>>GWEN HENDERSON: CALL THIS COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. A MOMENT OF SILENCE. [MOMENT OF SILENCE] [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. CAN I HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 8 FROM THE AGENDA. THAT'S MOVED TO SEPTEMBER 25 ABOUT DIGITAL SIGNS. >> SO MOVED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO SET ON THE AGENDA? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT COUNCILMAN OR THE CHAIR IS OUT. OKAY. SORRY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: 2, 3, AND 4 ARE SIMILAR, SO THEY PROBABLY MOST LIKELY WILL BE HEARD ALTOGETHER. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. BUT I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE MAY WANT TO STILL COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CORRECT. THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO COME AFTER EACH ITEM. TWO TEACHERS SIDE BY SIDE IS NOT GOING TO WORK. [ LAUGHTER ] SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP. COUNCILMAN VIERA IS PRESENT. OUR CHAIR IS OUT TODAY. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DUTY AS THE PRO TEM. AND IT IS MY HONOR. BE PATIENT. DID WE DO THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP? I DID. I NEED THE VOTE FOR IT. DID HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. LET'S GET THIS WORKSHOP PARTY STARTED. NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA, ATTORNEY SHELBY, WE HAVE RULES WHERE THEY CAN SPEAK ON EACH ITEM. DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR EVERYONE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. WITH REGARD TO THIS WORKSHOP MEETING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES ANY OFFICIAL ACTION. FOR A WORKSHOP, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TAKES PLACE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE WORKSHOP ITEMS, THERE IS AN IPAD OUTSIDE, A KIOSK, AND WE ASK THAT YOU SIGN IN OVER THERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK. PLEASE NOTE THE NUMBER ON THE AGENDA. NOW, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS. PLEASE, SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE SOUND OR NOISE OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE PROCEEDING. THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED AND NO PERSON SHALL APPROACH THE DAIS DURING MEETINGS EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY UNLESS INVITED BY A NUMBER OF COUNCIL. PLEASE, ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN ACCORDANCE WITH RULES. PERSONS MAY BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND DIRECTED BY THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. SUCH PERSON SHALL NOT BE READMITTED TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER OR CITY HALL DURING THE REMAINDER OF THAT DAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MS. VAN LOAN, I BELIEVE YOU ARE UP FIRST WITH ITEM NUMBER 1, MULTI-SPORTS FIELD FOR THE LATE ROLAND PAZ SENIOR. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: GOOD MORNING, PROCHAIR TELL AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT. I AM HERE FOR PRESENTATION ON A MOTION TO NAME THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AT THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION COMPLEX AFTER ROLAND PAZ SENIOR. IF WE CAN HAVE THE PowerPoint. SO ROLAND PAZ WAS BORN IN SPAIN. WHILE HE WAS THERE, HE PLAYED FIRST DIVISION SOCCER AS A YOUNG MAN. HE CAME TO THE UNITED STATES. HE DID OBTAIN CITIZENSHIP AND EVENTUALLY OWNED HIS OWN SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, ROLAND'S TV AND ELECTRONICS. THE PAZ FAMILY WAS THE SECOND HOME IN THEIR BLOCK IN 1955 ON NORTH OTIS AVENUE. THE PAZ FAMILY OF SIX WERE REGULARS AT THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION CENTER AND PRODUCTS OF THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY. MR. PAZ WAS FREQUENTLY SEEN AT THE RECREATION CENTER PLAYING GUITAR, ATTENDING MEETINGS, AND PLAYING PING-PONG. MR. PAZ REALLY APPRECIATED THE VALUE OF THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION CENTER TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT MEANT TO THE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE. DUE TO HIS PASSION FOR SOCCER, HE STARTED THE FOREST HILLS YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE IN 1973 AND MADE THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION CENTER FIELD ITS HOME. THE FOREST HILLS YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE WAS A LARGE LEAGUE AND SERVED YOUTH OF ALL AGES. MR. PAZ COACHED HIS OWN TEAM. THE FOREST HILLS HURRICANES AND POSITIVELY INFLUENCED MANY YOUNG LIVES. ONE OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS NOW COACHES THREE TEAMS FOR THAT LEAGUE. MR. PAZ INSTILLED A PASSION FOR THE SPORT IN HIS PLAYERS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY SET AN EXAMPLE FOR GIVING BACK TO HIS COMMUNITY. AT THAT TIME, THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION CENTER FIELD WAS NOTHING BUT SAND, WEEDS, SAND SPURS AND PALMETTO BUSHES. MR. PAZ LOBBIED AND MET WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA THEN MAYOR GRECO ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS ASKING TO TRANSFORM THE FIELD INTO A MULTIPURPOSE SPORTS FIELD. BUT DUE TO LIMITED FUNDING OVER THE YEARS, OTHER AMENITIES WERE SLOWLY ADDED TO THE COMPLEX BUT THE FIELD ITSELF REMAINED UNDEVELOPED FOR A LONG TIME. MR. PAZ WAS SO DETERMINED TO TRY AND PROVIDE A PROPER SPORTS FIELD THAT HE RALLIED SOCCER TEAM MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND TRY AND IMPROVE THE FIELD THEMSELVES. IN 1975, CLOSE TO 100 PEOPLE SHOWED UP ON A SATURDAY BRINGING THEIR OWN RAKES, SHOVELS, AND HAND TILLERS TRYING TO LEVEL OUT THE FIELD AND MAKE IT USABLE. THEY ALL WORKED VERY HARD THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND FINALLY REALIZED THE TASK WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG EVEN FOR THEIR BIG HEARTS. MR. PAZ NEVER GAVE UP HOPE AND CONTINUED TO LOBBY THE CITY TO MAKE THE FIELD A TRUE SPORTS FIELD. THE FOREST HILLS SOCCER LEAGUE CONTINUED TO THRIVE AND GROW, BUT BEFORE THE SPORTS FIELD COULD BECOME A REALITY, MR. PAZ CONTRACTED LUNG CANCER AND QUICKLY SUCCUMBED. BEFORE HIS PASSING, THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY RALLIED TOGETHER AND SUPPORTED THE FAMILY DURING THAT DIFFICULT TIME. THE TAMPA ROWDIES PROVIDED MRS. PAZ A SOCCER BALL SIGNED BY THE ENTIRE TEAM AND ALSO SIGNED BY THE LEGENDARY SOCCER PLAYER PALEY IN HONOR OF MR. PAZ'S EFFORTS FOR YOUTH SOCCER AND THE COMMUNITY. THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY CREDITS MR. PAZ AND ALL HIS EFFORTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AT THE FOREST HILLS COMPLEX. 48 YEARS LATER, IF HE COULD SEE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE FIELD NOW, HE WOULD BE SO PROUD. PER OUR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS, THE PARKS AND REC HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED. THESE ARE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED BACK IN THE '70s. THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED A COMMEMORATIVE MARKER THAT DETAILS HIS EFFORTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION IS UP TO CITY COUNCIL AND AT YOUR DISCRETION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. WE HAVE HERE OFFICER ROY PAZ THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM, IF I MAY, WHENEVER IS APPROPRIATE. MS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR DETAILED PRESENTATION. YOU'RE ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH ON THESE TYPES OF ISSUES AND EVERYTHING . SO THE SUGGESTION, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE MARKER. I'M MAKING A MOTION AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT AND OFFICER PAZ IS ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, TO RENAME THAT RECREATION FIELD AFTER THE LATE ROLAND PAZ AS WELL AS THE MARKER. THERE'S STRONG COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS MOVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARK'S POSITION IS THAT THERE WAS IN THE 1970s VERY LITTLE DOCUMENTATION FOR CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING. SO THEY HAVE TO GO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE FOLKS OUT THERE. THERE IS STRONG UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE. WE HAVE OUT HERE ONE OF THE BEST GUYS I KNOW, OFFICER ROY PAZ, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. HE IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GUY. SERVED TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR OVER THREE DECADES, RECENTLY RETIRED. IS A MILITARY VETERAN. JUST A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GUY. HIS FATHER WAS A TRUE COMMUNITY LEGEND IN FOREST HILLS. A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE KNOW HIM, LIKE MICHELLE SAID CORRECTLY, IT WAS HIS IDEA TO MAKE THIS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD. EARLY ON IN THE EARLY DAYS, IF YOU LISTEN TO FOLKS WITH THEIR STORIES OUT THERE, IN THE EARLY SOCCER LEAGUE, THEY DID WITH WHAT THEY HAD. AND THEY WOULD USE TIRES. THEY WOULD USE PIPES FOR THE GOALS. THEY DID WITH WHAT THEY HAD. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MUSCLE BUT THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT OF HEART. THE LATE MR. ROLAND PAZ OWNED A TV REPAIR SHOP ON BUSCH BOULEVARD. A REAL NORTH TAMPA WORKING FAMILY. THEY HAD FOUR CHILDREN. WHEN OFFICER PAZ WAS TEN YEARS OLD, HIS FATHER PASSED ON. I SEE THE KIND OF MAN THAT OFFICER PAZ IS TODAY, AND WE'RE ALL PROUD OF HIM. WHEN HE DISCLOSED THIS TO ME ABOUT HIS FATHER ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I BECAME VERY EMOTIONAL BECAUSE WE WOULD ALL WANT TO HAVE KIDS AS DECENT AS OFFICER ROY PAZ IS. I BELIEVE THAT HIS FATHER LOOKS DOWN NOW WITH GREAT PRIDE AT THE KIND OF MAN THAT HIS SON IS. AND TO THINK ABOUT A SON MANY YEARS AFTER HIS DAD HAS PASSED, TO REMIND THE CITY ABOUT THE LEGACY OF WHAT HIS DAD DID AND SAY, THAT'S MY DAD THAT IS A BIG FRICKING DEAL TO ME AND I THINK WE OUT A TO HONOR THIS REQUEST. AGAIN, THIS IS A MAN TRUE COMMUNITY LEADER IN FOREST HILLS. UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE HIS SON HERE TO SUPPORT IT. WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM HIM, A MAN WHO WE ALL LOVE. A MAN WHO IS A TRUE, NOT JUST A TAMPA HERO, BUT A FOREST HILLS HERO. HE LIVES FOUR HOMES DOWN FROM THE HOME WHERE HE WAS RAISED BY HIS PARENTS. WHEN HIS FATHER PASSED ON WHEN HE WAS TEN YEARS OLD, HIS MOTHER WOULD RAISE THE FOUR CHILDREN WORKING ODD JOBS, TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. SHE WOULD ULTIMATELY RETIRE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AGAIN, A WOMAN THAT DID MANY, MANY GOOD THINGS. HONOR THIS FAMILY. FOREST HILLS LOVES ROLAND PAZ. LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN, COUNCIL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: DARLENE, CAN YOU GET MR. PAZ ON THE SCHEDULE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. NEXT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROY PAZ IS HERE, NICEST GUY IN TAMPA NOT NAMED LUIS VIERA, I'D LIKE TO SAY. THE PAZ FAMILY IS WELL KNOWN AND WELL-RESPECTED IN FOREST HILLS. IT'S AMAZING. YOUR FATHER PASSED AWAY MANY YEARS AGO, BUT PEOPLE STILL TALK ABOUT HIM BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT HE HAD ON THIS COMMUNITY. THIS IS SOMETHING LONG OVERDUE AND WELL DESERVED. IT'S AN HONOR THAT YOU ARE HERE. FAMILIAR FACE TO COUNCIL. AGAIN, I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM. STEPHANIE POYNOR, SANDY SANCHEZ AND YVONNE FERRELLI. NOT HERE. NO? MR. PAZ, ARE YOU PRESENT? >> I AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COME ON UP. >> HELLO. THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE NICE WORDS. COUNCIL, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. EVERY TIME I SEE YOU, I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE BIG SENDOFF YOU GAVE ME WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT ME TODAY, AND I'M HUMBLY HERE ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY. I HAVE TWO BROTHERS ROLAND, RICHARD AND MY SISTER VICKY. WE'RE HERE TO HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER NAMING THE FOREST HILLS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AFTER OUR LATE FATHER. OUR DAD WAS SUPER PASSIONATE ABOUT THE AREA, ABOUT FOREST HILLS, ABOUT THE RECREATION CENTER. I DON'T KNOW, MR. MIRANDA MAY REMEMBER TANYA HART. SHE ENDED UP BECOMING THE DIRECTOR OF THE FOREST HILLS -- I MEAN OF PARKS AND REC. BUT SHE STARTED OUT THERE IN FOREST HILLS. HER AND MY DAD WERE VERY CLOSE AND HAD REALLY GOOD TIMES TOGETHER AT THE REC CENTER AND EVERYTHING. MY DAD HAD A VISION FOR THAT FIELD. PLAYED FIRST DIVISION SOCCER IN SPAIN. HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SOCCER. HE JUST DIDN'T SEE THE FIELD AS A SOCCER FIELD. HE SAW IT AS A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD. HIS VISION OF THAT FIELD IS WHAT IT IS TODAY. WHEN THAT FIELD WAS BUILT -- I MEAN, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF FOREST HILLS AND ALSO MY FAMILY, WE CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR REFURBISHING THE FOREST HILLS PARK THERE. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. YOU CAN WALK THERE. PLAY PICKLEBALL THERE. ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THE FIELD ITSELF IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. AND IT HAS PEOPLE ON IT EVERY DAY PLAYING SOCCER, PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL. IT IS A VIBRANT, MULTIPURPOSE FIELD. WHEN WE SEE THAT FIELD, MY FAMILY AND I SEE IT, WE SEE OUR DAD, THAT WAS HIS VISION. HE RALLIED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOCCER LEAGUE TO GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO DO THAT HIMSELF BECAUSE AT THE TIME THE CITY COULD NOT DO THAT. IT WAS THE EXACT SAME SPOT OF WHERE THE FIELD IS TODAY. IT'S JUST LIKE, WOW, THIS IS JUST AMAZING. BUT ANYWAY, I HAD BROUGHT A SOCCER BALL, AND THIS WAS A BALL THAT WAS GIVEN TO MY FAMILY WHEN MY DAD GOT SICK AND HE PASSED AWAY. IT WAS SIGNED BY THE ROWDIES. IT'S THANKING HIM FOR HIS SUPPORT. HE WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL THAT IT WAS SIGNED BY PALEY HIMSELF. I'M HAPPY TO SEND THIS AROUND AND FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF MY DAD WOULD HAVE SAW THE SIGNATURE ON THERE, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FAINTED BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF HIS FAVORITE PLAYERS. BUT, AGAIN, I CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR EVEN CONSIDERING THIS AND ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY, WE HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER NAMING THE FIELD AFTER OUR DAD. OUR LAST NAME MEANS PEACE IN SPANISH. WHAT A FITTING THING TO BE PEACE FIELD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIKE TO THANK THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT WITH THIS AND ALSO PARKS AND REC FOR EVERYTHING THEY DID. COUNCILMAN VIERA, AHH, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND YOUR STAFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. PASTOR WILLIAMS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD? YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. GOOD MORNING. MS. BULLOCK, YOU'RE NEXT. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM. >> I THINK I GAVE YOU ALL ONE SOME TIME AGO, BUT YOU ALL NEVER RESPONDED. THIS ONE FROM MY CHURCH. IN GOD WE TRUST. HE THAT BELIEVE IN THE SON HAS EVER-LASTING LIFE. HE THAT BELIEVE NOT IN THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE BUT -- GOD IS ANGRY -- DEARLY BELOVED. AVENGE NOT YOURSELF. VENGEANCE IS MINE. I WILL -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PASTOR WILLIAMS, THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PASTOR WILLIAMS, THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD. IT IS, AMEN. >> I DON'T WANT TO GIVE RESPECT TO GOD? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN DO THAT. YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES. THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD IS THE TOPIC TODAY. >> I'LL SIT DOWN. YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE RESPECT TO GOD. I'M A PREACHER. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU CAN TAKE YOUR THREE MINUTES. NOTHING ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS COMPLEX ON THE RECORD. MS. BULLOCK. FOLLOWED BY MR. MICHELINI. >> GOOD MORNING. VALERIE BULLOCK FROM PONCE De LEON AT COLLEGE HILL. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. PAZ, ON GETTING THE FIELD NAMED AFTER YOUR FATHER. THAT'S AN HONOR. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FAIR OAKS AGAIN. WE WANT THE NAME AFTER ARTIS GAMBRELL AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR DIFFERENT PARKS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THE CITY OF TAMPA NEED TO WORK ON TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE PUSHED TO THE SIDE WHERE OTHERS IS A SMOOTH PROCESS. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK. MR. MICHELINI? NOTHING. OKAY. YVONNE FERRELLI. YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING? >> [INAUDIBLE] >>GWEN HENDERSON: MENTESNOT. >> UHURU, MENTESNOT. UHURU MEANS FREEDOM. WHAT WE SEE, AS LIFE GOES ON, WE SEE TIME AND ENERGY RESOURCES EXPENDED ON THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EMANCIPATION, THE FREEDOM, THE INDEPENDENCE SELF-DETERMINATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE SEE STUFF LIKE TALKING ABOUT FIELDS AND PARKS AND RECREATION AND OTHER STUFF AND BRIDGES AND LIGHTS ON THE BRIDGES AND RIVERWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND WE DEMAND 26% OF THIS CITY BUDGET. WE DON'T WANT THE NONSENSE ABOUT FIELDS AND PARKS AND RECREATION CENTERS AND WHAT YOU DO. IT'S ALL HONORABLE AND IT'S ALL GOOD, BUT AS GOOD AS PETTY STUFF. IT'S PETTY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NEEDING AND WANTING OUR NECESSITIES FOR THE LAST 825 YEARS UNDER THE OCCUPATION OF A VARIETY OF EMPIRES ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FIELDS, TALK ABOUT MR. ARTIS GAMBRELL AND FAIR OAKS AND WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT DONE. LOTS OF PEOPLE CAME TO SUPPORT THAT. IT'S NOT DONE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT FIELDS, THOUGH, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CHILD SUPPORT, THAT IS A GENOCIDE PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE VOTE AND HOW IT WORKS. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY SCANDALIZE INDIVIDUALS. ONE THING AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, TALKING ABOUT FIELDS, WHEN THIS MAYORAL VOTE IS COMING UP, THEY NEED TO TAKE AND PUT MONEY IN THAT. TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THE FIELDS. TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUT IT INTO THAT AND HOW THAT COMES ABOUT. TAKE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MICHELLE PATTY, HOW WTMP, KAY WHWELLS, FLORIDA SENTINEL AND OE OR TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS, FEW PREACHERS, REVEREND THOMAS SCOTT AND A FEW OTHER INDIVIDUALS LEAD THE NEGROES IN THIS CITY. HISTORICALLY HAVE LED THE NEGROES TO VOTE FOR STUPIDITY. THAT NEED TO CHANGE. THAT NEED TO CHANGE. AND ANY AFRICAN PERSON IN THIS CITY WHO WOULD VOTE FOR BOB BUCKHORN -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. MENTESNOT. THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] >> STOP MY TIME WHILE YOU INTERRUPT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD ITEM 1 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS REGARDING THE AGENDA ITEM OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO DISRESPECT THIS CHAMBER? >> I'M MOST DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT FIELDS AND TALKING ABOUT WHERE RESOURCES SHOULD GO. TALKING ABOUT THE STUPIDITY ON FIELDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD. I'M MOST DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MUCH TIME DOES HE HAVE LEFT? OKAY. LET'S GET YOUR 15 SECONDS DONE. >> AND THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, SIR. >> WHAT YOU DID IS DISRESPECTFUL. AND NEXT TIME YOU'LL GET CURSED OUT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I STOPPED THE CLOCK FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. YOU CAN FINISH YOUR 15 SECONDS, I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, MULTI-SPORTS FIELD COMPLEX. >> IF YOU HAD ANY KIND OF FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR WAY OF THINKING, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY NEED TO KNOW, DO NOT VOTE FOR BOB BUCKHORN. HOLD YOUR VOTE 100%. DON'T LET OUR PEOPLE RUN THROUGH THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NEXT SPEAKER. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? LET ME LOG BACK INTO THIS MACHINE. IT WENT OUT. COUNCIL, I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I MAKE A MOTION? >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THOSE FOR THE END UNDER NEW BUSINESS? WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ITEM. YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY? LET'S DO IT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AGAIN WANTED TO THANK MS. VAN LOAN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. QUESTION EITHER FOR MS. VAN LOAN OR MR. SHELBY, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER MOTION TO HAVE THIS COME BACK? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE. WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE, I REQUEST FIRST READING FOR JULY 17. UPON PASSING OF THE MOTION, WE WILL POST THIS TO OUR WEBSITE TOMORROW. FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD WANT TO ENTER PUBLIC COMMENT IT WOULD POST MAY 23rd THROUGH JUNE 16. BECAUSE OF YOUR JULY HOLIDAY, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU SET FIRST READING FOR JULY 17. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY MOTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A FIRST READING ON THE RENAMING OF THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD AFTER THE LATE ROLAND PAZ, SENIOR, AS WELL AS WITH THE MARKER WHICH MS. VAN LOAN SPOKE OF AND TO HAVE THAT COME BACK ON JULY 17. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE KNOWN OFFICER PAZ AND HIS FATHER MANY YEARS. IN FACT, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAY I WAS HERE IN 1977. IT'S AN HONOR. LOOK BACK 50 YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT IT IS JUST ABOUT, YOU REALIZE THAT SOCCER IS NOT WHAT SOCCER IS TODAY. SOCCER WAS SOMEWHERE WHERE NO ONE PLAYS. MAYBE TWO OR THREE KIDS TRYING IT OUT. THE INSPIRATION OF SOCCER, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY HAD THE ROWDIES, WAY BACK, STARTED WAY BACK MANY YEARS AGO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. PAZ BY TEACHING THE KIDS WAS AN INFLUENTIAL, LIKE A GAS STOVE LIGHTING UP ONE OF THE GAS PARTS OF WHERE YOU COULD COOK AT AND GIVING THE KIDS A HEAD START IN WHAT WAS TO BE A COMPETITIVE SPORT. MORE PEOPLE PLAYING SOCCER IN THE WORLD THAN THERE IS FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL COMBINED. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FATHER FOR LEADING THE WAY AND MAKING SOME CHANGES IN AMERICA. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MS. VAN LOAN. ITEM NUMBER 2 IS MR. VIK BHIDE, STORMWATER CONSULTANT APPLIED SCIENCES TO PRESENT THE UPDATES ON THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. ARE YOU GOING TO GO IN ORDER? SO THE SPEAKERS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR EACH TOPIC, ITEM AGENDA. >>VIK BHIDE: NUMBER 2 FIRST. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, COUNCIL. VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY. I HAVE OUR STORMWATER MANAGER WITH US AND OUR CONSULTANT AS WELL. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION FIRST MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON ABOUT THE STORMWATER PLAN AND THEN OUR CONSULTANT WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION AS REQUESTED. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. APPLIED SCIENCES IS HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE UPDATE OF CITYWIDE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE THEY PRESENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. SO TO THIS DAY, THE CITY HAS CONDUCTED THOUSANDS OF STORMWATER STUDIES FOR MAJORITY PARTS OF THE CITY IN RESPONSE TO FLOODING PROBLEMS AND TO DEVELOP THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THIS STUDY SPAN FROM ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO TO MOST RECENT. AND SOME PARTS OF THE STUDIES HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH A DETAILED STUDY BECAUSE OF NOT MANY FLOODING COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED. SO THIS PROJECT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST STORMWATER PLANNING PROJECT OF THE CITY AND IS REALLY BRINGS ALL PARTS OF THE CITY UP TO TODAY'S CONDITIONS AND TO TODAY'S ENGINEERING PRACTICE STANDARDS. IT WILL ADDRESS TWO MAJOR QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE CURRENT STATE OF CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO AFTER COMPLETING ALL THE IMPLEMENT PROJECTS FROM SMALL SCALE LOCALIZED NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS TO REGIONAL SCALE, LARGE SCALE REGIONAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, SUCH AS MacDILL 48, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IS STILL LACKING IN CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM SO THAT A LIST OF NEW PROJECTS CAN BE DEVELOPED. NUMBER TWO, CURRENT FLOOD RISKS. WE ALL HEARD ABOUT. [INDISCERNIBLE] BEING FLOODED. THOSE WERE DESIGNATED ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO, AND THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED WITH NEWER AND BETTER DATA. THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROJECT. ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE FLOOD RISKS AND THEIR CURRENT CONDITIONS. SO THIS PROJECT PLANNING PHASE WAS COMPLETED IN 2023. AND WE HAVE ENGAGED SIX CONSULTING FIRMS WITH APPLIED BEING THE LEAD. COUNCIL APPROVED AGREEMENTS SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR AND THE WORK STARTED EARLY THIS YEAR. WITH THAT, OVER TO APPLIED. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY SOMETHING QUICK TO SET THIS UP? I MADE THE MOTION ON THIS, BUT THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS SESSION HERE. AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR DOING THAT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR ASKED FOR THE CONSULTANT TO COME. I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT NECESSARILY COMPEL THE ADMINISTRATION TO BRING THE CONSULTANT AND ALSO THE CITY HAS TO PAY THEM TO BE HERE. BUT I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF FOR BRINGING THE CONSULTANT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOOD MORNING. >> ROGER WITH APPLIED SCIENCES CONSULTING. I AM THE PRESIDENT. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE ARE ALSO THE LEAD CONSULTANT THAT'S LEADING THIS EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE WOULD BE SHARING WITH YOU. GREAT. BRIEFLY, HERE IS THE AGENDA FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME QUICK INTRODUCTIONS BACKGROUND INFORMATION, CURRENT EFFORTS AND GOALS, SCHEDULE AND MILESTONES AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END. HERE IS OUR PRESENTATION TEAM THAT'S WITH US HERE TODAY. AGAIN, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF APPLIED SCIENCES. I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. CERTIFIED MANAGER AND BOARD CERTIFIED ENGINEER, AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF FOUNDING APPLIED SCIENCES RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA IN 2005. HEADQUARTERED IN DOWNTOWN. ALSO WITH ME IS MARK. HE WORKED FOR 30 YEARS AT S.W.F.W.M.D. HE LED THE FLOOD PROTECTION MANAGEMENT WATER SUPPLY AND WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS AND WETLAND WHEN HE WAS AT S.W.F.W.M.D. FINALLY WITH ME TODAY IS TAYLOR LANGFORD, WHO IS ALSO A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING ON MASTER PLANS JUST LIKE THIS ONE FOR S.W.F.W.M.D. AND OTHER CITIES. HONORED AS SMALL BUSINESS OF THE YEAR. AND THE USF FAST 56. GLAD TO BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THIS MEANS AS MUCH TO US AS ANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY. AS WE DIVE INTO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM AND WHY WE STARTED IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT WE CALL THE LIFE OF A STORMWATER PROJECT. MOST OF THE PROJECTS, WHETHER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PINELLAS COUNTY, ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY REALLY START BY ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM OF SORTS. IT'S A FLOODING PROBLEM. IT'S A COMPLAINT OF SORTS. WE GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE THOSE PROBLEMS. SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE SIMPLE MAINTENANCE ISSUE OR SOMETHING CLOGGING IT, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE QUICKLY FIXED AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING. A LOT OF TIMES SOMETHING A LOT MORE COMPLEX LIKE A LACK OF A DRAINAGE SYSTEM OR A SYSTEM UNDER CAPACITY, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THOSE LATELY. ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE, THERE'S USUALLY A POLICY DECISION AND A BUDGET DECISION TO ADVANCE THAT AND TO STUDY THE ISSUE AND SEE HOW CAN THIS REGIONAL SYSTEM BE IMPROVED. WE DO THE MODELING FOR THE WHOLE DRAINAGE BASIN, WATERSHED, WHATEVER THE DRAINAGE AREA MIGHT BE. AND WE START TO COME UP WITH REGIONAL SOLUTIONS THAT WILL END UP ADDRESSING AND ALLEVIATING SOME OF THOSE FLOODING PROBLEMS. AND FROM THESE MODELING EXERCISES AND THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, YOU GET PROJECTS, AND THESE PROJECTS ADJUST WATER QUANTITY AND WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT THIS PROBLEM IS TRYING TO FIX. THEY GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FEASIBILITY. ARE THEY FEASIBLE? CAN THEY GET DONE? ARE THERE ANY RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES? EASEMENT ISSUES? DO WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH TECO, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, ANY OTHER ENTITIES OR EVEN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY GET DONE? AND THAT'S ALL VETTED DURING THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THIS IS WHEN WE GET EXACTLY WHAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TO BE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. WITH THAT, WE GO AND WE GET THE DESIGN AND THE PERMITTING FOR THE PROJECT. SOMETIMES THAT'S BUNDLED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AS A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT LIKE SOME OF THE CITY HAS FOR SOME OF THEIR STORMWATER PROJECTS. SOMETIMES IT IS A DESIGN BID BUILD PROCESS. IT DIDN'T ALWAYS BE THAT WAY. IN THE PAST BEFORE PERMITTING AND OTHER REGULATIONS, IT USED TO BE THAT YOU FIND A PROBLEM, YOU DIG A DITCH, IT'S DONE. CORPS OF ENGINEERS, OTHER ENTITIES DID THAT THROUGH THE YEARS AND THEN AS WE LEARNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON WETLANDS AND OTHER ECOSYSTEM ITEMS, WE LEARNED TO GO THROUGH MORE SYSTEMATIC MANNER. FINALLY ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, WE GO THROUGH OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE GET THESE THINGS BUILT, THAT WE ARE OPERATING THEM PROPERLY AND MAINTAINING THEM PROPERLY FOR BEST PRACTICES AND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. WHY? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE'RE BACK ON THE PROBLEM SIDE AND WE'LL HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN. THIS IS WHY THIS IS KEEPING THAT IN MIND IS VERY IMPORTANT. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW AND THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THE CITYWIDE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BY LOOKING AT ALL THE BASINS IN THE CITY. THE CITY HAS MORE OR LESS 46 BASINS OR 46 AREAS. YOU'LL HEAR ME USE THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY. WE LOOK AT WHAT WAS STUDIED, WHAT WASN'T STUDIED, WHAT PROJECTS WERE BUILT THROUGH THE YEARS. AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WERE A LOT OF PROJECTS BUILT. HENDERSON, UPPER PENINSULA, BIG PROJECTS DONE IN THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS. SMALL PROJECTS, 40th AVENUE, A LOT OF PROJECTS DONE THROUGH THE YEARS. WE TRIED TO GET A BIG PICTURE OF WHAT WAS DONE AND FIGURE OUT THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NEXT. SO THIS ONE IS A MAP OR A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE BASINS OR DRAINAGE AREAS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY STUDIED IN THE CITY. AND THESE CAN GO BACK TO MANY YEARS, LIKE THE CLEVELAND STREET STUDY, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT GOES BACK MANY YEARS. IT WAS DONE, STUDIED, LOOKED AT. AND SOME WERE MORE RECENT LIKE THE UPPER PENINSULA JUST REFERENCED BEFORE. AS WE WENT THROUGH THESE, WE ALSO LOOKED AT OR MARKED THE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE, TIA AND THE PORT AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JURISDICTION AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES AND BUDGETING. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T COORDINATE WITH THEM. IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AFTER WE WENT THROUGH THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS OF THE ONES THAT WERE NOT STUDIED, WE BEGAN THE STUDIES UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE 11 OF THOSE ALREADY UNDERWAY. AND THOSE CAME TO THE TOP BECAUSE OF EITHER FLOODING PROBLEMS, CAME ON TOP BECAUSE OF PRIORITY OF COMPLAINTS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHAT THE CITY STAFF WENT THROUGH IN DOING THAT PRIORITIZATION. NEXT IN LINE, AFTER WE FINISHED THE CURRENT STEP WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE OR YELLOW RIGHT HERE. AND THOSE WOULD BE, ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH THAT, WE WOULD HAVE COMPLETED STUDYING ALL THE DRAINAGE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE CITY. HERE IS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT TERRAIN. LOOKING AT EXISTING FLOODING PROBLEMS, DRAINAGE AREAS. WHAT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE. IN THIS CASE, THERE IS A BOX CULVERT THAT GOES OUT TO THE BAY. THIS SPECIFIC BASIN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS HAD RECENT FLOODING ISSUES, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY STUDIED. THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IN THIS FIRST BATCH THAT I JUST DISCUSSED. WE'RE ALSO SETTING UP A DASHBOARD FOR THE ENTIRE EFFORT THAT WILL SHOW WHICH BASINS ARE BEING STUDIED, THE SCHEDULES, BUDGETS, AND ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT EITHER COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. AND THAT WOULD BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME SOON FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE AND HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY OF THE PROCESS. THIS IS A LIST OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS. TOTAL OF 6 CONSULTANTS, INCLUDING OURSELVES, THAT ARE WORKING ON THESE VARIOUS BASINS WITH THE VARIOUS COMPLETION DEADLINES AS YOU SEE. WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR, THAT FIRST BATCH OF THE MODELING TO BE COMPLETED IS IN 2026, FEBRUARY 2026. THIS IS AN OVERALL SCHEDULE THAT WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO GET IT IMPLEMENTED WHERE WE WOULD BE COMPLETING THE ENTIRE PROGRAM WITH PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY JUNE 2027. THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WAS FUNDED. RIGHT NOW THAT FUNDING WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. AND THAT IS ABOUT $5 MILLION. SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE'RE IDENTIFYING THE PROJECTS, WE CALL THE GREEN AND GRAY PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM ARE THE CLASSICAL BOX CULVERTS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY GET THE WATER FROM UPSTREAM TO DOWNSTREAM. BUT ALSO LOOKING AT SOME MORE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AND ITEMS THAT WE HAVE USED THROUGH THE YEARS THAT ARE MORE SENSITIVE, LIKE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS COUNTERPART THAT WE DESIGNED IN CITY OF PALMETTO. WE HAVE THE FLEXI PAY, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT. PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S ALSO PERVIOUS. LESS RUNOFF. LESS POLLUTION. YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, BUT SOLAR PANELS ON THAT -- WE HAVE AN AERATION DEVICE IN THE POND FOR BETTER OXYGENATION. AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE STANDARD OF THE INDUSTRY TO USE AS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. WE ALSO ARE CONSIDERING AND WE MAY NEED TO CONSIDER SOME MORE WHAT WE CALL ACTIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHERE GRAVITY BY ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH. THE PICTURE IN THE MIDDLE IS FOR THE HOLIDAY PUMP STATION WE DESIGNED FOR PASCO COUNTY. THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT. WE DON'T REALLY LIKE TO USE PUMP STATIONS BUT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE IF WE NEED TO EFFICIENTLY ADDRESS A PROBLEM. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT IS CALLED REAL-TIME FLOOD FORECASTING. AND THESE ARE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE BEING USED IN OTHER AREAS AROUND THE STATE AND AROUND THE BAY AREA WHERE YOU ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO SEE A STORM COMING, GET THE IMPACT OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO A CERTAIN PERIOD OR A CERTAIN WATERSHED. OPEN UP PONDS. OPEN UP GATES TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE WATER OUT AND THEN BE ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY CAPTURE THAT ADDITIONAL RUNOFF AS THE STORM COMES. THAT WAS USED SUCCESSFULLY IN MANATEE COUNTY DURING THE LAST TWO HURRICANES THAT WE HAD. AND THEY ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A SYSTEM USING SOME TECHNOLOGIES. THERE ARE SOME OFF-THE-SHELF SYSTEMS AND SYSTEMS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD YOURSELF. WE HELPED THEM WITH THAT STUDY AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW TO GET THIS PERMITTED THROUGH S.W.F.W.M.D. FOR AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT TO DEMONSTRATE ALTHOUGH THEY ARE OPENING UP THE GATES AND OPERATING THEM, STILL MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA AND THE MINIMUM PURPOSE OF WHAT THAT POND WAS BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AND IMPLEMENTING AND LOOKING AT THOSE AS WE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY. THE BONUS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ALSO IS THE FACT THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, OR CRS BENEFITS THROUGH THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, FIP, THE CITY RIGHT NOW CURRENT STATUS IS FIVE. WHICH WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 25% DISCOUNT ON ALL FLOOD PREMIUMS. AS WE ARE FINISHING UP, AS WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER OUR MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY AT 3. JUMP FROM 4 AND BE AT 3, WHICH ALLOW 35% DISCOUNT AND 8.3 MILLION. THE THRESHOLD THERE IS THE FACT THAT WE STUDIED 50% OR MORE OF THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING COME FEBRUARY, ACTUALLY. SO THE CITY IS GOING TO BE IN GREAT SHAPE TO ACTUALLY GET SOME DISCOUNTS ON THE PREMIUMS AND TO BE PROUD TO GET THIS LEVEL OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE NFIP AND PASS SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS ON TO THE RESIDENTS. WITH THAT, WE OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE? WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVINGS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CITY. DOES THAT MEAN CITY PROPERTIES OR DOES THAT MEAN RESIDENTS? >> RESIDENTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFIED THAT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY, $8.3 MILLION IS GREAT, BUT FOR RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT'S WONDERFUL. THEN IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE INITIAL MAP OF THE STORMWATER. YES, THAT BASIN MAP. SO I NOTICED PART WAY THROUGH, SO THIS WAS YOUR ORIGINAL MAP, AND THERE'S 46 DRAINAGE BASINS. I SAW THAT THERE IS A 47th NOW WHERE YOU DIVIDED 29 IN HALF. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE DOING BASED ON STUDIES? AS YOU LOOK AT AREAS, DO YOU SEE, OH, WELL, THESE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND DIVIDE THEM OUT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DO YOU GET ANOTHER DRAINAGE BASIN? >> THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, AND WE ARE ALWAYS COLLECTING INFORMATION ON HOW TO ACTUALLY BETTER REPRESENT WHAT'S HAPPENING. SOMETIMES IT CAN BE AN ACTUAL EVENT. SOMETIMES IT COULD BE A PRODUCT OF SURVEYING THAT WAS SENT OUT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SURVEYORS THAT WERE SENT OUT BY OUR SIX CONSULTANTS TO ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION. AND ALSO IT COULD BE JUST PERMITS ON OTHER DATA THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WOULD HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS. THE CITY OF TAMPA, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS ON THE FLAT SIDE COMPARED TO OCALA, TALLAHASSEE OR OTHER AREAS. ANY INFORMATION LIKE THAT WOULD HELP US MAKE BETTER JUDGMENTS AND BETTER CALLS ON THE DRAINAGE. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. AT THE VERY END OF THIS, WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY WILL NOT BE LOOKED AT? >> THE GOAL IS BY THE END OF THIS IS TO LOOK AT ALL THE POLARIZE IN THE CITY EXCEPT THE THREE AREAS -- PARCELS IN THE CITY EXCEPT THE THREE AREAS I MENTIONED MacDILL PORT TIA. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU MENTIONED TOWARD THE END ANY CITY THAT HAD 50%. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS STUDY WILL REVIEW 100% OF THE DRAINAGE BASINS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. >> CORRECT. I CAN CLARIFY THAT. I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE POINTS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CRS SYSTEM. ONE OF THOSE POINTS REQUIREMENTS IS FOR A CITY OR A COUNTY OR AN ENTITY TO STUDY AND UPDATE 50% OR MORE OF THEIR DRAINAGE AREA. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WAY BEYOND THAT. UP ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT IN THIS PLAN. >> YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: AT THE END, WHEN THIS IS GETTING CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETED AS A PLAN, DO WE HAVE IN THE CONTRACT FOR YOU ALL TO PRESENT TO COMMUNITY GROUPS? >> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS. ONE, THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PROCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE END. WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE AND MAYBE CITY STAFF CAN MORE ADDRESS THAT NOW OR LATER. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >> I DO WANT TO ADD THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS. THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF SENDING PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW THE STATUS. THEY ARE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO SHARE THE FLOODING DOCUMENTATIONS AND OTHER EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORT AND VALIDATE OUR STUDIES. FLOOD PLAN, FLOOD RISKS IDENTIFIED, WE'LL HOST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING FOR EVERY SINGLE BASIN WE'RE STUDYING SO PEOPLE CAN COME OVER AND LOOK AT THE -- SHARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PROCESS GETTING THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW. 47 MEETINGS. THAT'S AMAZING. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. INTERESTINGLY, ONE MORE QUESTION. BOTH OF YOU TALKED ABOUT GETTING PUBLIC DATA. WHERE CAN THE PUBLIC SHARE THAT DATA WITH YOU NOW? IF THEY HAVE PHOTOS. IF THEY HAVE ANY TYPES OF DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE FLOODING THEY RECEIVED IN EITHER THEIR HOUSE OR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE CAN THEY SEND THAT? >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A DASHBOARD AND ALSO THE CITY WEBSITE SO THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, SENDING THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, THEY CAN UPLOAD PHOTOS OR DOCUMENTATION TO THE WEBSITE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THE WEBSITE COMPLETE MORE OR LESS? >> I WOULD SAY EARLY SUMMER. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. WELL, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. WHEN IT'S READY, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF DURING ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE IF YOU COULD COME AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN THE WEBSITE SO THAT FOLKS AND MAYBE A QR CODE SO PEOPLE CAN USE IT DIRECTLY FROM THERE. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT IS A PERFECT USE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE. SO THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST TO YOU. >> YES, THE MOTION, THIS IS INITIAL WORKSHOP. THE MOTION IS COME BACK EVERY QUARTER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SO THAT BY THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THE INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT, GREAT. I'M JUST SAYING IF IT HAPPENS TO HAPPEN, COME EARLIER, THE EARLIER THE BETTER. >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY. VIK BHIDE. REAL QUICK, AND ELIE POINTED THIS OUT. WE ALREADY RECEIVED, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS. THAT IS BEING PASSED ON TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAMS AS WELL, AS KIND OF BASELINE INFORMATION. BEYOND THE DASHBOARD THAT WE'LL SET UP AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE ALREADY HAVE A BASELINE SET OF INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THAT BASELINE SET INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO CALL IN WITH COMPLAINTS? OR DOES IT JUST INCLUDE AREAS THAT STAFF HAS SEEN? >>VIK BHIDE: IT DOES INCLUDE COMPLAINTS AS WELL. IN FACT, THAT IS HOW THE FIRST KIND OF LEVEL OF THE PLANNING EFFORT, I WANT TO SAY 10, 12 YEARS WAS DONE, WAS BASED ON THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING. WE HAVE THE INFORMATION. WE HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE LAST STORM SEASON, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT GIVEN THIS IS A PLANNING-LEVEL STUDY, THAT WILL BE THE STARTING POINT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR. MAKE A COMPLAINT, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THE SECTION. I DO APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OPERATION AND HOW WELL QUALIFIED YOUR TEAM IS. OUT OF THE 46 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THERE'S 46 HUNDRED THOUSAND SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A PHENOMENON THAT FINALLY NATURE HAS CAUGHT UP TO REALITY. THE REALITY IS THAT WE MISREAD NATURE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I'M NOT A SKEINS. I DON'T HAVE THE DEGREES YOU GUYS HAVE, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS IF YOU LOOK AT TENNESSEE, KENTUCKY, DEVASTATING NOT ONLY ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES, WHICH HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. I HOPE THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOMETHING, NOT A STOPGAP, BUT SOMETHING FOR LONG TERM TO SAY WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING. HOWEVER I HAVE DOUBT. THE DOUBT IS THAT BAY, YOU AND I CAN'T CONTROL. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WATER DOES NOT FLOW NORTH. IT FLOWS WHERE? SOUTH. WHAT'S AT THE BAY, THE OUTLET WHERE THE WATER GOES INTO. THAT BAY IS COMING IN, INCOMING TIDE AND YOU HAVE THIS WATER COMING OUT, THE COLLISION IS GOING TO BE NOT IN OUR FAVOR, TRILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF GALLONS AND WE HAVE WATER GOING OUT, OR SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT BUT IT'S GOING TO COME BACK. MY CONCERN IS TWOFOLD. ONE, HOW WILL WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM OR MINIMIZE IT? SECONDLY, WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE TORN DOWN ONLY BECAUSE IT HAS FIVE FEET OF WATER INSIDE, WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ISLANDS AND YOU LOOK AT PUERTO RICO -- YES, SIR. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A REALLY GOOD POINT. THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE. IN FACT, ELIE BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS YEAR. OUR STORMWATER ENTERPRISE SPEAKS TO STORMWATER, BOTH ASSESSMENTS, IMPROVEMENT AND THE CAPITAL -- SORRY, CAPITAL AND SERVICE ASSESSMENT. APOLOGIES. STORMWATER IS DEFINED AS WATER THAT IS COLLECTED BY RAIN. YOU ARE ACCURATELY POINTING OUT RISKS TO OUR COASTLINE FROM SURGE AND SALTWATER. THAT IS NOT DEFINED IN OUR IMPROVEMENT OR SERVICE ASSESSMENTS. AND TREATMENTS FOR THOSE ARE NOT IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THIS SYSTEM. AND THAT DOES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. THERE ARE POLICIES HISTORICALLY BETWEEN THE AGENCIES, PORTS, AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES. AND SOME OF THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY INTENSIVE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEAWALLS AND RAISING SEAWALLS AND THEN ADDING PUMP STATIONS BEHIND IT. BUT THAT DOES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE IN OUR ENTERPRISE, BOTH SERVICE AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENT, STORMWATER IS RAIN ONLY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. WHEN I SAY -- I SEE SOMEONE COMING UP TO THE MIKE THAT I BELIEVE KNOWS MORE THAN ME, I STOP. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION LIKE WE'RE HAVING NOW, CERTAINLY IT'S VERY NICE TO HAVE IT ON THE TABLE AND UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT I CAN'T CONTROL NATURE. SOMETHING THAT'S THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEFORE AND NATURE SAYS I'LL HAVE IT FOUR TIMES, IT WORKS UP TO A POINT. AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY, THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING, BUT CAN WE SOLVE IT ALL? IT'S HARD TO LIVE BY A COASTAL AREA. IT'S HARD TO LIVE IN THE MOUNTAINS WHEN YOU HAVE A TORNADO COMING AT YOU AND CAN'T MOVE AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THESE ARE THINGS OF NATURE. BUT WE HAVE CAUSED THAT PROBLEM, ALL OF US LIVING IN AMERICA HAVE CAUSED THAT PROBLEM. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. THANKS AGAIN. JUST SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. YOU SHOWED THE COLORED MAPS OF THE DEPTH OF THE WATER. THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL AS WE'VE GONE OUT IN THE FIELD TO MEET WITH FOLKS. I'M CURIOUS, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE DEPTH? DO YOU HAVE DEVICES IN PLACES THAT SHOW IS IT JUST MEASURING RAINFALL? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY LIVES AT THE BOTTOM OF A BASIN, THE WATER IS HITTING -- IF IT'S FOUR INCHES, THEY MIGHT HAVE 20 INCHES BECAUSE IT'S ALL POURING IN THERE. HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? >> WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL LIE GAR IN GIS -- LiDAR, A GIS DEVICE USED FOR SURVEYING AND ELEVATIONS OF THE TERRAIN. >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU FLY OVER AFTER IT RAINED OR DO IT IN GENERAL? >> THAT INFORMATION IS LED BY THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THEY FLY FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PINELLAS COUNTY -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS THE FLOW OF WATER. THERE ARE QUESTIONS -- I DON'T WANT TO MENTION SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM THAT'S POURING IN. IF YOU LOOK AT A BOWL, YOU CAN FIGURE IT'S MAYBE COMING FROM EVERYWHERE. SOMETIMES THEY THINK IT'S COMING FROM SPECIFIC PLACES IF THE TERRAIN IS CHANGED IN SOME WAY. IS THERE ANY WAY TO MEASURE WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM? >> ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO. WHEN WE SET UP OUR MODEL BASED ON THE TERRAIN, BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS IN PLACE, WE DO THE MODELING FOR THAT. THE FIRST STEP WE DO RIGHT AFTER DONE WITH MODELING IS WHAT WE CALL CALIBRATION, WHICH IS TO FIGURE OUT, IS WHAT WAS OBSERVED IN THE FIELD, FROM COMPLAINTS, FROM THE DATA COMING IN FROM THE CITIZENS, DOES THAT MATCH WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MODEL? WE'RE LOOKING AT STAIN LINES. WE'RE LOOKING AT PICTURES. WE ASK AS MANY PICTURES, AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT COULD BE SHARED FROM THE PUBLIC MAKES OUR TOOL A LOT MORE ACCURATE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 100% ACCURATE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY ACCURATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE VIDEOS AND THE REPORTS WERE THERE WAS A WATERFALL OF WATER COMING OVER THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE VIDEOS AND PICTURES AND USING THAT TO CALIBRATE? >> CORRECT. >>BILL CARLSON: TO THE SAME POINT THAT CAME UP ABOUT SURGE, VIK ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT SURGE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TEXT WAS DEFINED. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, CULBREATH HEIGHTS, BAYSIDE WEST, DAVIS ISLANDS, THAT WERE HIT WITH SURGE. IS THERE A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN STARTED ON SURGE? HOW DO WE START THAT SO WE CAN MEASURE THAT AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS? I'M SURE THE PEOPLE HIT BY SURGE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AS WELL. >> RIGHT. AS VIK MENTIONED, THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY A PORTION OF THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT RAINFALL FRESHWATER. BUT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND AS YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, WE HAD TWO HURRICANES. WE HAD MILTON AND WE HAD HELENE. HELENE WAS A STORM SURGE, SALTWATER FLOODING. MILTON WAS FRESHWATER FLOODING. TWO DIFFERENT STORMS, TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST ASK MAYBE STAFF -- SORRY TO MOVE FAST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO CUT ME OFF AT FIVE MINUTES, I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF, DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO START THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT SURGE AND WHICH DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IT AND HOW WE WOULD GET THAT STARTED. ONE PIECE OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THEY BELIEVE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAVE CAUSED WATER TO FLOW IN DIFFERENT WAYS. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN MEASURE WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT? >> SO THE TERM NEW DEVELOPMENT IS VERY GENERAL, RIGHT? BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED. WE LOOK AT THE PIPES AND THE PONDS AND INLETS AND WE INTEGRATE THEM INTO OUR MODELS. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SHORTLY -- >>BILL CARLSON: SIMPLE VERSION. IF A NEW HOUSE COMES IN AND ELEVATE THE NEW HOUSE BY EIGHT FEET AND THERE IS A HOUSE AT GROUND LEVEL, FOLKS HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE WATER IS FLOWING FROM THE NEW HOUSE INTO THEIR HOUSE WHERE THEY DIDN'T BEFORE WHEN IT WAS AT GROUND LEVEL. YOU SAY YOU'RE ABLE TO MEASURE FOR THAT TOO. >> IN CASES LIKE THAT, SUPPOSEDLY THE WAY THE SYSTEM SHOULD WORK IN OUR FLOW IS THAT PERMITS SHOULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR HOUSES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FLOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? SO WE LOOK AT THOSE PERMITS AND WE CAN VERIFY, YES, THEY DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLOOD THEIR NEIGHBORS. BUT IF WE SEE SOMETHING OFF WITH THAT, WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH THE PERMITTING AGENCY. >>BILL CARLSON: ON YOUR LIST OF 46, SOME AREAS THAT WERE AFFECTED AND BEEN OUT WITH SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. ONE IS THE COACHMAN AREA AND HELENE, JUST HALF A BLOCK, COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM BAYSHORE. I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE 46. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH STAFF BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT, JEFF HAS BEEN OUT. COACHMAN, KNIGHTS, THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES, HARBORVIEW THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES THAT WERE FLOODED. I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POCKETS THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT ACTUALLY WERE DAMAGED ARE INCLUDED IN THE 46. >> YEAH, COACHMAN, HELENE IS PART OF THE LOWER PENINSULA WATERSHED AND IS INCLUDED IN THE STUDY. IT WILL BE UPDATED. >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN DID YOU SAY THE STUDY WOULD BE DONE? >> FEBRUARY 2026 IS THE MODEL COMPLETION. >>BILL CARLSON: BIG QUESTION COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, ANY CHANCE YOU ALL COULD THROW OUT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS IN THE MEANTIME SO WE CAN PROTECT PEOPLE IN THE CURRENT STORMS? >> THE MODEL COMPLETION IS 2026. THE PROJECTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER, 2026. IN THE MEANTIME, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ISSUE REGARDING THE PUMP STATION, I BELIEVE CITY STAFF IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK PUMP STATIONS, WHAT I OBSERVED, PUMP STATIONS ARE A SMALL PART OF THE ISSUE OF THE FLOODING AND ALSO THE PUMP STATION ISSUES ARE DIFFERENT. SOME AREAS THEY NEED GENERATORS. SOME DID. PUMPS WEREN'T STRONG ENOUGH. IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS. PEOPLE HAVE REBUILT HOUSES AND DON'T WANT TO GET FLOODED AGAIN. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I ALONG WITH SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS AT THE COUNTY'S MEETING AT JAN PLATT LIBRARY. JEFF DeBOSIER WERE THERE. WE HAD A LOT OF ANGRY CONSTITUENTS AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEND THEM OVER TO THEM. THEY HANDLED IT VERY PROFESSIONALLY. THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DISCUSSING THE DETAILS WITH CONSTITUENTS ON IT. BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT CONSTITUENTS HEARD WHEN THEY TALKED TO THE COUNTY PEOPLE WAS THE COUNTY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS ABOUT THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY HAD NOT SHARED THE CITY'S DATA WITH THEM. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THE STATUS OF THAT? ARE WE SHARING THE DATA? IF NOT, WHEN WILL WE SHARE THE DATA? IF THE COUNTY IS DOING THE COUNTYWIDE STUDY AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE TELLING CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS FOR THE CITY, SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? >> THE CITY DID GET A REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT THAT WAS CONDUCTING THESE AND WE'RE SHARING DATA WITH THEM AND VICE VERSA. >> WITH STORMWATER. WE DID SHARE ALL THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY TO THE COUNTY CONSULTANT BLACK & VEATCH. CITY STAFF HAVE ATTENDED THREE OUT OF THE EIGHT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. THE TWO WERE IN DISTRICT NUMBER ONE. MOSTLY COVERED SOUTH TAMPA. AND ONE IN NORTH TAMPA AREA, FOREST HILLS AND UNIVERSITY AREA. WE HAVE SHARED AVAILABLE INFORMATION WITH THEM. AND ALSO, WE HAVE COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING THE FUTURE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH TAMPA -- AND ALSO AT THE POND SYSTEM, REALLY IS A JOINT SYSTEM BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. WE HAVE TO BE IN A COORDINATING PATTERN IN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO IDENTIFY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. THE LAST THING, YOU MENTIONED 46 PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU KNOW THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, A LOT OF TIMES ENGINEERING FIRMS WILL HOLD A CHARRETTE OR PUBLIC MEETING AND SEND OUT A NOTICE. FIVE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP. WE SAY, WELL, WE GAVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE. AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, 30 PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE PROPOSED TONIGHT. AND WE'VE GOTTEN TWO, THREE HUNDRED CALLS OF ANGRY PEOPLE SAYING THEY DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT. AS YOU ALL ARE DOING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A PROFESSIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IDEALLY YOU WOULD WORK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. THAN, THE UMBRELLA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SHOULD BE AWARE AND HELP. BUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CAN HELP GET PEOPLE OUT. WHAT WE NEED IN THE SHORT TERM IS TO ALLAY FEARS THAT THE CITY IS DOING THINGS. THE CITY IS WORKING ON IT, TRYING TO COME UP WITH SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS, SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS. THE OTHER THING IS, WE DON'T WANT AT THE END FOR FOLKS TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME, THAT'S UP TO THEM. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE INVITED AND INVITED TO GIVE INPUT. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN VIERA. THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT BY PUBLIC COMMENT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO BUILD ON WHAT WAS SAID. COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT THE BLACK & VEATCH STUDY. I HAVE HEARD THE SAME THING AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE CITY WORKING WITH THEM. I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS 100% ARE WORKING WITH THEM, ET CETERA. IT'S JUST LIKE THIS STUDY IS SOMETHING THAT THIS REVIEW IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE REALLY, REALLY RELYING A LOT UPON BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM FOR A LONG TIME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A STUDY THAT LOOKS AT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2024. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GIVEN BECAUSE GOD FORBID, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE FINISHED PRETTY FAST. THEY ARE MOVING WITH VIGOR. AND IF ANY PIECE OF INFORMATION IS MISSING, WE'LL HAVE TO OPEN IT BACK UP AND MAKE SURE THEY GET THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF NORTH TAMPA. FOR THEM, THIS IS EVERYTHING. THERE IS A LOT OF MULTIFACETED PARTS ON POST-STORM RECOVERY. THAT INCLUDES FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED. THAT INCLUDES HAVING A LONG-TERM PLAN, ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE THAT NEED IT AND SO FORTH. TWO THINGS. IN TERMS OF THE LONG-TERM PLAN, THE BIG THING WE TALK ABOUT IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA ARE THE PUMPS AND PUMP GENERATORS. THERE ARE AREAS THAT HAVE LONG-TERM, MORE ROBUST INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS. FOR THE NORTH TAMPA AREA, WHETHER IT'S FOREST HILLS, WHETHER IT'S UNIVERSITY AREA, WHETHER IT'S -- DISTRICT, DO YOU FEEL SOME SORT OF LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT OR PROJECT WOULD BE NECESSARY, OR IS THE PROPER EQUIPPING OF THE PUMPS SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME? >> THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND I'M GOING TO PREFACE BY SAYING IT IS A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY FOR US TO GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, WE ARE GOING TO BE USING ANY AND EVERY INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED BY THE STUDY THAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE WITH THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT. AND ALSO, I HAVE TO ALSO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE CANNOT SOLVE FLOODING PROBLEMS FROM HURRICANES. NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT. IT'S VERY HARD, TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. WE CAN HELP WITH IT. WE CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING, WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER BY EXPANDING SYSTEM, HAVING THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, BUT WHEN WE'RE HIT WITH A DISASTER LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR, ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO RECOVER QUICKLY AND GET PEOPLE BACK ON THEIR LIVES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN'T PROMISE TO OVERCOME NATURE AND EVERYTHING. BUT IN TERMS OF A LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSITY, A LARGER PROJECT IN NORTH TAMPA, I KNOW THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT BLACK & VEATCH, THEIR REVIEW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS MULTIFACETED THAT ALSO INCLUDES LONG-TERM FINDINGS IN TERMS OF THE CITY AND COUNTY, THAT INCLUDES IT'S THE, THAT INCLUDES PLANT CITY, NEED TO DO TO PROPERLY INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE CAN HAVE A VERY FRANK DISCUSSION WITH TAXPAYERS. LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN'T PREVENT FOR EVERYTHING, BUT WE SHOULD USE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CAPABILITY TO MITIGATE THE HARM OF HURRICANES, FLOODING AND SO FORTH TO NEIGHBORHOODS. NORTH TAMPA AREA IS UNIQUE. I LIVE IN ZONE X. PROBABLY NOT PROPER TO CALL IT ANYWHERE IS A FLOOD ZONE, BUT ZONE X WHERE THE RISK OF FLOODING IS VERY, VERY MINIMAL, BELOW MINIMAL, I'M GETTING FLOOD INSURANCE FOR THIS YEAR, RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR. I'VE NEVER HAD FLOOD INSURANCE. I'M GETTING IT RIGHT NOW, IN FACT. I'M GETTING IT FOR THIS YEAR. GOOD QUESTIONS. QUESTION, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, I KNOW TO VERIFY THAT NEW TAMPA, A LOT OF THEIR DRAINAGE BASINS ARE FUNDED AND OPERATED BY THEIR CDDs OUT THERE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, I LIVE OUT THERE, PAY FOR, WHICH IS WHY CERTAIN TAXES FOR STORMWATER, 33647 IS NOT PAYING TO BECAUSE WE PAY INTO OUR CDD, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >>LUIS VIERA: JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. I DON'T WANT NEW TAMPA TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO WHAT'S UP. THAT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, SIR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT MADE ME REMEMBER AN ARTICLE I READ FROM 2017. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE ATLANTIC OR THE WASHINGTON POST, AS IRMA. HURRICANE IRMA WAS APPROACHING FLORIDA. IT SAID YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE. TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA AS A WHOLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE A NATURAL HABIT AND IT'S BUILD, BUILD, BUILD. THIS WEEK, MY WIFE TELLS ME THAT ALL I TALK ABOUT IS WORK. LAST NIGHT I TOOK A BREAK AND I SAID WHY DON'T WE GO GET ICE CREAM. WE WENT DOWN TO BAY TO BAY TO AN ICE CREAM SHOP. BUT I TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPECIFICALLY DOWN A FEW STREETS. I SAID LOOK AT ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE -- LOOK AT THESE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES, BUT LOOK AT THE VERY FEW RANCH-STYLE HOMES THERE FROM THE 1950s AND '60s. NEXT TO THEM THEY HAVE THESE MASSIVE HOMES, MASSIVE HOMES. BEAUTIFUL HOMES, BUT I GO, WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? THEY USED TO HAVE FRONT YARDS AND BACKYARDS. NOW IT'S BIG HOUSE NEXT TO BIG HOUSE. IT'S NOT JUST YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE. YOU SAID WE DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO COMBAT THAT. HURRICANE IS A CATASTROPHIC EVENT BUT HOW DO WE RECOVER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S FINE. TECHNOLOGY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. AS WE THINK AS A COUNCIL FOR BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT AND DENSITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS COMING UP TONIGHT, WHAT I SAW LAST NIGHT AND WHAT I SHOWED MY WIFE, IS PEOPLE COMPLAIN, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE -- WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS. YES, PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE AND BUILDING, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING TRANSFORMED. IN THAT, YOU ARE ELIMINATING THE PERVIOUS SURFACE, REPLACING WITH BIG DRIVEWAYS, BIG HOMES, VERY SMALL BACKYARDS. THE WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA, IT'S SURROUNDED BY WATER. WHEN YOU HAVE STORM SURGE, AND WHEN YOU HAVE CATEGORY 5, CATEGORY 4, THE WATER HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO YOU CAN'T BEAT MADAM CHAIR. YOU CAN BUILD HIGH, CHANGE THE ELEVATION, THAT WATER WILL GO AND AFFECT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DIDN'T FLOOD BEFORE. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S COMING TO TAMPA AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE HERE AND THAT DENSITY INCREASES, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT WATER IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE. THAT HURRICANE, WHAT HAPPENED LAST OCTOBER SHOULD BE A LESSON TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT WAS BACK TO BACK. WHAT HAPPENED ON DAVIS ISLANDS, WHICH WAS UNDERWATER COMPLETELY. ONCE THE ROADS WERE OPEN, I WENT THERE TO DRIVE AROUND, AND IT WAS LIKE AN ARMAGEDDON KIND OF SCENARIO. IT WAS CATASTROPHIC. PEOPLE LOOKED LIKE ZOMBIES BECAUSE THEY WERE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THEIR FRONT LAWN. WEST TAMPA ALONG THE RIVER WHERE THE MARTIN LUTHER KING BRIDGE IS AT, HOUSES WERE DEVASTATED. SAME THING. THEIR LIFE IS -- I KNOW IT'S JUST MATERIAL THINGS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYBODY AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY AND AS A CITY COUNCIL, BE MINDFUL OF NEW -- DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD. BUT BE CAREFUL WITH IT BECAUSE LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED. YOU TALK TO THE OLD-TIMERS, YOU TALK TO MY MOTHER WHO HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1961. IT NEVER USED TO FLOOD THERE. THERE ARE ALWAYS THE HOT SPOTS. YEAH, ALWAYS IN FLOODING AS FAR AS I REMEMBER. BUT AREAS THAT NEVER HAD -- IT'S NOT STORM SURGE, BUT IT'S A SUMMER RAIN. JULY, HEAVY RAINS, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE. AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. APPLIED SCIENCES, WHAT CITY ARE YOU ALL OUT OF? >> WE WERE FOUNDED RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, AND WE'RE BASED DOWNTOWN TAMPA SINCE 2005. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC OF STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. STARTING WITH SANDY SANCHEZ, STEPHANIE POYNOR, VALERIE BULLOCK, STEVE MICHELINI, YVONNE FERRELLI, PAM CANNELLA AND FRAN TATE. NO PROBLEM. I WILL DELETE HER. >> GOOD MORNING. STEPHANIE POYNOR. YOU KNOW, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISTRICT NUMBER 47 ON THEIR MAP BECAUSE IT WAS SOG AND NOG ALL LUMPED TOGETHER WHICH WERE NOT THE SAME. IF WE WERE THE SAME, WE WOULD BE IN THE SAME WATER DISTRICT FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. SO I'M WONDERING WHY, SOME OF THE PLACES THAT TOOK THE WORST FLOODING ARE LUMPED INTO ALTOGETHER INSTEAD OF BEING TAKEN AS THE DISTRICTS WHERE THEY WERE FLOODED. AND THE STORMWATER MAP THAT I SEE FOR THE CITY HAS US BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR OR FIVE MAPS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBER 47 IS BROKEN DOWN APPROPRIATELY. BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE ATTENTION, NOT LESS. LET'S SEE, SOG HAS BEEN REPORTING FOR YEARS AND NEVER, EVER MANAGED TO GET STUFF ON THE STORMWATER ADVISORY LIST. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THOSE REPORTS ARE GETTING TO THESE FOLKS. IF THEY DON'T GET THEM, PLEASE REACH OUT. I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THEM, BECAUSE WE REALLY, REALLY NEED THOSE TO BE PUT IN. CARROLL ANN AND I HAVE WORKED FOR YEARS TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY WERE REPORTING FLOODING EVERY TIME IT HAPPENED. YET IT'S NOT ON THE STORMWATER ADVISORY LIST. SURGE, I MEAN, SURGE IS CONNECTED TO RAINWATER. YOU CAN'T GET A SURGE WITHOUT RAINWATER. SORRY. IT DOES HAPPEN. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LOT. I'M SO INTERESTED THAT THESE GUYS ARE OUT HERE FRONT LOADING THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND IT STILL HASN'T GOTTEN HERE. IT INCLUDES WAYS THAT THE CITY CAN WORK ON SOME OF THE FLOODING, TO INCLUDE BUILDING ON PILLARS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND MR. MICHELINI WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OPEN GARAGES. OPEN PARKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. I'M ALL FOR THAT IF WE'RE BUILDING ON PILLARS, BECAUSE IT MEANS MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE AND LESS FLOODING. FILL DIRT IS NOT GOOD. FEMA SAYS IT'S NOT GOOD. THAT COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN ALSO INCLUDES THINGS THAT HOMEOWNERS CAN DO TO HELP WITH THE FLOODING, TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE CITY ACTUALLY GAVE THE DATA TO THEM. WHEN I WENT TO THAT MEETING, I WAS HOT AND HEAVY BECAUSE THEY HAD NO DATA FOR THE CITY. I TALKED TO MR. PHELPS WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CITY, AND HE SAID THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE IT YET. HE ALSO -- THE HEAD OF STORMWATER FOR THE COUNTY ALSO TOLD ME THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE -- THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE LITTLE COLORED SPLOTCHES OUTSIDE -- I HAD THE MAP. I HAVE IT WITH ME. BUT THEY HAD THE LITTLE SPLOTCH AREAS WHERE THEY HAD THE SEVERE FLOODING DURING THE STORMS, BUT THEY SAID THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT. WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE CORRECT DATA? WE HAVE AS MUCH FLOODING, MORE FLOODING THAN THE COUNTY DOES. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. MS. BULLOCK. >> ONCE AGAIN, VALERIE BULLOCK. I THINK WE CAN WORK ON PREVENTIVE MEASUREMENT BECAUSE HURRICANE SEASON IS COMING UP NOW. I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE AND EVERYTHING, AND THIS STUDY HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, AND WE WON'T BE READY UNTIL LIKE '26 OR '27. HURRICANE SEASON IS COMING UP I BELIEVE JUNE START HURRICANE SEASON. HAVE ANYBODY DID PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE? HAVE ANYBODY WENT OUT TO THE DITCHES TO DREDGE THEM? HAVE ANYBODY WENT TO THE PUMPS TO TRY THEM TO SEE IF THE GENERATORS ARE WORKING? SEE IF THE PUMP HAVE HAD MAINTENANCE DONE ON IT? AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. MOST WASTEWATER PLANT AND DRINKING WATER PLANTS, YOU SEE GROUND STORAGE TANKS. THEY CAN HOLD UP TO ONE TO ONE AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. IF WE DON'T HAVE NOWHERE FOR THE STORMWATER TO GO, WHY NOT INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE? WE CAN GET A GROUNDWATER TANK. LET IT GO THERE. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK. MR. MICHELINI. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL WITH A NUMBER OF POINTS. THEY REFER TO ITEM 2, 3, AND 4. BUT I'LL SEPARATE THEM OUT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST FOR ITEM 2 TODAY. >> YES, UNDERSTAND. THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE, THE ISSUES ARE STORM SURGE AS WELL AS FRESHWATER FLOODING. I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSULTANT PREPARED A PLAN FOR DAVIS ISLAND SHOWING BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ENTER THE RIVERS AND BAY. THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. ALSO CONSIDER USING PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS AS TEMPORARY STORAGE RETENTION AREAS DURING SEASONAL STORMS AS WELL AS CONSIDER REDEVELOPING RECREATION AREAS INCLUDING UNDERGROUND RETENTION SO THAT YOU DIVERT THE WATER AWAY FROM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE BUSINESSES AND YOU KEEP IT THERE AT LEAST TEMPORARILY UNTIL IT OVERFLOWS INTO THE SYSTEM. THE ISSUE REGARDING PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND WAS OFF-SITE WATER GOING INTO THOSE AREAS THAT NEEDS TO BE DIVERTED AND AT LEAST SOME ATTENTION TO HOW DOES IT GET TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. IT GOES OVER THE CURBS. IT FLOODED DOWN IN PARKLAND AND WENT FURTHER SOUTH. SO WE TALKED ABOUT PUMPS AND THE NECESSITY FOR PUMPS. GRAVITY SYSTEMS WON'T WORK IN STORM SURGE. THEY SIMPLY DON'T. I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE. I KNOW IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T LIKE, BUT PUMPS AND RETENTION AS WELL AS REDUNDANT PUMP STATIONS WITH POWER AND POWER GENERATORS, WHEN POWER GOES OUT ARE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS. THE BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEM IS NECESSARY AND ALL THE RETROFITTING OF THE SYSTEMS THAT GO INTO THE BAY AND GO INTO THE RIVER SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR STUDY. THIS STORMWATER OUTLETS HAVE GOT TO BE LOOKED AT INCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND THEIR PLANS, INCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE DITCHES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED OVER THE TIME. I'LL RESERVE MY TIME. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI. NEXT IS MS. FERRELLI. DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY? >> YES. YVONNE FERRELLI ON BEHALF OF PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK MS. ARAGE FOR BEING HERE TODAY. APPLIED SCIENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING. SECONDLY, IT DOES CONCERN ME VERY MUCH THAT STORMWATER IS RAIN ONLY AS MR. BHIDE SAID, THAT CAN'T BE. IT IS ALL-ENCOMPASSING PHENOMENON THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SUFFERING FROM. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WATER DOES RUN INTO PARKLAND ESTATES. WE'VE KNOWN THAT FOR SOME TIME. AND YET THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT BACK IN 2024 AS IT WAS DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY, DID NOT ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT WATER COMING FROM PALMA CEIA PINES TO KEEP OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES. THAT PLAN WAS TO ALLOW THAT WATER TO DRAIN INTO PARKLAND ESTATES AND TAKE CARE OF IT WITHIN PARKLAND ESTATES. AND THAT'S WRONG. I WOULD LIKE APPLIED SCIENCE AND THE CITY TO REEVALUATE AND KEEP THAT STORMWATER OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES. I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROJECT TO REMAIN OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES. 10 BY 12 PROPOSED BOX CULVERTS ARE TOO LARGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. CANNELLA IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY MS. TATE. PAM CANNELLA. YES MA'AM. >> I HAVE PICTURES. I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'VE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH AND EVALUATION. IT'S ALL DONE BY WALKING THE STREETS. THE WHOLE AREA, EVEN IN THE RAIN. I'M TOLD THAT THERE'S NO MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT I HEAR TALK TODAY ABOUT ALL THESE CITY PROJECTS AND THEY COST A LOT MORE. I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SURGE. WELL, WATER TRAVELS TO THE LOWEST POINT. SO IF YOUR STORMWATER DRAINS AND DITCHES ARE ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER AND ALL THE PIPES, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO EXCEPT DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO THE HOUSES. BEFORE THAT SURGE, YOU CAN SEE IT COMING UP, THAT DITCH WAS ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER, AND THEIR WHOLE SYSTEM WAS ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER. I'M ALONE TODAY WITH ALL THE PICTURES. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM ALL. THOSE ARE PUMPS. ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY -- EXCUSE ME, LET ME START OVER. THE CITY OF TAMPA'S EXISTING STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS EXTENSIVE, COVERING ALL AREAS OF TAMPA. DUE TO NEGLECT, THE SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED. OUR WHOLE SYSTEM NEEDS CLEANING, FIRST OF ALL. TRUST ME, YOUR NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBORS, ALL THE RESIDENTS WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE THOSE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CREWS OUT THERE CLEANING THEIR DITCHES. ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY FROM PLATT TO WATROUS, HIDING UNDER TREES, BUSHES, TRASH, AND JUNK ARE STORMWATER OPEN DITCHES. CULVERTS, STORM DRAINS. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN SO NEGLECTED FOR SO LONG NOBODY CAN SEE THEM. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURES. HERE IS A STORM DRAIN. YOU CAN SEE THE GRATE JUST BARELY. CULVERT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES, BUT IT'S THERE. ANYWAY THERE'S MORE, PLENTY MORE. ALL THE PICTURES SHOWING THEY ARE HIDDEN UNDERNEATH HERE. I DID DO A STUDY ON THE STORMWATER FLOW DOWN AUDUBON TO SWANN BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE WATER COLLECTS. I HAVE PICTURES OF THAT. HERE IS THE RETENTION POND ON HORATIO. FULL OF DEBRIS. AND THAT ALL GOES INTO THE PIPES. AND THE WATER CANNOT FLOW DOWN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. CANNELLA. YOU CAN SEND THOSE PICTURES TO US LIKE YOU HAVE IN THE PAST BY E-MAIL. WE APPRECIATE IT. GOOD MORNING, MS. TATE. >> YOU WANT ME TO HAND THEM AS THEY ARE? >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THE RECORD, WE WILL ACCEPT THEM AND PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR YOU. IS MS. SANCHEZ RETURNING? IF NOT, MS. TATE WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR ITEM 2. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WANT TO THANK THE STORMWATER CONSULTANT FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION. I JUST ONLY WISH EAST TAMPA CRA COULD RECEIVE CONSULTANT PRESENTATIONS WHEN WE GET DEVELOPMENT OR PROJECTS IN OUR AREA. WE NORMALLY GET THE CITY PRESENTERS, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE JUST THE CONSULTANTS WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR PROJECTS AND OUR REDEVELOPMENT. TO ALL OF YOU, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS TODAY TO THE STORMWATER CONSULTING TEAM. TO MR. BHIDE AND THE MOBILITY TEAM, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE REPAIRS IN THE JACKSON HEIGHTS AREA, ALL UP AND DOWN 34th, ALL UP AND DOWN, JUST ALL OVER, BECAUSE WE TOOK ON WATER AND WE DIDN'T -- I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THEY WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND VERY HARD ON ALL THOSE REPAIRS. THEY EVEN REPAIRED THOSE TWO RAILROAD TRACKS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. TATE, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD? >> SORRY. THEY EVEN REPAIRED THE TWO RAILROAD TRACKS THAT YOU GO ACROSS ON 34th STREET AND SAY, OH, LORD, I HAVE $350 TIRES ON MY CAR, GOING TO BUST ONE GOING OVER THE TRACKS, THEY EVEN SMOOTHED THOSE OUT. MR. BHIDE AND YOUR TEAM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AS THE AWESOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS SITTING RIGHT BEHIND ME ALWAYS SAYS, THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. JACKSON HEIGHTS IS HOLDING ITS BREATH FOR THE NEXT STORM TO SEE HOW WELL ALL OF THE REPAIRS HOLD UP. BUT WE'RE APPRECIATIVE FOR WHAT WAS DONE IN OUR AREA. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU'RE WELCOME. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. MAINTENANCE PERFORMED ON OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM. OUR CONSULTANTS ARE LEAVING. THANK YOU FOR COMING. >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY, HERE FOR ITEM 3. ITEM NUMBER 3 WAS RELATED TO THE UPDATE ON MAINTENANCE. TYPICALLY, THESE WERE PER THE ORIGINAL MOTION PRESENTATION THAT WERE TO BE MADE EARLY IN THE MONTH. THIS WAS PUSHED TO MAY 22. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE WORK DONE IN APRIL, WHAT WE ANTICIPATED DOING IN MAY, AND AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE AT WITH WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO IN MAY AS WELL. THE APRIL REPORT IS ALREADY ON OUR WEBSITE, TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY, IF YOU SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN, PAVING AND STORMWATER REPORTS. AND THEN I WILL SPEAK TO THE BALANCE. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME UPDATES, I'LL SHARE THIS FOR THE RECORD. AGAIN, THIS REPORT IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IN APRIL -- IS THAT STILL VISIBLE? >> YES. >>VIK BHIDE: GREAT. IN APRIL, WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK THAT WAS DONE, OVER 250 CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND YOU SEE ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN TERMS -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN WE GET ONE MORE COPY? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. ABSOLUTELY. IN APRIL, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF WORK DONE BY OUR TEAM. WE ARE WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK, AND THIS IS A LIST OF ALL OF THE CALLS. THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN APRIL TOTALED 185. THIS WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH'S REPORT. WE SAID HERE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE WOULD WORK IN. MacFARLANE PARK, UNIVERSITY SQUARE AND OTHERS. AND THEN THE WORK ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE LISTED HERE AS WELL. SO WE'VE CLEANED OVER 2,000 LINEAR FEET OF DITCHES, GRADED THEM RATHER. ALSO A DITCH GRADING CONTRACT. PRE-CON FOR IT ALREADY AND WE'LL HAVE THE SELECTION FOR IT COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT IS THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT COUNCIL MADE AVAILABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR DITCH GRADING. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THEN WORK ON PONDS, OVER 140 PONDS MOWED. 160 PONDS SPRAYED. THIS IS AN HERBICIDE TO MANAGE VEGETATION, AND WE ALSO USE FISH TO MANAGE VEGETATION IN THE PONDS, ALGAE MAY BE ABLE. CLEANED OVER 37,000 -- ALMOST 38,000 LINEAR FEET OF PIPES. 32 TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED. 428 STRUCTURES, AND 20 OUTFALLS HAVE BEEN INFORMED. -- HAVE BEEN INSPECTED. WE CONTINUE TO DO WORK ON OUR PUMP STATIONS. WE ARE READY. WE HAVE VISITED EVERY PUMP STATION, TESTED THE SYSTEMS OUT THERE, MADE SURE THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEW TEMPORARY GENERATORS THAT WE WILL BE PLACING. 24 HOURS BEFORE A STORM, THOSE GENERATORS ARE CURRENTLY HELD IN SUNBELT'S YARD AND THEY ARE LABELED BY EACH PUMP STATION. THIS IS FOR ALL BUT THE THREE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE GENERATORS. WE HAVE AN ELECTRONIC FIRM ON BOARD, ICON, AND WE'VE GONE, AGAIN, TO EVERY PUMP STATION AND TESTED ALL OF THE ELECTRONICS OUT THERE AS WELL. WE HAVE AN SOP WHERE AFTER THE GENERATOR IS INSTALLED, 24 HOURS BEFORE A STORM, IT WILL BE SWITCHED TO GENERATOR POWER AND POST-STORM, WE HAVE A FUELING PLAN FOR THE SAME AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO LAMB AND ADRI AND THEIR TEAM, THEY HELPED WITH THIS BECAUSE THE GENERATOR CONTRACTS COME THROUGH THEM. THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT ACROSS THE BOARD. THE ELECTRONIC CONSULTANT IS WASTEWATER CONSULTANT, SO WE WERE ABLE TO USE THEIR CONTRACT IN THE INTERIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM DIRECTLY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON, MAY WORK LOCATIONS. I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AS WELL. IT'S IN THE PACKETS AS WELL. WE PLANNED IN APRIL OR AT THE END OF APRIL TO GO TO NORTH BON AIR, NORTH HYDE PARK, BAYSHORE GARDENS AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS LISTED OUT HERE AND TO COMPLETE THE MONTHLY PUMP STATION INSPECTIONS AS WELL. THOSE ARE COMPLETED. CALLS FOR SERVICE, AGAIN, 813-274-3101. THIS REPORT IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY AT THE VERY BOTTOM IF YOU SCROLL DONE. FOR THE WORK I JUST DESCRIBED, SOME BEFORE/AFTER PICTURES. AGAIN, INLET CLEANING BEFORE AND AFTER. UNIVERSITY SQUARE, UNIVERSITY AREA. SAME AREA AGAIN, BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CAVE-IN REPAIRS. WE ALREADY ISSUED AN EMERGENCY AFFIDAVIT TO COMMENCE TO DO ABOUT A HUNDRED OF THESE CAVE-INS. THESE ARE THE LARGER CAVE-INS. WE ALREADY WORKED ON OVER 160 CAVE-INS SINCE OCTOBER, AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT LIST. BY THE END OF JULY, WE'LL BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED, BUT THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF CAVE-IN REPAIRS. THERE ARE SOME GOOD VIDEOS ON THESE AS WELL THAT WERE REPORTED RECENTLY. AGAIN, DURING AND AFTER THE CAVE-IN REPAIR ITSELF. SOME OF THESE CAN BE VERY DEEP. THIS ONE IS NOT AS DEEP, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING. CAN GO AS DEEP AS 12 FEET. INLET TOP REPAIRS, A LOT OF INLETS, IF THE AREA AROUND THEM GETS VERY SATURATED, IT MAY COLLAPSE AFTER MAJOR STORMS, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT CERTAINLY. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF INLET REPAIRS AS WELL. AND THAT'S ALSO IN THE LIST OF THE WORK COMPLETED IN THE REPORT DURING AND AFTER. POND MAINTENANCE, THIS IS 109th AVENUE, FOREST HILLS, AND THESE ARE JUST OUTLET PIPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE POND. SO BEFORE, DURING, CLEARING OUT ALL THE DIRT IN THE AREA AND THEN REPAIRING THE CONCRETE PORTION THERE. AFTER. DITCH GRADING, THIS IS AT SWANN CIRCLE. THIS IS BEFORE. AGAIN, WITH DITCHES, ESTABLISH FLOW LINES, ENSURE THE DEPTH SO THAT CAPACITY, BOTH FLOW AND CAPACITY AND THEN CONSIDER THE EDGES OF THE DITCHES. AND THAT'S AFTER. SO WORK COMPLETED TO DATE IN MAY, THIS IS A LIST OF NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE NOT GONE TO ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE SAID WE WOULD, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FEW DAYS IN THE MONTH LEFT, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF IT. BUT OVER 63 FALLEN TREES REMOVED FROM STORMWATER PONDS AND DITCHES. REPAIRED 205 FEET OF FENCE. WE'VE BEEN INSTALLING NEW CAMERAS AND THEN INSPECTING EXISTING CAMERAS AT THE DIFFERENT PUMP STATIONS. WE SAID WE'D DO THAT SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PUMP STATIONS. OVER 28 TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED FROM PIPES AND INLETS. 200 STRUCTURES INSPECTED AND MAINTAINED. AND ABOUT 18,000 MILES OF PIPE INSPECTED AND MAINTAINED AND THEN SEVEN OUTFALLS AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE DONE MORE DITCH GRADING. 3,000 FEET OF DITCH GRADED. 274 TONS OR 75 ALMOST TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED FROM DITCHES. SO THAT IS A LOT OF MATERIAL AND A LOT OF STREET SWEEPING AND THEN ADDITIONAL DEBRIS COLLECTION FROM THE STREET SWEEPING AS WELL. 20 INLET TOPS REPAIRED JUST TO DATE IN MAY. THIS PRODUCTION WILL INCREASE IN JUNE AND JULY PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE TWO EMERGENCY AFFIDAVITS. SO THE FIRST ONE, AS I MENTIONED WAS REPAIRS. THE OTHER IS A MILLION DOLLARS FOR CLEANING OUT PIPES, JET-LINING PIPES AND INSPECTING THEM, TV INSPECTIONS. GETTING VIDEO EVIDENCE OF OUTFALLS AND PIPES BEING FUNCTIONAL TO THEIR CURRENT CAPACITIES. SO THIS, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE IS A BROAD EFFORT. WE'VE ADDED OVER 2 MILLION, ALMOST $3 MILLION THANKS TO COUNCIL MAKING THE HALF A MILLION AVAILABLE IN RESOURCES. MUCH OF THIS IS RESPONSE RELATED, SO WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE, OF COURSE. BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR REVENUE AND FINANCE TEAM AS WELL, MIKE AND DENNIS HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE. FOR EXAMPLE, AT SOME POINT EARLIER THIS MONTH, WE WERE REACHING THE LIMIT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET WITH STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AND BASICALLY WE WORKED WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE AND ASKED THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FUNDS. SO INITIALLY THEY INSTRUCTED US JUST TO SPEND IT COMPLETELY, SPEND DOWN OUR BUDGET AND MAKE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AVAILABLE AND THEY HAVE DONE SO. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR FOLKS AS WELL TO ADDRESS AS MUCH OF OUR MAINTENANCE AS WE CAN. WE'LL BE READY FOR STORM SEASON AND WE WILL HAVE ADDRESSED A MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES FROM THE PREVIOUS STORMS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION, SO LET'S LET HER GO FIRST. I APOLOGIZE. THEN GUIDO MANISCALCO AND THEN YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT. I'M HOPING -- YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU THE HALF MILLION INITIALLY BUT WE ALSO GAVE YOU 3 MILLION MORE. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE GOING -- I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE PLANNING ON USING THAT MONEY. DO DO YOU HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR TT JUST YET? >>VIK BHIDE: I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF ITEM 4. >>LYNN HURTAK: NEVER MIND. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN. I APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING ON TOPIC BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL DIFFERENT THINGS. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, IT LOOKS LIKE, LOOKING AT THE FIRST SHEET, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE INCREASED, WHICH WE WOULD EXPECT BECAUSE OF ALL THE DAMAGE. HOW IS THAT IMPACTING REGULAR MAINTENANCE? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM STAFF THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE PULLING THEM AWAY FROM REGULAR MAINTENANCE. HOW ARE WE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? >>VIK BHIDE: REALISTICALLY, THERE ISN'T AN IMPACT OTHER THAN MORE INSPECTION AND MORE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO. WHETHER IT IS RESPONSE TO A STORM AND MAINTENANCE RELATED TO THAT OR QUOTE UNQUOTE REGULAR MAINTENANCE, IT'S ALL MAINTENANCE. WE IDENTIFY THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND DO THAT MAINTENANCE, AND COMPREHENSIVELY DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS AVAILABLE AND ALLOWED. NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SPIDER AVAILABLE FOR A WHILE, AND MS. CANNELLA RIGHTLY POINTED OUT THAT SOME OF THE WORK IN THAT PALMIRA DITCH HAS NOT BEEN DONE. THAT WILL BE DONE. I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HER EARLIER THIS MEETING AND IT WILL BE WEEKS AND NOT MONTHS, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS COMMITMENT THAT WE MAKE ON THE MONTHLY BASIS TO COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE TO HIT THAT AS WELL AND ALSO THE PALMIRA DITCH IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT REALLY GOES THROUGH A VERY CONSTRAINED PORTION IN A VERY DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE WILL GET THERE. WE WILL GET THERE BEFORE MAJOR STORMS OR ANY SUCH THING. IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS. I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REPLACE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT NEXT. AS FAR AS THE PUMP STATIONS, I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THAT THE PUMP STATION THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH, LOOKED AT THEM, TESTED THEM, BUT I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALSO GOING TO WANT TO KNOW AND I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR GETTING THOSE GENERATORS OUT AND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SPECIFIC GENERATORS, SPECIFIC PUMPS. BUT WILL YOU BE GOING OUT AND TESTING THAT DURING THE SEASON AS STORMS COME? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. MONTHLY PUMP STATION INSPECTIONS ARE SCHEDULED. THAT WAS ALSO THE UPDATE. IT USED TO BE QUARTERLY. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF WILL THAT WILL HUNKER DOWN AS PART OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTER, ERC 3, THAT ARE DEDICATED TO PUMP STATIONS. IN FY '27 BUDGET, YOU'LL ALSO SEE WE REQUESTED POSITIONS TO BEEF UP OUR PUMP STATION TEAM AND ADD TWO MORE PUMP STATION RELATED EMPLOYEES AND ONE BRIDGE OPERATIONS SPECIALIST. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. THE THING I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS THE APRIL WORK LOCATIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS JUST HAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF WORK IS BEING DONE IN EACH SPACE, AND THAT IS WHERE I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF DISCONNECT. SO I KNOW -- SO WHAT CAN YOU SAY, HOW CAN YOU MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT AREAS YOU'RE WORKING ON IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS? BECAUSE GENERALLY THE NEIGHBORS ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM AREAS ARE. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOUR STAFF DOESN'T. I'M SURE THEY DO. BUT ALSO, JUST HEARING FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE AS YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE SPECIFIC DITCH, NEIGHBORS COULD TELL YOU, HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS DITCH IS ALSO A PROBLEM. SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PLAN AND HOW DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECT WITH YOU DURING THIS TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE GETTING WHAT THEY NEED DONE, DONE DURING THIS TIME? >>VIK BHIDE: SO I THINK THAT IS A FAIR AND A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE PROVIDE, NEEDS TO BE, WE HAVE BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES AND AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF WORK DONE. WHAT WE COULD DO IS IN OUR MONTHLY REPORTS AND I'M SURE BRIAN IS WATCHING THIS, WE COULD ADD TABLES FROM CITY WORKS. CITY WORKS IS OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AND THAT SHOWS WHAT WORK WAS DONE WHERE. IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE ENGAGE, AGAIN, JUST GIVEN THAT GATHERING INFORMATION AND FOLLOWING UP WITH INDIVIDUALS CAN BE TIME-CONSUMING. THE STREAMLINE ALONG WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO CALL INTO OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOLKS, AND THEY HAVE THOSE CALLS LOGGED, AND THEY DO RECONCILE THEM WITH STANDING WORK ORDERS. ALL OF THIS IS IN OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, CITY WORKERS. WHEN THEY GO OUT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OPEN ORDERS IN CITY WORKS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE-ON-ONE ENGAGEMENT WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF GETS A LITTLE BIT HARDER. WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE FOCUSED ON DOING THEIR PORTION OF THE JOB. WE HAVE A TEAM THAT DOES THE INTAKE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A WAY TO SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR MAYBE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND SHARE -- RIGHT NOW, WE JUST HAVE THE LISTS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEONE -- YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON. >>VIK BHIDE: JOSH. >>LYNN HURTAK: JOSH COULD GO OUT AND MAKE SOME CUTE INSTAGRAM Facebook TYPE POSTS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, CALL THIS NUMBER TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT. OR ADD A PHOTO HERE. JUST SOMEONE TO FOLLOW THAT Facebook FEED. SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO REALLY, AGAIN, HELP, AND LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF MY FAVORITE PHOTOS OF THIS IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY SQUARE DEBRIS INLET. I'M GOING TO REITERATE IT BECAUSE I SAW A SOCIAL MEDIA POST FROM CITY OF TAMPA RECENTLY THAT SAID DON'T BLOW YOUR LEAFS AND GRASS CLIPPINGS INTO THE STREET BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE TIME TO SAY THAT YET AGAIN. IT'S SO IMPORTANT. IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO. THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO AS CITIZENS. AS FAR AS THE INLET TOP REPAIR, IS THAT DONE IN-HOUSE? AND BY THAT, CAN YOU TALK SPECIFICALLY, IS IT ONLY THE CLEANING OUT OF THE PIPES AND THE FIXING OF THE WATER -- THE FIXING OF THE CAVE-INS, IS THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE CONTRACTING OUT RIGHT NOW? BODE BEAD CORRECT. RIGHT NOW -- >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT. RIGHT NOW IT IS JET TRUCKS. WE DO HAVE STANDING CONTRACTS AS WELL. WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT ON ITEM 4 ALSO. THAT WAS A MEMO THAT WE SUBMITTED AND DISCUSSED. SO WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT AS PART OF OUR REGULAR MAINTENANCE WE CONTRACT OUT, RIGHT NOW THE EMPHASIS HAS BEEN ON PIPES AND CAVE-INS. ON THE INLET TOPS, WE DO THEM IN-HOUSE. THEY REQUIRE THREE BASIC TYPES OF EQUIPMENT. THE VAC TRUCKS TO CLEAN OUT. THEY NEED LOADERS TO HAUL OUT THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT AS WELL. BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REPAIRING THAT DAMAGE, AND THERE ARE SOME PICTURES ON THE PROCESS, FORMING THE CONCRETE ON THE TOP AND REESTABLISHING THAT. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ALSO CLEAN OUT THE INLET ITSELF OF ANY DEBRIS AND THAT'S WHERE THE VACS COME IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAST PART AND, QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN IT CAME TO THE WORK DONE IN THIS LAST MONTH, THE NUMBERS ARE IMPRESSIVE AND STAGGERING, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE COVERING. IF YOU DID 3200 FEET OF DITCHES, IF YOU GRADED THAT, HOW MUCH OF THE SYSTEM IS THAT? LIKE, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH? WE NEED TO HAVE MORE AMBITIOUS GOALS FOR THIS. I WOULD LOVE THAT TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT. WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING? HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THIS AS A CITY? HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THIS AS PARTS OF A CITY AND SAY, OKAY, WE ARE REALLY CLEANING OUT STUFF EVERY YEAR? SOME OF THIS GOES TO YOUR QUARTERLY STORMWATER UPDATES. WHEN YOU SHOW THE GRAVITY MAINS AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD SEE -- SOME OF THIS I MIGHT TALK TO YOU ABOUT OFF-LINE BECAUSE I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND THINGS I WANT TO ADD, BUT WITH THE STORMWATER GRAVITY MAIN MAP, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS COLOR CODED TO SHOW WHAT WAS INSPECTED, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW, HEY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN INSPECTED RECENTLY AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING, HEY, HAS THAT BEEN DONE? IF WE HAD THAT ON THE WEBSITE, FOLKS COULD JUST IMMEDIATELY GO OR IF THEY CALL INTO THE HOT LINE AND FOLKS COULD DIRECT THEM TO THAT WEBSITE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S ACCOMPLISHED. SO THE MORE WE CAN GET ON TO A MAP OR CLEAR TO SHOW WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE, I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE CITIZENS NOT HAVE TO CALL IN, BUT THEN CALL IN WHEN THERE ARE ACTUAL PROBLEMS. >>VIK BHIDE: JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >>VIK BHIDE: BASICALLY, IF WE ARE CLEANING OUT PIPES, MAP THOSE AND SHOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I'M TAKING A LOT OF TIME AND I WANT TO LET OTHER PEOPLE GO. I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU OFF-LINE ABOUT NEW ADDITIONS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THIS IN THE FUTURE. I DO WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TIME TODAY TO DEFINE WHAT A DITCH IS TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT DITCHES ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A HOMEOWNER, PER SE, AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN A DITCH THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE. I WILL PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT I AM NOT A STORMWATER ENGINEER, SO I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THE ACCURATE DEFINITION IS. I'M SURE THERE IS AN ENGINEERING DEFINITION. THIS IS MAINLY FOR THE ENGINEERS. BUT A DITCH BASICALLY CONVEYS STORMWATER FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER, USUALLY TO A SYSTEM OR AN OUTFALL. AND THEN WHAT GETS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, WHAT DOES NOT GET MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE EARLY IN 2003 WHEN THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WAS FIRST PASSED. PRIOR TO 2003 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WOULD PROBABLY REMEMBER, THERE WAS NO FUNDING FOR STORMWATER. SO THERE WAS NO STORMWATER ENGINEERING TEAM. VERY FEW PEOPLE, ONE TEAM AT THAT TIME. SO THERE WAS A RESOURCE CHALLENGE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. THE SIMPLEST WAY TO ANSWER WHAT DITCHES ARE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY VERSUS NOT IS BASED ON DEPTH AND THE WIDTH. SO THE WAY KEITH GORMAN, OUR SENIOR TECHNICIAN THAT MAINTAINS AND OVERSEES CONTRACTS FOR DITCHES EXPLAINS TO ME, IF AN AVERAGE PERSON CAN WALK ACROSS THAT DITCH, MEANING IF IT'S 18 INCHES DEEP OR IF IT'S NOT VERY -- IF A LAWN MOWER CAN GO THROUGH IT, THEN MOST LIKELY THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, THERE IS AN INVENTORY OF WHAT THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN VERSUS WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN. WE WILL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A WAY, BECAUSE WE WALKED NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE DITCHES HAD, WHILE THEY WERE MAINTAINED BY THE OWNERS, THEY HAD GROWN UP OVER WHERE THEY COULD GET INTO THE PIPES. THEY WERE BLOCKING PIPEAGE. IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY WILL GO THROUGH AND RE-GRADE THOSE, BUT THEN IT RELIES AGAIN ON THE CONSTITUENT. IF YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH YOUR PIPES OR THAT FEED FROM THAT, YOU SHOULD CALL THE HOT LINE NUMBER SO THEY CAN GET YOU ON A PLAN TO RE-GRADE YOUR DITCH. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS CORRECT. YOU CAN EITHER GO THROUGH THE PORTAL OR THE BEST WAY TO REACH US IS 813-274-3101 FOR ALL STORMWATER ISSUES. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. REAL QUICK. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, YOU AND YOUR TEAM. CERTAINLY IN THIS UPDATE, A LOT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. AND IN THE TIMING OF THIS IS PERFECT BECAUSE YESTERDAY I WAS SPEAKING WITH A GROUP AND THE TOPIC OF MAINTENANCE AND DITCHES AND CULVERTS AND EVERYTHING HAD COME UP. AND ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IS HERE. I'M GLAD THIS HAS COME UP. MS. CANNELLA SHOWED PHOTOS, A SPECIFIC AREA, PALMIRA, I THINK. >>VIK BHIDE: I THINK -- I'LL LET MS. CANNELLA SPEAK TO HER PICTURES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REGARDLESS, WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT MAINTAINED SYSTEM WILL FAIL. JUST LIKE A CAR, DON'T CHANGE THE OIL, DO THE MAINTENANCE, THE CAR WILL FALL APART MUCH MORE QUICKLY. YOU SHOWED ME A VARIETY OFICS IFS THROUGHOUT THE -- FIXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SWANN IS ONE THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING CALLS A LONG TIME AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED CALLS. NOT THAT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT BUT YOU HAVE GONE OUT AND FIXED UP. HOPEFULLY AS WE SEE THE SUCCESS OF THE MAINTENANCE DONE, AND THIS IS JUST FROM APRIL. THIS IS JUST THE MOST RECENT, PERHAPS WHEN THE SUMMER RAINS COME, WE'LL SEE THAT THE SYSTEM WORKS BETTER AND PERHAPS WE MAY SEE THAT SHOULD IT BE WORKING BETTER, AS WE MOVE FORWARD OR TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BIG, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS WE REALIZE MAYBE IT'S NOT SO MUCH WE HAVE TO BUILD AND WE HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ON ANY SPECIFIC PROJECTS, MAYBE WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF NEW HOUSES, A LOT OF NEW BUILDING, A LOT OF NEW STUFF, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINING THINGS PROPERLY. AS YOU MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY TO 2003, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT. IN 2016 AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WE INCREASED THE FUNDING TOWARD THAT. AS A COUNCIL WE FURTHER INCREASED THE FUNDING FOR THE MAINTENANCE. SO I THINK IT MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK MAINTENANCE AND THE LACK THEREOF IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. AND HOPEFULLY THE STRIDES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WILL SHOW PROOF THAT ONCE THE RAINS COME, THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AS GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WHEN WE HAVE THESE MASSIVE STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, PERHAPS THE RIGHT WAY AND THE MORE PRUDENT WAY IS JUST TO ATTACK THAT MAINTENANCE AS WE HAVE. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS AND POINTS, BUT WE NEED TO FURTHER INVEST IN THAT MAINTENANCE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE -- HOPEFULLY IT MAKES ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT UNLESS IT IS A MAJOR HURRICANE, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE SUMMER RAINS ARE MORE MANAGEABLE OVERALL. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. FROM YOUR LIST OF NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THE AVERAGE SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENT LOOKED AT IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S LIGHT ON SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO INCLUDE MORE SOUTH TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, MANY THIS WERE HIT. BUT I ALSO OBSERVED THAT I'VE BEEN OUT WHEN CLEANING CREWS HAVE CLEANED IT ITCHES IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND I DON'T SEE THOSE AREAS ON THIS LIST. NOT TO ANSWER NOW, BUT I HAVE A HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE MAYBE WERE SOME DONE RIGHT AFTER THE STORM THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU SO THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T GET A BUNCH OF E-MAILS FROM SOUTH TAMPA SAYING WHY AREN'T YOU DOING OUR AREA, I THINK THERE ARE MANY AREAS THAT WERE DONE THAT MIGHT NOT -- YOU MIGHT NOT BE GETTING CREDIT FOR. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. ALSO, IN COMMUNICATING WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT GENERATORS FOR PUMPS. BUT IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR THE MOST PART, PUMPS ARE NOT THE MAIN ISSUE. THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT MAINTENANCE. IN A COUPLE OF CASES, AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THE PUMP, NOT THE GENERATOR. I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL IN HOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS. PUMP GENERATORS IS AN EASY SOUND BITE, BUT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HIT IN SOUTH TAMPA, MOST OF THEM DON'T SEE THAT AS THE SOLUTION THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE, IF YOU SAY WE'RE GRADING A DITCH, UNTIL A LITTLE WHILE AGO I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT MEANT. I THINK IF WE SAY WE'RE DIGGING THE DITCH OUT OR SOME PLAIN LANGUAGE. WE'RE DIGGING A DITCH SO IT GOES BELOW THE PIPES THAT ARE CONNECTING IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT THE WATER CAN FLOW. I AGREE WITH THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WAS SAYING, THERE'S ALSO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE FILLED IN DITCHES NOT KNOWING THEY SHOULDN'T. WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WELL. I WOULD ASK YOU, DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT ASK YOU TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC, YOUR E-MAIL TEAM DOES A GOOD JOB OF RESPONDING BUT I THINK WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF DESCRIBING HOW WE ARE SETTING PRIORITIES. IN TRIAGE, WHAT ARE WE DOING FIRST? RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS ARBITRARY. IF THERE'S SOME PLAN TO IT, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT. AN EXAMPLE AND DON'T WANT TO GO IN-DEPTH ON THIS, IF YOU ARE TRYING TO AFFECT PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES, SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD BE DOING MAINTENANCE UP BY KENNEDY SOMEWHERE OR FURTHER TO THE NORTH BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT WATERSHEDS AND GRAVITY, THEN HOW DO WE IMPACT THAT? THE SAME WITH OTHERS. IF THERE IS A WAY TO EXPLAIN OUT OF THE THOUSAND PROJECTS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE STARTING WITH THE FIRST HUNDRED BASED ON THIS CRITERIA, THAT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT WHAT MS. CANNELLA SAID ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT, SO I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU SAID 2013 FOR THE NEW TAX, I REMEMBER 2016, WHATEVER IT WAS, AT THAT TIME, THE PUBLIC WAS TOLD THAT SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS WAS SPENT ON MAINTENANCE. WE NOW SEE AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED IN DECADES. I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED THE LEAFS. THERE IS A VIDEO THAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT POSTED THIS MORNING TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT IT'S ILLEGAL TO PUT LEAFS IN THE STREET. THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DOING THAT. ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WE ON CITY COUNCIL DOUBLED THE FINES BUT THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION TO LANDSCAPERS ON IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMENTS, STILL WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE COMMENTING THAT CITY STAFF OR CITY CONTRACTORS ARE BLOWING LEAFS INTO THE STREETS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EDUCATING LANDSCAPERS AND HOMEOWNERS, AND CITY CONTRACTORS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR IS ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE DOUBLED THE FINES, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO IN. I REALIZE IT'S HARD TO CATCH THEM, BUT YOU REALLY SEE IT WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SUDDENLY THE CAR IS COVERED WITH LEAFS BECAUSE SOMEBODY BLEW THEM IN THE STREET. THE OTHER THING IS WASTEWATER. THERE ARE AREAS HIT BY WASTEWATER. ERIC AND HIS TEAM ARE REALLY GOOD ABOUT GOING OUT. I THINK AND I WISH THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF MULTIFUNCTION TASK FORCE BECAUSE OF YOUR POSITION, THERE'S SOME SYNERGY BETWEEN STORMWATER MOBILITY. REALLY, BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED AND THE CLAIMS OF SEWAGE WATER BUBBLING UP OR NOT FLOWING FORWARD OR GRAVITY PUSHING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE'S SYNERGY THERE WITH WASTEWATER, STORMWATER MOBILITY, MAYBE SOME WITH POTABLE WATER, BUT ALSO WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PERMITTING, AND THEN AS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO REBUILD THEIR HOUSES, THERE ARE NEW FEMA RULES. WE WERE EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I THINK GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY AS WE FACE THE STORM TIME, WE NEED TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WE HAVE AN INTEGRATED PLAN AND FOCUSING ON AN INTEGRATED WAY TO PREVENT FLOODING IN THE FUTURE. LASTLY, IF YOU NEED MORE BUDGET, COME TO US QUICKLY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEED IT UP AS WELL BECAUSE WE KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS THIS. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE THING I HEARD ABOUT DITCHES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FOR A LONG TIME IT'S BEEN THAT THE DITCHES, THE WHOLE CITY IS DIVIDED INTO QUARTERS, FOUR QUARTERS. AND WHOEVER HAS THAT CONTRACT HAS TO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DOING THE WORK AND HAVING THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THE WORK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED ANYWHERE. I DON'T THINK IT HAS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY DO THAT AND THEY DON'T GET PAID UNTIL THE FELLA FROM THE CITY FOLLOWS AND SAYS, YES, IT'S BEEN DONE. IF I REMEMBER THE PAYMENT PROCESS, THAT'S HOW IT WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS LIKE THAT ANYMORE. I CAN REMEMBER HOW SENSITIVE IT IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF DRAINAGE ON WOODLAWN AND HABANA, LONG TIME AGO. I GET A CALL IT WAS BACKED UP, RAINING KIND OF HARD BUT NOT THAT HARD WHERE THE WHOLE STREET IS UNDER WATER. I CALL THE CITY, YOU KNOW WHAT WAS INSIDE THE DRAIN? A COVER OF A GARBAGE CAN THAT BLOCKED THE WHOLE SYSTEM FROM OPERATING. HAD A GENTLEMAN GO IN THERE AND BRING IT OUT. I WAS AMAZED SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE COULD CAUSE THAT KIND OF DRAINAGE PROBLEM ANYWHERE. I IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD DO WHEN YOU HAVE A TORRENTIAL RAINFALL OR HURRICANE COME BY, YOU WOULD BE UNDERWATER IN THE WHOLE AREA. JUST THAT ONE COVER FROM ONE GARBAGE CAN DID THAT. SECONDLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN I SEE PICTURES OF THE DRAINS BEFORE AND AFTER, THERE IS AN ORDINANCE YEARS AGO THAT SAYS IF THEY CATCH YOU PUTTING STUFF INTO THE DRAIN, YOU WOULD BE FINED. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FIND ANYBODY BECAUSE WHO WILL PATROL THAT? VERY DIFFICULT. YOU GO, SEE SOMEBODY, BY THE TIME YOU GO, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GONE. NOT THOUGH CHANGE THE SUBJECT MATTER, GOT SO BAD YEARS AGO THAT ON THE CORNER OF LAKE AND GOMEZ AND ON THE CORNER OF SWANN AND HENDERSON BOULEVARD AT DIFFERENT TIMES I SAW TWO TRUCKS ABOUT THE THIRD THE SIZE OF A GASOLINE TRUCK TAKING WATER FROM ONE, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USES TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN CASE THERE IS A HURRICANE. AND THEY WERE GETTING OUR WATER FOR FREE. I STOPPED AND TALKED TO THE GUY UNTIL HE TOLD ME TO GO TO HELL AND HAD TO CALL FOR BACKUP. IT'S JUST THAT'S HOW VIOLENT THEY ARE. THEY WANT SOMETHING, THEY GO GET IT. YOU CAN'T STOP EVERYTHING BUT WE CAN SURE TRY. I WOULD SEE AND RECOMMEND TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE HAS A RIGHT TO CALL SOMEBODY TO GO SEE DROPPING IN THE THINGS INTO THE DITCH. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT SOME OF THE TIME, MAYBE EVEN SOME OF OUR OWN EMPLOYEES ARE DOING IT. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE. THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE THAT COULD BE CHANGED WITH VERY FEW DOLLARS AND GET SOMETHING DONE. BUT DITCHES HAVE GOT TO BE DONE PROPERLY. SOME DITCHES ARE DEEPER THAN OTHERS, AND SOME YOU CAN GO DEEPER WITHOUT HITTING WATER AND SOME YOU CAN'T. THESE ARE THE THINGS I KNOW IF WE IMPROVE ON IT WOULD HELP 25% OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. EVERYONE HAS SAID A LOT OF GOOD REMARKS. I WAS GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THE VERY DETAILED REPORT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS DETAILED REPORT ON THE SMALL THINGS WE'RE DOING. I COULDN'T IMAGINE IF I GOT FLOODED IN 2024 AND LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THE ACUTE SENSE OF PTSD THAT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE IS IMMENSE. THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT BIG THINGS, LITTLE THINGS, EVERY PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT CAN GO TO JUST MAXIMIZING OUR CHANCES FOR A GOOD 2025. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PART OF IT WITH REGARDS TO REGULAR EVERYDAY MAINTENANCE. SO, YEAH, THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MY CONSTITUENTS ARE LOOKING AT. THEY ARE LOOKING AT BIG THINGS, LITTLE THINGS. THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT A GOVERNMENT DOES, MAKING SURE THEY ARE BEING DONE BECAUSE AGAIN AFTER WHAT PEOPLE WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE A REAL COMPELLING INTEREST, OBVIOUSLY, IN THAT. JUST THANK YOU, SIR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT COMING UP NEXT. STARTING WITH MS. POYNOR. THERE YOU ARE. >> I'M GLAD TO SEE -- STEPHANIE POYNOR. I'M GLAD TO SEE PORT TAMPA ON THERE. I'M GLAD TO SEE THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION ON THERE. BAY SIDE WEST. I'M WONDERING ABOUT HOW WE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO BEACH PARK ON THAT WEST SIDE OF WESTSHORE IF WE'RE GOING TO HIT ALL THOSE BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON. I KNOW FOR JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION, THE DITCHES AT INTERBAY AND MANHATTAN DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CLEANED. THEY NEED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW -- THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB DURING THE STORM, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. I'M SORRY. I GOT DISCOMBOBULATED. I HAD TO DO SOME WORK. YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE ARE GOOD PLANS, BUT I STILL AM VERY CONCERNED THAT OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IS PULLED OFF THE ROADS CLEARING DITCHES, DOING THEIR JOB IN THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN FOR PARADES. IN ORDER TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN FOR THE GASPARILLA RUN. THAT'S 28 DAYS A YEAR THAT WE LOSE BECAUSE OF THOSE. AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THE ADMINISTRATION GIVES TWO FLIPS ABOUT THAT BEING INAPPROPRIATE, ABOUT THAT BEING A MISMANAGEMENT OF OUR STORMWATER DOLLARS. WE ONLY HAVE $25 MILLION. YOU GUYS GAVE THEM MORE MONEY, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO EACH ONE OF THOSE DAYS THAT WE MISS HAVING PEOPLE, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, DIGGING DITCHES, MAKING SURE THAT STORM DRAINS ARE CLEANED, ARE THEY ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THAT COST? BECAUSE STORMWATER MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON STORMWATER, NOT ON PARADES. I LIKE PARADES. I LIKE TO WALK IN PARADES. I LIKE TO GO TO PARADES. BUT HONESTLY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT DOING THE JOB THAT THEY DO UNDER THE GUISE OF STORMWATER. WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. YOU GUYS GAVE THEM MORE MONEY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF THE MONEY IS SPENT ON PARADES, DID THEY REALLY NEED IT? I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. AN CHEZ, ARE YOU SKIPPING -- MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU SKIPPING THIS ITEM? YOU'RE NEXT. FOLLOWED BY MS. BULLOCK. THANK YOU. MR. MICHELINI. MS. FERRELLI AND MS. CANNELLA. >> STEVE MICHELINI. FIRST THING, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY INCREASE THE FINES FOR ANYONE THAT BLOWS IN DEBRIS OR DISRUPTS DITCHES TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW. THE MAXIMUM. IT IS UNCALLED FOR AND IT DAMAGES EVERYONE. CONSIDER ESTABLISHING CREWS BY AREA OF THE CITY SO THAT YOU HAVE DEDICATED CREWS WITH DEDICATED EQUIPMENT FOR NORTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, AND SOUTH TAMPA. WITH THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT SO THEY ARE NOT BORROWING ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO GO SHUTTLING AROUND TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR THE RETENTION PONDS AND DITCHES? I WANT TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS IS THE POND AT HORATIO AND ARMENIA, THE ONE THAT OVERFLOWED AND FLOODED DOWN INTO PARKLAND. THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SAME POND. I TOOK THESE PICTURES LAST WEEK. THIS IS THE HYDE PARK POND. AND YOU CAN SEE THE ALGAE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE TRASH AND DEBRIS THAT FLOWS INTO THERE FROM THE STREET. THE RAINWATER FLOWS AND IT TAKES THE DEBRIS INTO THE POND. AND THIS IS THE POND THAT THEY JUST CLEANED OUT. THIS IS OVER ON BRISTOL AND ALBANY. SO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WHEN THEY MAINTAIN A POND, IT SHOULD FUNCTION CORRECTLY. I TURNED THIS IN TWICE ON THE CITY SYSTEM. THIS IS 2602 SUNSET. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY EITHER CAME OUT AND THEY PUT CONES AND NEW BARRICADES, BUT HADN'T BEEN FIXED. THEY FIXED THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY DIDN'T FIX THIS ONE. ANYWAY. WHAT ARE THE SCHEDULES FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PUMP STATIONS? HOW MANY MAINTENANCE CREWS ARE THERE OPERATING WITH THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT? HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT IS DEDICATED SOLELY TO STORMWATER AS OPPOSED TO BORROWING IT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS? AND UNTIL WE GET CONTROL OVER THE MAINTENANCE, WE CANNOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM ENTIRELY, BUT IT WOULD HELP IF WE STARTED WITH MAINTENANCE AND GOT SOME OF THESE UNDER CONTROL. AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ESTABLISHING THE MAXIMUM FINES ALLOWED BY LAW. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE. >> YVONNE FERRELLI, ON BEHALF OF THE PARKLAND ESTATES STISK CLUB. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ADVOCATING TO FIND IMMEDIATE FLOODING SOLUTIONS QUICKLY ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT PARKLAND ESTATES. I APPRECIATE THAT. SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MOBILITY FOR INCREASING SOME OUTLETS IN OUR PARKLAND ESTATES AREA, INCLUDING FOUNTAIN PARK. I'M HOPING THAT THAT WILL GIVE US SOME SUMMERTIME RELIEF. HOWEVER, I WILL SAY MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE. IT IS KEY. IT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE. THE NEGLIGENCE OF THE MAINTENANCE IN THE PAST, AND IT IS THE QUESTION OF HOW IT WILL MAINTAIN ITSELF OR BE MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE. I CANNOT ASK ENOUGH ABOUT HOW IF ANY PROJECTS GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, HOW WILL THEY MAINTAIN THEM? WHAT IS THE FUNDING? WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES IF IT'S NOT MAINTAINED PROPERLY? I WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU'RE WELCOME. MS. CANNELLA AND THEN MS. TATE. NO PROBLEM. MS. TATE. >> THANK YOU, PRO TEM HENDERSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PIGGY BACK ON WHAT MR. MICHELINI SUGGESTED. DOUBLE FINES, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU CATCH THOSE THAT ARE DOING IT? POLICE ARE NOT GOING TO PATROL THE STREETS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE BLOWING LEAFS INTO THE STORMWATER DRAINS. MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE YOU GUYS AND TPD ISSUE A SECURITY CAR TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT. SOME CITIES HAVE THAT WHERE THE CRIME WATCH GROUP HAS A LITTLE CAR, AND IT JUST RIDES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, NOT CONFRONTING ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG, BUT JUST COLLECTING PICTURES AND MAKING REPORTS. AND THAT WOULD STOP THAT. OR YOU COULD SEND OUT A MASS FLYER OR DO A COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WRONG AND ILLEGAL TO BLOW LEAFS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY BLOWS LEAFS. PERSONALLY, I LIKE TO RAKE THEM UP BECAUSE THAT GIVES ME GREAT EXERCISE. AT 65, I NEED TO STRETCH, LOOSEN UP MY JOINTS, MY MUSCLES, LIGAMENTS TENDONS. MY YARDMAN, HE TAKES MY BLOWER AND BLOWS THE LEAFS EVERYWHERE. IF WE COULD DO A COMMERCIAL, SEND OUT A FLYER WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS, ALERTING THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T DO. BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ILLEGAL. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. TATE. MS. CANNELLA WILL CLOSE OUT. >> I'M ONLY GOING TO PUT ONE PICTURE. AND THAT IS THE PALMIRA DITCH. I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF SOUTH TAMPA. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THAT GENTLEMAN OVER THERE. WE ARE NOT READY FOR THIS RAINY AND HURRICANE SEASON. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND I'VE LOOKED. WE ARE NOT READY. STORMWATER IS WAY, WAY BEHIND ON CLEANING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. DUE TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE OF THEM IS THERE'S NO MANPOWER. OUR CITY IS DIVIDED INTO ZONES, THREE ZONES. THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT WORKERS IN OUR SOUTH TAMPA ZONE, WHICH IS FROM KENNEDY TO THE BASE, FROM WESTSHORE TO BAYSHORE. AND I HEAR NORTH TAMPA HAS EVEN LESS WORKERS. THESE EIGHT WORKERS HAVE BEEN PULLED TO DO SPECIAL EVENTS AND ROD AND SIDEWALK CAVE-INS BEFORE ANY OF THE DITCHES, PONDS, ANY OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS TO BE CLEANED. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD. BECAUSE WHEN I CALLED IN JANUARY, I WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE I WANTED THE PALMIRA DITCH ON THE SCHEDULE. AND I WAS TOLD DON'T WORRY, IT WILL BE HERE BY THE SEASON. I SAID OKAY. I'M STILL WAITING. THERE ARE TWO CONTRACTED HELP CREWS. AND THEY WERE JUST RECENTLY HIRED, JUST RECENTLY. LAST WEEK, KIMMINS STARTED WORKING AND FLOW TECH AS OF MONDAY HAS NOT WORKED. THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE. SO THE CREWS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN JANUARY ARE NOT THERE. STORMWATER EQUIPMENT, I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU. IT'S GIVING ME A HEADACHE. IT'S OLD AND IT'S CONSTANTLY BREAKING DOWN AND IT'S NEVER AVAILABLE THE DAY THAT THE DITCH OR POND OR WHATEVER IS SCHEDULED TO BE DONE. THEY ARE ALWAYS BROKEN. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. YES, THERE'S ONLY ONE SPIDER EXCAVATOR FOR ALL OF TAMPA. HOW STRANGE IS THAT? THERE ARE FIVE VACUUM TRUCKS, BUT THREE OF THEM ARE BROKEN. I JUST FOUND THAT OUT LAST WEEK. SO THERE'S TWO LEFT THAT ARE TO BE SHARED FOR ALL OF TAMPA. ALL OF TAMPA. ALL THE ZONES. MR. BRIAN ROGERS SAID THEY ARE RENTING EQUIPMENT. BUT NO DETAILS WERE GIVEN TO ME ON HOW MANY OR WHEN THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE. MAYBE NEXT YEAR. I KNOW THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO GET STORMWATER SYSTEM CLEANED. AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THERE IS NOTHING -- NOTHING IS GETTING DONE BECAUSE OF LACK OF MANPOWER, EQUIPMENT, AND PROPER MANAGEMENT. RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED AND FRUSTRATED. I KNOW I AM. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT CALLING MOBILITY, YOU ARE PUT ON A LIST, GIVEN A NUMBER AND NOT SEEN FOR YEARS AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE IT. THEY ARE TIRED ABOUT IT, COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BECAUSE NOTHING IS GETTING DONE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE BUDGET FOR THE HIGH-COST PROJECTS COME FROM, SUCH AS THE RIVERWALK AND THE BUILDING THEY JUST BUILT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR STORMWATER. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. CANNELLA, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YOU'RE JUST PASSIONATE. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM UNDER MOBILITY, AND THAT IS TO REPORT ON THE DETAILED PERSONNEL, THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. SURE, SHE CAN SET IT UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY WE ACTUALLY HEARD, IN FACT, JUST HEARD FROM MS. CANNELLA TO TALK ABOUT THIS. THIS IS WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT. DURING THIS IF YOU COULD, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE IN PUBLIC COMMENT TALK ABOUT THE ZONES. MS. CANNELLA TOLD US, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD REITERATE. SO THANK YOU. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BECAUSE WE DID -- I DID SUBMIT A MEMO AND WE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THIS ON MAY 1st. SO I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I WILL TOUCH UPON THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING MS. CANNELLA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. WE NEED MORE EQUIPMENT. WE NEED MORE CONTRACTS. WE NEED MORE RESOURCES. THE WAY WE KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE GIVEN A BUDGET EVERY YEAR, AND WE SPEND THAT BUDGET. SO WHAT SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING BEYOND THAT, IF IT'S NOT ADEQUATE, IT'S BECAUSE WE NEED MORE RESOURCES. SO THE WAY TO GET THOSE RESOURCES, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO START WORKING ON A BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. I WILL ADMIT, THANKS TO YOU AND THE MOTION YOU MADE FOR MONTHLY REPORTS, THAT HAS GIVEN US REALLY GOOD INFORMATION, BECAUSE OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS REALLY DOCUMENTING WHAT WORK IS BEING ALLOCATED WHERE. THERE'S NOT A LOT MORE INTELLIGENCE TO IT THAT WE COULD WORK ON GETTING MORE ANALYTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE BUSINESS PLAN WE'RE WORKING ON IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MUCH MORE EQUIPMENT, WHAT IS THE STATE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN FOR DIFFERENT SERVICE LEVELS, ULTIMATELY WHAT SERVICE LEVELS ARE NEEDED. RIGHT NOW, OUR SERVICE LEVEL IS BASED OFF OF STATE AND DEP REGULATIONS. AND IF WE NEED TO IMPROVE UPON THOSE SERVICES LEVELS AND THE STATE IS LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL, THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THOSE FREQUENCIES TO HALF. IF THAT HAPPENS, THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION THAT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET AS A POLICY BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT EVERY SINGLE JURISDICTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT IS BEING WORKED ON. SO WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS A BUSINESS PLAN BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR TO BRING TO COUNCIL SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW FOR WHAT SERVICE LEVEL, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT, PERSONNEL AND CONTRACTS AND RESOURCES ARE NEEDED. AND THEN BASED OFF OF THAT, IT WOULD BE A COLLABORATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THOSE RESOURCES. ONE POTENTIAL AVENUE WOULD BE TO FURTHER INCREASE THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT. OF COURSE, THERE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CALCULUS AROUND THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE EVEN, BUT WE'LL BE READY SHOULD THAT BE THE PATHWAY, BECAUSE THAT BEGINS, THE SHOT CLOCK ON THAT BEGINS EARLY IN THE CALENDAR YEAR IF THAT HAD TO BE INITIATED. I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES ON THIS, BECAUSE OUR VEHICLE INVENTORY WAS SENT BASED ON A REQUEST MADE BY THE FINANCIAL ANALYST. SO I HAVEN'T MADE MORE COPIES. AND THERE ARE SOME MINOR ERRORS. TWO OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, THE COST SHOWS 20 MILLION, BUT IT'S 200,000. THAT'S WHY I DID NOT MAKE COPIES. I'LL JUST GO OVER WHAT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHAT OUR TEAM SAYS WE NEED RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO VALIDATE IT WITH THE BUSINESS PLAN AND MEASURE AGAINST BEST PRACTICES SO THAT NEXT YEAR, ONCE OUR ENGINEERING TEAM IS READY WITH PRIORITY PROJECTS, OUR OPERATIONS WILL ALSO BE READY WITH PRIORITIES RELATIVE TO RESOURCES. SO GENERALLY -- WE HAVE 76 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT TOTAL WITH AN AVERAGE LIFE OF ABOUT TEN YEARS. TEN YEARS IS PRETTY LONG. I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT SIX YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS AT THE MOST. THIS AVERAGE LIFE IS, AGAIN, IT'S AVERAGE. SOME EQUIPMENT IS MUCH OLDER. OTHERS ARE NOT AS OLD. BUT IT'S A MUCH HIGHER AVERAGE LIFE THAN OUR OTHER UTILITY DEPARTMENTS. THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF RESOURCES. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IN GENERAL, WE HAVE OLDER EQUIPMENT THAN WATER AND WASTEWATER. CURRENTLY, WE LEASE SWEEPERS AND WE WILL BE LEASING VAC TRUCKS. THE REASON LEASING VAC TRUCKS AGAIN, MS. CANNELLA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE VAC TRUCKS. THREE OF THEM HAVE LOW AVAILABILITY. LET ME JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. SO AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TRUCKS AS WE NEED. THIS YEAR IN WORKING WITH FLEET, WE DID LOOK AT DO WE PURCHASE THEM OR LEASE THEM? OUR TEAM OPTED FOR LEASING AFTER RUNNING THE NUMBERS. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SAVING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE AVAILABILITY IS IMPORTANT. IT COMES WITH A CONTRACT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. WE SHOULD TAKE POSSESSION OF THESE VAC TRUCKS IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS I WANT TO SAY THIS CALENDAR YEAR. LEAD TIMES FOR ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS REALLY LONG. WHETHER WE PURCHASE IT OR LEASE IT, IT'S THE SAME. ONCE WE HAVE THREE VAC TRUCKS, THOSE THREE VAC TRUCKS WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE. IF ONE GOES DOWN BY AGREEMENT, WE'LL GET A REPLACEMENT IMMEDIATELY. AND THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE, WITH EVEN THE EXISTING TEAM. THE TEAM TELLS ME OUR PROCUREMENT OR REPLACEMENT PRIORITIES FOR VEHICLES ARE AS FOLLOWS: TV TRUCK, WE HAVE ONE TV TRUCK RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THE TV PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHY WE INCLUDED TV INSPECTIONS AS PART OF FLOW TECH'S CONTRACT WITH THE EMERGENCY AFFIDAVIT. THE EXCAVATOR, THE WHEELED ARTICULATING, SO THAT IS THE SPIDER BASICALLY. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. IT'S NOT MADE IN THE U.S. YET, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEAD TIME ON IT IS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COST OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS ABOUT -- SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND ALL TOLD. TWO FLAT BED TRUCKS, AND THEN MULTIPLE GRADING BUCKETS FOR EXISTING BACKHOES. THIS YEAR, COUNCIL DID APPROVE A COUPLE OF BACKHOES, SO WE HAVE ALREADY ADDED. IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE BOUGHT TEN NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE STORMWATER TEAM. WITHIN MOBILITY OPERATIONS, TRANSPORTATION USED TO HAVE EVEN OLDER EQUIPMENT. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION MORE WITH THE EMPHASIS ON PAVING. WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE POSSESSION OF A NEW PAVER. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE REPLACED A LOT MORE EQUIPMENT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, WHICH IS MUCH, MUCH OLDER. EVEN OLDER THAN STORMWATER. THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN STORMWATER LOOKED GREAT NEXT TO TRANSPORTATION IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT. WHEN YOU COMPARE US APPLES TO APPLES WITH ANY OF THE OTHER UTILITY DEPARTMENTS, WE FALL SHORT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS MUCH, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO EITHER TAKE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND THEN I HAVE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE INVENTORY, BUT WE SHARED THE ENTIRE INVENTORY. THIS IS A LITTLE HARDER TO READ BUT THIS IS WHERE THE ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS 200,000. THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE SEVEN COPIES OF THIS BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE INFORMATION. BUT THIS IS FOR ALL OF THE ZONES. SO WE'VE GOT CITYWIDE IN THREE ZONES, AND WE DO HAVE SEPARATE EQUIPMENT FOR SEPARATE ZONES AND THE CITY SHARES SOME OF IT AS WELL. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I THINK THIS ONE HAS $20 MILLION ITEM AS WELL AS 200,000. IN BOTH CASES, THEY ARE BACKHOES. THOSE ARE NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT 2024. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK. GIVE US A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT YOU FEEL IS NEEDED WITH THE APPROXIMATE COST OF EACH ITEM AND HOW MUCH AGGREGATE IS THE TOTAL OF IT. ALSO, DO YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYMENT NOW TO HANDLE MORE TRUCKS? DO YOU HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO HANDLE MORE VEHICLES IF YOU WERE TO GET THEM? >>VIK BHIDE: THESE ARE ALL REPLACEMENT VEHICLES. SO, YES, WE DO HAVE THE PERSONNEL SHOULD WE REPLACE THESE VEHICLES. WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF, ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, AND ADDITIONAL CONTRACTS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. ANYTHING ABOVE THE GRADE NOW, YOU NEED MORE PERSONNEL TO HANDLE THE UPSWING. >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF NOT, NO NEED BUYING BECAUSE COULDN'T USE THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT YOU NEED IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE. >>VIK BHIDE: WE'LL KNOW THAT BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR JUST IN TIME FOR THIS BODY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOWEVER, THAT COMES WITH THE CAVEAT THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, DOES THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU CAN BUY, IS IT READILY AVAILABLE TO BUY? >>VIK BHIDE: MUCH OF THE EQUIPMENT HAS A LEAD TIME OF ABOUT FOUR TO EIGHT MONTHS. IT JUST DEPENDS. JOHN DEERE MAY HAVE IT AVAILABLE OR CATERPILLAR MAY HAVE IT AVAILABLE BUT ON AVERAGE -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US ALL THAT INFORMATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD MY MIKE ON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HE HAD HIS ON FOR A WHILE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS MY ITEM. GENERALLY WE GO TO THE PERSON WHOSE ITEM IT IS FIRST. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S TRUE. THIS IS FINE. NO PROBLEM. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DID WANT TO ASK, THANK YOU FOR THIS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT THREE SECTIONS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT NEED TO EXPAND TO AT LEAST FOUR. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? >>VIK BHIDE: NOT YET. WE HAVE NOT. BUT WHEN WE DEVELOP THE BUSINESS PLAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT IS, IF WE HAVE TO SUPPORT EXPANDED OPERATIONS FOR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE, HOW DO WE ORGANIZE OURSELVES. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. THE SAME, I'LL ECHO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S INTEREST IN FTEs. IN MY ESTIMATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THESE SPIDERS, TV TRUCKS, WHATEVER, PER SECTION SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS ONE SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BORROW. BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS PLAN AND THE IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE THIS 2026 BUDGET SEASON. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT A COUPLE OF FTEs, BUT REALLY, WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? WHAT TYPES OF -- IF WE'RE JUST LEASING THEM, WE STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT YOU NEED, WHAT KIND OF FTEs YOU'LL NEED, EVEN FOR THE YEAR OR TWO. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T START GETTING THAT, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WE WANT TO SEE THAT. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE DEPTH AND TIME THAT GOES INTO A BUSINESS PLAN, I THINK THAT FOLKS CAN SEE THAT WE NEED PEOPLE. THEY CAN SEE THAT WE NEED EQUIPMENT. AND THE BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE NEED FOR EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL. SO IF WE WERE TO GET A JUMP START ON SOME OF THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL MESS WITH THE IDEA OF A BUSINESS PLAN. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE. THE EQUIPMENT LISTED HERE IS A GOOD STARTING POINT. WE'LL ADD TO THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THEN I HAVE A MOTION AT THE END OF THIS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THAT. COULD YOU CONFIRM -- I'M GOING ON RECOLLECTION, BUT COULD YOU CONFIRM WHEN THE STORMWATER TAX WAS FIRST PASSED AND THEN IT WAS INCREASED I THINK AROUND 2016, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHAT THE YEARS WERE? >>VIK BHIDE: 2003 AND FY '16. LATE 2015. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A BUSINESS PLAN NOW. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A BUSINESS PLAN IN 2016 OR 2002? HAS ANYBODY EVER DONE A PLAN BEFORE? >>VIK BHIDE: I'M NOT AWARE. I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD ASK, MAYBE MS. KOPESKY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A MOTION, I WOULD ASK SOMEBODY, MAYBE MS. KOPESKY TO GO BACK TO 2002, MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE TO SHOW US I GUESS THAT IT WAS ZERO AND 2002 WHAT THE STORMWATER TAX WAS ALL THOSE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAN PROVIDE BIG BUCKETS ON WHAT IT WAS USED FOR, BUT WE HAVE SINCE 2016 IN PARTICULAR, THAT ONE WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL. I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTED AT A MINIMUM THAT BIG BUCKETS WOULD BE SPENT ON MAINTENANCE. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING JUST TO SEE THAT. SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR THAT? >> SURE. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A MOTION TO ASK MS. KOPESKY TO TALK TO WORK WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO JUST DO A TIMELINE OF THE STORMWATER REVENUES AND BIG BUCKETS OF EXPENDITURES SINCE 2001 JUST SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEN MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE IT TO US AS A WRITTEN REPORT WE WERE IT'S READY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ADDRESS THE MOTION BEFORE YOU GO ON. >>VIK BHIDE: MAY I REQUEST A MODIFICATION? ALSO INCLUDE REVENUE AND FINANCE BECAUSE THAT -- >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY. INCLUDE REVENUE AND FINANCE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT SECOND WAS BY HURTAK. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. AND THEN I WONDER, I ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER THE IDEA OF A MULTI-DEPARTMENT TASK FORCE THAT WOULD LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS IN AN INTEGRATED WAY. PEOPLE ARE REBUILDING THEIR HOUSES, IF THEY ARE NOT BUILDING THEM UP TO FEMA STANDARDS, WE'LL END UP HAVING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THINGS LIKE PROVIDING $400,000 GRANTS TO PEOPLE CAN RAISE THEIR HOUSES EIGHT FEET. I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE, IF YOU LOOK AT OVER THE LONG RUN, THERE MIGHT BE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE COULD DO BESIDES THE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BIG PROJECTS TAKE YEARS TO IMPLEMENT. I KNOW, MR. BHIDE, YOU'RE LEAVING SOON. IS THERE ANY FINAL ADVICE YOU HAVE ON THIS OR ANY INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS PLANNING IN THIS REGARD? IF YOU WERE SITTING WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT? >>VIK BHIDE: I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. FIRST AND OBVIOUS ONE IS RESOURCES. SO BOTH ON MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS CAPITAL, WE NEED MORE RESOURCES. I KNOW WE'RE DISCUSSING MAINTENANCE, AND MAINTENANCE IS CRITICAL. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IF WE LOOK AT AN INVENTORY OF OUR ASSETS AND THAT INVENTORY HAS JUST BEEN SHARED WITH MS. KOPESKY, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE LEGACY INFRASTRUCTURE. WHY IT MATTERS, IT'S NOT JUST AGE. 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO, INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED FOR DIFFERENT STORM CONDITIONS AND DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEVELOPMENT. AND IF THAT UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE, IF THE SKELETON, FULL, OR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM OF THE BODY IS WEAK TO BEGIN WITH, WHAT YOU EAT OR THAT NOURISHMENT ALONE IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH IF THAT'S MAINTENANCE. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE THE BONES OF THE SYSTEM. THAT IS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, TAKES LONGER. COSTS MORE. BUT IT IS NECESSARY. WE ONLY SERIOUSLY STARTED INVESTING IN CAPITAL ASSETS SINCE FY '16, 2015, WHEN THAT IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE, AND WE SEE THAT THOSE PROJECTS HAVE YIELDED BENEFITS. SO WE NEED THAT. ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE SOLUTION TO MODERNIZE. OTHERWISE WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY THAT DOES NOT FIT TODAY'S CONTEXT AND WE'RE PUTTING BAND-AIDS ON IT. WE NEED MORE MAINTENANCE. NO DOUBT. OUR TEAM WORKS SIX DAYS A WEEK RIGHT NOW. THEY WORK VERY HARD. WE SPENT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET. WE GET AUDITED AND LET US GET AUDITED. THAT'S WONDERFUL. BUT CLEARLY, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. YOU'RE HEARING THAT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO THERE HAS TO BE A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT? IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IF WE REALLY LOOK AT THE RESOURCES NEEDED, SIMILAR TO PAVING, DO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER NUMBERS. BUT THERE'S NOT ANY EASIER PATH FORWARD GIVEN THE HEADWINDS THAT WE FACE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND INVESTMENT IS THE REAL ANSWER IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. BHIDE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT THE PERSONNEL. THE SIX DAYS A WEEK IS THAT A STAGGERED WORKFORCE OR ARE THEY BEING PAID OVER TIME? >>VIK BHIDE: WE'RE USING OVERTIME, AND WE START WITH VOLUNTARY, BUT DEPENDING ON THE JOBS AT TIMES WE HAVE TO INSIST THAT TEAMS COME IN TO DO WHAT OUR ROLES ARE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THIS CONSIDERED A HIGH PRIORITY, PERIOD, FOR INSISTING? >>VIK BHIDE: THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY AS LEAST THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO. SO LONG AS IT IS NOT RAINING, WE'LL KEEP WORKING THROUGH THIS. WE ALSO ADDED A THIRD SHIFT FOR STORM RESPONSES. WE USED TO HAVE TWO SHIFTS. NOW WE HAVE A THIRD SHIFT PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HAVE AFTERNOON STORMS AND WE NEED PEOPLE AFTER THAT. WE CAN'T USE OVERTIME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE BEST UTILIZATION OF RESOURCES. I PERSONALLY HAVE SAT DOWN WITH BRIAN AND JT, WHO IS OUR STORMWATER CHIEF, AND THE ENTIRE STORMWATER TEAM, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE PRIORITIES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REAL CHALLENGES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. REAL CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE AROUND RESOURCES. I THINK THE TEAM UNDERSTANDS THE MISSION. THEY NEED HELP. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. BASED ON THE OVER-TIME, THE FTE SHORTAGE WOULD BE WHAT IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL? HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WOULD NEED RIGHT NOW -- >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF CHALLENGES. ONE IS TURNOVER. FOR WHATEVER REASON, NEW PEOPLE THAT COME IN MAY OR MAY NOT STAY AS LONG. SHARING FACTS AS THEY ARE. AND THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS FOR PEOPLE AS WELL. THAT'S ONE PART OF IT. OVERALL, WE DO NEED MORE PERSONNEL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BASIC JOB FUNCTION FOR STORMWATER STAFF IN THIS REGARD FOR MAINTENANCE? >>VIK BHIDE: WE HAVE LEVELS OF TECHNICIANS. IT BEGINS AT TECH 1. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DOES THAT REQUIRE? THAT IS THE ONLY ONE I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, GET ONE ON BOARD. >>VIK BHIDE: RIGHT NOW ALL IT REQUIRES IS A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. THE REASON IS THERE USED TO BE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE PAST. WE REMOVED THOSE REQUIREMENTS. MY INSTRUCTION TO THE TEAM WAS LET'S HIRE BASICALLY DISPOSITION ATTITUDE AND WILLINGNESS TO DO THE JOB, AND WE WILL TRAIN THEM ONCE THEY COME ON BOARD. THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TRAINING IN ADVANCE. JUST HIRE FOR THE RIGHT TYPE OF ATTITUDE AND TRAIN THEM ONCE THEY ARE ON. WE HAVE THIS CHALLENGE WITH CDLs AS WELL, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH HR AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, RISK AND ALL, AROUND THAT ALSO. BECAUSE THAT CDL REQUIREMENT, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME MEANT WE GOT A LOT OF TRUCK DRIVERS WANTING TO WORK BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE OTHER WORK AS WELL. SO IT WAS HARD TO KEEP THEM ON. AGAIN, IF WE COULD GET RID OF THE REQUIREMENT, HIRE THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THE WORK AND WE'LL TRAIN THEM. IT WILL BE A HIGHER COST IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT REPLACING AN EMPLOYEE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF OUR BUSINESS IN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE IS ROLLING A TRUCK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MUCH DOES THIS AMAZING JOB PAY AT A LEVEL ONE? >>VIK BHIDE: SO SINCE MAYOR CASTOR INCREASED SALARIES AND SHE CAME IN, OUR PAYS ARE PRETTY COMPETITIVE. THEY ARE NOT FOR A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND MINIMAL EXPERIENCE, IT'S ABOUT 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND A YEAR. BUT THAT'S JUST STARTING. AND IT COMES WITH BENEFITS AS WELL. AND THEN IT SCALES UP FROM THERE. WE HAVE TECH 3s RIGHT NOW THAT MAKE SIX FIGURES BECAUSE THEY HAVE EARNED IT. THAT'S HOW OUR SYSTEM IS DESIGNED. IF YOU WORK LONGER, YOU ACCRUE THOSE COST-OF-LIVING INCREASES AS YOU SHOULD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION, ARE WE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING THE NEED FOR TEXT? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. WE ARE ALWAYS HIRING. THANKFULLY OUR CURRENT VACANCY RATE FOR STORMWATER OPERATIONS ISN'T VERY HIGH. WE'VE HIRED ON A FEW FOLKS. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT ONLY A FEW VACANCIES RIGHT NOW, BUT THE TURNOVER IS THE BIGGER CHALLENGE FOR US. AND THIS IS INDUSTRYWIDE. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU REMINDED ME WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CDL. I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S PART OF WHY WE ARE USING OUR STORMWATER TO DO PARADE SETUP. SO COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO BE ABLE TO CONTRACT THOSE FOLKS OUT. I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THE '26 BUDGET BECAUSE WE'LL WILLINGLY IF YOU DID THAT SO THAT OUR STORMWATER PEOPLE CAN BE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE DRY SEASON. >>VIK BHIDE: COMPLETELY AGREE. THAT IS BEING WORKED WITH TPD AND THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT THROUGH THE FY '26 BUDGET CYCLE. IT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOPS AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC COSTS. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE NEED FOR SECURITY, VALID NEED FOR SECURITY THROUGH SOME OF THESE EVENTS HAS INCREASED. SO THIS IS A VERY TIMELY DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD. EXCELLENT. I HAVE A MOTION. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT MOBILITY STAFF HAS DONE TO PRESENT THIS AS OTHER MEMBERS HAVE SAID. THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW. I KNOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED. BUT PEOPLE ARE REALLY WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE. I DO APPRECIATE THE AGREEMENT FOR LEVEL OF DETAIL. FOLKS ARE REALLY SCARED RIGHT NOW. THE FIRST RAINFALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE GOT PEOPLE VERY UPSET CALLING US REALLY WORRIED. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING THOSE SAME PHONE CALLS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO GO ON FOREVER BUT FOR A WHILE LONGER, THESE MONTHLY REPORTS HELP CONNECT US AND THE PEOPLE TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I GET A LOT OF THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT HERE AND FOR THE WORK OF YOUR TEAM. BUT TO RESPECT STAFF'S TIME, I WOULD LIKE MS. KOPESKY, CITY BUDGET ANALYST TO CREATE SCHEDULES REFLECTING THE EQUIPMENT IN SERVICE USED TO SUPPORT STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED AGE FOR EACH ASSET AND A SUMMARY OF STORMWATER MAINTENANCE EXPENSES BY VENDOR FOR 2024 AND 2025 YEAR TO DATE. MY MOTION IS THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST TO COMPLETE THESE SCHEDULES REFERENCED ABOVE AND BE AVAILABLE TO VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE DATA AND TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE MOTION ON JULY 31st 2025. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THERE DISCUSSION? >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS I WORKED WITH MS. KOPESKY ON. SO SHE IS AWARE OF IT. WE DO HAVE -- WE ARE LIMITED -- ACTUALLY, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN REQUEST THIS AS A STAFF REPORT ON JULY 31st. I CAN WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN IF THERE ARE MORE REPORTS, WE CAN REPORT IT OUT AT ANOTHER MEETING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M FINE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT A WRITTEN REPORT? >>LYNN HURTAK: I CHANGED IT TO WRITTEN BECAUSE OF THAT. I WILL PUT THAT ON THERE. AGAIN, I'LL WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY AND STAFF SO IF WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS AREA, STARTING WITH MS. CANNELLA. OR MS. BULLOCK. I APOLOGIZE. >> BEAR WITH ME, I HAVE PICTURES. >> I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MY NAME. >> YOU HAVE TO STATE IT FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA. I SENT A LETTER OF CONCERN TO THE DEP ABOUT THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE IN OUR RETENTION PONDS AND STORM DRAINS CONTAINING POLLUTANTS. NOW, YOU GOT THE ANSWER THAT I GOT FROM THE CITY TO THEM. I WANT TO START AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS NO ASPHALT RELATED DAMAGE OR DEBRIS WAS OBSERVED WITHIN THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THERE IT IS. THIS IS ALL ASPHALT. NOT TO MENTION THAT YELLOW STRIP OF PLASTIC THAT IS LEFT THERE. PLEASE PUT THE SECOND ONE. THIS IS A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, AND THERE IS THE SAME DRAIN, AND THIS IS ALL IN HYDE PARK, AND WE HAVE MORE ASPHALT. THE OTHER ASPHALT THAT YOU SAW ON THE CURB IS INSIDE THE WATER DRAIN WITH A LITTLE PLASTIC YELLOW THERE THAT YOU COULD SEE. SO THERE IS MY PROOF. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY LOOKED AT, BUT THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN WHAT I SAW. LET'S GO WITH NUMBER TWO. I SENT IT TO THE CITY. THEY LOOKED IN IT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. LET ME READ IT TO YOU. THE CITY OF TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT STORMWATER OPERATION STAFF INVESTIGATED THE AREA OF CONCERN AND AFTER A THOROUGH FIELD ASSESSMENT, NO ISSUES WERE OBSERVED ON-SITE. IT'S RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING STORMWATER INVENTORY WAS INSPECTED WITH STAFF FINDING DETAILS BELOW. SO THE STORM DRAINS, THE CATCH BASINS, IT'S ALL THERE. LET'S SHOW THE PICTURE. HERE IS SWANN POND AND HERE IS ALL THE GARBAGE. THE TRASH. YOU CAN SEE THE WATER IS GREEN. HASN'T BEEN CLEANED. I PUT IN A REQUEST, I GOT A NUMBER. I ASKED FOR SOMEBODY TO CALL ME. TWO WEEKS LATER I'M STILL WAITING. PLEASE PUT THE SECOND ONE. THERE IS MORE OF THE SWANN POND. IT'S A MESS. STILL HASN'T BEEN CLEANED. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT TODAY BECAUSE I WALKED IT. PLEASE GO ON. AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE. THIS IS THE ONE ON AUDUBON, HORATIO, AND ARMENIA. THAT BIG POND OUT THERE. LOOK AT ALL THE TRASH. BUT THEY TELL ME THERE'S NO TRASH. AND ALL THAT TRASH GOES IN THE DRAIN AND I WALKED IT. THAT DRAIN OVER THERE IN THE CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE LEVEL AND YOU HAVE PICTURES TO PROVE IT, THAT ONE LITTLE BIT OF RAIN AND IT ALL FILLED UP AND ALL THAT GARBAGE WENT INTO THE DRAINS. IT ALL FLOODED ON HORATIO AND ALL COMES DOWN AUDUBON. IT'S ALL FLOODED. THEY ALL HAVE TRASH IN THEM AND WHATEVER. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CLEANED EVEN THOUGH THE CITY MOBILITY SAYS IT HAS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'M TIRED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. MS. BULLOCK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE. >> HI. VALERIE BULLOCK. I WAS SITTING BACK THERE BRAINSTORMING. I GOT A GOOD IDEA FOR EAST TAMPA. WE ALREADY HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM. THOSE GUYS, THEY DRIVE THOSE BIG TRUCKS, SO THEY ALREADY KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, CDL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT MAYBE WE CAN HIRE THEM FOR STORMWATER AND THEN WE CAN JUST REPLACE OUR GUYS FROM EAST TAMPA. AND IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA THAT'S LOOKING FOR JOBS. SO IF WE DON'T DO THAT, MAYBE WE CAN DO A TRAINING PROGRAM WITH STORMWATER BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE DOING LAWN SERVICE, BUT YOU STEP IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND LEARN HOW TO DRIVE THE FORKLIFT, BACKHOE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU PASSING? WHAT ABOUT YOU, MS. POYNOR? YOU'RE ON THIS ITEM AS WELL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. AND MR. MICHELINI, YOU'RE NEXT. AFTER MS. POYNOR. AND THEN MS. FERRELLI. >> GOOD MORNING. STEPHANIE POYNOR. GOOD MORNING. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ALREADY, HASN'T IT? I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LISTINGS FOR STORMWATER ON THE PAGE. WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, OH, WE'RE ADVERTISING ALL THE TIME. BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK UP CITY OF TAMPA JOBS, IS THERE ANYTHING FOR STORMWATER ON HERE? I'M LOOKING AND SAYING, MMM, MAYBE NOT. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T SEE IT. I ALWAYS WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE UNDER SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SEEING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS THIS MAP BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY PRETTY INTERESTING TO MOST OF YOU. LOOK, THEY MADE THE MAP -- THEY LABELED IT JUST FOR ME. ANYWAY. THANK YOU CCTV PEOPLE. WHEN I MET WITH THE GUYS, BLACK & VEATCH, WHATEVER THEIR NAME IS, THEY TOLD ME THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THIS FOR THE CITY. WHAT IS THE TECHNOLOGY? AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US WHERE EVERYBODY IS AT. I'M REALLY KIND OF CONCERNED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON HERE AND MR. BHIDE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHOW IT TO YOU. I DON'T SEE THAT IT SAYS STORMWATER TECH OR ROAD TECH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE LIST. I JUST STARTED LOG IT UP WHEN YOU CALLED MY NAME. OH, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THESE PEOPLE IN HERE TO GO TO WORK AND THEN THERE'S NO ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THEM. GO FIGURE. DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I WOULD THINK, ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE TELLING ME YOUR UNDERSTAFFED BUT YET SPENDING 28 DAYS OF THE YEAR DOING SOMETHING BESIDES STORMWATER. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO REPRIORITIZE WHERE OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IS WORKING. MR. BHIDE CAME IN HERE AND SAID THAT WE PULLED 11 PEOPLE OFF THE STORMWATER FUND, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPAY THE STORMWATER FUND. WE ONLY GET 25 MILLION A YEAR. SO IF YOU TAKE ONE, TWO MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT PRICES. I DON'T REMEMBER FROM THE BUDGET MEETING, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET MEETING LAST WEEK, MR. BHIDE AND YOU DID A GREAT JOB TALKING TO US ABOUT STORMWATER, BUT I STILL HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH PULLING THEM OFF STORMWATER FOR -- THAT IS A WHOLE MONTH THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOBS. I WOULD ALSO OFFER, IS THAT MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS? IF YOU ARE BEING PAID FOR BY MY TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING PAID FOR STORMWATER AND YOU'RE DOING PARADE WORK, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? I DON'T KNOW. I JUST WORK HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. MICHELINI. THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR. >> STEVE MICHELINI. IT'S CLEAR THAT THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF FOR ACTUAL FIELD WORK AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT. IF YOU HAVE ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BREAK DOWN AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN THE CITY, THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THAT POINT. WE NEED TO PROVIDE ENOUGH FIELD EMPLOYEES, NOT SUPERVISORS AND PLANNERS. AND THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT IT WAS A DISPROPORTIONAL NUMBER OF PLANNERS IN AN ADMIN STAFF VERSUS ACTUAL FIELD WORKERS. I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING MS. KOPESKY TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. GETTING THE JOB DONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHETHER MAINTENANCE OR INSTALLATION. VIK HAS TOLD YOU, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TOLD YOU, I'VE SAID IT TO YOU. YOU CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE AND DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. PROVIDE THE FIELD EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT, WHETHER YOU HAVE TO LEASE IT AND WE'RE GOING INTO A STORMWATER -- YOU KNOW, A PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S COMING UP. WE CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON NORTH TAMPA. SOUTH TAMPA IS THE ONE THAT HAD MOST OF THE FLOODING, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS SOME IN NORTH TAMPA TOO. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO IT. WE'LL GET TO IT NEXT. THE NEXT DOESN'T CUT IT. PALMA CEIA PINES, PARKLAND. YOU HAD NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO, EXCEPT YOU'LL HAVE TO COMMIT THE FUNDS TO DO IT. $25 MILLION THAT'S SITTING THERE IN THE STORMWATER BUDGET NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED CORRECTLY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ALLOCATIONS ARE, BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON FIELD WORK, EQUIPMENT, AND GETTING THE JOB DONE IN THE FIELD. MS. CANNELLA POINTED OUT THE MAINTENANCE. I SHOWED YOU THE SAME PICTURES OF THE SWANN POND, AGAIN, LOOK AFTER THOSE FINES, CREATE A TIP LINE. YOU HAVE IT FOR OTHER THINGS. WHY NOT CREATE A TIP LINE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DUMPING TRASH AND DEBRIS INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM? TAKE A PICTURE. IT'S SIMPLE. YOU SEE THEM DOING IT, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO CONFRONT THEM, BUT TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR LICENSE PLATE OR THE TRUCK OR WHATEVER THEY ARE USING AND TURN THEM IN. YOU NEED TO AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER THIS. EVERYONE IS IN DANGER WHEN YOU DESTROY THAT SYSTEM. I APPRECIATE IT. WHEN YOU HAVE THE BUSINESSES, YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTS ALL SAYING THE SAME THING, TAKE IT -- AND I THINK IT'S VALID. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI. MS. FERRELLI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY. SO WE ARE CLOSING OUT MOBILITY'S REPORT. LET ME HIT MY LITTLE BUTTON HERE. YES MA'AM. I'M SORRY, MS. TATE. I WILL ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN SPEAK. YOU DID NOT. I KNOW FOR THAT ONE, BUT YOU WANT IT SPEAK? >> JUST A MINUTE. MR. BHIDE LEFT BUT $1,666.67 -- FRAN TATE, JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WATCH PRESIDENT. PRO TEM CHAIR, CHAIR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I JUST WANTED MR. BHIDE -- HE'S GONE -- HE HAS A TURNOVER RATE WITH TECH ONE POSITION, $16,666.67 -- $1,666.67 BIWEEKLY. PROBABLY WHY HE HAS A TURNOVER RATE. HOW CAN YOU LIVE ON ONE THOUSAND, THAT'S BEFORE TAXES. SALARY INCREASE IS NEEDED DEPENDING ON WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING, SALARY INCREASES NEEDED. I'LL TELL MR. BHIDE, CAN I REPEAT MYSELF? I HAVE THREE MINUTES. $1,666.66 BIWEEKLY BEFORE TAXES FOR TECH ONE. MR. BHIDE, THAT COULD ALSO BE A PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE A TURNOVER RATE WITH YOUR TECH ONE EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE STAFF TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A CITY FUND. THIS IS MR. CARLSON. YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF OR SAY SOMETHING? MR. BRODY IS HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: SET IT UP. I APOLOGIZE, MR. BRODY AND I WERE PLAYING PHONE TAG YESTERDAY. THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE BOUGHT PROPERTY NOT KNOWING THAT THERE MIGHT BE GRAVES ON THERE AND THEN SUDDENLY THERE IS A SUSPICION THAT THERE ARE GRAVES. THERE ARE TWO COSTS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE. ONE IS TO SEARCH, USE THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO SEARCH. THE SECOND THING IS IF GRAVES ARE FOUND, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY? IDEALLY THE CITY WOULD HAVE A FUND TO EITHER RELOCATE THE GRAVES OR TO PROTECT THEM AND BUY THAT PROPERTY. EXAMPLES RECENTLY, A JEWISH ORGANIZATION WAS LOOKING TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS SUSPECTED TO HAVE GRAVES ON IT. A RESTAURANT OWNER HAD A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY WORTH A LOT OF MONEY THAT HAD GRAVES ON IT. THAT PARTICULAR OWNER DECIDED I THINK TO DONATE THE LAND BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF LAND. SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN SBP WAS BEING BUILT, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE FORT BROOKE GRAVE WAS UNDERNEATH THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY, AND SBP PAID A LOT OF MONEY, WORKED WITH THE SEMINOLE TRIBE TO MOVE SOME OF THE GRAVES BUT PRESUMABLY STILL GRAVES UNDERNEATH THE EXPRESSWAY THERE. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE -- WHAT ROLE CAN THE CITY PLAY? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR. NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO GIVE UP THEIR LAND. IS THERE A ROLE THE CITY CAN PLAY TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THAT? ESPECIALLY FOR THE SMALLER NONPROFITS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS, ET CETERA? >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. BRODY. >>CARL BRODY: KARL BROADY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. IF I CAN BACK UP GO OVER, FOR THE RECORD, THE BACKGROUND ON ALL THIS. THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. WE CANNOT REQUIRE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW US ON-SITE THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE TODAY. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP MOVE THIS ALONG. ONE I TALKED TO MOST OF YOU SEVERAL TIMES IS A BILL UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT WOULD HAVE AUTHORIZED THE STATE TO GO ON-SITE IN THESE KIND OF SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S BELIEVED TO BE A BURIAL SITE. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE STATE TO GO ON AND HAVE AN EASEMENT TO DO A SEARCH TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS ACCURATE OR NOT, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THERE OR NOT. I THINK I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOU POSSIBLY DOING WHAT WE CAN TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD. WE ALSO HAVE A LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT ALLOWS NEXT OF KIN TO GO ON-SITE. THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT RIGHT IF THERE IS A KNOWN CEMETERY. THE RUB HERE IS YOU HAVE TO KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY. GENERALLY THIS IS APPLIED TO WHERE THERE IS A LANDOWNER WHO IS NOT MAINTAINING THE CEMETERY ABOVEGROUND. YOU KNOW THE CEMETERY IS THERE. HE'S NOT MAINTAINING IT AND STATE LAW GIVES RIGHT GO ON, REQUESTING HE MAINTAINS THE CEMETERY, IF NOT ALLOWS HIM TO GO AND DO THE MAINTENANCE ON THEIR OWN. THIS SCENARIO, WE HAVE TO BRIDGE THE GAP TO SHOW WE KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY IN PLACE AND THIS WOULD BE A LEGAL PROCESS THAT COULD BE UNDERTAKEN BY A THIRD PARTY ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS INTERESTED IN THE LOST CEMETERIES. THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE. SPECIFICALLY REGARDING FUNDING, THE KEY PRIMARY ISSUE WE'LL LOOK AT, IS THERE A PUBLIC PURPOSE? IF WE SHOW THERE IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THEN CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE AUTHORITY ON THAT END IN TERMS OF INCORPORATING THAT IN THAT COST. WE HAVE TO SHOW THERE IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE. ONCE WE DO THAT, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT. WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT SPECIFIC OUTCOMES ARE WE LOOKING FOR? I THINK IT'S KIND OF CLEAR WE WANT TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION IF THERE ARE LOST GRAVES, WHERE THEY MIGHT BE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL PROVIDE -- HOW WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CHOOSING A VENDOR TO PROVIDE THAT GPR SERVICE, ASSUMING THAT IS THE NEXT STEP. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, COMPARE THE COST AND IF WE WANT TO PUT A CAP ON HOW MUCH CITY COUNCIL IS WILLING TO SPEND ON A PROGRAM LIKE THIS OVERALL. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME FACTORS THAT COME TO PLAY. WE DO KNOW THAT IF WE PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATIONS, THE ORGANIZATIONS COME BEFORE US WITH THAT INTEREST, THAT'S NOT GOING TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS CONCERN BECAUSE THE REAL ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHETHER THE PRIOR PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO AGREE TO ALLOW THAT ACCESS. THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GPR OPTIONS, THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE CREATED IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. I THINK THAT KIND OF SPELLS OUT WHERE WE ARE NOW. PASS IT TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. I MET WITH FLORIDA RISING YESTERDAY AND I SPOKE TO THEIR GROUP. I SPOKE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP THIS MORNING. I'VE SPOKEN TO I GUESS THE PRESIDENT OR ONE OF THE LEAD ORGANIZERS WITH THE CEMETERY SOCIETY. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NEWS STORIES REGARDING A PARCEL NEXT TO WOODLAWN CEMETERY, WHICH WOODLAWN IS THE CITY OF TAMPA CEMETERY. ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I WAS AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS JUST GETTING AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON, AND ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP WAS ZION CEMETERY. IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WILLING TO -- I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I KNOW. WILLING TO DONATE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A LAND SWAP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. AS I SPOKE WITH FOLKS AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS HERE FROM FLORIDA RISING, WHAT AM I WORKING ON? ONE OF THE THINGS WAS IN REGARDS TO THE CEMETERIES. I TOUCHED UPON IT FOR A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY, BUT MY GOAL IS ONE OF TWO, TO MAKE ZION CEMETERY WHOLE AND THAT THE CITY -- THAT WE COME TO A COMPLETION WITH IT. ROBLES PARK IN GENERAL HAS THAT BIG MASTER PLAN. BUT MY GOAL IS TO FIGURE OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY IS AT REGARDING THE LAND SWAP OR THE DEAL OR WHATEVER THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE TO FIX AND FINISH ZION AND RESTORE IT TO WHAT IT WAS. NUMBER TWO, IN REGARDS TO THE PARCEL ADJACENT TO WOODLAWN, AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING DISCUSSED FOR YEARS ON AND OFF, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD, AS I SPOKE TO SOMEONE WITH THE CEMETERY SOCIETY, SHE ATTACHED -- E-MAIL TO EVERYBODY. I BELIEVE IT WAS USF REGARDING -- OFF MEMORY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MAPS FROM A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, POTTERS FIELD IS RIGHT THERE. DRIVE DOWN BOULEVARD AND THEN WOODLAWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, IT IS A WIDE OPEN AREA. THAT IS APPARENTLY POTTERS FIELD. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PARCEL ADJACENT THAT HAS BEEN LISTED FOR SALE INCLUDES THAT. THIS IS WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FURTHER EVIDENCE, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE THAT WAS CONNECTED TO THE ROSEWOOD STORY. WHEN IT COMES TO BLACK HISTORY, YOU MAY HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BURIED THERE UNMARKED THAT ARE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S IMPORTANT. I'LL FINISH BY SAYING I REACHED OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION. THEY DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE POSSIBLY PURCHASING THIS PARCEL. SINCE WE HAVE TO BE IN THE SUNSHINE, AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET SEASON, PERHAPS LOOKING AT ADDING THAT TO THE BUDGET. A NUMBER HAS BEEN THROWN OUT FOR WHAT WAS PUBLICLY LISTED FOR THIS PARCEL OFF BOULEVARD NEXT TO WOODLAWN. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE APPETITE IN MOVING FORWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER IN JUST ACQUIRING THAT. BECAUSE PER WHAT WAS SAID FROM THE INDIVIDUAL I BELIEVE FROM USF SAYING THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF, AND THE ORIGINAL MAP SHOWED THAT THAT SECTION MAY HAVE, IF IT WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN BURIALS, WHATEVER IT IS, JUST SO WE CAN PUT THIS TO REST. THE CITY HAS A TERRIBLE REPUTATION WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING CEMETERIES, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS SEVERAL YEARS. MOST RECENTLY WITH MEMORIAL. I MEAN, THAT WAS ON MLK. THAT WAS A DEBACLE. BUT WE'VE WORKED THAT OUT AND NOW IT'S BEING RESTORED AND GIVEN THE RESPECT THAT IT SHOULD BE. I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS THE BUDGET COMES UP WE CAN SEE ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY, REACHING OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE BEGIN. BUT THOSE ARE TWO OF MY GOALS. FIXING AND FINISHING ZION AND THEN FIGURING OUT WHAT WE DO WITH THE PARCEL NEXT TO WOODLAWN AND PUTTING IT TO REST. I THINK AS SO MUCH BLACK HISTORY HAS BEEN ERASED -- I MENTIONED IT YESTERDAY. I CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOREVER. EVEN MY WIFE STUDIES IT. WE NEED TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE NO PLAN. THAT'S RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS OF LAND MAY BE UNDER THIS. THAT IS THE SECOND ONE. THE THIRD ONE IS, IT'S CHEAPER TO PASS AND PAY THE MONEY TO GO OVER AND SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE THAN TO BUY THE LAND. THAT'S NUMBER THREE. FOURTH OF ALL -- ANYTHING SAID, BUT I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TAXPAYERS WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUYING, IS IT A CEMETERY OR IS IT NOT A CEMETERY? YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE THINGS ONE STEP AT A TIME. I DON'T THINK THAT I'M GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF LAND IF I WAS OUT BUYING A LOT NOW THAT I KNOW POSSIBLY HAS -- IF I REMEMBER GOING BACK TO THE ASSOCIATION -- I WON'T MENTION ANY NAMES TO AVOID LAWSUITS -- THAT WAS BOUGHT CLEARLY FOR THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION TO BE BURIED THERE. IF I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID IN BUSINESS. BIG IN SHOW BUSINESS, BIG IN AREAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THAT LAND. I THINK THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO REALIZE BEFORE WE START THINKING ABOUT BUYING ANYTHING, IS THERE THAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT THERE? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. WHO PAYS FOR IT? THAT'S NUMBER TWO. WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THEY DO. BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS IT'S THEIR LAND. SO WHOEVER OWNS THAT LAND I THINK HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING THE GRID ON IT TO SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE. THIS IS NEW. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THERE IS NO PLAN FOR THAT I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS HAD UP TO THIS TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHAT'S REALLY THERE BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO TALK THIS WAY. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TEN NEW CEMETERIES COME UP AND NOW HAVE TO BUY TEN CEMETERIES THAT I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE, TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL TAXPAYERS. WE CAN ADDRESS THE PROBLEM ONCE WE FIND OUT WHAT'S THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE. ONLY HEARD GOSSIP, THIS, AND THAT, AND THE OTHER. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. WE DON'T OWN IT. IT IS THE SAME THING WE'VE DONE WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE. IF I SOLD IT -- I DID IT BUT THEY ARE BLAMING YOU. THESE ARE THE THINGS GOING IN THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE I CAST A VOTE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. FIRST OF ALL, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, I WISH THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS AT ALL. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE CITY, NOT BY OUR CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE THE STATE REQUIRES A TRUST FUND TO MAINTAIN THE CEMETERIES BUT NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN FUND ONE YEAR. THE CITY IS IN A SITUATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT IS A SAFETY NET FOR CEMETERIES. IF SOMEBODY -- IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR ABUNDANCE A CEMETERY AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRUST FUND, IF WE DON'T TAKE IT OVER IT WILL END UP LIKE THESE LOST CEMETERIES EVENTUALLY. I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION NOT BECAUSE WE THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS, BUT BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T REGULATE IT IN THE WAY THEY SHOULD. THEY SHOULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE TEN YEARS OF MAINTENANCE IN IT AND MAYBE IN SOME KIND OF FUND THAT WOULD BE RENEWABLE. SO I WISH THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER BUT THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO IT AND WE SHOULD. TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S POINT, IF HE MAKES A MOTION TO SUGGEST PUTTING A BUDGET OR AN AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET TO POTENTIALLY BUY THAT ONE PROPERTY, I WOULD SECOND IT AND SUPPORT IT. THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING IN THIS MOTION IS IF -- THINK ABOUT WHEN THESE CEMETERIES WERE BUILT ON, MANY OF THEM WERE 80 OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. NOW SEVERAL OWNERS SINCE THEN. THE NEW OWNERS, IF NOBODY DISCLOSES IT, THEY HAVE NO IDEA IT IS THERE. THE NEW OWNERS BUY IT, NONPROFIT, FOR PROFIT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS NOT KNOWING THERE ARE CEMETERIES ON THERE. BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE LAW, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ALLOW US TO COME ON. SO THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS IF WE CAN'T JUST GO ON THERE AND LOOK FOR GRAVES AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT, AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, WE CAN PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE. I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE LIKE A $500,000 FUND TO FUND GROUND PENETRATING RADAR FOR PLACES WE SUSPECT. AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO ALLOW US TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW THE COST, BUT $50,000 TO SEARCH THAT, IF A SMALL NONPROFIT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, WE CAN SAY WE'LL PAY FOR IT AND DO THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR. THE ISSUE IS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE FIND SOMETHING? DO WE TRY TO RELOCATE THEM OR SAY WE'LL BUY THE SPACE, 10% OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, DOES THE CITY COME IN AND BUY IT AND MAYBE DO IT ONE BY ONE? I SUGGEST WE SET UP SOME SORT OF FUND FOR THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR SO WE CAN OFFER THAT AS AN INCENTIVE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO DO IT TOP TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S OTHER POINT ON PROTECTION, ALMOST WEEKLY, TWICE A WEEK I GET PICTURES AND TEXTS AND E-MAILS ABOUT PEOPLE SLEEPING IN GRAVES WHERE THE ROCKS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF OR HEAD STONES CRUSHED, AND THIS IS THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY AND DISRESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO BETTER PROTECT THE CEMETERIES THERE. >>CARL BRODY: WE DO HAVE RULES IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CEMETERIES, AND WE DO HAVE THE FOLKS FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS WHO GO OUT AND CHECK AND IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, THEY CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED. WHAT YOU RUN INTO SOMETIMES IS THERE ARE FINE LINES. THERE ARE CITY CEMETERIES RIGHT NEXT TO PRIVATE CEMETERIES. A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MIGHT WALK BY AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND NOT REALIZE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A PRIVATE CEMETERY WHERE THIS ACTIVITY IS OCCURRING WHERE SOMEBODY IS SLEEPING ON HEAD TONES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE DO ENFORCE OUR CEMETERY ORDINANCE AND SEND PEOPLE OUT TO PROTECT IT. I THINK IT HAPPENED VERY RECENTLY WHERE WE WERE AWARE OF IT. I KNOW THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE AND TAKING STEPS TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR THAT THE CEMETERIES HAVE TO BE PROTECTED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON MENTIONED IF I MADE A MOTION ABOUT LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE CEMETERY, BEFORE I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION, MR. SHELBY, STOP ME IF I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG, BUT COULD I MAKE A MOTION REQUESTING THAT THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT OR THE ADMINISTRATION, WHOEVER IT IS, REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PARCEL THAT'S ADJACENT TO WOODLAWN, THIS IS THE ONE IN QUESTION, WITHOUT SAYING NAMES. IT'S OUT THERE. AND JUST SEE THE COST, SEE ABOUT -- NOT SAY BUDGET THE MONEY AND BUY IT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL COST. SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY CONTACT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED ON COUNCIL. THESE ARE THE CONCERNS. WHERE DO WE BEGIN FROM THERE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON HAS NOT HEARD FROM THE CITY OR HAS A BUYER. BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT'S LISTED, NOT LISTED, BACK LISTED, THEY PUT THE LISTING UP AGAIN. JUST TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND DIALOGUE, BUT TO SHOW THAT PERSON THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED OR IS ASKING QUESTIONS IN SOME CAPACITY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE A SECOND. BUT DID YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, WANT TO RESPOND TO -- NO, YOU, SIR, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. TO MR. MANISCALCO'S QUESTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO DO THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISHED TO ADD, MR. BRODY? >>CARL BRODY: I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE BEST NEXT STEPS ARE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I'M NOT A LAWYER. I'M NOT TRAINED FOR THIS, BUT TO BE A LAWYER AND SPEAK, BUT I'M NOT AGAINST THE THING. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS CAN GET RESOLVED WITHOUT THE CITY BUYING IT. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE AN OFFER TO SOMEBODY IF HE OR SHE HAS AN OFFER ALREADY. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BIDDING WAR WITH SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I JUST WANT TO PROTECT ALL AREAS OF THE CITY, INCLUDING THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY AND THIS ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY ALL AT ONCE. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS, BUT I KNOW I DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING. SO MY SUGGESTION IS, BEFORE WE FIND OUT, A, IS IT FOR SALE? WHAT PRICE? HOWEVER, IF THAT LAND HAS SOME INDIVIDUAL BURIED THERE, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. LET THE OWNER GET OUT THE WAY TESS. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID HERE IN TAMPA, THAT CEMETERY, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORKED, WAS THERE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE BURIED AT. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. MAYBE I'M WRONG BECAUSE TEENAGERS GO WACKO ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN YOU HAVE THE HORMONE MOANS GOING AROUND. THESE ARE THE THINGS I REMEMBER AND WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT IN ERROR. >>CARL BRODY: IF WE KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY THERE RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE DO FOR SOME OF THE CEMETERIES, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE STATUTE COMES INTO PLAY. THE STATUTE I REFERENCED EARLIER COMES INTO PLAY. GIVES NEXT OF KIN THE RIGHT TO GO ON THE PROPERTY AND TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE KNOWN. THE SEPARATE ISSUE IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE UNKNOWN, THE LOST CEMETERIES. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO FILL THAT GAP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS RECOGNIZED NEXT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK A MOTION IS WRONG. MEW ONLY CONCERN IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY TIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO IF THERE IS A WAY THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE NEXT WEEK TO FIGURE IT OUT. I'M CONCERNED IF WE DO THAT, WE WON'T HAVE ROOM UNTIL AUGUST AND I DON'T WANT IT TO GO AWAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE CONVERSATION BEGINS THAT SOMEBODY FROM REAL ESTATE OR WITH THE CITY REACHES OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HEY, CITY COUNCIL HAD THE DISCUSSION. A COUNCIL MEMBER, ME, WAS WILLING TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND MAKE A MOTION FOR IT. THEY COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO SELL IT TO THE CITY. THEY COULD JUST SAY NO. BUT KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, JUNE 5 WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING. I THINK IN BETWEEN, I COULD SEE IF ANYTHING HAS HAPPENED COMMUNICATION-WISE AND THEN JUNE 5, PERHAPS MAKE A FORMAL MOTION SAYING AS WE GO INTO BUDGET SEASON, HEY, THEY ARE INTERESTED. THE CITY WANTS TO DO GPR, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY CAN JUST SAY NO AND TURN US AWAY. BUT AT LEAST WE TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST LET IT GO DOWN ANOTHER ROAD THAT WHO KNOWS WHAT. >>CARL BRODY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF IF WE'RE DISCUSSING LOST CEMETERIES THAT WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. WE NEED AN EASEMENT TO GO ON AND HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AN EASEMENT TO DO A GPR STUDY. THAT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY. THAT'S LIKE KIND OF A MORE NARROW FIRST STEP MAYBE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO SPEAK. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, BUT JUST TO THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO MADE, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL CANNOT FORCE OR COMPEL STAFF OR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO ANYTHING. SO WHAT HIS -- THE WAY I LOOK AT HIS MOTION IS HE'S SIMPLY REQUESTING ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL THAT THE STAFF HAVE SOME KIND OF CONVERSATION. AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE. IT JUST SHOWS THAT IF WE VOTE FOR IT, IT SHOWS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED US TO LOOK INTO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE PUSHED FAR AWAY. I'M HAPPY TO VOTE AND SAY YES, I SUPPORT YOU DOING THAT. IF THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE IS TODAY, AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP ON JUNE 5th WOULD BE AWESOME. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M FINE WITH ALL THIS, BUT HOW DO WE COME UP TO THE POINT, ARE WE GOING TO BUY IT, IF THE PRICE -- I DON'T KNOW. I'VE NEVER BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT, A CEMETERY. ARE WE GOING TO BUY IT WITHOUT PASSING THE UNDERGROUND RADAR TO MAKE SURE IT IS A CEMETERY? WHAT IF WE BUY IT AND IT'S NOT A CEMETERY? WHAT DO WE DO THEN? >>CARL BRODY: I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO VERIFY WHAT YOU'RE PURCHASING YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THE THING BUT I HAVE TO FIND OUT SO I CAN EXPLAIN TO TAXPAYERS WHAT I'M DOING. ALL I HEAR IS HEARSAY. SAW IT ON TELEVISION. SAW IT ON THIS. I AGREE WITH ALL THAT, HOWEVER, ARE THERE BODIES IN THE PROPERTY ITSELF? >>CARL BRODY: THE THING IS, IF YOU DO DETERMINE THAT THERE ARE BODIES THERE, THAT BRINGS IN THE OTHER STATUTORY ISSUES THAT ALLOWS THIRD PARTIES -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RATHER SPEND A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE CORRECT THING. BUT WE CAN'T IF ON THE PROPERTY ALSO WE HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO GO IN AND DO IT. IF THAT SELLER DOESN'T LET ANYONE ELSE DO THAT, THEN HE OR SHE HAS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE VOTE. MS. BULLOCK, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> NO, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: POYNOR? MICHELINI AND MS. BURTON. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IF THERE ARE BODIES UNDERNEATH IT, THAT LAND IS NOT WORTH NEARLY AS MUCH. SO IF THERE IS, THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD NOT BE PAYING ANYWHERE NEAR THE LIST PRICE ON THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN PEOPLE GET OVERZEALOUS ABOUT WE MUST DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DRIVES UP THE PRICE. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. I'M NOT SAYING NOT BUY IT. I'M SAYING IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY BODIES THERE, IT MAKES THE PROPERTY LESS VALUABLE, NOT MORE VALUABLE, LESS VALUABLE. AND WHOEVER DOES PURCHASE IT, IF IT'S NOT THE CITY, THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THEM MOVED OR FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH IT. WHEN WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY IS VALUED AT AND DON'T HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT IF WE SEEM TOO GRAVES ABOUT THE PRICE, THEY WILL BE STICKING WITH IT. IT'S WORTH LESS IF THERE ARE DEAD PEOPLE THERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. MICHELINI, FOLLOWED BY MS. BURTON. >> STEVE MICHELINI. LITTLE HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE. WHEN I WAS WITH THE CITY, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RELOCATING 144 GRAVES FROM UNDERNEATH FORT BROOKE GARAGE. AND ALL OF THEM WERE EITHER REBURIED AT OAKLAWN CEMETERY, THE ONES THAT WERE ABLE TO BE IDENTIFIED AS SETTLERS AND THE INDIAN GRAVES WERE THE ONES THAT WERE TAKEN AND THEN RELOCATED OUT TO WHAT IS NOW SEMINOLE INDIAN BINGO COHN AND HOTEL. -- CASINO HOTEL. THAT'S HOW THE CASINO GOT BUILT. IT WAS A TRADE-OFF BETWEEN THE BURIAL RIGHTS THAT THE INDIANS HAD UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE, FEDERAL FUNDS WERE BEING USED FOR THE GARAGE AND HOTEL COMPLEX. AND THEN EXCHANGE WAS DRAWN UP RELEASING THEIR RIGHTS IN EXCHANGE FOR PROPERTY THE CITY OWNED AT ORIENT ROAD. IT WAS A LONG PROCESS. TOOK ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO EXCAVATE THE BODIES, IDENTIFY THEM. THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WAS INVOLVED. HE CAME DOWN FROM TALLAHASSEE. THE SEMINOLE INDIAN TRIBE AND THE CHIEF JAMES BILLY CAME TO THE SITE ALONG WITH THE ELDERS OF THAT GROUP AND ALSO THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER MONSIGNOR HIGGINS, HE CAME DOWN WHERE THE SETTLER AND ALL THE GRAVES WERE RECONSECRATED BEFORE BEING TRANSPORTED TO OAKLAWN OR TO THE SEMINOLE INDIAN TRIBE LOCATION. IT WAS A LONG PROCESS. BUT THERE IS A PLAQUE DOWN THERE UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT IS A SMALL REMINDER OF WHAT LOST GRAVES LOOK LIKE. THERE WERE NO GRAVE MARKERS. IT WAS A BUILDING AND THEN IT WAS WHATEVER. IT WAS A PARKING LOT AND A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS. BUT OVER TIME IT WAS COMPLETELY LOST. THERE ARE MORE GRAVES OUT HERE THAT GO OUT INTO FLORIDA AVENUE. THEY GO OUT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THE LIMITS OF THAT CEMETERY ARE NOT REALLY KNOWN. BUT WE DID RELOCATE 144 OF THEM THAT WERE DIRECTLY BENEATH FORT BROOKE GARAGE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. BURTON. >> GOOD MORNING. CONNIE BURTON. LEGACY IS IMPORTANT. I LIVED IN ROBLES PARK ABOUT 25 YEARS, AND PRIOR TO GETTING THERE, ALL OF THE OLDER RESIDENTS WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT CEMETERIES WAS THERE. CEMETERIES WAS THERE. AND DESPITE WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE LEGAL PROOF, THEY WAS CORRECT BECAUSE GUESS WHAT WE FOUND OUT LATER, CEREMONIES ARE THERE. BODIES WERE THERE. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST DO THE WORK. IF THE PROPERTY AT WOODLAWN THE PROPRIETOR WANTS TO SELL IT A MILLION DOLLARS, THE CITY OUGHT TO BE THERE WHETHER YOU BUY IT OR NOT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT HISTORY. BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAME IN, ROBLES PARK AND BUILT OVER THE BODIES. PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ANYWAY. I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY SINCE NOW WE ARE MORE ENLIGHTENED AND MORE INFORMED THAT WE SAY WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEN DO THE RIGHT THING. ONE SCRIPTURE MY GRANDMOTHER USED TO TELL ME. THE LIVING KNOW THEY WILL DIE. THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING. I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LIVING TO SAY THE TYPE OF LEGACY THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE BEHIND TO SAY THAT PEOPLE DIE AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS RESOLUTION 568 AND BLACK BODIES IS EVERYWHERE IN THIS CITY. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE MADAM FORTUNE OWNING ALL OF THIS PROPERTY AND THEN DIDN'T FIND NO BLACK BODIES UP DOWNTOWN ANYWHERE. I JUST SIMPLY NEVER BELIEVE THAT. BUT NONETHELESS, DOING THE RIGHT THING. FORCING THE CITY TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE IF IT IS BODIES ON WOODLAWN OR ANYWHERE ELSE, THAT BIG DEVELOPERS DON'T RUN IN FRONT OF THE LINE IF THERE'S SOME FUNDING, BUT THAT EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WOMEN THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE CEMETERY SOCIETY GROUP THAT HAS BEEN ADVOCATES OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S DIGNITY IN DEATH. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR THE RECORD? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, SPECIFICALLY THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT, REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS POTTERS FIELD, THAT WOODLAWN CEMETERY, WOODLAWN BEING CITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY, AND STARTING A DIALOGUE TO SEE HOW WE BEGIN, WHETHER THEY ALLOW FOR GPR, THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS. AND THIS IS GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, IF WE CAN PARTNER AND GET ONTO THAT PROPERTY JUST TO PUT TO REST ANY RUMORS OR CONCERNS. AND IF WE DO GET THAT KIND OF PERMISSION AND THAT CONVERSATION STARTS AND WE DO FIND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BURIED THERE, THE NEXT STEP FOR ME WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET THAT WE ENTER NEGOTIATIONS OR SET A PRICE, A BUDGET THAT WE CAN START NEGOTIATING AND POSSIBLY BUYING THAT PROPERTY IF NEED BE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HE MENTIONED GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND THAT WASN'T MENTIONED BEFORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE TO REALIZE IT IS WORTH LESS IF THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR SAYS IT IS -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. IF YOU PAY FOR IT, DO THE SCAN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. WE MOVED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. YOU'RE YECHED COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: IN REGARD TO GROUND PEN TRAIRGT RADAR, MAKE A MOTION, REQUEST ADMINISTRATION TO REQUEST A BUDGET FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, INCREASED SERVICE TO DETERMINE IF GRAVES EXIST. THAT IS GENERIC. NOT CONNECTED TO ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FY 'FISCAL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. WE HAVE NUMBER 6, LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF REPORTING ON THE PARKING LEASES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING. WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. AND AT THAT HEARING, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ROLLING ANY UPDATES INTO THE CODE REFORM BEING DONE, THE CODE UPDATE. WE HAVE NOTHING NEW TO PRESENT. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT IDEAS YOU ALL HAD ON WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE FOR OFF-SITE PARKING, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING FORMAL TO PRESENT TODAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PowerPoint? COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: THE PURPOSE IS JUST TO CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT, SO WE CAN REQUIRE THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE EARLY TERMINATION, THAT THE COMPLAINT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT PEOPLE, THEY WILL GET A PARKING LEASE AND THEN A MONTH OR SO AFTER THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE OR WHATEVER, THEY'LL CANCEL IT AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL RELEASE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. IT IS TO REMOVE THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING -- WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO -- >>ERIC COTTON: THE MOTION WOULD BE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT, BUT THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THE CYCLE WE'RE IN NOW. >>BILL CARLSON: TELL ME WHAT MOTION I SHOULD MAKE. >>ERIC COTTON: IF THAT IS THE GOAL OF CITY COUNCIL, THERE WERE TWO ISSUES THAT CAME UP, THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE, WHETHER IT BE 5, 10 -- WHATEVER LONG THAT LEASE IS AND THE EARLY TERMINATION. >>BILL CARLSON: ASK STAFF TO BRING BACK A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS THE LENGTH OF LEASE AND EARLY TERMINATION ON PARKING LEASES. >>ERIC COTTON: THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF A JULY CYCLE -- JULY 2025 CYCLE. >>BILL CARLSON: AS PART OF JULY 2025 CYCLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT MS. FEELEY SAID WE WEREN'T DOING ANY MORE TEXT AMENDMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE LDC WAS DONE. >>ERIC COTTON: IN JULY 2025, ONE OF THE CYCLES COMING THROUGH IS IN RELATION TO THE BONUS CRITERIA THAT'S BEING ADOPTED IN THE COMP PLAN. SO PART OF THAT LIST. WANT THIS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MAJOR CODE UPDATE. THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A FEW SECONDS BECAUSE I HAD SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO DO, THIS IS WHEN YOU BUY A PROPERTY AND YOU NEED A PARKING AREA FOR BUSINESS TO CONTAIN, FIVE-YEAR LEASE, NO MAXIMUM, UP TO FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT, NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE ONE YEAR, STILL PAY WHATEVER IT IS. IF I RECALL BACK YEARS AGO, CERTAIN AREA OF TOWN WAS USING THAT AND I BELIEVE I VOTED AGAINST ALL OF THEM. THEY CAN SAY YEAH AND BREAK THE LEASE AND THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED. >>BILL CARLSON: SOUTH HOWARD -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T MENTION -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY. ANY OTHER STATEMENTS? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MANISCALCO? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE HAVE MS. POYNOR, MS. BULLOCK AND MR. MICHELINI. I THINK MS. BULLOCK LEFT. AND HE SAID NO. MS. POYNOR. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS A PET PEEVE OF MY BUDDY ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE. HONESTLY, WHEN HE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT HE'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS HAS COME FORWARD. WAS BECAUSE THE FOLKS WOULD ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AND IT WOULD HAVE A 30-DAY OUT CLAUSE. PARKING IS A PREMIUM HERE. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY PHONE BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THE PICTURES OF THESE PEOPLE PARKED OUTSIDE OF ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES DOWN NEAR US NOW. BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THERE WASN'T ALREADY A MOTION FOR THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT WAY LONGER THAN WE TALKED ABOUT GARAGES. BUT HEY, WHAT DO I KNOW? THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM -- WHAT DID WE HAVE A MOTION FOR? YOUR REQUEST. I APOLOGIZE. AND YOU WERE THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, MR. COTTON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 7, MR. COTTON, THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM. WE'RE BEFORE YOU FOR THE JULY 2024. SHOULD HAVE WRAPPED THIS INTO THE JULY 2025 TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE. THIS IS A WORKSHOP. THE LAST FORMALIZED WORKSHOP. AT THE END, WE'LL ASK TO YOU TRANSMIT THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU SOMETIME I BELIEVE IN JULY FOR ACTUAL FIRST READING AND THEN SECOND READING. THERE'S, AGAIN, WE DO THIS TWICE A YEAR NORMALLY, THE TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE. JANUARY AND JULY ARE THE CYCLES. WE'RE IN THE CURRENT CYCLE. DIDN'T DO ONE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, BUT JULY 2024 CYCLE. >>BILL CARLSON: COULD WE DO A POINT OF ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC? JUST TO TELL THE PUBLIC, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF E-MAILS ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROPOSAL. THIS IS NOT THAT. THAT MEETING IS TONIGHT. SO IF YOU ARE WATCHING, THIS IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOOD POINT. >>ERIC COTTON: THE FIRST ROUND ARE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL TO SECTION 27-61150. WE'RE ADDING A LINE FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. THEN THE ONES ADDED ON BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN FOR THE PARKING GARAGE DEPTH AND PARKING -- FOR PARKING. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL. THE FIRST ONE WAS 27-61, THE REVIEW HEARING. TO SUMMARIZE THIS REQUEST, IT IS TO BASICALLY REMOVE THE HEARING OFFICER FROM THE PROCESS FROM FORMAL DECISIONS. WHEN THAT IS APPEALED, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINATION IS APPEALED, STEP NOW IT GOES TO HEARING OFFICER. THE HEARING OFFICER WRITES AN ORDER THAT COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL THEN EITHER UPHOLDS THE HEARING OFFICER OR DOESN'T. THIS WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE HEARINGS, ANY APPEALS FROM A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINATION GO DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. THE ONE ADDITION TO THIS IS THE FACT, DOING THAT IS FOR THAT PROCESS, A FINAL ORDER WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY CITY COUNCIL. AGAIN, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. SO THERE WOULD BE A MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS AT THE END VERSUS JUST A MOTION TO OVERTURN OR UPHOLD. YOU ALL DO HAVE THE PACKETS FOR THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE. 27-150, A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S ABILITY TO WAIVE THE 12-MONTH WAITING PERIOD. RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY IS DOING A REZONING, MOST LIKELY A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY ARE DENIED AND THAT PERSON CAN SHOW THEY WERE DENIED FOR THREE REASONS BY CITY COUNCIL AND THAT PERSON REDESIGNS THEIR SITE AND ADDRESSES THOSE THREE REASONS FOR DENIAL, THE ZI CAN WAIVE THE 12 MONTH PROCESS. THAT'S REMOVING THE ABILITY FOR ME TO DO SO. THIS GOES INTO THE PARKING LOT ISSUES, THE PARKING STUFF. THIS IS A FOOTNOTE IN TABLE 4-2, WHICH IS THE USE, WHICH IS THE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA FOR THE CODE. THIS IS REMOVING THE ABILITY -- RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE DOING A SIDE LOAD GARAGE, CORNER, SIDE LOAD GARAGE IS ALLOWED TO BE AT TEN FEET. THIS WOULD REQUIRE TO BE AT THE 18 FEET LIKE A GARAGE IN THE FRONT. THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANYBODY HANG OVER INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THROUGH THE DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS, IF SOMEBODY IS COMING IN OFF AN ALLEY, THEY COULD STILL ASK FOR THAT REDUCTION. THAT WOULD THEN BE DONE, WHEN THAT GETS PROCESSED BY US, MOBILITY WEIGHS IN ON THAT SO THEY CAN HAVE A SAY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT KIND OF REQUEST. FOR UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER OF PARKING, THERE WAS A COMMENT REGARDING PARKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY -- OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED. THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE REMOVING THAT FROM THIS SECTION. THE DISCUSSION WAS -- OKAY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT INSIDE OF A GARAGE. I GUESS SOME COUNCIL HEARINGS WHERE YOU HAD A GARAGE EXTRA DEEP AND PEOPLE PARKING BACK TO BACK INSIDE THE GARAGE. I WOULD REMOVE THAT REQUEST. COMING OUT OF THIS SECTION OF THE CODE. THIS IS A SECTION THAT'S REGARDING THE GARAGE DEPTH. I'M KEEPING UP WITH MY NOTEBOOK OVER HERE WITH THE ACTUAL CODE SECTIONS. THIS IS NOW CREATING THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR GARAGES. NOT CURRENTLY CODIFIED. THIS REALLY ONLY AFFECTS SOMEBODY IF THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING THE 18-FOOT LONG DRIVEWAY. FOR MOST PEOPLE, MOST ZONING IN THE CITY REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 20 TO 25-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE FRONT YARD ANYWAY. FRONT LOAD GARAGE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ONE CAR IN THE -- OR TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE, THAT GARAGE DOESN'T MATTER HOW WIDE IT IS OR NOT HAVE A GARAGE AT ALL BECAUSE YOUR TWO REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WOULD BE IN THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF. AGAIN, TANDEM PARKING ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR PARKING PADS OR FOR THE DRIVEWAYS. WHEN WE WROTE THE LANGUAGE WE SAID THERE WAS NO WAIVER EITHER THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, THROUGH A VARIANCE BEFORE THE VRB OR BLC OR ARC OR PD FROM CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS ACTUALLY A CHANGE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THE DRAWINGS WERE NOT REALLY DONE PROPERLY BACK HISTORICALLY. SO I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE NEW GRAPHIC WAS UPDATED TO SHOW THAT THAT DISTANCE FROM HERE TO THERE, THAT WAS NOT -- IT USED TO SHOW THE DRIVEWAY APRON GOING OUT THERE. AND THE DIMENSIONS WERE NOT CORRECT. WE FIXED THAT TO SAY THIS IS NOW 18 FEET, MINIMUM OF 18 FEET, 18 FEET, INSTEAD OF THE 15 FEET OR 3 FEET, WHATEVER THE CODE PREVIOUSLY SAID. IT IS AN UPDATE TO THE GRAPHIC ITSELF. THE NEXT PORTION WAS FOR THE BUILD-TO LINE. WE CREATED A DEFINITION. IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY DEFINED IN THE CODE. NOW IT SAYS BASICALLY THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT WALL OF THE STRUCTURE. THE NEXT ONE IS WE JUST CHANGED THE LANGUAGE ON HOW THE BTL IS MEASURED. THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WHICH IS WHEN YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT, THE DEFAULT AT 20 FEET, ADJACENT TO A VACANT LOT THAT LOT WOULD BE 20 FEET. YOUR LOT -- THAT'S CODIFYING HOW WE CURRENTLY DO THE MEASUREMENTS. WE ALSO UPDATED THE DRAWINGS, IF COUNCIL RECALLS. WE HAVE CREATED ALL THE GRAPHICS TO SHOW THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE. BEFORE, THE LINES WENT FORWARD ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET. THIS IS NOW DEFINITELY ENDING AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO AVOID THAT CONFUSION. THE NEXT IS A SET INITIATED BY STAFF. EITHER MYSELF OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE OR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE, WE HAVE DESIGN EXCEPTION ONE, DESIGN EXCEPTION TWO, WE HAVE SEPARATE CRITERIA FOR WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED IN THE CITY, WHAT PLANNING DISTRICT YOU'RE IN. IF YOU'RE IN CENTRAL TAMPA VERSUS SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT, WHAT YOU CAN ASK FOR IS DIFFERENT. THIS WOULD REQUIRE THEM ALL TO BE THE SAME. SO YOU HAVE A SET, BOTH ON STAFF SIDE AND ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN REQUEST. THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN GET. IF YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A VARIANCE FROM VRB OR ARC, WHATEVER YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN. THIS IS REQUIRING NOTICE FOR ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF NOT INCLUDING CERTAIN ONES FOR SAKE OF STAFF, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE EVERYBODY, ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS -- GET NOTICE SO STAFF DOESN'T INADVERTENTLY SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A NOTICE OR YOU DO NEED TO DO A NOTICE AND PEOPLE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN. THIS IS REQUIRING NOTICE. AFTER FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, THE DECISION WAS TO MAKE IT FROM 15 DAYS WHICH IT CURRENTLY IS TO 30 DAY NOTICE. I KNOW THIS IS SMALL. I APOLOGIZE. I CAN BLOW THAT UP SOME. RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE FOR VARIANCES AND FOR SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES LIKE THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, THERE'S NO CODE REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT MINIMALLY HAS TO BE ON A SITE PLAN. THOSE ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD, YOU GET SOME ODD SITE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED. THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE STANDARDIZED SITE PLANS, WE TOOK SOME OF THE STUFF FROM THE PD SITE PLAN THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH SEEING AND INCORPORATING. MOST OF THESE ARE NOT AT THE SAME SKILL OR LEVEL OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BUT REQUIRE THE SAME -- SITE DATA TABLE. NORTH ARROW, NAMES OF STREETS, LOCATION OF TREES. ALL THAT STUFF SHOULD BE ON A PLAN. THIS IS INITIATED CURRENTLY WHEN THE ARC MAKES A DECISION. THAT WOULD BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT TO APPEAL, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BLC, WHEN BLC ADMINISTRATOR MAKES A DETERMINATION, APPEALED TO BLC, MAKE THE ARC THE SAME WAY. 27-132, BLOW THIS UP AGAIN. EASIER TO SEE. PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, COUNCIL AMENDED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADU AND ALLOWED THEM TO BE IN NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES MADE CONFORMING AS A RESULT OF VARIANCE. THIS IS TAKING SOME OF THAT SAME LANGUAGE AND PUTTING INTO EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, MOTHER-IN-LAW FATHER-IN-LAW GRANDPARENTS WHEN THEY NEED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE, MIMICKING THE SAME LANGUAGE. COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SEEN PROBABLY QUITE A FEW IN YOUR TIME ON COUNCIL OF APPEALS FOR SPECIAL USE ONES THAT STAFF HAS DENIED WHEN THE PERSON HAD A 2.8-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF 3-FOOT SETBACK. THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THOSE COMING BEFORE YOU. THIS IS A FOOTNOTE IN TABLE 4-2. THOUGH THE CODE WAS AMENDED PROBABLY IN I WANT TO SAY 2017, 2018 THAT WOULD ALLOW BUILDERS OR SOMEBODY DEVELOPING ON THEIR PROPERTY TO ADJUST THEIR SETBACKS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ANY OTHER PROCESS. IF THEY WERE SAVING A GRAND OR SPECIMEN TREE. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE COME IN, THE TREE IS IN THE BACKYARD, IT'S OUTSIDE THE 20-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS, THAT TREE ANYWAY. PEOPLE SAY I'M SAVING THE TREE, I WANT TO PICK UP THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE. THERE WAS NO OFFSET FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IN A SENSE REDUCE SETBACK AND PICK UP ANOTHER 500 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER. THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE CODE. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADJUST THEIR SETBACKS THEY HAVE TO EITHER GET A DESIGN EXCEPTION OR SEEK A VARIANCE. IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS FOR PERMIT REMOVAL FOR GRAND TREES. THIS WAS WRITTEN BY ONE OF OUR TREE GUYS OR TREE EXPERTS. I'M NOT ONE. SO GIVE ME A MOMENT TO REMEMBER THIS. THIS IS JUST DISCUSSING, IF YOU HAVE A TREE LIMIT OF MORE THAN FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER, 12-INCH FROM THE BASE, YOU HAVE THE BASE OF YOUR TREE, HAD -- THE BRANCHES THAT COME OUT, HAVE TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. NORMALLY WHEN YOU GET AN ARBORIST REPORT IT'S SHOWN THERE. RELYING ON THE ARBORIST REPORT VERSUS STAFF GOING OUT AND DOING THE MEASUREMENTS TO ENSURE IT IS CORRECT. CERTIFIED ARBORIST WOULD BE THE ONE WRITING UP THE REPORT AND SHOWING WHERE THIS IS AND HOW IT'S BEING AFFECTED. THIS WAS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH ARE YOUR TYPICALLY TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT. PREVIOUSLY, WE DID NOT HAVE THE REQUIREMENT TO BUFFER ITSELF FROM -- WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE 1. THIS IS REMOVING THAT SECTION FROM THE CODE. WE THINK PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT IN 2022 THAT ADDED THAT IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN IT WAS CODIFIED GOT MESSED UP OR MUNICODE PUT IT IN THE FORMAT BUT THIS IS REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT. ABBYE AND I DID RESEARCH, WENT BACK TO ORIGINAL CHAPTER 43. NEVER IN THERE REQUIRING IT SO WE TOOK IT BACK OUT. FOR AIR CONDITIONING AND POOLS AND GENERATORS, GENERATORS WERE NOT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW. AS PEOPLE ARE REBUILDING AND RAISING THEIR HOMES UP IN FLOOD-PRONE AREAS, TECO IS REQUIRING THAT THE METER BE PUT UP HIGHER TO BE OUT OF THE FLOOD ISSUE. BUT TECO REQUIRES A PLATFORM TO BE INSTALLED. CODE IS SILENT ON THAT. THIS IS JUST INCLUDING THAT INTO THE CODE NOW HAVING SPECIFIC SETBACKS FOR GENERATORS OR AIR CONDITIONING STANDS AND TECO STANDS, WHAT THE SETBACK WOULD HAVE TO BE. AND THAT IS THE LAST OF THE AMENDMENTS. THE NEXT PAGE IS WHERE WE ARE. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN MAY, 2025. THIS IS THE LAST, THE DRAFT LANGUAGE UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT. THIS WOULD BE TRANSMITTED -- THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING IN JULY. AUGUST WE WOULD HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A DAYTIME MEETING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THE SECOND READING. OCTOBER 1st, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD INTO THE EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MANISCALCO, IS YOUR LIGHT ON FOR A REASON? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DETAILING EACH OF THESE. I'M FINE WITH MOVING THEM FORWARD. GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN. I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET THE PROCESS STARTED TO GET IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORT TO GET THESE TO THIS POINT. THESE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT. SO WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. >>ERIC COTTON: YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MS. POYNOR AND MR. MICHELINI. ARE YOU ALL PASSING? >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. 12 MONTHS BEING WAIVED, THAT'S AMAZING. IT SAVES EVERYBODY A WHOLE BUNCH OF GRIEF. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, DEVELOPERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT THEIR NOTIFICATION OF FILING, THEY HAVE THEIR GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE. THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IF THEY COME HERE AND THEY LOSE, FRICKING PAPER WORK BACK THERE, YOU GUYS APPROVE 92% OF WHAT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU. 92%. THAT MEANS 8% ARE REALLY, REALLY CRAPPY PLANS. AND IF THEY ARE THAT BAD, AND THEY HAVE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY STILL DECIDED TO COME IN HERE WITH CRAPPY PLANS, WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT THAT ONE OUT. TANDEM PARKING IS NOT REALISTIC. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH THE ISSUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF HAVING DEFICIENT DRIVEWAYS. THOSE FOLKS, WE'VE GOT GARAGES THAT ARE TOO SMALL AND THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO PARK -- THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE TO PARK BEHIND ONE ANOTHER. I SHOWED YOU GUYS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE 27 VISITOR PARKING SPACES. ANY TIME OF DAY, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. AT LEAST 12 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE WHO OWN IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE NOT VISITORS. THE OTHER THING IS GARAGE SIZES. OH, I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE ENCLOSED OR NOT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, FEMA SAYS WE SHOULD STOP FILLING UNDER HOUSES. SO PUT THE HOUSES UP ON THE PILLARS AND LET THEM HAVE OPEN-AIR GARAGES OR OPEN-AIR FACILITIES. QUITE A FEW OF THEM IN PORT TAMPA ALREADY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE OPEN PARKING UNDERNEATH YOUR HOME. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. MICHELINI. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU REGARDING THE GARAGE SIZES. THEY SHOULD BE SET AT 19 FEET OF WIDTH ON THE INSIDE DIMENSION. THAT'S A STANDARD PARKING SIZE. AND 18 FEET IN DEPTH. YOU'VE ADDED AND PER THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HELD AT COUNCIL BEFORE, YOU'VE ADDED AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOU CAN'T STORE YOUR SOLID WASTE, YOUR GARBAGE CANS AND ALL THAT OUTSIDE. THAT SHOULD BE A DESIGN ISSUE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE BUILDER TO SOLVE AND NOT INCORPORATED THAT ENDS UP CREATING A HARDSHIP FOR THE BUILDER. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT YOU SET THE INSIDE DIMENSION AT 19 AND THE DEPTH AT 18 FEET. ALLOW THE DRIVEWAY AT 18 FEET, MINIMUM LENGTH TO COUNT TOWARD REQUIRED PARKING. THAT ALSO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURES. REMOVE THE OBLIGATION FOR ENCLOSED PARKING. THAT'S IN THE CODE. NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS AMENDMENT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND ALLOW NEW CARPORTS TO BE PARTIALLY ENCLOSED. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THIS CHANGE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT ENCLOSING THE SIDE WALLS SO THAT YOU HAD THE EXTRA WIDTH TO GET IN AND OUT TO MANEUVER. ALLOW TANDEM PARKING AS LONG AS THE 18-FOOT OF DIMENSIONS ARE PROVIDED IN THE PARKING, IN THE DRIVEWAY. AND SOLID WASTE STORAGE IS A SEPARATE ISSUE AND NOT SHOULD BECOME AN OBLIGATION OF THE GARAGE. THE LAST ISSUE, NOT ALLOWING YOU TO FILE WITHIN A YEAR, A LOT OF THESE -- FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T AMEND YOUR SITE PLAN WITHIN 30 DAYS OF APPEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU GET OTHER COMMENTS, EITHER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FROM STAFF, YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE CHANGES. SO WHEN YOU COME BEFORE YOU AND THE STAFF HAS -- AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO CHANGE THAT SITE PLAN. SO THE ONE YEAR, IF YOU COME BACK AND THE COUNCIL HAS MADE A MOTION THAT SPECIFIES WHAT THESE -- WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AS YOU DO IN YOUR MOTION, THEN YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT SITE PLAN AND RESUBMIT WITHIN THE YEAR. IT CREATES A HARDSHIP. IF IT'S A LARGER PROJECT OR EVEN SMALLER PROJECTS TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF YOUR DISCUSSION AND ANY PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP BEFORE YOU. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MEET THEM, AND THAT MEANS THAT PROJECT IS DEAD. BUT IF YOU CAN MEET THEM AND THE STAFF IS LOOKING -- THEY LOOK AT THE MOTIONS BEFORE THEY CERTIFY A PLAN TO WAIVE THAT ONE YEAR. SO WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DELETE THAT PORTION. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO BE MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT THE JULY 2024 AMENDMENT CYCLE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND I HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ANY OPPOSED? DO WE DO NEW BUSINESS OR SEE YOU ALL TONIGHT? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TURN IN MY FORM -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO WE TAKE MOTIONS FOR THOSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU SECOND FOR CARLSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF YOURS? AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF YOURS? BOTH MOTIONS CARRIED. MEETING ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] SEE YOU ALL AT 5:00.