Vernon's Texas codes Annotated Government Code chapter 551 the Open Meetings Act in accordance with the authority contained in section 551 0 71 to consult with your attorney to receive legal advice and discuss litigation section 551 0 87 to discuss economic development matters section 551 0 72. US real estate matters and section 551 0 74 to discuss personnel matters. Thank you. Shelby is here. Check my check. That guy said, Hey, would you like on a new floor? Check. My check. That makes So The sewer. All right. I had to clear the Plano City Council Preliminary open meeting is reconvened in open session that all council members are present. Our first item on preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from the executive session. Personnel appointment Reappointment Board of Adjustment. Uh, Mr Ant, Uh, ricardelli. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, council member Smith and I have conferred about this and We would like to suggest the, uh, elevation of Janet Plotkin from alternate to the interim member spot, and, uh, then appoint Michael P to the alternate spot that that creates Uh, and also move. OK? And second, all right. I have a motion to second to approve the board of Adjustment appointments all in favor. Please raise your hand. How about you? Shelby Can you hear me? Yes. All right. Thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. Uh, the next Item is planning and zoning. Uh Commission. And I remember Go ahead. We would like to, um, table this appointment. Until a future meeting. OK? That's a second. OK I have a motion second to table the, uh uh uh, interim appointment of the P and C Commission. All in favor. Raise your hand, please. Yes, Thank you, Shelby. OK? Motion passes 8 to 0. Our next item is personnel appointments, Uh, which would be the tax increment Financing Reinvestment Zone number four. Board chair. Anthony, You know that one. Number four. You know, Num, You know, I. I don't think we do have that one. I will, uh if it works, or is that is that Oh, no. Sorry that that's the one we? Yeah, we talked about that one. My apologies. There are so many different you guys made it so special for this person. I so excited, and it's like, all right, let me let me take a look here. We actually talked about this a while back a very long time ago. I think that surprised. Yeah, and, uh and You see, we got our work done so far ahead of time that we forgot that we did this, But, uh, let me uh, you didn't. You didn't take notes. Now It's in writing on here. My apologies. OK, Here we go. It's well we'll We'll start putting out odds. And y'all y'all can guess. No I, I I'm so sorry. This uh yeah, As we said by email all the way back on April, 30th you were so far ahead. Um I Deputy Mayor Pro TEM, too. And I would like to appoint Brian Duquette as the chair of, uh, tours Number four board. Uh and I will move. OK? Second Thank you. I have a motion and a second to appoint Brian Duquette. Is that how you say it? Yes, Mayor I. I think that's how you say it. OK and, uh to the tax increment Financing Reinvestment Zone number four all in favor. Raise your hand. Yes thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. And the, uh, next item is tax increment Financing Reinvestment Zone number five board member chair and vice chair. That would be the two Ricks. Thank you, Mr Mayor. Um The chair that we had proposed. Uh uh, Decided to, um Turn down the opportunity. He is moving away from the city. So what we would like to propose. Is Janine Kina be, uh, promoted to chair. And we would like to bring on Doug Reese. As the vice chair. We had Chair Doug Bender for vice chair and Doug Rees as member. Didn't we? Anthony. I'm pretty sure this one is I know we talk. Are you guys? We had Janine as the chair Um and Doug Binder as the vice chair. Oh, OK , check your and then adding Doug Reese, adding Doug ratio. Everybody understand that OK other other than let me clarify. We have two different It's very disturbing. All right. We got it. Did you second that Rick? Yes thank you. So I have a motion and a second to appoint the member the chair and the vice chair. Up to the reinvestment Zone number five board all in favor. Raise your hand. Yes. See what you're missing. Shelby. I have to go back to my test motion passes 8 to 0. Wild times, Good times. All right, Uh, item three. The, uh Hot tax funding for grants. Hello, Karen. OK. Karen Rudd Whitley, budget director. Well, the city of Plano this first time I've been up here. There goes OK? So I am here tonight to talk to you about the hotel occupancy tax and the amount that we give to the arts and heritage preservation agencies. Uh this was requested by the City Council at the April 8th meeting. Also at that, April 8th meeting. I know Christina Day and Eric Hill had come before y'all requesting that we provide more funding for the historic Preservation of Heritage Preservation Committee. Um what was asked at that time as given inflation and hot tax revenue has more than tripled from $4 million in 2009 10 to about 14 Million in 2324. Is there a reason that historic preservation funding cannot be increased? More than $1 million they had asked for in that evening number two. What other agencies, groups or events or receiving hot tax spending and provide the financial impact of increasing the hot tax grant allocation to both arts and historic preservation on the convention and Tourism fund in the future. Just wanted to go over tax code chapter. 351 is the one that, uh, says what we can do with the municipal hotel occupancy taxes. It's a 15% maximum expenditure for both arts and the historic preservation 35.1014 talks about the encouragement, promotion, improvement and application of the arts. If you were to go out there and look, there's all Lines of long paragraphs on what you can spend the funding for, and 35.1015 talks about the historic Reserva re restoration and preservation projects and activities. Now This is a history of how we have guided the hot tax spending for the arts and heritage preservation. Up until fiscal year 2013 14. We did provide 15% tax allocation to both arts and heritage preservation. I did go back and look as you know, I have been here for years. Uh even back the oldest budget document that I have in my office dates back to 8687. Even at that time they were giving the 15% so we did not stop until 1415 and at that time it was capped at 800,000 for Arts 800,000 for Heritage preservation. In 2016 17. The allocation for the arts was increased to 900, however, Heritage preservation what remained capped at 800? I remember distinctly. They just didn't need the extra 100,000 in 1920. We had a bunch of, uh other agencies that came in and were asking for cultural arts grants. At that time, the City Council Increased it to a million and it has stayed there ever since. In 2324 Heritage Preservation did request on April 8th and it was granted by the City Council to increase to a million dollars for 2425. Now. You are correct. The it has more than tripled. Also our hotel rooms has more than doubled during this time. The slide. I am showing you here in the City council financial forecasts we prevent presented to y'all in March. In our financial forecasts. We have projected that we were going to collect $14.5 million for next year for hot revenue Now that was done in February. I'm here to tell you right now it's going to go up. We are increasing that to 15 million But if you go by what we had projected in the financial forecast the actual 15% for Arts would be $2.2 Million, and for heritage preservation, it can be $2.2 million. One of the questions that was asked. What are you using the other hot tax score. So in addition to heritage preservation and the arts, we have special events that we are funding for. We have the Asia fast. The Plano International Festival, the Plano Balloon Festival. We have several different festivals that we allocate the funding to also, the lights of legacy does come out of the funding. The downtown Christmas lights comes out of the General fund. Just let y'all know. The Texas Forever festival and the Rip Festival, which is the Halloween festival also comes out of this funding. So at the end of the day, we were asked a question What percentage of revenue is being used on the art side? It's 12. We feel confident to come into that $2.2 million. If we do it were to increase for the arts to $1.5 million. You have heritage Preservation. $1.5 million. We can still fund Plan Festival. The Rip Festival, the Asia Festival, all that within and that would get you up to the 15. Now let me show you What would happen in the future for this, As you can see, we require a 30 Day fund balance in the Convention of Tourism Fund. In here for 2425. We have the 14.5 million that we are projecting for revenues. Of course that's going to go up in 2526. We have a couple of hotels coming on. So we are gonna be collecting more revenue and then 2627. What I provided to you in the slide if you were to go up to the 1.5 for both of those agencies still keep The culture of events funded out of hotel motel tax. Your days of working capital is way over the 30 days of working capital. So now that our discussion tonight should be if y'all wanna go in this direction and the reason why the agencies and the committees right now are putting the packages together. They're doing the scoring on what they are gonna allocate the 1.5. Or if you're gonna keep the million or the millions gonna go or the 1.5. Oh, did you want to say something? No actually, I didn't. Oh, ok. I saw you. I saw you move your, uh, microphone down, So it's moving it down. For once. I have nothing to add. OK very good. So anyway, that's the discussion. Yes. But so why is the Dickens downtown festival not coming out of this fund if we have so much working capital, the Dickens downtown. Comes out of the geno phone, and that's in the parks and rec. That's in the parks Department. So also on the general Fun side is the Plano flags of honor. All the rotary parades the MLK celebration. Sunset Dickens. The July 4th celebration, holiday Lights downtown Macaw Plaza. So all of those were deemed to be city events. This was a number of years ago by the City council at that time, and they have been funded in the General fund. If you were to move them back over there. I mean, that's fine with me. However this is the way that City Council went, and that was a number of years ago. They said. We don't want these. We consider these city of Plano events. We want parks and rec to Over them. We want them thundered out the general fund, so they are not looked after by the arts Committee or the Arts Commission. II. I was just going to, uh, thank you. I wanted to make sure I wasn't interrupting. But I. I just I think that's an excellent catch Mayor Pro TEM and I. I think to the extent that we have available funds, it would make sense to move all of those over to hotel occupancy tax because those are really things that, uh, you know that that are the same types of events that put heads and beds that bring tourism to Plano. And uh, I don't know about you guys. But I recently heard from, uh, a couple of residents who were concerned about, uh, community groups no longer putting together 1/4 of July parade and you know, to the extent we have funds, you know, hotel occupancy tax funds available. That might be something to look at. Not for this Fourth of July because I understand logistically we just couldn't get it done. But for July 4th 2026 while still increasing cultural arts, and, uh, I will let you know the total that comes out of 164 special event. Total $650,000. So that's the total amount that are In the General fund. They are considered Cindy Plano events. And Karen I. I understand the rationale of wanting parks to manage these events. Is there any reason Parks should not manage them if they're funded through hot? No there's councilman. There's no, there's no, um Uh, reason that it could not continue to be, uh, managed by parks. I think 11 thing that I would want clarification, though. If council is desiring to put those that have been funded in the General fund in Hotel motel funding, one of the challenges that we have is the city applying to the city for funds. So are we competing with these other nonprofit agencies, or are you gonna just consider them funded and then whatever's left because I think you'll face some criticism either way, um, for those decisions, because if we're if we're applying to ourselves for funds, um they might think that we have a vested interest in seeing that those things get funded and likewise. If they're the first at the, um the funding level, then it becomes this aspect of fairness and parity for how those things get done. So just putting that out there that you those are some of the reasons why I think it went to the Parks Department in the first place. Mark? Yeah, I. I just personally, I think that, uh Moving in a in a hot Mike makes a lot of sense. I'm not too concerned about people wearing that. You know, we're giving presidential uh uh, preferential treatment to the city, because I mean, we're just basically gonna be paying it from something that we can only use for specific purposes rather than using general funds that we can use for other things, whether it be fire police or parks and rec new lawn mowers. So II. I think it's a great idea. And then if it becomes controversial, we'll we'll deal with it. Ok, well, I will tell you all this We go any further? This is $650,000, so I cannot fit. If you're gonna, even if you don't increase the arts commission up to that 1.5, you're not gonna be able to fit this in. You will have to go and reduce the funding for the arts commissions. The grants. So just a question on that. Because I thought the projection we were looking at had both cultural arts and Heritage preservation moving up to 1.5. So that would be a $500,000 increase each for a total of a million. And so then I was thinking if we take the 650,000 out of that we still have a surplus of 350,000. And we can tell Can you put that slide back up? I think that would be helpful. Sorry Councilman Because there's a cap for each side, there's a cap for each side, So the 1.5 is per side. You can't blend over back and forth. So you can't As far as I know you cannot find The I You could probably do the flags of honor. Um Anyway, some of these events like they're not gonna let you fund the holiday parade out of the heritage preservation. OK so you don't really have any wiggle room on the art side because You got the plaintiff Festival. Plano Bloom Festival. You've got a lot of big items in here that are already being funded out of the hot tax. Um since we are going to be having one of the our, um, goals and objective, um, workshop II, I suggest that we possibly talk about what We believe our, um the Plano's, um I guess Central projects that we want to, um Put in certain funds . I mean, III I get it that long time ago, we felt like the, um the ones that are in the I think in the, um the park and recreation funding. Those are the ones that Yeah, Those are the one that represents city of Plano. But city of Plano has grown and it has become very diversified. So I think maybe a re evaluation of what goes in the Where would be good. I don't have any, um Comments or or any, um, feelings opinion with regard to you know how much We need to spend, um, on the hot tax versus this the park and regulation but I do think that priority needs to be set. So that, um you know, we use the money efficiently. I will tell you this, and I had it on that slide. We have several new hotels that are gonna be coming on. So you're gonna receive a lot more. Hot tax starting in 2526, which means you know 25 26 26 27. You'll have more going into that bucket and that might be a better time to move those after y'all decide during your Retreats and stuff. So but for right now for me standing right here today, you would have to reduce The art spending. So Mayor and council let me make sure we get this right real quick and try to simplify this a little bit. Y'all are OK with moving it up to the maximum dollar amount of 1.5 for both heritage and arts and events. Is that correct? I'm seeing nods. OK, so move it to 1.5. And then what I'm hearing right now is move as many of those city events over to hotel Moto as we can within that cap. So will you allow us to go back and see how many we can fit? Understanding that we allocated a million dollars already and I? I feel like the process is already underway for that. Um I wouldn't want to mess with that for the other arts groups, especially this year, but the amount above that that 500,000 we could take and fit as many projects in as that as possible and then maybe take the rest and continue that in general fun this year, but Work on this year over year to try to find a way to get all those projects into hotel motel is that Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, Mark, I just ask you a question. Uh uh . I mean, it's my understanding. Maybe I'm I'm wrong about it, but, uh, you know anything that promotes tourism. It can can can be covered. I mean, like Texas Forever festival they go. I mean, that's obvious that promotes tourism. It doesn't necessarily have to come out of the cultural arts. Couldn't we create a separate category? But you you're still capped at that. 15 You're still capped at that 15% So you're still capped at that $1.5 million, Regardless of that, so the other elements of that of the marketing and advertising and things like that. That Plano, uh or visit Plano? Does this kind of separated from that? So I? I don't I think we would have a hard time capturing that and trying to put that into a another category. Other than the another thing in page. You can only choose. Yeah. Go on in the statute. And it has to promote tourism or what they call pit heads and beds. So it has to be on the list in the statute. And it also has to promote tourism. Yeah I just thought of that, like Plano Flags of honor. Are they really going to bring in hotel motel? Beds That's one of the other reasons These were moved over. To the general fund. Yeah, II. I guess just my concern is I know I've heard from other councilors that typically Ken, you're saying Not only do we Have access funds out . We're gonna be having more funds coming into to that in the future. We have trouble spending it. You know, so I if we could, somehow, however, we need to do it this legal, uh and put it cover in this fund That's better than spending general fund money that can be used for anything. You know that That's that's my only point. Sure and I think we get that and I think I think we will maximize that. And even with that growth year over year where we can add more to that we will look to do that. Um, but I think as it stands right now, uh, one of the things that that I want to also make sure y'all are comfortable with sticking with the million dollars for the community groups on the Art stuff and the additional amount over that would be OK to fund those city. Um those city events that we have in the general fund. Is that correct? Oh, wait. I thought we were going up to 1.5. We are. We are that 500,000 I'm making sure is the is the city events rather than going back to the, um to the community groups. I don't think that's what everybody is saying. That's why I'm asking you don't you don't wanna raise it 1.5. No we do. But I think that's where the discrepancy is that 1.5 the that 500,000 shouldn't go to City events. I think we're saying that there's other see how it says cultural arts, and then it says com and cultural events. We're saying there should be other places. That you can put those other events and page is saying No, but I don't what goes under coms and cultural events? Well, the problem is the hook. You know, That's a legislative event to. I mean that we'd have to raise that up. And that's the problem is we? We We can't do that ourselves so well. Then what goes under com and cultural events then? Well that's the point of Balloon Festival. It's the Asian Festival, The Plano International Festival. That's what's that 668 right there. Those are the festivals that are considered they're bringing heads and beds in OK, and they're funded out of hot tax. So those are those are the festivals. So we could increase that category then. Well we can increase it right now. Because you've got to come in with that 15% So if you're gonna allocate the 1.5 to the arts and 1.5 to historic That's the max you're gonna have this year, OK? Well. Well I. I think the confusion is carrying your list. There is but your budget categories and not the statute categories. That's correct. Yeah. I don't have those other. This is convention and tourism. Fun? Yes. So everything else is on the general fence side. Mayor counsel Let us work up a worksheet. That's not a fun summary and bring that back to you. Show you where the funding is and show you where we can move some things over. We'll bring that back in the next meeting or two in a allow. Hopefully some clarity to that we already have it so I can bring it to the next meeting. If you want perfect. Throw it up there. Thank you, Karen. OK, so we're we're Mark. We're gonna go with the 1.5 and the 1.5. Thank you Appreciate it. Next item is a discussion. Direction of serve Denton strategic plan. Mark Mayor and council. Uh back earlier, uh, in actually last fall in 2023, Sam, Griff and I started visiting Serve Denton, which is a um, a hub for nonprofits in the Denton community. They actually provide the facility and their focus is strictly on the facility. No other elements. Um are really, um, you know, incorporated into that other than what happens with their their coordinations. Um In providing that space as we began visiting them and seeing kind of how they run their operations. We decided it was important to expand the group and the knowledge within the community to with the city of Plano specifically to, um, um, to understand this and see if this was a good idea for the city of Plano. Um so on on April 1st. We actually had a tour with , um, the Community Relations commission's chair, vice chair, the council liaisons to the CRC and we actually had Councilwoman Holder join us as well, along with a lot of Executive staff about 30 people that, uh, that went to Denton. Um to go tour this, um It's a very unique, um, facility. Um and it's basically what I would call a one stop shop or a hub for nonprofits. It provides, um, a rent stable, uh, environment for nonprofits to operate. It provides them with, uh, an opportunity to really have some co location so that people can actually stop in one place to find, um, answers to some of their needs. And the group that's actually put this together as expanded not only from served, and they've actually implemented serve Louisville and they're consulting with, uh, Garland to do serve Garland. Um we have met with them a couple of times to talk about doing a strategic plan for the city that we think would be wise for the city to have them do an environmental assessment not only of the nonprofits but of the communities and the properties, and so I've actually passed out A, um, a map that they have a flow chart for how this would actually work. So it's over the course of, uh of a few months. E. Essentially they said it would take up to a year to complete and bring back to the city. Um, again, it would just be the strategic plan itself. So it's uh, well within my signature authority. But because this is such AAA big thing that is going to involve the community, some of our nonprofits and other elements. I thought it was important to bring to council and make sure that we're announcing this publicly that we would go forward with this. Um but we had several council members there and I have solicited the feedback of the people that visited, Um I would It was unanimous that, um, that folks wanted to move forward with this , um and see the possibilities. But the discovery phase and the envision phase is gonna be, uh uh, Take a lot of public input so kind of putting it out there that we would need the public to participate. Um but unless directed, otherwise, my intent was to go ahead and execute the contract once it's approved by legal And move forward with the strategic plan, so I'd be happy to answer any questions. And any questions, right? What was it really any questions? But we did. Uh, Julie, Uh, Councilman Homer and Councilman Ricardelli along with, uh Um The city manager and Sam and a few other folks. We did go visit served in I. I was struck by a couple of items there. One It was AAA single location. That served many needs of the underserved. Uh, there was a medical clinic and attached to the clinic was a pharmacy so they could go straight there. There was a food distribution center that delivered fresh food. Uh so meats and eggs and milk or those type of elements that were there . There was facilities for battered women. There were Facilities for The Children that that needed help. And the one thing I found was from this one. Location. One The rent for the nonprofits was significantly lower than what you would have found outside of the building. And the second point was collaboration. There was a lot. There was strong collaboration between the various nonprofits there to support each other. So this served as a single point of contact or single place. Where if The police or fire or any of a city services or even if us run across people who need help. We can point to that single place. Uh right now we have various food banks. We don't know which one who to send them to. We have various, um Uh, Places for homeless homeless people again just trying to help them out where you can, so I felt that this was, um, really kind. Was the beginning to answer and need of the underserved here, and I just thought it was a fantastic facility and they've shown success in Denton. They're showing success in Louisville, and I think they're starting in Garland. Is that correct? So, um, this would be, I think, um A wise move to move forward again. As a city we can Serve the entire population. That was just my observations, OK? Any other thoughts sounds sounds like, uh, everybody's OK to move forward with this. OK Anthony Mayor, the only other thing I was gonna mention I. I was also blessed to be on that visit, uh, with council member Horn and council member Holmer City manager Israel sent in so many members of the city staff. It was a fantastic visit. It's a fantastic facility, and I'm excited to see us move forward with exploring how this could work, Uh, in Plano as a serve of Plano, Um, we did all get, uh, II. I assume we all got cause I got and I, I I'm guessing I was not the only one. An email from former council member Grady. Uh and, uh, you know, who said that? Uh the Collin County Homeless Coalition and other community partners are already working on a similar concept. I'm sure we would do this anyway. But I just wanted to put out there that obviously, uh as we seek, uh, feedback from the community during the Discover and envision phases. It'll be good to make sure that we're coordinating efforts with nonprofit community partners so that we can maximize impact and not duplicate efforts. And uh, you know, see how we can dovetail. Uh, what they're doing with, uh what the city is doing. Of course. I just was gonna add that, um, when I had approached, um, Mark after we had gone through our, um F MA training about having an emergency, Um, Operation Center for all the needs, uh, for in an emergency, and he was already on it and had already set up this, um, this opportunity to tour serve Denton and it It was a little bit different than what I envisioned . I thought of it was going to be more of a one place that's overseeing all of these nonprofits. And so I heard someone describe it. I thought really well in calling it a benevolent landlord that that was really more of providing a facility so that we can reduce the overhead expenses to our nonprofits that are doing great work in our community so they can focus their dollars on programming and assisting people in need. So um, that was one just one thing. That was not exactly what I expected. And I just wanted to put that out there for anyone that thinks they understand what it is. It was a little bit different than than what I originally had. And um, I. I commend our our city manager for doing such a great job in bringing all of the key people to the tour so that could really get buy in and make sure we thought this was a good move on our part, even though he this is something that he could have done on his own without bringing before us, But it was a brilliant idea, and I'm I'm glad to see that we're moving forward with it. Right? Look forward to it. Item Five discussion direction of the great update rebate program. Um Curtis. Welcome. Mayor. The director of neighborhood services. Thank you. Great. Sure. Oh, there we go. Thank you. All right. So just a little bit about the history of this. This was a program that was initiated back in 2014. It was intended to encourage reinvestment in in in those uh older moderately priced house houses. Uh, apparently, it's kind of a baby of the, uh, the problem we had with the housing crisis that occurred at the end of the, uh, the previous decade there, uh, so the kind of the criteria for it? It's four house. That are 35 years or older. What they looked at is try to figure out. Um kind of the, uh, the property value maximum, and they used the FH a single family mortgage limit. Back in 2014. It was 70% and then back in 2017 that was increased to 85% So we now allow more houses that would become eligible for this program. Uh, mandatory homeowner investment. We will make sure that that homeowners in this program have some skin in the game. So in 2014, the homeowner investment was 10% of the appraised value. And now we're looking in 2017 when it was modified the lesser of 10% of the appraised value or , uh, $20,000, whichever is less and there's a $5000 maximum rebate there. Uh, so eligibility property value is 85% of the FH a mortgage limit and 35 years or older, so that's the existing eligibility requirements. Uh, what we're looking at here basically is we've got two categories either exterior or interior. Uh, if you were doing exterior work, then you're gonna get a 25% rebate. If you're doing interior work, then you'll get a 10% rebate and, uh, and a lot of this stuff we'll talk about in just a minute. It's kind of a combination of the both. It's both of So, uh, just general categories. Roof, Uh, Fence Foundation. That sort of stuff. Windows Uh, sewer pipes. That sort of stuff is going to be exterior where you get the maximum rebate. Uh, interior stuff is gonna be more like that. Remodel Uh, flooring H vac because that has to do with the internal. Um uh, comfort level in there. Electricity work, electrical work would be the internal, uh, insulation. So you'd be eligible then for the 10% rebate. Uh, so the completed the number of completed pro, Uh, projects is 1200. I think that's his 28 right there. So over the 11 year period, uh, we have done work on, uh, O over 1200 projects. Uh, just looking at the map of Plano. For those for 2024. Here are the eligible properties and, uh, we'll look at this and then, uh, we'll look at this in in in a bit after some recommendations, But if you look, um we have a 26,200. Five eligible properties in 2024, You can see there's centrally located or on the east side of Plano. Uh, as far as project complete completions over the past 11 years we've looked at a, uh we average about 100 and 16 projects per year. You can see back in, uh 2013 2013 2014 1st year of the program we start off with, uh, with 30 of them, Uh, at the end of March, we were at 66. I think we've got 88 right now. For this fiscal year with AAA number. The number that we will complete will be approximately 151 for, uh, this year's Program. Um So we've also break it out by exterior interior and combo. Uh, work that we've done and you can see over the, um the years you know, most of the projects that we do certainly are our most projects that we find are certainly exterior, but we do have some interior and, uh, and some combo , and this kind of gives you a better overview, so 59% of the work that's been done over the past 11 years. Our exterior Uh 12% are interior and then 9% fall into that category. Both so what happens is sometimes in these projects, right? If you've got some foundation issues, then you may also have a flooring issues that you have to do so that, uh, that allows us to take care of, of, uh, some of those problems that we see. From some some of these issues that these houses are dealing with here in Plano. Uh, if you look over the, uh, the period of years we've, uh we've kind of roughly broken these down into category general category is what we see. So remodels bedroom and living room cladding, Which is gonna be the outside brick siding. Uh, that sort of thing. Concrete You can see doors and windows certainly are the, uh, the most, uh, in which that we've spent our the rebate money on, Uh, Also, roofs are are also big and, uh, from the tho, Those administrators those Staff members that are working with this. What they're saying is right now, what we're seeing is we're seeing kind of a change from a lot of that interior type stuff that that you might see to more utilitarian type work, which is going to be a pipes, which is a big issue right now Roofs, which is a big issue some foundation stuff, So we're kind of seeing that that that movement just because of, uh some of the problems that we're seeing in this housing stock. Uh and you know, going back and just want to thank solar panels. I guess solar panels apparently used to be kind of a bigger a bigger project. Don't see that very much anymore with some of the problems that we've seen with solar panels and how they impact homeowners. Some of the metrics just this fiscal year today 2023 the amount of money that is funded for that we use for funding. The Great update rebate program is 497,000 per year. We have about 280,000 additional, uh, funds for other types of, uh uh, update programs that if we don't spend it all, sometimes we can apply it to the great update rebate. Uh, this year, we will not be able to do that, but so we're going to be capped at 497,000. Uh, the homeowner investment this year is almost $2 million. We fund it with a ratio of 1 to 444 to 1 Project average. Uh, both this year and just over the life of the program is about $29,000 per project and the rebate average right there you can see is somewhere between $4600 and $4800. Uh, and just some pictures, So you know, when we look at some of these houses that we see In those central locations or east Plato. You know, we got, uh, certainly, Windows. Uh fencing that we get a lot of requests for Pools. We do not, uh, rebate for pool or putting in pools, spas, that sort of thing. What we will do is, uh, rebate for, uh, doing some pool work. Remodeling that or filling in pools, which is, uh, which does happen here in Plano occasionally. Uh, also some landscaping. Uh improvements to these houses and then some internal again some interior design work. And in this case, I know it's hard to see, but, uh, they took out a wall kind of opening up that area. Uh and so certainly making it look a lot nicer. Uh, just a little bit on the feedback. We have 73% of participants saying, Hey, the ability for them to get a rebate based on some of this work has has, uh, allowed them to increase the, uh, the work that they've done on home repairs. So uh, just some for, uh, just for your consideration in the discussion that we that, uh, that you have on this program on what to do with it, and one of the things that we did just last year. Uh, and trying to get feedback for some of our programs we did talk with , uh, program participants and also realtors here. Uh, just asking. Hey, what do they think? What helps them out? Uh, And so some of the recommendations that came back to us was to, uh, to differentiate between elderly and uh and non elderly elderly under the HUD definition in 62. Plus and so look at, uh rebating 30% both interior and exterior, And one of the things that we're looking at right now is You know , Originally, this program w&s designed to really kind of compete at at that time with some of these outer areas. Uh, that young families going to the frisco the McKinney that sort of thing. This would be a way of competing with those, uh, with, uh, with those cities. Uh, I think maybe that, uh, what we've done is we've probably gotten away a little bit, uh, away from that, And now what we're looking at is as our population is growing older, and they wanna they wanna Place. This program now allows them to do some of those renovations to deal with some of the problems that they may have, as they as they age in place. So uh, like I said, one of the recommendations is to now fund uh uh in increase it to 30% for elderly. Uh, homeowners, uh, and the non elderly, uh, increase it to 15% for interior 30% to exterior. Uh, the maximum rebate would be $6500 property age. The recommendation was drop it down from 35 to 30 years. No change on the FH a limit that just allows us as as those limits increase. We don't have to keep coming back to council. Uh for, uh, permission to change those, and then also the minimum project cost. Make sure that that may that maintains at 20,000. Uh, so and if we do that, just one of the things That, uh, we look at what that would do is that would increase the number of housing units in Plano by about? Uh uh, 2700 units so we'd go up to almost? Uh uh, I think it's 29,000. I can't see it from here. Uh but, uh uh so we just have an increase of almost 2700 units here in Plano. And so with that, if I may answer any questions that you have OK? Um, I thought What we do, Uh, because since we're we're really giving some recommendations to Curtis and staff to come back with vet some of these recommendations out to see whether they you know, work or not. So, I, I thought I'd just go around the horn here. And if anybody has some Thoughts about the presentation or recommendations, changes or anything like that. We can give those to Curtis and his staff to find out what what That effect would actually mean to the city of Plano. So Shelby You wanna start? Sure And can you please put the, uh, summary of recommendations back up on the screen? Yes, sir. So as I've said for some time, um I. I struggle fundamentally with this program, particularly in the nature of interior. Projects things like updating countertops . Flooring Um, I'm I'm philosophically OK with it, I think for exterior projects where it's actually going to result in an increase in the taxable value of a home. Um this goes along the lines of We're we're going to provide some sort of a tax property tax rebate, um, so as not to penalize them for improving the value of their property. However improvements to the interior don't get reflected in the central appraisal districts valuation and it's just free money. I have particular concerns. Um when it comes to the cutoffs, um so 62 Plus is the, uh elderly occupied cut off. What about for 61 for you know significant, uh, repairs that are needed, Um While I believe this program was well intentioned, Um, I, I think there are there are issues with it that create just a really an unfair landscape for Plano citizens. Um As as I've said before, I would like to see a program where everybody, Um, uh small businesses and homeowners alike could benefit from something. Uh like a, um, uh, a property tax abatement. Now I know we're working on a, uh, a potential grant fund to address some of that in a more streamlined manner, but That's that's the same philosophical concept here, and I'd love to see where we could appropriately incentivize, uh, people to improve their property. Um or at least disincentivize or remove the disincentive for them to improve their property because their property taxes are going to increase as a result. OK? Thank you. Thank you. Rick Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um I I'll take a little different. Uh, view. Um I do think the program is a good program. Uh And while uh um uh. Councilman Williams statement about that. You know, Inter typically might not up the, uh, the appraised value. Uh, if it is, uh, a, uh Requirement. Get a building permit or something that would be, I would assume is most length that would be available that would be seen. It would be added to increase the, uh the tax revival, so not not all interiors would not be, uh, eligible to, uh, you know, to increase that taxable value. I like the proposals that we have here. The uh the change is increasing at, uh, I'm kind of with lean. I would like to see us talk a little bit more about restricting this to, uh, owner occupied, Uh, facilities and not really, You know, non owner Oba rental type facilities because you know, if you're a business, you're in business. I mean, you make your investments the business pays for the investments and so forth. Uh one edition. Uh, that I like to consider, uh and I don't know how we would do that. But uh, there better work. I was reading an article. I think over the weekend that Uh, you know, more people are updating their house to be able to accommodate the older You know, uh, occupants of the of the homes, So perhaps we add something that if you're doing interior, although, you know, I understand why, you know, like Shelby said. We're you know, we wanna limit the interior and really concentrate more on the exterior. But if they're going to be doing AD a or other, you know, uh, livability, you know, handicap type or age related livability, uh, improvements to their home I . I would like to see that qualify for maybe the same as the exterior. Uh, you know, reimbursement, you know to encourage that because if, um People decide they do want to stay in their in their homes longer. This perhaps would help them to do that. So that's that's the only observation that I have on it. But real quick for clarification. I think if there are 62 and over the interior or exterior would both be at that 30. I, I think is that is that correct? Correct? Yes, that's correct. So if they're over 62, and they're making those modifications to the home, whether it's interior, OK only if it's both into your account I'm talking about if they just if it's just interior, but they're 62 or older right now, Or does it have to be both it? It would be. It would be both 30% if you're 62 Plus either in interior or exterior. OK that would be a You're a mind reader. Yes, sir. That's pretty Uh, but, uh, but again, I think that would be good. Uh, that one might encourage again and say that you know the living in for older people to have it be more accommodating for them as they age in place. And I think one of the things we talked about is you know, because because try to figure that out. These are not necessarily AD a standards, right? These are live livability standards and so things like, uh, countertops higher countertops, removing walls to allow access for people who might be using a walker or a cane or a wheelchair. So it does. It would get a little fuzzy on that. But those are certainly issues. The FBI all that type of thing. We can certainly look at that. I knew you'd be thinking about council member home. Yes, sir. Um I've I've also always felt that We should not include interior beautification efforts in in this. That's my personal opinion. Um I. I feel like as our homes are aging that we need to be focused more on the absolute necessary repairs that have to happen. And I think that I'd like to see us increase the assessed value of the home for repairs like cast iron pipe replacements that I mean, let's be honest. Nobody replaces that just for fun. I mean, it's a It's a necessity. And so that's based more on the age of the home or just the fact that they've got the cast iron pipe so I would like to see um, you know Elimination of beautification for internal, um so that those dollars could go more towards, uh Things that are absolutely necessary. Um AD. A compliance could be an exception . But that brings up an interesting point, as are you making these improvements so that you can stay in the home. And if that's the case, then perhaps we should consider the rebate being paid back over a couple of years instead of immediately to make sure that we're looking at long term, and that frees up some some dollars as well, Um, to support the program, um A little bit longer. Um I think the other issue was there was a Uh, speaker brought up before the fact that we have a limit, or we have to spend a certain amount before it can be rebated. I don't really understand the point of that. If people are spending more money, and then we're reimbursing more money. That's not really what's wanted or needed. So I'd like to look at maybe eliminating that unless there's a reason for it. Um I don't know if we're trying to eliminate Limit the number of applications in the administrative burden that may go along with with the program. Um definitely would like to only allow homesteaded, uh, properties to be eligible. For this, Um Because I think that's really the goal is that we're trying to, you know, take care of our our people that have lived here and want to be able to stay in their properties. And might also be a reason to entertain looking at how long have the people been in their properties as a cri criteria for being eligible? If someone just moved in, and now they're applying for money? Maybe you know, it would be more fair to leave that those dollars available to someone that's already been in the home. Um, for a while. I think those are all my comments. Real quick clarification. Curtis The rebate is not paid back. This is a grant. This is this is a grant. Right Based on it's never repaid , Um by them. While there's an investment that basically gets paid back and a form of value that it's revenue coming back to the city. There's not a repayment necessarily from the owner directly to the to. Well It is kind of directly for the city, but it's not for it's not for that grant purpose If that makes sense, so it's not. It's not a loan. It is truly a grant that we are rebating back. A certain portion of the project come out so mechanically. That's how that works. And then the only other I was going to mention on, um, on that element is the minimum amount. I think the comment from one of our citizens. Uh, maybe last meeting was that they got close to the minimum amount. They weren't quite there, and so they had to add on some project cost in order to reach the minimum amount. I I think that's what the prescription palm trees but he didn't really want, but he needed them to get to become eligible. But I think the minimum project cost that's one of the things that's eligible. If council wants to lower that or adjust that You're welcome to do that, But, um, I think when you're when you're talking about those elements again, it becomes how many how many, Um, projects would be eligible and how quickly those dollars would move. OK? Deputy mayor. Yes So, um, I. I think it's been brought up in in a whole bunch of different times, even in I think Councilman Ricardelli will, um I guess. Summary and also councilman Homer also brought it up is the question is, what is the goal and objective of this program? And do we have one? What is the mission statement? What is the goal? Um, that we're trying to accomplish with GET and I think that's really important because then it it would define Where the money needs to go. So if the if the program is going to be designed to help those people who want to stay in place, well, then interior beautification access AD a access. Those are all become important because that's what um, is necessary for those elderly who want to stay in place, and that's the goal and objective of this program. If the program is to Um, increase the value of the neighborhood and beautification of the neighborhood for the best interest of Plano. Then I think the interior beautification probably needs to take a backseat to what's going to beautify. Um the neighborhood. You know this entire street and you know whether or not it's the cast iron pipes, whether or not it's the street, um, crosswalks, the lawns, um, the fence. I mean, those things become More. Um more important. So I. I think that's where I think we're having this dual Um, problem where we're we're having. You know, Um, we're sort of split because of What? Where do we put the goal and objective? What is our goal and objective? So If you ask me personally, I obviously believe that Um, all those stay in place is very important. I think as part of city of Plano The best interests of Plano is to is to ensure the value of all properties in in Plano to maintain a certain standard. And so for me, then Exterior. Um, improvement becomes more important for me. Um So that's why I'm trying to get at. Uh, maybe that is something that, um your department needs to, um, figure out whether or not this is something that you guys need to have a mission statement trying to figure out where exactly are you guys going? Because once we're we're clear as to where we're going, Then the money becomes Um, clear as to where it needs to be funded that that's where that's all I'm saying. And I can tell you so. So originally , the goal of the program was to make houses and neighborhoods more attractive to new buyers. Preserving affordable housing and supporting the city's tax base. So that was the original goal. Uh back, you know, again 11 years ago. Now as things have changed certainly um you know, there's probably you know whether or not that goal is expanded whether or not uh uh, you know, that is the That is the only thing that we're looking at, Uh, I, I think that maybe as we go forward That's where you come in is tell us. What would you like to go? If you wanna continue with this program, what would you like the goal to be? I think it's really important that the residents have an input. Um, also to also look at, um the council's idea of what You know we want how how we want these funds to be expended, obviously, if we if we split it up, half and half nobody's gonna be happy. But if we focus the money that we have in doing specific, you know, specific type projects. I think we could get You know we can get somewhere so that that's all I'm saying. I. I think it would be really, um, interested. I I'll be really interested in hearing what other members think That golden objective is for the girl I? I don't like I said, I already gave my opinion. What I think it should be used for so Mayor Pro Well, I think great minds think alike because Maria said a lot of things that I was gonna say so. But II. I was just gonna mention that since I've been on council for a very long time. Now that I feel like this has changed a little bit right. And to your point, um, I remembered it to be a purpose of trying to improve housing stock and draw people to Plano and now it feels like we're talking a lot about things to try to keep people in their homes. Safety issues, more mitigating issues, and so I was gonna bring up some more comments. It's hard for me to make comments about if I like all of these changes if we're not solidified on what problem we're trying to solve, or what the purpose of it is. So I do think we all need to align on that. And maybe it is You know separate Separate programs, but, um For me, I. I would prefer to take a long term view of you know we are competing with, um, cities to get residents. Um uh, with newer, shinier homes, and, uh oh, I, I think we have to take that into consideration that, um, we need to have, um, we see all the statistics about with, um ID and closing schools because they have decreasing enrollment and we need Long term. We need young families to come, and they want houses that are new and shiny. So I think that purpose is important for us to keep in mind. We have a lot of programs already in place that will keep Um, that are enticing to keep seniors here. And so I think that if we, um don't keep in mind things to draw young families here. There's a lot of people around us that are doing that. And so we can't lose sight of that. So, um, but I think we need to really align on what the purpose is. Otherwise we're gonna have 500 different ideas into Maria's point. We're not really gonna accomplish anything. OK? Council member Horn. Thank you. Um First of all I want, uh, the girl program. Seems to be a success. OK and I like where it's going, but I think there's certainly looks at changes as our population is changing. Uh first , I think we need to be consistent and Make sure that the homeowners are there. We have a homestead exemption, so have it So it's not some investor coming in and Taking advantage of us on that, but I think also we need to tie it to the beautification as, uh, Um Pro TEM UH, Deputy Mayor Pro TEM and Mayor Pro TEM alluded to it is the beautification Is it? That house can use it? Um so I think that's something we need to look at. But what I'd like to see also tied to that is that if we're gonna be doing exterior work, uh, look at energy efficiencies if we're going to be concentrating on windows and opening doors, make sure that that we maybe prioritize that to where if we do help them install new windows and doors that there's going to be somewhat a return on investment from the energy savings there. The interiors. I. I got mixed feelings for that. I just don't want it to be just a beautification. But I do think with our aging citizens that we need to be, um, cognizant of the AD a AB a requirements. Um Things like widening doors. Changing door handles. Uh, lowering cabinets, Uh, changing plumbing fixtures. Those are huge cost expense. And I think that's where we're looking at. Uh someone is aging in place. We gotta be mindful of them to have a trip. Fall mitigation avoidance if you will, so those are elements that I think that we If we're looking at interior work, we ought to focus more on that. And, um. I think it was pretty much the main elements I was looking at, uh, with the beautification, but tie it to energy efficiency Homestead and then also the A B, a AD a compliance on the interior. OK Anthony. Thank you, Mayor. Three minutes. You got it. All right. So I'd like to, uh, to start by bringing up something that hasn't been discussed yet tonight, which is that the Great update rebate program is such a highly attractive program to Plano homeowners that we have actually have more applicants than we have funding every year. Uh information provided by the staff shows that we typically run out of funds in June of every year. And of course, our fiscal year goes through the end of September last fiscal year, there were 152 projects funded. But there were another 28 potential projects that were not funded. Uh So anything that we allow is crowding out somebody else Who's not going to have funds remaining for them. Um I agree that having a clear mission is really critical. Uh the response provided by the staff about the original from 2014 purpose of the great update rebate. Which I think is the only one that really aligns with a public benefit that merits using taxpayer funds. In uh, talks about revitalizing neighborhoods and promoting economic development. So if we're talking about revitalizing neighborhoods, we're really focused on the exterior. We're not focused on the interior, which provides a private benefit . And so you know, I'm I'm like, uh, Council members. Williams Homer horn. Uh, I, I would take out the interior beautification. I am OK with AD a accessibility type things. II I think you know if we're talking a chairlift for the stairs, widening a doorway. Something like that. I mean, I. I think that's OK for the city to help out with that. But if somebody's putting in granite countertops, you know, I. I think they can do that on on their own dime and good for them. If they do so, I. I think that that's one thing that's critical to look at another thing. Um you know that I've been talking about for at least since the August 2022 but workshop, but it sounds like we have consensus on this. This really needs to be owner occupied. Because otherwise, house flippers can use this to pad their profit margin, You know, private equity firms that own portfolios of rental homes can use this to Be proxy for means. Testing So you know, I. I think we and it sounds like everyone's on board with that. Absolutely We need to take out the 6 to 7% That's not owner occupied, but but I think really, the issue that has been extensively discussed is what do we do with these interior improvements? At least when they're not AD? A. When they're not accessibility and I? I just think we have to take those out because when we're funding those that means that there are exterior improvements that would keep aging neighborhoods up that would Make sure that Plano remains a nice looking city, and that impacts everybody's property values, thereby providing a public benefit. And there are projects of that type that are, unfortunately not getting funded. So um and I also just wanna address a couple O of additional points that I think are really important because we do find internal, You know, tenant improvements in our economic development program, But the staff has looked into this and there's no data to support. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, Director Howard, But there's no data to support the idea that we actually get more property tax revenue as a result of the Great update rebate, it just doesn't typically increase. Property values. That's not really the purpose of the program, so it's very different from that other program and finally, um Actually 22 quick last points. It. One reason that was given for interior improvements in kind of the focus group, uh, that that the staff provided information about Was that providing rebates for interior improvements could be used to encourage potential home buyers to purchase older homes in Plano. But We're always talking about a housing shortage. And especially a shortage of more attainable, affordable housing, which often is this older housing stock to actually the problem is not that we can't convince people to buy it. It's that we don't have enough. And so I think that when you when you look at it through that framework, we don't really need a government program using taxpayer funds to incentivize people to buy older homes in Plano. I if we had more of them More of them could be sold. There's actually a shortage so we don't we don't need government help with that. And then finally, um, on the $5000 rebate increasing to 6500 conceptually I. I love that because you know there are big projects that might, you know, benefit from bigger rebate. But if we, uh we already weren't able to find 28 of the 180 projects last year if we increase it to 6500. The people who do get funded will get more. But fewer people will get funded because You know when, when that average increases from 4600 or 4800 to 6000. You know all of a sudden that money is not gonna go as far and I don't think we can significantly increase funding to the program because we'd be taking from roads. Public safety. You know things like that. So I, I would keep it at 5000. I would take out the interior improvements except for AD A and accessibility and I would make it owner occupied only So thank you. All right. Thank you. No I think everybody covered it. I is This gonna take you five years to do the research. It will not. It will. But I go ahead a couple of themes. I wanna make sure Owner occupied for sure focusing on the exterior, having some provision for AD a and interior improvements for people that are , uh going there and plumbing, plumbing and electrical and slab lakes and things like that, Uh, the energy efficiency elements of those, So I'm just gonna say the efficiency side of things and then last, but very importantly, redefine and come back with a restated purpose to make it easier to track. So are those If we come back with those four elements, and we look, we look through some of these other Moments, but those are kind of the four main themes that I took from everybody. I'm seeing some head nods. So, uh, making sure I'm not seeing any vehemently head. Uh, shaking? No So I think the only thing was do we want any criteria on how long the people have to be in their homes, So this is an investment in their existing home. II I don't feel strongly one way or another. But that was one extra point. If you if you'll just look into it, and just look at the options that that might be feasible, OK, I'll do so. All right. Thank you, Everybody. All right. Thank you. Next item is, uh, item, six consent and regular agendas. Any item. Uh, Council member would like to remove. Uh, Mr Mayor, I'd like to pull item F the land purchase. And any other item N. As in as in Nancy. Items for discussion for future agenda items. OK? Well. Where recess at seven. And now It's that's beautiful. Thank you. Now to clue. The Plano City Council is reconvened in open session that all members are present. We'll begin tonight's regular meeting. With the invocation, led by Kevin Beach. State President Plano State, the Church of Jesus Christ in Latter day Saints and please join the council reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and the Texas pledge. Please rise. Our father in heaven. We are very grateful this evening to be able to be in this in this community so grateful for those that have preceded us that have provided the foundation upon which we are able to build and support our families grateful. For thy insight and thy spirit that that guides and directs This council. And ask that they will continue to be guided that they will know the actions to take to alleviate trials and strains to build the foundation of education and the lives that we enjoy. You ask a blessing upon our first responders. Those that protect our homes and our families, our armed forces throughout the world. You ask a blessing as well upon our our teachers and educators. Those that are forming and forging the lives and the understanding of our of our Children. Ask that they will be guided by the hand as well. And ask a blessing upon this council that is, they meet together as they seek. Thy inspired direction that they will do so in a way that will bring peace to our community to our citizens and friends, and that we will be granted throughout the world. The peace that we Are so very much in need of Will allow Harmony. And brotherhood to reign and to provide For each of thy Children upon this earth. These favors and blessings we ask in the name of our savior. Jesus Christ. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which is stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Honor and the Texas flag. I want to allegiance to the one under God. One and individual. Thank you Be seated. Thank you. State President Beech. We appreciate that. Thank you for your invitation. We do have one proclamation that, uh, I'm I have the honor to read it's regarding Memorial Day. I'm gonna be here. I guess our next meeting is one day after Memorial Day, so we gotta make sure we get it in. So it's my honor to, uh, read the proclamation, whereas Memorial Day first known as Decoration Day began after the civil war with ceremonies for soldiers who had fallen in battle and is observed on the last Monday of May honoring men and women who died while serving in the US military. Memorial Day is meant for remembering and honoring military personnel who died in the service of their country, particularly those who died in the battle as a result of a wound sustained in battle. It is a holiday steeped in somber American history and tradition and gives us the opportunity to remember the Patriots who gave their lives in the service of America. In the service of Freedom and in the service of justice. We are free because they were brave and our nation is forever grateful. Whereas in 1985 Plano Memorial Park was created as a permanent location to honor Plano's more than 12,000 veterans, a place we all can visit and reflect on those whom who have given so much so that we can live in freedom and prosperity. Enjoy the blessings our country has to offer and where. In 2021, the Plano City Council unanimous unanimously approved funding for the donor recognition Plaza at Memorial Park. Creating a space for donors to honor military service members through the installation of personalized brick pavers, creating a more lasting tribute to those whom we seek to honor Now. Therefore I John Muns, mayor of the city of Plano, Texas, do hereby proclaim Monday May 27th 2024 as Memorial Day in Plano and I do thereby encourage all citizens to join me in the Plano City Council and recognizing the sacrifice of those who have died for this country and expressing our most heartfelt appreciation for their strength and valor in defending our nation. Thank you. Move to the consent agenda. They consent agent. The consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically, non-controversial items may be removed from this agenda for individual discussion by a council member of the city manager or any citizen, the presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. Motion to approve the consent agenda, except for item F second NNN. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. City manager is saying, I except for items F and N. Thank you. We have a second from you, Deputy Mayor. OK I have a motion to second to approve the consent agenda. With the exception of item F and N all in favor. Raise your hand. Councilor. Thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. Item F item F to approve an expenditure in the amount of $4,600,000 for the purpose of purchase of rail property located at 701 East 15th Street from Polaris 701, East 15, LLC and Expenditure and the amount of 138,000 for real estate services associated with the acquisition from Citadel Partners LLC and authorizing the city manager to execute all Documents. I. Peter Breton, director of special projects, and Matt Yeager, the real estate manager for the city are here tonight to answer your any of your questions. Thank you guys. So I. I pulled this item not because I opposed the land purchase. I'm I'm good with the land purchase. Uh, this is an issue about the source of funds. Um This is actually a situation where the tours number two board rejected the staff recommendation as to where the funds for this land purchase should come from the staff had recommended. Uh a 5050 split of this $4.6 million purchase Price . 2.3 million, uh, from the tours, Number two fund and 2.3 million from the economic Development Incentive Fund. The UM Tours number two board essentially. Uh, rejected that recommendation and said, We're not willing to put any tours number two funds toward this purchase, even though the property is in, uh, the tour number two zone. Um the reason that was given as I understand it, and please correct me if I say anything wrong, Peter. Uh but the reason I believe that the tours number two board gave Which makes sense looking just at that fund is that they wanted to preserve flexibility for the coming year in the tours Number two fund. Uh, they get about three point we get about $3.3 million in the increment each year to the tours Number two fund. So obviously $2.3 million is a significant portion of $3.3 million. And so they said, No, we wanna keep our powder dry and we don't want to put any of that $3.3 million toward this purchase, even though this property is in the tours Number two zone, I would submit that that was thinking about the issue a bit too narrowly. Uh, it makes sense that deters Number two board would take that view because of the narrowness of their mandate. They're just looking at the tours Number two zone and they're just looking at the tours Number two fund, But of course, we as a council are charged with thinking about the whole city and the entire city's budget. And that's why the recommendations of boards and commissions come to the council for Final consideration. Um I would suggest that when we do look at the big picture of the entire city's budget, uh, where we really need to preserve flexibility is in the city's budget as a whole. Not just in the tours Number two fund. Um of course, we can always choose to use nonrestricted funds from outside of the tours Number two. Uh to do a project in the tours Number two zone. The council always has that that power, but we can't use tours number two funds from that increment outside of the tours Number two zone because they're legally, uh , restricted. So what actually preserves flexibility when we look at the city's budget as a whole is to use a significant portion of the tourist number two funds for this purchase, and of course, it doesn't prevent us from later doing anything that we otherwise could have done. But if we use the nonrestricted funds The economic development incentive funds first, then it could have that effect of foreclosing an option that we might want to consider later in the fiscal year. Um so for that reason, I would respectfully suggest that we return to the original staff recommendation of a 5050 allocation. Uh, of the source of funds. 2.3 million from the tours Number two fund 2.3 million from the Economic Development Incentive Fund. And if there's something that needs to happen in the tours number two zone this coming year that there are not sufficient funds left in that church Number two fund specifically, we still have the power to appropriate funds from elsewhere. They just have to make that recommendation to us and we can do it. So, uh, that that would be my recommendation and I will so move. OK? Hold on. Is there a second for that? I suck at that. Thank you. All right, Go ahead. So II. I wanted to bring this II. I was looking up to try to remember whether or not I was the liaison for turf to. Um but I I'm not. Um Ashley is you, Smith and Kelso. Councilman Um, William, and so, I. I think that brought up a little an another topic that, um you know that we we're talking about which we will be talking about at our goals and objective is that, um, recommendations like this or concerns like this, where there is a conflict that probably should go to the Leah on first and you know, and discuss, um and brought to the entire council's attention. Um so I just wanted to sort of raise that point. I do support what? What you're doing, Um, Councilor Ricardelli. Go ahead. I just wanted to make sure on the staff recommendation to that it was it was your preferable, Uh, position to That that's right. And the reason we did half and half is there's just not enough money in the tours Number two fund and so we did leave us with about a million dollars. Of course we don't have that money quite yet. It comes like in July, but that's that's where we were. We thought that was a fair. The best way to handle it, actually. And you still think that to this? Thank you. Thank you. OK, so I have a motion to second. To Amend the item F to, uh, the staff recommendation. Amount by 5050. The terrors and economic development fund. Is that right? I? I don't actually I think you're just approving it. We're just gonna take it from there. OK? All right. That's a question, But yeah, OK. You got that? Right? So, uh, I have a motion to second all in favor. Yes. OK. Motion motion approves 8 to 0 A in Iron man adoption of a resolution to approve rurals governing public comments in the city's public meetings and providing an effective date. Mayor and council Very quickly, uh, on the second page, uh, the actual rules being outlined Item number two. We are simplifying and actually taking out three words that were in the first sentence that was published so that it reads now signs larger than 8.5 by 11 are prohibited in cities. Public meetings would be the statement, so this is just clarifying and simplifying the statement that was published. We felt that it was a little confusing in this allows more consistency. So the copy you have in front of you. Is correct , but I wanted to make sure to read that in the records to the public knew that as well. OK? Motion to approve what has been modified by an I guess city manager is Wilson, Um, with regard to, um Uh, Paragraph subparagraph in of our meeting. Agenda. I thank you. I have a motion to second to, uh, approve item N as amended, I. I just want to say it's about time. I just wanna make sure that Anthony sees Jay where it says, speaking beyond the allotted time. I'll do my best Mayor Pro TEM. I'll do my now They will be strictly enforced. All all in favor. Raise your hand. Yes, thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. OK items for individual consideration. Public hearing items, Applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time, with three minutes assigned per speaker. Presiding officer may amend these times as deemed necessary item number one public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in zoning case 20 24-1 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City Ordinance number 2000 15-5 Dash two as heretofore amended granting specific use permit number 56 for commercial antenna support structure on 0.1 Acre of land located 225 ft. North of Democracy Drive and 220 FT East of Partnership Road in the City of Plano. Collin County , Texas, presently zoned commercial employment, directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the city, providing a penalty clause a repeal. Savings Clause Severability Clause publication clause and an effective date. Mayor, councilor and executives. And Plan. And the first case we have for you this evening is, uh, zoning case 2024 001, which is a request for a commercial antenna support structure. Christine check to see if your mic is on. Pull it down is it is the switch. Turn it on. I think it's on Oh, yeah, I can hear you. It's on you're right. Is this better? They didnt Christina. Size it appropriately . So all right. Thank you very much, Um So this is a again a request for a commercial antenna support structure you see on the map on the screen. The notice area, uh, that was provided as well as an aerial of the existing property. You see, there are is an office building there. So this again is a stealth antenna. It is a flag pole style that is attached to the site plan. In a requirement that you will see a little later it does have capacity for up to four carriers. Um so we'll be utilized. Um efficiently the space and it does meet the setback requirements from residential districts that are a requirement of the zoning ordinance. The recommended SUP stipulations. There are 21 is that the design is consistent with what was submitted and reviewed And secondly is that the equipment a ground mounted equipment and so forth is screened. You see on I've taken a screenshot. I know it's a little bit hard to read, but you can see there is a masonry wall there that is proposed. Plus they also have included the design of the stealth. Tower. So this is in conformance with the future Land use map of the comprehensive plan, which shows employment centers. The use would support those existing buildings. Uh, we did not get any responses from people within 200 ft and have one in opposition from the community that you can see the location on the map. The Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend this by a vote of 8 to 0 and staff is available for questions you might have. Thank you. Any questions for staff. I'll open the public hearing. Do we have any speakers? Um Mr Bauman did sign up to answer any questions if needed. Thank you, but not a presentation. Any questions? Uh, for the applicant. OK? Close the public hearing, confine the comments of the council motion to approve I have a motion to second to approve item number one. Please raise your hand all approve. Yes, thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. Next item. Item number two public hearing consideration of an ordinance as requested in zoning case 20 24-6 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City Ordinance number 2015-5 Dash two as heretofore amended rezoning 7.1 acres of land located at the southwest corner of Independence Parkway and Lotus Drive from Plan Development 381 Retail General office to Light industrial one and rezoning 8.1 acres of land situated on President George Bush Turnpike, 600 FT West of Independence Parkway from agricultural to Light Industrial one both properties being located within the city of Plano, Collin County , Texas, and the IR 190 Tollway Plano Parkway Overlay district, directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the city, providing a penalty clause a repeal clause is saving Cause the severability clause of publication clause and an effective date. Right So in case number six is a request to create a more rational alignment for a few zoning districts in a specific area. So on the map, you can see the area. There are two individual parcels of land that are, um not primarily right of way and create split zoning on a few properties that makes it a little bit more challenging to develop so this request would amend the zoning map to align with the right of way and make it easier to develop these properties. So there are two tracks that are part of this. T. One is 7.1 acres. It was zoned to a planned development district. Back in the 19 eighties Lotus Drive was then brought in through a development project in the early two thousands and that driveway alignment created challenges. Um with the existing zoning, although The street itself is rational because it meets our design standards. It's just an existing condition, so track to, uh, similarly is part of a remainder tract. That uh, was subdivided when state Highway 190 was being developed. So it is 8.1 acres, primarily zoned agricultural with just A little bit of property on an existing developed office building. So you can see kind of a before and after picture here of the current zoning alignments, and then how it becomes a more rational zoning alignment with these proposed changes to create a consistent light industrial one zoning Boundary. This is in conformance with the comprehensive plan as an employment center. Um, light industrial One zoning is consistent. We did have one letter of support from an adjacent property owner. Uh, resulting in 5.66 acres. And support as well as the same One in support citywide. The Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend approval by a vote of 8 to 0. And we're here if you have questions. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for staff? All right. I'll open the public hearing. You have any speakers, All right. Close the public hearing, confine the comments of the council. May I make a motion? We approve Agenda Item number two. Second I have a motion to second to approve item number two. All in favor. Raise your hand. Yes Motion passes 8 to 0. Thank you. Next item. Item number three public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in zoning case 20 24-7 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City Ordinance number 2015-5 Dash two is here to for amend it so as to amend Plan development for 89. Family residence, one on 36.5 acres of land located on the north side of Legacy Drive, 770 ft west of Chase Oaks Boulevard in the city of Plano, Collin County, Texas. To modify development standards. Directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the city, providing a penalty clause a repealed clause a savings clause the severability clause of publication clause and an effective date. Alright. So in case number seven is to again amend an existing plan Development district, which would allow the development of 70 additional residential units and modified the development standards associated within that plan development. So on the slides, you will see the location of the property on the north side of Legacy Drive near Chase Oaks Boulevard and, uh, the notice areas and surrounding Zoning. Um it is primarily surrounded by residential zoning districts. Uh, including a golf course you can see at the development as it exists today on the aerial photograph. So the next exhibit shows the proposal um and how it would actually impact the property. The orange buildings indicate those that are proposed at three stories, the yellow indicate buildings proposed at two stories, and the purple is the clubhouse edition that's proposed as part of the same zoning. So those of you who have been on council for a period of time may recognize this property. It's been two additional zoning cases in recent years. Um, the first was to modify to allow 100 and 24 new units in 24 buildings. Um That case was recommended by PNC but denied by counsel Back in 2020. There was a second case to allow 100 and 24 units in 20 buildings, so reduce the buildings. Also there were additional setbacks from Legacy drive in that second case that was also recommended for approval by PNC and, uh, was denied by City Council. So this request again is different. But um, I wanted to review that history with you in A as many of you will likely seated during these hearings. So density and height. Those are two of the, uh , primary amendments that are being requested it to modify the density to increase from 10 to 12 units per acre, which is the normal standard for the multi family, one zoning district that would allow them to add 70 units to the site. There's also a request to increase the height by one story and 5 ft. So currently it's at a standard that is more aligned with Single family attached residential zoning district, uh to stories 35 ft that would allow it to extend to three stories and 45 ft. And then it's important to note that taller buildings that are gonna be three stories and 45 ft are restricted by the PD language. They will be at least 150 ft. From Legacy drive so less impactful from the Primary Street and they also will be at least 100 and 50 ft from any single family residential zoning district boundary. So we wanted to show you how this is really a blend of various zoning district standards the way the zoning districts are today. Single family attached is important to the site because that was the original zoning prior to development. Um and that's uh We believe the reason why these standards exist in the PD today at 10 units per acre and two stories 35 FT. Are two next multifamily zoning districts allow 12 units per acre. Three stories 40 ft, Uh and then you could see the multifamily two district allows a higher density at 18 units per acre, but a lower height standard at two stories. 35 ft. So this is a little bit of a mix between those zoning districts. The results for the plan again. You saw this earlier. Nine new buildings, Uh, five at three stories and four at two stories. Parking is another standard that they're looking to amend. There are 832 required parking spaces per the zoning, uh, based zoning of MF one. The P and Z did grant a reduction of 14% to the plan and that results in 716 spaces and the way the ordinance is written on this PNZ can grant up to a 20% reduction if an equivalent amount of space is provided as usable, usable, open space. And so this does require an additional one point 38% of the site. And So you'll see that is actually being met in the PD standards at the Planning and Zoning Commission. They added an additional standard beyond the original request requiring 25% open space and you'll see the requirements at 21.7 so that exceeds the additional 1.38. And will provide even more open space for the site. Two changes. Uh that are also proposed is they are planning and required by the zoning If passed to, um Expand the clubhouse by at least 2000 square feet and add a couple of dog parks. Each of those will be at least 2000 square feet and enclosed with decorative metal fencing. So we did wanna know if you if you're familiar with the property and you've been out to the site, there are some substantial grade changes, um, that are involved in locations where there will be building but those can be accommodated through the design and construction process. Uh so we wanted to just make sure and clear that up in case there were questions there. So these are the recommended PD stipulations in a strike through underlying format so you can see the changes made to number of units to maximum building height and then additional standards for the new amenities, the parking standard and the required open space. This is part of the neighborhood's future land use category on the comprehensive plans. Future land Use map. And the use does fit. Um It does not exactly meet the mix of uses, which triggers the findings policy. And also, there are some standards that in the character character defining elements so you can see how it meets all the other maps in the comp plan and other areas where, uh, there are either meeting or not meeting areas of the comp plan. So the RGM one action does require findings. Um if This is going to be approved because of the mix of uses and building height. So there was one letter of support from an adjacent property owner, Uh, representing 1.11 acre. Additionally there were three letters of support or responses and support I should say to opposed. Um and you can see the locations on the map. Two responses were received via email and therefore are not mapped. That's why they're only three dots. It. This was recommended by the Planning and zoning Commission by a vote of 6 to 2 and findings are required if the council should choose to approve consistent with P and C's recommendation. Uh, we staff are available for questions that you might have on this item. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for staff. I'll open the public hearing. We do have speakers on this item. Frank Turner. Representing the applicant. Uh I would like to introduce Michael Farin to come and speak to you. Michael is executive vice president of Star Point. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Uh, we are not doing an antenna. Unfortunately if I knew I would have added that to the property. Um thank you for having us. This is our third time here. I hope third time is a charm. We've changed a lot of things as far as the property is concerned, and work with staff and work with Um People involved to make sure that we're done the right thing as far as the property is concerned, Uh, star point is a multifaceted company. We operate in 10 different states We built, uh, we look for undervalued properties. Uh, and, uh, we do tremendous, as far as multi family is concerned, Uh, we do a lot of, uh, residential. Uh, we do a lot of, uh, commercial industrial and office . Um, we've, uh, our Size at this point is about 1.21 0.3 billion is privately held among the principles of the firm. And uh, I'm very involved as far as, uh, Star point is concerned on on a daily basis. Uh as far as legends is concerned, obviously, the location the fact that, uh, the greenery that it has, uh we love working in in in the state of Texas. We love Plano with you all for us, and we see a lot more value. As far as the, uh, property is concerned. I'm gonna have Fran go into the intricacies and then Back and answer any questions that you might have. See if I can move this head. Uh, Council. My name is Frank Turner. Um, the, uh, sole Uh, staff member of urban opportunity. Um want to go over the plan? That is before you, uh, very briefly. Um as you can see, uh, the legends that Jakes Oaks is a very low density apartment development. Ah! They presently 346 units on the property that are effectively 10 dwelling units per acre are Request have hurt you. Clearly on. Uh uh, trying to keep the density low has gone from 100 and 24 units to now, 70 units and changing the density from tin dwelling in it Break or 212 dwelling in its breaker. Like to point out that 80% of the 70 dwelling units are two and three bedroom units. Which is unusual in the marketplace. We have found that, uh Two and three bedroom units, uh, are actually fairly scarce in apartment development today, Uh and we're trying to respond to that. And it actually will mean that the overall complex Believers 64 per cent. Two and three bedroom units. Which again is very unusual in today's market. Generally today, somewhere in between 70 80. Of apartments are efficiencies in one bedrooms. Uh we are expanding amenities, as noted, uh, 2000 square foot edition to the clubhouse and an additional dog park will be there. Um P and C added a stipulation for 25% open space. We actually exceed that, um and, um Feel very comfortable about trying to keep, uh, the low density appearance. Is noted on the, uh Staff comments. Uh, we originally had, uh over 20 dwelling units or excuse me, 20 buildings being added to the plan that's now been reduced to nine buildings, and it is a combination of two and three Story buildings which helps us preserve open space. As does the reduction in parking. Uh, we clarification on the parking Uh, Although we are having a 14% reduction in, uh, required spaces if you actually count the tandem spaces that is spaces in front of garages we have over 1000 parking spaces on site, so there's no real issue about having a shortage of parking. Um we do have the support the chase hoax HO, a And I'd like to mention we sent out 1100 invitations to a meeting. Way for briefing meeting for the neighborhood. No one came. Now you might think that strange, but you can't hardly see this apartment complex from the Chase Oaks community. It's separated by about 500 ft. Of width of golf course in between it and the nearest single family residences. They did call, uh, the president of the HO A and he said he received about 15 phone calls and emails the day of the meeting, and no one expressed any concern about the Zoning, and in fact, we're very supportive of the reinvestment that's being made. Between 25 and $30 million is being reinvested in The legends, and that's a combination of new construction as well as the upgrading. Of the full 346 units . About half of that has been done to date. Another half will be done as units turn and, uh, New occupants come in. The legends is a very low density development as mentioned earlier Currently at 10. But even moving to 12 you can see the others eight. Of apartment complexes in the Chase Oaks community. They probably average around, uh, 18 dwelling units per acre, so this is considerably lower density. You also notice that the setback standards Are considerably higher. For the legends as compared to the other complexes in the area. Mentioned that Or out of the eight Actually have three story buildings. And MF. One does provide for three story by right We are asking for an additional 5 ft in order to have greater floor to ceiling. Uh, separation, which is customary today in most new apartment development. Uh, We could still do it on this, but we would wind up having flat or low pitch roofs, and we think that you would prefer the steer higher pitch roofs. Can to summarize. We are keeping all the key provisions with respect to setback. Um You have a 70 ft. Landscaped edge along, uh, legacy that is retained in a 50 ft edge around the perimeter, uh, which is also being retained and now the new edition of the 25% Open space. Uh, requirement that, uh, Was approved by the Planning and zoning Commission. 14% reduction in parking, which should not be present a problem because there's actually nearly 1000 parking spaces on the site, Uh, with this plan. The addition of the clubhouse. Expansion and the two dog parks. As I that we sent out the invitation to 1100 homeowners in the area that shows the coverage. That was included in the mailer. And I'll turn it back to Michael for closing. Come come up here, Frank as well. We can answer questions. Is there any questions that we can? We can answer. Uh, I just want to add again. As Frank said that last time we were here, Uh, we were told, uh, we didn't do a good job as far as they Communities next to us. As far as the single family was concerned, we did send 1100 invitations out, Uh, We don't need anyone to come. We had a lot of, uh, food and cookies and drinks that were left over that night, which which was OK, but we really tried. Uh and the city of Allen, which has the golf course next to us there in complete agreement. Uh, Eric, the president of HO a called me personally several times as to look, everybody has called me. They're very much in. I mean, you guys have done a tremendous job communicating with us coming , uh, forefront and letting us know what you're doing, And we really appreciate that. So we really try to go on this. This front. We really try to go the extra mile to make sure that we covered all of our bases as far as, uh, the, uh, the meal that was concerned. Good. Any questions for the applicant. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Any other speakers. All right. No. Close the public hearing, confine the comments of the council. Mr Mayor. I remember when I first joined planning and zoning What did I get to see but legends? And it was voted 62. I was one of the two that voted against it is and the reason I voted against it back then was that they were going to do significant amount of reduction of the trees if you remember a long legacy. And I felt like that we needed to keep that element of the green space as an entry. Coming from the east, heading west, similar as you come from the West and East. You have those beautiful canopies on legacy. And you, You heard us and you came back in 2022. And you took all the recommendations we had and Incorporated them. And at that time I voted for it. And I look back now and I notice that, uh, Council voted against it back then. And you came back with a revised plan. And through my evaluation. I've walked the site. I've walked that golf course. And this is a unique location in that it is an island within the city. It is surrounded on three or peninsula if you will surrounded on three sides by a huge expanse of a golf course. And Well isolated. So when I'm when we consider setbacks We were well within the requirements there. When I look at the zoning, it's still multifamily one and I think there's only four in the city. There's multifamily one. So we're still meeting the 12 units per acre. That's part of the zoning requirements, OK? And they're only increasing it by, uh, what? Nine buildings in 70 apartment units. Plano needs those 70 units. Our our residents are demanding mid level, higher level apartments. They we need people. People are wanting to live there. You see expansion over at Samsung and the central corridor there and now we got assembly Park. We'd like those people to live in Plano. I don't want them to live in Allen. I don't want to live up in. Uh, you know, Fairview. I want him to live here. I want him to work here. So they're meeting They met every requirement. We've asked them to meet. And 10 acres of green space. I mean, if you looked at the layout There's a lot of green space there and they got two dog parks. I just saw on the morning news. I think now an apartments. 69% of the apartments have an animal, a pet. I don't know. If it's a dog. It could be a snake. It could be a gerbil. But 69% of the apartments have pets. I think this is just exciting that they're able to do this and expansion of the, uh The clubhouse. That's again some of the amenities that what people are looking for in apartments. So What they're providing. I say they're they're compliant with multifamily one. Uh, zoning. The only thing that's challenging is the heights. That we have in a comp plans, I. I would I would throw this at you. The three story buildings where they're gonna locate it. You won't see them. You won't see him from the golf course you won't see them from neighborhood. Residential areas. You probably won't see them from legacy. So III I like what they're doing? I and I think it meets a need in the city of Plano. So I'm going to be in support of this opportunity. Thank you. Is that a motion? I was I I'd like to make a motion to approve Agenda Item number three. Do you have a second? I'll second and I'll just say I. I Voted against this twice, but I do appreciate the applicant coming back and making the changes that we asked for. And you know, reducing, um, the density by so much, and um, also having invested so much in the property since that time, so Yeah. OK? And they all say and like, uh, Mayor Pro TEM. I voted against it twice also, and Frank's been very diligent in pointing out all the things you've done to listen to. To what we said last couple of times. My big concern initially, uh, was Just Putting those three story units on the front of the thing and cutting moving trees and all around. We're just going to destroy the whole concept of what legends was. And I think still is, uh and I agree with, you know, Councilman Horn? Uh, at this point, I think you've really listened to us. And you, you really Colony that balance of what makes sense for you business wise and what makes sense for the community as a whole, Uh and I appreciate that, Uh, that doesn't always happen and you've been very persistent with says I hope you're going to be a good continued business prospect and participant in the city of Plano. So I like, uh uh. Mayor Pro TEM voted against it, But I'm in favor of this go around. Right Look, Deputy Mayor . I'll get to you, Anthony. Go ahead. So I am the one who suggest that you guys go in and survey the residents and, uh and I appreciate you taking that to heart and actually doing that, Um, I too twice tonight and the reason why is I also live in the Chase oak community and there are actually not eight, but there are 11 multifamily units that surrounds my residential. Um Um, look neighborhood and my concern is you know what is going to happen if we were to break precedent and allow New development into, um, legend and then You know the other 11? You know, businesses say, Hey, you know now there's a precedent being set so we can all come and ask for the same thing. But I. I think at this point, though, um the mayor has convinced me that it's impossible for the other 11 organizations or units to do what you guys are doing. Um, legend is very unique. It was never meant to be a rental. Um multifamily. It was built to be a, You know, a Residential condo. But since You know, I guess Condo was never popular. It became what it is today, and it's not your fault. It's you know, it's just the way the economy is. So I really appreciate the fact that you guys are, um you know, keeping the set back keeping the green making sure that all the redevelopment and the revamping remains interior rather than having something that's exposed in the exterior like cluster and legacy. Um so I, I It really appreciate you guys doing this and um and I hope Success for all of you. And I do support this. Thank you so much. You. Anthony Thank you, Mayor. So I'm gonna heed the advice for brevity, so First I. I really appreciate y'all bringing this down to 70 units so that it retains the MF one density and I also really appreciate the outreach to the adjacent neighbors. Uh and I also wanna say personally I. I don't know whether it was in 2020 or 2022. I. I enjoyed our meetings. Michael You're very, very personable guy. And same to you, Frank. Nonetheless in spite of all of that good stuff, I, I have to admit that I'm I'm persuaded by what the staff said , Uh then and still says today that you know the applicant states that the additional units are necessary to renovate existing units and maintain market competitiveness. The APP is concerned with setting a precedent that upkeep maintenance of existing multifamily residences are dependent on allowing additional units. So I do think y'all are pretty unique. I like y'all. Um you know, I. I appreciate the tremendous efforts that you all have made which are more than than most make, but, uh, I still uh think that it It's just dangerous for us to set a precedent that, uh, the need for renovation means new units because I think we have 200. You know, Uh uh, apartment complexes in the city of Plano. Also, y'all know how I feel about Comprehensive plan and, you know, given the non compliance with the comprehensive plan and the staff recommendation of denial, even though I'm torn because of the tremendous efforts y'all have made, uh I, uh, I. I have to vote No, on this, uh, for the third time. So, uh, anyway, thank y'all Who's gonna ch? But do you have any thoughts? Um just to add my opinion to that. I do appreciate the applicants, Uh, efforts to address some of the concerns that have come before. Previously Um my biggest concerns are things that can't be addressed as Councilman Ricardelli just touched on, um, adding density in order to update the property. We have a whole city that needs to be revitalized. And uh, we can't set the precedent that that has to be done by increasing density. Um so I'm I Can't support this, OK? Katsman home or any thoughts. OK about my Here's my final thoughts on this. This is this is a property. That is not asking to be taken off the tax rolls. It is coming to us spending their money to make this a better property. And we all know Now it's affecting the city of Plano. With PFCs. So that alone is a is a real great appreciation for you coming and making your property better than it was before And I can't thank you enough. We need to incentivize. More property owners to do that. Of all the, uh, properties that we have. That's our biggest challenge. And I thank you, Michael for being able to do that. So, um That that alone has has made such a big difference in understanding that These, these developer owners are either taking it upon themselves to make them better, or they're taking kind of a slippery slope. Uh and turning them into, uh Non taxable entity, so I appreciate. Uh, the Compromise that you've made over these last two iterations. And uh, I'm I'm in support of this. I think we have a motion in a second. OK, so All in favor. Please raise your hand. OK and all oppose. No. OK, so it's 62 all right? Everybody we have to. We have to fill out the forms. We'll take a, uh Five minute. Recess. OK? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. Oh thank you so much. I know. I've been drinking so much water that thank you so much. My wife will be proud of me. She's like always trying to get me to stay hydrated. So thank you for the extra bottle. Have a great evening. No, that is Liesel is like What No, that's true. No I. I didn't ask her that. I think she just saw I had, like, drank my allotment. You did I You know, weasel is so good at staying hydrate. It's really good. You know? She You know, like Volume is too low. She was They? They were like Because So much. I never heard of I got one. She's like the queen. I got one for you. When I was hiking up in the mountains. I was drinking. Yeah. Purified water through the filters, right And it was just straight up pure water. I drank so much water. I flushed away all my electrolytes and had a little episode where I had a Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. Council member Williams. Yeah. We reconvened. Our next item is comments. Uh, public interest. We have no speakers this evening. There being no further business. We're adjourned. business. We're adjourned.