JULY 17, 2023. PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING >> Chair Downs: I NOW CALL THE JULY 17th MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS ALLOW UP TO THR MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. MOVE TO CONSENT, PLEASE. >> CONSENT AGENDA. T CONSENT AGD UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTRO ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. WE JUST WANTED TO MENTION WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON THIS PLAN THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. EXCUSE ME, AGENDA ITEM E ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA NEEDS A LITTLE CLARIFICATION SO STAFF REQUESTS THAT YOU WITHDRAW THAT ITEM TONIGHT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN A FUTURE MEETING. >> Chair Downs: VERY WELL. WE WILL HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE, TO APPROVE CONSENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM E. >> I SECOND THAT. >> Chair Downs: WHO IS MAKING THE MOTION? >> I THOUGHT YOU MADE THE MOTION. >> Chair Downs: I SAID I WOULD ACCEPT THE MOTION. THAT'S FINE. COMMISSIONER CARY HAS MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM E, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. DO WE DARE RISK THIS? MR. LISLE, WHAT IS YOUR VOTE? >> APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A VOTE OF 6-0 TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEAT NOTE THAT WE HAVE MR. LISLE, COMMISSIONER LISLE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WE ARE SHORT COMMISSIONER BRONSKY AND COMMISSIONER TONG. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSID PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUS OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO THIRTY 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIES AS DEEMED NEC ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIO LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1A. DISCUSSI ANDL IN ITS ENTIRETY ORDINANCE NO. 2 THEREBY RESCINDING THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES úA ALL AMENDMENTS THERETO; AND ADOPTING THE STREET DESIGN STAN APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MIKE BELL, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANNING MANAGER. STAFF IS REQUESTING TO TABLE ITEMS 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D TO THE AUGUST 21, 2023 MEETING. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE . >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEMS 1A -- >> CHAIRMAN? >> Chair Downs: YES, SIR, MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS PORTION OF THE MEETING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DOES HE NEED TO TURN OFF HIS CAMERA TOO? >> IT WOULD BE BEST TO LEAVE AN REJOIN.EETING ALL TOGETHER >> Chair Downs: EXCELLENT. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE TABLING? >> Olley: JUST ONE, MORE OF A CURIOSITY. THE VIDEO ON THE PLANO.COM/STREETS, WHICH I FOUND VERY INFORMATIVE, DO WE NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE OR JUST LUCK OF THE DRAW? >> OH, YES. WE HE H FACEBOOK POSTS. WE'VE HAD SOCIAL MEDIA, E-MAIL BLASTS, ALL SORTS OF COMMUNICATION DIRECTING THEM TO THAT WEBSITE. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIR. JUST ONE GENERIC QUESTION, YOU MAY BE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOWNTOWN. ARE WE GOING TO GET A BRIEFING BETWEEN NOW AND THE 21st ABOUT ANY REVISIONS OR ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY KIND OF REACTION OR COMMENTARY ON SOM OF THE CONCERNS OF THE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY? >> STAFF IS PREPARED TO PROVIDE THAT BRIEFING ON AUGUST 21st. WE COULD PROVIDE IT EARLIER, IF NEEDED. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ITEM 1A, B, C, OR D? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. JUST TO CLARIFY, CAN WE MAKE ONE MOTION TO COVER ALL FOUR OF THESE ITEMS FOR TABLING PUOSES? >> YES. >>OULD IT PLEASE THE CHAIR FOR ME TO READ EACH ONE SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON OR -- JUST DO IT AS A WHOLE? >> Chair Downs: I THINK THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. >> YES. >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. THEY'LL ALL BE BROUGHT BACK IN THE SAME WAY IN THE FUTURE. IF THEY WERE ALL GOING TO BE PULLED APART, I WOULD HAVE MORE OF A CONCERN. >> THANK YOU. >> Ratliff: I MAKE A MOTION WE POSTPONE ITEMS 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D TO THE AUGUST 21 MEETING. >> Chair Downs: TABLE? >> Ratliff: TABLE IT UNTIL THE AUGUST 21st MEETING. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO TABLE ITEMS 1A, 1B, 1C, AND 1D TO THE AUGUST 21st MEETING. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES 5-0. IS MR. LISLE GOING TO REIN? >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ITEM 2A. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2A. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2023-003 - REQUEST TO REZONE 99.0 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND PARKWOOD BOULEVARD FROM COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-COMMERCIAL ZONED COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT. PETITIONER: EDS LEGACY PARTNERS, LLC. THIS IS FOR LEGI. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS KATYA COPELAND AND I' A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT FOR MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL AND MODIFIED VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO CREATE A MIXED-USE OFFICE CAMPUS. THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH AND DEVELOPED WITH PROFESSIONAL/GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES. TO THE WEST IS ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 65 CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT 1 AND IS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED LOTS, A BANK, AND RESTAURANT USES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS THE OLD HEADQUARTERS FOR THE ELECTRONIC DATA SYSTEMS, ALSO KNOWN AS EDS. THE AERIAL SHOWS THE PRIMARY BUILDING IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY EXTENDING EAST WITH PARKING GARAGES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH SURROUNDED BY OPEN SPACE. SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE COMPANION PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. FOR THIS DISCUSSION, A COLOR HAS BEEN ASSIGNED WITH THE LAND USE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE RED COLOR IS THE HOTEL AND PARKING GARAGE. THE YELLOW IS MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL AND THE PARKING GARAGES. THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE OPEN SPACE. THE DARK GREEN IS THE PROPOSED DETENTION POND. THE BLUE IS THE PROFESSIONAL/GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, HE WILL PAD, AND PARKING. FINALLY, THE PURPLE COLOR IS THE MODERATE INTENSITY MANUFACTURING AND PARKING GARAGES. ON THE SCREEN IS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PSP THAT FRONTS LEGACY DRIVE AND PARKWOOD BOULEVARD. BOTH OF THESE STREETS ARE CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE C THOROUGHFARE ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP. NOW WE SEE THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS PARKWOOD BOULEVARD. AND NOW ON THE SCREEN IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS BROOD AND TENNYSON PARKWAY. TENNYSON IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE C THOROUGHFARE. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED EMPLOYMENT CENTER ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP . TAKEN AS A WHOLE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE EM DASHBOARD. THE EASTERN AND CENTRAL PORTIONS OF THE SITE, AS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, INCLUDE CORPORATE OFFICE CAMPUS, RESEARCH FACILITIES, AND MANUFACTURING, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE EM DASHBOARD. THE WESTERN PORTION HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN INCLUDES A HIGHER-INTENSITY MIXED-USE FORM NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EM DESCRIPTION. AS STATED, RESIDENTIAL USES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE EM CATEGORY. A HIGHER-INTENSITY MIXED-USE FORM IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER. LEGACY TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM PARKWOOD BOULEVARD TO THE WEST AND IS DESIGNATED AS UA. SHOULD THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FIND THE MIXED-USE ASPECTS APPROPRIATE IN THIS INSTANCE, DUE TO PROXIMITY OF THE LEGACY TOWN CENTER, IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO ANALYZE THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE REGARDING CONSISTENCY WITH THE UA DASHBOARD. LOOKING AT IT FROM THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PERSPECTIVE SOLELY, THE REQUEST MEETS SOME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. THIS REQUEST IS DISFAVORETO THIS REQUEST DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE EM LAND USE, HOUSING MIX, AND DENSITY RECOMMENDATIONS. RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SHOULD BE CAREFULLY DELIBERATED AND JUSTIFIED BY FINDINGS. THE APPLICANTS PROSING A MASTER PLAN WITH THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES ALONGSIDE NEW AND EXISTING BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENT FEATURES. THE REQUEST PROVIDES PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED STANDARDS, LANDSCAPING AMENITIES, AND PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. AS NOTED IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS, THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTING TO MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC CENTERPIECE OFFICE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IN THE PD STIPULATIONS A MAXIMUM OF 775 UNITS IN THREE BUILDINGS SITUATED WITHIN 250 FEET OF PARKWOOD BOULEVARD . THE BUILDINGS WILL ENCOMPASS A MIX OF EFFICIENCIES ONE, TWO, AND THREE-BEDROOM UNITS WITH 50% REQUIRING A TRUE BALCONY OR PATIO WITH STRUCTURED PARKING ON THE FIRST FEW FLOORS. A REDUCED BUILDING SETBACK IS SHOWN AS A PART OF THE LANGUAGE. THE PD LANGUAGE SPESFIES THAT ALONG PARKWOOD BOULEVARD, BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWS A SETBACK OF 30 FEET. ANY PORTIONS OF BUILDING HIGHER THAN 50 FEET WILL REQUE AT FRONT YARD SETBACK . THIS REDUCED SETBACK WILL CREATE A DIFFERENT AESTHETIC OTHER THAN PROPERTIES WITHIN THE LEGACY BUSINESS PARK WHICH MAINTAIN A 50-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK. THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY SHOWN AS SEVEN STORIES, MUCH LARGER THAN THE BUILDINGS TO THE WEST ACROSS PARKWOOD BOULEVARD WHICH ARE TWO TO FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT. THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN SHOWS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL TEN FEET. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS INCREASING THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO 40 FEET. THE PSP SHOWS ALMOST 800,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DEDICATED TO MODERATE INTENSITY MANUFACTURING. THIS TYPE OF USE CAN BE IMPACTFUL TO RESIDENTS AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT THIS USE WITHIN 700 FEET OF PARKWOOD. ADDING A PD STANDARD ALLOWS THE EXISTING HELIPORT AND HELISTOP NOTING THEY MUST BE A MINIMUM OF 1,000 FEET AWAY FROM THESE BUILDINGS . STAFF IS SUPPORTIVEF TSE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS. THE PHASING STIPULATIONS ARE ON THE SCREEN AND WILL ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN ADDITION TO OPEN SPACE BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL DEVELOPMENT. STAFF SUPPORTS THE PHASING STANDARDS AND BELIEVES THEY ARE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING A LARGE NON-RESIDENTIAL PRESENCE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AN OPEN SPACE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS REQUEST. A TOTAL OF 9.5 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS TO ENJOY WHEN COMPLETED. THIS DEDICATION CONSTITUTES 10.4% OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED WITHIN THE PHASING SECTION OF THE PD STIPULATIONS, SEVEN ACRES MUST BE OPEN FOR USE BEFORE ANY MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. 9.5 ACRES IS A LARGE COMMITMENT. HOWEVER, STAFF BELIEVES THERE IS ALSO A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AS THE T ACRES OF LAND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN ARE NOT BEING COUNTED FOR IN THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN. THE ZONING REQUEST INCLUDES A LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, REDUCED SETBACKS, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT ALLOWANCES. THIS OPEN SPACE PLAN SHOWS THE AREA AS OPEN SPACE. IT'S JUST NOT BEING COUNTED FOR. THIS PORTION WOULD INCREASE THE OPEN SPACE TOTAL TO 11.5 ACRES. IF THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REMAINING AREA BE REQUIRED IN THE OPEN SPACE. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE ADDITIONAL PD STIPULATIONS IDENTIFYING SCREENING, HEIGHT, DESIGN DETAILS OF THE PARKING GARAGES. A QUASI PUBLIC STREET IS PROPOSED WITH PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED ELEMENTS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING DECORATIVE METAL PANELS TO CREATE A UNIQUE AESTHETIC FOR SCREENING METHODS FOCUSED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. BUILDING MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS AS NOTED IN ARTICLE 23 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ON THE SCREEN IN THE FOLLOWING SIX PAGES ARE ALL OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS FOR THIS CASE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS, AS MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN EARLIER SLIDES. BUT I WILL SHOW THEM ALL ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS THE FIRST STIPULATION. SECOND AND THIRD STIPULATION. REMAINING OF THE THIRD STIPULATION. FOURTH STIPULATION. FIFTH AND SIXTH. AND THE FINAL SLIDE. WE RECEIVED TWO UNIQUE RESPONSES WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER. ONE IN SUPPORT AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND WE RECEIVED 37 UNIQUE RESPONSES, TWO IN SUPPORT, ONE NEUTRAL, AND 34 IN OPPOSITION. WE RECEIVED THREE DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND ONE RESPONSE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A TOTAL OF 40 RESPONSES. TO SUMMARIZE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO ALLOW MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND MODIFY VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO CREATE A MIXED-USE OFFICE CAMPUS. THIS REQUEST IS DISFAVORED BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL LACKS CONFORMITY WITH KEY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ALIGN THE ZONING LANGUAGE MORE FULLY WITH THE ASSOCIATED PSP REGARDING OPEN SPACE AND SETBACKS. ALTHOUGH THIS REQUEST IS DISFAVORED, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDS CONSIDERATION OF THE TWO REMAINING ISSUES AND HOW THEY COULD BENEFIT FUTURE RESIDENTS VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, NOTING THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE FRONT END OF THIS? MR. BROUNOFF? >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IN READING THE MATERIALS, I SAW A REFERENCE TO AN INTENT TO BUI A CANCE HOSTALN THIS SITE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BUT WE DO HAVE THE MODERATE INTENSITY MANUFACTURING ALONG WITH OFFICE DEVELOPMENT AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT BUILDINGS PROPOSED ON THE PSP. >> Brounoff: I'M WONDERING WHERE THE HOSPITAL WOULD GO. WHICH BUILDING IS THE HOSPITAL BUILDING. >> WE DON'T HAVE A HOSPITAL SHOWN ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. THAT MAY BE A PART OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS CURRENT PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THEM. >> Brounoff: WOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, IF THEY DECIDE TO BUILD A HOSPITAL? >> WE CAN CONFIRM A HOSPITAL IS ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE TO CHECK THAT OUT. >> Brounoff: NEXT QUESTION. WHEREIN IS THE NEED FOR A HELIPAD OR HELISTOP? >> THE HELISTOP IS EXISTING AND IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. >> Brounoff: I MEAN, IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING SOME USE THAT REQUIRES HELICOPTERS? >> THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON HOW OFTEN THEY Y USE HELICOPTERS AND HELISTOPS. CURRENTLY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WE DO NOT ALLOW HELIPADS AND HELISTOPS WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF A LOT THAT CONTAINS RESIDENTIAL. WITH THIS REQUEST AS ONE LARGE LOT, THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE SAME PROPERTY AS A HELIPAD. HOWEVER, THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT ADDED THAT STIPULATION TO NOTE IT MUST BE AT LEAST 1,000 FEET AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE PROPERTY. BUT IT'S STILL ON THE SAME LOT SO WE NEEDED TO ADD THAT STIPULATION IN ORDER FOR THE PLICANT TO KEEP THE HELIPAD. >> Brounoff: SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS AN EXISTING HELIPAD NOW? >> THERE IS. >> Brounoff: AND, FINALLY, YOU ARE SUGGESTING THE AVAILABILITY OF ANOTHER 10 FEET OF SETBACK OFF OF PARKWOOD. WHERE WOULD THAT TEN FEET COME FROM? WHAT ADJUSTMENT WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE TO THEIR SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO GENERATE THOSE EXTRA TEN FEET? >> ON THE SITE PLAN THERE IS SOME AVAILABILITY THAT THEY COULD INCREASE THAT SETBACK. BUT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE CHANGES THAT WOULD B NECESSARY TO BE NOTED ON THE PSP. >> Brounoff: I MEAN, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO, LET'S SAY GIVE UP IN TERMS OF SPACE IN ORDER TO REDEDICATE SPACE TO AN ADDITIONAL TEN FEET OF SETBACK? >> SO THE BUILDING IS ALMOST AT THAT SETBACK RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A FEW FEET OFF. THERE'S ONE SETBACK THAT I THINK WE HAVE IT IN THE REPORT BETWEEN 35, 30, 35 FEET. AND THE REST ARE CLOSER TO 40 FEET. SO THEY MAY HAVE TO SLIDE THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST BUT THERE IS ROOM EAST OF THE BUILDING TO MOVE IT THAT DIREION. >> Brounoff: WITHOUT COMPROMISING -- [MULTIPLE VOICES] OR THE TREES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PLANT THERE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I DO WANT TO MENTION HOSPITAL IS AN ALLOWED USE IN THE COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. THERE'S SOMETHING REFERENCED IN HERE ABOUT CHALLENGES WITH WASTEWATER AND I WONDER IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE CHALLENGES AND WHAT PLANO MIGHT HAVE TO THIS MOVES FORWARD. >> I'D HAVE TO GACK TO YOU ON THAT. LET ME READ THE STAFF REPORT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU. >> Cary: OKAY. >> I THINK I CAN. THERE'S NOT REFINED INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO STUDY THE WASTEWATER SITUATION AND IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED, THAT WOULD BE WHEN THAT DISCUSSION WOULD BE HAD. SO WE DON'T HAVE A STUDY RIGHT NOW THAT SHOWS THE EXACT WASTEWATER INFORMATION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU AT THIS TIME. >> Cary: HOW MUCH RISK MIGHT THAT PRESENT? KNOWING WE ALREADY HAVE SOME WASTEWATER CHALLENGES WITHIN PLANO. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT SOMETIMES ALREADY WITH THIS COMMISSION. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON HOW SIGNIFICANT THOSE CHALLENGES MIGHT BE? >> I THINK IT'S SITE SPECIFIC. THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER IS AVAILABLE THIS EVENING SO SHE MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I THINK I'M READING IN YOUR REPORT -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IN ADDITION TO THE PD RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH -- AND THEY'RE IN THE úR. YOU'RE SAYING THAT TWO ADDITIONAL, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CHANGE FROM A 30/50 SETBACK TO STRAIGHT 40 AND ALSO THE ADDITIONAL PARKLAND. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MISSED IN THERE THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE PD LANGUAGE? >> THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. >> Ratliff: OKAY. TALK ME THROUGH THE 30 THEN 50-FOOT SETBACK VERSUS JUST A I UNDERSTANTHAT T STREET LEVEL, THE EXTRA TEN FEET. BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE 50-FOOT ABOVE 50 FEET WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, I THINK WAS THE WORD YOU USED, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. IF WE DID STRAIGHT 40 COULD IT BE A FLAT-FACE BUILDING OR WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES THERE? >> JUST TO CLARIFY. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A STRAIGHT 40-FOOT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A STAGGERED SETBACK STARTING AT 30, AND THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN 30 A 50 FEET.T AND THEN A TRADITIONAL 50-FOOT SETBACK. WE'RE SAYING THAT 30-FOOT SHOULD BE 40. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT WASN'T THE WAY I WAS HEARING IT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST A QUESTION ON -- IT'S CLASSED WITH RGM-1. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT, JUST TO WRAP M HEAD AROUND WHAT A, IF ANY, MITIGATION FACTORS COULD BE PROPOSED TO THE APPLICANT. >> SURE. MR. BELL CAN DISCUSS THE COMP PLAN. >> IT SPEAKS TO REQUESTS THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH MIX OF USES OR HEIGHT. IT'S CLEAR THAT RESIDENTIAL USES ARE NOT SUPPORTED. THE MIX OF USES ALLOWS ZERO RESIDENTIAL. ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPOSED ON THIS SITE WOULD B DISFAVORED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REQUIRE FINDINGS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER LISLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> Lisle: I DO. I'VE JUST GOT A QUESTION FOR ERIC. IF THE ZONING THAT WAS TO THE EAST THAT I BELIEVE STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKWOOD WAS CONTINUED -- I'M SORRY. THE ZONING TO THE WEST THAT STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKWOOD WAS CONTINUED TO THE EAST IO THE SIT WOULD THE MULTIFAMILY BUILD OUT AT THAT POINT OR WOULD THE COMP PLAN ALLOW IT, I SHOULD SAY? >> WELL, SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THE ZONING TO THE WEST IS FOR THE SHOPS AT LEGACY. IT DOES ALLOW MULTIFAMILY USES. SO IF THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED WITH THE SAME ZONING AS THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE COMP PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THAT IS DIFFERENT ON THE SHOPS OF LEGACY PROPERTY THAN ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THE ZONING AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SO ONE IS A ZONING DISTRICT AND THE OTHER IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISTRICT, IF YOU WILL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I ANSWERING THAT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? >> Lisle: IT DOES. KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A VIABLE OPTION BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND POTENTIALLY UPDATE THE COMP PLAN IF -- MY HEART IS TO NOT ALWAYS GO AGAINST THE COMP PLAN. I WANT TO GIVE IT PROPER RESPECT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S COMING UP ON TWO YEARS OLD AND I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE LOOKED AT VERSUS MAKING FINDINGS AGAINST IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MR. LISLE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OTHER QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT? OKAY. SO I'M NOT HEARING ANY ADDITIONAL. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, YES. >> Ratliff: SORRY. THANK YOU. I HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT. SO KIND OF ON THE SAME AS COMMISSIONER LISLE'S THINKING. ONE OF YOUR SLIDES HAD THE BLUE AND THE YELLOW -- THE SAME ONE THAT'S IN THE REPORT. YOU CAN PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN. YEP. KEEP GOING. THERE. THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. >> I THINK ONE MORE. >> Ratliff: THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION -- I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTION IS FOR, BUT IF THE FRONTAGE OF THIS TRACT, THE FIRST 100 FEET OR WHATEVER THAT IS, HAD BEEN SHOWN IN THE COMP PLAN AS UA, WOULD WE EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, I GUESS WOULD BE MY QUESTION. >> MR. BELL? >> YES. SO IF THAT WERE UA IT WOULD MEET MANY OF THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UA. EXCEPT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT STILL WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH THE HOUSING MIX, WHICH IS PART OF THE MIX OF USES. BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON UNIT COUNT, NOT ACREAGE. IT IS ALREADY ABOVE THE PERCENTAGE, THAT UA IS ALREADY ABOVE THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY TYPES THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THE UA CATEGORY. SO EVEN IF THIS LAND AREA WAS INCLUDED THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE AND it would still require findings to approve in that CASE. >> Ratliff: I WASN'T FOLLOWING THE REPORT. THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I HAVE A QUICK ONE. JUST SO THAT -- AND I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL TALK TO THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, MODERATE INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL. WHAT KIND OF RANGE DOES THAT COVER? I MEAN, WILL THERE BE -- I MEAN, I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PROPOSE BUT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW I THINK A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, LIKE WE HAVE OVER IN THE RT DISTRICT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE'RE DROPPING -- IF YOU USE THE WORD "INDUSTRIAL" IN THIS AREA, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, AND OTHERS MAY AS WELL BE, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT ARE WE DOING OVER HERE? IF IT'S PUTTING TOGETHER CIRCUIT BOARDS IS ONE THING. >> WE HAVE THREE CATEGORIES OF MANUFACTURING. LIGHT, MODERATE, AND HEAVY. LIGHT HAS VERY LIMITED FABRICATION LIMITED REFINEMENT OF MATERIALS. MODERATE REFINEMENT, MODERATE PRODUCTION OF MATERIALS, AND THEN HEAVY IS WHAT YOU THINK OF AS SERIOUS MANUFACTURING. SOHE ZONING ORDINANCE IS A LITTLE BIT -- IT ALLOWS SOME INTERPRETATION IN THOSE USES. WE DID TALK WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THEIR OPERATIONS AND AS WE DISCUSSED IT, WE DETERMINED IT FALLS UNDER THE MODERATE CATEGORY, WHICH MAY CREATE SOME IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH IS WHY IN THIS CASE WE WORKED WITH THEM AND THEY'RE RESTRICTING THE LOCATION OF THAT USE CLOSER TO THE EAST SIDE, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR OPERATIONS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIX THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON SITEITH, YOU KNOW, ALSO OFFICE, OTHER COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND WITH THE STANDARDS THEY'RE PROPOSING, WE DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN EFFECTIVE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE INCLUSION OF RESIDENTIAL. >> Chair Downs: THAT LEADS ME TO MY POINT, WHICH IS THE INDICATION IS THE MODERATE INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL WOULD BE AT LEAST 700 FEET FROM PARKWOOD. WE HAVE A FLY OR SOMETHING IN HERE. FROM PARKWOOD. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: BUT THE RESIDENTIAL IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF PARKWOOD. SO IS IT GOING TO BE 700 FEET FROM PARKWOOD OR 700 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL? IF IT'S 700 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT DOES OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRE THE DISTANCE TO BE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND THE MODERN INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL. >> IT WILL BE 700 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE RESIDENTIAL NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN 250 FEET OF PARKWOOD BOULEVARD. SO THERE WILL BE A SEPARATION. >> YEAH. THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFICATION BETWEEN THESE TWO LAND USES. SO WE APPLIED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE DIMENSION WITH THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND SITE DESIGN. SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A 450-FOOT DIMENSION, IS THAT CORRECT KATYA? SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. >> YES. >> TYPICALLY WHEN THE CITY HAS USES THAT MAY BE IMPACTFUL TO RESIDENTS, AROUND 300 TO 500 FEET IS A NORMAL DISTANCE THAT WE APPLY. >> Chair Downs: THAT HELPS ME GET A SENSE OF WHAT DO WE TYPICALLY DO. OF COURSE, WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE DESIGNING THIS OR IF IT'S APPROVED, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF OPERATION GOING ON BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT PERSON COMING IN, WHAT THAT SAME ALLOWANCE WOULD DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING SOME GAP THERE BETWEEN THAT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, COMMISSIONER CARY. SORRY. >> Cary: YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION I THINK WISELY, FREQUENTLY LOOKS AT NOISE AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEXTURE ON WHAT THESE GUYS ACTUALLYO ANDHAT RISKS? YOU'VE TALKED TO THEM. I GUESS SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO CHAIR? >> YEAH, WE HAVE. I THINK IF I WERE TO SPEAK TO THEIR OPERATIONS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY SHAKE THEIR HEADS AND WAIT UNTIL THEY STOOD UP AND TALK ABOUT IT. WE DID TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THEIR OPERATIONS WOULD HAVE IF RESIDENTIAL WERE ON THIS PROPERTY AND WE DID FEEL THAT SOME SEPARATION WAS NEEDED BUT THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITHIN NEARBY RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION. >> CHAIR,I SHOULD HAVE ANNOUNCED THE ACCOMPANYING PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH THIS. >> Chair Downs: GO AHEAD AND DO THAT WHILE THEY'RE COMING UP. >> THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE CLAIRE HEMPHILL, JEREMY, AND FRANK COME DOWN. AGENDA ITEM 2B THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS ZONING CASE IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN: EDS HEADQUARTERS, BLOCK A, LOT 1 - 775 MIDRISE RESIDENTIAL UNITS PROFESSIONAL/ GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, MODERATE MANUFACTURING, AND HOTEL ON ONE LOT ON 91.0 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND PARKWOOD BOULEVARD. ZONED COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT. APPLICANT: EDS LEGACY PARTNERS, THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> HELLO, EVERYONE . MY NAME IS FRANK AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF NEXT POINT DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. MORE THAN THAT, I'M A 42-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO AND WAS ACTUALLY LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE INVOLVED WHEN THE EDS WAS ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED. I SPENT A LONG TIME WITH THE PEROT FAMILY WORKING ON AN ASSORTMENT OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE DID. BUT I HAVE BEEN IN PLANO FOR A LONG TIME AND VERY PROUD TO BE A RESIDENT HERE. BOTTOM LINE TO THIS FACILITY IS IT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR TOO LONG. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT. I PROBABLY DRIVE BY THREE TIMES A WEEK AS I'M GOING TO LEGACY, EAST OR WEST. I LIVE IN WILLOW BEND. AND I HAD THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN TO NEXT POINT, WHICH IS A $17 BILLION UNDER MANAGEMENT COMPANY, FINANCIAL ADVISER THAT HAS A BIG REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO. I HAVE KNOWN THE CHAIRMAN FOR A LONG TIME. I WAS BASICALLY -- I WOULDN'T SAY SEMI-RETIRED BUT I WAS WORKING OUT OF MY HOME AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH THROUGH THE YEARS TO BE INVOLVED IN ALLIANCE AIRPORT, AMERICAN AIRLINE CENTER, A LOT OF BIG DEVELOPMENTS. HE CALLED ME AND SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PUTTING A LIFE SCIENCE CENTER? I STUDIED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIFE SCIENCE AND I SAID, DOES THE BUILDING WORK? IS THAT POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT THIS '80s BUILDING? I WAS A YOUNG BUSINESSMAN WHEN ROSS PEROT WAS HOLDING COURT IN THE MID TO LATE '80s AS THEY WERE BUILDING THIS FACILITY AND DESIGNING IT. I SAID DOES THE BUILDING ACTUALLY WORK? WELL, WE'VE HIRED THE T ENNEERING COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY FOR LIFE SCIENCE CRB AND THEY'LL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT PROBABLY IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL I'VE EVER SEEN. RAY PERRYMAN, WHO IS THE FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SAYS IT'S THE BIGGEST HE'S EVER SEEN. AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE JOBS AND THE TAX BASE AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A HUB HERE THAT WOULD BE A GATEWAY FROM THE EAST COAST TO THE WEST COAST. BOSTON HAS 40 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIFE SCIENCE. SAN DIEGO HAS 30 MILLION. I THINK IN NORTH TEXAS WE SHOULD HAVE 10, 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIFE SCIENCE BECAUSE IT'S A HUGELY-EMERGING BUSINESS. THEY'RE REALLY CURING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE RESEARCH AND ALL THE EVENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING INSIDE THESE FACILITIES. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MICHAEL, WE OWN ANOTHER 110 ACRES THAT IS NOT ON THE DOCKETONIG THA W BOUGHT THAT WELAN ON PUTTING THE RESEARCH HOSPITAL IN. SO WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BUT THIS WILL ENCOMPASS ALL THE WAY FROM THE INCUBATOR CAPABILITIES WHERE THESE YOUNG SCIENTISTS ARE DOING ALL THE HARD WORK, ALL THE WAY TO THE GRADUATION SPACE, THE R AND D SPACE AND THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION FACILITIES, THAT'S REALLY THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION. THE MAKING OF DRUGS. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A HUGE PUSH IN THE UNITED STATES TOEEP THIS MANUFACTURING ON SHORE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 2.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF IT IN THE TOTAL PROJECT. ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THE 91, WE HAVE 800,000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S THE MAKING OF THE DRUGS. IT'S ABOUT AS CLEAN AS A HOSPITAL. THERE'S GIGANTIC AIR HANDLERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ON WITH THAT BUT THIS IS A BUSINESS IN PLANO THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE IN AND DROPPING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF TS ECOZONE, WE LOOK AT LEGACY AS BEING OUR PARTNER. I WOULD LIKE TO NEVER BUILD ANOTHER APARTMENT BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THESE NUMBERS OF COMPANIES AND PEOPLE THAT COME IN. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MULTIFAMILY, IF WE GET APPROVED, UNTIL THE THIRD PHASE. WE HAVE SPENT, AT THAT POINT, OVER $2 BILLION AND WE HAVE A GIGANTIC UP AND RUNNING PROGRAM AT THAT POINT. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HOUSE THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY COMMUNAL BUSINESS THAT WE'RE REALLY GETTING INVOLVED WITH. SO I'M GOING TO BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO JEREMY FRANKLIN, THE CRB REPRESENTATIVE. HE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT EVERYTHING. WE WANT TO SWITCH THIS -- WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A -- I GO RIGHT HERE? I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS. RIGHT HERE? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A LETTER THAT WE WROTE THAT I SIGNED THAT BASICALLY I HOPE ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING. WE HAVE ASKED THE PLANNING AND ZONING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE BEEN THE MAIN CONCERNS. SO THIS IS A LETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS INTO THE RECORD. I KNOW THESE GUYS HAVE SEEN THAT. ON EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE. I SIGNED IT AND WE ADDRESSED IT. BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. SO I THINK THE LETTER IS IMPORTANT. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU SEE THE FIVE MAIN BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE. THEY'RE IN WHITE. AND THE GOD POD SITS IN THE MIDDLE. THE SOUTHERNMOST PIECE -- JEREMY WILL COVER THIS. THE SOUTHERNMOST BUILDING AND THE MANUFACTURING, THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION FACILITY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE ARE GOING TO BE IN PHASE 1. WE'RE THEN GOING TO BUILD PHASE 2. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GOD POD AND BUILD OUT THAT BUILDING ALONG WITH OTHER TRAPEUTIC PRODUCTION FACILITY. IT WILL NOT BE UNTIL PHASE 3 AND, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT $2 BILLION HAS BEEN SPENT, THAT WE THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THESE APARTMENTS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A VERY HIGH-END USE FOR US, GIVEN WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR LAND RIGHT NOW, TO PUT APARTMENTS IN. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD APARTMENTS BUT WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO COME BY VIRTUE OF THIS FACILITY. THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT IN PHASE 3. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR SITE PLAN. I'LL GO BACK. THIS IS A GREAT SHOT. IF YOU GUYS GO OUT TO THE FACILITY NOW, EVERYONE KNOWS YOU KIND OF DRIVE UNDERNEATH AND YOU GO FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ENCASE THAT WHOLE AREA AND MAKE THAT THE HUGE MARKET HALL. AGAIN, I CAN'T OVER EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS SUCH A COMMUNAL BUSINESS, THE LIFE SCIENCE BUSINESS. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE CONGREGATED TOGETHER. THAT'S HOW ALL THESE GREAT THERAPIES AND ALL THESE GREAT THINGS OCCUR. SO WE'RE CLOSING THAT OFF -- AND WE'RE DOING IT SOMEWHAT ALSO FOR SECURITY REASONS. AND THAT WILL BE THE GREAT HALL. AND OUTSIDE ON THE WEST SIDE WE'RE BUILDING THE PARK THAT CLAIRE IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WITH ALL OF THE OUTDOOR FUNCTIONS OF THIS KIND OF FACING PARKWOOD. IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PARK. IT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC FOR THE WORKFORCE AND IT REALLY IS GOING TO CREATE A GREAT DYNAMIC. ON THE BACK SIDE IS GOING TO BE REALLY WHERE THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION OCCURS AN IT'S GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE SECURITY IN TERMS OF ACCESS IN AND OUT. THIS IS GOING TO BECOME VERY PUBLIC. HERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF SHOT. IF YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THAT GLASS TO THE OTHER SIDE. WE'RE GOING TO ENCASE THAT AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT. AND THEN HERE'S A BIT OF AN INTERACTIVE, WHICH WILL KIND OF GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR THAT GRAND HALL, WHICH IS REALLY GOING TO BE A CENTERPIECE, REALLY, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS HERE ARE ENORMOUS. FIRST PHASE IS 7800 AND BY THE TIME YOU GET DONE WITH THE FOURTH PHASE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 30,000 NEW JOBS. AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR ALL THAT. THIS PARK IS GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE AMENITY PACKAGE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK HERE IN ORDER TO GO TO THE PARK. AND CLAE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. SO I'LL BE BACK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT OBVIOUSLY. AS A PLANO RESIDENT, I'M BEYOND EXCITED ABOUT -- I DON'T WANT TO PICK UP THE PAPER ANYMORE AND READ ABOUT WHAT FRISCO'S DOING. SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HAPPY IF WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT AND GET THIS PROJECT MOVING. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET ME BRING JEREMY UP. >> JEREMY FRANKLIN. >> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS. >> JEREMY FRANKLIN, ARCHITECT WITH CRB GROUP. I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE PHASING, WHICH FRANK HIT ON SOME ALREADY. I'LL GO PRETTY QUICKLY. PHASE 1 IS RENOVATION OF THE SOUTHERN TWO MAIN BUILDINGS. WE CALL THEM H 1 AND H 2, ALONG WITH MODIFICATIONS OF THE SOUTH PARKING GARAGE . WE'RE DEMOLISHING A PORTION AT EAST SO WE HAVE SPACE FOR THE SOUTHEAST THERAPEUTIC MANUFACTURING BUILDING. WE'RE FOCUSING ON GETTING THE SCIENCE SPACES ACTATED FIRST IN ORDER TO BRING PEOPLE BACK TO THE CAMPUS AND GET A LOT OF ACTIVITY STARTED, ALONG WITH THE PARK SPACE BEING CRITICAL TO THIS FIRST PHASE AS WELL. AND WITH PHASE 2 WE'RE EXTENDING THOSE SCIENCE NEEDS UP TO THE NORTHEAST. SO RENOVATING THE H3, WHICH IS THE NORTH OF THE THREE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS. ALONG WITH THE NORTHEAST MANUFACTURING BUILDING AND A NEW PARKING DECK ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THE THIRD PHASE IS BUILDING OUT THAT MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ALONG WITH THE HOTEL. SO WE'RE INTENDING THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO BE HIGH-END MID-RISE. THE PLAN IS FOR THEM TO BE FIVE RESIDENTIAL FLOORS OVER TWO LEVELS OF PARKING. AND THE HOTEL, BOTH OF THESE FUNCTIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKING THIS CAMPUS SUCCEED. THE HOTEL IS GOING TO BE GREAT FOR CONFERENCES, PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THIS CAMPUS, AND A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WILL BE EMPLOYEES ON THE CAMPUS. SCIENTISTS WORK DIFFERENT HOURS THAN A LOT OF US DO. 24 HOURS A DAY THEY HAVE RESEARCH PROJECTS GOING ON. THEY CAN RUN BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THEIR APARTMENT AND THEIR LAB SOAVING THIS FULL ECOSYSTEM ALLOWS US TO LIVE -- IT'S LIKE A LIVE, WORK CAMPUS. SO HAVING ALL THESE TOGETHER IS WHAT MAKES IT SUCCESSFUL FOR THE LONG TERM. >> MY NAME IS CLAIRE HEMPHILL WITH DESIGN WORKSHOP. WE'RE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ON THE PROJECT. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE, IN PARTICULAR THE OPEN SPACE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF YOU FOCUS BETWEEN WHERE THE MULTIFAMILIES ARE ON PARKWOOD IN BETWEEN THE TRQ BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE OUR FOCUHAS BEEN. AND A KEY TO THIS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS PARK SPACE IS GOING TO FEEL -- IT'S OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT IT CONNECTS TO THE TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS THAT GO OFF SITE INTO LEGACY TOWN CENTER, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS OPEN SPACE FEEL LIKE -- FEELS LIKE IT'S FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IT FEELS WELCOMING. SO THAT INCLUDES THE BEAUTIFUL OPEN LAWNS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. LOTS OF WALKING TRAILS, VARYING WIDTHS 7 FEET. WE'RE ACCOMMODATING SOME OF THE NEW SPACES AND IT WILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF INSTANT SHADE ON DAY ONE . YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL LAWN SPACE. THAT WOULD BE USED FOR PICKUP GAMES OF FLAG FOOTBALL, SOCCER, WHATEVER ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS MAY HAPPEN, BOTH AFFILIATED WITH THE BUILDING OR OTHERWISE. AND THE PATHWAYS ARE REALLY CONNECTING ALL OF THESE SPACES THROUGHOUT. AND SO THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ADJECTIVE FOR THE OPEN SPACE HERE IS CONNECTIVITY. AND THE SPACE THAT FRANK SHOWED EARLIER, THE VERY BEAUTIFUL HARD SCAPE PLAZA WILL HAVE TWO INTERACTIVE WATER FEATURES. ONE OF THE ONES YOU CAN PLAY IN, WHICH YOU CAN IMAGINE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO GO TO. THE OTHER IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL STATEMENT PIECE AS YOU'RE COMING INTO -- AND KIND OF WAYFINDING TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING. SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK OVER TO FRANK. I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> SIR, YOU HAVE A MINUTE, 30 SECONDS. >> JUST IN CLOSING, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAVE. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR SO LONG HERE AND I JUST THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT FOR PLANO. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED. THEY WANT TO BUILD A BIG CENTER HERE OF EXCELLENCE FOR THEIR BIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY AND ALL THE OTHER PIECES. COLLIN COLGE IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH US AND WE'RE TALKING WITH THEM PRETTY MUCH ON A REGULAR BASIS. I CAN JUST CLOSE WITH THIS, THAT THE USER COMMUNITY THAT'S OUT THERE REALLY SEES THIS AS A GATEWAY BETWEEN BOSTON AND SAN DIEGO. WE HAVE A GREAT CHANCE HERE, YOU KNOW, IN NORTH TEXAS. WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THE END. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, DO WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANYOU RY MH. WELL, IN THAT CASE THEN I SEE COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? >> Ratliff: YES. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SIR. >> Ratliff: THANKS. GREAT PRESENTATION. WELL-THOUGHT-OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT SO I APPRECIATE THE DEPTH OF THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU'VE HEARD THE STAFF REPORT. THERE'S TWO -- OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL HAVE BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS ON ALL THE PD LANGUAGE. I PRESUME THAT Y'ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL T PD LANGUAGE? >> YES. >> Ratliff: AND THE TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. THE 40-FOOT VERSUS 30-FOOT SETBACK. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO Y'ALL AT THIS POINT? >> GOOD EVENING. I AM WITH KIMLEY-HORN. THE ONLY CHALLENGE WE SEE WITH THAT IS WITHOUT AFFECTING THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, WE HAVE 20 FEET BETWEEN OUR BUILDING AND OUR LIMITS OF SIDALK ONG THE QUASI PUBLIC STREET. WE WOULD REQUEST TO KEEP THAT SPACE TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND DRY UTILITIES. I KNOW IT IS A VERY SPECIFIC REQUEST BUT ON OTHER MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE DONE, OFTENTIMES WE FIND THAT IT'S HARD TO FIT IN GAS AND UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC AND TELECOM SO WE WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE THAT SPACE FOR THE DESIGN. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, THE REASON WHY THERE IS A 30 TO 40-FOOT DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE IS -- THE PROPERTY LINE BASICALLY DOES LIKE AN L-SHAPE. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE REALLY SITTING AT 40 FEET BUT WHERE WE HAVE THAT TIGHTER SPACE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE GOES TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT BY 10 FEET, THAT'S WHERE WE HIT THAT 30 FEET. HERE FOR MORE ANSWERS. >> Ratliff: I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, BUT APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. THE SECOND PART THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED -- ALL YOUR SITE PLANS AND ALL YOUR PARK PLANNING AND EVERYTHING ELSE Y'ALL ARE SHOWING ALL THE SAME GREEN SPACE THT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING BE DEDICATED AS PARKLAND. IS THERE A REASON Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP IT PRIVATE? DO YOU HAVE FUTURE PLANS FOR IT? WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT? >> IS THAT THE YELLOW PIECE THAT WE HAD? >> Ratliff: RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE'RE BUILDING A PRETTY BIG PARK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS. THIS IS A SEVEN-YEAR PROGRAM. IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN IN FOUR PHASES AND EACH PHASE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS OF SPEND. AND I JUST THINK FROM A LOT OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IT'S WISE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT ALIVE FOR A DAYCARE CENTER OR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD POP UP THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT ULTIMATELY WE MAY NEED. AND SO OUR POSITION IS WE THINK THE PARK IS ADEQUATE RIGHT NOW AND IF WE LEAVE THAT IN KIND OF A GRAY ZONE TO BE DEALT WITH LATER, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY WITH THAT. BUT DESIGNATING IT TONIGHT AS WOULD BE THE SMARTEST THINGHAT- THAT WE COULD ALL DO. I THINK THERE MAY BE A USE FOR THAT THAT, OF COURSE, THE CITY WOULD APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE. BUT WE THINK THE PARK IS REALLY ADEQUATE FROM AN OPEN SPACE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THERE SO THAT'S JUST OUR POSITION. >> Ratliff: OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT LAST QUESTION. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL TWO ACRES IN THE INTERIM BEFORE YOU REALIZE THERE'S A NEED FOR DAYCARE CENTER OR WHATEVER . >> I THINK IT REALLY IS BUILT IN FOR FLEXIBILITY. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, THE PARK, CLAIRE, IS HOW BIG? 9.5 ACRES. WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIZE PARK AND WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. AS YOU GO TO PARKWOOD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY GOING TO LOOK GREAT. WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE WATER FEATURES. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS GIGANTIC PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS PLAYGROUND FOR KIDS. IT'S OPEN COMPLETELY TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK OUR POSITION, SIR, WE THINK 9.5 ACRES AT THIS POINT IS A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE FOR RIGHT NOW. >> Brounoff: I APPRECIATE THAT BUT MY QUESTION IS IN THE INTERIM WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THOSE TWO ACRES? ARE THEY JUST GOING TO BE A MOUND AND BARE DIRT? >> WE'LL PUT SOME GRASS THERE UNTIL WE DECIDE, COME BACK TO THE CITY, TAKE A LOOK AT PHASE 1 OF WHERE WE MIGHT BE THERE. THAT WAS OUR PLAN. >> Brounoff: OKAY. YOU COULD COME BACK TO THE CITY WHEN YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. >> WE HAVE TO COME BACK. >> Brounoff: GET APPROVAL AT THAT TIME. >> YES. >> Brounoff: AND IT COULD BE EN SPACEN THE INTERIM. >> IT COULD END UP OPEN SPACE, YES SIR. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: HERE'S A QUESTION TO THE CITY. CAN WE PUT IN A STIPULATION IN EITHER THE PD LANGUAGE TO -- FORCE IS A STRONG WORD, BUT TO FORCE THOSE TWO ACRES BE NOT USED FOR SOMETHING LIKE ADDITIONAL THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION BUILDINGS -- I'M MAKING STUFF UP. DESIGN-WISE I KNOW IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GET THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL BUT COULD WE FORCE A STIPULATION THAT THE -- THOSE TWO ACRES COULD NOT BE USED FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE RESIDENTIAL, FOR INSTANCE? >> SO THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS IN THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. RESIDENTIAL HAS TO BE WITHIN 250 FEET OF PARKWOOD. SO I BELIEVE THAT DOES NOT BLEED INTO THE AREA CURRENTLY. THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION, AGAIN, THE MANUFACTURING IS RESTRICTED. IT HAS TO BE 700 FEET AWAY FROM PARKWOOD. SO IT DOES LIMIT THE USE CURRENTLY IN THAT AREA. IT WOULD BE ANOTHER USE, ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD CHOOSE, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT. BUT IT COULD NOT BE MANUFACTURING AND IT COULD NOT BE HOUSING. . >> AND, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE FINE JUST LEAVING IT AT THIS POINT THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH IT. WE'LL MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD AND MAKE SURE THERE'S GRASS ON IT. AND THEN COME BACK TO THE CITY IF WE THINK THAT WE NEED IT FOR SOME OTHER KIND OF USE. AGAIN, WE THINK THE 9.5 ACRES -- OUR ONLY POSITION IS WE THINK THE 9.5 ACRES IS AS SUFFICIENT AS IT NEEDS TO BE IN TERMS OF THE OPEN SPACE WITH THE PARK. THIS PARK IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PARK. I MEAN, WE ARE GOING TO NOT -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPARE ANY EXPENSE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY COOL PARK. >> Olley: I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. >> Olley: THE PRESENTATION MAKES IT -- IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. ANYONE WHO HAS WATCHED ME, AM BIASED HEAVILY TOWARDS OPEN SPACE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. A QUESTION ON THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION FACILITY. >> YES, SIR. >> Olley: I'M TRYING TO TIE IT TO WHAT CHAIRMAN DOWNS TALKED ABOUT, THE MODERATE INTENSITY VERSUS WHAT I THINK OF IN THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION, I HAVE A BACHELOR'S IN APPLIED CHEMISTRY AND WHAT'S BEING PRODUCED THERE? >> PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS AND THERAPIES FOR CELL AND GENE THERAPY THAT ARE DEVELOPED INSIDE THE EXISTING FACILITY IN THE INCUBATORS IN THE LABS. EVERY LIFE SCIENCE PROGRAM HAS A FORM OF THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION AND WE THINK THAT WE COULD REALLY MAKE A HUGE CASE THAT A LOT OF IT SHOULD COME HERE TO TEXAS BECAUSE OF THE LABOR AND THE TAXES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT FROM OFFSHORE. WE WANTO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT IN THE UNITED STATES. AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND THE SCOPE OF NOT ONLY THE 91 ACRES BUT THE OTHER 110 ACRES, WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO BUILD ABOUT 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF THIS THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION. AND WE THINK THE MARKET IS RAGING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT IN THE CENTER OF THE COUNTRY. AND SO THAT WAS PART AND PARCEL TO A LOT OF OUR PLANS. YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLEAN. IT'S GOT ALL THE AIR HANDLING. IT'S GOT 40-FOOT CLEARS INSID THE BUILDING AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A REAL CLEAN SPACE. NO RAW MANUFACTURING AS WE THINK OF MANUFACTURING. >> Olley: READY. >> Olley: SO IT'S PROBABLE THE FINE PARTICULATE MATTER PRODUCED OR THE EFFLUENT WASTE THAT TRIGGERS THE MODERATE INTENSITY CLASSIFICATION? >> YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: YEAH, I'VE GOT AEW QUESTIONS. I FIND THS FASCINATING. A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING PROJECTS I'VE SEEN. SO I'LL START WITH THAT. LET'S GO TO THE PARKS TO LEVEL-SET. 9 1/2 ACRES -- ERIC, WHAT IS THE WIND HAVEN PARK AT SPRING CREEK? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A 9 1/2-ACRE PARK IS COMPARED TO SOME THINGS I KNOW. >> IT'S A GOOD PLANO TRIVIA QUESTION. >> I HAVE A GOOD COMPARABLE MOST PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW, CLAY BORNE PA. >> Cary: OKAY. >> THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT. >> Cary: OKAY. GREAT. ARE THERE ANY TENANTS IN THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY? HP WAS IN THERE A WHILE BACK. ARE THEY STILL THERE? >> NO. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT COMPLETELY FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THE TAX ROLLS NOW AT VERY LOW NUMBERS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE POSITION THAT I'VE TAKEN -- I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE COME OUT TO LEAD THIS IN ANY OTHER CITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS FACILITY, BECAUSE IT'S IN MY HOMETOWN, I THINK WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PLANO IN THE LIFE SCIENCE WORLD, IN THE WORLD, ON THE MAP. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST ROBUST BUILDING PLAN OF ANYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN DROPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS GIGANTIC ECO ZONE. THIS ISN'T IN SOME GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT. THESE BUILDINGS EXIST. THIS ECOZONE EXISTS. DROPPING IT IN, WE JUST THINK THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE PRETTY MUCH ENDLESS. AND, YOU KNOW, NEXT POINT HAS THE FINANCIAL CAPABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG KEYS. GOT TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS. >> Cary: GREAT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON PHASING. CAN YOU GIVE US A GENERAL IDEA HOW FAR OFF WE ARE UNTIL THOSE APARTMENTS MAY BE BUILT? WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE AT A QUICK LEVEL? >> I CAN GIVE A LITTLE BIT, AND JEREMY, YOU ADD IN. EACH FA PHASE WILL TAKE 18 MONT. WE'VE GOT ALL THE NUMBERS SET NOW ON PHASE ONE. THAT'S GOING TO BE $1.1 BILLION AND IT'S GOING TO ENCOMPASS THE THERAPEUTIC FACILITY, THE GOD POD AND H1, THE BUILDING IF YOU'RE ON THE EAST SIDE LOOKING AT THE GOD POD IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE. PHASE TWO IS THE SECOND THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION, 18 MONTHS LATER, WITH H3. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GOD POD FROM THE EAST SIDE, THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THEECON PHASE. SO BEFORE ANY APARTMENTS ARE EVEN CONTEMPLATED, WE'RE GOING TO BE 2 1/2, 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. >> Cary: BEFORE YOU EVEN START. >> YEAH. AND AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE APARTMENTS -- EVERY TIME PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT APARTMENTS, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD ANY OF 'EM. I MEAN, THIS LAND IS VERY VALUABLE. AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR THIS ADDITIONAL ACREAGE -- THE REASON THAT I'M SO SHOCKED ABOUT IT -- WHEN WE RAN THE GROUP -- WE OWNED ALL THIS LAND, AS EVERYONE KNOWS. SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT APARTMENTS IS NOT THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN A LEVEL THAT WE CAN HOUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING HERE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. WE THINK PHASE THREE IS THE RIGHT TIME. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT PLANO, THE APARTMENT OU OCCUPANY IS OVER 90% SO WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING SURE -- DON'T WANT PEOPLE LIVING IN FRISCO. I LOVE FRISCO. I DON'T WANT THEM LIVING THERE. I DON'T WANT THEM LIVING IN CARLTON. I WANT THEM LIVING IN PLANO, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN. >> Cary: SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APARTMENTS, LOOKING AT YOUR APARTMENT SIZES, THEY SEEM A BIT ON THE SMALL SIDE. I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH FROM. FROM DATA I GOT NATIONALLY, ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS ARE 790 FEET ON AVERAGE, YOURS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER. QUICKLY, WHY SO MUCH SMALLER FOR YOUR APARTMENTS? IT SEEMS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER TO ME. >> YOUNG BUSINESSPEOPLE. WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME HERE AND ARE GOING TO WORK HERE. SO THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS TRYING TO KEEP THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR LEASE PAYMENTS DOWN. BUT, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO THINK WE HAVE EVERY ANSWER ON THAT UNTIL WE GET TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO WHAT WE PLAN TODAY WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY WE NEED SOME BIGGER UNITS, WE NEED THIS OR THAT. BUT GIVEN THE DYNAMICS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORKING, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE PEOPLE WORKING, THEY'RE YOUNG COLLEGE GRADUATE-TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY JUST LOOKING TO GET THEIR FEET WET NOW IN THIS INDUSTRY. >> Cary: OKAY. I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT WASTEWATER EARLIER AND IT WAS DEFERRED TO YOU GUYS. AGAIN, QUICKLY, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THAT ISSUE AND WHERE WE MIGHT BE WITH THAT? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE DONE AN ANALYSIS FOR THE FULL BUILDOUT OF THE SITE AND HAVE PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT THAT. SO THEY'VE SENT IT TO THEIR CONSULTANTS TO RUN THE MODELS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FEEDBACK YET, BUT WHEN I CHECK IN WITH ENGINEERING, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE MODELS FOR OFF-SITE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> Cary: AGAIN, ON THIS COMMISSION WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS AROUND WASTEWATER, SO IT'S INTERESTING. AND SO I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. IN TERMS OF MANUFACTURING IMPACT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAKING PHARMACEUTICALS. DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU WILL HAVE VIRUSES AND THINGS? RECENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER HEARD OF THIS, BUT THERE'S BIO LABS. THAT'S A JOKE. EVERYBODY HAS HEARD ABOUT BIO LABS. HOW SIGNIFICANT -- IS THERE ANY DANGER TO THE THINGS YOU'LL BE TESTING THERE, THE DRUGS, THE GENE THERAPIES THAT YOU'LL BE DOINDOING? WHAT RISK MIGHT THAT POSE TO OUR AREA? >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A WUHAN LAB. >> Cary: THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THOSE SO FAR. >> THE WK THAT'S DONE IN THE INCUBATOR IS REALLY A BUNCH OF CELL AND GENE THERAPY LABORATORY TESTING. AND PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT MODELS AND EVERYTHING. THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY VIRUS. THIS ISN'T A VIRAL THING AT ALL. AND WITH THE MANUFACTURING, IT IS AS SIMPLE AS A GIGANTIC WHITE ROOM WITH ALL KINDS OF EQUIPMENT AND THEIR HANDLERS AND EVERYTHING BUILDING PHARMACEUTICALS MAKING PHARMACEUTICALS. OR THE OTHER THERAPIES ON THE CELL AND GENE SIDE. WE'RE SPENDING 80% O THIS FACILITY CONCENTRATING ON CELL AND GENE THERAPY, WHICH IS THE REAL McCOY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO CANCERS AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. SO WE'RE NOT -- THERE WILL BE NO EMBEDDED VIRUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY RISK AT ALL. CERTAINLY ON THE MANUFACTURING SIDE, IT'S LITERALLY AS CLEAN AS A HOSPITAL. >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT YOUR PROJECT, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING. IT'S EXCITING FOR PLANO. THE ONLY DRAWBACK I HAVE HERE IS THE SAME ONE YOU HAVE, THAT THE GOING OF APARTMENTS. WHEN YOU LOOK A OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, ONE OF OUR KEYS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE -- COMPLEMENTS THE SUBURBAN HISTORY. WE'RE TRYING TO -- BY OUR COMPANY -- KEEP Y OUR SUBURBAN CHARACTER. I UNDERSTAND YOUR NEED FOR APARTMENTS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. DO YOU NEED 775? ARE YOU OPEN TO DOING SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED HERE. AND BY THE WAY, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT NEED, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE I DO. ARE YOU -- DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT MANY APARTMENTS? >> WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS THAT ARE IN PERRY'S REPORT THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO. HE IS THE MICHAEL JORDAN OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPER REPORTS. HE DOES EVERYTHING FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT HE ALSO DOES A LOT OF WORK UP IN WASHINGTON. AND HE IS THE FOREMOST AUTHORITY. IF WE LOOKED AT HIS NUMBERS, THERE'S GOING TO BE 32,000 JOBS. 32,000 NEW JOBS. WE NEED THREE TIMESHOSE APARTMENTS. IF YOU REALLY LOOKED AT IT FROM A SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT. WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS, IS THAT THERE'LL BE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO DO ANY MORE. BUT TO DO LESS -- THAT WOULD BE REALLY HAMPER US FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE THINK OUR MODEL SHOWS WE NEED WAY MORE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THESE PEOPLE. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT SOME OF THE HIGHER-END PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BY HOUSES IN PLANO, AND THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE. BUT OUR MODEL TELLS US THAT THAT'S JUST A NUMBER THAT WE THOUGHT MADE SENSE WHERE WE DIDN'T BUILD THESE GIGANTIC BUILDINGS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, MR. CARY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD THESE APARTMENTS, I'D BE THE HAPPIEST GUY IN THE WORLD. >> Cary: THAT MAKES SENSE. WITH THAT SAID -- THIS IS MY FINAL QUESTION. DID YOU GIVE CONSIDERATION TO, RATHER THAN BUILDING APARTMENTS SINCE THESE ARE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS GETTING STARTED, GIVING THEM A CHANCE AT HOMEOWNERSHIP AND TURNING THIS INTO AN OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY? I GUESS THESE JOBS ARE GOING TO BE DECENT-PAYING. >> THEY'RE HIGH-PAYING. >> Cary: YOU SEEM BUTTONED-UP, I'M GUESSING YOU LOOKED IN EVERY CORNER. DID YOU GIVE CONSIDERATION TO CREATING OWNERSHIP? >> WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE CONDO BUSINESS, BUT THESE APARTMENTS AT 775 IS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO 32,000 NEW JOBS. AND A LOT OF THESE JOBS, COMPANIES ARE GOING TO BE MOVING PEOPLE IN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A COMBO PLATTER OF EVERYTHING. IF I COULD -- IF WE COULD JUST BUILD AT NEXT,POINT LIFE SCIENCE BUILDINGS, I'D BE THE HAPPIEST GUY IN THE WORLD AT 25 AND $ A SQUARE FOOT. SO THE APARTMENTS ARE NOT AN ECONOMIC WINNER FOR US AT ALL, JUST A NECESSITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE. >> Cary: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. >> YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: A BIT OF A CLARIFICATION. WHEN THESE UNITS GO UP, ARE THEY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? KY CAN I FIND IT ON ZILLOW? >> I'M SORRY? >> Olley: WHEN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS GO UP, IS IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? >> COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE BLIC. AND AGAIN, AS WE SIT TODAY, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE -- ON MY SCHEDULE -- YOU WON'T HAVE A MOVE-IN UNTIL FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THESE APARTMENTS WOULD ACTUALLY BE OPERATIONAL. BUT COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. >> Olley: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER LISLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> Lisle: I DO. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS, WHERE HAS NEXTPOINT DONE THIS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY? >> NEXTPOINT HAS NOT DONE THIS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT WE ARE A BIG INVESTOR IN THE LIFE SCIENCE BUSINESS. WE INVESTED AS ONE OF THE LARGEST INVESTORS IN A COMPANY CALLED IQHQ, WHICH IS BASED OUT OF RALEIGH-DURHAM, AND WE HAVE INVESTED IN A COMPANY THAT BASICALLY IS NOW OUT IN THE MARKETPLACE TO RAISE, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE BILLION DOLLARS. FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WE HAVEN'T DONE A OF THIS RELATED DEVELOPMENT, BUT BY THE TIME THAT WE GET DONE WITH CRB AND ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING IS DONE IT'S LITERALLY THE BUILDING OF THE BUILDINGS. THE REAL SCIENCE IS WHAT OUR GOOD FRIENDS FROM CRB AND KENLEY HORNE BRING, THIS IS THE ABILITY TO CONVERT THESE BUILDINGS AND ON THE NEW BUILDINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THERAPEUTIC PRODUCTION FACILITY, SIR, THOSE ARE TILT WALL BUILDINGS. THOSE ARE THE SIMPLEST BUILDINGS TO BUILD. IT'S WHAT GOES INSIDE OFHEM, 40-FOOT CLEARS, ALL THE AIR HANDLERS. I'M CONFIDENT UNDER MY DIRECTION WE CAN BUILD ALL OF THIS. I BROUGHT IN A GREAT STAFF. THEY'VE ALLOWED ME AS MUCH LATITUDE AS WE CAN HAVE. WE'RE IN THE LIFE SCIENCE BUSINESS. BUT NOBODY HAS EVER BUILT 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET IN ONE LOCATION. THIS IS QUITE AMBITIOUS. >> Lisle: YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PHASE BEING ING, AND THEN TE MUIFAMILY PART OF THE PROJECT BEING PHASE THREE. YOU ALSO SPOKE OF 32,000 JOBS. WHAT JOBS DO YOU EXPECT TO COME WITH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO? >> THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TECHNICAL-RELATED JOBS IN LABS, A LOT OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTION. THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG PIECE OF THIS. SO, A LOT OF THE LAB TECHNICIANS SCIENTIST-RELATED STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY A LOT OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIRST TWO PHASES. SO, YOU KNOW, THE LAST PSES -- HERE AGAIN WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE HOSPITAL, THE RESEARCH HOSPITAL ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PLAN, BUT WE HAVE DESIGNS EARLY ON TO BRING IN A RESEARCH HOSPITAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. WE THINK THAT FULLY COMPLETES THIS $4 BILLION PROGRAM. AND WITH THE RESEARCH HOSPITAL YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERY KIND OF FUNCTION INSIDE A RESEARCH HOSPITAL LIKE A MAYO CLINIC, UT SOUTHWESTERN, DANA FARBER, ALL THESE MAJOR PLAYE. TH VAST MAJORITY OF THE JOBS IN PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE GOING TO BE TECHNICAL JOHNS. JOBS. SOME ARE PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURING, BUT A LOT OF R&D AND A LOT OF LAB WORK. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. AND I GUESS THE PART THAT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT IS THAT THE REASONING FOR THE MULTIFAMILY IS TO HOUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF COLLEGE THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE THESE IMPORTANT JOBS, BUT IF THE JOBS EXIST IN PHASE ONE AND TWO, IT SEEMS THAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE BUILT ALONGSIDE IT. IF THE APARTMENTS ARE REALLY FO. IF YOU'VE ALREADY BROUGHT PHASE ONE AND TWO AND THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE HERE, THEY WILL HAVE ALREADY MOVED IN SOMEWHERE BEFORE YOU'RE BUILDING THESE APARTMENTS AT ALL RIGHT? >> WELL, NO. BECAUSE THE FIRST PHASE IS 7800 JOBS. IN THE FIRST TWO PHASES, THERE'S ABOUT 12,000 JOBS. THERE'S GOING TO BE 32,000 JOBS. AND SO THE LAST TWO PHASES STILL ARE GIGANTIC JOB-CREATORS AND ONLY BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HER ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD MORE TIMES THAN I COULD ADMIT OVER 43 YEARS, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN HERE WITH APARTMENTS IN PHASE ONE. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DO AS BEST WE CAN WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE I REALLY MEAN. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO TO FRISCO TO LIVE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLANO TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE FIRST TWO PHASES. IF ALL THINGS WERE EQUAL, I'D PROBABLY TRY TO BUILD 300 UNITS JUST AT THE START JT TO MAKE SURE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN WITH THAT PLAN. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S THE REAL REASON WHY, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF JOB GROWTH AFTER PHASE TWO. AND WE THINK IN OUR LOOK AT THE MARKETPLACE, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE STREET AND DOWN THE STREET AND NORTH OF LEGACY EAST, THERE'S ENOUGH THERE TO GET US THROUGH WE THINK THE FIRST TWO PHASES. >> Lisle: THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY -- >> SIR? >> Lisle: SORRY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE FEEDBACK. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? >> I CAN NOW. >> Lisle: THIS IS A REALLY BIG PROJECT. >> IT IS. BIGGEST ONE I'VE EVER DONE. SIR? >> Lisle: YOU'RE RIGHT. THESE APARTMENTS -- I MEAN, THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE APARTMENTS AT ALL, IS IT NOT? >> NO. NO, WE'RE NOT GOING -- WE WOULD HAVE TO SCALE IT BACK. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT THERMOFISHER OR THESE BIG COMPANIES ASK IS, WHERE ARE YOU'RE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE? AND WE HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHEN THEY COME HERE AND SEE THE ECOZONE THAT'S BUILT, THEY GET IT FOR THE FIRST COUPLE-THREE YEARS, BUT THIS IS A SEVEN-YEAR PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS IN FOUR PHASES. SO IF THE APARTMENTS DIDN'T GET APPROVED, WE CAN'T BUILD WHAT WE HAVE ON THE DOCKET BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT PLAN WE COME UP WITH. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DIRECT WAY I COULD ANSWER IT. WILL THE PROJECT HAPPEN? A PORTION OF THE PROJECT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT IF WE CAN'T HOUSE THE PEOPLE, THEN THE COMPANIES ARE NOT GOI TO HAV COMFORT THAT THEY CAN LOCATE THESE BIG FACILITIES HERE. AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF LIFE SCIENCE, IT BECOMES A GIGANTIC ISSUE. THEY WANT PEOPLE TO WORK, LIVE, AND PLAY PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME AREA. SO WE'RE JUST GOING BY A YEAR TO TWO YEARS OF A LOT OF HARD WORK, A LOT OF S STUDYING. AND AGAIN, IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD ANY APARTMENTS, I'D BE THE HAPPIEST GUY IN THE WORLD, BUT THAT'S NOT REALITY. >> Lisle: THE LAST THING. YOU REFERENCED THIS BUILDING AND IT'S JUST A TERM I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. IT WAS GOD SOMETHING? >> GOD POD. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY HAS CALLED IT, SO I STUCK WITH IT. >> Lisle: GOTCHA. AND WHAT IS THAT, THE CENTERPIECE IN THIS EXISTING BUILDING? >> IT'S THE CENTERPIECE, YEAH. I TRIED TO CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE AND I GOT STOPPED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. DON'T BE MAD AT ME, CITY MANAGER. THEY SAID THAT'S THE GOD POD. I SAID I'LL GO WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST ONE FOLLOWUP QUESTION. PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IS ROUGHLY A MILLION THREE SQUARE FEET, GIVE OR TAKE. >> YES. >> Ratliff: WHAT'S THE LEASE-UP SCHEDULE ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WAITING FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS ONLINE, OR WHAT ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT? >> WE THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME EARLY ANNOUNCEMENTS. TONIGHT IS A VERY IMPORTANT NIGHT, BUT THE NEXT IMPORTANT NIGHT IS GETTING THROUGH THE CITY, THE COUNTY, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM. WE ARE NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH . I CAN'T DO ANYTHING LEGALLY OR PUBLICLY. BUT WE'RE NEGOTIATING NOW. WE'RE PRETTY CONVINCED TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS THAT THE LIFE SCIENCE BUSINESS WANTS TO COME TO NORTH TEXAS. THEY WANT TO BE HERE. THEY LOVE THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. THEY LOVE THE NO TAXES. THEY LOVE THE WORKFORCE. THEY LOVE THE FACT THAT PLANO IS SUCH A GREAT CITY. I MEAN, I GO AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND I'LL EVENTUALLY GO AROUND THE WORLD SELLING PLANO. AND THERE'S A LOT TO SELL. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOUSING, YOU WANT TO TE A LK AT THE POLICE SITUATION, YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WHOLE GAMUT OF PLANO, IT'S AS GOOD A CITY, SUBURBAN CITY TO A MAJOR CITY THAT THERE IS IN THE COUNTRY. THERE'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION. WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE THEY SEE IT. WE TRY TO EXPLAIN THESE BUILDINGS. THEY WALK IN THE BUILDINGS AND THEY CAN'T BELIEVE IT. AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME ADVANTAGES, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO. BUT WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THE MARKETPLACE. WE'RE WILLING TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. LET'S FOCUSN LAND USE STUFF VERSUS GETTING TOO DEEP INTO -- ANYWAY, LET'S GO AHEAD. >> Olley: YEAH. IT'S TO LAND USE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO, NEXTPOINT OWNS THE PROPERTY. >> YES. IT'S OWNED IN A PARTNERSHIP, THE IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR.OINT- >> Olley: CRB WILL OPERATE THE RESEARCH CORRIDOR? >> THEY WON'T OPERATE THE RESEARCH, THEY'RE DESIGNING -- 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF THISORL PROJECT. AND KENLEY HORNE IS WORKING WITH THEM. BUT CRB IS THE NUMBER ONE LIFE SCIENCE PLAYER IN THE WORLD, NOT IN THE UNITED STATES, IN THE WORLD. AND SO WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THEIR TOP TEAM. WE HAVE SPENT AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS, BECAUSE IF WE WERE BUILDING JUST STRAIGHT BUILDINGS IT WOULD BE EASIER THAN CONVERTING THESE BUILDINGS. BUT THEY CONVERT. I WAS -- RUSTRO WAS MY MENTOR. I THINK HE WOULD LOOK DOWN ON US AND BE HPY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE HE BUILT THE BUILDING. IT JUST LAYS OUT WITH THE LABS AND THE R&D PERFECTLY. SO, NEXTPOINT IS THE OWNER AND CRB IS THE ARCHITECT. AND THEN WE HAVE JLL. THEY'RE A TOP U.S. TEAM THAT'S -- THE MARKETING GROUP THAT ULTIMATELY WE WORK WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. SO, WE'VE GOT THE TEAM PRETTY WELL SET. BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL IF WE'VE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, ON AUGUST 28TH WE HAVE OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, I'D LIKE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. MY TURN, BUT I'LL BE PRETTY BRIEF. TO ME, THIS LOOKS LIKE A VERY HIGH-END -- IF YOU WERE TO GO TO AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL CAMPUS WHERE YOU NEED HOUSING THERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE BASICALLY LIVE IN THE LABS. I THINK ABOUT -- WHAT MOVIE WAS IT, THE MARTIAN. YOU HAVE THE YOUNG GUY, PERNELL, WHOEVER, WHO'S SLEEPING ON A COT IN HIS ROOM BECAUSE THAT'S -- YOU MENTIONED LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY. THEIR PLAY IS THEIR WORK. THAT'S ALL THEY NEED. THEY NEED A PLACE TO LAY THEIR HEAD AT NIGHT. THE 775 APARTMENTS TO ME, I THINK IT'S JUST A TOKEN, BECAUSE YOU REALLY PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN THAT. AND HONESTLY, ACROSS THE STREET IS LIKE 96% OCCUPIED, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE APARTMENTS. THEY SAY THEY BRING IN TRAFFIC. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT MIGHT BE 775 PEOPLE THAT AREN'T DRIVING TO THE CAMPUS. SO I SEE THE NEED FOR THEM. AND TO MR. LISLE'S POINT, I'M SURPRISED THEY'RE NOT INTEGRATED EARLIER INTO THE PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU CAME IN LEADING WITH RESIDENTIAL, JUST GO AHEAD AND WALK AWAY. THAT'S THE MOOD. >> LET ME SAY THIS. IF WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET A POSITIVE VOTE TONIGHT, AND WE'RE A YEAR AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE JUST OVERWHELMED, WE'LL COME BACK. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT. >> BUT I REALLY DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY BASED ON OUR DATA FOR THE FIRST TWO PHASES. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT. SO, I THINK THAT BETWEEN ALL OF THEM, THEY'VE PROBABLY ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS I COULD HAVE AT THIS POINT. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON IT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE DONE? >> THAT'S IT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. MR. HILL. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND ABOUT PARKLAND. WINDHAVEN IS 123 ACRES. HAGGARD PARK DOWNTOWN IS SEVEN ACRES. BRUCE GLASSCOCK PARK IS SEVEN ACRES AS WELL. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. QUESTIONS COMMENTS? MR. BROUNOFF IS NUMBER 1. >> Brounoff: ANOTHER QUESTION? >> Chair Downs: NO, I'M TALKING -- THESE GUYS. THANK YOU. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, THIS SCOPE, THIS DEGREE OF ECONOMIC IA WELL-INTEGRATED AND COMPLEMENTARY MIX OF USES INTERNALLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF PLANO THAT WE DARE NOT PASS UP, OKAY? IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY OF YOU IRVING, I REMEMBER WHEN NATIONAL COMPANIES WOULD COME THROUGH, CONSIDERING IRVING. FOR EXAMPLE, BOEING CAME THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, IRVING TRIED TO SELL THEM ON MOVING TO IRVING AND THEY DIDN'T. MAY THEY MOVED TO CHICAGO. EXXON MOBIL CAME THROUGH. WHEN A MAJOR EMPLOYER COMES IF N, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES AND IF YOU DON'T GET THEM, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL. THEY COULD WIND UP IN FRISCO IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY. 30,000 JOBS IS A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT. I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE APARTMENTS. A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE BASICALLY IS CREATING ITS OWN HOUSING MARKET, ITS OWN NEED FOR HOUSING, WHICH THEY ARE SATISFYING TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO THE EXTENT THIS PROPERTY WILL PERMIT, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY. I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT ABOUT HAVING THE EMPLOYEES LIVE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WILL ACTUALLY CUT DOWN ON TRIPS RATHER THAN BUILD TRAFFIC. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME. I DO NOT BIEVE FOR ONE SECOND THAT THIS COMPANY IS IN THE BUSINESS OF HIRING CRIMINALS TO MAKE DRUGS. I THINK THE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THERE ARE GOING TO BE COLLEGE-EDUCATED AFFLUENT PEOPLE. THESE APARTMENTS ARE BEING BUILT TO SATISFY A SPECIFIC MARKET SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AND I INTEND TO VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE HERE, COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF AND CHAIR. I AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF THE ANYTIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING APARTMENTS TO PLANO, LIKE MR. ZACKNELLLI, I PAUSE. I THINK WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING THE SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF PLANO. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THINK MAYBE PLANO IS NO LONGER A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. AND I REFUSE TO SUBMIT TO THAT. I THINK THAT WE CAN BE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF PLANO. WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROJE AND LIKE COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, I THINK TO TURN THIS DOWN WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS CAN PROVIDE TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY IN SO MANY DIFFERENT REGARDS. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY DONE GOOD WORK IN GETTING THIS READY. SO, WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S ONE THING. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT BI-FUR KAITING THIS SITE. I THINK THAT'S A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR US TO GET TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO CUT UP THIS SITE AND GIVE THIS ONE ZONING FOR SOMETHING ELSE. I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY HAS SAID TO DO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD. THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR PLANO. SO, THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARY. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I THINK TO COMMISSIONER CARY'S POINT, WE ARE CHARGED WITH MAKING SURE WE PRESERVE PLANO'S SUBURBAN QUALITY AND ITS TRANSITION TO A MORE MATURE CITY IN A HELPFUL MANNER. PLANO IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. AND WE HAVE THE FORTUNE 500S TO PROVE IT. AND A KEY COMPONENT OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR PLANO 2050 IS FOR THIS BODY TO ENSURE THAT WE BALANCE TENSIONS AS THIS CITY WITHOUT OUR LIKING MOVES IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION. THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD. THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THIS, YOU KNOW -- I STRUGGLED WITH UNTIL I READ THE PRIORITIES FOR THE EN DESIGNATION AND IT WAS MAINTAINING LAND FOR EMPLOYMENT-GENERATING USES. AND I CANNOT THINK OF ANY MORE EMPLOYMENT-GENERATING USE THAN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. SO, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR, AS HAVING BEEN ONE OF THOSE YOUNG CATS WHO HAD TO LIVE IN A SORT OF MIXED-USE -- HAVING TO LIVE NEXT TO AN EMPLOYER WHILE I DO MY PRACTICUM. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT I WOULD HAVE A PLACE NOT TOO FAR AWAY TO LAY MY HEAD. SO I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL AND LOOK FORWARD TO IT WHEN IT COMES. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. THE ONE THING THAT REALLY KIND OF SOLIDIFIES MY POSITION ON THIS IS I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT WITH ITS ADJACENCY TO THE UA DISTRICT -- I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WOULD CHANGE THE MASTER PLAN, BUT I THINK AS A PRESERVATION OF THE CONTINUITY OF THE DISTRICT, THE MULTIFAMILY USE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EXISTING MULTIFAMILY USE DOESN'T CONCERN ME AS MUCH AS IT MIGHT IN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN. AND I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY SOMEWHAT OF A BUFFER, AND ALSO AN ENHANCEMENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TO HELP THIS DEVELOPMENT BE MORE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT HOUSING COMPONENT. AND SO IF I LOOK AT IT THAT WAY AND TO COMMISSIONER CARY'S POINT I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WOULD CHANGE THE PLAN, BUT IF I LOOK AT IT AS IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER AND SAY WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT AS UA VERSUS EM, IN THIS CASE IT DOES. IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE UA, ADJACENCY COULD CONTINUE ON TO THIS PROPERTY FOR THE FIRST 250 FEET. THAT DOESN'T OFFEND ME AT ALL. I DON'T THINK IT COMPROMISES THE SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF THE 98% OF PLANO. AND SO I DON'T FIND THAT A NEGATIVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. THE ONLY PART THAT I THINK STAFF BROUGHT UP IS THE HOUSING MIX QUESTION. AND SO TO MY MIND, THAT'S THE QUESTION OF THE FINDINGS FORM IS THE HOUSING MIX. AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY NEGATIVE THAT I SEE IN THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL IS THE HOUSING MIX COMPONENT AND THE LEGACY AREA AND THE EM, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH TO CHANGE MY MIND. WITH THAT SAID, I'M EXCITE ABOUT THIS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT REUSE OF THIS FACILITY. I THINK THE INTENSITY THAT IT WILL BRING FOR EMPLOYMENT AND FOR NEW CORPORATE PARTNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NEW RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, RESURRECT THE GOD POD AND TE FOR FRANK, WITH ONE STIPULATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM TAKE THE TWO ACRES THAT'S IN YELLOW AND MAKE THAT A PARK, KNOWING THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF THERE IS A NEED ON THE SITE, THEY COULD ALWAYS COME BACK. >> Chair Downs: SO, YOU MADE A MOTION. >> Lisle: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT TAKE THE AREA THAT'S SHADED IN YELLOW AND MAKE THAT PART OF THE OPEN SPACE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO BEFORE WE TALK ANY MORE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, BECAUSE AT FIRST IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID THEY COULD USE THAT FOR SOMETHING ELSE LATER. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO KEEP IT PART OF THE OPEN SPACE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL ON THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE OKAY WITH, OR ARE YOU SAYING IT NEEDS TO REMAIN OPEN SPACE? >> Lisle: OPEN SPACE. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ASK. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE MAKE IT PART OF THE OPEN SPE N IS MY UNDERSTANDING. MY MOTION IS INTENDED TO BE IN LINE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. BUT TO GIVE THEM THE 30 FEET ALONG PARKWOOD BOULEVARD THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY NEED FOR UTILITIES AND SO FORTH. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. SO BASICALLY YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM 3A SUBJECT TO RETAINING THE OPEN SPACE AT 11 1/2 ACRES INSTEAD OF 9 1/2 ACRES. >> C >> Lisle: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: 2A, I MOVED AHEAD. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU HAVE A SECOND, THAT ALLOWED, OR DO I NEED TO SECOND TO ASK THE QUESTION? >> THERE SHOULD BE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. >> Chair Downs: LET ME ASK, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SECOND THAT PROPOSAL, THAT MOTION? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE SECOND FOR THAT MOTION WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER MOTION. ALL RIGHT. DON'T HAVELD FAIL. DO YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTION? >> LET ME ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. BECAUSE IF THAT LOT -- IF THAT AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN AS OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT. >> Chair Downs: MHMM. >> WOULD THAT NOT REQUIRE A REVISED SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT? >> Chair Downs: GO AHEAD. >> IT WOULD REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE IT BE PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE, SO THE APPLICANT COULD USE IT FOR DEVELOPMENT. >> BUT IN ORDER TO USE IT FOR DEVELOPMENT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING FORWARD A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR OUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL? >> CORRECT. BUT IF IT MEETS THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO APPROVE IT. >> hair Downs: IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE, NOT LEGISLATIVE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE CREEK WHERE THEY'VE COME BACK TO US TWO OR THREE TIMES. >> SO THAT WOULD BE THE CLARIFICATION, THAT IT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT. >> Chair Downs: CORRECT. >> OKAY. WHICH GIVES ME SOME COMFORT. >> Olley: IT WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVE, NOT LEGISLTIVE, WHICH HANDCUFFS US TO SOME EXTENT, BUT WE COULD STILL SPEAK INTO IT. >> Chair Downs: SO IT SOUNDS -- WELL, WE COULDN'T GET A SECOND ON THE RETAINING IT, IN OTHER WORDS, REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE 11 1/2 ACRES. IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE EVERYBODY WAS IN FAVOR OF HANDCUFFING THEM RIGHT? MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 2A. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITES EARLIER, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> Lisle: YES. >> Chair Downs: BY A VOTE OF 6-0, ITEM 2A CARRIES. I NOW NEED A VOTE ON ITEM 2B. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. DO WE WANT TO DO -- WE HAVE TO DO THE FINDINGS. LET'S GET 2B OUT OF THE WAY, THEN WE CAN DO OUR BUSINESS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT ITEM 2B BE APPROVED. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 2B. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: YES. >> Chair Downs: ITEM 2B ALSO CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 6-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK HERE. WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF ON OUR FINDINGS FORMS, SO IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE POTTY BREAK OR SOMETHING, NOW IS THE TIME. ALL RIGHT. >> Chair Downs: WE WILL RECONVENE NOW AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 3A. >> I WILL READ THREE PROJECTS TOGETHER SINCE THEY COINCIDE. >> Chair Downs: YES, PLEASE. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 A IS A Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2023-008 - Request for a Specific Use Permit for Vehicle Storage on 2.7 acres located on the west side of Premier Drive, 600 feet south of Lexington Drive. Zoned Corridor Commercial. Petitioner: VTC Plano Rental Properties, LLC (Legislative consideration). AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3B, Public Hearing - Concept Plan: Crest Cadillac Addition, Block B, Lot 1 - Vehicle Storage on 2.7 acres located on the west side of Premier Drive, 1,660 feet north of Enterprise Drive. Zoned Corridor Commercial. Applicant: VTC Plano Rental Properties, LLC (Administrative consideration). FINAL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER IS 3C, Public Hearing - Preliminary Site Plan: Van Tuyl Addition, Block A, Lot 2 - New vehicle dealer on one lot on 10.5 acres located on the west side of U.S. Highway 75, 1,660 feet north of Enterprise Drive. Zoned Corridor Commercial. Applicant: VTC Plano Rental Properties, LLC (Administrative consideration). >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER, PARKER, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VEHICLE STORAGE ON 2.7 ACRES. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND DEVELOPED WITH WAREHOUSE, PUBLIC STORAGE, ELECTRICAL SUB-STORAGE AND VEHICLE REPAIR. TO THEAST OF THE SMALL STRIP IS THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND ACROSS THE STREET, PREMIER DRIVE, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, IS ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND A PROPOSED NEW VEHICLE DEALERSHIP. TO THE SOUTH THE PROPERTY IS ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND IS A VACANT PARKING LOT. TO THE WEST, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT 6, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, GREEN HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, AND A RELIGIOUS FACILITY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON T SCREEN. ON THE SCREEN IS THE ZONING EXHIBIT. AND THEN THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN SHOWING THE ASSOCIATED NEW VEHICLE DEALERSHIP OUTLINED IN BLUE. THE HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT, PREVIOUSLY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS AN OFF-SITE PARKING LOT, ASSOCIATED WITH THE AUTO PARK, FOCUSED ON VEHICLE-RELATED USES INCLUDING THE VEHICLE DEALERSHIP, REPAIR, AND STORAGE. BASED ON HISTORIC AERIALS, THE SITE WAS USED AS VEHICLE STORAGE UNTIL 2017. SINCE THE S.U.P. -- THE VEHICLE STORAGE WAS INITIALLY ABANDONED IN 2017, THE APPLICANT MUST REQUEST THIS S.U.P. TO REESTABLISH VEHICLE STORAGE AS A LEGAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS AN ENCROACHMENT FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, ALONG THE NORTH WISCONSIN PORTION OF THE SLOT -- NORTH WESTERN SECTION ENCROACHES ON THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND INCLUDES PAVEMENT, FENCING, AND OPEN STORAGE. THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MODIFY THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND REMOVE THE AREA WITH THE ENCROACHMENT OR REMOVE THE IMPROVEMENTS. THE PROPOSED S.U.P. BOUNDARY DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AREA OF ENCROACHMENT. THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR CATEGORY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED USE OF VEHICLE STORAGE IN THIS EXISTING LOT AS HAVING A NEUTRAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL EXPRESSWAY CATEGORY. THIS REQUEST WOULD PROVIDE INDUSTRIAL TYPE AS DEFINED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS PROPOSED IN THE ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN, THE REQUEST WOULD COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDED USE OF MIXES FOR THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR. ON-SCREEN IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY SUMMARY. CONSIDERING THE SITE'S HISTORICAL USE, ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE ADJACENT AUTO DEALERSHIP AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED, STAFF FINDS THIS PROPOSED USE OF VEHICLE STORAGE AS HAVING A NEUTRAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR CATEGORY. STAFF RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER. CITYWIDE, STAFF RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN SUPPORT, FOUR NEUTRAL, TWO OPPOSED, 16 UNIQUE RESPONSES. OF THOSE 16 RESPONSES, WE ALSO RECEIVED THREE DUPLICATE RESPONSES FOR A TOTAL OF 19 RESPONSES. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT ITEMS 3B AND 3C ARE CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM, AND I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE. SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS S.U.P. REQUEST. AS SHOWN ON-SCREEN. AND THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE VAN TUYL ADDITION, WHICH IS THE NEW VEHICLE DEALER COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? PRELIMINARY. MR. OLLEY WAS FIRST. >> Olley: THE PREVIOUS USE THAT WAS ABANDONED IN 2017, IF THAT USE WAS NOT ABANDONED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED? WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN? >> YES, IF IT WAS NOT ABANDONED FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS, THEN IT COULD STILL BE USED AS VEHICLE STORAGE WITHOUT THE S.U.P. IF IT WAS MAINTAINED. >> Olley: THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, WHEN WAS THAT BUILT, DO WE KNOW? >> I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS EXISTING WHEN THIS VIDEOCASSETTE >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE LONG, NARROW STRIP PROCEEDING NORTH FROM THE PROPERTY IS FOR? >> I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST LEFT OVER FROM HOW IT WAS SUBDIVIDED AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE SO IT'S JUST TO REMAIN UNDEVELOPED, THAT STRIP. >> Brounoff: IT'S NOT INTENDED AS A DRIVEWAY, FOR EXAMPLE? >> CORRECT. >> Brounoff: IS THERE ANY SORT OF BUFFERING BEING PROPOSED TO SCREEN OFF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST? >> THERE CURRENTLY EXISTS A MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL -- >> Brounoff: HOW TALL IS THE WALL? >> BELIEVE IT IS 6 FEET TALL. >> Brounoff: IS THERE ANY VEGETATION ALONG THE WALL? >> WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WHERE THE PARKING LOT WILL ACTUALLY BE INSTALLED, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. OR LANDSCAPING AREA. >> Brounoff: DOES THE PROPOSAL CONTEMPLATE PAVING OVER ANY AREAS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALREADY PAVED OVER? >> I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE WHEN I WENT OUT TO AS A PARKING LOT.NTLY EXISTS FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THAT DO NOT EXIST TODAY. >> Brounoff: DOES THIS CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE ISSUES OVER AND ABOVE THE PRESENT CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY? >> I DID ASK OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IF THEY SEE ANY ISSUES OR ARE AWARE OF ANY ISSUES. THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT AWARE OF ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THEY SAID WHEN IT GETS FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS AND THEY SUBMIT MORE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THEY WILL REVIEW THAT AND ENSURE ANY CHANGE DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. CARY.air Downs: COMMISSIONER >> Cary: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED WAS THEY WERE GOING TO RESOLVE THIS ENCROACHMENT. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION REALLY FOR THE APPLICANT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY CANNOT RESOLVE THAT, IF THEY CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT. >> THEN SINCE THEY LEGALLY OWN THAT LAND AND IT WAS BUILT ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY COULD WORK WITH OUR PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION TO HELP GET THAT REMOVED FROM THEIR PROPERTY. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? VERY GOOD. COMMSIONER HILL -- CHA HILL. MR. HILL. >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY. NON-CONFORMING USES DO EXPIRE AFTER SIX MONTHS. >> Chair Downs: SO FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WITH SUPs, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. SIX MONTHS AND YOU'RE OUT OF HERE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S GETTING LATE. I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID NON-CONFORMING USE VERSUS SUPs. ISHIS AN ALLOWABLE USE?HS? >> NO. THE SUP, IF GRANTED, RUNS WITH THE LAND UNTIL IT IS RESCINDED. THE PREVIOUS USE, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED FOR STORAGE. THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED BUT IT WAS ABLE TO CONTINUE BECAUSE IT WAS OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY. >> Ratliff: OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT. >> Chair Downs: GOOD CLARIFICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR? >> Chair Downs: OH, MR. LISLE. YES SIR. >> Lisle: HELLO. I WOULD -- I DROVE OUT TO THIS SITE. THE BRICK WALL HAS GOT SOME DETERIORATION GOING ON. WE SEE LOTS OF DIFFERENT SITES THAT HAD SCREENING OR DIDN'T HAVE SCREENING. I REALIZE THIS MASONRY WALL WAS THERE. IS THERE A WAY -- I MEAN, THIS IS AN AREA THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME TO PROVIDE A GREEN SCREEN IN ADDITION TO THE WALL. THEY'RE ALREADY PLANTING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OUT THERE. IT'S NOT FOR A LOT OF LINEAR FOOTAGE. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A WAY TO ATTEMPT TO GIVE THE FOLKS THE USE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND THEN ALSO -- I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORS ARE RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIX-FOOT WALL AND THE HOMES ARE ELEVATED. SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADD LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT WALL OR SOME TREES, I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> Chair Downs: WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF, YOU'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT AS SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER. >> Lisle: CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS HERE? >> WE HAVE JUDD, JOHN, AND RRICK . >> Chair Downs: GOOD EVENING. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD EVENING. MUD WITH KIMLEY-HORN, 13455 NOEL DRIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY . THE FIRST SLIDE HERE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, WE HAVE THIS SUP REQUEST ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES. AS MENTIONED BY PARKER, THIS SITE HAS PREVIOUSY BEEN A VEHICLE STORAGE, DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE VEHICLE OPERATOR THAT WAS OVER TO THE EAST. THE SAME USE IS BEING PROPOSED HERE AS VEHICLE STORAGE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE NEW OPERATOR TO THE EAST. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE IT'S GOING TO BE A TESLA DEALERSHIP. 60,000 SQUARE FEET OF SALES, SERVICE, AND DELIVERY ON THE EAST SIDE OF PREMIER. THIS IS A BRIEF LANDSCAPE -- WE HAVE ADDED LANDSCAPING. NONE OF THE EXISTING ISLANDS EXIST THERE TODAY. IT IS FULLY PAVED. NO LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. FOR THE VEHICLE STORAGE I N'TELIE LANDSCAE ISLANDS ARE REQRED BUT WE ARE ADDING THEM, IN ADDITION TO THE TREES AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S THERE. YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT PURSUANT TO THE REQUEST OF LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE'VE ADDED TREES THERE AS WELL. SO WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING THERE ON THE BACK SIDE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WHERE THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE. AND THIS IS JUST A FEW SLIDES OF WHAT THE DEALERSHIP IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND THESE TWO, AS MENTIONED BY PARKER, ARE DIRECTLY TIED TOGETHER SO IT'S A USE TO THEEST AT I SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AUTO DEALERSHIP. ANY QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? >> Chair Downs: LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK. >> WE DO NOT, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANTS. >> Chair Downs: OH, OKAY. SO IF THAT'S IT, THEN I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP, SORRY. I DON'T SEE ANY BUTTONS LIT UP YET BUT I'M ASSUMING THEY WILL, ANY SECOND NOW. OR NOT. SO -- I CAN COUNT ON MR. BROUNOFF. THANK YOU. >> Brounoff: I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO GO. >> Chair Downs: YOU'RE VERY POLITE. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> Brounoff: THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BOUNDARY DISPUTE AT THE FAR END OF THAT NARROW PASSAGE THAT EXTENDS NORTHWARD. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF YOUR DEALINGS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT? >> STO THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY MET WITH THAT OWNER ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY CURRENTLY ARE AMENABLE TO OUR CURRENT PLAN AND ALSO TO JUST REMING THEIR IMPROVEMENTS ENTIRELY. WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE BOTH OPTIONS ON THE TABLE TO EITHER REPLAT AND PUT THE PROPERTY -- PUT THEIR ENCUMBRANCES ON THEM SO IT'S NOT IN OUR PROPERTY ANYMORE, OR HAVE IT REMOVED. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM ON WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THEIR OPERATION. >> Brounoff: HAVE YOU REACHED A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO? >> NOT YET WE HAVEN'T. NO. >> Brounoff: OKAY. WE DID HAVE A WRITTEN OPPOSITION FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO HAVE PEOPLE ENCROACH ACROSS HIS PROPERTY FOR ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY. SOME SORT OF DRIVEWAY ACROSS HIS PROPERTY. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY DRIVEWAYS OTHER THAN THOSE TWO THAT ENTER THE PROPERTY OFF OF PREMIER. >> PARKER, HOW DO I TAKE IT BACK TO THE PSP? I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT HE'S TALKINGBOUT. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT THERE. >> SO IF YOU'LL SEE TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THERE IS A DRIVE INTERNAL TO THE SITE THAT ANGLES DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH. AND SO I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT SENT THAT LETTER IN IS THE OWNER DIRECTLY BY THE LARGE PARCEL, NOT THE SMALL SKINNY PIECE. THE CITY HAS REQUIRED US TO PROVIDE AN ACCESS EASEMENT FOR CROSS ACCESS THERE. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE OUR CURRENT FIRE LANE DRIVE. BUT WE HAVE CUT OUR PAVING ABOUT TEN FEET FROM THERE SO THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS EASEMENT THERE FOR CROSS ACCESS IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WANT TO UTILIZE THAT CROSS ACCESS. BUT WE ARE NOT -- SORRY. WE'RE NOT BUILDING A DRIVE TO THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENCROACH ON HIS PROPERTY FOR ANY ACCESS. >> Brounoff: OKAY. HAVE EITHER YOU OR THE OWNER YOU REPRESENT HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER OWNER ABOUT THAT? >> NO, THAT IS A CITY OF PLANO ENGINEERING AND PLANNING REQUIREMENT SO WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO DO IT BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CITY. >> Brounoff: IS THERE ANY OBSTRUION TO THAT ACCESS, LIKE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY? >> THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT'S OPERATING WITHOUT ANY SORT OF ACCESS HERE. SO AS IT SITS TODAY THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT. THIS WOULD ONLY BE BENEFICIAL IF A NEW OWNER -- OR IF THE CURRENT OWNER DECIDED TO RESTRUCTURE THEIR PARKING LOT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT NEW ACCESS EASEMENT AND ADD A DRIVEWAY TO THEIRS. THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUNCH THROUGH THERE AND GAIN ACCESS TO OUR DRIVE CONNECTION. >> Brounoff: BUT YOU DO HAVE TWO UNCONTESTED DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES OFF OF PREMIER, DO YOU NOT? >> WE D'T NEED THE ACCESS AT ALL. >> Brounoff: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: ONE QUESTION ALONG THE GOOD NEIGHBOR LINE. ALL OF THE COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH AN EROSION ISSUE FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? >> SO WE WERE MADE AWARE OF IT BY THE LETTER THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK AT THE END OF THE WEEK LAST WEEK. I THINK THE NEIGHBOR IS ON THE SCREEN HERE TO THE TOP LEFT. THERE'S AN EXISTING CITY OF PLANO 15-FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT UP THERE. SO THE DRAINAGE GOES UP TO AN INLET AND IT CUTS AND GOES BACK TO THE WEST. I THINK THERE'S AN OUTFALL THERE AS WELL. I'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH THE OWNER AND MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT AND WE WILL WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND STAFF TO CREATE SOME SORT OF IMPROVEMENT THERE. AS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE, WE ARE REDUCING THE COVER, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REDUCING THE FLOW GOING TO THAT POINT. SO ALREADY MAKING THE SITUATION BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY. BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ON SOME EROSION MEASURES THERE TO HELP IMPROVE THAT AND ENSUR THERE'S NOT ANY FUTURE ISSUES. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> Ratliff: I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE 3A AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY MR. BROUNOFF TO APPROVE ITEM 3A AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: YES. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. WE NEED A MOTION ON. >> EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. WAS IT SUPPOSED TO WALK DOWN WITH HIM TO SAY SOMETHING, SINCE MY NAME WAS CALLED? OR I WAS WAITING FOR MY NAME TO BE CALLED TO SEE IF I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? >> RICK PALMER. >> I CALLED YOU. >> DO I NEED TO COME WHEN YOU CALLED? >> Chair Downs: YES, SRY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO SAY -- >> I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I WOULD SAY COME DOWN THEN AND LET'S HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. >> I'M RICK PALMER. OWN INNOVATIVE AUTO WORKS, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THEIR STORAGE LOT ON PREMIER DRIVE. WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1997. WE STARTED AS CREST CADILLAC STORAGE LOT. NOW SEEING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE, I THINK IT IS GREAT. I THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS FINE. THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD WAS ON THE DRIVEWAY. I DIDN'T SEE -- OR THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE PRINTOUT OFF OF THE PLANO WEBSITE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO MOVE THEIR DRIVEWAYS DOWN CLOSE TO MY DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THAT PROPOSED DRIVEWAY CONNECTION WAS ANOTHER QUESTION AND I THINK HE ANSWED VERY WL. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD QUESTION NOW IS THE ENTRANCE TO THAT PROPERTY IS NOW CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. IT DOESN'T IMPEDE OR GET IN THE WAY OF ANYTHING. AND I SEE IN THE PICTURE THAT THEY WANT TO BRING IT DOWN CLOSE TO MY DRIVEWAY. WE ONLY HOUSE ABOUT 20 CARS IN THE FRONT OF THE LOT. WE STAY ABOUT TEN CARS BEHIND DURING THE DAY SO WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. SOMETIMES WE NEED THE WRECKERS TO STOP OUT FRONT AND DROP OFF CARS SO WE CAN GET THEM IN THE PARKG LOT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO GET A WRECKER BETWEEN THEIR NEW PROPOSED ENTRYWAY AND OUR DRIVEWAY. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. >> YEAH, THANK YOU, MR. PALMER. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU WANT TO WORK THROUGH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. TYPICALLY WE DON'T USE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR UNLOADING AND UNLOADING WITH WRECKER SERVICES. I KNOW THAT'S AN ACTIVE STREET FOR AUTO USES SO I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR A WHILE. JUST BE AWARE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT OFF STREET, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY WOULD ASK YOU TO DO. AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH DOING THAT IN THE STREET. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY, AS PROPOSED, DOES MEET THE CITY'S STANDARDS, SO THERE'S A MINIMUM DIMENSION BETWEEN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND YOURS. IT DOES MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS. I JUST WANT TO CAUTION YOU ABOUT DOING THOSE OPERATIONS IN THE STREET. >> YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE. IT WAS JUST A CONCERN THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY WANTING TO GET IN, WANTING TO GET OUT, EVEN OF THEIR PROPERTY ALSO WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT TO THE INCONVENIENCE OF A LOADING OR UNLOADING. THAT'S ALL. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I TOOK YOUR LETTER TO MEAN THAT YOU WERE WORRIED THAT THEIR UNLOADING AND LOADING WAS GOING TO BLOCK YOUR DRIVEWAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE WORRIED THAT THEIR DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO PREVENT YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO LOAD OR UNLOAD IN THE STREET. >> COULD BE VERY CONGESTED, YES. >>hair Downs: OKAY. >> COULD BE FOR THEM TOO IF THEY HAVE CARS, BECAUSE CREST HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THAT IS WHERE THEY PARK THEIR BIG UNLOADING TRUCKS. >> Chair Downs: ON THE STREET? >> YES, ON THE STREET AND MOVE THEM INTO THE LOT, WHICH MAKES THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT IS NOW VERY NICE BECAUSE THERE'S -- >> Chair Downs: PLENTY OF ROOM. >> NOTHING ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. CREST BODY SHOP ALSO HAS A DRIVEWAY ENTRY THAT THEY DON'T USE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS ONE'S PROPOSED ALSO. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I GUESS I SHOULD ASK IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> I HAD CALLED JOHN HARDY. >> SORRY, I REGISTERED AS A SPEAKER BUT I WAS MEANING TO JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS, IF THERE WERE ANY. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE BACK TO ITEM 3B. MR. OLLEY. >> Olley: I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 3B AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 3B AS SUBMITTED. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MR. LISLE. SHE DIDN'T CATCH MY VOTE BUT IT WOULD BE APPROVE AS WELL. DO WE NEED TO MODIFY THAT, SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVING ZONING CASE 3A OR THE OTHER? >> THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. WEE GOING TO REDO THIS SO WE GET IT RIGHT. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 3B SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF ZONING CASE 23-008. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I'LL TAKE MR. LISLE'S APPROVE AS A SECOND ALTHOUGH I HEARD MR. BROUNOFF SAY SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF TO APPROVE ITEM 3B. PLEASE VOTE. THAT CARRIES 6-0. SO NOW WE CAN GO TO 3C. A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. >> MOVE APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED OF ITEM 3C. >> SECOND. >> Chair Dwns: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. ITEM 3C. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: 6-0. THANK YOU. THAT ITEM IS CARRIED. WE'LL TRY TO GET ON A ROLL HERE FOLKS. ITEM 4. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2023-010 - REQUEST TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING ADOPTING A BROADLY APPLICABLE PROCESS FOR DETERMINATIONS OF STATUS AS A NONCONFORMING USE OR STRUCTURE AND FOR APPEALING THOSE DETERMI PETITIONER: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDE. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I'M MELISSA, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING DETERMINATIONS OF NON-CONFORMITIES. THE COMMISSION CALLED A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 15, 2023 TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING ADOPTING A BR MAKING DETERMINATIONS OF STATUS AS A NON-CONFORMING USE OR STRUCTURE AND FOR APPEALING SUCH DETERMINATIONS. THIS REQUEST RESULTS FROM CHANGES TO STATE LAW WHICH DEFINE THESE FORMAL PROCESSES. PLANO'S CURRENT REGULATIONS FOR NON-CONFORMITIES SPECIFY THREE INSTANCES IN WHICH A NON-CONFORMITY SHALL EXIST. HOWEVER, THERE'S NO DEFINED PROCESS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND DETERMINE THAT ONE OF THESE INSTANCES APPLIES TO A USE OR A STRUCTURE. TYPICAL CURRENT PRACTICE IS FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH THE HISTORY OF A SITE, INCLUDING SITE PLANS AND CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. ADDITIONALLY, AN APPLICANT MAY ALSO BE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE RECORDS OF OPERATION ON SITE. CHANGES TO STATE LAW SPECIFICALLY SENATE BILL 929 HAVE PROVIDED A FRAMEWORK FOR A MORE STANDARDIZED PROCESS FOR DETERMINING NON-CONFORMITIES. A MUNICIPALITY MUST NOW PROVIDE A DETERMINATION OF NON-CONFORMING STATUS. IF AN APPLICANT DISAGREES WITH THE DETERMINATION THE APPLICANT MAY APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ESTABLISH THE CURRENT TYPICAL PRACTICE FOR DETERMINING A NON-CONFORMING USE OR STRUCTURE INTO A FORMAL PROCESS AS WELL AS ALLOW THIS DETERMINATION TO BE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING NEW LANGUAGE BE ADDED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEALS SECTION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE AND TIME FRAMES ESTABLISHED IN CHAPTER 211 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, LAND USE OPTION ONE AND PROPERTIES STANDARDS ACTION NINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . AS THESE AMENDMENTS ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WILL CREATE A CLEAR STANDARDIZED PROCESS FOR BOTH STAFF AND APPLICANTS TO FOLLOW, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS FOR APPROVAL AS SHOWN BY THE STRIKE-THROUGH AND UNDERLINED TEXT IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND THERE WERE NO RESPONSES RECEIVED FOR THIS ITEM AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUICK SIDEBAR HERE. I'M GOING TO LET OUR WONDERFUL ATTORNEY GIVE US JUST A SLIGHT CORRECTION. GO AHEAD. >> SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE 929 CONNECTION HERE IS THAT 929 MAKES IT SO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC PROCESS FOR TERMINATING NON-CONFORMING USES. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOW IS BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION. BECAUSE OF THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS A NON-CONFORMING USE AND SET UP A PROCESS FOR THEM TO APPEAL. ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK LATER WITH 929 CORRECTIONS TO THESE ORDINANCES, THIS IS PRIMARILY ABOUT JUST BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT'S NON-CONFORMING . IT'S BROADER THAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS BUT IT ISN'T QUITE AS TIED TO 929. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT QUICK CORRECTION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. AND IT'S COMMON FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE COMMISSION LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE EXPERIENCED IT, EVERY TWO YEARS THE LEGISLATION MEETS AND THEY PASS BILLS, LAWS, WHATEVER. AND THEN WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCES TO COMPLY. SO THIS IS THE FRONT END OF PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A TRICKLE OF CHANGES WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE TO OUR ORDINANCE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. SO, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC THK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: MR. CHAIRMAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A NECESSARY PROCESS. IT ALSO AFFORDS BOTH THE CITY AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITH A DUE PROCESS TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS AND THEREFORE I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NO. 4. >> Olley: I SECOND THE MOTION. I THINK DEVELOPERS AND WHOEVER WANTS TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN PLANO DESERVES CLARITY FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE. SO I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER , COMMISSIONER CARY, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> Cary: I HAVE A QUESTION, REALLY. ON 5.200.1, THIS TALKS ABOUT WHO HAS THE FINAL DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO THAT ACTUALLY IS. IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE CLARITY AROUND THAT, JUST AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO BE. SO WHO WILL THAT BE? IT SEEMS TO STIPULATE THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? IT'S ON PAGE THREE OF FIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. >> Chair Downs: SUBSECTION 52001. >> Cary: UNDER APPEALS. >> YES. THAT DEFINES THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER -- >> I THINK THE LANGUAGE USED TO BE JUST THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THIS BROADENS IT TO ALSO INCLUDE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IN THE CASE OF NON-CONFORMITIES OR DESIGNEE AS APPROPRIATE. IT MAY VARY BASED ON WHAT TYPE OF APPEAL IS BEING REQUESTED. >> Cary: THANKS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW NARROW THAT DECISION MAKING MAY BE AND WHAT THAT MIGHT CREATE FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Lisle: CHAIRMAN? >> Chair Downs: YES, SIR. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: I'M NOT SURE WHO TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION TO. LES SHAT THERE A CITY-INITIATED ZONING THAT MAKES SPECIFIC USES NON-CONFORMING. IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE -- THE CITY WOULD COME DOWN AND SAY YOU NEED TO STOP AND GIVE UP YOUR LAND RIGHTS? >> SO ACTUALLY YOU'RE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD TO WHAT'S GOING TO COME SECOND IN A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE. 929 IS ABOUT THAT -- I THINK YOU CALLEDT A SUNDOWN PROCESS. WE USUALLY CALL IT AMORTIZATION -- SUNSET OR AMORTIZATION. THAT'S IN 929. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TONIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO COME IN ANOTHER CHANGE TO SOME OF THESE SAME SECTIONS. AND WE'LL DO THAT -- WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOU LATER WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER LEGISLATIVE REQUIRED CHANGES. WE SPLIT IT INTO TWO BECAUSE THIS ONE, THIS CHANGE AROSE OUT OF THE NEED TO DEAL WITH NON-CONFORMING USES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> Lisle: AND FROM YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER, I UNDERSTAND THIS TO CREATE A CONSISTENT PROCESS. BUT IS THERE A CONSISTENT PROCESS ON HOW THESE USES WOULD BE AMORTIZED OR IS THAT UP TO THE OFFICIALS THAT ARE NAMED AS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THE DETERMINATION? >> 929 REQUIRES A CONSISTENT PROCESS AND SPELLS OUT, YOU KNOW, IN QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. AND WE DIDT HAVEHAT PROCESS IN OUR ORDINANCE AT ALL. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ALL NEW LANGUAGE. >> Lisle: AND HOW WILL THIS AFFECT NON-CONFORMING USES THAT EXIST BEFORE WE MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES? >> SO NON-CONFORMING USES NOW, THERE WAS NO PROCESS SPELLED OUT TO GET A FORMAL DETERMINATION. SO PEOPLE COULD ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT COULD GIVE THEM AN OPINION. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FORMAL PROCESS THAT SAID, OKAY, FIRST YOU CHECK WITH THESE PEOPLE. THEN YOU GO TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. AND THEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO NOW WE HAVE A FULL ROBUST PROCESS WITH APPEALS AND ALL OF THAT. WHEREAS BEFORE IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMAL, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU HAD A NON-CONFORMING USE OR NOT. >> Cary: THIS SHOULDN'T AFFECT THE OUTCOME. >> IT'S A PROCESS. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYBODY'S CURRENTON-CONFORMING USES OR ANHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST GIVES THEM A PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT HOW -- WHETHER THEIR PROPERTY IS NON-CONFORMING OR NOT. >> Lisle: I CAN THINK OF NON-CONFORMING USES THAT EXIST TODAY. ARE THEY NOW GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THIS NEW LEGISLATION OR ARE THEY SOMEHOW EXEMPTED BY THE NON-CONFORMING LANGUAGE BECAUSE WHEN THEY BECAME NON-CONFORMING NONE OF THIS LANGUAGE EXISTED AT ALL. >> IT WON'T CHANGE ANYBODY'S STATUS. YOU WERE EITHER NON-CONFORMING BEFORE OR YOU WEREN'T NON-CONFORMING. THIS JUST SETS THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD THAT THE CITY WILL USE ANY TIME SOMEBODY ASKS IF THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING OR IF WE GO THROUGH AN ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURE AND THEY RAISE THE DEFENSE OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND WANT TO GO THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. BUT THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT IT THAT CHANGES ANYBODY'S SITUATION, LEGAL STATUS AT ALL. >> Lisle: BUT MY UNDERSTANDING TODAY IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A USE ON A PROPERTY AND YOU ESTABLISH THAT USE LEGALLY AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THE ZONING CHANGED AND YOU BECOME A NON-CONFORMING USE, YOU HAVE RIGHTS IN PERPETUITY AS LONG AS YOU DON'T CEASE THAT USE. DOES THIS SOMEHOW GIVE THE CITY A WAY TO COME IN AND SAY YOU'VE BEEN NON-CONFORMING FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER TWO YEARS AND THEN YOU NEED TO BE DONE? >> NO. NO. THIS LANGUAGE WILL NOT DO THAT. THIS LANGUAGE DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT AMORTIZATION OR SUNSETTING IN IT. 929 HAS LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING IN A FUTURE ORDINANCE. BUT WE'LL BE DOING IT ONLY AS REQUIRED BY STATUTE. THE CITY WON'T BE IMPOSING ANYTHING THAT THE STATE HASN'T ALREADY IMPOSED. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. LET'S CIRCLE BACK. I BELIEVE WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. WAS THAT CAPTURED APPROPRIATELY? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 5. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: AMERICAN FIRST NATIONAL BANK ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1 - BANK ON ONE LOT ON 1.0 ACRE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF K AVENUE, 124 FEET NORTH O19THTREE ZONED PLANNED VELOPMENT-26- LIGHT COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT: AMERICAN FIRST NATIONAL BANK. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> PLANO TV, CAN YOU CHANGE THE SLIDE TO SLIDE 104, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THIS REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO AWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? >> Lisle: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT? >> THIS REPLAT IS DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO K AVENUE. >> Lisle: DEDICATING IT TO WHO? >> DEDICATING TO THE CITY. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> THANKS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE? ALL RIGHT. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 5 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. THERE'S STILL A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE IN HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. IT'S A LONG NIGHT >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: P CHISOLM ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOTS 1 AND 2 - PROFESSIONAL/GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON LOT 1 AND RESTAURANT, RETAIL, AND MEDICAL OFFICE ON LOT 2 ON 4.3 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHISHOLM PLACE, 205 FEET WEST OF U.S. HIGHWAY 75. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NO. 187 FOR RESTAURANT AND NO. 324 FOR PRIVATE CLUB. APPLICANT: RIG CHISOLM PLACE, LLC AND ELAM TOWN HOMES, LLC. THIS IS FOR AD. >> BOTH THE REVISE SITE PLAN AND THE REPLAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: [OFF MIC] >> PRIVATE CLUB IS ALSO KNOWN AS A BAR. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN APPROXIMATE FLOOD ZONE. AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? ARE WE PAVING OVER PARTS OF THE FLOOD ZONE FOR THE PARKING? >> THERE IS A FLOOD ZONE ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF LOT 1. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S QUITE A WAYS AWAY -- >> NO PARKING PROPOSED THERE. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT ALONG THAT CREEK. ANY OTHER QUEIONS? OKAY THANK YOU. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSION? >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM 6 INCLUDING THE REPLAT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. >> . >> Lisle: APPROVED. >>hair Downs: 6-0 THAT CARRIES. 7 . >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 7. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: WEST PARK PRESTON ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 3R - BANK AND RETAIL ON ONE LOT ON 2.2 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND PARK BOULEVARD. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-68-RETAIL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PRESTON ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: MC WEST PARK, LLC. THIS IS FOR . >> THIS REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NO. 7 AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVETEM 7 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 8. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 8. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLATS AND REVISED SITE PLAN: WILLOW BEND POLO ESTATES PHASE B, BLOCK B, LOTS 6R, 11R, AND 14R - THREE PATIO HOME LOTS ON 0.4 ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF OLD WESTBURY LANE, 435 FEET NORTH OF TURTLE CREEK DRIVE. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-423- PATIO APPLICANT: SHADDOCK WBP PLANO, THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONS. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAHA POULADI, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THREE REPLATS AND ONE REVISED SITE PLAN. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST -- >> Chair Downs: SORRY. >> THIS HAS BEEN INTERESTING. THIS ONE KEEPS SURFACING. WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES HERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS DOWN ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS THAT HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING. SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT THIS REPLAT'S ABOUT. >> SO THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA ALLOWS THE BUILDING SETBACK TO BE MODIFIED. IF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE SETBACK REMAINS THE SAME. SO LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN THE MINIMUM TEN-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK AS WELL. THE BUILDERS ARE PROPONG A UNIQUE BUILDING LAYOUT THAT HAS A MIDDLE COURTYARD, ESSENTIALLY. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A 20-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO TEN-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK BUT THEY ARE ADDING A SETBACK TO THE REAR AND TO THE SIDE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY? NOPE? WE'RE GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE WE APPROVE ITEM 8 INCLUDING REPLATS AND REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVE ITEM 8 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVED. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LISLE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING QUICK THERE. YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON, I CAN TELL. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 9. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: ST. ANDREW ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOT 2R - RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 21.2 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND MIRA VISTA BOULEVAR ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-52- SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE-7. APPLICANT: ST. ANDREWS UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. THIS IS FOR A. >> THANK YOU, MS. BRIDGES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEERSNEARING. THIS ITEM? >> WE DO. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM 9 AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE ITEM 9 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 10. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 10. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: ALCATEL USA ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 6R - PROFESSIONAL/ GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE LOCATED ON ONE LOT ON 18.7 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY AND LOTUS DRIVE. ZONED PLANNED RETAIL/GENERAL OFFICE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY D APPLICANT: INDEPENDENCE PLANO BTS, LLC. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTR. >> THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 10, PRELIMINARY REPLAT, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND ALSO THE REVISED SITE PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 10 BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. ITEM 11. WOW, YOU GUYS DREW THE UNLUCKY NUMBER, I GUESS. ARE YOU 12? >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 11. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: HUFFINES PLANO PROPERTIES ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOTS 1-3 - NEW AND USED VEHICLE DEALER ON THREE LOTS ON 10.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND COIT ROAD. ZOD LIGHT INSTRIAL1 AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY D APPLICANT: HUFFINES PLANO PROPERTIES, LP. THIS IS FOR ADM. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. CARY. >> Cary: I'M CURIOUS [OFF MIC] >> CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? >> Cary: WHY ARE THEY DIVIDING THE LOT? >> BECAUSE LOT 2 AS SHOWN ON THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS GOING TO BE A NEW PROPOSED DEALERSHIP, SO THAT BUILDING IS NOT EXISTING TODAY. IT IS GOING TO BE CREATED BY THIS REVISED SITE PLAN. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: MR. RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: A QUESTION ALSO. ON LOT 2, THE PARKING AND ACCESS EASEMENT, WHY DID WE PUT AN EASEMENT THERE INSTEAD OF JUST REVING THE LOT LINE? >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT I BELIEVE IT IS HOW IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. IT WAS EXISTING AS THAT KIND OF PARKING AND ACCESS EASEMENT. THEY'RE CHANGING IT TO FIT THE NEW BUILDING. BUT IT'S USED BY THE OTHER LOTS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEW LOT. >> Ratliff: SO THAT'S BEING ABANDONED BY THIS? >> PARTIALLY ABANDONED. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S BEING ABANDONED AND THEN WHAT'S NOW GOING TO REPLACE IT. >> Ratliff: GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE WE APPROVE NO. 11, PRELIMINARY REPLAT, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGEERING DEPARTMENT. AND ALSO THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF TO APPROVE ITEM 11 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. PLEASE VOTE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. OKAY, GUYS, YOU DIDN'T QUITE WIN THE LOTTERY BUT HERE WE GO. ITEM NO. 12. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 12. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: LEGACY CORPORATE CENTER, BLOCK A, LOT 7R - MEDICAL OFFE ON ONE LOT ON 1.9 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD, 878 FEET NORTH OF LEGACY ZONED GENERAL OFFICE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PRESTON ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: SCHERER I, LTD. THIS IS FOR ADM. >> I PROMISE THIS IS THE LAST ITEM. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: SHE'S GOING, PLEASE GOD. LET THERE BE NO QUESTIONS. [LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, MR. OLLEY HAS A QUESTION. >> Olley: SORRY. A SIMPLE QUESTION. THE EASEMENT IS MERELY FOR WATER OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT PURPOSE FOR THE EASEMENT? >> I BELIEVE THEY ARE PROPOSING A MEDICAL OFFICE ON THIS PROPERTY AND THIS IS A PLAT FOR THAT PRORTY. Olley: SO TWO WATER EASEMENTS. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: WE GOOD? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: WHO IS THE APPLICANT? YOU WIN, DUDE. OKAY. [LAUGHTER] >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I BET THE ONE THING THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR AT THIS POINT IS A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO A FUTURE AGENDA. >> Chair Downs: SO YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION? >> Brounoff: NO. I DO HAVE A MOTION -- >> Chair Downs: LET ME -- [ LAUGHTER ] CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM 12 SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> AND I WILL SECOND. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THANKFULLY A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE ITEM 12 BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE VOTE. MR. LISLE. >> Lisle: APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THAT ITEM CARRIES 6-0. CONGRATULATIONS SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YOU'RE GOING TO HANG OUT FOR A WHILE LONGER? THEY TURN THE LIGHTS OFF IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. I'M JUST SAYING. OKAY. I'M NOT EVEN SURE. ITEM 13. >> ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. >> Chair Downs: DOES ANYBODY WANE MEETING BY ADDING ANOTHER TOPIC? >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: NO? OKAY. OKAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 9:45. >> Lisle: GOOD NIGHT.