>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYOR PRO TEM KATIE PRINCE, THAT IS SHE WILL BE ON ZOOM. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, FIRST ITEM A, HERITAGE COMMISSION MEMBER APPOINTMENT. >> Ricciardelli: DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND I HAVE CONFERRED, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE DAVID FOR THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, SOILY SO MO. >> Tu: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. 7-0. NEXT ITEM IS PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS, ITEM A IS MULTI-CULTURAL OUTREACH ROUND TABLE. THE CO-CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT DONNA HARTMAN. MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT DONNA HARTMAN. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AN A SECOND TO APPOINT DONNA HARTMAN TO THE MCOR CO-CHAIR. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES 7-0. THE OTHER ITEM IS PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, FOR A MEMBER. I'D LIKE TO APPOINT JAN RUGG, MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT JAN RUGG TO THE PHA BOARD. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT JAN RUG TO THE PHA BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES 8-0. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE 2024 HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. LORI? >> Prince: GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO YOUR LAST MEETING REGARDING THE 2024 HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. JUST WANTED TO PARADE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE STATE TIME LANE THROUGH TDHCA, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PARTICULAR NOTE THAT NOVEMBER 9TH IS WHEN TDCHA IS GOING TO BE FINALIZING THEIR PLAN. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT WITH THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS BEING DUE ON MARCH 1. SO CITY COUNCIL W OPTIONS AHEAD OF YOU THIS EVENING. THERE ARE -- WE HAD A 2022 HOUSING TAX CREDIT RESOLUTION APPLICATION PROCESS, IT DID HAVE SOME MODIFICATIONS MAY BE POTENTIALLY NEEDED PER THAT QAP AS DISCUSSED. YOU MAY ALSO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED AT YOUR LAST MEETING OR YOU CAN LOOK AT A COMBINATION OF EXISTING PROCESS CONSULTANT RECOMMENDATIONS ANY ADDITIONAL CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION. SO WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THIS RELATIVELY SIMPLE AND HAVE PRIDED TABLE FOR YOU TO REVIEW SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVEL AREAS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, THE FIRST THAT WE ARE HAVING BROUGHT TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION IS WHO WILL BE THE REVIEWING BODY FOR THE 2024 APPLICATIONS? CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION, THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT BE CHANGED TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF, AND WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO. >> Mayor Muns: IS EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH THE COMMUNITY RELATIO COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THAT WORK? I THINK -- >> YES. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO NEXT ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION IS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ZONING AT THE TIME OF THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT RESOLUTION APPLICATION SUBMISSION. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED NO CHANGE, AND WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: WRONG BUTTON. I JUST VOTED. [ LAUGHTER ] I -- I LISTENED TO THE CONSULTANT'S COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I THINK -- I THINK WHAT HE PRESENTED WAS CORRECT BUT BACKWARDS FROM WHAT WE SOUGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE HAVING ZONING IN PLACE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON HOUSING TAX CREDITS, BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN MANY TIMES CONSIDERATION BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, WE GET REQUESTS PERTAINING TO THE EXACT SAME DEVELOPMENT DONE PIECEMEAL, BUT WE DON'T CONSIDER THEM HOLISTICALLY, THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED HOLISTICALLY, AND IF AIVEN DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T SUIT THE ZONING NEEDS, THEN I SEE THE APPLICATION OF THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT AS MOOT. AND WHEN WE DO THINGS IN REVERSE ORDER, WE CAN INVITE PROBLEMS. >> Mayor Muns: IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? AT LEAST LETTING STAFF EXAMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK, AND BRING THAT BACK AS A RECOMMENDATION? >> Smith : I THINKHAT IS A GREAT IDEA. ONE THING I MIGHT THROW OUT THERE AS AN ADD ON, MAYBE THIS MIGHT WORK, IF WE CAN'T PUT IT IN WHERE ZONING WOULD BE REQUIRED, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST WE SHOULD COME UP WITH A FORM WHERE THEY WOULD GET -- DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL CREDIT IF THEY DO HAVE THEIR ZONING, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SHOWS SERIOUSNESSON THEIR PART, AND AFTER ALL WHAT WE WANT IS FOR THESE PROJECTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK THE MORE THEY DO ON THE FRONT END TO SHOW THEY'RE SERIOUS AND GOING TO DELIVER THAT, THE BETTER WE'LL BE. Mayor Muns: TT'S A GOOD IDEA. I LIKE THAT. OKAY. >> OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, FOR OUR DIRECTION, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK, IS THAT COUNCIL DOES WISH TO REQUIRE THAT THE ZONING BE IN PLACE FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT, OR IF NOT, THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY HAVING ADDITIONAL POINTS PROVIDED IF THEY HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE? >> Mayor Muns: CORRECT. >> SO WE'LL BRING THOSE TWO OPTIONS. THE NEXT PART WAS WHETHER OR NOT A HTC APPLICANT IS A LOCAL DEVELOPER, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO CONSIDERATIONS GIVEN UNDER THE 2022 PROCESS, THE CONSULTANT DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES TO THAT, SO W'RE SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHETHER COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE ADDITIONAL POINTS OR CONSIDERATION GIVEN FOR LOCAL DEVELOPERS. >> Ricciardelli: MAYOR, IF I MAY, I'LL JUMP IN. SO I THINK THAT INVOLVEMENT IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL, AND HAVING A TRACK RECORD OF THAT OVER TIME IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE GIVING CREDIT FOR, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MEAN A HEADQUARTERS WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF RECORD OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE CITY OF PLANO SO THAT WE KNOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO IS SERIOUSLY INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> Mayor Muns: SO WE'RE REALLY TALKS ABOUT MAYBE A GRADE BONUS FOR BEING THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING ESSENTIAL IS NOT -- I THINK WE'RE JUST GIVING SOMEONE MAYBE AN EXTRA POINT OR TWO, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER -- WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS. >> OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: FOR BEING LOCAL, BUT IT'S NOT -- >> NOT A REQUIREMENT. >> Mor Ms: AM I SAYING IT RIGHT OR NOT. >> I THINK PRIMARILY ABOUT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, I MEAN, YEAH, THE DEFINITION OF LOCAL COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BROADER SO IN WHICH THAT PERSON -- THAT DEVELOPER IS DEEPLY VESTED IN OUR LOCAL CITY DEVELOPMENT. >> Williams: ADDITIONAL RATING BUT NOT A ROAD BLOCK. >> ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. ONE THAT TOINT OR CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN IF A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY WAS LOCAL. CURRENTLY THAT IS NOT PROVIDED. THE CONSULTANT DID RECOMMEND THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH INCLUDING THAT AS ADDITIONAL POINTS OR CONSIDERATIONS FOR A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. >> Mayor Muns: I DO THINK THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT ACTUALLY THAN THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY -- IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPER BEING LOCAL OR HAVING LOCAL TIES, THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. >> OKAY. THEEXT IS REGARDING HOUSING TAX APPLICATIONS, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IF A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT IS PROVIDED TO AN APPLICANT, THE CITY PROVIDES THE COMMITMENT OF $500 WHICH IS A WAIVER OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES SHOULD THAT PROJECT GET THROUGH THAT HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. NO CHANGE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE CONSULTANT, SO WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TOO CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE. OKAY. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT PRACTICE -- >> Mayor Muns: WE'LL LEAVE IT ALONE. >> OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS REGARDING COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTERS BEING REQUIRED. AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE -- WE DO NOT -- WE DO REQUIRE COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTERS BE REQUIRED, THE CONSULTANT DID RECOMMEND ELIMINATING THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTER AND HAVING A INFORMATION SESSION WITH REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AS THE REQUIREMENT INSTEAD OF HAVING REQUIRED COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTERS, SO WE'RE JUST SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTERS. Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER WHEN I ASKED T CSULTT AUT THIS, HE ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT COMMUNITY SUPPORT IS STILL PART OF THE TDHCA PROCESS, HE WOULD JUST RECOMMEND ELIMINATING IT FROM OUR LOCAL PROCESS, BUT WE ARE THE ONES HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE LOCAL, SO I THINK WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT LETTERS THAN THE TDHCA, SO I WOULD KEEP THAT AS A PART OF OUR LOCAL PROCESS. >> Mayor Muns: DO WE GET A GOOD RESPONSE FROM THAT, OR IS THAT FAIRLY LIGHT? >> I WOULD SAY THAT JUST MY PAST EXPERIENCE WITH THESE PAST OCCASIONS IT'SEEN RELATIVELY LIGHT. I THINK WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE COME OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY CAN LEAVE IN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A SLIDING SCALE, IF THERE ARE MORE LETTERS THAN THAT, HIGHER POINTS, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. >> Mayor Muns: I JUST FEEL LIKE THE REQUIREMENT PART OF IT, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE POSSIBLY A GOOD OPERATOR MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TOO ONEROUS, DON'KNOW -- >> Ricciardelli: TO CLARIFY, I WASN'T INTENDING TO SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE A HARD AND FAST REQUIREMENT LIKE A PASS/FAIL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM, YOU'RE OUT, BUT ANOTHER THING WHERE THERE WOULD BE POINTS FOR HAVING COMMUNITY SUP REPORT. >> Williams: YES, WEIGHTED IN THE RUBRIC, BUT ADDITIONALLY I'VE HEARD OF A NUMBER OF DEVELOPER COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHICH SUSPICIOUSLY FEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY EVEN HEARD WERE HAPPENING. SO THE ONUS TO GO OUT AND GET THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT REALLY PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. >> OKAY. WE CAN WORK ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONES ARE NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION, AND TYPICALLY ARE MORE LOOKING AT HOW THE APPLICANT THRESHOLD QUESTIONS WOULD GO. THIS FIRST ONE HERE, ABOUT QUESTION 2, IS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY SIMPLE RECOMMENDATION WHERE WE'RE TAKING QUESTION TWO AND SPLITTING IT INTO TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE EXACT SAME WORDING, SO THAT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT DEVELOPER TO EXPLAIN THESE TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THAT ORIGINAL QUESTION. SO WE'RE JUST SEEKING DIRECTION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT THOSE UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS LOOKING AT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MARKET RATE UNITS. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS AT LEAST 20% MARKET RATE UNITS. THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT WE DROP TO 10% MARKET RATE UNITS. THE REASONING FOR THAT ONE WAS THAT THE QAP IS SCORING IN FAVOR OF MORE HEAVILY AFFORDABLE UNITS, SO THIS REALLY IS A DECISION THAT COUNCIL CAN MAKE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY -- IT'S STILL POSSIBLE IF YOU HAD A 10% MARKET RATE, SOMEBODY WOULD STILL COME IN WITH 20%, SO IT WOULD JUST BE A MINIMUM OF 10%. >> I THINK IT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD, RICK, I'M SORRY. >> MY CONCERN IS WE'VE HAD IT AT 20%, RIGHT? I THINK CHANGING IT, GRANTED TO 10% WILL CERTAINLY HELP BRING IN MORE FOLKS THAT ARE QUALIFIED FOR THOSE UNITS, BUT WILL IT RESTRICT THIS FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE OF WANTING TO GO OUT THERE AND RECRUIT AT LEAST 20% ON A CURRENT MARKET RATE? I MEAN, IT'S A FINE BALANCE THATE'RE HAVING TO STRIKE HERE, AND I'M THINKING, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE 10%, WOULD THAT JUST BASICALLY TELL A DEVELOPER THAT'S A NO-GO? JUST A THOUGHT. >> Ricciardelli: OH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION, LAURIE, BECAUSE AS COUNCILMEMBER HORNE ALLUDED TO, WE'VE HAD THE 20% STANDARD FOR YEARS. THE DISCUSSION AROUND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE THAT 80-20 BALANCE. I UNDERSTAND THE I BELIEVE GOG UP TO 90% AFFORDABLE UNITS COULD ENHANCE THAT, BUT WOULD THAT NOT MOVE US BACKWARDS ON THAT STATED REASON OF THE 80-20 SPLIT IS BETTER FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, IT LEADS TO A GOOD DEVELOPMENT? >> AND I THINK THE REASONING THAT WE HAVE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROGRAM IS IS THAT 80-20 IS A FAIRLY STANDARD MIX THAT YOU WILL SEE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, AS FAR AS CONSIDERED SORT OF A MODEL RATIO, AND AS I MENTIONED, IF YOU HAD THE 20%, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT MORE MIXED RATE. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ECONOMIC LEVELS THAT ARE LIVING WITHIN THAT SAME AREA. WE ALSO HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE FINANCING IS EASIER WHEN YOU DO IT AT AN 80-20 MIX. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR HAS ANYTHING HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THAT ONE, BUT THAT IS THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN THE PAST FOR US TO STAY WITH THAT 20% MARKET RATE. REALISTICALLY I THINK YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY, AND IT WOULD BE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: AS AN ADDITIONAL DATAPOINT, KEEPING IT 80-20 KEEPS IT CLOSER TO LEGISLATION PASSED EARLIER. >> Mayor Muns: DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING RICK. >> Smith : I WAS GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, IT WAS JUST A WORD, DEVELOPMENT AT LEAST 20% MARKET RATE, BUT AT LEAST, IF YOU HAD 40% MARKET RATE, THAT WOULD SATISFY THE 20%, BUT NOW THEY HAVE A 60-40 MIX, DO WE WANT TO SAY A MAXIMUM OF -- >> WE CAN SAY THAT, IF THAT'S THE PREFERENCE OF COUNCIL. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE. I REALLY DO. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Muns: I WANT US TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL LEAVE THAT. AND THIS IS JUST A FINAL PROPOSED TIME LINE, JUST SO THAT COUNCIL IS -- HAS SOME EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHEN YOU WILL BE SEEING APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT NOVEMBER 9th DATE IS KEY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROCESS ALIGNS WITH THE STATE PROCESS, SO WE WOULD BE BRINGING THESE PROPOSED CHANGES BACK TO NOVEMBER 2h CI COUNCIL MEETING. WE WOULD NEED TO GET SOME APPROVAL AT THAT EVENING MEETING, AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND GET INFORMATION OUT EARLIER. BUT WE WOULD THEN TUSH THAT QUICKLY AROUND AND HAVE THAT OUT THE DEVELOPERS BY NOVEMBER 29th WITH A DEADLINE OF JANUARY 12th FOR THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS. SO CITY COUNCIL WOULD SEE THEN THE -- WHATEVER HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AT YOUR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 12th. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> SE, THANKOU VERY MUCH, APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION. >> Ramirez: OUR NEXT ITEM, HAGGARDS FARMS PRESENTATION. HELLO PETER. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THIS IS ABOUT HAGGARD FARM AND THE PID. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT ME CAPPING THE ITEMS LATER ON THIS EVENING AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO FREELY DISCUSS IT, IF YOU WILL. HAGGARD FARM OF COURSE IS ON THE WEST SIDE. WE ESTABLISHED A PID EARLIER TH E PURPOSE OF THE PID IS TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT IS THE STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO OWN EVENTUALLY, WHEN THE PROJECT IS DONE. A WAY TO FINANCE THAT, THAT IS CHEAPER THAN PEOPLE CAN GET NOWADAYS, AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WORKED OUT AN AGREEMENT WHICH YOU ALREADY APPROVED WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND THEN I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'VE KEPT OUR -- OUR POLICIES HAVING VALUE TO LYNN RATIO, AND LEVY UNDER A DOLLAR, BUT THAT IS THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THAT. THERE ARE -- THERE'S ONE BP.I.D., BUT TWO AREAS WITHIN THE P.I.D., EACH BEING ASSESSED DIFFERENTLY, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN THE P.I.D. LAW, AND MOSTLY WHAT IT DOES, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW TO -- HOW UNIQUELY BENEFITS THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE LAND, SO YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE WHITE ONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WHITE AREA IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS WE'RE GOING TO CONDUCR EACH OF THOSE TWO AREAS, OF ADOPT A SAP AND ASSESSMENT, AND FOLLOW AFTER THAT WITH A BOND FOR THAT AREA, SO WE'LL DO IT TWICE. THEY'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BOND ISSUANCES, HAVING TO DO WITH TWO DIFFERENT LEVEES. THE FIRST LEVY, FIRST ONE IS APIMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER ONE, SHOWN HERE IN WHITE, ASSESSMENT ABOUT 45 CENTS. THE NUMBERS HAVE STRAIGHTLY CHANGED, WE HAVE REPRICED THE BONDS, BUT IT'S WITHIN HUNDREDthS OF CENTS. NOT GREATER THAN THAT. THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA, THAT IS BLUE, COVERED MOST OF THE PROPERTY, THAT NUMBER TWEAK ATWEAKED A LITTLE BIT TOO. THAT ASSESSMENT IS 33 CENTS. I'VE INCLUDED THIS AS AN EXHIBIT D, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL SEE HAS TO DO WITH SOURCES AND USESF FUNDS. AGAIN, YOU WILL SEE THE CITY CONTRIBUTON OF 6,000,600,000, THAT IS THE SUBDIVISION STUFF, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITHIN THE AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT A INCENTIVE , IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE OWED BECAUSE OUR WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN HAVING TO DO WITH PARKLAND. SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE SAME EXHIBIT, THE FOLLOWING PAGE, YOU WILL SEE THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTES TO THE P.I., ANOTHER COSTS, IT'S NOT ALL FREE WITH THIS BOND MONEY, AND THEY WILL OF COURSE BE PAYING BACK THE ASSESSMENTS UNTIL EACH PARCEL IS SOLD. YOU ALL KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON HAGGARD FARM. DOING A PUBLIC HEARING LATER, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF COMPLICATED IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S SAME BUT DIFFERENT. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETER? THAT WAS SO COMPREHENSIVE, PETER, WE'RE SPEECHLESS. >> Y'ALL HAVE EXPERIENCE SO -- >> THIS WAS FOUR ITEMS, IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE ALL AS ONE PRESENTATION, THAT HELPS SMOOTH THINGS OUT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETER. >> THANK YOU. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> YEAH. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REHABILITATION IN THE CITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE'VE GOTTEN A WHOLE TEAM TOGETHER TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS REVITALIZATION. WE'VE DIPPED OUR TOE IN THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT WITH THE MARKET ON 18th SEET, A TTLE BIT OF COLLIN CREEK, WHICH IS MORE THAN JUST A REVITALIZATION, A COMPLETE REDO, BUT ASSEMBLY PARK AS WELL. WE SORT OF ALWAYS HAD THIS PHILOSOPHY THAT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. WE SAW THAT IN THE MARKET AT 18th STREET, THEY ACTUALLY DID A LOT MORE WITH THE MONEY THAT WE GAVE THEM, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A REAL SUCCESS AND A BOON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HAS REALLY IMPROVED THAT CENTER. BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT AND REALLY CHANGING THE CENTER AS MUCH AS WE CAN, OR PUSHING IT FORWARD, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT THE -- THE BEST COMPLIMENT CAN BE THAT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS IS THAT PEOPLE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A NEW RETAIL CENTER, RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN REFACED, NEW STORES, NEW SIGNS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS A SORT OF PHILOSOPHY OF GRANTS, AND AGAIN IT'S ABOUT UPPING THE ANTE, AND I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE AT THE MOMENT IN PLANO IS ASSEMBLY PARK, WHICH IS OF COURSE PLANO MARKETPLACE MALL, NOT THE PRETTIEST BUILDING EVER IN PLANO, BUT TODAY THIS IS A RENDERING, BUT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THIS PICTURE, I THINK A LOT OF YOU WENT OUT AND I THINK IT'S A ROUSING SUCCESS ON WHAT THE CITY'S MONEY CAN DO TO PUSH IT FORWARD. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF GRANTS, WE'VE DONE A WHOLE MENU OF THEM, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, BUT I WANTED TO SORT OF, BEFORE WE GET INTO ANY KIND OF POLICY DISCUSSION, WHICH WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU, THIS IS -- IT'S ABOUT GETTING A FEEL ABOUT WHAT YOUR GRANTS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, SO WHEN WE GO AHEAD AND PW WHERE WE'RE AIMING FOR. SO LOCATION GRANT, IT'S JUST WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DOES, ENTICE A RETAILER TO COME HERE. I HAVE TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A RETAILER THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME FOR THE CENTER. YOU KNOW, TAKE FOR INSTANCE, H-E-B DOES NOT NEED ANY INCENTIVES, BUT MY POINT IS IT REALLY DOES CHANGE THE GAME, THAT IS THE TYPE OF RETAILER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUGE RETAILER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TH IS ING TO REALLY CHANGE THE CENTER FOR THE BETTER. WE HAVE LEASE BUY DOWNS, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO DO, IT'S SORT OF PUSHING THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT IN THE SENSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES RETAILERS WITHIN THE CENTER THAT IS REALLY HOLDING THE CENTER BACK FROM BEING BETTER. CERTAIN RETAILERS ARE GO NEAR WHERE THEY THINK THEIR BRAND WANTS TO BE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING LESS THAN, AND THERE ARE THOSE RETAILERS THAT THIS HAPPENS TO. I HAPPEN TO BE GOING TO A PANEL DISCUSSION ABOUT RETAIL, AND THE RAIL SHOPPING CENTER, THIS IS DOWN IN DALLAS, THEY HAD A STORE IN THERE THAT WAS HOLDING THEM LEASING THE REMAINDER OF THE CENTER, AND SO THEY JUST MADE THE BUSINESS DECISION TO HELP BUY DOWN THAT LEASE AND GET -- MOVE THEM HAPPILY OUT OF THAT CENTER. AND THEN THEY COULD THEN LEASE THE WHOLE CENTER UP AGAIN. SO IT WENT FROM 20% FULL TO 100% FULL WITH -- BY HAVING THAT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH SUCH A THING, PUT I WANTED TO GIVE IT TO YOU AS AN OPTION, BECAUSE IT COULD BE A REAL TOOL FOR US TO USE. FADE IROVEMENTS, AGAIN, WE'VE DONE THIS WITH THE MARKET. THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, HOW CAN WE MAKE IT EVEN BETTER AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE? DEMOLITION, THIS IS A SUNK COST FOR MOST PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET MONEY OUT OF THE DEMOLITION RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE US HELPING THEM DEMOLISH, IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE TWO BIG BOXES, DON'T TAKE THAT AS I WANT TO GET RID OF THEM. THIS IS JUST AN INSTANCE OF WHERE THERE'S NOT -- WE HAVE BIG BOXES AND THEY'RE JUST HARD TO FILL, I'M N SURE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A PICKLE BALL COME THROUGH, BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE THAT LUCKY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM AND HOW DO WE REIMAGINE THE SPACE. SO THIS WOULD BE SORT OF LEADING TO A WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE THING. LANDSCAPING, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ON COIT. I THINK THIS IS WHERE PICKLE BALL IS GOING. MY POINT ON THIS IS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LANDSCAPING OUT FRONT, THERE'S NOTHING FROM THERE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BUILDING, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, THERE'S NONE OF THAT. THIS IS A SHOPPING CENTER THAT PRE-DATES OUR LANDSCAPING ORDINANCES, IT'S REALLY FOR THOSE CENTERS THAT ARELDER AND NEEDING TO REALLY REVAMP AND MAKE THEM BETTER. AND THEN WE HAVE LIGHTING. A LOT OF TIMES LIGHTING CAN BE OLD OR SHINING INTO EVERYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO INCENTIVIZE FIXING THAT, AND THEN SIGNAGE, THIS HAPPENS TO BE ON JUPITER AND 14th. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY CLEAR, BUT THIS IS A CASE WHERE EVERY SIGN IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, SOME OF THEM WERE -- THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN FROM A SIGN ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE EVERY PARTICULAR SIGN YOU CAN THINK OF ON HERE, AND IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK COHESIVE, OR MAKE IT BETTER OR NEWER. AND SO THIS MONEY, A GRANT LIKE THIS WOULD BE SAYING TO THE RETAIL SHOP OWNERS, WHO MAYBE COULDN'T AFFORD A BETTER SIGN, HEY, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY TO FIX THE SIGNAGE IN THE WHOLE CENTER. THIS IS REALLY AN ALL OR NOTHING KIND OF GRANT, WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THE WHOLE STRIP SO THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS GOOD AND NEW. PAVING. THIS HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND SOME OF THE INTERNAL DRIVES WHERE WE THINK THAT IT'S RECONFIGURATION WOULD HELP, SO PAVING IN THIS SENSE IS ALL -EN COMPASSING. AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. THIS HAPPENS TO BE A DRIVEWAY NEAR ELLIOTT'S, SO THAT IS COIT AND PARK. YES. SORRY. I'M AN EAST -- I'M ON THE EAST SIDE MORE THAN CENTRAL. ANYWAY, AND I WAS DRIVING THROUGH THERE, BECAUSE I NEED TO GO TO ELLIOTT'S, I CAME OUT THIS SIDE, AND I NOTICE THAT -- IF YOU -- IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH BIG WIDE SIDEWALKS, GREAT TREES, WHOLE VERY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YET IF YOU WANTED TO WALK TO ELLIOTT'S, YOU WOULDN'T BE SAFE, BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY NO PATHWAY FOR YOU, SO WE TALK ABOUT CONNECTING THE RETAIL CENTERS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S MUCH MORE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN BIKES BEING A SAFE PATH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, AND THIS IS TYPICAL OF EVEN HOW WE DO DEVELOPMENT TODAY. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DO THIS IN EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT IF THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS BEING REDONE WITH OUTSIDE SPACES AND THEY WANT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, WE COULD HELP THEM MAKE THEM. THAT IS SORT OF THE LIST OF THEM. I'M GOING TO GO BACKWARDS TO THE WHOLE LIST FOR YOU. HERE. AND IF -- HAP T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU LIKE SOME OF THEM, ALL OF THEM, NONE OF THEM. >> SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SO THINK OF THIS AS TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX. >> RIGHT. >> AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADD, IF ANY OF THESE ARE MORE CONCERNING THAN OTHERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO PULL THOSE OUT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADD THESE TO A TOOLBOX, AND THEN POTENTIALLY GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO IDENTIFY MAYBE ONE OR TWO PILOT LOCATIONS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS HOW THIS MIGHT APPLY, AND WOULD COUNCIL WANT TO LOOK AT THAT BUS IMPORTANT WITH THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE RETAIL CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON SOME OF OUR FOUR CORNER RETAIL TO -- TO RECOGNIZE THAT BUT FOR SOME PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF SOME OF THESE THAT ARE SEEING INCREASED VACANCIES AND A DETERIORATION OF CONDITION, SO WITH THAT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PROVIDING SOME FEEDBACK ON THE TOOLS FOR THE TOOLBOX AND THE POTENTIAL FOR BRINGING BACK A PROJECT OR TWO AS A POTENTIAL PILOT, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. >> Ricciardelli: YOU KNOW, I -- SORRY. DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP FIRST, COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T CUTTING IN LINE. SORRY. ANYWAY, I THINK THERE COULD BE SPOTS WHERE THIS IS APPROPRIATE. I'D LIKE TO SEE US IN DESIGNING THE PROGRAM GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THINGS THAT PROVIDE A PRIVATE BENEFIT TO THE OWNER, AS OPPOSED TO THINGS THAT HAVE MORE OF A PUBLIC BENEFIT. I'M THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE LIGHTING. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT SO MUCH A PROBLEM FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS IT IS FOR ARE GETTING LIT UP AT NIGHT, NEIGHBORHOOD PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, POSSIBLY THE LANDSCAPING, THINGS THAT PROVIDE MORE OF A PUBLIC BENEFIT AND LESS OF A PRIVATE BENEFIT. WHEREAS OTHERS OF THESE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LEASE BUY-DOWN WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A TREMENDOUS PRIVATE BENEFIT. I WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO ENVISION A SCENARIO FOR THAT OR A LOT OF THESE OTHER ONES WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER MONEY FOR THAT. BUT I COULD POTENTIALLY BE MFORTABLE WITH A LOAN PROGRAM AT A REASONABLE RATE OF INTEREST, MAYBE EVEN LESS THAN THEY COULD GET FROM A BANK TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE POSITIVE FOR YOUR PROPERTY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO FROM 20% LEASED UP TO 100% LEASED UP BECAUSE OF THIS LEASE BUY-DOWN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY NOW, MAYBE WE COULD LOAN YOU MONEY AND YOU PAY BACK WHEN IT GETS LEASED UP. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEN WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING TAXPAYER MONEY AWAY FOR A PRIVATE BENEFIT BUT DOING SOMETHING THAT HAS BOTH A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC BENEFIT AND GET MONEY BACK WITH INTEREST. SO ANYWAY... >> IF I MAY, I DIDN'T QUITE GET TO THIS OR MAYBE I SKIMMED OVER MY THOUGHT ON THIS. BUT IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT IMPROVING THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. IF WE IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BY SOME OF THESE COSMETIC THINGS, WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE MARKET. I KEEP USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING WENT FROM $22,000 TO 2 MILLION. SO THAT'S LIKE 2,000% SINCE WE PUT OUR MONEY IN. WE GAVE THEM 500, IF YOU REMEMBER, AND THEY DID ALL THAT WORK. WHIL IT IS A PRIVATE BENEF IT DOES HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT, RIGHT? IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF THE BROKEN WINDOW SYNDROME, RIGHT? >> Ricciardelli: YEAH. >> SO YOUR POINT IS VALID ABOUT PRIVATE, BUT NONE OF THESE ARE DESIGNED JUST TO GIVE MONEY AWAY SO THEY CAN GET WEALTHIER. IT'S REALLY ABOUT BUILDING VALUE AND RAISING THE VALUE OF THE CENTER UP AND IMPUNING THAT INCREASED VALUE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU FOR THAT PETER. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I WASN'T SUGGESTING ANYONE WAS TRYING TO GIVE MEY AWAY FOR NO PUBLIC BENEFIT. I WAS JUST SAYING SOME OF THESE IT'S MORE PUBLIC BENEFIT, SOME, A LOT OF PRIVATE BENEFIT GOING ON WITH THAT. ON YOUR POINT ABOUT RAISING THE VALUE OF PROPERTIES, ANY TIME THE NET TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO BE POSITIVE, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE PROVIDING THAT TAXPAYER MONEY BECOMES A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. >> I HAVE A SLIDE OR TWO TO WRAP UP, BUT THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, YEAH. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: I'M AWARE OF A CITY IN AREAS WHERE THEY WANTED TO SEE RESTAURANTS IN DEVELOPMENT. WOULD THAT FALL ANYWHEHERE? IS THAT SOMETHING EXTRA WE COULD DO? >> IT COULD ON A LOCATION GRANT WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. I WAS IN THAT NEIGHBORING CITY. SO YEAH, WE DID A LOT OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. ACTUALLY DOUG WAS IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORING CITY AND DID THAT KIND OF STUFF TOO. A LOT OF THIS COMES OUT OF DOUG AND MY'S ON THE GROUND EXPERIENCE TO HELP RETAIL CENTERS WORK. SO YEAH, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IMPUNES VALO THE BUILDING. IT IS SOMETHING I CAN ADVOCATE FOR RATHER THAN HANDING OUT CASH. >> (OFF MIC). >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM, GO AHEAD. >> Prince: THANK YOU. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SEE US HELP REVITALIZE OUR RETAIL CENTERS FOR A LONG TIME. SO ON THE LANDSCAPING, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD LOOK AT -- AND MAYBE THIS IS YOUR THOUGHT WITH LANDSCAPING, BUT JUST EXPAND OUR THOUGHTS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND SEEF THERE'S IDEAS FOR MAYBE INSPIRING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TO CREATE MORE INVITING SPACES IN THE LANDSCAPE. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CREATE MORE OF A SOCIAL GATHERING SPACE OR A SMALL GREEN SPACE, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE MORE INVITING AND HELPFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS IF THEY WANT TO WALK THROUGH, THERE'S A REASON TO WALK THERE. YOU KNOW, A PLACE TO DRINK THEIR COFFEE, YOU KNOW, THEIR KIDS CAN RUN AROUND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'D LOVE IT SEE MORE OF THOSE IN OUR FOUR-CORNER RETAILS THAN, YOU KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE SO MUCH OF EMPTY PARKING. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WERE MORE THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YEAH, I THINK THE LANDSCAPING AND THE PAVING, ALL OF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT. SO WE COULD USE THAT, THOSE TOOLS TO DO THAT KIND OF INCENTIVE. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> Prince: GREAT, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU. LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE, I THINK ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE LEASE BUY-DOWNS WOULD BE GREAT CANDIDES F SETHING I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON AND OFF FOR YEARS, WHICH IS THE CONCEPT OF OFFERING OR SIMULATING PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS FOR BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO IMPOVE THEIR PROPERTY. SO IT MAKES SENSE, I SEE, FROM A COUPLE OF STANDPOINTS. FIRST, IT'S FUTURE CITY MONEY THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT EXIST TO GO TOWARD THE EXPENSE OF RENOVATING A BUILDING, DEMOING SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO, UPGRADING THE LIGHTING, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THESE ALL HAVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND IT'S NOT DIRECT CITY GRANT OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT GOES INTO PROVIDE THAT FOR ANY MEASURE OF PRIVATE BENEFIT. AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LEASE BUY-DOWNS. AND EVEN IF IT'S ONLY AN APPROXIMATION, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING THE LANDSCAPING OR THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO INCREASE. THEY ARE PAINFULLY AWARE OF THAT EVERY YEAR. SO IF WE'RE PROVIDING SOME KIND OF MECHANISM TO GIVE THEM AN ABATEMENT FOR THAT FOR ONE, THREE, FIVE, HOWEVER MANY YEARS, THEN IT WILL FINANCE THE PROVISION OF THAT THROUGH MONEY AT WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED WITH THE CITY IF WE NEVER DID THE WORK AND HELP FACILITATE THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND REVITALIZATION OF THE CITY. I THINK PROVIDING FOR ALL OF THESE BUT THROUGH A MECHANISM LIKE THAT WOULD BE A WIN ALL AROUND. >> Mayor Muns: OH, SORRY. >> YOU'RE FINISHED? >> I DIDN'T HEAR. >> Mayor Muns: I WAS KIND OF WAITING FOR PETER TO RESPOND. >> I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT COULD WORK. MY THOUGHT IS THAT IF YOU NEED CASH TODAY, TAX ABATEMENT TOMORROW ISN'T GOING TO HELP YOU. SO OUTSIDE OF A TERS, I'M ALL FOR TAX ABATEMENTS. I THINK THESE ARE A LITTLE MORE DIRECT, AND YOU CAN USE -- YOU HAVE MUCH MORE LEVERAGE ON THESE KIND OF GRANTS THAN A TAX ABATEMENT TO GET SOMETHING BETTER THAN. MY FEAR WOULD BE THAT A TAX ABATEMENT WOULD BE -- ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE -- RETAIL, IT MIGHT NOT BE -- THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD TAKE IT BUT NOT A WHOLESALE THING. >> THANKS. PETER, THIS IS GREAT. I LOVE THESE GRANTS HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME TIRED NEIGHBORHOOD CORNERS THAT CERTAINLY NEED SOME IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT WHAT WE'RE FINDING TO BE A CHALLENGE IS THEY HAVE MULTIPLE. THE BIGGEST HICCUP OUTSIDE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT GRANT IS THE COORDINATION OF OWNERS TO BE MOVING FORWARD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALSO ON THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, SIGN AGE, FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, I'D LOVE TO TIE IT TO LOCAL SUBCONTRACTORS, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO WHO PERFORM THIS WORK. THAT WAY THEY'RE GETTING TO BENEFIT FROM THE MONIES WE'RE AWARDING FROM THESE GRANT PROGRAMS. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE SEEING SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ECONOMIC TRENDS COMING DOWN FROM SMALL BUSINESSES PERFORMING THIS GREAT WORK. THERE'S SOME OWNERSHIP THERE, SOME PRIDE THERE, GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW, AND THE JUST A THGHT. >> SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IN HEARING SOME OF THESE, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME ADMINISTRATION CLARIFICATIONS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL ON THIS. AND I THINK TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS' POINT, THE POTENTIAL OF CREATING A REVOLVING FUND, SO AN INITIAL DEPOSIT OF ELEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO GRANT AND HAVE IT BE PAID BACK FROM INCREASED REVENUE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FROM THOSE ASPECTS OF HOW THAT MIGHT WORK, WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME WITH DENISE TACKE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT SET THAT UP SO IT REPLENISHES AND STAYS A RELEVANT FUND OVER TIME BUT MAYBE ONLY REQUIRES AN INITIAL DEPOSIT TO GET GOING ON A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. IF YOU LET PETER AND MYSELF WORK WITH DENISE ON THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN LIEU OF MAYBE THE ABATEMENT SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE THAT WOULD CREATE ALSO SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECTS I THINK THAT MAY PROVE TO BE CHALLENGING IN THE FUTURE. I THINK PETER HAD A COUPLE OTHER SLIDES JUST LIKE THIS. >> JUST LIKE THIS ONE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT ON THE LIST. THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. AND SO THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO WHICHOJECTS, RIGHT? FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WILLING PROPERTY OWNER OR PROPERTY OWNERS. SEVERAL LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS ARE MANAGED BY ONE FIRM. SO THEY WOULD DO THE RUSTLING OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO I THINK SOME OF THEM WOULD WORK OUT. YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHEN TALKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS. SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE -- THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS LET EVERYBODY WE KNOW WE HAVE A POLICY. THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AN OUTREACH PROGRAM IS PROBABLY NECESSARY TO DO THAT. WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST ALREADY. THEN OF COURSE WE'LL BE BACK WITH ELIGIBILITY BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST CAN'T THROW THE DOORS WIDE OPEN. WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT H-E-B NEEDS A THING. OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. THAT'S WHY I'M USING THEM. BUT WHAT DO WE DO? OF COURSE, THE GRANT PROCESS WILL BE LIKE THE ECONOMIC GRANTS WHERE WE'LL GO THROUGH THE INTERNAL COMMITTEE, HAVE OUTSIDE ANALYSIS AND THEN WE'LL BRIEF YOU AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. THERE IS SOME NEXT STEPS. SOME OF THAT IS PILOT PROGRAM FUNDED AND SOME LIMITING THE GRANTS ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL SPEND BECAUSE GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO STAY. AND, OF COURSE, A DRAFT POLICY FOR YOU TO SEE HOW THE MECHANICS WOULD WORK >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK IF YOU'LL CONSIDER A PILOT PROGRAM AND MAYBE THE AFTER THAT, LET US KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK AND HOW THAT PILOT PROGRAM WOULD WORK. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD NEXT STEP. >> WE'LL WORK ON THAT. >> WE CAN BRING BACK A DRAFT POLICY FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT AND SEE HOW THIS MIGHT BE APPLIED. HAPPY TO DO IT. >> OKAY, GREAT. >> Mayor Muns: YOU'RE STILL UP. >> I AM. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM. TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE. >> RIGHT, THIS IS A POTENTIAL TERSN A AROUND THE FORMER EDS CAMPUS. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- AND TO REMIND YOU WHAT A TERS IS OBVIOUSLY. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, BUT THIS IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS IS A PECIAL ZONE. IT DOESN'T CREATE NEW TAXES, IT JUST SHIFTS REVENUES INTO A FUND TO BE SPENT IN THE ZONE. WE ALREADY HAVE THREE OF THEM. DOWNTOWN, SILVER LINE, AND COLLIN CREEK. AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INCREMENT FINANCING, SO THAT INCREMENT IS SHOWN HERE ON THIS GRAPH IN BLUE. IT IS FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME AN THE IT ALL GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT IT REALLY ISN'T ANY -- SO WE ALWAYS COLLECT THE SAME AMOUNT WE COLLECT TODAY. IT'S JUST A SLICE OFF OF THE TOP AS WE MOVE FORWAR IN TIME. THERE'S A PROPOSAL BY THE DEVELOPER BY THE EDS CAMPUS TO USE THIS MONEY TO HELP FUND THIS WHOLE IDEA OF CHANGING THAT EMPTY CAMPUS INTO A BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH. AND AGAIN, IT'S A -- THIS WOULD PROVIDE A DEDICATED FUND OVER YEARS TO DO JUST THAT. IT ALSO COULD ALSO INCENTIVIZE -- SORRY -- FUND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT.pW SAY. THE PROJECTIONS FROM THAT PROJECT ARE ABOUT 30,000 WORKERS. SO WE FEEL THAT -- I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE OKAY WITH THE TRAFFIC AS IT IS. THE CAPACITIES. BUT JUST IN CASE THIS WOULD DO THAT, THIS COULD ALSO FUND THINGS LIKE A STATION OR PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS A HOSPITAL, IT COULD GO TO PAY FOR THAT AS WELL. THEY'RE PROPOSING 25 YEARS AND 65%. WE WILL GET INTO THAT INCENTIVE AT A LATER DATE. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT ESTAB ESTABLISHING A TIRZ TODAY. NOT TODAY. IT'S TALKING ABOUT ESTABLISHING A TIRZ SO YOU GET A FEEL AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF A TIRZ WE WANT TO DO. THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS. WHAT WE FEEL ARE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE SIZE OF THE TIRZ. THIS IS THE BIGGEST ONE. THE NUMBER YOU SEE, THE 314 MILLIO IS THAT INCREMENT. SO 65% OF THE GROWTH FOR 25 YEARS EQUALS 314. THIS IS A RATHER LARGE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE ALL ENCOMPASSING. THIS ALSO ENCOMPASSED SEVERAL OF THE LEGACY WITH A LITTLE L CAMPUSES THAT ARE NOT DOING SO WELL AND WANTING TO REDEVELOP. THIS MONEY COULD HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. THE SECOND ZONE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND MORE FOCUSED ON EDS. THE INCREMENT THERE WOULD BE 264,000. I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END WITH THE TOTAL. WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT IDEA THAT THIS IS THAT. THAT IS THE INCREMENT FOR THAT ONE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT 50,000, 70,000 -- 70 MILLION LESS. SORRY, I'M GETTING MY ZEROS MIXED UP. THIS IS THE PROJECT ITSELF, WHICH IS 230 MILLION. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GROWTH WITHIN ANY OF THESE IS ALL PEGGED TO THE REDO OF THIS CAMPUS. THE EMPTY LOTS YOU SEE WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARY WOULD COME ONLINE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE REAL GROWTH HAPPEN. THE FIRST ONE WAS 314, FIRM THAT. SO IT'S ALL THE SAME NUMBERS, JUST DIFFERENT AREAS. SO SUMMARIZING, I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES, THE GENERAL FUND STILL GETS GROWTH. JUST SOME OF IT GETS PUT INTO THIS FUND. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT ONE AND TWO, THOSE ARE THE LARGER AND THE MEDIUM-SIZED ONE, IS 50,000. SORRY. PARDON MY COMMAS. 50 MILLION GOING INTO THE TIRZ FUND WITH 27ILLIONOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THE TIRZ NUMBER, THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE IS ONE THAT IS JUST FOR THAT DEVELOPER. IT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS ANYTHING POTENTIALLY THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO HELP FUND. IT ALSO WOULD PROBABLY -- IT GOES AGAINST SOME OF THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING JOINING. IT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THEIR POLICY JUST TO DO IT FROM ONE DEVELOPER. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BETWEEN ONE AND TWO. PROBABLY ONE. BUT EITHER ONE WOULD BE FINE. I THINK. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES, ONE GREAT IN NUMBERS FOR ME, OVER TIME IS NOT -- IT'S ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR, I THINK. >> PETER, FOR CLARIFICATION, OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE SMALLER OF THE TWO PARCELS BUT INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST THE PROJECT ITSELF. IF THERE WERE TO BE ROADS, LIFT STATIONS, OTHER ELEMENTS IN THAT AREA, YOU WOULD NEED A BOUNDARY THAT SIZE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE TIF FUNDS CAN ONLY BE SNT IN THE TIF ZONE. >> THEY CAN BE SPENT VERY SPARINGLY OUTSIDE THE ZONE IF SAY THE LIFT STATION HAD TO BE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE ZONE. THERE'S A SMALL CAVEAT TO THAT, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY SPECIFIC. >> THANK YOU. >> AND WE WOULD NEED PAIGE'S INTERPRETATION. >> SO IF I COULD JUST GET SOME DIRECTION ON ONE, TWO, OR THREE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THEM HAVE SOME GUIDANCE. RICK? TWO? OKAY. I'M FOR TWO AS WELL. I THINK THAT HELPS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT CLOSE TO IT. >> OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: KAYCI? I KNOW YOU WEIGHED IN ON THIS LAST TIME. >> Prince: I'M GOOD WITH TWO. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> Williams: I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE COUNTY'S CONSIDERATION WITH TWO VERSUS THREE. I GUESS VERSUS ONE. >> WHEN WE DID THE PREVIOUS ONE, WHEN WE SET UP NUMBER FOUR, THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEIR POLICY IS VERY SPECIFIC WHEN IT COMES TO THEM, WHICH IS A YEAR AND AN INCREMENT, WHICH WE CAN WORK WITH. BUT THE ZONE ITSELF NEEDS TO BENEFIT MORE THAN JUST ONE DEVELOPER. THAT WAS THE KEY. >> YEAH, AND THE FOCUS IS REALLY ON ROADS AS A PRIMARY -- >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> -- PRIMARY BENEFICIARY. >> Williams: I GUESS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH TWO. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? TWO? GREAT. >> NEXT STEP, YOU'LL SEE A RESOLUTION TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THIS, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH NOTICE WHATEVER THAT DATE ENDS UP TO BE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM IS CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. IS THERE ANY ITEM COUNCIL PERSON WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR FUTURE AGENDAS. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A RECESS, AND WE WILL RETURN AT 7:00. (RECESS AT 6:45 P.M.) >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. MAYOR PRO TEM KAYCI PRINCE WILL BE ON ZOOM TONIGHT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETINWI THE INVOCATION LED BY DR. REVEREND BRUCE PRATT. AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY JUNIOR GIRL SCOUT TROOP 2171 WITH HICKEY AND DOOLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? >> LET US PRAY. LORD GOD, I WANT TO START WITH THE SPIRIT OF THANKS. GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER IN A PLACE AND DELIBERATE REPRESENTATIV ISSUES. I ASK TONIGHT WHATEVER BUSINESS ITEMS ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT YOUR MIND WOULD BE BROUGHT TO BEAR. I ASK FOR A SPECIAL PRAYER FOR THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO OCCUPY LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN. FAMILY LEADERS OFTEN BEAR A SILENT BURDEN THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEE AS THEIR LOVED ONES SERVE. SO I PRAY THEIR FAMILIES TODAY, TONIGHT, WOULD HAVE PEACE AND GRACE. FINALLY, LORD GOD, THERE ARE MANY FAITHS THAT MAKE UP THE FABRIC OF PLANO. MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF ALL OF THEM, I SUBMIT THIS PRAYER TO YOU ON THEIR BEHALF IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. BE SEATED. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE REDS? >> BLUE IS PRETTY. >> I GOT RED. >> Mayor Muns: DO YOU WANT RED? YOU WANT BLUE? HAS EVERYBODY GOT ONE? OKAY, LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. COME HERE, COME HERE. WE'RE TAKING A PICTURE. YOU GUYS GOT STICKERS AND ALL THE WORKS. Y'ALL COME ON UP HERE. YOU TWO COME RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. PERFECT. NOW, DON'T GET HIDDEN. AND YOU TOO. CAN YOU SEE? >> I'M GOING TO COUNT TO THREE. ONE TWO THREE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] OKAY. I'LL COME OVER HERE. SO TONIGHT WE HAVE A ANNUAL PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE ALWAYS EXCITED ABOUT THIS. SO THE SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ARE PRESENTING PUBLIC SERVICE AWARDS AND HONORING SEVERAL CITY OF PLANO FIRST RESPONDERS. SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF SONS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION, PLANO CHAPTER, BOB JOHNS, VP AND COLOR GUARD COMMANDER. DWAYNE CARTER, CHAPTER REGISTRAR AND GENEALOGIST. KEVIN ENNIS, VP FOR MEDALS AND ARDS. AND DAVE FATHERY, SECRETARY. GENTLEMEN, COME ON UP. [ APPLAUSE ] YOU GOING TO DO THE SPEAKING? OH, HERE IT IS. WE FOUND OUR MIC. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> YOU HAVE A MIC. >> Mayor Muns: WE DO NOW. LET'S HOPE IT WORKS. >> IS THIS WORKING? MAYBE. OKAY GREAT. SO ON BEHALF OF THE PLANO CHAPTER OF THE SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR SEVAL OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVANTS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS A GROUP CONSISTING OF MEN WHO HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT THERE ARE DESCENDANTS OF MEN WHO SERVED, WHO SERVED IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. WE ARE A NONPROFIT, NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION. AND WE OPERATE IN THE TRADITION OF CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS SUCH THA ALEX THE TOCQUEVILLE 200 YEARS AGO CONSIDERED TO BE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA SITUATED IN BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. WE ARE INVOLVED IN SEVERAL PROJECTS SUPPORTING ROTC, PARTICULAR VETERANS, SCOUTING, ROTC -- I THINK I SAID THAT TWICE -- AND SCHOOLS. AND WE HOLD MONTHLY MEETINGS OVER HERE AT THE OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE HERE WHERE WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE HISTORY AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR AREA. WE OFTENTIMES HAVE MEN TELL THE STORIES ABOUT THEIR REVOLUTIONARY ANCESTORS AND HOW THEY CAN CONTRIBUTED TO OUR COUNTRY. SEVERAL OF US HAVE ATTAINED UNIFORMS OF THE REVOLUTIONARY UNIFORMS OF THE ERA, AND PARTICIPATED IN THE COLOR GUARD. MANY OF US ARE ALSO DEEPLY INVOLVED IN STUDYING U.S. STORY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORY AND HOW THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE EVENTS OF TODAY. NOW WE'LL MOVE ONTO THE PRESENTATIONS. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE THOSE? >> WELL, I CAN, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, GO AHEAD. >> MAY I CALL FORWARD POLICE CHIEF? [ APPLAUSE ] THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND MAY I CALL FORWARD DETECTIVE STEVEN HOWELL? [ APPLAUSE ] >> AS DETECTIVE HOWELL COMES DOWN, I'LL TELL YOU WHY WE ARE BRIGING HIM DOWN. EVERY SPRING WE HAVE AN AWARDS BANQUET AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TWO OF THE AWARDS WE SELECT PEOPLE FOR ARE SWORN OFFICER OF THE YEAR AND CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR, DETECTIVE HOWELL IS DETECTIVE OF THE YEAR. HE WORKED 106 CASES IN 2022. SO WE WON'T TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE. I'LL GIVE Y O CASE IN PARTICULAR. IN ONE CASE, HE IDENTIFIED A GROUP OF SUSPECTS THAT WERE STEALING FORD F-250 PICKUP TRUCKS. AFTER A DETAILED INVESTIGATION, HE COORDINATED AN ARREST OPERATION, RECOVERING APPROXIMATELY $150,000 OF VEHICLES IN A HOTEL IN FRISCO. IN ANOTHER CASE, A DETECTIVE FROM GRAND PRAIRIE CONTACTED HIM ABOUT A SUSPECT IN PLANO COMMITTING ECM VEHICLE THEFTS. WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? >> ELECTRONIC (INDISCERNIBLE) NTROL. >> HE SET UP A SURVEILLANCE OPERATION. ULTIMATELY THE SUSPECTS WERE ARRESTED AND LINKED TO 20 ADDITIONAL VEHICLE THEFTS IN THE DFW AREA. HE WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY SUSPECTS TARGETING OLDER-MODEL PICKUPS IN EAST PLANO. HE HAD AN OPERATION THAT RESULTED IN THE ARRESTS OF TWO SUSPECTS THAT DRASTICALLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF OF VEHICLE THEFTS. HE WORKS CLOSELY WITH AUTO DETECTIVE THEFTS AND HAS ASSISTED IN RECOVERING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN STOLEN VEHICLE PROPERTY. THANK YOU, STEVEN. [ APPLAUSE ] JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IN THE CATEGORY THAT HE WAS SELECTED IN, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 340 ELIGIBLE OFFICERS FOR THAT. I AS THE CHIEF HAVE NO SAY IN WHO IS SELECTED BY THAT. HE'S NOMINATED BY HIS PEERS AND SELECTED BY A COMMITTEE OF OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES FROM ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT. SO WELL DONE, STEVEN. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> DETECTIVE STEVEN HOWL HAS THE MEDAL IN RECOGNITION OF OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN DEDICATION AND MAINTENANCE OF LAW AND ORDER. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: CONGRATULATIONS, THANK YOU. >> MAY I CALL FORWARD OUR CIVILIAN OF THE YEAR, DENISE ALVAREZ. >> DENE W ALSO SELECTED AT OUR AWARDS BANQUET BACK IN THE SPRING AS OUR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR. AND IN HER CATEGORY, THERE WAS ABOUT 160 ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES, SAME SITUATION. I HAVE NO SAY IN WHO IS SELECTED FOR THAT. WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE SAME COMMITTEE THAT SELECTED STEVEN ALSO SELECTED DENISE. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DENISE, DURING 2022 SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT DENISE ALVAREZ HELPS HIRING PROCESS FOR ALL SWORN AND CIVILIAN ELOYEES AND ALSO ASSISTS WITH THE OUTPROCESSING OF EMPLOYEE SEPARATION. SHE WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE EVERY NEW HIRE AND SEPARATION IS PROCESSED CORRECTLY AND EFFICIENTLY. IN 2022 SHE ASSISTED WITH 336 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS FOR SWORN AND CIVILIAN APPLICANTS AND ASSISTED IN AN UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS AND RESIGNATIONS IN 2022. SHE MAINTAINED HER USUAL THOROUGH AND HIGH-QUALITY WORK. DENISE PLAYS A KEY ROLE IN THE CASE MANAGEMENT OF EVERY BACKGROUND IN ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION ALONG WITH PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATIVE FILES, MANY OTHER DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES GO TO DENISE FOR ADVICE AND GUIDANCE REGARDING THE DAILY FUNCTIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. DENISE WORKS IN A VERY PROMPT MANNER TO ENSURE EVERYONE NEEDING SERVICES RECEIVES TIMELY ASSISTANCE. SHE IS A TRUE PROFESSIONAL WHO CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATES HER INTENSE COMMITMENT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YES, SIR. [ APPLAUSE ] >> DENISE AAREZAS BN AWARDED THE BRONZE GOOD CITIZENSHIP MEDAL ON BEHALF OF OUR AMERICAN PRINCIPLES. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU. AND MAY I CALL FORWARD FIRE CHIEF CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF. CHIEF? [ APPLAUSE ] MAY I CALL FORWARD FIRE DEPARTMENT FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR, TREVOR CARPENTER. [ APPLAUSE ] >> IN SIMILAR FASHION TO WHAT THE POLICE DO, WE ALSO DO AN AWARDS BANQUET IN THE -- EARLY IN THE YEAR, FEBRUARY. AND TREVOR HERE, HE WAS OUR FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THAT AND OUR MEDIC OF THE YEAR, OUR TWO MOST PRESTIGIOUS AWARDS WE GIVE OUT EACH YEAR. IN TREVOR'S CASE, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT HIM. HE'S BEEN WITH OUR DEPARTMENT SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2017. HE'S ONE OF TWO IN THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS FINISHED THE SMOKE DIVER TRAINING. AT SOUND SOMETHING LIKE YOU MIGHT BE DIVING OUT OF AN AIRPLANE OR HELICOPTER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT GOING ON. THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY EXTENSIVE CLASS WHERE IT REALLY TRIES YOU PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY. AND HE'S ONE OF TWO IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S COMPLETED THAT. HE'S ALSO A PART OF OUR SPECIALTY TEAM. WE ALSO REFER TO IT AS OUR USAR TEAM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT BEING CHOSEN HERE IS THAT'S A GROUP OF HIGH-PERFORMING INDIVIDUALS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NOMINATED TREVOR FOR THIS AWARD. THEN HIS PEERS VOTED FOR HIM FOR THIS AWARD HERE. SO TREVOR CARPENTER IS OUR FIREFIGHTER OF THE YEAR. [ APPLAUSE ] >> TREVOR CARPENTER HAS BEEN AWARDED THE FIRE SAFETY ACCOMMODATION AWARD IN RECOGNITION OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO PROTECT HUMAN LIFE AND PROPERTY BY PREVENTING INJURIES OR CASUALTIES DUE TO FIRES. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> NOW MAY I CALL FORWARD MEDIC OF THE YEAR, LEE JENNINGS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> LEE JENNINGS IS OUR PARAMEDIC OF THE YEAR. HE'S AN OUTSTANDING PARAMEDIC. WE USED TO WORK TOGETHER AT CENTRAL FIRE STATION, MADE MANY CALLS TOGETHER I PERSONALLY WITNESSED HOW GOOD A JOB HE DOES ON SCENE. BUT SINCE THAT TIME, HE'S BRANCHED OUT, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A COMMUNITY PARAMEDIC OGRA WHAT THE DO IS THEY GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SOME HIGH-RISK PATIENTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IDENTIFY THEM. THEY'LL GO OUT, WORK WITH THOSE PATIENTS, TRY TO KEEP THEM FROM HVING TO CALL 911 AND INTERVENE FOR THEM. LEE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, DONE A GREAT JOB THERE. HE'S EVEN BRANCHED OUT AND IS LEADING NOW OUR OVERDOSE PREVENTION TEAM THAT WE HAVE AS. LEE IS OUR PARAMEDIC OF THE YEAR. [ APPLAUSE ] >> LEEENNIS HAS BEEN AWARDED THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AWARD IN RECOGNITION TO THE DEDICATION OF LIFE AND HEALTH UNDER EMERGENCY CONDITIONS AND PERFORMING BEYOND THE DUTIES NORMALLY CALLED WITHIN THE MEDICAL EMERGENCY SERVICES PROFESSION. [ APPLAUSE ] >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> AND OUR NEXT AWARD, LAST AWARD TONIGHT, MAY I CALL FORWARD PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR SUSAN CARR. [ APPLAUSE ] >> AND PSC SPECIALIST OF THE YEAR, GABBY CHASE. [ APPLAUSE ] >> SIMILAR TO POLICE AND FIRE EACH YEAR, WE RECOGNIZE OUR TELECOMMUNICATERS FOR THE OUTSTANDING JOB THAT EACH OF THEM DO. THIS YEAR GABBY CHASE WAS SELECTED AS OUR PSC SPECIALIST OF OUR YEAR. SHE HAD HIGH COMPLIANCE IN HER CALL TAKING, EMERGENCY DISPATCH, POLICE DISPATCHING. SHE BEGAN TRAINING NEW RECRUITS LAST YEAR AND HAS A POSITIVE AND HELPFUL ATTITUDE. SHE READILY VOLUNTEERS TO HELP OTHERS IN THE ROOM DURING HIGHER ACTIVITY TIMES. SHE HAS A STRONG WORK ETHIC AND WAS AN UNOFFICIAL LEADER ON HER SHIFT AT THE TIME AND HAS SINCE BECOME A SHIFT LEAD IN CHARGE OF THE SHIFT WHEN THE SUPERVISOR IS NOT THERE. SHE WAS SELECTED FOR HER EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS AND INTERNAL PARTNERS. CONGRATULATIONS GABBY. [ APPLAUSE ]. >> GABBY CHASE HAS BEEN BEEN WARDED THIS MEDAL IN RECOGNITION OF NOTABLE WORK ON BEHALF OF INDIVIDUALS. [ APPLAUSE ]. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR AWARDS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. CITY COUNCILEMBERS, WE APPRECIATE THE INVITATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. APPRECIATE IT. THE OATHS OF OFFICE ARE BEING GIVEN TONIGHT TO CITIZENS WHO WILL BE SERVING ON CITY BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. AND I ASK THAT MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, KAREN BELLESSA. MANSOOR KARIMI AND JAN TRUE. FOR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, NICK KAGAL AND SRRY LEVINE. FOR HERITAGE COMMISSION, DEBBIE BARRIOS, MICHAEL HOLLAND. FOR SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD, GLORIA MARSH, FARYAL VIRK, AND SAMMY YANG. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND FOR SERVING ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. IT MEANS SO MUCH TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAKING DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PLANO. SO IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY? AND YOU FURTHERMORE SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, OFFERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT, SO HELP YOU GOD. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. [ APPLAUSE ] WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT WORTH YOUR WHILE TO COME. SPREAD OUT TOO MUCH? OKAY. >> OKAY, SCOOT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> NICE TO MEET YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. AND FOR THE FINAL CEREMONY, WE HAVE CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED. AND I WOULD LIK TO INVITE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TO COME UP AND HELP ME DISTRIBUTE THESE CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION. SO WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, KAREN DUBROW AND MADELINE NORRIS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. >> TAKE A PICTURE. >> Mayor Muns: FROM THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, PETER KRAUSE AND ANDREW LINDQUIST. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, PETER. GOOD TO SEE YOU. COME ON OVER HERE. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. [ APPLAUSE ] FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, FABIAN GORDON AND MISTY HOYT. [ APPLAUSE ] COME HERE, MARIE. >> Tu: I'M GOING TO HUG HER. CONGRATULATIONS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: FOR THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, CHRISTOPHER ROBERTSON, HAROLD SICKLER, AND JOHN "DUB" SPENCER. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, YEOU DONG AND LAN HE. WE'LL GET IT TO THEM. PARKS AND REC PLANNING BOARD, SCOTT GOEBEL AND NEAL LIANG. OH RON. [ LAUGHTER ] WE'LL HAVE A COUNSELING SESSION LATER. [ LAUGHTER ] FOR THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, BETTY ARGUELLO AND GEORGE ELKING. [ APPLAUSE ] . >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, GEORGE. A LOT OF YEARS. WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> A LOT OF YEARS. >> Mayor Muns: WE DO. COME ON OVER HERE, MARIE. >> BETTY SHOWED UP. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. GET IN HERE. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] FROM THE SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD, STEVEN BOLEN, CAROLE GREISDORF AND CAROL ROMMEL. OKAY. AND THE LAST ONE IS TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE, NUMBER TWO AND THREE. MARTHA EN, BRIDGETTE TAYLOR, AND ROY WILSHIRE. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, THAT WORKS OUT GREAT. YOU GET ONE FOR EACH NUMBER. [ LAUGHTER ] . >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: YOU'RE WELCOME. COME ON THIS SIDE. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] . >> Mayor Muns: COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> City Clerk: COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS THIS EVENING >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WELL, THAT'S A FIRST FOR A WHILE. [ LAUGHTER ] LET'S MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> City Clerk: CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >>. >> Tu: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. I DON'T SEE KAYCI. DO YOU? OKAY. SHE'LL BE BACK ON. NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF PLANO, THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, THE CITY OF FRISCO, AND THE COLLIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE DISBURSEMENT OF THE 2023 EDWARD BYRNE JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT FUNDS; AUTHORIZING ITS EXECUTION BY THE CITY MANAGER; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> Mayor Mun TNK YOU. CHIEF DRAIN? >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BYRNE JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY CALLED THE JAG GRANT, THIS IS A U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GRANT SENT TO ALL 50 STATES AND PART OF THAT MONEY IS DESIGNATED FOR CERTAIN JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE STATES PRIMARILY BASED OFF OF JURISDICTION. RATE IN THE E GRT WE RECEIVED, ABOUT $76,292 WAS THE AMOUNT WE RECEIVED. IT COVERS PLANO, McKINNEY, AND FRISCO, AND THERE'S AN ALLOCATED AMOUNT FOR EACH JURISDICTION. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT GET A SPECIFIC ALLOCATION, BUT THE THREE CITIES HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE AMOUNT. WE HAVE A SET FORMULA FOR THAT. EACH OF US GIVES US 25% OF OUR AWARD TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, LEAVING PLANO WITH $27,670 AND LESSER AMOUNTS FOR EACH OF THE OTHE JURISDICTIONS. WE PLAN TO USE THE FUNDS FOR PRECISION RIFLES FOR OUR MARKSMAN TEAM. WE SERVE AS THE FISCAL AGENT FOR THE FUNDS FOR THE OTHER CITIES. WHEN THEY GET THEIR PROJECTS READY, THEY'LL SUBMIT TO US AND WE'LL BRING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO -- THE REASON THESE ARE RELATIVELY SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE REASON WE'RE PRESENTING IS THAT'S PART OF THE STATUTE THAT COVERS JAG GRANT. IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER HAS TO SIGN UP. ANY OTHER ESTIS? OR ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? OKAY, THANK YOU >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE COMMENTS TO COUNCIL. >> Ricciardelli: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Tu: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI, HOW DO YOU VOTE? PLEASE VOTE. I THOUGHT I DID TOO. SORRY RICK. KAYCI VOTED YES. SO MOTION PASSES 8-0. >> NO, 7. >> Mayor Muns: KAYCI, SHE VOTED, RIGHT? >> YEAH, SHE CAME ON. >> I DIDN'T HEAR HER. >> Mayor Muns: BUT SHE'S GONE AGAIN. [ LAUGHTER ] >> Mayor Muns: ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER TWO. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023- 003 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015- 5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, SO AS TO REZONE 99.0 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND PARKWOOD BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FROM COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-62- COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT; DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PRO REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. THIS IS ZONING CASE 2023-003. AND IT DOES COME BEFORE YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BY A 6-0 VOTE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND SOME INTEREST IN PERHAPS MODIFICATIONS FROM THECOUNL. SO I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT I'D BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU. I KNOW THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION. BUT I WILL PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION AT YOUR REQUEST. SO WITH THAT, I WILL CEDE THE TIME. >> Ricciardelli: MR. MAYOR, GIVEN SOME LOOSE ENDS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER TODAY, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT'S READY. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM TWO BASED ON SOME INFORMATION WE'RE STILL TRYING TO COLLECT. AND SO RATHER THAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL BE GLAD TO ASK EVERYBODY TO VOTE. >> COULD I GET CLARIFICATION? IS THAT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? >> Mayor Muns: WE PROBABLY NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A DATE ON IT. >> I THINK TO PRESERVE NOTICE, WE SHOULD TABLE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >> Mayor Muns: THAT'S FAIR. >> Ricciardelli: I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO TABLE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >> Williams: SHOULD WE SUSPEND THE PUBLIC HEARING OR STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> Mayor Muns: WE CAN SUSPEND IT. THAT WAY WE DON'T -- GO AHEAD. >> WE CAN DEFER IT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE NEW STIPULATIONS. I THINK THAT STAFF IS STILL TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CITIZEN CONCERNS. AND SO YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT COMMENTS BASED ON -- >> Mayor Muns: THE INFORMATION. >> THE INFORMATION THAT THEY RECEIVE. >>ayoruns: I HAV A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE. PLEASE VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE, KAYCI? SHE SAID YES. SO MOTION PASSES 8-0. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER THREE. OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023- 014 TO AMEND ARTICLE 8 (DEFINITIONS), ARTICLE 14 (ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS), ARTICLE 15 (USE-SPECIFIC REGULATIONS), AND ARTICLE 16 (PARKING AND LOADING) OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS AND TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT. CASE 14 IS A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT RELATED TO DRONES AND PROVISIONS OF ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOME TIME. DATES BACK TO THE SUMMER OF 2022. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS HELD A NUMBER OF HEARINGS AND DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ITEM. LOCAL REGULATION DOES KIND OF FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES HERE. THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT CITIES CANNOT REGULATE. THERE'S PREEMPTION BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, FLIGHT PATHS, ALTITUDE, NUMBER OF FLIGHTS, PACKAGE CONTENT, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE VERY MUCH RESTRICTED. SO WE HAVE BEEN COOPERATING THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH THE ATTORNEYS AT THE FAA TO REVIEW THESE STANDARDS. CITIES CAN REGULATE THE LOCATION OF HUBS AND OTHER GRND-BASED FACILITIES. SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THE LAND USE ELEMENTS OF THESE REGULATIONS. SO FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WE'VE SORT OF CLASSIFIED IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU HAVE DRONES THAT ARE DELIVERING ITEMS. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE PACKAGES. THESE ARE GENERALLY UNDER 55 POUNDS, BUT THEY COULD BE LARGER. WE ALSO HAVE WHAT I'LL REFER TO AS AIR TAXIS TO GIVE YOU A CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING. BUT THIS IS REALLY ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY IS THE TECHNICALERM. AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THESE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. SO THAT INCLUDES THREE NEW DEFINITIONS, TWO AMENDED DEFINITIONS, INCLUDING THOSE IN THE USE TABLES, AS WELL AS SOME USE-SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IN THE ORDINANCE. SO THE AMENDED DEFINITIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY, WE HAVE HELIPORT AND HELISTOP. DIDN'T TAKE MUCH OF A CHANGE TO MAKE THOSE EFFECTIVE FOR AIR TAXIS. JUST USING THAT TERM HELICOPTER MORE BROADLY INCLUSIVE. HOWEVER, WE DID NEED NEW DEFINITIONS TO ADDRESS DRONE DELIVERY. SO YOU'LL SEE SEE THESE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WE HAVE FOR LARGE DRONES. SO 55 POUNDS AND OVER. THAT DOES INCLUDE SMALL DRONES AS WELL, BUT IT'S SORT OF THE WHOLE GAMUT. AND SMALL IS 55 POUNDS, IT'S UNDER 55 POUNDS. SO WE'VE GOT THESE TWO DIFFERENT THE ORDINANCE. THE DRONE STAGING AREA IS A PART OF THE PRIOR DEFINITION AND REALLY INVOLVES THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA IS THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THAT DEFINITION. SO THE ZONING DISTRICT USE TABLES CLASSIFY TWO DIFFERENT MANNERS. ONE IS AN ACCESSORY USE. SO WE'VE ALLOWED DRONE DELIVERY AS AN ACCESSORY TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THINGS LIKE FOOD STORES, RESTAURANTS, TAIL STORES, ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE PACKAGE-TYPE DELIVERIES. ALSO WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS THAT COULD HAVE LARGER DISTRIBUTION OPPORTUNITIES. ALSO A PRIMARY USE IS LIMITED TO LOCATIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WAREHOUSING WAS REALLY APPROPRIATE, THINGS WHERE WE THOUGHT A LOT OF ACTIVITY WAS ALREADY OCCURRING. SO THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE IMPACT CITYWIDE. SO YOU SEE IT'S PERMITTED AS A PRIMARY OR ACCESSORY USE IN THE PURPLE AREA. AND THEN ONLY AS AN ACCESSORY USE, AGAIN, TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ALLOWED PRIMARY USE IN THE RED AREA ON THE SCREEN. SO THE USE-SPECIFIC STANDARDS, THIS REALLY TALKS ABOUT HOW THE -- OBVIOUSLY CAN'T REALLY OPERATE, DEAL WITH OPERATIONS, BUT THE LAND USE IS MANAGED UNDER THE ORDINANCE, SO SIGN, LOCATION, SCREENING OF THE STAGING AREAS. IT DISCUSSES BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN ALSO ALLOWS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO WAIVE SCREENING AND REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE USES BECAUSE THEY'RE A RETROFIT TO SO MANY EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS OR OTHER EXISTING COMMERCIAL SITES. SO IN SUMMARY, WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND THE DEFINITIONS TO ALLOW THESE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT. NEW DEFINITIONSRE BEING AED ALLOW COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS. THERE'S ALSO USE-SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT WILL HELP US FIT THESE INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SIMILAR USES OR SUPPORTVE USES. AND THE INTENT WAS TO SUPPORT A MEASURED IMPLEMENTATION. THIS IS AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT EXISTED TODAY BUT ALSO SHOWING A MEASURE OF CAUTION AND HOW WE IMPLEMENT THIS AND HOW IT IMPACTS NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND THEN AGAIN, LOOKING AT CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER USES AND STANDARDS ACROSS THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE POLICY AND TWO LAND USE ACTION STATEMENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION POLICY AND ITS IMPACT THERE. WE HAVE RECEIVED SIX TOTAL RESPONSES, AS OF NOON, OCTOBER 20th. THOSE SIX WERE UNIQUE. WE DID HAVE THREE DUPLICATE RESPONSES FOR A TOTAL OF NINE RESPONSES TOGEER. FOUR WITH OPPOSITION AND TWO NUTRAL RESPONSES. SOME OF THOSE UNIQUE RESPONSES WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY. TWO NEUTRAL AND TWO OPPOSED WERE FROM EITHER INDIVIDUALS OR ENTITIES OUTSIDE OF PLANO. SO THAT REALLY WRAPS UP MY PRESENTATION. THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 6-2. AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS CASE. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE SAW THIS -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE P&Z COMMISSION. WE WEREN'T REALLY TALKING ABOUT AIR TAXIS AT THAT TIME. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REALLY FOCUSING ON THE DRONES. BECAUSE WHEN YOU START BRINGING IN AIR TAXI, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED AS FAR AS THE LOGISTICS OF HOW WE'RE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THAT FAA REGULATIONS, INCLUDING SMALL DRONES REGULATIONS. ARE YOU STARTING TO SEE A NEED OR IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY COMING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS THESE AIR TAXIS? AND I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHY WE TOOK THIS LEAP, IF YOU WILL, INTO LARGER DRONES >> WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A REQUEST FOR THAT USE. THE DATE WE HAVE IS 2025 FOR THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. SO NOT TOO FAR AWAY WE THOUGHT IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, WE MIGHT AS WELL LOOK AT IT KIND OF WHOLESALE. SO WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THAT. THE REASON THAT WE THOUGHT THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN HELICOPTERS AND THE AIR TAXI, SO WE'RE BASICALLY TREATING THEM THE SAME. IT WAS A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD SOLUTION, I WOULD SAY. SO I THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE. THAT WAS TO TREAT THEM CLOSER TO HELICOPTERS. >> Horne: I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A HESITANCY TO FLY IN AN UNMANNED AIR TAXI, OKAY? WE'RE SEEING THAT. BUT WE'RE SEEING THAT HESITANCY RIGHT NOW IN FOUR-WHEEL VEHICLES DRIVING AROUND TOWN. PEOPLE STILL LIKE TO HAVE THE DRIVER THERE. I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE TRYING TO ADD SOME CONFUSION HERE, PARTICULARLY -- I KNOW WE WANT TO BE FORWARD THINKING HERE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE REALLY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WITH REGARDS TO UNMANNED AERIAL TAXIS. I COULD SEE US HAVING THE SAME REGULATIONS WE HAVE FOR HELICOPTER AS FOR A MANNED TILT ROTOR. I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT. AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH OF THE DEMAND IN THAT IN PLANO. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE LARGE AND SMALL IS ADDING SOMEWHAT CONFUSION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF SERVICES AND ORDINANCES WE SHOULD BE PROVIDG. JUST KIND OF WHERE I WAS THINKING. >> THE AMENDMENTS TO THAT SECTION COULD BE REMOVED IF THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS IT AT THIS TIME. THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION. BUT IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE FAIRLY EASILY REMOVED FROM THE ORDINANCE UPDATE. >> (OFF MIC). THANKS, CHRISTINA. RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE, MAINLY VIA ZOOM. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM -- JOIN THEM INTO THE PARTY. I'M WORKING ON IT. KENDALL PERSAC. >> YES, HELLO. >> City Clerk: CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA FOR US? THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. >> HI. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE DILIGENT WORK ON THIS ORDINANCE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS STAFF AND APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND WORK OF OUR INPUTS THUS FAR. WE DO NOT HAVE A -- WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC CONCERN WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS ADDED BY COMMISSION THAT REQUIRES SCREENING OF EQUIPMENT BY A SOLID MASONRY WALL OR AN IRRIGATED EVER-LIVING SCREEN. AND WE UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND UNDERSTAND. THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT COULD DISPROPORTIONATELY (INDISCERNIBLE) LIKELY IMPEDING OTHER OPERATORS AS LL. EFFECTIVELY MEETING THE PROPOSED SCREENING REQUIREMENT COULD IMPACT SERVICE AND THE AVAILABILITY OF SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS IN PLANO. I DO KNOW THIS IS A VERY NEW TECHNOLOGY AND EACH COMPANY'S OPERATIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT. SINCE OUR FLIGHT SYSTEMS ARE HIGHLY AUTOMATED, WE DO NOT RELY ON STAFF TO BE CONSISTENTLY PRESENT WITH OUR DRONE STAGING AREAS THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS DAY. BUT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, WING'S CURRENT OPERATIONS DICTATE THAT OUR DRONE STAGING AREA, WHICH INCLUDES THE LAUNCHINGPADS, FRESHLY PAINTED STORAGE CONTAINER, AND A TRAILER/VEHICLE TO BE ENCLOSED BY A FENCE CURRENTLY. IN THE ORDINANCE NOW BEFORE YOU, THE LANDING PADS ARE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT'S RECOGNIZED THAT THE SOLID SCREENING COULD CREATE AN AIR CURRENT THAT IMPACTS TAKEOFF AND LANDING. THE NEW SCREENING REQUIREMENT WOULD EFFECTIVELY REQUIRE US TO PLACE OUR LANDING PADS WITHIN A SOLID MASONRY ENCLOSURE, AND THAT COULD POSE AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE DUE TO THE LIMITED AIR FL SCREENING. ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT THAT WAS VOICED BY SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS WAS THAT SUCH REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE LEGAL PERMANENCE OF A STRUCTURE NOT ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED BY WING'S TEAM OR THE RETAIL PARTNERS. WE DO SEE VALUE IN PILOTING OUR SITES FOR SETUP WHILE MAINTAINING NEAT AND ATTRACTIVE APPEARANCES AS GETTING THE BEST OPERATIONAL OUTCOME WHILE HAVING APPEALING AESTHETICS TO RETAIL PARTNERS WHICH THEY ALREADY EXPECT. WITH SUCH, WE ASK YOU TO EXEMPT ONE STORAGE CONTAINER AND ONE TRAILER/VEHICLE FROM THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY STAFF, SPECIFICALLY WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE FENCED AREA THAT INCLUDES THE LANDING PADS. ALTERNATIVELY -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> MASONRY WALL OR EVERGREEN LIVING WALL IS VERY PERMANENT AND A COSTLY STRUCTURE SINCE THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE MIGHT FIND AFTER OPERATING FOR A YEAR OR EVEN TWO WITH THE CURRENT LOCAL RETAIL PARTNER, IT MIGHT HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT PLACE FOR US TO STAGE OUR OPERATIONS SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT ON THAT PROPERTY. IF COUNCIL CANNOT REMOVE THIS RQUIREMENT FROM THE ORDINANCE, WE HOPE TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS AND REQUEST THE AUTOMATIC TEMPORARY WAIVER FOR -- >> TIME. >> -- FOR SCREENING OPERATIONS FOR ONE TO TWO YEARS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> ONCE THE TEMPORARY PERIOD HAS PASSED, OPERATORS CAN PRESENT OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES. >> Mayor Muns: KENDALL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> REGION, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF PLAN >> Mayor Mun THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GRANT GIO. >> Mayor Muns: LUKE. >> City Clerk: HE'S HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: COME ON UP, LUKE, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. LUKE FRANZ, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. WE'RE REPRESENTING DRONE UP, ONE OF THE OPERATORS HERE IN PLAN ALONG WITH WING, WHO KENDALL WORKS WITH. WE'RE REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT OF THIS ITEM FOR AT LEAST A MONTH. WE'VE -- THE INDUSTRY LEADER SCOTT HAS SENT A MESSAGE TO YOU ALL, HOPING TO HAVE YOU ALL OUT TO THE SITE TO DO A DRONE DAY VISIT. WE THINK THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE OPERATIONS FIRSTHAND BEFORE MAKING SUCH AN IMPORTANT ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY. AND SO WE'D RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A MONTH DELAY FOR THIS SO WE CAN COORDINATE SCHEDULES TO COME OUT WITH A DRONE DAY. COIDER THAT.s: WE'LL BE GLAD TO I JUST NEED TO KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED? SO WE'LL KIND OF UNDERSTAND. I GET THE SCREENING WALL PORTION. >> THAT'S THE MAIN -- >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT IT? >> THAT'S -- YES. >> Mayor Muns: KENDALL DID A GOOD JOB, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S A DETERRENT. >> SO THE CURRENT OUTDOOR STORAGE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL TO SCREEN OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENTS. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A SMALL CONTAINER OR TRUCK ONSITE IN THE PARKING LOTS AND PUTTING UP A MASONRY WALL FOR ALL THOSE ITEMS IS DIFFICULT AND COST PROHIBITIVE FOR OPERATIONS. AS THOSE EVOLVE, THINGS WILL CHANGE. SO THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION, WHICH KENDALL PRESENTED AT THE LAST HEARING THAT WAS TO EXEMPT A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS SO THAT WE COULD EVOLVE AND MAKE -- EVOLVE AS WE GO FORWARD AND HAVE THOSE EXEMPTED. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LUKE? I'M SORRY. I JUST WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ISSUE YOU GUYS WERE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH. OKAY. >> EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. IS IT THAT EIGHT-FOOT SCREENING WALL, IF IT'S ENCLOSING THAT, DOES THAT IMPEDE THE AIR FLOW? >> THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN AS WELL. IF IT'S REQUIRED AROUND THE WHOLE OPERATION AREA, THAT WAS A CONCERN AT P&Z WE ADDRESSED. BUT TO BE CLEAR, AND STAFF WAS CLEAR ABOUT THIS, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ACTUAL LANDING PAD. IT'S JUST THE AREA BEHIND IT. BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE PROXIMITY, THERE ARE FEARS THAT IT MIGHT BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE AND COULD DETER OPERATIONS AS EXPANDING, AS THE LANDING PADS EXPAND. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. THANKS. NEXT SPEAKER. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GRANT. >> Mayor Muns: GRANT. DID HE MAKE IT? >> City Clerk: GRANT, ARE YOU THERE? GRANT? >> I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> City Clerk: I CAN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. I JUST TURNED ON MY VIDEO. I HAVE NO IDEAS IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE ME. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH MY CAMERA BECAUSE I'M NOT EING MY SCRE. >> City Clerk: YOU'RE GOOD. >> Mayor Muns: CAN YOU HEAR US? >> YES, I CAN. THANK YOU. YES, I CAN. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF YOU. MY NAME IS GRANT, VICE PRESIDENT AT DRONE UP. LIKE WING, WE ARE OFFERING DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES IN THE DALLAS/FT. WORTH -- I'M SORRY, THE DALLAS/FT. WORTH AREA, INCLUDING PLANO. AND AS LUKE MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ALL OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFICS OF OUR OPERATIONS AND WING'S OPERATIONS, TO HAVE YOU OUT OVER THE NEXT MONTH TO SEE OUR OPERATIONS AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP FORM YOUR OPINION MORE SUBSTANTIVELY ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED. IT'S NOT COMMON, NECESSARILY, FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO PASS ORDINANCES LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE PLANO MIGHT BE THE FIRST IN TEXAS TO DO SO. THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY -- THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING NUMBER ONE, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD BE NUMBER ONE, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU ON THIS AND TO HAVE YOUUYS OUT TO SEE OUR OPERATIONS. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE JUST ONE BRIEF NOTE. AND SCOTT MAY MENTION THIS. BUT ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WE HAD IS AT THE LAST PLANNING & ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING, BOTH DRONE UP AND WING INDICATED SUPPORT FOR A MEASURE THAT ENDED UP BEING CHANGED AFTER PUBLIC DISCUSSION HAD CLOSED. THEREFORE, WHAT THE COMPANIES WERE SUPPORTING ACTUALLY ENDED UP NOT BEING WTNDED UP MAKING IT OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE. OUT OF THAT MEETING. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADEQUATELY HAVE THE TIME TO BRIEF YOU AND TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE WITH THIS ORDINANCE, AS KENDALL DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF EXPLAINING. AND WE ARE 100% ON BOARD WITH HER AND WING ON THAT. SO GIVEN THE DISCREPANCIES IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PLANNING & ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING AND WHAT THE COMPANIES ACKNOWLEDGED, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TOORK WITH U GUYS AND SHOW YOU THIS TECHNOLOGY IN PERSON, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A MONTH >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. THANK YOU, GRANT. ONE MORE? >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SCOTT SHAWFMAN. SCOTT, ARE YOU THERE? SCOTT? >> YES, I'M HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> City Clerk: YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME. I'M A SENIOR MANAGER FOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR AVUSI, YOU HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF OUR MEMBERS HERE ALREADY THIS EVENING, VIA WING AND DRONE-UP, WE WORK ACROSS ALL THINGS, AUTONOMOUS GROUNDWATER, AIR, WORKING TO ADVANCE PUBLIC EDUCATION, UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTAN OF THOSE SYSTEMS. I'M A RESIDENT OF TEXAS MYSELF. GREW UP IN THE DALLAS AREA, WE REALLY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF DRONE DELIVERY BEING IN DFW, AS YOU'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST ADOPTERS OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND FRANKLY AROUND THE WORLD. YOU KNOW, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, OUR INTEREST IS THAT THE COUNCIL TAKE A MONTH TO DISCUSS AND VISIT WITH COMPANIES ON -- REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SITES LOOK LIKE, UNDERSTAND HOW THE EXISTING WORDING THAT CAME OUT OF PLANNING AND ZONING COULD IMPACT THOSE OPERATIONS AND POTENTIALLY OF PLANO, AS WELL AS WHETHER OR NOT THE SPECIFIC WORDING THAT DID COME OUT OF PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD BE NECESSARY BASED ON THE CLEANLINESS AND THE STYLE OF THE OPERATIONAL SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE IN THE DFW AREA. YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A STRONG UNDERSTANDING AND WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THIS SPACE AND OPERATING AROUND THE COUNTRY. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAST SPEAKER. >> THAT WAS THE LAST SPEAKER. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Smith : I THINK I HAVE SOME TREPIDATION ABOUT IT ALSO FOR A FEW REASONS, I THINK AFTER LISTENING TO THE POTENTIAL PROVIDERS, I'M ALL FOR MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO OUR I BELIEVE THE 27th OF NOVEMBER, OR WOULD IT BE -- >> Mayor Muns: LET'S MAKE SURE WE GIVE PLANNING PLENTY OF TIME TO FIND OUT SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE ISSUES AND SO -- >> Smith : I'D BE FOR THAT, LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON IT. >> REAL QUICK, IS THERE AN ISSUE FROM STAFF ON A MONTH'S DELAY? >> NO, I COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE CONCERNS WITH THE COMMISSION'S COMMENTS ON THEM IF THE COUNCI IS INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET EDUCATED, SO WE'LL -- WE'LL GET WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND BE GLAD TO GO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO S, AND THEN BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET BACK TOGETHER AND FIND OUT HOW WE CAN WORK WITH EVERYBODY IN REGARD TO THIS ISSUE. GO AHEAD, MARIE. >> SO MY QUESTION IS IT WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, AND THEN IT CAME TO US FOR A VOTE, AND SO IN BETWEEN, THERE IS NO BUFFER IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THIS -- THIS EDUCATION COULD COME ABOUT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT CAME TO US FOR A VOTE? I MEAN, I GUESS I'M KIND OF CONFUSED WHY TODAY WHEN WE'RE VOTING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE TABLED. >> I BELIEVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE SCREENING ISSUE QUITE THOROUGHLY. THEY TALKED ABOUT IT MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEY HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE DEBATE ON THE ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IMPACTED -- I MEAN, THEY TALKED ABOUT DOES IT ACTUALLY IMPACT THE FLIGHT PATH? IS IT GOING TO HAVE A -- YOU KNOW, A CHANGE TO THE OPERATIONS? THEY LISTENED TO TESTIMONY. THE CHALLENGES THEY REALLY CAME DOWN TO WITH WERE EQUITY OF ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE IN THE CITY, THE WAY THINGS ARE OPERATING TODAY, OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE TO MEET THESE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS IF THEY HAVE OPEN STORAGE, AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE WERE GOING TO ALLOW THIS USE TO HAVE OPEN STORAGE WITHOUT MAKING HOLD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY WAS REALLY A CONCERN TO THEM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY PUT IN LANGUAGE THAT LANDING PADS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY WAIVE THESE REQUIREMENTS WITH APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. SO AS LONG AS THE OPERATOR IS COMING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY CAN GET AN EXEMPTION FROM P&Z, SO THEY BUILT IN KIND OF A SAFETY VALVE, AND -- BUT THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE GOING ALL THE WAY WITH ALLOWING IT TO JUST BE A FLAT AUTHORIZATION OF THEM NOT MEETING THE SAM STANDARDS AS OTHER BUSINESSES, SO I OWE. >> Tu: I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THE P&Z HAD A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE -- >> RIGHT. THEY HELD -- THEY DISCUSSED IT AT FOUR SEPARATE MEETINGS. >> Ricciardelli: OH, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUST A QUESTION, I'M OKAY WITH THE MONTHS WELL. ST TO ME IT FRUITFUL, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES I'VE HEARD, OBVIOUSLY THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE. THERE IS DISCUSSION I KNOW AT P&Z ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, 10% OR 1,000 SQUARE FEET, AND WHETHER THAT WAS GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS, AND I THINK THE CLARIFICATION THERE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE THE CRUMBLE COOKIE SHOP AND ALL OF THAT WAS -- WAS ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHICHEVER IS GREATER, RIGHT, 10% OF A THOWATHOUSAND ZWEET, COULD HAVEA 1,000 SQUARE FOOT DRONE FACILITY, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN ISSUE IDENTIFIED BY COUNCILMEMBER HORNE REGARDING THE AIR TAXIS AND WHETHER WE'RE READY TO, YOU KNOW, TO ADOPT REGULATIONS REGARDING THAT OR IF THAT IS PREMATURE. ARE WE AWARE OF ANY OTHER ISSUES TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE HIT EVERYTHING DURING THIS MONTH, IF THERE ARE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS IS A CALL TO THE INDUSTRY MEMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN TRY TO GET EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, I -- THE ONE THING ON THE OPEN STORAGE IS I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT ON OUR POLICY IN REGARD TO ALL OPEN STORAGE SO THAT WE'RE NOT EXPOSING OURSELF TO PRECEDENT. SO GO AHEAD, RICK. >> Smith>> Smith : >> HORNE: I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF P&Z HAVING THEIR FOUR SEPARATE MEETINGS OVER THIS, AND THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND PVACY. THESE THINGS ARE PROGRAMMED, IF YOU WILL, TO FLY ALONG THE STREETS. THEY DON'T FLY AS THE CROW FLIES FROM CRUMBLE COOKIE ACROSS BACK YARDS TO DROP THE COOKIE OFF IN YOUR FRONT PORCH, THEY FLY AROUND THE STREETS. AND I WOULD -- I WOULD BRING A THEORY TO YOU THAT THE AMAZON TRUCK IS A LOT NOISIER THAN THE DRONE. BECAUSE OF THE OPEN AND SHUT DOORS PARKING CLOGGING TRAFFIC. SO AND YOUR EXPOSURE TO THAT IS JUST VERY SLL, U KNOW, WITHIN MINUTES. SO I THINK THESE ARE TYPE OF QUESTIONS, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GO VISIT THESE SITES, PLUS THE SCREENING WALL, WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION HOW IT IMPEDES -- I THINK THIS DELAYS -- >> Mayor Muns: OTHER MATERIALS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. >> HORNE: EXACTLY. DID YOU SECOND THE TABLING? >> Mayor Muns: RICK, DID YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? [ INAUDIBLE - NO MIC ] >> Smith : I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO TABLE THIS ITEM 'TIUR NOVEMBER 27th MEETING TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FIRST HAND INFORMATION BEFORE ENACTING THIS POLICY. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: SHELBY -- >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING? >> Mayor Muns: PLEASE, LET ME LET SHELBY AND THEN YOU GO. GO AHEAD, SHELBY. >> Williams: VERY BRIEFLY, I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR, THAT WE NEED TO GET EDUCATED, NOT LEAST BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY, VERY NEW INDUSTRY, AND WE HAVE -- I WATCHED THE P&Z MEETING, WE'VE HEARD SOME THINGS TONIGHT, WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF CONSIDERATIONS HERE WHILE THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON NO OTHER CITY IN TEXAS HAS CREATED AN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THIS IS SO NEW, AND ALSO AS I WATCHED THE P&Z MEETING, I READ THROUGH THE PACKET, I'M STRUGGLING TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM THIS IS MEANT TO SOLVE. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT VISITING THESE SITES AND ASKING APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS THOROUGHLY TO IDENTIFY THEE PROBLEM OR PROBLEMS THAT ARE TRYING TO BE SOLVED OR MAYBE PREEMPT BEFORE THEY BECOME BIG PROBLEMS, AND COME TO A MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL CONCLUSION. >> Mayor Muns: KAYCI, GO AHEAD. >> Prince: MY TURN? OKAY. SO I -- I THINK IT WAS GRANT THAT ALLUDED TO THIS, MENTIONED A COMMENT ABOUT THAT WE WOULD BE THE FIRST TO MAKE AN ORDINANCE AND THAT OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES AND MAYBE AN ORDINANCE ISN'T NECESSARY, SO TO COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS' POINT ABOUT WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS ORDINANCE SOLVING, I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HI WHYTHIS IS NECESSARY IF OTHER CITIES DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE ONE. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. >> THERE'S TWO REASONS. THIS CAME UP BECAUSE WE WERE APPROACHED BY AN OPERATOR ABOUT COLONELLING TO PLANO AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT IF A USE IS -- IF THERE'S UNLISTED USE, IT'S DISALLOWED, SO OUR OPTIONS WERE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR TO BASICALLY WE COULDN'T FIND A MECHANISM TO ALLOW THE OPERATIONS IN PLANO. SO WE DID A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ON OTHER CITIES. THERE ARE PLACES THAT REQUIRE A SUP, THEY USE THEIR HELICOPTER DEFINITIONS STRAIGHT UP AS BECAUSE THEY'RE WRITTEN A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OURS ARE, WITH THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST MODIFY -- JUST UTILIZE THOSE, AND WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATION. THERE'S OPERATIONS IN COLLEGE STATION THAT ARE DONE THROUGH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE COLONY ALSO, AND ALLEN BOTH USE THEIR HELICOPTER DEFINITIONS. WE HAVE OTHER CITIES WHERE THE USE IS UNLISTED, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWING THEM AS INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE, OR AS A TEMPORARY USE, WHERE HELIPADS ARE ALLOWED. WE ALSO -- WE FOUND, LOOKED AT GRANBURY, LITTLE ELM, MESQUITE MURPHY RICHARDSON, MOST PLACES IT RELATED TO HELICOPTER TYPE USES BECAUSE THEIR DEFINITIONS IN THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE WERE NOT USING THE EXPLICIT TERM "HELICOPTER" SO THEY WERE ABLE TO FLEX THOSE STANDARDS. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THIS, THEY'RE J JUST NOT ADDRESSING IT THE WAY PLANO IS AND IT'S LARGE BY BAUSE OF THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ON THE NEXT MONTH. THIS IS AN ITEM COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONSIDER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO POST THIS FOR A MEETING AND TRY TO FIND A TIME OR MAYBE TWO TIMES FOR COUNCIL TO GO VISIT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT WE GET THAT SCHEDULED THROUGH LISA, POSTED CORRECTLY, AND GET DD'S MAGIC WORK ON THIS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY ISSUES WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO COUNCIL ON, I HEARD THE MANNED OR THE PASSENGER DNE WAS 1 POINT OF CONSIDERATION, SO PROVIDING BACKGROUND ON THAT ELEMENT, AND THE POTENTIAL OF THAT, I HEARD IS AN ISSUE. I KNOW ON THE MASONRY SIDE OF THINGS, WE CAN PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION ON THE OPEN STORAGE ELEMENT OF THINGS AND THE -- THE EQUAL APPLICATION OF OUR ORDINANCES AND EXPECTATIONS ON THAT. WHAT ELSE WAS THERE BECAUSE I'D HEAR SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THOSE SO WE CAN GET YOU BRIEFINGS ON THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE THAT WE WANTED TO ME SUREE PROVIDE YOU THAT BACKUP INFORMATION? >> AGAIN, THE TWO COMMON ONES THAT KEPT COMING UP WAS PRIVACY AND OTHER WAS NOISE. >> RIGHT. >> HORNE: OKAY. SO THOSE ARE CLEARLY THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THE OPERATORS WE CAN -- >> UNDERSTOOD. PRIVACY AND NOISE. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> Ricciardelli: I -- I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE US REACH OUT TO THE OPERATORS AND, YOU KNOW, ASK THEM TO SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED BY A CERTAIN DATE SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO EVALUAT IN ADVANCE THE NEXT MEETING. THERE MAY NOT BE ANYTHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE ISSUES -- >> WE'RE HAPPY TO, I SEE SOME HEADS NODDING THAT THEY'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK, SO WE'RE GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? >> I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE'LL PROVIDE YOU ALL THE OTHER RESEARCH FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WE HAVE AS WELL. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL NOVEMBER 27th OR WHENEVER. ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE, KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0, THANK YOU. ITEM 4. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 4, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-22 TO AMEND ARTICLE VIII, DEFINITIONS, ARTICLE XIV, ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS, AND ARTICLE XV, USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO 2015-5-25, AS HERE TO FOREVER AMENDED TO ALLOW PET FUNERAL HOMES AND ADD A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR CREAMATORIES AND PROVIDE A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> Mayor Muns: SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE LAST CASE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE OUR ORDINANCE WAS OVERLAY PERHAPS RESTRICTIVE IN ITS LANGUAGE, AND SO NEEDED PERHAPS SOME MODIFICATION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AT HAND. WEERE APPROACHED BY A POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTED TO OPERATE A PET FUNERAL HOME THAT INCLUDED A CREAMATORY, AND SO WE MET WITH THEM, AND FOUND SOME SHORTCOMINGS IN THE ORDINANCE, BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS USE. SO WE ASKED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY HAVE CONSIDERED SOME ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. FIRST IS OUR MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR DEFINITION CURRENTLY IS SPECIFIED TO HUMAN BODIES, SO WE'RE PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT THERE THAT WOULD BROAD THAN TO INCLUDE PET REMAINS AS WELL. WE NOTED IN THE CONCEPT OF ADDING CREAMATORIES, WE LOOKED AT -- AT THAT USE PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, IT REQUIRES TCEQ PERMIT AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR ANIMALS ONLY, AND WE ALSO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE ZONINGRDINCE THAT ANY CREAMATORIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET. WE DID TALK TO ANIMAL SERVICES WHO IS THE SINGULAR OPERATOR OF A CREAMATORY IN PLANO TODAY, THEY SAID THEY HAD RECEIVED SOME CONCERNS FROM CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON THE SAME PROPERTY, AND SO WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THIS KNOWLEDGE, AND THE DRAFT STANDARDS TO INCLUDE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR OBSERVATION THAT THIS ONLY OCCURRED WHENEVER THERE WERE MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH THE EQUIPMENT. SO OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW FOR BOTH HUMAN AND ANIMAL CREAMATORIES, MEETING THE STATE AND CITY REQUIREMENTS. IT WOULD BE ONLY WITH APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND -- TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND FOR THE CREAMATORY AND THEN THEIR USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ENSURE THE EQUIPMENT IS MAINTAINED TO TRY TO AVOID ANY KIND OF NUISANCE. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND LAND USE ACTION 1. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES ON THIS. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF 7-1, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS, CHRISTINA? YES SHELBY? >> Williams: YES, THANK YOU, CHRISTINA, I'M READING THIS AS ONLY BEING PERMITTED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND TWO WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND NOWHERE ELSE, IS THAT ACCURATE. >> THAT IS CORRECT FOR THE EAMATORY. >> Williams: OKAY. ANY INDICATION AS TO HOW OFTEN MAINTENANCE CONCERNS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE IF THE -- IF THE POTENTIAL NUISANCE AND ODOR HAPPENS ONLY WHEN THERE ARE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, HOW OFTEN MIGHT THAT HAPPEN, AND EACH IF WE REQUIRE MAINTENANCE UPKEEP, HOW MUCH IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO MATTER? >> I THINK BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE REALLY THE ONE, YOU KNOW, INCIDENT, I THINK IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO KNOW WHAT RANGE OF EQUIPMENT MIGHT EXIST, WHAT AGE OF EQUIPMENT, SO I'M HESITANT TO SPECULATE. I APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF THE QUESTION. >> M>> I WORKED CLOSELY WITH JAMIE CANTRELL OVER THE LAST DECADE, I'M AWARE OF TWO INSTANCES OF PHYSICAL ISSUES WITH THE -- WITH THE MACHINERY, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT I'LL PUT IT. BUT I'M ONLY AWARE OF TWO, BUT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BECAUSE WE DO A LOT OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S HARD TO SAY, PROBABLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE OPERATOR. >> Williams: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Smith : MAYOR, BARRING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. PLEASE VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE, KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM 5. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 5, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023--023 TO AMEND ARTICLE VIII DEFINITIONS, ARTICLE XIV ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS AND ARTICLE XV, USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, TO ALLOW TEMPORARY EMERGENCY LIFE-THREATENINGEATHER EVENTS AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS OUR FINAL ZONING CASE AND FINAL TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE EVENING, SO THIS DOES RELATE TO PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION, AND THE NEEDS OF THAT OPERATION. LOOKING AT THAT, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS LIMITING THE OPERATION OF OUR PARTNERS IN THAT PROGRAM, SO W STARTED LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, P&Z CALLED A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5th, THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION POWS AS IT'S CALLED DOES OPERATE CURRENTLY, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AS PART OF THAT, BUT AS IT WAS DISCUSSED AMONG STAFF THAT WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THIS PROGRAM, IT'S FELT THAT SOME -- WE'VE AMENDED THIS REGULARLY OVER TIME, AND SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY COULD BE REALLY USEFUL, SO WE LOOKED AT THE TEMPORARY ACCESSORY HOUSING SHELTER DEFINITION, BECAUSE IT IS TIED TO RELIGIOUS FACILITIES, AND WE FOUND THAT THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE PROVIDERS THAT ARE WORKING TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE AS WELL. THERE ARE CURRENT RESTRICTIONS THOUGH IN THAT DOVE INDEFINITION, CURRENTLY THT WOULDN'T WORK FOR THE TYPE OF OPERATION WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO THAT NEEDED SOME MODIFICATION. SO IN THAT WE LOOKED AT MODIFYING THE DEFINITION TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR NONPROFIT, BECAUSE IN THE DEFINITION THE SERVICE IS REQUIRED TO BE FREE, SO IT SEEMED SLIGHTLY REDUNDANT. WE ALSO M MOVED THE REGULATIONS OUT OF THE DEFINITION AS A BEST PRACTICE, THEY'RE RETAINED, BUT THEY'RE MOVED INTO ARTICLE XV, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE LIKE TO SEE THEM. AND THEN CREATED AN EXEMPTION TO THOSE PRIOR REQUIREMENTS OF THE SIZE LIMIT DURING LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE, AND DURING DECLARED DISASTERS IN THE CITY OF PLANO THAT CREATE A NEED FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE DISASTER STATUS IS RESCINDED. SO WE DID LOOK AT PEER CITIES, JUST THESE FOUR, AND WE DIDN'T FIND A CLEAR DIRECTION ON LAND USE POLICIES FOR TEMPORARY EMERGENCY SHELTERS, IT WASN'T LIKE A PREVAILING POLICY THAT PEOPLE USED. BUT WE DID FIND IT WAS VERY CONSISTENT WITH A NUMBER OR GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND ACTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES ON THIS ITEM, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 5-3. I KNOW THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, CARRIE LITTLE IS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. WE'RE BOTH AVAILABLE. SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. FIT IS REGARDING THETHE CRITERIA FOR INVOKING THE NEED FOR THE TEMPORARY EMERGENCY SHELTER. THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO CONDITIONS, A DECLARED DISASTER OR A LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITION, AND BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITION IS DEFINED. I KNOW THAT IN THE POWS ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO THEM, I THINK IT'S UNDER 35 OR 40°, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE FOR HEAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TEMPERATURE OR HEAT INDEX GETS OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WHAT ARE -- WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HAVING CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE FOR WHEN A LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITION OCCURS? >> I THINK WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH THAT NOW OFFERED TO -- I KNOW FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE LOOKED AT AMENDING THAT. WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE HEAT CONDITION IN THERE, SO TO ME IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REVISIT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT GIVING IT TO THE CITY MANAGER WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ON IT, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SOME AUTHORITY THERE, BUT NOT HAVE IT BE TOTALLY OPEN-ENDED. >> AND SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M CARRIE LITTLE, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE WERE DOING SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR OPERATIONS OF PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING SHELTER, WE DID HAVE CRITERIA EXACTLY FOR WHEN WE WOULD ENACT THE PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING SHELTER, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS NOT JUST ADDRESS WHEN WE WOULD USE SS FOR PLANO OVERNIGHT WARMING SHELTER, BUT TO MAKE OUR ORDINANCE COMPLIANT FOR WHEN WE MIGHT NEED TO USE TEMPORARY SHELTERS FOR A VARIETY OF HAZARDS. FOR INSTANCE, IF WE HAD A TORNADO COME THROUGH AND WE NEEDED TO OPEN UP SHELTERS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND OUR FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY STEPPED UP TO DO THAT, WELL, WE COULD ALLOW FOR IT, WE WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE. THESE CHANGES RIGHT NOW TO OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS US TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. THAT COMPLIANCE ALLOWS US TO MEET BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. SO BY NOT PUTTING WHAT THAT LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITION IS, IT ALLOWS US TO MEET THE FULL SPECTRUM OF HAZARDS THAT WE MIGHT FACE. RIGHT NOW IN OUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH Y'ALL ADOPTED BACK IN JUNE, THERE WERE 19 DIFFERENT HAZARDS THAT WE HAD OUTLINED IN THAT PLAN. SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT WEATHER CONDITIONS, IT COULD BE TORNADO. IT COULD BE FLOODING. IT COULD BE WINTER WEATHER. IT COULD BE EXTREME HEAT. WEUST DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE HIGH WINDS. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WOLD BE AND WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. AND THAT WOULD BE SHORT OF A OFA DECLARED DISASTER, THE ACTION THE MAYOR COULD TAKE WHICH WOULD BE FOR SEVEN DAYS. >> I MIGHT ADD THAT WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE IN THE ORDINANCE NECESSARILY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH COUNCIL GIVING POLICY DIRECTION TO ADHERE TO THE POWS STANDARD A GENERAL FRAME OF REFERENCE AND TO SEEK -- MAKE SURE THAT I'M CIRCLING BACK WITH COUNCIL ON AYTHING BEYOND THAT, BUT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT AS POLICY DIRECTION, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE NECESSARILY. >> Ricciardelli: THAT MAKES SENSE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT THAT POINT ABOUT THE 19 HAZARD, IT'S A TORNADO OR SOMETHING, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT VERY HOT OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT -- >> Smith : I WILL SAY I COMMEND STAFF FOR BEING PROACTIVE ON THIS, BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES EVERYBODY HAS ACTED, SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER WHO HAS PROVEN TO BE A GREAT CITY MANAGER, I THINK IT'S WORKED OUT WELL FOR US WITH THE POWS OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION AND I SEE NO REASON WHY IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT WELL FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. >> Williams: YEAH, THANK YOU, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT THIS IS THOUGH IT'SIVEN TO -- DEFINED AS BEING ONLY FOR A RELIGIOUS FACILITY, ACCORDING TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UNLESS I'M MISREADING IT, A RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN ALL OF OUR ZONING CATEGORIES, RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL EVERYWHERE AND DOESN'T HAVE THAT I CAN SEE ANY REQUIREMENTS TO DESIGNATE A STRUCTURE AS A RELIGIOUS FACILITY, BASICALLY JUST DECLARE IT. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> I MEAN, YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. THERE 'S A DEFINION FOR -- YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT STANDARD. >> Williams: THE DEFINITION... AND THE PLACE OF RESIDENCE FOR RELIGIOUS PERSONNEL IN THE PREMISES. NOW, I SEE THAT ANYBODY COULD JUST DECLARE ANY BUILDING AS, OKAY, THIS IS NOW YOURSED FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP. I HATE TO THINK THE PEOPLE WOULD ABUSE THE CLASSIFICATION FOR -- FOR PURPOSES THAT DON'T ALIGN WITH THE PURPOSE OF THIS THINGS. BUT PEOPLE DO WSE >> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WAS MOST COMPELLING ABOUT THIS, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE THE DEFINITION, I THINK UP THERE, BUT THE DEFINITION ACTUALLY IS REQUIRED TO BE FREE, SO WE THOUGHT SOME OF THE BUILT-IN LANGUAGE OF THE -- AGREEMENTS OVER HERE -- THE TEMPORARY ACCESSORY HOUSING SHELTER, IT SORT OF SELF-REGULATING, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- YOU NEED TO PROVIDE FREE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHAT PROHIBITIVE WHILE THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD DO THAT, THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE -- IS A PREDOMINANCE OF THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A -- HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE CITY I THINK WE THOUGHT WAS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. >> Williams: PERHAPS, WITH BUT I SEE THE ROOM FOR ABUSE, BUT COUPLE THAT WITH ANOTHER PROVISION HERE SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE NO MORE THAN 30 CALENDAR DAYS PER YEAR, QUOTE, UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. HOW IS UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS DEFINED? I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. >> I DON'T REMEMBER. LET ME LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND SEE WHERE IT SAYS THE UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. >> Williams: SURE. LET ME TRY TO PULL THAT BACK UP MYSELF. >> IS THAT THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TODAY? EXISTING? >> Williams: THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE WRITEUP, YEAH 15.21 TEMPORARY HOUSING, SHALL HOUSE A MAXIMUM OF 14 INDIVDUALS AT ONE TIME, MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. I'M JUST SAYING BETWEEN THESE I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE WHEN ALLOWING FACILITIES TO HELP PEOPLE AT NEED IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER. >> Mayor Muns: I NEED AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING THE ABUSE OPPORTUNITY. HOLD ON, WE'RE NOT OPEN YET. SORRY. >> I'LL JUST CLARIFY. I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THE STILL THE NORMAL DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY ACCESSORY HOWING SHELTER, BUT WE HAVE THESE EXCEPTIONS, THESE EXEMPTIONS OF LIFE THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND DECLARED DISASTERS, SO WHEN WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE, WE TOOK OUT OTHER STAARDS BUT WE PU THAT IN THERE THAT THERE ARE -- THESE ARE THE NORMAL CONDITIONS, THE FOURTEEN INDIVIDUALS AND 30 DAYS, BUT YOU'VE GOT THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. .>> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. >> Williams: THE CONCERN I HAVE THAT I WAS GETTING AT WAS BASED ON THE DEFINITIONS SPECIFYING UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, AND BASICALLY BEING PERMITTED IN ANY STRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY THAT DESIGNATES ITSELF A RELIGIOUS FACILITY, THEN WHENEVER THERE IS A WEATHER EVENT OR OTHER DISASTER -- AND I'M THINKING COVID HERE, BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER A DISASTER DECLARATION FOR MONTHS ON END, THAT PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO SAY OPERATE HOMELESS SHELTER OR SEVERAL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE NOT CHARGING. IT INVITES WELL INTENTIONED OR NOT WELL INTENTIONED ABUSE. OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING FOR. PART OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED LIKE DURING WINTER STORM URI WAS ALLOWING THE -- AND WE DID, A NUMBER OFHE CHURCHES AROUND THE CITY, AND MOSQUES TO OPEN UP AS EMERGENCY SHELTERS. NOW, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT HERE, BUT UNDER A VARIETY OF CONDITIONS, BUT BECAUSE RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS BASICALLY AT WILL, UNDER OUR ZONING TERMS AND BECAUSE THAT COVERS -- COULD COVER ANY STRUCTURE IN THE CITY, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT WELL DEFINED ENOUGH, THAT'S MY HESITATION. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERY INTERESTING POINT. WHAT IF WEMENDED IT TO SAY THAT IN THE CASE OF A LONG RUNNING DISASTER DECLARATION, THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS WOULD ALLOW TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING UNDER THAT DISASTER DECLARATION AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE COUNCIL, LIKE COVID OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, THAT WENT ON -- I THINK THAT DISASTER DECLARATION WENT ON FOR A YEAR OR TWO, AND I DON'T THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE TO ALLOW CONTINUOUS OPERATION OF TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING DURING SUCH AN EVENT THAT'SOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'S ESPECIALLY HAZARDOUS TO BE OUTSIDE, AND SO -- >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT VERY QUICKLY TO THE POINT THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING. IN THE ORDINANCE WE HAVE AS IT READS NOW THAT IT'S DECLARED DISASTERS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, IN COVID WE DIDN'T DECLARE A DISASTER IN THE CITY OF PLANO. WE OPERATED UNDER THE STATE DISASTER DECLARATION. AND SO THIS -- THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWABLE PER THE ORDINANCE. >> [ INAUDIBLE - NO MIC ] >> NO, THIS IS DECLARED DISASTERS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, WHICH WOULD BE THE CITY -- THEY'RE CITY DECLARED DISASTERS, THERE ARE STATE DECLARED DISASTERS, THERE ARE FEDERAL DECLARED DISASTERS. THE WAY THIS READS IS THAT WE THE CITY, OR I THINK THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE DECLARING THE DISASTER. >> Williams: I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE NUANCES OF THE LANGUAGE HERE, BUT WOULD A STATEWIDE DISASTER BE CONSIDERED TO BE INEFFECT IN THE CITY OF PLANO? IT WOULD DEPENN WHETHER OR NO WE -- RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL UNDER A COVID -- WE WERE UNDER A COVID DISASTER DECLARATION UNTIL MAY OF THIS YEAR. >> Williams: RIGHT. >> IT -- >> Williams: THAT'S MY POINT. >> BUT WE DIDN'T -- WE DIDN'T OPERATE UNDER THE POWERS THAT WE HAVE FOR DISASTER DECLARATION, SO IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY CHOOSES TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE -- WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO RECOGNIZE THAT DECLARATION AND USE THE POWERS OF THAT DECLARATION. >> COULD WE AT LEAST REWORD TH WHE IT SAY DECLARED DISASTER IS IN THE CITY OF PLANO TO DISASTER IS DECLARED BY THE CITY OF PLANO? >> THAT'S A GOOD DISTINCTION. [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] >> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, ALSO IF THIS DID BECOME A PROBLEM AS COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS IS CONCERNED ABOUT, WE COULD CERTAINLY UNDO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, MY SPECIAL MEETING IF NECESSARY, CORRECT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI'S SUGGESTION OF EFFECTIVE COUNCIL. >> Ricciardelli: AND ON THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, PART, WHAT IS IT 15-2100 TWO (B) ENDS WITH AT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE DISASTER STATUS IS RESCINDED, AND I WONDER IF WE COULD SAY OR THE NEED FOR TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING IS RESCINDED, BECAUSE PRESUMABLY WE COULD HAVE A DISASTER LIKE COVID, HAD WE CHOSEN TO DECLARE THAT A DISASTER, WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO RESCIND THE DECLARATION, BUT IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DISASTER THAT REQUIRES TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING, SOME DISASTERS WOULD, SOME DISASTERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE COVID DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT IMPACT. SO ANYWAY, I ALSO THINK THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION. >> I THINK -- >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> Smith : I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THIS WITH THE CHANGES COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS HAD ABOUT DISASTER DECLARATION BY THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CONDITION BY THE CITY OF PLANO. >> Mayor Muns: WE STILL HAVE RICK'S? RICK AND JULIE. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: JULIE SECONDED IT. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT THE DECLARATION BY THE CITY OF PLANO FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] [ INAUDIBLE - NO MIC ] >> Mayor Muns: WE'RE VOTING ON THE ORDINANCE, WITH THE AMENDMENT. >> WITH THE AMENDMENT. >> IS THAT RIGHT, LISA? >> YEAH, HE AMENDED THE MOTION. >> BY THE CITY OF PLANO. >> Williams: THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE THIS IN ORDER, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE WE ADD AMENDMENT LANGUAGE PROPOSED BY COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI. >> WHICH IS WHAT? >> Prince: CAN Y'ALL CLARIFY FOR ME THE AMENDMENTS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE AMENDING. >> Mayor Muns: THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS BY THE CITY OF PLANO. THE WORD B-Y. >> Williams: DISASTER IS DECLARED BY THE CITY OF PLANO AS OPPOSED TO IN THE CITY OF PLANO. >> Mayor Muns: THE SECOND AMENDMENT -- WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT CORRECT. >> Williams: ON THAT, BUT BASED ON OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, WE CAN HAVE AN INTERRUPTING MOTION TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT WHICH MAY PASS OR FAIL, AND BASED ON THAT, WE CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD, BUT -- >> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI WAS TRYING TO HAVE, PRESENT, WAS THAT THE DISASTER WAS DECLARED BY THE BODY OF THE COUNCIL. >> Ricciardelli: WHAT I WAS OFFERING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A WAY FOR US TO RESCIND THE NEED FOR TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING WITHOUT RESCINDING THE ENTIRE DISASTER DECLARATION. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO REMAIN A DISASTER, BUT DOESN'T IMPLICATE THE NEEDTOR TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING. COVID WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE. I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THIS UNTIL COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS SAID THIS. THAT WENT ON AND ON. I KNOW THERE'S SOMETIMES BENEFITS TO HAVING A DECLARED DISASTER IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDS, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY TO UNTETHER THIS FROM HAVING THAT DECLARED DISASTER, LIKE ESSENTIALLY THE DISASTER DECLARATION COULD CONTINUE BUT WE COULD SAY WE'RE ENDING THE TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING PORTION OF IT. >> Mayor Muns: LET MARK -- >> Smith : I THINK WE'RE WAY -- WE HAVE GREAT INTENTIONS. I MEAN, I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE WAY OVERTHINKING THIS. LET'S APPROVE OR LET'S VOTE -- I'M SORRY, LET'S VOTE ON THIS WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT'SN T TABLE THERE, IF THAT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE GO TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, BUT, AGAIN, IF WE DO THIS, AND GOD FORBID SOMETHING DOES DASTARDLY HAPPEN TO US, WE CAN CHANGE IT, WITH A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE HAVE TO. IT'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH US FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT, WE DO NEED TO BE PROACTIVE AND HAVE SOMETHING LIK THIS, JUST IN CASE -- OR I SHOULD SAY WHEN, THINGS ALWAYS WILL HAPPEN LIKE THIS, AND WE'RE PREPARED FOR IT [ INAUDIE - MIC ] >> VOTE ON THIS SECOND AMENDMENT? >> Mayor Muns: I THOUGHT ANTHONY DID -- >> Ricciardelli: I GUESS I WAS SUGGESTING -- THAT AMENDMENT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT. >> Ricciardelli: I'LL CLARIFY. IT WOULD BE TO ADD LANGUAGE AFTER UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE -- [ MULTIPLE VOICES ] SO ADD LANGUAGE AFTER IN 15-2100 TWO (B), ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE UNT SUCH TIME AS THE DISASTER LANGUAGE IS RESCINDED, OR UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE COUNCIL RESCINDS UNDER THE HOUSING DISASTER DECLARATION. >> Mayor Muns: DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? >> Prince: I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION AT OUR DISCRETION RIGHT? >> Ricciardelli: IT'S CLOSE -- I THINK THAT IS STILL IN HERE. >> Prince: BY THE CITY MANAGER DESIGNEE? >> Mayor Muns: SAY IT AGAIN. WHAT DULL SAY. >> Prince: TRYING TO SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS STILL GOING TO GET TO DESIGNATE IT OR TRYING TO CHANGE IT TO WHERE THE CITY SIGNE IT?ILL HAVE TO >> Ricciardelli: I WAS NOT TRYING TO MESS WITH PART A, UNDER 15-2100 PART TWO, THERE IS A PART A, AND THEN PART B, DECLARED DISASTERS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE DECLARED BY MAYOR, AND I THINK HAS TO BE CONTINUED BY THE COUNCIL IF I REMEMBER THE STANDARDS CORRECTLY, AND I WAS SAYING ESSENTIALLY THAT -- THAT WITHOUT RESCINDING THE ENTIRE DISASTER DECLARATION, WE COULD SAY THIS PARTICULAR DISASTER IS NOT OF THE TYPE THAT NEEDS TEMPORARY EMERGENCY HOUSING AND THUS RESCIND THAT PART OF IT WITHOUT HAVING TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER -- >> CAN YOU ADD ONE WORD -- >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION, REAL QUICK. >> Mayor Muns: YES, GO AHEAD. >> COUNCIL, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT, I APPRECIATE ALL THE DISCUSSION TO GET THIS EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I RECALL THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF STRENUOUS SITUATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS ANY OF THE DECLARATIONS THAT Y'ALL HAD HAD TIME LIMITS TO THEM TO BEN WITH, THE POWERS THAT YOU EXERTED TO ME, THE POWERS YOU HAD FOR DECLARATIONS HAD TO BE REVISITED BY COUNCIL WITHIN THOSE DECLARATIONS THEMSELVES, SO WHILE YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN, I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS, PART OF THAT INITIAL DECLARATION CAN BE A TIME LIMIT THAT REQUIRES THIS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, AND AGAIN PART OF THE CHALLENGES I SEE OF THIS IS THAT YOU'RE ORDAINING THIS, YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN THIS THAT IS CREATING ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS TO THIS AND I THINK WE'VE ALL LEARNED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOWHAT WILL COME DOWN THE PH, AND I THINK THAT HAVING FLEXIBILITY IN THIS IS NOT A BAD THING, BUT I THINK YOUR PRACTICES HAVE BEEN VERY SOLID IN PUTTING IN EXPIRATIONS AS YOU'VE BEEN CREATING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS, SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU, THAT'S BEEN YOUR PRACTICE AS YOU HAVE GONE FORWARD, I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AS A PRACTICE. >> Mayo>> Williams: PLEASE DON'T HATE ME, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER SUGGESTIONS I HAD TO THOSE. >> Mayor Muns: IT'S TOO LATE. GO AHEAD. >> Williams: WELL, I DO LIKE THE CITY MANAGER'S NOTION THAT BAKING IN EXPIRATION DAT AS SERVED US WELL, IT REQUIRES US TO INTENTIONALLY REVISIT THE SUBJECT, THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO CODIFY. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SUGGEST REMOVING THIS FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SINCE IT'S PERMITTED IN ALL OF OUR ZONING CATEGORIES, PUT IT IN NONRESIDENTIAL. >> Ricciardelli: SO, YEAH, NOT TO BELABOR THIS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF CHURCHES ACTUALLY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING -- >> Mayor Muns: IT'S NOT IN A RESIDENCE, CORRECT. >> Williams: I'M SORRY? >> Mayor Muns: YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENCE. >> Williams: IN A RESIDENCE YEAH. NOW, DO WE HAVE -- DO WE HAVE CHURCHES IN SF7, SF -- >> YES, WE DO. >> Williams: THEN I WOULD SAY IN A RESIDENCE, BUT -- >> MR. MAYOR, I THINK WE'RE REALLY OVERTHINKING THIS, THIS IS TEMPORARY FOR GOD'S SAKE, YOU KNOW -- >> Mayor Muns: LET'S GO BACK, LET'S CLEAN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. ANTHONY AND SHELBY'S SECOND AMENDMENT, LET'S ALL VOTE ON THAT, YES OR NO. AND -- >> Smith : [ INAUDIBLE - NO MIC ] >> May MuE CAMERA -- THE PART IN BLUE, RESCINDS, OKAY, THE VERY BOTTOM, ON B, BUT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS THE WRITING AT THE BOTTOM, CORRECT, NOT THE BY. THAT WAS ALREADY -- OKAY. SO THIS IS -- THIS IS TO VOTE CITY COUNCIL RESCINDS SUCH NEED FOR HOUSING. >> Williams: BASED ON THE CITY MANAGER'S SUGGESTION, I'LL LK TO COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI, DO WE WANT TO REVISE THIS TO AUTOMATICALLY GIVE IT A TWO WEEK OR 30 DAY EXPIRATION. >> Ricciardelli: YOU KNOW, I'D BE FINE DOING THAT, BUT I -- I, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN TAKE TAKEACTION AS A COUNCIL. I DO LIKE EXPIRATION DATES, IN THE EVENT OF A LONG RUNNING DECLARATION, I GUESS WE WOULD WANT TO DO -- I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WOULD HAVE ONE, THOUGH, LIKE THERE'S A WEATHER TYPE DISASTER, IT I'M GOOD WITH VOTING ONING. THIS. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON CITY COUNCIL RESCINDS SUCH NEED FOR HOUSING AMENDMENT. OKAY. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND? NO, NO, THAT COMES -- THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THIS ONE IS UP OR DOWN, WHETHER WE NEED TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI, THIS IS THAT SECOND AMENDMENT PART. >> Prince: THAT WE'RE ADDING IF WE WANTO RESCIND THE HOUSING PART? >> Mayor Muns: YES, YES. YES OR NO. >> Prince: YES. I'M SORRY, NO. I DON'T -- I'M SORRY, I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE OUT THE HOUSING PART. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. SO I GUESS THAT WAS NO. >> Prince: YEAH, IT WAS NO. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT PASSES. NOW WE ADD THAT TO THE AMENDMENT, AND LET'S VOTE ON IT. OKAY? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? >> Williams: I'D STI LIKE CLARIFICATION WHAT UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS MEANS, 30 DAYS UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, IF THAT IS NOT DEFINED, 30 DAYS IS KIND OF MEANINGLESS. >> Tu: WHAT 30 DAYS. >> Williams: THIS IS SECTION 15.21, TEMPORARY, SHALL HOUSE A MAXIMUM OF 14 INDIVIDUALS AT ONE TIME, AND SHALL OPERATE A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. >> Mayor Muns: CHRISTINA, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT. >> I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPARISON THERE IS BETWEEN THE NORMAL DEFINITION,RHE CURRENT DEFINITION, AND THEN THE PROPOSED EXEMPTIONS, SO THE EXEMPTIONS ARE THE NONNORMAL CONDITIONS. THE NORMAL CONDITION IS THE 14 PEOPLE, 30 DAYS. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, WE HAVE -- >> Prince: THIS IS REALLY CONFUSING. Y'ALL ARE REALLY CONFUSING ME. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE CONFUSED SITTING THERE, BUT TRYING TO DO THIS THE WAY -- >> Mayor Muns: DOING IT ON ZOOM IS IMPOSSIBLE -- >> Prince: THIS ISEALLY CONFUSING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUT THERE. >> Prince: WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION AND SECOND WITH THE AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS BY THE CITY OF PLANO. AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT WHICH PASSED. SO DO YOU MEAN, MR. MAYOR, THAT WE'RE VOTING ON THE BY THE CITY OF PLANO AMENDMENT NOW OR WE'RE VOTING ON THE -- >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, EVERYTHING ON B. >> WE ALREADY APPROVED THE SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: RIGHT. >> Williams: I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHETHER WE'RE VOTING ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF OR THE ORDINANCE WITH THE AMENDMENT. >> Mayor Muns: THE ORDINANCE OF WITH THE AMENDMENT OF BY, AND OF COURSE WHAT YOU GUYS JUST VOTED ON AT THE BOTTOM IS INCLUDED, SO ALL OF B IS -- WITH THE WRITING IS INCLUDED. >> Williams: OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING THAT IS SHOWN IS ON THAT. >> Tu: CAN WE VOTE THAT. >> Williams: I'M STILL NOT CLEAR. ARE WE VOTING ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW OR THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. >> Tu: THENTIRE ORDINANCE. >> Mayor Muns: THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE WITH THE ADDITION OF TWO PART B. >> Williams: I'M AFRAID WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING -- WHAT UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS MEANS, I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THE -- >> Williams: WE'RE STILL VOTING. OKAY, PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI -- >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES 7-1. NEXT ITEM? >> ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 6, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE A SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN AND IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER ONE ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR THE HAGGARD FARMS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. MAKING A FINDING OF SPECIAL BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY IN IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER ONE OF THE DISTRICT, LEVYING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS AGAINST THE PROPERTY WITHIN IMPROVEMENT AREA ONE OF THE DISTRICT, AND ESTABLISHING A LYNLIEN ON SUCH PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR THE METHOD OF ASSESSMENT, A THEAYMENT OF ASSESSMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AS AMENDED, PROVIDING PENALTIES AND INTEREST ON DELINQUENT ASSESSMENTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, WITH ME IS OUR BOND COUNSEL, SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THESE ITEMS, FEEL FREE, ASK EITHER ONE OF US, PROBABLY I'M NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE BOND STUFF, SO JUST FAIR WARNING, DENISE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE JORDAN HERE WHO IS REALLY WELL VERSED IN ALL OF THIS STUFF, THE FIRST ITEM IS AGAIN TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE ANY PUBLIC INPUT, AND THEN VOTE ON AFTERNOON PROVING THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, WHICH SETS UP THE ASSESSMENTS AND THE ASSESSMENT ROLE. IT DOES NOT IMPRO F THE IMPROVEE BOND, THAT IS THE NEXT ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETER? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Tu: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Smith : SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MARIA, HIT IT AGAIN. MOTION PASSES 8-0. OH, NO, NO, HE'S NOT. MARIA, HIT IT AGAIN. >> I JUST CLOSED IT. >> Mayor Muns: OH, SHE CLOSED IT. >> I CAN REOPEN IT. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION PASSES 8-0. THANK YOU. ITEM 7. >> ITEM 7 IS CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE CITY OF PLANO SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BONDS AS A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR 1A, THAT IS THE ASSESSMENT YOU JUST PASSED, THIS IS THE BOND TO GO ALONG WITH THIS SETTLEMENT, AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT BONDS THAT HIT OUR BALANCE SHEET. IT IS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I CAN HEAR A MOTION. >> >> Tu: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: OH, GOOD. KAYCI VOTES YES. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. NEXT ITEM, 8. >> City Clerk: PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE A SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN AND MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR THE HAGGARD FARM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT MAKING A FINDING OF SPECIAL BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY IN THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA OF THE DISTRICT, LEVYING SECIAL ASSESSMENTS AGAINST PROPERTY WITHIN THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA OF THE DISTRICT, AND ESTABLISHING A LIEN ON SUCH PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR THE METHOD OF ASSESSMENT AND THE PAYMENT OF THE ASSISTMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372 TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AS AMENDED, PROVIDING PENALTIES AND INTEREST ON DELINQUENT ASSESSMENTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> SO THIS ITEM IS AGAIN A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ASSESSMENT ON THE REMAINDER OF THE HAGGARD FARM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, IT HAS THE SAME SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN AS THE PREVIOUS ONE, THIS IS NOW ATTACHED TO THIS, AND OUTLINES THESE ASSESSMENTS, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, PETER. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMCOMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. OKAY. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM 9? >> City Clerk: ITEM 9 CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE CITY OF PLANO SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE BOND SERIES 2023, HAGGARD FARM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA PROJECT, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING RELATED AGREEMENTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> LIKE THE -- LIKE ITEM NUMBER 7, THIS IS A BOND TO GO AGAINST THE ASSESSMT THAT YOU JT APPROVED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, WE HAVE A SPEAKER. >> City Clerk: WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM, JENNIFER GROSSMAN. >> HI, JENNIFER GROSSMAN. PLANO. I SLEPT ALL THE WAY OVER HERE FROM WEST PLANO TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ITEM 2, WHICH WAS TABLED, MAYBE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES, YOU SHOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, I FIGURED SINCE I WAS HERE, I WOUL TALK ON ITEM 9. I'M AGAINST ISSUING DEBT FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY'S DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. I AND MANY OTHER RESIDENTS WERE AGAINST GETTING RID OF OUR AG TO BUILD A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. NOW HAGGARD IS COMING TO THE CITY TO BUILD THEIR PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DEVELOPMENT, THAT MANY RESIDENTS DID NOT WANT INCLUDING MYSELF. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD, THEY NEED TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN, NOT AS THE ASK THE TAXPAYERS TO HELP FUND IT. PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> Ricciardelli: IF I MAY MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION THAT I THINK MAY ADDRESS THAT, I ACTUALLY VOTED AGAINST THE ZONING ON THIS, BUT THIS ITEM IS JUST A MECHANISM THAT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAXING THEMSELVES OR THE PEOPLE TO WHOM THEY SELL THE LAND, AND I'VE ACTUALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF A DIFFERENT P.I.D. WORKED WITH CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON, PETER BRASTER AND OTHERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING OPEN TO THIS, TO GET VERY PRECISE LANGUAGE IN THERE IN BOLD AND ITALICS THAT SAYS THAT ANYBODY WHO BUYS THIS PROPERTY IS SIGNING UP VOLUNTARILY TO PAY AN ASSESSMENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND THAT THEIR PROPERTY MAY BE FORECLOSED ON IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS -- YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS OF THE CITY. THE CITY IS NOT -- ESSENTIALLY IT'S A VEHICLE FOR THEM TO TAX THEIR OWN PROPERTY IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY SO. I JUST THOUGHT THAT CLARIFICATION MIGHT HELP. >> Mayor Muns: NO. >> Ricciardelli: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayoruns: SECON THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 9. PLEASE VOTE. KAYCI? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES 8-0. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, MEETING IS ADJOURNED.