okay is there a second second okay all in favor say I I um oppos none and then we're to General business all right jumping in we're going fast because it's 8 88:18 um the first thing I wanted to talk about tonight was the visioning document um this visioning document was kind of used to help build out our the budget before you guys um just some uh kind of highlight lights for 2025 uh long-term financial plan is in there um that has been honors for a few years and admittedly that has been one project that has been pushed back a little bit um as you guys know we currently have an RFQ out for financial consultants and um one of my goals for 2025 would be to whoever we end up choosing whether it's B Baker Tilly or another firm um that we get their direct assistance in putting that together because I know most of them have done that and or help with them so that would be that's in 2025 uh another highlight uh sidewalk expansion and maintenance um that uh we the city was awarded a grant to pay for the construction of a sidewalk along 12th Avenue Southeast near Settlers Park to kind of finish off connecting that neighborhood um uh this will basically be the last addition to get that neighborhood fully connected out with sidewalks um and the City uh previously allocated $43,000 of arpa funding as the City match for putting the plans together for that so that's in there also in there for 25 um both orderly annexation and zoning ordinance updates um kind of piggybacking off the comp plan um we did have strategic plan and a compensation study in there um Str strategic plan being more for the council as a business practice and the compensation study um uh kind of piggybacking off of The Five-Year idea that uh the compensation Studio would be done probably starting in the summer of 25 so that it would then be implemented uh in 2026 certainly not everything in the 2025 but that's kind of high notes uh couple things such as uh City Hall City Hall hours review we have discussed recently um but is getting move to 25 because um if we do anything I foresee it potentially being implemented during next summer but that would be um for further discussions we have as a council and then uh just kind of going forward there were a few things that got moved that were in 25 that got pushed back um for various reasons including uh resurfacing 10th Avenue Southeast that I think got pushed back to 2027 um just due to trying to line up with other projects and what Matt thought they could do for um keeping it together I know last winter being very mild helped quite a bit in that uh We've also had an additional Wastewater employee um in 2025 since kind of the Inception of the document uh the reason that was pushed back is uh Matt said that as the pl plant ages we know that additional maintenance is needed and then additional employee will be needed we're just not sure when it is um he thinks we can go at least another year without that um and then there were some protective gear that we talked about for the police department that Tim said is not necessarily needed in 25 and so um that stuff does have expiration dates and so you buy it it suddenly gets on the clock so push that back one thing I did also add in 2027 um and it's just a thought for certainly future discussions over the next couple years um but at the end of 2027 I included uh something I coined as the tri Creek Park and trail system um my idea being that uh setting aside potential a small amount of funds year over year over year um to grow a pot that would then work with property owners who surround um three major Creeks Phillips Creek Sand Creek and Raven stream um to buy up property and eventually have enough to be able to um build a trail system and or manage the creek property a little bit better um far into the future as those funds increase but um that would be something that I don't think we would even even start potentially working towards until 27 um and would certainly be something for long-term discussions as to um building out the park system so are there any questions Andor additions subtractions um on the visioning document how um now you know streets are aging out in the other developments um they'll probably just need overlays you know and um some concrete repairs a little repairs there are we going to assess property owners for that or is that going to be a because you know I mean everybody I believe there is a street reconstruct assessment I believe it is much I believe it's smaller than the full reconstruct I don't know what is off the top of my head and that's certainly something that we can discuss as we get into it um but I believe it's currently in our policy that we can or or could I I not can could because I'm I'm just thinking you know what if an overly fails in five years who's going to pay for that you know we can't go back and assess and it could happen you know some I'm just saying you know and and I guess maybe that's a question for Matt he knows better practices of how often Mill and overlays fail you know we we or we have an area that you know we've been putting uh fuel code on that just starts giving us problems like 12 did out there that time um and we probably overlaid it sooner than what we add to you know I'm I'm just trying to think ahead there a little bit Yeah so in 2019 we did a CIP project that uh did was 7th Street 37 then we did a bunch of um over Lane in that lady slipper north of Ace Hardware area yep I don't remember the dollar figure they were assessed but it was much I want to say like $44,000 instead of the normal 9,000 Street assessment it was so again don't quote me on that dollar figure but it was a low amount um no and I know your your thinking has changed about seal coating and stuff you know I mean are we sticking that money are we still kind of kind of still living for it and sticking it to overlays versus codings no that dollar figure just disappeared took it out of there actually it disappeared it just it kept the levy lower that the following year when we took that $150,000 out um yeah I guess I would strongly recommend the council never to seal a Cod again after all the studies we've done we do have a seal coating out there that's still failing right now on 11 Street Southeast 11 Street Circle Southeast right off First Avenue we've just been patching it um so I would tell you long longterm goals I think this winter we'll have to sit down with Chris and talk about Millan overlays and stuff like that but uh we have First Avenue Southeast that we're working with the county right now that most likely will be done in 2026 because that is a County Road um and then after that I would say a millon overlay round about something with 10th Avenue um in 2026 and then after that I anticipate Mill and overlays only for hopefully years curb replacement no hopefully spot repair of curb that's what I meant oh yeah that's what I meant yeah so very less invasive and it would be one of those things I think we should seriously consider at least some sort of assessment and I only say that in that um a lot of this these underground pipes I mean they may last us they're telling us 60 7080 years that's the hope that none of us ever have to see the pipes in front of our house dug out of the ground um but you're probably going to Mill an overlay every 20 25 years and so um there will be a lot of obviously there will there are people that stay in their house 30 40 50 years um there's also a lot of turnover that happens and those assessments get paid off by previous homeowners and and the like and so I don't think I mean we don't have any coming up this year and if we end up doing First Avenue Southeast in 26 we won't have any that year but by the time we get to 10th and I don't even know if we I think there's a very few when we looked at it that would even be hit by 10th but I think it will be a discussion the council has to have as as to whether we will be assessing for um Mill and overlays full Mill and overlays of streets basically curb to curb or and if we do how much we end up assessing assessing for those yeah I guess that's my point and we don't have a lot of contractor roads anymore do we you mean private roads yeah have a couple don't we MH yeah there's probably yeah I mean a couple of around Sean's place um well we took care of a couple of them couple we did do them to our standard Village and part of Jillian but still a part of Jillian in pra Street and oh yeah up by Coburn's and you did you did do Millan overly on them too on the contract road we made the homeowners association build it to our standard I can't remember not build to our standards huh yeah they're not built our standards oh they're not Oh I thought that was required no it was not they had to do they had to put some money away and they had to do they had to pay for full inspections of all sanitary storm um but yeah those streets are not built to a city streets back until re well well yeah someday yeah [Music] okay so I guess are there any questions on the visioning document before we go forward I know like I said kind of use that to kind of build out the the budget that you guys have and so if not we can jump into health and dentals since we have more information from our since our last meeting go ahead yep so at our last meeting um we kind of talked about that we didn't have any specifics yet um but that we had a 15 roughly a 15% cap I think it was 15 or 15.1 um and it did end up coming in at 14.9 if we were to stick with our uh existing plan as it is uh with a rate cap of 19% to if we stay in the pool in 2026 so um in the memo I did kind of lay out what our rates have been over the last five years um with 2020 being our highest increase kind of over the last five years at 10 and a half um in 21 we hit zero we did have a slight increase in 22 a large decrease in 23 and then a u increase of six for uh 20 4 within the packet um I did kind of share some options that were shared with us uh these options were shared by G Gallagher because they are similar in plan structure though there are certainly more options out there um they pretty well range um like I said kind of the same structure with an HSA and increase the deductible and out of-pocket Max as well as some of them also uh include a a co- Insurance portion after you're deductible so with our current plan for employees if you're single um you basically pay all medical costs up until 2250 and then the plan picks it up from there mine's going really slow and not loading uh I do know options one two and three that's on this sheet correct you're talking about incorrect this this is numbers as we get into it I was trying to mine just won't lo I guess to look at this is separate handed out yeah this one right here yeah all right so yes so I guess going through those options real fast um option one and two increase both the deductible and the aut of pocket max while including ins co- insurance and option three was the most like our current plan except it just in increased the uh acket Max and deductible up to uh was it 30 3300 and 6600 for families so that would be roughly a $1,000 and $22,000 increase on the deductible if we were to move to that option three plan which I do I recommend in my um memo instead of having a 14.9% increase in 2025 you would see a 4.7% increase um it would also drop our cap from 19% down to 177% for 2026 um now that being said I I do think there are funding options um possible to help ease that transition for employees and that is what um the numbers are included on that sheet that I handed out there in front of you uh running the numbers on that um with the potential increased in aapocket cost for employees uh there would be a total Savings of about $66,000 um to the general fund for switching to option three which would just be slightly raising the deductibles year-over-year they all say option three so okay so the green one the green one the green one the green one is just the just and keeping the HSA the same while raising the deductible not a pocket max if we were to um switch to option three and now moving on to the pink one but double the HSA contribution that would slightly offset the balance uh potential increased cost for employees while still saving the city $34,000 over the current existing plan does that make sense so um and then as as we were just toying with numbers so that you guys would have the options and see the numbers if we were to um increase the HSA contributions um by slightly more that's where that You could argue Peach salmon however fancy you want to get with it um last color is raises them by 750 and, 1500 uh you would still be seeing a savings to the uh general fund of $20,000 and a total save to all funds of $32,000 and so as I look at this um it is certainly the council's ability to um choose with where they want go um but I would recommend seriously giving thought to the pink plan um that would increase the deductibles not a pocket max for city employees I know speaking with um Gallagher they said that option three here that we're talking about is probably one of their more popular options they see across local governments um and then it would also the pink bar does rate raise the HSA contribution to allow um kind of a transition into that higher deductible for city employees uh forear reading since mine's not loading here I did also include in that health and dental information kind of a um data from where Gallagher had done a survey of surrounding communities on kind of what their premiums and plans are as well as what their HSA contributions if they have them are for your guys' information um so what are your guys' thoughts on health insurance you're working off of this and you're not on on the packet right right now my packet is showing up as a white screen so I am I'm working off you're doing a little better to me I'm working off of packet memory at this point um so but so you don't have a page number so it'd be page 20 30 yeah so I'm doing there's a lot of information on the memo which should be at the very front but yeah a lot of the health insurance documents kind of start in the in the middle in the middle kind of the color pages that uh I see Dwayne and Sean holding so we need to have this decision by October 15th because that's when the enrollment is that right am I reading that right renewal decisions yep Robin do you remember exactly when we have to have our renewal decision buy I believe it's October is it it says oob 15th on here right that yeah that may be right then yeah that would be like that would be the we've got time I know last year we felt crunched and so we pushed hard on them so we have time okay I just want to know what the date is so as we move forward in this budget process we can have time to we also have open enrollment on October 30th so while we have time it's a quick turnaround the sooner we know the better yeah to prepare employees for open enrollment and submit any changes to the company and like new demographic effect which I think that probably outlines without looking at that page so okay so basically my point is I'd rather not be like hey it's the 14th let's oh no I don't want that either but no I just you know I don't know if you're looking for a specific answer I mean this is all great information but I want to see how it plays out in the bigger picture of everything yep yeah I mean and so that's kind of why I I include we included I shouldn't say I Robin put it together um included kind of the sheet that talked about these savings so where the budget sits currently and kind of talking through these will get us to the preliminary which is kind of the last thing I believe I've got on the list here um but I I I guess I'd love to get feedback from you guys on health insurance plans is it is it certainly something that know I I've kind of heard from employees I we really want to hold our current plan um we we could be a little bit flexible and maybe move to an option three um we we'd like the idea of maybe increasing the HSA to offset we don't like that idea something to give us something to work with CU I know um it it's nice to continue to talk while we certainly want to look at this in the bigger scope of the whole budget but staff we also like guidance so we can continue to try to shape this um as the process goes along too well I'd like to minimize obviously the effect to the employee um but yet we haven't touched this since 2011 I don't think I mean the difference of the the the HSA contribution utions and whatnot then what we and when we did we offset it by giving a higher percentage tied it in with the compensation study and then made up I can't remember exactly how we did it but we ended up making up the difference for the employees even though we raised we went from 9010 to 8020 I think is where we went but I think in reality though you would find across the board every company with health insurance going up they're just going to be a bigger chunk that I think employees are going to have to accept and have to use deal with and that's where I kind of saw this move to the option three which does increase the deductibles ultimately in the out-of pocket costs that would get hit by employees and my thoughts with the then HSA contribution increase it doesn't make up for the whole Gap but it does make up a little bit of that Gap while still allowing the city to save money over the existing health insurance so I just think moving forward that's kind of the personally for me mentality that we have to take every year that the you know as those rates go up it can't be 100% employer funded there always has to be a chunk and it's not I mean we're still be operating under the 8020 right but this still goes back to that's why you get a cola because this is a set cost that it goes up with everybody just like gas or just like electricity so that you know so if we're adding to the cola why would we necessar you know if we're giving you a cola cost of living increase why would we still maintain the same but I mean I mean just look at it again I'm still trying don't get me wrong I I want to minimize what we can to the employee because that's what I wish my employer would do oh yeah and and I can say just just so I'll say it Cola isn't just health insurance I mean Cola kind of wraps up everything everything but this would be certainly one thing it would certainly be one thing that you would say yes it would that like Cola would help to offset stuff like increased cost of insurance correct right right just the uh number three on this sheet match up with the sourcewell column number three it yeah if it says option three on that sheet that I can't get to load uh yes and So the plan is basically the same as the existing plan with the increased um deductible and out of pocket and the O the only other change then is that the plan becomes embedded instead of aggregate so our current plan is aggregate which you learn a lot sitting in these meetings with insurance reps but egri basically means that if I'll say I'm on I'm on a family plan if uh my oldest well we'll just take my number three for example she was in the emergency room on January 1st and we hit our out of pocket max by 2 o'clock on January 1st this year um she hit 40 4450 or whatever $4,500 we had to pay that full $4,500 because that's the a of pocket max for a family under an embedded plan you have a the single of this one single 33 autopot family is 6600 she is she is considered a single within the family so the most that I would have had to pay under this plan if she went to the emergency room would be 3,300 and she could continue to occur for the rest of the year and we wouldn't see another bill now if a second person they would then start kicking on to add into that family plan does that make sense to get to the 66 to get to the 6 the other 33 yeah the other 33 so um it it is the family plan and that I owe for the full 6600 but it's embedded in that a single person within my family only has to pay no more than the single rate um that is the other would be the other big change and so it's possible that um emplo while the deductible for a family goes up that an employee with a family plan may actually pay less under this plan if nobody else in their family has any events that year so that those are the two big changes that would be under this option three and we were looking at a bigger increase a couple months ago weren't we so the blue bar the blue bar at the top would be if we were to keep what we have our existing plan as it is um would increase the uh plan amount by 15.1% we'd see a cost increase moving to the option three we would see a 4.7% increase over 2024 okay but but less yeah so so so the green one would be if we keep the HSA contributions the same we'd see a 4.7% increase in health insurance costs over 2024 the pink one and the uh salmon color peach whatever we're going to call it uh would be what the savings would be to the general funds if we were to increase the HSA contribution in addition to that over the current plan in blue so the first one it's almost double really what's that I mean we we almost reduce it 50% I mean from if we kept the HSA contribution at 500 and a th000 our total savings is 644 6 644 yes and then the other one is 347 yeah so so so it would cost the general fund about $30,000 if we were to increase the contribution um still saving $34,000 from the existing plan right okay okay I got it all right so other questions or maybe Direction on what we see here to try to piece this together a little bit just so I understand the the number three Source wheell plan and is that after deductible is met is it not an 8020 or 9010 it's 100% correct one and two would have like an 8020 split you'd hit the deductible and then You' have that 8020 split up to the autop pocket max for the number three plan it matches what our current plan is is once you hit that deductible the deductible is also your a of pocket max so you're just done all right so you're saying the so so so it says deduc go with color coding so we can keep it straight okay green it doesn't matter green would be the one we got right now blue is what we have right now blue is the one we got right now the other colors don't align with the page that says 2025 medical renewal alternativ those other options aren't listed on the colored sheet we only put option three from page 42 because they all say option three all option three they're all option three with varying degrees of HSA contribution got you that's about all that's changed and the deductible because other ones had a co-pay and the deductibles so now I'm looking at just the blue and white sheet page 42 of your packet those had different deductible amounts um the 20% co-pay so we just compared on the colored separate handout sorry Josh if I'm stepping um we just compared on the separate handout um number three but just so I know how why why did you recommend number three over number two or the renewal of number one yep so my recommendation of number three was that um it has taken the plan that we're on and just adjusted it and obviously increased the autop pocket cost for employees um but it's kept our insurance as similar to what we have now um because it's 100% plan yeah yeah it's basically very similar to the plan now we've just adjusted it safer inflation we've we've as Sean said like Health costs have gone up and so it adjusts our our current plan that employees have gotten used to operating under I I I'm not saying that they'd be opposed to the co insurance but it's also entire like it's it's a New Concept that they'd say well I hit my deductible not like why am I still having to pay and so it it was an attempt to try to bridge that the HSA contribution the insurance company doesn't give a frog's fat ass about that that correct the the HSA is that just helps you off at the 3,300 and the 6600 correct right so that's just money that the employer is putting in to their HSA you can use against the higher deductible correct I don't have a lot to compare against but the existing plan we currently had last year is pretty competitive actually compared to the on I'm if if you look at the stuff that Gallagher put out it is a highly comp yeah you're it's a highly competitive plan I think you say I know that the city was on the low we'll say on the lower side of how much money it was giving for HSA contributions but I think the plan itself was probably one of the more competitive plans in my plan that I got from school was similar to this but was a 8020 after deductible I'm just surprised at the 100% I don't see that as often well there is plans that don't pay they do pay 8020 right right we don't have that option here listed but it is and that's Sav that might even well it is from say it is in there option one and option two on and and it's not on this funding sheet it's on this it's on that sheet that showed the various options that they handed out um option one and two were 8020 [Applause] plans well I think it's good information it's a good starting point I I appreciate the opportunity to look at and so I'll let you guys know the current budget is based off of our current plan and so the the budget before you is based off of the blue plan off the blue plan off the blue plan that's good to know um now going into the dental we did also receive Dental rates um I don't have an exact recommendation at this point though um being that we received rates uh from four different companies Delta Dental who we currently have um Health Partners and then MetLife and guardian so when it came in Delta d Dental came in with our basically keeping our current plan with an 8% increase uh MetLife uh guardian and Health Partners all proposed a 10% plus decrease for 2025 um and guard Guardian went as far as to give us no rate increase for 2026 um Health Partners In addition to being a 12% decre decrease also has a couple various programs that the others don't um including uh various things for miners Andor seniors I believe uh potentially on the plan that allows them free dental care that aside the reason I don't have a recommendation right now is only because I ask aler to do a check to make sure that these people actually have dentists that they cover in new prag it wouldn't do us any good to say let's switch to MetLife dental and the closest dentist is 25 miles away um so right now our budget is set up as the 8% increase of Delta Dental um just until we can actually get that information so I'm going to make the wild assumption that we're going to go with one of the other three that give us a 10% decrease on our rate but I don't want to say which one or make that formal recommendation until we actually have the number in front of us and we know where people can go to the dentist so okay and I'm I'm just conf because I'm trying to think of whatever one that I was used to but um I mean Delta Dental you can go almost anywhere they seem to be anywhere yeah but I do know that in the past I've had dentists when my insurance has changed in the private sector that I've gone to the dentist and they've said oh yeah well we can fill we'll fill out the paperwork to become that yep metti carrier yeah or whatever and then I've even run into because I like to keep my dentist yep they said well we don't we're we'll go with Met Life let's say but we're going to um charge we're not necessarily going to go with every one of their prices so there might be so sometimes I'll get a bill for $40 or whatever 400 but okay yeah so Delta D would have paid the whole thing yeah so I like I said I we we've got still time like the health insurance on that one but just to let you guys know we may not end up staying with Delta Dental I just want to make sure we have carrier information before we make that decision so that way our employees know hey you can keep the it's all the same dentist in town or hey this dentist you can't but everyone else you can or that sort of thing so um but our current budget as for you has the 8% increase in it for can I just clarify Josh we have 10% increase in the budget for dental be coming down I guess and the colorful sheet includes a 12% decrease because of the three other than Delta Dental the other three would be a minimum of a 12 12% decrease so the colorful sheet includes a 12% decrease as we feel that would be the minimum we would see if we went with one of the other carriers so blue is 12% blue is a 10% Dental increase yeah yeah blue blue would be the 15% Health increase and a 10% Dental increase and I like my dentist too but if I he's not covered he's not covered you know I mean I hope the employees understand that too I mean if we're looking at budget you know it's not like I mean I was involved with the employer came to me and said and I think my hope is with three of them one of them at least covers the network fairly well that would be my home I mean I ran into that with the county all of a sudden went to a doctor all my life and then got on to County insurance and had to switch doctors and that I think is worse than switching dentist this is going to be a fun the carrier is sourcewell that's the name of the help insurance company so our health insurance is under Health Partners right now which is like so sourcewell is the group that we're part of okay sourcewell is the name of the group but but it's not the carrier for the insurance our current carrier is Health Partners but it's switching to Blue Cross so uh Health Partners or sourcewell whoever is the contract uh is Mayo in in uh Network correct yeah so for our for our current health partners plan Mayo's in network and when we switch to Blue Cross as far as I'm aware our Network work really isn't changing I'm supportive of going pink but I would the sooner you make the decision the better in my mind because these do take time oh for sure yes so I I would really recommend you to decide and and it's entirely something I would say maybe at our next meeting because we will be setting our preliminary Levy we can also have our health insurance you have to give the employees so many days notice too I think you I'm not sure are you switching calendar year January we Swit January 1 so I think you have to let them know by whatever they have to commit by a certain time I think it said October 15th in here right I'm not sure employees don't have opens at October October 30th and it'll probably be open for three weeks or something or two weeks usually something like that I guess were there any health other insurance questions at this point no okay CIP is the next one number three on here um W with the directive to try to get the initial um Levy increase down um we did take a look at stuff um just some highlight some of the things that ended up either basically getting delayed in the CIP are you going on to page 53 then which page are we on now I believe so as someone who's not working in packet I think it is just keep going see IP yeah what pages no we're on page four of this yeah or here yes yeah so I'm working off the narrative right there I think page four he's talking about the supporting documents 53 for the attachment yeah 53 page attachment attachment on page 53 so some of the things that got reduced and or pushed back on the CIP um was uh the Community Development Department desks chairs um privacy panels got reduced from 35 to 25 ,000 could I ask a question on that yeah um on the previous budget that was with the CIP it was listed as 40,000 it was listed as 40 so what happened there is it was originally listed as 40 and before you guys ever saw it I reduced it to 35 and then did not but I saw it well did not do all my cross reference checks and the CIP one didn't where it got changed in the budget and in the packet it didn't get changed on the CIP so the CIP now has been cross referenced over and back with everything so the numbers should line up that's why it went you saw this disc at the end of the last year the CIP showed that you were going to spend $110,000 so yeah correct yes yes that that was $110,000 that's for this year for this year that was attempting to take no it was $10,000 for 2025 I think I know I know it's in I thought it was for 2024 because it was in the budget for 2024 um as we were trying to take a smaller bite out of of the Apple in carpet and paint and uh window coverings that are all 30 years old okay I can look again but I thought it was $10,000 in 2025 for Bill ining inspection Furniture da da d da D but I can double check it so I just thought you were doing something more it it's it's adding it it's adding on top of that 10,000 okay what who's the Community Development Department that's basically my department that's that's K whole office where dab and K and Scott and oh all those guys okay all right okay he wants to watch the Twins game so he needs it yeah of note a lot of that actually could be paid right out of the building inspection fees that they collect I know we've had some very good years um and so a lot of that Revenue that's already come into the city just kind of going back into that department call Ted Mond be good de more THC viations cigarette viol that's what he got caught doing uh another one kind of the second dot there I have uh if you're reading through the memo um like Sean is uh talked to Steve and Steve said we could delay the purchasing of radios for the Department um so that is reducing the fire department radios from 25,000 down to zero for 2024 um we also um kind of after the conversation um Matt had us remove the $100,000 from the government facilities that we T kind of talked about just putting away money year-over-year um removing that at least for 2024 or 2025 um to help kind of bring that Levy down and then um reducing uh Community Development is also working with a depart vehicle that you can hear from about 18 miles away as it's racing up on you to check out your inspection um violations and so um a new vehicle has been costing the city usually about $35,000 so that's what we had in there last time we did reduce that down to 20 um thinking we could find a good vehicle that's a few years old that we could certainly come in under the 20 grand I know as someone that's been looking for a vehicle you can certainly find a three or four year old car with about 30,000 miles on it um for around that 20 or less than $220,000 so what I thought we were just using like old police cars say case but I I know that uh Wastewater Department also has a vehicle that I think you can hear from 18 miles away and we only have so many police cars that we'd be running through a given year and so either Wastewater or Community Development may get one and then the other department may have to how many miles would those let's say those current cars have on them I mean are they 200,000 or should we just fix them for a few thousand dollars I they don't I guess I mat could probably speak better for the Wastewater car I know the Community Development car was a the police investigations car before Community Development had it and I honestly it feels like it basically the check engine lights coming on about every two weeks and so I think the bigger issue with that is frame is literally rusting apart on it oh well that's OB exhaust is Rusted off oh okay right that's enough okay so yeah I mean we we certainly do try to fix these as far as we can get them because and many times it does make more sense and we are lucky enough that Matt's been able to find guys that have skills across trades of a lot of Public Works departments don't have the amount of skills ours has so that that is what is currently listed in the CIP going forward um I guess are there any direct CIP questions before we get into the preliminary Levy well I the fire department is okay Steve for no radios I mean is have to push out a year I know but did eight last year and do another eight this year and another eight following year yeah you're doing some of right the rural the rural splits the cost so the total purchase for the radius would be 50,000 25,000 so you're going to do the part that the rural is paying for this next year uh we could I suppose essentially because they would still be board yeah that's what it said shows anyway does it well and that's because we haven't had a chance to talk to the rural yet and so they've always matched the and so that's just there because that's more of an FYI to show that the Ral yeah the agreement was that it was 5050 so I don't know if they're going to I know I'm just thinking you know we got I sent a grant thing I don't know if for a grant we're just not sure if we got it yet but there was another one that I sent uh from Taylor company and yes I don't know if we're doing it or not but I I know we've been applying to a number of Grants that's probably just about all kir seems to do anymore is apply for money for us um and I feel like I checked with her and we either have applied for it or was on her list of things to apply for I know that yeah like Steve said we have we have applied for a grant that would basically cover the cost of all of the radios correct Steve uh no because the grant isn't very big so it covered for I believe this year oh okay didn't we have any more of that arpa money left over or uh we did and the arpa money uh is now being recommended to be used um within the budget on a uh and I was going to get to that into the pr Levy discussion um we are I got to go back scroll down the sheet before we jump into the arpa do we have any other CIP direct questions at this well I I just want to voice my my issue with the fire department radios I mean it's hard you see cities all over that can't fill their volunteer fire department and I think we've been really good because we've always met all their needs and now we're scrambling to find now we got a pull 25 grand out from under underneath them and um I just have an have an issue with that I don't uh uh let alone I and I don't understand enough about the radios but maybe that's a a safety issue too for those guys you know that if they don't have working I can take that one Sean this is something that I brought to their table that this is an area we could push off a year um we got we did have failing radios we still have failing radios we got the eight last year which uh fix that I I do feel we could push this off the Year and we' be fine okay what about the 30 other guys that you they're on board with it they are M we're not the bad guys no okay I'm the bad guy so if I go to the fish fry I'm not going to get surrounded by 15 of them and no they won't pull the PIP okay all right not to muddy the water but could you just give a a quick um um answer or what what is the public safety that we got last year that 300 some thousand that's sitting there at the end of the year yep so that Public Safety yeah that Public Safety a if you remember part of it went to paying the SRO salary to offset the difference that we were getting for for this 2024 for 2024 okay we also had a few other items on there I can't remember what they are up top of my head so 350 but I think it got us down to roughly $150,000 left if I'm remembering correctly okay um when we then had the fire tank issue we basically said okay we need money right now so let's use that Public Safety money to get our air air packs replaced and then um hopefully through some sort of settlement or whatnot we will then be able to replenish and use that money for stuff like this but so of the 359,000 at the end of last year we're down to like uh 75,000 we're probably down to zero those air packs were over $200,000 okay okay thanks that was the number that was sticking in my head to Bruce because yes I think initially this 25,000 was going to go towards in 2024 we have 25,000 of that allocated for radios last the radios we currently got came out of that fun yeah all right so then I guess rolling into the levy discussion page number five on the memo I don't know where it is on the five on the memo I don't know if there's a direct page number of attachments other than various um the whole budget budget regular attachment so um the levy increase that we brought you last week or here two weeks ago was 15.75% um kind of talked about some of the reasons why it was tighter the general direction I got from the councils you guys wanted to see that closer to 10% if we could um so we did go back to the drawing board um ultimately the decrease that's showing up in your packet right now would be an 11.24% increase over 2024 um some of the changes that were made to get there include uh removing $100,000 from government buildings to go for uh future maintenance and or Renovations um uh a decrease to the part-time fire department wages of $5,000 down to 45,000 um with this budget uh Chief was initially um planning on asking for a training pay increase from 650 to 14 um but is now proposing an increase to $1 per hour um as well as uh increasing the on call pay from $13 to $14 per hour uh we would also be delaying the purchase of radios in the fire department um which would as we talked about remove $25,000 um we would be reducing office equipment purchases for the Community Development Department by $110,000 um we would be we did increase the revenue slightly on the Community Development permit um by $10,000 this is a very conservative guess because I hate to increase something that we're really reliant on but we year over year- over year continue to beat our current estimates and so I do think we are safe adding 10,000 to that Revenue Source um and then I increase the use of fund balance by $67,000 that is the AR remaining arpa fund you're talking about um basically with that that would offset a couple mowers or something like that on the CIP um my idea with that since we do have to have it allocated spent or allocated by the end of 2024 would be that assuming that is the route we go I would say come December we then order the mowers which puts that money under officially allocated we would then pay upon receipt in the New Year in 25 whenever that would formally hit the budget so that would work for those um all of these adjustments did allow us to reduce the property Levy down to 4,291 715 um which would see a general fund increase of for little under 14 a half but looks at a total increase of 11.24 um I guess with this um and knowing that as we talked about there's even health insurance stuff that's going to potentially bring this down um I would recommend I guess at this point setting the preliminary Levy at 133% increase um Which is higher than where it currently stands but it does allow that slight wiggle room in case something should come up um that we need to adjust for later in the year but would like I said hopefully we would be coming in um lower than the 11 as is currently shown in the budget how number five how's that going to help us uh number five is not affected by the levy number five the golf management contract um is funded through the golf board and so that um it's on there because we certainly um want to talk about that sooner than later but I'm talking about it after the levy since it doesn't affect the levy what's the drop dead day that we have to set the preliminary Levy the end of September the idea would be that at our next meeting usually the second meeting September is when we set it otherwise you're calling a special meeting to set that preliminary Levy which to be honest with you I'd like to have budget meetings just specific to budget instead of tying them in at 9:15 because and and this one got late I mean the last one it worked well I think we had a half hour meeting and then we met for about 45 minutes to an hour this one the public hearing right jumped in the way but I know it it's also difficult sometimes for people with all the meetings that we have to be able to make a set aside another meeting and so by having them after the meeting the hope would be that they take no more than an hour which we are roughly around an hour at this point um and that you're not having to just set us find another time where everybody can get I I with Sean on that one I'd rather sit down and have a workshop get the budget done I'm going page two page 95 page 47 J three retired people for sure on the council with Magie now so they got plenty of time I prefer it this way just to be counter because having all the meetings retired people doesn't mean you don't do anything I know I was joking a little bit but but yeah I just I just feel better when I can concentrate on the budget as we start to get into this and start digging at it at from 5 to seven or something specific to the budget not with me trying to remember to ask about these questions and that questions and listening to them and making sure their answers get answered and I just personally I I mean I I understand your your take on it to Bruce and it's not like I like to have more meetings but um you can do both ways I guess y so we could alternate or something I don't well I appreciate as far as the levy part of it that you you've worked and uh got it down to 11 .2 I I still would rather see a 10 number and like I I think I think we'll get there once the health insurance stuff gets ironed out okay because like I said these these numbers include the in the 10% increase for dental and the 15% increase for health insurance even if you average 10 for the last divide by two two it's still the biggest percentage increases in my memory that we would have had new pray oh most certainly um so I yeah I guess I'm just wondering where you guys sit with the preliminary 13 that way um yeah ideally I would say we'd set that preliminary Levy at our next meeting and then we'd go from there we get that requirement out of the way I support that yeah I mean again it's pre preliminary I you know we can set it at whatever I mean just yeah we have to have do you know is there a homestead exemption this year that wasn't last year am not aware I know there's always talk every year about adjusting where the homestead exemption exemption lands I don't know if it actually got anywhere because I I have one in my uh projected 2025 that you had and I didn't have it last year and and and maybe it because I said I know they were talking about it at legislature this past spring and so maybe something with that went through like there is something that that changes there well it would make sense when you look at the graph that Scott County gave you why if your property doesn't go up it only goes up 3% I think based on this Levy increase and that would be because your Market taxable market value in your house went down because of it's deducted so that would explain that if that's what happened did you get your things already it's what we get with our property tax and yeah usually when they send it out they send out a preliminary 25 too yeah I guess I didn't look at that too close okay and I know there was something I got something in the mail or or saw something about what you just said you got Scott counties already no no this is what you get with your property you get oh oh oh I thought you got some okay get June or something or you know the preliminary Levy though too Josh you had on here was that FR in increases due for a few reasons with a large reason being that the city had a 0% increase in 2024 it wasn't zero it was no we just copied which year before which was 4.24% no no we copied the total Levy the levy was at 4 million 800 and change that's we didn't copy 4.2% we copied 4 800 in change and so we had a true 0% increase okay for 23 into 24 yeah and which given that property values went up even should have given us more money on top of it really right which yeah I mean so because of that I think and obviously not everybody but I would like myself personally my property taxes went down for the city in 2024 due to the Z increase because commercial valuations saw a large hit yes and residentials either pretty well stayed flat obviously some people's went up but pretty well stayed flat so I would guess the major majority of residences across the city saw a decrease in city tax dollars in 24 they didn't now maybe for school district and C's years might have gone up which might have shifted stuff but some assessment well that's the government's fault you going to take that up with your local uh councilmen about assessments anyway okay so so if I'm getting that correctly I will bring back a resolution for 13% um preliminary at the next meeting um and if you guys are all right with it we'll certainly bring back the health insurance discussion to have again at the next meeting yes because we should have more information or we should be hopefully we'll have hopefully we'll have the dental stuff nailed down and if you guys have any other health insurance questions that come up before then please let me know so we can try to answer those and if we can get um like Bruce and Robin said the sooner we can get that answered I think the the cleaner it is for everybody yeah yeah so when do we foresee the next budget meeting whether it's after that meeting or whether it's so the next planed budget meeting would be for the after the first meeting in October unless the council wants to meet again before that or wants to go on a different night but yeah when when we initially put out the schedule um October yeah the planed schedule it was to basically piggy back on the first meeting of every month uh which would have given us five total budget meetings does that give Robin enough time if we got to have that information in by the 14th if we're now we're within a week well that's a good point too well and and that's why I said by bringing it up at the next meeting the next true city council meeting which will be September 16th um that would allow discussion there um and potentially having it a month early or we could say hey let's get together to talk about this again in a week or something like that yes uh just for you guys information uh we do have police Union stuff so I did want to talk about that after the next meeting as well also there'll be a closed meeting also okay really already seems like we we only did a one-year contract with them was that oh yeah we couldn't agree on terms if you remember or the length of the contract I feel we're pretty along far along with the budget is there any particular concerns you have Sean with with the budget is we've covered quite a bit of things um well I mean obviously the insurance I want to see what the the that the insurance when that finally comes in where's it at um I'm not real comfortable with the 10% but I think I'm already outvoted on it because based on what I read in the paper you and Dwayne and Rick are okay with it I know Maggie wasn't but um according to the paper but other than that um you know I still want to have time to digest it and look at it and see if there's things we can skinny down things we we can maybe not do or put off I mean um oh I agree with you there too I mean we got to start someplace no specific so I don't have anything specific speaking for insurance is there other information you'd like because like I said the dental one obviously I'd like to get their carriers but is there more specific health insurance stuff that you'd like to see I don't not necessarily because I I guess what I'm curious about is like you said you guys put in high amounts and we're expecting to change there so if it actually you know 10% less or if we go with Delta Dental it's negative it's 12.6% yep what does that mean to the overall budget yeah so looking at this colored sheet um again if you're making real General assumptions you can assume $5,000 equals 1% yeah and I think it's actually almost spot on this year um so if you were to go with the the green option which would be to change keep the HSA contribution where it's at um while switching to this other plan you'd see a decrease of $64,000 assume with the dental change worked in there so that would be roughly one and A3 per that that would bring you down off of the 1124 so okay that's a smidge under 10 um your 30 $34,000 you're looking at more 66% down so then you're looking at roughly 10.6 or something like that percent if you were to go with the slightly raised contribution with the change in health insurance plan and so we certainly have those numbers and I mean I can shoot those percentages out to you guys if you want to look at that percentage well I'll be honest too I'm kind of waiting to get my second half of my tax statement too so I can look I could probably find the one I got in April but we get another one in September here right for October have till after we mail out yeah I believe it comes in like November if I remember right but at the same time Sean if you like your tax statement we can all that information is available the on the County website I just want to see how much my home value in the area is or maybe you know what that is well that's what I mean I can pull your tax statement for you and email it too if you'd like me to okay it's it's pretty easy to get a hold of okay or just give me the website I can do it too it yeah I I I can shoot you the website yeah you can go look up your information or if you want to get real nosy on Chuck and see what he pays for taxes you can certainly do that too but all public uh yeah I can I can get that information to you and the reason I want he takes a lot of notes I'm sure he's already writing down that I'm going to send to you when I forget well I'm just curious because if let's say the houses went up 6% over as an average a new C or whatever obviously the 10% that I'm paying is includ that 6% is off that value of that house right yeah I mean yeah so I I did include in your packets and um you can look at uh the uh the summary of assessment data it's kind of it's actually I think the very last thing in the budget portion of your packet um you can kind of look at where the general increases for residential oh you know what for commercial very end there so yeah if that's you guys are okay with 13 for just the prelim I'll certainly bring that back so now my final question is before we all run away is do we want to talk golf manager contract stuff tonight I know you guys had mentioned that you wanted to see it early and so I had the golf board look at it in August so that we could look at it first thing in September this year um so that way if we want to go back and forth on it certainly we certainly have that ability to at this point it really has no effect on the levy you said so I mean it which is kind of why I had it after the preliminary Levy discussion because yeah it wasn't it's not vital to get done by the end of the month here you guys wanted to see it early which is why had it come in yeah no I think there's room there I my my comment I think was that I like to see the budget earlier and yep and I would hope that we will have that at the beginning of October I I told Kurt I'd like to have the golf board look at that in September so that way we can see that early October yeah because that's that's another thing like with their CIP it seems always not match up with and hopefully we've got that taken care of okay anything else so we just make sure we're not going to talk golf management contract tonight I okay do we got copies of it in here yes okay I didn't that should be the very last thing in your packet okay it wasn't it was just a summary right or did you have the actual contract written I believe the actual one is in there oh and yeah it's red he just B CH yeah I did see that okay yeah the only change would be over year was the amount I believe a roughly a 4.7% increase or something like that yeah okay I want to I didn't read it I'll I'll be real hon on that one I just was looking at all the other stuff so okay we can certainly discuss that next time and along with the whole budget okay so with that I take a motion to adjourn so moved second second okay all in favor say I I I what your address 505 Dy we found it oh okay did it go up in value or for 20 well it doesn't have 25 estimate out I don't know if lour sends out a 25 estimate they they have to I thought they had to oh apparently they don't put them online look they put the actual tax statement they put the estimate for 25 online so you can see your bill it's part of the Old Farm here so this is what the actual bski come on I live so usually it says you know must be D's on the South Side um it's over there I think it's um9 and went up to look like it went up about $10,000 weilan I do think they send one out but they don't put it online know I got one horizontal I might have one Street D Avenue six and 10 I don't know oh there it is later bye