This transcript has been formatted with speaker names based on the context provided for the Lake Elmo City Council meeting. [00:00] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** ...indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Thank you. Item B, approval of the agenda. And I would just like to note that within the [clears throat] regular agenda number one will no longer be on the agenda tonight and is being pulled at the request of the applicant. So I will gladly take a motion to move an amended version of the agenda without regular number one. [00:18] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** So, moved. [00:20] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Is there a second? [00:21] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** Second. [00:22] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There's a motion and a second. Any discussion on the amended agenda? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say I. [00:28] **Council Members:** I. [00:30] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There are none opposed. C. Presentations. Do we have any presentations for tonight? [00:34] **City Administrator Nicole Miller:** No. There are none. [00:36] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Do we have any public comments or inquiries, Sergeant? [00:38] **Sergeant Ty Jacobson:** We're good. [00:40] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Okay. No public inquiries on the consent agenda for tonight. One, approve payments and disbursements. Two, accept improvements and approve pay request number two for the 2025 mill and overlay project. Three, amend the motion authorizing engineering services for 2026 crosswalk layouts. Four, approve MPCA grant agreement for the north water treatment plant. Five, authorize geotechnical services for CASAW 14 water main project. Six, approve first amendment to development agreement for Prairie Sky Twin Homes. Seven, approve landscape security reduction for Union Park phase 1 development. Eight, appointment of deputy city clerk. Nine, approve to change job description from administrative services coordinator to administrative services director. 10, approve 2026 liquor license renewals. 11, approve the 2026 meeting calendar. 12, reappoint park commissioners. 13, reappoint economic development authority commissioners. 14, reappoint planning commissioners, and 15 authorized certification of delinquent storm water bills and utility bills. And that is the consent agenda. Is there a motion to approve the consent or to amend? [01:54] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Move to approve the consent agenda. [01:56] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Second. [01:58] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There's a motion, a second to approve the consent agenda as written. All those in favor, please say I. [02:04] **Council Members:** I. [02:06] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There are none opposed. That brings us to the first item of regular agenda which now is the lawful gambling city code update and revenue spending, Finance Coordinator Kramer. [02:15] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yeah. Hi everyone. I really don't like presenting or public speaking, so this is not going to be fun, but I'm going to try my best. Feel free to laugh if needed. Okay. So, what is lawful gambling? It is the operation, conduct or sale of um bingo, raffles, paddle wheels, tip boards, and pokes. And we have three current charitable gambling organizations that conduct business within the city. And so we had an inquiry from one of those [clears throat] organizations about our process, what we are spending our funds on, and going forward, why we haven't filed information with the state. So we are looking at our ordinance and it was determined that it needed some updates. So, I worked with Sarah on those updates and what I sent to you in the packet is what we had come up with and so there are a few changes. Um it was originally adopted in 1997 and it was more restrictive than state statute. So, we had the premise permit issuance updated to not include an address from the organization within the city of Lake Elmo and it defaulted to the state regulations for that. Um, and then all of our updates align with the Gambling Board, League of Minnesota Cities, and Sarah's recommendations. And some other ordinance changes were the let's see, outdated liquor gambling section removal of 3% gross receipts requirement and no premise permit fee or renewal permit is required since we weren't doing that previously. And then we did add definitions in trade area, which I suppose is probably the most important one that I forgot. Um, which outlines where the money can be spent. And we updated that to include all of our local cities that are surrounding us, including the different three different school districts. [clears throat] And then I guess so now it's just a matter of a question of once the ordinance is updated whether or not we collect the 10%. Um and we were already previously had it in our ordinance. We're just not enforcing it. So we would like to enforce it um for those three entities that are currently operating within city limits. So, [clears throat] um where am I going with that? Sorry, lost my train of thought. Okay, so um one of the requirements of the state statute is that we create a gambling fund. So, we did do that this year and all of the money that we collect is going into that fund. Um, and then we will be reporting [clears throat] the contributions received and the uses of those funds and we will also be putting them in the budget um for next year. And so, our we're tentatively budgeting 20,000 in revenues for 2026. [clears throat] We actually just received another check from Oakdale Athletic Association this last week and so we're up to like $6,500 in revenue that we have collected. So we don't know what the total is going to be, but we will be having at least two more once Tap and Ladder um is up and running because they did ask already [clears throat] for charitable gambling permits for that. And then our recommendation for the use of the funds is to allocate the funds to the Washington County Sheriff's Office, which is allowable under statute. Um, and it directly benefits all Lake Elmo residents. And I have recommended motions to adopt the new ordinance, publishing the summary publication of that ordinance and then authorizing us to use those funds next year for the law enforcement contract. [04:46] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Any questions? Questions from Miss Kramer. [04:48] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** So when you talk about like the Oakdale Athletic Association operating at Twin Points, is that they sell pull tabs? [04:54] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes, at Twin Points. [04:56] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** And same for the Stillwater Area Hockey Association. They sell them at Lakewood Tavern. So there's no like just a bar or restaurant that has this would apply to as well. [05:08] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** No. Nope. They have to apply for a premise permit to operate at those locations. And so you would already approve those three that we currently have. [05:15] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Question then. So, historically, we've had in place our ordinances for this for years. [05:22] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes. [05:23] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** And that included the 10%. [05:25] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes. [05:26] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** And have we ever historically been voluntarily provided 10% from any of those entities? Obviously, the oldest one would be Twin Point, right? [05:32] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** So, so previously it was just the JCs there and um Oakdale recently took over for them in March of this year, but the JCs [clears throat] always donates more than what they actually earn because on top of their pull tabs, so we hadn't been collecting because they were voluntarily just donating those proceeds to us. Um so, but Oakdale when they started automatically started sending us checks this year. [06:00] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** And I guess the root of my question is because I I know pull tabs are regulated by the department of revenue and they do audits with those very regularly. [06:08] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** The Minnesota Gambling Board. Yeah. [06:10] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** They work together with him and the revenue will go out and do site visits with the gambling board. I'm just surprised at no point when they're checking their books, they haven't seen it's not their—like they wouldn't enforce them to send us that money. It's on us to enforce those regulations and we did not do that. [06:25] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** And then what does that look like moving forward then for staff time and how that process works to ensure that happens. [06:33] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Right. So the checks—well, so that's just a matter of processing any funds that come through and keeping track of that for the paperwork [clears throat] that needs to be filed by March 15th. And I don't know, I figure it'll be about an hour for me to do that and then it's just matter of filing said paperwork. But we'll have to work with Julie on how we're going to collect that. But since she's out on medical leave, I have not been able to do that. [clears throat] [06:54] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** In the case of Party Barn, it's not a process change for them because it's new anyways. So they haven't—it's not a change for their process. [07:03] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** No. No. [07:04] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Do they have pull tabs? [07:05] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** They will. They will. Yep. [07:07] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** And that'll be that—like they profit off of. [07:09] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes. Not an association funding. They go to—so they are with Woodbury Area Athletic Association for an association as well. [07:20] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I guess maybe just to follow up on that. I mean is that—do they split the revenues with those associations or do the associations like does Woodbury Athletic Association with the Party Barn do they take all the proceeds from the pulls or is that a split? [07:33] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** So, I don't know exactly how that works, but I do know that they have to typically pay some sort of like leasing fee to have their like stand within—I don't know. [07:44] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Sure. Yeah. I don't know how much it it's set in statute. I didn't really look into that side of it because we don't regulate any of that. That's all regulated by the gambling board. [07:54] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** But it sounds like these are primarily done for the purpose of raising funds for these associations. [07:59] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes. And then just to be clear, we don't have to charge a—we don't have to collect revenue from these. [08:05] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Nope. So if you wanted to tell me we shouldn't, we can certainly not do that. [08:08] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** And the funds, they're allocated [clears throat] towards the Washington County law enforcement. Have they always been allocated for Washington County or is that new? [08:18] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** New. So this whole process is technically new because we hadn't been collecting the funds previously. [08:24] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** So, Matt, it's charitable gambling. So, charitable associations generally keep most of the money. They can pay a small portion under law to the establishment where they have their—they're set up within, but don't have to. [08:35] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** But the association where they're set up like you know Party Barn or whatever doesn't profit from that. [08:41] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Correct. Under law. [08:43] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Thank you. [clears throat] There's no profit. [08:45] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I guess process-wise. So in this recommended motion, so it goes to the sheriff's department who we depend upon for great work. I assume there are identified things that have already been discussed for how those proceeds would be used then by the department. [08:58] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Uh we don't actually. We just go towards the overall contract amount that we pay every year. [clears throat] So to help reduce the amount that we're using from the operating budget. Yes, but I mean you can use it for any of the other things that I outlined in that guide. So I mean it's not like you have to. It's just our recommended because that way everybody benefits that lives here from that. [09:20] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Any other further questions before a motion? As we can't discuss ideas without a motion. [09:25] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Move to adopt ordinance 2025-07 amending the Lake Elmo City Code of Ordinance by amending chapter 11.04 relating to lawful gambling. [09:34] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Second. [09:35] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Discussions on ordinance 017. So is this where—nope, never mind. So this is topic three is where it's regarding where it goes to. Any discussion on ordinance 17? [09:47] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** So I just want to make sure. Um, so this is pertaining to the 10%. [09:54] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** That'd be motion three. [09:55] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Yes. Yep. Got it. This is specifically for just the ordinance because it needs to be [clears throat] updated regardless because it was a lot of antiquated language in there. [10:04] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Okay. Good to go. All those in favor of ordinance 2025-017, please signify by saying I. [10:10] **Council Members:** I. [10:12] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There are none opposed. [10:14] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Move to adopt resolution 2025-081 authorizing publication summary of ordinance 2025-17. [10:20] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** I'm going to go out on a limb here that there's probably not discussion on a publication summary and I will need a second. [10:25] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** Second. [10:27] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** And there is a second. All those in favor of 2025-081, please signify by saying I. [10:32] **Council Members:** I. [10:34] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There are four yeses for that. [10:35] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Move to authorize staff to receive a budgeting for lawful gambling revenues in fund 210 and to allocate the proceeds towards the city's law enforcement contract. [10:45] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Second. [clears throat] Discussion. I guess I can start it out. I just—I would prefer to um I think this is something we could come back to in the future if there's other uses or a way that gambling is being done in the city. I feel like for this, these are specifically for sports organizations or their fundraising money for kids to be able to play sports and to make those more manageable financially. It's $20,000 is what we're budgeting. Um, I, you know, I know every dollar counts for the city perspective, but I think $20,000 probably matters for kids that could benefit from that from like a sports standpoint. So, I would prefer to just I guess kind of continue with what we've been doing. Um, but I guess just make it concrete that we don't actually [clears throat] have a revenue share. We don't take some of the revenue from these fundraisers from these associations would be my preference. [11:42] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Acting mayor. You know, I think it's kind of we're designated towards a law enforcement contract, but in some ways it's irrelevant. We have $20,000 that we weren't planning on getting. We can, you know, give it to law enforcement center to reduce their budget by 20,000 to make them neutral and use that for youth sports. It's kind of a, you know, sleight of hand in some ways. We're just adding $20,000 general to our revenues and we can spend this only for certain purposes, but that doesn't mean, you know, we can't up our spending somewhere else or we could reduce our property tax levy by 20,000. [12:15] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** I am shocked that you would suggest that. Unfortunately, that's not a covered expense there, but yes. [12:22] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Additional thoughts? [12:24] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** I concur with Councilman Hirn. No additional thoughts. [12:27] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** So, your thought would be to have it be 0%. [12:30] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Yes. Yep. [12:31] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** And my thought again—there's no one on the planet who's going to say a donation to law enforcement is bad. Correct. Um but in this case, you know, if it's for a specific program, you know, helping with the K9 training or giving additional equipment, absolutely. If it's to help reduce the burden for our contract and it's just shifting—my thought was we have other costs that we do on a yearly basis. The labor costs for July 4th parade, for festivals, some of those things that are yearly that benefit the community as a whole and are nice-to-haves was kind of where I was going to be leaning. But honestly, maybe it's worthy of just—at this point we don't—do we have to designate something at this point? So, not even an issue of 0%. Can we not designate anything for the fund yet or do we have to have something where it's designated? [13:16] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Only if you want to spend the funds. So, I don't really—I would have to ask Sarah how that would work for all of the money we've already received because I don't know if we would return it to them. [13:28] **City Administrator Nicole Miller:** If I may, acting mayor. If we've received the funds, those were largely somewhat donated. But if it's just not budgeted to expense, it just sits in that fund. Right. So anything that we haven't approved for purchase essentially, we haven't budgeted. It just sits in that fund. And there—did you say there's no requirement to spend the funds in a certain period of time? [13:48] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** There is not. So we can essentially collect those funds, wait until there's some amount, just have it kind of sitting there until there's a purpose that we remember we can use that money for. [13:58] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** So we could use as an ad hoc situation in 2026 when we want to have something special for the July 4th parade? [14:05] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** So long as it fits within those statutory requirements for those funds. Yeah, that's absolutely correct. You can use it for the Fourth of July parade actually. [clears throat] Oakdale uses theirs for their Summer Fest a lot of times. [14:18] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** And I guess that's where I would kind of lean myself. But we essentially have three different thoughts going on right now. And we have an underlying motion here to have it be 10% and to go to the Washington County Sheriff's Department, which is a fantastic entity. [14:32] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Maybe just to add to this too, I mean again I think it was kind of brought up. It's like well what about the resources that are going to have to be spent to collect this money, right? The staff that's going to have to monitor this? [14:40] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** [Shaking head] No, it's going to be easy. No, I don't think it'll be that. We already have numerous—now that it's been brought up, it shouldn't be that difficult. [14:50] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Okay. Well, I guess I suppose go back to my first point then of I just—if it's sports associations for youth sports, I don't think we need to take $20,000 from the youth sports in this situation. [15:02] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** We're not taking it from them. [15:04] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Well, what—yeah, we are. What are we doing for this revenue? They're doing the fundraising. What are we getting from it? We're getting revenue that they're—they're doing the fundraising. That money would not have come to us. [15:15] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** We're allowing them to do the fundraising in the city of Lake Elmo. [15:18] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Allowing them to put pull tabs into a bar? I just—I don't think that's a big ask. [15:24] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I don't either. [15:25] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Well, I—that's fine. I don't think we need to take the $20,000 from the youth sports. [15:30] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Further discussion on the underlying motion for motion number three. Seeing none, I will call the question. All those in favor to move to authorize staff to proceed with budgeting for lawful gambling revenues in fund 2110 and allocate it to the city's law enforcement contract. Please signify by saying I. [15:47] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I. [15:48] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** All those opposed. [15:49] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Nay. [15:50] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** Nay. [15:51] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Nay. Motion fails. One, two, three. Is there another motion anyone would like to make? [16:00] **Finance Coordinator Kramer:** Um, Mr. Acting Mayor. A clarification point. The ordinance that you just adopted has the 10% in it. So, I don't know if you want to go back and [snorts] amend that or not or if you just want to leave it in there and not enforce it like you were doing. I guess that's an option too. So, you should probably have a discussion about that. [16:22] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** If anyone wishes to change that, then the motion would be a motion to reconsider. Otherwise, there would be a motion to dedicate it to a specific area or we move on to the item three for the Chief. [16:32] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Motion to reconsider ordinance 2025-017. [16:36] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** Second. [16:38] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** All those in favor of the motion to reconsider, please signify by saying I. [16:42] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** I. [16:43] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** I. [16:44] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** All those opposed, same sign. [16:46] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** No. [16:47] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** No. Motion does not pass. So then we remain—one and two have passed, but we do not have a current allocation for fund 210. Um, it has been clarified we do not need to at this time say where it shall be dedicated to. Uh so we can have an additional motion if there's a specific place that someone would like or we can move from there. Seeing no further motions, I will move along to item number three, statewide volunteer firefighting plan. And thank you for the presentation and thank you for acting on this as well. It is always good to be able to have some process improvement and update ordinances as needed. Chief Kalis. [17:28] **Fire Chief Dustin Kalis:** Trying to get my microphone on. There we go. Mayor, acting mayor and council members, before you've got a presentation or just a staff report on an increase to the statewide volunteer firefighter plan. It's the pension that goes to our paid on call firefighters. January of 2024, we entered into the statewide volunteer plan. It's administered by Minnesota PERA and basically eliminated our relief association at that time. That would take care of the pension benefit for the paid on call firefighters. Coming to council tonight to ask for an increase in that benefit. Our current benefit level stands at $8,000 per year of service and asking to increase our benefit level to $9,000 per year of service. Um as part of the SVF plan, PERA provides us a report in July of kind of where we're at with our benefit plan, how it looks, and they give us kind of a report card of where we stand. One of the big keys to that report is our funding amount. And in our funding amount for the last report of July that came—July of 2025—we are 147% funded. We had a retirement that was paid out—a large retirement that was paid out this past year just a few months ago—at nearly a quarter million dollars. Member served 32 years of service. So that liability amount was taken off and appreciate Nina for working on a calculation for us. Our funding amount right now based on the last report is now at 134% with that large dollar amount taken out of there. So currently our fund is well funded, is in good standing, and asking council for support to move to our benefit level to $9,000 per year service. In the staff report, I did include some neighboring fire departments that do have relief associations or benefit plans that are in the SVF. And though I didn't have some of the '26 increases known, I took the '25 benefit levels and the ones that I did know that were having increases through '26. And out of that group of fire departments, we fall pretty much right in the middle when we're at $9,000. I don't have much more to go over. So if there's any questions... [clears throat] [19:40] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Questions for Chief. [19:42] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** I just have a potentially very dumb question, but if like let's say you served 20 years, is that $180,000 pension per year for that firefighter? [19:50] **Fire Chief Dustin Kalis:** It's $9,000 per year of service. So, 20 years is vested at 100%. 20 years times 9,000 dollars would be the payout amount for that individual at age 50. It's a current—our current plan's a lump sum payout after the age of 50. Our vesting amounts when we went into the SVF changed a little bit. So, our firefighters are vested in this plan at 40% at five years and they're 100% vested at 20 years. The other big piece to this too is where the money comes from. It comes from the state. It comes from the fire state aid. And by statute, fire state aid has to go to the firefighters' retirement pension. Over the past few years, we've seen this dollar amount go from roughly $60,000 in 2017 to $117,000 this year. So, there's a big calculation and formula on how we get to that fire state amount because of our growth, because of our development and market values. That all kind of plays into that fire state aid amount that we get from the state and that's a direct pass-through to the pension fund. That's how this is also funded on top of our investment accounts that are managed through PERA. [21:14] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Okay. Thank you. [21:16] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Other questions for Chief? [21:18] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Motion to approve resolution number 2025-077. Resolution opting to increase the benefit level for firefighters who are vested in the statewide volunteer firefighter plan to 9,000 per year of service. [21:30] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** Support. [21:31] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There's a motion and a second to approve motion 2025-077. Any discussion? [21:35] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I think this is a good move for the city. We need to have something that makes it worthwhile for people to serve as volunteer firefighters and we need to be competitive with our neighbors or we won't be able to get volunteers. And I think this is a very wise decision on the part of the city and I thank them for their volunteer service. [21:54] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** I think you said it for the council right there and thank you for bringing this to our attention as well. I know in the past this has come up again in prior years. So, thank you again for getting the increase in there as it is warranted. It is necessary and it is deserved. All those in favor of motion 2025-077, please signify by saying I. [22:15] **Council Members:** I. [22:17] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** There are none opposed. Motion passes 4-0. That brings us to council reports. [22:21] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** I was going to give discussion on the theory of relativity in astrophysics. [22:26] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Moving on. [22:27] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** No report. [22:28] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** No report. [22:29] **Council Member Nick Dragisich:** No report. [22:30] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Uh oh. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Jumping right over you. [22:34] **Council Member Nick Kragness:** Geez. [22:35] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** So, Council Member Kragness and myself attended the Lake Elmo Airport Advisory Committee meeting yesterday. And among the main topics, yeah, not even issues, topics, uh, the noise complaints data was presented and there are four households who provided over 1,000 complaints over the last 3 months. It is the highest level of concentration of complaints in the metro for any of our airports. It's also consistent and above and beyond that we had a pretty good conversation about ways to focus on the positives of the airport and myself and the other co-chair Luke Peterson met with school district 834 last week along with members of the EAA—which is their experimental aircraft association—and the Lake Elmo Aero, which is the teaching school, to discuss ways to get a student pathway for kids to get involved in aviation whether as a pilot, as a mechanic, air traffic controller, whatever it is, and to get them involved in it at a younger and younger age as those jobs will not be taken by AI and they are well paid. So that conversation is moving forward. Several ways were identified where the district can be incorporated into airport logistics starting this year and I remain optimistic that a pathway can be created long term. We're going to be talking with the county and probably Delta and Sun Country to try to get a funding mechanism for long-term sustainability. But I absolutely think it is a win-win for the community. It's a win for the airport. It's an asset for this community. It's a positive thing to focus on and I think it's something that we can definitely leverage for everyone's benefit especially our kids so they can pay for their parents' retirement by being a pilot on a long haul route. That would be fantastic. [24:30] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** So when is that pancake breakfast? [24:34] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** The most important—let's go straight to the food. So, the Experimental Aircraft Association holds a pancake breakfast and it is in June and Marlin said it is the second something in June. [24:46] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Oh, it's not until June. Okay. [24:48] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Yes, it's not until June, but I'll definitely I'll make sure we'll be able to give updates on that. It is a fantastic fundraiser and with that money they actually are able to send kids to a program out in Oshkosh where it's a scholarship to send kids to do camps out in Oshkosh. Oshkosh is a massive airport for various purposes and one of the things they do is they do kids' camps. It's fantastic. So that pancake breakfast—yes, it is in June. I will give an update before that. [25:15] **Council Member Matt Hirn:** Cool. [25:16] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** That is my update. Anyone else? [25:20] **Council Members:** No report. No report. [25:22] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Miss Miller? [25:23] **City Administrator Nicole Miller:** No report. [25:24] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Jason? (City Attorney). [25:25] **City Attorney:** No report. [25:26] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Anything? Chief? [25:28] **Fire Chief Dustin Kalis:** No report. [Laughter] [25:30] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** Nate? [25:31] **City Engineer Nate Stanley:** Open house tomorrow at Oakland Middle School, 4 to 6:00 p.m. for County Road 17, County Road 10 preliminary design intersection. And the county will be fully running this. But we are obviously there. [25:44] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** I'll be there. Sounds good. Counselor? [25:47] **City Attorney:** No report. [25:48] **Acting Mayor (Jeff Holtz):** And with that, at the time of 7:38, meeting is adjourned. Thank you all.