>> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NE. >> Cary: ARE THERE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR US TONIGHT? >> THERE'S NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS. >> Cary: OKAY. GREAT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTRO ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED OPINIONS ON ITEM B. ONE FOR OPPOSITION AND ONE NEUTRALITY. AND I HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR ITEM D. THEY'RE THE APPLICANTS IF THEY'RE NEEDED. >> Cary: OKAY. SO THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS BUT WE DO HAVE TWO FOR D, WHICH IS LARGELY, IF IN FACT WE HAVE QUESTIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? >> THIS IS CORRECT. >> Cary: DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM B. WE CAN PULL C TOO. THEY'RE ADJACENT PROPERTIES SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF THEM. >> Cary: THEN WE'LL PULL THOSE BOTH. WITH THOSE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT, I SUGGEST WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEMS B AND C PULLED. >> Cary: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BENNETT TO PULL THOSE AND PASS IT WITH THOSE PULLED. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE VOTE. WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE A SHOW OF HANDS -- HERE WE GO. WE'RE LIVE NOW. GREAT. OKAY. AND THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A VOTE OF 7-0. SO WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO CALL ITEM B NOW. >> Lisle: CAN I JUST ASK A FEW QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> Cary: PLEASE DO. >> ITEMS B AND C. ITEM B, REVISED SITE PLAN. ACCENT PLAZA BLOCK A, LOT 1, RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH ON ONE LOT ON ONE ACRE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND ACCENT DRIVE. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS KIMVEN CORPORATION. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. ITEM C, REVISED SITE PLAN: ACCENT PLAZA BLOCK A, LOT 2, RETAIL ON ONE LOT ON 7.9 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ACCENT DRIVE, 145 SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY, ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS KIMVEN CORPORATION. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> Cary: NOW WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON IT? COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: MIKE, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU. IT LOOKS -- WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS NEW SITE PLAN? >> THEY ARE ADDING A PATIO ADDITION AND THAT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES SO THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE BOUNDARY LINE TO ADD IN A FEW ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. AND THEN THE ACCOMPANYING ITEM ON ITEM C IS JUST TO REFLECT THAT CHANGE IN LOT LINE. >> Lisle: SO THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE A PATIO ON THE NEW SITE PLAN WAS A PLAYGROUND AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. IT WAS THE PLAYGROUND FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A. >> Lisle: WHAT WAS THE PARKING RATIO FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA? >> IT'S ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET. EVERY 100 SQUARE FEET THEY ADDED THEY HAD TO ADD A PARKING SPACE. >> Lisle: SO A DRIVE-THROUGH IS 1:100 FOR PATIO. >> A RESTAURANT IS 1:100. >> Lisle: MY QUESTION WAS WHAT WAS THE EXISTING PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A FOR THE PARK AND PLAYGROUND AREA? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HAND BUT I CAN LOOK IT UP AND TRY TO GET IT FOR YOU. >> Lisle: AND SO THEY'RE TAKING THE 750 SQUARE FEET AND MAKING IT A PATIO. HOW MANY MORE SPACES DID THAT REQUIRE? AND IF WE DON'T KNOW THE MATH ON WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY NEEDED ANY MORE? >> SO WE COMPARE THE EXISTING SITE TO THE PROPOSED ADDITION, BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL 100 SQUARE FEET IS MAYBE SEVEN THEY WERE ADDED ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE THEY SHARE WITH THE PGA STORE SITE. >> Lisle: RIGHT. SO THE THREE THERE TO THE EAST WERE ALREADY THERE AND THEN I GUESS THESE FOUR ARE GETTING ADDING. >> YES. I'M GETTING INFORMATION THERE WERE FOUR ADDITIONAL REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. >> Lisle: I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THERE'S 37 PARKING SPOTS ON THE SITE. I THOUGHT WE JUST PASSED A 10% REDUCTION AND SO WAS THE REDUCTION NOT SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE SITE PLAN PROCESS? >> NO. AN ADDITION WAS NOT REQUESTED. THEY WERE WELL INTO THIS PLAN BEFORE THAT REDUCTION WAS APPROVED, SO THIS HAS BEEN IN PROCESS IN THIS FORMAT FOR SOMETIME. >> Lisle: AND IF THEY WEREN'T ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD IN THE PROCESS, WOULD THE REDUCTION THAT WAS PASSED HAVE SOLVED THIS? >> IT VERY WELL COULD HAVE. YES. >> Lisle: UNDER WHAT AREA OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD IT HAVE SOLVED THIS? >> SO THE NEW ORDINANCE ALLOWS ADDITIONS TO REQUEST A 10% REDUCTION IN PARKING FROM STAFF AND A 20% FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. >> Lisle: 10% FROM STAFF, 20% FROM THE P&Z. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> Lisle: IS THAT 16.1 THE 00 PARKING REDUCTION PROGRAM? >> NO, THE PARKING REDUCTION WAS THE PREEXISTING INFORMATION. >> Lisle: HAS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE BEEN UPDATED -- [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND AND I'LL PULL THAT UP FOR YOU. THAT IS SECTION 16.100C, PROVISIONS FOR INFILL REDEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION TO BUILDING SPACE. >> Lisle: 16.100C. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ON THAT. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THE ZONING ORDINANCE -- >> Lisle: 16.100 DOESN'T HAVE A C FROM WHAT I PRINTED TODAY. >> WE CAN SEE WHAT SOURCE YOU HAVE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE POSTED TO THE PLANNING WEBSITE. IT'S 16.100.1C. >> Lisle: SO WITH THE NEW THING THAT WAS PASSED IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. >> IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED BUT THEY WERE WELL UNDER THE DESIGN PHASE AT THIS POINT. >> Lisle: AND ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, THEY MAY SEEM SILLY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE PASSED AND WHY THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SIMPLER THAN TWO SITE PLANS. I'M JUST TRYING TO LEARN. THANK YOU. >> Cary: ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> Lisle: THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO -- >> Cary: I DO HAVE ONE. WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD, IS IT THE INTENTION OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT APPLICANTS KNOW THAT THEY CAN REQUEST REDUCTIONS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ON THEIR SHOULDERS TO KNOW THE ORDINANCE? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS WHERE WE DON'T NEED EXTRA PARKING WE SHOULD TRY TO AVOID IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE MAY MANAGE THAT GOING FORWARD. >> SURE. IT'S SOMETHING WE WILL BE ADVISING WHEN IT COMES UP. IN INSTANCES JUST LIKE THIS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD ONE BUT THEY WERE SO FAR ALONG, THEY WERE IN A PLATTING ISSUE AT THAT POINT. BUT YES. >> Cary: PERFECT. THANK YOU. >> Lisle: WITH THAT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS ITEM B AND C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PROPOSED. >> SECOND. >> Cary: WE HAVE A MOTION TO PASS B AND C BY COMMISSIONER LISLE. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES BY 7-0. WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 1. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING ━ PRELIMINARY REPLAT & REVISED SITE PLAN: COLLIN CREEK FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH, BLOCK A, LOT 1R ━ RELIGIOUS FACILITY AND COMMERCIAL ANTENNA ON ONE LOT ON 2.7 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PARKER ROAD, 1,400 FEET WEST OF JUPITER ROAD ZONED AGRICULTURAL. APPLICANT: COLLIN CREEK FREE BAPTIST CHURCH OF PLANO TX. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDEATION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOHN KIM. PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT. AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Cary: ANY QUESTIONS, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, I WILL -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Cary: OH, I'M SORRY. >> THE PURPOSE FOR THE COMMERCIAL ANTENNA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR? >> I BELIEVE IT'S COMMERCIAL MOBILE ANTENNA. >> Olley: MOBILE ANTENNA? IT MOVES? >> NO, MOBILE NETWORKS, LIKE TELEPHONE. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Cary: ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO? ARE THERE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM? >> THERE ARE NONE. >> Cary: SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1, PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. >> SECOND. >> Cary: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM PASSES 7-0. SO LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 2, PLEASE. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2024-001 ━ REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A 95-FOOT COMMERCIAL ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE ON 0.1 ACRE LOCATED 235 FEET NORTH OF DEMOCRACY DRIVE AND 220 FEET EAST OF PARTNERSHIP ROAD. ZONED COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT. PETITIONER: C.A. BASS, LLC. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. JORDAN ROCKERBIE, INTERIM LEAD PLANNER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A ZONING CASE FOR A PROPOSED 95-FOOT TALL COMMERCIAL TOWER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING AND STAFF RECOMMENDS ACCEPTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. >> Cary: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: ROCKERBIE, THANK GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING. MY FIRST QUESTION IS CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US THE PURPOSE FOR THE TABLING? >> FOR SURE. THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED REPLAT WITH THIS APPLICATION. THAT REPLAT IS NOT IN SHAPE TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT IS WORKING TO REDESIGN THE TOWER WHICH MAY RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT. THAT WOULD REQUIRE RENOTICING THIS ZONING CASE AS WELL. >> Bronsky: AND WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT? >> YES. THE REDESIGN WAS ENCOURAGED BY STAFF. THE APPLICATION THAT CAME IN WAS FOR A 95-FOOT TALL ARTIFICIAL TREE AND THE APPLICANT IS DOING A FLAGLESS FLAGPOLE INSTEAD. >> Bronsky: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, JUST IN GENERAL. I THINK IT MIGHT HELP, BOTH FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITIZENRY AS WELL AS FOR THOSE OF US ON P&Z IF YOU GUYS COULD PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER IT'S -- ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TABLING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THIS BACK AND FORTH. >> WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. >> Cary: I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS DO WE HAVE WHEN THEY'RE TABLING IT TO SO IF THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT. >> FOR SURE. >> Cary: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WITH NONE, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS US? >> I HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS. >> Cary: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS. THEN HEARING THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL NOW CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. >> MR. SPEAKER, I SUGGEST THAT WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM NO. 2 TO A FUTURE DATE. UNSPECIFIED FUTURE DATE. >> Cary: WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY. PLEASE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES BY 7-0. IF WE COULD MOVE TO NO. 3, PLEASE. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2024-004 ━ REQUEST TO EXPAND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 660 FOR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION FROM 0.3 ACRE TO 0.6 ACRE ON TWO LOTS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 19TH STREET, 400 FEET WEST OF N AVENUE. ZONED GENERAL OFFICE. PETITIONER: AGAPE RESOURCE & ASSISTANCE CENTER, INC. THIS IS FOR LEGISL. WE HAVE FOUR REGISTERED OPINIONS ON THIS ITEM. ALL FOUR ARE IN SUPPORT. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXPAND SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT NO. 660 FOR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION. HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTIONS PROVIDE CARE FOR EIGHT OR MORE PERSONS, REGARDLESS OF LEGAL RELATIONSHIP WHO ARE ELDERLY, DISABLED, OR ABANDONED OR NEGLECTED CHILDREN, VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, RECOVERING FROM ILLNESS OR RENDERED TEMPORARILY HOMELESS DUE TO FIRE OR FINANCIAL SETBACK. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. ON THE NORTH SIDE IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDEs ARE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS AN EXISTING SCHOOL . THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AS A HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION WITH A RESTRICTION OF 20 RESIDENTS. THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS OFFICES FOR THE HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION AND THIS IS WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THEIR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIMIT THIS BUILDING TO 20 RESIDENTS AS WELL FOR A TOTAL OF 40 RESIDENTS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED AGAINST OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS REQUEST DOES MEET THE DESCRIPTIONS AND PRIORITIES AS WELL AS THE MIX OF USES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND DASHBOARDS. WE DID RECEIVE THREE RESPONSES WITHIN 200 FEET. TWO ARE IN SUPPORT AND ONE IS NEUTRAL. WE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES, TWO IN SUPPORT, ONE NEUTRAL, AND ONE IN OPPOSITION . AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION WHICH INCLUDES PROVIDING TEMPORARY HOUSING AND ASSOCIATED SERVICES FOR THEIR PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS TO 20 PER BUILDING. THE REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR THESE REASONS STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL. >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: AS OF THE TIME THE SUP WAS GRANTED IN 2015, THE APPLICANT OWNED BOTH PLATS? >> I AM NOT SURE AT THE TIME IF THEY OWNED BOTH PROPERTIES BUT THEY DO OWN BOTH PROPERTIES AT THE MOMENT. >> Olley: SECOND QUESTION. THE SUP IS ATTACHED TO THE PLAT AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OF 20 PER BUILDING. IF THAT BUILDING SIZE EVER CHANGES AND COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN 20, DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO REQUEST A LIFTING OF THAT RESTRICTION? WHAT'S THE MECHANICS THERE? CONVERSELY, THE BUILDING SIZE SHRINKS, DOES THAT 20, IS IT ATTACHED TO A BUILDING OR IS IT ATTACHED TO ACREAGE OR TO THE PLAT? >> IT'S ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY SO THE RESTRICTION WOULD STAND AT 20 PER BUILDING. IF THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE SUP IN THE FUTURE TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS. >> I'D LIKE TO ADD, I'M SURE THERE ARE BUILDING OCCUPANCY NUMBERS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. >> WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE 20 PER BUILDING BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, LOT COVERAGE HEIGHT WOULD BE LIMITING FACTORS ANYWAY SO IT IS UNLIKELY THEY WOULD GET MORE BUILDINGS. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Cary: COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: I'M NOTICING THE ZONING IS GENERAL OFFICE. IS THIS TYPE OF USE WORK IN GENERAL OFFICE? >> IT IS ALLOWED THROUGH THE SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT PROCESS SO IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE ON THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. >> Lisle: I WAS JUST SEEING IF IT WAS A PD, BUT IT'S NOT A PD. WERE THERE ANY OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT WERE A PART OF THE ORIGINAL SUP? >> NO. IT WAS JUST THE 20 RESIDENTS. >> Lisle: JUST THE 20 RESIDENTS. OKAY. >> Cary: OKAY. NO OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THAT'S A YES. COME ON DOWN. >> I HAVE A JANET COLLINGSWORTH WITH AGAPE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANET COLLINSWORTH, 7709 WINDSOR IN THE COLONY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION HERE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AGAPE AND I HOPE BY THE TIME I'M FINISHED I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED, PARTICULARLY HOW WILL THIS ACCOMMODATE AND WHO IT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVING, PERHAPS. SO AGAPE RESOURCE AND ASSISTANT CENTER, WE PROVIDE HOUSING AND WRAPAROUND SUPPORT SERVICES, SERVICES FOR HOMELESS SINGLE MOMS AND THEIR CHILDREN AND OUR FOCUS IS TO EMPOWER THEM THROUGH OUR SUPPORT SERVICES TO OVERCOME HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY AND ABUSE AND MOVE ON TO FULFILLING SELF-SUSTAINING LIVES. 90% OF THE WOMEN THAT WE SERVE ARE ABUSE SURVIVORS. EVERYTHING FROM VERBAL ABUSE, FINANCIAL ABUSE, SEXUAL ABUSE, AND TRAFFICKING. AND IF 90% OF OUR WOMEN ARE SURVIVORS, THEN 90% OF OUR CHILDREN ARE ALSO SURVIVORS. WE HAVE A TWO-GENERATIONAL PROGRAM THAT HELPS THE CHILDREN OVERCOME THE TRAUMA THAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED AS WELL. OUR PROGRAM IS TRAUMA-BASED CARE. WE BEGAN IN 2013, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 YEARS OLD. AND I AM THE FOUNDER. WE BEGAN BECAUSE THE HOMELESSNESS IN COLLIN COUNTY, I RAISED MY KIDS HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY, IT WAS INCREASING AND I RAISED MY KIDS AND I DIDN'T SEE IT. I WAS A PASTOR AT ST. ANDREW THERE AND WE BEGAN TO TALK TO THE FOLKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU COMING IN FOR FOOD? HOW ELSE CAN WE HELP YOU? AND I LEARNED THAT FOOD INSECURITY WAS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. REALLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS WE HAD HOMELESSNESS INCREASING. NOW YOU CAN SEE IT ON OUR STREETS. THESE ARE ALL WITHIN FOUR, FIVE BLOCKS FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE TODAY. THEY ARE ON 18th STREET, AVENUE K, AND THEN ACTUALLY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FARTHER. THAT'S OVER ON JUPITER. WE DON'T HAVE A HOMELESS SHELTER. WHEN I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE, IT WAS IN 2012 AND THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF AGENCIES THAT PROVIDED HOUSING, LESS THAN 300 BEDS. THOSE AGENCIES, WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER IN COLLIN COUNTY. THOSE AGENCIES WERE TURNING AWAY IN 2012, ABOUT 4,000 INDIVIDUALS EVERY YEAR. 75% WERE WOMEN-LED FAMILIES. AND THERE WASN'T A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED AGAPE. AND, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE SEEN HOMELESSNESS INCREASE EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY. YOU CAN SEE THEM ON OUR STREETS AND THE REASON FOR THIS, MOST RECENTLY, IS THE INCREASE IN ESCALATING RENT THAT WE SEE HERE. YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, I KNOW. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEW STATISTICS, THESE ARE UPDATED THROUGH NOVEMBER OF 2023 AND THIS IS AN AVERAGE ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT IN PLANO HAS INCREASED 52% SINCE DECEMBER OF 2019. AND THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE COVID. AND SO NOW THAT RENT TODAY, AS OF NOVEMBER, IS $1700 A MONTH. THAT'S FAR MORE THAN OUR $11, $15 OUR WOMEN CAN AFFORD AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE BECOME HOMELESS IN ADDITION TO THE ABUSE. SO OUR SUCCESS RATE IS 75%. IN THOSE TEN YEARS WE HAVE SERVED 270 WOMEN AND CHILDREN. OVER 75 FAMILIES WITH 86 CHILDREN HAVE GRADUATED WITH HIGHER INCOME, ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR CHILDREN WITH VOCATIONAL JOBS. OUR AGENCY IS ANCHORED IN EDUCATION TO HIGHER INCOME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN YOUR FAMILY ON $12 TO $15 A YEAR. SO WE PAY -- THEIR HOUSING IS FREE. WE PAY FOR CHILDCARE. WE PAY FOR EDUCATION. WE PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION. WE HELP THEM WITH THAT. AND WE PAY FOR COUNSELING AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS. THEY PAY 15% OF WHAT WE PAY OUT OF OUR POCKETS. SO THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO CHANGING THEIR LIVES. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 75% SUCCESS RATE WITH THIS. OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND TRANSFORMATIONAL SUPPORT SERVICES TO HOMELESS WOMEN, MOMS, AND THEIR CHILDREN AND WE EMPOWER THEM. THEY HAVE TO DO THE WORK. TO MOVE OUT OF CRISIS AND POVERTY INTO FULFILLING, SELF-SUSTAINING LIVES. HOW DO WE DO THIS? WE DO THIS WITH A VERY HOLISTIC WRAPAROUND PROGRAM. WE HAVE FIVE PILLARS. HOUSING, NOT JUST PROVIDING HOUSING, BUT WHY AREN'T YOU RENTABLE? WHY CAN'T YOU RENT? AND WE START WORKING ON THOSE BARRIERS. IF YOU DON'T EARN ENOUGH, THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEND YOU TO SCHOOL SO YOU CAN GET CERTIFICATIONS AND EDUCATION. WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM GED TO PhD WOMEN. SO IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL DEMOGRAPHIC. SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED. WE ARE SITUATIONALLY HOMELESS, BY AND LARGE. SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS RENDERED THEM HOMELESS FOR THE PREDOMINANT NUMBER, 90% OF THEM, THAT SOMETHING IS ABUSE. DEVELOPMENTAL CHILDCARE. A MOM THAT'S MAKING $15 AN HOUR CAN'T AFFORD CHILDCARE AND TO WORK FULL-TIME. SO WE PAY FOR THEIR CHILDCARE SO THAT THEY CAN WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL. TRANSPORTATION. OVER 50% OF OUR WOMEN THAT COME TO US DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION OR DON'T HAVE RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION OR DON'T HAVE LEGAL TRANSPORTATION. SO WE HELP THEM GET ALL OF THOSE THINGS. EDUCATION TO HIGHER INCOME. WE HELP THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO BE WHEN THEY GROW UP AND WHAT THEY WANT TO BE WHEN THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. AND WE ENROLL THEM IN COLLIN COLLEGE. WE WORK WITH TEXAS WORKFORCE. THEY HAVE CERTIFICATIONS. WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM PROJECT MANAGERS TO NURSES WHEN THEY GRADUATE. SO IT IS ACTUALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL. WHAT WE FIND IS THESE WOMEN ARE TRAUMATIZED AND THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE VERY LOW, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE SOME OF OUR WOMEN. WE'VE REALLY COMMITTED TO THIS HEALTH AND WELLNESS AREA OF OUR FOCUS. WE HAVE PAID FOR SURGERIES. WE'VE PAID FOR DENTAL WORK. BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T FOCUS IN THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEIR TEETH HURT OR THEY GET SICK, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER BARRIER THAT WE HELP THEM OVERCOME. SO NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXPAND. THE INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS IS ALSO AN INCREASE IN THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE SERVE. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY USED THE EASTERN BUILDING -- THIS IS ALL ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. NO, WE DID NOT OWN ALL OF BOTH BUILDINGS BUT WE DID OWN ONE UNIT IN THE 1315, THE WESTERN PROPERTY. SO WE'RE A NONPROFIT AND SO LITTLE BY LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'VE BOUGHT -- THESE ARE OFFICE CONDOMINIUMS, BY THE WAY. THEY ARE FOUR UPSTAIRS/DOWNSTAIRS CONDOMINIUMS. LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'VE BOUGHT EACH ONE OF THOSE QUADS UNTIL FINALLY WE OWNED A WHOLE BUILDING AND WE COULD GET A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. OUR LONG-TERM PLAN WAS TO EVENTUALLY OWN THEM BOTH AND OUR GOAL WAS TO EVENTUALLY TURN ALL OF THEM INTO HOUSING. SO BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFICE CONDOS, WE REMODELED THEM INTO APARTMENTS. I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF IT. THE 1325, THE ONE THAT WE GOT IN 2015, HAS PROVIDED JUST THAT ONE -- THIS IS NOT ALL OF OUR PROPERTY BUT JUST THAT ONE BUILDING HAS PROVIDED SAFE, STABLE HOUSING FOR 88 WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN. 46 WOMEN-LED FAMILIES AND 42 CHILDREN IN JUST THAT NUMBER OF YEARS. WHAT IS THAT? EIGHT YEARS. SO WE EXPECT TO DO THE SAME. WHEN WE EXPAND, THESE FOUR OFFICES ARE TURNED INTO FOUR TOWNHOMES. WE DO SHARED HOUSING SO EACH TOWNHOME SERVICES TWO FAMILIES. AND THIS IS -- IT'S VERY SMALL BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN -- EACH HOUSEHOLD HAS THEIR OWN BEDROOM AND THEY SHARE THE COMMON AREAS. THERE'S A LIVING ROOM. IT LOOKS LIKE A TOWNHOME WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT. AND THEY'RE VERY NICE AND THEY FEEL LIKE HOME. YOU CAN SEE THE OUTSIDE OF THEM. IT'S ALL GARDEN AND GREEN ALL THE WAY AROUND IT SO THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE THEY LIVE. AND OUR KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY. THERE'S BACKYARDS IN THE BACK OF THE NORTHERN STRIPS ON BOTH BUILDINGS. SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY AND THEY HAVE SAFE PLACES TO -- LIKE THE ENCLOSED WHERE IT SAYS "AGAPE." THAT'S AN ENCLOSED PORCH ON THE BACK OF ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS. WE ALSO HAVE A CHILDREN'S PROGRAM MANAGER, SO SHE WORKS WITH THEM TO GET THEM UP TO AGE-APPROPRIATE ACADEMICS AND DEVELOPMENT. SO WE DEFINITELY FOCUS ON THE WHOLE FULL FAMILY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SPECIAL-USE PERMIT OR SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EXPAND IT TO COVER BOTH BUILDINGS. WE WON'T REMODEL THEM RIGHT AWAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO REMODEL THE NORTHERN TWO RIGHT AWAY AND RETAIN THE SOUTHERN TWO IN 1315, THE WESTERN BUILDING FOR OUR OFFICES, SO WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH OUR FAMILIS PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. AND THIS IS OUR WONDERUL ARCHITECT. I WILL ASK FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU AND TURN IT OVER -- CAN I DO THAT? >> Cary: SURE. THAT'S FINE. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY ARE PROVIDING A VERY NEEDED SERVICE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT FANTASTICALLY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. FOR YOUR SUCCESSFUL TENANTS THERE, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE STAY UNTIL THEY MOVE ON SUCCESSFULLY? >> SO IT'S ABOUT A YEAR. WE GIVE THEM A GRADUATION DATE IN THE FIRST 30 DAYS. SO IF IT'S A SINGLE WOMAN WITH NO CHILDREN, WE GIVE HER A TARGET GRADUATION DATE OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS OUT. IF IT'S A MOM WITH KIDS, WE GIVE HER A GRADUATION DATE OF ABOUT A YEAR OUT. AND IF THEY'RE WORKING THE PROGRAM -- WE HAVE -- WE KEEP MORE METRICS THAN BASEBALL DOES. SO IF THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR METRICS AND FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM AND PROGRESSING ON THEIR OWN PLAN, THEN AT THAT YEAR MARKER -- ACTUALLY BEFORE, THREE MONTHS BEFORE, THEY CAN APPLY FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION. SO IF THEY WERE IN SCHOOL AN NOT QUITE FINISHED AND IF THEY GOT TO STAY ANOTHER THREE TO SIX MONTHS AND ALLOWED TO FINISH AND GET A JOB, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT . >> Cary: GREAT. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. WELL, IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS -- I'M SORRY. A COUPLE. NOW WE HAVE SOME. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I'M VERY IMPRESSED. IT'S A NECESSARY SERVICE AND I WISH YOU ALL THE SUCCESS IN THE WORLD. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHEN THE WOMEN IN YOUR PROGRAM APPROACH THEIR GRADUATION DATES, DO YOU HELP THEM WITH THE TRANSITION OUT TO PRIVATE HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE? >> OH, THAT'S THE HARDEST THING IN THE WORLD. YES, WE DO. WE BEGIN THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE AND WE TRY VERY HARD TO HELP THEM FIND APARTMENTS WITHIN THEIR EARNING POWER. AND BY THEN THEY WOULD HAVE INCREASED BUT PROBABLY NOT ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR VOCATIONAL INCOME AT THAT POINT. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE A JOB IN THAT VOCATION AFTERWARDS. SO THAT HAS BEEN A VERY BIG PROBLEM FOR US THROUGH COVID AND AFTER COVID AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN WYLIE, TEXAS. WE'RE BUILDING 38 UNITS OF INCOME-BASED HOUSING IN WYLIE TEXAS. EVEN WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE HAD GRADS COME BACK AND THEN JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE'VE HAD FOUR GRADS COME BACK BECAUSE WHEN THEIR LEASE WAS UP, WHEREAS THEY COULD AFFORD THE OLD RENT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE NEW. WE DON'T EVER WANT THEM TO BE HOMELESS AGAIN SO THEY'VE COME BACK IN AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM FIND -- AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AVENUE K LOFTS. WE JUST PLACED ONE OF OUR WOMEN IN THERE AND SO WE WORK VERY HARD TO HELP THEM FIND HOUSING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND IT IS NOT EASY. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU. >> Cary: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION BUT I HAVE A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I GREW UP IN A FAMILY WITH VICIOUS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION AND I'M SO THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT PROVIDE THAT POSSIBILITY TO BREAK FREE FROM THE HORROR THAT MY FAMILY HAD TO LIVE THROUGH AND SO MANY HERE IN PLANO HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH EVERY DAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. >> WE ARE VERY BLESSED. MIRACLES EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. >> Cary: COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: THIS IS COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FUNDING FROM? >> FOR US? >> Lisle: TO RUN YOUR PROGRAM. >> I CAN SAY THIS. WE GET OUR FUNDING FROM GOD. WE SEE LITERALLY MIRACLES EVERY DAY BY OUR SUPPORT SYSTEM, THROUGH OUR GRANTS IS ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR SUPPORT. OUR DONOR BASE IS AT LEAST 60% TO 70% FAITH GROUPS OR INTEREST GROUPS THAT REALLY BELIEVE IN GIVING WOMEN A CHANCE AND CHILDREN A CHANCE. AND THEN THE REST OF IT USED TO BE EVENTS. POST-COVID WE'RE MAKING THAT UP MOSTLY BY PUBLIC AND GRANT SUPPORT. SO IT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF RUNNING A NONPROFIT. >> Lisle: AND THEN, LASTLY, ARE Y'ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROUP THAT'S NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION? >> NO. THAT'S EMILY'S PLACE. WE'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WE ARE VERY SIMILAR BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS, AS FAR AS VOCATIONAL GOALS IS KIND OF OUR ANCHOR. BUT WE COLLABORATE AND WE WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE DON'T DUPLICATE. WE BOTH PROVIDE LIFE SKILLS: BUDGETING AND ABUSE, TRAUMA, OVERCOMING IT. WE'RE TRYING TO NOT DUPLICATE BUT COLLABORATE BY HAVING ONE CLASS FOR ALL OF OUR WOMEN. WE DO THAT IN THE LOCAL GOOD CENTER DOWN THE STREET. WE KIND OF HAVE THIS LITTLE ENCLAVE OF SUPPORT RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF 19th ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION. >> Lisle: THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO. >> Cary: FANTASIC, LADIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> THERE ARE NONE. THERE ARE NONE. SORRY. >> Cary: WITH NONE, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S WITH PRIDE THAT I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 3 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SO THANKFUL FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO. >> SECOND. >> Cary: WE HAVE A PRIDEFUL MOTION, WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH, AND A SECOND, EQUALLY PRIDEFUL. SO PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 7-0. LADIES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED. FANTASTIC. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO SOME NON-PUBLIC ITEMS. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. DISCUSSION AND ACTION: C FOR PUBLIC HEARING ━ RECEIVE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY PHASE II REPORT AND REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO EXTEND OR REPEAL THE INTERIM BAN AND PERMANENTLY REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND RELATED LAND USES, INCLUDING ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT REGULATI APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATIO. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 13 OPINIONS REGISTERED. ONE IN SUPPORT, TEN IN OPPOSITION, AND TWO THAT ARE NEUTRAL. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN, I AM THE LAND RECORDS PLANNING MANAGER. TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE PHASE 2 REPORT FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY AND CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO UPDATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY. SO AS YOU KNOW THIS STUDY BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND THE OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION PORTION BEGAN THIS PAST APRIL. A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE WAS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL AND HAS BEEN MEETING SINCE JUNE, REVIEWING DATA, HEARING PUBLIC FEEDBACK, AND HAVING IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS AT THEIR MEETINGS. AT THEIR LAST MEETING THE TASK FORCE ADOPTED THE PHASE II REPORT INCLUDED AS ATTACHMENT A IN YOUR PACKET. WE ARE NOW AT THE END OF THAT PART OF THE PROJECT AND ARE READY TO BEGIN CONSIDERING PERMANENT MEASURES. BEFORE WE GET INTO THINGS, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TASK FORCE CHAIR, PHIL DWYER, TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >> GOOD EVENING. AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR A LITTLE OVER EIGHT MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN INTERESTING, WHICH WAS PREDICTABLE. IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROCESS. IT WILL COME AS NO SURPRISE TO YOU THAT WE MADE A LOT OF GOOD PROGRESS THANKS TO THE HARD WORK OF YOUR PLANNING STAFF, CHRISTINA DAY AND CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN. I KNOW YOU SEE IT WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT. THEY REALLY CARRIED A LOT FOR US AND BROUGHT BACK VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF INFORMATION THAT MADE OUR JOB WORTHWHILE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK MICHELLE D'ANDREA. SHE DID A SUPERB JOB OF LAYING THE BOUNDARIES -- LEGAL BOUNDARIES WITHIN WHICH WE COULD OPERATE. IT WAS NOT A WIDE-OPEN FIELD. THERE ARE RULES AND SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING US ON TRACK AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. WE ALSO HAD A GREAT OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AND FACILITATOR, GAP STRATEGIES. TERRIFIC. AND, OF COURSE, WE HAD THE TASK FORCE ITSELF. AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE HERE. IF Y'ALL WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND, JUST SO -- YEAH. WE'VE GOT SIX OR SEVEN HERE. THE TASK FORCE DID A GREAT JOB. LOTS OF MEETINGS. LOTS OF INFORMATION TO READ. OPEN HOUSES, VIRTUAL TOWN HALLS. A LOT GOING ON. AND AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE, THE CITY COUNCIL INTENTIONALLY APPOINTED A TASK FORCE WITH PEOPLE WITH WIDELY DIVERGING VIEWS. FROM GOOD PEOPLE THAT OPERATE AND OWN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND OPERATE THEM EXACTLY THE WAY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM DONE. AND WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TERRIBLE PERSONAL EXPERIENCES NEXT DOOR TO THEM, ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAVE IMPACTED THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND SO WE'RE COMING FROM THERE, TRY TO GET TO THERE. AND DESPITE THOSE DIFFERENCES, THE COURTESY AND RESPECT SHOWN DURING THE PROCESS WAS OUTSTANDING. REALLY ADMIRE THESE PEOPLE FOR DOING THAT. THEY REALLY HAD SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS BUT THERE WAS -- IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE FOR SOME PEOPLE BUT THE EMOTIONS WERE KEPT IN CHECK. THE TEMPERS WERE KEPT IN CHECK AND COURTESY WAS SHOWN THROUGHOUT, EVEN WHEN SOMEBODY WAS SAYING SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE TOTALLY DISAGREED WITH. SO I REALLY ADMIRE THIS GROUP FOR PULLING TOGETHER. AND IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK WE HAD A FINAL VOTE TO SEND THIS INFORMATION, THIS REPORT TO YOU. AND IT WAS PASSED 17-1. AND I THINK THAT'S A REMARKABLE TESTIMONY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE AS WELL AS MICHELLE AND BOTH CHRISTINAS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO TELL YOU. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. IT'S TIME THAT IT MOVE ON TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND I JUST CAN'T THANK EVERYBODY WHO WAS SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OTHERWISE, I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO CHRISTINA. >> Cary: FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR LEADING THIS. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF PLACES. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIDES TO THIS AND DIFFERENT CHALLENGES TO IT SO THANKS FOR LEADING IT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: WE RECEIVED A REPORT FROM TWO DIFFERENT FOLKS WHEN WE WERE IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON HERE, IT SAYS THE TASK FORCE PROCESS HAS BEEN WOEFULLY ONE SIDED IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTS SEEKING A BAN OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? >> WELL, I WOULD ASK CITY COUNCIL TO RESPOND TO THAT. THEY DID NOT CALL THIS TASK FORCE TOGETHER TO CELEBRTE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE NEEDED TO WORK ON AND CREATE THE TOOLS TO ENSURE THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATION IN OUR COMMUNITY IS RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE APPOINTED TO THE TASK FORCE WHO HAD PROBLEMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN PEOPLE WHO OWNED, OPERATED, AND DID IT VERY WELL. THERE WAS JUST A SMALLER GROUP. DESPITE THAT, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN TO THE MEETINGS WITH A STRONG NEGATIVE BIAS TOWARDS SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHOWED RESTRAINT AND COURTESY DURING THE PROCESS. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THEM PROPERLY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE NOT TREATED FAIRLY. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD GUNSHOTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WANTED SOMETHING COMING OUT OF THIS TASK FORCE, MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE AND AGGRESSIVE THAN WHAT'S COMING FORWARD. SO I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE GOT WHAT THEY WANT AND I THINK THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT WE WERE SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL. WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE MIDDLE, FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, AND BROUGHT 32 RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BUT WE FOUND COMMON -- A LOT OF COMMON GROUND IN THERE. SO I RESPECT THE FEELING OF THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT, TRULY DO, BUT I THINK WHAT'S COMING FORWARD IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL AND THE COUNCIL CAN WORK WITH. >> Cary: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> Lisle: I'VE GOT ANOTHER. SO WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE TO GO THROUGH THE 32 POINTS THAT -- I GUESS THEY'RE BRINGING TO US? >> Cary: WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS ISSUE TONIGHT IS IS TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE FOR TONIGHT. THAT, I THINK, WILL BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REALLY DRILL THROUGH THIS ONCE THEY BRING THAT BACK. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT US -- >> Lisle: I EXPECT I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ONCE WE MAKE IT THERE. >> Cary: THAT'S COMING BACK SOON, I BELIEVE. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR DWYER. SO REGARDING OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU AND WE WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN DEPTH, WHICH WE'LL GET TO HERE IN A MOMENT. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT IT WAS PUT TOGETHER FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH THE TASK FORCE MEETING LAST WEEK. AND WE DO PLAN TO BRING BACK DRAFT ORDINANCE AT OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THE PROPOSAL AND HOW THEY LINE UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE. IT WAS ALSO PUT TOGETHER FROM THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF. SO THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT SEEN THAT PROPOSAL THAT WE WILL GET TO HERE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. SO, AGAIN, TIMELINE OF THE PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE TASK FORCE SINCE JUNE. YOU RECEIVED THE PHASE I REPORT BACK IN OCTOBER AND TONIGHT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PHASE II REPORT WITH PERMANENT RECOMMENDATIONS BEING PART OF OUR DISCUSSION NOW WITH THE GOAL TO ADOPT THEM BY THE TIME THE INTERIM BAN EXPIRES ON MAY 15th. SO IN THOSE PHASE I RESULTS -- AND THERE'S A LINK ONLINE AND IN YOUR PACKET. THE TASK FORCE FOUND THREE FINDINGS AS PART OF THAT EIGHT ISSUES AND SEVEN CONSIDERATIONS IN REGARDS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN PLANO. PHASE II REALLY FOCUSES ON CREATING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PERMANENT MEASURES BASED ON THOSE PHASE I FINDINGS, ISSUES, AND CONSIDERATIONS. SO THERE WAS CONTINUED DATA OUTREACH -- SORRY, DATA COLLECTION DURING THIS PHASE AS WELL AS PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH THREE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE MEETINGS. AN OPEN HOUSE, BOTH IN PERSON AND ONLINE, FACILITATED BY GAP STRATEGIES, OUR FACILITATOR FOR THE PROJECT. AND PROJECT WEBSITE AND ADVERTISING AT PLANOSTR.COM. FROM THE OPEN HOUSE, THE MAIN QUESTION THERE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS PRESENTED WITH THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE AND THE PUBLIC WAS ASKED IS THE TASK FORCE GENERALLY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. RESPONSES DID VARY, AS THE CHAIR NOTED. EVEN FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE TASK FORCE. BUT FOUND THAT 65.8% OF RESPONDENTS AGREE OR SOMEWHAT AGREED THAT WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THE TASK FORCE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY FABRIC BASED ON ISSUE G FROM THE PHASE I FINDINGS. COMMUNITY FABRIC IS A CORE VALUE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. THEY RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND FROM THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN REGARDS TO COMMUNITY FABRIC IN PLANO. THE FOCUS WAS ON THE FREQUENT TURNOVER OF RESIDENTS IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS DOES DISTINGUISH THEM FROM OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE CITY. THAT IMPACTS THE PREDICTABILITY OF RESOLVING ISSUES WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY ARE IN FOUR CATEGORIES. THE FIRST IS REGISTRATION AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. THE OVERVIEW IS TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING. IT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED ON TUESDAY, MARCH 19. FULL CONSIDERATION IS PLANNED FOR MONDAY, APRIL 22. REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND IN FUTURE MEETINGS. CONSIDERATION OF AMORTIZATION OR BUYOUTS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN CERTAIN AREAS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR AND THERE ARE SOME STATE REQUIREMENTS FROM SENATE BILL 929 THAT REQUIRE PROCEDURES, SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. ADDITIONALLY, TRAINING FOR NEW AND RENEWING SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, WHICH WILL BE PART OF THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM. AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING. I DO HAVE THEM ON THE SCREEN FOR REFERENCE BUT THEY ARE QUITE LONG SO TO SUMMARIZE, FOCUS ON LOCATIONS. THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS BE PERMITTED ANYWHERE A HOTEL IS ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL, MIXED-USE, AND TOD AREAS. ON USES, THEY DISCUSSED HAVING DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR STRs WITH LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT. AND POTENTIAL UPDATES TO RELATED USES. AND THEN SOME ZONING TOOLS TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY OR ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION TEY GO. SO IT COULD BE MAXIMUM DENSITY IN A SPECIFIED AREA. A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RENTAL NIGHTS PER YEAR AND/OR MINIMUM NIGHT STAYS. AND A COUPLE OTHER CATEGORIES INCLUDING NOT BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT. PLANNED FOR THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM. AND THEN A FULL ANALYSIS OF STREET PARKING ISSUES AS A SEPARATE PROJECT. AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THESE PROPOSALS, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT. DOES MANAGEMENT LIVE ON SITE? IS IT FOR A LIMITED TIME PERIOD OR IS THE RENTAL FOR THE WHOLE YEAR? IS LODGING ALLOWED IN THE SAME AREA HOTELS? AND WHAT IS THE LAND USE CONTEXT FOR THE AREA? SO THE PROPOSAL FOR TONIGHT IS FOR THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND MOSTLY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT AND OFF-SITE MANAGEMENT. THE FIRST IS BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM. THAT IS WITH LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT AND ONE INDIVIDUAL ROOM. THE SECOND IS BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. THAT'S SIMILAR TO OUR EXISTING BED AND BREAKFAST INN USE. IT WOULD BE FOR TWO TO FIVE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AND, AGAIN, LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS FOR VACATION RENTAL. THAT'S FOR A FULL UNIT SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITH OFF-SITE MANAGEMENT. ALL OF THESE WILL BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION ORDINANCE AND THEY WOULD ALSO ONLY BE PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL USES. SO EVEN IF THEY'RE ALLOWED IN AREAS WHERE THERE AREN'T RESIDENCES, THAT'S THE IDEA THAT IT'S STILL ONLY HAPPENING IN A RESIDENTIAL USE. SO THEN WITH THOSE POTENTIAL USES IN MIND, THERE ARE -- WHERE ARE THE LOCATIONS WHERE THESE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE? SO A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE. SO THAT WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. THAT'S THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT. A BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WAS FOUND TO BE -- BASED ON THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, ALLOWED WHERE HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED TO AVOID NON-CONFORMING USES WHERE A BED AND BREAKFAST INN AND ALSO ANY LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE A HERITAGE PROPERTY, AS THOSE ARE OFTEN APPROPRIATE FOR BED AND BREAKFAST-TYPE USES. HOWEVER, IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, EXCEPT THERE IS ONE WHERE BED AND BREAKFAST INNS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT IS PROPOSED SO THESE CAN BE EVALUATED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND SOME OF THOSE ZONING TOOLS MIGHT BE APPLICABLE SUCH AS THE LOW CASE, THINGS LIKE THAT. UNDER VACATION RENTAL, THEY JUST FOLLOW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IN MIXED-USE, COMMERCIAL, AND TOD AREAS. HOWEVER, WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS WE FOUND THAT REALLY THAT ALIGNS WITH WHERE HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY DISTRICTS WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED. THERE'S ONE WHERE THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED. AND THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THESE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, LARGELY AS MIXED-USE OR RETAIL CORNER REDEVELOPMENT AREAS. AND SO THOSE LOCATIONS WOULD GENERALLY HAVE GOVERNANCE ASSOCIATIONS OR APARTMENT BUILDING MANAGEMENT. SO AND THEN WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION IN THE REPORT ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF THOSE EXISTING RESIDENCES. THERE WOULD BE NO SUP OPTION FOR A VACATION RENTAL, PER THE PROPOSAL. THE TASK FORCE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY FOR LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS. DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF, THEY- SCENARIOS WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENT TO OFFER THEIR HOME AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, MAYBE WHEN TRAVELING OVER THE SUMMER OR STAYING IN A HOSPITAL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR CARING FOR AN ILL FAMILY MEMBER. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE, WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER HOW LONG WOULD LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS BE APPROPRIATE? ONE 30-DAY PERIOD, 60-DAY, 90-DAY. IS A LONG-TERM STAY HELPFUL IN REGULATING THAT USE AND, IF SO, WHAT WOULD THAT TERM BE. SO THIS IS THAT CHART, INCLUDING A COLUMN FOR THE LIMITED SEASONAL PERIOD. IT WOULDNT BE NECESSARY FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED ALREADY. BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS ON A LIMITED BASIS COULD BE ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE, SAME WITH VACATION RENTALS. THERE IS A CHART IN ATTACHMENT C IN YOUR PACKET THAT COMPARES ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL AS OTHER RENTAL USES SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM ALL TOGETHER. SO, UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A MAP. I WILL NOTE FOR ALL OF THESE MAPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS MAY HAVE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES AND GENERALLY ARE NOT GOING TO BE MAPPED HERE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE TIME TO GET THOSE MAPPED PROPERLY. AND THEN NOTE THAT NON-CONFORMING USES FROM THE INTERIM BAN FROM MAY 15, 2023, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN THESE AREAS. SO THIS MAP SHOWS BED AND BREAKFAST ONE BEDROOM. THE PINK AREA WOULD BE AREAS WHERE RESIDENCES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND THEREFORE BED AND PRESSED ONE ROOM WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AS WELL, PROVIDED THEY REGISTER AND ARE IN A RESIDENCE. THE ORANGE SHOWS AN AREA WHERE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT BUT ANY NEW HOUSING WOULD BE VIA A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT SO THEY DON'T NEED IT FOR THE STR USE BUT THEY NEED IT FOR THE HOUSING USE. NEXT, BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. WE HAVE THREE CATEGORIES HERE. THE YELLOW SHOWS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY SUP OR A SEASONAL LIMITED RENTAL. AND NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THE ORANGE SHOWS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT BUT NEW HOUSING IS ONLY PERMITTED BY SUP. IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME BUT I FELT IT WAS HELPFUL TO SHOW THAT THE HOUSING ISN'T ALLOWED JUST ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. AND THEN THE PINK SHOWS WHERE THIS BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOM USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT YEAR ROUND AND HOUSING LASTLY, THE VACATION REPLY. YELLOW IS AREAS WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE DISALLOWED, ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT BE ALLOWED ON A SEASONAL BASIS, BUT NOW HOU --NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED Y RIGHT. THE ORANGE IS WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE ALLOWED YEAR-ROUND BUT HOUSING IS ONLY ALLOWED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND THE PINK IS AGAIN WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED YEAR-ROUND AND NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THIS IS ALSO A BUSIER MAP. WE TRIED TO SHOW AREAS WHERE HOUSING CURRENTLY EXISTS IN AREAS WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED. SO THE INTENTION IS THAT VACATION RENTALS WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED IN THESE BLUE -- PURPLE, BLUE, AND GREEN LOCATIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO, OUR NEXT SET OF INFORMATION IS HOW THIS PROPOSAL WOULD AFFECT THE USES THAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME OF THE BAN. THERE WERE 464 LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED BY BECKARD AND UNDER THE PROPOSAL, 50 OF OUR BED AND BREAKFAST ONE-ROOMS, ALL BED AND BREAKFAST ONE-ROOMS WOULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THERE ARE NO WHER BED AND BREAKT TWO TO FIVE ROOMS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND APPROXIMATELY 79 EXISTING VACATION RENTALS THAT WOULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I WILL ALSO APOLOGIZE, AS THE NAMES FOR THESE PROPOSED USES HAVE CHANGED IN OUR VARIOUS DRAFTS. THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDED SOME OF THE OLD NAMES. IT YOU SEE BED AND BREAKFAST RESIDENCES, THAT'S THE SAME AS ONE-ROOM AND BED AND BREAKFAST IN THE CURRENT USES NAME IS THE SAME AS BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. FOR THE NONCONFORMING USES, THERE ARE NO BED AND BREAKFAST ONE-ROOM, THEY WOULD BECOME CONFORMING. BUT THE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WE HAVE SEVEN OF THOSE IN OUR DATA AND THOSE WOULD BE NONCONFORMING BUT THEY COULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY OPERATE SEASONALLY OR APPROVE A S.U.P. AND REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND THEN FOR VACATION RENTALS WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 328 THAT WOULD REMAIN NONCONFORMING. IF WE ALLOW THEM AS SEASONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL THEY COULD BECOME CONFORMING FOR A LIMITED TIMEFRAME. OUR POLICE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA IDENTIFIED 15 PROPERTIES WITH THREE OR MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN A YEAR. WE CALL THAT OUR TOP 15. ALL OF THOSE TOP 15 ARE VACATION RENTALS AND NONE OF THEM WOULD BE PERMITTED IF THEY WERE NEW UNDER THE PROPOSED STANDARD. THEY WOULD ALL BE NONCONFORMING VACATION RENTALS. EACH NONCONFORMING USE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS AN STR BY THE DEADLINE, WHATEVER THAT DEADLINE ENDS UP BEING, AS COUNCIL SETS IT. THIS IS THE MAP OF THOSE LOCATIONS. IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN. ATTACHMENT D4. THE CONFORMING USES ARE FLU AND THE NONCONFORMING ARE RED. THE TWO BED AND BREAKFAST ARE SQUARES AND THE VACATION RENTALS ARE CIRCLES, BUT, AGAIN, BETTER IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THE MAP. ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN YOUR REPORT, ASSEMBLY HALL WE ARE PLANNING TO ADDRESS IN THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AND PARKING WOULD INVOLVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT -- THIS IS FOCUSED ON STREET PARKING AND IT WOULD INVOLVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. WE DON'T THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THE TIME WE HAVE BEFORE THE INTERIM BAN. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS BE CONSIDERED AS A SEPARATE PROJECT AFTER WE ADOPT THE PERMANENT RECOMMENDATIONS. IN SUMMARY, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS -- I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING. BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TODEVELOPED AFTER CONSIDERABLE TIME BASED ON A LOT OF DISCUSSION, PUBLIC FEEDBACK, AND DATA AVAILABLE. AND THEY HELPED CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD TO -- OF THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND DESIRES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING YOU THIS OVERVIEW NOW SO YOU COULD START TO THINK ABOUT IT AND WE COULD BRING YOU MORE DETAIL AT OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS. WE ASK YOU CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. AFTER THAT, STAFF WILL ACCOPUBLISHNOTICES. WE ARE LOOKING TO SEND OUT NOTICES CITYWIDE. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT. SO IF WE CAN MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS OUR PLAN. MARCH 18TH WE'LL BRING A MORE DETAILED DRAFT TO YOU WITH SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. AND THEN ON APRIL 1ST, WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST MEETING AT DAVIS LIBRARY. SO, PLEASE NOTE THE DIFFERENT LOCATION. AND THEN APRIL 22ND, CITY COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER THIS AGAIN ALSO AT DAVIS LIBRARY AND THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERING THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AT THAT SAME MEETING. AND ALL OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE PROCESS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE INTERIM BAN ON THE 15TH. WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITIES AT PLANOSTR.COM. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH TRANSITIONING THAT SITE FROM STRATEGIES TO THE CITY'S PLANO.GOV WEBSITE. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION UP THERE WITHIN A WEEK, BUT STAY TUNED. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PURPOSE. >> THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT HERE. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE. SO, REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE GOAL TONIGHT WAS TO EXPOSE SOME THINGS AND TO SHARE SOME THINGS AND TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SHOCKED WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OH WAIT. MAYBE WE DO. [ LAUGHING ] >> SO, WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO THE STAFF. Y'ALL HAVE KEPT US IN THE LOOP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BROUGHT US ALONG WITH YOU, AND THAT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THIS REPORT. A LOT OF IT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE. THAT MADE IT EASIER. BUT THERE'S A TON OF INFORMATION. AT THE NEXT MEETING THERE'S GOING TO BE A TON MORE. CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE SLIDE WITH THE TIMELINE? IT'S LIKE TWO SLIDES BACK. THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. SO, JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IS IT THE THOUGHT OF THE STAFF THAT MARCH 18TH IS GOING TO BE MORE LIKE A WORKSHOP OPPORTUNITY? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND NEED A LOT OF DIALOGUE THAT NIGHT. AND ALSO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO GET THE PACKET A FEW DAYS EARLIER THAN NORMAL, BECAUSE I FEEL CERTAIN THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF READING INVOLVED AND I WOULD APPRECIATE MORE THAN 712 2 HOURS TO GET UP TO SPEED. SO, JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE IF Y'ALL WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO NEED TO READ THIS ONE TWO OR THREE TIMES BEFORE I CAN COME UP WITH MY LIST OF QUESTIONS. >> WE CAN CONSIDER BOTH OF THOSE. I THINK OUR INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION BE PART OF THE REGULAR MEETING SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE AND RECORDED. BUT I THINK WE EXPECT A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT MEETING. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM IN SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO INCLUDE AS MUCH INFORMATION IN THE PACKET OR HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. >> Ratliff: MOST OF MY QUESTIONS I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE UNTIL WE GET THE PACKET. IF WE DON'T GET IT UNTIL FRIDAY EVENING, ME GIVING YOU QUESTIONS ON MONDAY MORNING ISN'T FAIR TO YOU. AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO OVER THE WEEKEND AS WELL. IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THOSE A FEW DAYS EARLIER, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COMMISSION, BUT I'D APPRECIATE IT. >> YES. I THINK YOU CAN. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, IF WE COULD HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING REDUNDANT QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS ARE COMING BACK TO ALL OF US, I'M SURE A LOT OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE SIMILAR QUESTIONS, SO THAT MIGHT BENEFIT EVERYONE AS WE GET TO THIS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: I WAS GOING TO ASK IF ANY CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO BUILDING STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S DIFFERENT BUILDING STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT OCCUPANCIES. TRANSIENT OCCUPANCIES HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAN LONG-TERM RESIDENTIAL USES. >> IN GENERAL, WE ARE IN TOUCH WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES THE BUILDING CODE, BUT WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY LOOKED INTO THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. BUT AGAIN, THESE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY STANDARD RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, SINGLE-FAMILY MULTIFAMILY ANYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER CODE THAT MEETS THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE ABLE TO HOUSE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. >> Lisle: I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. THIS HAS BEEN A YEAR-LONG PROCESS, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO DO OUR JOB, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT PACKET BEFORE THE 18TH. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS. [ LAUGHING ] >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU. SORRY, COMMISSIONER OLLEY, I JUMPED PAST YOU. I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: MORE CLARIFYING, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN THE INFORMATION. SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE DIFFERENCE IN MANAGEMENT LIVE-IN, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE MANAGEMENT HAS TO BE ON-SITE WHILE THE RENTAL IS IN EFFECT, OR -- I ESSENTIALLY CAN LEAVE ONE ROOM EMPTY AND I'M CONSIDERING THAT MANAGEMENT LIVE-IN? IF WE COULD GET CLARIFICATION OF THAT FOR ME, AT LEAST. SECOND THING I PROBABLY WOULD WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE SEASONAL RENTAL, EVEN IF WE COME UP WITH MINIMUM DAYS STAY, MAXIMUM DAYS STAY, WHAT HAVE YOU, IS IT CAPPED MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM WITHIN A YEAR'S TIMEFRAME, OR IS THERE A RESET OF SOME KIND, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FIVE DAYS CAPPED, WHAT'S THAT ANCHORING TIMEFRAME THAT WE LOOK AT TO CONSIDER THAT AS AN OPTION? >> I THINK ON THE SEASONAL RENTAL THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO YOU. I THINK FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES IT'S PROBABLY LIKELY TO BE PER YEAR, WHETHER THAT'S ONE PERIOD PER YEAR, PERHAPS -- AT SOME POINT IF YOU GET TOO MANY PER YEAR IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY JUST MORE CHALLENGING TO ENFORCE. THEN WE'LL BRING BACK SOME INFORMATION. I THINK THE INTENTION IS THAT ON THE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, THE INTENTION IS THAT IT IS TO BE -- IT'S JUST HOSTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THERE 24/7. THEY'RE JUST HAVING A ROOM THAT THEY RENT OUT. >> Olley: YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE MANAGER? >> YEAH, MORE DIRECTLY. BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THERE. WE'LL ADD INFORMATION ON THAT. >> Olley: OKAY. >> Cary: COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO ADD MY THANKS SPECIFICALLY TO MAYOR DIRE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE FOR THEIR HARD WORK OVER THESE PAST MONTHS ON A DIFFICULT SUBJECT IN WHICH THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING CONSENSUS AMONG HIGHLY DIVERGENT VIEWPOINTS, WHICH WAS A DIFFICULT TASK. I'M GLAD THEY CARRIED IT OUT WITH A GREAT DEAL OF DIGNITY. I APPRECIATE THAT. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR REVIEW AND BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, OUR NEXT MEETING, I BELIEVE WE WERE JUST TOLD IS TUESDAY, M MARCH 19TH. >> IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S MEETING THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED FOR SPRING BREAK, SO THEIR MEETING IS ON TUESDAY, MARCH 19TH BUT THE COMMISSION'S IS STILL ON MONDAY, MARCH 18TH. >> WE'RE STILL ON THE 18TH. OKAY. GOOD. I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT OUR NEXT MEETING WAS GOING TO BE ON THE 19TH. >> YES. >> Brounoff: OKAY. ANYWAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENDORSE THE IDEA OF GETTING THE INFORMATION AT LEAST AS TO THIS ITEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE AGENDA HAS TO BE GOTTEN TO US LATER, AT THE NORMAL TIME. THIS IS A HUGE SUBJECT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MATERIAL TO TRY TO GO THROUGH AND DIGEST AND COME UP WITH SOME LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER YOU BRING TO US BE LIMITED TO THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS PROPERLY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, NAMELY, REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING. THE TASK FORCE CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS IN FOUR CATEGORIES, ONLY ONE OF WHICH PERTAINS TO US. THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES, REGISTRATION AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, AMORTIZATION AND BUYOUTS AND TRAINING ARE PROPERLY MATTERS FOR THE COUNCIL. SO IF YOU REFRAIN FROM BURDENING US WITH THINGS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, THE SUBJECT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS LARGE ENOUGH BY ITSELF. NOT TO HAVE TO ADD TO THE DIFFICULTY OF THE TASK. SO, I THINK ALSO, WITH RESPECT TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT SEASONAL RENTALS, PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION, THE EXPLANATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE TASK FORCE WAS TO CREATE A DATABASE RELATING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD MAKE WHATEVER REGULATIONS WE WIND UP ADOPTING LEGALLY SUSTAINABLE OKAY? THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT DEALT WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ANYTHING OVER 29 DAYS DURATION IS NOT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WE HAVE NO DATA REGARDING SEASONAL RENTALS. WE HAVE NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE ABOUT SEASONAL RENTALS OR LONGER THAN 29 DAYS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THAT'S A SUBJECT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP, THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO TAKE UP, WE DEFER THAT TO A LATER TIME THAT WE CONFINE OUR CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE ARE UNDER SOMETHING OF A MAY 15TH DEADLINE FOR THE WHOLE SUBJECT TO BE FINISHED. SO, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS TO YOU. TONIGHT I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE US ADOPT THE REPORT, CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH REGARD TO THOSE MATTERS THAT ARE PROPERLY BEFORE US. >> AND IF I MAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TRYING TO KEEP THE SCOPE WITHIN THE TASK FORCE STUDY, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE. THE IDEA OF SEASONAL WOULD BE THAT ALL OF THE RENTALS WITHIN WHATEVER THE PERIOD MIGHT BE WOULD STILL BE SHORT-TERM. THEY WOULD ALL BE 29 DAYS OR LESS, BUT THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FULL SUMMER WHILE SOMEONE IS OUT OF TOWN. BUT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL RENTALS -- THERE MAY BE SOME WEEK-LONG RENTALS AND THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE THREE WEEKS AND THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE FOUR DAYS. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONSISTENT. THERE MIGHT BE GAPS IN BETWEEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RENTAL ENDS UP BEING, OR NUMBER OF RENTALS. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MAYBE A COUPLE COMMENTS. IS IT THE INTENT TO GRANDFATHER IN EXISTING STRS, OR WHAT'S THE CURRENT THOUGHT? I THINK WE HAVE 464, I THINK YOU SAID? >> THAT'S RIGHT. OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WE HAVE 464 THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. I WILL NOTE THAT I THINK WE FIND WHEN REGISTRATION COMES IN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT NUMBER COULD BE MORE REFINED BECAUSE PARTICULARLY IN MULTIFAMILY AREAS IT'S DIFFICULT TO DENOTE THE SPECIFIC UNIT BEING RENTED. BUT THOSE BECAME NONCONFORMING, THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED WHEN WE DID THE INTERIM BAN IN 2023 AND THE INTENT IS THEY WILL REMAIN NONCONFORMING BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER. AND THEN SOME OF THOSE DEPENDING ON WHAT STANDARDS ARE ADOPTED, WE ANTICIPATE WOULD BECOME CONFORMING. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER. BUT ONLY A SUBSET WOULD REMAIN NONCONFORMING. BUT THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE NONCONFORMING. OF COURSE THE RECOMMENDATION IS ALSO POTENTIAL AMORTIZATION OR BUYOUTS, BUT THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. >> Cary: RIGHT. OKAY. ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. BACKYARD COTTAGES, ARE THEY CONSIDERED IN THIS PLAN SPECIFICALLY? >> WE EXPECT TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION ON BACKYARD COTTAGES AND HOW THEY WOULD FIT IN, BUT I THINK YES. THEY'LL FALL INTO MULTIPLE CATEGORIES DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE MANAGED, POTENTIALLY. BUT WE'LL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WELL. >> Cary: JUST A COMMENT. AS I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK THE PLAN -- IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING THE RIGHT WAY. MY CONCERNS ARE HOW DO WE TRACK THIS? HOW DOES IT GET MANAGED, HOW DOES IT GET ENFORCED? THE SEASONAL RENTALS, HOW DOES THAT GET MANAGED AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR STAFF ALREADY? I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER THERE, IT'S JUST A CONCERN. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE KICKED IT AROUND. WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER LISLE. >> Lisle: CAN YOU PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON HOW WE'RE CONSIDERING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WERE IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO THE SHORT-TERM BAN, ARE GAINING NONCONFORMING STATUS WHEN THERE'S A PROVISION -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A PROVISION WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT PRECLUDES ANY USE THAT'S NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED. AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BY GRANTING NONCONFORMING STATUS TO EVERYONE THAT WAS DOING IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE THAT WASN'T LEGAL. >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO ASK IN EXEC SESSION. TO GET LEGAL ADVICE. >> Lisle: OKAY. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL NEXT TIME WHEN YOU HAVE THE WHOLE ORDINANCE. MAYBE WE COULD GO THROUGH IT MORE THOROUGHLY THEN. THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER USE OF TIME. >> Lisle: I MEAN, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES SPECIFICALLY PRECLUDE EVERY USE THAT'S NOT -- >> GREAT TOPIC FOR EXEC SESSION. >> Lisle: OKAY. I'LL TAKE THE SECOND HAND. >> Cary: OKAY. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES IT. THANKS VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS? >> WE HAVE 12. >> Cary: EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR COMMENTS. I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT YOU'LL GET ANOTHER SHOT AT THIS. SO IF YOU HAVE REDUNDANT COMMENTS TRY TO BE BRIEF. IF YOU WOULD, CLEARLY SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY. PLEASE COME IN. IF WE CALL THE SPEAKERS IN ORDER, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. >> YES. FIRST SPEAKER IS ANTONIO MIGUEL MOLINA. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME -- GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANTONIO. THE ADDRESS IS 1207 DREXEL DRIVE PLANO TEXAS 75075. DEAR MEMBERS OF THE P&Z COUNCIL. AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS ANTONIO. I'M AN ARCHITECT. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPENDING BAN ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, STRS, SET TO TAKE EFFECT SOON. AS AN STR HOST I OPPOSE THIS DECISION. IT UNFAIRLY PUNISHES HOSTS FOR THE MISDEEDS OF A FEW BAD GUESTS WHILE THE REAL CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR SERIOUS CRIMES ROAM FREELY. MY PROPERTY IS MAINTAINED TO HIGH STANDARDS WITH A DEDICATED TEAM INCLUDING SECURITY CAMERAS, EMPLOYEES, POOL, AND YARD MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING STAFF. WE CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO OUR COMMUNITY. UNLIKE SOME NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTIES DEGRADE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S APPEAL. MOREOVER, THIS BAN COULDN'T COME AT A WORSE TIME. OUR ECONOMY IS -- REGULATIONS EXACERBATE THE SITUATION. PROJECTS ARE BEING DELAYED BY CITIES CAUSING LAYOFFS AND FINANCIAL STRAIN ACROSS SECTORS. WE CANNOT AFFORD ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AS SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. STRS ARE A VITAL PART OF MY LIVELIHOOD AND WITHOUT THEM IT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. LIMITING NORMAL PEOPLE FROM HAVING STRS WILL ONLY FEED INTO LARGE CORPORATIONS WHO ARE LIKELY LOBBYING FOR THIS WITH UNEDUCATED HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO STRS. I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS BAN AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON TARGETED THE ROOT CAUSES OF THESE ISSUES RATHER THAN PENALIZING RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT MAINTAIN SAFETY WHILE SUPPORTING THE ECONOMIC LIVELIHOODS OF ALL RESIDENTS. GRANDFATHERING STRS, IMPLEMENTING A REGISTRATION PROCESS, ELIMINATING BAD HOSTS AND ENFORCING MANDATORY SECURITY MEASURES CONNECTED TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN TRANSFORM STRS INTO BEACONS OF SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD ALSO SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME, WHEN THE BAN TOOK EFFECT AS HOSTS WE WERE LOOKING, SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON. WE SAW SEVERAL NEW STRS POP UP AS COMPETITION. SO THAT BAN WAS NOT ENFORCEABLE. SO THAT BAN, YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE THAT THE BAN -- PEOPLE WERE JUST ADDING IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO REGULATION WITH AIRBNB. I UNDERSTAND THE ESPE CITY OF PO IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES THAT TAKES THE TAXES DIRECTLY FROM AIRBNB. THEY TAKE IT FROM US. THEY IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE CITY. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME INFORMATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SEEN. BUT IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WORK. AND BE A POSITIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, SOCIETY, AND HAVE BUSINESS. THANK YOU. >> Cary: THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA JONES. >> CHRISTY, IF YOU'D CALL DOWN THE NEXT COUPLE. >> NEXT WILL BE JOHN STAFFORD AND CHRISTY LUIS. >> Cary: PLEASE, AS WE GET CLOSE, GIVE THEM A HEADS-UP OF THE TIME, PLEASE. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS LAURA JONES. I'M A DISABLED VET. I AM AN STR OWNER. I HAVE TWO BEDROOMS IN MY HOUSE. I'M A SINGLE MOTHER. ABLE TO BE AN AIRBNB I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN USING THE AGAVE SERVICES. IT REALLY CARRIED ME THROUGH. I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE, AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'M SEEING TONIGHT IS NEW TO ME. SO, I DON'T THINK THAT ALL THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO ALL THE TASK FORCE, ESPECIALLY THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT WERE CALLED AS FAR AS ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, OR VACATION HOME. DURING OUR TIME WITH THE TASK FORCE, THE POLICE CHIEF CAME AND SPOKE WITH US AND HE SAID THE STRS WERE A BLIP ON THEIR RADAR. OUT OF THE 454 THERE'S ABOUT TEN OFFENDERS THAT ARE BREAKING LAWS THAT THAT SHOULD BE ENFORCED INSTEAD OF PUNISHING ALL OF US WHO ARE NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS. AND WHEN WE'RE TOLD THAT WE'RE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR OR TRUE. I THINK OUR GUESTS ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT STAY WITH ME ARE PEOPLE MOVING TO PLANO. AND THEY STAY WITH ME BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY AND SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS AND LOOK AT HOMES AND BUY HOMES IN THE AREA. I ALSO CLEAN HOUSES AND I CLEAN A COUPLE STRS AND THOSE PROPERTIES, WHEN THEY FIRST PURCHASED THEM WERE IN POOR REPAIR AND THEY CAME IN AND CLEANED IT ALL UP. THEY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. THEY KEEP IT NICE AND CLEAN. THE HOUSES LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN THEY DID BEFOREHAND. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AN STR OPERATOR, HOST? >> Cary: ANY QUESTIONS? >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT MAYBE AREN'T INTERESTING IN MEETING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO STAY WITH YOU? THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY CHOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DON'T WAN9 OUT -- POTENTIALLY EVERYONE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS AND YOU HAVE GOOD GUESTS. BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T WANT THOSE STRANGERS COMING AND GOING? >> I THINK THOSE SAME NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE THE LONG-TERM RENTAL TWO DOORS DOWN. I THINK THOSE SAME NEIGHBORS PROBABLY AREN'T ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M VERY ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY. PART OF THE TASK FORCE, ACTIVE WITH MY CHURCH. I INVITE MY GUESTS TO CHURCH WITH ME. THEY SIT DOWN AND EAT MEALS WITH ME IN MY HOUSE. AND I'VE HAD REALLY GOOD GUESTS. >> Lisle: I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR INTENTIONS OR YOUR CHURCH SERVICE OR -- I BELIEVE THAT YOU RUN A GREAT AIRBNB. BUT MY QUESTION, YOUR NEIGHBORS CHOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE NEXT TO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE WILL LONG-TERM. ARE THERE LONG-TERM. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS AND LET THEM UNDERSTAND MORE AND TO BE AVAILABLE TO THEM SHOULD THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. >> Lisle: THANK YOU. >> Cary: OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE GOOD? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN STAFFORD, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTY LUIS AND THEN GREG PATELLO. >> SO, WE HAVE 73,000 HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CITY. >> Cary: SIR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> JOHN STAFFORD, 1401 HARVEST GLEN DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS. WE HAVE 73,000 HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CITY. WE HAVE 400 SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND 15 THAT ARE PROBLEMS. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF UNITS HERE IN THE CITY. BILL, YOU BROUGHT UP WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN SOMEBODY IS HAVING A PARTY. MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHO OWNS THIS HOUSE, HAD A PARTY LAST NIGHT. THERE WERE 20 CARS PARKED OUT ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AROUND THE CORNER, AROUND MY HOUSE. AND WHAT DO I DO WHEN SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THEIR HOME WANTS TO HAVE A PARTY? WELL, I LET THEM. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HUMAN BEINGS. WE HAVE GUESTS, OKAY? I LOVE IT WHEN FRIENDS COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND HANG OUT AT MY HOUSE. WHEN SOMEBODY COMES OVER, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING IN FOR A VACATION RENTAL WHO GOES OUT, DOES SOMETHING IN DALLAS AND COMES BACK AND SLEEPS IN A BED IN PLANO AT NIGHT, THAN IF I HAVE A FRIEND COME OVER AND JUST HANG OUT AND HAVE BEERS WITH ME. IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE, OKAY? THERE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC WHO HAVE OWNED THEIR HOUSES OR HAVE LONG-TERM LEASES AT THEIR HOUSES. AND I'M FAILING TO SEE HOW, OKAY, WE HAVE -- WE MOVED THE PROBLEM CHILDREN FROM .15% OF POLICE RESPONSES TO .33% OF POLICE RESPONSES. IT'S A MICROSCOPIC AMOUNT OF ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF BROUHAHA OVER SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY MINOR OKAY? I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS POSTED IN THE AGENDA PACKET TODAY, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A ONE BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST, A TWO TO FIVE BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST, PLANO HAS AN AGING POPULATION. WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS WHO WISH TO AGE IN PLACE IN THEIR HOME. AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL RENT OUT ROOMS IN THEIR HOMES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTARY INCOME IN THEIR RETIREMENT OKAY? DO WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE -- IF THEY'RE TRYING TO RENT OUT THEIR ROOMS IN ORDER TO MAKE SUPPLEMENTARY INCOME, DO WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE PAY A THOUSAND-DOLLAR REGISTRATION FEE, SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T AFFORD A THOUSAND-DOLLAR REGISTRATION FEE TO RENT OUT A ROOM IN THEIR HOME? THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO FORCE SOMEBODY WHO IS JUST RENTING AN EXTRA BEDROOM IN THEIR HOUSE TO DO THAT. AND IF I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN IN A THREE-BEDROOM HOME AND I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THERE WHY ARE WE MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS AND ONE BEDROOM? WHY CAN'T I RENT OUT BOTH BEDROOMS IN MY HOUSE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN ONE AND TWO TO FIVE. SO. >> SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> WHEN YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION. >> Cary: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET TIME LATER TO DISCUSS. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CHRISTY LUIS, 2109 BANGLE LANE PLANO TEXAS 75023. HELLO. MY NAME IS CHRISTY LEWIS, I'M A PLANO RESIDENTIAL AND AN AIRBNB SUPER-HOST. I'VE BEEN A HOST ON AIRBNB FOR SIX YEARS. AND BEEN HOSTING THIS AIRBNB IN PLANO FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUSINESS IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF MY OVERALL INCOME. CONSIDERING IT A SIDE HUSTLE. HOWEVER, RECENTLY IT'S BECOME A NECESSITY IN SUPPLEMENTING MY INCOME DUE TO THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES AND INFLATION WE'RE ALL CURRENTLY FACING HERE. I INITIALLY STARTED RENTING MY HOME AS AN STR BECAUSE MY FULL-TIME JOB REQUIRED ME TO TRAVEL TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK, OR TWO TO THREE WEE WEEKSA MONTH, LEAVE MY PROPERTY VACANT WHILE I WAS AWAY. HAVING TENANTS STAY ON THE PROPERTY WHILE I WAS AWAY ENSURED IT WAS WELL-MAINTAINED AND PROTECTED FROM BREAK-INS, ETC. I NOW LIVE WITH MY FIANCEE IN A DIFFERENT HOME IN PLANO FULL-TIME AND I OPTED TO CONTINUE TO RENT MY OTHER HOME WHILE I MOVED IN WITH HIM IN DECEMBER. DURING THE PAST THREE YEARS OF RENTING OUT MY HOME I'VE HOSTED SOME INCREDIBLE FAMILIES FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. AND I WANTED TO SHARE TWO STORIES IN PARTICULAR WITH YOU GUYS THAT STUCK WITH ME. IN JUNE 2022 I HOSTED FOUR ADULTS AND TWO CHILDREN FROM BELARUS. THIS FAMILY HAD BEEN AWARDED THE LOTTERY TO RECEIVE U.S. VISAS AND WERE BEGINNING THEIR LIVES HERE IN A VERY NEW COUNTRY. THEY CHOSE MY HOME. IT WAS CONVENIENTLY LOCATED TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WALKING DISTANCE TO SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A VEHICLE TO GET AROUND, SO IT WAS A VERY CONVENIENT OPTION. DURING THEIR STAY, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ASSISTING THEM TO ESTABLISH THEIR RESIDENCY HERE, GET THEIR DRIVE'S LICENSE, FIND PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THEM. THEY SO KINDLY INVITED ME AND MY FIANCEE TO HAVE DINNER WITH THEM ONE NIGHT AND WE WOUND UP GETTING TO KNOW THEM WELL. WE STILL KEPT IN TOUCH WITH THEM TO THIS DAY AND WE ARE GREAT FRIENDS, WHO NOW LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET AT LEGACY WEST. I HAVE A LOT OF SIMILAR STORIES TO SHARE. I KEEP IN TOUCH WITH A LOT OF MY GUESTS. THEY ARE DEAR FRIENDS OF MINE. AM I RUNNING OUT OF TIME? OKAY. [ CHUCKLING ] I STILL HAVE A FAMILY LIVING THERE NOW FROM SOUTH AFRICA WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION. THEY'RE COMING HERE TO GET THEIR VISAS. THEIR FAMILY IS ESTABLISHED HERE IF PLANO AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE PERMANENTLY IN PLANO AS WELL. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS VOTE. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE IN HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS HERE. >> Cary: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT. >> NEXT, GREG PATELLO, FOLLOWED BY DANIELLA AND CINDY. >> MY NAME IS GREG, I'VE LIVED AT 6229 WEST CHESTER LANE. 80% OF PLANO RESIDENTS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED AN ISSUE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL DID NOT INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. YOU CAN FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE I SAY HERE TONIGHT, BUT WHEN CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PRESENTED TO REFERENCE, HEAR MY VOICE IN YOUR HEARD. HEAD. 84% OF PLANO RESIDENTS DO NOT INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE ISSUES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS DATA COMES FROM THE SURVEY OF PLANO RESIDENTS CONDUCTED BY GAP STRATEGIES IN MAY OF LAST YEAR. QUESTION NINE ASKED RESPONDENTS IF THEY EXPERIENCED AN ISSUE AND QUESTION TEN ASKS THEM TO INDICATE WHAT ACTION THEY TOOK TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. QUESTION NINE, THERE WERE 3400 RESPONDENTS THAT TOLD YOU THEY EXPERIENCED AT LEAST ONE ISSUE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND WHILE BOTH ARE VERY SMALL FRACTIONS, THE 3400 RESPONDENTS REPRESENTS MORE THAN 1% OF PLANO'S POPULATION, WHILE SHORT-TERM RENTALS REPRESENT ROUGHLY .4% OF HOUSING UNITS IN PLANO. THE RESPONSES TO QUESTION TEN REVEALED THE HUMAN BEHAVIOR OF RESIDENTS DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS CREATED BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WITH 40% TELLING YOU THEY DID NOTHING TO REPORT OR RESOLVE THE ISSUE ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION. 18% PLACED CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE OWNER, HOST, OR PROPERTY MANAGER, WHICH THE CITY DOES NOT CAPTURE. EVEN FEWER, 16% INVOLVED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO CREATE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA THAT EVERYONE SEES. AS MUCH AS ANYONE I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT AND -- CREATING THIS DATA WAS. I'M SUGGESTING DATA BE DISREGARDED. IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. I'M SUGGEST THAT ALL THE DATA THE CITY HAS COLLECTED SHOULD BE USED WHEN ATTEMPTING TO UNDERSTAND AND ASSESS THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN PLANO. THE CALLS FOR DATA SERVICE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROBLEMS RESIDENTS HAVE HAD. GIVEN THE CORRELATION BETWEEN SAMPLE SIZE AND DISTRIBUTION AND DATA, IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO ATTRIBUTE EITHER IN WHOLE OR IN PART THE SMALL NUMBER OR 15% OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE HAD CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE FACT THAT ONLY 16% OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DATA SAMPLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> DANIELLA SANTANA, FOLLOWED BY CINDY PATILLO AND EDDY. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS LINETTE AND I WILL BE TRANSLATING. SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IN SPANISH, WHICH IS HER NATIVE TONGUE. >> A LITTLE BIT GOOD IN ENGLISH, BUT IT'S BETTER IN SPANISH FOR ME. FIRST, MY NAME IS DANIELA. I LIVE IN 1608 AZURE TRAIL. I'M A RESIDENT OF PLANO. AND I'M A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOST FOR MANY YEARS. I SAID IT IN ENGLISH. SO SORRY. [ LAUGHING ] >> Cary: YOU'RE DOING GREAT. KEEP GOING. >> OKAY. I'LL GO IN SPANISH, OKAY? >> Cary: WE UNDERSTAND YOUR SPANISH PERFECTLY. [ LAUGHING ] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Cary: DID YOU GUYS KNOW YOU WERE THAT GOOD? [ LAUGHING ] >> MAYBE MY ENGLISH IS BETTER NOW THAN MY SPANISH. SORRY. OKAY. [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE PERCENTAGE OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND WHICH OF THESE CRIMES ARE RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> [ S >> [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> YOU WILL FIND THAT THE CORRELATION IS ALMOST NONEXISTENT. >> [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL PROPERTIES AND REPRESENTERS WHETHER SHORT OR LONG-TERM HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE DISTURBB DISTURBANCES. >> [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> THIS ISSUE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED EVENTUALLY, ENFORCING ORDINANCES WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION THAN UNFAIRLY TARGETING RESPONSIBLE STR HOSTS SUCH AS US. >> [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> 30 SECONDS. >> AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOST, ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS THEY TAKE IS ASK THE INDIVIDUALS RENTING THE HOME WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE FOR THE HOME AND WHY THEY ARE IN PLANO. >> BECAUSE WE TRY TO PROTECT NOT ONLY OUR PROPERTY, WE TRY TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE REALLY WE TAKE CARE OF THEM, TOO. [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORS IS KEY TO GOOD COEXISTENCE, WHETHER IT'S SHORT-TERM RENTAL, LONG-TERM RENTAL, OR IF WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING OTHERS' NEEDS EVEN IF THEY DIFFER FROM US IS ESSENTIAL TO HARMONIOUS LIVING. >> [ SPEAKING SPANISH ] >> IT IS UNFAIR FOR EVERYONE -- HOST -- TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS NOT FULFILLING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AS STR OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS. >> I HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS TO DO, BUT I FEEL LIKE SPANISH, ENGLISH, IT'S MORE A LONG TIME. BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO HEAR MY SIDE OF THAT STORY ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND REALLY, WE ARE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE. AND I REALLY LIKE THAT YOU LISTEN TO US, HAVE THE TIME TO REALLY LISTEN OUR PERSPECTIVES ABOUT THAT SITUATION. AND WE FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE EVERYTHING LOOK MORE AS ONE SIDE AND NOT TOO MUCH PEOPLE IN THE OTHER SIDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Cary: MUCHAS GRACIAS. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE LINETTE FOR A ROLE AT THE U.N. AS AN INTERPRETER. >> I'M CINDY, I LIVE AT WESTCHESTER LANE, FOR 30 YEARS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE. OBVIOUSLY IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING TO CREATE A GROUP WITH STRONG OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND I COMMEND THE CITY FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A GROUP THAT ALLOWED MULTIPLE VOICES AND PERSPECTIVE ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUE TO BE HEARD. I'VE ATTENDED TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND I'VE IDENTIFIED A MINIMUM OF FOUR OF THE 18 PARTICIPANTS, ROUGHLY 22% OF THE TOTAL, CONSISTENTLY EXPRESSED PRO STR SENTIMENTS. THAT'S DESPITE THE FACT THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PLANO HOUSEHOLDS ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. A STATISTIC YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD IS THAT OUT OF ALMOST 118,000 HOUSEHOLDS, 464 ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT'S .39%. USING THAT VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS TO BE FAIRLY REPRESENTED ON THE TASK FORCE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE PRO STR MEMBER ON A TASK FORCE TOTALING 256 MEMBERS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. I'M MERELY POINTING OUT THE MAKEUP OF THE TASK FORCE DEMONSTRATES THE CITY WORKED HARD TO ENSURE THAT MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES WERE REPRESENTED AND THOSE WHO IDENTIFY AS PRO-STR, ALTHOUGH RELATIVELY SMALL IN NUMBER, HAD A SIGNIFICANT VOICE IN THE CONVERSATION. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU KEEP THIS IN MIND IF ANYONE TRIES TO TELL YOU OTHERWISE. SEPARATELY, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW MINUTES, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEHIND ME HAS BEEN ONE FOR YEARS. AND I HAVE TOLERATED THE -- WHAT'S DESCRIBED AS LET'S GO OUTSIDE AND HAVE A BEER EVERY WEEKEND NOT WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND A GUEST BUT WITH RANDOM STRANGERS. THEY GO OUT, THEY HAVE A BEER, THEY HAVE A PARTY. THEY STAY OUT BY THE POOL UNTIL LATE AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON SHOWS UP THE NEXT WEEKEND TO DO THE SAME. I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE PEOPLE. I CAN'T GO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOUD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THEM. AND SOMEBODY NEW WILL BE THERE THE NEXT TIME. MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT, BECAME A LONG-TERM RENTAL A YEAR AGO WHEN A WOMAN'S HOME FLOODED AND SHE MOVED IN. I HAVE NOT CALLED THE POLICE ONCE IN A YEAR. PRIOR TO THAT IN THE 30 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN PLANO I'VE NEVER CALLED THE POLICE ON A NEIGHBOR. IMAGINE MY HEARTBREAK THIS PAST WEEKEND WHEN I SAW THE MOVING VAN PULL UP TO MOVE THIS WOMAN OUT OF THAT HOUSE. I KNEW IT WAS ABOUT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. >> 30 SECONDS. >> THANKFULLY, I SAW THE MOVING TRUCK PULL IN AND TAKE ALL THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FURNITURE OUT. AND I ASKED THE PERSON DOING THE MOVING, HAS THE HOUSE BEEN SOLD? HE SAID NO, ANOTHER LONG-TERM RENTER IS MOVING IN. FOR ME, HOPEFULLY AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER YEAR THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT REAR ITS UGLY HEAD. BUT I'VE PUT UP WITH IT. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL TRYING TO RESOLVE IT. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL CONTRIBUTING TO WHAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. THANK YOU. >> Cary: THANK YOU. NEXT CHRISTY. EDDY. >> Cary: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY AFTER HIM HIM? >> FOLLOWED BY CLARA AND KRI KRISTEN. >> I THINK MY WIFE DID A GREAT JOB SPEAKING ENGLISH, DIDN'T SHE? MY NAME EDDY, I LIVE AT 1608 AZURE TRAIL, 75075, PLANO, TEXAS. I RESPECTFULLY BELIEVE THAT THE TASK FORCE ASSEMBLED WAS NOT PROPERLY REPRESENTATIVE BY BOTH ANTI- AND PRO STR MEMBERS. AND, THEREFORE, THE FLAVOR OF THE FINDINGS THAT I'VE READ SO FAR SUPPORT A VERY BIASED AGENDA. I'VE LIVED IN PLANO 40 YEARS. I'VE LIVED IN MY SAME HOME FOR 34 OF THOSE 40 YEARS. I'M RETIRED. IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS I HAVE SHARED MY HOME ABOUT 45% OF THE TIME. I DO THIS OUT OF A NEED FOR SUPPLEMENTING MY RETIREMENT INCOME. AND I THINK WE DO A PHENOMENAL JOB DOING THAT. I ONLY RANK MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE. I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUILD A PORTFOLIO OF STR THROUGHOUT THE PLANO COMMUNITY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS -- THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL MODEL, UNLIKE A LONG-TERM RENTAL, GIVES ME COMPLETE CONTROL THAT GUESTS COMPLY WITH A VERY STRICT GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY THAT I'VE ESTABLISHED. AND I'VE DONE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SPEAKING TO MY NEIGHBORS. I BELIEVE THE KEY TO ANY RENTAL -- I DON'T CARE IF IT'S LONG-TERM OR SHORT-TERM -- I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP. I'M A RESPONSIBLE OWNER. I'M A RESPECTFUL NEIGHBOR. AND I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT MY COMMUNITY. I WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT UP THERE. THERE'S NOT A REGISTRATION PROCESS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. I'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A REGISTRATION PROCESS. BUT I WELCOME THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GRANDFATHERING. AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO RENT THEIR PROPERTIES THAT ARE EARMARKED AS PRIMARY RESIDENCE. THERE SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT AS A MINIMUM. SURE, HOST TRAINING AND BEST PRACTICES, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HELD TO THAT. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES. WE DO NOT LIST OUR PROPERTY ON AIRBNB. WE DON'T LIST IT ON BRBO WITHOUT INCLUDING IN OUR LISTING -- >> ONE MINUTE. >> GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES THAT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO UPHOLD TO. WE PROBABLY TURNED 15 PEOPLE AWAY JUST BECAUSE MY SENSE OF IT IS JUST NOT WHAT I WANT IN MY HOME AND NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT IN THE COMMUNITY. NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAD ILL WILL, BUT IT'S JUST THE SENSE OF WHAT I WANT. I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I THINK CERTAIN PEOPLE PROBABLY SAY WHO'S THIS GUY ASKING ME ALL THE QUESTIONS? WE PUT THOSE POLICIES IN OUR LISTING. WE PUBLISH THEM IN OUR HOMES. WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, NEIGHBORS KNOW THEY CAN CALL US DIRECT AND IT WILL BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY. I THINK MAYBE A MINIMUM OF A TWO-DAY BOOKING REQUIREMENT WOULD AVOID PROBABLY, IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS OUT THERE OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A RAGE PARTY, IT WOULD ELIMINATE 95-98 OF THAT. THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS. FINALLY, THE GOOD DECISIONS ARE BASED ON GOOD INFORMATION. AND THE RIGHT DATA. BUT THAT DATA SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED TO SUPPORT ONE-SIDED AGENDA. THANK YOU. >> CLARA, THEN KRISTEN, KOREY, AND THEN ANETTE. >> HI, MY NAME IS CLARA. I'VE BEEN A PLANO RESIDENT FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS. I'M A MOTHER OF THREE CHILDREN. I WORK FOR A MANAGEMENT COMPAN. WE MANAGE PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE DFW AND IN PLANO. WE NEVER HAD A SINGLE COMPLAINT IN OUR STRS, DUE TO AMAZING RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A NEW STR WE LET ALL THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US KNOW THAT WE ARE COMING AND THIS IS OUR INFORMATION. YOU CAN CONTACT US WITH ANY ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE. WE DO A LOT OF BACKGROUND CHECKS. WE HAVE NOISE MONITORING DEVICES. WE HAVE CAMERAS. WE DON'T ALLOW PARTIES. WE ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE. AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED -- I'M SORRY, I WANT TO SAY I'M PART OF THE TASK FORCE, ALSO. I'LL ONE OF THE FOUR PEOPLE PRO. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO READ THAT WE ARE VACATION HOMES BECAUSE I LIVE IN PLANO. PLANO IS MY HOUSE, I LOVE PLANO. THIS IS NOT REALLY A PLACE FOR VACATIONS. SO, I THINK THAT IT'S MORE OF HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT NEED A HOUSING SOLUTION FOR A TEMPORARY OR SHORT TIME CAN FIND IT WITH AN STR. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAD THIS PAST WINTER A PIPE BROKE. AND SHE IS A SINGLE MOM STRUGGLING WITH FOUR KIDS THAT HAD TO GO TO A DIFFERENT HOUSE AND COULDN'T STAY IN A HOTEL ROOM FOR A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR HOW LONG IT TOOK. AND KEEP SENDING HER KIDS TO SCHOOL AND BE ON TIME FOR WORK. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS CONSIDERED VACATION HOMES. AND I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE TERMS. AND I REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS THAT STR CAN DO IN PLANO. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I LIVE IN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE AN HOA. AND I DON'T HAVE AMAZING NEIGHBORS. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND GOING, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS THERE, ALWAYS HAVING PARTIES. ALWAYS HAVING CARS PARKED IN MY STREET, IN FRONT OF MY DOOR. MY RING IS RINGING ALL THE TIME. I HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON MY DOOR THINKING THEY'RE COMING TO ANOTHER PERSON'S HOUSE AND IT'S MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME. AND THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THE SOCIAL FABRIC IS REALLY AN ISSUE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> Cary: WE'LL TAKE THE NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. >> OKAY. >> NEXT, WE HAVE KRISTEN RENNEKER. SORRY. >> HI. I'M KRISTEN. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PLANO FOR OVER 14 YEARS. AND I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN OLD TOWN PLANO. SINCE 2017 MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS AND WE'VE HOSTED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS. MANY HAVE BECOME LIFELONG FRIENDS. OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS USE AND HAVE ENJOYED MEETING MANY OF OUR GUESTS. AS STR HOSTS IT HAS PROVIDED US FLEXIBILITY FINANCIAL STABILITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN I LOST MY JOB IN 2020. AND IT HAS GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO REINVEST IN OUR HOME. AS ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH THE OUTCOME OF THE TASK FORCE AND BIASED REPORT. THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THE CITY AND THE TASK FORCE WAS FOCUSED ON ALL THE NEGATIVES AND FAILED TO EXPLORE THE POSITIVES A POSITIVE ASPECTS.ASIDE FROM THEN THE TASK FORCE, THE CITY DID NOT ENGAGE WITH THE KNOWN SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS. AND CONTRARY TO WHAT THE OTHER SIDE MIGHT HAVE YOU THINK, WE ARE NORMAL PEOPLE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM AND MANY OF US ARE PLANO RESIDENTS AND OUR VOICE DESERVES TO BE HEARD JUST AS MUCH AS OUR NEIGHBORS. BY ENGAGING WITH THE STR OPERATORS, THE TASK FORCE AND THE CITY COULD HAVE BUILT A RECORD OF DATA OF HOW STRS ARE USED IN PLANO AND HOW RUNNING AN STR BENEFITS NEIGHBORS AND PROPERTY OP OWNERS. A MAJORITY OF THE GUESTS WE WELCOME ARE IN TOWN FOR VARIOUS REASONS SUCH AS MOVING TO PLANO, VISITING ON BUSINESS, VISITING FAMILY MEMBERS. WE GET A LOT OF GRANDPARENTS VISITING NEW GRANDKIDS. SOME WE HAVE COMING TO RECEIVE MEDICAL CARE WHO NEED TO STAY SOMEWHERE MORE SELEW SECLUDED TA HOTEL, FAMILIES RENOVATING THEIR RESIDENCE. VISITORS WHO STAY IN STRS ARE LIKELY TO SPEND MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS. THEY ALSO ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. GUESTS CAN EXPERIENCE LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND GAIN INSIGHTS INTO LOCAL LIFE, CUSTOMS, AND TRADITIONS, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE IN A HOTEL SETTING. I BELIEVE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS DO BELONG IN PLANO AND THEY DO FILL A NICHE THAT TRADITIONAL HOTELS DO NOT MEET. WHEN OPERATED THOUGHTFULLY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY PRESENT A UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TYPE THAT FILLS A NEED AND BENEFITS THE CITY AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> I DON'T LIKE PUBLIC SPEAKING, SO. THANK YOU. >> NEXT, CORY, ANETTE, AND MS. FORAY. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS CORY, 1814 END PLACE, PLANO 75074. YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN MOST OF, I THINK, WHAT I HAD TO SAY EARLIER THAT I EMAILED YOU. THANKS FOR TAKING THAT UP SO QUICKLY. IT TOOK ME QUITE A WHILE TO DIGEST THAT SINCE THE MEETING PACKET SC CAME OUT SO LATE ON FRIDAY. I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR AND SECOND EVERYTHING HE SAID AND COMMEND STAFF AND THE TASK FORCE ON THEIR DILIGENT EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OVER THE PROCEEDING MANY MONTHS. I'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR 14 YEARS AND BEEN A HOMEOWNER HERE FOR 14 YEARS. I RENT A SPARE BEDROOM. IN SEVEN YEARS OF HOSTING WE HAVE WELCOMED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS INTO OUR HOME. I WANTED TO RAISE A FEW CONCERNS WITH THE WAY THE TASK FORCE PROCESS PLAYED OUT. THAT WAS BASED ON THE ARLINGTON MODEL FOUNDED ON ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT. THE PROCESS IN PLANO DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ACHIEVED A SIMILAR LEVEL OF DEPTH AND RIGOR. ONE ISSUE I'D LIKE TO RAISE IN PARTICULAR IS THE SLANT OF THE TASK FORCE IN FAVOR OF HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO BAN STRS IN ALL SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. AT ARLINGTON THE CITY ENGAGED WITH BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND STR HOSTS WITH AN EQUAL SEAT AT THE TABLE. IN PLANO, HOSTS HAVE BEEN OUTWEIGHED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS DESPITE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE ACTIVE LISTING INS THE CITY, STAFF CHOSE NOT TO ENGAGE AND OUTREACH TO HOSTS, SAVE FOR THE FOUR HOST MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE. THE VIEWS AND EXPERIENCES OF HOSTS HAVE BEEN LARGELY ABSENT FROM IN DISCUSSION. THIS CRITICAL OVERSIGHT RAISES DOUBTS ABOUT THE VERACITY OF THE FINDINGS. AS A HOST, AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I BELIEVE STRS FILL A NEED AND HAVE A PLACE IN PLANO. EQUITABLE REGULATIONS ARE JUSTIFIED TO BALANCE THE INTEREST OF BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND STR OWNERS. THANK YOU. >> Cary: WE HAVE A FEW MORE, HOW MANY MORE? >> TWO MORE. >> Cary: OKAY. >> ANETTE BEHEMA. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANETTE. I LIVE AT 3629 CHURCHILL LANE IN PLANO 75075. AND IT'S QUITE AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AND BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY VOICE OPINION AND HAVE IT BE SUCH AN HOPE POPEN PLATFORM OF DEBATE WN THERE'S SO MANY CONCERNS. THE JOB THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AHEAD OF YOU IS QUITE WEIGHTY. AND WHILE I WOULD NOT CLAIM TO KNOW ALL OF IT, I SIMPLY WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF BRING FORTH MY EXPERIENCE AS A HOST. ME AND MY FAMILY HAD THE PLEASURE OF MOVING TO PLANO IN 1999. AND SEEING PLANO GO THROUGH SO MANY CHANGES SINCE THEN, IT IS INSPIRATIONAL TO SEE. I THINK THAT SHRT-TERM RENTALS CAN REALLY PLAY A WONDERFUL AND VITAL PART OF THAT GROWTH. I DO THINK THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE PROTECT THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE IS IMPORTANT. AND PART OF WHAT MAKES PLANO SO WONDERFUL AND SO UNIQUE IS ITS WELCOMING OF SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE AND OUR ABILITY TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT INTO ONE UNIFIED AND WONDERFUL CITY TO LIVE IN. AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND WONDERFUL ABOUT HOSTING PEOPLE HERE IN PLANO SPECIFICALLY IS THAT I GET TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT. AND SOME HOSTS AND SOME OF MY GUESTS WHO ORIGINALLY WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF LIVING IN PLANO WERE LIKE WOW, I NEVER REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS AND THERE WAS THAT. AND SO SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN PLAY SUCH A VITAL ROLE IN INTRODUCING BOTH PLANO TO PEOPLE AND TEXAS TO PEOPLE AND THE UNITED STATES TO PEOPLE. PROPERLY, IF GIVEN THE RIGHT SUPPORT, IF ADDRESSING ALL OF THE CONCERNS WE CAN REALLY UNIFY AND HAVE THIS BE A VITAL PART OF HOW WE GROW OUR CITIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> MS. MURRAY. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JEAN MAURY, 4825 BULL RUN DRIVE AND I'M GOING TO BE SHORT AND SWEET. I HAVE FOUND BEING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOST AND I'M ON SITE, TO BE A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. I'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES AND I MANAGE IT ACROSS THE BOARD. I HAVE HAD FAMILIES COME IN FROM AUSTRALIA, FROM INDIA, TO ALL AROUND THE U.S. AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN REALLY DELIGHTFUL. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO TAKE THOSE REVENUES, NOT JUST FROM US BUT FROM THE CITY AS A WHOLE TOO. IF THEY'RE STAYING IN OUR HOMES, THEY'RE OUT SHOPPING AND EATING IN ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS AND STUFF. THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT WRAPS UP THE SPEAKERS RIGHT? I THINK DEFINITELY THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS HERE. SO WE WILL CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO STAFF AT THIS POINT. MR. LISLE, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST. I'M SURPRISED YOUR LIGHT ISN'T ALREADY ON. >> Lisle: THE COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE WITH MR. STAFFORD WAS JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU HAVE MEALS IN YOUR KITCHEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT. THEY EAT AT HOME IN THEIR KITCHEN ALL THE TIME BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS SOMEONE OPENING A RESTAURANT IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. WHERE YOU TAKE THE GARAGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE STORE THEIR LAWNMOWER IN THE GARAGE. IF THEY WERE TO USE THE DRIVEWAY AS THEIR LAWNMOWER REPAIR SHOP, RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE HAVE LAWNMOWERS IN THEIR GARAGE ALL DAY LONG BUT WHEN YOU DO IT ON A COMMERCIAL BASIS IT'S OUTSIDE THE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES, THE USE THAT'S MEANT TO BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO I THINK IT'S A FALLACY TO SAY THAT THERE'S ONLY 15 PEOPLE THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS. I THINK AS A LAND USE COMMITTEE WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE USE. DOES THE USE BELONG IN OUR SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S THE DIALOGUE I WANTED TO HAVE THAT GOT SHUT DOWN. >> Cary: WHO SHUT THAT DOWN? GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >> Lisle: THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> Cary: LOOKS LIKE MR. BROUNOFF -- >> Lisle: I LIED. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I DO THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THEIR HOME AND ARE HOSTING GUESTS IN THEIR OWN HOME WHILE THEY LIVE THERE. THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION, TO ME. [APPLAUSE] >> Cary: LISLE FOR GOVERNOR. OKAY. MR. BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: YOU SURE? [ LAUGHTER ] THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO, I WOULD, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING TO US TONIGHT AND REMIND YOU TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WOULD INVITE THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO US MORE ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, A, APPROVE THE REPORT FROM THE TASK FORCE AND, B, THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING WITH RESPECT TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING AS IT PERTAINS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF THE COMMISSION IS ONLY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. NOT ADOPT OR DISAGREE WITH THE REPORT. ONLY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON APRIL 1. THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. >> Brounoff: APRIL 1st. LET ME AMEND MY MOTION. I MOVE WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR APRIL 1st MEETING WITH RESPECT TO REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING AS IT PERTAINS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> Cary: GREAT. COMMISSIONER OLLEY LOOKED LIKE HE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON. >> Olley: YES. JUST TO THANK EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME, NOT JUST TONIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR A WHILE. THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU PUT IN. THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A PART OF THE EQUATION. CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BRING ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION. LEGAL IS GOING TO GIVE US ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION AND THE HOPE IS ON APRIL 1st, FROM A P&Z PERSPECTIVE, FOR THE LAND USE ASPECT OF ALL THIS, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHE PART OF THE EQUATION. I WANT TO DEWEIGHT A LITTLE BIT THE FINDINGS OF THE TASK FORCE IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION. THIS IS NOT ALL IN ALL WE ONLY HAVE TO MAKE OUR DEDUCTIONS BASED ON JUST THIS. THERE'S A LOT THAT COMES INTO PLAY. SO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN APRIL 1st. WITH THAT, I SECOND THE MOTION. >> Cary: BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A VOTE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, BEFORE WE VOTE. FIRST OF ALL, A QUESTION. A COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT OUTREACH TO STR OWNERS AND I GUESS I'LL ASK IT OF STAFF. I THINK THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL STR OWNERS TO GIVE INPUT. SO I GUESS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT STAFF'S OPINION OF THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE ANY OUTREACH. >> WE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TASK FORCE ABOUT PROVIDING DIRECT OUTREACH, SINCE WE HAVE THIS CONTRACT WITH DECKER TECHNOLOGIES AND WE HAVE THESE LOCATIONS. SOME TASK FORCE MEMBERS FELT THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO THOSE OPERATORS DIRECTLY. HOWEVER, THERE'S TWO PARTS THAT WE DISCUSS OR CONSIDERING IN REGARDS TO THAT. ONE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE REGISTRATION SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE CONTACTS. WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THOSE 464 ARE EVERY SINGLE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND SO THE BIGGER PART OF IT, THOUGH, IS THAT IT'S A LAND USE DECISION AND WHEN WE MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS, WE NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, WITHIN 500 FEET AND THERE'S A LOT MORE NOTICE. AND SO WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO NOTIFY JUST THE OWNERS DIRECTLY AND RATHER IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT CITYWIDE. WE DID CONSIDER, WE TRIED TO DO THAT FOR THE SECOND OPEN HOUSE. IT DIDN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS FOR THAT TYPE OF MAILING. VERY LARGE SCALE. WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO A CITYWIDE NOTICE FOR THE APRIL 1 AND APRIL 22 MEETINGS. TO YOUR POINT, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WAS ADVERTISED CITYWIDE FROM THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. WE PUT SIGNS OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES FOR THE OPEN HOUSES. WE ADVERTISED ON NEWSLETTERS FOR THE PROJECT AND ALSO ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT COME TO MIND THAT WERE OPEN TO EVERYONE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT. BEING OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND WHEN PEOPLE FIND OUT, PROBABLY LIKE THE REST OF YOU THAT I'M ON P&Z, ONE OF THE THINGS EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT FROM ALL DIFFERENT SIDES IS STRs. IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE AS WELL AS IT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND EVERYWHERE. THIS IS A HOT SUBJECT. THE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS THEE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT THIS WAS BASED ON THE ARLINGTON PLAN AND THEY HAD EQUAL SEATING. I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE STR OWNERS BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO HERE OF SINGLE-FAMILY TO STR, IT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT IT SEEMED AS IF IT WAS WELL REPRESENTED. I WONDER IF WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LOT MORE PERSPECTIVES IF IT WAS ALL JUST STR. WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME THING. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND IT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER TONG, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? >> Tong: THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION TO THE STAFF MEMBERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WONDERFUL REPORT AND LOTS OF WORK AND I APPRECIATE ALSO THE TASK FORCE. BUT I HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS TODAY. EVEN THOUGH TODAY WAS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND I FEEL LIKE WE ACTUALLY BENEFITED FROM ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT CAME UP TODAY. AND I HEARD SOME GOOD POINTS THAT POINTED OUT, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT I KIND OF AGREED WITH WHAT THE COMMISSIONER LISLE BROUGHT UP WITH THE OTHER GENTLEMAN ALSO MENTIONED THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OWNERS WHO WANT TO HOST THEIR OWN FAMILIES OR SHARE ROOMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL GUESTS, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THOSE TYPES OF STRs. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING ALREADY IN THE PROPOSALS OR REPORTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. IF WE DON'T, DO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? >> SO AS WE TALK ABOUT LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, THE IDEA THAT THOSE TYPES OF USES, THE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE BEDROOM OR BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE PRIMARILY RESIDENCE. SOMEONE WOULD BE LIVING ON SITE. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE OWNER. IT COULD BE A RENTER BUT SOMEONE IS LIVING ON SITE AND ON SOME OF THE ROOMS ARE BEING RENTED OUT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THOSE USES. >> Tong: SO THE CATEGORY OF BED AND BREAKFAST IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALSO PRIMARILY RESIDE IN THE SAME BUILDING? >> ON THE SAME PROPERTY. >> Tong: IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME BUILDING? YOU'RE SAYING IT COULD BE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS? >> THE POTENTIAL NUANCE IS THE BACKYARD COTTAGE. WE'LL BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. >> Tong: GOT YOU. THANK YOU. >> OTHERWISE, YES. >> Cary: GOOD? >> ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION. POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES, WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE BAN BUT IF THE MOTION INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL TO EXTEND OR REPEAL THE INTERIM BAN ALONG WITH ADOPTING THE PERMANENT REGULATIONS. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO ALLOW OURSELVES THAT FLEXIBILITY IN CASE WE NEED IT. >> Cary: GREAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER TONG MAKES A GOOD POINT. IN MY THREE-PLUS YEARS SITTING ON THE COMMISSION, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THIS GROUP HAS DONE IS REALLY ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INPUT AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NEWS THAT PLANO IS CHALLENGED WITH THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE MOST COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE CHALLENGED WITH THIS DUE TO THE NEW TECHNOLOGY. AND I THINK TOGETHER WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS AND I'M PROUD OF WHAT THE STAFF'S DOING AND THE OTHER CITIZENS ARE DOING. THIS IS A CHALLENGING SITUATION. THERE WERE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE ON ALL SIDES OF IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO -- YES, MA'AM. >> JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT MS. SEBASTIAN SAID, COULD WE POSSIBLY AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF CONSIDERATION OF EXTENSION OR REPEAL OF THE INTERIM BAN. >> SO AMENDED. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE TO AMEND THE SECOND. >> Cary: SO THEN, LET'S VOTE FOLKS. AND THAT CARRIES 7-0. OKAY. I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE MEETING. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? OH GOSH. I AM SO SORRY. YOU'VE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT WAITING TO TALK. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. DISCUSSION: SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN UPDATE. INFORMATIONAL UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE LAND USE PRIORITIES OF THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN. APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED OPINIONS, BOTH IN SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSION. STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION. THIS IS ONLY IN THE SPIRIT OF GETTING INFORMATION IN ADVANCE TO GIVE YOU A HEAD START ON REVIEWING THE INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING. STAFF AND THE LONG-RANGE PLANNING TEAM WILL BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> Cary: I WOULD GUESS EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR AND APPLAUDS THAT. SO, THANK YOU. THAT'S FANTASTIC. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? WELL, THEN I DO THINK, OTHER THAN -- YES, SIR. I WAS GOING TO GET THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PLACE ON A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME AND THANK CHRISTY -- >> WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED OPINION ON ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. MARINA GRIFFIN REGISTERED HER OPINION AS NEUTRAL ON THE ITEM. AND SHE IS AVAILABLE ON ZOOM BUT DID NOT REGISTER TO SPEAK. >> WE CAN JUST NOTE THE REGISTERED OPINION. >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU. GLAD YOU'RE HERE. OKAY. GREAT. CHRISTY, WELCOME TO THE TEAM AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING IN TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME SITTING IN THIS CHAIR. THANK YOU, GUYS. WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING. [MEETING ADJOURNED]