[Music] [Music] [Music] for [Music] Studio we ready to go live if we can get the studio where's where's are we good one two three four we don't have six in herei and Ed where are they you're good okay all right thank you very very much so I want to um have introductions and we'll start with our acting City attorney good evening Lena James Deputy City attorney good evening Victoria Wallington serving at large good evening Lana Mayfield council member at large Marcus Jones city manager V mayor good evening marger Molina District 5 good evening Renee Johnson District Four Ariel Smith Lead City CL all right so today I did not have a chance to join everyone in the committee but I did watch all of the committee sessions on YouTube I hope many of the people in this community will recognize that tonight we're going to have discussions that by this that were done this morning this afternoon and today with the um Charlotte City Council committees and we want to have what they have done as an output or an information item so that we can make sure that everybody understands what each other is doing so today I just still want to remind people that you can watch us on the government Channel and the city's Facebook page and and our YouTube channel which is what I did today for most of us we also have a report after the committee discussions um from the airport and we'll be doing that and then by that time if there's no closed session tonight we will be ready to have adjournment so with that I'm going to begin with our transportation well where where did he go where does it um let's start if it's not Transportation then we'll go ahead and go to our committee on economic development oh oh here he is thank you all right Mr dggs if I go next I need to myself I think it's Mr barari could do this next on our um committee on economic development sure uh sure glad to do it um Mr Driggs the co-chair can chime in but I'll hit the uh the uh high points um we discussed uh the Arts funding strategy uh which was referred to committee and while we didn't get into the weeds of what the ultimate strategy should be we took a deep dive look at the hospitality funds at the affordability going forward of those funds for the long term and we determined as a group um to take a vote and the position on that one uh that while the arch discussion there's more to be had and and more needed we were going to recommend did we vote on that yes we did vote on that recommend not to um to consider those funds to be utilized for it you can add to that if You' like um so we did receive a detailed presentation on the anticipated uses of hospitality funds and uh their intended uses they allowed uses and and I think the upshot was that uh the the hospitality business is kind of a standalone sector the industry incurs those costs through the tax uh and delivers great value with their use of the proceeds so I I think the The View that uh I and I think was shared was that we should use our general fund to fund the Arts one critical point that was made was the volatility of hospitality funding is such that you can have a steep drop off as we experienced during the recession it's not the most reliable source of continuing funding for the Arts so the unanimous conclusion of the committee was that we should continue to fund the Arts from the uh general fund and Mr DS I think that will come up as the manager preparing the new budget and as well as what we'll be talking about at our um strategic Retreat for 20125 is that right I think the committee dealt with the referral on the question of the accessing Hospitality funds and having heard a detailed explanation it's the recommendation recommendation of the Kim that we not do that that we go with the general fund all right thank you very much um Mr Number Two is Providence Road Mr B you want to take jobs in Economic Development that's yours yeah I mean that same same committee um and the there were two other topics one was a uh good but brief one with the uh chair of the um uh business at what's the business committee the committee that we have bus advisory Comm the business advisory committee I served on it can't remember the name I think he served a very long time obious gets worse and worse you get older I'm getting older but it's always good to have those updates and they are interested in some particular small business uh related initiatives that once again we will work with staff uh to try to align and then finally um the more complicated one which happens also reside in my district the three rezonings that are happening simultaneously this month on Providence with uh um the three petitioners that have brought it forward this was to hear about the the uh TIG the tax increment Grant request that is also simultaneously running through the economic development Committees of the city and the county um we went through all the details from staff um our premise at that point was overall it looks like a um a fair to good deal as it stands uh to move forward into full uh Council consideration in the next business meeting or the next uh yeah the next business meeting um but there are ongoing um um kind of negotiations and and efforts to figure out how to take something from good to great and that work is underway in parallel with it coming towards us so that is happening in parallel with the County's work parallel with the rezoning so uh certainly one of the more complicated items um but um also one of the more transformational I that's a great way of looking at it is going to be so we voted on the tick to move it forward sorry just move it forward so we have a vote to move that forward and as you said Mr barari um transformational um but really making a big difference in terms of what I saw not just the housing um that we would have that en livian has but housing that may be marketable for many many people in this community so exciting to hear about that mayor if I if I could just note on that uh these proposals uh contemplate the creation of about 1,800 residential units and there are 4 to 500 more in the Horizon piece that's also part of the overall uh scheme and in my mind this is the most powerful way that we can pursue our Udo goals we're not going to be able to use City money or ordinances to create the kind of housing we need to see development like this in order to increase the supply and address the cost of housing just want to mention that I just imagine that it doesn't need to happen in Mr bari's District the next time Miss Mayfield Miss feel to conversation on this um I think I think it's done the report is been poured out has been good but I also heard you talk about this um this afternoon and from the housing perspective thank you madam mayor so I just want us to take into consideration when we're talking about t especially since there's going to be a request for us to actually vote on this next Monday there were some a few questions that I have for staff that I would like to get a response to one 15 years is not a long period of time I've shared concerns that I have on short periods of time even though I appreciate the fact that there is a housing affordability component I didn't feel like that was necessarily A selling point for the request of this T I want to know from staff where are we currently how many TS do we have out there going leading up to 2039 that will be expiring by that time period what is that Financial impact since the tig is to be able to pay a reduced amount we are continuously growing I am concerned that financially we may run into a wall sooner rather than later I gave the example earlier that from 2011 to 2019 was only 8 years but in that eight short period we saw over 200% increase in the cost of housing here in the city but it was not just housing the cost of doing business period small businesses others that have closed their doors or not ever had a chance to really get started without having additional funding support so I want to get an idea of exactly where are we on Tigs that are outstanding what is the anticipated dollar amount and revenue that we're not receiving and after those Tigs in what is the actual if we've had any that have completed within this last 15 years what is now the revenue we're receiving or are we seeing that these companies before the tig is over near the end of the tig it transitions to something else just with the model of how we utilize it so I have a concern that when we're talking about addressing our housing needs there is a need we have very creative and strategic ways to address that need I want to make sure we're not setting ourselves up in the long run with looking at a short-sighted goal of saying this is a great thing but then if the anticipated growth of the city continues on this path we are in a much more stringent financial position with trying to address what's happening so for me that housing piece was not something that is a selling point also for me the selling point is not the what they're giving to the county that $500,000 to go towards our housing and a million going towards Parks our deficit is still our deficit and our deficit of 35,000 plus units has been there for a while even though we have a number of new units that are out there I just think there's other opportunities so Mr barari yeah I I think you the council's raised some valid questions that I think she should and we should all be able to look at the look back on the Tigs per T different Tigs performance over the last 15 years I would just note for Clarity on this there's the rezoning thing which we're still working through and handling we were just focused on the tig and number two the tig is an instrument that can't be directly correlated to one aspect of this so while there is what we will refer to as naturally built affordable housing as part of this without subsidy uh while there's park space and Greenways while there's a whole bunch of different things um the tig more directly aligns with the spend that's going to be on the uh Transportation infrastructure but you have to step back and look at the entire deal as it relates to all the benefits as to why you'd make it so not uh not saying that the questions aren't good ones just it's going to be super hard for someone to align Tigs to the affordable housing components of this deal or others so I just want to kind of clarify that okay so I think Mr Jones you understand the request is the on the Tigs Miss Johnson thank you Madame mayor I just wanted to know when full Council would get a presentation on this deal I believe it's Monday Monday okay right okay thank you all right anything else okay so we'll now go to I'm ready if you want me to I'm ready now okay we'll go back to Transportation Mr dggs okay uh so uh the members of the committee are myself Miss Molina Mr Graham Miss Johnson and M watlington uh we discussed uh in the end two items today didn't really get a chance to deal with our third agenda item in detail one was a cats update a lot of that was a briefing on the fda's uh review of cats uh which identified eight areas of uh sort of Need for attention all of these were areas that we knew about as a result of the process we've been through for the last couple of years so we feel comfortable that we are on track to deal with things that the FTA brought to our attention they also included in their remarks some favorable comments about the management and operation of cats so uh I feel that that was in in general a a very benign report it came about because we asked for a special review from the FTA on finance and operations back when the trouble started a couple years ago and we have now had the benefit of their scrutiny uh as well as the work that was done by the management Consultants so my own view is that we have a good handle now uh on the situation at that it is normalized there is some work left to be done and there is always the aspiration as Mr Graham pointed out to go from good to excellent but I believe that we can treat the referral to this committee uh about cats as having been discharged uh and that furthermore the working group that was established as kind of a SWAT team uh to work on the issues there uh has fulfilled its purpose and in response to Miss Johnson's comments uh the cats will will continue to be subject to the oversight of the Council of the transportation committee and the MTC so um and we have a lot of work to do in the coming year on the update of the 2030 plan to align it with the prospect of getting a sales tax passed and having revenue for more projects so U there's going to be a lot of work around cats uh but I do feel that the situation has been stabilized enough that we do not have to have uh that extraord ordinary kind of crisis mode oversight thank you Mr DRS for acknowledging that we did have the John issue and we're not but I also wanted to let you know that the MTC and its meeting also found that this was um as Mr DG said it was an issue that has been resolved and now I think the issue is how do we make sure that we can keep people um in places where we can have bus service and um have places where people can get to work and be and you know live more comfortably instead of it just being um I've got to ride the bus and it's got we need to begin to think about what does it really mean to ride in the bus and how can we make it a better system for all of us with locations as well as how we um make sure that work is available for other people Miss Johnson thank you m madame mayor one of the things that I did say during the meeting is this this city and City staff does a wonderful job of um strategic planning and and having that Vision but I feel it's important that we manage the change there's a difference between leadership and management and I really think we need to tighten up on our management of all of the the the impact the cumulative impact and the changes um there you know almost like we need to when we talk about growth versus infrastructure that's managing versus leading so I was fortunate we did not vote on disbanding the working team so that wasn't a vote so that is something Mr Driggs mentioned but it wasn't a action of the committee because I think that we still there's still room um to continue to have this um Spotlight on on cats the reason that the working group was formed was because of a a a crisis that was uncovered so I think because what gets measured gets done I think that it's appropriate that we keep our foot on the pedal um one of the comments during the meeting was there was this particular route that will never run on time well that's not acceptable so um I think that we need to continue to work on those groups uh those those issues Miss Mayfield brought up an excellent point about safety she'll probably elaborate but um safety on the trains on the on the buses at the at the stops so I don't think it's um I don't think it's appropriate for us to disband the team or or the emphasis and attention on cats we still don't even have a permanent executive director we're still in intern we're still in a transition so I I was I would not have supported disbanding the team but again we did not vote on that as a committee it is something that Mr Driggs brought up but it was not a formal action I thank you I thank you for your comments those were good comments I think that we really do have to um look at this as a way that um we do want safety we do want to be on time but I also think that you can have so many people overseeing the state the committee was an ad hoc committee and now we have a committee made up of the MTC where the um the executive director um that's even temporary right now he is responsible for reporting to the MTC and with the MTC with all the representation in the county it's a much it's not getting away from it's just a matter of making sure that the people at the MTC have the opportunity to do exactly as the um review is stated um that we want to make sure that our bus system works for everyone so with that I think if we can have I I think my suggestion would be to provide your comments to the MTC at the next meeting which is I think next next couple of weeks and see where they sit and we can have a recommendation from them if we need to do something differently all right um I have a couple more I I know you want to have a couple more so Transportation right so go ahead and did yours was was it related to Transportation okay so uh the second item we talked about uh there was some consternation at our our uh zoning meeting about a text Amendment you may recall and it was a couple of pages of uh little text amendments and we weren't quite sure what it all amounted to so we had a presentation from staff today explaining that these amendments are essentially administrative and operational in nature they're intended to align the the uh implementation of the Udo better with the 2040 plan and with our goals they don't constitute a departure or any new policy um and they're just trying to remove some Kinks that have come to light by virtue of our experience with the udio up until now they think it's going to be the last text amendment that is needed um and uh so uh the committee um agreed unanimously to recommend to the full Council we do go ahead and adopt those approve those um I think some of the concern that people had was it said they can do such and such under uh certain conditions and the thing was you didn't know what the conditions were so therefore it was hard to know what it meant I asked the staff to provide us an assessment of the overall impact like is this going to make a huge difference how many different zonings will now be different because of these text amendments um but my own conclusion and I think that of the committee was that these were indeed uh in the realm of operation and administration ative proper text amendments because they then went on to talk about the proposed residential refinement and this would be a policy initiative talking about modifying some of the permissions for housing types in districts other than N1 uh to accommodate the purpose of those h of those districts and allow certain types of construction of residential property within them that's something that they're working on so we'll hear more about it not final yet um but they just gave us an indication that that's what they were uh looking at and uh I think that's very useful because as I mentioned before we need to do everything we can to maximize the opportunities for residential development increasing the supply of housing is the strongest thing that we can do to address the cost of housing and then the uh last item on our agenda was a community area planning update it as it turned out we ran out of time so we got a brief update on that and uh I I will just mention that uh there was a description of what these Area Community area plans are we've heard that before I hope everybody understands what that's about and what we were told in the meeting was the work that's being done the schedule uh the Outreach to the community and uh the the general nature of what is expected to come out of that and there is a document that they showed us um the name of which I read I don't have have right here but anyway there is a uh a document that U actually talks about the uh community area plans and that process but again no action on that in any case and that is our blueprint for um infrastructure is that the am I in the right place um the area Community area plans community area plans yeah the plans in general there are 14 of them right and they are intended to sort of adapt and customize the Udo to the circumstances of each of those 14 uh areas they don't modify the language of the Udo they will affect the an update to the policy map that is intended to be adopted at the same time so that it conforms better to the circumstances and they will Express goals that we have for development in those 14 areas I mentioned to them that uh I wanted them to be sure that there was a lot of involvement by any council person who's affected in any of the 14 areas so that we get the benefit of that input I think almost every council member will have several areas to have 14 of them so and I guess Mr Driggs do you you expect this to come back be in Jan December or January what's your thinking what's the committee's thinking can't uh on on the um community area planning process no we had a timeline that goes out a little further than that and I don't know if I have that all right that's okay I just wanted to make sure we didn't put it on agenda really fast okay I don't believe that's that's not next week or anything okay thank you all right Miss Mayfield thank you madam mayor so back to the conversation around cats I just wanted to make sure that all of my colleagues knew the direction that I was asking questioning committee earlier one I think Transportation cats also needs to be presenting to housing and Neighborhood Services as where we keep talking about access to housing access to Workforce access the transportation I have asked for Mr Kel and the team to really look at how we're utilizing our technology so I actually forwarded a email to Mr K probably about 10 15 minutes ago from a constituent the routes that they need the two different buses that they need to take have the exact same time M we know that we have the cats app we also know the technology of where people are starting what they're putting into the app where they need to get to so if we're looking at this map and we're seeing vehicle a and we know the route that is going just like when when you're on the trains and you know all the connecting we have to do a better job of making sure that that second vehicle is actually connecting and that we're not doing this and then you're waiting 45 minutes it does not make sense when our airport is growing at the level is growing and eventually probably sooner rather than later it will be a 24-hour airport that if you live in Steel Creek it takes you 2 and 1 half hours to get to work at the airport if you live out on the east side it takes you two and a half plus hours one way that's 5 hours a day you're spending just on transportation and the airport you need to be there at 3:30 4:00 in the morning at sometimes and you're getting off late at night depending on what shift you're working so if we're talking about as we I we are a small town that wants to be a big city we're having big city discussions we need to make sure that our transportation is aligned with our Workforce we know where the people are I don't know if we're necessarily utilizing the technology that we have accessible or if we need to we just made a major investment recently on technology how are we using AI how are we looking at our transportation needs and ensuring and I also asked Mr kago in his presentation are we looking at crime and safety how are we utilizing AI again cmpd showing up after the fact that's the effect we can probably capture that cost we have had May August September November and last night someone whose life has ended at our cat station we can't say that we want quality safe housing options along a rail line if we're not utilizing the technology that we have to actually monitor our Rail lines to make sure that they're safe so we're telling people to go out and use this public transportation system but we're not having the real conversations that we need to have regarding Public Safety and making sure that people are to the best of our ability government cannot do everything but to the best of our ability that people are safe when they are utilizing our public transportation to get to school to work or even to one of the many events that we have up toown so I would have liked to have heard what does that conversation look like and the conversation can't be well we're partnering with cmpd cuz I promise you I can give you pictures from where I have been at the rail station and I have seen CMP cmpd officers sitting in their vehicle but not actually patrolling I don't know if they're supposed to be patrolling but we have cameras we have technology we could be utilizing that more everybody got a ring camera simply say some type of security measure most people at their home we can be utilizing that better to create more safety and create the feeling of safety because imagine if you have that 311 operator or that cast operator that comes over the speaker systems that we already have installed over that speaker system to let it be known that this station is monitored and that be for all our stations I want I again this is an opportunity um the cat's um MTC meeting included the requirements for the safety plan and you're right um cmpd does not actually act on this because they have an an additional um set of people and that they contract with to do this but I think it's a timely um that you know that you want to try something different I think on safety um there is a safety Technology Group within the organization that could do this but I think it's really most important that what makes people feel safe is being around a lot of people and I think that what you've asked for is to say how do we make sure that we can keep people from being on the side of the road or in the busway and not have and not be on the bus in a way that we can create and make sure that they feel safe about it so uh Mr K will have a lot of work to do that and just for clarification the safety and Technology team this part of safety is not the impression I receive that is not the target the target is the safety on the actual tracks them not leaving I am talking about using the technology that we already have at our stations through the boxes through the cameras to do better monitoring and create not just the appearance but to create that truly safe environment it that is included in the document that they just presented and it is an important area and they have a whole team working on it so David Mo moit I believe um I think you and see that Mr Kagel and he will be able to give you some information and you'll be able to give them this information I think it'll work really well thank you madam mayor all right Mr I just wanted to add today's conversation was about uh uh winding down the special effort that was initiated as a result of the problems with cats it doesn't mean to minimize at all the need to continue to strive to make cats better and safer and in fact we are going to embark on a six-month at least extensive planning process to revamp our 2030 plan and align it with the uh prospect that we hope we will have as a result of a referendum for a sales tax uh in November that provide funding and among other things based on the expected proceeds from a sales tax we would have about $4 billion to invest when buses and similar non-rail type of public transportation and I'm sure there will be a very robust and fundamental conversation because I agree with Miss Mayfield I think housing and transportation go hand in hand you know I mean it's a question how long does it take to get from this place to that place so no question about that I think we will have abundant opportunities to deal with it the main main point was that those the special Arrangements we had because of the problems of cats are not needed anymore thank you okay Miss Molina I'm sorry you want to go okay um thank you Madame mayor and I I'll be brief I think um in in the um in the meeting Mr Kel He hit on a a lot of very important points I think the one of the bigger ones that I that I saw that he hit on was exactly what we're talking about is our bus ridership right more than 60% of our users ride buses um which means that that particular conversation takes precedent whether we're talking about safety or transporting our our community members in a reliable way um and and I like some of the the updates that he shared with the body uh um for an asset management system that would kind of be subsequent to the Erp system so they're already creating efficiencies that would make us uh from an information and Technology perspective they're actually ahead of where we are as as far as the Citywide uh timeline and so you know I thought that was outstanding very commendable to say that you know in in such a short time having Brent on board that he's taken that initiative that we've seen these types of you know clear and concise Milestones but then taking it a bit further is that he's actually already with anticipation of our you know enterprise resource planning system he's actually creating a resource that would you know work in alignment with with what resources we would have within cats um he also broke down um how they've decentralized the operations of the cat system um which would work with an asset management system because they don't have to be centralized in one place then using information and Technology we could actually you know communicate with within you know and know what resources we have to deploy um and and so I just I heard good things from him today and I know that there's work to do and I you know I don't want to you know deemphasize or not Place emphasis on any of the other areas of opportunity that we have um but I I just want to say that I was very encouraged by those updates that we had today and and some of the Milestones that they've completed um in the department and Mr manager I know that I don't know what conversations you've had with Mr Kagel and I don't know if he like us enough to stay but I I do think that he's done an excellent job in the amount of time that he's been tasked with this very difficult challenge of of um of putting us back on track with cat so I just wanted to say that thank you Miss Johnson thank you Madame mayor I just want to say again that I think the loss of life and the crime and the and the ridership are u a Cris um so if if you're disbanding the the uh the group then that would be it's not in full with full Council support I'm just opposed to that and another thing I wanted to address is um Mr Driggs mentioned that there was unanimous support of recommending the Udo there was not a vote on that as a matter of fact when I ask a question um I was I was told not to ask the question it wasn't related so there was a a a unanimous vote for the moving forward with the Udo I I had more a lot more questions and we were we were rushed um with our agenda so I don't think that there was again enough time for Council to absorb the information to make that recommendation lastly the community area planning I wanted some more information on that I know we didn't there were some dates and Mr Jones maybe you can answer the question as far as the community area planning did get an overview and she said that the period for I think Community input was closed but there would be opportunities for questions large precincts to have this information and they're not getting the information until after the comment period I think is closed so can you tell me what time what the time frame is what what what's closed and what's going on to happen in January or or where we are in the community area planning phase sure uh Council Johnson and if I'm not correct somebody will chime in the the group that I think you're referring to um staff met with them last month and are willing to meet with them again in January is my understanding I talked to the chair today and okay yeah she said their presentations in January yeah that's right okay okay that's different than what sta said can you tell me the difference in like what what what's expired or what what deadline did we what deadline pass sure so I think Allison is here let's just have Allison come in and I think she can address your questions directly while we wait could I comment Madam mayor uh you asked the question about the community area plan uh the intention is that there will be a presentation to the full Council on January 25th and the goal is to release a draft in March uh uh March 25th uh no sorry March 25 and January 25 but anyway it's going to happen in January and March I wanted to mention too in our committee meeting today to clarify what happened we were discussing the text amendments and whether they were appropriate or not the conversation started to Branch into policy questions that I didn't feel were within the scope of that topic so that was why I reigned in and then I did ask I did suggest that even though it was an information item that without objection I would like to be able to report to the council that the committee felt it was okay to go ahead with those and I didn't hear an objection so that's what happened okay let's go uh good evening Council um mayor and Council I'm gonna um um ask Kathy to answer the question she Kathy cornette is uh leads the community area planning process um and has some of the details that you were just discussing so Kathy okay Kathy good evening um in relation to the District 4 meeting so a member of our staff Katherine Mahoney who is the um project manager actually for community area plans spent some time on the phone walking um I I believe it was the Coalition president or director through the area through the website and where all the information can be found and that was when the conversation happened where she invited her to the invited us to the January 8th um district meeting so we are happy to have other discussions um I believe the last name was Evans we're we're happy to have other discussions with anyone that needs help and the closing of it was just the web tool which closed phase three of the process so it's actually a five-phase process phas one kind of setting the stage phase two focused on the policy map and phase three f focused on projects and programs um phase 4 is now assembling the document and then it goes into review and adoption but throughout the entire process there's always open for comment and we're happy to uh meet with anyone the all of the information is still on the website so um happy to do any of that when did phase three close phase three so the last phase three meeting was November 15th and the web tool closed uh the 29th so November 29th so the person would have met with the the D4 Coalition prior to November 29th yes it was what I was saying is they were unaware that there was that that there would be a difference between no meeting in November and meeting in January so that's the kind of information um that's helpful to Residents you know they they're they're they don't have the the technical knowledge or those time frame so so we rely on the experts for guidance and that wasn't given and what I'm afraid of even with the Udo you know we were told well this phase is finished and we'll be open for comment and and and it just kept moving forward and the and members didn't feel like they were able to give that input and this is a specific example because I mentioned D4 Coalition months ago so it's con concerning to me that we don't have the input from the Coalition that represents District 4 when District 4 is changing so much um I would have hoped that the coalition's input was was was taken or the opportunity to be given so I don't know um so what I don't want to see is this draft and then they have a comment that that wasn't their desire either right so maybe we can I don't know if there's an opportunity to extend that deadline or or something because I mean I mentioned D4 Coalition at the beginning presentation of this so it's concerning that this this is scheduled after the phase three period is closed I understand um we can certainly look at that and we're happy to to follow up with um the leader that we spoke with of the D4 Coalition and make sure that questions were answered see if they were perhaps able to attend the workshop um and we can go from there we're happy to do that thank you okay any other comments okay so let's move on to um the housing and Safety Committee um I think they were just so glad they were kicking the ball through the goal lines about 20 times so well um because I know we have a presentation we'll keep this extremely brief so I'm just going to ask Sean to just come up real quick share real briefly um the highlights from our year and review which is what we spent our time on and then a couple of items that were lifted up as potential uh topics for next year thanks chair watlington I'll be exceptionally brief as CH Wallington mentioned the committee did a quick review the year in review uh there were a number of mey referrals that went through the housing safety and Community Committee this year starting the year with a review of city ordinances where Council ultimately restored the criminal penalty option for a handful of ordinances in tandem with that there were a number of non- enforcement strategies that were launched earlier in the year such as uh City investment in Street Outreach focused on the Uptown area before the summer break there was a focus on the community safety framework which was the youth crime referral that came out of your January of 2024 strategy Retreat uh the first investment associated with the youth crime referral was a $2.5 million Council authorized support for the KD blessing Center which will be a transformational one-of-a-kind pediatric Behavioral Health Care Facility on the east side of town and then the committee rounded out the year with a discussion around the affordable housing funding policy in tandem with $100 million bond that was passed by voters now this Council has a very definitive point of view on policy Focus associated with affordable housing investments and in fact with explicit investment categories uh also a quick conversation on a number of things that weren't brought through as a referral but the committee had a chance to and will continue to shape going forward including the faith-based Housing Initiative so what are the things the city can do to help be a catalyst for houses of worship that have an interest in affordable housing but maybe aren't sure where to start so there are a number of things that will be done including providing technical assistance Etc in order to help activate on some of those ideas and then a home for all which is the public private partnership that the United Way is leading focus on both housing and homelessness continues and to the extent there are funding opportunities associated with a home for all those will come through for full Council deliberation before there's anything put on for an action review uh most of the conversation was really focused on the look ahead in calendar year 2025 with the committee just wanting to take a moment before the end of the calendar year to reflect on things that could inform the end of January stry Retreat conversation and what are the types of things that this committee feels most passionate about there were a few ideas that came up in conversation today on mentioned three of them in particular one was as we think about uh leveraging new channels and communication methods with our stakeholders are there are there things that we should be thinking of differently going forward to better ensure we're getting the right kind of information to the right stakeholders at the right time uh a little bit of com the second item wasn't really so much policy driven but more of a reminder given that we have many funding Pathways for our affordable housing resources we have more resources available than we've ever had before let's ensure that we're building Equity into those funding Pathways to the fullest extent possible and then third uh there seem to be strong consensus across committee members that there could be an opportunity opportunity to build on some good things that are already being done here in Charlotte uh with city of charlet involvement for example related to uh the intersection point between sustainability affordable housing and residential energy usage so a lot of times when we've talked about cost burdened househ households we typically focus on rent and mortgage and that's clearly the biggest piece but energy costs can be large as well so are there opportunities for the city to be a catalyst to help residential homeowners be more energy efficient uh leveraging Renewable Energy Technologies Etc so that could be something that uh count council members from the committee want to focus on at the strategy retreat at the end of January those were the highlights thank you so much Sean question to come up with something very different and Innovative so I am going to be my chair's cheerleader and thank Sean and Rebecca and the entire team because they are doing amazing work within housing and Neighborhood Services and Community safety and again we see how it all committees Transportation Economic Development Workforce are all tied into what we are all also creating within housing okay thank you it's always helpful to brag um so those I think we have our last committee the BG oh I'm sorry no mad no I geez give me a break here and I was just saying we were going to go with bgi but miss Molina wants to say something no thank you Madame mayor just really quickly did you did you highlight the faith in housing that little bit that little bit okay yall we got a long night let's y'all can y'all can Pat each other on the back tomorrow after this is over this is it that's right you're a little bit tall for me I'm telling you yeah I know okay all right so um bgi Mr barari is going to go yes thank you I'll finish this up briefly for us uh a lot of people said it was one of the greatest run me they've ever [Music] seen I read it on the internet I don't know glasses or not so we had three items uh I think all three are items this Council will be interested in and I like this we got a preview from the manager of the annual strategy meeting um he uh talked about the potential location um and again these were ingredients he was very conscious not to get aead of any of us in our ideas of what we'd like but uh brought forth um the Asheville concept to support um that part of the state obviously and there are other reasons we we should be there uh from a strategic perspective but obviously none more relevant uh And Timely um than the crisis that they have been going through um focused in on key areas of uh discussion of Mobility small business Workforce Development that's when the committee conversation came up um it was talked about to make sure that Council uh is able to truly lead a lot of the conversation set the strategy tone not just necessarily be presented to I think we've heard that theme before um as external speakers are identified consider leaders from to get into the weeds of it uh which I uh was in favor of so there'll be more to come on that but um that was the initial kind of unveiling of that we got our uh fy2 24 external audit presentation by Cherry Becker um and um I think the punchline is we got a clean audit there was an internal control deficiency related to a $5.5 million FEMA accounting item of a grant that we got there uh but we asked a bunch of questions and um felt that um it has been remediated and there won't be any um any ongoing issues that we'll experience from that uh and then finally the 2025 legislative agendas were discussed Dana Fenton brought uh through the update we all got the last time we were together uh and we went through um council member Johnson's recommendation was completely thrown out we did not focus on that at all I'm just kidding uh that was the that was the other meeting oh sorry I misread my notes here um that was actually the one change we made we made a a a slight wording uh clarification around the immigration related language to point specifically at the 2019 work that we had all done and put together not whatever the federal government comes up with on that front which I think balanced the comments we heard from her last week and then while we discussed in depth around some of the public safety concerns that council member watlington brought up we had a good deeper dive update onto some of the safety issues particularly around uh arcades uh and we were pretty satisfied that what's going on in Raleigh paired with what the abilities we have here those were were solved for and we all agreed that some elements of um the um the the density of establishments serving beer and wine and other related issues there uh is a relevant but complex topic and one that um perhaps as the takeaway uh not to change the legislative agenda now but have that deeper conversation if it's the council's will uh in the um Retreat so that uh we could get deeper into it so like I said a lot of people people online everywhere saying it was an amazing meeting I don't know if I agree but it was definitely well run I I read about that I heard about it yeah Observer cvj everyone's talking about I think I saw some gold stars labeled for that absolutely we should make him chairman or something else you can pat yourself on the back later all right so that that um Mr Driggs I I would just like as the numbers geek on Council to highlight the fact we got a clean audit everybody appreciate that all right it's a big deal a huge amount of work went into it congratulations to the finance staff and the manager uh it's not something you take for Grant group meetings dealing with the um Port 150 noise um but we also thought it was very important to have a discussion tonight as a part of the committee Day so I'd like to turn this over to uh our CEO of the airport Haley Gentry and she will walk us through what tonight will look like ready good evening Madame mayor Mr manager and council members good to be with you this evening uh my name is Haley Gentry and I have with me uh i' be remiss to not introduce our staff but I have Ted Kaplan Chief business and Innovation officer Jack Christine Chief infrastructure officer Katie McCoy raise your hand Katie strategy director and Stuart hair community and economic Affairs man director excuse me we just changed the name of his team so I apologize and um all things team airport we also have a representative from American Airlines who you know very well Tracy montros we're going to get started I'll try to be brief um in the interest of time I want to allow you time to ask questions if needed but I also know that some of you have been gracious with your time and have shared um shared that with us previously to discuss this so bear with me where did it go Amanda been a snake it would have been me okay I do airports not Tech so okay we'll get started um we're going to start with a brief overview of what the part 150 is and is not uh we will recap the timeline as well Community involvement will be touched upon and then we'll get into the draft recommendations so what is a part 150 the part 150 is the mechanism with which the FAA uses to to guide and control planning for noise compatibility in and around airports so that's pretty straightforward but you would be surprised how a lot of the community when we start to engage in these conversations doesn't understand that this has a specific focus and is limited to specifically what we just uh cited we started our first program in 1987 at the airport and uh the program is using the faa's work a goal of program is to develop a balanced and cost-effective plan for reducing current noise impacts so what does the part 150 include it has three elements noise exposure Maps noise compatibility program and public involvement these are the elements which you'll see the recommendations coming forward later in the presentation I'm not going to read all of those details but that does recap for you uh the various elements of the program we'll be discussing so as I mentioned to you we've had a part 150 program since 1987 this is not new to to CLT but it has gone through several reiterations in 96 the program was updated and then again in 2015 our noise exposure Maps were updated to reflect our newly added Runway Charlotte has invested more than 120 million in local community efforts that are related to the part 150 that includes sound insulation of churches schools and homes as well as as property buyout residential acquisition property residential property acquisition say that 10 times fast so what was the timeline like for the project well we started in January 2022 with with this very body approving our contract with land and brown who actually conducted the study on behalf of the airport um the middle of the the chart here talks about numerous milestones for the program many of you um are aware of that we've updated you as we've gone through this and then again uh in October and November thank you for your time where we sat down and actually had uh small group briefings to bring you up to speed we are here tonight in hopes that we will be on the December 9th agenda at which time we will bring you a document for recommendation to the FAA so Community involvement we've talked about that a lot um you know there was a high level of community engagement a high level of uh public contact I I'm not going to go through every one of these you can read all of them but we had stakeholder involvement we had um there we go stakeholder involvement we had uh General Community involvement we also had a public hearing where there was a court reporter who put things on the record for official comments and in conjunction with that we had a ton of um public Outreach including social media newspaper uh dedicated website dedicated emails so what are the key record recommendations there are three overarching themes safety efficiency sustainability and geographically balanced distribution of flights again the three elements of the program noise abatement measures land compatibility use and land use mitigation measures so let's jump into the details of the recommendations if I can drive it here okay in the very beginning we talked about noise exposure maps and what the part 150 is for those of you who are not familiar with it this is our current noise exposure map you can see the contour lines um I've had some people refer to this as the giant amoeba that is actually a gra a graphical depiction of what the noise looks like around the airport so this is our current environment the part 150 program is designed to study the Noise Within those noise Contours so having that bit of background ground let's go through the key measures um updated measures as you will see um on the chart are things that are carried from the previous program to the current program the new things are new or changed so I'm not going to comment on the updated items they're Minor A lot of them are recognizing Runway headings changes they're very technical in nature um but in general there's been no significant change change the new items however I will comment on this one on this particular slide under noise abatement measures we have the runup policy the runup policy is a function of the airlines that operate in Charlotte and it means they have a designated place where they test their engines and they run them up uh run them up at capacity very loudly so this is something that happens in various locations on the airport it is noisy and this policy did um dictates the time and the location which they can do that the second change here is the new nighttime Runway use and what we are what we are dealing with there is we have a Runway that has come out of service Runway 523 and it is being decom decommissioned as part of the Airfield expansion as part of that this study will look at how do we accommodate nighttime restrictions where are the airplanes coming in how's the Airfield being used to minimize noise in our community so let's go on to the second category no noise abatement measures so there's a lot happening on this drawing but what you can tell um is in the purple those are existing flight paths so this plan is scheduled to implement new Divergent headings for departures to disperse aircraft across a wider area of course pending environmental review by the FAA what you're seeing in the blue is the proposed future flight paths now these are this drawing was simulated or produced from simulations it shows all future proposed headings it is not intended for all of them to be used simultaneously it was just done for this this this simulation purpose um right now we currently have eight we have eight headings and you can track that if you to count all the purple lines there has been no significant change to our airspace modernization efforts since 1979 but yet we have quadrupled our passengers in Charlotte and our Airfield traffic so this is a result of that and this is something of course you will hear a lot more of from I will tell you that this is something that um will have to be studied this is a recommendation of the program this cannot just be implemented it will go through an environmental process with the with the FAA as well as an additional public comment and the last category is uh land use compatibility measures oh excuse me next to last category and basically this is um updated the have been in the plan they've been updated to reflect the fact that we're going to continue in our community to recognize the real estate disclosure process which is the airport noise disclosure overlay it's been in place for many years and this is a real estate process that requires the realtor to identify that the property you may be buying is located in the noise disclosure overlay and there is a picture there of uh what property lies within the nor disclosure overlay and that has not changed and will not change with the program and lastly we have our land use mitigation um I think public information is extremely important this is a a process that will continue we must do this to advise our neighbors of what's happening and to help people understand what's happening in the community we'll also continue our sound insulation efforts as I mentioned to you earlier uh We've invested $120 million in our community that will continue through um our voluntary acquisition program as well as things uh homes schools and churches that are eligible for sound insulation so what's next we intend to bring forward a council action to you on December 9th at which time we will ask for your support in recommending this program to the part one this program to the FAA the part 150 has been in the works for two and a half years um once that happens we will send it on and then the FAA has 180 days to review the documents as a result of that we anticipate that it will take them two years to implement recommendations of the program because as mentioned earlier anything that uh changes the airspace the way it is operated will have to go through a uh environmental analysis a public participation process and then the FAA has to um figure out how they're going to actually uh work those those particular recommendations within their own organization here is a follow-up timeline uh for those of you who are interested in the details once it leaves your hands um um these are projected timelines based on information that we have now um clearly the FAA um may change course when it gets to them we don't have any reason to believe that that would happen but this is our projection based on the information we have from them at this point so having said that I try to uh go through this quickly I will tell you um in anticipation of Monday evening that uh this is something that uh the FAA specifically air traffic control is extremely supportive of uh this is also something that our Hub carrier American Airlines is extremely supportive of I think you will also hear from our Airport Community Roundtable which is a group we meet with and work with routinely on how to mitigate mitigate aircraft noise in our community I think you will ALS o see that they are supportive of this effort um I'll be happy to take any questions you have at this point I appreciate your attention all right are there questions for anyone on the airport Mr DRS um not so much a question I just want to clarify the uh Round Table uh I spoke to them today and this group is important because they bring to us the message of people who might be affected by this it's a it works in conjunction with our other community outreach to give us an understanding of what the uh public response is and what they explained to me was they are supportive uh they did Express uh some frustration with the uh the cooperation that has existed between them in the airport uh and I think that's something that we can talk about um but the key takeaway is that they too along with uh rebick and a number of other parties have sent us messages of support um I think it's important to note you can imagine that when you see a picture like that and you see those blue lines the light blue lines going places where they weren't before there are going to be people who aren't happy so this is not an easy thing for us to do and if you think about the Metroplex process that some of us were around for uh when this was done six years ago uh um so we're going to have to work through that uh I can tell you that because of the critical contributions that the airport makes to Charlotte um we need to be prepared to minimize the uh impact on people and and to achieve an outcome that does uh as far as possible reduce the noise but we're going to have to accept the fact that some people may not like what we're doing uh we got to do it we just have to do it the airport is such a critical driver for us us job creation the economy uh and we need to modernize the way the airport operates achieve greater efficiencies and so um I personally having spent quite a lot of time looking at these materials will be supporting uh the action that is proposed to go ahead and submit to the FAA understanding that after that comes the environmental review and there are other steps but this is our moment to uh weigh in on the proposal and uh uh again my personal position is that we have to do this the best way we can but end up supporting the airport thank you Miss Johnson thank you so it looks like we'll get we'll receive the presentation on the 9th and also vote on it as well to forward it to the um appropriate Federal Authority all we intend go ahead Mr manager unless I'm mistaken thee you're doing the presentation now yes okay this is the presentation so when does the public have an opportunity to speak on this if if I could comment to that okay the part 150 has been a public process the en the entire um time of the study so if you'll go back to those Community engagement um slides it will actually indicate for you how many times the public has been invited to participate in the process um I'm assuming because this is a business action that you could sign up and you could sign up to speak uh for or against on the 9th as part of the regular Council process but beyond that um until the FAA was to start investigating these I don't see where there is an additional opportunity for the public to engage so I think you heard me just a few minutes ago talk about the public engagement and how members of the public do get over overlooked some somehow so I don't know and and we've experienced this with the Udo and different large init initiatives so I I I'd like it clear I want to hear from the public and and how they feel and and council member Brown I know you're working very closely with the community how many I don't know how many neighborhoods or or how much construction this will require for these additional um what are they called the runways right are these runways or just I don't know if there's going to be additional runways um if there's a map of what areas are going to be impacted do we have that information uh will neighborhoods close to the airport will they be is there any demolishing going on I mean do we have details about so there's no well there's no demolishing okay let me clarify okay if you if you look at the drawing that is on the draft recommended noise abatement measures those are simulated flight tracks those are not runways that's that's in the air as the path that the aircraft takes okay and to your point about has the community been engaged I'll be happy um I think we've shared this in our small group meetings but I'll be happy to email you all the documentation about who's been engaged when they've been engaged I so will there be additional runways that are that need to be built I know these are the flight path simulations will there be additional construction is there not as a result what do I need to ask that we don't know you know so is okay so there's no plan for expansion around the airport that would any of the neighborhoods no ma'am okay we do have a new Runway that is under construction now uhhuh but it it is being taken into consideration in this study and is part of why we are looking at the airspace analysis okay yeah I'd like to see a map where these areas are if we could if there's a actual map okay the the I'll follow up with you afterwards um there is I would maybe not just for Me Maybe for public consumption as well if there's anything on the website where the public can See's information on the website there's a lot of information but I mean in in plain terms where on the website is can they find can the public find this particular drawing that is here is not on the website yet we have not put it there yet because it was it was produced just in a week's time from a conversation we had last week with some of your peers so where is there map so CU people want to know how it affects them personally so is there a map where someone can see their street and and just know that they need to be paying more attention it's not done in that granular of of detail at that point this map that you have here with the district you can't see on here let's go back this map it's difficult to see here but there are council districts indicated on this map and that is the Clos we have to pinpointing where this is going to be cuz this is a a simulation that the FAA will study so putting some of this information out in that format has not been something that that the airport was doing or our Consultants have done at this point Mr J um s Mr Jones do you understand my concern we've gone through this with the Udo and different plans when you talk about granular that's the level that residents need to need to know the information you know it's not Engineers speaking to Engineers it's it's this is the public that needs to know how this is going to impact them we've lived through this with the Udo you know all the engagement and the games and the drive-throughs and then you we hear from our residents now who are opposed to you know the development because they didn't understand how it applied to them we've we've gone through this Council we understand how this impacts our our residents so we need to do better so I and I appreciate you your presentation Miss Gentry you're doing what you're supposed to do this is on us so we need I say we need at least a map with the with street names or areas so that residents who live near the airport understand that there's going to be a change to no noise and batement measures if you're concerned if it's going to impact you we need to hear from you on Monday I guess that's your opportunity Miss Johnson if I may I would caution us from putting something out that is so specific that might not be accurate because the FAA will make the determination about where these flight paths are we did a simulation for exercise purposes only to give some sort of concept and or uh inkling of what it would look like to go from eight headings to 27 but that is not necessarily what the FAA will approve and or Implement in our community so I think you could put yourself in a precarious position by doing something so spec so specific at this point so what are you asking us to vote on we will send these measures not the maps well let me back up the noise exposure map at the very beginning that shows the noise we'll send this will send the measures to the FAA it is a requirement that your governing body a federal requirement that your governing body endorse your project and we will send that to the FAA and then they will start to study it that this is what we think is our best option in our community for bringing forward an updated part 150 thank you again I think our public needs to have the information we have in um terms that they can understand so so again all of our decisions there are PE people that are attached to to them and I'd like to see a map or something you're asking us to vote um I'd like to know what the areas are that we're voting on and I think the public should have access to that information as well thank you Jack do you have something further about the matter yes ma'am um good evening everyone uh council member Johnson the this measure is the starting point there will be another public process with the FAA will conduct if this measure is approved that will allow the the community to uh comment on these headings that could be utilized in the future for Divergent headings so this is not the only opportunity that the community will have there will be another with multiple uh opportunities for the for the public to comment in that process thank you for that information but one of the challenges that that we're faced with is transparency so we want to make sure we're giving all the information to the public sooner than later at least I do thank you yes Miss Council Morman Brown um Miss Haley thank you so much for your presentation while um council member Johnson those are not foreign questions and statements that she's making I spent a great deal of time with you at the airport and I understand the capacity I've also set in the small groups council member Johnson did you get to sit in the small group did you take advantage of that I don't okay you don't remember did I so if you don't remember that means that you didn't go virtually no it was in person oh no I didn't okay so that was a great deal of information that they submitted out um in detail and allowed you kind of small setting allowed you to act oneon-one I don't oppose anything that you're saying I'm just saying for all of the relevant questions that you had they presented those in the small group settings the information the data everything that you're asking still very valid um while we um are on that topic I got a message from a constituent that said um the andos uh we are very alarmed that the current airport no noise disclosure overlay district is changing to reflect the current noise levels or future noise projections we are concerned that the proposed use of the larger outdated 1996 boundaries will allow the airport to designate a greater swath of land as incompatible for residential use this is from our legal um team and so I guess the end they they're concerned about the overlay of the map um around the other are can you explain that because I know that I was in we there there is no change to the boundaries of that Ando document okay we are going to continue to use the old boundaries this is a clarification in the program and says we will still use it in our community but there is no change well it so it was very beneficial for me for the record and for everybody listening looking on YouTube tuned in to our city council meeting very very useful for me to be in the meeting to ask my questions to um understand the community piece of of it because Community had a lot of concerns about transparency I asked those tough questions um you answered those you and your team if there's still something out there open that someone wants to know I would like for them to email me so I could send that information to you as you and I are working through what is um yes is the number one economic driver for our city but we also want to make sure that Community is engaged you shared the information from the community perspective I asked you about seu and the Union about neighborhoods people around um so those groups were very beneficial if we could have the time to attend them I know sometimes our schedules prevent us from doing so if there's something that you would like for me to get for you Council M Johnson I'll be more than happy to do that um my questions were answered in the meeting um and so if there's anything unanswered I would like for you know it to be addressed for you because you are a part of this body and you do care about the concern and transparency of the community just like I do so yeah absolutely my my issue is for the public it's not it's not just my questions I want to make sure there's public engagement the information is transparent so in individuals can see how that applies to them this is a this is what happened with the UDF it's very very high level when you talk about granular or getting into the weeds the residents want to understand it at that level so that's councilwoman Johnson if I may um we do have a group called the airport community Community round table and that is a group that we meet with um routinely and they do represent our community there are people who live in the highest noise zones and there are people who live north of the city and some into the edge of South Carolina so this is a ongoing group that represents the community all the time in our conversations not just when there's a part 150 in the part 150 process they were actually um on our stakeholder technical committee and they have worked very closely with us through this process in addition to that we've had uh three Community meetings and which are two days at a time when we have them and then we also had a public hearing and the public hearing has Community commentary and we had great participation at those meetings people who were really interested so I do feel confident about telling you that we've had a thorough public participation process and um we'd be happy to share more documentation with you offline if interested all right um Mr Jones oh I'm sorry I'm sorry my mic was off might have may I speak oh of course yeah so I'm dialoguing with um my council member Johnson and um Miss Haley from the airport so council member Johnson when I say me I mean my seat which belongs to the constituents when I say I I mean I attended representing representing for the people so you and I are on the same page once again with the information that has been received and transpired I Community communicated to community leaders I I don't have any opposition if there is any of my colleagues that have opposition because this has been going on for quite some time for a very very long period of time and for the information that I dug into for the answers that I asked for the years of the studies and the mechanism that it take um for this to get off the ground just a part 150 I'm speaking of and for the information that has been presented I'm saying your questions could be answered had you attended the round table no so we have a letter from seu um it's in our email right now and they're asking for uh weekends and and different uh times of the night when working folks can attend the meetings so again this is just one letter I open right now we we've lived through the Udo process and I and I understand what you're saying but I also represent citizens who don't who didn't get the engagement they needed so I understand you've done a lot but here's one example and I'm sure we'll get more after this discussion we I just want to make sure that the public can understand it and when you look at this this map it doesn't it's not very clear on who's going to be impacted by this thank you thank you mayor members of council so uh council member Johnson um I um understand what you're saying and if there's anything that we can do as a um staff as a team to look at the way we engage we're open to that I am extremely supportive of what Haley has been doing over the last couple of years in terms of getting us to this point today but I wanted to make sure that I support one what the the team has been doing but also I understand your concerns and very open to other alternative methods of engaging with our community so I mean this is a difficult one and I'll just lay it out like this on the plus side it seems with the detail we've been given this is a no-brainer for our airport for our Tower controllers for our carriers uh for a variety of reasons I think that's almost undisputable I'd be shocked at some point if we found out that was not the case I think on the con side which again I agree with some of the comments made that I mean that really Falls more squarely in our lap um than anyone else's as a responsibility I have in my seven years uh uh on this body never experienced the level of passionate um outcry that I experienced when the FAA rolled out the Metroplex stuff that changed routes and noise patterns almost in the same kind of approach that we're seeing here I mean it was substantial it was most directly impacting my district and I was I was out there hearing firsthand how they felt so that's the thing we have to balance and you know I think the unfortunate part of this is you know there there's a week to basically do anything that hasn't been done I know a ton of work has been done up into this point but I sat in front of a neighborhood meeting two weeks ago and there was probably 70 people in it and I brought this up and I said how many of you have heard of this obviously nobody had heard of it in that room um you know so I gave them the website and I said you guys should get up to speed because um and I think this is the the punchline that while there are many steps to come and it will take many years to bring this to fruition there's only one shot that this council's going to have at it and when it gets into the faa's hands I will tell you firsthand the FAA was absolutely no help to me in those Community meetings during Metroplex they were they wouldn't engage I Had No in fact the only saving grace was the fact that why I didn't get murdered was was that I said I had nothing to do with this the council had nothing to do with this so now we're at this unique spot where the council does have something to do with this does it mean even if we were to say no that it can't go forward and I'm not trying to Discount I know it's critically important to the airport and we have to balance these things out but I I I really I mean there's a week I would love to see you know a a dedicated spot of a public hearing even if it's on the same day of where neighbors could have a chance uh to to voice their their uh their concerns or support I would love there to be some kind of Outreach process to um neighborhood associations and folks and I understand why people may be hesitant to kick that Hornet's Nest but there's only one chance to hear that and and and unfortunately I think what the case is is even if we do that it will be like the Udo but it will be like the Udo where we screamed about it talked about it for two years Straight No One fully understood until stuff started happening different next door to them and then all of a sudden that's when the backlash is going to come and there's going to be no opport and we're just going to be once again I'm sorry there's nothing we could do and I'm sorry you weren't paying attention in the week that it was public for the general population so I I I if you're looking for the simple answer of what this is going to do as far as I I understand it it's not going to demolish neighborhoods it's not going to change the configuration of the airport but it's going to drastically change where airplanes fly over in this community um to places that um haven't had it before it may benefit some that are getting a bulk of it now but the punchline is if they ask you cannot there's nothing we can tell them you can tell them predictions and models of where it could go but you can't say that well it's going to be less here or more here because we simply don't know at this point which is part of the Catch 22 so as someone where those new blue lines go over it distinct and large portion of my district that didn't get it before and I have experienced my district firsthand I'm very hesitant uh in my approach to this I I don't I don't I understand the other side of this coin and I don't want to you know gum up the works but Mr manager if there's some way that we can do a little more with the general population of neighborhoods so they're aware and they have a chance to talk to us I mean I to me that would be the only way that I could even humor supporting something like this at this point if I knew that in the last push we made a big effort to make sure we heard their voices because right now I think there's a very small percentage of people that are on the inside baseball portion of this that have had their voices heard and many of them do represent communities I'm not trying to say they don't but it's it there's a difference when someone's like oh what's that noise over my house and I never had that before and you know I I've seen that anger firsthand so uh again I I'm trying to be as balanced as I can to say this is not a no-brainer either way but there is some truth to the aspects of making sure the community had a chance to to voice their opinions because we only get one shot at this as a at a councel and then it's out of our hands for the rest of the process M Mr barari um Mr DRS so I I'm interested in your comments I'm glad you're still alive for one thing uh but I'm interested in your comments because uh 2040 plan I77 north it is really difficult to get a large number of people to participate in take an interest before right they they see it coming and then you go well we tried we tried you know so I don't know whether there's anything that we could have done that we didn't do in order to get the message out on a large scale but I I just know experience has shown that uh over and over again we've tried and then we got the backlash when everybody saw the outcome of the decision ision rather than during the making of the decision um I I'd like to ask um oh I could I could I have a moment so I just wondered I remember when we did this on the west side of town and all of the planes landed there and this was a big deal because it was trying to make sure that there was an ability for them to be included but I was wondering how many times have we had to do this in the lifetime of the airport how many times have we had to submit these documents if does anybody recall that we've only had two updates to our Port we've done two major updates updated the maps numerous I remember the flight paths have not had a significant change since it started in the program started in 1979 right so what so this has been something that has helped us create a great economic engine at the same time there is sacrifice with it and I think that Mr barari described it well the group that I sat on with they were at the um coffee shop every day talking about how do we do something differently at the end of the day um if you talk about a lot of this people have come to say well there is a way that you have to look at this to say what are we trying to do to achieve and we trying to give people more information about it my suggestion Haley would be you've got an airport advisory committee group that's working at this they understand it they know it and um to Mr B's point if there are people that really need to understand this they will not hear it from us as well as they would hear it from those folks that are already engaged and have worked in the process and I think have the ability to do it the time that we did this um the last one that I was involved in it was it was it was hard but at the end of the day the neighborhoods were able to work through this is where we would go and what we would do and some of this is just going to be growing pains for everyone but I think that it's a good idea to have people that are citizens in this community be able to talk to citizens in the community and I think that's includes the council members if they I mean Miss Brown you're out there all the time you get a lot of information and you're in a newly newly newly District I mean you're in a district that is fast growing a lot of these things have taken place and they went through that same process and they just had good leadership and good information to be able to accomplish it so um I think that Mr Jones has asked and said as well as Mr bikari let's figure out a way to get some information that's easily accessible if I let's do that for the admission of of what we're doing but again we have this plan that has to go to the FAA and I would like to say what are the consequences that we would have to have if we could move more quickly to get education out or processes out I mean you can do a lot of that in I think the time that we have if I may comment to that mayor uhu um the part 150 if you'll go back to slide two the part 150 is only addressing the area within the noise contour map okay so what we're talking about is beyond the noise contour map so the areas that would receive overflights we did not go there we ran a simulation based on the exercise of the additional gateways but we did not go there because that is exactly what will happen when the FAA launches their process we will go through a series of public meetings a series of public input and opportunities but that was not part of this study okay thank you for sharing that Miss Brown oh yeah so I have to come back um because it's my district and you know I get one vote even though I have to go out there and take all the hits and do all the work and show up for sciu and all the community Gatherings um so I would like to say that we are in this position and council member Johnson feel the way that she feel because of transparency because we're always feeling rushed that there's not enough information I understand that maybe the part 150 the community team um did that due diligence but if we go back to our community meetings on how we're getting information out to our constituents when I get a community meeting when we're getting ready to do resoning and that's zero on there it's so concerning to me so I would challenge us to at the beginning of year as we strategize and we go into our strategy meeting how can we the same way we Lobby for people to vote for us we knock on doors and send out whatever we send people get the messaged in we have really got to make sure that the message is out there our reputation has been tonish on transparency so that's why there's a lot of push back when it comes to the area um of the airport and transparency and what we need to do but that's why I as a district rep for the people elected for the People by the people that's why I go out meet with the airport that's why I've took it upon myself to build a relationship with Haley and her airport staff so it's um one of transparency where I'm weighing in for the community for the people that chose me to be in this seat and they know I'm fair and they I fight and so with the information that you presented to me Haley hearing my colleagues because they're very important I stand with supporting because of the information and how I dug deep I also don't want to excuse the fact that there is some very valuable questions and concerns out there so what are we going to do with just 7 days left we're always in a situation where there's always just seven days or we got two days or we got to make a decision I brought that up to Mr Heath in our meeting earlier today that there's just not enough time for anything in life when we're getting ready to come to our Council meetings when you look up it's time to be here so what are we going to do and how are we going to do strategically and be intentional when we move forward in trying to make sure that our community is informed our constituents the folks that put us in these seats uh are informed about our decisions and what because I've done my part and and and the people that put me in the seat know that I fight for them hard every single day and I'm not going to stop fighting for them until I'm here um you know while I'm here in my two years but it's important because transparency has been a big concern around issues with the airport I hear it all the time about what we're going to do and that's why I've took the initiative and the desire whether I want to or not I'm showing up I'm being there I'm engaged I'm committed I'm going to SEI meetings I'm taking the emails I'm taking the text messages so what are we going to do we have a week left I'm asking what are we going to do for we know that we send our information we go to community meetings as one person showing up there's three people showing up what are you going to do I'm I'm listening I'm all ears are Year to my my colleagues I think that we been asked by the airport to approve this on after having it on the next council meeting and to understand what I believe has been discussed is how do we do this and provide for additional information about it a as we are moving forward so how do we create more opportunities and I think that's something that is really going to um require the council's participation because it's what you said it's like the people that you want to be able to talk with and explain and I think it's best when council members understand that and and participate with the community so with that um I know that this has been yes Miss Johnson thank you thank you so one of the things that was mentioned is a public hearing on this next week um you also mentioned mayor there's been there's been I guess twice we've had some major changes I don't know if the last one was in 1979 oh this is I'm talking about when actually there was an airline called Eastern so don't worry about that yeah so so we didn't have Twitter we didn't have Twitter or next door Facebook or Internet or the interweb or any of that stuff there so yeah so I will wait for things at the time Miss Gentry and we can or no Mr Jones Mr Jones um if we could I don't know if there's a website where where because I'm sure this will be on the news is there a website where people can get more information between now and the 9th I also think that this map I don't know how long this has been public but I can look at this and we can barely I can see part of my district but I don't know what streets this is going to impact I think we need something on a more granular level so people can really see that the traffic patterns are going to change and have and have the opportunity to um speak out we another thing again we could have a public hearing on the 9th we could do some social media um Outreach and again this map needs to be more clear on what areas are impact your right Mr barari it looks like District Six is really impacted yeah all of in all of our districts District Four is going to have some additional traffic patterns so this needs to be more clear this is not even clear to us as far as what what areas this is As on the map so I think we need to be intentional and deliberate about being transparent in this process and get this information out um this week thank you we have the technology okay um Miss Brown oh yeah Miss Brown got a lot to say definitely have a lot to say so um as far as this map no we can't see that that's why as council members when we're elected we are given opportunities to show up to these small sessions these small groups and I challenge us if there's not an emergency or something going on or if those opportunity this is the opportunity to bring all this to the table council member Johnson you and I fight for the the same thing I would have to tell you that yeah what you're saying I'm not saying what you're saying is not correct but you had the opportunity to get all your information for District 4 I'm you and I having rhetoric I'm saying did you show up because you're asking about a map don't don't do that please no don't tell me what not to do you've missed more meetings than I have in 5 years it doesn't matter so don't talk to me about if I wasn't at a small grou I'm talking to you about this because you're so you're so passionate about something that's in my district that I show up for and I never disrespect you so you're upset and you're in your feelings but you don't want me to go there it's not professional it's not professional what you just did to me I didn't do that to you you did it to me I did not I said this is an opportunity to go to meetings but always a hurt dog will holler and you just did that you just did that so you did it to yourself so I'm the wrong person to do that with okay I think you know my background again going back and being professional cuz I'm very professional and I treat everybody in here with the highest level of dignity and respect but you get what you give on this report right here like I said there was an opportunity to show up I have been going out to the airport there is nobody that can reach out to SEIU they will tell you that I show up more than anybody that sit at this day is I'm going to take the heat for this because I go out and I show up you said five years I only been here for 11 months I can't show up for 5 years but I've been voting since 1989 okay thank you I you to the council all right do we have do we have a motion I I just like to there's no mo I just want to clarify one thing from my comments just in case it creates extra work which is not my objective it is um that uh um sorry uh it is that I I threw out the public hearing and things like that as a last ditch hope to figure out a way that I can get from my current position to a yes vote I'm not at all confident that that is achievable inside a week and even if it was with all the detailed information you have to get we had the Udo debates for two years and people still weren't basically paying attention until after the stuff started happening so of course I'm looking for a way to get from my current position to be able to support this in a week if there's some magic bullet in there um I'm certainly open to it but I don't want to give the impression that I want to create a whole bunch of new work between now and then I will say though the the the Crux of my issue isn't that I think there's some magical bullet that's going to give me the community feedback that will give me cover to make a decision I think the problem is it's a simple two-part question that people have to answer for people all across Charlotte do you value our airport and its growth and want us to invest in the things necessary to make it future successful I think most people would say yes to that but then when you look at my district and you say I'm I'm going to make the number up but it's probably directionally correct for the 50% additional people that didn't have the problem before this but we'll have airplanes at some level flying over their house now are you okay with that right I'm okay with it well I appreciate that mayor but you are not I didn't see you any of those Town Halls screaming at me no you I wasn't in the Metroplex I just have the Lanza but the the the point is no people aren't going to activate in a way in week or even a month or a year and actually tell us that but we have to in some time stand up and say Here's I'm going to make a decision for you based on how I think it's going to come and turn out in the end I think this is one of those scenarios so I'm looking for a way to get past that issue that I have right now but I just wanted to clarify I don't want a whole bunch of extra work because I'm not confident that anything could be achieved there so we have between until December the 9th this will be on our agenda for December the 9th and Mr DRS and then Miss Brown again Mr drgs um I just wanted to say for one I don't think that not accommodating the growth of the airport in the City by making some of these changes is an option all right and and therefore we're going to have to Grapple with this question of uh having a whole bunch of policy reasons for making a decision and accepting the fact that inevitably there will be people who don't like it and and our our our task is to improve the ratio of the benefits to the costs but we are not going to achieve an outcome hoping not to have any cost there will be people who are affected and uh who won't like it that won't change if we give ourselves another month and that's why when I discussed this if you remember uh Miss Gentry at in the beginning uh we got deep into the weeds there was the website and I said you know what for us here the real issue is dealing with the Public's reaction to a change in the noise patterns uh I don't think there's going to be a huge debate on this group about whether or not from the airport standpoint this is a an essential or whether or not the airport is an important resource to us what we're dealing with is public opinion in our respective districts I sit out on my deck in Ballentine and I hear planes it's not really loud but I hear them um so uh I'm hoping that in the coming week we can be as responsive as possible to the suggestions that have been made uh try to raise the profile of awareness take steps to do that um but also uh I would like to try to gather in the course of the coming week what the mix is of sentiment on this body uh because I know there is a mix of opinion and it it's to be expected that we will not achieve unanimity because of what I just said there are going to be people who are unhappy um so the question is is it going to be possible to pass something on the 9th and uh and I personally am prepared to keep working on it and try to achieve more clarity around that uh I hope you will think of ways that we can respond to the notice like do we issue a press release do we kind of get the word out to people that this action is being contemplated so that no one come come back later and say hey I didn't have any idea that was happening anyway that's my position thank okay m Brown you're our last speaker thank you there's always going to be someone that say they don't know anything is happening I mean you got to understand even with this election this results look at how many people I'm just being honest look at the results that we had of the election so clearly there's always going to be something that that people disagree with or don't want to happen but what I would like to see as a district rep for someone that has one vote on this Council uh for all the work that I put in for us to move forward with transparency to be able to show our constituents that we do care about them that we're not just siding with the airport anybody know that I'm not just siding with anybody I don't go alone to get along okay I make good trouble and sometime bad trouble depending on who you're asking okay but at the end of the day when it's all said and done I want to do the best job that I could possibly do for my constituents I know that I've been doing that I've learned a lot in my 11 months and there still a whole lot more to learn but what I came here with was representing the people what I swore in with was representing the people that ain't changed so again I made it my business to build a relationship with airport staff because there was some transparency concerns there and so that's my job for District 3 the airport is in my district there are all types of constructions Hills mud dirt I travel through it every airport air airport the sounds all of that stuff is around my house this city is growing I'm not going to be here forever so moving forward with transparency what are we going to do so that constituents know that we care about them and that we're not siding with anybody cuz I didn't take the seat to side with anybody except for the people that put me in the seat so I would like to see what we're going to do within the next week I heard uh bukari say that it's impossible nothing is impossible so we need to put something out there to show our efforts that we care about the people okay thank you all right I believe everyone has had at least once or twice to speak on it those that were I think I had a little bit more but I I earned that yes you did thank you all right so um Mr Jones that's all we have that's it for tonight so do we have a motion to adjourn absolutely all right all in favor yay that's what it is thank you guys very much for the attention to the committee [Music]