodman: Present.)** COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. **(Wonsley: Present.)** COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. **(Johnson: Present.)** COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE. **(Payne: Present.)** COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI. **(Koski: Present.)** PRESIDENT PALMISANO. **(Palmisano: Present.)** [21:08] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** THERE ARE 12 MEMBERS PRESENT. LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE HAVE A QUORUM. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** AND I DO WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI IS NOT WITH US THIS MORNING AND IS DEALING WITH SOME HEALTH ISSUES. WE WISH HER THE BEST. NEXT WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA. [21:39] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** COLLEAGUES, AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETINGS BEFORE US. ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA? ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** TAKE A MOTION -- **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION AND I'LL -- I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA. [21:59] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** SECOND. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. GOODMAN. WONSLEY, JOHNSON, PAYNE, KOSKI, CHAVEZ, ELLISON, VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO, PRESIDENT JENKINS. [22:20] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** THERE ARE 12 AYES. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ACCEPTANCE OF THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER. MOTION, PLEASE. **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** SO MOVED. [22:35] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Rainville: Aye.)** GOODMAN. **(Goodman: Aye.)** JOHNSON. **(Johnson: Aye.)** KOSKI. **(Koski: Aye.)** VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. **(Palmisano: Aye.)** PRESIDENT JENKINS. **(Jenkins: Aye.)** [22:51] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** 12 AYES. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** AND THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED. FINALLY, THE REFERRAL OF THE PETITIONS, COMMUNICATIONS, AND REPORTS TO THE PROPER COMMITTEES. A MOTION PLEASE. [23:07] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** SO MOVED. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SECONDED. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. GOODMAN. WONSLEY. JOHNSON. OSMAN. PAYNE. KOSKI. CHAVEZ. [23:24] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** ELLISON. VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. PRESIDENT JENKINS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THERE ARE 12 AYES. THAT CARRIES AND THOSE MATTERS HAVE BEEN REFERRED. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS REPORTS FROM THE STANDING COMMITTEES. AND BEGINNING WITH THE REPORT FROM THE BUSINESS, INSPECTIONS, HOUSING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. [23:40] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** AND THAT REPORT WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** GOOD MORNING. WE'RE BRINGING 12 ITEMS FORWARD FOR APPROVAL THIS MORNING. ITEM ONE IS APPLICATION FOR LIQUOR EXPANSION AT NORWAY HOUSE. TWO IS APPROVING AN APPLICATION FOR SOMALI RESETTLEMENT SERVICES. [24:01] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** ALSO AN EXTENDED HOURS LICENSE AND RENTAL HALL LICENSE. ITEM THREE IS APPROVING FOR THE BRIAR ON SALE, LIQUOR, AND ENTERTAINMENT. FOUR IS THE SILVER FERN, SIMILAR THING ON SALE WINE, STRONG BEER, AND NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. FIVE IS LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE THAT WAS SENT FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. I'M GOING TO PULL THAT ITEM FOR AN AMENDMENT SO I CAN MOVE IT FORWARD. ITEM NUMBER 6 IS A LAND TRANSFER. [24:30] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** THIS IS WITH THE CHIPPEWA. ITEM 7 IS GRANTING CONSENT TO THE NOMINATION OF ENRIQUE VELAZQUEZ. NINE ARE THE RENEWALS, 10 THE GAMBLING LICENSE APPROVALS. [24:49] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** ITEM 11 IS PASSING APPROVAL FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY TO DO SOME BONDS FOR THE LABOR RETREAT APARTMENTS AT 124th STREET SOUTHEAST. AND 12 IS GRANTING A VARIANCE APPEAL AND ADOPTING THE STAFF FINDINGS FOR PROPERTY AT 2648 MARSHALL STREET NORTHEAST. [25:08] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** SPECIAL THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE FOR LITERALLY WORKING THIS OUT. WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD BE! AND REALLY, REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THE WARD WORK THAT WAS DONE ON ITEM NUMBER 12. SO I WILL MOVE ALL ITEMS 1 THROUGH 4, AND 6 THROUGH 12. HOLDING OFF ON ITEM NUMBER 5 FOR AN AMENDMENT. [25:30] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. AS MOVED, THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. AND I'M JUST NOT CLEAR -- ARE YOU PULLING ITEM NUMBER 5? **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** YES. I'M HOLDING OFF ON ITEM NUMBER 5. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT SO IT CAN BE MOVED FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION. [25:49] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN MOVED THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT WITHHOLDING ITEM NUMBER 5 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE AND AMENDMENT. AND I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [26:07] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** [26:24] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. **(Aye)** PRESIDENT JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** IT CARRIES AND I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. [26:41] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** LET ME SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. VELAZQUEZ. WE ARE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND HAVE HIGH HOPES YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PREVIOUS ROLES IN THE CITY. LEANING INTO THIS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT ROLE. WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOU. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE VOTE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. ON ITEM NUMBER 5, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS. IT WAS MOVED FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IN FRONT OF YOU, COLLEAGUES, IS THE ADOPTED LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. [27:16] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** ADJUSTING THE RENTAL LICENSE PER UNIT LICENSE FEE FOR PROPERTIES WITH FOUR OR MORE UNITS FROM THE PROPOSED $5 INCREASE TO A 2% INCREASE FOR THE 2023 UNIT FEE. THIS WOULD RAISE THE BASELINES BY $5 BUT NOT RAISE THE EVERY ADDITIONAL UNIT BY 33%. AND I HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS MAYBE HOW THIS COULD BE HANDLED IN THE FUTURE BETTER FOR LARGER BUILDINGS VERSUS SMALL BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE ALL THE INTERESTING IDEAS ABOUT HOW GOING FORWARD. FOR NOW, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 2% PER UNIT INCREASE. THESE ARE TIER 1 PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND ARE NOT INSPECTED ANNUALLY EITHER. SO I'M NOT ANXIOUS TO RAISE THE FEES 33%. IN ADDITION [28:02] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** TO THAT, I'M MOVING TO POSTPONE SECTION 5, ANIMAL CONTROL WITH THE LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICED IN THE LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, UNDER ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL, WE ACTUALLY CHARGE $1,000 TO ADOPT AN EXOTIC BIRD. SO GUESS HOW MANY EXOTIC BIRDS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. ZERO. MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT'S $1,000! SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, WE GIVE THE EXOTIC BIRDS TO A RESCUE WHO ARE BETTER AT DEALING WITH EXOTIC BIRDS ANYWAY. ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE IS WE CHARGE $50 TO ADOPT A HAMSTER OR GUINEA PIG. [28:51] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** WE END UP GIVING THESE TO RESCUES. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE CAN CLEAR UP HERE RATHER THAN LEAVING THE FEE SCHEDULE THE SAME. I WAS TEMPTED TO JUST MAKE MY OWN CHANGES, BUT I'M GEEKY ABOUT PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW. I'M JUST ASKING TO POSTPONE THIS ON THE FLOOR OF THE COUNCIL WHILE I WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO GET THESE ANIMALS OUT THE DOOR. BECAUSE THE COST FOR US IN TAKING CARE OF THEM IS A PROBLEM. AND IF WE'RE CHARGING A FEE THAT IS PREVENTIVE, IT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE TO CHANGE THAT FEE. SO I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO MR. VELAZQUEZ ABOUT THIS. IT WASN'T THIS MORNING. I DID SPEAK WITH CAROLINE HARTFELDT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. I [29:38] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** DON'T FEEL LIKE I COULD MAKE CHANGES THAT I FELT WERE APPROPRIATE. IF YOU HAVE INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THE ANIMALS AND THE FEE SCHEDULE, PLEASE LOOK ME UP! HAPPY TO HAVE ANYONE ELSE WORK ON IT, AS WELL. SO MADAM PRESIDENT, THE AMENDMENT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M MOVING THE ENTIRE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CHANGE IN RENTAL LICENSE FEES AND POSTPONING THE ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL FEES ON THE FLOOR. THAT WILL COME FORWARD IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. [30:03] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** I'LL SECOND BOTH OF THOSE. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN HAS MOVED THIS AMENDMENT TO THE 2024 LICENSE FEE SCHEDULE. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED BY VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COLLEAGUES? CALL THE ROLL. [30:32] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** [30:48] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. THAT ITEM CARRIES AND THAT COMPLETES THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY REPORT. NEXT WE HAVE THE REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. [31:14] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS COMING FROM COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS CYCLE. THE FIRST IS THE MUNICIPAL SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS ANALYSIS. IT'S A DIRECTION TO OUR CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND THE POLICY AND RESEARCH GROUP. THE SECOND IS THE 2024 COUNCIL TRANSITION CALENDAR. IT JUST HELPS GET US THROUGH UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL CAN FORMALLY ADOPT A FULL CALENDAR FOR THE YEAR. I'LL MOVE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. [31:40] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COLLEAGUES? [31:58] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. [32:14] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** I WANT TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI. GOOD MORNING. AND OUR NEXT COMMITTEE REPORT IS THE POLICY AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. AND THAT REPORT WILL BE PRESENTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. [32:41] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD 19 ITEMS FOR APPROVAL. AND ONE IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO A CLOSED SESSION, I BELIEVE. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE NATIONAL BOARD OF PUBLIC HEALTH EXAMINERS OF TRAVEL EXPENSES. TWO IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE MIDWEST CLIMATE RESILIENCE CONFERENCE AND TRAVEL EXPENSES. THREE IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FROM THE LINCOLN INSTITUTE OF LAND POLICY OF TRAVEL EXPENSES. FOUR IS ACCEPTING A BID FOR HAULING AND DISPOSAL OF WASTE MATERIALS. [33:13] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** FIVE IS ACCEPTING A BID FOR FRIDLEY SOFTENING PLANT RAIL AREA STRUCTURE REHABILITATION. SIX IS ACCEPTING A BID FOR HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL. SEVEN IS AUTHORIZING THE MASTER CONTRACT WITH GOOD WORKS CONSULTING LLC FOR BELONGING, EQUITY, INCLUSION, ANTIRACISM LEARNING WEB AND ORGANIZATIONAL SERVICES. EIGHT IS MASTER CONTRACTS WITH VARIOUS VENDORS FOR WORKPLACE INVESTIGATIONS OF SERVICE. NINE IS AUTHORIZING CONTRACT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES INC. TO PROVIDE A COMPUTER-ASSISTED MASS APPRAISAL SYSTEM. 10 IS AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH ICS FOR PROJECT REPRESENTATIVITY SERVICES FOR THE CITY HALL OFFICE SPACE RENOVATION PROJECT. 11 IS LEGAL SETTLEMENT APPROVAL [34:02] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** FOR JOE CRAPSER AND DEMIA CRAPSER VERSUS THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND ALAN COBB. AND 17 IS THE SUBJECT OF OUR CLOSED SESSION TODAY. I WON'T BE MOVING ITEM 17. 20 IS AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT WITH ZENCITY TECHNOLOGIES U.S. INC. FOR COMMUNITY PERCEPTION SURVEYING. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL THE ITEMS EXCEPT ITEM 17, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT ITEM NUMBER 20 SHOULD BE PULLED FOR A SEPARATE VOTE. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SORT OF -- I THINK THAT'LL BE REQUESTED ANYWAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR ITEM 20 TO BE PULLED FOR A SEPARATE ROLL CALL VOTE. [35:04] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON HAS MOVED THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT, PULLING ITEMS NUMBER 17 AND 20 FOR SEPARATE VOTE. I SEE IN QUEUE FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. [35:30] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD ITEM NUMBER 17. I BELIEVE AFTER WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR CLOSED SESSION CONSULTATION, WE MIGHT BE READY TO ACT ON THAT. I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. AND NEXT IN QUEUE IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. [35:50] **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT JENKINS. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT 12, 13, 15, 16, AND 18 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE. THESE CAN BE TAKEN IN THE SAME VOTE, BUT SEPARATELY FROM 17 AND 20. [36:11] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SO ITEMS 12 THROUGH 16 -- **Council Member Jason Chavez:** CORRECT. AND THEN 18. YEAH, NOT 14. 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, AND 19. [36:44] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. ARE YOU REQUESTING TO VOTE ON THOSE AS ONE ITEM OR EACH ITEM FOR A SEPARATE VOTE? **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT JENKINS. I WANT TO PULL OUT FOR A SEPARATE VOTE AND THESE CAN BE THE SAME VOTE, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO BE -- A SIMILAR VOTE ON ALL THE ITEMS. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR PROCESS. IF WE WANT TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, HAPPY TO DO SO. 12, 13, 15, 16, AND 18. I WANT TO PULL OUT FOR A SEPARATE VOTE BECAUSE I WANT TO VOTE "NO." I WANT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE CLERK. [37:29] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** DID I ALSO HEAR 19? **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THE FIRST ITEM IS 1 THROUGH 11. I HEARD NO OBJECTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON ITEMS 1 THROUGH 11, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THOSE ITEMS. [37:57] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** [38:13] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT CARRIES AND THOSE ITEMS ARE ADOPTED. AND SO NOW WE ARE ON ITEMS -- **City Clerk Casey Carl:** 12, 13, 15, 16, AND 18. [38:39] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON IS IN THE QUEUE. **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** AM I CORRECT IN HEARING THAT ITEMS 14 AND 19 ALSO HAD NO OBJECTIONS? **City Clerk Casey Carl:** 17 IS CLOSED SESSION. YEP. 14 AND 19 WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION. I FIGURED WE COULD MOVE THOSE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE OTHER DISCUSSION. [39:34] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** MR. CLERK, IF YOU DON'T MIND -- **City Clerk Casey Carl:** IT SEEMS WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON 14, WHICH IS THE WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIM, AND NUMBER 19, WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIM FROM CATHY COOPER, AND THEY CAN BE VOTED ON TOGETHER. [39:52] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ITEMS 14 AND 19. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. -- OSMAN. **(Aye)** KOSKI. [40:07] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT CARRIES AND THE ITEMS ARE ADOPTED. NEXT WE ARE VOTING ON ITEMS NUMBER 12, 13, 15, 16, AND 18. [40:39] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY -- **Council Member Jason Chavez:** I WAS PULLING THEM OUT TO VOTE NO TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE CLERKS. THANK YOU. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THOSE ITEMS. [41:00] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Nay)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(No)** CHAVEZ. **(No)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** [41:16] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** VETAW. **(Aye)** VICE PRESIDENT PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** 10 AYES AND THREE NAYS. THOSE ITEMS CARRY. NUMBER 20. THIS IS THE CONTRACT PROPOSED WITH ZENCITY TECHNOLOGIES LISTED AS NUMBER 20 ON THE AGENDA. [41:43] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. SO WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 20. I'M NOT SURE WHO PULLED THAT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I PULLED THIS ITEM. IT WAS ON POGO A COUPLE OF CYCLES AGO. WE DELAYED IT TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION AND TO MAYBE ASK SOME QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT TAKING THE CONTRACT AT FACE VALUE, I COULD SEE THIS KIND OF DATA PLAYING A ROLE, BUT IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. IT DOES FEEL LIKE A PERCEPTION SURVEY, AT LEAST FOR ME, IS NOT RISING TO THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME EXECUTION OF [42:46] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WILL CHANGE PERCEPTIONS BEFORE WE'RE SORT OF TAKING A MEASURE OF PERCEPTION. I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL GET A SENSE THROUGH A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE DO, WHAT SOME OF THE PERCEPTION ISSUES ARE, WITHIN MPD AND HONESTLY FOR THE WHOLE CITY. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED THIS KIND OF DATA AT THIS MOMENT. I ALSO -- AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THUS FAR, THIS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CONSENT DECREES THAT WE'RE EITHER UNDER OR GOING TO BE UNDER. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT [43:32] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** OF OVERSIGHT WITH THOSE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THAT GET EXECUTED, AS WELL, BEFORE WE'RE SORT OF TAKING INVENTORY OF PERCEPTION OF THE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT. THAT'S WHY I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST IT TODAY. AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN INDICTMENT ON ZENCITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THIS IS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD RISE TO THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY, ESPECIALLY FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WHEN WE'RE ALREADY POURING SO MUCH MONEY INTO THE DEPARTMENT AND INTO REFORMS AND INTO THE CONSENT DECREES. THANK YOU. [44:07] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. NEXT IN QUEUE IS COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE. **Council Member Elliott Payne:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I ORIGINALLY HAD A HUGE AMOUNT OF HESITATION WITH THIS CONTRACT BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS DOING SOME SOCIAL MEDIA SCANNIG TO GET REAL-TIME SENTIMENT ANALYSIS. AND THAT FELT VERY MUCH LIKE SURVEILLANCE. BUT I THANK THE CHIEF FOR SETTING UP A ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE VENDOR. THEY WERE ABLE TO WALK ME THROUGH CAPABILITY OF THE PLATFORM. I SEE THE VALUE OF THIS. ESPECIALLY GETTING SOME BASELINE DATA SO WHEN WE DO START DOING SOME OF THESE INTERVENTIONS, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THOSE PERCEPTIONS. NOW, MY HESITATION IS I DON'T THINK THE PLATFORM -- WELL, I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN SOFTWARE AND DIGITAL ADVERTISING. WHAT THE PLATFORM DOES IS ESSENTIALLY PRODUCE SURVEYS THEY PUT DIGITAL AD SPEND BEHIND SO WE'RE DOING THIS KIND OF CONTINUOUS SURVEYING ABOUT [45:13] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** THE SENTIMENT. IT'S AN OPT-IN THING. IT'S AN AD ON INSTAGRAM YOU CLICK ON AND SAY YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE THE POLICE, ESSENTIALLY. IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN GET A BASELINE AROUND DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LESS SOPHISTICATED THAN THIS PLATFORM. AND I THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE EXCLUSIVE TO THE POLICE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PLATFORM HAS THE CAPABILITY TO DO IS NOT JUST GET THE SENTIMENT AND PERCEPTION OF HOW THE POLICE ARE DOING. IT CAN GET HOW THE CITY IS DOING. [45:46] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A PLATFORM THAT IS THIS SOPHISTICATED, OR AT LEAST THIS EXPENSIVE, WE SHOULDN'T NARROW IT JUST TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE PLATFORM IS WE NEED TO HAVE A LEVEL OF MATURITY AS AN ORGANIZATION TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THIS KIND OF DATA. AND WE USED TO HAVE A TEAM THAT DID THIS STUFF. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF DEVELOPING BCR, WE DID A SURVEY TO GET SOME PERCEPTIONS AROUND THE ROLE OF POLICE AS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSES. AND WE DID THE DATA ANALYSIS ON OUR TEAM. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE STAFF MEMBERS HERE ANYMORE, AS A PART OF PMI. WE'RE REBUILDING IT NOW. WE HAVE SOME ANALYSTS. I [46:31] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THOSE ANALYSTS TO GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY A LITTLE BIT DEVELOPING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SIMPLISTIC APPROACH TO GETTING BASELINE DATA. USING SOMETHING AS BASIC AS BUILDING OUT SURVEY MONKEY AND PUTTING AD SPEND BEHIND IT. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT FOR, ACTUALLY, SOMETHING ROBUST FOR $100,000 RATHER THAN $500,000. SO I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME MORE WORK THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON OUR SIDE TO GET TO THAT BASELINE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING THIS MUCH MONEY. BUT I AM OPEN TO THIS PROCESS. BUT TODAY I THINK I'M A NO. [47:14] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE ITEM WAS HELD OVER FOR A CYCLE SO WE COULD GET ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION AROUND IT. ONLY NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A $500,000 CONTRACT ON OUR AGENDA, IT'S ACTUALLY BROKEN OUT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. AND THE CITY CAN CANCEL IT AT ANY TIME. SO IT'S $166,000 A YEAR. IF MPD GOES THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, DOESN'T FIND VALUE IN [47:59] **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** IT, WE CAN CANCEL IT AND WE DON'T OWE THE REMAINDER OF THE $500,000. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DETAIL. LOOK, WE HAVE A NEW CHIEF. HE'S TRYING SOME NEW THINGS. I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD GIVE HIM SOME SPACE TO TRY. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE GETS A BLANK CHECK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T SCRUTINIZE THINGS, BUT THIS SEEMS REASONABLE. HE IS TRYING TO USE DATA TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS THEY'RE DOING ARE WORKING. IF THE PUBLIC IS NOTICING. IF THE COMMUNITY IS NOTICING. IF THE FEELING OF SAFETY IS HIGHER. THEY'RE ALSO TAKING EVIDENCE-BASED DATA [48:45] **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** SCIENTIST-DESIGNED APPROACHES ON HOW TO USE THE DATA TO PUT IN ACTIONABLE CHANGES. AND SO I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. HOPEFULLY THIS TOOL WILL PROVIDE VALUE. IF IT DOESN'T, I EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PULL THE PLUG ON IT. BUT I THINK LET'S GIVE IT A TRY. A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT, AND THEY'RE FINDING VALUE IN IT, TOO. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL. I SUPPORT THIS ITEM AND ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO. [49:09] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. NEXT IS COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM THE CHIEF AND JUST HOW THIS WILL HELP HIM DO HIS JOB BETTER AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS. GOOD MORNING, CHIEF. WELCOME. [49:36] **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, YES. YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY URGENT TO ME. LAST FRIDAY MADE A YEAR AGO I MADE MY TRIP TO MINNEAPOLIS WHEN THE MAYOR ANNOUNCED MY NOMINATION. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. BUT LIKE THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A BASELINE FOR A LOT OF THESE ISSUES. IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT POLICE PERCEPTION OF POLICE IN COMMUNITY, BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT. IT'S A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE. BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT SENSES OF SAFETY. I MENTIONED TO THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEETING HERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW VERY [50:22] **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** WELL WHERE THE MOST SERIOUS CRIME IS HAPPENING. THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME THAT GOES UNREPORTED, AS WELL. AND OFTENTIMES THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW ABOUT THAT IS THROUGH SURVEYS. AND SO THESE TYPES OF THINGS, I THINK YOU KNOW, I'M THE POLICE CHIEF, SO THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STUFF IN THE WORLD IN THIS CITY TO ME. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS. IT'S DATA THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY, AND THIS INFORMATION IS HELPFUL TO THEM, AS WELL. THE DIRECTOR OF PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT AND INNOVATION, ALSO, AGREES THIS IS INFORMATION THAT IS HELPFUL TO THEIR WORK. BECAUSE JUST [51:09] **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** PERCEPTION OF CRIME AND FEELINGS OF SAFETY AND WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT—TO MEASURE THAT IN SOME CONSISTENT WAY OVER TIME—IS HELPFUL ON AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL AND THAT'S JUST INFORMATION THAT WE COMPLETELY DON'T HAVE. WE HAVE ANECDOTAL STORIES, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST LIKELY TO CALL US. BUT WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY BUT ARE HERE CONSISTENTLY, AND THEIR CELL PHONES ARE HERE CONSISTENTLY. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT ENOUGH AND IT'S URGENT ENOUGH THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO UNIVERSITY AND GOING TO SOME OF [51:54] **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** THE FOUNDATIONS TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE IN SURVEY PROCESSES. BUT THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE THING THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE ON A MORE OPERATIONAL LEVEL. WE NEED TO DO BIGGER THINGS, AND WE'LL LIKELY BE REQUIRED TO DO BIGGER THINGS, IN TERMS OF MORE ROBUST, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH-BASED SURVEYS. BUT THAT STUFF TAKES A LONG TIME. AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED A YEAR LATER. [52:20] **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE CONSISTENTLY ON AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL, AND KIND OF SEE, BASED ON DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, HOW WE'RE DOING. WE MIGHT SEE PROBLEMS WE MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF. IT'S JUST -- IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, I THINK IS JUST URGENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO THINGS—CRIME, SAFETY, AND RESIDENTS' PERCEPTIONS OF OUR OFFICERS—ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR ME. [52:49] **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU, CHIEF. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? **Police Chief Brian O'Hara:** THANK YOU. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. NEXT IN QUEUE IS COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. [53:06] **Council Member Michael Rainville:** THANK YOU. CHIEF, I'LL BE VOTING FOR THIS. I WANT TO SUPPORT YOU AND GIVE YOU THE TOOLS YOU NEED TO SUCCEED. I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THE BOARD'S PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT, HEARING THE STORIES OF ALL THE BRAVE OFFICERS AND THE COURAGE THEY EXEMPLIFY WHEN THEY SERVE US. I WISH MANY COULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO HEAR ABOUT THE OFFICER OF THE YEAR IN THE THIRD PRECINCT. THAT YOUNG MAN IS DOING ONE HECK OF A JOB PATROLLING STREETS. I'M SO PROUD TO SEE THE FIRST PRECINCT WATCH GET THE CITATION AWARD. [53:42] **Council Member Michael Rainville:** THE UNIT CITATION. SO THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT JOB YOU'RE DOING, AND ALL OF THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICERS. AND I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WILL JUST ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE'S INITIAL COMMENTS. THAT WE NEED A BASELINE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND ONCE WE GET THE RESULTS—THE BEGINNING PERCEPTION AND THE SUBSEQUENT PERCEPTION, AS IT, HOPEFULLY, CHANGES. OTHERWISE [54:27] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** IT'S SORT OF INCONSEQUENTIAL TO DO THE WORK, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BASELINE. SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM, AS WELL. AND SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON ITEM NUMBER 20. [54:47] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(No)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(No)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(No)** CHAVEZ. [55:03] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** **(No)** ELLISON. **(No)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** EIGHT AYES AND FIVE NAYS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT ITEM CARRIES. NEXT COMMITTEE REPORT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE. THAT REPORT WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. [55:45] **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE IS BRINGING FORWARD FOUR ITEMS. ITEM 1 IS ACCEPTING A GRANT FROM THE CDC FOR RACIAL AND ETHNIC APPROACHES TO COMMUNITY HEALTH. ITEM 2 IS ACCEPTING A GRANT FROM THE U.S. [56:01] **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO IMPLEMENT PREVENTION STRATEGIES FOR COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM USING PUBLIC HEALTH METHODS. THREE IS ACCEPTING ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDS FROM THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR FAMILY HOME VISITING SERVICES, AND ITEM FOUR IS DIRECTING THE CITY AUDITOR TO CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS OF MUNICIPAL STRATEGIES TO DETER AND PREVENT AUTO THEFT. I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THESE ITEMS. [56:28] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. CHAIR HAS MOVED THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. AND I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE IN QUEUE FOR DISCUSSION. **Council Member Elliott Payne:** I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 2 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE AND DISCUSSION. [56:47] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON ITEMS 1, 3, AND 4. [57:04] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. [57:19] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** THERE ARE 13 AYES. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** AND THAT CARRIES AND I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE ON ITEM NUMBER 2. [57:34] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I LOOKED INTO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PROGRAM, AND FOUND THAT IT -- IT'S SOMETHING I CAN'T SIT WITH. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY RAISED SOME OF THE ISSUES IN COMMITTEE. BUT THIS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES. VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON MUSLIM COMMUNITIES, AND, I MEAN, I HAVE TO SHARE A PERSONAL ANECDOTAL STORY. DURING THE UNREST IN 2020, IN MY LITTLE SLEEPY CORNER OF NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS, IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY QUIET. BUT I ACTUALLY STAYED UP ALL NIGHT EVERY ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE VERY FEW BLACK PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. I WASN'T WORRIED [58:22] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** ABOUT ANTIFA SETTING FIRES, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT BEING A RECOGNIZABLE BLACK MAN IN A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACISTS COMING AND FINDING ME. SO I VIGILANTLY STAYED UP ALL NIGHT, EVERY NIGHT. TERRIFIED. I WAS TERRIFIED. THAT'S TERROR. AND THIS GRANT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT TYPE OF TERRORISM AT ALL. AND IT'S NOT FOCUSED ON THAT TYPE OF ISSUE AT ALL. AND I THINK THAT I'M CERTAINLY -- I FEEL MORE SAFE AROUND MY EAST AFRICAN NEIGHBORS THAN I DO AROUND SOMEBODY WHO ASSOCIATES WITH THE BOOGALOO BOYS. THERE'S A PERSON DOWN THE STREET ASSOCIATED WITH [59:08] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** NEONAZIS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A FIRE STORM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE RELEVANT ABOUT THE ACTUAL RISKS OF TERRORISM IN AMERICA TODAY. I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT VOTING FOR THIS. [59:27] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. **Council Member Jason Chavez:** COUNCIL PRESIDENT JENKINS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS GRANT. PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM AND THE TARGETED VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM PREVENTION GRANT PROGRAM. MY CONSTITUENTS, IN PARTICULAR, HAVE REPEATEDLY COMMUNICATED ABOUT THE BROKEN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND THIS PROGRAM. THEY HAVE FELT SURVEILLED AND TARGETED. [59:54] **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THIS GRANT WILL BE AN -- THEY HAVE A BIG MUSLIM COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A BIG CONCERN OF WHY THE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING CHOSEN. AND THERE HAVE BEEN ACCUSATIONS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS—PEOPLE THAT TALKED TO ME—THAT THEY HAVE FELT THEY'RE BEING TARGETED AS MUSLIM AMERICANS, AND THE MINIMIZATION FROM THE GRANTS TO GO AFTER FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISM. [1:00:17] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY IT EXCLUDES FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISM? **Council Member Jason Chavez:** I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE TALKED TO ME AND HAVE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE FELT THAT AS MUSLIM AMERICANS, THESE GRANTS HAVE MINIMIZED WORK TO GO AFTER FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISM, AND INSTEAD HAVE GONE AFTER FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. [1:00:46] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, I GUESS JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON CHAVEZ'S POINT, ESPECIALLY COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY VERY POINTEDLY MENTIONED HOW THIS WAS GOING TO BE FOCUSED IN BLACK AND MOSTLY BLACK IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. [1:01:10] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** CVE WAS SOMETHING DIVISIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND I THINK IT PROMOTES THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT ARE FOSTERING TERRORISTS. THAT ARE CREATING TERRORISTS. I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE. I THINK IT CREATES THE WRONG IDEA. I THINK IT CAN BE INSIDIOUS BY HOW IT LEVERAGES THE NEED FOR YOUTH PROGRAMMING AND TARGETING YOUTH AS A WAY TO SURVEIL THEM AND EVENTUALLY ACCUSE THEM OF THINGS. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST. SO, YEAH, WITHOUT CONSIDERABLE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY. [1:02:01] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN. **Council Member Jamal Osman:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I AM IN STRONG DISAPPROVAL OF THESE KINDS OF TACTICS. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY—MUSLIM COMMUNITY, MINORITY COMMUNITY—HAVE BEEN TARGETED SINCE SEPTEMBER 11, IN THE NAME OF PREVENTION OF EXTREME TERRORISM. MINNEAPOLIS HAS A LARGE POPULATION OF EAST AFRICAN MUSLIMS, AND THIS KIND OF SPECIFIC TARGET IS AN ISSUE. MUSLIM COMMUNITIES, [1:02:47] **Council Member Jamal Osman:** YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN TARGETED. BUT ALSO THIS KIND OF SURVEILLANCE NEVER DOES ANYTHING GOOD TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD PREFER THAT WE LOOK INTO WHO WE'RE VOTING FOR, RATHER THAN SINGLING OUT ONE COMMUNITY IN THE NAME OF TERRORIST PREVENTION. THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS FEARFUL ABOUT. AND IN THE TIME OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S TIME, WE [1:03:33] **Council Member Jamal Osman:** HAD THE TOUGHEST -- BUT I THINK MINNEAPOLIS HAS TAKEN THE OATH TO BE A SAFE CITY FOR ALL. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED THIS TARGETS A SPECIFIC -- I DON'T SEE ANY GOOD IT'LL BRING. SO, YEAH, I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS. AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU CONSIDER THE KIND OF MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. [1:04:17] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI. **Council Member Aisha Chughtai:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I THINK FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT LIVED IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED PROGRAMS LIKE CVE, IT MIGHT BE HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT FEELS LIKE SUCH A BIG DEAL. I WANT TO SHED SOME LIGHT INTO WHY IT IS A BIG DEAL. THE ISSUE—AND I'LL SAY THIS AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN POST 9/11 AMERICA AND SPENT MOST OF MY CHILDHOOD AND MY TEENAGE [1:05:03] **Council Member Aisha Chughtai:** YEARS AS A YOUTH THAT WAS TARGETED BY A LOT OF ANTITERRORISM PROGRAMS. CVE, OR COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM, WAS A POST 9/11 STRATEGY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WHEN IT FIRST CAME TO EXIST, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LOT OF -- IT WASN'T PERCEIVED AS A NEGATIVE THING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT AWAY. [1:05:38] **Council Member Aisha Chughtai:** FOR AWHILE, BECAUSE IT WAS MONEY THAT WAS BEING GIVEN TO MOSQUES AND ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFITS, YOUTH LEADERS WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITY FOR US TO RUN, YOU KNOW, AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS. EXCEPT WHAT THEY SAID TO US—WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID—IS, "HERE IS SOME MONEY. RUN YOUR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. KEEP A LIST OF EVERY SINGLE CHILD AND THEIR ADDRESS AND THEIR AGE AND WHERE THEY LIVE." AND THEN THOSE PROGRAMS TURNED INTO SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS. AND THEN IN THIS CITY, IN MINNEAPOLIS, KIDS MY AGE ARE SERVING OUT 30 YEARS FOR CRIMES THEY DIDN'T COMMIT, FOR [1:06:24] **Council Member Aisha Chughtai:** ENTRAPMENT CASES BY THE FBI. AND THOSE WERE -- THEY TOOK THE EASY -- OR, LIKE, ACCEPTED PLEA DEALS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME HOPE OF GETTING OUT OF PRISON AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES. THAT'S WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES. THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, "HARMLESS MONEY" FOR VIOLENCE PREVENTION AGAINST TERRORISM TURNS INTO FOR OUR COMMUNITY: HYPER-SURVEILLANCE. IT MEANS OUR KIDS ARE WATCHED LIKE THEY'RE A PROBLEM. WE SHOULD LEARN OUR LESSON FROM WHAT HAPPENED WITH CVE. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROGRAM. [1:07:29] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GOODMAN. **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. I WASN'T IN COMMITTEE. I DIDN'T HEAR A DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE. SO ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS NEW TO ME AT THIS MOMENT. AND I DON'T SEE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE. SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WAY OF JUDGING WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE OR NOT. I THINK THE MOST PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT, TO ME, CAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ WHO POINTED OUT THIS IS HAPPENING IN HIS WARD AND HE DOESN'T LIKE IT. [1:08:09] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS PROMOTED. IT'S NOT COMING FROM MPD. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR SOMETHING WHEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE WARD KNOW THE ACTIVITY IS GOING ON IN THEIR WARD AND THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I DO TEND TO GO ALONG WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE WARD WHO ARE AFFECTED, AND SO COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ'S COMMENTS ARE [1:08:55] **Council Member Lisa Goodman:** MEANINGFUL. AND I GUESS WHAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD HEAR IS THAT EVERYONE DOESN'T COME TO THE COUNCIL WITH A PREDETERMINED OPINION. SOMETIMES A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS IS SUPER USEFUL. I DON'T THINK I HAVE THIS PROGRAM OPERATING IN MY WARD. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? I MEAN, THIS REQUIRES NINE VOTES. I CAN COUNT. SO I'M NOT SURE IT'S EVEN WORTH IT. BUT I FEEL LIKE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SHOULD MAKE THEIR CASE. [1:09:45] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. CAN WE HEAR FROM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE? **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY RAISED SOME CONCERN IN COMMITTEE. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DID SPEAK TO THOSE CONCERNS, AND I PERSONALLY THOUGHT WE HAD CLEARED THINGS UP. I DON'T KNOW WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY LANDED, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION IN COMMITTEE, IF NECESSARY, OR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. CLARITY WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE BEFORE WE TAKE A FINAL VOTE. [1:10:37] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** WHAT'S THE REQUEST? **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. EITHER PHS OR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. SO EVERYONE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO RETURN THIS TO COMMITTEE? [1:10:53] **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** YES. **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** SECOND. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** CHAIR VETAW HAS MOVED TO RETURN THIS ITEM TO COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. NEXT IN QUEUE ON THE MOTION TO REFER TO COMMITTEE IS COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. [1:11:19] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** YEAH. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION. AS COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW NOTED, WE DID RECEIVE RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS THAT I SPECIFICALLY RAISED IN COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS ITEM. AND I VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS DID NOT RECEIVE AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE. ANOTHER WAY TO SEE THAT IS LITERALLY READ THE RCA. ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS IS HIGHLIGHTED -- RIGHT NOW READING IT MYSELF. THE PILLAR OF [1:12:04] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** PREVENTION SHOULD BE THE CORE OF BUILDING A HEALTHY COMMUNITY EVEN IF THE ACTIVITIES THAT STRENGTHEN IT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY LABELED AS CVE OR CARRIED OUT BY ENTITIES EXCLUSIVELY DEVOTED TO CVE. EVEN THE RCA ACKNOWLEDGED A CONNECTION TO THE CVE PROGRAM THAT, AGAIN, HAS HISTORICALLY TARGETED MUSLIM BLACK YOUTH. [1:12:41] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** IT'S CONCERNING THAT THERE IS STILL A BLIND SPOT WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING RECEIVING GRANTS OF HOW THEY'RE PROMOTING CONTINUED ISLAMOPHOBIA. WE'VE SEEN HATE CRIMES RISE AMONGST WHITE SUPREMACISTS. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CHECK OUT THE RCA. IT'S PRETTY EXPLICITLY DOCUMENTED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS AFFILIATED WITH. [1:13:31] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** I WAS GOING TO MOVE THIS ITEM BACK TO COMMITTEE. I'M GLAD THAT THE CHAIR WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. AND HAPPY TO SECOND IT. THANK YOU. [1:13:49] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL SAY COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY RAISED THE ISSUES AND WE DID HAVE A COMPONENT OF THIS CONVERSATION. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ANSWERED IT IN A WAY I FELT COMFORTABLE TO VOTE YES FOR IT IN COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, IT'S THROUGH DEEPER RESEARCH ON THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PROGRAM. IT ALL SOUNDS WELL AND GOOD, BUT THE ISSUE IS THOSE DOLLARS CAN THEN GET FLIPPED AND CONVERTED INTO A SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM. I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN COMMITTEE. [1:14:40] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE, I HEARD OUR COLLEAGUES' CONCERNS BUT THEN FELT LIKE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD SATISFIED THEM AT THE TIME. I APPRECIATE THE THINGS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID HERE THIS MORNING—THAT DOING THIS IS MINIMIZING OTHER KINDS OF EXTREMISM. THERE ARE SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS AND PROBABLY FACTS [1:15:25] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** AROUND THE SURVEILLANCE HERE. AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN SAID, I IMAGINE THAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE PUT INTO PLACE POST 9/11. WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF A DISCUSSION AT COMMITTEE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. BUT ON A BROADER LEVEL, LET'S MAYBE ALSO CHANGE OUR FILTERS AS TO HOW GRANTS COME FORWARD TO US SO THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MAY INCLUDE ELEMENTS OF SURVEILLANCE ARE JUST NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. [1:16:36] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU. I WOULD RATHER IT COME BACK TO PHS, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MY OFFICE SENDS OUT AN INVITATION FOR EVERYONE TO ATTEND THE MEETING WHEN IT COMES BACK UP. [1:16:55] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. SO THE MOTION BEFORE US IS TO REFER THIS ITEM NUMBER 2, TARGETED VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM PREVENTION GRANT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION, CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [1:17:22] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT CARRIES AND THAT ITEM IS REFERRED BACK. AND THE NEXT REPORT BEFORE US IS PUBLIC WORKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE REPORT PRESENTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. [1:18:08] **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE PUBLIC WORKS INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE IS BRINGING FORWARD FOUR ITEMS THIS CYCLE. THE FIRST IS WATER AND SEWER SERVICE LINE REPAIR ASSESSMENTS. THE SECOND IS THE APPLICATION FOR 2024 STATE PARK ROAD ACCOUNT PROGRAM FUNDING SOLICITATION. [1:18:33] **Council Member Andrew Johnson:** THE THIRD IS AMENDMENT TO COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY FOR PROPOSED MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS ALONG LAKE STREET AND AVENUE. FOUR IS A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTION FOR ANALYSIS OF NEW PROGRAM TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR WATER AND SERVICE LINE FAILURES. I'LL MOVE ALL THESE ITEMS. [1:18:54] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON HAS MOVED THE REPORT. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [1:19:11] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** 13 AYES. THAT CARRIES. [1:19:26] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS NOTICE OF ORDINANCE INTRODUCTIONS. THERE IS ONE NOTICE THAT AMENDS THE STREET AND SIDEWALK PORTION OF THE CODE THAT I AM SPONSORING. THAT IS A COMPLETE REVISION OF THE TWO CHAPTERS RELATED TO PARADES AND RACES AND BLOCK EVENTS. THIS NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN AND NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED AT THIS TIME. [1:20:12] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** NEXT WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION AND REFERRAL CALENDAR. FIRST COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE WILL BE INTRODUCING THE FIRST READING TO AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LICENSING CODE RELATED TO SECURITY, OPERATIONS, AND MANAGEMENT OF OPEN-AIR MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING LOTS. [1:20:52] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SECOND, COUNCIL MEMBERS WONSLEY, CHAVEZ, AND OSMAN WILL BE INTRODUCING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LICENSING CODE RELATED TO ESTABLISHING MINIMUM DRIVER COMPENSATION FOR TRANSPORTATION RIDE-SHARE WORKERS. AND, FINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS WONSLEY, CHAVEZ, AND OSMAN WILL BE INTRODUCING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LICENSING CODE RELATED TO TRANSPARENCY, SAFETY, AND WORKER PROTECTIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION RIDE-SHARE WORKERS. FIRST IN QUEUE IS COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. [1:21:43] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WANT TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARITY ABOUT THE RIDE-SHARE PROTECTIONS. WE REOPENED BOTH CHAPTERS BECAUSE WE'RE RESTARTING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, AS WELL AS WORKING TO HEAR THE MAYOR'S FEEDBACK. WE'RE DOING A SECOND ROUND OF THESE GATHERINGS OR MEETING WITH EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND WORKING WITH THE CLERKS AND THE CITY ATTORNEYS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY [1:22:28] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD CHANGES THAT CAN ALSO BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE. WE'RE ALSO STAYING IN TOUCH WITH DRIVERS AND NATIONAL EXPERTS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GOAL OF PASSING THE POLICY THAT GUARANTEES DRIVERS AND RIDERS THE RIGHTS THEY DESERVE. [1:22:55] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I THINK THEY'RE MAYBE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB. THEY APPRECIATE HOW YOU'VE BEEN ENGAGING ALL OF US. WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROCESS ORIENTED. BECAUSE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS FULLY VETOED AND DID NOT SURVIVE A VETO OVERRIDE. IT'S PERHAPS THE DEADEST PIECE OF LEGISLATION YOU CAN HAVE. AND THEN IT'S COME BACK INTO ANOTHER INTRODUCTION AND REFERRAL. [1:23:40] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** HAS THIS LANGUAGE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT SURVIVED A VETO BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? COULD SOMEONE HELP ME ANSWER IF THE NEW LANGUAGE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD TODAY HAS BEEN REVIEWED YET BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? [1:24:26] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CVP. I DON'T THINK THAT OUR OFFICE HAS SEEN NEW ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT AUTHORS ARE DETERMINING WHAT AMENDMENTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE PART OF THIS. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE COUNCIL'S ROLES REQUIRE THAT IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TO COME BACK, IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIATIVELY DIFFERENT. WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T, I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT TO KNOW WHAT THE AMENDMENTS ARE. [1:25:11] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** YEAH. I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. ALL WE DID WAS OPEN THE CALL. WE HAVE NOT MADE IT TO THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING LANGUAGE OR DOING THE FIRST READING, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD INVOLVE AN ACTUAL DRAFT BEFORE YOU TO CONSIDER. SO THERE IS NO LANGUAGE CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU. WE'RE STILL VERY EARLY IN THE [1:25:57] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY. THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST READING. IT SAYS "FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION." I'M CURIOUS, AND THIS ACTUALLY RELATES TO THE PROCESS CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE. [1:26:36] **Vice President Linea Palmisano:** AT WHAT POINT WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OPINE ON IS THIS SUBSTANTIATIVELY SIMILAR OR DISSIMILAR? I EXPECT BY THE END OF THE PROCESS IT MIGHT BE DISSIMILAR. BUT WHEN, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OPINE ON WHETHER THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT OR NOT? [1:27:25] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, SO YOUR QUESTIONS ARE HARD TO ANSWER. OBVIOUSLY TO SOME DEGREE, YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO INTERPRET RULES. THIS PARTICULAR RULE ABOUT SUBSTANTIATIVE DIFFERENCE COMES FROM ROBERT'S RULES. I IMAGINE THERE MIGHT BE SOME PRECEDENT OUT THERE TO HELP GUIDE THE QUESTION. SUBSTANTIATIVE IS A LEGAL TERM OF ART THAT HAS A [1:28:43] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** MEANING AND PRECEDENT BEHIND IT. IT'S HARD TO APPLY THAT PRECEDENT TO SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN. SO I HESITATE TO OPINE ON WHETHER SOMETHING IS OR ISN'T SUBSTANTIATIVELY DIFFERENT WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DETAIL. [1:29:14] **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THANK YOU. THIS IS SUPER SIMPLE. IT'S A REFERRAL TO THE COMMITTEE. OUR CLERK TOLD US AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THIS BODY GETS TO MAKE THE DECISION IF IT'S DIFFERENT OR NOT. I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE CHUGHTAI WHO IS SICK IS HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T CONFIRM WHETHER THIS POLICY REFERRAL WOULD DIE OR NOT. SHE'S HERE LITERALLY SICK IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT'S JUST WRONG. [1:30:21] **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THE MORE WE DEBATE ABOUT THIS REFERRAL TO COMMITTEE, IF PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES, THEY CAN BRING AMENDMENTS. YOU CAN VOTE IT DOWN. LITERALLY WE ARE MEETING WITH EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER TO BRING UP THEIR CONCERNS. [1:30:43] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** I'M GOING TO INTERJECT THAT I'VE HEARD, LIKE FOUR TIMES THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER. I HAVE NOT HAD ONE DISCUSSION WITH ANYONE ABOUT THIS. **Council Member Elliott Payne:** MADAM PRESIDENT. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TRY TO SEPARATE OUT THIS TRANSITIONAL PROCESS CONVERSATION FROM THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS. AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD VOTE ON THE SUBSTANCE—WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO SUPPORT DRIVERS. [1:31:49] **Council Member Elliott Payne:** FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE NOT IMPLEMENTED ANY PROCESS. WE HAVE HISTORICALLY COMBINED INTRODUCTION REFERRAL AND FIRST READING. BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SEPARATING THAT STEP OUT IN THE NEW PROCESS. THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE NEW PROCESS. LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THE SUBSTANCE. DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DRIVER PROTECTIONS TODAY? [1:32:12] **Council Member Jamal Osman:** I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE AND DO THE WORK THAT CAN GET US ALL THE SUPPORT OF THE BODY. I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS VETOED IT, BUT WE'LL MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK WE'RE DOING BENEFITS THOSE THAT ARE WORKING AND MOVING OUR CITY FORWARD. [1:33:39] **Council Member Jason Chavez:** THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT JENKINS. I WANTED TO REITERATE COMMENTS ON SEPTEMBER 18th, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY'S OFFICE REACHED OUT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF ABOUT SETTING UP MEETINGS. SO YOUR COMMENTS WERE INACCURATE. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [1:34:10] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye on 1, No on 2)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye on 1, No on 2)** PALMISANO. **(Aye on 1, No on 2)** PRESIDENT JENKINS. **(Aye)** 13 AYES AND THREE NAYS. [1:34:46] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. THAT CARRIES. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** MADAM PRESIDENT, BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD, THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE BODY'S ATTENTION TO THE SECOND ITEM RELATED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE FOR AMENDING THE LICENSING CODE. IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE BIHS COMMITTEE, NOT TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. [1:35:05] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** OH, THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS RESOLUTIONS. WE HAVE ONE HONORARY RESOLUTION THAT WAS READ AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT. **Council Member Elliott Payne:** SO MOVED. SECOND. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** [1:35:42] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** 13 AYES. [1:35:58] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THE NEXT ITEM PERTAINS TO THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING OF PROPERTIES ON VAN BUREN AND SUMMER STREETS NORTHEAST. THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21st MEETING. I'LL CALL ON THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE US WITH LEGAL ADVICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER THE REZONING APPLICATION. [1:36:35] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS MATTER IS STILL WRAPPED UP IN THE DISTRICT COURT DETERMINATION OF AN INJUNCTION. WITH RESPECT TO THE 2040 PLAN, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS MOVED THE DISTRICT COURT FOR A STAY OF THAT INJUNCTION PENDING APPEAL. [1:36:58] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** WE HAVE APPEALED THE 2040 DECISION. THERE'S A HEARING ON THAT MATTER ON OCTOBER 10th. RIGHT NOW THE DISTRICT COURT'S INJUNCTION IS IN EFFECT. SO MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE HOLDING THIS UNFINISHED BUSINESS OVER AT LEAST ANOTHER CYCLE. [1:37:22] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. SEEING NONE, CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** [1:37:54] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** 12 AYES. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT MOTION PASSES. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A CLOSED SESSION TODAY. BEFORE WE MOVE TO CLOSED SESSION, OCTOBER IS INVISIBLE DISABILITIES MONTH. I WILL BE BRINGING FORTH A [1:38:42] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** RESOLUTION AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WITH THAT, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE REGULAR ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. WE'LL NOW CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR A CLOSED SESSION, WHICH IS FOR ONE LITIGATION MATTER LISTED ON OUR AGENDA. I RECOGNIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE A LEGAL BASIS. [1:39:32] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CASE OF BITTELL VERSUS CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, A WORKERS' COMPOSITION MATTER. THIS CASE IS IN ACTIVE LITIGATION. YOUR LAWYERS WISH TO DISCUSS WITH THE COUNCIL LITIGATION STRATEGY. UNDER MINNESOTA OPEN MEETING LAW, THE COUNCIL MAY UPON A PROPER MOTION CLOSE THE [1:40:18] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** MEETING. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT OUR PUBLIC MEETING BE CLOSED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE LITIGATION MATTER OF BITTELL VERSUS THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** SECOND. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** GOODMAN. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** [1:41:13] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** JENKINS. **(Aye)** **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT CARRIES AND WE'LL CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION. [1:50:29] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THE TIME IS NOW 12:37. AND THE COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION. I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** [1:50:47] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. **(Present)** COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. **(Here)** OSMAN. **(Present)** PAYNE. **(Present)** KOSKI. **(Present)** CHUGHTAI. **(Present)** CHAVEZ. **(Present)** [1:51:02] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** ELLISON. **(Here)** VETAW. **(Present)** PALMISANO. **(Present)** JENKINS. **(Present)** 12 MEMBERS PRESENT. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** WE WILL NOW CONSIDER THE POGO COMMITTEE'S ITEM NUMBER 17. THE COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE PROPOSED WORKER'S COMPENSATION SETTLEMENT FOR ANDREW BITTELL BE REFERRED TO STAFF. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? [1:51:52] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL MOTION. I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WE'VE HANDLED OUR WORKER'S COMP CLAIMS. IT HAS BEEN TROUBLING TO KNOW THAT BY RUBBER STAMPING EVERY CLAIM, EVEN WHEN THERE IS EVIDENCE OF SOME OFFICERS HAVING A PATTERN OF LYING, WE ARE STILL APPROVING THEM. AND THAT RUNS THE RISK OF SIGNALING TO BAD ACTORS THAT THIS IS AN EASY WAY OUT. [1:52:38] **Council Member Robin Wonsley:** APPROVING ALL SETTLEMENTS WITHOUT QUESTION IS NOT ONLY UNJUST, IT ALSO FEELS LIKE A BAD STRATEGY AT THIS MOMENT—A STRATEGY THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR. WE ARE LOOKING AT OVER $30 MILLION. THIS IS A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY TO SET A DIFFERENT PRECEDENT AND TO CREATE A NEW CULTURE. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE ORIGINAL MOTION TODAY. [1:54:01] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION TO REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF. IT HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR YEARS NOW. AND I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENCE. I THINK THAT THIS CASE PRESENTS A UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THAT THERE IS A MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO [1:54:46] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO DRAW SOME BOUNDARIES. I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. WHILE I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE CHANGES WE'VE SEEN AT THE STATE, EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA IS STILL BURDENED WITH THIS ISSUE. [1:55:20] **Council Member Jeremiah Ellison:** BY SORT OF DRAWING A LINE HERE, I THINK WE COULD BE SETTING A GOOD PATHWAY FORWARD FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. I AGREE WITH THE COMMITTEE'S VOTE TO REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET A BETTER OUTCOME FOR TAXPAYERS HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS. [1:56:02] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I ACTUALLY WANTED TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE THE WORKER'S COMPENSATION CLAIM FOR ANDREW BITTELL BY PAYMENT OF $145,000. [1:56:26] **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW HAS MOVED. **Council Member Michael Rainville:** SECOND. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY AS I THINK WE LEARNED IN OUR CLOSED SESSION THERE WAS AN ERROR. [1:57:03] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** THERE IS A CLERICAL ERROR ON THAT MOTION THAT SAYS $145,000. AND IT SHOULD BE $150,000. SO THE CLERICAL ERROR WOULD BE TO REPLACE IT WITH $150,000. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW? [1:57:21] **Council Member LaTrisha Vetaw:** YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW HAS MOVED THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. [1:57:47] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(Aye)** WONSLEY. **(Nay)** JOHNSON. **(No)** OSMAN. **(No)** [1:58:02] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** PAYNE. **(No)** KOSKI. **(Nay)** CHUGHTAI. **(No)** CHAVEZ. **(No)** ELLISON. **(No)** VETAW. **(Aye)** PALMISANO. **(Aye)** [1:58:18] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** PRESIDENT JENKINS. **(Nay)** THREE AYES AND NINE NAYS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SO THAT ITEM FAILS. AND WE ARE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO RETURN THIS ITEM TO STAFF. [1:58:59] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** MADAM PRESIDENT, MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE THAT YOU HAVE REJECTED THE SETTLEMENT OF $150,000. AND THAT WOULD PUT US BACK IN LITIGATION, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A DIFFERENT SETTLEMENT OR COULD RESULT IN US PROCEEDING TO HEARING. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** SO WE ARE SAYING WE DON'T THINK STAFF HAS WORKED HARD ENOUGH? [1:59:52] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** IT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY, BUT I THINK THAT CHARACTERIZATION IS PERHAPS NOT ACCURATELY REFLECTIVE. I THINK THE BODY IS SAYING THAT DESPITE EXCELLENT WORK BY STAFF, THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PHILOSOPHICAL DISAGREEMENT WITH SETTLING AT $150,000 THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND THAT, INSTEAD, THE BODY IS SAYING REFER THIS BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. [2:00:35] **City Attorney Kristyn Anderson:** I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE CLERK. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THANK YOU. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. **City Clerk Casey Carl:** RAINVILLE. **(No)** WONSLEY. **(Aye)** JOHNSON. **(Aye)** OSMAN. **(Aye)** PAYNE. **(Aye)** KOSKI. **(Aye)** CHUGHTAI. **(Aye)** CHAVEZ. **(Aye)** ELLISON. **(Aye)** VETAW. **(No)** [2:01:07] **City Clerk Casey Carl:** PALMISANO. **(No)** PRESIDENT JENKINS. **(Aye)** NINE AYES AND THREE NAYS. **Council President Andrea Jenkins:** THAT ITEM CARRIES. AND ITEM NUMBER 17 IS RETURNED TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR FURTHER ACTIONS. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. ( MEETING ADJOURNED AT 12:47. )