A GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL . TONIGHT WE HAVE FIVE WHICH IS A QUORUM. THE COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. OUR WORK IS INFORMED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, VARIOUS DISTRICT PLANS AND THE CITY CODE FOR SOM ITEMSHE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY AND WE HAVE FOUR OF THOSE ITEMS TONIGHT IN OTHER CASES THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THERE ARE NO SUCH ITEMS TONIGHT FOR EACH ACTION ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND AS YOU ARE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC WHICH IS MY ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS A REZONING AND A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A CAR WASH AND IN THE RETAIL SPACE, ETC. ETC.. I WILL LET SENIOR PLANNER SCENARIO GIVE US THE DETAILS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, THE YOUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS TO REVIEW A TO APPLY A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY TO AN EXISTING PARCEL AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO CONVERT A PORTION OF AN EXISTING GAS STATION AND C STORE AT MANY 200 OLD CEDAR TO RETAIL SPACE AND THEN EXPAND THE BUILDING BY BUILDING A NEW CARWASH. SO IF WE ARE AT 9200 OLD CEDAR SO WE'RE WE'RE IN THE LOOKING AT THE TRIANGULAR PARCEL WHERE OLD CHICOPEE AND OLD CEDAR INTERSECT. SO THIS IS OUR EASL CHECKERBOARD CEDAR COMMERCIAL NODE AS WE OFTEN REFER TO AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN EXISTING BUSINESS EXISTING GAS STATION HAS BEEN IT'S BEEN WITH THE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HERE'S A STREET VIEW OF THE GAS STATION FROM EAST ABBEY ROAD LOOKING SOUTHEAST. YOU CAN SEE THE PREDOMINANTLY BRICK EXTERIOR. A LOT OF THAT EXTERIOR WOOD WOULD REMAIN. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES IDENTIFYING HOW THE APPLICANT TENDS TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S WORTHOTING THATHE NOPY WOULD REMAIN AS IS THE PUMPS EVERY TEN TO REMAIN AS IS MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ONSITE WHICH I'LL I'LL TOUCH ON AND I WILL NOTE THAT I'M FILLING IN FOR ALL DAY SO I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT PLEASE BEAR WITH ME IF I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER RIGHT AWAY. BUT HERE'S JUST A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE REZONING WE'RE WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE APPLICANT IS NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE ONLY THE OLD REMAIN B TWO HOWEVER TO ALLOW THE CITY TO CONSIDER SOME FLEXIBILITY AND THERE'S REALLY THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO AREAS OF FLEXIBILITY THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR APPROVAL AS TO APPLY THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY HERE IS THE SITE PLAN OR LANDSCAPING PLAN WHICH WE USED AS A SITE PLAN AND THE EXPANSION AREA IS OUTLINED IN RED AND THAT'S MOSTLY THE GAS STATION WITH A SMALL AREA I BELIE IT'S FOR STORA AND LIKE MECHANICAL PROBABLY SOME CAR WASH EQUIPMENT BUT IT'S ABOUT BETWEEN 13 AND 1400 SQUARE FEET AND BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL BUILDING WE HAVE CERTAIN THRESHOLDS WHERE. IF YOU SURPASS A CERTAIN EXPANSION AMOUNT WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING THE WHOLE SITE UP TO COMPLIANCE WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING AND THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO ON SMALL SITES WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS AND SO WE'LL WE'LL GET TO A COUPLE OF AREAS OF NONCOMPLIANCE THAT THE APPLICANT SEEKING FLEXIBILITY FOR. BUT GENERALLY WHEN WE SAY SITE CHARACTERISTICS WE'RE DEALING WITH PARKING LOTS PARKING ITSELF CURB GUTTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LANDSCAPING LIGHTING JUST A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP DEVELOPMENT ONE OF THOSE ARE PARKING ISLANDS AND. CITY CODE COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IS THAT AT THE END OF A ROWS OF PARKING YOU HAVE TO END THAT WITH A PARKING ISLAND AND THAT HAS TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE INSIDE OF CURB INSTEAD OF CURB AND IT MUST HAVE A TREE. WELL WHAT LISTED ON THIS SITE IS SHE IDENTIFIED WHERE THOSE ISLANDS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ORDER TO BE CODE . A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE WELL ONE IS DIRECTLY UNDER THE CANOPY AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS PRETTY MUCH IN A DRIVE LANE AS WELL AS TWO ISLANDS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A COUPLE OF STALLS JUST KIND OF HANGING OUT ON THE EAST PART OF THE SITE. WELL, THOSE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE PARKING ISLANDS SO THE APPLICANT WITH THE PARKING LOT EXPANSION THEY'RE COMPLYING BUT OF THE I GUESS IT WOULD BE SIX ISLANDS THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING TWO AND SO TREES WOULD BE ADDED TO THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE IS THERE'S NOTHING. NO AND WHEN WE REVIEW THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REALLY LOOKING AT IF WE WANT TO BOIL IT DOWN TO LIKE A PUBLIC BENEFIT TEST DO WE FEEL THAT IT'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE FLEXIBILITY GIVEN THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE? AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS PUBLIC BENEFIT A LOT OF NONCONFORMING SITE CHARTERISTICS WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE LANDSCAPING BEING ONE OF THEM, LIGHTING BEING ANOTHER ONE. THE REINVESTMENT IN AGING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WE FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SO THE CURB APPEAL IF YOU WILL WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED WITH THE EXPANSION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHERE THERE IS NONE TODAY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE'S AN ABOVE GROUND PROPANE TANK THAT WOULD BE BURIED BETWEEN THE THE GAS STATION AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE TO THE SOUTH. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT JT TO MENTIONOME REVISIONS THAT WE WE NEED TO CONSIDER ANOTHER SITE CHARACTERISTIC SIDEWALK AND ALONG COLLECTORS AND OUR ARTERIAL ROADS SO SHAKOPEE IS ONE OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS AN EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK CURRENTLY I BELIEVE THAT THE SIDEWALK IS ONLY FOUR FEET MAYBE FIVE FEET AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO SHOWING HERE IS COMPLIANT WITH TO THE SOUTH OF THE ACCESS BUT WAS SHOWING THE EXISTING CONCRETE SIDEWALK TO REMAIN AND COMPLIANCE WOULD DICTATE THAT THEY WIDEN THAT ONE TOO AND SO WE'RE I BELIEVE IT WAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT BUT THAT'S A REVISION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE AS BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUE THE OTHER FLEXIBILITY MEASURE OTHER THAN THE ISLANDS IS RELATED IS ALSO RELATED LANDSCAPING BUT WE HAVE A SET OF LANDSCAPING POLICIES THAT WE REFERENCE IN THE CODE AND ONE OF THOSE IS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS. SO IF YOU SEE SHRUBS O FLOWER BEDS ALONG THE FOUNDATIONS OF BUILDINGS YOU KNOW BOTH ARCHITECTS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS DO THAT NATURALLY BUT IT WE ALSO REQUIRE IT THAT AT LEAST HALF OF THE FOUNDATION AREAS HAS PLANTINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO. THERE IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE WIDENED TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE THAT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TODAY AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF PLANTING AREAS ALONG THE IT WOULD FRANKLY REQUIRE A COMPLETE SITE REDESIGN JUST BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS ARE KIND OF TIGHT. SO IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS BRINGING THE ENTIRE SITE AND INTO CONFORMANCE WITH LANDSCAPING AND WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW THE PLAN CAN BE APPROVED WE THINK THIS IS THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE FLEXIBILITY. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE FLOOR PLAN WHAT'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE EXPANSION AREA AND YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR WHERE MY CUOR IS THIS ISHE EXISTING CARWASH SO THAT WOULD BE CHANGED TO RETAIL SPACE AND THEN SHIFTED 90 DEGREES. SO THE DRIVING INTO THE CAR WASH WOULD BE THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND THEN THE BLOWERS WHICH ARE THE LOUDEST ELEMENT OF THE CAR WASH WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SO THE LOUDEST COMPONENT FACING NORTH TOWARDS THE STREET AND COMMERCIAL AND WE'LL GET TO WE'LL GET TO NOISE IN JUST A MOMENT BUT HERE'S THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS WEAR IT ENTAILS A LOT OF THE SAME EXTREME MATERIALS THAT THATOULD REMAIN B OBVIOUSLY THE THE EXPANSION WOULD PREDOMINATELY BRICK WHICH IS COMPLIANT NEW WINDOWS NEW ENTRANCE YOU KNOW NEW NO NEW LIGHTING SO IT WOULD INVIGORATE THE BUILDING FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE. HERE'S THE IMAGE FROM ABBEY ROAD NOTHING MUCH TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN THE EXPANSION IS WOULD BE HAVE A BRICK FACADE WHICH MEETS OUR EXTERIOR STANDARDS PARKING IS OR IS ALSO A CODE REQUIREMENT OF COURSE AND WE HAVE BOTH A REQUIREMENT FOR THE CAR WASH AS WELL AS THE RETAIL COMPONENT ONCE WE ADD THOSE REQUIREMENTS UP IT'S TWO SPACES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 23 SO WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING STANDARD AND OUR FAVORITE TOPIC RELATED TO NOISE YOU KNOW THIS IS A CAR WASH AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST AND SO OF COURSE WE'RE MINDFUL OF WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT COULD BE YOU KNOW, HOW THE DOORS ARE OPERATED AND WHEN THE BLOWERS RELATIVE TO THE DOORS AND THOSE ARE ALL THOSE ARE ALL ELEMENTS THATAVE TO BE MODELED STUDIED. AND TO THE ALVIN'S CREDIT, THEY DID HIRE A SOUND AND THEY DID THE MODELING AND THE CAR WASH WOULD BE OPEN FROM 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M.. SO WE'RE WITHIN THE DAYTIME ONLY BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET GO PAST 10 P.M. YOU'RE IN NIGHTTIME SOUND LEVELS WHICH ARE MORE STRINGENT AND WHAT THE THE MODEL FOUND IS THAT UNLESS BOTH CAR WASH DOORS ARE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEAR WASH WLD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CITY AND MPC RULES SO SO NATURALLY FROM A OPERATIONS STANDPOINT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU KNOW THE THE THE CAR WASH ENTRANCE IS CLOSED WHILE THE NORTH IS OPENED BECAUSE THAT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON SOUND PRODUCTION AND SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IN THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS . SO WITH THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BOTH OF THE REZONING TO APPLY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE EXPANSION AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WELL DONE WITH THE APPLICANT. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM . JUST GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP TO THE MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. I APPRECIATE IT MIKE YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. ADAM PETERSON WITH D.J. KRANTZ CONSTRUCTION THE STORE OWNER ALWAYS HERE AS WELL JUST CASE HE HAD A QUESTIONS. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY SEEING THIS PLACE FRESHENED UP. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME EFFORT ON THIS AND THE ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN GLEN, COME ON. COME ON BACK UP. I THINK WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION. YES. WILL THE CARWASH BE AN OPERATIONAL DAILY? IT DIDN'T START OFF 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M. SO ALL WEEK INCLUDING WEEKENDS I ASSUMING. YES. YEAH. OKAY THANK YOU. SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE IS ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. RIGHT AND SEEING NONE ONLINE I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND THANK YOU. A MOTION IN A CLOSED MOTION A SECOND TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I AM OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES DISCUSSION ON THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE PROJECT . YES COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANK YOU CHAIR YOU KNOW LOOKING AT THE SITE IT IS A UNIQUE SITE AND I CAN UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHIZE WITH THE OWNER OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THE SITE H. I APPRECIAT THEM WORKING WITH STAFF ON SOME OF THE FLEXIBILITIES AND WORKING TOWARDS YOU KNOW, MAKING IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND MORE AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO OVERALL THINK THAT THE FLEXIBILITY AS WELL AS THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE I SAW ON THE STAFF REPORT IMPROVEMENTS TO ADA ACCESSIBILITY SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING, THE SIDEWALKS WHICH IS GREAT. SO OVERALL I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE DISCUION. ONE ITEM I WOULD NOTE AND IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY TO THIS APPLICATION BUT I KNOW LATER WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THEIR SIGN ORDINANCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH WE HAVE STANDARDS AROUND WINDOW COVERING AND SIGNAGE AND WINDOWS AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A TYPE OF BUSINESS WHERE WE TYPICALLY MAYBE ARE NOT AS ON TOP OF THOSE PORTION PROPORTIONS AS WE COULD BE. SO NOT FOR THIS APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE OF THINGS LATER JUST KIND OF SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THOSE WINDOWS GET PRETTY PRETTY FULL. OTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION I MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN IN CASE PEOPLE 2023180I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM B 12 B TWO TO B TO PD AT 9200 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SECOND THANK YOU WE WERE MOTION A A SECON TOECOMMEND A REZONING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES AND ANYONE INTERESTED IN ANOTHER MOTION COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN IN CASE PEOPLE 2023180 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO CONVERT THE EXISTING CARWASH TO RETAIL SPACE, BUILD A NEW CAR WASH IN PARKING LOT AT 9200 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT SECOND THANK YOU WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES THESE ITEMS WILL APPEAR ON THE DECEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ANOTHER PUBC HEARING FOR ANOTHER REZONING AND ANOTHER SET OF PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND . SENIOR PLANS SENIOR PLANNER SAID SCENARIO AGAIN FEATURE ROHMAN WE ARE MOVING ALONG TO 700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST AND THIS IS FOR A FULL SCALE REDEVELOPMENT OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL. WE'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT THAT A DIFFERENT KIND OF REZONING CURRENTLY IT'S IT'S B TO GENERAL BUSINESS BUT THE PROPOSED ZONING THAT WOULD BE ALM 100 WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY SO THAT'S OUR O DENSEST MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THIS APPLICATION ISN'T GETTING TO THE 100 UNITS PER ACRE BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DENSE IT'S ABOUT 69 UNITS PER ACRE. SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WELL ABOVE OUR 50 LEVEL AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A FIVE STOREY 128 UNIT SENIOR APARTMENT BUILDING WITH A SMALL RETAIL COMPONENT. SO WE'RE AT THE CORNER OR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LYNDALE AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND SO GOODWILL IS DIRECTLY ACROSS ACROSS LYNDALEF LUTHER ACURA AND SUBARU ARE TO THE NORTHEAST ALREADY THIS HAS SHARES ACCESS WITH RCI IS A SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT TO THE SITE DESIGN THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT HAS TO BE WORKED WITHIN AN ACCESS EASEMENT AND THEN A RECENTLY COMPLETED TOP LINE CREDIT UNION IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST THAT'S PROPER DOES HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF HISTORY IT WAS THE IT WAS PLANTED BACK IN 2000 2008 PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY PURCHASED BOTH 709 HUNDRED DEVELOPMENT IN I THINK THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH RECESSION AND THEN THE CITY REQUIRED SEVEN OR AMERICAN FROM THEIR DEVELOPER AND MORE RECENTLY IN 2022 THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS THE APPLICANT SCHAFER RICHARDSON WAS SELECTED TO BE THE LEAD DEVELOPER ON THIS ON THE SITE. SO HERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE AREA IN THE BOWER HOCKEY SIGN TO THE LEFT THAT'S THE SHARED ACCESS THERE IS AGAIN THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT AND SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A VERY PROMINENT SIGNIFICANT PARCEL IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND THROUGH CITY COMMERCE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OBVIOUSLY SUBSTANTIAL AND HAD DENSITY AND REALLY HOPING FOR SOME LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL AND THIS IS FROM LYNDALE LOOKING SOUTH SO THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE THE RIGHT TURN ONTO AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND YOU ALSO SEE THE OVERHEAD LINES. SO THAT'S ALSO A CONSTRAINT BECAUSE THERE'S THE EXCEL EASEMENT DOES CREATE A CONSTRAINT FOR SITE AND WITH THAT ALSO IN SOME DEGREE HELPS PUSH THE BUILDING TO THE CLOSE OF THE STREET WHICH IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO WANTED TO SEE. THIS IS ANOTHER GRAPHIC FOR REZONING I CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THE EXISTING B TWO BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED ARM 100 DISTRICT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY. SO HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE THIS AGAIN THE FIVE STORY 128 UNITS ONE LEVEL OF STRUCTURED PARKING. SO IT'S MOSTLY STRUCTURED PARKING AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SURFACE LOT THAT USES THAT SHARED ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL THERE IS A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL ELEMENT WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED A NOTE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY THIS WOULD BE A 100% AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT SO OF 128 UNITS 26 OF THOSE UNITS ARE 20% WOULD MEET THE 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOMEHRESHOLD AND THEN T REMAINDER WOULD BE THE 60% AND I COUPLE OF DEVIATIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED ONE IS A SIDE YARD RELATED TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND AGAIN THIS IS ALONG THE SHARED ACCESS THERE THERE IS EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WOULD REMAIN BUT THEN THERE'S A SMALL LANDSCAPED BUFFER AND THEN THE BUILDING SO THE BASED ON HOW WE CALCULATE SETBACKS DUE TO HEIGHT THE MINIMUM WOULD BE 18 FEET THREE INCHES WAS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TEN FEET NINE INCHES WE THINK THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE FLEXIBILITY MEASURE GIVEN THE SHARED ACCESS QUITE WIDE AND THE PROPERTY LINE IF IT WERE TO BE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHARED ACCESS WHICH IS OFTEN THE CASE WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING A REQUEST FOR A DEVIATION IT'D BE COMPLETELY CODE COMPLYING GROUP PLUS IF THE BUILDING WERE TO BE SHIFTED IT COULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF UNITS WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T WANT TO DIDN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WE IS IS REALLY NICE IS THE PUBLIC PLAZA THAT'S VERY NEAR THE CORNER YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT GROUND MATERIALS ON THIS ON THIS GRAPHIC WE HAVE 20 FOOT MINIMUM LANDSCAPE YARD REALLY WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD IS LANDSCAPING THE SIDEWALKS AND NOT THAT MUCH ELSE. SO THE BUT IN THIS CASE W THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE A FEATURE NEAR THAT MAIN ENTRANCE NEAR THAT INTERSECTION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE BUILDING THE PLAZA WOULD ACTIVATE THIS CORNER HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PEDESTRIAN HANSMAN AND FRANKLY PROBABLY BE A NICE LOOKING ADDITION TO THE CORNER WITH LANDSCAPING IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING QUANTITY I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS CALLED COMPLYING. THERE'S A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS AND MODIFICATIONS WE TOUCHED ON LANDSCAPE ISLANDS YOU SEE A COUPLE OF LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE SURFACE. A LOT OF WE DON'T SEE A TREE THERE SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WIDTH AS COMPLIANT AND THEN GOING BACK TO COMMENTS RELATED TO FOUNDATION PLANTINGS WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DONE ON THE EAST EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING ALONG LYNDALE WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING DRIVEN IT MIGHT LOOK PRETTY JUST A LITTLE BIT BARREN IN THAT CORNER OF THE SITE FOR EXTRA MATERIALS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MIX OF METAL PANEL FIBER, CEMENT, GLASS AND BRICK. AND SO ONE OF THE INCENTIVES ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY ON NON STREET FACING BUILDING ELEVATIONS IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY FOR FACING ELEVATIONS AND SO THE MOST PROMINENT ELEVATIONS THE BUILDING HAVE TO BE 100% COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE WHICH THESE ARE AND AND THE NON STREET FACING STILL THE SAME MIX OF MATERIALS IS THE AMOUNT OF FIBER CEMENT PANELS IS MUCH GREATER AND THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL INCENTIVE THATE HAVE IN E CODE . HERE'S A 3D 3D IMAGE OF ESSENTIALLY THE CORNER THE PROMINENT CORNER YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING, THE PLAZA AND OF COURSE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE UTILIZING THESE SPACES. SO THAT'S I THINK THE INTENT CLEAR BUT THEN IN THE BACKGROUND YOU CAN SEE THE THE RETAIL THE RETAIL MAIN ENTRANCE WHICH MORE OR LESS FACES LYNDALE AND THEN TO THE NORTHO PARKI ALSO TAKES ADVANTAGE OF OJO INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY MET THRESHOLD 20% FOR VERY LOW INCOME 50% AM I LEVEL THEY DO GET A REDUCTION AND WHEN WE DID THE WHEN PLANNER OR DATA THE CALCULATIONS THE REQUIREMENT ONCE THAT WHICHEVER REDUCTIONS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IS 162 SPACES AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ON A 65 AND SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT SEEKING ANY FURTHER REDUCTION IN PARKING ANDOU KNOW AS THE PLANS PROGRESS AND KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S MODIFICATIONS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REMOVE A STALL OR TWO IS IS REALLY BENEFICIAL AND. THAT DOES HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME SO WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS REDEVELOPMENT BOTH FOR THE RESULTING FROM B2R 104 THE DEVELOPING PLANS FOR THE FIVE STOREY 128 UNIT SENIOR PARTNER BUILDING THANK YOU QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. GOLDMAN THANKS CHAIR. I CENTENARIO ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAZA IS INTEND TO HAVE CREATIVE PLAY SPEAKING INVOLVED WITH PROVIDING SOME INPUT ON WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAZA AND CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BUT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF GLENN IF YOU'VE HEARD OF IT THAT'S BEEN IN THAT'S HAPPENED OR IF THAT WAS THE INTENT BUT COULD THERE'S NOTHING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF DO WE THIS I'M THINKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE MORE DEPENDENT ON TRANSIT THAN TYPICAL AND AND I THINK THIS INTERSECTION IS FAIRLY WELL SERVED BY TRANSIT AS FAR AS BLOOMINGTON STANDARDS GO THE SIDEWA THAT EXISTS AUND THIS PROPERTY ON BOTH AMERICA AND LYNDALE IS QUITE WIDE AND BARREN. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THEY CAN GO OUT AND MEASURE IT MYSELF? BUT IF GOOGLE EARTH IS ACCURATE IT'S LIKE 14 FEET WIDE. SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TO GREENING THE THE CURBSIDE OR REMOVING SOME OF THAT PAVEMENT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE WARM OR APPROACHABLE? TRUMAN COMMISSIONERS OF ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW I'M GOING TO LOOK OVER TO ENGINEERING AND I KNOW MR. HAMPTON IF YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO WE ALL KNOW UNFORTUNATELY WHERE IT WILL OR NOT THAT THAT'S OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SOUTH COMMISSIONER CARY THANK YOU CHAIR SO I NOTICED I THINK I READ SOMETHING IN THE APPLICATION ABOUT A FENCED DOG RELIEF AREA I DON'T THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THAT IN THE PLAN. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THAT? CERTAINLY THIS ONE. SO CAN YOU SEE MY CURSOR? MM HMM. COMMISSIONER SO THAT THERE THERE'S FAIR AMOUNT OF ELEVATION CHANGE ON THE SITE AND SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT ,THAT INFLUENCED THE DESIGN. SO THE ENTRANCE INTO THE STRUCTURE PARKING IS RIGHT HERE SO THAT YOU DRIVE RIGHT INTO THE LOWER LEVEL AND THEN YOU KNOW ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A BIT OF A HILL AND THE APPLICANT IS INCORPORATED A LOT OF THERE'S GARDENS NICE WIDE SIDEWALK AND THEN THESE ARE YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRS AND SO YOU'RE GOING AND THEN THIS IS THE DOG ESSENTIALLY SMALL DOG RUN AND I THINK YOU ACTUALLY ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION RIGHT SO THE STRUCTURED PARKING TO CONFIRM IS UNDERGROUND PARKING COMMISSIONER IS YES IT'S EXPOSED ON THE THIS NORTHWEST CORNER WHERE THE GARAGE DOOR IS BUT THEN IS UNDER THE BUILDING. OKAY THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU REFERENCED THE NEED FOR AN EASEMENT WITH RCI? DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN IF THEY COME TO TERMS ON THAT OR IS THAT STILL UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A ANOTHER APPLICATION STONE STREWN ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THAT WAS NOT RESOLVED. IT CAME TO US AND IT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION HERE JEROME AND GOOD QUESTION. IT IS AN EXISTING EASEMENT SO THE EASEMENT IS ALREADY IN PLACE TO THE BENEFIT OF 700 AMERICAN EASEMENT DOES STOP AT A CERTAIN POINT SO THAT THAT INFLUENCED THE DESIGN BUT WHAT THE ACCESS POINTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PLAN IS GET TO THE SITE PLAN SORRY ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE IT ON THIS GRAPHIC IF YOU SEE THIS THIS DASHED LINE HERE. YEAH THAT IS THE AREA OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT RATE SO IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AS FAR AS I KNOW NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE EASEMENT WOULD BE NEEDED. THANK YOU. THIS PROPOSAL EXCELLENT OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARY NATURE JUST KIND OF MORE GENERALLY IN THE APPLICATION IT SAYS THE CITY UNSUCCESSFULLY SOUGHT AND COMPLETED PRELIMINARY REVIEWS AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS NONE OF WHICH RESULTED IN A VIABLE DEVELOPMENT I'M ASSUMING IS THAT REFERRING TO THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN 2012 AND 2022. THIS CONTEXT THERE IS JEROME AND COMMISSIONER CURRY AFTER THE CITY REACQUIRED THE SITE FROM FROZEN TO EAGE IT IN ANOTHER RFP SO A SECOND RFP THIS PROJECT IS THE RESULT OF THE THIRD RFP AFTER THE SECOND RFP THERE WAS A SEVERAL YEARS WHERE THE CITY NEGOTIATED WITH HY-VEE FOR A SMALLER THEY CALLED IT A HEALTH MARKET IN THE RANGE OF 15,000 SQUARE FOOT YOU KNOW CVS, WALGREENS SIZEND BUILDING BUTHAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION. OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ZONING, I THINK YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 69 UNITS AN ACRE RATHER THAN 100 UNITS NACRE AND I MEAN I'M JUST PICKING THESE THINGS UP AND MY FIFTH MEETING LET'S SAY OUR M 50 I ASSUME IS 50 UNITS PER ACRE. WHY ARE WE GOING WITH OUR M 100 OVER OUR 50 WHICH IS SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A FIT OR ACTUALLY MEETS THAT COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS THE ANSWER 50 GENERALLY EQUATES TO A CAP DENSITY CAP. OKAY WE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW R.M. PLUS A NUMBER DISTRICTS STARTS AT 12 SO AND THEN GOES UP TO 24 AND THEN 50 AND THEN 100 SO THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS DENSITY PER DENSITY UNIT I'M SORRY DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE CAP. GOT IT. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO ALSO GO A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT BUT JUST ON THE BASELINE THE 50 UNITS PER ACR IS THE CAP FOR OUR 50 AND WHEN YOU GO ABOVE THAT YOU'RE YOU JUMP INTO THE ARM 100 CATEGORY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BUT THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM YOU COULD COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATIE ANTHONY . I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELMENT WITH SCHAFER RIARDSON WHERE T DEVELOPER ON THE SITE CHAIR ROHMAN DID I GET THAT RIGHT AND COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR SITE PLAN TODAY. MIKE I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB PINCH HITTING FOR LIZ O'DAY. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THE SITE WAS MENTIONED WE APPLIED FOR THE RFP A YEAR AGO AND WAS SELECTED AS THE DEVELOPER AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH A FEW ITERATIONS OF PLANS FOR THIS SITE BASED O SOME OF THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF BOTH THE PLANNING STAFF AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY PLUS THE ZONING CODE . AND SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY WITH A PLAN THAT I THINK MAXIMIZES THE GOALS OF THE CITY FOR THE SITE IN TERMS OF THE MIXED USE NATURE OF IT ACTIVATING A VERY IMPORTANT CORNER IN THIS GATEWAY AND PROVIDING REALLY IMPORTANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PARTICULAR RELIEF FOR SENIORS WHICH I KNOW ISN'T SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR PURVIEW BUT IT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS LOCATION. I THINK THE DETAILS OF OF WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING HAVE BEEN COVERED REALLY WELL. PART OF THE REASON FOR THE THE REZONING REQUEST IT FELT LIKE IT COULD HAVE STAYED AS B TO OR MOVED TO OUR M 101 REALLY FELT LIKE A BETTER FIT FOR THE SITE AND IT STILL MEETS THE GOALS OF THE THE GUIDANCE OF REGIONAL COMMERCIAL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH RCI AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS INCLUDING KIND OF JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. SO WE ARE BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT. I THINK OVERALL IT'LL BE A PLUS FOR THEM. HOPEFULLY THEY SEE IT THE SAME WAY BUT WE ARE WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE. WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO WORK IN BLOOMINGTON FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK WITH THAT I'LL JUST TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR US. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND THIS COULD BE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A QUESTION FOR STAFF BUT IT MIGHT BE BEST FOR Y TO REVIEW IS CAN YOU TELL ME JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU YOU PLAN TO PROVIDE TO THE RESIDENTS? SO A LOT OF THESE APPLICANTS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A PARTY ROOM OR STORAGE OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF AMENITIES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. CAN YOU TALK TO THAT? SURE. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. WE'RE STILL BUILDING OUT SOME OF THAT. WE'RE JUST IN THE EARLY STAGES OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. BUT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE POPULATION THAT WE INTEND TO SERVE WE'RE WORKING TO REFINE THE AMENITIES TO REALLY SERVE THAT POPULATION. SO THINKING ABOUT NOT JUST THE ESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING BUT REALLY THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING HERE ARE A COMMUNITY SPACE. SO PARTY ROOM MAYBEORE ABOUT BUILDING COMMUNITY. KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE IN BUILDING MAYBE MORE THAN A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK IN AND OUT MORE FREQUENTLY. WE HAVE AN ACTIVATED LOBBY THAT WE'RE PLANNING SO SPACE WHERE THERE'S A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE SITE STAFF THERE'S ONSITE MANAGEMENT AS PART OF THE BUILDING WE WHAT WE'RE CALLING A LIBRARY WHICH WILL BE KIND OF A FLEXIBLE COMMUNITY SPACE. SO IT MIGHT BE FOR YOU KNOW, BOOK CLUBS OR YOU KNOW, GAMES OR PUZZLES OR JUST KIND OF GETTING TOGETHER. WE HAVE FITNESS ROOM THAT WILL HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S TARGETED TOWARDS AN OLDER POPULATION. WE HAVE KIND OF A WELLNESS SPACE THAT'S APART FROM THAT FOR RESIDENTS WHO MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND WORK WANT TO BE IN A MORE PRIVATE SETTING BUT NOT IN THEIR UNITS NECESSARILY. THE UNDERGROUND PKING WASN'T TOUCHEDND YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT BUT THE UNDERGROUND PARKING ACTUALLY EXTENDS BEYOND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. SO THAT WILL BE CONDITIONED OBVIOUSLY FROM A AN ABILITY TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SNOW AND ICE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN THE WINTER . I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS EXTEOR. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THE PLAZA ON, THE LYNDALE AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD SIDE IN ADDITION TO THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS YOU KNOW, SHELTERED FROM KIND OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT EXISTS ON THAT CORNER WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BUSIER, A LITTLE MORE ACTIVATED. WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE A COURTYARDPACE WITH SOME OUTDOOR SEATING, LOT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THERE THAT CONNECTS. WEE STILL WORKING OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT BUT CONNECTS TO THE COMMUNITY ROOM WE HAVE SOME RAISED GARDEN BEDS THAT ARE PLANNED PLANNED OUT THERE FOR FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE ARE MOVING OUT OF THEIR HOME AND ARE USED TO HAVING THAT LAND WHERE THEY CAN DO SOME OF THAT GARDENING. THE DOG RUN WAS TOUCHED ON ALREADY. THAT'S A SUPER POPULAR AMENITY AT OUR AT OUR BUILDINGS WE WILL WILL WILL ALLOW PETS OF MAN DIFFERENT TYPES IN THIS BUILDING AS WELL. I THINK THAT MOST OF THE AMENITY SPACES WITHIN THIS BUILDING. THANK Y. OTHER QUESTNS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER CURRY NATURE IN TERMS OF PARKING SEE SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S I SEE THE STALLS OUTSIDE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S UNDERGROUND PARKING. IS ALL OF THE PARKING AT THE BUILDING FREE OR IS UNDERGROUND IS THERE A COST TO UNDERGROUND PARKING? COMMISSIONER CURRY GREAT QUESTION. AS PART OF THE WHOLE AND RECEIVING THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THAT FOR PARKING REDUCTION WE ARE NOT CHARGING FOR PARKING THIS PARTICULAR SITE. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU HAS THERE BEEN DO YOU GUYS DO ANY SORT OF MARKET STUDY IN TERMS OF DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF USE IN THE AREA AND JUST KIND OF EXPECTED ONGOING DEMAND VERSUS SUPPLY IN THE AREA? COMMISSIONER CURRY, WE WE DO HAVE A MARKET STUDY THAT'S UNDERWAY THAT WILL BE UPDATED AS WE TOWARDS CLOSING. WE DO OUR OWN MARKET STUDY THAT IT'S A THIRD PARTY AS WELL AND THAT DAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING HERE. CERTAINLY BLOOMINGTON IS A COMMUNITY, A STRONG COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT WANT TO LIVE, RAISE FAMILIES HERE IN SOME CASES THEY WANT TO STAY HERE. MAYBE THEIR FAMILY OR THEIR ROOTS ARE HERE ALREADY. AND SO PROVIDING THAT CONTINUUM OF HOUSING, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS THERE IS A NEED THERE AND OF COURSE FREES UP HOUSING'S MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES OR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN AND KIND OF CONTINUE GROWING THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER IN . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MS. ANTHONY BUILDING OFF THE LAST QUESTION SENIOR HOUSING AT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL I MEAN YOU'RE ON TWO VERY BUSY STREETS HERE A SIDEWALK THAT DOESN'T HAVE GRASSY AREA THAT MR. TRUMAN WAS THINKING ABOUT. YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SENIORS AT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL , COMMISSIONER KOTIN GOOD GOOD QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'LL SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN THAT THE BUILDING CREATES A STRONG CORNER THERE BUT IT ALSO IS SET BACK A LITTLE BIT AND WE'VE GONE AND FORTH ON ON HOW THAT CORNER REALLY GETS USED. IF PEOPLE WILL WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SITTING OUT THERE IT'S THE SOUTH FACING SIDE. I THINK FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE THERE'S OUTSIDE SPACE IN ADDITION TO THE BALCONIES THAT WILL BE OFF OF SOME OF THE UNITS FOR PEOPLE TO THAT'S AWAY FROM THE BUSY STREET IF THEY SO DESIRE IN ADDITION TO THAT KIND OF CREATING THOSE THE SIDEWALKSHAT KIND OF CONNECT AWAY FROM THE STREET. I THINK FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THE THE SITE IS TRANSIT ORIENTED IN THE CONTEXT THAT THERE ARE BUS LINES THAT RUN NORTH SOUTH AS WELL AS EAST WEST IN THIS LOCATION AND. I THINK THAT WILL BE A BIG AMENITY. WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS GOES AT THIS POINT BUT ON YOU KNOW WHAT THAT BUS STOP LIKE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THE BUS. YOU KNOW IF THERE'S IF IT'S A SIGN AND SOMEONE'S STANDING THERE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AS A AS COMFORTABLE OR SAFE TO USE YOUR TERM FOR SENIORS WAITING FOR THE BUS AND SO WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS WE KIND OF BUILD OUT THE PLAN. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN I'M WONDERING IN SUCH A TIGHT SPACE HOW THE SNOW REMOVAL GOING TO AFFECT THIS AREA? GOD FORBID WE HAVE SNOW LIKE WE DID LAST YR BUTNYTHING IS POSSIBLE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING THE TAKE ON THAT. YEP. COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN GOOD QUESTION. IT'S ONE THAT YOUR CITY STAFF ASKS AS WELL SO WE ARE PLANNING WE HAVE SOME CORNERS OF THE SITE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR SNOW STORAGE FOR ,THE PARKING SURFACE PARKING LOT WHICH IS FAIRLY LIMITED IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. MOST OF THE PARKING IS UNDER UNDERGROUND IF THE PART IF WE GET SNOW LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR, WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS IS HAUL IT OFFSITE AND THAT'S WHAT W DO AT OUR OER MULTI-FAMILY WHO WHO RUN INTO THAT SITUATION WHERE THE PARKING IS IN HIGH DEMAND AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OUT AND THERE'S MORE THAN THE REST OF THE SITE CAN HANDLE. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE TO REMOVE THE EXCESS SITE THE SNOW FROM THE SITE. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU. WHERE ELSE IN THE METRO AREA DO YOU HAVE THESE TYPES OF SITE PLANS BESIDES WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN BLOOMINGTON? SURE. COMMISSIONER, WE DEVELOP ACROSS T TWIN CITIES AND THROUGHOUT THE UPPER MIDWEST SO WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY SITES IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL. WE'VE DEVELOPED IN EDINA RICHFIELD, WHITE BEAR LAKE BLAINE. SO WE HAVE SIMILAR PROJECTS ACROSS THE AREA. WE DO BOTH AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY. SO WE HAVE FAIRLY GOOD DATA ON HOW THESE BUILDINGS OPERATE AND GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THEM FUNCTION WELL. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS THE APPLINT MICHELLE GOLDSON. THANKS CHAIR. AS WE WERE TALKING I WAS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS REALLY AROUND LOGISTICS AND SITE FLOW FOR PEOPLE MOVING IN IN AND MOVING OUT OF THEIR UNITS. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE TO HAVE MOVING TRUCK COME AND MOVE SOMEBODY IN AND OR MOVING PEOPLE OUT? YES. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, IF YOU LOOK A THE NORWEST CORNER OF THE SITE PLAN WHERE THERE'S A CURB CUT THAT COMES IN FROM THE NORTH SIDE INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE PAD THAT HEADS OFF TO THE EAST THERE. YEP, RIGHT THERE. SO THE INTENT OF THAT IS THAT A PARKING TRUCK COULD COME IN TO THAT LOCATION AND THEN USE THE GARAGE DOOR TO LOAD AND UNLOAD THE TRUCK. THERE ARE TWO ELEVATOR BANKS WITHIN BUILDING. ONE IS ON THE CORNER. THEY'RE BOTH. THEY BOTH EXIST IN THE KNUCKLES OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE IS AN ELEVATOR THAT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE. PERFEC THK. COMMISSIONER COOKSON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. ANTHONY BOTH ELEVATORS SERVE ALL FLOORS. COMMISSIONER COOKMAN CORRECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN THANK YOU. IN REGARDS TO THIS LITTLE SPACE THAT YOU MENTIONED, ONE THING COMES TO MIND IS GARBAGE AND HOW THE TRUCK WILL ACCESS THE BUILDING OR THE AREA AND HOW THAT WILL BE MANAGED. YEP. COMMISONER MCGOVERN SIMILAR IN A SIMILAR FASHION. IT WILL BE THAT THAT NODE BY THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE SO THERE'S TRASH CHUTES AND RECYCLING CHUTES IN THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE IN ON THAT. YEP EXACTLY WHERE OVER ON THE KIND OF WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S WHERE THE TRASH ROOM IS. SO THE TRASH TRUCK WILL PULL IN OUTSIDE. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE GARAGE AND WE'LL EITHER THE WAY THAT WE TYPICALLY DO THAT IS EITR THE HAULING COMPANY WL ACCESS HAVE ACCESS INTO THE GARAGE TO PULL THE DUMPSTERS OUT AND LOAD THEM UP ON THE TRUCK OR OUR SITE STAFF STAFF OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM OR CARETAKERS WILL PULL THE DUMPSTERS OUT TO THAT PAD OUTSIDE TO HAVE THEM PICKED UP THAT WAY. AND DOES THAT INCLUDE RECYCLING? YES AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CORY NATURE THE THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL HOW DID YOU GUYS LAND ON 1500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE? COMMISSIONER CURRIE IT'S AN ART AND A SCIENCE. NO, I IT WAS IMPORTANT WE KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THIS CORNER. COMMERCIAL SPACE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A LITTLE TRICKY TERMS OF THE FINANCING MECHANISMS THAT ARE USED. SO WE TRY BALANCE THE QUANTITY OF COMMERCIAL SPACE WITH WITH KIND OF THE SIZE OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING. WE THINK THAT 1500 SQUARE FEET IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AND AND GIVEN SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS WITH PARKINGND ND OF ACCESS IN E SITE IS GOOD SIZE TO GET A TENANT A COMMERCIAL TENANT INTO THE SPACE ONE THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO BUT IDEALLY THAT SIZE IS IS SUITS MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF KIND OF SMALLER USES AND THE OTHER THING IS BY PROVIDING TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL SPACE SOMETIMES WE RUN INTO SITUATIONS IT SITS VACANT FOR A WHILE AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A CORNER AND ACTIVE CORNER OF THE BUILDING THAT IS JUST IS JUST VACANT. SO WE LANDED ON 1500 BECAUSE IT KIND OF WORKS WITH THE MODEL OF HOUSING WE'RE DOING WE FEEL AND MEETS THE CITY'S GOALS WITHOUT OF OVEREXTENDING ON THAT PIECE AND POTENTIALLY RUNNING INTO ISSUES OF VACANT GROUND FLOOR SPACE. SOUNDS GOOD THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANKS. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE CHAMBER WHO WOULD LIKE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SEEING NONE AND SEEING THAT ONLINE I WOULD ENTERTAIN MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING LOSS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AS CLOSED DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSAL. COMMISSIONER CORY NATURE I GUESS IS KIND OF ALONG THE VEIN THAT COMMISSIONER COOKED IN WASND BROUGHT UP SENIOR CITIZENS IN A I THINK I PERSONALLY I HAVE A BIT OF A CONCERN HAVING SENIOR CITIZENS AT SUCH A BUSY CORNER WITH A PATIO SITTING ON THE CORNER DOG PARK IN THE AREA. I JUST WONDER I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THE SPACE OR IF IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S IN THE AREA . I MEAN I UNDERSTAND LIMITATIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FINANCING. I GET THAT. SO I HAVE TO HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE AREA. BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE MORE COMMERCIAL ON THAT BUSY CORNER . QUESTIONER MCGOVERN I THINK CATCHER I HAVE TO ECHO THAT WITH COMMISSIONER GRAY IN THAT I'M ON THAT CORNER SHOPPING. IT IS A BUSY CORNER AND WITH TRAFFIC AND THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS I DO GET A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SENIORS ON THAT CORNER. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I LOVE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE. THE TRAFFIC IN AND SENIORS ON THAT CORNER IS A LITTLE CONCERNING FOR ME. COMMISSIONER COOKED IN MR. CHAIR THANKS I THINK WHAT WELL WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME HELP ON PERHAPS FROM OUR TASK IS U KNOW THIS IS WE HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS HERE AND SO WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT USE TO JUDGE WHETHER AN APPLICATION IS SUBJECT TO OUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. AND SO I GUESS MAYBE IF YOU'LL ALLOW I'LL ASK MR. TOSCHI DOES A MINDSET OF THINKING SOMETHING'S NOT A GOOD FIT DOES THAT DOES THAT A HOW DOES THAT TIE IN WITH THE FINDINGS WE HAVEO MAKE FORHIS APPLICATION? ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY TASK THANKS CHAIR. COMMISSIONER COOKED IN ? YEAH. YOU HAVE SIX SIX FINDINGS YOU NEED TO MAKE LIKE CHAIR ROHMAN TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING. IT'S NOT THE YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT EVALUATING THE PROJECT YOU WANT YOUR YOU'RE EVALUATING THE PROJECT THAT THEY'VE PUT FORWARD WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S THE BEST FIT OR NOT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. YOU HAVE TO APPLY THE APPLICATION TO THE SIX FINDINGS YOU NEED TO MAKE UNDER CITY CODE FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARGUABLY THE TWO THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU HAD BEEN DISCUSSING OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MINUTES WOULD BE POSSIBLY NUMBER FIVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CREATING AN EXCESSIVE BURDEN ON PARK SCHOOLS, STREETS OR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES OR NUMBER SIX PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE AND YOUR INJURIOUS TO THE SURROUNDING OR OTHERWISE HARM THE PUBLIC SAFETY PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE SO YOU KNOW LOOKING AT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC I WOULD SURMISE AND PUT FORWARD TO YOU THAT YOU KW, IT'S A IS A BROAD TOPIC BUT IT'S THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE NOT JUST THOSE OF THE THAT MIGHT BE LIVING THERE. SO I GUESS THEY'RE PART OF IT BUT AND THEN JUST FOR FURTHER INFORMATION FOR FOR THE COMMISSION AND FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY BE TUNED IN , ALL THREE OF THEM ARE WHEN IT'S A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS THE LEVEL OF DISCRETION INCREASE OR IS IT THE SAME? CHAIR ROHMAN WELL WELL THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT YOUR YOUR REZONING TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SO IT'S A YOU HAVE PRETTY WIDE DISCRETION THERE YOUR AND YOU'RE NOT DOING A QUASI JUDICIAL FUNCTION SO IN THE REZONING PIECE A REZONING YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BASED ON A WIDE YOU KNOW, VARIETY OF THINGS PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE SO THAT WOULD BE THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION WHEN YOU WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN YOU'RE APPLYING THAT THE APPLICATION AGAINST THOSE IS THAT ARE IN THE CITY CODE SO YOUR DISCRETION IS MUCH MORE LIMITEDO THOSE ITEMS. SO HERS A LITTLE MIX HERE. YEP, THAT'S GOOD. UM, I WOULD I GUESS I HEAR I HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS KERRY MCGOVERN ARE SAYING. I THINK I HAVE A DIFFERENT ON A FACILITY AND AGAIN WHERE WE ARE AND AREN'T ALLOWED TO MOVE FROM BUT JUST MY OBSERVATION IS THIS IS A FACILITY THAT IS INDEPENDENT LIVING FOR INDIVIDUALS ABOVE I THINK SENIOR LIVING IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED AGE 55 WHICH SOME OF US ARE WELL WE'RE ALL GETTING CLOSER THAT MANY OF US ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT EVERY DAY. BUT IT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE A GROUP HOME, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE LESS INDEPENDENT. SO AGAIN OR NOT THAT'S A FACTOR THAT'S CONSIDERED IN THIS. I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION I HAVE. I THINK I DID HEAR THE QUESTION OF TRANSIT AND I THINK TT I WOULD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW DIRECT THE CITY BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO WORK WITH METRO TRANSIT AT THOSE STATION STOPS BECAUSE TWO OF THEM ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD BECAUSE OF THE 484 ISSUE TO GET SOME BENCHES AND OR SHELTERS THERE ESPECIALLY IF I DON'T KNOW AND THE SENIOR POPULATION WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT I KNOW IN OUR NON SENIOR POPULATION OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MORE LIKELY TO USE TRANSIT WHICH IS WHY WE OFFER THAT FLEXIBILITY AND SO I WOULD YOU KNOW OR MAYBE IF IT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY FUNDS IT AGAIN A SHELTER AND A BENCH I THINK IS A IS A WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT THERE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING THAT RED COLORED CONCRETE OUT AND MAKING THAT SIDEWALK BETTER I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOT IT'S CODE COMPLIANT BUT IT'S IT'S A VERY HOSTILE PLACE TO WALK AND THAT'S YOU KNOW BUT I CAN'T WE HAVE A SIDEWALK RIGHT. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THAT OR IT'S A COUNTY OR BOTH COUNTY ROADS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO WITH THAT BUT I MEAN THE ONLY WH THE COUNTY ANYWAYS GENERALLY SPEAKING I THINK YOU KNOW THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE ARE IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE INTERSECTION IT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UM THAT IN OUT ON AMERICAN CAN BE CHALLENGING AND I FINISH SAYING EARLIER THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH INDEPENDENT LIVING BUT EVEN FOR ANY OF US IT CAN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE IT CAN BE IT CAN BE HARD AND BUT IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS FOR ENGINEERING I'M GUESSING SO THERE WE ARE. I COOKED AND MR. CHAIR, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. I BELIEVE LYNDALE IS A CITY. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. CINCINNATI. YES, JEROME AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN LYNDALE IN AMERICA IN OUR CITY STREETS. WRONG AND WRONG. THEN CORRECTED. HEY COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU LIKE I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RECENT PRECEDENT FOR REZONING ALONG AMERICAN POLICE. WITHIN THE LAST YEAR THE CITY DID ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD TO RESIDENTIAL AT KNOX AVENUE. KIND OF A SIMILAR SITE THAT WAS 99 UNIT BUILDING FURTHER WEST THE CITY HAS RISEN FOR SENIOR PROJECTS IN THE NORMAN DALE AREA ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND THEN TO MARKET RATE KNOWLEDGE RESTRICTED PROJECTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND NORMANDALE LAKE AND THEN IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT RECENTLY. THE CITY'S APPROVED A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL USE ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD NEAR 34TH AVENUE. SO JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THAT CONTEXT AND I, I KNOW I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE AND I KNOW I WAS GIVEN AN EXCELLENT AND I KNOW I DON'T REMEMBER THE ANSWER WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PROJECT AT 93RD AND LYNDALE. THE ONE THAT'S NEARING COMPLETION BY THE CHICKEN. MY QUESTION I BELIEVE WAS DOES DESIGNATING A PROPERTY SENIOR APARTMENTS AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL LOCK THEM INTO BEING SENIOR APARTMENTS IN PERPETUITY? I CAN TAKE A CRACK AT THAT TERM COMMISSIONERS. THE APPLICATION IS FOR SENIOR AND WE WE HAVE WE DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS BASED ON THAT. THERE'S DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT WE APPLY WHETHER IT'S SENIOR OR NON AGE RESTRICTED THE PARKING STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR ONE THING THERE'S ALSO STORAGE THAT'S HOW HANDLE STORAGE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO USE CATEGORIES SO IT WOULDN'T BE IMPOSSIBLE TO CONVERT A SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO NON AGE RESTRICTED BUT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR REFERRAL TO REVIEW IT. OKAY THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANK CHAIR. ON LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OBVIOUSLY WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OUS I'M ACTUALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE WAY THAT IT ADDS VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY IN PROVIDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OPENING UP HOUSING STOCK FOR GROWING FAMILIES. I THINK ABOUT COMMISSIONER WHO ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT FAMILIES AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES TO COME INTO BLOOMINGTON AND AND I RIGHT NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AGING IN PLACE THAT WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A BUSY STREET AND HAVE ACTIVATION HAVE YOU KNOW TRAFFIC TO TO WATCH. I KNOW JUST YOU KNOW THE VARIETY OF OF EVENTS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THEIR CORNER MAKES THAT INTERESTING AND EXCITING BUT REALLY OPENING UP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR FOR FAMILIES THAT WANT TO BE HERE, RAISE THEIR CHILDREN HERE, POTENTIALLY WORK HERE I THINK IS A GREAT IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM TO START TO REVITALIZE THE CITY IN THAT WAY. I ALSO LIKE THAT THIS HAS A LOT OF AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY BEING LOW INCOME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'VE SKIMPED ON THE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE LIBRARY OR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF THAT CENTRALIZED IN THE CREEKSIDE CENTER BUT YOU KNOW FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO DRIVE ON THAT IN AND OUT ON AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STAY CLOSER TO HOME. THE COMMERCIA SPACE AND I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS WITHOUT WE DON'T HAVE VISIBILITY INTO THE FUTURE BUT IT'D BE INTERESTIN SEE WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE WOULD BE THERE IDEALLY YOU KNOW IT'D BE SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD USE OR. AND I'M THINKING IF I WAS A RESIDENT THERE IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE LIKE A LITTLE CAFE OR COFFEE SHOP THERE JUST SO THAT I CAN GO DOWN DRINK MY COFFEE AND CROCHET. THAT'S JUST ME. BUT OVERALL I THINK YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE HOUSING. IS THIS CORNER EXACTLY THE PERFECT LOCATION? NO, BUT I ALSO SEE IT BEING A LOT OF INTERESTING AND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTIVATE THAT SPACE AND BE THE URBAN THAT WE ARE. SO OVERALL I THINK IT'S IT'S A GREAT USE OF THE SPACE. IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LOT OF LONG, LONG TIME SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARY A COMPLETE THANK YOU. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN'S COMMENTS. MY ONLY QUESTION IS IN CREATING AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING RENTALS. DO WE EXPECT A LOT OF BLOOMINGTON HOMEOWNERS TO BE MOVING FROM OWNING A HOME INTO RENTING AN AFFORDABLE APARTMENT? IS THAT GOING TO BE IS THAT WHERE THE THE RENTERS ARE GOING TO COME FROM? ARE THEY GOING TO COME FROM SENIOR FAMILIES OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THINKING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME FROM. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO KNOW. IS THERE A GERMAN COMMISSIONER CURRY? YES. THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW FOR CERTAIN. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT ANECDOTALLY WE'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS OF SENIOR HOUSING IN BLOOMINGTON THAT ROUGHLY 50% OF THE OCCUPANTS ON AVERE COME FROM BLOOMINGTON. NOW NOT ALL OF THOSE 50% ARE GOING TO BE HOMEOWNERS. SOME WILL BE RENTERS BUT FOR SURE SOME WILL BE HOMEOWNERS. SO WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 40 UNITS THAT WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE, CERTAINLY SOME HOMES WITHIN THE CITY WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE AND WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS MOVING FORWARD. THANKS. SO YEAH I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING THINK THIS IS A THIS IS A FINE APPLICATION I CAN BE SECOND SUPPORTED YOU KNOW TO THE POINT OF HOW WE ARE IF WE ARE NOT ALREADY WE WILL SOON BE AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE SO THEY MAY WANT TO BE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HERE AND THEY'RE STAYING OR THEY MAY WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS FINALLY THEY CAN THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO BE SOLVED WITH THIS APPLICATION. BUT I DO THINK THAT AT SOME POINT WILL IT BE IN TEN YEARS? WILL IT BE IN 15 YEARS? ARE APPROVING DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE MARKET FOR SENIOR HOUSING AND JUST DEMOGRAPHICS SAY PEOPLE MY AGE, PEOPLE YOUNGER THAN ME THERE ARE FEWER THAN THEM. WE'LL COME BACK AFTER THAT. BUT WE GOING TO HAVE A GAP WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF THIS AND SO WE ARE SOME POINT GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A DEMAND FOR HOUSING BUT HOW WILL WE BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE FALL WHEN OUR WHEN WE HAVE THAT NATURAL FALLOFF IN THE DEMAND FOR THAT? ANDO AGAIN IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT GIVES ME PAUSE WITH THIS BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS A CITY AND AS A COMMISSION AGAIN MAYBE TEN YEARS, MAYBE 15 YEARS. AND THEN THIS BUILDINGS WILL STILL BE IN FINE SERVICEABLE SHAPE BUT THEY MAY HAVE SOME NEEDS TO FOR THAT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT HOLD ME BACK FROM THIS BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT. COMMISSIONER COOK IN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOU KNOW YOU AND I AND COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN WERE JUST AT AN EVENT LAST EVENING AND ONEF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT I THINK I TALKED ABOUT A LOT WAS THAT A HEALTHY COMMISSION DISAGREES WITH EACH OTHER. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE I DO DISAGREE WITH SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS APPLICATION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. I DON'T THINK SENIORS ARE A GOOD FIT AT THIS AT THIS SITE WALKED OUT LAST NIGHT AFTER I LEFT CITY HALL AND IT'S BUSY AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE BIG AND I JUST DON'T FIND IT TO BE A TERRIBLY GD FIT FOR SENIO. D ALONG WITH THAT, I JUST THINK THIS PARCEL IN PARTICULAR YOU KNOW, WE SOMEBODY SAID IT AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES TONIGHT THAT THIS A MAJOR VISIBLE IMPORTANT PARCEL TO THE CITY AND TO END UP WITH AN APPLICATION THAT'S FIVE STORIES OF SENIOR HOUSING TO ME IS DISAPPOINTING. WE CAN GET FIVE STORIES OF SENIOR HOUSING ON ANY ONE ON HUNDREDS OF PARCELS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT THAT WORKS . AND I WAS HOPING FOR MORE HERE THIS IS A GATEWAY TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND IT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE AS YOU ENTER IO OUR FUTURE LYNDALE CORRIDOR THAT'S PART OF THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN AND I WANTEDO SEE SOMETHING THAT WAS INSPIRING THAT TOLD TOLD PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE ENTERED BLOOMINGTON AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SPECTACULAR AND THIS FOR ME AND I DON'T I JUST DON'T CARE FOR WHAT'S BEEN PUT BEFORE US AND AND TRUTHFULLY THIS ISN'T WHAT WE SAW WHEN WE DID THE RFP. THIS IS TO ME VERY DIFFERENT APPLICATION THAN WHAT WAS PUT BEFORE THE CITY IN THE RFP PROCESS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH LESS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DURING THE RFP PROCESS IF IT WAS FIVE STORIES OF SENIOR HOUSING AND . I, I JUST THINK THERE'S EVEN JUST ON LYNDALE YOU COULD PROBABLY FIND FOUR DOZEN PARCELS THAT WERE FOUR OR FIVE STORIES A SENIOR HOUSING AND I WISH IT WASN'T 700 AMERICAN THAT WAS GETTING IT I REALLY WISH WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING MORE BUT HAVE FINDINGS TO MAKE AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY LEGAL AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE FAIR THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PURCHASE THIS PARCEL AND LANDOWNERS HAVE RIGHTS AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY CHOOSE WH IT SO LON AS 'S CODE COMPLIANT AND WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT AND YES, I THINK SENIORS ARE A POOR FIT HERE BUT I ALSO THINK THE MARKET WILL SORT ITSELF OUT A LITTLE BIT ITSELF OUT A LITTLE BIT THAT IF I WERE TRYING TO FIND A A HOME FOR MY AGING PARENTS AND I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS SITE, I WOULDN'T PUT THEM THERE. AND SO I DO THINK THE MARKET WILL SORT THAT SELF OUT. SO I CAN'T MAKE A FINDING THAT SAYS THIS IS DANGEROUS OR DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO WITH THAT I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY POSITION BY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION ANY OTHER DISCUSSION I HAVE I APPRECIATE THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK IT'S IT'S VERY INDICATIVE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE ABOUT WHERE WE WE HAVE WHAT IS OUR ABILITY AS A COMMISSION TO INFLUENCE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE VERSUS WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY INFLUENCE AND OUR ROLE SO I APPRECIATE I ACTULY VERY MUCH ARECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS THE TOPIC AND I ALSO APPRECIATE WHERE YOU FIND WHERE WE WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR EMOTION. COMMISSIONER GOLDSON IF I MAY MAKE A MOTION PLEASE IN CASE PEOPLE 2023-178 AND MOVED TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A REZONING FROM TO PD TO OUR M 100 PD AT 700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST THIS SECOND THANK YOU WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REZONING AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANKS IN CASE PEOPLE 2023-178 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A FIVE STORY 128 UNIT SENIOR SENIOR APARTMENTS AND 1500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE LOCATED AT 700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO GOOD. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO RECOMMEND PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I PROPOSED OPPOSE PASSES SORRY OPPOD POST THANK Y THE MOTION PASSES THIS WILL ON THE DECEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF THERE. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A STUDY ITEM. IT IS A REVIEW OF THE TEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT DONE THIS WITH US BEFORE, OUR JOB IN REVIEWING THE CFP IS TO FIND IF IT IS OR IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SENIOR PLANNER JOHNSON HAS ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE DETAILS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I WILL CORRECT ONE BRIEF THING YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER ON THIS STUDY ITEM ACTION. I THINK LISTEN TO ME AND I'M TELLING THE CHAIR WHAT TO DO. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT SORRY. NO,O I'M GOOD. YES. SO THIS IS AN ANNUAL ACTION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU EVERY YEAR AND AS CHAIRMAN MENTIONED ,THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THIS CASE IS TO REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ASSOCIATED. I SHOULD NOTE THAT CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER LARRY ECONOMY SHOULDER IS ONLINE. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT STAFF ARE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF AS THEY ARE THE MAN MAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THE CFP EVERY YEAR. SO I WILL GO ON HERE AND LORI CAN EXPLAIN THIS EVEN PROBABLY PERHAPS BETTER THAN I CAN BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SO IT IS A TEN YEAR PLANNING TOOL THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO PLAN ITS PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF CITY FACILITIES IN A WAY THAT MATCHES UP WITH ITS FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS AND PROJECTIONS. SO IT TYPICALLY RUNS IN A TEN YEAR TIMELINE OF THE PROJECTS LISTED THEREIN ARE ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS ABOVE THE $50,000 LIMIT. THE CFP DOCUMENT ITSELF PROVIDES A SUMMARY OF ALL THE MAJO CATEGORIES PROJECTS INCLUDED THEREIN. ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THE CFP IS THAT WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES ACTION ON A CFP WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS INITIATE PLANNING FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF PROJECTS SO THE CITY IT'S DONE EVERY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THEY GO BACK AND ALL THE PRIORITIES OF ALL THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CFP AND I BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO AUTHORIZE ALL PROJECTS ABOVE $175,000 IN COST SOEPARATE ACTIONS IN ADDITION TO THE CITY'S BUDGETING PROCESS BUT SEPARATE DELIBERATE ACTIONS HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY INITIATE THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES. THERE WE GO. SO GETTING BACK TO THAT PLANNING COMMISSION ROLE SO WHERE DOES IT WHERE DOES IT ORIGINATE FROM? IT IS ACTUALLY IN STATE STATUTES THAT THE PLANNING AGENCY HAS TO REVIEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AGAINST ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO IT HAS TO REVIEW IT FOR COMPLIANCE WIT THAT PLAN. SO THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE DESIGNATED AGENCY FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO IT IS YOUR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THE CIP FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WHAT DOES COMPLIANCE MEAN TO THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CERTAINLY DOES REFERENCE A LOT OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS THEREIN BUT MANY PROJECTS PARTICULARLY DOWN TO SMALLER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS RELATED TO UTILITIES OR TRANSPORTATION. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN A PLANNING DOCUMENT THE SIZE OR SCOPE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK TO COMPLIANCE, IF THERE WAS A PROJECT LISTED IN THE CAP THAT WAS CLEARLY IN CONFLICT SAY THE CITY HAD SAY THAT A CITY OR A COMMUNITY HAD AN AREA THAT WAS DESIGNATED FOR THAT NATURE PRESERVE AS AN UNSERVED UNDEVELOPED AREA AND A CITY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WAS EXTENDING SANITARY SEWER IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF A BEING IN CONFLICT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO AS I MENTIONED THE ANNUAL CIP IS A TEN YEAR PLANNING WINDOW. THE DOCUMENT IS AVAILLE ONLINE. IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. IT'S OVER 300 PAGES LONG SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF JUST FOR REFERENCE IT IS AVAILABLE AND I SHOULD NOTE THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED ALL THE PJECTS IN THE SIP. ONE THING I DIDN'T ADD TO THE SLIDE THOUGH IN TERMS IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS I HAVE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW DOES THE PUBLIC ENGAGE WITH THE SIP PROCESS THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED AT THE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATED TO TAKE ACTION ON AND THAT' ON DECEMBER 18TH. SO THEY DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THE ADOPTION OF THE SIP. SO SIMILAR TO PAST YEARS THE THIS YEAR'S SIP DOES HAVE FIVE CATEGORIES OF IMPROVEMENTS OR GENERAL PROJECTS CITY FACILITIES, PARK DEVELOPMENT, SEWER WATER AND SOUTH LOOP AND THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS ARE IN REALLY HAVE A VERY WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES AS JOR PROJECTS NOTEDN THIS YEAR'S CIP MAYBE, THE BIGGEST OF ALL IS THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER. A NUMBER OF FIRE STATIONS ARE BEING REBUILT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. PUBLIC WORKS IS PLANNING FOR A NEW WELL IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC WORKS BUT IT CERTAINLY SERVES A LOT OF PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS BUT A PUBLIC AND EQUIPMENT AND MAINTENANCE GARAGE RATHER FOR SERVICING THE FULL CITY'S FLEET THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN RENOVATIONS AND MANY RENOVATIONS AND URADES TO OTHER CITY FACILITIES. THERE'S THERE'S FAR TOOANY OF THEM FORE TO KIND OF RATTLE ON THROUGH A LIST AS TO WHAT THEY ALL ARE. BUT THINK OF ALL, YOU KNOW, RANGING IN UPGRADES FROM JUST SIGNAL IZING ADDING NEW SIGNALS TO AN INTERSECTION TO UPGRADES TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUND AT YOUR PARK TRAILS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THERE'S YOU KNOW UPGRADES TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER THE UPGRADES TO THE CITY'S GOLF COURSE FACILITIES. THERE'S JUST A VERY WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT END UP ON A.S.A.P. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPLIANCE FROM THE ASPECT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS REALLY WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE COMP PLAN FOR EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE THE FIRE STATIONS ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE EXPLICITLY LISTED IN THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE COMPLIANCE IS QUITE EASY. THE PLAN CALLS FOR UPGRADING THE CITY'S FIRE STATIONS. WHEN YOU GET INTO THE VAST LIST OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE CAPE THAT ARE NOT LISTED, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED A NUMBER OF ASSOCIATED PLANS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT DISTRICT PLANS SO FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SOUTH LOOP OR PAN AMERICAN DISTRICT THOSE PLANS OFTEN DO HAVE SECTIONS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES OR OTHER PUBLIC AMENITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE DISTRICT PLANS. BUT THERE'S OTHER PLANS THERE'S THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, THERE'S THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THERE'S THE SANITARY SEWER PLAN. THERE'S THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN AND KIND OF DOWN THE LIST IT GOES. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF SUPPORTIVE PLANS THAT LIST OUT A NUMBER THESE PROJECTS THAT WHILE THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THESE ARE PLANS THAT THE PLAN KIND OF IS CONNECTED TO. THERE'S CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN ALL THESE THINGS SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SOME SENSE. OVERALL STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE LIST OF PROJECTS WE ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION SORRY GO BACK SO IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPORT OF PLANS YOU KNOW WHAT IF A PROJECT ISN'T IN ONE OF THE SUPPORTIVE PLANS AND ISN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL ON THE PLAN AT THAT POINT SO YOU LOOK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS STRATEGIES GOALS STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS ARBITRARY REALLY PROVIDE THAT HIGHER LEVEL GUIDANCE WITHIN ALL THE SEVEN I'M SORRY EIGHT CHAPTERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE TEST BY WHICH YOU WOULD EVALUATE THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IS EVALUATE THEM AGAINST THE GOALS STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED WITH COMMUNITY SO AFTER REVIEWING THE PROJECTS ON THIS YEAR CAP STAFF DIDN'T FIND ANY PROJECTS THAT WE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE LISTED A NUMBER OF GOALS, STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS IN YOUR PLAN THAT TOUCH AIDE VARIETY THESE PROJECTS. SO WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION DEEMING CIP IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND AS I MENTIONED LORI ACADEMY SHOULDERS ONLINE AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY YOU MENTIONED THAT FULL CIP WAS NOT IN THE PACKET BUT THE LINK TO THE FULL CFP WAS IN THE PACKET AND SO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO NAVIGATE TO IT IF THEY SO CHOOSE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IT IS IN THEN THE PACKET AS WELL SO IT'S IT'S NOT A SECRET WHAT'S IN IT. IT IS A VERY LONG DOCUMENT AND DOING SIMILAR WORK THIS AND MY DAY JOB BLESS YOU FOR HAVING A $50,000 THRESHOLD THAT IS CRAZY LOW SO IF YOU NEED SOMEONE TO SUPPORT THAT GOING UP IN THE FUTURE I WOULD BE ON YOUR SIDE DISCUSSION AND AS COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANK YOU CHAIR THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE QUESTION I HAD WRITTEN DOWN IS HOW DOES STA OR W SETS THE THRESHOLDS FOR THE 50,000 AND THEN YOU MENTIONED 175 TO GO TO COUNCIL WHO SETS THOSE THRESHOLDS AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WERE UPDATED THAT CHAIR ROHMAN COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN I THINK LORI MY LARRY COMMISSIONER MIGHT BE BETTER TO TAKE THAT QUESTION AND MYSELF CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS WHEN I LOOK I'VE OVER MY LOOK AT CAPITAL ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO PUT TO NOT ONLY THIS DOCUMENT BUT INTO WHAT WE ND TO PUT IN OU CAPITAL ACCOUNT FOR AS A CAPITAL PROJECT ITEM THAT ITEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT $10,000. SO WHEN WE DO THE ACCOUNTING FOR WE ONLY CUT THIS OFF AT 50,000 IN THE BUDGET THEY SPEND CAPITAL ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BETWE TEN AND 50 THAT ARE NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ONE WE JUST HAVE THAT FIRST OF ALL AT 50,000 AND THERE ARE MANY PROJECTS WE CAN LOOK AT A BUT WE KIND OF LOOK AT THROUGH OUR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS WHAT THEIR BEST PRACTICES ARE TO FOR THAT 50,000 AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THAT SWEET SPOT FOR GOVERNMENTS AT THE 50,000 SO TO CLARIFY THE THRESHOLD IS IS THAT SET BY COUNCIL OR IS THAT THE THRESHOLD THAT STAFF JUST IS COMFORTABLE USING COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR THE 50,000 IS ONE OF THE BEST PRACTICE AREA IT IS AT THE STAFF LEVEL. OKAY THANK YOU. THETHER DISCUSSN COMMISSIONER GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. SO I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M JUST WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS OBVIOUSLY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. QUESTION JUST ABOUT LOGISTICS OF THAT AND THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SO THINKING ABOUT THE BLOOMINGTON NICE CAR IN THE COMMUNITY NINE MILE CREEK I KNOW WE JUST HAD A VOTE TO FUND THOSE SOURCES SO THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED THIS GAAP BUT THE FUNDING SOURCES WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM LIKE A PROPERTY TAX OR WHATEVER TYPES OF IT IT'S REGARDLESS HOW THE MONEY'S COMING INTO THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIRING COMMISSIONERS WITH THE VOTE THAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK WE DID MAKE A SLIGHT CHANGE IF NONE OF THE PROJECTS CHANGE SO THAT THAT IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE BUT THOSE THREE PROJECTS THAT WERE VOTED ON LAST WEEK WHERE WE'RE IN A FUING SOURCEALLED OTHER W HAVE NOWDDED ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE CALLED LOCAL SALES TAX AND SAID THAT THE COUNCIL ON THE FOURTH UPDATE THE WHAT'S PLANNED ON THE 4TH OF DECEMBER IS THE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE SALES TAX WITHIN THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ITEM TO ON AND THEN THIS ITEM WOULD ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 18TH BUT WE'VE RELABELED THOSE THREE PROJECTS FOR THE LOCAL OPTION SALES. GOT IT. THANKOU. THE OTHER QUESTIONS DISCUSSION THIS IS THE STUDY ITEM. THERE'S IF I MAY ADD ONE THING, CHAIRMAN, ONE OF THE I'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS IN THE PAST IS WHY IS SOUTH LOOP COLORED AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY AND IT KIND SPEAKS TO THE LAST QUESTION ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES NOT THAT I CAN EXPLAIN FUNDING SOURCES THAN LORIE CAN BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT CATEGORY IS SEPARATED OUT IS THAT IT HAS SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCES FROM LIQUOR AND LODGING TAXES YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT FUND THAT THE CITY OPERATES. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REONS AND I HAVEN'T H THIS CONVERSATION WITH FINANCE IN THE FUTURE BUT I WONDERED OR I WAS INTERESTED THE CHANGING NATURE OF THE PORT AUTHORITY EXPANDING THEIR MISSION TO THE REST OF THE CITY IF THAT WILL CHANGE I DON'T KNOW BUT THAT WAS A CURIOSITY MY OWN RIGHT. THE COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS CHAIR NICK ASKED THE THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT FUND IS A LEGISLATIVE DESIGNATED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THOSE SOURCES ARE UNDER STATUTE BE SPENT IN THAT DISTRICT. WE CANNOT TAKE THOSE SPOTS AND MOVE THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY UNLESS WE GET LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COOKED IN MR. CHAIR ISN'T THE SOUTH OF DEVELOPMENT FUND HOW THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION GETS THEIR FUNDING? SO HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO EXPAND SCOPE? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION FOR STAFF FLORIDA I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THAT ONE. THANKS. I EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. SO THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WILL NOW HAVE TWO FUNDING SOCES BECAUSE ALL OF THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING UP UNTIL THIS TIME HAVE IN BUT GOING FORWARD THEY'RE GOING TO BE CITYWIDE AND THE PORT AUTHORITY'S LOBBY IS GOING TO PLACE ADDITIONAL FUNDS INTO THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FUNDS AND SO AS THE AUTHORITY NOW CITYWIDE THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING FOR THAT FUNDING AND OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO DO SEPARATE COUNTING ON THIS. SO THE SOUTH LOCAL PAPER PORTION OF THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING ACTIVITIES AND THE PORTS LEVY WILL PAY FOR ANOTHER PORTION. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FEEDBACK OR EMOTION? QUESTIONER VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. CHAIR I'LL MAKE A MOTION. CHAIR IN CASE P.L. 2023-171I MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION FINDING THAT THE COMBINED YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN 2024 THROUGH 2033 COMPLIES WITH THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLA . SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ON THE CFP. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES AND THAT IS A FINAL ACTION. HOWEVER THE CFP ITSELF BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECEMBER 18TH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. YES THANK YOU IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR ANNUAL MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE . AND WE HAD A STUDY SESSION ON THIS A FEW WEEKS. PLANNER RICK BAYLESS BACK WITH THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION ON THIS ITEM FOR US. YES. THANK YOU. YES. SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN. MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES OUR PUBLIC HEARING CASE NUMBER 2020 300155. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, OUR MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES IS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THE STAFF PREPARE ORDINANCES COLLECTIVELY TO CONSIDER MULTIPLE SMALL AMENDMENTS THAT LEAD RELATE TO LAND USE, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT ON THEIR OWN MERIT. THE OVERHEAD WHICH IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW, DRAFT AND PUBLISH AND PROVIDE A HEARING FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE. SO WE ARE HERE IN IN NOVEMBER WITH OUR WITH OUR HAVING HAD OUR STUDY ITEM IN OCTOR OF 2023 AND OUR PUBLIC HEARING HERE IN NOVEMBER IN 2023. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THE ANIMATION. YOU ALL KNOW AND LOVE WITH MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES. AND THEN IF ALL GOES AS PLANNED WE WILL BE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER. RIGHT. SO ARE OUR SLATE OF CANDIDATES FOR 2023. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN HAV OUR CLEANUP ITEMS AND THOSE REPRESENT ITEMS THAT ARE A THROUGH EYE. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE HAVE THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE ITEMS THOSE ARE J THROUGH OUR. SO STARTING WITH A IN 2020 OR 26 WE CHANGED OUR COMPLIANCE IN CHANGE OF USE STRUCTURE ON SITE OR ADDITIONS THERE TO. AND WE ACCIDENTALLY HAD THE ONE IN AN THE SAME LINE AND SO THAT RESULTED IN A BLANK SUBSECTION. AND SO THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO REMEDIATE THE ISSUE BY NUMBERING IN THE SUBSECTION. SO CAPITAL A WILL REFLECT ONE AND B REFLECT TWO AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. OKAY TYPE B HOME BUSINESS THAT'S THE SECOND AMENDMENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FINAL DECISION MER TO THE PLANNING FOR TYPE TWO HOME BUSINESS. AND ONE STANDARD WAS MISSED. AND SO THE SUGGESTION HERE IS TO STRIKE THE WORDS APPROVED CITY COUNCIL FOR A C ONCE AGAIN WE ARE BRINGING YOU BACK A REVISION TO OUR SITE WITH DIAGRAM. WE UPDATED IT LAST YEAR AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND WE LIKE TO UPDATE IT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE CURVILINEAR LINEAR SIGNS. WE DON'T ACTUALLY MEASURE SITE WIDTH ON THAT CURVILINEAR IT IS STRAIGHT ACROSS AND SO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE DIAGRAM TO REFLECT THAT ORDINANCE D IS THE BOTH REFERENCE IS IN 21 TWO 0302C 2 A.M. THEY INCORRECT KECKLEY REFERENCE THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE STANDARDS INSTEAD OF WHAT IS INTENDED TO REFLECT WHICH IS TO SAY THE SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS. AND SO WE OUR PROPOSAL TO UPDATE THE CODE SECTION SO THAT THE INTENDED SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS ARE SHOWN IN CODE . OKAY. SO E THE TWO SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHT SO THESE TWO SECTIONS IN CODE SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER AND THE WAY THAT IT IS IN CODE RIGHT NOW IS NOT OBVIOUS TO THE PERSON READING. SO WE SUGGEST ADDING A FOOTNOTE UNDER THE TABLE A THEN REMOVING 21 301 OR 21 30204C8 TO ALLOW FOR READABILITY ORDINANCE F PERIMETER FENCING AND DRIVE THRU. SO THIS ONE WE HAVE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR FENCE STANDARDS BUT THE REFERENCE THAT IT DIRECTS TO IS THE DRIVE THRU FACILITIES SO WE WANT TO UPDATE THAT APPLICATION AND PROCESSES FOR RV PERMIT WHICH IS CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST. WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THAT FOR ORDINANCE G . SO LAST YEAR ONE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUE SOUGHT TO REPLACE THE INFORMATION WITHIN OUR TABLES TO A RELATED TO FEES TO APPENDIX A AND IN ORR TO FACILITA THE RESPECTIVE TABLES ONE WAS MISSED AND SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT HERE WILL UPDATE THE SUBSECTION OF THE TABLE HEADER ABOVE THE TABLE AND THE OH TWO ARE THE I'M SORRY THE UPDATE THE SUBSECTION TITLE AND THE HEADER OF THE TABLE TO DIRECT THE READER TO APPENDIX A TEMPORARY BORINGS. THIS IS BECAUSE A NEW MINNESOTA STATE STATUE HAS MOVED THE DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY BORINGS AND REPLACED WITH SOME DIVISION EIGHT A THAT DOES KNOW THAT NO LONGER INCLUDES THE DEFINITION OF EXPLORATORY BORINGS. AND SO THIS COMES FROM COLLEAGUES IN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND THEY HAVE DIRECTED US TO REMOVE THE TEXT OF TEMPORARY BORINGS FROM THE CODE TO APPLY TO ALIGN WITH THE UPDATED STATUTORY DEFINITION CHANGE. AND I BELIEVE AS WELL AS IN THE APPENDIX WHERE THE FEES ARE ARE HOUSED. OKAY. ORDINANCE JAY THE R3 THREE STRUCTURE STANDARD DO NOT HAVE A PROVISION THAT THAT EXPLAINS THAT DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CANNOT OR CAN B CLOSER TO THEEAR PROPERTY LINE TN 30 FEET. BUT THIS IS ALLOWED IN ALL OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. SO STAFF AGREED THAT TEN FEET IS AN APPROPRIATE LENGTH WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS LANGUAGE CAN BE. SO THIS WOULD CHANGE TO TEN FEET FOR GARAGES AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS NOT CONNECTED WATER OR SANITARY SEWER . OKAY THERE IS NOEFINITION OF FARMERS MARKET AND YET IT APPEARS IN OUR USE TABLE. SO WE HAVE OR WE PROPOSE THAT THE DEFINITION OF FARMERS WHICH MATCHES THE DEFINITION IN CHAPTER 14 FOR THIS ORDINANCE ORDINANCE KAY FOR ORDINANCE L THIS IS THE ONE YOU ALL HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT LAST TIME. SO THIS ONE IS CHANGES IN NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIO THAT REQUIRED THAT A LETTER A REC A WRITTEN LETTER GRANTING PERMISSION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROCESS IS SUFFICIENT ENSURE THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN APPLICATION FORM SO IT'S JUST SAYING THAT INSTEAD OF REQUIRING THE APPLICATION FORM THAT WE WOULD ALSO ACCEPT A FORM OF OWNER WRITTEN APPROVAL AND IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT WE TALKED TO LEGAL THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED IN OUR STUDY WAS IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE THAT THIS EXISTS? WE TALKED WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AND LEGAL AND THEY SAID NO THERE ISN'T THERE'S MERIT TO THE IDEA OF OF ADDING THAT BUT WE ONLY SEE A HANDFUL OF CASES IN A YEAR. THIS CODE ORDINANCE UPDATES IT IN ALL OF THE NINE PLACES. SO WE SUGGEST REVISING THOSE CONTENTS SECTIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE APPLICATION FORM OR ANOTHER FORM OWNER WRITTEN APPROVAL ORDINANCE M IS THE CODE DOES DICTATES THAT NONCONFORMING SITE CHARACTERS SHALL BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMITY IF A 25% INCREASE OF TOTAL FLOOR AREA HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST THIS HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AS CUMULATIVE BUT IT DOES NOT SAY SO SPECIFICALLY IN CITY CODE . AND SO WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS TO SPECIFY THAT A CUMULATIVE INCREASE OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA AFTER, THE PROSPECTIVE DATE THAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE APPROVED AND ANDUBLISHED REQUIRE COORMANCE WITH SITE WITH SITE CHARACTERISTIC CURRENT STANDARDS ADU LOCATION IN THE EIGHTH USE. RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT STATE THAT ANY USE MUCH LIKE OTHER ACCESSORY BILL OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CANNOT BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE STREET. AND SO OUR PROPOSED AMEND MENT WOULD UPDATE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LOCATION STANDARDS TO THAT THEY MAY NOT BE PLACED BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE STREET. THE DISPLAY OF MERCHANDISE DEFINITION. SO THIS ONE WE HAVE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YES NEWSPAPER DISPENSERS WOULD APPLY AS PART OF THIS. THIS DEFINITION AND IT IS THE IDEAS IS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED A DEFINITION THAT HOLDS A PRODUCT FOR SALE AND WHICH COMMON INSTALLATIONS SUCH AS CLOTHING BINS BUT IT WOULD IT REQUIRES OR IT REQUIRES OR PROVIDES SOME STANDARDS FOR EQUIPMENT THAT OFFERS PERSONAL CONVENIENCE OUTSIDE OF THE PERSONAL OR THE THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. SO WE UPDATED THE EXTERIOR STORAGE STANDARDS TO REDUC IMCTS ON SUCH INSTALLATION AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND AND PROHIBIT INSTALLATIONS WHICH NOT INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY OUR FENCE STANDARDS SO THE TO THE SINGLE AND TO FAMILY STANDARDS WHICH SPECIFIC IS THE ELIMINATION OF OUR PREVAILING FRONT SETBACKS IN R-1 ZONING DISTRICT SHIFTED SOME OTHE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ALLOW FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SO CURRENTLY WHAT IS ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THIS IS A PROPERTY MAY BUILD A EIGHT FOOT FENCE AT A 30 FOOT SETBACK. SO WE PROPOSE THAT WE UPDATE CODE TO THE THE STANDARD THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE WHAT WITH THE WITH THE SETBACK SO FENCES THAT ARE LOCATED BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE EXTERIOR FACE OF THE DWELLING MUST MEET A 65 FOOT SETBACK AND FENCES LOCATED WITHIN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD THAT ARE NOT ABUTTING A STREET MUST MEET SETBACKS FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND I HAVE A SLIDE THAT KIND OF SHOWS HOW THAT THAT WORKS AND I CAN SHOW YOU SHOW YOU THAT ACTUALLY . SO BECAUSE I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT EXAMPLES HOW THE SETBACKS ARE WORKING SO THE WAY THAT IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IN CODE IS THAT THE OH MAKE IT BIGGER OF COURSE. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT NOW YOU COULD BUILD AN EIGHT FOOT 100% CAPACITY FENCE 30 FEET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS WRITTEN WE WOULD WE WOULD REQUIRE WHERE THE BLUE LINE IS . SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KNOW IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND ON IT ALLOWS FOR AN AMENABLE STREETSCAPE NOT TO HAVE SUCH LARGE FENCES. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THIS IS A LARGER PROPERTY AND YOU CAN SEE IT DOESN'T REALLY ALTER THE LOCATION. I BELIEVE THIS LOT IS 132 FOOT SETBACK AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT AT 35 FEET IT WOULD REQUIRE 65 FEET. BUT IN RELATION TO THE SE OF THE PROPERT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT SIGNIFICANT ME OKAY GOING BACK AUTO REPAIR. SO THIS ONE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE STUDY SESSION AS WELL AND THE OMISSION OF THE WORDS WITHIN A BUILDING DO I HAVE THAT? YEAH WAS BASICALLY ALLOWS INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES TO TAKE PLACE IN PARKING LOT OR IN OTHER AREAS THAT IS NOT INTENDED THIS USE. AND SO BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM THE STUDY SESSION WE DID RIGHT AN EXCEPTION FOR TEMPORARY LIMITED OUTDOOR REPAIR APPROVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY AND THAT WOULD SUPPORT INSTANCES OF A LARGE CLIMATE EVENT INVOLVING HAIL CARS AND AND ALSO TO ANSWER THE QSTION ABOUT MOBILE WINDSHIELD REPAIR STAFF DISCUSSED THIS AND CONCLUDED THAT SUCH SERVICES ARE PRECLUDED FROM THESE DEFINITIONS BECAUSE THIS SERVICE IS INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE. SO OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD ADD THE WORDS INSIDE A BUILDING EXCEPT FOR A TEMPORARY LIMITED OUTDOOR REPAIR APPROVED BY THE IUING AUTHORITY TO THE DEFINITION OF VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR AND VEHICLE REPAIR MINOR AND THEN AND THEN SLIDE AH THIS IS OUR LAST ONE WINDOW COVERING REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT AND THE HSR DISTRICT THAN THEY ARE IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE WINDOW COVERING REQUIREMENTS AND THE HSR DIFFERENT DISTRICT TO INCLUDE FILM COVERINGS AND THAT IS OUR SLATE OF CANDIDATES FOR 2023 AND STAFF RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING FOLLOWING REQUESTED ACTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION THIS ITEM. QUESTIONS FEEDBACK. THIS IS A ITEM FOR ACTION. MR. GOLDSON THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST TO CLARIFY ON WRITTEN APPROVAL I THINK THE QUESTION DURING A STUDY ITEM WAS AROUND JUST AN EMA IS AN EMAIL AN APPROVED USE OR APPROVED USE OF THAT. SO I'M SEEING THUMBS UP. YES, BELIEVE IT IS. GREAT. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OTHER DISCUSSION. OH I SHOULD MENTION CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I DID LOOK THAT UP AND THROUGHOUT OUR CITY CODE TO SEE IF THERE IS KIND OF A CATCH ALL WHAT CONSTITUTES A WRITTEN APPROVAL. I DIDN'T SEE IT AND I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY CODE SO I KIND OF ADVISE PLANNING DO JUST KEEP IT TO THE APPROVALS IN PLANNING. BUT I THINK EMAIL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. I LOOKED AT STATE LAW AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THE OWNER ACTUALLY SIGN ANYTHING SO AS LONG AS THERE'S A GOOD REFLECTION OF THEIR CONCERNS I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION COMMISSIONER CLIFTON. MR. CHAIR IN CASE PL 2023-155I MOVE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTING ORDINANCES A B C D E F G H AND I AS INCLUDED THE MEETING PACKET THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTERS 21 AND 22 OF THE CITY CODE . AND BEFORE WE GO FURTHER GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY OWN APPARENTLY LATE HOUR. IT'S THAT LATE. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL WITHHOLD MY MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE A PUBLIC IT IS MY FAULT. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NOBODY IN THE CHAMBER ON THIS ITEM, SEEING NOBODY ONLINE AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SIR JERRY MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, THANK YOU. MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED A PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED NOW. I'M SORRY MR. FISHER COOKSON ONE MORE TIME IN CASE FEEL 2023-155I MOVE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTING ORDINANCES A B C E F G H AND I AS INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET THEREFORE EXCUSE ME THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTERS 21 AND 22 OF THE CITY CODE . SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND A SERIES OF ORDINANCES AMENDING THE CITY CODE ANY FURTHER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES. COMMISSIONER COOKSON MR. IN CASE APPEAL 2023-155I MOVE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTING ORDINANCES J K MN0PQ AND R AS INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTERS 15 1921 AND APPENDIX A OF THE CITY CODE . SECOND THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO RECOMMEND ADOPTING A SERIES OF ORDINANCES AMENDING CODE . ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES THIS ITEM WILL APPEAR ON THE DECEMBER 18TH CITY COUNCIL AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. NICE WORK. THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE THE STUDY ITEM THAT I WAS MEETING. I WAS I WAS OPTIMISTIC. I MOVE MYSELF TO NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS A STUDY ITEM ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND SENIOR PLANNER JOHNSON IS BACK FOR AN ENCORE . THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN . WHILE I GET SET UP HERE, I'M GOING TO FILIBUSTER FOR 1/2 AND PUBLICLY THANK WENDELL PIERCE FOR HELPING ME TREMENDOUSLY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. UM UH JUST I CAN'T UNDER I CAN'T OVEREMPHASIZE UH, KIND OF HOW MUCH HE'S BEEN MY SOUNDING BOARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS SO I WANT TO GIVE HIM THAT KUDOS AND THEN ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE KEVIN STARSKY I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS OF THE DRAFTING, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY BEEN THE RIGHT HAND MAN AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL. SO JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS HERE. SO HERE WE GO. SO THE ACTION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING STUDY STUDY SESSION. STUDY ITEM PART TWO I'M CALLING IT MOSTLY FOR COMMISSIONER CURRIE'S BENEFIT. UNFORTUNATELY HE WAS NOT YET ON THE BOARD FOR STUDY ITEM PART ONE. BUT IF YOU RECALL WE DID CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S STUDY SESSION IS TO PRESENT TO YOU OUR FIRST DRAFT OF THE NEW SIGN CODE . ONE POINT WANT T MAKE ABOUT THATS THAT THEIGN ORDINANCE HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CROSS-REFERENCES KIND OF WRITTEN. THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY CODE SIGNAGE IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT JUST TENDS TO SPIDERWEB EVERYWHERE AND WE MADE ON A STAFF LEVEL DECISION THAT PRIOR TO DOING WE'VE WE'VE STARTED WE'VE DEFINITELY CATALOGED ALL THOSE PLACES THAT HAVE ALL THOSE CROSS-REFERENCES AND WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF GETTING ALL THAT DONE. BUT BEFORE WE TOOK THE FORMAL STEP OF PRESENTING THAT TO YOU, WE WANTED TO TRY AND BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THE STRUCTURE, THE THE OUTLINE, THEASIC STANDARDS TT WE'RE PROPOSING TO RULATE SIGNAGE IN BLOOMINGTON. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WALK AWAY FROM TONIGHT IS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, GET YOUR FEEDBACK ABOUT THESE DRAFT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THIS DRAFT CODE THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD. SO JUST A QUICK AGENDA SLIDE THE EARLY PART I JUST WANT TO TOUCH TOUCH ON KIND OF SOME OF THE BACKGROUND IN OUR PROCESS, TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR GOALS HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. JUST GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR LEGAL REVIEW OF OUR ORDINANCE, GIVE YOU A SMALL OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AND THEN RLLY JUST KIND OF GET INTO THE MEAT OF IT IS REALLY JUST PROVIDING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE NEW SAN CODE . I WILL SIT STAY AT THE DOCUMENT IT'S 35 PAGES LONG SO I HAD I KIND OF WRESTLE WITH MYSELF IN TERMS OF WHAT SPECIFIC CONTENT TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU. I DON'T WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH LINE BY LINE THE THE DOCUMENT SO BY THAT HOPEFULLY I PICKED THE RIGHT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT AND IF I DIDN'T PICK THE RIGHT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT AND YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS PLEASE DON'T BE SHY ABOUT THEM BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO DO AOOD JOB OF TRYING TO GO OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. THEN FINALLY WE'LL JUST WRAP UP BY TALKING ABOUT KIND OF WHAT'S NEXT WITH THIS PROCESS. SO WHY ARE WE HERE? THE SIGN ORDINANCE DESIGN THE 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN AS WE MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN 1996. THE SIGN CODE HAS GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF MODEST REVISIONS SINCE THEN BUT REALLY NOTHING MIRRORING THAT OF A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK OR OVERHAUL . SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COURT CASES AND CASE LAW AND SOME OF WHICH RISING UP TO THE SUPREME COURT AROUND FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES THAT BASICALLY MAKE ASPECTS THE CURRENT BLOOMINGTON SIGNAGE REGULATIONS OUT OF STEP WITH CURRENT CASE LAW. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THIS OF THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DID ON THE FRONT END KIND OF ALONG THAT SAME TIME WINDOW OF DOING OUR PREVIOUS STUDY WITH YOU WE DID ENGAGE WITH SIGN INSTALLERS IN BLOOMINGTON SO WE CAPTURED ALL THE DIFFERENT SIGN INSTALLERS WHO HAD PULLED THAT SIGN PERMIT IN BLOOMINGTON IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE PROVIDED A SURVEY OPPORTUNITY WE ALSO CONNECTED WITH WE ATTEMPTED TO REACH 30 LOCAL MUNICIPAL BODIES. I THINK WE GOT A RESPONSE RATE I WANT TO SAY OF 18 OR SO RESPONDED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK JUST KIND OF IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES AROUND US ARE SEEING FROM SIGNAGE. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THEY UPDATED THEIR STANDARDS? ARE THEY PLEASED WITH WITH HOW THEIR STANDARDS LAY OUT? AND WE ASKED SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BUT WE DID SURVEY OTHER LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES IN THE TWIN CITIES AS WELL IN TERMS OF RESEARCH METHODS IT'S REALLY JUST A MIX OF TRYING TO FIND THE BEST LOCAL ORDINANCES. I MEAN WE DO OPERATE IN A LOCAL ARENA HERE WITH LOT OF THE SAME SITE INSTALLERS OPERATE AN EQUIVALENT CITY SO THEY HAVE LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FOR THINGS TO LOOK AT BUT WE'RE ALSO TAKING THINGS FROM MODEL SIGN ORDINANCES THERE IS A LOT OF NATIONAL WORK THAT HAPPENS WITH THIS. SOME OF THAT WORK ALSO POINTS TO THE POINTS YOU TOWARDS MORE EXAMPL FROM AROUNDHE COTRY OF MORE RECENTLY ADOPTED SIGN CODES THAT ARE STEP WITH SOME OF THIS LEGAL CASE LAW STUFF THAT I MENTIONED OKLAHOMA CITY DAVENPORT A FEW OTHER PLACES I'VE GOOD EXAMPLES OF THINGS TO POINT TO SO IT'S REALLY A IT'S REALLY KIND OF COBBLING TOGETHER THE BEST OF WHAT'S LOCAL THE BEST OF MODEL ORDINANCES AND FINDING A FEW NATIONAL EXAMPLES THAT WE FELT WERE POINTED US IN A GOOD DIRECTION. WE PRESENTED THESE SAME THREE PROJECT GOALS TO YOU LAST TIME THESE HAVEN'T CHANGED. THIS IS STILL THE MEASURING STICK THAT WE TEST OURSELVES BY SO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO UM WHEN WE'RE WEIGHING VARIOUS POLICY DECISIONS AND WHEN WE DRAFTED OUR ASSIGNED CODE WE'RE KIND OF ASKING THESE THREE QUESTIONS DOES IT CONFORM WITH CURRENT LEGAL STANDARDS? DOES IT IMPROVE CLARITY, REDUCE COMPLEXITY AND DOES IT IMPROVE THE ORGANIZATION FORMATTING AND THE USER EXPERIENCE OF THE SIGN CODE ? SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THOSE THINGS IN TERMS OF AN UPDATE THE LEGAL REVIEW SO WE PRESENTED TO YOU LAST TIME THAT THE CITY WAS WELL LET ME BACK UP UNLIKE MOST ORDINANCES THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PUTS FORTH TO YOU IN TERMS OF AMENDING THE ZONING CODE , WE TYPICALLY HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES IN LEGAL REVIEW THEM IN THIS INSTANCE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE ISSUES THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN A PARTNER DIRECTLY WORKING IN A COLLABORATIVE STANCE AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING IN A REVIEW POSITION. SO KEVIN TASK IS AGAIN MY MAIN PARTNER IN THAT RESPECT AS I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST STUDY SESSION THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH JOHN BAKER OF GREENSBORO WHO'S A NATIONALLYECOGNIZED EXPERT EXPERT IN THESE MATTERS. SO WHAT DID HE DO? HE REVIEWED OUR EXISTING SIGN CODE AND HE POINTED OUT ALL OF THE ISSUES SOME OF WHICH WE WERE KIND OF ANTICIPATED OR ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH BUT HE PROVIDED A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF OUR EXISTING SIGN CODE . IT HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO US THAT WE NEEDED TO CLEAN UP AND THEN HERE YET IN DECEMBER HE IS GOING TO REVIEW THE NEW DRAFT SIGN CODE SO WE WILL HAVE HIS FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT STANDARDS PRIOR TO PROEDING TO A PUBLIC HEARING TYPE SETTING ONE POINT A WELL THAT'S LET'S KEEP GOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO I MENTIONED ENGAGING WITH THE INSTALLERS I MENTIONED KIND OF INTERACTING WITH SOME WITH SOME OTHER LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES THAT WAS KIND OF STUFF DONE ON THE EARLY SIDE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THEN. SO THERE'S MORE SO THAN OTHER POLICIES THAT I'VE WORKED ON IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNAL ENGAGEMENT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AROUND THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IN DIFFERENT WAYS ALL OF THE EIGHT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OFHE CITY INTERACT WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER PARKS AND REC OBVIOUSLY TO DISPLAY A LOT OF SIGNAGE AT THEIR ACTIVITIES. THE CITY CLERK IS CONCERNED WITH ELECTION SIGNS EVERY LITTLE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN LITTLE NICHE THING THAT TOUCHES ON SIGNAGE YOU KNOW THE FARMER'S MARKET THERE'S JUST KIND OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT LITTLE ACTORS THAT YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY AND THEN COBBLE TOGETHER FACILITIES, STAFF, OTHER PEOPLE. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH THIS INTERNAL WORKING GROUP AND WE GOT A GOOD OF COMMENTS ON OUR INTERNAL DRAFT REVIEW PROCESS AND THAT DID RESULT IN A NUMBER OF CHANGES AND THEY WERE REALLY HELPFUL TO US IN TERMS OF EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT. SO TWO MAIN FORMS DIRECT ENGAGEMENT AND BY THAT I MEAN BOTH GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS. SO WE'VE REACHED OUT TO MORE REGIONAL ENTITIES TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND MORE SPECIFICALLY WHO ARE REALLY TARGETING HERE IS THE BUSINESS AND REAL ESTATE COMMUNITIES WE WANT THEM TO BE THAT WE'RE AMENDING THESE STANDARDS, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE WANT THEM TO BE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THEM. SO THE MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL CHAMBER, THE RETAILERS ASSOCIATION, THE SHOPPING CENTER ASSOCIATION AND, THEN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION AS WELL INDUSTRIAL OFFICE PROPERTIES. SO THEY'VE ALL BEEN ENGAGED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I HAVE A MEETING WITH FOLKS FROM THE CHAMBER MONDAY AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM SOME THESE OTHER GROUPS AS WELL. BUT MAYBE PERHAPS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS ENGAGING WITH INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS IN BLOOMINGTON PROPERTY OWNERS, LARGER PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE MULTI-TENANT SHOPPG CENTERS OR DEVELMENTS THAT SIGNAGE IS A SPECIFIC INTEREST TO THEM. SO WE HAVE THIS ONGOING LIST, WE EMAIL THEM UPDATES AND MANY OF THEM HAVE REACHED OUT SINCE WE SENT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. NONE OF THEM HAVE SUBMITTED ANY FORMAL COMMENTS AS OF YET BUT I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH WITH MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND WE'LL TRY AND KEEP THE BLOOMINGTON PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ENGAGE THIS PROCESS AND WILL MAKE TIME ALL THE TIME FOR THEM AS NECESSARY SO THEY FULLY GRASP AND KNOW HOW IT AFFECTS THEIR POTENTIAL POTENTIALLY AFFECTS THEIR PROPERTY. SO AND THEN OUR ONLINE ENGAGEMENT AS AS PER USUAL WE USE THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON ENGAGEMENT TOOL WE'VE HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF PAGE VISITS AND HITS AND WHATNOT. I THINK WE'VE HAD 144 UNIQUE VISITORS THROUGH OUR SITE KIND OF . YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A SPIKE THERE IN THAT SUMMARY REPORT AS OF RECENTLY BUT YEAH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO USE THAT TOOL. IT'S ANOTHER MECHANISM THAT WE SHARE INFORMATION ON AND PEOPLE CAN IF THEY JUST SEARCH YOU KNOW BLOOMINGTON, SI CODE IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO POP UP ON GOOGLE FOR EXAMPLE. SO GETTING TO THE GETTING NOW MORE TO THE MEAT WHAT I HOPE WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND DISCUSS SO JUST A JUST A KIND OF A BASICS OR AN OVERALL SLIDE IN TERMS OF GETTING BACK TO THOSE PROJECT GOALS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WORTH LEADING WITH OR NOT BUT IT'S THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO WRITE DOWN IS THE EXISTING SIGN CODE IS 79 PAGES THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE USE 35 PAGES SO IT IS MORE THAN A 50% REDUCTION IN TERMS OF JUST THE OVERALL CONTENT OF THE PAGE COUNT 35 IS MAYBE SOME WOULD ARGUE IS STILL TOO LONG BUT SIGNAGE IS COMPLEX AND KIND OF DIFFICULT TO WRESTLE WITH. SO CERTAINLY THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF CUT DOWN OR CONSOLIDATE SOME THINGS BUT OVERALL WE'RE PLEASED IN TERMS OF THE SPOT THAT WE'RE COMING FROM TO WHERE WE'RE GOING IN TERMS OF HOW THE BASIC SIGNED ORDINANCE IT LAYS ITSELF OUT. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE EXISTING SIGN CODE IS JUST THAT THERE ARE MANY DIFRENT CTIONS OF THE CODE THAT HAVE KIND OF RELATED OR CONNECTED STANDARDS WOVEN THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT SECTIONS. IT'S NOT JUST IN A DEDICATED SECTION ONE BY ONE SO IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT PARTICULARLY EVEN FOR STAFF BUT EVEN FOR OUTSIDE USERS TO REALLY LOCATE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO FIND WITHIN REGULATIONS. SO OUR KIND OF DEDICATED SECTIONS WE HAVE EXEMPT SIGNS ,PROHIBITED SIGNS, TEMPORARY SIGNS REGULATED BUT EXEMPT SIGNS, FREESTANDING SIGNS, BUILDING SIGNS, ELECTRONIC VIDEO BILLBOARDS ETC. THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES AND HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD BE QUITE EASY FOR FOLKS TO FIND THE STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN JUST FROM A OVERALL ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT SO HOW DOES IT LAY OUT THE IDEA IS THAT ALLOWANCES FOR PERMANENT SIGNAGE AND THIS IS THIS MIRRORS TODAY'S TODAY'S APPROACH AND THAT THIS SIGN CODE CONTINUES TO ADOPT REGULATIONS FOR PERMANENT BY ASSIGNED DISTRICTS SO MANY DIFFERENT THE KIND OF TW VARIED APPROACHES THAT I SEE IN MORE SIGN CODES IS EITHER BY USE THEY'LL SAY RESIDENTIAL USES THIS INDUSTRIAL USES THAT OR THEY'LL DO IT BY UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT AND THAT'S WHAT IN EFFECT SIGNED DISTRICTS ARE. IT'S A COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT BASED ZONING DISTRICTS THAT GET ASSIGNED INTO A BROADER SIGN DISTRICT AND THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE USING FOR THIS ORDINANCE. SO GETTING INTO THOSE SAME DISTRICTS AND BY THE WAY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS I GO HERE DON'T HESITATE TO INTERRUPT ME OR STOP ME I SHOULD SAY SO TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SIGN DISTRICTS SO ONE OF THE ANOTHER ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER IS WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT SIGN DISTRICTS. WE'VE REDUCED THAT IN THIS NEW SIGN CODE TO FIVE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE FIRST THE CLASS ONE SIGNED DISTRICT FOR EXAMPLE, MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO REMAIN THE WAY IT IS. BUT SO HOW DO WE GET THERE? WE CONSOLIDATED CLASS TWO AND CLASS THREE INTO A NEW CLASS TWOIGN DISTRICT. SO THAS YOUR MULTIFALY AND YOU'RE KIND OF LESS INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S JUST GREATER LIMITATIONS ON IS APPROPRIATE THE MOST MAYBE IMPORTANT ASPECT TO THIS CONSOLIDATION IS COMBINING THE EXISTING CLASS FOUR AND CLASS FIVE SIGN DISTRICTS SO THIS INTO THE NEW THREE. SO THE NEW CLASS THREE UNDER THIS NEW SIGN CODE IS REALLY GOING TO BE 90 PLUS PERCENT OF THE TIME. THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN INSTALLER IS GOING TO GO TO FIND THEIR GIVEN PROPERTY AND THE REASON THAT IS BECAU THAT'S WHERE T MAJORITY OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IS IN THE SIGN IS IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT NEW CLASS THREE ASSIGNED DISTRICT AND THEN FINALLY CLASS. SO THE EXISTING CLASSICS I DON'T LIKE THAT SAY THAT EXISTING CLASS X KIND OF A TONGUE TWISTER BUT THE EXISTING CLASS SIX AND PROPOSED IS THE CLASS FOUR THAT SEEKS TO IS THAT'S THE MALL OF AMERICA AS WELL AS THERE'S A FEW OTHER THAT NOW HAVE THAT ZONING DESIGNATION IT USED TO BE ONLY THE MALL OF AMERICA HAD THAT ZONING DESIGNATION BUT NOW IT ALSO INCLES THE THUNDERBI SITE THE IKEA SITE, THE ADJOINING LANDS EAST OF MALL OF AMERICA . SO THOSE ARE ALL NOW SIX TWO STAFF REALLY DOESN'T SEE A VIABLE WAY TO KIND OF WRAP THE THOSE PROPERTIES GIVEN THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY A REGIONAL A KIND OF INTERNATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT TYPE DESTINATION IDEALLY TO TO COMBINE THOSE STANDARDS WITH ANY OTHER SIGN DISTRICT SO IT MAKES SENSE TO MAINTAIN THAT AS ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTITY. AND THEN FINALLY THE CLASS FIVE SIGN DISTRICT SO T EXISTING SIGNODE HAD SEPARATE STANDARDS FOR HSR AND THEN FOR B4 AND C FIVE AND ALEX THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS BASICALLY AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST COMBINE THE HSR INTO TO CREATE A SIGNED DISTRICT THAT'S MORE INTENDED FOR PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SMALLER SIGNAGE, SMALLER FREESTANDING SIGNS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD? MR. JOHNSON. WITH THEHE N CLASS FOR SAID THAT HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE OLD CLASS SIX IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE THE STANDARD YEAH THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOK SO THE STANDARDS THEREIN HAVE CHANGED BUT IT BEING ITS OWN SEPARATE SIGN DISTRICT THAT REMAINS AND WHEN THAT WAS DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY WAS MALL OF AMERICA ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS THERE ? WELL GLEN, YOU WOULD KNOW MORE THAN I BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WE CAN GET INTO THE SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF FREESTANDING AND BUILDING SIGNAGE FOR THE MALL BUT ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE MALL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT IS THAT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME NOW THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING A MASTER SIGN PLAN AND SO YES, YOU WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE MALL OF AMERICA WHEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SIGN DISTRICT IN TERMS OF THE NEW RULES THAT WE ADOPTED IS A VERY CLUNKY PROCESS TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MASTER SIGN PLAN APPROVAL EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO CHANGE SIGNAGE AT THE MALL OF AMERICA FOR EXAMPLE IN A WAY THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR APPROVAL. BUT WHAT WE ALSO TO BE COGNIZANT OF IS THOSE OTHER NEWER SITES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO SEE TO AS I MENTIONED THUNDERBIRD, IKEA ADJOINING LANDS. SO THE MALL IS VERY IMPORTANT NO DOUBT BUT I THINK I WOULD URGE US ALL TO FOCUS ON THOSE ALLOWANCES ON THOSE OTHER SITES AS WELL AND THEIR USE AS A REGIONAL OR DESTINATION ENTERTAINMENT TYPE VENUES. SO THIS TYPE OF TABLE SHOULD LOOK FAIRLY FAMILIAR TO YOU AND SO MUCH AS IT VERY MUCH AS MODELS ITSELF OFF OF THE USE TABLE IN THE ZONING CODE HAVE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, WE LAYOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT ALLOWED USES AND WE IDENTIFY WHICH ZONING DISTRICTS THOSE USES ARE ALLOWED THIS VERY MUCH COPIES THAT IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT WHICH SIGNS ARE ALLOWED IN WHAT SIGN DISTRICT A COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL POINT OUT SO THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN TERMS OF ALLOWING SIGN TYPES IN DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT. THE BIGGEST ONE THAT COMES UP A LOT IS PYLON SIGNS. WE DO RESTRICT PYLON SIGNS EXCUSE ME TO OUR CURRENTLY OUR CURRENTLY OUR CLASS FOUR BUT IT'S MAJORITY OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES FOR EXAMPLE WE DON'T ALLOW PYLON SIGNS IN OUR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO THE WAY I WOULD DESCRIBE THIS SECTION IS IT'S VERY MUCH JUST REFORMATTING IN A WAY THAT'S IN THE TABLE AND HOPEFULLY FAIRLY EASY AND STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND JUST AS OPPOSED TO ALL THESE KIND OF LONG REDUNDANT UNDERNEATH ALL THE SIGNED DISTRICTS WE DO HAVE SOME REMOVED TYPES. IT KIND OF COMES IN MULTIPLE FORMS. ONE IS WE JUST HAVE SOME SIGN TYPES THAT WE NEVER UTILIZE AND DON'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE ANYMORE. SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT I'M BLANKING ON IT MAYBE I'LL COME BACK TO THAT BUT IN ADDION TO THAT SOHE OTH TYPES OF REMOVE SIG TYPES ISIND OF COMBINING SIGNAGE TYPES THAT ARE JUST REDUNDANT OR UNNECESSARY. SO CURRENTLY THE EXISTING SIGN CODE HAS TWO DIFFERENT FREESTANDING SIGN TYPES GROUND SIGN AND MONUMENT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM IS THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS . IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE SIGN TYPES FOR THAT. SO YEAH THE SIGN TYPE I'M FORGETTING AND IT CAN'T COME TO MY MIND IS AT THE MOVIE THEATER WHEN YOU HAVE WHAT DOES THAT COST FOR THE MARQUEE THANK YOU I DON'T KNOW I JUST MOVED OUT. THE MARQUEE SIGN IS NO MORE YOU'RE SO WE DO HAVE SOME REMOVE SIGN TYPES AND SOME THAT JUST CONSOLIDATED ON THE BASIS OF MAKING OUR REGULATIONS LESS CONFUSING FOR CLARIFICATION WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WALL GRAPHIC AND A MAL? YEAH GOOD GOOD QUESTION. SO A MURAL IS A MURAL CAN INCLUDE SIGNAGE BUT A WALL GRAPHIC TYPICALLY WILL ALWAYS BE COMMERCIAL SPEECH AND SO IF IT WAS A NON IT COULD BE NONCOMMERCIAL SPEECH THEORETICALLY BUT A MURAL IS GOING TO BE AN ORIGINAL WORK OF ART AND I KNOW GETTING INTO THAT I DON'T WANT TO REVISIT THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION WITH OUR ATTORNEY FRIEND BUT A WALL GRAPHIC IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S PRINTED OR MANUFACTURED AND ADHERE TO A OR AS A MURAL IS GOING TO BE AN ORIGINAL CREATION. SO THE ONE THAT I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON HERE WAS YEAH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. ARE YOU SURE QUICKLY ABOUT LIGHT POLE SIGNS. YEAH. SO I SEE THAT'S ONLY AVAILABLE WITHIN CLASS ONE. MM. I SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVING THE LIGHT POLE SIGNS WELCOMING PEOPLE SO THAT IT TO THERE'S CITY DOES THIS PREVENT US FROM DOING FOR EXAMPLE ON LYNDALE AVENUE WITH THE YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPMT PLAN THAT WE HAVE OR ANOTHER THOROUGHFARES WITHIN WITHIN THE CITY YEAH THAT'S A QUESTION COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN BECAUSE IT BRINGS UP JUST A BROADER THAT'S GOING TO HELP US THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION AND SO THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS ARE TYPICALLY FOUND IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THE SIGN CODE IS APPLICABLE TO PRIVATE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY SO THE THE LIGHT POLE SIGNS THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IN THIS CASE IS KIND OF A NORM AND NOW AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE YOU SEE THEY HAVE THOSE IN THEIR PARKING LOT OR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL OR YOU KW WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE AT CORPORATE OR SCHOOL CAMPUSES. BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. MR. JOHNSON YES. SORRY. WHAT WAS A MARQUEE SIGN? A MARQUEE SIGN WAS A SIGN WAS AND THIS KIND OF GETS INTO ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THE EXISTING CODE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT SILLY IN MY VIEW THAT'S NOT A TECHNICAL TERM BUT IS THAT IT'S A MARQUEE IS CREATING THAT CHANGEABLE COPY FOR WHATEVER THE SHOWING IS GOING TO BE OF THAT DAY RIGHT AT THE MOVIE THEATER SO IT'S THE SIGNAGE ON THOSE ON THOSE CAN BE ELEMENTS OOF A THEATER OR OF A USE THAT HAS THAT TYPE OF CHANGEABLE TYPE SITUATION GOING THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IS JUST THAT IF IT'S ON A BUILDING IT'S A BUILDING SIGN. THERE ARE SPECIFIC SIGN TYPES UNDERNEATH THAT UMBRELLA BUT WE'RE NOT THAT TYPE OF SIGN. IT'S JUST WRAPPED UP INTO SOMETHING. CORRECT. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY CAN BUILD A MARQUEE. THAT'S OKAY. SO THE ONE ONE ITEM AND I SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE POINT EXERCISE AND I FEEL LIKE I, I BRUSHED PAST THAT THE WAY THAT THE MAYBE MOSTLY FOR COMMISSIONER CURRY'S BENEFIT BUT THE WAY THAT THE POLLING EXERCISE IS AT THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION IN JANUARY WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO IS TO SEPARATE OUT THE ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE BROAD CONSENSUS THE WHOLE BODIES ARE A-OK, ARE FULLY ON BOARD AND. I THINK WE HAD FOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PRESENT AT THAT ACTIVITY AND FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS DID THE SAME ACTIVITY. SO WE'RE A BETTER NICER TO HAVE THE BIGGER GROUPS JUST TO TRY AND BUILD THAT BROADER CONSENSUS. BUT WE HAD SEVERAL POLL QUESTIONS THAT WERE LIKE THREE TWO SPLITS, TWO TO SPLITS, THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT CAME UP WAS THIS UNIFORMITY OF SOUND CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITIES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU HAVE WALL SIGNS ON A BUILDING THAT THEY ALL BE THE SAME CONSTRUCTION TYPE AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE SAME CONSTRUCTION TYPE THERE IS CABINET SIGNS OR YOU JUST HAVE A FULL ON CABINET WITH BACKLIT AND THEN THERE'S THE CHANNEL CUT WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL LETTERS CUT OUT AND FABRICATED AND THEN TYPICALLY IN TURN TO THE LIT THEY DON'T EITHER ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIT BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN TYPES OF CONSTRUION THAT WE S STF IS NOT RECOMMENDING TO REQUIRE UNIFORMITY CONSTRUCTION FOR SEVERAL I WROTE SOME ABOUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT JUST FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT AND AGAIN CIRCLING BACK TO THOSE PROJECT GOALS WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO FROM A REGULATED REGULATION STANDPOINT WE RECOGNIZE THAT NOT YOU KNOW, NOT THE DECISION MAKERS MAY NOT AGREE WITH US ON THAT POINT. WE'LL SEE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THAT, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO CAN LAY OUT THE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY MR. JOHNSON EVER QUESTION AROUND EHER CURRENT OR CODE I TAKE YOUR PICK BUT YOU KNOW I KNOW OUR CURRENT SAYS OKAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL CHANNEL OR ALL BOX LINES OR WHATEVER AND NOW WE'RE MOVING AWAY THAT BUT WHAT ABOUT A BUSINESS THAT IS IN A MULTI LET'S JUST CALL A STRIP CENTER THEY THEY WANT ANY SIGN OR LIKE SO I'M THINKING OF ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT I WON'T NAME THE THEY PUT UP A WINDOW CALLING INSTEAD OF A SIGN LIKE THE REST OF THE STRIP CENTER. IS THAT ALLOWED BY CODE ? YEAH. SO CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOKED THIS CODE AS WELL AS THE EXISTING SIGN CE . THE DRAFT COMING IS CALLED THE DRAFT CODE DRAFT CODE AND THE EXISTING CODE BOTH HAVE ALLOWANCES FOR WINDOW SIGNS WHICH CAN BE HUNG OR ADHERED TO THE WINDOW. THEY'RE JUST LIMITED TO 25% COVERAGE AND AS WAS MENTIONED DURING THE FIRST ITEM OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT THAT CAN BE A HARD THING TO REGULATE SOMETIMES YOU BUSINESS OWNERS EVEN IF I KNOW OF ENFORCEMENT CASES WHERE WE HAVE WRITTEN ORDERS ON TYPES OF THINGS SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET IT CORRECTED AND THEN YOU KNOW A YEAR EVEN IN SOME CASES A FEW MONTHS LATER SOME THOSE WINDOW CONVERSION MESSAGES WILL GO UP AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WINDOW SIGNAGE IS FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT EYES ON THE STREET BUT ALSO IT CREATES A LOT MORE ACTIVATION BETWEEN THE INTERNAL USES OF THE BUSINESS AND THE OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT DIRECTLY OUTSIDE THAT. SO IF IT'S COMPLETELY COVERED IN SIGNS, IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THEY CAN'T WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSID SO IS JUST NOTOT A NOT VERY GOOD AND THEN YOU KNOW JUST WITH ANYTHING WITH SIGNAGE IS JUST MANAGING VISUAL CLUTTER. SO IF YOU LEAVE THAT UNREGULATED YOU'LL JUST HAVE AN INCREASING INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL MESSAGES IN YOUR CITY WHICH CAN JUST IN CLUTTER . YES. I'M NOT RUNNING THIS MEETING. I DON'T KNOW I'M ACTING LIKE I AM. IT'S A STUDY ITEM SO WE'RE A LITTLE LESS FORMAL. OKAY. WHILE WE'RE ON SIGN TYPES I'M DRIVING DOWN FOR 94. I'M LIKE WHAT IS ARE WHAT'S THE ILLUMINATION OF T.I FM THE INTERIOR TO THE EXTERIOR DOOR OF THE BUILDING ATTRACTING ATTENTION TO THEIR MAIN SIGN IS THAT CONSIDERED IN HERE AND CBRE JUST DOWN THE STREET ALSO HAS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THEY ILLUMINATE THE ROOM AND THEN YOU SEE THE CBRE SIGN THEY'RE JUST MUCH SMALLER IS THAT IS THAT IN HERE OR YEAH GOOD QUESTIONS OF CHAIR COMMISSIONER CHRIS I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CBRE SITUATION BUT MY FOR THE MOST PART THOSE ARE ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTS NOW THAT CAN SOMETIMES RUN AFOUL OF OUR EXISTING CITY CODE AND LIKELY ALSO MAY VEER OFF TRACK WITH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. IS THAT DO HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS ON BLINKING AND FLASHING AND KIND OF MOVING CREATING LIGHTING PATTERNS THAT CREATE THE ESSENCE OF MOVEMENT AND SO SOMETHING AND AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND VIDEO SIGNS AND I GOT THE TRAFFIC FOLKS ARE BACK HERE SO THEY'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON ME WITH THIS WITH THIS TOPIC BUT WHERE THAT WHERE THE CONFLICT BECOMES IS JUST THAT AT SOME POINT SOME OF THESE SIGN TYPES BECOME HAZARD TO PUBLIC SAFETY JUST FROM A FORM OF DRIVER DISTRACTION OR OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR. SO I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE CBRE ONE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE BUILDING SIGN IS ACTUALLY ON THE INSIDE OF BUILDING BUT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S IT'S ON IT IS ON THE EXTERIOR SYSTEMS. THE ROOM BEHIND IT IS LIT I'M JUST THINKING MORE ABOUT IS IS INTERIOR THE ELIMINATION OF THE BUILDING FROM THE INSIDE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE BUIING OR T SIGN SPECIFICALLY IS THAT PART OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION OR IS IT A SEPARATE THING? YEAH TRICIA KOREA WOULDN'T BE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE PAST AND THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGING ISSUE. BUT NO, I MEAN WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS GOING TO REGULATE THE SPEECH COMMERCIAL OR NONCOMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE ,YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING THAT'S REALLY MORE THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE IF WE WANTED TO ADOPT MORE STRICT STANDARDS IN TERMS OF IN IN A FEW OF THOSE CASES THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK TO IF IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR EXAMPLE WANT TO ATTACH AS WE'VE LEARNED WITH THE YOU WON'T MENTION AGAIN A CONDITIONS TO THAT BUT IT'S PROBABLY A LIGHTING ORDINANCE WHICH THERE ARE CONNECTION POINTS SO CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AT THAT. OKAY MR. JOHNSON YEAH. GOING BACK TO THE UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE BUILDING SIGNS SO THAT REALLY REFERS TO THE STRIP CENTERS HAVING EITHER CHANNEL OR CUT RATE CUT CABINET CABINET YEP. SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE WELL THERE'S ONE STRIP CENTER THAT I KNOW OF OF AMERICAN AND PANACHE THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN IT A MIXED USE MORGAN SHOPS WHAT WAS THAT SHOPS YES YEAH VERSUS MANY OF THE OTHERS WITHIN THE CITY ARE CONSISTENT I AM A STRONG BELIEVER IN CONSISTENCY AND HAVING THEM NOT THE SAME DOES LOOK CLUTTERED I DOESN'T LOOK AS POLISHED AS HAVING CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE STRIP CENTER SO REMOVING THAT AS A AS A REQUIREMENT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. YEAH. IF I AND IF MAY PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF WHAT INFORMED STAFF THINKING ON THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL MENTION AND THEN I'LL GET INTO MY FOUR POINTS. ONE IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES ACTUALLY DRIVE BUS A LOT ON THIS ISSUE AND SO CAROL SANDERSONOR EXAMPLE NOT TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THEM BUT THEY'LL HAVE SIGNAGE STANDARDS FOR THEIR MULTI CENTERS, MULTI TENANTS, YOU KNOW STRIP THAT THEY HAVE IN TOWN AND THEY'LL MEET THEIR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. SO WE DO AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLANS IN A LITTLE BIT HERE A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE LINE AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE NEW THE EXISTING SIGN CODE IS SIGN DESIGNS. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CITY USES TO TRACK WHAT SIGNS ARE ALLOWED THERE IN MULTI-TENANT SITUATIONS RIGHT NOW IT'S MANDATORY. WH THE N CODE WOULD DO IS MAKE IT DISCRETIONARY SO IF A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO STILL HAVE UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WOULD JUST BECOME MORE OF A PROPERTY OWNER DECISION VERSUS WHAT CITY IS DICTATING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT THIS REALLY GETS INTO THAT ARENA AND WE DEAL WITH THIS A LOT AND SIGNAGE IS WHAT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE TYPE CONSIDERATIONS AND WHAT OUR ESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU CAN'T REGULATE THE ESTHETICS YOU CAN IT JUST ALSO IT VEERS FOR US PHILOSOPHICALLY IT VEERS INTO THAT ARENA IS THAT ARE WE MAKING THIS THAT CHOICE ARE WE REALLY PROTECTING AGAINST SOMETHING AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE THINK ABOUT. EXCUSE ME. SORRY KID COLTON KID CROWDS WHAT I WROTE IN THE STAFF REPORT IS FOUR THINGS. THIS IS WHAT STAFF HAS ENCOUNTERED ON THIS VERY ISSUE. THE FIRST IS IS THAT THERE'S MANY BUSINESSES THAT MOVE IN HERE AND THEY WANT THEY HAVE A LOGO AND THEY HAVE THEIR IDEA OF WHAT THE SON GOING TO BEND. IT'S A CABINET SIGN AND WE TELL HIM YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING WHY NOT ? THIS IS MY CORPORATE EVERYTHING ALL OVER MY BUSINESS LETTERHEAD, MY CARDS, MY ALL MY PRODUCTS HAS THIS SPECIFIC AND THEY CAN'T BUILD THEIR SIGN IN A WAY THAT MATCHES THEIR BUSINESS ALL THEIR BUSINESS BRANDING BECAUSE THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF THEIR SIGN THAT CAN BE A CABINET IT'S 25% AS PART OF A CHANNEL LETTER SITE. SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE. THE SECOND ISSUE IS JUST FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT WE WANT TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF REQUIRING A UNIFORM SIGN DESIGN WHI IN THE NEWODE ARE CLED COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLANS FOR EVERY PROPERTY. IT JUST ADDS LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY. YOU HAVE TO AMEND THEM. IT BECOMES KIND OF A JUST A CHALLENGING IN THAT RESPECT. THE THIRD ISSUE I'M FORGETTING OFFHAND BUT THE FOURTH ISSUE IS JUST REALLY ABOUT COST AND THAT CAN BE AN EQUITY ISSUE CHANNEL CUT SIGNS ARE TWICE IF NOT SEVEN TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A CABINET SIGN. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WELCOMING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OR IN THE BLOOMINGTON AND TRYING TO DO THAT SOMETIM A CHANNEL CUTIGN THEY LOOK AT THE PRICE TAG OF THAT THAT'S QUITE SHOCKING. SIGNAGE CAN BE FAIRLY SO I FORGOT WHAT THE THIRD ONE WAS. IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT I GUESS ALL I WOULD SAY IN CONCLUSION THAT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION THAT THE DECISION MAKERS TELL US TO GO OF COURSE BUT JUST IN OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE ISSUE ON A ROUTINE BASIS, WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S THE BEST SPOT FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO BE DICTATING ON THAT ISSUE. THE DECISION MAKERS ARE GOING MAKE THE AND WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW AND I'M SORRY IT'S ACTUALLY LONG ON THAT ONE. OKAY. GETTING INTO THE ALLOWANCES SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE POLLING EXERCISE IS HOW MUCH SIGNAGE DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE AND KNOWING COMMISSIONER CURRIE AND I COULD BE ABLE TO READ NUMBERS IN THAT BIG SPREADSHEET SO SORRY I I'M SQUINTING BUT AT THE POLLING EXERCISE WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD THREE CHOICES ON QUANTITY OF SIGNAGE DO WE HAVE TOO MH SIGNAGE? DOE HAVE TOOITTLE ORS IT JUST RIGHT KIND OF THAT GOLDILOCKS SITUATION SO WE EVERYONE THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSENSUS EXCUSE ME AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IS THAT THEY THOUGHT THE ALLOWANCES FOR SIGNAGE WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD IN BLOOMINGTON AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GENERAL OPERATING PRINCIPLES IS TO GENERALLY NOT TRY AND CREATE A BUNCH OF NON-CONFORMITY WITH RESPECT TO THE QUANTITY OF SIGNAGE. THAT BEING SAID THERE ARE INSTANCES AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN BLOOMINGTON WHERE THE SIGNS ARE JUST FAR TOO LARGE THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ATTENTION TO ANY SPECIFIC BUT THE LIMITS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD KIND ADDRESS WOULD ALLOW FOR 90% OF THE EXISTING SITUATIONS TO GO FORWARD AND WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE OF THE CODE BUT WOULD HOPEFULLY ROOT OUT SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE JUST ISN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT'S INSTALLED IN . SO HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. SO HOW DO WE DO THAT MATH? HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE? AGAIN, WE LOOK TO BEST PRACTICES FROM LOCAL ORDINANCES AND THEN WHAT THIS SPREADSHEET IS ON THE SCREEN IS BASICALLY WE TESTED 50 PLUS WAL SIGNS THAT WE'D ISSUED PERMITS ON RECENTLY AND AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF FREESTANDING SIGNS AND WE SET DIFFERENT LEVELS FOR THIS NEXT POINT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT LOT AND BUILDING FRONTAGE SO MULTIPLICATION FACTORS HOW MUCH SIGNAGE DO YOU GET IF YOU HAVE A MULTIPLE CAN MULTIPLICATION FACTOR ONE PER ONE LINEAL FOOT AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT ON THE SLIDE HERE. COMING UP. BUT THAT'S HOW WE BASICALLY ARRIVED AT SOME OF THE LEVELS THAT WE ARRIVEDT, WE'RE STILLEFINING THOSE AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING THOSE BUT I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEM IN OUR BUILDING AND FREESTANDING SIGNS SLIDES. YES THANKS. WHAT DID THE WHAT DID THE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS LIKE NAI AND SCA SAY ABOUT SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES? YEAH. THANKS COMMISSIONER CURRIE. THEY HAVEN'T COMMENTED ON THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT YET. IF THEY DO WE'LL CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK TO BEAR ON IN A PUBLIC HEARING SETTING. I THINK THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING AND I'LL THA OUT HERE ON T NEXT SLIDE BUT THE BIG THING FROM A METHODOLOGY THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING SAYING THE EXISTING CODE IN MANY DISTRICTS JUST SET FLAT AMOUNTS OF SIGNAGE YOU'RE ALLOWED A SQUARE FOOT SIGN OR A 60 SQUARE FOOT SIGN OR WHATEVER AND THAT THAT METHOD IS ALSO USED IN THE NEW SANCO BUT WHERE THIS ONE'S DIFFERENT IS THAT PARTICULAR ON BUILDING SIGNS WE CURRENTLY CALCULATE PERCENTAGES OF WALLAROO WHICH UNLESS YOU HAVE DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS OF A BUILDING BE A DIFFICULT THING TO DO AND SO BY USING EITHER A LOT FRONTAGE DIMENSION OR A ILDING OR TENANT SPACE FRONTAGE DIMENSION WHICH ARE READILY AVAILABLE DATA THROUGH THE ASSESSING DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE PLANTS OF THE PROPERTIES THEMSELVES IT JUST BECOMES A MUCH MORE PRECISE AND EASY CALCULATION TO MAKE ON THE PART OF THE SIGN INSTALLER APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT AS WELL AS STAFF WHO ARE ADMINISTERING THE ORDINANCE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT JUST BRINGS LESS COMPLEXITY AND MORE CONSISTENCY TO THE TO THE PROCESS FREESTANDING SIGNS SO AS I MENTIONED IN THE CLASS ONE AND TWO DISTRICT YOU JUST THERE'S YOUR EXAMPLES OF JUST FLAT AMOUNTS OF SIGNAGE THESE ARE YOUR NEIGHBOR IDENTIFICATION SIGNS ARE YOUR PARK SIGNS. THESE ARE WELL I SHOULDN'T SAY PARK SIGNS. THESE ARE PLACES OF ASSEMBLY NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS BASICALLY. AND THEN YOUR MULTIFAMILY USES AND THEN THESE KIND OF LESSER INTENSE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES B ONE AND I ONE WHEN YOU GET INTO CLASS THREE AND THAT'S WHERE I SAID, YOU KNOW, 90% OF THE PERMITS ARE GOING TO COME IN THROUGH THAT CLASS THREE SIGN DISTRICT WITH THIS DRAFT. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO THIS LOT FRONTAGE AND FOUR SO FREESTANDING SIGNS USES LOT FRONTAGE AND BUILDING SIGNS USE THIS BUILDING FRONTAGE THE REASON THAT WE LIKE HAVING A FRONTAGE CALCULATION IS RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE EXISTING SIGN CODE IS LAID OUT IS THAT IF YOU HAD A 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF PROPERTY GET THE SAME SIZE SIGN AS A PROPERTY THAT'S FOUR TIMES AS LARGE 200 SQUARE 200 FEET RIGHT NEXT TO YOU HAVING A LOT FRONTAGE CALCULATION ACTUALLY PROVIDES AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE COMMENSURATE WITH HOW LARGE THE PROPERTY AND OF COUE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CONNECTION IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY TYPICALLY SO THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN OUR DRAFT IS 0.4 SQUARE FEET OF FREESTANDING SIGN AREA PER LINEAL FOOT OF FRONTAGE AND THEN WE HAVE MAXIMUM CAPS SO OUR CURRENT COUNTRY OF MAXIMUM CAPS MAXIMUM UP TO 100. SO IN THIS EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE TWO ACTUALLY OF THREE FRONTAGES ON THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A GAS STATION IN TOWN BUT I'LL JUST POINT OUT THE NORTHERN AND THE EASTERN SIDES OF THE PROPERTY IT'S GOT A DIMENSION OF 260 FEET AND THEN A DIMENSION OF 185 FEET ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. THEY'RE GOING TO MAX OUT AT THAT 100 BECAUSE IF YOU MULTIPLY TO 65 BY 0.4 YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE 100 SQUARE FEET. SO IT JUST CAPPED BUT IF YOU MULTIPLY 185 FEET OF LOT FRONTAGE BY THE POINT FOUR YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO FREESTANDING SIGN SIZE OF 74 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S GENERALLY JUST I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST DO ONE EXAMPLE FROM A METHODOLOGY STANDPOINT OF KIND OF JUST HOW THAT WORKS. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THIS IS THAT AGAIN WE WE RECOGNIZE WE'RE ING TO CREAT SOME NONCONFORMITY NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE. BUT NOW THE REASON WHY THE EXISTING CLASS FIVE DISTRICT HAD DIFFERENT STANDARDS IS THAT THERE'S SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRETTY INTENSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO THINK SOUTH TOWN, THINK STUFF ALONG HIGHWAY THAT HAVE ALLOWANCES FOR VERY TALL AND LARGER SIGNS. WE'RE RETAINING THAT IN THOSE SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICTS ONLY AT THIS TIME AND SO SIGNS THOSE DISTRICTS IF THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO FOUR 9435 W THEY WOULD BE GRANTED GREER SIGN HEIGHT AS WELL AS SIGN AREA THE CAP GOES UP BASICALLY UP TO 200 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE CONSIDERED EXPANDING THAT ALLOWANCE TO SOME OTHER DISTRICTS BUT AT A LOWER HEIGHT NOT AT THE 45 POSSIBLY GOING UP TO 30 FEET FOR OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG THE HIGHWAY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST AND ANALYZING. MR. JOHNSON I IN THE FOOTNOTES HERE YOU HAVE 35 W FOR 9477 I WAS SURPRISED TO NOT SEE 169 ON THAT LIST. SO ANY ANYNTENTIONS THERE. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. THERE'S JUST NOT INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON 169 . THERE'S AN AVERAGE THERE'S A FEW OTHER SITES. THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL ALONG THERE. THERE'S ALSO SOUND WALLS IN SOME LOCATIONS TOO. SO THIS MATCHES THE EXISTING SIGN CODE SOMETIMES I HATE TO SAY PLANNERS JUST MAYBE TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT AND LOOK TO THAT BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST IT'S REALLY JUST RECOGNITION OF THE INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG FOR ANY35 AND 77 IT' JUST MUCH GREATER . YEP. GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. THANK YOU. SO YEAH I TOUCHED ON THE TALLER SIGNS FOR THE C2 C3 DISTRICT AND WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PUT THAT FORWARD POTENTIALLY FOR SIX TO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BUT YEAH WE'LL KEEP GOING HERE AND KEEP IT MOVING. BUILDING SCIENCE SO SIMILAR TO AND CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THESE SECTIONS MOVING ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO A TABLE MAYBE THAT'S OBVIOUS IT'S CLEAR I DON'T NEED TO MAYBE SAY THAT BUT THE TABLES INCLUDE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED WHAT ELEVATIONS THE SIGNS ARE ALLOWED ON THE HEIGHTS OF THE SIGNS AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGN SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S ALL JUST CONSOLIDATED IN ONE PLACE IS GOING TO MAKE IT MUCH EASIER THE USER TO JUST FIND THE INFORMATION THEY NEED AND MOVE ON WITH THEIR DAY SO THE SIZE ALLOWANCE SO THIS SAME EXERCISE WE DID FOR FREESTANDING SIGNS WE TESTED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BUILDING SIGNS ARRIVED AT 1.25 SQUARE FEET PER LINEAL, FOOT OF SPACE OR ALSO WITH A CAP. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO THE NEW SIGN CODE OUR EXISTING DOES NOT CAP BUILDING SIGNS IF YOU HAVE A HUGE A HUGE BUILDING YOU CAN HAVE A HUGE BUILDING SIGN AND MANY PEOPLE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE OR IT'S JUST MAYBE NOT A GOOD DESIGN OR A LITTLE OSTENTATIOUS OR WHAT HAVE YOU BUT WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT JUST TO INSERT CAP IN THERE WITH NO INDIVIDUAL SIGN. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE FULL WALL IS CAPPED AT THAT BUT THERE' NO INDIVIDUAL SIGN EXCEEDING THAT 250 IS VERY LARGE. IN FACT THAT'S HOW WE DEFINE BILLBOARDS. BUT UM SO YEAH CLASSES ONE, TWO AND FOUR INCLUDE FLAT ALLOWANCES PER ELEVATION CLASSES THREE AND FIVE HAVE THESE MULTIPLICATION FACTORS BASED ON BUILDING ONE NOTABLE CHANGE I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHICH IS A CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING SIGN CODE OR PROPOSAL WHICH IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS YOU CAN HAVE SIGNS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF YOUR BUILDING WE'RE PROPOSING TO EXTEND THAT ALSO TO OUR CLASS THREE SIGN DISTRICT WHICH IS THE OF OU COMMERCIAL AND INDUSIAL SITES AND THE WE FEEL THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE IS THAT SOMETIMES WE OFTEN GET INTO WELL NOT TO GET INTO ANOTHER WEIRD COMPLEXITY OF OUR EXISTING SIGN CODE BUT BASICALLY WE JUST THINK THAT BY REGULATING SIGN LIGHTING AND THE BRIGHTNESS OF SIGNS THAT'S REALLY GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES AS IT PERTAINS TO GIVE YOU A RECENT EXAMPLE THERE'S YOU KNOW YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH A TAPROOM SOMEWHERE NEARBY THEIR CURRENT SIGN CODE YOU COULDN'T HAVE A SIGN ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOU COULD HAVE LAWN GAMESND HER THINGS AND THAT THING GOING ON. SO THERE'S A MORE COMPLEXITY TO HOW BUILDINGS AND SITES ARE USED WHICH ISN'T GOVERNED BY ONLY IN FRONT OF PUBLIC FRONTAGES IF THAT MAKES SENSE IF THE NUISANCE IS THE LIGHTING AND THE BRIGHTNESS LET'S REGULATE THOSE BUT NOT PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM PUTTING UP A BUILDING SIGN. THAT'S JUST OUR THINKING ON THE MATTER. MR. JOHNSON YES, GREAT QUESTION. SO CLASS THREE IS MOST COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE CORRECT. SO WE HAVE NO LIMIT TO THE MAXIMUM OF BUILDINGS SIGNS ALLOWED. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED ALL? IT'S JUST THE THING ABOUT A BUILDING IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE METRO THAT'S AFFECTIONATELY REFERRED TO AS THE NASCAR BUILDING BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY SIGNS ON IT AND IT'S JUST NOT AS WELL REGARDED AS OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS IN METRO AREA. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD FIRST DEGREE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT NOW SO I HATE TO SAY THAT THAT'S AND FOR THE MOST PART IT HASN'T GOTTEN US IN TROUBLE. WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF SCENARIOS. I MEAN AGAIN, TASTEFUL AND GOOD PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE EXECUTION OF KIND OF AN ESTHETICALLY PLEASING COMMUNITY. BUT SO WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT NOW AGAIN IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT CREATING FLEXIBILITY AND CREATING WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE URBAN, MORE VIBRANT DESIGNS WITH THEIR BUILDINGS AND CAPPING THE NUMBER IS A WAY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN SOME CASES. YEAH I THINKHAT'S RIGHT STOP WITH THAT ONE BUT YEAH I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY CONSUME ALL THEIR ALLOWANCE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THE AREA AND THAT'S WHAT AS REALLY THE LIMITING FOR THE BREAK OR THE GOVERNOR ON THE CAR IF YOU WILL I CAN USE THAT ANALOGY SO THERE IS A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS TRACKING ALL THE PERMITS OF THE OF THE WALL SIGNS ALREADY ON THE WALL IF THEY WERE TAPPED OUT OF THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY COULDN'T ADD ANOTHER SIGN IN REGARDLESS OF THE IT'S SAYING NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER WHAT'S ACTUALLY SERVES AS THE IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ACTUALLY BEING A SQUARE RATHER THAN JUST LINEAR ACROSS THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING IT'S DETERMINED THE LINEAR WIDTH OF THE BUILDING BUT THEN THAT GETS YOU TO A CALCULATION OF OKAY YOU 300 SQUARE FEET TO USE ON THIS BUILDING ELEVATION HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE IT? RIGHT. WHETHER IT BE IN 1030 SQUARE FOOT SIGNS OR YOU KNOW, 250 SQUARE FOOT SIGNS THAT'S UP TO THEM KIND OF THING. OKAY BUT THE SQUARE FEET IS REALLY WHAT SERVES AS THE GOVERNOR MAKES SENSE. THANK OR THE LIMITING FACTOR YEAH I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT WELL IN THE BEGINNING. SORRY SPECIAL USE STANDARDS. SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM WAS THESE DEDICATED SECTIONS OF SPECIAL USE SCIENCE STANDARDS. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S REALLY HARD TO ELIMINATE ALL SPECIAL USE SCIENCE STANDARDS. THERE ARE USES THAT DO WARRANT SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS IN SOME CASES SO AS OPPOSED TO HAVING DEDICATED TO THESE THINGS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM DIRECTLY WITHIN THE FREESTANDING BUILDING SCIENCE SECTIONS. SO FOR FREESTANDING SIGNS WE DO HAVE COLLEGE AND SCHOOL SCIENCE PARK SIGNS, PLAY FIELD SIGNS FOR THE MOST PART THESE ALL MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING ALLOWANCES ARE. I WILL STATE THERE ARE TWEAKS TO THE LIGHT POLE SIGNS AT SCHOOL CAMPUSES AND ONE NEW SIGN TYPE WE DID ADD IN IS PLAY FIELD SIGNS AT JEFFERSON. LINCOLN KENNEDY SO WE WILL WANT TO GET FEEDBACK ON THOSE THINGS AS IT RELATES TO THOSE FACILITIES BUILDING SIGNS THE SPECIAL U.S. SENATORS ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN OR THE TALL OFFIC TOWERS SERVICE AREAANOPIES THAT IS THAT IS KIND OF A UNIQUE CONSIDERATION FOR FUELING STATIONS BUT ONLY IN SOME AREAS WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED COLLEGE. ONCE AGAIN THE SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES YOU KNOW NORMAN DALE IS ZONED R ONE FOR EXAMPLE IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN ALL USES IN OUR ONE AND THEN SIGNS ON PARKING STRUCTURES SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A TWEAK AND A CHANGE WE CURRENTLY ALLOW SIGNS ON PARKING STRUCTURES ONLY IN A FEW SPECIFIC DISTRICTS THIS WOULD EXPAND THAT BUT IT WOULD SET LIMITS AND ONLY FOR TALLER. IT HAS TO BE THREE STORIES A MINIMUM AND IT WOULD LIMIT IT TO ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION AND CAP THE SIZE OF IT. SO SOMETHING FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL THAT YOU'RE ON THERE MR. JOHNSON I THINK YOU HAD IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING SPECIAL USE FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS, CORRECT? IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONE AWAY. AND WHAT WAS THAT SPECIAL STANDARD? YEAH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. YOU KNOW IT'S SOME OF THE SPECIAL USE STANDARDS CALL FOR TALLERREESTANDINGIGN ALLOWANCES THAN THEIR BASE DISTRICT. SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH LIKE HOTELS FOR EXAMPLE REQUIRE THAT HOTELS GET A UNIFORM SIGN DESIGN WHICH YOU KNOW SOME OF THIS STUFF I, I, I DON'T WANT TO THROW STONES AT MY FOREBEARS BUT SOME OF IT I QUESTION THE UTILITY OF SOME OF THESE THINGS BUT BASICALLY I THINK IN THE CASE OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE IT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT THE LARGER FREESTANDING SIGNS. SOME OF THOSE THINGS I THINK WE CAN GET TO A LOT OF THEM ARE LOCATED ALONG THE HIGHWAY IF WE CAN KIND OF REACH AN ACCOMMODATION FOR A LITTLE BIT TALLER SIGNS ALONG THE HIGHWAY BUT NOT JUST OPEN PANDORA'S BOX THAT REGARD THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STUDYING. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AT THE INITIAL STUDY SESSION WHEN THE ORIGINAL THE EXISTING SIGN CODE WAS CREATED THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. IN FACT THE DEGREE THAT THERE WAS SEVERAL SPECIAL I DON'T USE THE TERM SPECIAL INTERESTS THERE WAS SPECIFIC INTERESTS AT THE TABLE HELPING TO WRITE THOSE STANDARDS AND SOME OF THAT IS REFLECTED IN THOSE SPECIAL USE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE. YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF US GETTING RID OF THAT FOR AUTO SALES. ME TOO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ELECTRONIC SCIENCE SO I'M JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON THE NEW STUFF. I'M GOING TO TRY AND FOCUS ON THE NEW STUFF SO I'M WE'RE PROPOSING A MAXIMUM SIZE 150 SQUARE FEET AND ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THINK WITH ELECTRONIC SCIENCE IT AGAIN HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY DRIVER DISTRACTION OF THOSE ISSUES THAT CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS. AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT THESE SIGN TYPES ARE BECOMING MORE AFFORDABLE. THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BECOME MORE ACCESSLE FOR FOLKS A YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MANY DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL MESSAGES AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO JUST RE FACE THE SIGN. SO I MEAN THINK ABOUT NOT EVEN TODAY WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THEM BUT TEN, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAN WE HAVE TODAY. SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THE DWELL TIME THAT'S KIND OF THE THE BIG FIGHT ON THAT ONE BUT MAXIMUM SIZE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPPING IT SET BACK FROM RESIDENTIAL OF 100 FEET. WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ORIENTATION STANDARD THAT SAYS THAT NO ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT'S VISIBLE AND ORIENTED TOWARDS E RESIDENTIAL HOME WITHIN 150 FEET. SO IN EFFECT THAT SERVES A DOUBLE ANOTHER SETBACK IN EFFECT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT NIGHTTIME RESTRICTION AT THE BOTTOM. I'LL JUST GET TO DWELL TIME BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE A LOT OF THE ATTENTION GOES. DWELL TIME IS AN ISSUE THAT EVEN INTERNAL WITHIN OR I'LL BE FRANK INTERNAL WITHIN AN ORGANIZATION YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THAT PARKS AND REC STAFF AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO REALLY VALUE THOSE YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MESSAGES. THINK ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY MESSAGES THEY TO DO AND THEN YOU GOT THE TRAFFIC FOLKS WHO AR TRYING TOAINTAIN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE USING PUBLIC RIGHT SO AND THAT DOESN'T JUST INCLUDE DRIVERS IT INCLUDES PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, PEOPLE WHO USE ALL MODES. SO THAT'S REALLY THE TRICK IS . YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO SUPPORT SPEECH BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO SAFETY. THE CHALLENGE ON THIS ISSUE THAT I FOUND STUDYING IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH MATERIAL OUT THERE AND IT ALL GOES IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND DOESN'T LAND ON ONE CONSENSUS SPOT AS FAR AS THESE DWELL TIMES AND TO BE EAR FOR EVERYBODY DWELL TIME IS THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE IMAGE HAS TO BE STATIC. WHATEVER YOU HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN IT CAN'T BE CHANGING RAPIDLY. SO OUR CURRENT THE STANDARDS WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT CODE ARE 8 SECONDS FOR CHANGEABLE COPY THAT MIRRORS UP I'M GETTING JUST TELL THEM WHAT IT IS NOW SO OH YEAH YEP TODAY'S STANDARD IS 8 SECONDS FOR CHANGEABLE COPY SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT FOR GRAPHICS IT'S 20 MINUTES TODAY THE DRAFT HAS A DWELL TIME OF 10 MINUTES WITHIN IT SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AS OUR PROSAL. SO FOR TS EXAMPLE AT AMERICA'S DRIVE IN IS THIS CHANGEABLE COPY IS THIS GRAPHICS THAT WOULD BE GRAPHICS YEAH IT'S GOT THE HAMBURGER AND THE CHEESESTEAK RIGHT THERE BEHIND IT. IT'S WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE HAD BOTH ON THERE YEAH IF IT HAS GRAPHICS AND IT FALLS IN THE GRAPHICS CATEGORY CHANGEABLE COPY IS REALLY JUST A COLORED BACKGROUND WITH TEXT ONLY AND THIS IS APPLICABLE TO BILLBOARDS. IT IS YEAH AND THAT BRINGS UP OTHER LEGAL ISSUES IN TERMS NON-CONFORMIT KIND OF EXPANDING NONCONFORMITY AND OTHER BUT YOU KNOW THE BILLBOARDS THAT DO EXIST IN TOWN AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT BILLBOARDS BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THEM PROHIBITED ONES IF TO THE ONES THAT ARE THERE TODAY HAVE RIGHTS BUT SOME OF THEM COULD TRANSITION TO ELECTRONIC THEORETICALLY IS SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT REFRESH RATE ON THE EXISTING BILLBOARDS ARE BUT WOULD THEY BECOME LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING AND THEN THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO IT OR IS THERE AN ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN OR I DON'T HAVE ANY DIGITAL BILLBOARDS IN RICHFIELD CERTAINLY HAS ONE THAT I CAN SEE FROM MY WINDOWS. SO FARMINGTON HAS ANY DIGITAL AIRPORT HAS A COUPLE WANT TO I DIDN'T I DIDN'T MEAN THAT THAT WAY I'LL PLAYED CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS JUS ON THA NO BLOOMINGTON IS FOR BILLBOARDS AND ALL OF THEM ARE THAT YOU KNOW ALL NON ELECTRONIC VARIETY OKAY THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONERS THEHE LEGAL STATUS OF BILLBOARDS IS THAT ANYTHING IN EXISTENCE I THINK AS OF AUGUST OF 2009 I WANT TO SAY IS LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. IT CAN CONTINUE. IT CAN'T BE EXPANDED. SO EXPANSION WOULD MEAN THINGS LIKE ANYTHING THAT INCREASES THE HEIGHT, THE DEPTH RELOCATION OF THE SIGN WOULD HAVE TO COME CONFORMAN WITH CURRENT CE FOR BILLBOARD. SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS EXPANSION OR CHANGING TO DIGITAL WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE CAUSES AN INCREASE IN THE THICKNESS OF THE SIGNS. SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE CAPTURING THAT. TALK ABOUT BILLBOARDS LATER A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. I MEAN I'LL TOUCH I'LL TOUCH ON IT BRIEFLY. I MEAN I THINK THE THE MAIN ISSUE WITH ELECTRONIC SIGNS AND I'M NECESSARILY ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE FIRM GUIDANCE ON IT TONIGHT BUT I JUST THINK THAT JUST BE COGNIZANT THAT THIS IS A STICKING POINT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ROBUST PUBLIC ON THIS PARCULAR ISSUE. MY GUESS IS TO REDUCE IT BUT THAT'S MY THAT'S MY CRYSTAL BALL. YES. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT ABOUT LIKE SCROLLING TEXT THAT WOULD BE MOVEMENT AND IT'D BE PROHIBITED. YEAH. SO ANYTHING ANY TEXT OR IMAGERY THAT'S MOVING IT CAN'T IT CAN'T HAVE THOSE COMPONENTS TO IT AND THAT'S BOTH IN THE EXISTING AND THE NEW SIGN CODE AND IS THIS SET BACK FROM RESIDENTIAL SORRY OR IS THAT SPECIFIC TO LIKE R-1 OR IS THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL ALL RESIDENTIAL? YEAH. AND SO I'LL TOUCH QUICKLY O TH NIGHTTIME RESTRTION BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW AND AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THAT ORIENTATION STANDARD, WHAT WE THINK IS MORE APPROPRIATE IS THAT THE SIGN EITHER STAY STATIC BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CHANGING OF THE MESSAGES BECAUSE IT THROWS DIFFERENT LIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE IS THAT IT'S EITHER STATIC OR NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF BETWEEN DURING THOSE NIGHTTIME HOURS I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO COME UP EVER BUT IF IF SOMEBODY ON THEIR OFFICE BUILDING WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A NASDAQ TICKER THAT WOULD SCROLL THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SINGLING OUT SERVICE STATIONS WITH SERVICE STATIONS . IF YOU PUT A SIGN INSIDE OF YOUR BUILDING THAT'S FACING OUT THAT MAYBE IS MOVING OR IT'S LIT UP OR, I MEAN WOULD IT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE SAME STANDARDS? YEAH, THAT'S JEROME AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A NUANCED ISSUE BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE SIGNS DO WE HAVE A EXEMPT SIGN TYPE CALLED INDOOR? AND SO A LITTLE BIT IT BECOMES A JUDGMENT CALL IN TERMS OF WHAT IS VISIBLEROM THE PUBLICIGHT OF WAY AT LIKE A NORMAL ACUITY VISION AND SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF A TRICKY THAT'S ONE THAT'S HARD TO ENFORCE AGAINST IN SOME CASES. I KNOW WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE THERE'S A SIGN INSIDE THE BUILDING LIKE IN A WAYS THAT WAS MEANT TO BE VISIBLE WASN'T A BIG THING AND THERE ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE UP AGAINST THE GLASS AND ARE CLEARLY MEANT TO BE IF IT'S CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE THEN MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THESE STANRDS. YEAH. YEAH. MR. JOHNSON, I'M SORRY. NO. OKAY, LOOK, TRAFFIC SIGNS. HAVE YOU GUYS HAD ANY CONSIDERATION OF ? JUST A GENERAL BRIGHTNESS LIKE I DON'T KNOW THIS. YES. WOMEN'S OR WHAT WE HAVE WE DO HAVE A NET METER AND WE DO MEASURE BRIGHTNESS AND THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE DOES CAP THE BRIGHTNESS OF THESE SIGNS AT NIGHT. UM, I DIDN'T TOUCH WELL ON IT IN TERMS OF THE RANGE OF WHAT SEEING IN THE TWIN CITIES BUT I'VE SEEN CITIES WITH AS LOW OF DWELL TIMES AS 30 SECONDS AND AS HIGH AS 60 MINUTES. SO THAT IS THE RANGE THE REGULATORY RANGE THAT THIS ISSUE RESIDES IN CURRENTLY MORE OF THE CITIES HAVE A LOWE DWELL TIME THAN BLOOMINGTON THEN HIGHER THAN BLOOMINGTON. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE WRONG OR THEY'RE RIGHT. I'M JUST MORE AND IF IT'S HELPFUL I CAN PROVIDE AN TABULAR FORM KIND OF A MIX OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES I'VE STUDIED AT A LATER DATE. BUT YOU KNOW THE HARD PART AS I MENTIONED IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THE RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE HAS LANDED AT ANY ONE POINT BEYOND THE REASON WHY YOU SEE 8 SECONDS A LOT IS THAT THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION DID A STUDY AND THAT WAS KD OF THE FIRST MAJOR STANDARD THAT SET THIS LOOSE. I THINK IT WOULD BE WHEN YOU DO COME BACK AND YOU KNOW THE USUAL HANDFUL OF CITIES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE PUSH OURSELVES AGAINST THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN YOU GO BACK HAPPY TO DO THAT. OOPS. OKAY. I'M GOING TO TRY AND BLAZE THROUGH THESE LAST ONES AND, TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AND SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE THINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT BILLBOARDS ALREADY SIGNED LIGHTING THERE'S STANDARDS AND CODE THAT TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING LIT SIGNS WHEN CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL SITE THOSE STANDARDS RIGHT NOW THERE'S MULTIPLE DISTANCES IN OUR CODES OF COURSE IT'S NOT UNIFORM WE'RE JUST PROPOSING 100 FEET MAKE IT UNIFORM COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLANS. I TALKED ABOUT UNIFORM DESIGN DESIGNS THEY'RE CURRENTLY CALLED WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THAT AND RESTRICTED ONLY TO MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS BUT MAKE IT A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS. DON'T MAKE IT A MANDATORY PROCESS IF A PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE UNIFORMITY OF SIGN CONSTRUCTION OR THEY WANT TO DEDICATE MORE SIGN AREA TO AN ANCHOR TENANT VERSUS THEIR SMALLER TENANTS THEY CAN DO THAT THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLAN BUT AGAIN IT JUST GETS INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP WHETHER SOMETHING SHOULD BE MANDATORY OR DISCRETIONARY MASTER SIGN PLANS I MENTIONED THAT'S AN ALLOWANCE IN THE SOUTH LOOP WE WE STRONGLY SUPPORT CONTINUING THAT NONCONFORMING SIGNS THIS ORDINANCE WHATEVER IT'S IT GETS ADOPTED AND IS GOING TO CREATE NON-CONFORMITY AND SO WE DO HAVE CLEAR STANDARDS FOR WHAT IS MAINTENANCE WHAT IS EXPANSION WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS BUT ALSO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE AN ONGOING WORK WITH LEGAL AND I'M KIND OF GOING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES SAYING VARIANCES WE'RE PROPOSING TO CREATE A SPECIFIC VARIANCE SECTION FOR SIGNS THAT HAVE SIMILAR BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FINDINGS. I DIDN'T ABOUT REGULATED BUT EXEMPT AND TEMPORARY SIGNS THE REASON THAT WE CLEANED UP THE LEGAL ISSUES IN THOSE SECTIONS OF OUR EXISTING SIGN CODE BUT FRANKLY WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THOSE SECTIONS ARE ACTUALLY SERVING US PRETTY WELL. THE COUNTER THAT'S IN THE EXISTING CODE . SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS CODE REPRESENTS KIND OF CARRYING FORWARD A LOT OF THE SIZE SETBACKS AND THOSE ISSU BUT CLEANING U THE LEGAL ISSUES NEXT STEPS SO REVISIONS AND REFINEMENT WE'RE GOING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL AND FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THE FULL I TALKED ABOUT I KIND OF WANT TO HAVE A BIG PROCESS, EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS. IT HAS TO DEAL WITH ALL THOSE CROSS REFERENCES SO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO BE 35 PAGES. IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE LONGER THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND GROUPS LIKE NAP AND WHOEVER WANTS TO PROVIDE COMMENT THEY CTAINLY CAN OR OF COURSE WILL SHARE THOSE MATERIALS WITH YOU AND IF WE'RE READY WE'LL WORK TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THAT'S REALLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ON WHETHER WE'RE READY OR NOT. IF WE CAN MOVE QUICK AND MOVING QUICK WOULD LOOK LIKE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IF WE NEED TO MULL SOME OF THIS STUFF OVER MORE KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT OR YOU KNOW HIT PAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEN YOU KNOW THAT THE TIMELINE BEFORE YOU IS PROBABLY NOT CORRECT BUT THIS IS WT WE THINK IS WE'RE READY FOR THIS TIMELINE AS STAFF BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A COMPLEX REGULATORY DOCUMENT AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, DOES CALL FOR SOME PUBLIC CONSUMPTION AND BACK AND FORTH AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF THAT DONE IN DECEMBER . BUT WE COVERED A LOT OF IT AS WE WENT BUT WE CERTAINLY HAD TIME FOR MORE DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK. COMMISSIONER COOK THEN MR.. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT WAYFINDING SIGNAGE INTERNAL TO A SITE I SEEM TO REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS BEFORE WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMIION JUST WHEN I WAS A FAN NOT A PLAYER THAT SOME SORT OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY WANTED TO PUT SOME WAYFINDING SIGNAGE FOR TRUCK DRIVERS IN THEIR SITE AND OUR SIGN CODE WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT CAN YOU HELP REFRESH ME AND DESIGNER DO WE ADDRESS THAT AT ALL HERE WE DO THE EXISTING CODE HAS AND INCIDENTAL SIGNS WE DO HAVE DIRECTIONAL INCIDENTAL SIGNS AND THE NEW CODE TO THE GOOD NEWS IS IS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE THEM EXEMPT FROM PERMIT Y JUST HAVE TO MEETERTAIN SET REQUIREMENTS AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE CAPPED AT SIZE AND HEIGHT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I RECALL THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE BECAUSE. THEY WANTED A REDUCED SETBACK IN THAT INSTANCE IF IT'S THE PROPERTY I'M THINKING OF BUT YEAH I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE ISSUES OR CHALLENGES WITH MOVING IT TO A REGULATED BUT EXEMPT SIGN TYPE IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME INSTANCES WHERE MAYBE IT GETS INSTALLED IN THE WRONG PLACE? THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT THOUGH IS THAT OFTENTIMES THESE TYPES OF SIGNS ALSO A FOUNDATIONR SO THERE'S A BUILDING PERMIT THAT GETS FOR IT AND IF STAFF CAN BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER EFFECTIVELY THEN YOU KNOW, BUILDING STAFF TELLS PLANNING HEY THERE'S SOME SIGNS HERE YOU MIGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF CUT SOME OF THE REGULATORY PROCESS THAT WE FEEL IS EXTRANEOUS, NOT PROVIDING A LOT OF VALUE. DO WE CONFIRM ANYTHING ABOUT SIGN MAINTENANCE? IS THAT REALLY UP TO THE BUILDING OWNER AND NOTHING LOOKS WORSE THAN WHEN YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF LETTERS A OUT ON A HIGHWAY SIGN. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. SO TWO THINGS I DID CONFIRM WITH WE DO HAVE SOME MAINTENANCE IN CODE. WE HAVE MAINTENANCE SECTION. I FORGET WHAT NUMBER IT IS SO WE DO HAVE MAINTENANCE STANDARDS SIGNS DO HAVE TO BE KEPT IN GOOD. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE CITY ADOPTS INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY CODE SO THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CAN USE AS WELL AND THEN GETTING TO A MORE EXTREME LEVEL SAY YOU'VE GOT AN ABANDONED SIGN SO A SIGN WHERE IT'S JUST BEEN UP AND THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR TEN YEARS WE NOW HAVE A MORE CLEAROOL IN THIS DOCUMENT TO FORCE THEM TO REMOVE IT. SO YEAH LEGAL. COUNSEL YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A CIVIL FINE PROCESS. WE HAVE AN UNMAINTAINED SIGN, WE DO CIVIL FINES, YOU GET A SERIES OF NOTICES AFTER THAT WE COULD FIND YOU. THEN YOUR OPTION IS TO EITHER PAY THE FINE OR COME IN AND MEET WITH MYSELF OR ANOTHER STAFF IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND HOW YOU CAN FIX IT. I ALSO PLAN TO PUT AN UNMAINTAINED SIGN IN CHTER 12 AS A NUISANCE CONDITION SO THAT WOULD GIVE THE CITY THE RIGHT TO ABATE IT TOO SO THE CITY COULD COME TAKE IT DOWN ANOTHER NOTICE IF THEY DON'T DO IT AND THEN ASSESS CHARGE BACK TO THE PROPERTY SO WE COULD DO THAT TOO. THAT'S THAT'S ON THE TABLE BUT I'D SAY MOST VIOLATIONS WE DO BY FINES SO MOST TIMES WE GET COMPLIANCE AFTER ONE NOTICE OR A COUPLE IF WE HAVE TO FIND ON SIGNS AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THAT CHAPTER 12 AND THAT'S HOW COMPLEX ALL THIS STUFF YEAH AND EVERY CHAPTER OF THIS BUT I THINK IT'S ONE THOSE LIKE PPERTY CONDITIONS THAT YOU'D WANT AN A LIST TO BE ABATED SIMILAR TO LIKE EXTERIOR STORAGE OR OTHER NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS. SO YEAH YEAH SO STRETCHING IT BEYOND 19 AND 21 NOW I KNOW SOME TEN AND SOMETIMES 16 WHERE GAMES THOSE ARE AWAY GAMES I THINK FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. SO I THINK YOU HAD TO ADDRESS THERE WAS SOME CLEANUP THAT WAS MADE REGARDING THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING NOTABLE WE SHOULDNOW ABOUT TT? ANHING THAT MIGHT COME UP IN A HEARING OR SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT GO AHEAD. YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY I'M TRYING TO THINK OF YOU KNOW, ASTUTE OBSERVERS MIGHT KNOW THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF SUPREME COURT CASES ON SIGNAGE THE PAST EIGHT YEARS OR SO. SO WE TRIED TO GET LIKE A LOT OF SIGN ORDINANCES THAT DEFINED SIGNS BY WHAT WAS ON THEM. YOU CAN'T THAT THAT'S A NO NO THE SUPREME COURT SAID WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO PART OF MY WORK IN THIS WAS TO GO IN AND AND REMOVE ALL THOSE AND W SIGNS ABOUT THEIR LOCATION HOW BIG THEY ARE PROPERTY YOU KNOW NOT BY WHAT'S ON THEM ANYMORE. SO THAT WAS A BIG THING. YEAH. ANY TIME YOU HAVE CONTENT RESTRICTIONS AND A FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE COMES UP THE COURT'S GOING TO PROBABLY STRIKE IT DOWN SO WE HAD TO BE CAREFUL THERE. THE OTHER THING TREATING SPEECH ON THE SAME FOOTING OTHER SPEECH SO ESPECIALLY NONCOMMERCIAL SO SAY HAD A PERMIT FOR SOME TYPE OF NONCOMMERCIAL SPEECH BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR OTHER TYPE. THAT'S PROBLEM TOO. SO TREATG NONCOMMERCIALHE SAME. SO THOSE ARE LIKE THE TWO BIG LEGAL ISSUES WE WERE LOOKING AT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE READY OBVIOUSLY AND HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE SO CAN SOMEONE MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT COVERED SOMETHING ELSE SO FOLKS HAVE GO I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS HAVE BEEN TON OF WORK SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER IT'S I KNOW IT'S THANK YOU IT'S TEDIOUS AND APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU'VE GOT TO THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED? WELL, ABSENT ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN I JUST I THINK IN READING THROUGH THE DRAFT SIGN CODE THINK WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET A GENERAL FEELING OR MESSAGE FROM IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE READY TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD. I THINK I THINK WE ARE BUT I HAVING I FEEL I THINK I WOULD I WOULD ASK HAVING READ THE MATERIALS THAT WERE MADE AILABLE TO U IF ANYONE HAS ANY RESERVATION WITH THE PROPOSED TIMEFRAME I DON'T AS LONG AS AGAIN WHEN WE KNOW THIS IS THE CHALLENGE WE ALWAYS FACE IS GETTING PEOPLE TO BE ENGAGED RIGHT BUT I THINK THE STAFF KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER ON. SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET THE WORK DONE AND THEN WE CAN GIVE PEOPLE THE TIME TO BE ENGAGED IN THE FINAL PRODUCT, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIMELINE. YEAH. CHAIR IF I MAY SAY I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ENGAGED AND I WOULD ALSO SAY UNLIKE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WHERE YOU HAVE AN AGENCY ACTION TIMELINE ISSUE TO DEAL WITH EVEN IF YOU DO GO TO SCHEDULE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE AS BEING THE APPLICANT ISN'T TIED TO ANY SPECIFIC DEADLINE SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. WELL THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS WE HAVE TWO MEETING SYNOPSES HAVE SEPTEMBER 14TH AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ALL WERE HERE SO ENTERTAIN THEM ACTUALLY. LET ME SEE IF WE'RE NOT ALL HERE. SO YOU'RE ALL HERE ON THE 14TH SO I DIDN'T ATTEND A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT SYNOPSIS FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH AS DEFINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I CAN THANK YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND ANY DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I PROPOSED MOTION PASSES SEPTEMBER EIGHT OUR PRESIDENT EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER COOKED AN ENTIRE MOTION MOVED AND MOVED TO APPROVE THE DRAFT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM SEPTEMBER 28TH 2023 AS PRESENTED TUCKER WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I OPPOSED ABSTAIN ABSTAIN MOTION PASSES ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH YOU MAY REMEMBER AT OUR LAST MEETING WE REALIZE THAT TWO YEARS AGO OR SO WE INTENDED TO HAVE A A CURFEW AND WE REALIZED THAT THAT DID NOT MAKE IT IN . SO I WILL ASK THE PLANK IF HE HAS ANYTHING MORE OTHER THAN HERE'S THE DRAFT LANGUAGE. YEAH, THE GERMAN COMMISSIONERS THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THERE'S THE DRAFT LANGUAGE WHAT IT IS IS STRAIGHT CUT AND PASTE OUT OF THE CITY COUNCIL RULES. SO THIS IS THE EXACT LANGUAGE JUST SUBSTITUTING THE NAME COMMISSION FOR CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THE IDEA THUMBS UP DO WE A MOTION TO WE DO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE HAD ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GOT THERE SO YES THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. MR.. MR CHAIRES, I MOVED TO AMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE AS SHOWN IN THE PACKET SECOND MOTION A SECOND TO AMEND OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES AND THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE AT THE NEXT MEETING TOMORROW WHEN TECHNICALLY WE HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL THEIR SIGNOFF SO WE'LL PUT IT ON THERE NEXT CONCERNED AGENDA I DON'T ENVISION ANY PROBLEMS ARE NOT A PROBLEM IT REALLY IT WAS ALWAYS YOURREROGATIVE TOO THAT I YOU WANTE TO YOU RUN THE MEETING SURE YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS IN SECRET EVEN THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT BUT YEAH YEAH THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO IF IT'LL BE AT THEIR CONSENT ON THE 27TH AND THAT WOULD IMPLY IT WOULD BE IN FORCE ON THE 30TH WELL WE'LL WAIT AND FIND OUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS THE 2024 PROPOSED COMMISSION SCHEDULE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR WHAT WE USUALLY SEE BUT I'LL ASK THE PLANNING MANAGER TO PROVIDE SOME DETAIL TO CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS A LITTLE BACKGROUND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 2023, THERE IS SOME DEBATE ON SHOULD THERE BE 24 MEETINGS PER YEAR, 28 MEETINGS PER YEAR. WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT AND KIND OF COMPROMISE ON 26 SO OF THOSE 26 MEETINGS FOUR HAVE BEEN CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF ITEMS AND WE THINK WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THAT WILL BE CANCELED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR OF FIVE MEETINGS. I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER OF CANCELED IN 2022 AS WELL. SO FOR 2024 WHAT WRE LOOKING AT IS 24 MEETINGS AND THEN WE'VE GIVEN YOU TWO OPTIONAL DATES IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE 26 WE CAN INCLUDE THAT THE PROPOSED MEETING DID SHOW UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IN YELLOW. THIS IS OVERLAID ON TOP OF THE CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULE SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS INTERRELATE WITH THE COUNCIL MEETINGS SOME CONSIDERATIONS WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS AVOID HOLIDAYS IS OF COURSE SCHOOL DISTRICT CONFERENCE DATES SO SPRING, SPRING AND FALL BREAKS AND THEN THE NATIONAL AND STATE EPA CONFERENCE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION WE DO NOT KNOW THE DATES OF THE STATE CONFERENCE YET AND I MADE AN ERROR HERE ON THE NATIONAL I GOOGLED THOSE DATES AND IT TURNED OUT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE DATES THAT ARE ONLINE CONFERENCE WOULD TAKE PLACE THE ACTUAL DATES ARE THE 13TH THROUGH THE 16TH OF APRIL SO THAT DOES NOT IMPACT ANY PROPOSED MEETING. BUT WHAT THAT MAY DO IT FREES UP THE NINTH RATHER THAN THE SECOND WHICH TRACKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO A COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT MAY INFLUENCE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN MAY GENERALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TARGET 11 DAYS BETWEEN A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT ALLOWS US TO TURN IT AROUND AS QUICK AS PSIBLE. IF WE HAVE FOUR DAYS BETWEEN THE MEETINGS THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GET THAT ITEM FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THE PACKETS ALREADY GONE OUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL PACKET HAS GONE OUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS DONE. SO I GUESS MAYBE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT. WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO EACH MONTH AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE TWO OPTIONAL DATES WHICH SHOW HERE IN IN PINK AND THEN WE AS I SAID YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE MAY 2ND AND MAY 9TH JUST TO TRACK A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS THOUGHTS QUESTIONNAIRE. SINGLETON YEAH. SO LOOKING AT THE OPTIONAL DATES I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THE MEETINGS TO TWO AT LEAST DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS JUNE, JULY AUGUST BECAUSE I KNO A L OF PEOP ARE OUT OF TOWNO IF WE COULD JUST SWING THAT 27 OPTIONAL TO I'M JUST LOOKING HERE POTENTIALLY LIKE OCTOBER 24TH OR OPTIONAL OF DOING THE OPTIONAL QUESTION I MEAN INTERRUPT YOU AS DO YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 26 MEETINGS? NO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE OPTIONAL QUESTION IS. IF IF WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A 26 OR A 24. MR. COOK THEN MR. CHAIR, I DID WANT TO ASK STAFF OCTOBER WE HAVE THREE THURSDAYS IN A ROW WITHOUT A MEETING. THERE WAS THAT INTENTIONAL AND JEROME AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN SO THAT 17TH OF OCTOBER BECAUSE IT'S THE MTA SCHOOL WOULD TRADITIONALLY AVOID THAT WEEK SO CERTAINLY 24T OR 31S WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR A MEETING. UNFORTUNATELY LOOKING AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS IN THEIR FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN NOVEMBER THE 18TH SO NOVEMBER 7TH STRIKES PERFECTLY TO THAT MEETING IF WE DID DO A MEETING ON THAT 24TH OF 31ST THEY WOULD ALSO DRAG TO NOVEMBER 18TH A DATE FOR ME. YEAH, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE 24TH BUT NOT THE 31ST THE 31ST W HALLOWE SPOOKY. YEAH I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME OBSERVATION THAT YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE DON'T GO MORE THAN TWO WEEKS WITHOUT A MEETING AND I'M GUESSING THE REASON THE COUNCIL DOESN'T MEET IS BECAUSE OF VETERANS DAY ON THE 11TH YES. VETERANS DAY ON THE 11TH AND TRADITIONALLY THEY DON'T MEET THE NIGHT BEFORE ELECTION WHICH WOULD BE THE FOURTH. SO I YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING THE 24TH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE I KNOW WE WENT TO 26 AND WE AT ONE POINT WHERE WE HAVEIKE 30 AT ONE POINT BACK IN THE OLD DAYS MAYBE WE DIDN'T IT FELT LIKE IT WAS THE PEAK. I'M FINE WITH 24 I THINK TWO A MONTH IS FINE UNLESS PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. COMMISSIONER COOK THEN I THINK LAST YEAR THE DISCUSSION WAS IT'S IT'S MORE ABOUT PROVIDING FLEXIBILITY TO APPLICANTS AND SO THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE COME BEFORE US IS GOING TO BE SAME AND SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE. WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS ALLOWING APPLICANTS FLEXIBILITY TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER. SO WE'RE JUST BEING A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BY HAVING MORE OPTIONS SO. EILEEN 26 BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DIE ON THAT SWORD. I DO LIKE IF FOR NO OTHER REASON MEETING ANOTHER TIME IN OCTOBER BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT THAT NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING COULD BE VERY LONG AND THEN THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR IT'S NOT GOOD FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE APPLICANTS. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MEENG ON OCTOBER 24TH AND THE OTHER OPINION ON HER NOT NOT THE JUNE OPTION TO DO WE WANT TO ADD ONE ON FEBRUARY TWO WE WANT TO BE GOOD WITH 25 ROCK PAPER SCISSORS. I'M LITERALLY JUST FOLLOWING WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER IF YOU WERE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BETWEENHICH TWO DATES DOI THE FEBRUARY 22ND OR NOT DOING FEBRUARY 22ND? WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON THE BOOKS FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE 24 MEETINGS YOU KNOW WITH CANCELING MEETINGS I DON'T KNOW THAT ADDS A LOT OF VALUE. SO I THINK WE HEARD ABOUT ADDING OCTOBER 24TH AND THEN NOT ADDING TWO PINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING WOULDN'T THAT BE 25 THAT WOULD I'M IN FAVOR OF THA. SO AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD MAY 2ND VERSUS MAY 9TH OH I MAY 9TH WOULD LINE UP PERFECTLY WITH A COUNCIL MEETING THAT'S A GOOD GOOD MOVE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION IF ANYBODY'S COOKED AND WE HAVE TO MODIFY THAT. YEAH, PLEASE. IF I COULD JUST HAVE A SECOND . OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I MOVED TO ADOPT THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE AS ATTACHED TO THE MEETING PACKET WITH MODIFICATIONS OF MOVING THE MAY MEETING TO MAY 9TH ADDING A MEETING ON OCTOBER 24TH AND NOT MEETING ON FEBRUARY 22ND AND JUNE 27TH WELL THE SECOND WELL SAID ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR? I AM OPPOSED THE CALENDAR IS ADOPTED AND WE'LL GET A CLEAN VERSION OF THAT FOR US AT OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE MEETING AFTERHAT FOLKS SLOP IT INTO THEIR PERSONAL CALENDARS OR AT LEAST SOME OF US THROUGH THE END OF JUNE BY ITEM NUMBER NINE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE MY MANAGER MARK GUIDE TO ROHMAN COMMISSIONERS LOOKING TWO WEEKS OUT NOVEMBER 30TH TWO ITEMS WE HAVE ON THAT AGENDA ARE THE TWO THAT WERE CONTINUED YOUR LAST MEETING THE JEFFERSON KENNEDY STADIUMS THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND THEN DECEMBER SEVENTH WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SO UNLESS SOMETHING WERE CONTINUED TO THAT THOSE THAT WOULD WOULD BE CANCELED AND THEN DECEMBER 21ST WE HAVE TWO ITEMS SCHEDULED A VARIANCE A LOT WITH VARIANCE 9946 MAPLE AVENUE SOUTH AND THEN AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW APARTMENT BLDING 201 UNITS AND AN 11,000 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE IN A SEPARATE DETACHED BUILDING AT. 6701 WAS 78TH STREET. THAT'S WHAT'S COMING UP GOOD. MR. COOK THEN MR. MARK OCCURRED IS THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN DID WE ALREADY SEE THAT AND I'M NOT REMEMBERING OR THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD IS WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE INPUT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE WORK PLAN? YES JEROEN VERY GOOD POINT. THATILL ALSO B ON DECEMR 21ST. WE DID ABOUT THAT TODAY BUT HAVEN'T YET PUT IT IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WOULD BE DECEMBER 21ST AS WELL. AND WHEN DOES THAT GO TO COUNCIL? YEAH, OUR HOPE WOULD BE AT THE COUNCIL'S HAVING AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING ON THE 2ND OF JANUARY IT'S ACTUALLY A TUESDAY SO WE WOULD TARGET THE MEETING AFTER THAT AND I FORGETTING THE EXACT DATE BUT I'M SURE THE SECOND JANRY MEETINGS ON THA AND SO MY LIKE MY QUESTION AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF IS OUR COMMISSION SOMETIMES IS OPERATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE COMMISSIONERS JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS THAT COMES TO US. BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A IF IT'S HELPFUL FOR YOU TO HAVE THE SENSE OF THE COMMISSION AND IF THERE ARE THINGS ON THEIR MIND BEFORE YOU HAVE A DRAFT OR WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A DRAFT OR IF THE COMMISSIONAS A PERSPECTIVE ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MEETING ON THE 30TH IF THAT'S LOGICAL OR IF IT'S BUT WAIT SO WE HAVE SOMETHINGN THE 21ST AND THEN GO FROM THERE? I DON'T BUT THAT WAS ON MY LIST AS WELL. WHEN DO YOU WANT WORK INPUT ON THE WORKPLAN AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT WE CAN ADD AN ITEM YOU'D LIKE TO WE WOULDN'T HAVE KIND OF EVERYTHING ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BUT IF WE WOULD JUST WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THE COMMISSION'S MIND, I THINK THEN THE STAFF CAN TAKE THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND HELP INFORM YOUR DOCUMENT 21ST. I THINK PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE THAT QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PROMPTED. IOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A PLUG FOR THE SOUTH LOOP DEVELOPMENT TO BE ADDRESSED IN 2024. WE WILL ADD THAT TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD ON THE 30TH FOR US TO GIVES US SOME IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO GIVE THE STAFF A FEW WEEKS TO THINK ABOUT AS THEY'RE FORMING THEIR PLAN THAT WOULD BE GREAT. NOTHING WRONG WITH BRINGING IT UP TONIGHT BUT I THINK THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE AND SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT EVERY DOES THEIR WORK PLANNING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND AGAIN SOME OF US THAT OUR OUR OUR COMMISSION IS A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMISSION THAN MOST OF THE OTHERS AND SO THAT BY ITS IS GOING TO DRIVE SOME OF WHAT WE DO AND DON'T DO. BUT I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE JUST GET TO DECIDE THIS TO OTHER DOESN'T COMPLY THAT WE WE DON'T GET TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THE FUN THINGS AND SO ANOTHER THAT CAN BE RIVETING BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THIS GROUP A INTERTED IN OTHER THINGS TOO AND IT'S GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS WE DID HAVE INTERVIEWS LAST THURSDAY FOR A VACANCY ON THE COMMISSION AND I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THEIR ACTION AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY APPOINT ANYONE THEY WISH ON THE 27TH. SO WHETHER THAT PERSON WILL BE WITH ON THE 30TH OR NOT TILL THE 21ST WILL DEPEND ON WHO THE COUNCIL POINTS AND WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY IS B THEY COULD START AS SOON AS THE 30TH SO THAT WE WILL BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN. OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS ISSUE POLICY ISSUE UPDATE NO WELL SEEING NONE WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL NOVEMBER 30TH